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00:10:08.000When you get up into that, when I say that, when you get up into the alpine zone, like above Timberline in southeast Alaska, it really, like, you know...
00:10:20.000It's cooler looking than the Ewok forest.
00:10:25.000You go from old growth stuff where the three of us could all stand around It joined hand to hand, and you couldn't reach around these trees, you know?
00:10:34.000And you climb a little higher, and it's like, boom!
00:12:13.000So sometimes you're looking at, there's mountains there.
00:12:16.000And you're like, I guarantee that no one, you know, you can't guarantee.
00:12:20.000But I mean, like for a hundred years, it's probably no one has stepped foot on that thing.
00:12:23.000Because you really had, we would have to get to one place and you'd have to get a boat and carry it through and go across to another place and then climb up.
00:12:40.000Unless you can land up there on a lake.
00:12:42.000We'll land in a spot, and I want to just walk from there.
00:12:47.000And I think we will walk up into stuff that people haven't walked there.
00:12:53.000I mean, there's always some crazy thing you didn't know about, but we're going to walk into some stuff where people just have not walked.
00:12:58.000You can stand around places there and say...
00:13:04.000I feel very certain that I'm definitely the first guy to ever have his feet sitting right here.
00:13:10.000I can't discount something that happened hundreds and hundreds of years ago, but there's just some wild stuff in there.
00:13:17.000Right now, I got mixed feelings about it too, but the Forest Service up there just announced they're going to be opening up a cut up there, 6,000 acres of old growth.
00:13:53.000The four is just people that live there having access to a good-paying job.
00:13:58.000The downside is we have just a minuscule fraction of old growth left.
00:14:05.000Yeah, I don't see why anybody would allow that.
00:14:08.000I mean, I understand the economic thing, but I always feel like there's got to be another way to make money.
00:14:12.000What's weird, too, is Tong has just said recently that over the next decade, they're looking to phase out old growth logging.
00:14:21.000At the same time that they are announcing and pushing forward with plans to do a big 6,000 acre clear cut.
00:14:29.000So they're sort of acknowledging on one hand that they want to get out of it or need to get out of it or can see into the future they need to get out of it.
00:14:35.000And on the other hand being like, but we'll have one last hoorah, I guess.
00:14:40.000And you're dealing with how old you think these trees are.
00:14:44.000I can't speak specifically to that particular area, but there's dog furs that are much older than the birth of this nation out there in cedars.
00:14:54.000Hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years old.
00:14:56.000That just seems fucked up to chop them down and make what?
00:15:04.000We've talked about this before on the show, how things get so convoluted.
00:15:07.000One of the big, just to bring it back to us going on a hunt for sick of black-tailed deer, those sick of black-tailed deer, when we're going to look for them, we're going to be looking for them up in the Alpine, which they'll be leaving.
00:15:21.000They'll be leaving around the time we're going there.
00:15:26.000Where we're going to be looking for deer will still have snow in June.
00:15:29.000Then it melts off, and there's long days, and it turns beautiful, and it gets very vibrant and green, and there's all kinds of succulents, and deer come up out of the timber to feed around in there.
00:15:39.000Then in October, it snows, so you have a couple snow-free months.
00:15:42.000In October, it snows, and those deer will all split.
00:15:45.000Traditionally, what those deer want to do is they want to go down and spend the winter down in old growth because the old growth canopy allows for kind of a snow-free, sheltered understory where they're down on the ground and they'll hang out in that old growth timber.
00:16:05.000The cut would be that we need it for deer.
00:16:09.000And a further argument would be the reason we need to protect deer habitat is because we need to protect the wolves out there.
00:16:16.000And some people right now are trying to make a push to say that the wolves in the Alexander Archipelago, of which Prince of Wales Island is a part, that those wolves are genetically extinct and they therefore deserve...
00:16:50.000Might wind up also be angling for protecting wolves out there from hunting and trapping.
00:16:56.000And then you're left to be like, well, I'm not really comfortable with the timber sale, but I'm not really comfortable with you using biological lumping and splitting in order to close down certain sorts of hunting season.
00:17:34.000Yeah, but the thing about the bear is you'll see some bear droppings or bear scatter, bear shit here and there.
00:17:40.000But those bears out there are so tuned in on the salmon runs that they really don't spend a lot of time feeding in those areas because they're down 2,000 feet.
00:17:54.000Timberline there is like 1,800, 2,000 feet.
00:17:56.000They're down 2,000 feet lower In the river miles feeding on salmon.
00:18:01.000And we like to have that image of the bear grabbing a salmon out and he's all silver and shiny and healthy and floppy.
00:18:09.000But long after the runs are kind of done, they're down there just feeding on rotten fish.
00:18:52.000And it's sort of this weird phenomenon that they don't readily mix.
00:18:56.000You get in interior areas on the mainland where you have grizzlies and black bears coexist.
00:19:02.000Oftentimes, the grizzlies will dominate the salmon streams, and you'll have more black bears up high.
00:19:09.000So you could be standing on a mountain a couple thousand feet above sea level, and it's just black bears everywhere on top of the mountain feeding on blueberries, and you're looking down at primo salmon streams, but just big brown bears, big grizzlies down there.
00:19:22.000And they kind of hoard the spot and the black bears don't get in there.
00:19:47.000Yeah, because they don't want the grizzlies coming to the...
00:19:51.000The other baits, the baits they have out for the black bear, because if they do, they have to abandon that bait, because it's just too sketchy.
00:19:57.000They have some photos, some camera trap photos of these fucking enormous grizzlies wandering in.
00:20:29.000And just to back up for a minute, on Kodiak, if you map out a bear's diet, okay...
00:20:36.000A bear, a boar bear, a male brown bear, grizzly, you know, brown bear, on Kodiak, if you map out his annual diet, what he's tuned into in the spring are brown bear cubs.
00:21:33.000When we were in Alberta, one of the guys shot a bear late at night, and they didn't want to retrieve it because there was too many bears in the area.
00:22:13.000When we were up there, one of the bears, one of the boars, had attacked a sow, killed its cub, and left half the cub's body, and then the sow came back and finished it off.
00:23:53.000Obviously he's not making that calculation.
00:23:55.000He's probably just going like, I'm hungry.
00:23:57.000But an added benefit of it is apparently he might double back around and make love to the woman whose children he consumed.
00:24:08.000Well, dolphins actually have a strategy against that, because one of the things that a lot of people are not aware, we think of dolphins as being really sweet and kind, and they're nice to people, but dolphins, they eat their own babies.
00:26:00.000He would try to decipher those while he was on acid in his tank.
00:26:04.000And he eventually went off the deep end with really getting heavily into ketamine and all these weird tranquilizers and drugs and became actually addicted to ketamine.
00:26:16.000And that's when he lost all his funding.
00:26:18.000Nobody wanted to have anything to do with him when it came to this dolphin research anymore because they knew that he was doing that.
00:26:22.000And one of the women that he had hired to live with a dolphin, they had an apartment set up where it was underwater.
00:26:29.000It was essentially, to her, it was waist high in water.
00:26:32.000And she had a dolphin that she lived with for, like, six months in this.
00:26:36.000And she wound up, like, jerking the dolphin off.
00:27:01.000She might need a couple minutes to explain herself, man.
00:27:04.000But the podcast sort of focuses on dolphin communication and the difficulty that they have.
00:27:13.000Like, they know that the dolphins want to communicate with them, but they have that blowhole, and that's how they make their noise.
00:27:18.000So it's really hard for them to make noises that mimic human noises, because they don't really have the ability to make M's and T's and all these different kinds of things.
00:27:28.000Yeah, it's a completely different apparatus, man.
00:27:31.000So in the podcast, you hear her talking to the dolphin and the dolphin trying to imitate what she's saying.
00:27:41.000When you get into animal communication, so much of it becomes semantical or an argument of semantics where you'd say, well, we're the only thing with language.
00:27:52.000And people would be like, well, you know, actually, X, Y, and Z has something.
00:27:56.000Okay, well, I mean, we're the only thing with complex language.
00:27:59.000Well, some animals are actually able to convey fairly complex things, like there's a predator above us.
00:28:06.000And they're like, well, what I mean is they don't have syntax.
00:28:14.000It's like the verdict's still out, man.
00:28:16.000Animals do convey some complicated stuff.
00:28:19.000My two brothers are ecologists, PhD scientists, and they kind of hate the conversation because...
00:28:28.000Not resistant to, but they have a hard time with trying to use our terminology and use our language to describe what animals are up to.
00:28:36.000For you to say that the dolphin doesn't want to eat the baby because it might be his baby, someone might argue that that animal probably has no comprehension of that.
00:28:50.000Or even that they are not able to equate Sex with reproduction.
00:30:05.000We just moved to the Pacific Northwest, and so I keep talking to my kid about everything's got a killer whale on it, you know, like stores, grocery stores, whatever, just like a common motif.
00:30:14.000And I kept telling them it's a killer whale, it's a killer whale.
00:30:18.000And I know that a lot of people like to call them orcas, you know.
00:30:22.000And orca is some Greek word I think just means, cetitian just means whale.
00:30:34.000So I'm always telling my kid, oh, it's a killer whale.
00:30:36.000And one day my kid comes home, and he's just mad in hell because he learned that it's not a killer whale, it's an orca.
00:30:43.000And I'm like, listen, man, I know what the person who told you that is trying to tell you, and I already know that, but I told you killer whale not because I wasn't aware, because I was trying to circumvent I was trying to come back around against what you would inevitably learn about its PC name.
00:31:06.000You were, like, planting in advance, planting the seed.
00:31:09.000I was like, dude, it wasn't that I didn't know.
00:31:10.000I was just trying to fill you up with, just to open you to the idea that the animals get new names all the time, and it's just a PC. It's like a, what do you call it?
00:31:51.000Yeah, but I mean, I should say they're eating it while it's alive.
00:31:55.000They're biting chunks of its face off, and it's just so hard to watch.
00:31:59.000Because we think of these whales as being these beautiful creatures, and we think of...
00:32:02.000I don't know why we have this weird idea of killer whales as being these really noble creatures.
00:32:09.000Because I always think of killer whales as being the friend of man, and that's why when one does freak out at SeaWorld, it makes SeaWorld look so horrible.
00:32:16.000Because in the wild, there's almost no evidence whatsoever that whales have ever killed anybody.
00:32:21.000Yeah, but he's probably after a while, he's like, what am I supposed to kill then?
00:32:29.000The way I always equate it, one of the things I have a problem with zoos in general is that they don't allow animals to do their natural thing.
00:32:36.000I really think that what zoos should be is get all those motherfuckers together.
00:32:40.000You should have a giant piece of land if you're going to fence it in.
00:32:42.000Let them in there and let them run wild.
00:32:45.000And if people really want to see animals, what they should see is jaguars killing monkeys and the whole gamut.
00:32:51.000And it sounds fucked up, but that's really what the wild is.
00:32:54.000Because what we're doing by taking these animals and putting them in these weird cages, We're creating these closed-in ecosystems where these animals never have to compete, their food is given to them, and we're ruining their genetics.
00:33:07.000I mean, those animals that are in zoos, they're completely incapable of ever being reintroduced into the wild, unless you take them, and it would have to be some really exhausting effort to try to reintroduce them to the idea of hunting their own food or gathering their own food.
00:33:23.000But those fucking dummies that you have in the zoo, you've created these welfare monkeys.
00:33:34.000It's like expecting your dog to figure out how to go hunting when he's just sitting there wagging his tail waiting for you to open up a can of Alpo.
00:36:45.000There's a very limited number of tags for non-guided non-resident, which means that I would have to go...
00:36:53.000In lieu of a guide, because my brother's a resident of Alaska, I don't need to use a guide when hunting animals that you normally need to guide to hunt.
00:37:11.000And then when you told me about that show, I was bummed because I was like, now the odds of drawing that tag are probably going to for a long time go way, way, way down because there's probably going to be a ton of dudes putting in for the permit now.
00:38:14.000Again, that Tony Russ guy that wrote those books I was talking about, he's had an immense amount of experience and he kind of has a passage in there where he talks about the 1,000 pound bear and there just aren't a lot of them out there.
00:38:27.000As much as you read people getting 10 foot 1,000 pound bears.
00:38:31.000You and I laughed about this before because everyone that sees a mountain lion in the wild We're good to go.
00:39:00.000And then I noticed it had this big bouncy tail.
00:40:21.000I mean, if you didn't know any better, especially if it was thick woods and you saw that thing, you would fucking swear that that's a Bigfoot.
00:41:46.000If that's what happened to that bear, and I have no reason to think that it is, If someone came down and said, absolutely, that's what happened to that bear, I'd be like, then someone was doing an illegal trapping activity, because that's not something that would happen.
00:42:01.000Is it much more likely, because we're looking at a residential area that stood on something?
00:42:05.000When I used to trap, I used to do this all the time, is I can snap my hand in most traps.
00:42:13.000Because the trap has more of a function of, I mean, this is going to get all, you're going to probably hear from all kinds of your listeners, but It has a holding function.
00:42:44.000If you do things right, you rig them with a lot of swivels and things, and so what you're trying to do is really limit any kind of damage to the animal.
00:42:56.000The reason you want to limit damage to the animal is the animal's less likely to fight the trap.
00:43:01.000If you have a trap that causes nerve damage, bone damage, numbing, it's all the more chances that that thing is going to be working harder to get away.
00:43:13.000In the ideal case, you're just trying to hold it with a foothold trap.
00:43:21.000Yeah, people always say chew, but what they will do, and I've seen it happen, particularly with muskrats, which have very, very thin bones.
00:43:50.000I mean, things meet such weird ends and injuries.
00:43:57.000I've seen bears and I'm fairly convinced.
00:44:00.000On Prince of Wales Island, I've seen bears that I'm fairly convinced had been shot just because of the sort of like wear on the shoulder it happened, you know?
00:44:07.000Right, like it looked like someone just kind of hit its vitals.
00:44:28.000So it just keeps spinning until it gets out of there.
00:44:30.000So people say like a chew-out, but it's weird because people defending trapping will like to clarify that it's not actually a chew-off, it's a ring-off.
00:44:40.000But they're still cutting their own arm off by spinning around until the tissue breaks off.
00:45:33.000You check your traps on a very tight schedule.
00:45:37.000You rig them in such a way that you don't cause damage.
00:45:40.000That if you did get something else into your trap, you would be able to release that thing unharmed.
00:45:45.000But there are people who, for lack of caring, and there are people who, just for lack of technical expertise, screw these things up.
00:45:54.000And oftentimes, you could get violations like what would be like a trapping-based violation from someone who wouldn't self-identify as a fur trapper, but who just got mad about some bear or whatever getting into his dumpster, and then he takes matters into his own hands completely outside of the law and decides to fix that bear and inexperately set a trap for it.
00:47:27.000And you'll see where a dude will think he has something awesome, you know, and he's trying to sell it for a thousand bucks, and you look at it and be like, you can go buy those all day long.
00:47:37.000There's a comedy club in town called The Improv, and the front of the comedy club, at one time, they've abandoned it, but it was a barbecue place.
00:47:44.000And the barbecue place, they tried to make it, like, with old tools in the wall, like an old saw, like, you know, those wooden handle on each side.
00:47:53.000And you could look at it, and you're like, I know that shit is two years old.
00:49:24.000And I'm actively engaged right now in trying to move one of these slabs from Miles City out to Washington now so I can continue my now 12-year-long project of trying to turn me and the old man's tree.
00:49:35.000So anyways, I'm a sentimentalist when it comes to wood, just like yourself.
00:49:46.000But all the pieces I have together aren't as big as this desk we're sitting at, but it's still a nice, you know, big chunk.
00:49:51.000I have a desk that I bought in 1993. It's a writing desk, and it's got two levels.
00:49:56.000Like, one level, it's a very, it's old, it's oak, you know, but it's like, there was a place called the Writer's Store, and it was a store in Hollywood that was just all writing stuff.
00:50:05.000It used to have, like, script programs for old-school Macs, like, you know, the oldest computer.
00:50:10.000It means it's 1994 that I got this fucking thing.
00:50:12.000And I've written everything I've ever written on this one desk.
00:52:07.000I'll try to write as a joke, like thinking I'm standing on stage and, you know, set up punchline or beginning premise and then add in the jokes.
00:54:00.000One of the books I hold up is just like one of the, in my opinion, one of the finest books ever written is his book Great Plains, which is about the Great Plains.
00:54:23.000I read his stuff and had the opportunity to hang out with him a handful of times.
00:54:27.000He was saying that when he was growing up and he wanted to be a writer, he pictured that writers would be that you're sitting at a desk kind of chuckling to yourself as you You know, have all these fantastic ideas.
00:54:40.000But when I write, I get so few words written every day, and every sentence that I write takes...
00:54:48.000I have to write it and rewrite it and rewrite it so many times that there's never a thing where I feel like...
00:54:53.000There's never a thing where I feel like, holy smokes, I nailed it.
00:55:42.000I felt like, why can't I feel, like, I had it where I got, I was, like, talking about some funny stuff in my head and kind of writing down notes, and I thought of some way to actually, like, you're supposed to do in a best man speech, you're supposed to make it, like, hit right, like, hit the right note, right?
00:55:55.000It's funny and you're dogging on them, and then all of a sudden you turn it, you know, and it's sweet and nice, okay?
00:56:02.000And I found that turn, To make it sweet and nice.
00:56:05.000And it just struck me as being perfect.
00:56:09.000I was like, why can't the regular writing I do feel that way?
00:56:46.000And I learned more about writing and writers from reading this thing because it's just like really cool writers talking about the writing process.
00:56:54.000I'm sure he's probably hit one just within minutes.
00:57:14.000And this Twitter feed hits these quotes all day long.
00:57:16.000So I learn more about writers, even though I went to writing school and everything, I learn more about writers following that guy's Twitter account.
00:57:23.000And I do gather that some writers are blown away and have fun writing.
00:58:09.000I know exactly what you're talking about.
00:58:11.000When you're doing a television show, also, it's very different than most TV in that you're out there doing something that you enjoy anyway.
00:58:44.000So you could go out and have a great thing, and then you turn it in, and the editor nails it.
00:58:48.000So I can't go like, I made this amazing TV show, because it's like, there's the guy that produced it, the guys that shot it, the guys that edited it, right?
00:59:27.000And 80-90% is a handful of other people who are throwing in on it.
00:59:33.000Nobody works harder than people who work on your show.
00:59:36.000Like those camera dudes, like Dodie and Moe and all those guys who have to fucking sleep in tents in the back of that fucking van where the llamas piss and...
01:00:51.000I was shocked to hear like one time some guy was coming out with this and I knew it was going to be trouble because he's coming out and he's asking about what the hours are.
01:01:05.000When you're sleeping on the ground in Montana and it's zero degrees outside and you're fucking huddled up in your tent, you're kind of working still.
01:02:00.000I don't think they go like, oh now I'm going to work.
01:02:02.000I think that they think of their lives more, their lives don't seem to, I don't think they think of their lives as having like, it's like, now I'm at work, now I'm at home, now I'm at work, now I'm at home.
01:02:09.000I think like at home they're thinking about work stuff.
01:02:19.000Well, it was funny because Mo and I had a conversation once about another show that he was working on and one of the guys that was on the other show.
01:02:25.000And he was taking great pride in describing what a coward this guy was.
01:02:31.000And it was not even great pride, but he was enjoying it.
01:02:36.000He was talking about it, but it was like, here's a guy.
01:02:41.000That's been working on your show for several seasons and he's fucking undergone some horrendous locations and climbing to the top of fucking mountains while carrying a 50 pound camera and the whole deal.
01:02:52.000I mean, these fucking cameras are no joke.
01:02:53.000And hiking, just carrying a gun hiking is difficult.
01:02:57.000There's all this sliding of the ground underneath you, and you're constantly going up, up, up, and you're, you know, essentially, like, you're doing, like, little mini squats all day long, and it's exhausting, and these guys are doing it with one arm holding a fucking camera.
01:04:48.000TV and outdoor TV. It was like a thing you would always hear is friends of mine, guys I respected, would kind of be sort of dismissing outdoor television as a genre.
01:04:59.000But the thing was always like, but Shockey's legit.
01:07:07.000But there's that show, your show, and then the rest of them.
01:07:10.000There's some of them that look like they're made with a home movie camera and it's like a guy who's never even thought about making a show.
01:07:18.000There's a guy I was talking to who makes the hunting show and one day we were talking and I was shocked to hear that he's a registered nurse who has a full-time job at a hospital.
01:07:40.000Some of them, too, it's like there's some of them that are the same show always, which is so bizarre.
01:07:46.000Yeah, that's the thing we have a conversation about is I wanted to go back and film next spring and I have a black bear permit for this regulatory year, which extends into next spring, for Prince of Wales.
01:08:01.000I wanted to go back, and Doty was saying, we did a show out there on Prince of Wales last spring.
01:08:30.000And Doherty was like, I just feel like anything we could have done out there, we've done.
01:08:34.000And on one hand, I'm like, yeah, that's right.
01:08:35.000We probably shouldn't go and do a show, an episode in the same place doing the same thing.
01:08:40.000But on the other hand, I'm like, Bahamut, because some shows all it is, they don't do anything but hunt some lease they have for white-tailed deer.
01:08:51.000The whole show is looking at camera photos from camera traps and them talking about the different stands that they have set up and then them up in the stand with a bow and arrow waiting for a fucking deer to come by.
01:09:31.000You learn stuff about wind and placement and trails they walk and their behavior, like how they can kind of anticipate where they're coming through and how to pay attention to their trails.
01:10:46.000Like, the one time that you went and you were elk hunting in Montana and, you know, you were on your way after an elk and you see another fucking hunter that's doing the same thing.
01:10:56.000So you spend most of your time wondering about what other guys are doing and trying to capitalize on that or trying to anticipate the response of animals to that pressure, you know?
01:11:10.000Next week we're going up to hunt moose up in the Brooks Range, you know, and it's one of the, you know, absolutely the most, one of the most remotest places, the most remote place in North America.
01:11:20.000And up there it's like, there's really no, you don't have to factor in effects of other individuals.
01:11:28.000You're just thinking about the animals, which is fun.
01:11:31.000It's very rewarding, but it's just not what most people are up against.
01:11:35.000When I was a kid and we were hunting whitetails, we really planned on people.
01:11:41.000It was very important about where other guys were, what other guys' hunting schedules was like.
01:11:48.000There's a guy we knew that would always say, if I see your guy's truck...
01:11:56.000Coming down the driveway to the farm, I always go over to such and such place because I know that the way you guys move into your blinds, you're likely to bump a deer down such and such fence line.
01:12:07.000So this guy's thinking about deer, sure, but he's thinking about it through the context of human activities.
01:12:13.000So deer being scared by you into an area.
01:12:15.000Yeah, he's like, you guys got that blind down in that area, and I know every time you go in there, you don't realize it because you're a dumbass, but when you go in there, you're bumping deer and they're going down that fence line.
01:12:23.000So if I see your truck coming, I'm going to run over there.
01:12:28.000And like elk, when I lived in Montana, our opening day plan was generally find out where elk are, where they've been for a couple weeks, and so the people will know they're there.
01:12:42.000How are they going to leave that area within three minutes of legal shooting light on opening day?
01:12:48.000And what saddle are they going to use when they pass out of that valley?
01:12:53.000And you would pretty much plan that would be your thing.
01:12:57.000I know that they're going to get bumped probably before legal light.
01:13:00.000And where are they going to go after that?
01:13:02.000I got a friend who has for the last 20 years been killing elk by.
01:13:10.000He knows the spot that elk move into when they get pressured.
01:13:14.000And he knows that some people can find these elk with spotting scopes.
01:13:18.000And they'll find these elk on this mountainside.
01:13:20.000He knows that there's no way to approach these elk on this mountainside without spooking them.
01:13:25.000When he sees the elk have moved into this area, he'll watch them with his spotting scope, waiting to see someone else try to climb up and put a move on these elk.
01:13:36.000When they start climbing up, when that guy sees them, he's going to go try to put a move on them.
01:13:41.000He'll go down and ambush those elk three miles away from there.
01:14:03.000We went elk hunting in Kentucky because the situation is very unique in that they've reintroduced, successfully reintroduced elk into Kentucky and instead of like what you're looking at a western hunt where you look at these great wide open spaces and timber and you can see them in the distance,
01:14:19.000instead you're looking at incredibly dense like We're good to go.
01:14:46.000And there's like the eastern forests, there's sort of like the cacophony of noise in an eastern forest that you lack in the west.
01:15:28.000I know that, for instance, I keep coming back around.
01:15:31.000You can tell I'm so excited about our hunt on Prince of Wales Island.
01:15:33.000I know my brother, who is an ecologist up there, that elevation band where Prince of Wales Island is, is sort of the richest marine environment.
01:19:45.000The weird thing about it is we could totally bring back way more than we have now, but you have a handful of interests that don't like that.
01:19:55.000Auto insurers generally don't like it.
01:22:18.000He started, the only vegetable he was interested in eating, I'm going to tell you this, was boiled cabbage.
01:22:24.000Because he's like, I only have so much muscle power in my jaw, and I can't waste any of my jaw muscle power on anything but chewing my elk up.
01:22:38.000So he would eat boiled cabbage and his elk.
01:22:49.000A buddy of ours got married one time and his bride's Neighbors were out of town during the wedding ceremonies.
01:22:59.000The bride's neighbor says, well, I'll open my house up if you got some out-of-town guests who need a place to stay because I'm on vacation anyways.
01:23:08.000So they give this house where it's just for the groomsmen to hang out.
01:23:14.000Me and my brothers were the groomsmen and some other guys, and so we get to stay in this house.
01:23:19.000During our stay, he has occasion, my brother Matt, has occasion to peek in the guy's freezer and sees in his freezer that he's got an elk he killed four years ago.
01:23:34.000And he has a moral crisis where he's like, is it worse to steal or is it worse to allow such a beautiful animal's flesh to go to waste when this guy inevitably...
01:23:49.000We'll declare this freezer burned and throw it away.
01:23:51.000Like if he was going to eat it, he would have ate it.
01:23:56.000So when we left, he had a bunch of that in his duffel bag and went home and ate it because he couldn't stomach the thought of that animal going to waste.
01:24:05.000Like his reverence for it is so high that he can't allow someone else to trifle with it.
01:24:13.000How many years is an animal good in a freezer?
01:24:21.000Okay, lean stuff like hooved animals, hooved game animals.
01:24:26.000If you trim away the fat, which we don't call fat, we call tallow, it's waxy.
01:24:30.000If you trim that stuff away and you either seal it with a vacuum sealer and then don't mess with the bag, like don't poke any holes in the bag so that the seal stays good and treat it very gently so that the seal stays intact.
01:24:48.000Or you wrap it in saran wrap and then wrap it in wax freezer paper.
01:24:54.000You could not Pepsi challenge that stuff if it was a year old against stuff that was a month old.
01:24:59.000What about two years, three years, four years?
01:27:36.000And I said, and we're cutting it up, and I'm saying to him on camera, I'm like, I'm telling you what, man, if a bear is going to have trichinosis, it's going to be him.
01:27:43.000And what I'm talking about was, Montana used to do free, they used to do free testing for trichinosis.
01:27:52.000So you could send in a, they asked for specifically a golf ball sized piece of the tongue.
01:27:58.000And you could send it into the MSU, and an MSU would send you the results on your bear.
01:28:03.000The first bear I ever sent in for testing was from a 17-year-old black bear.
01:28:42.000Legally, you're obligated to salvage the liver.
01:28:44.000So they sent a thing saying, we're not going to give you a new bear tag, but you're excusing if you want to discard the meat, you can discard the meat.
01:28:51.000And I was like, there's no way I'm going to do that.
01:28:53.000The only thing worse to me than getting trigonosis was throwing away this bear meat.
01:28:58.000So I just got a meat thermometer, a nice one, and ate the whole bear.
01:29:07.000And they told me, I read this thing, they did this study in Montana where these two counties in northwest Montana that have really high bear populations.
01:29:15.000It's Lincoln County and Sanders County.
01:29:17.000And they said that they've never tested a bear from those counties that was over six years of age that didn't have trichinosis.
01:29:24.000So trichinosis is just something like you're not born with it, right?
01:29:31.000You can track the disease, and then you wind up having those little cysts, the larvae in your muscle tissue, and it just is passed along through consumption.
01:29:39.000It's the reason you're supposed to cook pork to well done, and now it's not really that way anymore because they've gotten it out of domestic pork so much because when they stop feeding pigs restaurant slop, they really cut trichinosis out because what they realize is when they're feeding pigs restaurant slop,
01:29:57.000you're inadvertently giving them rats and mice I think?
01:30:40.000I'm explaining another interesting thing about black bear meat, how there's a lot of variability in black bear meat.
01:30:44.000Some are great, some are not so great.
01:30:46.000So I'm talking about when I kill a bear, I'm always really interested to get a taste of it to see if we're dealing with, if we got gold or bronze, right?
01:32:03.000You know, I'm not worried about your problem.
01:32:04.000So a couple of days later, I remember I'm like crossing the street and I'm like, God, that's a weird feeling in my back, you know, and it just got worse and worse and worse.
01:32:12.000And I eventually texted this guy and I'm like, what were you saying about muscle aches, dude?
01:34:36.000So out of the four of us that get sick, I go down and they say in severe cases, if it attacks your pulmonary system, if the larva attack your heart, there's a medication you take.
01:34:52.000I say, well, I'm just going to take the medication.
01:34:54.000And they're like, well, you know, you might not need to.
01:38:05.000Yeah, it was so tender and delicious, but I've cooked a bunch of it, just put it on the grill, just seasoned it and put it on the grill, and it's amazing how tough it is.
01:40:14.000There's a guy, you know, it's funny, I've never had it, but I've been arranging to have some because I drew a muskox tag for Nunavac Island this winter.
01:40:23.000And when you hunt Nunavac Island, if you draw that tag, you have to hire what's called a transporter.
01:40:28.000Because the only place to land is a Mikoruk on Nunavac, and it's a native village.
01:41:34.000So I've been encouraging him to make sure to have some, because I'd like to eat it when I come out, and I'd like to do a thing about that and hang out with this guy and eat walrus meat.
01:41:43.000And he says he's going to make sure to have some on hand.
01:41:45.000And are walruses, like when you hunt a walrus, you're allowed to eat the meat, but you're not allowed to hunt it.
01:41:53.000But if someone could give it to you, could you bring it back?
01:44:10.000When I had Lyme disease, I did tons of...
01:44:13.000I could have gotten an honorary PhD in Lyme disease after having Lyme disease, and then when I got trigonosis, I started reading everything I could find about trigonosis, but that just got better one day.
01:45:24.000It's just like not, you know, yeah, I think if you're in Hudson Valley, New York, you're going to walk in, they're going to be like, hell yeah, you got Lyme disease.
01:45:30.000But in some places, they're going to be like, eh, I don't know.
01:46:55.000I'm like, well, it's not there now, but it was there.
01:46:57.000And he keeps talking about this and that and the other thing, different symptoms he's having.
01:47:03.000We take him in three times, each time bringing up, I fear that this is what's going on with him.
01:47:08.000When we pull him out of the bathtub for whatever reason in the hot water, he's got these damn circles all over him, but they kind of go away.
01:47:19.000He'd take a sip of milk and his milk would run out the corner of his mouth.
01:47:22.000And we'd go in there like, holy shit, he's got Lyme disease.
01:47:26.000At this point, it's been going on for weeks, you know?
01:47:28.000And what's funny is, this place, his pediatrician has a newsletter, and they had a newsletter article that was about Lyme hysteria, about how everyone's so hysterical about Lyme, being like, don't really need to worry about it,
01:47:44.000you know, everybody's getting hysterical about Lyme, like it's the new bogeyman, you know?
01:47:49.000So in this altercation we have with the pediatrician, I'm like, I feel that your Lyme hysteria thinking and your Lyme hysteria article kind of colored your impression of what I'm telling you when we're coming and you're telling you, and we had to self-diagnose our child.
01:48:03.000At which point they said, I want to have someone else in the room during this discussion.
01:48:31.000You know, Dougherty, he was in the hospital with Lyme meningitis.
01:48:35.000Well, when I ran into you last time we went hunting together, you were really skinny, and I was like, dude, you look like you lost a lot of weight.
01:48:41.000I lost a ton of weight during all that.
01:48:42.000You told me the whole story behind it.
01:48:44.000I was even trying to drink milkshakes and stuff.
01:49:31.000When you go through treatment, like when I did the 28-day intravenous deal, they put a line that goes in your arm, up to your heart, and you inject these syringes in it.
01:49:38.000When you get done with that, you do not have those bacteria in your body anymore.
01:49:42.000If you go to a Lyme specialist and you tell a Lyme specialist, I have chronic Lyme, I met one.
01:49:48.000I tried to get in to see one of these Lyme specialists, and she said, I don't see chronic Lyme patients.
01:50:27.000But I've since then met other people who are very credible individuals, who are not hysterical people, who've been through various rounds of treatment, and they're not getting better.
01:51:13.000My friend's dad got it from getting vaccinated.
01:51:18.000They used to have a vaccination against Lyme disease.
01:51:22.000But the problem with it, a small percentage of people that got that vaccination would have some genetic marker that would make them predisposed to getting fucking Lyme disease from this vaccine.
01:51:33.000So this guy was terrified of getting Lyme disease, gets a vaccination against Lyme disease, got Lyme disease from the vaccination, and then they stopped making the Lyme disease vaccination.
01:51:42.000So this poor guy has fucking Lyme disease.
01:52:17.000I later read that in that area, in New York, in that area in Hudson Valley, they've done some stuff where 60 or 70% of the ticks have Lyme.
01:52:25.000And they used to chronicle 30,000 confirmed cases, you know, every year.
01:52:32.000I think last summer they were close to 300,000.
01:52:59.000I know that when you look at places that have it, you look at places that have a lot of deer, but I don't know if you had a third as many deer if you'd have higher or lower, if you'd have necessarily lower infection rates.
01:53:11.000But Doug Duren, who you know, I think last summer, twice he got put on the immediate antibiotics.
01:53:17.000Because now, when you find one of those ticks buried in you, if you go into a doctor, and if you're not weird about medication, the doctor's just going to give you a super heavy dose of antibiotics that kills it before it gets a hold of you.
01:53:30.000If you wait like I did, it gets into your nervous system.
01:53:34.000So I even had, for a day, I had amnesia.
01:54:07.000First, I took a big block, like a paragraph of text, and put it into Google to try to find how I cut and paste, how I managed to cut and paste an article on the subject I was supposed to be writing about into a Word document.
01:54:35.000Then I start thinking that one of the guys I work with, I thought this guy, Jared Andrew Kanis, who was near there, who works at ZPZ. I start thinking that he somehow is playing some joke on me where he came and wrote about what I was supposed to write about.
01:54:48.000On my desk, I also have a book, one of my favorite hunting books, called Hunt High by Duncan Gilchrist.
01:54:53.000And on it, I had written Mark Boardman, Vortex Optics.
01:55:34.000Came up, recognized a sport, recognized like a sporting goods, like a sports place called, I can't remember, it doesn't matter what it's called, like a sporting goods place.
01:55:43.000And called my wife and told her that's where I was.
01:55:46.000And then all of a sudden things started making more and more and more and more sense.
01:55:56.000We did an episode of that Joe Rogan Questions Everything show on Morgellons.
01:56:02.000Morgellons is this disease that most doctors dismiss.
01:56:05.000They think that the people that are saying they have this, that there's something wrong with them psychologically, that they have some sort of a psychosomatic issue, and that what they're really doing is scratching themselves until they create these abscesses.
01:56:18.000And then sometimes even putting things in their skin and then claiming that these things have been growing out of their skin because they found like carpet fibers and stuff in their skin that these people sent in.
01:56:30.000But then when we went to these conferences where these people would meet that have this Morgellons issue, you realize you're also talking about some seriously educated people and some of them that are doctors.
01:56:40.000And one of the doctors that we talked to said there is a direct correlation between Morgellons disease and people who have Lyme disease.
01:57:21.000So when these doctors are examining these people and they say, oh, they're crazy, they think that carpet fibers are growing out of their skin.
01:57:28.000No, they have Lyme disease, and the Lyme disease, along with all this other shit, is causing this neurotoxic effect, and that is what's making them think that there's something wrong out of their skin.
01:57:38.000So it's not that they're just crazy, it's that they have a disease that's making them go crazy.
01:57:43.000And that was pretty illuminating, because this guy was talking about seeing things, seeing worms underneath his skin of his eyes when he was looking in the mirror, and he goes, and I knew it wasn't there, but I'm seeing it anyway.
01:57:55.000And he goes, I could feel it moving across my eye, but then there was nothing there.
01:57:59.000And he's like, and it was pretty clear to me as a doctor that there was something going on with my mind that had a direct correlation between this disease.
01:58:08.000So all these people that have this Morgellons, they also have this Lyme disease.
01:58:12.000You know, I don't know if Dan Doty told me about this, but he all of a sudden has this excruciating neck pain.
01:58:19.000And he goes down to an emergency room.
01:58:21.000This is the same time this is going on with me.
02:00:36.000I thought, oh man, again, I thought I was going to die.
02:00:38.000So anyways, I just had like, just the weirdest stuff.
02:00:42.000Dodie, I keep bringing up Dodie, but Dodie's like, you need to go to a shaman.
02:00:46.000Because he thinks that there's some thing, like, I need to have, like, there's some sin I committed against the universe or something, and it's like, he thinks I need to go to a shaman to get right.
02:00:56.000Doty did too much DMT. He did too much DMT. Trust me, you can do too much.
02:01:02.000You gotta be careful with that fucking ayahuasca.
02:01:07.000That whole shaman thing is a real trip.
02:01:11.000You know, the whole going to the jungle and taking that medication and having these spiritual experiences, it'll get you convinced that everything's all tied together and that somehow or another you've committed some sort of a sin against the universe.
02:01:38.000And the DMT experience is essentially what ayahuasca is is an orally active version of DMT. Because the Amazon shaman and the people- What is derived?
02:01:51.000I don't know the first thing about this stuff.
02:01:53.000DMT is dimethyltryptamine and it exists in thousands of different plants.
02:01:57.000And the reason why you don't get it, like you don't get high when you eat it, is because your stomach produces monoamine oxidase.
02:02:04.000So monoamine oxidase, what you need to do is take an inhibitor so that you could get it in an orally active form.
02:02:12.000So most of the time, when most people get DMT, what they're getting is a synthesized version where they've taken Cochia viridis or all these different plants, they've extracted it down to the DMT and then you smoke it.
02:02:50.000But if they find the powder, if they find it synthesized and turned into a powder that you could smoke and freebase, then it's illegal, and then it's a Schedule I drug.
02:02:59.000But it exists in your own human neurochemistry.
02:03:06.000The Amazon shaman have figured out a way to take the vine of one plant and the leaves of another, and they boil them together.
02:03:15.000So essentially, they use harming, which is a natural MAO inhibitor, and they combine it with this plant, and they boil it into this potion, and that's what ayahuasca is.
02:03:23.000So it's DMT and an MAO inhibitor together in this elixir.
02:03:48.000I think you can, but the precursors of it are very tightly controlled by the DEA. Yeah.
02:03:54.000Like if they found out that you were buying a certain amount of this chemical that you would use to make the synthetic version of it, they would flag you.
02:04:15.000I don't remember the name of his company, but he sold all these legal plants.
02:04:19.000But the plants were all totally legal, but he sold them with the pretense that you could take these plants and extract DMT from them, and then he was arrested for that.
02:04:28.000Because he was putting A and B together for you.
02:04:35.000But even though what he was selling was legal, I think he got off.
02:04:38.000I'm kind of speaking out of school here, because it was a few years back, and I didn't totally pay too much attention to it, but it is in so many different sources.
02:04:51.000Well, it's a human neurotransmitter and an incredibly potent drug that's also the most transient drug ever exists or one of the most transient drugs ever observed.
02:05:01.000So if you get, like if say if you smoke DMT, like I did it, like I said last week, you're blasted to the center of the universe for about 15 minutes and then you're back to baseline.
02:05:12.000Like you're completely sober in 15 minutes.
02:05:16.000Your body knows exactly what to do with it because it's such a normal part of your chemistry that your body can bring it back to baseline within minutes.
02:05:29.000And the weirdest aspect of it is while you're blown out, like blown out in this intense psychedelic state, you immediately think, I'm here all the time.
02:05:42.000It's completely alien but yet familiar at the same time.
02:05:46.000So Doty, in all those ayahuasca experiences that he had when he was talking about all these flashbacks, all this craziness, what happens is you open up this...
02:05:55.000It's a weird effect where if you do DMT and you have these powerful experiences, you open up this door.
02:06:01.000And I don't know what the chemical effect of it is or what the mechanism is, but something happens when you open up that door where you can open up that door again, even in a dream.
02:06:14.000And so the speculation is that what happens when people have, like, near-death experiences, when people have alien abduction experiences, when people have these crazy things they say happen to them, most likely what it is is some sort of a weird endogenous dump of DMT. Like,
02:06:31.000you know how something can happen to you when you get this crazy adrenaline rush?
02:06:35.000They believe it's possible that something can happen to you when you get a crazy DMT rush.
02:06:40.000That it's very difficult to access, but that it's a function of the brain.
02:06:45.000And it's causing you to, for lack of a better word, it's causing you to trip.
02:07:49.000The mandala of all the different psychedelic experiences, the center of it, literally the fucking point zero, the event horizon of that is DMT. So do you feel like...
02:08:03.000To do it, do you feel like you're being recreational or constructive?
02:09:04.000It's like they sort of explain to you the wasted paths that you're taking with your thinking and your mind and then even with your actions.
02:09:13.000So how long do the 15 minutes feel like?
02:10:23.000It's so cliched and annoying when they say it, but there's wisdom in it, unfortunately.
02:10:28.000There's just so many of these fucking fake spiritual people that clog up all these words and they ruin some of these definitions because, you know, oh, just be in the moment, find your center.
02:10:43.000Like, I used to take yoga from this guy that was a total bullshit artist.
02:10:46.000He was a good yoga instructor but he was intoxicated by the fact that he was teaching yoga and that all these people came to him and his ego would feed off of this yoga class to the point where he would say all these things and you would see people roll their eyes like my wife used to hate him because he was so cheesy.
02:11:06.000And he would kind of hit on the ladies that would be there, and he wound up fucking some dude's wife, and it was like a disaster.
02:11:12.000Left his wife, and she left her husband, and now they're miserable together.
02:11:32.000Or they're claiming to be enlightened when really they're just a student on the path and maybe they have some good ideas along the way to enlightenment, but they're not quite there.
02:12:09.000He's clearly not a spiritual, enlightened guy, but he's the head of this whole Bikram movement, which is filled with all these pseudo-spiritual people.
02:12:20.000You know, I was sitting there one day reading a book, reading Al Sharpton's most recent book.
02:13:25.000There was a guy once that was on this radio show that I was listening to that was the head of a corporation that was approached by Jesse Jackson.
02:13:32.000Because something had gone on, something where racial insensitivity, they had been accused of something that was racially insensitive.
02:13:43.000So Jesse Jackson came on, and essentially the pitch was, you are going to hire my company to give seminars on racial sensitivity, and it's going to cost you a quarter million dollars a year, and if you do not, we are going to protest you,
02:13:59.000we're going to make it miserable, we're going to cost you far more than you would spend to have my company come in, the Rainbow Coalition, or whatever the fuck it was.
02:14:28.000Like, he wanted to have shrimp cocktail.
02:14:31.000Like, Jesse Jackson had all these very specific demands as far as the kind of food, the amount of food that he was to be given, what was supposed to go on, what kind of car he was supposed to be picked up in.
02:14:43.000And, you know, you look at Reverend Jesse Jackson.
02:15:22.000Then there's a really horrible chapter where he talks about how his role in comforting Michael Jackson's family upon Michael Jackson's death, where he sort of presents himself as the great hero.
02:16:32.000I mean, he represented a woman who made up a fake allegation of being raped by white people and wrote things on her body, and it turns out none of it happened.
02:16:40.000She just made it all up, and he was demanding...
02:16:43.000You know, justice and all this crazy shit.
02:16:45.000And he was, you know, on every television show and all throughout, you know, the news cases and all this different shit.
02:16:53.000And it turned out that what he was doing was just based on nothing.
02:17:06.000Yeah, I can't tell you whether I read that in this book or whether one of the many people who saw me reading the book and had to come up and give me their two cents on the subject told me that.
02:17:14.000Well, it's amazing that the guy became famous for demanding justice for something that never took place.
02:17:21.000Where it's a perfect representation of who he is.
02:17:24.000And also how bizarre our sensitivities are to race.
02:17:29.000That this fucking clown is on MSNBC or CNBC or whatever the fuck he is giving his opinions on all these different things and his opinions are brutally dumb.
02:17:38.000When he has to communicate, when he has to debate people who are intelligent or have nuanced opinions on these subjects, his clear and obvious bias and his cookie-cutter idea of racism in America.
02:17:53.000Racism is a real issue, without a doubt.
02:17:55.000But having a guy like that represent the black community almost fosters racism.
02:18:01.000It's almost like if I was a racist and I wanted to make sure that people had a negative opinion of black people, I would take the most clownish cartoon versions of black leaders and feature them prominently on television in order to reinforce...
02:18:14.000Reinforce these ideas of these cartoonish figures being, this is what represents the black community.
02:18:22.000Instead of getting a Neil deGrasse Tyson, a Cornel West, instead of getting these super intelligent, very articulate people with broad perspectives, you get this goofball with fucking conked hair and a stapled stomach.
02:20:11.000Because also, he made it very accessible.
02:20:13.000This version, the story of Giordano Bruno, I think that's his name, the guy who was burned at the stake for suggesting that the universe is infinite.
02:20:40.000He made an animation of it, which is fantastic.
02:20:43.000He also made an animation form, which you'd be interested in, showing how wolves became dogs.
02:20:49.000And over the course of human civilization evolving, how these wolves who had become friendly with people had eventually gotten to the point where the people were feeding them and the wolves stayed close and then those wolves had slowly but surely morphed into dogs.
02:21:22.000I mean, all you need to do is look at what they've done with dogs.
02:21:26.000You know, the time that human beings have been, I mean, what is, the established timeline for agricultural civilization is, what is it, 10,000 years or something like that?
02:22:32.000There's probably, like, I'm sure there's great stuff written about it.
02:22:35.000But, you know, like, they had, so when the first Americans migrated into North America, they were traveling with a domestic version, you know, something that had been domesticated for quite some time, a domestic version of the Eurasian wolf.
02:22:53.000And then they came down and here you had a number of wild canines, you know, wolves, which the animal they were traveling with could breed with wolves.
02:23:04.000You now find that in certain cases, wolves and coyotes, they don't, I don't think they...
02:23:30.000Because by the time Lewis and Clark...
02:23:32.000When Lewis and Clark were out and they were eating dogs with Plains tribes, those dogs weren't showing...
02:23:39.000There hadn't been dogs that came from Europe, from colonists, hadn't put dog blood into the dog blood, and they came and they had a dog that looked like...
02:23:51.000What they now call in Vietnam like a meat dog.
02:23:59.000There was a recent thing where they've done a genetic study on certain hybrids where they've found a hybrid that's part coyote, part wolf, and part domestic dog.
02:24:20.000They feel that there was hybridization events of wolves and coyotes that gave you a bigger coyote in the East and you have smaller coyotes in the West.
02:24:29.000Yeah, this is from the Washington Post.
02:24:33.000Coyote-wolf hybrids are prowling Rock Creek Park in D.C. suburbs.
02:26:12.000I'm telling you, I don't mean to say I was on this story long ago, but my entire life...
02:26:19.000This debate about where mountain lions that turn up in the east, or where wolves that turn up in weird places, my entire life has been this battle between people who be like, oh, it's escape pets.
02:27:17.000My whole life has been going on, and now, finally, I mean, the guys that have been pushing for this forever finally got to feel a lot better.
02:27:23.000Now that through tracking devices, we're able to go like, yeah, a wolf decided one day, You know, to leave there and go down.
02:27:30.000There's a grizzly that one day decided to mosey out of the Rockies and made it out into eastern Montana.
02:27:35.000You know, there's an elk that did a...
02:27:37.000Usually it's, you know, usually these wide-ranging predators.
02:29:05.000My brother Danny was hunting spring bears one time and saw wolverines digging through the debris field at the base of an avalanche looking for critters that got swept up in the avalanche.
02:29:15.000I've got a handful of friends that have seen one.
02:29:18.000Just badgers and wolverines, those types of animals are so bizarre.
02:29:23.000Dude, I was driving down the Hall Road, the Trans-Alaska Pipeline Road.
02:29:29.000And, you know, if you're on that road, like the road that parallels the Alaska Pipeline, Dalton Highway, if you're on that road and you go west, you're not going to, you know, depending on your line of travel, you won't hit another road until you're in We're good to go.
02:31:50.000Plotting and these bears come out and they haven't eaten anything in months because they've just been hibernating but they see these moose and they can't help but kill them.
02:31:59.000So they just go on these rampages killing every moose they find and just leaving their carcasses because they can't really handle meat yet.
02:32:06.000Yeah, but they like to have the opportunity at it.
02:32:30.000And that's something people used to not realize about Black bears is the high rates of fawn mortality you get from black bears on elk, moose, deer.
02:32:41.000It doesn't seem like they really go after the healthy adults under normal circumstances, but they really find out that black bears just turn up and hit animals.
02:32:50.000Calves and fawns in a way that no one ever thought before.
02:34:16.000So we're just, there's like a tree that's fallen, and we're set up behind this tree, and we're watching these fucking, you know, six, seven-foot brown bears going to war right in front of us.
02:34:26.000I mean, no more than 30, 40 yards away.
02:34:29.000Yeah, and you gotta be wondering, like, in the middle of this fight, all of a sudden he comes rolling over and there's your ass sitting there.
02:34:38.000I remember being such a little kid, one of my earliest memories, not earliest memories, but I remember being a little kid, and my dad got a phone call one night.
02:34:45.000One of his hunting buddies was sitting on a bear bait with his bow.
02:34:50.000And a sow came in with cubs and smelled them and shooed her cubs up a tree, but they went up past him in the tree, and then they started squealing and balling up there, and she came up and mauled his legs.
02:35:24.000And I don't know to what extent, but your typical black bear can get itself up a tree.
02:35:30.000She went up a tree, the one that we saw, she went up a tree a little bit, but only maybe 5 or 6 feet where her kids went like, shit, they were 50 feet up.
02:35:39.000Yeah, I'm sure it depends a lot on the circumference of the tree and whatnot, but for sure.
02:37:04.000I was calling turkeys one time and had a bear come behind me.
02:37:10.000You know, like predators, when you're calling turkeys in the spring, you're making hen noises to track males, track the toms, but predators will come to that noise.
02:37:20.000And I had a bear come in behind me that I never heard until I heard it breathe.
02:38:17.000And at one point I wake up, because I hear a noise, and I wake up and there's a black bear standing there, and he goes off down this ridge line.
02:38:25.000I'm sorry, it just goes down off the ridge down toward the valley floor.
02:38:29.000That night, we headed out to go hunt elk, and we happened to go in the direction that the bear went.
02:38:39.000I had filled my bear tag, but he still had a bear tag.
02:38:41.000And as we're walking, I hear the noise of its claws on the bark.
02:38:47.000Like a real loud, you know, like barks falling and scratching.
02:38:50.000You can imagine what a cat would sound like or something, scratching up something.
02:38:55.000I'm like, that must be that black bear.
02:38:57.000So we go hauling ass up the tree thinking that we'll maybe get the bear up the tree and be able to check it out.
02:39:05.000But we run up there and it's not a black bear.
02:39:07.000It's a sow grizzly standing there and she's got two cubs that are about four or five feet up this tree and she's standing there at the base of the tree and she woofs at us like a dog.
02:39:20.000And those cubs come down the tree and we're just standing right there, man.
02:39:24.000You can never say it was close to getting scratched unless you got scratched because you don't know what's in the animal's head.
02:39:30.000But reviewing it in my head, that was a very sketchy moment.
02:39:36.000The last thing you're supposed to do is mess with their cubs.
02:39:39.000And here we are just running up on there.
02:39:41.000And when she got those cubs down out of the tree and they started going up the hill away from us, she was taking her paw and moving the cubs with her paw.
02:39:55.000The same way when you're trying to get your kids to go where you want, your eyes have got your hand on their head or you're somehow trying to guide them.
02:40:18.000I just read that not a single bowhunter has been killed by a grizzly bear You know, while bowhunting, even though bowhunters get scratched up all the time, like every year there's some guy getting scratched up.
02:40:28.000Not a single bowhunter's been killed by a grizzly bear in at least 20 years.
02:40:53.000You've got to get so close with a bow, man.
02:40:56.000It's one thing being a stand and waiting for a whitetail to walk underneath you, but to creep up on a fucking giant 9-foot bear that's outside...
02:41:06.000You've got to get within 30-40 yards of this thing to get an accurate shot on it.
02:41:10.000And it's windy and everything there, but...
02:41:12.000Now, in that show, when they're doing that, this happens a lot, but I know that shows don't show it, and outdoor writers don't write about it.
02:41:24.000But oftentimes, very often, I can't say it's the majority of the time, but a very common practice when a guy's bowhunting brown bears is the minute that arrow makes contact with that bear, the guy's lighting it up with a 375 H&H. So they'll shoot it with a gun right after the- The minute that arrow hits.
02:41:47.000I mean, I saw that on a show, it was a bow hunting show, where this guy shot a fucking elephant with a bow, and the elephant turned, and he was like, fuck you, and the elephant starts running him, and boom, they shot him in the head with a rifle.
02:42:01.000And he's going to call that, I hunted an elephant with a bow.
02:42:40.000And then they go in those alders and you don't want to lose them.
02:42:43.000You don't want to go in there after them.
02:42:44.000So as long as you take the initial shot, they consider you shot that bear, and then everybody else shoots it afterwards.
02:42:49.000And the guide, you know, or whoever can do a follow.
02:42:51.000I really didn't like watching them shoot the elephant.
02:42:53.000There's something to me about shooting some animals where it's like, I don't get it.
02:42:58.000Like, I don't know why you would travel all the way to Africa to shoot an elephant with a bow while these people behind you rifle it, and you're calling that bow hunting.
02:43:08.000I couldn't shoot an elephant just because I don't have a context with the animal.
02:45:00.000I remember reading one time, and this explained this to my brother the other day when I was talking about this conundrum I'm in, where I was reading about a guy who was describing the hunt for monkeys.
02:46:10.000What I couldn't see is going there with a purpose to go shoot a monkey.
02:46:14.000I guess if I was there experiencing what it is like for them, and also if they offered me a monkey, like if it was part of like, you're taken into their home and they're cooking you a meal and they ask you, you know, they serve you what they eat, maybe then I would eat it.
02:46:30.000Yeah, no, there's no way I'd shoot a monkey.
02:46:33.000And by saying that, I don't think that one shouldn't be allowed and whatever, you know, it just depends on the consensus of biologists in whatever area, whether they can warrant it or not, but no, I wouldn't.
02:46:45.000Yeah, I couldn't either, but I know that they have issues with baboons and people.
02:46:50.000Dude, in Africa, it's just like, I guess, I can't get it, but in Africa, you get the sense that people view baboons almost like how you might, like, I hate to say it, but you might look at raccoons and opossums that are getting into your dumpster.
02:47:19.000And I'm like, why don't you shoot a baboon?
02:47:20.000And he's like, they actually encourage you to shoot as many baboons as possible because they're overpopulated and they're really dangerous.
02:47:25.000That's what friends of mine told me, man.
02:47:27.000Do the guys in Africa eat the baboons?
02:48:20.000If I lived in some areas, there's some areas of western Massachusetts that are so flooded with deer, I would definitely have one of those crazy bumpers on my truck.
02:48:29.000You know, they have those crazy big steel bumpers.
02:48:35.000Yeah, there was one of them that we were pulling up photos of the other day of 18-wheelers that they have these giant ones they put over the front of their trucks because deer are so common in a lot of these areas where they're transporting stuff, and they had one where this deer had just...
02:48:49.000It hit it, and the guard did its job, but the fucking entire truck was just painted with blood, you know, because it was going 65 miles an hour, and you hit an animal.
02:49:00.000It vaporizes in such a disturbing way.
02:49:03.000I recently wrote a thing about this on the meat-eater show.
02:49:07.000Show website where I was talking about these recent controversies where someone will go and kill an African animal, kill a lion, pull a picture of a lion.
02:49:16.000By the way, tell people where they can get that because I loved your perspective on it and I loved one of the things you pointed out about you've seen all these things where people are getting pissed off, these pretty girls that are going over there and shooting these animals.
02:49:53.000Like, whatever you want to determine about the legitimacy of hunting in Africa should really have nothing to do with the gender of the hunter.
02:50:13.000Go to themeater.com, you'll find the article.
02:50:16.000But the point I make is, when people look at someone posing with an African animal, like a lion, I think people look at it and they feel like they see a dead movie star.
02:52:08.000And I think that's one, as far as conservation goes, I think that's one thing that conservation organizations that are based off of specific animals will always tell you is that they're looking at, like, apex or keystone, cornerstone species.
02:52:22.000So, like, a group like the National Wild Turkey Federation or the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, they'll point out, they'll be like, yeah, this is about elk.
02:52:37.000It's one of the most demanding, least tolerant things.
02:52:39.000And so if you preserve elk wintering habitat, you're also, at the same time, preserving the habitats of so many other species.
02:52:48.000And you might not say the same thing about if you went and preserved the habitat of some animal with a more restricted home range or something.
02:52:58.000It might not blossom outward to offer protection for all these other things.
02:53:02.000So that's one way in which the charismatic megafauna thing winds up playing out is people go like, yeah, but by helping him, I'm helping everybody.
02:53:10.000So I'd like to have something for my calendar.
02:53:12.000People have that aversion to trophy hunting.
02:53:15.000That's one of the other things that drives people nuts about Africa is that people are going over there for bloodlust.
02:53:21.000They're going over there just to kill.
02:53:22.000They want to stuff it and put on their wall this beautiful animal that should just be observed and appreciated for what it is.
02:54:22.000And this is coming from a guy who's never hunted in Africa.
02:54:25.000But so much of the controversy about Africa is that people are going there and killing animals just for the head and bringing them home.
02:54:35.000In that way, you're probably trivializing the experience, but you're also not really looking at the broad picture of how game gets managed there and the importance that the commodification of wildlife plays in Africa, where here we have publicly owned wildlife.
02:54:52.000And we have a really stringent system where we can legally protect stuff.
02:54:57.000But in Africa, there's a great argument to be made for if it wasn't for the value of those animals to Westerners, if it wasn't for the hunting industry, those animals wouldn't be in those places where they are.
02:55:09.000They literally didn't have those animals there before.
02:55:12.000There's way too many forces and factors that would have led to those being ravaged ecosystems, hunting from people who are starving or who are wanting to graze livestock in those areas.
02:55:26.000And the fact that you bring in a currency...
02:55:29.000And you monetize them, enables people to preserve these large tracts of land and have animals on there.
02:55:35.000So you can look at, like, what is Joe Blow's motivation?
02:55:39.000Joe Blow's motivation might be he thinks it'd be sweet to have a zebra hide on his floor.
02:55:45.000And you can condemn Joe Blow for thinking that.
02:55:48.000But you really, to be fair, you have to look at the impact of That money that he spent to get it has on the broader economy and on the wildlife politics of that place.
02:56:01.000So it's way more complicated than what any one individual's motivations were.
02:56:10.000And I'll tell you what, I've had my share of looking at...
02:56:14.000Pictures of guys hunting in Africa and being like, dude, you just went out and paid someone and he showed you that.
02:56:18.000And you're like, well, that's what one of those is and shot it.
02:56:21.000I've felt that a thousand times looking at those pictures.
02:56:23.000But it's one of those things that the more I've learned about it and spoke to people who've gone there and read about it, the more I've come to admit that, you know what, what's going on in Africa is vastly more complicated than what you're going to get From reading about internet controversies,
02:56:53.000Louis Theroux has a documentary about African hunting camps where he kind of goes into great detail with these guys that run these camps about how these animals...
02:57:01.000They essentially wouldn't be there if it wasn't.