On this week's episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, the boys are joined by rapper Kid Cudi to talk about his new album "The Captain's Hat" and how he got his nickname. They also talk about their favorite Captain & Tennille songs from the 70's and dive deep into the history of the Captain and Tennille band. Also, the guys discuss the dangers of drinking in public and how to deal with it, and why you should never drink in public with a Captain s Hat on. If you don't know who the Captain is, you're not going to want to miss this one, because it's a good one! The Captain is a hip hop group that formed in the late 60's and early 70's, and they were a staple of the music scene in the early 90's. They were known as The Captain's Band and Tennillies, and their music was a lot of fun to listen to and listen to. The captain's hat is one of the most iconic hats in the entire history of hip hop, and it's hard to find a better place to wear one than a captain s hat. We hope you enjoy this episode, and don't forget to check out the Captain's hat on the cover of the new album, "The captain's Hat." We'll see you in the next episode of JOKER, coming soon! . -Joe Rogan and the crew! -The Joe Rogans Experience. -Jon and the Crew (featuring special guest, Miles Teller, aka The Captain & The Captain. Jon Rogan and The Captain and the Captain (The Captain and The Tennille Band. ) Thank you to our sponsor, for sponsoring the podcast. . . . and we hope you all enjoy the show! and keep up with us on social media to keep us up to date with the latest in music and social media! , and we'll be back next week with more information on the latest music and things going on going on in the future of hip-hop and culture and culture! -Jon Rogan & the Captain & the captain's hats! ! Jon and the captain! -- -- The Captain (Captain's Hat -- Jon Rogans Podcast. --Jon Rogans , & the rest of the crew at The Captain And Tennille
00:02:09.000I think one of them got like some serious anorexia, though I think the woman got serious.
00:02:14.000I might be mixing my stories up from 1970s bands that I barely pay attention to, but you want to talk about some people that got some fucking stories, you know, the people that grew up during the 60s and were like famous during the 70s.
00:02:28.000That's a strange little slice of American life right there.
00:02:51.000Like, what the fuck did you say to me?
00:02:53.000Well, I think two things are going on.
00:02:54.000One, people are just nervous because there's a lot of news stories about terrible things that happen all over the world.
00:02:59.000Most of what you get in the news is terrible things.
00:03:01.000So people are always worried about terrible things when they meet strangers.
00:03:05.000And then two, everybody's fucking texting and emailing, and the amount of time you spend person to person has probably been greatly reduced.
00:03:43.000One of those dudes who doesn't smoke weed, doesn't drink, and don't do total straight edge, but you're wearing a captain's hat, you're a fucking idiot.
00:03:51.000But there's something, if you're like some Hunter S. Thompson dude with a captain's hat on, you're on mescaline while you've got a bottle of whiskey in one hand and a bottle of vodka in the other, I want to talk to that dude.
00:04:48.000I mean, you know, it's nothing too spectacular.
00:04:51.000I'm mostly like trying to stay creative and hang around family a lot and get family time in with my mom and my daughter and So my life is split between that and creating.
00:05:34.000It's just like, you know, but then when you have...
00:05:38.000You know, you have a lot of artists that come and, you know, end up having, like, a grassroots following, and they have a fan base that rides with them their entire career.
00:05:47.000That's, man, that's a blessing on top of a blessing.
00:05:51.000You never know, because today's audience, you know, these kids like you one minute, they hate you the next, like you one minute, they hate you the next, and to have a loyal fan base in that type of climate, it's awesome.
00:06:00.000Yeah, that is the thing that it used to be, like if you were a rapper or any kind of entertainer, you were only as good if you were a comedian.
00:06:08.000You were only as good as the people got to see you out there.
00:06:12.000It was really difficult to build a fan base if you weren't on something.
00:06:16.000If you weren't on a television show, or if you weren't a regular guest like The Tonight Show or something like that.
00:06:23.000It was really hard for someone to build a fan base.
00:06:25.000But today, because of the internet, rappers, singers, musicians, I mean everybody, comedians, all they can kind of keep tabs and just communicate with people directly.
00:06:34.000Yeah, and I feel like I kind of was at the beginning, the early stages of that wave.
00:08:23.000But in front of you, there's icons and things that I can move around.
00:08:27.000I can open things and close them, and you do it all with hand gestures.
00:08:31.000So, like, as I'm looking at you, if I had these goggles on, I'd be looking at you and I'd see these floating geometric objects, like boxes, circles, and you can open them up and close them and move them around and they stay places, like Minority Report style.
00:10:28.000I tweeted about it because it was so funny to me.
00:10:31.000My experience going on public with Google Glass is people just really thought that I was either taking a picture of them or filming them and people were really concerned.
00:10:38.000Because there's no recording lie and you can tell that there's a lens there.
00:10:43.000And especially once people ask you what it is and you say Google Glass, people have heard about it, they're like, are you filming me?
00:10:48.000And I thought it was interesting because this is something that you might see a celebrity freak out because they're getting photographed or filmed trying to live their lives and do something with their families.
00:10:59.000Try to have some privacy and then the public really doesn't understand why they might freak out and why that might be intrusive.
00:11:05.000But, you know, it's a funny twist for me to walk in a place and all of a sudden someone's like, oh, are you filming me?
00:11:10.000Or, whoa, whoa, whoa, like, what are you doing?
00:11:12.000And it's just like, no, I'm not filming a random person that's intrusive because I understand that that's intrusive.
00:11:18.000But it's a potential option for the future.
00:14:39.000Speaking of cameras, Joe, I just got one added to my car.
00:14:42.000So it records everything now that my car does, and it does it on GPS. And then when you watch it on your computer, it shows real-time Google Maps and like a 360 view almost of your car.
00:17:14.000And what's cool, it does like a DVR loop, like what security companies do, where they have to film everything, like a jewelry store or something.
00:17:21.000When it gets to the end of the memory card, it just goes back to the beginning unless you pull it out and save the files.
00:19:18.000Okay, did it really blow up in her pussy, or did she blow it up in her pussy and make it the equivalent to the Mexican dude slamming on his brakes on the highway?
00:20:00.000It's like the dumbest, like, because it's really for your back, because it's supposed to be high-powered, but, like, girls are getting so numb down there that they're using these Hitachis, these high-powered ones that just, like, shave off the walls of their vagina.
00:20:38.000So did circumcision fuck things up for us.
00:20:41.000Apparently, if you don't have a foreskin, the head of your dick gets, like, kind of just abused.
00:20:47.000It's always bouncing around inside your underwear.
00:20:50.000Having a foreskin, the reason why men are upset, not just the fact that it's ritual genital mutilation that doesn't make any sense, but also that it kills the sensitivity in your dick.
00:22:18.000He was having that thing, and they were talking about hope and change, and they were talking about, yes we can, and it was dark, and outdoors, and it was nice, and people were lighting candles, and they were saying, you know, and I just thought,
00:26:56.000I always see him in Bourbon, because I think he has a studio at Warner Brothers, so he's always walking on the sidewalk out there, and it's weird just driving by going...
00:27:04.000Dude, that guy gives a pass for life for me, for The Unforgiven.
00:27:08.000That, I think, is the greatest cowboy movie of all time.
00:27:57.000Just the way, I mean, I don't want to give away the ending, but the way it all goes down, so much more likely than most of those stupid shoot-'em-up movies.
00:28:23.000Yeah, that was a fascinating look at the Old West.
00:28:26.000That was almost like he did all those Westerns back in the day, like the good, the bad, and the ugly, and fun movies, but they weren't super realistic.
00:28:36.000And I think as he got older, I mean, I'm just speculating, but he wanted to do one more that really got it right, like the way they make movies today as opposed to the way they made movies back in High Plains Drifter days.
00:30:17.000Making a movie's got to be really hard.
00:30:19.000It can go down like that in music, though, too.
00:30:21.000My career is just purely my vision and stuff, so it's a little unorthodox than what most people do.
00:30:29.000The average pop star, it might be about six people involved just to get the album together.
00:30:37.000Somebody to get songwriters, somebody to get producers in the room.
00:30:42.000And then there could be chemistry's off.
00:30:44.000This person might not mess with this writer, and this producer might not mess with this artist, and there's all this going on.
00:30:50.000I'm pretty sure it gets messy, but I've just been blessed not to deal with that.
00:30:54.000I had an idea of what I wanted my career to be, and I've been sticking to that goal and that plan.
00:31:02.000What was the idea, if you could give us one line of it?
00:31:05.000Man, I really just truthfully wanted to tell my story and hopefully it inspired others to not feel alone, you know, and understanding they could persevere through anything, you know.
00:31:15.000At that time, I like to tell people I don't even know if I believed half of the shit I wrote.
00:31:21.000You know, like when I made Pursuit of Happiness, I was hopeful for happiness, but I was in such a dark place that that song for me was more of a nightmare more than, you know, supposed to be a happy, uplifting song.
00:33:39.000I mean, I wouldn't say no one, because I think people are capable of intellectualizing it, but most people have no idea, I should put it that way, how intense the love a person has for their kid is.
00:34:30.000And there's the difference between a whooping and a beating.
00:34:32.000Well, this Adrian Pugh thing, this NFL thing, the guy who beat his kid with a stick, you know, the excuses that, I guess, like when he was young, that's how they treated him.
00:35:18.000If we can find any way to be less violent, we should try it.
00:35:21.000Yeah, certainly anything where there's victims involved.
00:35:24.000Especially if the victim's a little kid.
00:35:27.000By the way, if you get kids used to the idea that the person they love the most, their parents, is a person who's going to beat them and hit them with things, you are introducing violence into that kid's life at a very early age.
00:35:40.000And that violence becomes a natural part of the world.
00:35:45.000That's why they say that people who are around their parents beating each other up are more likely to be involved in abusive relationships when they get older.
00:35:54.000They say that people who are hit by their parents or people who watch their parents hit each other and were hit by their parents, it's even worse, apparently.
00:36:05.000I mean, my mom spanked us, you know, but she had three boys to deal with by herself the majority of the time, you know?
00:36:12.000And I mean, it's not like, you know, I don't, you know, look at my mom as a villain and, you know, but she didn't beat us.
00:36:20.000I can't say, like, I've been beaten by my mom.
00:36:22.000Like, when I did some hoe-ass shit, you know, my mom reprimanded me and I... You know when you're doing some sucker shit as a kid, you know, especially before you do it.
00:36:32.000You know that there's a consequence that comes with that, but I've never experienced that, you know, what I'm pretty sure a lot of people are talking about right now, which is like thinking it's okay to beat up on your kids.
00:38:27.000I'm not sure if it's 100% real or not, but the girl boils water and then films her He's taking this huge thing of boiling water and pouring it over a dude's head, and there's pictures of him.
00:38:38.000He's been in the hospital with all these burns all over his body.
00:42:26.000So you, you know, getting out of high school and then growing up, like, essentially, like, young teens, your 20s, all that, like, being able to, like, get online at school and then being, like, completely immersed, like, being a part of, like, interactive communities,
00:42:44.000You're one of the first generations of musicians that's able to do that, that's able to go directly from high school into communicating online with people, releasing stuff online, and then...
00:42:58.000You know, becoming a part of this first generation.
00:44:09.000But, you know, it's really interesting how a lot of people just kind of like, you know, get this blessing, this job, get in this business, and they just, you know, get really caught up.
00:44:20.000And the beauty of Twitter, it's like, at first I was really against it because it just was so much, you know, unfilteredness, and I've learned to appreciate it.
00:44:29.000Like, literally, I get a lot of confidence just by looking at my feed and seeing maybe a couple tweets that are like, yo, man, keep doing it.
00:44:37.000And I'm not necessarily doing anything right now.
00:44:39.000I don't have any music coming out, but it's just a random Tuesday.
00:44:42.000And there's some kid in Minnesota that's like, yo, I fucking love you, dude.
00:44:55.000So like I wasn't really that big with.
00:44:57.000Talking, you know, and having such a presence online because I was weird about it, but now that I got a grip over it, it's no problem for me.
00:45:04.000I love that I can, you know, just hit up a kid randomly and just make their whole year, you know, and just give me some confidence or something.
00:45:10.000That's using it for good, you know, rather than me posting a picture of some jewelry or some new thousand dollar sneakers I bought that doesn't do anybody any good other than being like, damn, I ain't got shit.
00:45:22.000You know, that's the reality that people realize.
00:45:24.000And then it's like, well, I need to do what I got to do so I can have what he have.
00:45:27.000And I don't want people to think like that, you know?
00:45:30.000Like, when I post, I like to post, like, you know, maybe my lactate milk or...
00:45:35.000So does this come from, like, lessons that you've learned watching other people, but, like, their behavior, you felt like the shortcomings of their behavior once they became famous?
00:46:27.000Let's just say I got into what I would call a trifecta, which was I would wake up in the morning, I would, you know, do coke immediately, even before I had cereal breakfast.
00:46:40.000And then I would have a beer, and then I would smoke weed.
00:46:43.000So, like, I never wanted people to know I was doing cocaine, so the beer and the marijuana leveled me out in a way where I was able to walk in the streets and talk and seem as though I wasn't on anything.
00:47:16.000It did a positive thing for me, and that's why I didn't see it as an issue.
00:47:20.000It was like, damn, today I went walking in Soho with no place to go, and I was just high-fiving fans and shit.
00:47:27.000It was just the most amazing experience, something that I never get a chance to feel because I'm just such a recluse.
00:47:35.000At that time, it was just weirded out when people recognized me and just didn't want to go anywhere.
00:47:39.000Yeah, that's an issue with substances that can help you in some ways, but they're ultimately detrimental to your health or your well-being or your ability to keep it together.
00:48:42.000So it was like, you know, it was like...
00:48:46.000Two kind of life lessons back to back that I experienced in 2010. And, you know, my daughter's birth and being arrested were those two things because I think I had already started toning down my cocaine use at the beginning of that year.
00:49:00.000But then I was the king of like something...
00:49:03.000Tragic happening or something I felt was tragic or stressful and then spiraling back into it, just needing any excuse to be like, alright, I'm gonna go do cocaine now because I'm upset and I'm dealing with something I don't know how to do.
00:49:12.000It's just like my way of copping out and avoiding my issues.
00:51:44.000If I didn't do it, I would have blew my brains out.
00:51:46.000Well, I like how you describe it, too, because you're very honest about the positive aspects of the effects, and I think that's super important.
00:52:04.000You're very honest about the positive benefits of it.
00:52:07.000Like, people have this idea like you shouldn't talk about positive benefits of any drugs, whether it's harmless drugs like marijuana or dangerous drugs like cocaine, maybe even especially dangerous drugs like cocaine, because the reality of what you're saying, your experience and the positive aspects of your experience is like,
00:52:26.000he's promoting drugs, when clearly you're doing just the opposite.
00:52:30.000You're talking about how you needed them and used them and they helped you, but the reality is it was because you were dealing with an issue.
00:52:41.000And to lie and deny that, it clouds the issue.
00:52:44.000For people dealing with their own drug issues, dealing with their current drug issues or their past drug issues, people aren't honest about it, man.
00:52:52.000It puts people in this weird place where they're like, you know what, if it wasn't for fucking meth, I would have never started this business.
00:53:39.000I just know with kids listening to me talk now, it could be helping a lot of people.
00:53:45.000I'm not one of those people now that used to do cocaine and I'm like, oh, you're bad if you do cocaine or cocaine's bad and you shouldn't do cocaine.
00:54:05.000I didn't like the person I was becoming.
00:54:08.000There's some people that could do this shit and they could live and do it in moderation and it doesn't affect their lives, like how it affected mine.
00:54:38.000And I made that choice for myself, for my own health, for my daughter, for her future, for my fans.
00:54:44.000Yeah, a bunch of people quit cigarettes because of their daughter.
00:54:46.000Anthony Bourdain quit cigarettes because of his daughter, too.
00:54:49.000I just realized, like, what am I doing?
00:54:51.000Yeah, I mean, for me, like, my father passed away from cancer.
00:54:55.000All my uncles passed away from cancer.
00:54:57.000And my father died when I was 11, you know?
00:54:59.000So that was an experience, you know, for me that kind of, like, traumatized me in such a way.
00:55:05.000But I can't, you know, when I got older...
00:55:08.000I started to, you know, do everything that my father was into.
00:55:12.000Like, my dad smoked Newports, I started smoking Newports at 17. You know, my dad's, you know, he loved MGD, Miller Genuine Draft, I fucking drank MGD, Miller Genuine Draft, you know?
00:55:24.000No, I just kind of was becoming my dad in a weird way, and, you know, it wasn't, you know, it was like one of those things, you know, I don't know, I just kind of, I never really had a relationship with him, so the only memories I had was just this guy, like, You know,
00:55:42.000He had his cigarette and he had his beer.
00:55:44.000And he was always awesome and he was there for me as a man up until he left, you know?
00:55:48.000And I think I kind of got caught up in that.
00:55:50.000And that's something that, like, you know, I can't say the image of my father drinking and smoking is what made me drink and smoke, but I can't say it didn't.
00:56:03.000I think everybody takes comfort in smoking cigarettes.
00:56:05.000It's like, you know, one of those things.
00:56:07.000Yeah, that's the grand trick that cigarettes pull on you.
00:56:11.000They give you comfort in that need to replenish.
00:56:14.000Like, you give you a little stimulant from the nicotine and all the chemicals that are in the cigarette, and then you're so addicted to it that you have this weird stress when you don't have it.
00:58:32.000We see everything going on and it doesn't seem as dangerous.
00:58:35.000And basically, this guy reminds you of the dangers and kind of reboots you and it's like, oh shit.
00:58:41.000And as an adult, you take it a little bit It's really funny just how the cycle of life goes.
00:58:47.000It's like, at my age, I guess, I was able to look at it in the same way I saw it as a fourth grader, you know, and just kind of realized, oh, this is hurting me.
00:59:31.000And I remember very clearly, one time I was walking to the back of the comedy store, and he was talking to a girl, and she pulls her head away, and she goes, No, I don't want you to hypnotize me.
01:01:59.000He's just basically, you know, just talking about, you know, just the dangers of cancer and what it could do to you and how it's just nasty and it's poison and just everything you could imagine that will kind of put it in the way for...
01:02:15.000A human being to understand and get it like, okay, this is dangerous.
01:02:51.000But, you know, he just really gives you examples, you know, just like scenarios, like simple example, like if you knew someone.
01:03:00.000Was, you know, if you were dating a girl and you knew that, you know, she was known for poisoning her boyfriends, putting like poison or rat poison in her food, but there wasn't real proof, but every guy she dated kind of got murdered.
01:04:48.000When I was starting out in Boston, there was this comedy club called Stitches, and they had a guy named Frank Santos who did it there all the time.
01:04:54.000And I thought it was bullshit at first.
01:04:56.000And then from being there all the time, I got to see all these shows.
01:05:00.000I realized like, whoa, no, you can just hypnotize some people.
01:05:34.000So you were conscious, but you were under.
01:05:38.000Yeah, like, he'll do things like, I want you to, you know, say yes, you know, so he'll, you know, to check and make sure that you're under or whatever.
01:05:46.000There's certain things that he'll do, like, and you gotta, and I'm paying for it, so it's not like, you know, I'm not lying.
01:07:18.000I think that's when he actually, like, I think two, the difference between the first stage and the second stage is like, the first stage, he doesn't really instill anything like, when you wake up from this, you're not going to be smoking cigarettes anymore.
01:07:28.000Like, he doesn't say anything like that.
01:07:30.000He's just like, educate you, and then he's like, no, you're going to come back, you know, and I'm going to count you out from 10 all the way up to 1, you know, and he counts you up and counts you up.
01:07:38.000But he doesn't say, he says like, you can smoke this week, you know, and then after this, you're going to be done.
01:07:44.000You know, so like, you come out of that first state just kind of like, okay.
01:07:48.000But like I said, I was hesitant to smoke.
01:08:06.000Literally, I mean, he says everybody does it, but I know, you know, I'm pretty sure a lot of people have a hard time with it.
01:08:13.000You know, it's just, you really, and this is what he says, and anybody that I know that's done it too, it's really just kind of like you have to be ready.
01:08:22.000You know, in a weird way, you just got to be ready.
01:08:24.000And I think that's with anything in life.
01:08:27.000I mean, they try to make it like this thing, like, you just gotta be ready.
01:12:03.000That's the one thing, when everybody judges people, and everybody does love to judge people, the reality is, not everybody starts off in the same spot.
01:12:11.000You know, some people get a shit spot in life.
01:12:15.000And then some people, I think a bad spot or an imperfect spot a lot of times motivates them.
01:13:16.000To come from nothing and then become a famous entertainer, wealthy, is a very treacherous and difficult path to manage, I would imagine.
01:13:24.000I think most people's motivation Is to, you know, and I can't say I didn't fall victim to it, was to just kind of prove people wrong in a way.
01:14:54.000A lot of people don't know that, but I design all my album covers for vinyl and for that presentation to be able to see the artwork and have this and be able to hear it in a certain quality.
01:15:07.000You know, if you can't play Kid Cudi back in 1960, at least you can kind of get a little taste of it.
01:20:00.000But I had to get dress shoes and I was joking with my girlfriend that I was just going to buy black Crocs so I could use them other times than just dressing up.
01:21:20.000Are you going to be one of those dudes on MTV Cribs where you go into your house and you've got all these Jordans stacked up around your place?
01:23:04.000Man, I've seen people do it in all sorts of footwear, but for me, I'm moving around a lot, and it's hard for me to move as quick and as nimble.
01:23:50.000But it makes you think, like, those dudes like Julius Irving, like, back in the day where they used to wear those and actually play basketball games in them, that's incredible.
01:26:54.000I mean, there's definitely people that will bullshit you, and there's definitely people that have layers to their personality that you didn't imagine.
01:27:02.000If you develop some sort of a feud with them and you find out that they're willing to just go completely psycho on you and take shit to the next level and start banging on your fucking door in the middle of the night, screaming, get that hoe out of there.
01:30:15.000Somewhere out there, there's someone who enjoys your personality.
01:30:18.000If you're honest and you're nice, like if you're honest with yourself, you understand your flaws, whatever you're trying to do in this life, try to do it well.
01:30:25.000If you got, you know, you got a lot of positive energy about you, you could probably find somebody.
01:31:49.000You know, people aren't cool, you know?
01:31:51.000Not everybody's as cool as Joe Rogan, bro, you know?
01:31:53.000So, like, I'm a big fan, like I said, and I know you talk about psychedelics, and I saw something you were talking about one time when you were talking about how you went into, what is it, one of those chambers?
01:32:27.000There's a bunch of different companies, but we'll talk afterwards because I'll ask you where you live, and then I'll tell you your best option, but the place that you want to visit, there's a place called the Float Lab, and it's in Venice, and the guy who runs it is my friend Crash.
01:32:40.000He's actually been on the podcast before, and he's the master when it comes to float tank technology.
01:32:45.000He's the guy that really changed the entire industry because he used to be kind of We're good to go.
01:34:15.000And then on top of that, I'm in this weightless, bodiless experience where it's just you and your thoughts.
01:34:22.000Usually my experience, it takes me the first 15-20 minutes is always just me thinking about my life, me thinking about my friendships, my relationships.
01:35:34.000So this tank was created by this guy who's a pioneer in interspecies communications with dolphins.
01:35:42.000He's this really crazy guy called John Lilly.
01:35:44.000And he did all these really important...
01:35:49.000Studies with dolphins, like trying to teach dolphins human words and trying to communicate with them.
01:35:54.000Their noises are so much different than ours.
01:35:56.000But he did a lot of it while he was on acid.
01:35:58.000He was trying to develop a bunch of ways to get outside of the influence of the body.
01:36:02.000Like, he was being very scientific about it.
01:36:05.000And his ideas were, he used to have like a scuba tank that was like, like you had a helmet on, like one of those 25,000 leagues under the sea type helmets.
01:36:18.000And he used to have it where it was like hooked up, where it was on a harness, and you would be sort of just dunked in the water.
01:36:25.000So eventually you'd forget about the helmet, you'd forget about your body, you'd just chill out and relax, and the water was the same temperature as your skin.
01:36:31.000So it becomes indistinguishable after a while, once he's got it dialed in just right.
01:36:35.000You don't want it too hot, because then you can sweat.
01:36:37.000You don't want it too cool, or you're cold in there and you start shivering.
01:36:41.000He's a Goldilocks, 93 and a half degrees.
01:36:44.000It's like 93 and a half, some people it's 94. Yeah.
01:38:07.000Whenever there's any issues that I'm dealing with, any problems that I have, maybe creatively even, you know, I like to go in there.
01:38:13.000I'll go in there with jujitsu problems.
01:38:14.000I'll go in there with, like, try to analyze someone's movements.
01:38:18.000Like, if there's a guy who, like, keeps catching me with a particular submission, I would go in the tank and I would try to work out, like, the defense for the submission in the tank.
01:40:04.000When you're dealing with, like, there's a keyboard in front of you, or you see that light, you see this clock, you see all these different things, you're taking in your entire environment, you're feeling the gravity of your body pulling into the chair.
01:40:15.000There's all these things that your brain is calculating.
01:40:17.000And if there were some people next to you that were screaming and yelling, it would be really hard to pay attention to what you're saying.
01:40:22.000Like, sometimes we do these podcasts and they'll be unloading trucks, and we'll hear the trucks in the background.
01:40:29.000We hear the hydraulics and the engines and shit, and it's distracting.
01:40:33.000It makes you wish that it would go away, because then you'd be able to formulate your thoughts without any resistance, with less resistance.
01:40:39.000But when you're in that tank, that's that state at its best, because there's nothing coming in.
01:41:20.000I mean, I definitely need to try it because I've heard a lot about it, but I never really knew what it was, and I didn't really know how you would go about doing it.
01:42:21.000And you were actually the first person, I might have heard about it in another conversation too, but you were the first person I heard talk about it extensively in detail.
01:43:11.000And they have these fucking stupid conversations, but if one of them said, hey man, I'm thinking about getting an isolation tank, which is like, you could get one for less than that.
01:43:18.000I think a company called Zen Float, they make one that's really inexpensive.
01:44:36.000And I think that that's like, you know, I'm a big Walkie Dead fan and you're a Walking Dead fan.
01:44:40.000So like, you know, like Greg Nicotero, who's just like, you know, special effects legend, you know, did a lot of the earlier special effects in these movies, you know, and just to see Walking Dead and see like just how they use real practical effects and all the gore is just so real looking.
01:47:57.000There's a lot of monster movies where one of the weird things about monsters, like a real monster movie, is you see them so briefly before they kill you.
01:48:06.000It's like, oh Jesus, and then you're dead.
01:48:08.000They sort of represented that in American Werewolf in London.
01:48:12.000You saw that thing for a frame, two frames, and you were shit in your pants.
01:48:18.000The guy was running through the subway, and there's a brief...
01:48:21.000A couple frames where the werewolf's at the bottom of the escalator, and it's down there, and he's traveling up, and he sees the werewolf starting to make its way up the escalator, and he's shitting his pants.
01:48:32.000And it's like, goddammit, it's so much better than showing people a CGI... Those movies that are kind of fun, underworld, those kind of underworld movies, but the werewolf is the hour of screen time as a werewolf.
01:48:49.000It's like, you know, if you can tease the audience and build up that anticipation, it's like, you know, because you can, you know, do the CGI and make, you know, The monster look more present in the scene.
01:49:03.000People aren't thinking about giving it to them in doses.
01:53:36.000It's a slow degradation from one of the greatest horror movies of all time, a Ridley Scott masterpiece, to this preposterous, just action, fun film.
01:55:40.000The idea of like, that's how he introduces his DNA into the new virgin planet by taking some horrible poison that breaks him down and he dies, falls into the water, and then slowly but surely a natural course of evolution grows out of his DNA and that's how people are created.
01:56:05.000Well, I think that Ridley Scott is brilliant.
01:56:07.000And I think he's probably been thinking about this for a long time before he created this.
01:56:12.000And I don't know who wrote the screenplay.
01:56:14.000But I would imagine all of them have been thinking about this for a long time.
01:56:17.000Like, if you were going to, like, the right way to introduce life into another planet...
01:56:22.000It'd be like, just get a planet that doesn't have any life, and you just inject something.
01:56:27.000And if it's a body, especially, that breaks down, that body has also got all sorts of bacteria and weird shit on it, and that's going to come out when it dies, and the bacteria starts eating its flesh, and will they be able to transmit...
01:57:15.000Is it possible that that could somehow or another have enough fuel from eating that body and figuring out how to subside off plants that they would figure out some sort of a way to become a viable life form on a planet?
01:57:28.000Is that outside the realm of possibility?
01:58:37.000If you lived on an island somewhere and you're by yourself, just out there, just you, sitting around, maybe you got a dog, you're sitting on this island, you got plenty of food, but you're bored as fuck, just looking out, waiting for someone to come.
01:58:53.000I think that's kind of what's going on with us.
01:58:56.000It's like, yeah, we have each other, but the reality is we're on some weird round boat that's just bobbing around in the universe, and we want someone to come visit us.
01:59:06.000What are just people like us that are like...
02:00:09.000I had this dude, Sam Harris, on the podcast, and he was talking about determinism.
02:00:13.000And it's the idea that no one has free will.
02:00:16.000And that basically everything about your personality has been formed by your interactions with your life experiences, your DNA, your genetics, your neighborhood that you grew up in.
02:00:24.000And that that's just, no matter what you do, inescapable.
02:01:00.000Because part of me wants to say, hey, Scott did some powerful shit.
02:01:05.000He stepped up and he uses willpower and he uses intelligence to realize that he was on a bad path.
02:01:11.000And that's an admirable thing to talk about because it inspires people who might be on a bad path themselves to kind of like catch your momentum and gives them confidence.
02:01:22.000It gives them confidence hearing you today with your shit together all cool as fuck and think about you being this guy who was doing coke all the time and didn't like it.
02:01:32.000I feel like there's got to be something there that made you do that.
02:01:36.000This idea of pure determinism is really fascinating and I get it.
02:01:42.000I just wonder how much of personal choice is just...
02:01:48.000What is the force that makes a person decide to do the right thing?
02:01:53.000Well, I think it goes back to what we were talking about before.
02:01:59.000If you kind of start from one place where you got to make your own way, it just kind of makes it a little bit...
02:02:08.000You savor it a little bit more, and it means more when you get it.
02:02:11.000Because you had to really work and achieve something.
02:02:14.000But my whole thing is, when I was a kid, I was immediately looked at as someone who wasn't going to amount to shit.
02:02:29.000It's just like, talk about starting from the bottom, that's the bottom.
02:02:33.000When motherfuckers look at you as a human being and be like, oh, he's not going to amount to anything.
02:02:36.000And you know that's what teachers, you know that's what your peers, you know that's what certain people in the neighborhood may think of you.
02:03:44.000Because we got that option too, you know?
02:03:47.000So it's like, it was just a lot of things I was able to just like, and I was the youngest of four, so you know, I was able to just kind of be young and look at my older siblings and kind of like learn what not to do, and that's kind of why I used that whole like, I'm your big brother phrase in my music,
02:04:04.000because I feel like, you know, even with the mistakes I've made, that's what a big brother is supposed to do.
02:04:09.000Like, I'm supposed to To make some mistakes so you can learn, you know?
02:04:12.000And then those kids will learn and then they'll make their own mistakes and then there'll be a bunch of other kids that'll learn, you know?
02:04:42.000I was tired of people looking at me in that way and I wanted to finally find whatever it was that was my own, my calling to prove that, you know, because I tried everything else.
02:04:52.000Do you think that in some ways, like, coming from a troubled background is like almost a gift?
02:04:57.000Because it gives you that burning fire.
02:04:59.000Or do you think it's like a double-edged sword because it gives you that gift, but it also gives you, like, this hole that sometimes is difficult to keep filled?
02:05:52.000And that is something that I, you know, she's someone I always will look up to, how she just sacrificed everything and took care of us, you know, on a teacher's salary.
02:06:00.000And that, for me, is like I got that role model.
02:06:03.000Like somebody who, like, could have just been like, damn, I got four kids, I need to be chasing a man and trying to find some man to come take care of us.
02:06:12.000It was more like, you know, I got married, it didn't work out.
02:06:16.000Now I just need to figure it out for my kids.
02:07:13.000Like you get to a certain point in time, that could kind of play against you too, right?
02:07:17.000Yes, it can backfire because then it becomes, for me, it becomes like, I definitely did my last, not the album I did, my album before last with that angry, spiteful,
02:08:29.000That's why I did Indica and then I did Satellite Flight.
02:08:33.000I feel like Indica was me just figuring out how to produce, you know, and make records and then Satellite Flight was me having it mastered and finally putting together something that was just like fine-tuned, you know, but in a different structure where I have like some instrumentals and then You know,
02:09:42.000It was pretty interesting stuff, but I remember that, and I remember thinking, like, man, like, why don't more people do, like, weird shit with music?
02:09:50.000Like, how many people are thinking the way you're thinking?
02:09:52.000Like, saying, like, okay, how about we just do no drums for, like, the first minute and a half, and then just start rapping, and then the drums kick in?
02:09:59.000Like, these kind of things where you're just, like, coming up with, like, just a different approach.
02:10:45.000I feel like there's a way where people can be a little bit more creative and push the envelope a lot more with the music, where it fits in in a way that makes sense and it's true to their art and their formula.
02:10:59.000I feel like, yeah, there's always a way to try something new and be innovative and bring something different to the table.
02:11:07.000If anybody wants to check out that brand new Heavys that I was talking about, it's called Heavy Rhyme Experience.
02:11:13.000And it was the brand new Heavys, it was 92, way back in the day when I was living in New York.
02:11:20.000My friend god damn it trying to remember his name stand-up comedian told me about him he goes you gotta listen to this shit these guys are doing some weird stuff they did a Duo with cool G rap.
02:11:31.000They did one of them with a gang star.
02:11:34.000It was pretty badass That a bunch of different collaborations so like jazz singers was like rap like serious like best of the class back then Hardcore rappers rapping over their their rhyme or their music.
02:12:36.000Too trippy, and it's make sure it's not too this and not too that, but an effortless combination of everything all at once.
02:12:44.000And that's really what these past couple years for me have been, just mastering that technique as a producer.
02:12:56.000You know, really, really just going all out creatively and just trying new things because I also internally don't feel like I have anything else to prove as a musician.
02:13:18.000It's like doing reps and staying mentally fit, creatively fit.
02:13:24.000So when it comes time to do an album, I've got some new powers I've acquired in the past year.
02:13:31.000Dicking around in the studio for a couple months is going every day making beats whether I'm in the studio for five hours or two hours I'm making something I'm making at least like on average I make about In the studio I'm making at least two to four beats a day and when I say beats I'm talking about completed sequenced instrumentals that I could make records on.
02:13:56.000So like not just some shit I started a little bit and then it's kind of cool and I'll get back to it later.
02:14:00.000I have probably like a baker's dozen of those in one session.
02:14:04.000But I'll have like four that are officially like, oh these jams are dope, I'm gonna sit and live with these and see what comes up.
02:14:10.000So when you sit down to write music, do you sit down and do you have an idea in your head or do you just let it come to you while you're there?
02:15:15.000Yeah, I'm hearing, I mean, here's, you know, when I'm hearing something, I hear it completed, right?
02:15:25.000So when I'm starting a record and I feel like I got something, I'm like, alright, this song, I feel like, and it's back to what you were talking about, because, you know, I feel like, you know, time doesn't really exist, so...
02:15:35.000An hour from now is happening right now, right?
02:15:38.000So there's songs that are created that I haven't made yet.
02:15:41.000So when I'm in the studio, I feel like I have this small peek into this other world and this window that I can hear the song, but it's my job in the present to find the pieces to make it so.
02:15:55.000And sometimes it might come out exactly like what I'm hearing and sometimes it might not, but it's never really spot on.
02:16:02.000You know, I just hear glimmers of what the song completed sounds like until it's completed and then it's just everything's perfect.
02:16:08.000But that's how I can sit there and listen to a mix and be like, something's off.
02:16:11.000Because in my completed version, you know, it's like a coloring book.
02:16:15.000Every record starts off in one way, just blank, and I'm just filling in all the colors.
02:16:19.000And then there's one color still missing.
02:16:21.000You know, that's what's happening in the final, in the ninth inning, you know, when we're mixing the album.
02:16:25.000I mean, there's still some colors that just not in there yet.
02:16:29.000And then I'm going through sounds and I find the colors and everything's full and I'm cool.
02:16:32.000Or I might not find the exact color, but if I'm close enough, I'm fine.
02:16:35.000And like, that's literally where it's at, where you have to make the executive decision.
02:18:31.000You put in the work, creating the beats, you put in the work, coming up with lyrics, whatever way it comes up, whether it comes up all in your head or whether it comes up writing it down on paper.
02:18:39.000And the sessions are really me and my engineer Ian, and occasionally I have, like, my brother from another mother, Dr. Genius, coming through, who, you know, is in a band that I came up with a couple years ago that, you know, we kind of just put together because we wanted to try something outside of the world we were already making music in.
02:18:57.000You know, the sessions are really small.
02:19:01.000It's not like I got 20 dudes in there.
02:19:26.000Or they'll rack focus and distract him.
02:19:30.000I find that when you have your friends in the studio, you got a couple guys on Worldstar, a couple guys on Twitter, a couple guys over here, and everybody's talking about what's going on over here and what's going on over here.
02:20:45.000Because I didn't give a fuck, you know?
02:20:47.000It was like, now I can go to the studio.
02:20:49.000Well, it's probably good for you, too.
02:20:50.000Now I can, like, work on my craft and then maybe find a better paying job, you know, that doesn't have me in the fucking basement of some building, you know, sweating my ass out, folding clothes.
02:20:59.000Everybody says you should always do your best at every job you do.
02:21:02.000A champion in life is a champion in everything they do.
02:21:05.000So if you're going to mop floors, do your best at mopping floors.
02:21:10.000But the reality is, when you're a young man, sometimes it's good to fuck off at something so you know you don't ever want to do that again.
02:21:34.000Yeah, that would fuck somebody's emotions.
02:21:37.000That would hurt my feelings if that was the word around town that my main bread and butter I've been doing, investing my life in, that I'm just shitty at.
02:22:47.000I might just need fucking silence for a little bit.
02:22:50.000Yeah, I've never been to any sort of recording studio where anybody was doing anything serious like that, but I would imagine it's very difficult to avoid the party.
02:23:00.000It's like, hey, we're in studio and guys come to visit you.
02:24:15.000So you might see that happen, but there's a year and a half of just studio by myself before that happens.
02:24:22.000I don't really, and maybe occasionally I have one or two friends.
02:24:25.000Maybe one of my director friends or my fellow actors who I just kind of want, who have never really got a chance to be in the studio, come by and just see, get the experience.
02:24:36.000But they're not in there distracting me.
02:24:38.000They're just watching and paying attention and want to...
02:24:40.000Just be a fly on the wall and see how it works.
02:24:43.000Yeah, well, a lot of people are really curious about it because it's almost sort of a mysterious type of creativity if people aren't involved in it, especially the creating of music.
02:25:32.000People's words, they don't sustain that way.
02:25:34.000You can't read an incredibly passionate essay, and it sustains you through a workout like that.
02:25:39.000No, it's like, it needs to be just something that, like, there's nothing like music in that respect.
02:25:45.000It has an impact that very few things do.
02:25:48.000So that process of creating it is always fascinating and mysterious to people like me that don't have any musical talent at all.
02:25:56.000I just approach it in a different way because I do feel like every time I'm in the studio it's just me trying to create the uncreated and it's a very private thing sometimes.
02:26:16.000I want to be able to have my privacy when I do that.
02:28:01.000As much as I like to deny it and go shoot a movie and shit, I always think about music.
02:28:08.000I'm obsessed with the idea of just making The most beautiful songs that like, you know, really make people feel some type of comfort or some type of understanding because the world is so fucked and You know,
02:28:23.000I just really am obsessed with that idea.
02:28:26.000I think I'm always going to be and now I'm just trying different different ways of doing that, you know We did the rap shit.
02:28:34.000I'm just trying to be this like weird instrumentalist You know, and I don't really know what that's gonna be, but I'm just really, I guess, in the process learning how to produce better, too, which is something that, you know, I've been trying to, you know, I always want to be better,
02:28:49.000so it's good to, you know, be learning and getting better as I'm creating.
02:28:53.000Do you do any other things, like, other than music?
02:28:55.000Do you have any other hobbies or any other things that, like, you also get locked into?
02:29:19.000That was my last job before I got famous.
02:29:24.000Roots back in New York and that was pretty much one of those, the only job I really kept in touch with, you know, that I went back to and, you know, did some things for the fans.
02:31:25.000And I think a lot of artists do get to that point where they feel invincible.
02:31:28.000I'm very capable of making some weak shit.
02:31:30.000It's just y'all motherfuckers don't hear it.
02:31:33.000That's because I'm sitting there making sure that it's not weak shit.
02:31:37.000Scrapping the ones that are and working on the ones that started off weak but making sure that they were where they needed to be before you heard it.
02:31:45.000Are they like, you gotta know when to abandon them?
02:31:48.000Oh yeah, you all know when I abandon some shit immediately.
02:32:39.000To just give your brain a break, because for me, I'm sitting in the studio for hours listening to the same old shit, like the same old beat that you're working on.
02:32:48.000So it's kind of like you need to back off a second.
02:34:37.000Let's give them the joints they want to hear.
02:34:39.000I'm not going to go out into Coachella and be like, alright guys, so I know you guys know these songs as they are produced on the album, but we're doing them all acoustic tonight.
02:35:38.000It's like the clubhouses where you dick around.
02:35:40.000It's like when a comic goes to the club he used to do stand-up at before he blew up because he knows those are his people and he could be himself there and try new jokes.
02:36:59.000Yeah, it's like, I don't really want kids to...
02:37:02.000You know, the average hip-hop show, it's like you see your favorite artist come out, at best, perform the hits.
02:37:07.000They're almost there, but you can't touch them, but it's just dope to know that you're in the same building with them, and then that's the end of it.
02:37:24.000I'm confessing some things through song.
02:37:26.000You're seeing me confess these things.
02:37:29.000You see the emotion as I'm performing.
02:37:32.000And then there's kids out there that are connecting with it in such a way where it's like, man, I already connect with this dude, but he's performing it in such a way where he means it even more.
02:37:41.000He's singing it in a way where he means it even more in this environment.
02:37:47.000And I love giving people that experience.
02:37:50.000I love connecting with them in a way where everybody at that concert is paying attention and they're there because they want to experience something.
02:39:01.000But then I know that you talk about psychedelics and you have specifically talked about DMT because I answered the question about DMT. And that's why I was like, man, we should talk about this with Joe.
02:39:10.000Because I know that I can't sit down with just anybody and talk about DMT. Even some of my friends, I've told them that I've done it and they've looked at me in a way where it's like...
02:39:21.000You know, it's like, whoa, you did DMT. It's a game changer.
02:39:57.000I ran into Wiz Khalifa, you know, and I see him, you know, often, and he was telling me he was doing shrooms or whatever and experimenting with shrooms, and I was like, oh, man, you should do acid, and he was just like, no.
02:40:09.000And I was like, oh man, well you know, Shrooms is like the training wheels of fucking psychedelics and shit, you know?
02:40:13.000And he's like, oh man, I'm not fucking with that though.
02:40:16.000You can just tell that it was just, maybe he might have known somebody had a bad trip or he heard some bad things, but like, there was like fear.
02:40:27.000And I was just like, oh, It's like, man, people are kind of like taken back when you say you do assets sometimes.
02:40:35.000And even when I talk about it on Twitter, people be like, whoa, chill, you want some other shit.
02:40:39.000And it's like, man, like, I mean, I don't really see it.
02:41:19.000With psychedelics is if you're doing it with people, no matter if you know them well or not, you don't want to really leave nobody hanging.
02:41:26.000You want to try to find a common ground because everybody tripping.
02:41:33.000You know, everybody at the end of the day, we trippin', and it's scary, because somebody used to be like, one minute, you was trying to kill me!
02:42:20.000Shine On Your Crazy Diamond is a nine-part Pink Floyd...
02:42:24.000Nine-part Pink Floyd composition written by Roger Waters, Richard Wright, and David Gilmour, and it's a tribute to former band member Sid Barrett.
02:42:32.000Sid Barrett was the one who went, Bananas!
02:42:46.000He apparently, I don't know if that's true, the whole LSD thing.
02:42:51.000But it says, this is the Wikipedia, it says, throughout late 1967 and early 1968, Barrett's behavior became increasingly erratic and unpredictable, partly as a consequence of his reported heavy use of psychedelic drugs,
02:43:09.000most prominently LSD. Many reports described him on stage strumming one chord through the entire concert or not playing at all.
02:43:18.000At a show at the Fillmore in San Francisco during a performance of Interstellar Overdrive, Barrett slowly detuned his guitar.
02:43:25.000The audience seemed to enjoy such antics, unaware of the rest of the band's consternation.
02:43:31.000Interviewed on the Pat Boone Show during the tour, Sid's reply to Boone's question was, Blank and totally mute stare, according to Nick Mason.
02:43:41.000Sid wasn't into moving his lips that day.
02:44:01.000On acid all the time and just couldn't realize he was quitting Pink Floyd for acid.
02:44:08.000We met that new girl and he was still in that old relationship.
02:44:12.000We were talking about cigarettes earlier and in a world where cigarettes are legal and they kill half a million people in this country alone every year, it's preposterous to think that we're too much of a group of fucking babies to deal with psychedelics.
02:44:28.000We need centers where you have educated people with, you know, like, degrees who understand the human body, doctors who can administrate it, people who can take care of people, and have them in these really comfortable environments where people go and they have the possibility in a professional setting of experiencing these things.
02:44:47.000And that should be a part of normal human culture.
02:46:50.000And it literally, for me, that was the only thing that freaked me out.
02:46:54.000The fact that my eyes weren't closed, but my environment was completely altered.
02:47:00.000Immediately, almost before I could even exhale all the smoke, before I was even leaning back on my couch, I mean, the room rearranged itself and became something else.
02:47:31.000Another possibility is that, like a telescope, needs to be tuned in to see a far-off star, that what you're doing by taking this chemical that your brain already makes, you're tuning in to something that's ordinarily impossible for you to see,
02:47:46.000and that there is this dimension that is around you all the time, and it is filled with intelligent entities.
02:47:52.000And he said, we must consider that that is also a possibility.
02:47:57.000And that is a fascinating way of looking at it.
02:48:01.000Because we really don't know what's happening, and the people that aren't blown away by it are just the people who haven't done it.
02:48:07.000If you've done it and you're not blown away by it, I don't understand you.
02:48:12.000There's also supposedly some people who don't have a reaction to DMT. There's a small percentage of people that try it where nothing happens.
02:52:13.000Whatever you went to would be different than this world.
02:52:16.000But you know how you were saying, or some of those paintings are just some guy, and there's all this energy around, and it's all these colors.
02:53:08.000Implied that it's not real or it's not a real experience the imagine the term the imagination has a lot of like negative connotations to it But whatever it's going on when you got your eyes closed you're not there's no physical objects in front of you You're seeing all this stuff happening in your in your visual field with your eyes closed But you're not you know,
02:53:25.000there's nothing you reach out and grab so that's why I'm saying imagination But whatever you're doing when you're doing that is real I don't know what it is.
02:53:33.000I don't know what the fuck is happening.