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00:11:26.000Outdoor Channel, it's called Solo Hunter.
00:11:28.000And you go out there, you and I've seen the ones with Remy Warren as well.
00:11:33.000And by yourself, just bring cameras, go to these remote locations, hike in, set up the cameras, and you're using your own cameras, you're like setting up the shots while you're aiming.
00:11:46.000Like you're getting ready to shoot the animals, and you're setting everything, like you've got little handheld things here, and GoPros, and...
00:12:18.000And actually, it makes me a better hunter because I find that I'm a lot more patient and a lot more relaxed about it and more deliberate in my hunting.
00:12:24.000So it's not just like, oh, I got a rifle.
00:12:26.000All I got to do is get within 400 yards.
00:12:28.000It's like, no, I got a rifle and I got a camera and I got this.
00:12:30.000So I feel like I hunt better, but the actual success rate of killing and getting it on film and that kind of thing, it's a lot harder.
00:12:39.000Is it like, would you say you're like half as successful?
00:12:58.000I mean, it's what I do, but it's hard.
00:13:00.000It makes it to where it's not just a hunt anymore.
00:13:03.000It's a hunt that I'm trying to document, and then now when you look at it and you're trying to actually produce something good that people are going to want to watch instead of...
00:15:21.000Yeah, it's funny when you look back at computers that were, you know, five, six, seven years ago.
00:15:26.000They were incredibly powerful and much more powerful than for, you know, the applications that most people use them for.
00:15:32.000I mean, most people have way overpowered computers.
00:15:34.000They're just going online, you know, and clicking on links and stuff.
00:15:37.000And they have these ridiculous computers that can edit and crunch video and, you know, do all kinds of massive calculations and they just never use it.
00:16:30.000They don't have to be the best produced shows.
00:16:32.000Not every shot has to be on a jib or on a slider or a rack focus or all that kind of thing.
00:16:38.000Capture the action and the entertainment.
00:16:40.000And that's where a lot of these productions miss out.
00:16:42.000But Uncharted is incredible from a production standpoint and from a...
00:16:46.000You know, almost like a modern doc, a modern documentary type of feel to it.
00:16:51.000Well, if you haven't seen it, Jim Shockey is this guy who's been around forever, this real kind of legendary, the great white hunter from BC, from British Columbia.
00:17:00.000And he goes all over the world, like, I mean, literally all over the world, like these really remote places in Pakistan.
00:17:22.000I mean, he's one of the true people that actually grew up in hunting environment, in not just hunting, but harsh country, doing it the right way and building an outfitting business.
00:17:33.000And it just happened to evolve into television career.
00:17:35.000I remember watching him on Realtree when he would do the little segment in the I think it was Realtree.
00:18:15.000I'm not interested in doing that, though.
00:18:16.000No, you know, and the hard thing that I would like to see, and I don't think it could ever happen, but like, can you imagine going to some of those places with somebody and actually experiencing it?
00:18:26.000And that's the thing that the cameras can't show you.
00:18:28.000They can't show you the actual experience because inevitably the guy behind the camera or the producer is wanting to bring drama into it.
00:18:34.000They're wanting to bring something out.
00:18:38.000And he may use a shot that the kid was doing dishes or something.
00:18:41.000And use it in a scene where something dramatic happened and the kid's crying because he was cutting onions or something.
00:18:47.000I mean, producers have a way of twisting things to make it look more glorified and more glamorous than it might have actually been.
00:18:53.000Well, that's one of the things about hunting shows.
00:18:55.000It hasn't happened where it has with reality TV. A lot of these reality TV shows are the furthest thing from reality that you could ever imagine.
00:19:05.000Every event's calculated from the beginning to the end.
00:19:08.000These shows are just drama shows, like bullshit, fake, fiction drama shows, that they don't have a necessary, they don't have a script, but they have an objective.
00:19:20.000Like, you and I are going, we're going to go buy Mexican food, and you're like, I fucking hate, but I hate Mexican food.
00:19:25.000And we have a conversation, and then, you know, we go to another place, like, how about this place?
00:19:53.000You know, and it's just, they're just bad shows.
00:19:56.000Most of them are just really bad shows.
00:19:58.000Whereas like, one of the things I like about your show and Rinella's show and a lot of these hunting shows is they're willing to show failure too, which is a big part of hunting.
00:20:06.000Oh, yeah, it's the majority of hunting.
00:20:08.000Yeah, I mean, you're doing something that's very difficult to do.
00:20:10.000You're going into a natural habitat that this animal lives in.
00:20:14.000You're trying to defy all of its natural instincts, its sense of smell, its incredible hearing, all these different evolved instincts that they have to keep them alive, and you're trying to creep up on them, and you're filming the whole thing.
00:20:28.000Well, I think what a lot of people may not look at, you know, and I get it sometimes, is like, Everything's wrapped around that moment of impact, that kill, you know?
00:20:38.000And especially when you're filming it by yourself, it's really hard to get that moment of impact and that moment of kill on there.
00:23:30.000When I go on a hunt for elk, the adventure, there's miles.
00:23:34.000Hundreds of miles that a person can go on in the west.
00:23:37.000And when you get up on some of these peaks, and you may have experienced on some of the stuff in Alaska, but you get up there and it's like, gosh dang, there's a lot here.
00:23:45.000There's so much country, and there's no limitation to how far you can go and what you do.
00:24:42.000Some of the coolest experiences that I've had in life have been when I'm by myself and go and do something just so totally random that...
00:24:49.000That nobody else would really even think about.
00:24:50.000I say shit, I shouldn't say nobody, but it's like, you know, in college, I'd drive home two hours to my folks' house, then I'd drive another hour up to the canyon.
00:24:57.000By the time I get to the trailhead, it's 11 o'clock at night, hike in for three or four hours, find somewhere to sleep, get up on top of the mountain, and I'm sitting there as the sun's coming up, and three wolverines come up, you know, and circle the lake.
00:25:10.000And it's like, back then, you know, in the 90s, there weren't Wolverines in Idaho there weren't supposed to be anyway I mean I was one of the very first or very few to actually see wild Wolverines in Idaho and it's like had I not been there by myself experiencing that in that canyon you know if there's other people or or other things those Wolverines might not have been as comfortable you know but because I was there by myself and I'm the only one there looking down over it I had that experience and there's there's a lot of opportunities like that that When
00:25:40.000you have someone else there, you're focused on the group.
00:25:42.000You're focused on your conversations, your buddies, your friends and everything.
00:25:46.000You're not really tuned in to what's around you.
00:25:48.000You're not tuned in to your surroundings.
00:25:50.000And so there's certain things that I think you miss out on when you've got other people there.
00:25:54.000And it's not that I don't enjoy that sometimes, but I feel like when I'm there Like, there's a connection.
00:26:02.000You know, there's a connection to the land.
00:26:03.000There's a connection to the environment.
00:26:05.000And, you know, you could bring all of it into it.
00:26:07.000If you're a hippie, you know, tree hugger, voodoo type person, you can bring in the nature and the gods and all that kind of stuff into the whole element.
00:26:15.000But that really and truly is what it is, is you're out there with no one but yourself and God and his creation.
00:27:34.000And it worked out great because it freed up our time where you and I could get together.
00:27:38.000But I know that Sunday, you know, as soon as I get out of church, I'm hauling butt up to Idaho and I'm going to start elk hunting for a week.
00:27:44.000So I'm going to have that, you know, eight to ten days of solace to really get back into it.
00:27:48.000But then at the end of that trip, it's going to be like...
00:27:51.000I've got nine hours to drive home and think about getting back into the daily life, you know, to regular world.
00:28:20.000I had Making a Good Living and everything, but this is the year that I wanted to take it another step and actually create a business of it.
00:28:28.000That's where I brought on Mark, and we started producing another show on Sportsman Channel called Off Grid Hunter and experimenting with that.
00:28:35.000And now it's like, you know, I've got two other sponsors that have come to me and said, hey, you know, you're doing a good job with the productions.
00:28:41.000We've been thinking about X, Y, and Z. Would you be interested in producing our shows for us and doing a few things?
00:28:46.000So I'm now branching and trying to grow the production side of it, as well as solidify the brand of Solo.
00:28:52.000Well, you do a really good job producing the show yourself.
00:28:56.000The way it's edited, it's interesting.
00:28:58.000It's not just, you know, here's a video camera that I turned on when I walked up to the top of the hill, like Blair Witch style.
00:29:04.000Like, you know, you cut in music and sound effects and there's a lot of close-ups.
00:29:14.000Yeah, you definitely edit things really well, and that's a big part of watching any kind of a show, to draw people in.
00:29:22.000But in that show in particular, you're telling a story, and your story is whatever animal you're chasing after, wherever you're going, you're entering into that environment, and then you're explaining your thoughts along the way.
00:29:36.000One of them I really liked was you alone.
00:29:42.000And, you know, you were, you know, stuck in the tent and it was raining outside.
00:29:47.000Yeah, see, and I had a guy with, I mean, people need to know, I had a guy with me and I said that right on the episode.
00:29:50.000There was another guy that had the tag, but, I mean, you're out there.
00:29:54.000You're out there in the middle of nowhere.
00:29:55.000Yeah, and because you're out there like that, because you're in this, like, intense, wild environment, you know, you get to...
00:30:04.000When you're talking about it and when you're expressing yourself to the camera, you're getting this kind of insight of what it's like to actually be there.
00:30:11.000For a lot of people, that's the closest they're ever going to come to being out there in the wild bush of Alaska chasing after a moose.
00:30:17.000So it makes it, there's like the solitude comes across on camera.
00:32:12.000No, Ted was right in the general area, because we were both hunting moose together.
00:32:20.000Have you ever been out there by yourself and had a situation come up where you're like, fuck, I might not be able to get out of here, like being injured or...
00:32:28.000You know, fuck your knee up or anything like that?
00:32:30.000Yeah, I jacked up my knee pretty good in New Zealand when I went to New Zealand to hunt with Remy.
00:32:36.000I had just killed my tar and was coming down off the mountain.
00:32:40.000And I mean, I wasn't very far from the bottom.
00:32:44.000But I stepped in this fern or something and just jacked my knee.
00:32:47.000And I remember falling, and I kind of blacked out there for a minute.
00:32:51.000And as I'm laying there, I'm thinking, I'm just like, please don't want to blow my knee out, you know?
00:32:56.000And I just laid there for like 30, 40 minutes until kind of the throbbing and the pain kind of went away.
00:33:01.000And then I was able to get up and kind of walk it off.
00:33:06.000That's probably what's the most dangerous is when you're hauling 100 plus pounds on your back and you're coming down rough country because I'm not going to go back up there and pack my camp out.
00:33:16.000So you're going to load as much weight as you can on your bag.
00:33:32.000People who have never gone hiking in these remote areas, especially when you're going after these mountain animals, whether it's elk or something like that, they probably don't understand how treacherous some of the tureen is.
00:33:46.000And you add into that the fact that you've got 100 pounds of meat packed onto your back...
00:33:50.000And you're probably going to have to do it several times, especially if it's an elk.
00:37:45.000See, my brothers and I, we had the reputation of breaking horses.
00:37:48.000So people would bring the wild Mustangs that they'd catch off the desert and stuff.
00:37:52.000Which I know now, living in Nevada, they're not that wild.
00:37:54.000But they'd bring us these horses that they'd adopt, thinking that they would make them as kids' horses or something, and we'd have to break these horses.
00:38:33.000What they tried to do is shoot it in the neck and hit that tendon.
00:38:37.000So with horses, a lot of times, like Western reigning horses and stuff, a lot of times they'll go in and snip a tendon in their neck to get them to keep their head level because I guess it's better for the...
00:38:46.000The horse reigns better and acts better and it's not going to flip his head up and flail its head.
00:38:52.000So the sharpshooter went in trying to shoot this horse in the tenon in the back of the neck to kind of just break him down so they could catch this horse because it was a big black and white tabino stallion that they wanted to catch.
00:39:22.000I have such a love and a passion for animals that I can't imagine that.
00:39:27.000Well, we were talking about that before the show, that it's a weird thing for people to hear when someone says they're a hunter, but they love animals.
00:41:38.000Do you understand that anything that a hunter kills lives an infinitely better life than anything you're buying at McDonald's, than anything you're wearing on your clothes, any shoes, any leather, any belt that you have?
00:42:47.000And the fact that people have a problem with hunters, but they don't have a problem with passing by every restaurant you drive down the street.
00:43:12.000Because they don't see the death of the animal that caused their cheeseburger.
00:43:17.000Because society is structured in a way that you can just, without participating in the animal's death at all, you can reap the benefits of it by just giving a little piece of paper and getting a cheeseburger.
00:44:29.000I think the most ethical way to acquire it.
00:44:32.000You're responsible for what you're eating.
00:44:35.000And there's something super satisfying about that.
00:44:38.000Whenever I, not all the time, but a lot of times when I tweet photos of like wild game that I cook, And when I'm out there and I'm grilling something that I killed and I chopped up and I'm putting it on the grill and then I'm eating it, it's such a different experience.
00:44:55.000The feeling of it is so much better than just getting a steak from the grocery store, throwing it on the grill and eating it.
00:45:46.000You know, like I posted a picture the other day on Instagram that's like, a lot of these hunting groups classify themselves as predators or as, you know, addicts or junkies or, you know, I'm an antler junkie or I'm a this or I'm a that.
00:46:44.000Word for word for what it says, like literally, there's a lot of stuff that's, there's no way.
00:46:47.000I mean, it's like, no, those are probably made up stores where, but there's other things that I, you know, I'm a religious person and I believe in God and, and, uh, I think there's a lot of things that people have twisted.
00:47:01.000There's something to all religions that I think there's some universal truths.
00:47:07.000And there's universal truths about treating people certain ways.
00:47:10.000And there's universal truths about seeking the good in life and looking out for your brothers and sisters.
00:47:16.000And I think all of that came from understanding that people developed over time, wisdom that people developed over time, and then this connecting to what is universally good about the world, about life.
00:47:30.000With few exceptions, people generally, and there are exceptions, that people generally want to do good.
00:47:50.000100% religious and everything is literal, or they go the other direction.
00:47:54.000Yeah, the problem with the literal translations is that it wasn't English.
00:48:00.000They're still working on the Dead Sea Scrolls, which is the oldest version of the Bible, which is in Aramaic, and it's on animal skins.
00:48:07.000They literally have to do DNA analysis on the animal skins to make sure that when they line up the pieces, they're trying to piece them all together, that it's the right animal.
00:48:16.000The way they do the Dead Sea Scrolls, have you ever...
00:48:43.000And inside these clay pots were essentially these animal skins that had been wrapped up and you know these these cylinders and these like wrapped up in rolls and they had to unravel them and a lot of them were broken up and so the broken up ones the way they you know do the DNA test they do a DNA test so they say okay well all animal all the pieces from this animal we'll put over here all the pieces from that animal we're assuming that's a different piece of skin we'll put that over here and then they have to like try to piece it together like
00:49:13.000this ancient puzzle then they have to take Aramaic We're good to go.
00:49:53.000And the sentences have like a numerical value to them that our brains, the way we think, the way we talk, because we have numbers separate from words, I don't think we totally grasp what a lot of the meaning of a lot of the sentences were.
00:50:08.000Then on top of that, like a lot of those words in ancient Hebrew, there's something like 25% of them, they still don't even know what the fuck it was.
00:50:15.000There's a massive amount of interpretation that they have to figure out.
00:50:20.000Then they take that and And take it from there and translate it to Greek and to Latin and then from that to English.
00:50:27.000So when you're reading about Adam and Eve, who the fuck knows what the original meaning was?
00:52:45.000That's one thing that's kind of cool about your podcast is the ones that I listen to and everything.
00:52:49.000It's like, what I like about you is when you bring in different hosts and different guests, a lot of them have completely opposite backgrounds of what I have and probably from what you have too.
00:52:56.000But I like that you're fascinated by a lot of different things and that you take yourself and just like you're saying there, the research, is you'll immerse yourself into really knowing and finding something out.
00:53:08.000You find a lot of different things fascinating.
00:53:10.000And one thing that's really cool when you're talking about the hunting, and when you first did a podcast with Rinella, and then you kind of were educating yourself along the way as you got into the hunting part of it, it was almost like, and I don't know if you've gone back and listened to any of your old podcasts when you did those,
00:53:26.000but it was like a little kid just learning something new.
00:53:29.000And I'm like, that's pretty cool, because here you have a grown man asking questions that my 10-year-old's asking me.
00:53:52.000Well, my wife would be best able to answer that because she's been mocking me for watching Ted Nugent's Spirit of the Wild for the past 11, 12 plus years.
00:54:14.000And if you've ever seen Ted Nugent play guitar, you've ever seen his band...
00:54:18.000He's a master showman, and he uses a lot of that showmanship on his show, and some of it is really ridiculous.
00:54:27.000Some of it is very repetitive and very over the top.
00:54:31.000But I was fascinated by his promotion of this lifestyle, this hunting lifestyle.
00:54:36.000At the time, he didn't have the place in Texas.
00:54:39.000He had his place in Michigan as a high-fence operation, and he would just go out into, I don't know, any hundreds of acres he has, set up tree stands and wait for deer and shoot them, and that's all the meat that he ate.
00:54:49.000He donated it to Hunters for the Homeless and Hunters for the Hungry or whatever it is, and it really constantly promoted how healthy the lifestyle is, how healthy the meat is, and how this is about...
00:55:04.000This is about these animals are providing him with sustenance, and in turn, he is providing, he puts up food plots, he's planting trees, like his whole thing is, it's very balanced in a way that a lot of people who eat Organic food that they buy at Whole Foods and they think they're being all earthy.
00:55:30.000Like, Ted Nugent living in Michigan is more balanced than you.
00:55:33.000I know you don't think that, but that's the reality.
00:55:36.000The reality for a lot of people that go to the grocery store and pick up their organic food is like, man, you don't know how many people were involved in the creating of that food.
00:58:50.000I'm going to do everything these people don't do because I'm sick of seeing the exact same thing every time.
00:58:56.000I had a conversation with a big sponsor the other day because they're wanting to produce a TV show and we had a big conference call and everybody was talking about all the things they hate about television and things that they like about television and a lot of these different shows came up and without a doubt they're all like, we hate how hokey it is, we hate how overproduced it is and this and that and that,
00:59:13.000but at the end of the day something's got to die.
00:59:55.000For ours, for Solo, what I think makes it unique is the fact that no matter how we film it, it doesn't really matter because at the end of the day, we're one man out there.
01:00:05.000And we're just trying to document that adventure.
01:00:08.000I think by doing it by ourselves and having that relationship with the camera where everything seems to be so close up, it's like I'm talking to you.
01:00:46.000And so that's an element as a producer to try to bring into it to where if people really knew what goes on in my head while I'm up on the mountain, I think they'd be shocked.
01:00:55.000Because it's not all just complete focus on hiking and hunting and killing.
01:01:01.000There's a lot of different things that go on.
01:01:03.000Meaning that you start thinking about your family, you start thinking about your life, that kind of thing?
01:01:29.000Okay, if I go home, I've just wasted four days that I've got here that I should have been here to potentially get an episode, you know, or to potentially harvest an animal, bring it home, and to eat it.
01:02:47.000People are trying to convince me that that works, and it may work, but there was an instance on that episode, because I don't want to down-talk Nose Jammer, you know, because they're...
01:02:57.000They're advertising on the show, but it's a product that I committed to him when I met the owner.
01:03:03.000I met John Redman at a trade show in Reno, and he was so stinking passionate about it, and I told him to his face, I'm like, John, I don't believe in that stuff, man.
01:03:31.000The deer could have done that by smelling me.
01:03:34.000Or he was smelling the vanilla that I just rubbed all over the tree or whatever's in the nose jammer.
01:03:39.000But something confused his sensory glands.
01:03:41.000And that's the point behind nose jammer, I guess, is to kind of confuse their sensory glands so that it just pauses them just for that one minute.
01:03:48.000So hopefully you can get a shot at them.
01:04:04.000You'd have to have the exact same scenario with the exact same animal and a bunch of different options.
01:04:08.000And that's why for me personally, I've had so much experience in the field and I've had so many times when I've tried different things and times when I've just gone natural, you know, where it's just me and my body odor or that's it.
01:04:20.000And ultimately, at the end of the day, my conclusion has been, and it is to date, and that's not to say that it can't change over time as I have more hunting experiences, but right now, I don't want to interject any foreign scent into the air.
01:04:34.000I'm going to have a smell to me no matter what I do, no matter what I shower in, no matter what I spray my clothes down with.
01:05:26.000So to me, I use that into my little thinking is that if they know what humans smell like, They want to avoid it, so they're traveling these corridors because they know they can avoid humans.
01:05:39.000So they're just traveling where he's traveling because he knows he's not going to have any interaction with anything but a deer.
01:06:24.000So when you're sneaking around, you see that deer poke his head up, and you know when they're smelling, and they're gone, if they smell you, they're out of there.
01:06:32.000But when I was hunting this year, there were several times where I bumped these two big bucks.
01:07:28.000And that's hard, too, because there's millions of advertising dollars spent in promoting scent elimination products, and some of my sponsors promote scent elimination clothing or whatever, and at the end of the day...
01:10:25.00030-second commercial spots, those types of things.
01:10:27.000That's ad placement that either the network's going to put in there or I'm going to sell it to somebody to put in there.
01:10:33.000Maybe people don't understand how outdoor shows work.
01:10:37.000Outdoor shows work a little bit different than a lot of other shows.
01:10:40.000A lot of times they get, like say if a guy puts on a show like Solo Hunter, you have a certain amount of advertising space that's for you, for your program, but then the network has a certain amount of advertising space of their own for their things.
01:10:54.000I had to tell Rinella about an advertiser that was competing with one of his friends' companies That was on the same show.
01:11:03.000I go, do you know that you guys are selling this on your show?
01:11:29.000So for folks who don't know exactly how you're saying it, it's kind of a unique thing.
01:11:34.000You're kind of buying time on the network.
01:11:37.000Yeah, that's one thing I tell people, is there's no rule book, but there's no playbook either.
01:11:42.000So the networks, there's a lot of variations.
01:11:44.000The majority of hunting shows out there, they're called time buys, where we buy that 30-minute block on the network, and then we buy a certain amount of advertising.
01:12:41.000But for me, the business is the fun part, too.
01:12:43.000So you're trying to calculate, in that 30 minutes, how can I maximize my revenue?
01:12:48.000Because you have a limited number of advertising spots that you can put in there.
01:12:52.000So it's, who can I contract and who can we fit in certain places?
01:12:58.000It's a very interesting way to produce television that a lot of folks aren't aware of.
01:13:02.000It's cool in a way because there are shows on the hunting television that are more like Discovery Channel where the network pays for them to be produced and they actually own the content.
01:13:12.000They're called Outdoor Channel Originals or on Sportsman's Channel.
01:13:14.000I don't know what they're called, whatever.
01:13:16.000Where the network is invested into these shows or they give them their time for certain...
01:13:20.000There's a myriad of ways things can be done.
01:13:24.000But at the end of the day, I want to own Solo Hunter and I want to own Timbernet.
01:13:29.000I don't want, just because they're buying the show off me, I don't want to have them have any control over me or what I do or what I say or what advertisers I can bring in.
01:13:37.000So at the end of the day, yeah, I'm having to front some money and run it as a business rather than somebody paying me to produce a show.
01:13:44.000But at the end of the day, there's no limit to what I can make.
01:13:47.000There's no limit to the advertising that I can sell.
01:13:52.000Are you aware of this whole sort of movement that's going on right now on television, on regular television, like the History Channel and a lot of these other channels, where they're really concentrating on people that are trying to live sustainable lives?
01:14:04.000Like the Alaska shows, like Alaska Last Frontier, or there's that other show, Life Below Zero.
01:14:14.000Yeah, and I follow that stuff probably more than I do in the hunting industry.
01:14:19.000Because to me, it's obviously mainstream, but it's more fascinating because you don't have...
01:14:26.000Individual little guys like me conceptualizing and coming up with the content.
01:14:30.000You have big boys in big rooms making big decisions with big checks, doing big analysis on viewership and on what people are looking for and all that.
01:14:38.000You have them creating the concepts and the ideas.
01:14:41.000So to me, it's like those are the people I want to watch because those are the people with the brains and the backing behind them.
01:14:48.000Knowing, with their hand on the pulse of what society's looking for.
01:14:55.000Most of the time they're just TV fuckheads.
01:14:57.000The hard thing with that is, like, you know, there's a larger part of society that are non-hunters, non-outdoorsmen than there are that are, you know, outdoorsmen.
01:15:05.000But you're starting to see a lot of content, you know, people trying to portray that lifestyle.
01:15:08.000Yeah, that's why I asked you, because I think it's a...
01:16:16.000There's a lot of us that are in trouble.
01:16:18.000Ultimately, society is going to have to bond together and that's where religion and a lot of these groups will come together and that's where it will become valuable for people that don't see it.
01:16:28.000That's where little groups, communities, if you don't know your neighbor, man, you should know your stinking neighbor because the guy might be covering your back one night.
01:16:43.000Yeah, you're almost like, I was listening to this other show that I listen to all the time called Radio Lab, a podcast, and they were talking about the impact that killed the dinosaurs.
01:16:52.000And when they were talking about it, it was like, you're just going over what the original human was, like this thing that allegedly came out of that impact, like what animals, what fossils they know of.
01:17:06.000And it's almost like you'd rather get hit in the head by the asteroid than go through all that shit.
01:17:10.000You know, you don't want to be the people that have babies in an apocalyptic environment, and then those babies grow on to, like, fuck, man.
01:17:20.000Be glad you live in an era where they can make cotton really, really soft.
01:17:24.000You know, you've got soft blankets and warm heat, and you don't have to deal with...
01:17:28.000I'm a big fan of civilization, but I am a big fan of this...
01:17:31.000Well, we were talking about the prepper thing, because I think there's this...
01:17:36.000People are sort of realizing, as people pay more attention to a lot of the issues that society has, whether it's environmental issues, like whether it's pollution, or garbage that's being dumped into the ocean, or the amount of fish that's getting pulled out of the ocean,
01:17:52.000sustainability, and they start looking at the ideas of where their food comes from.
01:17:57.000People are really into grass-fed beef now.
01:18:26.000They pay fees for the BLM or wherever it is.
01:18:29.000They're grass-fed up until about three months at the end of their life where they're put onto a feedlot, fed a bunch of fat foods, fattened up, so they taste good when I put them on the grill.
01:18:51.000So, in a way, that's good, but as long as I can go out and still obtain a deer tag or an elk tag and go out and get my own meat for myself...
01:19:01.000It's a totally different kind of meat.
01:19:03.000The point is that when you eat a steak from an elk or a deer and then you eat a steak from a cow, one of them is a fat, lazy fuck that's marbling.
01:20:49.000There was a time there when my dad was a farmer and he lost the farm, so he had to go back to college.
01:20:53.000Well, there was a big time stretch in there where we had to sustain off the land or off of the farm.
01:20:59.000We had animals to eat and the farmers would come and drop off a sack of potatoes because they knew that those little ruggedy kids, their dad's off going to college and their mom's trying to take care of them.
01:21:09.000And so we literally lived off the land for a lot of time.
01:21:12.000So your dad was somewhere else and you were on the farm?
01:21:16.000Well, we lived in central Idaho, you know, because he went back to school to get his teaching degree because we lost the farm.
01:21:23.000He was a potato farmer for a long time.
01:21:25.000So we're living on the farm and it wasn't unusual.
01:21:31.000For mom to go out, grab one of the rabbits that we were raising, and I'll never forget the first rabbit that I watched her kill, hung it up, smacked it on the head, and we had rabbit for dinner.
01:21:43.000And there was a lot of times where it's like, Timothy, can you go grab a chicken?
01:21:47.000We need dinner or whatever, and you'd go out and you'd get a chicken and you'd take care of it and bring it in.
01:21:54.000It's just part of the lifestyle that I grew up that you didn't go to the grocery store and get things.
01:21:59.000You went out to the garden and you pulled out a zucchini.
01:22:11.000I mean, there's all these different kinds of things that...
01:22:14.000We probably did out of necessity during that time span, more so than out of, yeah, we're going to live off of our farm, live off of what we create.
01:22:21.000But I think that time span taught me a lot about the reality of life and death, the reality of, hey, you can create and be completely self-sustained.
01:22:32.000You can create your own food, everything, right here, just on one tiny little farm.
01:22:37.000And then also, that's what kind of gave me a love and a passion with animals, because You're raising a calf from the time it's born.
01:23:18.000So when I grew up and you get older and you get to college and people start throwing the, ah, you eat animals or this and that, and the vegetarian stuff, and you start learning the things of the world, that's where it's like, man, you people are the ones that are crazy, not me.
01:23:31.000There's just so much ignorance involved in people that live in cities and claim that there's something wrong with people that eat animals.
01:23:43.000There's something wrong about factory farming.
01:23:45.000There's something wrong about jamming a bunch of chickens into a box that's so small they can't move and they cut their beaks off so they don't peck each other's eyes out.
01:23:52.000That's the thing is, do they have to do that in order to provide enough food for people?
01:23:56.000That's where I'm ignorant on the subject because it's like, man, part of it is like, well, we've got to produce food.
01:26:05.000Yeah, so what they do is they shut down the parks, and they allow you to go in after all the deer season's done, and you're allowed to take up to five deer.
01:26:13.000And it's so controlled that they want to know at the end of every day, you have to log on a piece of paper, part of your license, what you've seen and how many, where they were.
01:26:22.000The guys in Boston, like Mitch and Tim, they were showing me where they were hunting.
01:26:41.000It's a big issue also with ticks, because those deer are the ones that are carrying those deer ticks, and those are the ones that are carrying that Lyme disease.
01:28:02.000And what's crazy is when, after the animal dies, I brought it back and I caped it out and everything, which is, if you don't know what caping is, is when you take...
01:28:12.000So you take it off the head and neck and you bring it back.
01:28:14.000You tan it and you have it mounted so you can preserve your...
01:28:17.000Whether it's a trophy or you can preserve your memories or whatever it is, but...
01:28:21.000Once it dies, and it goes through the cooling process, the ticks don't have anywhere warm to stay anymore, and there's no blood, and there's nothing, so they just start coming out like crazy.
01:28:30.000I mean, there was just this pile of ticks.
01:28:39.000I mean, we used to, when we'd have sheep and stuff, and we'd be on the farm, you'd kind of roll your fingernail over and crush them and try to kill them, but they're...
01:31:49.000Just because they're saying that it's acceptable because those people interjected themselves into that lifestyle.
01:31:55.000So it's like, okay, so the people that are living a, you know, whatever lifestyle, should I accept that just because they're putting themselves into that lifestyle?
01:32:04.000Well, I have no problem accepting any lifestyle that doesn't intrude on mine.
01:32:07.000But when I see these reality shows, whatever you want to call them, where these people are living this sustainable life, I find it super intriguing, almost like in a primal way.
01:33:22.000A fire bow, but it's an old school one where he holds a piece in his mouth that keeps a stick in place so he can use both hands for the momentum.
01:34:25.000It's incredibly fascinating that people are tuned into this stuff and geared...
01:34:29.000And a lot of my friends that have never had any desire to hunt whatsoever watch these shows and it sort of sparks that little fascination inside of them.
01:37:08.000I mean, James Hatfield does hunt, but that's not him standing over that grizzly bear, so the entire premise of this thing that they were doing to try to get Metallica removed from this music festival It was just a bullshit photograph.
01:37:23.000Have you had anything against you for you going hunting?
01:37:53.000There's a photo of me and Cam standing over this bear I shot.
01:37:55.000And I got more heat for that than anything I ever did.
01:37:59.000I think it's because people have this, what they call anthropomorphication, I think is the word, where they connect animals with human characteristics, like Yogi Bear and fucking all these ridiculous...
01:38:41.000People who don't understand hunting would never imagine that these people would go out, shoot bears all day, and come home and pet their puppy.
01:38:47.000To them, it seems completely contradictory and alien.
01:38:51.000How do you decide what animals you're shooting and what animals you're petting?
01:39:16.000She'll try to, like, I'll cook up some elk steak or something and I'll be like...
01:39:20.000And I got to admit, I'm not a Ranella.
01:39:22.000I'm not, you know, Remy's a great cook, but I'm like, I'm one of those guys, I want a slab of meat, I'm going to put it on the grill, it's going to hit 120 degrees, whatever, and I'm going to eat it.
01:39:30.000You know, I mean, that's, it's like, I don't want to spend my time preparing food.
01:39:35.000And so some of the stuff I cook doesn't taste that great, you know, and that's where it's like, but it's meat, you know, and it's meat that I killed and meat that I brought home, so I'm going to eat it.
01:39:44.000But to her, it's like, ah, it's a waste of time.
01:39:47.000So, You know, if I spent more time preparing it and aging it and doing whatever needs to be done with it rather than just cooking it and eating it, she might taste it, but who knows?
01:41:36.000Yeah, it's a weird thing where people have this connection, but some animals are like your friends, and some animals, like, you should never hunt this.
01:42:24.000They're cool, and so when I see somebody who will be named nameless on a TV show shoot one arrow through two pigs, and that's okay, but yet if I shoot one arrow through two deer, even if it's legal or two whatever, it's not okay, and then the very next minute shoot a weanling 10-pound pig in the head with a pellet rifle and watch it sit there and flail on the ground,
01:43:47.000Him and Nugent up in helicopters with fucking automatic rifles taking out pigs, like, en masse.
01:43:55.000They shot 450 of them or something in a day once.
01:43:58.000It's the craziest thing you've ever seen.
01:43:59.000These pigs are running, and then, boom, headshot as they're running, they're tumbling.
01:44:03.000And it's not about, like, we're going to go out and shoot an animal, harvest it, and then use it and eat it and show the hunting lifestyle.
01:45:16.000It's completely different from domestic pig in the way it looks because these animals are eating all kinds of different natural things, roots and grasses, and they're not just eating grain.
01:45:43.000We should invest in a barbecue house and just go in, put a barbecue house in Texas and then just go kill all the wild pigs and use that to get all your meat.
01:46:34.000But don't you think that wild pigs, if they became a revenue source like that, if they had a restaurant, if they have an animal that is so completely overpopulated and overrun that they don't have any tag limits, which pigs are at right now.
01:46:47.000You could just go and shoot fucking pigs all day long and they'll be happy for you.
01:46:51.000Including California, which is like one of the most liberal states ever, which has all sorts of crazy regulations on animals that need to be culled and aren't.
01:46:59.000Like, there's real issues here with mountain lions, and there's a real issue with people that don't want people to hunt mountain lions, and they don't understand how ridiculously overpopulated these fucking things are getting, and these poor people that are running farms have to deal with these animals coming in and just decimating the population of their calves,
01:47:20.000You know, the game animals, like the people that will tell you about when mountain lion hunting was legal in comparison now, and then the deer population levels, there's no comparison.
01:47:32.000At Tohone Ranch, where I've been pig hunting before, the guy who was our guide told us that he has a trail camera set up over this water hole, and he got 16 different mountain lions on camera.
01:48:00.000If we're going to be the stewards of the land, which is what most people...
01:48:04.000If you're going to accept that we have regulations on game, we have regulations on fish that you can pull for the ocean, we're supposed to be managing...
01:48:14.000The population of these animals in a smart, intelligent way, and that's good conservation.
01:48:19.000But when you remove some animals from that management simply because of public opinion, non-informed public opinion of people who are animal lovers, that's ridiculous.
01:48:31.000That's contrary to the very nature of conservation in the first place.
01:48:35.000Conservation isn't simply, oh, we need to preserve the habitat and give these animals food and make sure their water's not polluted.
01:48:43.000Sure, that's most certainly a part of it.
01:48:45.000And for people who don't know, hunters have been responsible for way more money that goes to conserving wildlife habitat, conserving wetlands, than any other group by far.
01:48:58.000No tree hugger conservation group has come close They're generating the amount of money that has gone into conservation as hunters have.
01:49:07.000But because you're controlling populations of deer, controlling populations of elk, pigs, all that's good, but you've got to control fucking predators too.
01:49:15.000And they're realizing that now in a lot of these states where they reintroduce wolves.
01:49:19.000And people are fighting against people hunting wolves.
01:49:22.000Like, you better fucking go online and research those giant super packs of wolves in Siberia that storm a farm and kill a hundred horses and no one can do a goddamn thing about it because you've got a thousand wolves.
01:49:36.000Can you imagine being in a fucking farm and you're looking out the window and you see a pack of wolves just tearing apart horses and no one can do anything about it?
01:49:46.000Well, that's what happens when shit gets out of line.
01:50:46.000Wolves because there's so much unknown about...
01:50:49.000There's so much unknown about modern wolves.
01:50:51.000We know about wolves of history, old...
01:50:55.000And in times like that, when there were super packs and all that, well, they're just now being reintroduced and there's a whole new generation, my generation included, that we don't know and understand wolves and how they hunt and how they are evolving.
01:51:09.000And so to me, there's just so much eerie about them, so much unproven.
01:51:14.000I could be that first guy that does get attacked and killed by a wolf that's there because there's more people now too.
01:51:23.000So there's more of a chance of a wolf being conditioned to people or public than there ever has been before.
01:51:29.000So I think that it's a different animal today than it was 100 years ago or 200 years ago.
01:51:36.000Of me or a hunter somewhere in there, you get a pack that's just in the wrong mentality that maybe hasn't been hunted that much or hasn't been pressured that much because you're way back in the wilderness.
01:51:46.000They may be a little bit more aggressive than what you would like.
01:51:49.000So they just kind of creep me out a little bit.
01:52:19.000And this one, they had eventually cornered the wolves, and they were killing them with stones and spears in front of the Notre Dame Cathedral.
01:52:31.000That's like taking coyotes of today, because there's coyotes roaming around here probably, and turning them into wolves.
01:52:37.000If that's a wolf in that environment, that's crazy.
01:52:40.000Yeah, well even scarier because they're obviously a lot bigger and creepier, but people throughout history have had real issues with wolves.
01:52:48.000But today we associate wolves with being dogs.
01:53:19.000Well, it goes back to what you just said earlier, and it's not exactly the same thing, but you're like, you don't care what lifestyle people lead as long as it doesn't affect you.
01:53:28.000People don't give a crap about other stuff as long as it doesn't affect them.
01:53:31.000So it's like we all fall into it a little bit.
01:53:34.000We can be hypocritical and say, I don't like this and I don't like this and this because that's going to affect me, but if they want to go out and do this, that's fine.
01:54:48.000The coyote starts picking them off and it takes them quite a while before they learn and condition themselves that, hey, that's not a coyote.
01:55:13.000And the next thing you know, it takes them years to condition themselves to where now elk hunting today is different than it was 15 years ago.
01:55:21.000I mean, there's certain instances where it's similar, but they're a different animal to hunt today than they were 20 years ago.
01:55:27.000Have you ever been hunting in any way and had a kill and had to keep a predator off the kill?
01:55:34.000Yeah, so I was hunting deer, white-tailed deer, actually, in northern Idaho with a bow.
01:55:39.000This was in like 2008, 2009, something like that.
01:55:42.000And I was filming the hunt, you know, this was before I started the TV show, but at that time I already had the concept of solo hunter in mind, so I'm filming everything.
01:55:50.000And it just, the light gets dark, and so I go to take the camera off the arm that I had, and I flip the switch, and the camera went down the bottom of the tree, crushed.
01:56:02.000I'm like, well, I'm going home tomorrow anyway, so I grab my bow, thump the deer, and I'm sitting there, and the deer kind of goes over and starts to do the wobble thing.
01:56:10.000Well, next thing you know, a bear pulls up, a black bear comes up and takes the deer down and immediately pulls it over this hillside.
01:56:16.000And I'm like, that was pretty dang cool.
01:56:18.000I was more mad at myself than awestruck because I was like, I dropped my damn camera out of the tree and I could have filmed that, but...
01:57:59.000So the next morning I go in, no big deal, daylight, the bear doesn't have, you know, he doesn't have bigger cojones during the day, I guess, but he just ran off, I grabbed the deer.
01:58:07.000I have that on film, actually, if you look at the first Solo Hunter episode, it's episode 101. It's got that where I kill a deer, but then I do a flashback of the year before when I was filming that hunt, and I've got my little handy cam that I filmed.
01:58:21.000You can see all the scratches all over the deer, and you can see where the bear had eaten it out from the hind end and all that kind of stuff.
01:58:29.000He had only eaten part of the hindquarters.
01:58:31.000They always go in through the butthole and through the soft tissue, but you could see where he had scratched it up and where he had drug it down and just ate part of the hindquarters.
01:58:39.000But for the most part, the deer was fine, salvageable, so I just cut him up and took him home.
01:58:44.000So when you have an animal like that, that another animal has eaten part of it, do you worry about it being contaminated anyway?
01:59:21.000The rivets that I told you about, the guys up in northern Canada, they shot a bear and it was getting dark and so they went back in the morning to recover it and another larger bear was eating it while they got there and they're like, oh great.
02:00:58.000We got grizzlies in Idaho that are starting to cause issues.
02:01:01.000And, you know, there's all kinds of instances in Montana that grizzly's the next animal to start causing issues, I believe, just because...
02:01:09.000For some reason now it seems like nature is at its prime for bear populations to grow.
02:01:17.000You look at bear numbers, hog numbers, all these populations of animals' numbers continue to steadily grow massively.
02:01:24.000And I think that's just the natural curve of where we're at.
02:01:28.000That if we weren't involved in managing it or anything, it had hit that precipice where diseases and cannibalism and all these things would take over and nature would curve itself back down to get sustainable numbers.
02:01:38.000Or they would just eat themselves out of home.
02:01:41.000When you stumbled upon that bear and that bear was like four feet away from you with the deer, did you just back out of there?
02:04:05.000Instead of just having hunters come in and shoot them with bows and arrows or crossbows, whatever, you could control the population like that.
02:04:12.000It would only take a couple of weekends.
02:04:14.000And they could do big numbers and get a lot of meat out of it.
02:04:18.000But instead, they're going to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars and give them birth control.
02:04:22.000What do you think is the answer for people?
02:04:24.000I mean, what is it going to take for...
02:04:27.000If you've ever convinced somebody that hunting is okay, what's the answer?
02:04:32.000How can we educate people to where it's like, you know, hunting is not what you've been taught or what you think it is or what certain people say it is?
02:04:42.000Well, I'm not trying to educate people, but in discussing it and people listening to these discussions, they kind of get a more nuanced, balanced perspective.
02:04:52.000I know for a fact that there's a lot of people that post on my message board that have talked about how they had one opinion of hunting before the podcast and a completely different opinion of it now.
02:05:01.000And they also never factored in the hypocrisy of wearing leather, having a leather couch, leather seats in your car, leather jacket, and then complaining about hunting.
02:05:12.000We're disconnected, and that disconnection has led us to be like spoiled little kids.
02:05:17.000We don't understand where all this is coming from.
02:05:19.000We don't have a direct interaction with the food itself.
02:05:23.000And when you do have a direct interaction with the food itself, when you've killed the animal yourself, the whole process is a completely different thing.
02:05:30.000I'm eating an animal that I... I stocked, shot, butchered, sliced up, put into packages, vacuum sealed it, put it in my freezer, thawed it out, cooked it, ate it.
02:07:36.000And you get the tarsal glands all over the meat and smell like shit.
02:07:41.000There's a lot of people that ruin meat because they don't understand the proper preparation and how to take care of it once they actually kill an animal.
02:08:36.000He's something special in that even if you took that man outside of the hunting industry and put him into something else, if he was an oil man or say if he was a cattle man or whatever, he's got a personality about him and a philosophical way of speaking and knowledge about him that he's going to educate people just based off of what he knows and how he's going to say something.
02:08:56.000He and I could say the exact same things, but the way he says it, you're going to be like, damn.
02:09:12.000What I'm saying is I'm glad you're having him and it's definitely a podcast I'm going to be tuning into because I like his philosophy behind not only hunting but life and also behind family and everything else.
02:09:42.000Super educated and a guy who really, truly cares about environments, really, truly cares about hunting, really, truly cares about conservation.
02:09:50.000And he's a guy that's in fucking fantastic shape.
02:09:52.000I mean, I went hunting with him, and the one thing that I was blown away with is how physically demanding hunting is.
02:09:59.000Like, hiking, I looked at hiking, and I'm like, that's where fucking people don't really work out, a bunch of pussies.
02:10:25.000It was me, Callan, and Rinella, my friend Brian Callan.
02:10:28.000So when we went to get my deer, we shot it that night, gutted it, took the liver and the heart, cooked that that night, and then put it up in a tree.
02:14:22.000I go around the back side, and I see him, and he jumped up at the clothes on the clothesline, and I rifled like two or three at him, and I missed.
02:15:21.000Last week in Silicon Valley, a mountain lion viciously mauled a six-year-old boy.
02:15:26.000Some kid was hiking with his parents, and the kid was behind them, and a mountain lion came up behind and attacked the kid.
02:15:34.000The parents yelled at it and screamed and chased after the mountain lion and just tried to hit it, and it dropped the kid and ran off, but the kid got fucked up.
02:16:06.000But you've got to keep those fuckers in check.
02:16:09.000And that's a real issue with people that don't understand wildlife.
02:16:15.000They just have these liberal points of view that's based on no reasoning, no logic, not a balanced perspective, no real true understanding of wildlife.
02:16:24.000Their understanding is just based on what they think is right, what they think is...
02:16:29.000Leave them alone, these natural animals.
02:16:32.000Yeah, and then you go hiking, and you're going to get eaten, you fuck.
02:18:16.000I told Mark, Mark's like, I'm like, Mark, you know, when we get to talk and I have a tendency to dip a little bit, I'm like, you need to keep me on that level plane.
02:20:13.000It was a bumper sticker on this truck.
02:20:14.000It said it had douchebag with the president's emblem as the O. And then underneath it, the guy was selling his truck, so he had written in soap for sale.
02:20:40.000If you criticize the president too harshly, or if there's any threat whatsoever of violence, like, I'm going to kick the president's ass, they'll come after you.
02:21:02.000The Second Amendment is a funny issue when it comes to Obama because they had this recording of him doing this speech and talking about guns, and he was talking about how people want to keep their guns.
02:21:14.000They're never going to let you take their guns.
02:21:16.000And I'm like, what a weird thing it is where people, representative government, where people are elected, they get into a position of power, And then they look at people and they say things like, they're never going to let you take their guns.
02:21:32.000Why are you trying to take their guns?
02:21:34.000If you're just a person, and what you are as a president, yes, you're the leader of the country, yes, you're the commander-in-chief and all that, but essentially you're just a person.
02:21:42.000So if you're a person, why are you trying to take away other people's guns?
02:21:46.000Do you think that people shouldn't have guns because they're all dangerous?
02:21:50.000Because statistically, that's a real tough argument.
02:21:53.000Statistics don't matter to people like that.
02:21:56.000Well, that's why those people are ridiculous.
02:21:59.000Anybody in that sort of a position that has that sort of a point of view, like, if you're going to be the fucking president of the United States, you've got to be able to back up everything you say with logic and science.
02:22:08.000And if you look at the amount of people we have in this country, there's 350 million motherfuckers in this country, okay?
02:22:14.000Not all of them are motherfuckers, but some of them.
02:22:28.000Then look at how many people are actually getting killed by guns.
02:22:32.000The number is ridiculously low, which means that most people are really good at controlling themselves.
02:22:39.000Most people have cars and they don't just drive into crowds of people, but some people occasionally do.
02:22:45.000If enough people do that, are we going to take away cars?
02:22:47.000The thing of it is, you could have those people sitting here across from you and you can be explaining to them and you can have the statistical data and you can have the proof and the facts and everything.
02:24:39.000I heard a statistic the other day, whether it's right or wrong, that 9 million people in the greater LA area, potentially half of them illegal.
02:24:48.000There's more than 9 million people here, right?
02:24:56.000They said potentially up to half of those are illegal or not documented, which to me is like, well, that's one city.
02:25:04.000But why would they allow the people to come across the border just so openly and And now it's like, as a parent, I have a kid in school, and if they're putting these people and busing them all across the country and letting these people go into school without even asking their ages or having to go through medical checks like my kids do or any of those types of things,
02:25:20.000it's like, what's the reasoning behind that?
02:25:23.000If you were humanitarian, you'd block the damn border off and not let people come across and experience all that suffering.
02:25:30.000But then, as me, as the humanitarian, little bit of humanitarian that I have, I mean, it's like, man, if I'm in that position, I'm coming across the border, too, and I'm working here.
02:25:38.000You know, I'm providing my family with a better situation.
02:25:40.000But as a managing government, managing a country, to me, it just doesn't make sense that you would allow open borders.
02:25:48.000Well, I don't think it's totally open.
02:25:50.000I mean, it's difficult to get over here.
02:25:53.000And I know what you're saying, but I also think that, politically, if you want Democratic votes...
02:26:00.000The more lenient you are towards people coming across this border, the more lenient you are towards illegals, Latinos, giving them rights, giving them education, giving them the ability to drive cars or maybe even possibly vote, that's going to be very advantageous if you're a Democrat.
02:26:17.000If you're a liberal and if that's what your agenda is, that's what you're trying to pursue.
02:26:21.000It's interesting, in Republican circles, Cubans are almost all Republican.
02:26:28.000Not all, obviously, but Miami has a large population of very conservative Latinos.
02:26:35.000It's a completely different sort of environment.
02:28:13.000And I think that's where I'm talking, is they should be doing that rather than just saying, well, if you can't have it there, come here and do it here then.
02:30:55.000Again, I'm just going to what I heard off the radio.
02:30:56.000I'm just the uneducated white hunter guy, you know, bubba.
02:31:00.000But it's like, you know, they did that one time and now it's built up where there's almost no way around it that they're going to have to do it again.
02:31:06.000And unless there's stop measures to keep it from happening again, it's going to be 20, 30 years down the road, it'll happen again.
02:31:11.000It's a compassion issue in a lot of ways because when people are in an undeniably shitty environment like Juarez, Mexico, and they want to get out and they see San Antonio is right over there and everybody's doing great.
02:33:15.000And I'm trying to range him and get a distance.
02:33:17.000And you're trying to do all these things that you're supposed to do as a hunter, and then it's in your head that you've got to do all this.
02:33:23.000And so when you anchor back, your mind might not be right.
02:33:38.000It's almost like a fear, adrenaline, holy crap, this is happening, whatever.
02:33:42.000I mean, I remember as a kid sitting in a tree stand for elk, and the guys that taught me how to bow hunt, I was 13 years old, and they're like, yeah, best way, just go get in this stand and just wait for the elk to come into the water hole.
02:33:53.000Well, shoot, I'm a 13-year-old kid up there by myself.
02:33:56.000And you hear this herd of elk coming in.
02:33:58.000So you have 50, you know, 800 to 1,000 pound animals coming in.
02:34:31.000Same thing when you're getting off the ski lift and you strap on the snowboard and you know you're going to go off this one run that you just looked at as you're coming up the hill.
02:35:06.000And you're just watching that thing fall and it's just kind of cutting into there and you're like, you get that feeling a little bit, that could go in the hole, you know, or that's going to get close.
02:35:15.000But with hunting, it's like that much more amplified because it's a live thing, you know, it's a live event and you don't have any control over that.
02:35:21.000That elk could come in and do whatever.
02:35:23.000Yeah, anticipation and build up for one moment and also the amount of work involved in getting up there and it's like all for this one moment.
02:36:04.000So, that's hunting, that's the reality of it, whereas on TV, you see six, eight minutes of me traveling, and I was like, oh dang, he killed a moose, that's awesome, you know?
02:36:13.000That moose show was wild, the one where you shot the moose, and then it started floating down the river.
02:36:18.000Yeah, he wasn't in the river, but yeah, he was in the marsh, so where he was standing, it was like knee-deep, and then he kind of went back in the willows, and so I had to actually go in the willows and pull him out, because the boat, we tied him onto the boat and tried to get the boat to pull him out, but it wasn't happening, so I had to go in and field my waders.
02:37:01.000People don't realize I was closer to death right then than any other hunt that I've ever been on.
02:37:06.000I was so hypothermic that I had to get off the boat and I literally just took all my clothes off and just piled on one dry coat that I had and a pair of pants and I ran up and down the sandbar back and forth because it started out like kind of a hunched over little trudge and it took me about 40 minutes before I generated enough body heat to get myself out of that hypothermic state.
02:38:26.000Many people who don't go into those environments and don't understand how you can start sweating when it's really cold out don't know how great wool is.
02:39:20.000But, you know, I've grown to where probably about 10 years ago I moved away from wool and into synthetics just because the technology was there.
02:39:33.000But even them, they've got some clothing that we prototyped this last fall that was kind of a wool acrylic blend that was pretty amazing, pretty good stuff, so...
02:39:47.000It's similar texture and feel to the wool, but, you know, you combine that with some of the synthetic base layers and that, and you've just got a really hardy, durable fabric that can be, you know, replicated and printed on and all kinds of different things,
02:43:03.000These guys are never going to give me the time of day.
02:43:04.000They're cool guys and everything, but they're looking for bigger fish.
02:43:07.000And so, this is probably the first time they've heard that too, is like, I got rid of all my Under Armour gear and was decked out with another brand.
02:43:17.000They decked me out everything, head to toe, everything.
02:43:19.000So I was like, I was all geared up to go on my first hunt in this other brand.
02:44:38.000And they just announced that it's going to be releasing.
02:44:41.000I heard September 15th one of the dates was thrown out, but they're going to be coming out at UnderArmor.com, the Ridge Reaper line, with the Baron camo pattern.
02:47:20.000But the bows of 10 years ago in comparison to the bows of today, they are making these little incremental leaps every year where they're getting a little bit lighter, a little bit more feet per second, a little bit more accurate, a little bit better tolerance.
02:47:35.000It's really kind of interesting to see the technology that's involved in compound bows, both for target shooting and for hunting.
02:48:44.000This is a phone scope adapter and I've just gotten used to having it on my phone.
02:48:47.000Every once in a while I'll take my phone out and put it back in my LifeProof case, but then I reach in my pocket and I'm like, where's my handle?
02:49:29.000When you were talking, for folks who don't know what you're saying, you were talking about ranging.
02:49:34.000These laser rangefinders are another really cool invention where you look into it, you press a button, it tells you the exact yardage.
02:49:41.000And for people who've never been hunting with bows before, never shot a bow before...
02:49:45.000They don't understand, like, there's a big difference between a scope on a rifle.
02:49:51.000A rifle's pretty good for a couple hundred yards, but a bow, there's a big difference between where it's going to hit at 20 yards versus where it's going to hit at 40 yards.
02:50:00.000And all this is sort of crazy calculations on feet per second and where your yardage pins are.
02:50:07.000That was one thing that I really got into when I started playing with bows.
02:50:35.000You don't have a steady rest or a bipod like you do with a rifle.
02:50:38.000I mean, the bow, you've got your arm that's not very rigid to begin with holding it out there, and you've got your other arm back here, and so you're trying to anchor it.
02:50:56.000I'm so old school when it comes to my equipment.
02:50:59.000I mean, it's just like I'll take a bow and I set up all my own equipment.
02:51:02.000I don't take it into the archery shops because everybody has their own way of doing things, but I do it the way I learn, but I'll just put a peep, sight, you know, sight it in.
02:51:11.000Guys are all wrapped into these super long-range sights.
02:51:14.000Well, I'm a hunter, so I need a sight that's going to go from 20 to 80, you know, and I'm good.
02:52:49.000So you're still aiming, but because you're not thinking about it, it's happening so much quicker.
02:52:55.000They say that that's, you know, what some of the sharpshooters, that's why they're so good is because it's just all instinctive with pistols or anything else.
02:53:01.000They're not aiming, they're just shooting.
02:53:03.000There's a lot of practice involved in bow hunting too, right?
02:53:05.000I started bow hunting at 12, 13 years old.
02:53:08.000I have had a bow in my hand my entire life, basically, just because of my upbringing.
02:53:13.000I'd go out to do chores, you grab your bow off the freezer, you walk out, fling a couple arrows at the carpet target that we had taped onto the haystack, and you go milk the cows, you walk out, you pull your arrows, you do it again.
02:53:35.000So for a guy picking it up, for you to go out and be able to experience that instinctive anchoring and everything is just dialed, it's going to come over time.
02:53:43.000And there will be times where you might go out next week and you're like...
02:54:41.000I pull out some targets and start shooting.
02:54:43.000And I feel like it's a nice stress reliever, too.
02:54:46.000Even if people never want to hunt, I recommend just doing archery just for fun.
02:54:51.000And get a bow and do it instinctively.
02:54:53.000You should get a recurve or get a bare bow and just go out and just do it close, you know, 10 feet and just get that feeling of just release.
02:55:00.000Do you think that helps your compound archery?
02:56:42.000I found that with my arrows and my broadheads and my setup, I take my bow and I max it at 70 pounds, and as I'm sighting in and tuning my bow, paper tuning or whatever...
02:56:52.000I back it off a quarter, turn at a time, my limbs.