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00:04:12.000Well, it's always going to be if you're heterosexual, because for the most part you don't see it until you reach an adult age and then you're out in the wild with the wild homosexuals that just frequent these thoroughfares and these avenues.
00:04:24.000If you're in the wrong spot, like if you're going down Santa Monica Boulevard, we should probably just start the podcast right here.
00:04:30.000Joe, is there different levels of that where you look and see two people kissing and you're just like, you know what?
00:09:15.000He's just an animal and just a wealth of knowledge.
00:09:18.000He's not a fan of those type of workouts because he said that those powerlifting workouts should all be done with very strict form and very heavy weights and very low reps.
00:09:26.000He's like, so they're essentially taking these These workouts that are all about this one big explosion and the most you can get up, and they're doing them over and over and over and over and over and over.
00:09:37.000And some people can get away with that, but some people get really fucked up.
00:09:41.000Well, they also have the element of competition to it, which I never really bought into because I was just trying to lose a lot of weight and get in shape.
00:09:47.000So I looked at it as, like, whatever was on that board was my workout, but there was a competition element, so it is funny that they spend...
00:09:53.000About the first 15 minutes of any CrossFit class I've done is showing you the form of today's workout.
00:10:19.000For anybody that's thinking about doing any kind of workout with either kettlebells or even just regular weights, just dumbbells or barbells, please start off slow.
00:10:27.000If you've never done any workout before, what working out is all about is tearing down your muscle fiber and then it heals.
00:10:38.000The recovery is one of the most important parts, and that's one of the things that fucks up a lot of athletes.
00:10:43.000It's one of the number one issues when it comes to wrestlers, like a lot of wrestlers, because they're so mentally tough, they overtrain, they fuck their body up because their body's never getting the proper rest.
00:10:52.000You know, if you're not a competitive athlete that's in some sort of a program where you can't decide how much workout you have to do because you have to follow the team, if you're not in that kind of an athletic program and you can do it yourself...
00:11:27.000That's such a funny misconception always about steroids where even in movies they would make it like they stick steroids in Drago's arm and he could just win fights.
00:11:36.000People always treated Barry Bonds like that.
00:11:38.000They were like, he takes steroids, he injects it in his arm so he can crack home runs.
00:11:41.000It still requires a ton of exercise and workout.
00:11:44.000Those guys work harder still than anybody else.
00:11:47.000But you definitely have an advantage over everybody else who works hard if you're on it.
00:12:15.000This dude who was a big-time competitive bodybuilder talked about how he got into it and talked about all the stuff that he was dumping into his body, and it's like, whoa!
00:12:23.000Fucking pain pills every day, Vicodin, steroids, this, that.
00:12:28.000His kidney was like 30. His kidney was ready to go.
00:12:31.000They were like, dude, you're going to be on dialysis in a year.
00:13:01.000My stepfather was a competitive powerlifter, so he knew a lot of friends who were bodybuilders and stuff, and you'd see these guys have a plate of pills in front of them every day.
00:14:26.000These are solid, solid metal, and they're awesome.
00:14:29.000You can't get, like, any better quality kettlebells.
00:14:32.000We found the best ones you can get online.
00:14:34.000And they're a little more awkward in some ways to lift with than some of the, like, what they call competition kettlebells that are larger kettlebells but lighter.
00:14:42.000But that awkwardness, I think, is good.
00:14:45.000You know, everybody's trying to be fucking comfortable.
00:14:47.000With these goddamn things, they're difficult to use, and that's how I do my squats now.
00:14:52.000I put a 70 in each hand, and I do those things.
00:15:33.000I remember I always feel that feeling if you were like falling from a building and in movies they'll catch themselves in a ledge and they're like...
00:15:40.000I was just going to delay me dying for a couple more seconds.
00:17:36.000The government's stepping up and ending these evil, evil e-cigarettes that are stealing money from the mouths of the babies of the families that own the tobacco companies.
00:19:30.000Well, there's that, too, and there's just...
00:19:32.000There's also, like, on certain shows, like, you'll see everything, even movies, you'll see, like, every product is a Sony...
00:19:38.000And they'll close up on the Sony phone when someone gets a phone call, so you see the Sony logo, and it'll be on a Vio laptop, and you go, oh, Sony has a deal in this movie.
00:19:48.000Actually, when it's not Sony, it seems like they always use Apple computers, and they always have the sticker over the Apple logo or iPhones, but they have the Apple logo covered up for some reason, like every single TV show.
00:20:00.000So it's almost like Apple's like, no, you have to pay us to show the Apple logo.
00:20:20.000There's like a cult of Apple in Hollywood, for sure.
00:20:23.000You know, I'm not sucking my own dick, but I did a show called P. Diddy's Bad Boys of Comedy on HBO. And that was, it turns out, that was just an entire season of a TV show to promote Sean John clothing.
00:21:12.000I figured out, I started out in a black comedy room, and I just found out I could fucking destroy if I just went right to them on that level.
00:21:20.000Now, I actually loathe that kind of comedy.
00:23:52.000I've seen that in reality show contracts.
00:23:54.000I've seen that where friends were thinking about going on a reality show, and they brought the contract to someone, and it turns out, say, if they created some new show, like a Real Housewives type show, and then you became the breakout star and took off and had cookbooks and shit like a lot of these chicks do and started making bank.
00:24:13.000They get a big, fat piece of that, man.
00:24:15.000That's not all yours on some of these contracts.
00:24:18.000Oh yeah, because it'll even be called Oxygen Networks, whatever chick presents...
00:24:40.000They don't benefit from having a talented person on their show that rewards them and gives them ratings, which in turn gives them more advertising.
00:24:49.000They want a piece of your future prosperity.
00:24:52.000Your future prosperity based on you being an entertaining person that they put on television.
00:24:58.000So not only do they want to pay people just a shit tiny amount of money, then they want to script what they're doing, but then treat them like they're not even actors.
00:25:05.000They treat them like they're these weird slaves.
00:25:07.000These robots that they made to put out there in the world.
00:25:09.000Yeah, because no actors let anybody do that.
00:25:12.000You don't get on a sitcom and they say, okay, we own all your book sales and your fucking, you know, anything you do in the movies or anything from here on out.
00:25:20.000But the reality stars, though, Are you totally against it?
00:25:22.000Because there's some issue of the reality stars that are completely made by the network.
00:26:10.000If you're like the guy who's on The Bachelor and he owns like a horse stable, if after that show the horse stables business picks up huge, Dude, I think that's crazy talk.
00:26:28.000I think a person who's working for you when they're doing something like that, if you're a producer of a television show or an executive in a network or what have you...
00:27:49.000The reason why they want you on the show in the first place, whether you're some crazy housewife that fucking gets pilled up and starts screaming at people, or whether you're Charlie Sheen, if he ever does a reality show, the reason why they want you is because they think people are going to tune into you and they're going to benefit from that.
00:28:04.000They can't own you because they made you.
00:28:09.000I can't even remember who you're talking about.
00:28:11.000I'm not talking about anybody in specific.
00:28:12.000I'm talking about these reality shows.
00:28:14.000These reality shows where they take people, and we're talking about him being forced to wear those shirts, and I'm saying that these shows, like him saying that he was going to be managing him for three years afterwards, they connect people in these weird ways where they'll own you for a long time.
00:28:32.000After your thing, they'll get a kickback.
00:30:55.000You know, if the Kardashians aren't fighting with their mom or fighting with their boyfriend or this guy's out of rehab or that girl's pregnant, it's always like something you're tuning into.
00:34:20.000He handled it way better than if that chick started slapping me.
00:34:23.000Well, this gets into the subject of what we were talking about the other day with Anthony Cumia getting hit on the street while he's taking photographs.
00:36:01.000Yeah, and the amount of distance that your head travels.
00:36:04.000If you're a six-foot-tall man and someone knocks you out, you're probably going to travel a good five and a half, six feet.
00:36:10.000I mean, depending on how you're standing, you go unconscious, that's a lot of distance, probably more than six feet, because you're going to fall back first, too.
00:36:20.000I mean, there's probably going to be a lot of momentum connected to your head bouncing off that concrete.
00:36:48.000I know there's people like that out there.
00:36:49.000I know there's people that have experienced just...
00:36:52.000Awful shit from the time they were born.
00:36:54.000If you grow up in a household where everybody's beating the fuck out of everybody, and you go to school, and people beat the fuck out of everybody, and you see abuse, and you see people are going to jail left and right, and life has no value, and you're seeing people die, that's what you're seeing.
00:37:08.000When you watch those world star hip-hop tapes where a dude's out cold, and guys are running by just punting him in the head, I've seen a bunch of those.
00:38:16.000But if you were confronted by someone that you were trying to protect, someone that you cared about very much, and you're trying to protect them, that's when people get murderous, when they feel like someone is trying to murder someone you love.
00:38:32.000But as I'm saying, my point is being like, I promise whatever the situations were, On the World Star Hip Hop videos where guys are getting face-punted, I promise they weren't...
00:38:47.000Yeah, or talking shit, or starting a fight when they were too drunk and they got knocked out, and then once they were out, everybody just started taking free shots at them.
00:39:15.000That was supposedly what happened, was he died.
00:39:17.000I mean, the noise he's making after that excess...
00:39:20.000And what's ridiculous about it, it was such a...
00:39:24.000A cock-wagging, because the reason that guy went so far is because when he was trying to do a show-off like, oh, let me stand up and fight this guy, and shut him up, he wasn't doing very good.
00:39:36.000The karate guy was not beating his ass in this fight.
00:39:39.000This weirdo was actually giving him a hard time to some degree.
00:39:42.000Well, the other guy knew how to fight a little bit.
00:39:44.000You know, the other guy knew how to fight a little bit.
00:43:51.000There's a thing that happens in martial arts schools, though, where if you're running a martial arts school, crazy people will show up, and they'll start shit.
00:45:24.000In this video, it seemed like they lured the guy in, set him up, and then beat the shit out of him to death.
00:45:29.000The saddest part is at one point, during when they're just kind of like, it almost seems like slapboxing, the homeless guy stops him and he goes, you're good.
00:46:22.000But I wonder if they just got away with shit like that and this was the only one that people saw.
00:46:27.000I wonder if this had happened more than once.
00:46:29.000Because if a guy's willing to beat a guy to death like that and then dispose of a body, and this is the only piece of evidence that some schizophrenic guy was murdered...
00:46:38.000Like, that motherfucker's probably killed a bunch of people before.
00:46:42.000We don't know what kind of action he saw.
00:46:44.000You know, if you're serving your country and you're used to killing people on a regular basis, then you come back home and some fucking crazy schizo guy wants to come into your karate school and talk shit, yeah, you'll let a guy kill him.
00:49:12.000And this is a good thing to experience because it's very dangerous.
00:49:15.000So you're going to have to perform under some very real pressure.
00:49:19.000like people just swinging at your face and you know you're dancing around inside this closed area looking to knock each other out and it happened a lot it happened I mean I'm not a lot but it happened every three four months over the course of like seven years that I was there every three or four months some guy from another school We'd come into town and would want to show people up.
00:49:38.000You'd want to show everybody how much better his style was, and people would duke it out.
00:49:42.000It was crazy when you stop and think about it.
00:49:45.000This is all pre-UFC, and there was a lot of delusional people, too.
00:49:49.000There was a lot of people that thought that their martial art literally could not be beaten.
00:49:52.000They did a certain type of Wing Chun, and if they could go to a Taekwondo school and spar, they would just run through people.
00:49:57.000There would be no way they could stop them.
00:49:58.000Did you get half off your monthly dues if you won the fight?
00:50:01.000I didn't pay after a certain amount of time.
00:50:22.000Like, the people that are first starting out, you have to learn in private lesson form.
00:50:27.000And since I advanced really quickly and I'd spent so much time there, I was pretty good at breaking down the technical aspects of certain moves.
00:52:15.000Like, flaws kind of become your virtues in comedy, you know?
00:52:18.000So the nerd who got beat up, now he's telling his stories about getting beaten up and now girls will fuck him because he knows how to tell it funny.
00:52:26.000See, that's the cool thing about comedy is there's so many versions, you know?
00:52:30.000Like, black guys have always had that thing where they're allowed to dress up really cool on stage, wear gold chains and crazy leather outfits.
00:52:38.000Like, remember Eddie Murphy in Delirious and in Raw?
00:53:59.000and you know you don't pick on any people that are below you but the reality is sometimes punching down is fucking hilarious sure it's not it's not always but it's about what what is the subject matter like what it like you could like i remember louis ck doing a bit about how his kid is a fucking asshole sure and it was really fucking funny because first of all you knew he wasn't serious right it was i mean he was talking about his kid like in a frustrated way About a kid just being a kid.
00:54:27.000I'm sure he loves his kid like he loves life itself.
00:55:24.000And just watching Nick Cannon buy an hour of television so he can slowly but surely peel down from a tuxedo to a tank top is...
00:55:33.000First of all, he has a backdrop that's just a million light bulbs, so when he moves, it's going to give you a fucking seizure.
00:55:40.000And his jokes are all like, you know you meet a girl up in a club and you're all like, spladoosh!
00:55:45.000Just noises, and then apparently Mariah Carey was texting that night, like live tweeting or whatever, and she goes, I told you my baby was funny!
00:56:40.000And they do the first round is just their set in front of an audience.
00:56:45.000And there's three people from the audience picked at random to be the judges where they give a score from one to five, five being the best, one being the worst.
00:57:06.000It looks like these guys didn't know they were going to do a TV show that day.
00:57:10.000And then round two they come out and they do some kind of like challenge that you don't know what.
00:57:14.000So they have a heckler in the audience or somebody comes out like they're a producer and hits you in the face with a pie and you got to keep going.
00:57:20.000And then they judge you on a score from one to five.
00:57:24.000And it's just horrible, horrible comedy.
00:58:52.000But forums like this, where comics and people get to talk, and there's so much inside information out now, I think it kind of weeds through that happening.
00:59:00.000And now I think the audiences are a little smarter in some circles.
01:00:45.000I just can't believe sometimes when you watch somebody and they're on television and their first joke is, now I know what you guys are thinking.
01:00:53.000Actually, I had a guy open for me one time on the road where he had a joke.
01:00:58.000I forget what it was about, but whatever it was, the crowd never laughed in the middle of it.
01:01:03.000And he goes, so my family used to run a funeral home.
01:01:07.000He goes, now you guys laugh, but no one laughed at that.
01:01:13.000But every time he goes, now you guys laugh.
01:01:24.000I feel like you should never, and a lot of us do, but you should never get on television with your first ever set.
01:01:30.000You know, when you go on the road, and me, you know, when I go on the road and someone opens for me, I'm generally getting somebody doing their first set.
01:02:00.000It's probably not good to have your first set, but if you've been doing stand-up for 10 years or whatever it is when you get your first set on TV, six years, just fucking accept it sucks.
01:02:08.000Just accept that it sucks and move on.
01:02:10.000And you won't know it sucks until you see it.
01:02:12.000You got to watch it on TV later in your career when you're better.
01:04:11.000So the movie company, even though it's like they pay her and she has a relationship with them, they don't give a fuck if something to her detriment builds up their movie.
01:04:21.000Yeah, probably after it's over, they probably would have protected her from it getting out, but once it's out, they're like, hey, look, in the long run, we're going to do Brooke.
01:07:54.000And by the way, when he's giving this speech...
01:07:57.000To it, these same guys who are getting ready to fuck stools and put in fake teeth are doing like, you know, like staring at him, give the speech, and like nodding their heads like Pacino's speech on any given Sunday.
01:08:07.000It's like an emotional, powerful speech, how we're changing comic view now.
01:08:10.000And then they went and put their fake teeth in.
01:08:12.000And they're like, yeah, let's go out there and show the world something.
01:08:15.000And then two minutes later, you're like, DJ, put that shit back on.
01:08:18.000You can fuck a bitch with fake teeth to this one.
01:08:24.000Those black circuits made for some great, great, great stories.
01:08:27.000I had a guy one time, this is a true story.
01:08:30.000Kev used to host a club in Atlantic City, Kevin Hart, called Sweet Cheeks.
01:08:40.000It was like everyone was wearing like zoot suits and shit and bringing like three chicks apiece and they were all dressed up fancy, but they'd interrupt dancing to do a comedy show.
01:08:50.000In the middle of the fucking night, like 2, 3 o'clock in the morning.
01:09:00.000They absolutely didn't like me at all, and I was going to bring a comic on stage, and I go, alright, buddy, I'm going to bring you up next to go, what's your name?
01:12:30.000There's tons of bar shows, but the old Red Rocks has one now that's in the corner.
01:12:34.000But the problem is New York is a billion times more bar shows than L.A. So all the local comics in L.A., they'll get that one shitty bar show, but it's like a month away when they get booked.
01:12:46.000How many rooms are there all told in New York, if you had to guess?
01:14:11.000It's also like the people that live in New York and go to New York, they're more into plays and live performances than I think the West Coast is.
01:14:19.000Well, if you're a young person or any person who's got free time at night and you're looking for some entertainment, it's one of the best places in the world to go.
01:14:46.000I mean, that's what people, if they've never been to New York before, they're like, there's so many restaurants, there's so many this, there's so many that.
01:15:05.000And then we're signing up for tomorrow.
01:15:08.000A lot of them is like the open mic nights.
01:15:10.000The open mic nights, they make people sit out there from 9 o'clock in the morning, whatever the fuck the sign-up time is, and they have to wait in line until they get picked, and then they go on next week.
01:15:47.000It's that same evil shit that makes producers put someone on a reality show and then try to own everything about them for the next 10 years or whatever the fuck it is.
01:16:36.000I know, I think, but that's only to a certain group of the big guys.
01:16:41.000But the average comic is what always tells me that.
01:16:45.000I did a club on the road one time where there was, like, young comics hanging out, so I was, like, I talked to them for a little while, and I was, like, you know, if you guys want to go on, like, you know, you can put you guys on, like, you guys, each one do, like, seven minutes or something, go for it.
01:16:58.000And they told me, and I confirmed with the club that they go, oh, no, the club doesn't do guest spots at all.
01:18:35.000Because you were saying that people complain about their home club.
01:18:39.000When someone moves to New York from their home club, where they started, it's a coin flip whether they're going to say it was a great experience, they're very supportive of them.
01:18:48.000They get behind some people, the local clubs, and then some, they're just like, they're such shitty people.
01:18:53.000I never understand being shitty to local talent.
01:18:56.000There's crazy people who own clubs, crazy people who own dance clubs, crazy people who own restaurants.
01:19:01.000There really tends to be a certain personality type, yeah.
01:19:03.000You gotta be a hardcore motherfucker to own a bar, you know, and to own a comedy club and just want to deal with comedians all the time, you gotta be either someone who loves comedy or an insane person.
01:19:12.000Do you get frustrated when people that are around comedy enough, even if it doesn't make sense in their life, they're like, I'm gonna try, and they start doing open mics or you like, go for it.
01:19:22.000Do you get like, I know there's club owners in New York even that just fucking start doing comedy after owning the club for like three years, they're like, I'm doing it, I'm gonna give it a shot.
01:20:36.000It looks a lot more fun than my stupid thing.
01:20:38.000Well, it's also when they're around comics, they see how fun it is, and they see how comics think, and then they start thinking like comics and saying ridiculous shit.
01:20:46.000If you're around a chick long enough, she'll start seeing how you pick things apart and make jokes.
01:20:53.000Like, if you're around someone who's really funny at work, you know, and this, like, I used to have this boss who was a private investigator.
01:21:39.000If you were not enjoying your life and not enjoying your job, but you saw a guy like you having the fucking time of his life, cracking jokes, making shit, you're like, God damn it, I think I could do that.
01:21:48.000He looks way better than a regular job if you're a person that has a regular job.
01:21:54.000And then someone like Big J comes along and you're hanging out with him and you're watching how he does it.
01:21:58.000You're like, this fucking guy's barely working here.
01:22:20.000And are they, like, genuinely happy for your success and, like, dig what you do?
01:22:24.000I have one friend from, like, growing up that I'm still friends with, and it's because he's the only one of my friends that is doing what he wanted to do also.
01:22:32.000You have to have that self-security before you can, like...
01:23:01.000I'm like, well, hang here for a few minutes, catch up, and whatever.
01:23:04.000They go, the place kind of closes in like an hour, and you're like, alright, bye, fuckfaces, I guess.
01:23:09.000So what did you want them to spend more time?
01:23:12.000I didn't even dote over me, but I haven't seen these people in a while, and I was genuinely curious about what's going on with them.
01:23:16.000But you didn't want to go to their spot.
01:23:18.000But I just also, they were very dismissive of the whole thing.
01:23:21.000They're like, thanks dude, pretty good job.
01:23:23.000It just seemed very like, if they would have been like, wow dude, this is a pretty extraordinary thing you're doing.
01:23:30.000I'm not saying they had to say those words, but if they showed that at all, it makes them have to face the fact that he said he was going to be a pilot, but he's working at a fucking gas station.
01:23:39.000Do you attribute it to jealousy, or do you just disinterest, or what do you attribute it to?
01:23:46.000I know when I first started doing it, again, like you said, the way you did Taekwondo, it's a heavy commitment, especially because I started going after the first year of just doing it in Philly.
01:23:56.000Keith Robinson grabbed me, Kurt Metzger, and Kevin Hart and started taking us up to New York.
01:24:00.000And when I did that, I started not being able to do all the bullshit with my friends that we were doing.
01:24:05.000I wasn't part of like Dollar Beer Night anymore, you know what I mean?
01:24:09.000So they feel like you kind of left them.
01:24:11.000And, but when I would come back and be like, hey guys, I'm doing this cool thing, like come check this out.
01:24:15.000They were just very like, eh, I don't care.
01:24:18.000You know, and it's like, oh no, I'm going to go do this neat show in Atlantic City or whatever.
01:24:22.000Well, isn't that the case always in life when you're growing up?
01:24:24.000There's certain people that you grow up with because they went to school with you and they were your friends and some folks evolve and develop and change and grow and some people stagnate and actually develop problems for themselves to distract themselves.
01:24:36.000Like, Have you had circumstantial friendships in comedy?
01:26:22.000He should have never just written him off.
01:26:25.000If a guy's your friend and he's involved in some sort of a public crisis like Anthony was, you know, first of all, you have to recognize there's a tremendous amount of stress involved in any sort of physical altercation.
01:26:37.000So don't expect people to behave rationally after someone punched him.
01:26:41.000And then two, don't expect people to behave rationally after gigantic groups of people start calling you a racist and saying what you're doing by writing all these things.
01:27:18.000That's what makes Joe a really funny comic, is that he obsesses on things.
01:27:22.000He thinks about things until he finds out what's really funny about them, and then he figures out a way to do it on stage, and figures out a way to cut it down to a really funny joke.
01:27:31.000That same sort of curiosity, sensibility, obsession, all the combination of things mixed together in a stew, sometimes you can fuck with your personal life.
01:27:40.000I think that's probably what happened there.
01:27:43.000You know, that if it was a more rational circumstance for Anthony, more rational response by Joe, I think they could have had a conversation about it and worked it through.
01:27:51.000And I think they did, kind of, on the show.
01:27:53.000I just don't understand how Joe, in any way, shape, or form, had a feeling where it was like this effect to him in some way.
01:28:53.000And I think if he'd done it eloquently, which I'm sure he would have, there would have been a tremendous amount of support for keeping him on the show.
01:29:18.000You know, where he and I, I don't know what his take on the social ramifications or the reasons for this racial issue or this violence issue in the black community.
01:29:28.000You know, I think it's an economic thing.
01:29:30.000What I've always pointed to is the gypsies.
01:29:32.000Gypsies in England and Ireland who are constantly getting involved in crime and fighting and they're wild motherfuckers and they're white.
01:29:41.000You know, it's those type of people, people that live in these economically challenging situations where there's a lot of bad people around them and a lot of crime and violence.
01:29:52.000That's the soup you fucking were born into and shit's hard to deal with for everybody.
01:29:58.000And I think that what he did is also, it's a function of that form of media, like doing things in 140 characters.
01:30:07.000You can't express yourself very good in 140 characters.
01:30:10.000And if you take, even if you take something from something you said in this podcast and put it in 140 characters in quotes and put it on a tweet, it can make it look like a real piece of shit, you know?
01:30:19.000Well, but what he did really was like...
01:30:21.000He just tweeted out what he should have just said while he, you know, punched a piece of plywood.
01:30:27.000Or, no, he should have said it on the radio.
01:30:48.000And I said, and he's such a guy who's used to preaching to the choir, and he forgot that there's, like, regular people behind that choir that are going to be like, wait, what?
01:30:55.000Waiting to hear, catch something like that.
01:30:57.000It's way easier to take your tweet and retweet it than it is to say, hey, you've got to listen to Anthony on SiriusXM this morning.
01:31:04.000When he was going off about how there's a violence problem in the black community and all the crazy shit that he screamed and yelled about.
01:31:10.000But to someone to just take those tweets and retweet them or take them and cut and paste them and put them in a blog completely outside of the context of who you are, what your style of communicating with has always been on the show.
01:31:22.000The style of communicating on the show has always been him screaming.
01:32:16.000A lot of people will take a lot of the things that he said on the radio show, cut him out of context, put it up and say that these are more pieces of evidence that he's racist.
01:32:29.000I think that he, like a lot of people that have been involved in these type of scenarios...
01:32:34.000You only see the person's attacking you, and you only see the group that they're attached to.
01:32:39.000And if I lived in New York and I had to deal with a lot of bullshit on a regular basis, I don't know how much bullshit he deals with, but whether it was bullshit coming from Irish people, or it's bullshit coming from, you know, Asian people that are fucking with me all the time.
01:32:52.000I mean, if you're living in a group where there's a certain number of people from X community that are causing a lot of crimes, You're always going to have some frustration.
01:33:00.000You're always going to be upset about that.
01:33:04.000I've never had long, uncensored conversations with him about this.
01:33:08.000I've talked to him on the radio, and I love talking to him.
01:33:11.000So if I had a guess, I would say no, I don't think he's racist.
01:33:14.000I think he's just not scared of speaking his mind about very controversial issues that very easily Come across as racism when he's describing things like very real statistics, like crime statistics.
01:33:30.000I mean, if you look at crime statistics and the amount of young African-American men that are in jail, it's fucking bananas.
01:33:36.000It's bananas representative of the population as a whole, like this small amount of people that are black and then the large amount of black guys that are in jail.
01:33:44.000You would go, okay, well, is that evidence of racism?
01:33:48.000That that's why they're being prosecuted or is it evidence that they're committing far more crimes?
01:34:10.000But my point is, you can get those facts out If it had been a bunch of Irish people and he was like, you know, this Mick Ginger fuck just punched me, you know, cunt just punched me in the face.
01:34:21.000Because he's white, he could do it, but if he was black.
01:34:24.000But then his tweets would resonate more.
01:34:27.000It wouldn't make any kind of news, but at least it would resonate more if he had some kind of facts and figures to support, you know, whatever.
01:34:35.000Joe, don't you find it interesting, though, that after all this recent shit about him being racist, that he doesn't just kind of back off and just for like a year talk about cupcakes or something like that?
01:34:46.000He's actually pushing it almost to the point of like, he's really proving freedom of speech and everything.
01:34:56.000Like he's almost trying to make a point about, you know.
01:34:59.000What are the examples you're talking about?
01:35:01.000Well, like, you know, after all this thing of him being racist on Twitter, then he started going off on Ferguson, you know, all the Ferguson stuff.
01:35:10.000But what did he, you see, when you talk about things like that, like, do you know specifically what he said about Ferguson?
01:35:14.000I can pull it up, I don't have that memory.
01:35:17.000What we know is about what Joe DeRosa talked about the other day, but he didn't cite any specifics either.
01:35:21.000So I don't know what Anthony said about Ferguson.
01:35:23.000If I knew, then I can comment on it specifically.
01:35:26.000Well, I mean, I follow him on Twitter, and he's still doing silly things.
01:35:44.000Yeah, he doesn't back off for a reason, it seems like.
01:35:46.000I think most people, if you got that much, like, you lost your job, you got in trouble on Twitter about a certain subject, then I'm like, alright, I'm not going to talk about Pi for a while.
01:36:19.000Because if you do it through advertisers, that way he's going to get a large number of people that are going to listen to it because if it's free, but he's kind of hamstringing himself by making a subscription service.
01:36:28.000To make it cost money, you're definitely cutting people out of it, but I think there'll be an initial thing, but you have to get people to latch on board.
01:36:36.000It's really hard to get people to pay for shit on the internet in this day and age.
01:36:41.000There's so much awesome stuff that's free.
01:36:42.000Howard Stern gives you, like, you know, I mean, you basically are paying for Sirius for, like, that or ONA, and you can't argue that, like, Stern Channel gives you, like, tons of energy.
01:36:50.000You know, for what you're paying, like, he gives you a lot of different stuff.
01:36:53.000It's, like, him all day and other shows and...
01:36:55.000And his old content and just like fun productions and stuff.
01:40:39.000Otherwise, they throttle back Netflix users.
01:40:42.000There's a lot of, like, weird, shady shit when it comes to, like, bandwidth and how much bandwidth it's worth and how much bandwidth gets soaked up by different applications.
01:40:51.000What shitty Ben Affleck, Justin Timberlake movie are you going to make about that?
01:41:02.000If you're trying to sell shit online, unless you're a Netflix, like if HBO became an online thing only, even with all their awesome shows that they have, that would be tough.
01:41:13.000Although, that said, the hipsters have dominated that world, and a lot of them don't do cable at all and just get a subscription to HBO Go and Showtime.com and all that stuff, and they watch all their shit like that.
01:41:25.000Well, there's a lot of people that do it through iTunes.
01:42:21.000I stopped now, but for a long time, well beyond needing one, I always had a house phone, like a landline.
01:42:27.000So I was like, you're supposed to have a landline, just in case.
01:42:30.000But it's just gone all, I bought into the cell phone now.
01:42:33.000Well, it's also like, you don't ever want to have something that you can't just turn off.
01:42:37.000The beautiful thing about a cell phone is you shut that bitch off and nobody can get in touch with you.
01:42:43.000But, um, yeah, like, those, uh, a lot of people do that Netflix thing now where they don't have cable, they just have Netflix and they use, like, their computer for shit and then hook up one of those, uh...
01:43:39.000You owe it to the Jeff Healy band to do it.
01:43:41.000I want you to be nice until it's time to not be nice.
01:43:44.000How I know when that is, I will tell you.
01:43:47.000My mom used to come home from work in the middle of the night and feed my little brother and we didn't have cable and we had a VCR and we had Roadhouse and she would watch Roadhouse every night.
01:43:56.000My mother knows every line to Roadhouse.
01:44:11.000If you go back in time to when those video stores were out, like the local video stores, like every community had a local video store, like a mom and pop video store.
01:44:20.000And then the Blockbuster came in, and fucking, oh my god, Blockbuster's gonna shut down all these mom and pop video stores.
01:44:25.000In a lot of ways they did, except Blockbuster didn't have porn.
01:44:29.000So if you wanted to get the porn, you'd have to go to the mom-and-pop video stores.
01:44:32.000If you came back to that day when those things were all, like, everywhere, and you said, within a couple decades, these won't even exist anymore.
01:44:59.000There was no, like, the covers were up on the wall, but you got a red box.
01:45:03.000And the beauty of that was I would try to just, like, find, like, my mom and step-pop would rent porno movies when I was younger, I guess, for themselves.
01:45:13.000They'd leave it in the VCR. We only had one VCR, so I guess they'd watch it when I'd stay at my grandmom's, and I'd come and I'd see the title of it.
01:45:20.000And they'd always find titles that weren't very porn-sounding.
01:45:24.000And then I would go, I'd stay at my grandmom's the next night, and I would tell her, like, hey, if I reserve movies, go pick them up, and I would reserve...
01:45:30.000I'd send my little grandma in to go pick up porn movies for me.
01:45:34.000She'd be like, you want me to make popcorn and we'll watch it together?
01:45:36.000I'm like, I'm going to probably watch it later.
01:46:11.000There was a mom-and-pop place when I used to hang out at this pool hall in White Plains, New York, and there was a mom-and-pop place across the street that they found out had Tracy Lord videos that were illegal.
01:50:29.000So, I mean, like, she's, you know, hopefully to the best of my knowledge not doing this stuff, but they were doing a thing a few years ago where the kids would wear the colors, you snap off the color, that means, like, you know, finger your asshole in the locker room, and then you go do it.
01:50:42.000And the girls would always be like, ugh, so unfair.
01:51:11.000And if I was playing Madden on the loading screens on PlayStation 2, I would constantly flip back, like...
01:51:18.000Back and forth to the Playboy channel?
01:51:19.000Just to see whatever it was, because there'd be a girl with her pussy out, and that would just, for some reason, I'd be like, I'm gonna watch that for a minute, and then go back to the loading screen.
01:52:24.000You could if you were, like, trapped, though.
01:52:27.000Like, if you were, like, in the Amazon jungle for, like, six months, and then all of a sudden you got to a hotel room, like, oh my god, TV, and you flip through the channels, and Carry On, Emmanuel was on, and it was, like, a little shitty filter, because the cameras they used back then were dog shit, so it was,
01:52:42.000like, there was no HD. It was, like, really low resolution and kind of fuzzy, and Oh, I used to be able to jerk off to, like, the Girls Gone Wild, like, promo video on, like, E! Channel at night.
01:52:51.000But, I mean, it's just, like, it's just such a thing of the past.
01:53:53.000Excitement of that because it's so out there.
01:53:54.000There's still something more exciting.
01:53:56.000If you saw a girl that was hot at the gas station and somehow you were able to see her 10 minutes later do something where you opened the door by accident and she was naked, that's way more exciting.
01:55:02.000And then the head shake you make it yourself when you're just jerking off to that third one you found like 40 minutes later, you're like, come on, man.
01:56:10.000It's a girl who comes from England, a porn producer who's like, you're a beautiful baby, you're going to just...
01:56:15.000Basically, it starts out where you're just going to do pictures and lesbian porn, and then before you know it, they get to sets, and it's like, well, I thought you said we were just going to watch today.
01:57:23.000And then she agrees to do it and the documentary guys step in and they turn the camera off and it just says, like, at this point, we thought she wasn't responsible for herself anymore and they pulled her out of it.
01:59:53.000See, it's a tricky situation because I think anybody with any ethics or morals that looks at that guy and the kind of videos he did, you don't want to be attached to that.
02:00:37.000In their eyes, the prosecutor's eyes, I think, if I had a guess, that they found a guy who had made this sort of evil business off of a loophole.
02:00:48.000And that loophole was the freedom of expression.
02:01:44.000There's no like story arc where someone comes along and they fucking find this guy and they lock him up in jail at the end and everybody feels safe.
02:02:11.000the compilations of like just not even the sex part just the guys being mean to the chick it's like they bring in like awful like unattractive women and they shit on them and then fuck them it's very weird yeah they smack them there's a lot of physical abuse there's like physical abuse that would be illegal and you would actually go to jail for like you can't smack a chick in the face but like yeah you can't you can't really sign a waiver to say that's okay I guess like you sort of can I mean like wrestling right But isn't it different if it's a guy smacking a woman?
02:07:19.000I mean, every fucking YouTube video that comes out has a thousand comments.
02:07:22.000People are duking it out in the comment section, and people get fired up about almost everything and anything.
02:07:27.000And if they have the license to be offended, if people have the license to be offended, like, they can think that what you said is not funny, you know, they can think that what you said is cruel, but this license to be offended.
02:08:01.000I mean, if you talk about it and you engage them and they get to be upset about you and find other folks that are upset about it as well, everybody gets to have a little bit of attention about it.
02:08:10.000That's why, you know, it's obviously one of the most famous moments on the show, but that's why I was always, I was, I was very tight with Kilstein, like Jamie Kilstein at one point, and like as a comic coming out against comedy, that blew my mind so much when that happened.
02:08:26.000I still once in a while go back and watch that whole thing because I'm trying to get where he was coming from with that.
02:08:32.000Where he's coming from is a very rigid ideology.
02:08:35.000There's a very rigid ideology of what the people that are talking down on it would call the social justice warriors.
02:08:44.000They talk about it in a mocking sense, social justice warriors.
02:08:47.000But social justice warriors, the idea behind the super male feminists, very liberal, a lot of them vegan, this whole idea of do the least amount of harm possible.
02:08:59.000They have a very rigid ideology when it comes to certain things.
02:09:02.000They don't leave any room for certain things to be discussed in a mocking manner.
02:09:07.000And I think that you get stuck in that world, if you're in that world, they have very rigid rules.
02:09:14.000They don't think you should ever say a joke about rape.
02:09:17.000What was really fucked up is Jamie had one about rape.
02:09:19.000It was about men getting raped, and it was okay.
02:09:22.000It's like, you just can't have any mocking jokes about any woman getting raped.
02:09:28.000Even if the Daniel Tosh situation was such an obvious line.
02:11:53.000First thing they do that made me laugh was the whole SVU team goes and sits front row at his comedy show, is what they do first, and they're just sitting there staring and shaking their heads, and you almost want to go, you guys are actually being a pretty shitty audience.
02:12:06.000At the end of the day, it's like, if you're going to sit there and stare, at least sit in the back.
02:12:10.000That seems like kind of a weird, like, you're making the show get weird and rapey by staring, staring at him, but then what they do, the big payoff, is at the end of the whole episode, they make that he was also a rapist.
02:12:22.000I actually tweeted out, I was like, pretty fucking irresponsible.
02:12:25.000Like, that's a really irresponsible thing for a show like that to do.
02:12:29.000You would think that it, by the way, the kind of people that actually would be rapists, they would be talking about how rape is awful.
02:12:35.000Because they would probably be trying to throw people off the face.
02:12:39.000They wouldn't be like raping all the time and then joking about raping all the time.
02:12:43.000Like that sounds like the exact opposite of what you would do if you were trying not to get busted being a fucking rapist.
02:13:05.000Yeah, but then he would go like those block bookings, like he would go do one school, pick out the chick, go to the next school, and then double back.
02:13:14.000So I think he pulled it off for a while.
02:13:59.000I think rape, there always has to be, like, it seems to me like there's got to be a shut up or I'll do this element to it because I feel like you just couldn't.
02:14:09.000It's like professional wrestling, like how you couldn't suplex somebody, like a vertical suplex that doesn't want to be suplexed.
02:14:14.000You couldn't possibly do it to someone.
02:14:16.000I feel like How could you fuck someone who's really snapping their legs shut and fighting?
02:14:20.000That almost seems like it's an impossible task.
02:16:41.000You can see me appearing at the Tomahawk University, announcing my college tour.
02:16:49.000It's called the Don't Worry, I Don't Believe I Could Possibly Rape You Tour.
02:16:54.000Hey, everybody has their own confidence level.
02:16:58.000What they can pull off and can't pull off in this life.
02:17:00.000If you feel like you're limited in that regard.
02:17:03.000I can never dunk a basketball and I can never rape.
02:17:05.000Those are the two things I physically can't pull off.
02:17:07.000It is a fucked up thing, man, that's so common in the animal community, like violence and sex.
02:17:14.000I was watching this documentary, or was listening to this podcast, rather, about Tasmanian devils and how vicious Tasmanian devils are with each other, and that while they're having sex, they always bite each other.
02:18:45.000One of them was on the apocalypse, like what the asteroid impact did and how many animals were killed off and what the original humans probably looked like.
02:18:54.000The thing that became a human that was alive back then, this fucking burrowing underground mammal-rodent type thing.
02:19:01.000But they were doing this radio lab one on these Tasmanian devils and this cancer that was spreading.
02:21:20.000Just, oh yeah, they still keep proving themselves?
02:21:22.000Well, there was a leopard, there was a story about a leopard, it was in the news yesterday, about a leopard in India that they think is responsible, one individual leopard, responsible for 15 deaths, 15 different people, that it targets drunk people, and that it waits, yeah,
02:21:42.000Yeah, well, people, you know, they go out and they start partying, and this leopard has apparently developed this taste for drunk people.
02:21:48.000Like, he knows that when people come out of these bars, they're slow, and they don't know what the fuck's going on, they're not on the ball, and they get jacked.
02:21:58.000It's almost weird to walk out of anywhere in the world of a bar and there's a leopard waiting for you.
02:24:28.000You know, I tell you what, I've talked about some shit on this podcast and gotten, you know, a lot of people's reactions about it, but one of the biggest reactions I ever got about anything I said was that I was talking about Jon Jones, and I said, I wonder how much of, like, why he's not popular is racism.
02:24:43.000Even if you even say you wonder that someone might be racist, like, if someone's reaction to something, it's probably, like, flipping of me to say, like, that's, like, especially when you're not considering it before you're saying it, you're just discussing a subject because you think it's interesting.
02:24:57.000It's such a charged subject, you gotta have like a fully formed idea before you say it.
02:25:02.000But just the mere possibility that some people could be racist.
02:25:36.000Well, it's just such a highly charged subject.
02:25:39.000It's a fascinating thing that it's so highly charged.
02:25:42.000That, you know, even a mere suggestion.
02:25:44.000And if people thought in some way that I meant, if you don't like them, it's because you're racist, then that's my shitty job of communicating an idea.
02:26:03.000Like when Jerry Cooney fought Larry Holmes, I remember very clearly being embarrassed that I rooted for Jerry Cooney because he was a white guy.
02:26:11.000Because I remember Larry Holmes boxed the shit out of him.
02:28:21.000Did you ever watch that documentary, speaking of boxing, about the guy, what was his name, where they made his, like, inside of his gloves...
02:28:43.000Give me the other one, the one that I fixed.
02:28:45.000And then he gives it to Aaron Pryor, and Aaron Pryor goes out there like a fucking bat out of hell and knocks out Alexis Arguello in the next round.
02:28:50.000And they said it was some sort of a stimulant.
02:28:52.000Aaron Pryor wind up having a bit of a drug problem.
02:28:56.000So it could have been related in that way.
02:28:58.000But it's just weird how the fucking ferocity of the reactions when I brought up this racism thing.
02:29:06.000Maybe it was like irresponsible on my part, but I'm sort of happy that I brought it up anyway just because I'm fascinated by the response.
02:29:14.000And I'm fascinated by no black people disagreed with me.
02:29:51.000Look, there's 350 million people in this country.
02:29:55.000And if a million people like you and a million people hate you, this is a fucking wide variety of reasons.
02:30:01.000But to say that out of all the millions of people who know who you are, That there aren't a certain percentage of them that are racist seems disingenuous.
02:30:09.000I mean, it seems like there's a certain amount of people across the board that are going to be racist.
02:30:13.000If you have 350 million people, I don't know how many people you're going to get that are racist, but there's got to be a certain percentage that has to be factored in there.
02:30:21.000So, you know, saying you wonder how much of it is...
02:30:24.000I think the interesting thing is that I think Floyd Mayweather...
02:30:28.000People that hate him, I bet there's a lot more racism involved in that than Jon Jones.
02:30:32.000Jon Jones gives you pretty valid reasons to be like, this guy's sort of a dick.
02:30:35.000Just publicly, from what you see, you know, I don't know anything of him other than what I see in the press and on the shows.
02:30:41.000But I mean, like, Mayweather's a guy, you know, you see, he's like, you know, the press is talking to him, he's like throwing $100 bills on the ground, you know, he's just like...
02:30:49.000He's a master showman in that regard, too, though.
02:31:24.000If he gets tagged once or twice hard in a fight, it's shocking and rare.
02:31:28.000But there's a lot of fights where he'll go the entire fight just boxing someone's face off and not get hit at all.
02:31:34.000So for every Sugar Shea Mosley who connects or every Maidana right hand that lands, there's a lot of rounds where he's not even getting hit.
02:31:41.000He's just slipping out of things and moving and doing things to you that you didn't expect and moving in a way that you didn't anticipate and Being nowhere near you when you're looking to hit him.
02:31:51.000You know, he's a master, but he's also a master of manipulation.
02:31:54.000I mean, he's playing the heel, where I think John is just a young guy figuring it out on his own while he's one of the baddest men on the planet at 25 years of age.
02:32:05.000And he's had this ridiculous rise to success that happened in a really short period of time.
02:32:11.000Like, From the time he was like 21 years old to the time that he's 25, starts martial arts and becomes the light heavyweight champion.
02:32:20.000I mean, he had a martial art background because he was a really good wrestler and did know some kicking and punching and stuff before he started into MMA. But he got into MMA because he got his girlfriend pregnant.
02:32:30.000And he, you know, he couldn't go to college.
02:32:32.000He wanted to do the right thing and said, all right, fuck it, I'll start fighting.
02:33:40.000You could hear, but when he walks over, it's funny, Greg Jackson, you could hear him say to him, he goes, John, go win these people back and go check if he's okay.
02:33:53.000I think, but also I think to be a bad motherfucker at that high level, like a lot of times these guys are so intense that they get completely caught up in it and they're just trapped in the moment.
02:34:47.000Babalu, who's another famous mixed martial arts fighter, great fighter, who fought in a bunch of different organizations.
02:34:55.000He lost his gig with the UFC, partially because he held onto this guy after he was done choking him, and then talked about it in the post-fight press interview with me.
02:35:06.000That guy was, I mean, not doing anything that B.J. Penn hadn't done.
02:35:11.000B.J. Penn did the same thing to Jens Pulver.
02:35:13.000Like, Pulver was tapping, he still fucking hung on to it because they were angry at each other.
02:36:34.000Once you lose your mojo, man, isn't it amazing if Roy Jones overnight went from still doing amazing things and then he lost and he lost again and he lost...
02:36:59.000And there's a lot of other factors involved in Roy, too, because he went up to heavyweight and then really had to dehydrate himself and weaken himself very badly, getting back down to light heavyweight again.
02:38:37.000And one of the things that he did brilliantly with Manny Pacquiao is after Pacquiao got knocked out, he told him, you're not going to fight for a year.
02:38:45.000He's like, take your head out of this.
02:40:08.000Yeah, that was definitely the first thing.
02:40:10.000But to come back, because he came back and then was pretty great again, but then by the time he came back on The Wizards that one time, it was like, why even?
02:40:16.000You never wanted to believe it wouldn't be good anymore.
02:40:50.000No, somebody was saying that he was outside of a mall asking for money, but then I think that turned out to be a bullshit rumor that someone started.
02:43:53.000He's, like, the Lady is the Queen, I think.
02:43:55.000Like, he has, like, a book out about, you know, being a cross-dresser.
02:43:59.000He used to do a whole show where he would, like, cross-dress this guy.
02:44:03.000And he's, like, a famous cross-dresser for Vegas.
02:44:05.000Like, one of those guys where, like, you really didn't see him or hear about him anywhere else, but if you're in Vegas, like Frank Marino, you'd see his name on these cabs, like the little triangle that sits on top of the cab.
02:46:39.000I mean, if he ever went out as Dan Whitney or did an interview, like on The View, he's one of the few real characters in stand-up.
02:46:46.000Whereas, like, if he went on The View, I don't know why I keep saying The View, but if he went on the Jimmy Fallon show, The Tonight Show, and he went on as Dan Whitney, it would probably blow his whole fucking thing.
02:47:53.000The comic strip in New York, I've told this on so many radio shows, but it does make me laugh that how things have changed and no one...
02:48:00.000It comes down on Eddie Murphy ever for this stuff, but they have two of his gold albums on the wall.
02:48:04.000And the first one, track four, is just called Faggots.
02:48:08.000And then track one on the next album is because it says Faggots and in parentheses it says Revisited.
02:48:16.000We didn't cover it all on the first go-round.
02:48:20.000Well, in that way, social justice warriors, as it were, are kind of important because that's the only reason why a lot of this change has taken place is because of how outraged people got.
02:48:32.000If people just kept quiet about it back then.
02:48:35.000So in a way, taking it too far sort of bounces back and has a healthy middle.
02:48:55.000If you let people go and be as racist and as homophobic and as hateful as they want and don't do anything about it, they kind of never realize that what they're doing is shitty.
02:49:07.000But because of the blowback, like Dice, all that crying and everything that he did, that's probably a direct result of blowback.
02:49:13.000He was constantly experiencing people that were protesting.
02:49:16.000Remember, he got kicked off of MTV for life.
02:49:19.000And I remember Kurt Loder saying about how unfunny it was.
02:49:25.000Okay, I guarantee you if he did that late night at the comedy store, it would fucking crush.
02:49:29.000So, like, are you recognizing this as a character, or do you think this is a real person who's saying these real things, and do you think there's any comedy in this play that he's putting on, which is essentially he's pretending to be this awful guy!
02:49:57.000I mean, is there a difference between that character and the bad guy character in a movie where the guy is running around killing people or raping people?
02:50:36.000I'm up here telling you, it's clearly...
02:50:39.000That was all my thing about with the Tosh, the lady getting so mad.
02:50:42.000It's like, do you believe for one split second that Daniel Tosh is pro-rape and has slipped through the cracks to find himself massive television success?
02:51:10.000So she decided that she was, for whatever reason, you know, she was justified in proving her point, or making her point, or expressing herself.
02:51:18.000Which, you know, you should be allowed to express yourself, but the idea that he's supposed to apologize for that, like, if you look at what it was on paper, and then they hear comics agreeing with him, that was just disappointing.
02:51:27.000But your outrage is supposed to come at, like, oppression, injustice, whatever.
02:51:32.000You're not supposed to, like, rage against the art of You know what I mean?
02:51:53.000Some people would be really happy if everybody was exactly like them.
02:51:56.000If everybody had the same sensibilities, sensitivities, everybody had the same ideas about what's important to talk about, what you can't talk about, what's taboo, what's okay.
02:52:46.000They arrested him because he tweeted some, and the band, I forget what the band's name was that came to his defense, but they're like, this is the lyrics to our song.
02:52:57.000It's like an anti-school shooting song.
02:52:59.000But it's like talking about where this all comes from.
02:53:03.000I don't know if it's an anti-school shooting song, but it's just a song.
02:53:06.000And it's coming from, like, the rage of, like, where's this guy feeling?
02:53:10.000And this guy tweeted this, these lyrics.
02:53:13.000Like, if you tweet something from a movie about, like, kill them all, let God sort them out, like, does that mean I'm going to go out and kill people?
02:53:20.000I mean, Gus Van Sant made a whole, basically, a Columbine movie.