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00:04:23.000First of all, it's sad and depressing and disgusting, but it's also very tricky because there's all these weird biases that are going on left and right.
00:04:35.000The United States has this weird bias where they're criticizing Israel, and then Israel's like, hey, fuckheads, didn't you guys bomb the shit out of Iraq?
00:04:44.000Didn't you bomb the shit out of Afghanistan?
00:04:46.000You guys are talking about innocent civilians being killed?
00:04:50.000And then there's also people on the Palestinian side that think it's just fucking horrendous what Israel's doing.
00:04:57.000And then there's people on the Israeli side that think Hamas should just sign the peace treaty and stop training suicide bombers.
00:05:04.000You know, in my opinion, when I look at it, and I'm obviously not qualified to be some sort of a political analyst, but when I look at it, I try to look at it objectively.
00:05:15.000The whole thing looks like just a disaster, like a huge humanitarian disaster.
00:05:21.000I think it's one of the largest humanitarian issues in the world today, and I think that we're going to look back in 50 years and really just criticize how abominable the entire situation is and the fact that the world isn't turning a blind eye.
00:05:37.000You know, you say that I took a controversial position, but really, it isn't controversial in my mind because I'm looking at this oppressed population that's imprisoned.
00:05:46.000When I grew up, Joe, I didn't even know, first of all, what Palestine was.
00:05:50.000And then finally, when I learned about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, even though it's really one-sided, I started to learn about what Gaza actually is.
00:05:57.000And I think a lot of people don't even understand, when they hear the word Gaza, what they're talking about.
00:06:02.000It's really what we're talking about as an open-air prison system.
00:06:20.000There's 1.8 million people living in that close quarters.
00:06:24.000It's one of the most densely populated places on Earth.
00:06:26.000So whenever you have this bombing campaign, People are gonna die in mass.
00:06:31.000And when they say that they're using human shields, that's complete fucking bullshit.
00:06:35.000I haven't seen one shred of evidence to prove that they're using human shields.
00:06:38.000In fact, if you look back at the last 60 years of US military conflicts, they've used that term to demonize populations whenever they want to make it seem like this population doesn't value human life.
00:06:50.000You're telling me Palestinians don't value their child's life?
00:06:52.000They're gonna throw their kids out and guard missiles?
00:06:55.000All I've seen is cartoons from Netanyahu, these infographics that show people standing on a house with missiles underneath.
00:07:35.000There was a documentary once on suicide bombings and they had this Palestinian school and they had this sign over the school that said, today's children are tomorrow's holy martyrs.
00:07:45.000And they had this child that was strapped up with C4 and they had this picture of this kid that had died in a suicide bombing.
00:07:52.000And they were praising him like he was some sort of a saint.
00:07:58.000Because he died executing this suicide bomb.
00:08:02.000We praise soldiers who go and drop white phosphorus from a plane.
00:09:23.000It's not that they're, like, ignoring Israel.
00:09:27.000And, of course, there's a lot of problems with Hamas, and I'm not going to sit here and apologize for them.
00:09:31.000I don't agree with anything that they want to see happen.
00:09:35.000But I understand why Palestinians have aligned themselves with this group because the Palestinian Authority failed so much and they capitulated so much to Israel.
00:09:43.000So they basically turned to the more militant faction of the leadership saying, fucking do something.
00:09:48.000At least you guys are resisting because to them it's an occupation and under the UN charter it's an occupation as well.
00:09:54.000A lot of people say the one state solution is the only possibility, which is end the apartheid state, give Palestinians equal rights, because right now there's different laws.
00:10:03.000If you're Arab, that's what Israel is.
00:10:05.000It's a Jewish state and they've driven out people who are not Jewish and they're ethnically cleansing them.
00:10:13.000And I don't actually blame Israelis because you're growing up in Israel.
00:10:17.000First of all, they think that they're the chosen people because the Bible says so, which is disturbing in itself.
00:10:23.000But second of all, if you're growing up in Israel and you do hear the sirens all the time and you fucking think you're being told that these people are terrorists and they want to kill you.
00:11:07.000I mean, I guess if you call yourself the news, there's a responsibility, at least an implied responsibility, to educate when it comes to a situation like this.
00:11:18.000But to try to cover it on Fox News or on CNN and to try to give an understanding to the people viewing, it seems almost impossible.
00:11:28.000But they also just only do pro-Israel bias.
00:11:31.000That's why I did that video, Why Doesn't the Media Care About Dead Palestinians?
00:11:34.000Because there were hundreds of Palestinians that had died already and the news was still making it seem like...
00:11:40.000Like literally every single headline was just like three Israeli soldiers died, 400 others.
00:12:26.000I've never seen anything so disgusting in my life than the bias toward Israel on the media.
00:12:31.000And I know I'm called so many names because I'm pointing this out, but to me, it's very obvious.
00:12:37.000My friend right here, she's from South Africa.
00:12:39.000She grew up in a culture of post-apartheid, and we're living in a world where an apartheid state exists right now.
00:12:47.000And because of this tight allegiance with the U.S., the U.S. supplies over $3 billion a year in just weaponry.
00:12:53.000We're continuing to give more weapons to Israel.
00:12:55.000Unless the U.S. says something, nothing's going to change.
00:12:59.000And because it's this Jewish state, if you criticize it, then you must hate Jewish people.
00:13:04.000And that's the problem is this rhetoric.
00:13:06.000And it's so hard to break through and to explain to people, look, because I'm criticizing a government doesn't mean that I hate a population.
00:13:17.000Well, there's also this undeniable problem with having an area like that.
00:13:23.000And what the problem is, is that there are going to be children that are born in that area that have no history of conflict whatsoever, and they're fucked.
00:13:39.000And there's no chance to break that cycle.
00:13:42.000In that sort of a scenario, if you have a closed border, you have a closed-in population, and you have this demonized population, There's no chance to break that struggle.
00:13:51.000I mean, if you're a child and you're born in Palestine, what the fuck are the options?
00:13:57.000And what are the ideologies that you're confronted with constantly, left and right?
00:14:01.000You've got Hamas, you've got all these Palestinian organizations that want to fight against Israel.
00:14:08.000And, you know, you're growing up in this state of perpetual conflict.
00:14:12.000It doesn't seem like there's any resolution that's conceivable.
00:14:16.000It's a terrible, terrible tragedy as far as, like, the wasted human potential of the children that are born there, the people that are forced to grow up in that environment, as opposed to Israel, where they could just fucking fly out and leave and live there.
00:14:46.000I think the only time the military should ever be used is when there's an obvious threat.
00:14:50.000You've got some ISIS crazy fucks or something that are invading a country and having mass executions.
00:14:56.000Like what we're dealing with right now in Iraq...
00:14:59.000That, to me, is a way clearer example of something that probably needs some fucking military attention than anything that they use to justify going to war with Iraq in the first place.
00:15:09.000Like, what they've created in this vacuum is way scary.
00:15:18.000What you fuckers did is you created a problem.
00:15:21.000You created a power vacuum and now there's a real problem because now you've got militants who are so militant that regular Islam is not militant enough for them.
00:15:31.000These fuckers are blowing up like these historic sites.
00:15:34.000They got training from the Syrian rebels that we gave them.
00:15:37.000So it's like we embolden the Syrian rebels that were aligned with this really radical faction of Islam and then they join up with ISIS and now they're going back to fucking Iraq and you're like, what in the hell?
00:15:46.000This is why we shouldn't get involved!
00:15:48.000This is why we shouldn't go inject democracy in places that are completely on a different evolutionary path of, you know, culture.
00:15:53.000Duncan and I had dinner last night after the show and we were talking about this and we were both shaking our head.
00:15:58.000And one of the things that we kept coming to is whenever you have military action, whenever you kill a thousand people, you don't just kill a thousand people.
00:16:18.000As long as those people are alive, this cycle is just ingrained in them on both sides, on the Israeli side, on the Palestinian side.
00:16:26.000It's just horrific and it's almost like this process that's impossible to completely stop.
00:16:32.000Like once the blood is shed, like fuck man, it creates this unfixable problem.
00:16:41.000I see it in a—okay, so we created this Jewish state.
00:16:45.000The U.S. helped create this Jewish state, Israel.
00:16:48.000Then there was, you know, the Antifadas, and then they had their borders.
00:16:51.000And basically what's happened is that Israel has continued to encroach.
00:16:55.000And if you look at the map, there's like this map, this very famous picture of these four factions of how Israel has encroached more and more in Palestine.
00:17:03.000And now it just closed off more and more.
00:17:08.000The West Bank has shrunk to about this big.
00:17:10.000And they continue to build settlements against international law.
00:17:15.000They've violated all of these international treaties to continue doing this because more and more settlers are going over there and making a home base.
00:18:00.000And no one wants to talk about how if you have a helpless population under Section 51 under the UN Charter, that if you're getting fucking peddled with industrial warfare and you don't have an army and you're a helpless population being occupied, you do have the right to defend yourself.
00:18:16.000That's the UN! I'm not- I abhor violence on either side, and I completely condemn shooting rockets into civilian populations and trying to kill people.
00:18:26.000But I do understand the resistance movement, and I do understand people aligning with Hamas because, look, they're under fucking siege.
00:18:33.000And if I didn't have basic amenities, and if I saw my home, like, my neighbor's homes getting demolished all my life, and if I fucking saw people getting shot and beat the shit out of all my Palestinian friends here who have left Palestine over the years, Their stories are just unbelievable.
00:18:49.000One of them's brother was beaten to death by the IDF when he was 16 because he threw a stone.
00:18:54.000The other one lost six family members and one bombing.
00:18:57.000And I'm just like, how the fuck do you guys go on?
00:19:01.000And they're like, just surviving is our resistance.
00:20:25.000Semester after semester, discussing the Middle East conflict as if it were the most complex conflict in the world, when in fact it's probably the easiest conflict in the world to describe.
00:20:36.000It may be the hardest to solve, But it really is the easiest to describe.
00:20:42.000And really, in a nutshell, this is what it is.
00:20:45.000Israel would like to exist and recognizes the right of the Palestinians to have a state.
00:20:50.000The Palestinians, however, and many other Muslims and Arabs do not recognize the right of a Jewish state of Israel to exist.
00:20:58.000Every poll among Palestinians shows that the majority of Palestinians want there to be no Jewish state of Israel, doesn't believe that it should exist, or had any basis for being.
00:21:10.000And this has been true since 1948, when the British left and the UN established A division.
00:21:17.000Palestine will be cut in half, a Jewish half, and an Arab half.
00:21:21.000The Jews accepted it, the Arabs didn't accept it, and what happened?
00:21:24.000The moment it was announced, Arab armies, about seven Arab armies, attacked the Jewish state in order to destroy it.
00:21:31.000To everybody's surprise, the little Jewish state survived, and that was pretty much it.
00:21:36.000And then it happened again in 1967 when the dictator of Egypt, Gamal Abdel Nasser, said we are now going to extinguish the Jewish state of Israel.
00:21:45.000And Jordan joined him and Syria joined him, but Israel attacked first and so Israel survived.
00:21:52.000And that is how Israel, and only that way, came to occupy what was called the West Bank of Jordan, where many Palestinians lived, because many Palestinians lived in that part of Jordan.
00:22:05.000So the war was over in 1967, and what did the Arabs do?
00:22:08.000The Arab states all went to Khartoum, Sudan, and announced no recognition, no peace, and no negotiations.
00:22:20.000Then Israel made an agreement to give the entire Sinai Peninsula an area of land bigger than Israel with oil back to Egypt because they said they would make peace with Israel.
00:22:31.000Israel gives territory back for peace and it will always do that.
00:22:35.000But is there really a desire for peace on the part of Israel's enemies, which broadcast after broadcast on TV and radio in the Palestinian areas is about how Jews should be killed and how Allah wants Jews to be killed?
00:22:51.000That's the typical broadcast on Palestinian television.
00:22:56.000It's not hard to explain the Middle East dispute.
00:23:17.000Now here is one of the most important things nobody talks about.
00:23:20.000Everybody talks about a Palestinian state.
00:23:23.000Why didn't anybody talk about a Palestinian state while the Palestinians lived under Jordanian rule?
00:23:29.000Because the truth is, people started talking about a Palestinian state once the Palestinians were under Israeli rule because it was always a way to destroy the Jewish state of Israel.
00:23:40.000And I say Jewish state because that's what it is.
00:23:43.000There are many, many Arab states, but there is only one Jewish state.
00:23:55.000And yet, if a Martian came to the Earth and they visited the United Nations or they read the world's newspapers or watched world television, they would believe that the biggest problem on Earth is a state the size of New Jersey and El Salvador, this state of Israel.
00:24:11.000This preoccupation with a little democratic, humane state is absolutely irrational.
00:24:17.000And here's another question to be asked.
00:24:20.000If Israel tomorrow put down its arms and said, we will fight no more, what would happen?
00:24:25.000If the Arab countries around Israel said, we will fight no more, we put down our arms, what would happen?
00:24:31.000In the first case, there would be an immediate destruction of the state of Israel, with mass murder of the Jews of Israel.
00:24:38.000In the second scenario I presented, where the Arabs put down their arms and said, we just want peace, there would be peace the next Wednesday.
00:24:47.000The fact is, as I said at the outset, it is a very simple problem to describe.
00:25:02.000There has never been, never in the history of the world, a state in that area, in what is called geographically Palestine, that was not Jewish.
00:25:13.000Israel is the third autonomous Jewish state to exist in that area.
00:25:19.000There was never an autonomous Arab state.
00:25:21.000There was never an autonomous Muslim state.
00:25:24.000There was never an autonomous any other state.
00:25:55.000Yeah, you have an Islamic state, Iran, but are you going to really compare the fucking two if you're claiming that Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East?
00:26:01.000Are you really comparing yourself to Iran and all these other, like...
00:26:04.000I mean, it's just amazing that he just said that.
00:27:06.000And of course, you just hear that repeated ad nauseum, no matter what.
00:27:10.000One other thing that's just really ridiculous is this other Israeli cabinet official just said that Palestinians are committing self genocide.
00:27:17.000That every time a Palestinian child dies, it's because they're killing themselves.
00:27:21.000I guess there must be rockets inside of these children, because I haven't seen any evidence whatsoever.
00:27:26.000All the homes that they're blowing up, where are these rocket command centers?
00:27:29.000I just want to see fucking evidence that's not a cartoon.
00:27:32.000Well, Prager's, his point of view is very simplified, very simplistic and biased, obviously.
00:27:40.000You know, the whole take, like, it's very simple.
00:28:07.000If you're an old man and you think religion's a good idea, good on you, buddy.
00:28:10.000Keep rocking that shit until your fucking body stops working.
00:28:14.000But for us, for the young folks that are out here that are sort of paying attention to the way things have run on this planet...
00:28:20.000In this idiotic, cyclical manner from the beginning of time.
00:28:25.000From the beginning, the first fucking dude wrote shit down and decided to tell the other guys that God wrote it or God told them to write it.
00:28:33.000This idea that the religious state should be allowed to exist, the idea of a religious state is ridiculous.
00:28:42.000It's ridiculous whether it's a state of Scientology, whether it's the Moonies have their own fucking country, like any country that is based on religion.
00:28:54.000And I know we're supposed to have religious freedom, and I agree with that.
00:28:58.000I agree that you should fucking, you should be able to worship the spaghetti monster, you should be able to do whatever you want, but when you have an entire state that believes it's the chosen people, And they're connected to this other state that they have sort of boxed into this 45-mile strip.
00:29:16.000I mean, objectively, stand outside of the situation.
00:29:21.000What are those poor people supposed to do?
00:29:24.000Look, I am not discounting this idea that Hamas is a terrorist organization, because they obviously are.
00:29:32.000But how does a terrorist organization start out?
00:29:35.000It's like one of the things that happened during September 11th that drove me fucking bananas, when George Bush was like, they hate us for our freedom, you know?
00:31:30.000People love to hate people, regardless.
00:31:33.000And when the media is amplifying that hate and telling you more reasons why you should hate, it's the same logic.
00:31:39.000Okay, so Hamas is the democratically elected leadership of the Gaza Strip.
00:31:43.000And the reason is because of what I said before is that they're aligning more with this militant faction because they are trying to resist this occupation and ongoing siege.
00:31:51.000I disagree with Hamas's All of what they stand for, but I understand the evolution of how this happened.
00:31:57.000But it's the same logic as saying all Palestinians deserve to die because they elected Hamas.
00:32:42.000But the dehumanization of populations, my brother, Robbie Martin, he does journalism for Mediaroots.org, which is my other citizen journalism website, but we just published this article about the history of the term human shield, and it is really incredible because you look back at even World War II,
00:32:58.000Japan, the Viet Cong, we all use this terminology, and there's really little evidence to ever back it up, and it always is when the establishment wants to paint a population as having little value to human life.
00:33:10.000Even Bin Laden using his wives as human shields when we raided the compound, that turned out to be a lie.
00:33:16.000The Taliban, they said that they used people as human shields shooting from civilian areas.
00:33:21.000All of this never really has been proven, but when you repeat it more and more and more and more, people just say, oh, well, they're using their kids as human shields.
00:33:29.000What are we supposed to do when we go in there and bomb them?
00:33:31.000It's not our fault that the kids are dying.
00:33:38.000Actually, so the CIA has this giant document on human shields and Saddam's use of human shields.
00:33:42.000And Bush actually fucking had the audacity to go out on TV and say, just to warn you, there's going to be mass casualties when we invade Iraq.
00:33:49.000And he was like, but it's going to be because Iraqis are going to be used as human shields.
00:33:53.000He was like, the people who die, Saddam will be using them as human shields.
00:33:57.000Like, how the fucking insane is that you're preemptively justifying slaughter by blaming the population that you're going to be bombing?
00:34:38.000When the events transpired that caused the war itself, you couldn't possibly be in the tent where the war chiefs decided to fucking, you know, this is the attack we're going to do and this is the reason why we're going to do it.
00:34:51.000No, you just were a part of the army or you were a part of the civilian population that had to endure whatever was going on.
00:35:14.000You can look at the actual facts of the situation and people can be informed in a way that's really never been available before.
00:35:21.000The Vietnam War protests were largely based on educational institutions.
00:35:28.000It was largely based out of universities.
00:35:31.000Where these liberal professors were trying to explain to people what the reality of the situation was.
00:35:36.000And then parents were like, these fucking liberals are teaching my kids bullshit.
00:35:40.000And then you had Kent State where the fucking military, the National Guard came in and shot student protesters and scared the fuck out of everybody.
00:35:48.000I mean, there was so much chaos going on to try to suppress the spread of information.
00:35:59.000I mean, it's just there's no suppressing it anymore.
00:36:02.000And we have these organizations that are scrambling to try to make sense of it all, that they're trying to justify their actions in light of this overwhelming amount of information that didn't exist before.
00:36:18.000Social media, during Operation Cast Lead, which was, I think, I want to say 2009, but that was the last really brutal siege on Gaza, and we didn't have social media like we did.
00:36:29.000I mean, they didn't have it back then like we do now, so I think they were able to control the narrative a little bit more, but now it's like the fucking floodgates are open, dude.
00:36:36.000You can't deny seeing children's brains being blown out I mean, it's just, there's so much death and destruction on social media that you're just seeing the truth right in your fucking face.
00:36:46.000It doesn't matter how many cartoon infographics you make up on the IDF side.
00:36:50.000And going back to propaganda, I mean, Israel's just working 24-7 to try to spin this thing.
00:36:56.000Not only is our media an abysmal failure in relaying what is actually happening, But they actually have, you know, first of all, there's the birthright trip where actually I think like 2,000 soldiers right now in the IDF are American because they go on these birthright trips and then they're told at the end of the trip,
00:37:14.000Like, you need, this is like, everyone wants to kill us still, you know, Jews need protection and come join the IDF. And it's just bizarre.
00:37:37.000The Propaganda Machine's working 24-7.
00:37:39.000They offer grants, scholarships for people who can do the most pro-Zionist editing on Wikipedia and edit the most Facebook posts and post the most pro-Tweets, pro-Israel tweets.
00:37:50.000They offer free hot air balloon rides around Israel, Tel Aviv.
00:39:24.000But then there's online media, which if you totaled up the amount of blogs, the amount of videos, the amount of online websites that have streaming video and podcasts and the different forms of media that exist...
00:39:40.000That cover these same issues, it's overwhelmingly bigger.
00:39:47.000For the cumulative total of websites that cover these stories, it's much more people are downloading, clicking on those links, reading those stories.
00:39:58.000Watching those videos than you're getting ever on a CNN broadcast.
00:40:03.000That's why I didn't even care when they canceled it.
00:40:04.000I was like, fuck it, I'm going on Joe Rogan's show tomorrow and that has a million times more just like people who I would even want to be reaching out to.
00:40:11.000Like, would I want to reach out to like old ladies in their home watching fucking Fox?
00:40:15.000Or do I want to reach out to people who actually, you know, have their eye on the ball or like invested in the culture and what the fuck's happening in this country and that's your audience and...
00:40:24.000I mean, being at your show last night and seeing just like how many people give a shit and are paying attention to you and the podcast and fuck CNN. We're driving them into irrelevancy, man.
00:40:35.000I mean, your show and all the social media stuff.
00:40:47.000And these fucking things drive me crazy when they have a legitimate issue to debate and they have four squares like it's the fucking Hollywood squares and Rip Taylor's up in the corner and he's like, this is crazy!
00:41:30.000I just want to see humanity have equality and I just think that the Palestinians are being royally fucked over and I'm just totally disgusted with the way that it's being portrayed and that they're being vilified and demonized with zero context and zero historical context of how this happened.
00:41:44.000And that's why I'm just like trying to just say as much as I can, even though I'm very biased and openly biased.
00:41:51.000I'm an advocacy journalist and I just think that it needs to be done because I see just a giant void in the mainstream.
00:42:15.000And if anybody in that area really wants to have peace, this idea that you contain these people is almost like ensuring that you're going to have some sort of constant conflict.
00:42:29.000I don't know what to do, though, but what are you going to do?
00:42:31.000Are you going to let those people out of Gaza?
00:42:35.000Say if the Jews and the Palestinians come to an agreement and then they open the borders and then the Palestinians come over to Israel and they seek revenge for their family members that have died.
00:42:46.000And then it all starts all over again.
00:42:48.000I mean, once thousands of people have been killed and, in their eyes, murdered, You can say military action.
00:42:56.000Use whatever noises with your face to describe a missile hitting a fucking baby.
00:43:32.000If you haven't seen it, folks, ladies and gentlemen, there is a recent thing where Barack Obama is talking about people being tortured, and he uses the term, well, we tortured some folks after the September 11 attacks.
00:44:32.000Because they said that a drone fucking killed one of their leaders in fucking the rural area of It's like, this is going to be going on forever.
00:44:45.000When you kill people with drones, when you fucking imprison people in a little area, I mean, it's just going to be a cycle of violence and revenge and hate.
00:44:54.000And that's why I just completely disagree with, of course, the drone war.
00:45:01.000It's a spooky idea that you're nowhere near there, and you have a remote control, and you press a button, and missiles that are called Hellfire missiles come flying out of the sky and slam into targets.
00:45:16.000And if you look at the amount of people that are innocent that have been killed by drones versus the amount of actual terrorists that have been killed by drones, what a fucking mess that program is.
00:45:26.000And they also just call them militants.
00:45:27.000Anyone who's just aged, like literally military age, so it could be 15 to fucking 100. If you're a military age male, you're considered a militant.
00:46:09.000And, you know, they're just all terrorists, I guess.
00:46:11.000That just makes us feel better, I guess, to think that.
00:46:14.000In Pakistan alone, between 416 and 951 civilians, including 168 to 200 children, have been killed, depending upon reports.
00:46:27.000And, you know, who knows what the numbers, the correct numbers are?
00:46:30.000I mean, first of all, you got a real problem with incredibly poor people where you hit a fucking house where they live in and there's no paperwork and they're blown to smithereens.
00:48:05.000But I think that the U.S. cutting off funding militarily, I think, is the number one thing.
00:48:09.000I mean, for God's sake, there's been blatant war crimes that have happened.
00:48:12.000Hitting the U.N. refugee school, killing 17 human beings that were trying to get refuge.
00:48:17.000During a humanitarian ceasefire, they bombed a crowded market, killing another 17. They've killed like six journalists, targeted all these media centers.
00:48:24.000And then there was the UN Security Council where every single country either abstained or voted to investigate war crimes in Gaza, except the US. Except the US. That's how blind this allegiance is.
00:48:36.000And if we could just end this military funding, I think then Israel would be forced to kind of analyze their role and we can really talk seriously about solutions here because it's not going to work.
00:49:00.000They grew up with this idea that the Palestinians are terrorists, and the Palestinians kidnapped Jews, and you remember the Olympic Games and all this craziness.
00:49:09.000I see their point of view, but as an objective human observer, When you watch this, you go, there has got to be a way to break this cycle.
00:49:48.000Because human beings have so much more capacity for violence.
00:49:56.000Our ability, when you have things like drones, when you have things like long-range missiles and nuclear weapons and all these different things that just didn't exist 100 years ago, but you still have the same mentality that existed 100 years ago.
00:50:11.000I mean, a hundred years ago, you had to fucking get in a boat and you had to get over there in a plane with a propeller and it was hard to fuck shit up.
00:50:19.000Now you can be in Nevada with a fucking Xbox controller and you're launching missiles from the other side of the world.
00:50:28.000It gets real weird when it becomes easy to kill.
00:50:32.000And when you're so delusional that you think that you are literally chosen by God to live more than another human being, and then you have these weapons at your arsenal.
00:50:44.000And that's the thing that, you know, when you talk to Jewish people, that's, you know, that's my faith and my undeniable right to have this faith.
00:51:53.000This idea that your ideology, your religious ideology, based on some ancient shit that nobody knows the real source of, is more important or more valid than someone else's.
00:52:21.000And then you realize that it's because of the evangelicals here in this country that they've basically been emboldened because the political establishment for some reason takes them seriously enough to let them have such a say.
00:52:31.000And it's driven all of our politics of the fucking right so much.
00:52:35.000And so then these evangelicals I think?
00:52:59.000And that's really scary because for some reason they're relevant here.
00:53:02.000And I'm not saying, of course, if you're Christian, I'm not talking about that.
00:53:05.000I'm talking about the very, very, very right-wing, very small minority that have an extremely powerful political voice because they have so much money.
00:53:16.000And it gets people like Mitt Romney and fucking Rick Santorum.
00:53:22.000I mean, the fact that those people are even relevant, the fact that we almost had that as our president, like, look, I think Obama's a war criminal, but Mitt Romney's, I mean, damn.
00:54:18.000You know, you might keep it off the table on your goofy legacy television shows and all these ridiculous things that you do, these ridiculous debates where everything's controlled.
00:54:28.000If I was ever in a debate with that guy, the first thing I would say is, you really believe Joseph Smith, a 14-year-old boy, found golden tablets that contained the lost work of Jesus, but only he could read them because he had a magic rock.
00:54:40.000And then he had to bury him, and then no one else can see him.
00:55:15.000He's just a better cult leader than that creepy fuck that came before him that sat on a golden throne, you know, and had a gay bathhouse in the same property as the Vatican.
00:55:27.000Well, I know L. Ron Hubbard's great-grandson, he lives in Oakland, and he was telling me that it's very openly admitted, and his great-grandfather wrote it in fucking books and shit, that he was in tax trouble and he needed to start a religion to, like, get out of this fucking tax trouble.
00:55:42.000Tons of money to the government, and he even said, like, I'm going to start a fucking religion and get myself out of these, like, tax problems, and wow, here you go.
00:55:51.000And to think that Scientology is any less valid than Mormonism, or that Mormonism is any less valid than a religion that is based on a Jewish zombie, all of it's silly, man.
00:56:05.000And it's not saying that there's no God.
00:56:07.000It's not saying that spirituality doesn't...
00:56:10.000Have some sort of a benefit to our society and our culture and this idea of a greater thing other than people, this greater power, whatever it may be that created the universe, because there is something that runs this world, is something that runs this universe.
00:56:24.000You want to give it scientific terms, you want to give it philosophical terms, whatever it is, there's obviously a giant energy that has created this massive fucking universe.
00:56:34.000Whether it has a consciousness or not, you could debate it all day long.
00:56:38.000But I'm guessing that a dude didn't die and then three days later come out and push a rock aside and, you know, come on.
00:56:46.000It's the myths that hold society together.
00:56:49.000It's all these fables and myths that are the glue.
00:56:52.000And you're talking about how we haven't really changed.
00:56:56.000I just saw a poll that basically if a president was atheist, that would be like the least favorable factor of like any candidate running for president is if they didn't believe in God.
00:57:05.000That's how important religion still is to society.
00:57:08.000And I think that even it's like we were saying last night at the comedy show, you can show someone proof that Bigfoot, that this video is fucking fake and they still want to believe it.
00:57:41.000They'd be like, go down psychoactive medicine.
00:57:43.000Yeah, if you were standing in the middle of all the people in Occupy Wall Street and you had a chart and you were holding up this chart, this is how the earth was formed.
00:58:01.000He'd be like, bitch, are you out of your fucking mind?
00:58:03.000If everybody just believed wholeheartedly in science, if we had completely abandoned all religion and then you came along with aversion, nobody would take it.
00:58:18.000And even though so much fucking shit has come out since then, even though we have the internet, we have the world's knowledge at our fingertips, we still believe in these archaic philosophies that do not apply anymore.
00:58:28.000Dude, did you hear about the Blackwater shit that came out?
00:58:31.000You know Blackwater, the most criminal mafia organization, and somehow the...
00:59:19.000The crazy part that just came out is that basically we went over to investigate them.
00:59:26.000And the State Department official went over to Iraq right before the Nasser Square Massacre, which is when they just went out with fucking machine guns and just slaughtered 17 fucking women and children on the street.
00:59:37.000Before that even happened, a State Department official went over to Iraq and they're like, yo, yo, yo, this company is out of fucking control.
00:59:43.000You guys are just crashing into cars, running over people, shooting fucking birds in the sky and shit.
00:59:49.000So they meet with the embassy and they're like, we need to...
00:59:53.000You know, this contractor that we hired is basically running our operation.
01:00:40.000Yeah, he's in Abu Dhabi, and he did start...
01:00:42.000Triple Canopy, that's what they just merged with.
01:00:44.000So before it was Blackwater, then Academy, and then Z. Yeah, right.
01:00:48.000And then after the story came out, all these other people came out anonymously inside Blackwater or ex-officials, and they're like, no, we, like...
01:01:46.000Like, you know, like, when you heard, that was one of the things that kept, like, when that Fallujah thing happened, and they hung those contractors, the United States contractors, like, I was like, why are they killing construction workers?
01:03:58.000Well, and what better way to control the population, to have these fake teams of political parties that essentially there's total uniformity when it comes to foreign policy and the militarization of this country and surveillance and all that shit, but then you just have these minute differences in terms of...
01:04:16.000I'm not saying that they're null and void.
01:04:19.000Obviously there's things that are very good about the differences, but on a big scale, it's essentially you're driving the fucking country to the ground.
01:04:28.000Yeah, I think it's like what they're doing is taking advantage of these ingrained tribal sensibilities that have been with us since we were in these small groups of people that had to worry about other small groups of people.
01:04:42.000Like we were just talking about this the other day that this is like one of the first times in human history where if a boatload of people show up, it's a good thing.
01:04:52.000It used to be when a boat showed up, you're fucked.
01:05:35.000When you have enough of these kind of conversations, and there's enough articles that are written on the web, there's enough conversations, like real, legitimate, objective conversations between people that actually know what's going on, where they go over the...
01:05:48.000The facts on both sides and try to come to some sort of a rational, unbiased conclusion.
01:06:05.000And that's why this younger generation, these people that are growing up with no idea of life without the internet, we're completely repulsed by these things that are happening.
01:06:20.000I think the people that, if you polled young people today in America, in Canada, in places where there's no conflict, and they don't have this ingrained sensibility that's due to having family members being murdered in front of them, And you ask them about nationalism.
01:06:35.000I think their attitudes will be radically different than people that lived 100 years ago.
01:06:51.000I think nationalism, I think people are realizing how toxic it is.
01:06:55.000And the more that they travel and the more that they reach out online to people across the world and they see that we're all fucking human, we all bleed the same, we all suffer loss the same way.
01:07:05.000And there's only so much you can do to indoctrinate someone to think that someone else is a lesser human being than you.
01:07:10.000And I think that the more we learn about what's going on, and the more access we have, that's going to really, really erode.
01:07:18.000Fuck, I mean, the old guard is holding on.
01:07:23.000Well, ideology is the only thing that glues everything in place still.
01:07:26.000Like, when you have something like ISIS or you have, like, this Palestinian versus Israel conflict, the ideology of religion is one of the few things that unites people in this sort of very...
01:07:41.000It's very hard to do when you have an agnostic population.
01:07:46.000It's very difficult to get them to just accept that these people in Canada are douchebags and we need to go over there and fucking take their pine trees.
01:07:55.000It just doesn't make any sense, you know?
01:08:00.000Can you imagine if for some reason we found, you know, this supply of diamonds or whatever the fuck it is in Canada and all of a sudden, you know, we started talking about Canadian terrorism and like, what?
01:08:10.000Like, we're going to go over to Canada?
01:08:12.000Like, you know, people would be like, get the fuck out of here.
01:10:11.000She'd already be president probably, right?
01:10:14.000but what do you think yeah i mean it is amazing and i think um i don't know what the fucking think about this ukraine shit man i mean were you following all that crazy shit that happened with rt well what happened they were trying to send you over there right dude what happened what does that because i remember reading that like oh shit they're trying to send abby to russia Wait,
01:11:04.000Who knows what kind of material they're made out of, but they're like multicolored, striped, and it's all pointing you towards her crotch in some weird geometric pattern.
01:13:22.000But when you're in a political position, when you're in a position of power, that's the one time when I go, maybe you should kind of look at their behavior because if they're doing really blatantly, ridiculous, impulsive shit, they might be out of control.
01:13:39.000Yeah, they might be a sociopath, but even more importantly, they might be out of control.
01:13:43.000Because I've known some people that were completely out of control.
01:13:46.000Like, they're just so powerful, they just think that they can fucking do anything.
01:14:00.000But, you know, if you're making tires or something, it's probably not an issue.
01:14:04.000But if you're the head of a country that has the largest army the world has ever known, not by like a small margin, but like, fuck Rome, okay?
01:14:14.000We've got military bases in a hundred countries.
01:14:56.000Those charismatic leaders are like, that charisma, that ability to do that is just too intoxicating to find that rare one that doesn't act on those abilities.
01:15:09.000We're gonna have some weird ass fucking president I'm hoping that what it actually does is it eliminates the position because I think the position of president is the last great alpha monkey position It's a dopey idea this idea that one person as our figurehead is one person that gets to make the decisions and he can the president could veto it What one guy right 300 the one guy for 300 million How's that fucking real?
01:17:16.000But when you're talking, this is your opinions on these things.
01:17:20.000And your opinions, in many situations, were critical of Russia, and critical of Putin, and critical of this military regime and their actions.
01:17:30.000And there was this backlash where they were saying they wanted to send you over.
01:17:35.000Where were they saying they were going to send you?
01:17:40.000So that was like Russia did this military incursion into Crimea right when all the Ukraine coup happened and then all of a sudden the Russian military is like making all these maneuvers on the border of Ukraine and Crimea was basically the first little territory right there.
01:18:11.000And then we're seeing like all this shit about the gay law and pussy riot and all this stuff.
01:18:15.000So it's really tough already to just be working there, you know, already.
01:18:20.000And it's even tougher to know what the fuck the truth is when we already know how biased the mainstream media is, especially the way that they're covering Israel-Palestine.
01:18:26.000So when they're all telling us one thing...
01:18:28.000But then all I'm getting is actual, like, Russian sources.
01:18:31.000I'm like, I don't fucking believe anything that I'm seeing.
01:19:06.000And so I kept seeing this weird Russian channel out there and I was like, I don't know why the fuck this Russian station is covering Occupy.
01:19:12.000I was like, but it's great and I'm so grateful to have this platform.
01:19:15.000That they're at least covering what's going on.
01:19:18.000And I really think it's because of RT's coverage, and they were nominated for an Emmy for it, that we were able to see all the videos go viral, and I think it forced the mainstream media to at least pay a little bit of attention to Occupy.
01:19:29.000I saw RT all over the place in terms of Occupy shit.
01:19:33.000And they wanted me to come and have a show.
01:19:36.000I mean, their whole thing is they offer the perspectives that you don't see, so they can have the very extreme libertarian voice, and they have the socialist voice, they have the anarchist voice, and it's just breaking through all the mainstream media bullshit.
01:19:49.000But when you're looking at the bias, of course they're going to have a fucking pro-Russian bias.
01:19:52.000It's funded by the Russian government, just like you have Al Jazeera's Qatar.
01:19:56.000The Emir of Qatar funds Al Jazeera, just like BBC's run by the British fucking crown, dude.
01:20:03.000It bothers me when people tell me that I'm a fucking propagandist and that I'm a mouthpiece for Putin because I've already displayed multiple times that I will risk my job to speak out against Putin if I feel like I want to and I have to.
01:20:19.000One time I saw all this military maneuvering in...
01:20:22.000I was in Crimea and I made a statement and of course the mainstream media picked it up, touted me as this anti-Russian hero just because they had no idea who I was.
01:20:30.000They didn't know how fucking controversial my show was and how I criticized the US empire all the time.
01:20:34.000So they picked the statement up, made me an overnight sensation and then they quickly realized like I was way too controversial to be lauded.
01:20:42.000So they ended up calling me like a fucking crazy conspiracy theorist, you know, lunatic.
01:20:48.000But what was really crazy about that, and I want to talk about RT some more, but what was so fucking crazy is if anyone's watched House of Cards, that's exactly how this shit actually operates in DC. Like, I made this statement, and then this girl, Liz Wall, which was my colleague and actually one of my best friends in DC,
01:21:04.000saw all the attention that I was getting, and she was just like a newsreader, very generic, never heard her voice any opinions.
01:21:09.000Two days after this happened, I was getting all this international press, and then so she resigns live on air and is like, I can't work for Putin.
01:21:18.000This is a horrible network, and I'm for the truth, and I'm pro-American and all this shit.
01:21:36.000It's the same people who started the Iraq War.
01:21:38.000Bill Kristol, you know, all these motherfuckers who basically forced us into Iraq.
01:21:42.000They're like the most militant neocon faction of the entire DC establishment.
01:21:46.000They've resurrected into a new think tank called the Foreign Policy Initiative.
01:21:50.000And I found out that Liz was like essentially being used by these people.
01:21:53.000These people probably reached out to her and they just said like, look, we're gonna like help you get this media tour behind you because their whole platform, if you look at their mission statement, they want a new Cold War with Russia.
01:23:10.000But it was hilarious because I woke up the next morning after making that statement and I woke up to a press release saying, we don't push our journalists into saying what they need to say, but that's why we're shipping Abby to Crimea.
01:23:28.000What was the actual conversation with you?
01:23:31.000Because I remember they said, someone had said, we want to send her there so she can see it on the ground and see what the situation actually is.
01:23:40.000What was their contention when they were saying that there was something wrong with your perception of it?
01:25:11.000They pull you into the office, Abby want to talk to you about some of the shit you said on TV, and we want to send you over to a war zone.
01:25:19.000So I woke up to this press release without even being asked, so I go into work knowing, and my boss calls me and he's like, hey Abby, we need to talk to you.
01:25:51.000I went into my boss's office and I was like, look, this is actually the best thing that's ever happened, RT. I was like, let me say what I want to say.
01:25:58.000Because people call this network a Putin mouthpiece.
01:26:00.000And I was like, and, you know, for good reason, because it does parrot the Russian line.
01:26:04.000I was like, but if you let me go out there and fucking criticize Russia...
01:26:27.000And at the end of the day, I give them inordinate credit for fucking letting me stay and letting me be there.
01:26:34.000And I don't know what's going to happen, but You cannot say the same for a lot of corporate media stations that fired people for criticizing war, which is even scary to me because those aren't even funded by the U.S. government.
01:26:46.000Yeah, but they're all terrified of the wrath of the U.S. government The access to stories, the access to interviews, you know, whenever you see Obama sit down with Bill O'Reilly, cross-legged, you know, they're sitting there, sitting like two gentlemen, their feet dangling over their other knee,
01:27:21.000You're walking into a nerfed room, you know, and O'Reilly can pretend to play hardball, but it's going to be about economics or Obamacare or something like real fucking simple.
01:27:29.000You knew it was going to be about Benghazi, IRS, and Obamacare.
01:27:32.000They probably already agreed to the terms.
01:27:47.000That was hilarious, because he had no idea, like, he just thought that I'd go on there and just talk all this shit about, like, throw my network under the bus, throw all my work that I'd done there under the bus, and just be like, so, you know, you're working for this overt propaganda machine.
01:27:58.000I was like, no different than you, bro.
01:28:44.000So, Piers Morgan not paying attention to her and not even talking to her and in between takes and going over his notes and fucking reading his Twitter.
01:28:53.000But I think self-censorship is probably the biggest issue that you see on media.
01:28:58.000And the point that I was trying to make is that I'm obviously like the only thing that I self-censor about is Russia because it's funded by fucking Russia.
01:29:43.000But it really does come from everywhere, whether you're looking at MSNBC, NBC, CNN. And I think that the biggest problem is that those have dozens, if not hundreds, of conflicts of interest.
01:30:22.000It's working for any company that gets their money from various sources, whether it's the Russian government, whether it's corporations that sponsor shows and want you to keep a non-confrontational,
01:30:38.000non-controversial stance on their network because they have this agenda, because they're As many products as possible during their commercial breaks.
01:31:11.000I can criticize the NSA a lot, but look at fucking Facebook and Apple.
01:31:16.000They're all working with the NSA. They're offering these backdoors.
01:31:19.000I use these tools because I care more about the truth and I'm giving up and I'm compromising my moral values a little bit because I'm not a fucking absolutist because I believe in the bigger picture that this is a platform that's going to get the truth out to as many people as possible.
01:31:34.000That I'm using Facebook to spread the message about this and that.
01:31:38.000And I value that more than I do cutting off all social media because I believe in privacy to the absolute extreme.
01:31:45.000So I guess there's a lot of compromises that you make living in the society that we live in.
01:33:25.000It's like you become some hyper-vigilant corporate entity, some mass-producing consumer, this person that can work 16 hours a day hardcore, and you're just taxing and redlining your system all day.
01:34:29.000Like, they kind of had a fence, but any dog could go over.
01:34:31.000Like, they had a fence that was connected to a hill, so the dog could just go up the hill and over the fence.
01:34:37.000And I was like, bro, you gotta put a real fucking...
01:34:39.000Like, their dog would growl at me and shit.
01:34:41.000And I told him that his dog growled at me, and he made up some crazy story about my dog getting out, and, like, the dog tried to attack him.
01:39:01.000Well, it is, but see, what people get confused about when it comes to this idea of tapping phones is that there's a person that's monitoring Abby Martin, there's a person that's monitoring me, there's a person that's got Amber Lyon's number.
01:41:25.000They go back and they have fucking real problems.
01:41:28.000I think that ultimately the evil and the sort of creepy behavior that's involved in the surveillance state We'll prove to be its own undoing because they're going to investigate each other.
01:41:45.000They're going to expose each other's issues.
01:42:34.000Did you hear about that other leak about GCHQ, which is like the NSA counterpart in Britain?
01:42:39.000They actually, it came out that they're manipulating polls and online traffic and essentially, you know the whole whoever controls the past controls the present?
01:42:48.000Well, these motherfuckers are controlling the present and the future because if you're manipulating polls...
01:42:53.000That right there can change the course of the political evolution of a country.
01:42:56.000If you're like, oh, well, 90% of UK citizens agree with this, what, are you going to say no?
01:43:01.000And it's like, you're just fucking making that shit up!
01:43:15.000It's like, look, the more the information comes out, the more the information gets in the hands of the people, the more that information becomes invalid.
01:43:24.000Or at least it becomes a weapon that's used against him.
01:44:01.000In the military community, they had issues with this guy.
01:44:04.000I don't know how much of this is true or not.
01:44:06.000But watching him walk down the street while these kids are yelling war criminal, they're holding up these signs, and they're saying, we'll be back tomorrow, we'll be back every day you're teaching.
01:44:36.000Well, you could be the head of a military machine that's responsible for, what was the, it's between X hundred thousand and a million innocents died in Iraq, right?
01:46:58.000What kills me is that the oldest motherfuckers, like Kissinger and Bush Sr., and Cheney, it's like, god damn, you guys have had all the luck that you can go skydiving when you're like 99 years old and you're like a war criminal like Bush Sr. It's like, how are you...
01:50:16.000Students who received, and this is on the fucking federal government's website, students who received earned D's or F's were more likely to be current users of marijuana.
01:50:37.000They're probably getting high because they're not paying attention in class.
01:50:39.000School, for the most part, sucks a fat dick.
01:50:42.000And that's probably one of the reasons why they're high as fuck and not paying attention.
01:50:45.000You're trying to stick a round kid into a square hole and most kids don't like it.
01:50:50.000And most kids that are creative, anybody that thinks outside the box, anybody that has...
01:50:54.000Any sort of aspirations in any sort of alternative career outside of the academic process of getting a degree, getting a job, getting a cubicle, following this very rigid pattern.
01:51:06.000Yeah, the people have a problem with it.
01:51:08.000People have a problem with people telling them what to do.
01:51:12.000Yeah, they're more likely to be the kind of kids that'll get high.
01:51:15.000Right, and that's why Finland has the best fucking education system in the world because they have very personalized education because they know everyone isn't uniform robots that fit into a perfect little thing, a perfect package that everything's standardized and this and that.
01:51:28.000And when we're talking about the vapid nature of people who take all these fucking drugs to try to fill this void or eat upholstery and tape and shit and glue...
01:51:39.000I mean, you know, when you're living in a culture that tells you that working is the best, like, if you work hard, you can get anything you want, and that's just fucking not true anymore, man.
01:51:49.000The American dream isn't available for everyone.
01:52:13.000It's like, I think that we just put work above all else and we're just working ourselves to death.
01:52:18.000And it's really not what life is all about.
01:52:20.000Like, even if you wanted to work and get money, Really, what are the chances of you getting your dream job where it doesn't feel like you're working?
01:52:28.000So, ultimately, you're going to be fucking miserable, working your ass off just to get the money, sitting in traffic, fucking coming home, you can't even have time to fuck your wife or make dinner, and it's just like this horrible cycle.
01:52:41.000Of course that they're going to abuse shit.
01:52:43.000Of course you're going to abuse drugs.
01:52:45.000There's no purpose, because the purpose that you've put as your god is money.
01:52:49.000And as much as we all love to buy shit, at the end of the day, that's not going to fill the void of what the meaning of life is and why you're here.
01:52:57.000That's the real issue with materialism as well, is a lot of times people resort to materialism to sort of placate themselves because they're so miserable with their job.
01:53:09.000They're at least going to get themselves a nice watch.
01:53:11.000They're at least going to get themselves a big TV. That's going to at least make me feel better for this fucking creepy existence that I've sort of locked myself into that I get to do until I'm 65 and then what?
01:53:32.000I would say to anybody that's listening to this that's confused, if there's another thing that you want to do, please at least try to do it.
01:54:49.000I'm going to take a long break, but...
01:54:51.000But DC's so weird because everyone there, it's just like Hollywood for ugly people, you've heard that saying, but it's fucking true because everyone there's a predator.
01:54:58.000And everyone there, they look like a pudgy-faced Karl Rove, baby-faced little doughboy.
01:55:04.000And they're all like these white dudes wearing plaid.
01:55:07.000And all they're doing is just trying to find out how they can fuck you over to try to get like, you know, use you to do this and it's just a super creepy predatory place and it's full of a lot of soulless people and they're all like, they've all navigated there because they feel like they can streamline their careers and just fuck over humanity essentially.
01:55:27.000I mean, I know that they're obviously going there with more altruistic goals.
01:55:30.000But it's just sad that they are bred to say, like, you know, this is all that matters is money and power, essentially.
01:55:36.000And power just corrupts the shit out of people.
01:55:46.000Minuscule shit that you think that you're changing stuff and really like on the grand scheme of things you're just kind of perpetuating the same system and I just think it's bad.
01:55:54.000I just feel like I'm, yeah, there's not really too many radical voices out there.
01:55:58.000I have learned a lot more about like the incompetence of government.
01:56:01.000Now that I'm living there, though, I feel like I've changed my mind about some things because I've seen how fucking stupid everyone is and how much in a bubble people are.
01:56:09.000I'm like, okay, at least I understand why things are the way they are.
01:56:12.000You mean as far as the ideas of conspiracy theories as opposed to just total incompetence?
01:57:48.000Whether it was Timothy McVeigh, whether it was the fucking Illuminati, whoever blew up that building, one of the things that happened was they started changing the laws on the ability to act against terrorism.
01:58:00.000Homegrown terrorism, they used the term, not light-skinned terrorism, clean-skinned, I forget what the term that they started using.
01:58:09.000Yeah, the idea of looking for a terrorist that, you know, is like a white man instead of looking for Arabs.
01:58:18.000But it was like, I think the term is like literally clean-skinned terrorists or something like that, but they changed the laws.
01:58:24.000They changed the laws directly because of the Oklahoma City bombings.
01:58:29.000After I got propelled in the mainstream, they resurrected all the shit that I'd done about 9-11 because I used to be in the 9-11 truth movement.
01:58:36.000And they were like, you're fucking crazy.
01:58:38.000Here you are on video six years ago saying it was an inside job, all this shit.
01:58:41.000And I was like, look, I don't think it was an inside job.
01:58:43.000As a journalist, that would be extremely irresponsible to claim that you know anything.
01:58:48.000All I can do is point out things that I feel are wrong with the official story.
01:58:52.000I feel like there's a lot of things that are wrong with what we've been told.
01:58:54.000Does that mean that we know what happened?
01:58:58.000And really, at this point, all we can do is point out the people that benefited, the people that exploited it, because it's just the fact that you're just called a conspiracy theorist.
01:59:11.000It's this catch-all phrase that you can just use to shut down debate.
01:59:14.000But I still have some questions about 9-11.
01:59:17.000But I don't go out there and say it was an inside job.
01:59:21.000Well, what specifically do you have questions about?
01:59:22.000I have questions about the insider trading, the fact that there were dozens and dozens of warnings beyond just the initial PDB given to Condoleezza Rice saying Bin Laden determined to strike within the US. There's like dozens and dozens more directly to the top of the intelligence.
01:59:59.000Like, no, because I just think at this point, all we can do is point to the questions that we have and point to how they've used the event.
02:00:05.000But I think that in terms of all these school shootings and shit, the problem with this movement is that it started off, I was drawn to it because I'm like, I, you know, I like to question the narratives that I'm given because I think that they lie about a lot of shit and rewrite history.
02:00:19.000But then it's turned into this kind of conspiracy culture where there's like a conspiracy like fucking ink.
02:00:25.000It's like making money off everything and you're capitalizing on everything.
02:00:29.000Everyone wants to be this celebrity on YouTube making these fucking paranoid videos about the Illuminati and every school shootings controlled and a false flag and I'm just like this is just that makes me just never want to touch that shit again because I'm just like you guys have actually ruined just asking questions like yes we should all ask questions but when you're just going out there within hours of every event saying it's a false flag You're actually making people like never wanting to question like the origin of these things and that's dangerous.
02:00:57.000Well, which is disinformation agent's job.
02:01:00.000The idea of a disinformation agent is someone who connects some really credible ideas with some wacky alien on the moon fucking conspiracies that are so ridiculous that it makes the other stuff that it's connected to seem ridiculous.
02:01:29.000In the days just prior to the September 11th attacks, large quantities of stock in United and American Airlines were traded by persons with foreknowledge of the upcoming 9-11 attacks, right?
02:02:10.000In the month prior to 11 September, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
02:02:16.000Unusual trading activity involving American United stock was noted by market analysts, who at the time had no idea what to make of it.
02:02:24.000Wildly unusual discrepancies in the put-and-call ratio, 25 to 100 times normal, were reportedly observed in stock options of the two airlines.
02:02:34.000In one case, Bloomberg, Trade Book, Electronic Trade Center, Trading system identified option volume in UAL, a parent of United Airlines, on 16th of August 2001. That was 36 times higher than usual.
02:02:48.000But it was during the final few trading days that the most unusual variances of activity occurred.
02:02:57.000Highly publicized allegations of insider trading have advanced.
02:03:01.0009-11 generally rests on reports of unusual pre-9-11 trading activities in companies whose stock plummeted after the attacks.
02:03:08.000Some unusual trading did, in fact, occur, but each such trade proved to have an innocuous explanation.
02:03:16.000The volume of put options, instruments that pay off only when a stock drops in price, surge in the parent company of United Airlines of September 6th and American Airlines of September 10th.
02:03:27.000Highly suspicious trading on its face, yet further investigation has revealed.
02:03:32.000That the trading had no connection with 9-11 and a single U.S.-based institutional investor with no conceivable ties to Al-Qaeda purchased 95% of the UAL puts on September 6th as a part of a trading strategy that also included buying 115,000 shares of American Airlines on September 10th.
02:03:55.000Similarly, much of the seemingly suspicious trading in American on September 10th was traced to a specific U.S.-based options trading newsletter faxed to its subscribers on Sunday, September 9th, which recommended these trades.
02:04:12.000The SEC and FBI, aided by other agencies and the securities industry, devoted enormous resources to investigating this issue, including securing the cooperation of many foreign governments.
02:04:26.000These investigators have found that the apparently suspicious consistently proved innocuous.
02:04:35.000So what they're saying is that the same company also bought a shitload of shares.
02:05:44.000So it's like there's just things that I just don't fucking get.
02:05:47.000And I just feel like it was thrown under the rug and the fact that Saudi Arabia basically financed this whole operation with Pakistan and we flew out all of Bin Laden's family.
02:05:56.000That to me is just like, what the fuck is that?
02:05:58.000So even if you don't believe anything else, if you have no other questions, the fact that we are still tight with Saudi Arabia funding them, allies with them, and they essentially like knew about the attacks and helped finance these hijackers is insane to me.
02:06:23.000Look at fucking Senator Bob Graham has been screaming about this on the floor for the last 10 years saying they actually do know that they were financed by the Saudi Arabian government, that the Saudi Arabian government knew and the intelligence services knew about these hijackers, where they were.
02:06:59.000I guess it just sickens me because if it really was the biggest deal in the world where they can implement a domestic police state and kill a million Iraqis and continue out this giant war on terror, wiretapping the planet because of it, the fact that they didn't want to investigate Saudi Arabia because the oil money or whatever the fuck trumps the justice,
02:07:19.000It certainly says that there's some creepy shit going on and that this has been the way it's always been.
02:07:24.000I mean, this is the way they've always done business.
02:07:26.000There's a massive, massive amount of money in oil.
02:07:29.000The oil money is so hard for any of us to even...
02:07:34.000When you especially start talking about these oligarch families, these families that have insane amounts of money, they're not publicly traded companies.
02:07:45.000They don't have to pay taxes because they own countries.
02:07:48.000So the ideas that we have of the richest men in the world, they're not really entirely accurate because our idea of Warren Buffet and Bill Gates and what about these Prince King dudes that nobody knows about who own oil?
02:08:04.000I mean, the amount of money that these kings have and these princes and sheiks, has anybody ever accurately got a reading on how much money they have?
02:08:15.000Everyone watched House of Saud because it gives a really good background on Saudi Arabia.
02:08:18.000But I mean, it basically is like a hundred-year-old regime because they just discovered oil and they rise to this status.
02:08:25.000And if you just look at Saudi Arabia's relationship with the U.S., Like we said, it tells you everything you need to know because of the utter hypocrisy in terms of human rights standards.
02:08:33.000I mean, Saudi Arabia is fucking disgusting.
02:08:40.000I think they just imprisoned them for life now.
02:08:42.000So if we want to talk about Russia's gay law, that's fine as well we should.
02:08:46.000But for fuck's sake, let's talk about Saudi Arabia as well.
02:08:49.000What is up with Russia's gay law though?
02:08:51.000Why are they so worried about gay people?
02:08:55.000I think Russia, you know, we're talking about a country that Soviet Union collapsed, what, like 30 years ago?
02:09:01.000So they're just like, I think they're going through a lot of fucking weird transitions where they're just kind of going through this evolutionary process.
02:09:12.000And they have a lot of horrible crackdowns on press freedom as well.
02:09:15.000But I think it's just completely like apples and oranges when you're looking at Russia and you're like, how come you aren't as fucking free as us?
02:09:21.000It's like, well, the Soviet Union just collapsed 30 years ago.
02:09:26.000And yeah, they're run by a bunch of oligarchs and it's a lot of fucked up shit going on.
02:09:29.000But I just don't understand the totally egregious demonization of Russia when at the same time, you know, all these partnerships are just so much crazier.
02:09:39.000Yeah, we got to keep our mouth shut about them because that's where we're getting our oil from.
02:10:28.000You can never have this kind of a show and put it on television.
02:10:31.000Because if you did try to record it, someone would come along and they would chop this out or hack that out and you can't talk shit about them or this or...
02:11:45.000There was a couple cars, you know, there were these weird, goofy-ass cars that go, like, five miles an hour, run on steam and shit, but the difference between then and now is just stunning.
02:11:56.000That's why we don't need, like, DC. Like, we don't need these representatives.
02:12:13.000But do you think that it should be like, is it possible that when you see people like Mitt Romney or you see people that are Scientologists, that people could be too easily manipulated and that somehow or another this has to be filtered through representatives that understand the law.
02:12:30.000But at least we know that these representatives who are going to cast the vote for their constituents, these people are educated, these people are moral, these people are of high standards and high moral fabric.
02:12:43.000The idea is gross because it's very elitist.
02:12:46.000But if you lived in Utah, and I love Utah, I just got back, would you allow the popular vote to decide a lot of things if you knew that there was a giant percentage of people that were in a weird cult that had some strange rules?
02:13:03.000But look, if the popular vote was replace the Electoral College, then New York and California, which is full of, I think, a lot more intelligent people, would have much more of a poll.
02:13:13.000And you just don't even see politicians giving a fuck about those states because it all comes back to the, like, they know that it's going to go this way or that way.
02:13:58.000So how could we ever get these people to really care about changing shit if they're just trying to make money to win the next election?
02:14:04.000And the elections here are just disgusting.
02:14:06.000This dog and pony show, it's like this fucking celebrity.
02:14:09.000They spent a billion dollars last time.
02:14:11.000You know, if you look at Europe, you can argue about the parliamentary system because of course there's fascist parties that get in and that's not good.
02:14:19.000But at least they have the avenues for other voices other than like two parties.
02:14:24.000And I think that it's just really dangerous to have this system.
02:14:27.000There was an interesting story in The Guardian a couple weeks ago that was the rise of data and the death of politics.
02:14:38.000And the idea was that tech pioneers in the U.S. are advocating a new data-based approach to governance, algorithmic regulation.
02:14:46.000But if technology provides the answers to society's problems, what happens to governments?
02:15:01.000They're this weird system that was in place when you had to fucking attach a note to a pigeon and send that motherfucker loose to get the word out.
02:15:36.000And with technology, you see things like Bitcoin working outside the system.
02:15:39.000I think that if we can maintain net neutrality, if the FCC wants to implement that and be fucking for the people for once instead of telecom whores, then we can really create some sort of decentralization online and try to create other avenues outside the system.
02:15:56.000It's just a dangerous world, because as you're saying, the more information that we have, the less relevant these authority and establishment systems will be.
02:16:05.000But at the same time, it can almost trap ourselves in a box, like the algorithms online.
02:16:10.000It can cater your own biases toward you, where all of your Google search results are catered toward your bias and your preferential searching habits and stuff.
02:16:19.000So it's like the information that you're seeking might be different than the information she's seeking.
02:16:24.000And that's not good to a free and open society, too.
02:17:59.000Everyone check out Margaret Heffernan.
02:18:01.000She has this awesome TED Talk about willful blindness, and she has a whole book on...
02:18:07.000Competition and the confirmation bias and how her whole thing, it sounds so simple, but the way she explains it is just like so mind-blowing.
02:18:13.000She's just like, you need to interact with people who don't think what you do.
02:18:16.000This is like a part of human progress.
02:18:27.000Like, look, and not necessarily surrounding yourself with fucking trolls who are telling you, you know, what Sarah Palin's fucking great, but watching the video like that dude.
02:18:34.000Like, the thing that we just watched about Israel.
02:19:16.000And I'm a victim of it, too, because it's like, who the fuck wants to hang out with people who are, you know, that you're going to be fighting?
02:20:21.000They're Christians from America, and they make their pilgrimage to Israel, and they follow these people around, and they're reading scripture like out loud on this fucking raft as they go, oh, it's glorious.
02:20:33.000It's glorious in all its shitheadiness.
02:20:47.000He goes and puts him in the worst situations, puts him in the worst hotels and shit, makes his life a living hell, and he's just going around traveling, complaining about everything.
02:21:45.000That's what's so fucked up about radiation.
02:21:47.000But I just, I mean, even though I study this shit every day, I did not realize until you see it, like until you see that Vice special and you see the tanks, how every day they're filling this whole cool, like, reactor up with fresh water, draining the radioactive water,
02:22:03.000like, multiple times a day, storing it in I think?
02:22:28.000And then the Yakuza, the Japanese government and TEPCO are hiring the Yakuza mafia there to help with the fucking cleanup because they owe them debt.
02:22:36.000So all these old Japanese men want to help.
02:22:39.000They're like, we've worked on the reactors our whole life.
02:22:44.000And they're wanting to sacrifice themselves and instead they're hiring mafia members from the Yakuza mob that have no idea what the fuck they're doing.
02:23:15.000They have this giant sarcophagus that's cracking.
02:23:18.000She was just telling me the other day that the nuclear waste, even with working reactors, they just have to dig a pit and put a fucking sign on it with a skull and crossbones.
02:23:28.000Because they're like, well, in a million years, even though the radioactive energy will still be here, they're like, at least the future civilization here will know what a skull and crossbones is, and they won't be able to dig up this waste.
02:23:36.000You're like, holy fuck, why are we dealing with an energy...
02:24:44.000Similar design, except very small difference.
02:24:46.000It's GE. It's a general electric design, and we have 22 sister reactors here in the U.S. that are almost identical to the Fukushima ones.
02:24:53.000Well, the thing about the reactors that's super disturbing is people say, well, it's clean, it's efficient, it's very, you know, as far as like the access to the energy, it's very, very efficient.
02:25:07.000But once those things go bad, they're bad forever.
02:25:12.000So you have, as of now, there's only two spots.
02:25:18.000Chernobyl and Fukushima are fucking toast.
02:25:21.000Those areas are fucked for 100,000 years.
02:25:24.000And then you have the storage of the nuclear waste from all the other places that are still operational, and you have this spot in Nevada where they have a fucking hole where Godzilla goes to eat his radioactive energy when he lands here.
02:25:39.000This is only 100 years, less than 100 years of splitting atoms, right?
02:25:45.000Nuclear bomb, 1945, and here we are in 2014. Less than 100 years of you guys doing this shit, and you already have two spots that are broken.
02:25:54.000You know, if you could look at the future, and you look at all the potential spots to go wrong, like if we had a hot map where you could, you know, everything that's blue is a nuclear reactor that's currently working and functional,
02:26:11.000And then you look at all the potential for red spots, these blue ones, to go bad.
02:26:16.000Like, God, we're going to fuck up a huge percentage of the world with this power source.
02:26:21.000I don't know a better method, but if I lived in California, which I do, and it never fucking gets cloudy, which it doesn't, I would say maybe that solar thing is something you guys want to...
02:27:04.000But when they first saw the nuclear bomb go off on whatever the hell island it was that they saw the first explosion, you know, all they told them was just to wear little sunglasses out there.
02:27:30.000Pull it up because it's a really bizarre...
02:27:34.000Because when you actually hear it from Oppenheimer's voice, when he talks about how he felt and you see his face, the regret, because he was a part of this thing.
02:27:48.000He decided at that point in time that they had made a tremendous, tremendous mistake.
02:27:54.000And here we are, 2014, still our major source of electricity in the United States of America.
02:28:01.000Everyone should check out Untold History of the United States, because in it, I learned that Reagan, fucking asshole, he was actually approached by Gorbachev To totally dismantle all the nuclear weapons.
02:28:17.000And Reagan was like, no, because I'm senile and I believe in Star Wars and I think that we can create this giant space program and blah blah blah.
02:29:25.000Dude, it's just like the SEAL Team 6. All 25 workers in the United States Star Wars projects and the Stingray Torpedo projects.
02:29:34.000Although the United Kingdom's Ministry of Defense still disputes these workers were connected to the Star Wars project, most workers died either having finished important projects or when they left for other employers.
02:29:46.000Several of those who died had routinely expressed fears for their safety.
02:29:50.000The manner of their deaths was also very curious and despite...
02:30:23.000Mark Wisner, a software engineer for the MOD, was found dead with a plastic sack over his head and several feet of cling film wrapped around his head.
02:30:34.000This was deemed an accident by the coroner, but was exactly the same way as Mark's colleague, Richard Poogh, who met his untimely end several weeks earlier.
02:30:48.000Uh, Ashard Sharif, uh, an experienced defense contractor, was found dead after placing a ligature around his neck, tying the other end around a tree, and driving off in his car with the accelerator pedal jammed down.
02:31:04.000The police felt this was a most unusual suicide method, but still deemed it a suicide.
02:31:47.000And all the scientists that were connected to it died.
02:31:51.000So all these people that could have been able to prove that these fuckers had just embezzled all this money and had used their defense contracts and spent all this cash, all the people connected to it that actually could prove the science behind it or disprove the science behind it are all dead.
02:33:31.000It's just like the DC madam, that woman who came out and she was like, I have all this shit that I'm going to say, and she's like, I'm never going to kill myself, and I can indict so many people, and all of a sudden she just killed herself, and everyone was like, oh, I guess she ended up killing herself.
02:33:43.000You're like, do you think that that's just a little bit strange?
02:33:46.000Yeah, DC madams, those don't have a long life.
02:33:50.000Yeah, that's a bad profession to get into.
02:33:54.000Yeah, you're going to take the most powerful murderers on the planet who essentially have all these methods and they have these organizations that kill for them.
02:34:19.000No, there's probably some dudes that are really good at being a mercenary.
02:34:22.000They know how to keep their fucking mouth shut, and they don't go Eric Prince in the whole thing and do press conferences and change their name three or four times.
02:35:23.000So if conspiracies happen between parents to kill their children, why is it so fucking crazy to imagine that people at a higher level are conspiring stuff?
02:35:31.000Because it's the whole, they wouldn't be able to keep it secret, blah, blah, blah.
02:35:34.000I mean, we know that conspiracies exist.
02:36:35.000Well, not only are they super close, and they make great cigars, and the women are really pretty, and they're great boxers and wrestlers, and they're right there.
02:39:53.000I just want to go there and just learn because they don't use pesticides and shit.
02:39:57.000Because of how closed off they are in a lot of ways, they've just adapted in a lot of interesting ways that I just think is...
02:40:04.000It's fascinating, I think, that we have, you know...
02:40:07.000I know a lot of athletes that fleed Cuba.
02:40:10.000So, unfortunately, I've seen the worst side of it.
02:40:13.000Talking to people that lived in Cuba under the Castro regime, people that tried to flee, got caught, you know, were forced back and then escaped again.
02:40:22.000I mean, these fucking people got on boats and risked their lives.
02:40:26.000There had to be something horribly wrong with the conditions they were living in to force them to do that.
02:40:33.000But I would like to know if that's exacerbated by these policies of not allowing trade.
02:40:41.000And who knows, like, if trade was opened up.
02:40:44.000Trade and also the influence of foreigners coming in there and influencing the culture.
02:40:53.000Yeah, we're basically, like, forcing the society to be closed off, and who knows, like, if they weren't, you know, if we allowed the fiber lines to get the internet.
02:41:00.000And that's another problem, is we don't even, we've, like, blocked off the fiber optic, like, network from Cuba.
02:41:54.000I think it's probably easier to absolve themselves of responsibility from doing it in Cuba.
02:41:57.000That's why we have CIA black sites in Poland and shit.
02:42:03.000So I think it's just like, as long as it's out of sight, out of mind.
02:42:06.000But what's so crazy to me about the Gitmo thing...
02:42:09.000Is the Bo Bergdahl saga, how they're like, we released the five worst of the worst.
02:42:13.000It's like, shit, if you release the five worst of the worst, then what about the other 120 innocent people that we already know are innocent?
02:42:19.000Like, why are they still in there if it was so easy to release the five worst of the worst?
02:42:31.000They would have to admit that they were holding people that weren't really...
02:42:34.000I mean, once they do let them go, then they start talking, then they'd have to admit that there's probably a lot of other people that are also like that.
02:42:40.000Before the Bo Bergdahl thing, I think that was...
02:42:49.000So he came back, and then they gave those five dudes.
02:42:52.000And I think that really blew apart the whole logic of keeping these people in Guantanamo Bay, because before that, Obama, you know, he got in office saying, I'm going to close down Gitmo and everyone blames the Republicans for not letting him.
02:43:02.000Truth is, he could sign a national security waiver and release every single one today if he wanted to.
02:43:06.000And the fact that he kept maintaining, well, you know, we can't trust Yemen to take these people back because Yemen can harbor terrorism and, like, they can become terrorists and then they can retaliate.
02:43:16.000And it's like, well, you trust Yemen to carry out drone strikes there.
02:43:19.000You're, like, working with the Yemeni government in all these other fashions.
02:43:22.000And that's where they released these dudes.
02:43:26.000And I just think that we need to fucking get these people out of Gitmo because they're innocent.
02:43:29.000And I would rather take the chance of like having someone retaliate than to keep an innocent person in prison for the rest of their life with no charges.
02:43:35.000And my whole thing is if they're so bad, like those five worst of the worst guys, if they were so bad, how come we couldn't find anything to charge them with for 10 years?
02:43:49.000Well, I've seen some instances where people were released and they talked about what happened and how they got arrested in the first place.
02:43:55.000They just went to, like, organizations, they went to meetings, they listened to someone speak, and then they got locked into this idea of them being a part of this organization.
02:44:16.000And that if you are a teenager and you're living in this area, sometimes you are affiliated with a gang because it's how you fucking survive.
02:44:25.000Or it's how you want to provide money for your family or you do running errands because you don't want to fucking get killed or beat up.
02:44:31.000So all these loosely affiliated people with like these organizations, quote unquote terrorist organizations, that was like they were just swept up.
02:44:39.000And those are the people who are just killed now with drones and stuff.
02:44:41.000And it's just really, it's this really bizarre like interpretation of what these entities really are and how they operate.
02:44:47.000It's just like coming from Oakland, like the, you know, gangs out in East Oakland.
02:44:52.000It's like if you're affiliated with them, do you deserve to die?
02:44:55.000And do you think that they can track those guys that they released, the five people that they released?
02:45:00.000Do you think they had some sort of a method?
02:45:02.000Like, my dog is a thing that they put under his skin, you know?
02:45:07.000And if he gets, you know, like they take this thing and if he gets picked up by the pound, they run a scan on him and they go, oh, that's Joe's dog.
02:45:18.000You know, there's like a microchip in them.
02:45:20.000I would imagine that you could have some sort of a GPS tracking device that you could stick in someone's fucking scalp and they wouldn't even know it's there or wherever, you know, some part of your body.
02:46:15.000Just so they can facilitate, create, and then thwart terrorist plots to completely continue to legitimize the domestic police state and the war abroad.
02:46:25.000So these people will go to mosques and they'll pray really immorally on like retarded people or like mentally incompetent people or extremely poor people and they'll say, yo, listen up, 250 fucking G's.
02:46:38.000And they'll work with them for like a year.
02:46:43.000So the thing about you're getting paid an insane amount of money to do this on our behalf to basically manipulate people who are weak-minded into committing acts of terrorism that would never have the capabilities before and would never have even thought of it before.
02:46:57.000But they go into these mosques and they go into all these...
02:47:19.000Because once they thwart the plot, and then they can parade around the media and be like, yo, we foiled another terrorist plot.
02:47:27.000Like, look, we're still doing a good job, guys, but they don't tell you that they created the terrorists.
02:47:31.000And then, of course, they put in prison for the rest of their life, so it's another wasted life.
02:47:36.000Wasted capacity, just put in fucking prison, and just keeping up this facade, this charade that there's terrorists everywhere and that they want to blow us up.
02:47:59.000You're eight times more likely to get killed by a cop than you are dead from a terrorist here.
02:48:04.000So it's just like, it's totally insane.
02:48:06.000And this report just blew the lid off it.
02:48:09.000It was just unbelievable knowing how much resources are going in.
02:48:12.000And then you see this whole terror watch list thing where 1.5 million people have been added to a terror watch list in the last five years.
02:48:26.000So I think that, but think about, I mean, you're telling me that 1.5 million people, and it's really making their lives a living hell, because you need, flying is like, you know what I mean?
02:48:35.000And a lot of these people's families are over and abroad and stuff, and what came out On top of that no-fly list thing was that the FBI is actually using the no-fly list as a tool to try to get more informants.
02:48:46.000So they will go to like Muslim dudes and be like, yo, you're on this no-fly list.
02:49:41.000There was even this one dude who worked at the mosque that actually turned in the informant to the FBI because they were like, there's some dude here trying to talk a whole bunch of shit.
02:49:48.000And they're like, oh, that kind of backfired on us.
02:50:15.000There was a Rolling Stone story about a guy who was a dirty DEA agent who would do those sort of things, who would get someone who was very vulnerable and slowly but surely talk them into getting him drugs and then connecting them with a much larger drug dealer.
02:51:35.000There were these two kids charged under the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act and you're like, I don't know if releasing geese from a farm can be considered as terrorism.
02:51:44.000Well, fogwa is delicious, so fuck those kids.