On this week's episode, the brother and sister duo of the sit down with their good friend, Cam Haynes. We talk about his life in LA traffic, his love of country music, and how country music got him hooked on the wild life of country and western music. We also talk about Cam's love of Sturgill Simpson and how he got his start in the music industry, and what it's like to grow up in the 90s and early 00s listening to country music in the 80s and 90s, and why it's so damn good! Also, Cam tells the story of how Luke Bryan got him into country music and why he thinks it's one of the best things he's ever listened to. Enjoy the episode and don't forget to leave us a rating and review on Apple Podcasts and other social media platforms! Cheers, Cheers! -Jon & Jen & John & J.D. & the DREAM Team Subscribe, Like, Share, and Retweet this episode! If you like what you hear, share it with a friend or become a supporter of the show and/or share it on your social media, and spread the word to your friends about this podcast! Love ya'll! Timestamps: 5:00 - What's your favorite country music artist? 6:30 - What s your favourite country music song? 7:15 - What are you listening to right now? 8:20 - What do you think of Luke Bryan's new album? 9:40 - What country music is your favourite? 10:00 11:00 | What s you're listening to the best country music? 15:30 | What are your favorite song of the past week? 16:30 17:15 | What is your favorite part of the day? 18:40 | How did you think it's the best thing you've listened to so far? 19:00 / 16:40 21:30 / 20:00 // 20: What s the worst country music you've heard of the most recent song you've been listening to in the most recently? 22: what s your favorite county music you ve listened to lately? 27:40 / 22:00 & 27: What do they think of it? 26:40 // 27:20 / 27:50 28:20 29 & 29:10
00:07:09.000One out of every 20,000 deer turn out to be albino.
00:07:12.000I guarantee those coyotes or anything else that would like to kill and eat a deer could care less what color it was.
00:07:18.000Yeah, or it would have frozen to death, or it would have starved.
00:07:23.000There's a lot of folks out there who just have this idealistic view of what nature is.
00:07:28.000They have this view of nature being this...
00:07:31.000Place of peace and harmony and it's a fucking brutal horrible environment where no one gets out alive All those animals die and they die they don't live past like seven or eight years if they're really really lucky exactly And the idea that there's something wrong with someone stepping in there and killing one of them and getting the meat off of it,
00:07:54.000as opposed to going to a supermarket and getting some corralled up, penned up animal that's lived its life in hell, it just shows you how goofy we are today.
00:08:04.000I know we're talking about Tanzania and now we're talking about meat, but the other day I put up a picture of me and you with your bear.
00:11:02.000I mean, I remember sitting out there in that plastic table with all of us and just eating this food bite after bite thinking, this is some of the best meat I've ever had.
00:11:21.000Well, any meat, if you don't prepare it right, if you don't take care of it after you kill it, you can get cow meat that rots if you don't take care of it, if you don't prep it, if you don't properly cool it and put it on ice or whatever you have to do, but Jen knows how to cook it.
00:11:40.000Yeah, like what you were talking about with those boars, they come out and they kill the cubs, you know, all a big male dominant boar cares about is his genetics being passed on.
00:11:49.000So when he sees those cubs out there that aren't his, he's like, well, those aren't my genes, so he wants to kill them so that female comes back in heat, and then he can breed her, and that's the whole thing.
00:12:00.000And then, as you said, once that cub, even that female's cub was dead, it went from being her cub When it was dead, then it was just, okay, it's just more food.
00:12:41.000And they were going, this one male bear kept sneaking back in.
00:12:44.000He kept wanting to get to where the bait was, and the female was trying to chase him off because her cubs were there.
00:12:50.000Her cubs ran up a tree, and she chased him off, and he came back, and she chased him off, and he came back, and then she took off, and then she's like, fuck this, and she came back in again, and then they started duking it out.
00:13:00.000And when they're duking it out, they're like...
00:13:18.000Well, and you know, you mentioned the bait there, and that's another thing people don't really understand, because baiting gets a black eye sometimes for hunting.
00:14:22.000We're not taking young males that haven't reached John and Jen.
00:14:26.000They like to kill seven foot plus black bear.
00:14:29.000So to do that, people look at bear and all bear look the same to the uneducated eye.
00:14:34.000Well, when you can see them up close, how we were hunting them on the ground, you get a real good idea of what you're shooting, what you're hunting, what you're going to pass up.
00:16:15.000And John was saying that he thinks in his area where he hunts, there is somewhere between three and eight bear per square mile, which is a lot.
00:16:54.000I mean, that's one more draw for hunting, is when you're just driving through a country and you're just kind of in the cities and you're driving around maybe in a car, you don't get to experience what that country is.
00:17:06.000I mean, to be out there, to live it, to, you know, when I go to all these places, Tanzania, Alberta, Australia...
00:17:13.000And I live out there and sit on the ground and see the animals and hunt them one-on-one, that's when you really get to experience everything that country has to offer.
00:17:28.000I mean, people, that connection has made me who I am, whether I'm killing anything or not, just being there and just being part of the country.
00:17:40.000Yeah, it's definitely something that we're completely disconnected to by standing in the 101 traffic over and over and over again and just grinding out every week sort of the same way.
00:17:54.000Life is you get up, your alarm clock goes off, you got an hour commute, and it really should be about a three-minute commute, but you're going to get stuck in traffic.
00:18:02.000And when you go to a place like Alberta and you're out there and just this unbelievably beautiful, dense forest and you're out there and you're out there doing something that requires a tremendous amount of discipline too.
00:18:16.000One of the things that I really enjoy about archery and about bow hunting is it's not as easy as like set up...
00:18:24.000I'm not saying that rifle hunting is easy because none of it is easy.
00:18:29.000But it's not, if you have a good rest for your rifle, you know, and the animal's no more than, you know, 100 yards away, it's a pretty good likelihood that you're going to shoot that animal.
00:18:40.000100 yards away with a bow and arrow, good fucking luck.
00:18:59.000I still love going out on rifle hunts.
00:19:01.000I haven't rifle hunted for 26 years, but I just like the hunting atmosphere and environment and working together.
00:19:10.000But what I noticed when I transitioned from rifle hunting to bow hunting is where the rifle hunt Ended, like as you said, 100 yards, 200 yards, where it ended, it was over.
00:19:51.000It's just a different discipline, archery is.
00:19:54.000And one of the things that I've talked about with some of my friends that have really gotten into archery is about how the world sort of goes away when you're focusing on that bullseye.
00:20:05.000And it really, in that sense, the practice, for someone who has no interest in hunting, maybe you're a vegetarian, I totally respect that, if that's what you want to do.
00:20:14.000But archery in and of itself is an amazing pursuit just like for the meditative aspects of it.
00:22:25.000And also, It's beautiful having a friend like you who could talk me through all that stuff, who can talk me through the right way to prepare and all the right equipment, having the right bow.
00:22:36.000You know, people give you a hard time because you shoot really powerful bows, and they're like, you don't need to shoot a bow that powerful.
00:23:03.000I feel bad sometimes because sometimes I'll talk about my bow and then out of the blue somebody says, why do you need to shoot 80 or 90 pounds?
00:23:14.000And I've heard it for years and Probably thousands of times and I just feel like lashing out at that one person who maybe that was the first time they've ever even been on my Facebook page or whatever.
00:23:26.000That's what's happened the other day and I didn't lash out because I try to respect everybody.
00:23:53.000So they would say you're doing too much.
00:23:55.000And my whole thing is, I hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
00:24:01.000And so, the worst is on a big bull elk, you catch a shoulder blade, or you drill a big heavy rib, or if I'm hunting Cape Buffalo, I hit a rib, which is like a 2x4.
00:24:13.000So I'm preparing for the worst, I hope for the best.
00:24:38.000Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
00:24:40.000Well, what's interesting is that you've got a whole group of people that are sort of following your philosophy now.
00:24:43.000Like this whole, you know, your catchphrase, keep hammering.
00:24:48.000I see all this hashtag, keep hammering people in the gym, preparing for bowhunts.
00:24:53.000It's like people prepare for bowhunts now like they're preparing for an athletic event.
00:24:57.000I see these dudes doing all these rows and lifts and chin-ups and pulling their back muscles and getting everything in order and then running up hills and all following your lead and treating this as like an athletic endeavor.
00:25:10.000If you've ever seen it, actually, we didn't play your Under Armour commercial the first time, did we?
00:25:25.000It's like it shows you preparing, you know, running up hills.
00:25:28.000And that's also part of this bow hunting thing, is that you're preparing for an event.
00:25:35.000As much of an event as a marathon, as much of an event, and maybe even more so, because it's this...
00:25:42.000People don't like the term spiritual when it's connected to hunting, but there is something that's very spiritual about taking an animal, respecting its life, taking out that meat, and then eating it, and this feeling that you have of being connected to this cycle of life.
00:26:02.000It's a very, very different thing than anything I've ever done before.
00:27:16.000Well, one of the best and ultimate ways is hunting because you're putting that progress, you're putting that athleticism and that training and all that hard work, you're putting it into this really primal situation where you're going uphill,
00:27:39.000Yeah, we're going to go bow hunting for elk next year.
00:27:41.000That seems to me like probably the ultimate of those.
00:27:45.000Yeah, I think the thing with elk, for me that's been, we've probably mentioned that before because if anybody who's going to talk to me about bow hunting, elk's going to come up.
00:27:57.000That was always the biggest dream was killing a big bull elk with my bow.
00:29:18.000So four of them, you got 240 pounds of meat.
00:29:21.000You can haul out or gear or whatever else.
00:29:23.000So on that hunt, I had four llamas available.
00:29:26.000The problem was, I killed that bull opening day of the season.
00:29:30.000We had just walked in with those llamas with...
00:29:33.000Me and these other guys, I was by myself about 10 miles away because I like to be by myself.
00:29:39.000I mean, right now, I just kind of tolerate the cameraman if I'm with somebody, but really what I'm drawn to is solo hunting on my own just because I just like the test of that.
00:30:47.000The llamas, because we just came in the day before, were too tired.
00:30:51.000They're only about 300 pounds, so it's not like they got a ton of muscle.
00:30:56.000They'd walked 12 miles in with gear, and I knew they couldn't get that bull out, so I waited for these other guys who were hunting 10 miles away from me that night to come back to camp, and I'm like, guys, I said, I killed a bull.
00:31:10.000If you guys help me get it out, We'll go down to Le Grand.
00:32:39.000Yeah, because like deer, you can get like a ruddy old buck that's like an eight, nine-year-old buck and it's like, oof, whoa, we might need to throw this one in the steam cooker in a crock pot or something, you know?
00:32:50.000That was like those, you know, that water buffalo or a couple of them I killed in Australia.
00:33:59.000They just see a picture of a pretty girl from Texas with an animal on the ground and they go, oh, that bitch.
00:34:06.000And Ranella wrote this article, which is really interesting, where he was saying that a lot of what you're dealing with is just straight up sexism.
00:34:13.000You're dealing with people that don't want to see a pretty girl in that environment, and for whatever reason they either decide it's not her place, or especially because she's pretty, they have some certain amount of resentment about her anyway because she carries around a certain amount of privilege and easy access to life because she's so pretty.
00:34:32.000The doors just open up for her, which is true, right?
00:34:35.000But what people, what they fail to do is really sort of investigate what's going on in Africa in that these people that live in these communities, if it wasn't for these high fence hunting operations, their resources would be severely diminished.
00:36:09.000Poverty on an intense scale that I think us as Americans, we, you know, you dip your toes in, you go visit for a little bit, and you're still not really grasping the idea of being born there.
00:36:22.000I don't see how you ever could, you know, but what's weird, and so I was wrestling with this whole time, because when I go to these places, I love the culture, I love the people, um, Even there I was trying to learn Swahili with some of the trackers that were working with me.
00:36:40.000Rashidi, awesome guy, speaks only Swahili.
00:36:45.000So I really invest myself into the culture and I just want to learn.
00:36:50.000I want to see things through their eyes.
00:36:56.000I saw these grass shacks and all these people and you know every grass shack had six little kids running around it and it's just like I'm thinking this is awful I mean it's no hope for six kids at every grass shack that seems I don't know it just seemed very sad to me but we were there getting ready to cross this river in the truck and the river was high so we were kind of out Ryan Shalom,
00:38:15.000Yeah, I think people are incredibly adaptable.
00:38:17.000And when people grow up in an environment, that's just what they're used to.
00:38:22.000You get used to it, and that's how you live.
00:38:25.000If that's all you know, you don't know what it's like to stay at the Four Seasons and eat at the buffet in the morning and have the valet pull your car around.
00:38:34.000All the shit that some people think is the good life.
00:38:37.000But those people that are living like that...
00:38:40.000At the Four Seasons, you know, checking their Rolex, where is this goddamn valet?
00:38:44.000You know, those people might be on fucking antidepressants.
00:38:47.000The people in Africa are singing and playing the bongo drums and having a great old time.
00:38:51.000You know what would cause the people at the Four Seasons the most heartache?
00:39:06.000We think that this is the only way to live.
00:39:08.000I mean, look, life is about friendship, experience, having fun, and staying healthy.
00:39:15.000And whatever those people can do to make that happen, and whatever is in their environment that they can take advantage of as far as nutrition and being able to...
00:42:33.000To there, it's just like, whoever can shoot first.
00:42:36.000And that one, the first guy that we saw didn't shoot at us because He didn't have any ammo.
00:42:42.000He had to basically load his gun like a muzzleloader, as a rifle, but he had I found their camp and we investigated everything they had in their camp.
00:42:50.000And so he had like ball bearings and pieces of lead and things.
00:42:53.000He would shove down the barrel and he had wadding and he had a firing pin, match heads to ignite it, gunpowder.
00:43:02.000And so basically he would get one shot.
00:43:04.000And to get that one shot he had to be close.
00:44:02.000Whereas, you know, you mentioned Brian Stevens and the elephant hunt that Americans would go on or, you know, a hunter that would pay for it and they're paying upward maybe $50,000.
00:44:14.000So you're trading the life of an animal if it's poached for $250 or if a hunter goes over there to hunt it and the meat is utilized by the whole village, $50,000.
00:45:44.000And you should see, it's such, I don't know, there's a connection with the natives, the Tanzanians over there where we were.
00:45:54.000If any cat is killed, and when I was there, one of the guys I was with, Richard Baca, he killed a leopard.
00:46:00.000And when any cat is killed or an elephant, the whole village or all the guys that were there working, you basically stop in the jeep up on the hill.
00:46:10.000They get the jeep all, put brush all over it, and they have this chant.
00:46:15.000And they sing this chant as you drive down.
00:46:18.000They shoot the gun twice to announce to the hunting camp that, We're coming in, and we got a special animal.
00:46:26.000And, you know, Ryan explained this whole thing to me.
00:46:29.000But we got a special animal, and so it's either a cat or an elephant, and they come in, and it's just, it's the biggest celebration.
00:46:35.000When Richard killed that leopard, they, all the guys there, the Tanzanians there, were singing this chant, and it was just, it was so powerful.
00:46:47.000And they had him, he sat in this chair, and they lifted him up in this chair, and we're carrying him around The camp.
00:47:33.000I assume they also have to keep the populations down.
00:47:36.000Yeah, that's, you know, lion hunting is, I mean, a lot of people look at lions and judge the hunting for them, saying, and there might be a time when there is no more lion hunting, just because of public outcry,
00:47:53.000But as it is now, Ryan Shlom, where I was hunting with the green leaf, I had the opportunity, we could have killed, we had in it bait, Four-year-old lions.
00:48:06.000Male, legal, big manes, by themself, definitely could kill them.
00:48:13.000He wants to let those four-year-olds age to six or greater.
00:48:18.000He only wants to kill six-year-old lions or greater because then they're past their breeding prime.
00:48:23.000They've done their job for the population, so to speak, and that's when he'll take them out.
00:48:32.000And then another thing that he does is if a male lion is with a pride, meaning there's females there and there's cubs there, if he's there with them, they're his cubs.
00:48:43.000Otherwise, he'd kill them, just like the bear.
00:50:09.000And then there's people that say, well I really respect people who go out and hunt their own meat.
00:50:14.000But as you get deeper and deeper into the categories of people that have problems with hunting, at the very top of that list, which is the most hated, is people that hunt only for the trophy.
00:51:08.000I mean, look, HBO Real Sports aired it the other night.
00:51:11.000There's this thing where they did this whole piece on hunting and this whole eat what you kill movement, what they called it, and they had the clip of me shooting my first deer, and I kind of forgot how I was pretty emotional when it happened.
00:51:28.000So there's definitely a sense of loss when something like that happens, but it's not sad.
00:51:35.000That's an animal that I wanted to eat.
00:51:39.000But there's a difference between that and just going after some animal just to shoot it.
00:52:09.000The people on the fence who need to be convinced or could go either way, those are the people I can appeal to and maybe make an argument that how hard I work and how much hunting means to me and how much I respect these animals.
00:52:50.000But when you get judged, we got judged for smiling with your dead bear.
00:52:56.000The reason why I'm, you know, yeah, when animals, I guess it's not, I don't feel sad, but I respect when an animal dies.
00:53:06.000But the smiling part is I'm proud of everything that went into how much work is involved and how much sacrifice, you know, when you killed yours, you made.
00:53:35.000Well, the weirdness of modern civilization is that no one has a problem with you smiling when you're eating a cheeseburger.
00:53:41.000If you look at any Burger King ad, any McDonald's ad, when someone's eating, a big smile on their face, I mean, you're eating a fucking animal that lived its life in torture.
00:53:52.000I mean, there's very little possibility that that animal was a free-range animal.
00:55:30.000So as we're leaving, I said to Cam, I go, if that guy doesn't at least smack you on the ass on the way out, I'm going to be very disappointed.
00:57:01.000If you go to West Hollywood, and I presume you don't when you're in town, but if you go down Santa Monica Boulevard, there's several clubs that have a lot of men that are built very similar to us.
00:57:12.000They also might have beards like we do.
01:03:43.00015 seconds we heard and you know John and you so that's it you got it it was perfect and it was done yeah within 30 seconds of that arrow hitting it that animals dead yeah lived its entire life how many years it was alive and then one moment and it's dead and then we're skinning it and then we ate it that night and the idea that someone can come up to you and be wearing leather shoes And in some way,
01:04:13.000judge you for killing and eating an animal.
01:04:15.000And I'm having the hide tanned, or the skin is being treated, so I'm going to have a rug made out of it.
01:04:27.000I'm taking advantage of every single aspect of this animal.
01:04:31.000When you pass by a restaurant, when you pass by a supermarket, every road you drive down in America, pretty much, when you go by a gas station and you see a fucking package of Slim Jims, every animal that has been involved in making those products lived a life A horrifying existence that is of unimaginable suffering in comparison to an animal that you hunt.
01:05:08.000And then, I guess on the polar opposite of that, or I don't even know, this whole trying to figure out what the heck these people think.
01:05:18.000I get people, when you killed your bear and I had that up there, people were posting messages on my Facebook saying they were going to kill my daughter and put her head on the wall.
01:05:34.000They get there, well, there's a lot of people involved in what's called the animal liberation movement, and it's so intense that there are folks that break into restaurants and steal lobsters and let them lose back in the ocean.
01:06:03.000Human beings, one of the main contributing factors to the growth and development of the human brain was the fact that we changed our diet from a plant-based diet to a meat-based diet.
01:06:44.000And by the way, they've also been proving over the last decade or so that plants have much more understanding of their environment than we ever gave them credit for.
01:06:57.000And just because they don't have the ability to communicate with us, they don't scream when you pull them out of the ground, or they don't try to get away when you go reaching for a turnip, Doesn't mean that they're not a life form that reacts to its environment the same way an animal does.
01:07:12.000When an animal, you know, turns its ears up and looks around because it thinks a predator is coming, that's a natural reaction.
01:07:54.000And we, somehow or another, want to disconnect ourselves from that or disconnect ourselves from the concept of things that are sentient, things that are aware of their environment, things they can see and hear.
01:08:07.000But, you know, not everybody wants to be disconnected because after the last podcast I was on with you, Do you know how many new bow hunters listened to what we talked about, listened to the connection we talked about, and never had thought about bow hunting, never had shot a bow,
01:08:24.000and all of a sudden they were at their pro shop, or they wanted to learn more.
01:08:27.000I mean, I've had guys who said, I think it was yesterday, this guy sent me some messages, he goes, I hadn't heard of you before Joe's podcast.
01:08:36.000He goes, and I sat one night and watched every one of your videos.
01:08:41.000So there are people who are disconnected, but there are people who, I guess, have been inspired by talking about this and talking about, you know...
01:08:51.000The type of hunting and the connection we have and want that same thing.
01:08:56.000And want to have something to train for and want to have a purpose.
01:09:25.000When your day-to-day existence is just doing something that you don't enjoy and then coming home and resting and getting ready to do it again...
01:10:03.000But it doesn't mean we're less evolved.
01:10:05.000This is what people have to get into their mind.
01:10:09.000Release all your preconceived notions of what a hunter is, these rednecks just out there torturing animals, these psychopaths.
01:10:16.000Release all those preconceived notions and take in the concept of wild, of what wild is.
01:10:24.000Just to be out in nature and watch all these things run around, watch animals chase after each other, watch Watch this natural process that gives zero fucks if you're there or not there.
01:10:39.000And then realize that this can be your source of sustenance.
01:10:43.000You can live in that world for brief moments in time, train for it, prepare for it, bring back that protein, and live.
01:11:53.000I'm going to sell something like I've sold bows, highest bidder type thing.
01:11:57.000Hunters are the most generous, heartfelt people.
01:12:00.000I mean, that's basically all my followers are hunters.
01:12:03.000And they are so giving and so caring and loving of somebody they've never met.
01:12:11.000They've just learned about maybe, you know...
01:12:13.000From my website or from whatever else and I don't know I just I have a heart I mean it's just amazing to me just the heart hunters have and people are so far so wrong on I guess what what moves us what's important to us because I see people giving thousands of dollars to help somebody they've never met.
01:12:36.000Well, the amount of negativity that you get from non-hunters in comparison to the amount of negativity and hate you get from hunters, it's hugely disproportionate.
01:12:46.000What you talked about, about being respectful, about how when you disagree with someone on Twitter, you don't say, fuck off, you fucking dummy, and you don't get involved in any of these negative exchanges.
01:12:58.000Because of that you attract this very positive following and I've been to your Facebook page and I've read the comments when you put something up on Instagram and it's an incredibly positive group of people.
01:13:12.000Incredibly positive and also people that recognize the rewards of this lifestyle and recognize the negative impact or the negative opinion that a lot of people who don't understand it have and so they feel connected with each other in sort of solidarity Against what they perceive to be these ignorant people that judge them.
01:13:48.000And then just takes away from the whole point.
01:13:50.000Maybe I'm living or created this fantasy land of positivity by doing that, but that's fine because it helps me.
01:13:58.000I see other people at Impacts, and I guess the closest thing to negativity that I've done lately is just this slogan I have on my new shirt.
01:15:31.000Because that guy will fly into somewhere at 4 o'clock in the morning, and he's at the gym at 5. And he takes pictures, and he's fucking killing it every day.
01:16:10.000and hard work is a magical ingredient if you can if you could apply that magical ingredient to almost everything in life and hard work also comes with hard thinking hard work everybody likes to think of as being like oh you just grunt and put in the effort no hard work is also preparation thought process understanding and that is a big part of hunting as well It's not just about,
01:16:35.000you know, oh, it's really hard to get up that hill, get to that 7,000 feet elevation where those elk are.
01:16:41.000No, you've got to understand the wind.
01:16:43.000You've got to understand the behavior of these animals.
01:16:45.000You've got to understand what's going on in the rut.
01:16:50.000Are you going to attract a bull by pretending to be a cow, which he wants to have sex with, or are you going to be a bull, which he wants to challenge?
01:16:59.000And you've got to know what to do what and what to do when.
01:17:03.000I'm amazed at how much knowledge is involved in hunting and how much information.
01:17:09.000Steve Rinella is a goddamn encyclopedia.
01:17:43.000He's really opened my eyes to how much information is involved in hunting.
01:17:47.000I mean, how much knowledge, how much you have to know, especially, you know, he's doing it all year round, so he's constantly aware of the cycles, the breeding, mating, food patterns, all the different things that you have to pay attention to about each individual animal.
01:18:02.000There's just a lot going on there, man.
01:18:44.000What it is, is people that really get into something that is ultimately very rewarding.
01:18:49.000And I think it's ultimately very rewarding to accomplish something that's difficult to do.
01:18:54.000And it's something that's missing from a lot of people's lives.
01:18:57.000A lot of people are doing something that's easy to do, and they're looking to take coffee breaks, and they're looking to take a nice long lunch break, and they're looking to take a newspaper into the john when they take a shit because nobody can say anything.
01:19:07.000Hey, I've got to go to the bathroom, man.
01:19:29.000Hey, so this is one thing I forgot to ask last time.
01:19:33.000So my kids are big, typical, regular sports fans, like NFL. Of course, I like MMA. I like UFC. So they're like, Dad, do you think a UFC fighter, say somebody like Chad Mendes,
01:19:48.000who's fighting tomorrow for the title, Love Chad.
01:22:19.000And whenever I used to roll with him, I used to call it riding the bull.
01:22:22.000Because I'm like, alright, gotta go ride the bull.
01:22:24.000Because every time I'd get on top of him, well, any time we'd scramble, I would have to initially let him get on top, because he's just too goddamn big for me to take him down.
01:22:34.000So I'd let him get on top, and then I'd have to sweep him, and then I'd eventually ride him, and then I'd eventually catch him.
01:24:00.000But Jake, although Jake is fairly elite, he was cut from the UFC. Now he's fighting in a small organization because he couldn't beat the best of the best guys.
01:24:10.000He just lost recently to Hector Lombard.
01:24:12.000Who knows how much better Jake would be if he existed on a diet of black bear and elk?
01:27:18.000That's what guys say to me because, you know, I run, basically I do The same thing every single day, my training.
01:27:23.000And they say, you know, what are you going to do in 40 years when you still want to hunt but you won't be able to hunt because you've been running every day and wearing out your joints?
01:27:31.000I'm like, I don't know if I'm going to be alive tomorrow, let alone 40 years from now.
01:27:36.000I'm going to worry about tomorrow, tomorrow, and today I'm going to get my best.
01:27:40.000Well, people are always looking for some negative, man.
01:27:42.000They're always looking for something they could point at you that makes you less than them or makes you less than you think you are.
01:28:55.000And that was another thing that I had to learn that I thought was really interesting.
01:28:59.000The spine of the arrow, how stiff the arrow is, how many grains the arrow weighs in relationship to the bow, in relationship to the speed of the arrow.
01:29:08.000Then you have to calculate all that and put out a sight tape.
01:29:56.000So we know when we go out, especially because I'm at the bow rack, I paper tune my bows.
01:30:02.000We put it in the hooter shooter, which is a machine that shoots your bow for you to tell you whether the bow is set up correctly or there's some human error involved.
01:30:11.000So basically at the end of the day, when we go hunting, we know the bow is at...
01:30:16.000The top of its capability and any error is us.
01:30:20.000So then, if I can control my errors, the error is going to go right where it's supposed to go.
01:31:01.000And there's a giant difference between that and what you think of as a bow and arrow that, like from the Boy Scout days, you know, when you would shoot those little shitty recurve bows, like 20-pound pull or whatever it was.
01:31:12.000They just don't have the kind of impact that these bows have with the cams and the technology and the way they engineer these risers.
01:31:20.000I mean, these things are incredible pieces of work and engineering.
01:31:24.000Well, and I, let's see, what did I just get?
01:32:42.000I like to see people working, so I'll say, hey, I went to Alaska, you know, and I said, I did the Bass Pro Shop Grand Opening in Anchorage, and I said, let's go run some mountains up there.
01:32:53.000So I met up with a couple guys, did two different runs, and we hammered out some tough mountain runs, and it's just...
01:33:01.000It was soaking wet, freezing, and never felt more alive.
01:33:26.000When we got there, it was almost like they were all old buddies that were hanging out together, and then slowly I started piecing together.
01:34:01.000Hunting just seems to do that to people.
01:34:03.000I mean, I don't know about you, but when I'm somewhere, I don't care where, here, whatever town I'm in, when I see somebody in camo, I'm like looking at them, wondering if, you know, hey, do you want to talk about hunting?
01:34:22.000I had a Hoyt hat on, and I was at the airport, and this old dude sat next to me, and he just plopped down right next to me, and he goes, how long you been bow hunting?
01:34:32.000He had a Lone Star belt buckle on, and he started just telling me stories about hunting for elk and hunting for this and that and bow hunting.
01:34:40.000He does all kinds of hunting, but he does a lot of bow hunting, too.
01:34:44.000He just plopped down next to me and just started talking, and we had like a half an hour conversation.
01:34:48.000Well, nowadays, that old school dude, that's awesome.
01:34:53.000Nowadays, the young guys or the guys that seem, I don't know, I'm in communication with, They're so passionate about new bows and technology, like you mentioned.
01:35:20.000And so Hoyt and all these other companies, Bowtech, they have this...
01:35:25.000It's going to come out on the 15th, and they'll give teasers, and people are just on all these forums trying to guess what's going to be different, what the new technology is going to be.
01:35:35.000And it's just so fun, and people are so passionate about it.
01:35:52.000The cable roller, how that's set up is it's going to help you tune your bow because there's no torque in that one.
01:36:02.000Normally when you pull your string back and that cable, there's a lot of tension, a lot of torque right there typically.
01:36:09.000Back in the old school days, that would just kind of slide on a bar.
01:36:13.000Hoyt has come up with this system, the anti-torquing technology, where there's no torque on that.
01:36:19.000And how they've designed the riser, it just helps all the tuning issues, the performance of the bow, the anti-torquing is one part of it, the riser design is another part of it.
01:36:30.000All the little tweaks they make, it's just making a...
01:36:35.000It's a sweeter, smoother shooting bow that tunes up quicker.
01:36:38.000And what that does is, you talked about your bear, how that arrow flew straight, blew right through there.
01:36:45.000For that to happen, that arrow has to be just flying perfect.
01:37:25.000So the taller that is, the quicker the arrow is off the string.
01:37:31.000So that means you as a shooter have less impact on it being imperfect.
01:37:35.000The shorter it is, it's going to be on that string longer, longer, longer, and then it finally comes off right when it gets close to your hand and that riser there.
01:37:43.000And so because it's propelled for longer, it's going to be faster.
01:37:47.000But you also have more time to drop your bow arm.
01:37:51.000or do or flinch or do whatever wrist torque this or that and so it's generally a less accurate arrow so my my new bow is a little slower but it's got a taller brace height so meaning it's more forgiving Three feet is pretty nominal.
01:38:39.000Well, you're an expert archer, so one of the things I've learned from watching your videos is I've seen your old...
01:38:45.000Spider turbo, and then you went from that to the carbon spider turbo, and see the difference in the amount of feet per second, how smooth it feels.
01:38:53.000You could see in your own videos the progression of the technology, which is really kind of cool.
01:38:59.000Yeah, what I've noticed, even those old bows, those would kill.
01:39:04.000Those would probably get the job done probably 90% of the time, but it's those little things.
01:39:11.000It's that 10% that's going to Make the difference.
01:39:14.000You know, is it going to be a lethal shot or is it going to be just a wound, a flesh wound?
01:40:03.000At that slam dunk range or what I would consider slam dunk, 30, 40 yards, I'm going to be able to make that shot because technique-wise, I know I'm dialed in.
01:40:12.000I know my Hoyt's shooting money because it's tuned perfectly, and so that's what's happened.
01:40:18.000I mean, I killed those bulls this year.
01:40:57.000But it's just the amount of time you put in and the focus and the discipline and just the knowledge that you've accumulated after all these years.
01:41:06.000And that's one of the things that's so attractive about it is that it's not something that's easy.
01:41:10.000I thought you were going to say attractive about me.
01:41:30.000I watch videos online now of archery competitions where guys are just shooting at a piece of paper 40 yards away, and when it goes in that bullseye, everybody cheers, and there's something really satisfying about it.
01:48:01.000You know what was shooting a bow like we talked about just that the fascination behind it is when I was in Tanzania those guys You know, the natives, they had who knows what type of bows they've seen.
01:48:13.000So we're setting up a lion bait there and had like half a buffalo hanging.
01:48:18.000And I'd put a little yellow leaf there and I'd get back 40 yards.
01:48:22.000I want to see, you know, if a lion was here, where would my arrow hit?
01:48:34.000So I'd draw back, shoot, You know, hit the leaf, and they would just be like, big smiles on their face, just watching that arrow, just like, couldn't believe that arrow, just whack!
01:48:45.000And it just, it was, they just wanted to look at it, and I'd give them the arrow and the bow, and they'd just be holding it, thinking, like it was some, like, witchcraft.
01:49:27.000Some of them are, like Rashidi, who I mentioned, he's what they call a tracker.
01:49:33.000And so what they do is they look at the tracks of the animals, and they can look at them, and they can tell you whether that track was from a few hours ago, this morning, last night, or two days ago.
01:50:05.000And then when you hit an animal, if there's a blood trail, I learned so much from those guys.
01:50:12.000And I would ask, What are you looking at?
01:50:16.000What's telling you that that's, you know, this age, you know, and it's just grains of sand that has fallen in off the edge, just things like that.
01:50:23.000So, you know, I think they've probably killed a lot less than they've hunted, if that makes sense.
01:51:22.000I heard stories from them over there about the lions would come into villages, and if you didn't act afraid of them, they wouldn't hurt you.
01:52:25.000But he knew I was there the whole time.
01:52:29.000So, they're not like a deer or an elk that's just going to take off.
01:52:33.000They're like, the thing about it is, if you get too close and you make that shot with an arrow, he's probably going to get you before he's dead.
01:56:03.000The video, we'll play the video of you shooting this bear, the one that caused all the controversy.
01:56:09.000But one of the things that's as shocking about it is not just the arrow going through the bear, it's how fast the bear runs once it gets hit.
01:56:19.000It's like, jeez, that's like some Usain Bolt shit.
01:57:54.000You're not bringing it home to feed your family.
01:57:56.000They have very rigid ideas about what you should and shouldn't do with a mammal as opposed to what you should and shouldn't do with a fish.
01:58:05.000Look at these swamp people shows where they go and they're shooting 500 fucking alligator a season.
02:03:57.000But what they do is they go in what they call the tall grass, which is about 10 foot high grass.
02:04:02.000And so you're on blood, and those buffalo will go in there, do a little button hook, and as you're blood trailing them, if they're not mortally wounded, like dead-dead, You'll be trailing that blood trail, and because they did that button hook, they're sitting there waiting,
02:04:20.000And so they kill people every year in Africa, Cape Buffalo do.
02:04:26.000And it's tough animals, but with the bow, I'm not saying it was an easy kill because they're very tough, but it was way less dramatic, way...
02:05:26.000Like on the Muzzy Trocar, it has a chiseled tip.
02:05:30.000And so that has to push through until you get to the blades.
02:05:33.000And you need a 1,000-grain arrow with...
02:05:35.000With a two-blade broadhead that doesn't have to open that hole before it gets in.
02:05:41.000So, the point is, neither one was conducive to killing a hippo, but I measured penetration, and the carbon spider with the smaller diameter injection shaft that we shoot from Easton penetrated as much as the heavier full metal jacket dangerous game shaft.
02:05:58.000And so, I decided, well, I'm just going to go with the carbon spider because I had more confidence in it Longer range.
02:06:05.000And those animals were so difficult to get up on because they're living amongst hyenas and lions and they're hunted every single day.
02:11:17.000So, what I say, you know, turkey hunters out there, like, hey, if you're passionate about it, it's awesome.
02:11:23.000But what I always have said is, you know, the best thing that's going to happen on a turkey hunt is you'll kill a turkey, and that's not that good.
02:11:30.000What about, like, bird hunting, like duck hunting and pheasant hunting, that kind of stuff?
02:14:53.000I mean, California's just so goofy with some of their laws.
02:14:56.000And again, this is not like a rational approach that's based on Real fish and game people that have been doing this and calculating numbers and taking accurate assessments and audits of the area.
02:15:09.000This is all done by people who really don't want anybody hunting at all.
02:17:07.000What other animals are there that are sort of underrated hunting animals?
02:17:12.000Well, they always say the blacktail deer back home in Oregon, those are because a lot of the country, you know, blacktail are only in western Oregon, western Washington up in British Columbia a little bit, and then down, they're down here in California.
02:17:28.000But in Oregon, it's like more rainforest, so it's very dense, very dark.
02:17:33.000Those big bucks, basically they're nocturnal all year, except for when they start breeding, and even during the rut, still very tough to, They don't pattern like a whitetail, so to speak.
02:17:46.000A lot of guys kill them because they see these bucks on trail cameras, and they know they're coming, and they wait for the wind to be right, the prevailing winds, and then they set in their tree stand, and then that buck hopefully comes by, and it's patternable.
02:17:59.000With blacktail, the legend is they're not as patternable, and I would buy into that.
02:18:07.000And so killing a big blacktail isn't on top of anybody's bucket list really or very many people, but it's a very difficult, very tough trophy.
02:18:14.000You know, all this hunting talk that we've had in the two podcasts, it always leads to people getting excited about it, but beginning the hunting process is extremely difficult.
02:18:27.000Yeah, I think that that's something, that's a gap that we would really, a lot of people would be really well served if we could figure out how to bridge it.
02:18:35.000And I've talked to Ranella about this, and we've talked about possibly setting up a first-timers camp where you would take people to a game-rich environment, like maybe, say, a white-tailed deer place where you know there's a lot of white...
02:18:49.000He won't have anything to do with high fence hunting, which is very admirable.
02:18:56.000Something along those lines where you're going to a very game-rich environment and he'll set it up for you, bring it to a range first, really get you to understand rifle safety, gun safety, make sure you really truly understand how to squeeze a trigger,
02:19:12.000how to stay down on a shot, and then We're good to go.
02:20:52.000Figuring out some way to set something up.
02:20:54.000Because I've had so many people email me.
02:20:56.000I've had a lot of people tweet me and send me Facebook messages saying that they got into hunting because of our podcast, because of the podcast with Rinella, which is great.
02:21:59.000And then it just elongates that learning curve.
02:22:01.000So I would love to take some first-time hunter and sit there with them just like with you and just, you know, I know, you know, I'm not saying I have all the answers or whatever.
02:24:35.000So once, I said, once we decide, or once you decide that's going to be a bear you're going to shoot, your emotions are probably going to get going.
02:24:42.000Because it'd been from just being, just kind of enjoying it, being close, or just kind of that moment, to all of a sudden, now I'm going to kill an animal.
02:25:35.000And so when we can talk about things like the experience of, okay, now I'm going to kill the bear, now it's time to get it done, and you can kind of anticipate what that's going to feel like, you're just going to be that much more deadly, more lethal.
02:25:54.000One thing is, I was in the gym the other day, and this guy was telling me, he's like, he has one of my old bows, just from years ago.
02:26:03.000And he's like, he goes, Cam, he goes, I almost got a bull.
02:26:09.000He's like, 35 yards, he come in, he's bugling, and I had your bow, and I'm standing there watching him, he's 35 yards, and he's right there, and he goes, and I was shaking so bad, he goes, I don't even know how I could have shot it.
02:26:25.000So that's where it is, is in that moment, shaking, but still, okay, I need to be in control and I need to do everything that I practice and make that shot.
02:26:35.000A lot of people get that shaking and then they never get to the other part.
02:26:43.000Well, controlling emotions is very difficult, and almost anything you do that's important to you is going to come with a surge of adrenaline or a surge of nerves, of anxiety.
02:26:54.000And it's just about maintaining your breathing and staying calm.
02:26:58.000And there was definitely, for me, a big difference between, like, that's the bear.