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00:09:22.000There's very few people in this life can say that they've gone from glam rock to expert MMA commentary and even fighting in MMA. Very few people other than you, Robin Black.
00:09:33.000There might be some lady out there, some chick, I don't know.
00:10:45.000And what's going on psychically, what's going on mentally.
00:10:48.000Like, it, honest to God, I've done a lot of fun things and they all seem to kind of lead to this.
00:10:54.000And if I could only do one thing for the rest of my life, I'd spend my time in my little lab researching what's going on when two men fight.
00:11:08.000And like I said, as someone like me, who's also a huge fan of MMA and a huge fan of watching two people try to figure each other out in the most dangerous and the most high-stakes sport, I think,
00:11:23.000Maybe not the most dangerous as far as, I mean, I guess maybe NASCAR is probably more dangerous, dangerous, but the high stakes of the human...
00:12:47.000You have to read this book immediately.
00:12:48.000So this guy goes, and he has researched the biochemistry that's happening in the brain.
00:12:54.000At the moments where people feel like a surfer feels like at one with the wave, you know, where a free climber feels at one with the wall, there's actually biochemistry happening in the brain.
00:13:04.000And there's four neurotransmitters that are released simultaneously.
00:13:08.000And in that moment, there's all of these things that humans do better.
00:14:03.000So what's going on physically is fascinating, what's going on psychologically, but the science is crazy.
00:14:08.000And that's kind of where my research is going now.
00:14:10.000If you could take an EEG and put it on their brain in the highest moments of combat, what's going on in there?
00:14:17.000I wonder if you ever could do that, because if they were in that highest moment of combat and they had an EEG on their brain, would they be thinking the same?
00:14:23.000Because would they realize they had an EEG on their brain?
00:14:26.000Well, in theory, If all these people screaming and you sitting at the side of the cage and wearing your underpants getting punched in the face, if all that isn't distracting, a couple of things on your head, it's hard to say though.
00:14:37.000I mean, the state, what you want to check with that EEG or something is the mental state, the biochemistry, the neurology happening in the brain.
00:14:47.000And if they're not in that state, you can't do it.
00:14:49.000But people have done it in other sports.
00:14:51.000They've done it and looked at what's happening in the brain and there's something called...
00:14:56.000Hypofrontalism, where actually less is happening in the front of your brain during these moments of perfect performance.
00:15:16.000You know, he's operating in moments of pure flow.
00:15:19.000And when these guys are in those moments, what's happening in that, that shit's fascinating.
00:15:25.000Like to look at fights and look and see that these guys are operating in the highest level of human performance and in that state against each other, they're fighting each other.
00:15:45.000I'm going to do a little breakdown on what's going on with pattern recognition in that state.
00:15:49.000And imagine you and I are both in that state, and you know that I'm starting to recognize patterns.
00:15:56.000You can lay traps for me by doing something called chunking, where you'll go one, two, three, four.
00:16:01.000And I'll start to recognize that pattern and anticipate it, and you'll change one thing in that pattern and hit me.
00:16:07.000So chunking, understanding that I'm predicting your patterns and using that against me, all of that kind of stuff just fascinates the shit out of me right now.
00:16:15.000Well, that's always been a big thing about striking, about changing up the speed of your approach and also throwing feints in, pretending to go one way and going another.
00:16:25.000There's all sorts of different things that people have done to try to offset pattern recognition.
00:17:44.000So I start looking at what that means and why.
00:17:46.000The science of that kind of stuff is just starting to blow my mind.
00:17:49.000It is totally fascinating stuff, and it's also the thing about achieving this flow state that's so maddening for people is that it just slips through your fingers.
00:18:19.000I'd be willing to bet you're in that state some huge percentage of time when you're doing comedy.
00:18:24.000Because once you read about it, there's a whole bunch of confidence that how it affects your inhibitions and your unwillingness to use inhibitions.
00:18:34.000You're probably in that state almost always when you're hitting it in comedy.
00:18:38.000Yeah, I would think so because when you're doing comedy, I've always described it as you're more like a passenger than you are like the pilot.
00:18:46.000You're just kind of like doing it and sometimes words will come out of your mouth and you're like, I don't even know if I can take credit for those words because I guess it's not...
00:21:18.000But it makes you look at these things differently.
00:21:21.000Like now when I look at these elite level fighters who can do that every day, I have such a marvel in what they're capable of.
00:21:27.000And I think that's because I got brutally embarrassed in fight before.
00:21:32.000And you sure don't like that experience, but it changes who you are and hopefully in good ways later on.
00:21:38.000Well also when you lose and whenever you fail at something and you feel that awful feeling of failure the motivation that comes from that to never feel that again is Almost impossible to recreate without having experienced failure you find it in comedy I experienced it in fighting as well like that those moments where when it's over you just feel like such a hunk of shit that like when you're training from then on and Your intensity is so much higher,
00:22:06.000because the stakes are higher, because you know that a brutal beatdown by somebody is such a horrible proposition, not just in the moment, but after that moment.
00:22:16.000The thinking about the act, the thinking about it, the same as failing.
00:22:20.000I think failure as a person, and especially as a man, Yeah.
00:22:46.000I've got to do some pretty fun things.
00:22:51.000And I got a killer wife and I live in Canada and I have fun and stuff.
00:22:55.000And I really think the only two things that I ever had going for me was that I have a crazy good work ethic and I'm not afraid to look like an idiot.
00:23:05.000I am not afraid to look like an idiot.
00:23:07.000Failure sucks and it hurts you, but being not afraid to be made fun of or put down or looked at and laughed at and not give a shit about that, you'll try stuff.
00:25:07.000And then once I would win, I would go, this is the greatest feeling the world has ever known.
00:25:13.000I feel sorry for people who don't know what this feels like.
00:25:16.000To win a major Taekwondo tournament or something like that, it was just the craziest feeling.
00:25:22.000You just felt like, wow, all that work paid off.
00:25:25.000And that fuels you as a person to accomplish other things.
00:25:29.000It gives you this understanding of focus and of motivation.
00:25:33.000And discipline, and then if you apply all those things to anything, to writing, to whatever you're trying to do, to building a business, to whatever you're trying to do, you can accomplish things that you felt were insurmountable before.
00:25:48.000The opposite of that, too, is in us, I think we all think if the zombie apocalypse happens tomorrow, I'll be the guy who rolls the car off my wife, picks her up, runs out of here, kills ten zombies on the way, gets on the helicopter, and gets out of there.
00:26:07.000You need to face the fire to understand what it's like to be under extreme pressure.
00:26:13.000And losing makes you say, I'm not necessarily that guy who fucking flips the car, does that, jumps, kills ten zombies.
00:26:23.000But then if you can come back and win, you go, you know what, if I'm at my best, if I'm focused, if I have my shit together, some of the time I can be that guy.
00:26:30.000And I think that's what you kind of hope for.
00:26:32.000Well, it's also objective analysis of your own shortcomings and your own strengths.
00:26:40.000It's a huge factor in martial arts because especially when you're training.
00:26:45.000When you're in the gym and you're sparring with, you know, if you've got a great gym, like you're training a 10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu or something like that, you've got...
00:26:52.000Just a whole room filled with killers.
00:26:54.000And everyone kind of knows the food chain.
00:26:57.000Everyone knows where everybody stands.
00:26:59.000And why does everyone know where everybody stands?
00:27:00.000We know where everybody stands because we're tapping each other out on a regular basis.
00:27:03.000And so, because of that, you're forced to really analyze your game.
00:27:07.000Like, this motherfucker gets me in his guard.
00:27:59.000So they don't understand that other guys have an understanding of physics, an understanding of where their body works, what happens when you hit somebody in the throat.
00:28:07.000The natural instinct to roll away gives them your back.
00:28:10.000All the most basic, they don't even understand that exists.
00:28:12.000So they have the idea that if I hit that thing with this thing, I might be able to beat it.
00:28:17.000Yeah, they think that somehow or another they're tougher.
00:28:20.000Somehow or another they're more alpha.
00:28:22.000Whatever goofy shit they have in their head.
00:28:38.000You know and some fucking beast mounts you and starts pounding on you and you give you back and you're like and then after that's over You're so Devastated and defeated and who you your perceptions of who you were were so screwy Yeah, I can't tell you how many times I've had guys tell me that they would never lose if they fought Because my mentality they're always like this yo,
00:30:53.000Yeah, that's a good point, that how soft we are is one of the reasons why it's so exciting to see someone compete in such a dangerous and volatile profession.
00:31:03.000But the critics of MMA would say, well, the reason why we are so quote-unquote soft is that our race, the human race, is evolving.
00:31:12.000And that we are moving towards a state where we no longer require physical conflict.
00:31:18.000I think that martial arts is the key to that gap.
00:31:22.000And this would seem like contradictory to someone who doesn't engage in martial arts, but I think that the realities of the biology, the realities of the body itself, and the long history of combat that's ingrained in our genetics, I think we're good to go.
00:31:53.000Is to actually exercise out all of that conflict in the gym.
00:32:25.000Because of the fact that they have no insecurities when it comes to that stuff.
00:32:29.000Their focus when it comes to their martial arts is not about, you know, like...
00:32:35.000It's not about going out and bullying people on the street or going out and picking fights.
00:32:39.000No, their focus is in bettering their skills and in doing so and in training really hard, all your need to prove all that goes away.
00:32:49.000I've seen MMA fighters that people don't know and they get into discussions with people and someone will get douchey with them and they'll smile and laugh like...
00:33:24.000He's probably college age, 23, 24, and he was just being a fucking drunk asshole to everybody and just walking around with his shirt off, this big giant kid, and he got to Tate's door and he said to Tate, like, hey man, that's my fucking room.
00:33:41.000And Tate's like, no, I'm pretty sure it's my room.
00:33:43.000He's like, I got my key right here, and I'm going to use the key.
00:35:09.000Hey, you're that guy from Fear Factor.
00:35:10.000And in that moment, in that moment where the security guys are completely going, holy shit, what are you doing here, man?
00:35:16.000I go, this drunk guy's picking on my friend.
00:35:18.000And when I said, like, don't worry, he's just going to put him to sleep, Tate said, and in his head he was like, alright, I guess I'm going to put him to sleep now.
00:36:55.000It exercises that stuff out of your system.
00:36:57.000And that's the frustrating thing when all of a sudden, you know, I come to town and my wife's here and her friends are like, what's the deal with this war machine and Christy Mack?
00:37:07.000They don't know about any of this stuff.
00:37:08.000They don't know about any of the good things about martial arts.
00:37:12.000They don't know about any of the good things it does and makes people a better person.
00:37:15.000They just come in and they're like, hey, some MMA fighter beat up a porn star.
00:38:51.000They won't have the absence of ego enough to train things they're not good at and then they end up leaving.
00:38:57.000So it's rare that somebody has to be very driven of like an animal style fighter type to get past that, to get to that level or just be genetically really superior or whatever.
00:39:10.000It's rare that that style of person becomes a high-level MMA fighter.
00:39:14.000Yeah, it is rare because if you're that fucked in the head, usually you're not strong enough mentally to keep going and to get to that.
00:39:20.000War Machine's a high-level MMA fighter.
00:39:36.000I mean, I don't know what he's going to do, because he's been in jail twice now, and this is the third one, and a girl, a pretty little girl like that, she's tiny, man.
00:41:08.000He goes, yeah, me and Big John, him and John are very good friends.
00:41:10.000They'll go on Skype and look at tape together.
00:41:12.000So I'm like, wow, that's fucking cool that you do that.
00:41:15.000And he goes, yeah, I saw a couple things.
00:41:16.000You know one thing, he didn't say you missed, but he suggested, and it was fucking brilliant.
00:41:22.000Like this referee that was reffing the main event picked up on this one that basically when the two guys, when Demetrius Johnson ends up kind of in that center zone, not quite in the clinch and not quite at, you know, in the pocket, kind of in that middle zone,
00:44:03.000I sat down with him at lunch the day TJ fought Burrell.
00:44:07.000And when TJ Dillashaw beat Hennenborough, who at the time was thought of as the best pound-for-pound fighter or one of the best pound-for-pound fighters in the world, TJ was a big underdog, and TJ went into that fight and dominated Hennenborough, knocked him out in the fifth round after dropping him in the first,
00:44:22.000dominating him for five rounds, and then stopped him.
00:44:24.000But what was crazy was when I had lunch with Dwayne, Dwayne told me exactly what the plan was.
00:44:30.000And then he went out and did it exactly that way.
00:46:35.000I watched Coliseum 2000 with Hicks and Gracie over his house way back in, I gotta say, it was probably like 2004 or 2005 or something like that.
00:46:47.000It was back when Hickson was still thinking about fighting.
00:46:49.000And it was a few years after he had fought Funaki and Coliseum.
00:47:06.000You know, because Hickson's jiu-jitsu has always been the elite of the elite.
00:47:10.000So when he watches, like, these errors and these things, like, big, goofy movements, you know, with big openings, it would just drive him crazy.
00:47:19.000Like, he would just be talking about all these errors and what's wrong with this and so focused on it.
00:47:26.000Jiu-Jitsu or you watch MMA from 93 and then watch, say, Demetrius Johnson in 2014. You're like, boy, this is like, no sport has evolved this quickly.
00:47:37.000And those two examples, when I looked at Matt Hume, he was better than everybody.
00:47:43.000Him and Evan Tanner were better than everybody.
00:47:46.000Just because they were fighting like today.
00:47:48.000And you look back, Matt Hume was doing this kind of leg ride and side ride like wrestling position that Chris Weidman was teaching at a seminar I was at like two years ago.
00:47:58.000He was doing it in 1994. He had good Muay Thai too.
00:48:29.000I was going to talk to Dave Meltzer, who I don't really know good, but we've chatted online and stuff, because he understands that history moment.
00:48:35.000Because there's also a lot of works back then.
00:49:48.000And then pro wrestling over there, these two guys, Funaki and Suzuki, went and said, we're going to take pro wrestling, which we love and everyone loves, and we're going to make it real.
00:49:58.000And so when they made it real, that was pancreas.
00:50:01.000So suddenly it's like wrestling was real, then it was fake, and now we're going to make it real again.
00:50:05.000So there were things like rope escapes left in there as you transferred from fake to real again.
00:50:15.000And they were so obsessed with the storylines because they were originally wrestling performers that most of the works involved them and involved them losing.
00:50:23.000So in its own way, it was only there to create entertainment.
00:51:42.000I love the beauty of the dance, all of it.
00:51:44.000But one of the things I'm most interested in is it's basically one global science experiment in real time using thousands and thousands and thousands of fights.
00:51:54.000to distill down to the nugget of what's the best and it still is that every 500 fights the best coaches are going okay well that doesn't work anymore well we've added that that works and it's this ongoing distillation down to the purest way to beat other guys that changes slightly now Because of this sort of demand for entertainment from the audience and stuff that changes.
00:52:15.000Like, you know, guys are rewarded more for standing now than certain things.
00:52:20.000But you take that out of it, and basically we just have thousands and thousands of contests all there to help us determine the research of how to be the best fighter ever.
00:52:29.000Yeah, I have issue with that aspect of it, where the technical aspect of fights changes for it to be more entertaining.
00:52:46.000It's all about doing the very best thing in order to win a fight.
00:52:49.000And if you put yourself more in danger so that the crowd roars and, you know, like, just drop your hands, duke it out.
00:52:55.000I remember a guy who's a friend of mine wrote something on Twitter and he wrote, you know, fuck technical striking, you know, just stand in the center of the cage and let it bang.
00:53:36.000There's a lot of knockouts that come from tactical strikers.
00:53:39.000It means doing it the right way, where you have the most amount of success, the least amount of risk, and you're doing things based on the amount of knowledge that's been accumulated over thousands of years of martial arts.
00:53:52.000You're applying that in an intelligent way.
00:53:54.000Johnson, Demetrius Johnson, in my opinion, is the best example of that.
00:53:58.000That fucking guy does everything right.
00:54:10.000It's all brilliant martial arts, and he's so exciting to watch.
00:54:16.000Sometimes people say it's not as exciting because he's not finishing guys as much, but He fucking finished John Moraga in the fourth round of a fight that he was dominating.
00:54:24.000He finished Joseph Benavidez with one punch.
00:54:27.000He's the second best guy in the world at his weight.
00:54:54.000Nick is obviously a very high-level martial artist when it comes to his technique and his experience, and he's obviously a very, very tough guy, but he's also in fucking phenomenal shape.
00:55:04.000Nick Diaz has swam back from Alcatraz twice in the fucking Pacific Ocean outside San Francisco filled with sharks.
00:56:24.000And because I'm friends with all these guys that also do my job, there's no competition amongst each other.
00:56:30.000I tried to get Jimmy Smith hired by the UFC. When Jimmy Smith's contract was going up with Bellator, I called Dana White and I said, Dude, this guy's the best.
00:56:50.000Also, they would worry that who the fuck else is out there?
00:56:53.000I mean, it's a really tough gig to have a person who's very passionate and very articulate, which Jimmy is both, and is really good at breaking down scenarios and situations and is legitimately passionate while the fight's going on, like you could see it.
00:57:06.000And also, not afraid to call out bad refereeing, bad calls, bad judgments.
00:57:13.000It's very important to him to be honest about the whole scene.
00:57:29.000Kenny Florian, of course, does a great job.
00:57:31.000The guy, he's always been one of my favorites because he's a regular guy who just figured out how to get the answers to the shit he needed to get to.
00:59:16.000Like, all you guys do a fucking killer job.
00:59:18.000But the before and the after and stuff, that's an area I always wish the UFC concentrated on more, especially during the really passion years.
00:59:28.000The heavy work has always been on the hype and the excitement and this guy hates and these two are the best and stuff.
00:59:33.000But during that era, you feel like if you got 20% or 30% or 40% of the audience to be obsessed with the technique.
00:59:42.000And I think a lot of times people went and showed how to do a triangle, not how to watch a triangle.
01:00:35.000You're talking about Demetrius Johnson.
01:00:38.000Dominic Cruz, if he can come back the way that he was, he's one of those super brilliant, mind-blowing performers, too.
01:00:44.000Yeah, well, he's great as far as movement and footwork, and his conditioning is always top-notch, too.
01:00:50.000Dominic is just so good at, like, not being there.
01:00:53.000Like, you swing for him, and he's off to the left, and then he's countering you off to the right, and you're like, fuck him, where is this guy?
01:01:22.000And then you watch a guy like TJ Dillashaw so satisfying because he does all the right things, because he's constantly moving off the center line, because he's completely unpredictable.
01:01:32.000Like when Dominic did a great, he did a great breakdown of what Franklin did wrong and where the errors were.
01:01:37.000And he's done that for a bunch of different fights.
01:02:17.000All he's got in mind is the overhand right.
01:02:20.000And the way for him to draw that out is, you know, how everybody, you know, when they talk about where the front foot goes, you know, against the southpaw, he's got his front foot intentionally inside, and he's offering a straight line to his chin for the straight left.
01:02:33.000And Okami, you can see him seeing it and going, no, shit, he wants me to throw that.
01:02:38.000Oh, shit, he's doing, he's ready to counter it.
01:02:40.000And the hesitation on Okami is like, it's such a fascinating moment as a guy's going...
01:02:48.000And he's going, oh, he's telling me I can hit him with it, but he's got that right hand ready.
01:02:52.000And just those moments to me are the fascinating shit.
01:02:54.000Well, it's also even more fascinating when it comes to a guy like Jacare is because if you do engage, the real fear is that he's going to take you down.
01:03:01.000So, there's always this thing, when you're striking with a guy who's such an elite grappler, it's like, this guy's trying to goad me into a slugfest, but I know that he's going to change levels and take me down at any moment, so you're always hesitant to really commit to shots and extend yourself, because if you extend yourself, it makes it much more difficult to defend and take down.
01:03:18.000A guy like Okami is also, or a guy like Jacare rather, is also fascinating because he started out his career as one of the elite of the elite in grappling and really had bad striking in the beginning.
01:03:29.000When he got knocked out by Makako, his striking was just very rudimentary, which wasn't very good, but now he's destroying guys with striking.
01:03:38.000Like, he beat the fucking shit out of Yushin Okami with striking.
01:03:42.000And, like, that's terrifying to people because now you take this guy who is this just phenomenal top 1% of all grapplers ever.
01:03:51.000I mean, I think Jacare, like, out of elite jiu-jitsu guys, he's, like, top 1% ever.
01:03:56.000And now, destroying people with stand-up.
01:03:59.000It's, like, the focus that made him a great jiu-jitsu fighter and the athleticism is now making him an elite striker.
01:04:47.000He had, before he fought Francis Carmont, he had, like, really bad, like...
01:04:56.000Bone spurs and chips and shit inside of his elbow.
01:04:59.000It was like, you know, all the years of elbowing people and also of getting armbarred, like, things break off inside your elbow and it becomes, like, crunchy and you're moving it around.
01:05:10.000It's just all inflammation and tissue damage.
01:05:13.000And look, we'll show it to you up on the big screen, but it's really fucking crazy.
01:05:18.000Like, there's a cup of all the things that they remove from his elbow.
01:09:00.000No, Arnis and Kali are an offshoot of Sikaran.
01:09:03.000It's a Filipino martial art, and it's very much like Taekwondo, but when they compete, they stick their hands in their belt, and it's all spin kicks and hook kicks and shit.
01:09:41.000So it ended up being in the whole world, if you looked at where Sikaran was taught, the Philippines, and there was a chunk, a little red dot in the middle of Canada because this guy was there and he had a bunch of schools and people studied, and a lot of Filipino population.
01:09:58.000I don't know how much there'll be of modern stuff on the internet, but it's basically a ton of round kicks, hook kicks, and spin kicks with your weight heavy on the back leg.
01:10:06.000So it's sort of like kicking, like a martial arts version of soccer.
01:11:36.000We're touring England and the UK and Italy and a few places like that.
01:11:42.000We did really well over there and I had a seizure from just doing so much drugs and drinking so much.
01:11:50.000When I came back, the doctor said the vodka and Red Bull was actually the biggest The fact that I took a lot of speed over the three days without sleeping let me drink more vodka and red ball but basically as the sugar leaves your body it goes down and you get sick and when the alcohol then leaves your body it draws more sugar out and you have a hypoglycemic seizure.
01:12:12.000So I'm laying on the couch I felt terrible for like 10 hours and then all of a sudden apparently I just yelled something and people came over and I felt this electricity shoot down my arms into my hands and they just locked up and I rolled back down my eyes rolled in my head I thought it was 10 seconds later and everyone was looking at me like I just got knocked out.
01:12:30.000And then apparently it was like a minute or something.
01:12:32.000And I went back and the doctor said, dude, you've got to get your life together.
01:13:36.000In fact, my wife just told me this morning, unrelated, she was on the internet and she said, Toronto looking to ban alcohol and Red Bull served in bars.
01:13:47.000Just popped up this morning on the internet.
01:14:57.000I was talking to my friend Aubrey about this the other day.
01:14:59.000There's this buddy that we know that makes these, they're called jambos, these organic edibles.
01:15:09.000He uses honey instead of processed sugar, and they're really delicious.
01:15:14.000They're super strong and you know Aubrey ate one and then went on this like two-hour stretching and like Rampage was like like using a lacrosse ball to roll out all the the tight tissue that makes just makes you really in tune it makes you feel like I like lifting weights on it because it makes me like feel like what my body's doing I feel like I can get like a sense a better a more in tune more sensitive and Yeah,
01:15:41.000I'd be afraid of, not afraid, but I don't feel like doing something physical, but I'd definitely give it a try.
01:15:47.000Is weightlifting for you, that's become like a martial art, right?
01:15:55.000At Olympic lifts, say a clean or a snatch, you work forever on the little details to try to make yourself calm enough to be able to express yourself with the lift.
01:16:07.000To be able to really put it all together.
01:16:10.000You move one way wrong, you don't nail the lift.
01:16:12.000You distribute your weight different in your feet, you don't nail the lift.
01:16:15.000You don't drive and tie your hips together with the same time that you're supposed to go up on your toes and shrug, you don't hit the lift.
01:16:20.000So it becomes this Ongoing work to try to make this thing better.
01:16:36.000It really enhances your ability to explode.
01:16:39.000Anytime you're doing anything where you're pushing up from your toes from the ground and extending and lifting it up over your head and forcing your whole body to fucking power that up.
01:17:06.000He thinks that, you know, when you have a, like, especially a spongy sort of like a running shoe on, where it's like a lot of give, that you're not feeling, you know, you're not engaging your toes, pushing off the ground.
01:17:19.000I think it'd also take away some of your force.
01:17:21.000Some of the force you're exerting, it would kind of absorb it a little bit.
01:17:25.000I definitely, they, a lot of the Olympic lifters around where I go, I go to this place, Bang Fitness in Toronto, and it's just like, It's the best part of my week to go in there.
01:17:33.000And most of the guys who Olympic lift just use the tiny, tiny, tiny shoe.
01:18:47.000Well, I still am a huge fan of Mike Tyson, but one of the things that I used to always be fascinated about Tyson and people didn't comment on is the size of his fucking legs.
01:18:55.000Like, that's where all the power was coming from.
01:18:57.000He was, like, pushing off the floor, constantly, like, pushing off the floor, and just...
01:19:03.000Everything was, like, thrusting from the bottom.
01:19:06.000And when you see a guy punching, you assume, like, oh, it's his body, his upper body, his arms are throwing the punch...
01:19:13.000But really, with a guy like Tyson, those vicious power punches, it was all coming from his ass.
01:19:18.000From his toes down, pushing off, and all his quads and his upper body throwing it into it.
01:19:25.000It's amazing how much of your full body is involved in techniques.
01:19:32.000And kettlebells, Olympic lifts, stuff like that.
01:19:35.000The bottom half attaches to the top half.
01:20:50.000Yeah, lifting weights, working really hard, changing my life from eating burgers and shit and drinking beer at lunch to working out twice a day.
01:20:59.000All of that just added three, four pounds of muscle a year.
01:21:02.000And each time you cut weight, after you've gained the weight back, you fought.
01:21:06.000And then you've had your couple of days to eat pizza and burgers and stuff.
01:21:10.000The weight that you are then is a pound or two heavier than it was the last time you were there.
01:21:17.000So these guys, at least maybe in your 30s and 40s, so a lot of these guys, you know, they either have a perfect, and I was going to say they have a perfect diet, but a lot of these guys celebrate the way that you deserve to celebrate after you fought a fight, and they don't have the perfect diet right after.
01:21:31.000But that walking around weight creeps up a little bit, at least it did for me.
01:21:35.000Well, the lighter weight guys, traditionally, those have been the guys that have the shortest careers.
01:21:42.000The lighter weight guys, when they get into their 30s, it starts to drop off, whereas heavyweights, In their 30s, a lot of times they're just hitting their prime.
01:21:49.000You know, like you could have a heavyweight...
01:21:51.000Like, look, George Foreman won the heavyweight title at 45 years old.
01:23:58.000It would be fascinating to get a real, one of these guys on the front end of anti-aging and human performance, that science, to figure out like, okay, a bodybuilder uses this much growth hormone.
01:24:09.000A guy like, say, an actor on CSI maybe uses like this much, you know, like anti-aging.
01:24:14.000How much is this 70, how much is Stallone using?
01:24:24.000Do you have the new shit that we don't know about?
01:24:26.000Like, what's going on at the elite level?
01:24:28.000Like, Stallone was, I don't, I mean, he's not an athlete, so it's not a big deal, but he was caught at an airport once with a whole bunch of...
01:24:34.000It was in Australia, because it's illegal in Australia.
01:24:37.000They have weird laws when it comes to hormones, even hormones that are prescribed by doctors that don't show any negative effects on the body.
01:24:44.000When used at normal doses, meanwhile, they have alcohol at every fucking store, you know, every bar in every corner.
01:24:57.000No, it's essentially the people that are dictating the rules, the people that are writing the laws, their ignorance about understanding the effects on the human body that these substances have.
01:25:10.000And if it's done through proper medical supervision, it enhances the body.
01:25:14.000And that's what people don't understand.
01:25:15.000When you arrest a guy like Stallone, who's showing up with growth hormone, and he's, why don't you just let him take his shirt off and look, does he look bad?
01:25:24.000He's healthy, he's performing well, he's happy, his life is good.
01:25:38.000And why is it okay that that old guy could go to the bar and just do shot after shot until his fucking liver collapses and no one stops that, but you have a problem with him bringing in boxes of human growth hormone.
01:26:08.000So it's like you'd go, no, look, this is why this is good.
01:26:10.000No, because since the 60s we've said this is bad, therefore it's bad.
01:26:14.000Well, I think when it comes to growth hormone and testosterone and all these different things, where people have an issue is because the way it's played out in the public eye has been all about illegal use in sports.
01:26:33.000It's been about all these people that are taking these things and cheating in sports.
01:26:38.000So because our associations have been all about people getting unfair advantages in sports, people automatically assume that these substances are bad for you.
01:26:49.000When you look at cigarettes, which are one of the worst things for you ever, no one's stopping that from being legal.
01:27:15.000That could be motivated by finance as well.
01:27:17.000It's just there's a big difference between the way people look at...
01:27:20.000There should be a big difference between the way people look at someone who's doing something that's a performance-enhancing drug that's allowing them to compete with an unfair advantage in a sport and doing it where if you're a guy like Sylvester Stallone and you're doing it to enhance your life and you're 70 years old or whatever and you're shredded,
01:27:55.000The societal difference between the oppressed, the people who are kind of at the bottom of the food chain, the people who run shit, the kind of people who kind of monitor how the world kind of works, prefer to keep people watching TV, not really eating bad food,
01:28:14.000There's a direction to keeping some of society not super active.
01:28:17.000And those people don't want those people to take performance-enhancing drugs.
01:28:21.000They want them to smoke cigarettes and eat hamburgers and shit.
01:28:23.000I wonder if that's a real conscious decision.
01:28:26.000You know, that's a thing that gets thrown around a lot, that accusation gets thrown around that there's some sort of international cabal that's looking out to keep the proletariat down.
01:28:37.000But not so much saying that there's some room somewhere where 20 guys are in there making decisions, just the feeling, the way that society kind of breaks itself up.
01:28:47.000If these laws happen for this reason, it keeps these guys rich.
01:28:50.000The way that society kind of divvies shit out, it just kind of ends up being that way.
01:28:54.000I think it kind of ends up being that way more than anybody's trying to make it that way.
01:28:58.000I think that what people have when it comes to testosterone and human growth hormone and anti-aging and all these, the stigmas that people have on whether it's the efficacy of them or the dangers of them, is a lot of it is based on sports.
01:29:12.000A lot of it is based on all the negative press that we've heard about guys taking steroids in sports.
01:29:17.000And then there's, you know, in MMA, there's this huge issue with testosterone replacement therapy, which was up until very recently legal.
01:29:25.000Now, human growth hormone has always been illegal, but they were never testing for it until recently.
01:29:32.000When Chael Sonnen got popped for human growth hormone, it was a big deal because it let everybody know, like, oh boy, these new tests.
01:29:40.000Like, I had a conversation with Chael about it right after he got popped.
01:29:44.000Well, turns out these new tests are really good.
01:29:52.000Yep, it's all financed by the UFC. Lorenzo pays for all this shit, and they're testing the blood.
01:29:57.000I guess either do it or don't, and they're doing it.
01:30:00.000And they're doing it, they have this, like, really intense chain of evidence where, like, the guy will show up at your house, take your blood, and it's like, you know, a fucking suitcase.
01:31:18.000The Victor Conte guy who came along and came up with some different strategies for avoiding tests, some drugs that hadn't been detected yet that they found were effective.
01:31:28.000They sort of manipulated the components of some various performance-enhancing drugs.
01:31:33.000And that's where they got that stuff that they called the Clear that they were giving, allegedly, to Barry Bonds and a bunch of different people.
01:31:39.000I had Conte on the podcast, and he sort of explained the whole process behind all that stuff.
01:31:43.000He's a fascinating cat because now he's kind of working hard to stop doping in sports, which is like really a weird position to take when that was your whole career was like juicing guys up.
01:31:54.000I think I saw him on like Dateline or something.
01:31:56.000Yeah, I mean, I don't know how I feel about that.
01:32:24.000And so then Chris Weidman posts, hold on, is this what happens when you replace TRT with TNT? And he shows a picture of TRT Vitor versus the recent Vitor who's off testosterone.
01:34:03.000A guy's been walking around in the world with the craziest body that you've ever seen and now people online go and he's got a chicken neck.
01:34:11.000That's going to affect his choices from here.
01:34:18.000He's definitely going to hear about all these things that people are saying about him.
01:34:21.000And it's interesting because people are saying, like on the underground, people are speculating, like, maybe this is going to make Vitor start using again.
01:34:28.000And if he does start using again, then he's going to piss hot.
01:34:31.000And it's also about, like, they're testing these guys.
01:34:39.000You know, is it going to come down to the UFC has to show up at the gym every day while a fighter's training and have them pee in a cup every day?
01:35:44.000It's like, okay, at 3 o'clock in the morning you set your alarm, you take this one at 3. You drink this many liters of something before you do that.
01:35:58.000And the doctor who's trying to fix this thing, he's got a game to try to win too.
01:36:01.000People are motivated to try to do great things.
01:36:04.000And this doctor's assignment in life, your assignment in life, well, you have 20, you know, you'll make people laugh and call fights and do a million things, but his is to beat drug tests.
01:36:16.000This doctor, this one doctor here, his goal is to go out there, wake up tomorrow and fucking figure out how to win this contest of beating this test, you know?
01:36:25.000Yeah, I'm really curious to see what's going to happen to these guys that were on testosterone replacement and now they're off.
01:36:33.000Because Chael Sundin's retired, he's out of the business, but Vitor's still in it, and Vitor is one of the few guys from 1997, when he made his debut, that is at the elite level today in 2014 and is ready to fight for a title.
01:37:27.000Like you can't function when your hormones go out of whack like that.
01:37:31.000So imagine somebody, I don't know what it would be like to have your testosterone at that level, but it's got to throw you the fuck out of whack.
01:37:37.000Yeah, well, these guys that get off of it, the thing is when you take testosterone, you put this artificial testosterone in your body, your body stops producing regular testosterone.
01:37:47.000So if they had low tests before, it's even lower now because your body stops taking it.
01:37:52.000You're injecting all this stuff into your system.
01:37:54.000And, you know, he's only 37 years old.
01:37:57.000It's a weird thing to have old man testosterone levels at 36, 37 years old, and then to have to face a fucking beast like Chris Weidman, knowing that Vitra Belfort, when he fought Michael Bisping,
01:38:12.000when he fought Luke Rockhold, when he fought Dan Henderson, all these guys, he was on this artificial stuff.
01:38:18.000And it was making him super confident.
01:40:02.000When he was at Fight Network, he had a couple hours to kill until he went to the airport, and he was hanging out, and Ramdeen started playing him in ping pong.
01:40:10.000And Ramdeen was getting a slight better of him.
01:41:40.000That's why when people are so excited about Jon Jones and Daniel Cormier, I'm like, this kind of, although it's great, I love that people are into a fight.
01:41:46.000I love, like, that there'll be a million more people than normally watching a fight.
01:41:51.000But for me personally, I just want to see them fight.
01:41:54.000They're going to fight whether they hate each other or not.
01:41:56.000They're going to go in there and we're going to see 25 minutes or less of these two guys putting together their lifetime of everything to fight.
01:42:02.000Whether or not that guy hates that guy isn't really all that relevant to me.
01:42:08.000I was torn on that whole thing because part of me loves the fact they're fucking with each other and getting into each other's heads.
01:42:16.000But I think that it's not a good representation of mixed martial arts to see two guys who are at the elite level have a street fight like that.
01:43:08.000Hip-hop award and you got to thank God and your fucking producer and you know I just feel so blessed and I want to thank the fans it's like fucking bullshit let me see what you say when there's when there's not everybody there yeah that's the thing about that getting John and Daniel well apparently that video was pulled Yeah.
01:44:44.000Yeah, these guys, so check that out on the internet.
01:44:46.000These researchers, these sociologists go and they looked at hundreds or thousands of UFC weigh-ins and they found that guys who smiled lost an extremely large percentage of them.
01:46:19.000I'll send it to you of what the impression of alpha male posturing, the effect that that has on fighting.
01:46:27.000So guys will stand there and they'll project a certain posture.
01:46:31.000There was research done at the University of Harvard, Harvard University, about alpha posture and what happens if you're interviewing me for a job and I have a certain posture and they talk to you after, you'll score me much higher of your opinion of me.
01:46:45.000Also, yeah, and that affects your – when we go to fight, and like Uriah Faber has that a lot, and he projects a certain thing, and that will affect your performance.
01:46:55.000But the science actually shows that it affects his performance as well because there's certain postures that when you do them, your testosterone raises a measurable amount and your cortisol drops a measurable amount significantly.
01:47:06.000Just by doing a certain physical posture.
01:47:28.000It's a Harvard research, and they did it to measure your biological responses to your own physical posture, but it also, there's an interpretation of the other guy.
01:47:40.000So I broke that down, and then I took a piece of Donald Cerrone standing there looking over at Pettis.
01:47:45.000And then I've superimposed what Cerrone said after.
01:47:47.000And he said, I looked across the cage at him and I looked at him and I thought, dang, I pissed him off and he's coming hard.
01:47:53.000And it was the worst performance he's ever had.
01:47:56.000Cerrone's fascinating because Cerrone's a regular guy who deals with fear and uses it appropriately.
01:48:02.000And he talked about looking over, and he literally said, I saw that guy, and he said, after, I knew I had to see a psychiatrist, like a sports psychiatrist, or a psychologist, because there's no way I should be about to fight a guy, and the things going through my mind is, oh man, I pissed him off.
01:53:31.000But the problem is when both guys are seeking an advantage and they both try to achieve that advantage, what you actually wind up happening is you have both guys that are fighting not to the best extent of their abilities.
01:53:47.000And so instead, neither guy has an advantage and both guys are compromised.
01:53:52.000Yeah, and it's also dangerous when it comes to combat sports.
01:53:55.000The difference between wrestling, which is a combat sport, but it's not a contact sport in terms of concussive blows.
01:54:02.000Where you're dealing with striking, there's a big difference.
01:54:05.000Almost all of the instances of brain damage and death that occurred in boxing because of boxing matches were lighter weight fights.
01:54:13.000Not brain damage, it's like accumulative.
01:54:15.000The heavyweight guys, of course, got that as well, but In fights where guys like had bleeding on the brain and then wound up dying.
01:54:25.000There was one recent one that was a heavyweight bout with Eric Perez, fought a Russian guy, and the guy had some swelling of the brain and his career is probably over.
01:54:32.000That was a prolonged beating, an unusual situation.
01:54:36.000Whereas like Boom Boom Mancini and Duck Kukim, that was a severe weight cut.
01:54:44.000A lot of fighters who wound up having horrible tragedies inside the ring, it was because they had depleted themselves, they dehydrated themselves, and then they got beat up.
01:54:53.000Yeah, there's got to be a death in a high-level MMA one day, and you would guess that if there was dehydration in the brain, that would add to it, for sure.
01:55:02.000Well, a guy died in Brazil from cutting weight.
01:56:14.000Until you find a way to make it have to happen or make something that both guys adhere to for some reason that's safe, this is the way they're going to do it.
01:56:24.000BJ Penn has a weird way of looking at things.
01:56:27.000Because BJ, although he dropped down to 145 pounds when he fought Frankie Edgar in his last fight, would not IV. And Dolce tried to get him to IV. He wouldn't do it.
01:57:20.000But I think the biggest thing is pure talent.
01:57:23.000And one thing I think people sort of forget, you see a guy and you go to a guy's back and you trap his arm in there with the hook, that's a BJ Penn.
01:57:31.000You take a guy on the fence and you turn your body sideways and you elbow him when you're defending the single, that's a BJ Penn.
01:57:37.000Did we really see that at all before he fought Diego Sanchez?
01:57:41.000When you got a guy in a triangle but he hides his arm over here and you pressure the straight arm bar against your face until he gives you the triangle, that's a BJ Penn.
01:57:49.000There's all of these things that he did.
01:58:24.000I mean, he fought and he had the same pace deep into the fight that he did at the beginning of the fight.
01:58:32.000And that's what plagued BJ. B.J.'s just extremely, extremely talented, extremely game, very aggressive, but didn't like to train hard, didn't like to push himself, didn't like to get outside.
01:58:46.000Of course he trained hard, but did he train the way he trained when he was with the Marinovichs?
01:58:51.000Like, you would talk about how he couldn't even hold his kid at night because he was so tired.
01:58:55.000But that's what it takes to be at that kind of level, you know, and he didn't like that.
01:59:00.000And when we're sort of on this hand saying absolutely one of the greats ever, and the other side of the debate, that's one of them, and another one was I think his Yeah.
02:00:28.000You know, when he fought Diego Sanchez at 55, it was perfect.
02:00:31.000I think the issue was that BJ needs...
02:00:34.000He needed to be outside of his comfort zone.
02:00:36.000He needed to be away from that camp and be, you know, with a Matt Hume-type guy who organized his entire camp, brought in high-level guys...
02:00:45.000He dictated his training and took him outside of his comfort zone.
02:03:47.000Yeah, there's genetics that are just undeniable.
02:03:49.000And if you've got a guy who's got those fantastic genetics and he is just engrossed in MMA, I mean, his body, his mind, his focus, he lives it, breathes it, eats it, sleeps it, gets up in the morning and thinks, how do I get better?
02:04:03.000That guy's going to be better than you.
02:04:05.000And also there's physical power, especially when it comes to striking.
02:04:10.000Physical power when it comes to striking is something you're either born with or you're not.
02:05:04.000And he tells me all, he gives me insight into how Henry thinks and tries to show me stuff through Henry's eyes.
02:05:13.000So you feel like you're learning one step down from this master.
02:05:16.000And so his thing is with a guy like Anthony Johnson is that Henry Hooft...
02:05:22.000We'll say to him, you know, you gotta be ready.
02:05:26.000If you are ready, you don't gotta get ready.
02:05:28.000That's the essential, fundamental plan of Anthony Johnson, the way he stands and the way he moves, is at all times you're in a type of balance where you can deliver power.
02:05:37.000Because you have power, and we just need to keep you in a spot where you can deliver it all the time.
02:05:42.000So his takedown defense revolves around that, the way his footwork works revolves around that.
02:05:45.000It's all built so that at any moment in time when you throw a punch, you're in the state to be able to smash with it because you have that gift.
02:05:52.000Yeah, and also when you see a guy like Hooft or anyone who teaches that classic Dutch style of kickboxing, it's such a technical style and that style can be lost on someone who doesn't understand what's going on.
02:06:24.000He was over at my house the other day, and he had all these books of detail, all his techniques, and how they intertwine together, and he has steps and levels, and he has a whole belt system based around these techniques.
02:06:35.000I mean, he's spent countless hours analyzing and categorizing and putting all this stuff together.
02:06:41.000And that's what's sort of lost on a lot of people that you illuminate very well with your breakdowns.
02:07:53.000Last time I was in LA, I trained over there.
02:07:55.000Fuck, you take one class with Eddie Bravo and your whole understanding of everything you think you know about Jiu Jitsu, the whole thing fucking falls apart.
02:08:45.000Like, a guy in his gym will come up with some new variation on a specific technique, and then they'll add it to the rotation, and then they'll drill it, and then they'll try it from another angle.
02:08:54.000Yeah, I remember when I was there just that one time, and I had trained with Eddie.
02:08:58.000We met in Toronto one time, and I took him out for a bunch of drinks.
02:09:12.000And, you know, you see, okay, I understand mission control.
02:09:14.000Make sure you got the leg locked, you know, the invisible collar, dewclaw, all that kind of basic stuff.
02:09:19.000You read a little bit about his basics.
02:09:22.000Read a little bit about twister side control and the twister.
02:09:24.000And then you think you have an idea of what the Eddie Bravo system is if you read that.
02:09:29.000Like, I thought, well, in the world of guys who know about MMA, I think I know, you take one class with them, you don't know fucking anything.
02:09:36.000Like, there was something we did from some truck position, and my first curiosity was, I need to know how this guy's brain thinks.
02:09:43.000Like, why he thinks these, how he comes up with this shit.
02:09:45.000Because it was something that felt a lot like a lockdown position from another angle upside down while holding a leg.
02:10:18.000And that's essentially an arm triangle, but it's an arm triangle from a completely different position, from a head-to-head position.
02:10:25.000It's a weird thing, but it's the same position.
02:10:28.000It's still choking off the neck on one side with the forearm, and then with your own neck and your own body pressing against it on the other side.
02:10:38.000And that element of wrestling, that was sort of a bulldog kind of wrestling kind of stuff.
02:10:46.000To either in the moment or have trained it, either one is amazing, to figure out that the angle of elevating your hips so high drove that extra thing.
02:10:55.000All those little elements made it beautiful.
02:10:57.000You have a black belt under Machado as well?
02:11:01.000Yeah, you have a gi black belt and a black belt in the air system.
02:11:05.000Well, I started training in 96. And so when you were training in 96, and guys would say, oh, there's a purple belt coming through town, everybody was blown away back then, right?
02:11:39.000It was like a 20-minute difference in the drive, so I just started going to Carlson's.
02:11:41.000And that was when Vitor had just made his debut against John Hess.
02:11:45.000And they were actually calling him Victor Gracie.
02:11:48.000And I even accidentally referred to him as Victor Gracie during one of the things that I did for the UFC in 1997. UFC 12, when I first started working for him.
02:12:29.000Things that you said that are common, descriptive things, they think they've always existed, but they didn't exist before you said them in a lot of cases.
02:12:36.000And that's really a wild thing, the influence in how people observe this great sport and how big an influence that is.
02:12:44.000Well, I definitely don't think about it, but the difference between this sport and a lot of other sports is that this sport, the play-by-play guy is not the play-by-play guy.
02:12:54.000The color guy is the guy who's the expert, the martial arts expert, essentially has to be the play-by-play guy as well because he has to break down the subtle nuances of positions to people that are watching at home, especially when it comes to the ground.
02:13:07.000There's a big issue with explaining jujitsu to people that don't know jujitsu so they can enjoy it.
02:13:13.000Because if someone doesn't know, like, why is that guy hurting?
02:13:56.000And when I worked with Morrow, I did a few dozen shows with Morrow, and he explains to you that in his case, he knows it, so he will do the what.
02:14:15.000You know, he transitioned into boxing so naturally because he was an actual play-by-play guy.
02:14:21.000But the odd thing, and I'm a fucking full-on Mauro fan, and he had a huge influence in helping with a lot of stuff.
02:14:26.000But because if you're a play-by-play guy and you're not really obsessed, if you're not deep into it, you will start to get certain things where you are missing out on stuff.
02:14:37.000So he might say, you know, he's on his back.
02:15:13.000Some form of it where you understand the psychology behind competing, rising to the occasion.
02:15:18.000What's going on in that moment when you see a guy who's breaking.
02:15:21.000You know, you can learn a lot by watching, but I think doing is really important and critical when it comes to breaking down jujitsu.
02:15:29.000I've seen, like I was watching a Pride the other day, and someone, one of the guys, it wasn't boss, it was whoever he was doing it with, I think it was Quadros.
02:18:18.000It didn't work, but it could, you know?
02:18:21.000When I was talking about Pancrase, Boss was the other guy that it was like, he's walking in the ring, and you looked at that, and you didn't want to be in there with this guy.
02:18:29.000You see the Boss in Pancrase, that would have been as terrifying a human being as anybody had ever seen.
02:18:36.000The intensity, that's what I thought about him and Evan Tanner.
02:18:40.000These guys were kind of competing, and then him and Evan Tanner came in there and they just It went crazy.
02:18:46.000Like, they put a level of hurt on people that would have been terrifying had you never seen that before.
02:18:51.000Well, Boss was the first, like, really high-level striker in MMA. I feel like Boss was the first guy, if you watch his pank race fights, he was blasting guys with kicks.
02:19:02.000Like, he hadn't seen anybody kick that hard before.
02:19:05.000It was more about jiu-jitsu before then.
02:19:08.000I mean, you had, like, Orlando Veet, who was, like, a high-level kickboxer, was in the early UFCs, but he was only, like, 165 pounds or something like that.
02:19:15.000He was a small guy, and he got manhandled by grapplers, you know?
02:19:19.000He fought, um, what was his fucking name?
02:20:32.000Just watching those guys, like, watching that sport evolve like that to, like, the beginnings were just people trying their style out and finding out that it didn't work at all.
02:20:42.000Like, remember there was that ninja guy who fought Pat Smith?
02:20:45.000Yeah, and doing, like, those instep kicks, which kind of, Jon Jones kind of brought back.
02:20:49.000Like, if you have enough reach, and you know what I mean?
02:20:51.000But you gotta have all that other stuff, too.
02:21:21.000A guy goes in, you know, at the low levels kind of where I get to compete and call fights and stuff sometimes.
02:21:26.000Brand new guys sometimes go in, their first thing in their mind, this was going to knock a guy out.
02:21:31.000The second that doesn't happen, they just didn't really think past that.
02:21:34.000Now it's a scary and horrifying place to be.
02:21:37.000Well, I remember Pat Smith fought recently in Glory, and one of the things that really troubled me before his fight, he said, I'm a one-round fighter.
02:21:52.000That guy's only job is to survive one round, and he's got it.
02:21:55.000Well, not only that, it's a crazy way of thinking.
02:21:58.000This fight's scheduled for three rounds.
02:21:59.000If the guy's exactly the skill level of you, it's going to take some time, man.
02:22:03.000I don't know why he decides to do that.
02:22:07.000I mean, he's one of those guys that really likes to put on a show, really likes to have an exciting fight.
02:22:12.000And that's one of the things we were talking about earlier is these guys that sort of sacrifice technical style fighting in order to make things more exciting.
02:22:33.000The whole thing is going on to try to figure out who's the best.
02:22:36.000Not to figure out who's close to the best but the most exciting.
02:22:41.000If we all agree that takedown defense is going to be the most important thing for the next two years, who gets good at that and landing right hands?
02:22:48.000It's not a worldwide game to figure out who's the most exciting.
02:22:52.000It's to figure out who's the baddest dude on the planet, who's the best fighter in the world.
02:22:57.000And the only way you find that is guys competing at their very best, like using all of your, like if guys played chess and they just said, you know, fuck all this strategy and shit, I'm just going to get gangster with my rook.
02:23:11.000You know, I mean, that's really essentially the same sort of decision making.
02:23:40.000Like, is that taking care of itself out of stress or out of fear or out of danger or because he pushed you?
02:23:46.000I mean, you talked about one-rounders.
02:23:48.000Kevin Randleman was, like, going to fight you for three minutes.
02:23:50.000It was going to be the worst hell of three minutes that you've ever had in your life, but if you could get past it, you've got a chance of beating him now.
02:23:56.000Yeah, there's a lot of those fast twitch muscle fiber guys.
02:24:00.000They have a lot of fucking explosion in the beginning, but they just slowly wear themselves out and then there's nothing left at the end.
02:24:07.000Tyron Woodley is a great example of that.
02:25:18.000We haven't seen anyone make that work, but I think that's what guys are trying to do, is everything is a 30-second on and a 20-second recovery, and fight that way, and train that way, and train to recover that way.
02:25:30.000But I can't think of anybody we've seen sort of make that really work yet, but I think that's how that level of athlete's trying to do it.
02:25:38.000Well it's also, Chael Sonnen had a comment on MMA and about just the physical demands of the body.
02:25:44.000He's like, the reality is that 25 minutes is too long.
02:25:49.000He goes, you can't fight at your best for 25 minutes.
02:25:53.000So it all becomes about managing when you explode, when you go after the guy, when you...
02:25:59.000You know, and for Chael to say that, especially, I mean, you think about his fight with Anderson Silva, was a crazy endurance test.
02:26:08.000I mean, he just went after Anderson in that first fight for four and a half rounds, just full clip, took him down at will, just pushed the pace constantly.
02:26:17.000Most likely he was on EPO at the time.
02:26:33.000A 125 pound guy does not have the same requirements when it comes to gravity and there's nothing pulling on him.
02:26:39.000That book I was telling you about that I'm in the process of reading, Rise of Superman, they talk about how some of these guys in these states, a lot of the analysis is guys in skateboards, the guy in the skateboard who jumped over the Great Wall of China, and guys who are flipping and downhill skiing and stuff,
02:26:56.000that they start to believe that gravity applies to them differently.
02:27:33.000The guy compares certain psychedelic trips.
02:27:36.000He looks at how that also alters the brain chemistry and those times where people are at one with something where they've actually, in some ways, reality is just that thing we each have.
02:28:41.000And these guys, you know, and some of them will say, I could spend months learning how to spend 20 minutes of yoga to get a taste of that state for a second, or I can put myself on a rock face and have it for three hours out of necessity.
02:28:56.000And that's what some fighters are doing.
02:28:58.000I mean, all the top guys are operating in that state.
02:29:19.000I mean, it's essentially like putting your focus into something and taking that something, whatever it is, to the highest level that's possible.
02:29:29.000He was talking about how when you're rock climbing, I had him on the podcast, he was talking about rock climbing that when you're doing it, you're really pretty chill.
02:29:43.000He goes, most of the time everything is really calm and really chill and you just sort of zen and you're just, this is what you're doing and you're just going through it and you're...
02:29:52.000Putting the powder in your hands, you're sticking your hands in cracks, and you're just pulling yourself up.
02:29:57.000He goes, then you kind of get to the top.
02:30:15.000There was a piece that they did in one of those television shows where they talked about Alex where this guy who was also a free climber was like, look, it's not a matter of if he's going to fall.
02:30:26.000It's a matter of when he's going to fall and he's going to die when he does.
02:30:29.000And, you know, this guy's kind of freaking the fuck out.
02:31:32.000It's all about how much focus you have on that goal, how much intent you have on that action.
02:31:38.000And if you're not completely obsessed, I've always said that greatness and madness are next door neighbors and they borrow each other's sugar.
02:31:46.000Because you don't get there without the other.
02:31:50.000I know when I was competing, when I was at my best...
02:31:53.000When I was four-time state champion in Taekwondo and I won the US Open in a bunch of other tournaments, I was crazy.
02:32:05.000So I used to go to the Dojangs, what the Koreans call it.
02:32:08.000I used to go there Two o'clock in the morning, because I had the keys, and I would train knowing that no one else was training.
02:32:13.000And I felt like I had an edge that way.
02:32:15.000I'd seen Mike Tyson talk about how he would run when everyone was asleep, because he felt like his opponent was sleeping, so that gave him an edge.
02:33:11.000The genetics and the obsession must come together in the perfect storm.
02:33:14.000Because if you're competing and you have the same amount of obsession as some Jon Jones character, Fuck, that guy's just too goddamn strong, too big.
02:33:23.000You see guys get in there with John, and then when John locks up with him and then sends him flying through the air, they realize, oh, there's another level to this thing.
02:33:31.000When he almost took off Teixeira's arm, that must have been fucking terrifying.
02:33:36.000He's been in there with Chuck Liddell and every great fighter at 205 pounds over the last 10 years of not losing and training every day, and this guy does this to him?
02:33:43.000Tears his shoulder apart in the first round with some new move that he had been thinking about doing.
02:33:50.000John is so brilliant in his ability to improvise in the heat of battle.
02:33:55.000Like, he saw that Glover was loading up, so he decided to stand, like, right on top of him, and then he would anticipate, he would feel him loading up, and then avoid those shots and counter with elbows in tight.
02:34:07.000And he was fucking Glover up in the place where Glover thought that he was going to dominate.
02:34:11.000And he went in there, and the things that he never even planned to use, but a lifetime of Greco-Roman playing in there, I thought, oh, shit, I win this position.
02:37:09.000One of the most important aspects of that fight is that he faced a guy, first of all, with the same sort of physical advantages that he has, a guy with a really long reach, a guy who was an excellent striker, a better, smoother, more efficient striker than he is.
02:37:22.000Who took him down, added confusion to the equation.
02:37:26.000Yup, did something unpredictable, and then on top of that he still won.
02:37:30.000You know, and then, man, I was really looking forward to that rematch.
02:37:33.000It was a bummer when Gustafson hurt his knee.
02:37:35.000But what's interesting is Gustafson hurt his knee, they cancel the fight, but now John hurt his knee, but the Cormier fight is still on.
02:40:58.000He had his arm cranked up behind his back.
02:41:01.000You know, first of all, it's crazy when you think of the fact that Hoyler Gracie fought Sakuraba and Sakuraba fought Vitor Belfort and Vanderlei Soba.
02:41:08.000Like, think about the difference in size between those guys.
02:41:25.000I love hearing stories from guys that were around in the early days when they're like, yeah, we drove nine hours because they said we were going to have an MMA fight and we got there and they said, well, your opponent's not here.
02:42:21.000And he would always talk about street techniques.
02:42:23.000What we're doing is all about street defense.
02:42:26.000And I go, let me tell you something, dude.
02:42:28.000What works on train killers is the best shit.
02:42:32.000All this nonsense about street techniques, like you're going to do that and do this and that's going to work better and you're going to fucking death touch somebody in their solar plexus and go after their pressure points.
02:43:31.000That's the reason why you don't see Kung Fu in MMA. I mean...
02:43:34.000Roy Nelson jokingly calls himself a kung fu fighter, and I know he has actually done some kung fu training, but the reality is Roy's throwing a fucking heavy overhand right, and he's got a black belt in jiu-jitsu to back it up.
02:43:47.000And if, I mean, hey, if for whatever reason you like wearing a kung fu outfit and doing all this stuff, it makes you feel good, fuck it, go train it, for sure.
02:44:18.000I have Kung Fu Studio down the street.
02:44:20.000And they would literally, I could teach you some shit.
02:44:22.000And really, literally believe that when they're talking to the greatest fighter in the world at the time, that they got some secret shit back on St. Denis Street in Quebec, in Montreal, that he could teach George St. Pierre.
02:44:36.000This guy really fucking believes that.
02:44:37.000They really believe they got some death touch they're going to pull out.
02:45:26.000Yeah, well, that was a weird moment because John Donaher, who's a friend of mine, was talking, and we were out to eat after a fight, me, him, and Eddie, and he said, do you guys know any good Taekwondo guys?
02:45:39.000George wants to work on the mechanics of his spinning back kick.
02:45:41.000And I said, this is going to sound so stupid, but I have to say it, I have a great spinning back kick.
02:45:47.000My spinning back kick, I really know how to do it better than anybody.
02:45:50.000And you say that, and people go, get the fuck out of here.
02:46:47.000And then you could see, like, he got this, like, I'm actually going to get something out of this.
02:46:51.000As opposed to, like, I'm just being nice to Joe because we're friends and I'm going to go humor him and, you know, he's going to throw some pussy-ass kicks.
02:46:59.000But when he saw me kick a bag, you know, when you kick a 200-pound bag and it goes flying, and then it puts it in your head, you go, oh, I get it.
02:49:29.000When it happens once, suddenly it's now real humans do this.
02:49:34.000Just because that guy did it, not every guy thinks he can do it, but some guys think they Yeah, it's an amazing thing to watch the actual growth.
02:51:00.000Chris is a traditional martial artist as well.
02:51:02.000So he knows when this right leg comes forward and the stance is distributed this way, either a side kick is coming or a hook kick is coming.
02:51:08.000Or a round kick, front leg round kick.
02:51:10.000The hip was flared enough that he was probably...
02:51:14.000The round kick wasn't as in play because of the position of how far his shoulder or hip was.
02:51:19.000So then we freeze it and say, that's what he knows.
02:51:21.000He knows from a lifetime that both of those are in play.
02:51:25.000He throws the side kick and goes, freeze.
02:51:27.000Now, Chris in his mind would know if this still happens, the next option, since he's just given me a sidekick, his point is hoping to drop my hands and hook kick me in the head.
02:51:35.000When he saw that happen, there was a little flare of the hip and his brain goes, oh yeah, that's coming.
02:51:39.000And then he timed it on the hook kick.
02:51:41.000But it was his ability to kind of see the future.
02:51:46.000And we predict the future all the time.
02:51:48.000When you go to open a door handle, the reason if it was really hot or if it was spongy that you'd be surprised is because your brain was predicting what a door handle would feel like.
02:51:56.000Yeah, and that's what you were talking about earlier when it comes to pattern recognition.
02:52:01.000That's a big thing with pattern recognition.
02:52:19.000And we were talking about after Sarah's fight, Kaufman's fight, her last one in Quebec City, she was throwing a lot of off-tempo things which he taught her because she's a dancer, right?
02:52:29.000So he can work footwork off time and different rhythms with her.
02:52:33.000But he was also talking about pattern recognition and how him and Greg Jackson, that's one of the things they're on heavy, is training you to expect certain patterns, chunking those patterns that your brain anticipates and then giving you a surprise.
02:52:48.000And that's on the front end of some of their thinking right now.
02:52:53.000And what's so cool is when you have that many great minds doing it, now you've got one of these guys thinking that, but you've got Duane over here fucking thinking this.
02:53:01.000You've got Matt Humes over there, and there's all these different guys in there.
02:53:04.000Duke Rufus is in Wisconsin, and he's looking at it and trying to break it down.
02:53:08.000And then put them against each other, and the lessons that we learn there, everybody's going to go back in their labs and prepare for the next one.