This week, the boys talk about their recent trip to Prince of Wales Island, the biggest island in the world, and Brian the Kid's upcoming stand-up comedy gig. Also, the guys talk about a bunch of other stuff. Enjoy, and spread the word to your friends and family about this episode! Logo by Courtney DeKorte. Theme by Mavus White. Music by PSOVOD and tyops. The opinions stated here are our own, not those of our companies, and do not represent those of any other companies or organizations. All rights reserved. Used by permission. This episode was produced and edited by Riley Bray. We do not own the rights to any music used in this episode. All credit given to original artists and labels. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review on Apple Podcasts. or wherever else you get your music. Thank you so much for listening and supporting this podcast, it really means a lot to us and we really appreciate it. XOXO. xoxo. Timestamps: 1:00 - Brian The Kid 2:30 - I m not a comedian 3:40 - I am a comedian. 4:20 - I have no idea what I m doing 5:10 - I don t know what I'm doing 6:00 7:30 8:40 9: What s going on with this episode? 11: What do you think of Prince Of Wales Island? 12:00 + 13: Is it bigger than the Hawaiian? 15:10 16:20 17: What kind of island is bigger than Hawaii? 18: How big is it bigger? 19:00 / 16:30 / 17:40 / 18? 21:00/16:40/17? 20:30/18? 25:30? 26:00? 27:30 & 27:10 / 27? 29:00 & 30? 32:40 + 29? 35:40? 31: What are you going to do with it? 36:30 + 35: Is there a bigger than that? 33:40 & 35:00 ? 35 + 35? 37:00 Or 35:10 + 36:00?? 39:10 & 36? 40 + 35 + 39?
00:01:07.000If you're nowhere near Atlanta, if you happen to be in Philadelphia or Washington, D.C., I'm at the Tower Theater on Friday, October 7th in Philadelphia, and then I'm at the Warner Theater on Saturday, October 18th.
00:02:50.000Also, when you're hiking through that terrain, you'll cut through the woods and, like, just cut into this rainforest, and then you just come across this clearing with another little pond or lake.
00:04:07.000We can't, according to Rinello, we went there at a bad time, which is fucking weird, since he was the guy hosting the goddamn show and scheduling it.
00:05:50.000Well, I got a little bit better at figuring out how to deal with the rain, but at one point, you know, we wore these headlamps, so they're like a mining hat sort of thing on the top of your forehead.
00:06:00.000You have this light, and it's attached to a strap, and I turned it on.
00:06:04.000I turned my strap on inside the tent, and It was like a sea of dew.
00:07:17.000Cold environments, and you're hiking or whatever, and you wear cotton, that's how people die.
00:07:21.000Yeah, because you sweat, and then you get wet, and then you get freezing cold.
00:07:25.000We were in a constant state of when you're hiking, first of all, we're following, you weren't, but I was, Following Steve the Billy Goat Rinella, okay?
00:07:34.000This fucker does this shit 365 days a year.
00:07:37.000I'm lucky that I'm in good shape and lucky also that I work my legs out like crazy.
00:07:42.000Those poor guys are like, oh, I guess you skipped leg day.
00:10:23.000And you came in, and I was like, I knew you were too much to say anything, but I was literally like, get him a thermos full of hot water to put in his jacket, because I actually got a little protective over here.
00:10:44.000But I'm telling you, it's better than being hot.
00:10:46.000As weird as it sounds, it sucks a fat dick, but you could warm up just by running up hills.
00:10:51.000If I wanted to, while I was freezing, I could have just went, fuck, [...
00:11:00.000Yeah, I would have been sweating again.
00:11:02.000But the art, there is an art to learning how to, like Matting said, you climb the mountain, he'll climb the top of the mountain, t-shirt and one layer, sweats, takes that t-shirt right off and puts two layers on that are dry.
00:11:13.000And then puts that t-shirt back on when it's time to come down.
00:11:16.000And look, we did this shit on purpose, we did it for fun, for the adventure, because we love Ronella and we love the show and all the guys on the show, but those fucking cameramen, those guys who work on that show, Mike and Dean and, well, Dodie's the producer,
00:12:43.000I'll deal with like grizzlies, like okay, there's a grizzly, you'll be scared, but bugs are the intangible, like some huge stinging wasp that can, fuck that, or a spider that puts you in a necrosis, like the brown recluse, your skin starts to decay.
00:13:00.000Jeremy Horne had one of those, and it left like a golf ball-sized hole in his leg.
00:18:32.000He said, we were literally moving at our own time.
00:18:35.000Well, Remy Warren, I don't know if they've ever tested Ranella's cardio, but Remy, who's also a big-time hunter, he hunts 300 days a year, he's got that show Solo Hunter, and he's got a few shows that he's working on right now with Dan Doty.
00:18:47.000Fascinating guy, but his cardio is so good, it's at elite endurance athlete levels.
00:18:55.000They tested his cardio, and his VO2 max is off the charts.
00:19:00.000And it's because he's usually got 100 pounds of elk on his back, and he's climbing uphill, and it's 9,000 fucking feet elevation.
00:20:16.000One, you know, because I knew that they were probably going to get soaked, and one, which worked out really good, the Schneez, and these other ones, I won't name, that sucked a fat one.
00:20:50.000If you're bigger than that, like a big power builder guy, a big power lifter, one of those 250 pound characters, that extra 50 pounds will fucking sap your heart, man.
00:21:58.000Kelly, who created this crazy ball that you're supposed to roll on your back, this wad, I forget what this is called, workout of the day, I forget what this is called, supernova, that's what it's called.
00:22:07.000This is the latest and greatest of those things that you roll on to massage your back.
00:22:24.000But anyway, Sylvia, who is not a bodybuilder, he's not a powerlifter, he's just a really strong guy, he fought Pujanowski and beat the shit out of him.
00:24:52.000Do you think that dudes who have, like, medium-sized dicks are going to take a chance and get their dick lopped off and get a new one put on, hoping that their body's going to accept it?
00:25:03.000That's a very, very sacred part of a man, right?
00:25:10.000Like, if you were going into that as a venture capitalist, with the assumption that men would do that, I would tell you not to put your money into it.
00:25:16.000I would tell you to put your money into it, because there's some dudes out there with some one-inch dicks.
00:25:21.000Well, that's a whole different story, but if you have a medium dick, I would imagine, you know...
00:25:29.000But there was a guy that was a performance artist, and part of his performance art was that he would take all his clothes off.
00:25:36.000And he had a dick that was, and I'm not bullshitting, the size of the last digit of my pinky.
00:25:42.000I've been in enough acting classes and seen enough nude scenes, and there are some dudes, and one dude who was just a macho guy, he was a hairdresser, and he did a naked scene, and I am telling you, I am telling you, I can see just the head of it in a sea of black hair.
00:26:52.000Guys are like, eh, I'll add some stuff to it.
00:26:54.000Well, that would be like those crazy girls who have breast implants that are just unbelievably ridiculous, like basketball-sized, and they want to get them bigger.
00:27:05.000There's a lot of guys in, I don't know if it's just the gay community, but the special they did was two guys in the gay community who were shooting their dicks with silicone.
00:27:56.000Have you ever, like some of those medical journals, I sat next to a dermatologist, oh no, a plastic surgeon, and she was going through her iPad and she had pictures, and I was sitting next to her, she was asking me about acting, and I was,
00:28:11.000she was showing me, and some of them, she was really, she was covering the faces of these patients with her hand so I wouldn't see their faces, because she was that professional, even on a plane.
00:28:22.000She was trying to protect their privacy or whatever.
00:28:24.000I saw this guy had a growth on his body, on his shoulder.
00:28:28.000It looked like a shoulder pad of skin, of cauliflower.
00:29:16.000Well, that's one of the things that I realized when I went to Anchorage with Ari when we went fishing and then we did some shows up there at the Bear's Tooth.
00:29:24.000The thing about Alaska is that there's this insane wilderness around them, and there's not a shit ton of people, so they develop this different kind of community.
00:29:35.000Even though Anchorage is a real city, there's a nice bond.
00:29:40.000I think it's because they may have to rely on each other in a real way.
00:30:16.000You know, you get a sense of people, like, in these communities where they're...
00:30:23.000It's not like the hustle and bustle of New York City where there's a million rats all stuck in a maze and everybody's fucking fighting for the last crumb of cheese and jammed up in traffic.
00:32:08.000But Life Below Zero, they follow five different people, or six different people, and there's always something that these people are doing, because they have to prepare for the river rising, they have to prepare for bears coming into camp, they have to prepare for all these different things.
00:32:25.000Nature, you know, it's interesting because if you look at anything in nature, including human beings, whether it's, you know, an ant or a spider rolling something, a web, whatever it is, everybody in nature is constantly fighting nature.
00:32:41.000If you want to survive out there, you can see why man has always kind of pitted himself against nature, just the constant struggle of trying to push yourself back.
00:32:51.000Into a situation where you don't have to deal and contend with nature.
00:32:54.000We've done a pretty good job of it, you know, by figuring out ways to innovate and ways to control our environment and stuff.
00:33:00.000But if you had to scratch out a living, and look at animals.
00:33:03.000I mean, you can watch deer who don't move very much because they have to conserve energy.
00:33:08.000And they have to stay in one area and they eat in that one area, then they move down to lower land.
00:33:12.000But a lot of times, guess what happens that people don't realize with deer?
00:33:22.000Most of these people that are against hunting or that think that somehow or another that nature is supposed to be this peaceful thing, they don't understand what the reality of the life of these animals is.
00:33:35.000Teddy Roosevelt had a great quote on people who don't understand hunting and people who have a problem with it who love nature, and he wrote that death by violence Death by cold, death by starvation, these are the normal ends of the noble and stately creatures of the wilderness.
00:33:55.000The sentimentalists who prattle about the peaceful life of nature do not understand its utter mercilessness.
00:34:08.000Life is hard and cruel, And these, oh, okay.
00:34:57.000It doesn't give a fuck if you're here or...
00:34:59.000Well, Ranella was saying also that, you know, the Native Americans that lived there were, you know, hundreds of years ago, whatever, stayed on the coast.
00:35:07.000They ate a lot of shellfish and fished.
00:35:09.000They didn't really go into the interior to get deer.
00:35:29.000Even with a compound bow, a 40-yard shot is very difficult to be accurate with.
00:35:34.000And those old bows, a lot of them just didn't have the amount of power to pull.
00:35:38.000The Mongols had these crazy fucking bows.
00:35:42.000But they require like 160 pounds of pull.
00:35:44.000Like you could probably shoot at a reliable 50-60 yard distance with those if you got really good at it, but you're fucking practicing with those goddamn things every day.
00:36:28.000And it would be frozen fat, and then the polar bear would come, eat the bone, and the bone would open, expand in the polar bear's stomach or throat, and suddenly it would basically take three days to die, and they would follow it until it died,
00:36:44.000and then take just for the coat, because that's how they kept warm.
00:36:47.000Well, one of the ways they used to kill wolves, they would take a knife, like a razor-sharp knife, and they would embed it into the ground and put blood on the knife.
00:36:54.000So the wolves would come along and lick the knife and cut their tongue open and bleed to death.
00:36:58.000Well, they would keep licking and bleeding and licking and bleeding.
00:38:41.000There's supervolcanoes all over the world.
00:38:43.000And there's not just one in Yellowstone.
00:38:46.000There's a gigantic supervolcano, I think we said in Indonesia, that they think is responsible for the reason why there is only...
00:38:56.000You know, they believe that 75,000 years ago, this supervolcano in Indonesia exploded, and when it exploded, they think that that's why all human beings have some sort of a relationship to each other,
00:39:11.000that we all came from an original group of human beings.
00:39:14.00074,000 years ago, Toba, it's a caldera volcano in Sumatra.
00:39:19.000It's ready for this, hold onto your dick.
00:39:27.000So people are living on top of it as we speak.
00:39:29.000No, I don't know if they are or not, but it's in Sumatra, Indonesia.
00:39:34.000And it's the only supervolcano in existence that can be described as Yellowstone's big sister.
00:39:40.00074,000 years ago, Toba erupted and ejected several thousand times more material than erupted from Mount St. Helens in 1980. Several thousand times more.
00:39:53.000Some researchers think that Toba's ancient super-eruption and the global cold spell it triggered might explain a mystery in the human genome.
00:40:01.000Our genes suggest that we all come from a few thousand people just tens of thousands of years ago instead of From a much older, bigger lineage, as fossil evidence testifies.
00:40:13.000So, we have the fossil evidence, which shows a much older...
00:40:19.000But the people of today all come from a few thousand people that might have been the only fucking human beings that survived this goddamn supervolcano 74,000 years ago.
00:40:27.000So, that's why they can trace, like, Hasidic Jews in Finland or in Hungary.
00:41:29.000Simi and G. But I think that there's debate as to whether or not humans interbred with Neanderthals and that's why or whether or not we have a common ancestor.
00:41:38.000I don't think it's been completely figured out yet, but if Neanderthals were around, for sure somebody would fuck one.
00:43:21.000You're putting your penis in that because it feels like flesh.
00:43:24.000Well, how green would it be to take an actual chicken cutlet, use it to jerk off with, warm it up in a microwave so it feels like flesh, or let it sit at room temperature, whatever.
00:43:34.000You jerk off with it, and then you cook it and eat it.
00:43:36.000That's like you're making best use of all the materials.
00:43:40.000That would be, probably they couldn't do anything to you.
00:43:44.000But if you fucked a chicken, they could probably do something to you.
00:43:47.000Well, Jonathan Haidt, who is a guy who studies this, he wrote a book called The Happiness Hypothesis, talks exactly about this example.
00:43:53.000He said, if you masturbated, if you took a dead chicken and you ate it, it would be fine.
00:44:00.000If you took the dead chicken, fucked it, came in it, and then ate it, people would be like, oh!
00:44:06.000He's another really difficult example.
00:45:44.000According to Steven Pinker, every culture they've ever studied, 100%, has a place for humorous insult.
00:45:50.000So making fun, ribbing each other, right?
00:45:52.000And you're talking about the most primitive tribes or the most aboriginal tribes and the most technologically advanced tribes all have always had some form of humorous insults.
00:46:05.000The other is a recognition for certain things that are...
00:46:29.000But those are very, very isolated tribes that have not shared any ideas with other people, that had no cross-pollination.
00:46:39.000So you're going to get very weird, fetishistic sort of examples of human behavior in that.
00:46:45.000Yeah, and that's also like, we know that when people molest children, that those children who have been molested often have this very distorted idea of sexuality and sometimes become abusers themselves.
00:48:32.000We were talking about the New Guinea people when we were on our trip, about eating their dead bodies and the way they would explain this insane fucking thing that they...
00:48:42.000Yeah, well, I had Jared Diamond on the podcast and I said, tell me about, you've seen them cannibalize.
00:48:48.000And he said, you really want to know about it?
00:48:51.000And he said, some tribes, when they would have warring, they'd have a war and they'd kill somebody, they would eat, they'd chop it up, cook the body.
00:48:59.000But, there are tribes in Papua New Guinea that will take the body, like if a relative dies.
00:49:05.000They'll take the body, they'll lay it out naked on slats of wood, so there are slats, so there are holes, and they put buckets under the slats, and they let the body just putrefy and gel to the point where it starts to drip into the buckets.
00:49:19.000And then they take their sweet potatoes, and they dip their sweet potatoes into the human goo.
00:51:41.000I was worried that my laptop was going to cook and explode because it was like in a sea of dew.
00:51:46.000But my laptop is tough because it's been spilled on.
00:51:49.000So many times I've spilled coffee on it, it's tough with my laptop up.
00:51:52.000But this fucking documentary is an amazing documentary.
00:51:56.000King Corn, if you've never seen it, if you're interested at all in what the fuck is going on with corn and how many things corn is in in our country, you gotta watch this documentary.
00:52:51.000It's also stunning how all of it is with subsidies.
00:52:54.000And if it wasn't for government subsidies, all these people would lose money.
00:52:57.000These guys got a check from the government to grow their acre of corn.
00:53:01.000It was a small check, because it was only one acre.
00:53:03.000But if they're growing 10,000, 30,000 acres, like a lot of these folks are, they rely on these government checks.
00:53:10.000Ethanol, which we don't really need anymore, but ethanol is used, and now there's a very strong lobbying presence in Washington that's not going to let ethanol go away.
00:53:20.000Ethanol has a cottage industry around it.
00:53:22.000People make money off of growing corn for fuel, and there are a thousand examples of that.
00:53:28.000Where corn has a very strong lobby, the sugar lobby is very strong.
00:53:31.000There's another documentary called Fed Up about when the World Health Organization came along and said only 10% of your diet should be sugar of all kinds, whether it's fruit juice or just sugar.
00:54:13.000And, you know, I got to watch that documentary because it's amazing how many interests, powerful interests get involved in getting you to eat corn, getting you to eat foods that, you know, in their byproducts that they make a lot of money off that may not be so good for your body.
00:54:49.000Because they're in bed with this industry.
00:54:51.000And I'm really wondering, what would happen if hemp became legal worldwide and especially legal in the United States because we sell hemp food, we sell those hemp protein bars that I brought with us on the trip, those Onnit Hemp Force protein bars and Onnit Hemp Force powder,
00:55:10.000but we have to buy our hemp from Canada and there's a bunch of different grades of it.
00:56:46.000Parachutes, George Sr., George Herbert Walker Bush, the parachute that he used to safely parachute in World War II, that was made out of hemp.
00:56:54.000He parachuted to safety with a fucking hemp parachute.
01:00:02.000When you said Eli Whitney, it was the same kind of thing.
01:00:05.000I was thinking about how one man's invention made slavery...
01:00:09.000And essentially there was a real abolitionist movement going on where slavery was really, the anti-slavery movement was gaining tremendous ground.
01:00:18.000Because it was really hard to justify, of course.
01:00:20.000And then when Eli Whitney came along with the cotton gin and all those southern plantations were like, we got all this free labor.
01:01:20.000It's very important to remember that the only way to get a message to somebody throughout history, Alexander the Great and George Washington had to use the exact same methodology, which was horse, boat, or foot.
01:01:32.000A messenger pigeon, but in very small areas.
01:03:05.000And all he does as this painter, a painter, is he obsesses over how in the world he could figure out a way to not have that.
01:03:13.000If he had gotten the message earlier, he could have gotten there to see his wife.
01:03:17.000Seven years later, he's on an ocean liner and he meets a dude who's a scientist who's working with electromagnetic fields.
01:03:24.000And he basically says, do you think it would be possible to use this electromagnetic field and get it somewhere else so that we can quicken time?
01:03:35.000Long story short, he basically gets together with this guy who is a scientist on electromagnetic fields.
01:03:43.000They send a message, and I can't remember whether it was from New York to Washington, D.C., but I think it was.
01:04:06.000And it was, of course, a bigger revolution than even the Internet, some would argue, because before that time, And throughout all of human history, the only way to get a message to somebody was by foot, boat,
01:04:37.000Well, it's fascinating when you think that there was people a long time ago that if something was going on 10 miles away, there's no way of finding out.
01:05:12.000Think about what the world would have done if the Mongols were coming into the Middle East and just killing people wholesale in Russia the way they did.
01:05:18.000Think about what the world would be doing.
01:05:20.000We'd be like, we've got to stop these assholes on horseback right now.
01:05:48.000Could you imagine if you could do that?
01:05:50.000I mean if time travel becomes reality where you can't mess up the timeline like say if all timelines are completely independent say if you could go back in time and you could have like have at it and do whatever the fuck you want it would have no bearing on the future if they find out the timelines are completely independent and that if you do go back in time it has literally no effect on the current future You go back to where you were,
01:06:16.000Even your actual actions never really took place.
01:06:18.000They took place in an alternative timeline.
01:06:20.000How much would you love to fucking suit up with some, like, Navy SEAL-type bulletproof armor, lock yourself down in a fucking giant tank, and go roll into the Mongol Empire?
01:06:40.000I think about a helicopter gunship while these a-holes are on their horses coming in and try to kill and rape and be like, hey, guess what?
01:07:29.000They had electricity that was coming from, wait for it, nuclear power, these fucking idiots.
01:07:34.000They had developed these nuclear sites where they had these generators that they could never shut off, and they kept them running, and when anything would go wrong, the power would go out, it would melt down, and they would have to clear everyone out of the area for $100,000.
01:07:49.000Not only that, you had to be tied to a power source.
01:07:51.000You literally had to have a long rope coming out of your head that was attached to some huge box just to hear yourself or other people.
01:08:34.000How about use solar power, figure out an efficient way of using solar power to process the salt out of the water, and we have the most green, lush landscape ever.
01:10:24.000And that was basically saying that the Catholic Church was a sham, or at least they didn't need all this money, and it was corrupt, and if you want the Word of God, all you need is the Bible.
01:10:33.000You don't need all this elaborate, iconic...
01:10:37.000He actually phonetically translated the Bible for the first time, for the common folk.
01:10:42.000So regular people could read the Bible.
01:10:45.000That wasn't actually Martin Luther's contribution.
01:10:48.000Martin Luther's contribution was to say he was a Jesuit priest, I believe, who said that you can be just as holy as the Pope, as a common man, if you are religious and you follow the Bible.
01:11:01.000You don't need this huge infrastructure and hierarchy of bishops and priests.
01:11:06.000He did something with translating the Bible.
01:11:32.000So the New Testament was first published in 1522, and the complete Bible containing the Old and New Testaments was 1534, and the project absorbed Luther's later years.
01:11:45.000Thanks to then-recently invented printing press, the result was widely disseminated and contributed significantly to development of today's modern high German language.
01:11:55.000And so what had happened was when Luther...
01:12:24.000Which was essentially the proletariat can be just as holy as somebody with cloth and a crown.
01:12:31.000I mean, in other words, it was kind of the democratization of Christianity, right?
01:12:35.000I mean, all you needed was a Bible and to live the Word of God, and you could be...
01:12:40.000Yeah, you didn't need a church in order to...
01:12:43.000That was real heresy to say that you as a farmer, if you follow the word of God, can be even less corrupt and be in more favor with God than even the Pope.
01:12:54.000I think he had to leave Germany for it.
01:12:56.000Well, I don't remember exactly specifically what the events were, but his take on it, Dan Carlin's take on it, I think, goddammit, I'm going to find it here.
01:13:05.000But didn't his teaching spark the Hundred Years War?
01:13:08.000I mean, the Catholics and the Protestants, those vicious wars.
01:13:11.000Thor's Angels is the name of the podcast.
01:13:14.000You've got to listen to it, because it is fucking absolutely, completely stunning.
01:14:03.000You go to the church, you hear those people.
01:14:06.000Priests also would give you, you would do things for the priest, and they would grant you, I can't remember the word for it, but you'd basically get points in favor of going to heaven.
01:14:16.000That's what it used to look like when it was handwritten.
01:15:30.000Hundreds of years later, after the Native American population had dwindled, like, substantially, 90% of them had died off because of smallpox, the buffalo were out of fucking control.
01:15:40.000And he also talked about how the introduction of the horse changed the way they were hunting, because the horse even preceded a lot of European settlers because of theft.
01:15:50.000Well, the Spanish brought the horse over, right?
01:15:57.000That's what spread influenza through the Mississippi Delta and all those different diseases that Native Americans had never been exposed to.
01:16:03.000Because when they came back, they saw these towns that were empty.
01:16:07.000And it was like, where are all the people?
01:16:11.000And what Dan Floor is apparently saying, I'm going to try to get him on soon, is that the Native Americans, just with the horse and the firearm, were on their way to eradicating the buffalo.
01:16:42.000So what had happened was when the Western people came and killed millions of buffaloes and stacked them on top of each other, and the reason why there were so many buffalo in the first place is they had gotten widely out of control, or wildly out of control,
01:16:58.000because so many Native Americans had died.
01:17:00.000Really, I mean, we're doing a really bad job of explaining this, but apparently this guy Dan Flores has some really interesting information and a deep, deep base of knowledge on this subject and all sorts of historical points of reference that he can point to that explains why these animals had died off and what was going on.
01:17:23.000But it's amazing when you think that this country, like, you're talking about the very earliest European settlers, 1400s, 1500s.
01:17:38.000I also think it's very patronizing to suggest that the Native Americans weren't exactly like white people in a lot of ways in terms of just...
01:17:46.000Of course they would hunt things to expert interpretation.
01:17:59.000But I also do think that the way they were living, by taking everything from this animal, utilizing every piece of the animal, utilizing the bones, utilizing the hide...
01:18:08.000They were better stewards of the earth, for sure.
01:18:11.000And they were more engaged in the whole relationship that they had to these animals that they were killing and eating.
01:18:17.000Well, I think our legacy, if we're not careful...
01:18:21.000I'm talking about our legacy in 2014. If we're not careful, our legacy may very well be that we destroyed this earth or made it a lot worse.
01:18:30.000And that's really hard to stop with the onslaught of technology and all the growth of our population and how many resources we need and the byproducts and the wastes.
01:19:56.000Yes, but I do think that what I think about...
01:20:00.000is that what gives us meaning is all of us no matter most of us at least unless you're a crazy person but all of us are always working Even Dawkins and people who are sort of nihilists, people who say, well, we're a grain of sand and none of this means anything.
01:20:19.000If that were the case, they are still writing books to tell us how meaningless it is.
01:20:24.000Everybody is very busy working very hard at their own expression.
01:20:27.000And I think it's because, and we were talking about this, some people want to score social brownie points.
01:20:32.000But for the most part, human beings work very hard to try to at least influence, for the better, The people that we love, the people we're connected to, the people that we are...
01:20:43.000Well, we're trying to make things better for ourselves, but the reality is...
01:21:41.000I mean, at the very least, it's outdated and it's clunky.
01:21:44.000Well, Ray Kurzweil said, well, look at our bodies the way we look at a cell phone from the 80s.
01:21:48.000As you're able to, like, mesh your body with machines and you become more efficient in everything from holding your breath for an hour underwater or red blood cells that keep you warm or whatever it might be.
01:22:02.000Technology, tissue regeneration, nanotechnology, robotics, and biocompatible machinery like that is going to change our very biology.
01:22:10.000Which leads to a whole new set of problems.
01:22:12.000At a certain point in time, will we even be a person anymore?
01:22:17.000And will we even be what we consider a carbon-based life form anymore?
01:22:37.000I've seen people criticize his ideas saying those things won't be possible, but I think what they're missing is that we can replicate it without even totally understanding its processes.
01:22:48.000The thing is we don't understand all the complex processes of utilizing proteins and this and that and how many steps and phases it takes to create a human being.
01:23:00.000They could recreate what it is to be a human being without all those processes if they have a different mechanism.
01:23:08.000So instead of a biological mechanism of cells and proteins and vitamins and nutrients and neurotransmitters and all the different things that grow into being a person, if it's silicon-based, if it's some sort of computer-based system that emulates all of the processes of being a human being...
01:25:04.000And the idea of a dream in and of itself is a very fucking strange thing.
01:25:11.000You shut your brain off every night, you close your eyes, and your mind starts a process that we don't totally understand.
01:25:18.000We know there's a bunch of things happening, like REM sleep, rapid eye movement.
01:25:23.000We know now that there's neurotransmitters that are moving in and out of the brain and Fucking around with your consciousness while you're out, and we know what processes are shutting down and turning off, but we all totally understand what dreaming is.
01:26:14.000You know, I was watching this video before you got here with Richard Dawkins arguing with his Islamic people, and this guy was talking about how moral Islam is and how it's important and ethics and this and that, and Dawkins just kept hammering this dude.
01:26:26.000He said, what is the price that you must pay if you abandon Islam?
01:26:31.000And the guy didn't want to answer it, the guy didn't want to answer it, and then he went back to it.
01:27:22.000Not only that, in Islamic countries, some insane number, like in the 90 percentile, believe that you should be stoned to death for adultery.
01:27:31.000Well, but I have to, just having lived there for a long time, I do have to come to the defense of the fact that That those, just like with the book of Deuteronomy and Judaism, which says exactly the same thing, by the way, most Muslims...
01:27:45.000It says if you leave Christianity, you get killed?
01:27:47.000No, in the book of Deuteronomy, I mean, a lot of those laws come from the Old Testament.
01:27:51.000Remember, the Koran was very heavily influenced by the Old Testament.
01:27:54.000The Koran, in many ways, is a rebuttal to the New Testament, saying that Jesus Christ is not God.
01:27:58.000But most of the Ten Commandments and things are held as...
01:28:06.000But those things come from the old Jewish law.
01:28:09.000Where does it ever say that if you leave Christianity, you're supposed to be killed?
01:28:18.000But the point I was making is that most Muslims, I would...
01:28:24.000Guarantee, I promise you, don't believe that adultery, that you should stone a woman to death.
01:28:29.000Most Muslims aren't even that religious.
01:28:31.000And there's this misconception, and also Islam is very, very, the religion, if you look at the difference between Indonesian Muslims, for example, and Wahhabi Muslims who are in Saudi Arabia, it's vastly different because of the way they interpret the Quran.
01:28:46.000The Quran can be interpreted, it's the most easily and widely interpreted religion as well.
01:28:51.000It's very, very open for interpretation.
01:28:54.000So, and that's what Islamic scholars will always tell you.
01:28:58.000And most Muslims don't hold that point of view.
01:29:02.000Right, but isn't that like saying that most Christians believe in evolution?
01:29:07.000I mean, it's like, what is the religion based on if you start deviating from it and adding in a bunch of your own thoughts and then just sort of ignoring the old stuff, like Old Testament stuff.
01:29:17.000People do that with religion, all the stuff, though.
01:29:50.000And that's a very good point, a very good question, and an important question to ask.
01:29:55.000I also think that there is also value in Islam to a lot of Muslims because it is a blueprint for how to live their lives and it works for them.
01:30:10.000You know, there are a lot of examples of that.
01:30:12.000Modesty, charity, and things like that.
01:30:14.000It's when people interpret these things literally, i.e.
01:30:18.000fundamentally, or if they take it as symbology, as suggestions of how to live your life.
01:30:24.000Just like you could be a Christian fundamentalist, and you're going to be a very different person than if you are a regular Christian who takes this symbolism.
01:30:31.000Jamie, pull up, just Google not radical Islam, and then pull up a video.
01:30:37.000Pull up videos from Not Radical Islam on Google.
01:30:53.000I don't know how you say it, but anyway, this guy is being interviewed, this guy is communicating with this group of people and they're all these other Islamics or other Muslims and he's talking about how people are confused about what radical Islam is and what's just actual Islam and what the law is and what you're supposed to do.
01:31:39.000So while they're always, for example, focusing on Islam and not Judaism or Christianity, while, for example, also in Jerusalem, For those who've been to Jerusalem, in the bosses in Jerusalem, for example, women sit separate than men,
01:31:55.000So why, like five minutes ago or early, we were asked about why Muslims have to be sitting separate, you know, men and women, but they never ask these questions to Jews or Christians, why specifically Muslims or Islam?
01:32:09.000Didn't we answer this question yesterday?
01:32:13.000And you said that you need to ask the media.
01:32:49.000Can we have this camera focusing on all the audience here?
01:32:57.000Because every now and then, every time we have a conference, every time we invite a speaker, they always come with the same accusations.
01:33:10.000This speaker supports death penalty for homosexuals, this speaker supports death penalty for this crime or this crime or that he is homophobic, they subjugate women, etc,
01:33:26.000It's the same old stuff coming all the time.
01:33:30.000And we always try to tell them, I always try to tell them that, look, it's not that speaker that we're inviting who has these extreme radical views, as you say.
01:33:43.000These are general views that every Muslim actually has.
01:33:48.000Every Muslim believes in these things.
01:33:50.000Just because they're not telling you about it or just because they're not out there in the media doesn't mean they don't believe in them.
01:33:58.000So I will ask you, Everyone in the room.
01:34:42.000How many of you agree that the punishments described in the Quran and the Sunnah Whether it is death, whether it is stoning for adultery, whatever it is, if it is from Allah and His Messenger,
01:34:58.000that is the best punishment ever possible for humankind.
01:35:04.000And that is what we should apply in the world.
01:36:18.000Well, I don't like those kind of videos, to be honest with you, because I happen to think that if you took a cross-section of people from all over the Muslim world, you'd find very different points of view.
01:36:29.000You'd find people who were way more liberal than that guy.
01:36:33.000And I think it's because people are living their lives.
01:36:35.000They don't even have time to go to mosque, just like you see with Christians, just like you see with Jews.
01:37:30.000You know, I think there are problems with Islam like any other religion.
01:37:33.000I think there are problems with certain populations of Muslims who have been isolated.
01:37:37.000There might be a lot of ignorance in certain parts of the world, like the Middle East, where there isn't a lot of money or exposure to other ideas.
01:37:44.000Yes, but I think that that is very anti-Islamic and very slanted in its own way.
01:37:52.000Just taking a, I'm not saying you are, I'm saying if you took that and you look at one video and decide that's how Muslims think in general, I think it's a mistake.
01:38:02.000Well, first of all, this video is a pro-Islam site that put this video up.
01:38:07.000This video was put up by Islam.net video.
01:38:32.000All I'm saying is that that to me, that video to me, leaves non-Muslims with the impression that all Muslims are extreme.
01:38:43.000And what I'm saying is I don't believe that they are.
01:38:46.000I mean, this country, a Christian country for all intents and purposes, puts a great number of people to death, and we have a lot of people on death row.
01:38:56.000For crimes, especially for murder, right?
01:38:58.000Wait a minute, but this state is a secular thing.
01:39:51.000But, at what point in time, what is the religion then?
01:39:55.000I mean, if it becomes more moderate, if you don't ascribe to certain things that are in this ancient text that tell you there's very clear laws and rules that you're supposed to abide by.
01:40:08.000If you just decide, well, we're going to morph it because it's 2014 and we think that the new evidence shows that homosexuals are actually born and it's not their fault.
01:40:16.000It's just a part of genetics and it's part of life itself.
01:40:19.000It's like having red hair or a big nose.
01:40:21.000Some people are gay and some people are straight.
01:40:27.000I think you could identify as a Christian, as a Muslim, as a Jew, and not hold all the tenets of that particular religion.
01:40:53.000You're a believer who believes not in the letter of the law, but rather in the symbol, in the suggestion and the idea that we can reach to be as good as we can be, and that some laws that were written 1,400 years ago in this case, or whatever, I think that's how long it was,
01:41:08.000are outdated because science, etc., is starting to show us that a lot of those laws do not hold relevance in our everyday lives, and in fact are probably unethical or immoral.
01:41:19.000But isn't that completely fascinating when you look at all these different countries that do believe that if you leave Islam, you're a dead person.
01:41:31.000I mean, there's a bunch of different things.
01:41:33.000If you're homosexual, you should be killed with rocks.
01:41:35.000Very important questions to ask and very important for the Muslim world to debate.
01:41:39.000And they're going through that debate right now, just like Judaism and Christianity went through that debate.
01:41:44.000I mean, how many people were burned at stake in the name of witchcraft in Salem and all over Europe, for that matter, because they were not, what?
01:41:55.000So I think this is a product of a religion.
01:41:59.000I think, actually, that these debates and the questions you're asking, which are also being asked in the Muslim world, are crucial because it's how a religion...
01:42:09.000You know, it's the process a religion must go through and contend with.
01:42:41.000A lot of those countries, I would imagine, are also very poor, and I don't know how they're polling, but I think a lot of those countries, when you've got nothing, you turn to religion.
01:42:55.000It is a scary thought, though, that we're in this part of the world, there's a giant chunk of human beings that have these ideals.
01:43:03.000I mean, these are ideas that are incredibly common in giant chunks of the world, millions of people.
01:43:11.000And when you're talking about what a religion is, and there's so many moderates, well, what is this religion, then?
01:43:17.000I mean, if there are moderates who don't believe that you should be stoned to death, who don't believe that you should be killed if you leave, who don't believe that you should be killed It should be killed with rocks if you're an adulterer.
01:43:46.000Religious in some ways than the Sunni, although that's a big...
01:43:51.000Actually, with ISIS, they believe in Wahhab and Wahhabism and stuff, but...
01:43:59.000I think that, you know, Iraq, from what I understand, was essentially, they were Ba'athists, which was, the idea was that you were secular, that all Arabs should band together and there should be sort of this belt of Arab unity, which was what Nasser was trying to do in Egypt,
01:44:17.000etc., etc., unify the Arabs under one sort of, but Saddam Hussein was very sort of, until later on, was very anti- Islam, in a lot of ways.
01:44:27.000Yeah, well, that was a secular nation.
01:44:29.000It was a secular nation before we invaded it, and now it's a civil war between two varying sects of Islam.
01:44:35.000It's just, to me, I think that ideologies are very dangerous, and rigid ideologies that are thousands of years old are the most dangerous.
01:45:34.000They were having meetings with a counselor.
01:45:36.000And she recorded him talking to this therapist...
01:45:41.000And she was asking him all these questions about these incidents and he was very specific about the answers and she taped the therapy session.
01:45:53.000And apparently it's legal to secretly record a conversation because In California, you're allowed to secretly record conversations to gather evidence that the other person committed a violent felony.
01:46:07.000And molesting a child under the age of 14 is considered a violent felony.
01:47:05.000Usually when you read about this, you go, well, that guy should be put in jail right away and all that stuff.
01:47:10.000And it's an interesting thing because I've been thinking about it.
01:47:13.000I feel like, and I want to be careful how I say this because I know him well, I feel like this is a guy who's a good guy with a sickness, like a compulsion and a sickness.
01:47:26.000So when you say good guy, I think that...
01:47:32.000I find myself shaking my head and scratching my head, but I know Stephen well, and I think it's possible.
01:47:39.000Is it possible that you mean good to everybody, your fellow man, yet you have a compulsion and a sickness that you don't know what to do about?
01:47:50.000And this article that I was reading to you about when we were on the plane and there was an article in the New York Times written about pedophilia and how a lot of pedophiles have these urges.
01:48:26.000Shouldn't there be somewhere for these people to go where they can say, I'm having these feelings, I need help because I feel like I'm going to touch a child?
01:48:35.000That seems to be creating a place for those people to go and somehow seek help I feel is more important than if they don't have anywhere to go for help and they know if they go anywhere,
01:48:50.000they're going to lose their job, they're going to lose their life and everything else.
01:48:53.000They're not going to go anywhere and they're going to touch a kid.
01:48:55.000So the end result here is we've got to figure out a way so less kids get molested, right?
01:49:01.000It raises a very difficult debate and question, which is, if this is indeed a sickness, and there's a lot of evidence that maybe it is even neurological, like there's an overwhelming number of pedophiles that are left-handed, an overwhelming number of pedophiles that have trouble with spatial relationships.
01:49:15.000Yeah, this was in the New York Times article that you were reading on the plane yesterday, which is so fascinating, this came out today.
01:50:12.000Should they have somewhere to go to say, hey, I have these urges, I don't want to touch a kid, please help me.
01:50:18.000Should there be a safe haven for pedophiles to get help so that they don't touch children, or at least it lowers the chances that they will touch children?
01:50:27.000Yeah, it's some scary shit, you know, to think that you could be a person that is, in all other ways, a normal person, but like a crackhead around crack that's compelled.
01:50:39.000Like, you have an alcoholic and you set a glass of whiskey in front of them and you pour a glass of whiskey.
01:50:44.000I mean, they're drawn to that whiskey.
01:54:54.000Because, first of all, I think there is a difference between anal rape and vaginal rape and being touched.
01:55:01.000When I was a kid in camp, I was 11, I was, I guess, technically molested by my camp counselor, who was a man in his 40s, and he was touching me and fondling me.
01:55:11.000I woke up and he had his hand in my pants, and he was playing with my piece.
01:57:06.000Well, that's why this whole yes means yes law, which was recently passed in California, is kind of offensive to people that have actually been raped.
01:57:15.000If you don't know this law, the idea being that a lack of resistance does not equal consent.
01:57:34.000I kind of see that they don't want someone to feel like they were overwhelmed by someone and they didn't know what to do and they couldn't say anything.
01:57:40.000And so they think that by forcing people to say, yes, I want to have sex with you, that this would...
01:57:46.000But there's also feminists want to be able to withdraw consent after the fact if they feel like they were tricked.
01:57:51.000So they want to be able to cry rape if you manipulated and lied to them.
01:57:55.000Like I said, I love you, make love to me, and they have sex.
01:58:27.000Yeah, some of them work on fingerprints, and you have an app, and I have an app, and you click yes, and I click yes, and what are we doing?
01:58:35.000Well, that's fucking lunacy, in my opinion, and I think it's a real insult to people who've been held down and raped by strangers or somebody they know in a violent manner.
01:58:48.000I do think that there are times when somebody can be...
01:58:52.000You know, a woman is so overwhelmed she doesn't know what to say and she gets raped.
01:59:01.000Well, there's also times where you really wish you said no and you don't like when it's happening and you don't know what to do and you just sit there and a guy has sex with you.
02:00:15.000They're both intoxicated, they're communicating back and forth with each other, but somehow or another he's responsible for his actions, he was expelled from college, she wasn't.
02:00:37.000But the real problem is, one of the women at Occidental College that Thaddeus Russell referenced, who counseled this girl, said that he fits the profile, ready for this?
02:00:48.000For being a rapist, because he came from a good family, because he's a valedictorian, and because he's on a sports team.
02:02:42.000A woman having these responsibilities that she has to worry about becoming impregnated, you know, where a guy can just fucking shoot loads all fucking willy-nilly till the cows come home and not worry about a goddamn thing happening to his body.
02:03:09.000But now you add in birth control, which is like a lot of people believe one of the radical changes in society, in this culture, was in the 1950s when they invented, or 60s when they invented, when did they invent birth control?
02:04:02.000No one is ever going to argue that if a guy and a girl get together and they have a couple of drinks and the girl gets on top of the guy and has sex with them that the guy got raped.
02:04:32.000I mean, we're seeing a reaction to the sex that's been marginalized, that females have been marginalized, that they've been oppressed.
02:04:38.000And look, rape is fucking real as shit, man.
02:04:40.000Like, we're in Alaska, and one of the things that we talked about when we were in Alaska with people that live there is how many people get raped up there.
02:04:47.000And that these women who live in Alaska, you're dealing with high rates of alcoholism, you're dealing with isolated populations, and you're dealing with a lot of rape.
02:04:56.000Well, because there are few women, very few women to men in a lot of those towns.
02:04:59.000Something crazy, like seven to one, seven men to one women?
02:06:33.000There was no penetration in magazines.
02:06:36.000Now you've got RedTube and XX and NX and all that shit.
02:06:41.000Our ability to view sex has changed so radically that people, apparently, especially kids, are engaging in way more sex early.
02:06:53.000And also the kind of sex they watch on TV because a lot of the women, girls, think they have to keep up with the boys' fantasies because they've been watching all this porn.
02:07:02.000And boys get really bored too, apparently.
02:07:05.000I've read studies or heard about studies where a lot of boys will...
02:07:10.000Like when you and I were growing up just seeing a naked girl, we weren't looking at imperfections.
02:07:14.000We were like, holy fucking shit, she's naked.
02:07:18.000Boys now have access to these women that have been surgically enhanced and photoshopped and all that stuff and with makeup and their appreciation for linear lines and all that stuff is way more heightened.
02:08:19.000They're hardcore cockblockers because they're angry that they're not sexually attractive.
02:08:23.000And a lot of it is just a fucking genetic roll of the dice.
02:08:27.000You have perfect bone structure, your nose is the perfect shape, your body's perfect shape, and everybody's gravitating towards you.
02:08:33.000But you go to the person on the left, and this person, their dad was goofy looking, their mom was goofy looking, and then they made goofy looking kids.
02:08:42.000There's nothing that goofy looking kid can do about it.
02:08:44.000But when you're talking about these radical feminists who are coming up with these laws or whatever, again, this is the lunatic fringe.
02:08:52.000This is an example, if we can bring it back to the Islam debate.
02:08:58.000I believe that these people are unreasonable.
02:09:02.000And there are a lot of people in religion that are unreasonable.
02:09:06.000And I think that these feminists who are pushing these laws are very similar to fundamentalists.
02:09:13.000They have their own orthodoxy, their own fundamentalism, their own very strong ideas of what rape is.
02:09:20.000And rape is anything, anything that they deem it to be in this case.
02:09:26.000They put rape, they put somebody who didn't necessarily say they wanted to have sex on the same ground as somebody who was violently raped by some stranger in a parking lot at knife point, whatever.
02:12:55.000It's the idea being that that person is a sicko.
02:12:58.000But we were talking about dominatrixes while we were in camp.
02:13:04.000And one of the things we were talking about was how weird it is that people, like a lot of really rich and powerful men especially, pay to get dominated by women.
02:13:14.000Like women will tie them up and fucking rope their balls to the ground and all that shit you were talking to me about.
02:13:47.000And so that, again, is what I'm saying about we live in a very religious country in many ways.
02:13:53.000And whenever you look at Islam or you look at Christianity, I believe that the majority of people from any religion, if you really talk to them, we have a lot more in common.
02:14:02.000Americans have a lot more in common with… I bet a lot of the average Arab on the street, if you really get them alone, a lot more in common than you think.
02:14:14.000I mean, my God, I guarantee most of them want some saying who governs them.
02:14:18.000Most people have doubts about their religion.
02:14:21.000Most people don't want to see people suffer and be hurt even though their religion might say you should stone somebody, etc., etc.
02:14:44.000Yeah, and it's also, if you grew up in that environment, the reality is, if that was your standard of behavior, if you were around people like those guys in that video, you know, how many of you belong to a regular mosque?
02:14:57.000If you were around that guy, you'd be like that guy.
02:15:00.000That's the reality is we imitate our atmosphere.
02:15:02.000Or you would assume the position when you're in church, and then you go about your day, and life is busy, and you're like, And in that sense, I can see, I totally see this pendulum shifting back and forth, and this yes means yes.
02:15:17.000I kind of see the origins of it, and I kind of see, like, I see the whole thing from a larger perspective, but I just feel that as human beings trying to engineer our society, that what we should really be trying to do,
02:16:01.000But let's approach this with compassion.
02:16:06.000Let's counsel these people to not get drunk and make poor choices.
02:16:11.000Let's not turn the men into rapists or use that term where there are real rapists.
02:16:17.000There are people that fucking hate women and they want to hold them down and put a knife to their neck and fuck them just so they can say they did it because they're evil cunts.
02:16:38.000And to say that this young 18-year-old guy is supposed to have more responsibility in that scenario than the 18-year-old girl is totally sexist, completely illogical, totally unfair, and evil.
02:17:44.000And it's kind of an interesting thing if you think about it, under one word, what human beings really, that human history has been sort of a march and a quest for dignity by peoples and by individuals.
02:17:55.000We're trying to engineer a more idealistic society.
02:17:59.000Slowly but surely from the dark ages on to 2014, from the beginning of writing shit down on animal skins, trying to establish a set of moral principles based on the word of God or Allah or Buddha or whoever the fuck you want.
02:18:15.000We're trying to figure out a way to do things better.
02:20:17.000Yeah, personalities clash, and it doesn't always work.
02:20:22.000But when it does work, God, it's magic.
02:20:23.000And to try to quantify that magic with a conversation of consent, and people say, well, your romance is not as important as a woman's sexual sovereignty, and you need to establish it.
02:21:20.000But when a man steps in and starts saying a bunch of really illogical shit, when a man starts taking radical feminist points of view, that shit becomes very offensive to me.
02:23:51.000He goes that impostors, when he created his image of hell, which was a cone, inverted cone, and the very worst, the bottom of the center of the earth, are, you know, murderers and sadistic killers and impostors.
02:24:03.000Impostors are actually down there with them.
02:24:30.000I don't necessarily agree with all of his points of view, but he's a very bright man, and he knows so much more about economics than I ever will.
02:26:46.000A corporation just can't take advantage of its workers and pay them as little as it wants because businesses compete with one another to buy labor.
02:29:47.00030% of the homeless people in America are veterans, so when everybody says we support the troops, that's a lie.
02:29:54.000You support the troops when they're out there getting killed or shot, but when they come home and they're homeless and they got no jobs, you don't support the troops.
02:30:02.000I didn't even support a lot of these wars that put those troops over there in the first place.
02:30:09.000This guy's great though, this guy's Schiff.
02:31:26.000But that's such a classic example of like, you might be angry, I understand, but it's exactly the great Thoreau quote.
02:31:30.000I see men everywhere hacking at the branches of evil while none are striking the root.
02:31:36.000And if you want to say something's evil, if it's Wall Street, if it's big pharma, if it's whatever, it's so crucial to establish what kind of evil.
02:31:48.000And the way you figure that out is who is the real enemy?
02:31:55.000That's why you've got to earn your opinion.
02:31:56.000Otherwise, you're just shouting in the wind and you're just part of that.
02:31:59.000Well, not only that, you can't have a conversation like this where one guy has a microphone and he's going back and forth, handing it to you and you, and you do it in a video.
02:32:11.000Two people shouting their point of view.
02:32:13.000To really establish what is wrong with the Department of Education, you have to have a long, nuanced conversation about what they're doing, how they're funded, what the problem is, how they subsidize college tuition so that it costs so much more for you to actually go to college, the reason why it's so goddamn expensive,
02:32:29.000and it would be different if this didn't exist.
02:32:32.000Talking to people who know their shit and reading the right books who make a good argument is how you get closer at least.
02:32:39.000Investigation over some time is how you get closer to figuring out where the real problems lie.
02:32:46.000Yeah, it's the emotions that flare up when people start talking about things and they don't really have an educated opinion on them.
02:32:53.000They just go there because they know something's wrong.
02:32:56.000I equated Occupy Wall Street to like white blood cells.
02:32:59.000I'm like, they know there's an infection, so they all circle around this area of infection, but it's not noticeably affected.
02:33:06.000That's a really, really good metaphor for that, because you're right, it was a combination of a lot of things.
02:33:23.000But the dialogue was already opened up and people understood the bailout.
02:33:26.000People started paying attention to the bailout.
02:33:27.000And when people went broke and didn't know why.
02:33:30.000But yes, it's why there are some very important and very challenging problems in the world.
02:33:39.000And there are people out there that are coming up with good answers.
02:33:44.000But unfortunately, and one of the things that's beautiful about a podcast, what I try to do with mine and what you certainly do with yours, is that a lot of really good ideas are stuck in books.
02:33:55.000And I think that technology, podcasting, if it's done responsibly in a lot of other venues, is how you get those ideas out of those books.
02:34:04.000Most of us don't have that much time to read, man.
02:34:13.000You know, like how many opinions that we'd have when we started doing podcasting and then I'd get corrected on this podcast, my podcast, I'd come up with a point of view and say something and people would be like, by the way, you're a little bit wrong on this.
02:34:24.000And I'd go, I've been holding that belief for 10 fucking years.
02:34:27.000And when you start to really investigate and try to come up with a really sound, strong, political philosophy, business philosophy, life philosophy, it takes a lot of fucking work and trial and error.
02:35:14.000And that's why opinions are very hard to let go of.
02:35:17.000Yeah, it's also when people are having conversations, a lot of times they're not just expressing each other and exchanging information or expressing themselves and exchanging information.
02:35:49.000This terrifying scenario that happened one night in front of the comedy store where I saw this guy get in a fight with this guy who didn't have any fucking skill at all.
02:36:30.000I certainly do, and I've worked very hard to try to...
02:36:34.000Let go of that shit when I'm in an argument and sometimes I have to check myself and go, man, I'm arguing to be right here because this person's attacking something else inside of me I'm not even aware of or whatever.
02:36:46.000I got to check myself in my relationship sometimes.
02:36:49.000We'll just start having an argument and I'm just pissed off and I want to have an argument because I feel like I want to be right about this subject.
02:36:55.000And when I take a step back, a lot of times it's really hard to do, but it's really important sometimes you go, you know what?
02:37:01.000I actually don't know that much about it.
02:37:02.000Yeah, and sometimes someone will say something crazy to you, and instead of saying, wait a minute, you'll say something crazy back, and the next thing you know it's a fucking avalanche of crazy.
02:37:11.000Both of you are swinging, swinging into the air, and emotional, and fucking can't breathe good.
02:37:16.000It's also really important to identify what you mean by X. What do you mean by God?
02:38:07.000You were talking the other day, and you were explaining where technology was going, and I had a lot of opinions because I'd been reading the same shit.
02:38:14.000I was about to jump in with a bunch of my points as well, but then I was like, wait, let me just listen to this.
02:38:19.000And I learned some shit that I didn't know before.
02:38:24.000A little bit, like to really listen and key into what somebody's saying and look for something new and look for something that you might not know instead of trying to add to the conversation.
02:38:34.000Hey, by the way, guys, this is something I know as well.
02:39:16.000Yeah, and our personal opinion of ourselves.
02:39:21.000But we're coming to find out, especially in this day and age, that's one of the good things about things like Google, You can't know everything.
02:39:54.000I've had that happen to me where people will say something and you go, you're really smart at a lot of stuff and you just stepped into a different arena.
02:40:00.000You're in the middle of the ocean with no boat right now.
02:40:04.000It's one of the few things where I'll just completely stop the conversation.
02:40:25.000Jamie, there's a video on my Twitter feed that's from today, and it's from a long time ago, from I think it was the 1950s, this fucking old man doing judo with his top students.
02:40:39.000And this old dude is like, I don't know how old he is at the time, but he's fucking old.
02:40:45.000He's old and he's really frail looking.
02:42:44.000And judo is one of the roughest when it comes to martial arts on your body.
02:42:49.000So watching this old, really old man throw these young cats around is incredibly impressive because of the fact that it's so physically dependent.
02:42:59.000I mean, you see, like, the really great judokas.
02:43:02.000Like, look in the UFC. Like, Hector Mumbar.
02:43:40.000And these are like great judokas that are in mixed martial arts today.
02:43:44.000You know, and there's a lot of, like, their explosion, their ability to close the distance and execute techniques that can be attributed to this power and athleticism.
02:43:53.000But this old dude ain't got none of that, man.
02:46:34.000But, like a lot of these people that maybe did some questionable things that made them get larger, maybe something, they lose weight, and then they become smaller, and, you know, maybe it'd be easier for now to drop that weight.
02:47:19.000You can force yourself to lose weight.
02:47:21.000I mean, you can only force yourself to lose a certain amount and still be athletically competitive.
02:47:26.000But she's still doing strength and conditioning exercises.
02:47:28.000She's still doing all sorts of things that build muscle.
02:47:31.000And if she didn't, if she really wanted to drop down to 135 pounds, she would have to diminish her body mass.
02:47:36.000Who that you know, fighter-wise, I was thinking about BJ Penn, but who do you know who's really fought in the most drastic weight categories?
02:47:55.000Maybe he was a little bit heavier than that, but when he fought Lyota Machida, Machida was over 205, so Machida was technically a heavyweight.
02:48:08.000In his prime, he was a fucking animal.
02:48:11.000But I think that he's probably the biggest example of a high-level guy that's fought.
02:48:18.000Obviously, Machida went on to be the light heavyweight champion and is a contender right now in the middleweight division, and BJ just fought as a featherweight.
02:48:40.000Was that ever addressed by him or by anybody else?
02:48:43.000Yeah, he said he was trying to conserve energy.
02:48:46.000He decided that that was a stance that he was going to adopt because in keeping his legs wide and pushing off with his legs that it would require too much energy.
02:48:54.000He's always had a problem with stamina.
02:50:00.000And a really loved guy who also is supremely physically talented.
02:50:05.000People don't know that BJ, you know, that nickname, the prodigy, it came because he won the world championships after three years of training in jiu-jitsu.
02:50:14.000But I've heard other fighters like Eva Edwards and those guys tell me that They'd never seen anybody pick up a technique that quickly.
02:50:21.000So when you're an MMA fighter, picking up a technique, whatever it might be, you've got to drill it.
02:50:26.000Sometimes it can take up to a year or four months, five months.
02:50:29.000That dude could see it twice and it was part of his repertoire.
02:50:32.000Well, I don't want to say he was a natural fighter, but that was something that he had a lot of passion for and he was very focused about it and it came pretty quickly to him.
02:50:42.000But there's a lot of other guys that have slowly dropped weight.
02:50:45.000McVitor fought as heavy as 240 at one point in his career.
02:50:50.000When he fought Randy Couture, I think he was like 240-something.
02:52:01.000That dude will fight a five-round fighter.
02:52:03.000I don't know if he had to fight a five-rounder.
02:52:05.000Yes, he fought GSP as a five-round fight.
02:52:08.000Yeah, and he just is going practically at the same pace.
02:52:12.000Well, we were watching Rory McDonald knocked out Tarek Safedine this week, and we were watching the highlights of it.
02:52:18.000My friend Robin Black, who also has been on the podcast, did a breakdown of it.
02:52:22.000And he did an awesome breakdown of it and really highlighted some of the things that Rory did really well in that fight and things that Safedine did to try to throw Rory off that didn't work.
02:52:34.000But Rory McDonald is another one at 170 that's fucking terrifying.
02:52:40.000You know, was training with GSP for a long time, and then as they got further along in their career, it started getting the talk about, like, these guys might eventually fight.
02:52:49.000Now that GSP's retired, and he's, like, one of the number one contenders now.
02:53:02.000I mean, you look at what Safedine, when Safedine fought Nate Marquardt, how well he did against Marquardt, and then see Rory pick him apart like that.
02:53:24.000But another thing we were talking about in camp, it was really interesting, we were talking about the reality of these guys damaging themselves.
02:53:33.000You know, Brian and I were at the airport yesterday in Seattle, and we were watching a football game.
02:53:38.000And we don't particularly watch football that often, so we were watching it.
02:53:41.000All I could see was these guys' heads colliding.
02:53:46.000Those helmets colliding with each other.
02:53:48.000And all I could think about was that recent NFL study that showed that 76% of deceased NFL players, 76 out of 79, had brain injuries.
02:55:48.000But he was talking about how when he was fighting, it was a lot of wrestlers that were dominating the 170-pound division, and now there's a lot of kickboxers.
02:56:24.000Well, it's very smart to avoid strikes to the head, especially if you know that a guy is throwing head punches.
02:56:31.000And a lot of these guys, they're not throwing the type of really long-form combinations that you'll see high-level Muay Thai or high-level Dutch kickboxers throw.
02:56:41.000They're throwing one or two techniques.
02:56:43.000And a lot of it's because you're worried about takedowns.
02:56:45.000What we're seeing is just an evolution of the game.
02:58:47.000I'm at the Tower Theater in Philadelphia October 17th with Ian Edwards and I'm at the Warner Theater October 18th with Ian Edwards in Washington, D.C. That's it.
02:59:01.000I got Honey Honey Anthony Cumia is going to be here, and Keith Weber as well, the guy from the Kettlebell Cardio Workout that I talk about so much that I love.