In this episode of the Joe Rogan Experience, I sit down with Katie Bowman to talk about living off the wild in the Pacific Northwest. Katie grew up near Seattle, WA and has been living in the wild her whole life. She's a naturalist, an eco-prepper, and a self-taught cook. She and I talk about what it's like to live off the grid, and how she's found a way to survive in the middle of nowhere. I think you're going to love it! If you're interested in learning more about Katie and her work, check out her website, Anchor.co/AlignedandWell. Katie is an amazing cook, and I know she's going to be a great addition to the show. Thanks to her for coming on the show, and for being willing to share her knowledge and wisdom with us. I hope you enjoy this episode, and if you do, please leave us a rating and review on Apple Podcasts! or wherever else you get your news and information. I'm always looking for helpful tips and tips on how to live your best life in the best way possible. Cheers! -Joe Rogan and the crew. -Jon Sorrentino and the rest of the crew at The Joe Rogans Experience Podcast. Thanks for listening and supporting the show! Timestamps: 1:00:00 - What are you worried about? 2:30 - What do you think about the drought? 3:40 - What is your biggest fear? 4:20 - What s your biggest takeaway from this week? 5: How do you plan for the next episode? 6:15 - What should you do in the future? 7: What are your biggest challenge? 8:00 9:30 11:00 | What is the worst thing you would you like to see me do next? 10:30 | What would you be doing in the next podcast? 13: What s the biggest thing you're worried about in the most important thing? 15:00 // 11: What do I need to prepare for? 16: What's your biggest superpower? 17:40 | How do I want to be prepared for the future of the next 50 years? 18:30 // 15:40 19:20 22:20 | What kind of food I m going to eat?
00:00:39.000I didn't want to talk to you too much before the show because we were talking about something that I'm very interested in, about how you live in Washington State.
00:00:45.000You found some clever area where it's in Washington, but it's not rainy every day.
00:01:25.000I'm not really concerned with it, but it kind of goes hand in hand with what I teach about natural movement.
00:01:31.000I'm trying to put back these isolated pieces of how you eat and how you move and how you think and where you spend your time and even where you spend your money of going, well, if we all just kind of go spend a little bit more time out in nature, but I mean more than the park.
00:02:03.000So what if our food acquisition is our movement, is our teaching our kids, is our family time, is everything, and it's the same hunk of time, and we're just out there in the wild.
00:02:17.000You're in an area that's particularly dense with wilderness, with trees, with animals, and that whole area, the Pacific Northwest, it's such a...
00:02:27.000We were talking about how you come to California and everything's so dry.
00:03:09.000But anyway, when we went up there, like when you're wandering around through the forest up there, the thing that is so shocking is how many animals there are and how much life there is.
00:03:18.000You see elk crap everywhere and all these birds and rodents and just so many So much variety of life up there.
00:03:28.000Underneath every footprint, there's like one or two hundred organisms living in every footprint that you take there because it's just so deep.
00:03:52.000Not like we do here, you know, in California.
00:03:54.000We need 11 trillion gallons of water just to balance out what's been lost over the last three years.
00:03:59.000Yeah, and even more, I guess, alarming to me is less the total water, but the amount of organization amongst people it takes to get it here.
00:04:11.000That's always what I was worried about failing here.
00:04:19.000The infrastructure, the delivery system, because none of it is actually here.
00:04:23.000Like, I'm just thinking of something like a power outage where so much of your water is dependent on it being cleaned and all of that is...
00:04:31.000Depends on energy that requires a bunch of people like my in-laws who live here in California their house has been without power for like two weeks and they live in an area of Orange County and they had to bring a generator they brought a generator into a neighborhood because they're like well it's we gotta dig for it and frankly we don't have the manpower right now and like when I start here and stuff like that that's when I flee to the Pacific Northwest.
00:04:55.000So there's an issue with their lines, the power lines are down or something like that, and so they have to dig for the lines to put them back up?
00:05:02.000So they're living like they're camping for two weeks.
00:05:17.000I mean, I have two and a half acres, but there are some neighbors, you know, but it's not...
00:05:26.000Within the whole town the whole town's pretty small and you can get to a place to see nobody You know within 10 minutes Which I like.
00:05:35.000Yeah, that is nice if you want to get to nobody in 10 minutes But I find that like when you're in small towns and small areas the real issue is finding a cool small town Yeah with a good sensibility a nice intelligent small town because you can find some small towns like if you drive a From Southern California up to Northern California,
00:05:55.000you can drive through some spots where you have these giant Mitt Romney signs that are still up.
00:06:00.000And there's the, you know, like, weird religious signs and these strange, really sketchy communities.
00:06:06.000You're like, ooh, you know, boy, you got a pretty view, but fuck these neighbors.
00:06:26.000But a lot of that business has shut down as people are buying stuff from overseas.
00:06:30.000And then, of course, as the wood is not being able to be replenished as fast as they've been taking it down.
00:06:36.000So I think in Sunset Magazine, somebody wrote an article about this town that you could buy a few acres and that it was in this What they call a rain shadow.
00:08:24.000I took a photograph of an elk standing in front of a no hunting sign.
00:08:29.000Because it was like right when we were driving, these elk were just wandering across the road and they were just standing in front of this no hunting sign.
00:10:22.000Well, you'd be amazed at some areas that you can hunt in.
00:10:25.000There's an area called Evergreen, Colorado, and one of the issues that they have is the local laws allow you to essentially hunt in your backyard.
00:10:34.000If you have more than X amount of land, it's not much.
00:10:37.000It's like two acres or something like that.
00:10:39.000I might be butchering this law, but I remember there was some sort of an issue online with people debating it because people were firing off guns in their backyard, like shooting at elk and deer.
00:10:51.000And they're like, this is kind of fucked up.
00:10:55.000My swing set is 100 yards to the right.
00:11:00.000So, but they have so many animals up there.
00:11:02.000It's such a rich abundance of animals and the people that rely on them for a large part of their food, you know, moderate income or lower income families.
00:11:10.000If they get an elk, like, boy, that is a year's worth of meat.
00:11:43.000I actually went, we were just going down, you know, there was a dam up there for a really long time, like a hundred years that they've just taken down.
00:12:23.000I mean, the thing was, I don't know, a foot and a half more.
00:12:26.000It was 15 pounds and he just picked it right up and he was like, here's where the eggs are.
00:12:30.000And then he, then it turned out to be a male and he just grabbed it and he just No, because they're spawning.
00:12:49.000Oh, so when they're spawning, they just rub up against anything?
00:12:52.000Well, they're just, when they're spawning, you know, they're trying to get to kind of shallow water, so a lot of them are just kind of, you know, they have to make it up through the river, even as the river changes in terms of volume, so where it's a little low, they just kind of walk up.
00:13:21.000He said the females would be way more scratched up.
00:13:23.000You can tell during spawning season, a male versus a female, because the female is just really desperately trying to get her eggs to some place, and I guess the male will just drop his load kind of wherever.
00:13:41.000And what I find interesting is, so salmon that they're raising in, whatever they call it, like in the fisheries, you know, in the hatcheries, they identify them because they remove what they will call like a vestigular fin.
00:13:59.000So that they can recognize which ones are wild and which ones are introduced.
00:14:04.000And I was talking to some biologists and Part of a lot of stuff that I do is kind of redefining what's actually vestidular and what's just, we don't know what it is, so it must, you know, not be necessary anymore.
00:14:16.000And he said, well, it's interesting because he was explaining it's kind of like the appendix of the fish.
00:14:39.000It still is harboring, I can't remember exactly what it is.
00:14:44.000It's harboring some sort of bacteria depending on I'm going to have to look it up a little bit more.
00:14:53.000But he said it's interesting that you say that because they're wondering why these fish don't do really, really well.
00:15:00.000So perhaps it's because they're removing the fin.
00:15:03.000And as I did a little bit more research on that fin, that fin in particular deals with assisting swimming through very particular types of turbulence.
00:15:11.000And so it's not something that you use 100% of the time, but it's used over the lifetime of a salmon.
00:15:18.000Can't they just put a tag on that thing instead of cutting it off?
00:15:54.000And alignment being a component of that.
00:15:57.000But I would say that the reason we moved up there is we were just unable to execute our life the way that we wanted here.
00:16:05.000There's a physical blockage to moving in the way that we need to move.
00:16:11.000And I was like, well, the only way to remove that blockage is to take ourselves away from the environment that's limiting this way of moving, which is larger than it sounds.
00:16:22.000It's not like, you know, make sure you get these seven It's very broad and it has to do with the loads that your body experiences and that goes for light and noise and all the different ways your cells are deformed by your habitat.
00:16:40.000When I talk about movement, I really liken the way that we move to be similar to Animals that are in zoos.
00:16:48.000Like if you ever go to a zoo and check out that kind of unfortunate thing, you'll see these animals and they have movement.
00:16:55.000You know, they have cages or habitats designed for them, but the way that they use them is pretty narrow and it goes for us as well.
00:17:05.000I just wanted less people, more space, less rules, less noise, more water.
00:17:12.000Yeah, and when you say like we're being deformed like in what way?
00:17:18.000Well in the book the analogy that I use because I think it's easiest to understand is if you look at Orcas in a place like SeaWorld, have you seen their folded over fin?
00:17:29.000That's the kind of deformation that I'm talking about.
00:17:31.000I'm talking about like you are shaped really by the forces that you experience all the time.
00:17:37.000Your mechanical environment is 100% of the time and so the resultant shape of your body Is based on this exposure in the same way that this orca was missing input.
00:17:50.000It was missing mechanical input and it was exposed to high levels of mechanical input that, you know, gets this resultant shape.
00:17:59.000You know, and the difference between with the orca is when you look at an orca, it's like clearly it's not supposed to be at SeaWorld and clearly that shape doesn't seem conducive to swimming.
00:18:08.000You know, at least in a straight line.
00:18:10.000So we don't see that in ourselves very well, though, because we are the orca in the tank, and everyone else is in the tank with us.
00:18:18.000So it's really hard to see how you would have been shaped, and it's really hard to imagine what the resultant shape of us would be culturally if there were more examples of people who moved in drastically different ways, which there are not.
00:18:33.000Well, I know posture is a big issue with Americans.
00:18:36.000It's a big issue with anybody in all parts of the world that have to sit at desks all the time.
00:18:41.000You know that expression, sitting is the new smoking.
00:18:44.000We've tried really hard in this place to change that up.
00:18:47.000We've got these desks or these chairs from Ergo Depot.
00:19:06.000But if I sit in something like that and I kind of have that hunch thing that you get from a chair, by the end of the show, I just get stiff in my back.
00:19:16.000So something that forces you to sit erect, you realize how few of us actually do that and how many people are like, Have that weird hunch spine thing going on which constantly puts pressure on your spine and I never thought anything of that until I started doing this fucking podcast and I'm like sitting down all the time all day and it just it really puts into perspective how many people are doing it not like me for three hours a day they're doing eight nine ten hours a day even more staring at computers all day
00:19:46.000everyone's going blind early right you know I'm done my my vision sucks it used to be really good but now I need I need reading glasses to read stuff that's close up.
00:19:56.000And I know it has something to do with age, but it definitely has something to do with staring at monitors, too.
00:20:05.000You know, casts, when you break your arm, those are really easy to see.
00:20:09.000There's like a physical structure that you can't move your arm.
00:20:12.000It's really harder to see these invisible casts.
00:20:15.000So the distance of something from your eye is a cast upon the lens.
00:20:21.000So when you look at something, what allows you to focus on that is the distance that you're looking at, your mind, your musculature of the eye will change the shape of your lens so that that distance is what you're looking at.
00:20:35.000When you want to see something farther, You look up and you look at it and then these muscles, these ciliary muscles in the eye will change the lens shape of the eye and allow you to focus that to that distance.
00:20:46.000But humans, modern humans in the places where we live, very rarely look beyond 20 feet.
00:20:55.000I mean, you're not looking at anything.
00:20:57.000I mean, so like you can say that it's the screen because the screen is two feet away and there's certainly a much greater frequency of screen use.
00:21:05.000Like by the time you look at your iPod or your iPhone and you're looking at your computer and doing whatever work that's on that, that number has gone up.
00:21:13.000But what's always been high is that you don't see much beyond the walls of your house.
00:21:19.000So that's another reason you don't have the ability to look very far.
00:21:24.000Indoors does not allow you to look very far.
00:21:26.000And so right now with that vision, with kind of understanding, like, why is myopia, which is that nearsightedness, coming up with such great frequency?
00:21:33.000There used to be one kid in school with glasses, right?
00:21:37.000And now there are You have one third of the classroom who can't see at ages six and seven.
00:21:44.000Kids are starting now to be put in glasses like in four and five years old because they've been looking.
00:21:49.000They don't even have outdoor playtime.
00:21:50.000You know, they're not even going outside.
00:21:52.000And so they know that outdoor time Is a factor in those that have less myopia.
00:22:04.000And I wrote a piece about this that there's a difference between going outside.
00:22:09.000So they're like, is it the vitamin D? Is it the light exposure?
00:22:11.000But they were able to figure out by isolation that it wasn't that.
00:22:15.000And so then my contribution is, well, what about distance looking?
00:22:19.000That distance looking itself is a different variable in something that you don't, it's not a load to the eye that we're very experienced with.
00:22:27.000But if you had to, again, go out and get your food and you were moving around, it's not just that you're outside more, it's that you need to be able to see things kind of far away.
00:22:36.000If you've ever gone hunting, hunting is, especially if you're doing like spot and stalk type hunting, being able to look at long distances and seeing and spotting animals, you know, before you make your way over there, that's a skill.
00:22:48.000To be able to look 30 or 40 or 60 feet to the top of a tree to kind of see what's up in there.
00:22:54.000It's a part of your workout that you're missing, so to speak.
00:22:58.000You're not cross-training your eyes with enough types of exercise.
00:23:01.000You do two feet and you do however far your television is and then maybe the bumper of the car in front of you.
00:23:08.000I mean, we're not distance lookers at all anymore.
00:23:10.000So have ophthalmologists and optometrists, have they sort of just accepted the fact that people, their eyes are just going to go bad because this is the environment we live in, so this is just an inevitable fact of aging.
00:23:20.000And is that something that can be avoided by like spending a lot of time outdoors, looking at long distance stuff and looking at things that are 100 yards away, 500 yards away and focusing your vision on those things?
00:23:31.000Yeah, well I don't think that they want you to accept it.
00:23:33.000I mean it's not an inevitable thing, that's why they're working on the literature for it.
00:23:38.000Actual researchers in eyes are trying to find like what it is.
00:23:44.000But clearly they're like kids really do need to be outside a lot more because the shape of your the size of your eye is changing and so when the eye freezes or is cast by something near and then your eye starts growing but the lens has to stay the same size then you have this mismatch between the size of your eye and the lens and so that's why this childhood Myopia kind of starts moving with you into adulthood and you become an adult that needs glasses.
00:24:10.000So yes, they are calling for that intervention.
00:24:14.000And then there's a lot of eye exercise programs, you know, people trying to create some sort of Corrective.
00:24:21.000My recommendation is you got to get yourself near a window if you're an office worker and you have to just take an eye break.
00:24:26.000You need to look as far away as possible just to, it's like if you did a bunch of curls, bicep curls, and you never ever put your arm down.
00:24:34.000It's like you did them all and then when you were done, you tied it up there.
00:24:37.000You can imagine what the shape of the bicep would look like and the function of the elbow and the shoulder and how eventually That bicep would not just pull your lower arm up to your upper arm, but would start to pull your shoulder in towards your upper arm.
00:24:53.000First, the muscles that move the shape of the lens do that, but then the tighter they are, the more they begin to pull the whole structure of the eyeball down itself.
00:25:03.000And then you're starting to look at, well, how does that affect the pressure of the eye?
00:25:06.000And so many things that occur in the body are Mechanically sensitive.
00:25:14.000You know, all your pressures are dependent on all your pressures everywhere else.
00:25:17.000And when you start deforming the shape of structures, it does start affecting those functions that are position dependent, which is almost all of them.
00:25:26.000Sort of like when people wear a wallet in their pocket and they get bulging discs.
00:25:30.000That's a really common thing with folks.
00:25:32.000If you don't know, if you have a wallet and you put it in your back pocket, please stop doing it.
00:25:37.000I recently, I used to get mocked because I had a wallet chain because I lost my wallet twice.
00:26:25.000It's also something that really frustrated me about getting a back injury was how many people were like, well, you're going to have to get surgery.
00:26:53.000Louie Simmons, this guy from Westside Barbell in Columbus, Ohio, created this amazing machine that I have in the back now that I use almost every day.
00:27:01.000It's fantastic because it offers decompression and this incredible strengthening of the back.
00:27:06.000It's this amazing machine that as you're lifting up, you're flexing your back in this very unusual way.
00:27:15.000It's really hard to work out any other way.
00:27:17.000And then on the release, it's actually actively decompressing your spine.
00:27:22.000So it's because of guys like him, Louis Simmons is this power lifter, genius, sort of biomechanic dude who figured out he had an injury and they wanted to fuse his discs.
00:27:38.000And he fixed it through just using what he knows about exercise and the mechanics of the body and coming up with some sort of machine that would allow the decompression of that soft tissue.
00:27:51.000And that's something that I think we all have to be aware of when it comes to posture.
00:27:56.000Like, posture is a giant one with people.
00:27:58.000I had terrible posture, like most of my life, until I started getting back issues.
00:28:03.000And one of the things that I realized is even though I was healthy and strong, I was able to avoid a lot of pain that was associated with that bad posture.
00:28:11.000The bad posture was still screwing me up.
00:28:13.000And just being able to sit up straight, it feels odd when you do it.
00:28:18.000But if you do it, it's like an active exercise.
00:28:57.000The first question is to assume that there's nothing you can change about your life, that you can't move to a wonderful place and cultivate a wonderful city to live in.
00:29:05.000But right now, if you feel stuck in your job, the tendency is to make that environment better.
00:29:12.000But I always like to point out that Posture isn't something that you would be as concerned about if you were moving a lot more in general, that the resting tensions of your body would be doing all the things that, you know, we're trying to do in small blips on different machines,
00:29:29.000in posture classes, you know, in posture books, that you just got to move more too.
00:29:34.000And also, even standing up though, even if you are moving, like there's a lot of people that move and they kind of have that hunch forward thing going on.
00:29:43.000And even if you're out there doing stuff, like especially like when you're exercising, you put a tremendous amount of pressure on your back in really weird ways if you don't use proper posture, like with squats and things along those lines.
00:30:16.000So many people want to get out of this rut they're in and get there.
00:30:22.000But it seems like just the modern life that most people either have found themselves in by circumstance, by lack of understanding, whatever it is, you find yourself in this way of life,
00:30:38.000which it almost makes it It's incomprehensibly difficult to be healthy, to be fit, to have a body that functions correctly.
00:30:49.000If you're sitting in a desk all day, what are the things that people should be concentrating on?
00:30:54.000If they find themselves stuck in a work environment, you're in a cubicle, is there a way to mitigate that?
00:31:03.000I think one of the things that I'm known for most is that if you think about in terms of your exercise, a lot of people will try to figure out healthy to them is, what are you doing for exercise?
00:32:45.000You cannibalize those, which means you lose range of motion, which means even when you go to move your parts during this part of your life that you've set aside to move, which is different than the rest of your life that you've set aside to not move, you're moving less.
00:33:02.000Like, what if I told you your whole body would work better if you fix what you were putting on your feet every day?
00:33:07.000You're just going to put shoes on anyway.
00:33:09.000Like, what does it matter what they are?
00:33:11.000If you could put on a pair of shoes that allowed your whole body to function in a different way, it would be the equivalent to saying, I got this new workout, like this new cross-training piece, your workout is stale, you're not as strong as you should be or that you'd like to be for the thing that you're doing,
00:33:28.000that you can introduce whole new load spectrum to your body just by changing your shoes.
00:34:24.000It's the equivalent to nutritious food, is that there is a way to move that is nutritious to your body, and you're missing some huge nutrients.
00:34:33.000So you should wear flat shoes all the time, right?
00:39:32.000But those toe shoes, wasn't there like a class action lawsuit that said those toe shoes were bullshit?
00:39:36.000No, the class action lawsuit was that the woman who brought about the class action said that the advertising implied that all you had to do was buy the shoes, that you didn't have to figure out how to use your body differently.
00:39:49.000So it had nothing to do with how they performed.
00:40:41.000Those blades, a lot of people feel like you can actually run faster with those things on because they offer some sort of a spring that you could with just your regular feet.
00:40:52.000So if they get to that with shoes, then we've got an issue.
00:40:56.000Do you think people will be taking their own feet off just to get those to win?
00:41:26.000And you see the guy's there talking and he's, you know, having a conversation and talking about and he's using his artificial hand and his real hand to gesture.
00:41:34.000And you're like, well, they're going to get better at those.
00:41:38.000Like the old days, I went to school with this girl and she lost her arm like really early on in life and it was always, you know, everybody was always weirded out by her because she had a hook.
00:41:46.000She's a very nice girl, but she always...
00:41:47.000Like, if she had, like, this artificial hand that looked exactly like a real hand, it was just a different color.
00:41:55.000Well, how much different would people react to her then?
00:41:58.000A decade later, if she has an artificial hand that has some sort of an artificial skin component to it that actually has...
00:42:08.000I mean, they have some that allow you to pick up pieces of glass and not break them.
00:42:13.000I mean, they allow you to feel pressure, like really sensitive ones that are developing.
00:42:19.000One day they're going to get one that's better than your actual legs.
00:42:23.000So if you have these regular legs, we can give you an operation and it'll make you run like Usain Bolt.
00:42:29.000You're going to have some artificial legs.
00:42:30.000You know, it's going to go through a rehab process.
00:42:32.000You won't be able to walk for a couple weeks because we're going to cut your fucking legs off and stuff these carbon fiber jammies in there and put the joint endings in and fuse them with this new thing that we've created.
00:42:51.000Someone's going to just suck your head right out of your brain right out of your head and stuff it into this thing, and boom, you're just going to be like piloting around this crazy body.
00:43:08.000Well, I would say, I mean, I'm a biomechanist, so a lot of the colleagues that I work with are in orthopedic development and stuff that you're talking about, so it's...
00:43:18.000Kind of my territory just to see what people are coming up with.
00:43:22.000But the big thing that you can't really get around yet is that your parts are doing other parts and just moving you around.
00:43:45.000It's like kind of the same thing like you can't take an animal out of an ecosystem because all the other animals collapse without it because they're expanding out of control and something else is dying off.
00:44:10.000There's a relationship between everything else that took a really long time to establish, and when you start messing that around, you're playing clean up for the rest of your life.
00:44:20.000Now, when you think about human movement, besides the shoes that you wear, what are the other big issues that people have in how they get through this life with their body?
00:44:43.000There's a whole group of people who don't eat any fat.
00:44:45.000A lot of people who don't eat any fat as a whole category of a micronutrient.
00:44:50.000And then they're slowly introducing it back in, and they're like, I had all these health problems because I was missing fat, or maybe I didn't eat any protein, or maybe I didn't eat any animal products.
00:45:00.000You know, like they've got these big kind of voids in their diet, and then there are diseases that show up when you have some void, like vitamin C. No one even knew you needed vitamin C until you have this group of We're good to go.
00:46:26.000We don't think of movement as an input, but it's a squash.
00:46:29.000Like your cells are squashed by the way that you move and then the way that the cells express themselves, their genetic expression comes about by the mechanical environment.
00:46:41.000It's one of the important environments.
00:46:43.000And right now, for a lot of people, it's walking free.
00:46:47.000So just walking, it doesn't really have any purpose in our life any longer because you don't You don't have to walk anywhere to get anything done.
00:46:56.000But like this orca fin, you know, the way that an orca swims in the wild is what maintains its structure.
00:47:03.000There's nothing that the orca can do now with this flopped over fin.
00:47:15.000All fins soften as the Orca goes from its juvenile through its teenager to adulthood, but coupled, packaged with that is swimming in a particular way at depths where the forces are such that it maintains and shapes this structure,
00:47:34.000So we are swimming metaphorically just counterclockwise all of the time.
00:47:40.000And so our structure, our definition of fit and healthy is like the peak that this orca with the flopped over fin would ever get swimming in a circle at SeaWorld.
00:47:51.000And you can see the vast difference between any possible swimming program he can be put on there.
00:47:56.000Compared to how he would swim in the ocean, getting food every day, which is like 100 miles of swimming every day.
00:48:02.000Fast, you know, sprints when they have to get something.
00:48:05.000You know, there's mating, there's social time.
00:48:07.000There's all these things that go on in the wild.
00:48:09.000That is the necessary input for being an orca.
00:48:13.000And then you just say, well, then what necessary inputs are we missing kind of as humans?
00:48:18.000Because so much of our physiology depends on how we move and how we don't.
00:48:24.000So, to use an analogy that you used earlier, like the orca in that pool is kind of in a cast.
00:48:31.000And the atrophy of, like, my arm broke once, and I had a cast, and when I took my arm out of the cast, it was like this little shriveled up thing.
00:48:55.000The distribution of muscle mass that you see is just compared to people who don't do those particular things that you do to get that muscle mass.
00:49:02.000But there is a whole other mass distribution that would come about were you to do other things.
00:49:09.000And so I'm mostly concerned with What I work on most are human diseases and basic human functions.
00:49:17.000What I'm most interested in is getting pregnant, maintaining your delivery, and then delivering this child.
00:49:25.000We're having some serious fertility and delivery problems, which are You know, like, the level one for a species, like, the survival of a species.
00:49:32.000Like, what do you mean people can't get pregnant or they can't birth their children anymore?
00:49:37.000Like, they need special equipment and medical intervention.
00:49:39.000Like, these are big signs for a species that...
00:49:42.000The same thing happens in zoos, right?
00:49:44.000Like, animals don't breed well in zoos because they are missing things.
00:49:48.000And so it's the same thing that we're experiencing.
00:50:04.000There's isolation, not just the animal itself from its herd or its tribe, but then from other animals.
00:50:12.000Again, this is a big system, and And zoo research is really interesting because it's covering everything.
00:50:17.000Like, what happens when you put a zoo in a city, you know, and have light?
00:50:21.000You've got light going on all of the time, so there's constant What they call night lighting, so light beyond the sun.
00:50:30.000And then there's metal noises, the loud clanging, plus there's all these biological cues that if you ever go camping, you know, you hear the bugs.
00:50:38.000The bugs let you know, the birds let you know where everything else is, and that there are cultures who understand, who have this input of noise.
00:50:48.000And from a scientific perspective, you know, there's like these things, all of the data that we have on humans, Really comes from the last maybe like 60 to 100 years and so there's like these basic in psychology tests like you've probably seen them where they've got the arrows the outside arrows point outward on the tips and then on the other tip of the other arrow they point inwards like which line is longer and it's kind of an optical illusion and you get it wrong like everyone says that the arrows that point in is longer or whatever.
00:51:17.000And it was like, so this is how the human brain works.
00:51:32.000It's just poor skill when we look at it.
00:51:34.000So there are all of these hypotheses on humans are studying College-aged humans, like you're looking at orcas with floppy fins and then are just making all these judgments on whales.
00:51:48.000And so with this realization that so much of our, like your human physiology textbook, that's not human physiology.
00:51:56.000That shape that you're looking at of a skeleton, that's...
00:52:00.000That's modern guy who's worn shoes his whole life and walked on flat and level.
00:52:04.000Flat and level ground, that's another cast.
00:52:07.000Like, flat and level is the most weird, abnormal texture for you to ever walk on, and yet you've probably only walked on flat and level for like 99% of your life.
00:52:17.000Your ankle joint has a different shape than someone who has walked in the wilderness their whole entire life because they use more parts just to get walking done.
00:53:10.000Like, you could do all kinds of crazy workouts and crossfit your brains out, but then you go up these hills all day, and you're fucking tired.
00:53:18.000And by the end of the day, you're starving.
00:53:46.000The only variable that we have less to play with is like intensity.
00:53:50.000Like, it's like, well, I'm walking on this, I'll have to go faster, I'll have to go harder, because that's the only thing that's left to respond to.
00:53:58.000Like, that's the thing with casts, is if you've removed any other movement that would allow you to do any sort of cross-training or use new parts in different ways, then all you have left to do is the same thing, harder or faster.
00:54:10.000But yeah, texture, for people who study, you know, the human kinetic chain, like things like walking and Like the foot skin, like you're going up hills in shoes probably, but if you didn't have shoes on, that first level of traction would be at the skin,
00:54:26.000which means your skin has to be strong enough to carry the load of your body.
00:54:31.000Your hands, you know, people do a ton of work with their upper body, but they won't actually bring the hand skin along.
00:54:38.000To the strength of the rest of their body because everything's a bar, right?
00:54:41.000It's like this flat uniform level, never occur in nature bar as opposed to picking up things with texture.
00:54:47.000In nature, there's texture that kind of bite in the skin and then your skin strengthens and then your arms are stronger because that first level of carrying or picking up or hauling out or doing anything is traction.
00:54:59.000Traction between you and the earth, human and the earth, animal and the earth, whether it's a hand or foot.
00:55:04.000Yeah, one thing I've never understood is, I mean, I understand it, but I've never done it.
00:55:21.000Yeah, because what's happening is they can't get any stronger to carry that because, again, it's this limited flat and round thing.
00:55:31.000Like, you know, you can pick up your...
00:55:33.000Kettlebell or whatever, but as it's getting heavier, it's the same handle.
00:55:36.000So there's parts of you that are left out of getting stronger because the environment is repetitive.
00:55:43.000So if you go out and hang from a tree, if you were holding on to something that kind of bit in a little bit, then you would be able to Carry with your hands whatever you are also able to carry with for the rest of the body.
00:55:55.000There's got to be some sort of cross training for the hands.
00:56:36.000Pick up logs, pick up some rocks or something, or at least haul yourself up in a tree every now and then instead of on a chin-up bar like in a gym.
00:57:14.000Like sometimes he throws it in his backpack.
00:57:16.000He has like one of those big oversized Tenzing backpacks like with all the straps on it that you would use for like carrying game out of the woods.
00:57:27.000And to train his body to carry heavy loads, he just takes this 135 pound rock, throws it in his backpack and goes up hills.
00:57:34.000Or sometimes he just picks this rock up and puts it on his shoulder and goes up hills and just rotates shoulders.
00:57:40.000And I think in his eyes, like anything you do that's unusual or difficult and training your body and straining it in some way that's going to sort of mimic what he's going to have to do if he's hunting and carrying an elk out of the forest.
00:57:56.000You want to get to it as close as possible.
00:57:59.000But he's also still carrying this awkward weight and doing things in a way that makes your body like compensate and But see, that's the thing with posture, why it's a modern construct.
00:58:10.000To say that there's a right, safe way to carry a rock really means that if I'm only doing this one thing and then sitting down the rest of the time, that the only way that my whole body is going to be trained is if I do my training time symmetrically.
00:58:24.000If you were just moving all of the time kind of in nature, you would balance out naturally because you'd never encounter the same load twice, really.
00:58:44.000You know, so everyone's like, when you have kids, a lot of times your workout changes because there's just no more time anymore.
00:58:50.000It's like, well, you carry them, and then they're dynamic, and they're moving, which means it's not holding a 30 or 40-pound ball.
00:59:00.000It's a different load because their 30 and 40 pounds is distributed at their whim based on what they want to look at and where they want to go and they want to go to this side now.
01:01:47.000Like, you'll be able to tell you're right-handed or left-handed.
01:01:49.000That's how all that anthropological data just, yeah, it's bone robusticity.
01:01:52.000The size and the shape of your bone lets people know what you did with your body while you were here.
01:01:58.000Well, that's also why balancing certain exercises, like pitchers and stuff, they get imbalanced because they're always throwing with the right hand.
01:02:05.000My friend Steve Maxwell, he's worked with a lot of people that have issues with their back and stuff, and one of them was a kicker.
01:02:11.000And he fixed it all by making him kick with the left leg.
01:02:14.000He was like, you're only kicking with your right leg all the time.
01:02:21.000Like, you're loading up one side of your body constantly all day, and the other side is getting virtually no movement in the same direction.
01:02:29.000So it's just, you're going to have to start doing, and all of his problems went away.
01:02:34.000Yeah, you can't just do heavy, high loads on one side.
01:03:01.000It's easy to correct a muscle imbalance.
01:03:03.000It's like, oh, clearly you can see that there's more muscle mass on one side.
01:03:07.000The bone itself is torqued now, so that the reason that if you wind up, if you imagine winding up, there's this great need for range of motion behind you, and your body's very efficient.
01:03:21.000If you're going to keep It's challenging the muscles to get longer to stretch to that position.
01:03:26.000It will just move the bone there so that the muscles can go back to kind of their regular length.
01:03:32.000You have the same range of motion in both arms, but the range of motion is in a different location on your pitching arm because you've twisted the bone there.
01:03:42.000So that phenomenon of your bones being shaped by what you do is happening to all of us all the time.
01:03:49.000People will say, like, I have tibial torsion, you know, like in my lower leg.
01:03:51.000It's like, yes, your gait pattern has slowly wound your bones so that your foot is no longer in the same position.
01:03:58.000Plain as it once was or would have been.
01:04:01.000So you are an entirely different shape than you would have been had you been moving differently throughout your life.
01:04:06.000You're not just like more or less muscle, like in shape or out of shape.
01:05:19.000But then when you go from 5 to 15, probably all the way up to 20, then you are much more malleable than you will be after your bone.
01:05:31.000We say bone density because it's easiest to measure, but your bone shape.
01:05:35.000And all that it entails is set really for life at that point.
01:05:38.000So, you know, if you would squat, so you probably squat a lot more, at least if you're in a martial art, a lot of times there's squatting put into it.
01:05:44.000But if you take someone who's been sitting at their office, you know, using a toilet their whole entire life, their hips have never articulated to that degree that you're asking them to.
01:05:54.000And in the tradition of the martial art, the people who came up with the martial art oftentimes live an entirely different lifestyle where there are shapes that facilitate And the shape that facilitates it tends to come from the areas that create whatever the sport is that you're talking about because anthropometric dimensions are the size and the shape of your body.
01:06:16.000Sports and leverages that you create are heavily dependent on anthropometric dimensions.
01:06:22.000And so your pelvis, you might not be able to kick because your pelvis is shaped by not kicking.
01:06:28.000Like you have a not kicking pelvis because you are a non-kicker.
01:06:31.000You can't just all of a sudden start to be a kicker any more than the pitcher can decide to not have a twisted bone in his arm anymore after throwing his whole entire life.
01:06:39.000So if you develop your whole life as a non-kicker and then someone tries to show you kicking techniques, is there a way to open you up and make you more pliable and make your body adapt to those movements better?
01:06:51.000I think that there is because you are malleable really as a structure throughout your entire life.
01:06:56.000I just think that it's larger than do this kick over and over and over again.
01:07:01.000There are ways to facilitate the mobility of the entire structure.
01:07:06.000So if it were me and I was trying to teach a martial art, it wouldn't just be the kick.
01:07:10.000I'd be like, what do these that are good at kicking, like what are the other lifestyle things?
01:07:28.000It's so small what you're asking to adapt to that there are ways to create change and shape in bones and there's evidence that it really does happen throughout a lifetime.
01:07:38.000It's just the exercise paradigm is so small.
01:07:43.000It's like if you want to become more malleable, you have to change everything that you do all of the time and you will adapt to that.
01:07:48.000Do people have a built-in limitation as far as their flexibility, or is it simply a matter of the amount of time and effort you spend trying to expand your flexibility?
01:08:01.000I don't think humans have a built-in limitation from birth, but I think that your range of motion gets set really, really early, and we are in a mobilizing culture.
01:09:38.000He's a pro football player who retired and started getting into jiu-jitsu.
01:09:41.000And he had massive flexibility issues.
01:09:43.000For a while, but this guy was such a dedicated athlete that he would get after practice, he would do his training, and then he would stretch.
01:09:54.000You could see that guy putting way more time into it.
01:09:57.000And then, like, a year later, he's doing the splits.
01:09:59.000And, you know, I pointed it to everybody in the class.
01:10:02.000I go, I don't want to hear anybody tell me you can't get flexible.
01:10:05.000Because this fucking guy got flexible in a year.
01:10:07.000Like, in a year, this guy was this giant 250-pound, like, giant quads, like, all stiff from all these years of deadlifting and all that jazz.
01:10:15.000And this guy figured out, like, hey, in order to get good at jiu-jitsu, I'm going to have to really stretch.
01:11:01.000And you want to just be imagining the shape that you're trying to make and you're just pushing the limits of the tissue because you've been doing it so long, you have the parts.
01:11:11.000Your muscle mass becomes longer and shorter as necessary.
01:11:15.000The orientation of the bone in its socket and all the support tissues, it takes a while to adapt.
01:11:21.000It's not like, I've been doing this for six weeks, when is it going to get better?
01:11:24.000It's like you've been not doing it for 40 years.
01:11:27.000You just have to look at it more in terms of time, like realistic time in physiology.
01:11:32.000I think anyone can really accomplish some serious physiological, physical transformations, but again, not in that one hour that they allow themselves three times a week.
01:12:45.000Just a few months of, let's watch our diet, let's, you know, and you know, she's got kids and blah, blah, blah, and she, you know, has a business and blah, blah, blah.
01:12:53.000She doesn't have that much time, but You had a fucking vacuum stuffed under your skin and they sucked all the fat out.
01:13:01.000And now you gotta wear a girdle and they gotta wear these compression shorts and shit and everything's all fucked up and lumpy and like, it's crazy.
01:13:08.000Ooze and pus, she has a drain on her leg because the fat that they suck out of it, like everything gets infected and it's all fucking pussy and shit.
01:13:18.000You're going to go through two months of rehabilitation.
01:14:02.000We're in a weird space right now where we want to be better in the very same habit, doing the same things that got us to where we are in the first place.
01:16:18.000That whole EMF thing, they wanted to put some EMF weapons up in our woods there, so that it's like, there's no literature that shows that they're bad for the body, so we're going to put some EMF weapons, and it's like, what?
01:16:37.000So the easiest tissue to test is sperm, because you can get as much sperm to test, and you can It's ethical, I guess, to expose it to EMF. I'm just going to throw it away anyway.
01:16:50.000So you can take two sperm samples and you can put one next to a phone or you can have a guy wear a phone on his hip and the sperm is different after having it.
01:17:02.000So they don't know if it's the heat of the device because there's a device in your pocket.
01:17:06.000A lot of people carry it right there in their pocket.
01:17:08.000Or right there in their shirt pockets, you know.
01:17:11.000Whether it's the heat or the EMF, they haven't really broken it down and I've seen some other smaller studies on fetuses, you know, where they make the mother have A device and wear a device to see what the cells look like.
01:17:27.000The data is pointing that there is some sort of change.
01:17:33.000With all that kind of stuff, it's like the dose that makes the poison.
01:17:46.000I put it on airplane mode if it's going to be by my head when I go to sleep, and other than that, I don't keep it On my body or near my body.
01:17:55.000Well, yeah, like if it's my alarm or whatever.
01:17:57.000So I tell people, like, you can use it for an alarm.
01:17:59.000You can turn it off so that it's not transmitting anything.
01:18:03.000Right, but is it still generating heat?
01:18:04.000Well, it's not touching me anymore, so it's not on my skin.
01:18:08.000But if you're carrying it in your pocket?
01:18:10.000If you're carrying it in your pocket, it would still be...
01:18:12.000It generates heat more, I think, when it's transmitting.
01:18:15.000Imagine if people just show up, like, years from now, everyone has ass cancer in your back pocket area.
01:18:21.000Their hips are all aligned but now they have ass cancer?
01:18:23.000I think like Sheryl Crow has brain cancer and she was saying that they were trying to attribute it to or possibly attribute it to when she was doing press for her first CD was the old days of cell phones and she did all of it through her mobile phone.
01:18:40.000She had it up to her head the entire time and it's that side of her head that she has the issue with.
01:18:46.000I think that we do a lot of stuff that we have no idea how it's gonna You know trickle down if you think about it like everywhere we go you're experiencing Wi-Fi signals radio signals You know I don't know how does the satellite thing work?
01:19:04.000I mean you have to kind of like have a an antenna or a dish that points up to where the Satellite is sending the signal But I mean is that signal somehow or another getting here whether it hits your dish or not?
01:19:17.000It's we know that cell phone signals fuck with bees That's one of the things that they figured out when they were trying to figure out what's killing off all these honeybees.
01:19:26.000Most things point towards pesticides and disease, but there's also some issue that we might be constantly fucking with their navigation and their ability to communicate.
01:19:38.000It's almost like living next door to people that are just playing loud rock music all day.
01:20:18.000I want to be pounding against my head, but if I can't see it, how much could it really be harming me?
01:20:24.000Meanwhile, everyone's writing out this huge list of things that are wrong with them and what they're searching for, and we're just flapping on a...
01:20:30.000Well, it's just idiopathic or genetic or whatever.
01:20:36.000And it's like, yeah, but so are cell phone towers, so are chairs and all this other stuff.
01:20:41.000Well, there's a weird feeling that you get when you get to a completely deserted place, like a real wilderness place with total quiet, no cell phone service, no nothing.
01:21:35.000The Bowman family goes dark two days a week and you just go out and spend more time outside than inside and that's the great thing about having the wilderness there is like huge trees, old growth.
01:21:46.000Trees have been around for a long time and one time it was windy and trees were falling down.
01:22:43.000But that reality that this thing has been there before Columbus ever get near America, I mean, especially where you are in the Pacific Northwest, you're dealing with, you know, some of those trees are like a thousand years old.
01:22:56.000Well, almost the whole planet used to be wooded, right?
01:24:29.000There's this company, a bunch of companies make them, but one of them that I'm friends with is Green Mountain Grills.
01:24:34.000And these pellet grills, they take hardwood pellets.
01:24:37.000And it's basically sawdust, and they press it, and the natural sugars allow it to maintain this shape of like, it's almost like kitty litter.
01:24:45.000If you have a cat, I have a cat who uses pine litter.
01:24:48.000It looks real similar to the stuff that you, you put it in this pellet grill.
01:24:51.000It's all digitally regulated, so it can keep the temperature like 200 degrees, can keep it for like seven hours with this like pot of of pellets and it's like super efficient and it's a smoker it's essentially a grill slash smoker but instead of like if you ever use an old-school smoker like one of those big barrel smokers those are pain in the ass like you gotta like regulate the openings the valves and make sure you get the right amount of temperature you gotta keep thermometers in there and in the old days it was super difficult to figure out how hot everything was you
01:25:22.000know and then they figured out how to put meat thermometers actually in the meat and have digital ones that come outside and give you a reading but These pellet smokers, essentially they take all that hardwood sawdust that used to be just waste and compress it into these little pellets and then use it to cook with.
01:26:51.000Yeah, there's nothing like being in those forests, too, because you really do get that sense that, wow, this was here long before the wheel, or long before, rather, the engine, or long before boats came over here.
01:27:02.000I mean, this stuff, not before the wheel.
01:27:04.000There's no 6,000-year-old trees, right?
01:28:18.000Knowing that this thing was a seed and that seed became this tree and it's just seeing this entire world change during the time that it's been living and breathing in carbon dioxide and breathing out oxygen.
01:28:32.000That's something you get with old growth trees that you're not going to get with those cut blocks that are refurbished with these new little shitty pine trees that are little tags on them and stuff.
01:29:08.000When people have, like, space, land that's for sale, like, Boulder County will actually buy that land and make sure that it remains open space so that nobody can ever build on it.
01:29:17.000But you kind of have to do that to keep people from fucking the whole thing up, you know?
01:29:23.000I wonder why no one wants to go to Alaska.
01:29:42.000They did a big motorcycle trip all around there, and they were just in some kind of backcountry, and it was like, everyone here is just like...
01:30:18.000There's a sense of community, even in a city like Anchorage, that you don't really see in a lot of cities down here because their reality is, yeah, well, every now and then a moose comes into town and kicks the shit out of some people at a supermarket.
01:30:32.000Or a bear attacks someone that's in the wrong place at the wrong time.
01:30:36.000Or, you know, it's just this is the reality that they live in.
01:30:39.000They all have to kind of band together because every now and then...
01:30:42.000If you see a car broken down the side of the road, you get out and help that person because that could be you.
01:30:47.000Whereas if you're leaving here and you get on the 101, you see some guy broken down, you don't even think for a second.
01:31:13.000I mean, you really do need a tribal situation.
01:31:16.000If you're spread out a little bit, you know, you have your claim or your space, but when you need help, it's going to have to be some other person that's going to have to come help you.
01:31:28.000But don't you think it's kind of healthier to be in a place where there's like, you know the term diffusion of responsibility, the idea being that it's easier to attack someone in front of a thousand people than it is in front of one person, because one person feels obligated to help,
01:31:43.000whereas a thousand people say, someone should jump in and do something.
01:31:47.000But nobody does anything because they don't feel like they have to because there's so many other folks.
01:31:51.000Isn't that kind of like what you get if you're in a big city as opposed to like maybe where you live or maybe Alaska or just there's a number that's manageable?
01:32:03.000I mean, I like the town that we live in.
01:32:05.000I grew up in a small town and I was in Southern California for a long time and never really felt...
01:32:11.000Connected is the easiest word, but now that I'm out there in a little bit more rugged or wilderness, you know, I feel safe knowing that there are neighbors or community members.
01:32:26.000I feel more safe there, I think, than I feel in the big city.
01:32:58.000You know, I mean, to look at the city aspect of LA, you've got...
01:33:02.000Like, downtown LA is what we think of as a city, but because of the fact that there's earthquakes, everything's only one level out here, or two levels at most, except for downtown.
01:33:10.000And you have a few office buildings here and there, but if you look at, like, the landscape, it's a lot of, like, flat things.
01:33:17.000I would say probably the biggest is, like, Singapore or something like that.
01:33:39.000I think it might even be less about numbers and more about how many people go outside or not.
01:33:43.000Because it seems to me like in big cities, or even suburbs of big cities, everyone just pulls their car into their garage, they close their garage, and then they're in their house, and then...
01:33:55.000If they're outside, they're in their backyard with their small family, that there's not these large communities of people that are interacting outside.
01:34:03.000So maybe you could have that safety or everyone taking responsibility for people that you live with because you consider yourself living with them because you see them and you're next to them in some place.
01:34:18.000But if you're in Alaska, I imagine that even if you Even if you're up there by yourself, you're still spending so much time outside because you still have to get so much for yourself, I imagine.
01:34:30.000Or at least get out to go pick it up wherever it's being shipped in.
01:34:35.000It's much more expensive to get things up there, get food and groceries and things along those lines, especially the more rural you get, the more problematic it is to get things delivered.
01:34:45.000You know, when I say my neighbor's a douchebag, you know, he's not a bad guy, he's just kind of goofy.
01:34:49.000But there's some people in my neighborhood that are very cool.
01:34:52.000Like, you know, I see them, and it's nice.
01:34:53.000It's nice to have a community where, you know, you go up the street and you see Bob.
01:35:05.000I just moved in and got lucky that some of them were okay.
01:35:09.000Became friends with some of them along the way.
01:35:11.000But it's like, ideally, I've always said, the really smart thing to do would be get together with all your friends and loved ones and say, hey, let's all live in this area.
01:36:01.000I think, you know, in New York, I have friends who, they go out to eat for most of their meals, right?
01:36:06.000Their houses aren't large, and so they're forced by a lack of space.
01:36:11.000Again, it's kind of one of those just space things where you have to go out and Commune with other people and you have your seven favorite places and then by default those become your little community, but here you can you can sustain yourself entirely within your Your house and your compound and just made it so we don't have to really interact with anyone anymore.
01:38:00.000What is out here that people have known about forever that no one knows about anymore?
01:38:06.000How many Irish people starved with the potato famine because no one knew anything about the plants that were sitting right there that they could have stained themselves on the entire time?
01:38:24.000There was plenty of food mass there to eat, but if the skill set is gone, then it's really easy to kill yourself trying to figure it out for the first time.
01:38:42.000Like, you think, wow, the guy's in the woods, plenty of stuff to eat out there.
01:38:45.000And you see him, like, foraging for food and trying to figure out how to, like, kill a squirrel with some sort of a rock that drops a little thing that, you know, he hits the switch and the rock falls on his head.
01:39:00.000Is it John McClannis, the guy who went out in the woods and then died in the bus?
01:39:04.000They made a movie out of it, Into the Wild, right?
01:39:07.000And so everyone's, like, hypothesizing about, like, his, you know, his death and, like, oh, he must have eaten this particular plant and got poisoned.
01:39:13.000And all the wild food experts are, it's like, he starved to death.
01:39:20.000Like, one of the reasons humans have such a long...
01:39:22.000Juvenile period compared to any other primate is getting food is hard and it takes a really long time to be taught how to get it like to have this information handed down into to get the skill the muscle if you will to be able to do it and you expend so much energy Trying to get it that you have to eat not only to cover that energy,
01:39:42.000but enough to go beyond that a little bit.
01:39:45.000And then if you're, you know, making kids or whatever, then there's all this extra stuff and it's very hard and no one here has ever done it, ever.
01:39:53.000Yeah, we really got soft when it comes to that.
01:39:56.000The ability to feed yourself without a supermarket.
01:40:00.000It's a very monumentally difficult task to do for the average person.
01:40:04.000That movie really pissed me off because they twisted the Into the Wild, they twisted the ending because in the movie he eats a poisonous plant and he gets sick and he dies.
01:40:14.000He misidentifies the wrong plant and is liver toxic and he dies.
01:40:19.000But the reality is he did starve to death.
01:40:22.000Because it's fucking hard to get food.
01:40:24.000Like, if you've ever gone hunting, like, one of the things that my friend Brian Cowan and I first realized, the first hunting trip that we went on, lucky we went with this guy, Steve Rinello, this famous hunter, but we were like, Jesus, like, how the fuck did they do this before they had guns?
01:41:16.000When you hear about someone that's, like, survived in the woods by themselves for, like, 20 years, like, eating frogs and shit, you're like, what?
01:42:18.000It's like you need society and culture in order to figure out how to make a computer which allows you to learn about how to live in the wild.
01:42:29.000You know, I mean, you need education in order to figure out what's going wrong with the human body by living in this sedentary lifestyle that you have to go through this sedentary lifestyle to get that education to figure out that it's not good for you.
01:42:46.000Well, we've even begun to, I mean, that's what academia is like.
01:42:54.000So it requires a whole new, I mean, society.
01:42:57.000That's part of what civilization is, too, is someone knows something that you don't know and that you might want to know that you find valuable so you can go do some of his work for him so he'll tell you.
01:43:08.000Do you think that ultimately the pattern that most people have chosen, this like 9 to 5 in a box and then sat in a car, is that going to be, do you think we'll realize somewhere down the line that that, like smoking, is like really bad for you and we should try to phase that out and try to,
01:43:25.000or do you think we're so caught up in this idea of achievement and our momentum is so in that direction that we'll never pull away from it?
01:43:38.000I mean, I think that with European countries playing around with things like four-day work weeks, It doesn't take as much time as you're going to work.
01:43:50.000At some point, someone, I hope, is going to stand up and say, I could do my job in three hours a day.
01:43:56.000I think as businesses are laying off people or doing enforced furloughs, where they're saying, well, you now have four days to get the same job done, and you're going to have to take a 20% I think people are accepting that because now they get this extra day.
01:44:24.000I don't know if the up-and-comers will see it that way, but then for the up-and-comers, there's not a lot of jobs for those up-and-comers.
01:44:32.000There's not even the option for 9-to-5 work for so many people now who Did what they were supposed to, you know, and they went to school or whatever, and they got a trade or a job.
01:44:50.000And I think the work day in general with the commute, with the like digital commute, people being able to work from their computers, wherever they are, eventually corporations will see that it's cheaper, the cheaper for them to still make the same products.
01:45:05.000Paying people less, but people get more free time.
01:45:08.000Yeah, but people are always going to want more.
01:45:44.000You'll find someone who can do the job faster and for less.
01:45:48.000And the only thing, keeping people who don't do that in their seats is maybe the law at a certain point, like who you can fire and who you can't fire if people are tenured or whatever.
01:46:00.000Hasn't that been the transition for, like, the last 30 or 40 years where you're just paying people less?
01:46:06.000Relatively speaking, you know, the dollar is different than what it was, but aren't we paying people less who are working way, like, who doesn't work like seven days a week?
01:46:14.000Who goes home and doesn't still have their email on and still answering emails?
01:46:19.000I think that they're getting a lot more work out of people for what they used to pay and that, in fact, they are paying people less.
01:47:29.000Has a company ever come to you and said, hey, we would like to ultimately, from the beginning of our company, we would like to engineer this thing to be a healthier environment for our employees?
01:47:39.000What is a way we can get the most amount of productivity but also keep people as healthy as possible and give them an environment that's more conducive to just being an active, healthy person?
01:47:54.000I mean, there are simple things that people can do, employers can do to provide their employees with a healthier version, I guess, of the 9 to 5. You don't have to sit, like, roving desks.
01:49:33.000This thing that I had, this chronic headache, this vision problem, this irritation with my family or whatever it is, when you go outside and you camp, all of a sudden it's different.
01:49:43.000You've changed it up enough where It's so different.
01:49:47.000Well, I feel like that indoors now, after being outside so much, after spending so much time, like I can feel this chair right now.
01:49:58.000I haven't sat in a chair continuously in probably two years.
01:50:55.000So it's like, how can I do all those things and keep the pelvic shape and the low back shape that I wanted and the strength without having to go to do those things separately from my regular life?
01:51:45.000Downward praying manners or something, you know?
01:51:48.000Yeah, so you just move around always in a different way.
01:51:52.000Nothing completely sedentary or static.
01:51:55.000Yeah, and it's because I don't think that we're, you know, we say we're too sedentary, and it's like, I would say that you have too much repetitive geometry, which is different, you know, so it's like, you got to get out of your couch and exercise, I would say, maybe you just get out of your couch, maybe you keep watching Netflix, just sit cross-legged on the floor.
01:52:12.000Just put your legs out in front of you because that is movement.
01:53:37.000Why would an orca not be swimming in the ocean?
01:53:39.000It's because you have these parts of your body that are movement dependent because movement is something that a human should be doing all the time.
01:53:48.000It's only in recent times that That we haven't needed to move.
01:53:52.000So then these systems that are movement dependent just kind of fail.
01:53:56.000Yeah, but my kids get sick, and my kids move a lot.
01:54:00.000They do gymnastics classes, and they do dance classes, and they're in school, and they're doing...
01:54:06.000I mean, are your kids going to school?
01:56:23.000I know it seems radical that I don't have furniture, but the bulk of humans right now on the planet don't have furniture like you have furniture.
01:58:03.000It just comes from the loads that you expose them to.
01:58:06.000If you think of what is the natural environment for your body, you go to a massage therapist to push on you and give you pressure because it's an input you are missing.
01:58:17.000Well, I get it every night on the ground, so I'm not missing all of that movement and helping those tissues become unstuck because the floor does that for you for free while you sleep.
01:58:44.000That's what makes sleeping on the floor so uncomfortable.
01:58:47.000Have you ever gone camping and slept on the ground and everyone's hurting the next day?
01:58:51.000You don't have the strength, really, to do that.
01:58:54.000You don't have the suppleness of the tissues.
01:58:56.000And so you stiffen and react to it, kind of like if someone...
01:59:00.000Pushes on you really hard, like too deep at first, you tense your muscles in response, but with time, the way, how you're probably imagining sleeping on the ground feels is not how it feels to me anymore.
01:59:12.000It's how it felt to me at the beginning, but not how it feels to me anymore.
01:59:15.000Well, I've camped a bunch of times, especially over the last couple of years.
01:59:24.000But it doesn't feel like deep tissue massage.
01:59:26.000The difference between massage, especially sports massage, is you're kneading out knots and different scar tissue and blockages that have happened from strenuous exercise.
01:59:38.000I just don't see how laying on the ground would do that.
01:59:41.000Well, your massage is targeted and local to whatever area someone is applying it.
01:59:48.000So in that way, the sensations are different because this is just kind of whole body all at the same time.
01:59:54.000But mechanically speaking, it's the same thing.
02:00:25.000Yeah, you'd always be seeking something comfortable.
02:00:27.000It's just that your bed is so comfortable, what it does is it doesn't reveal your discomfort, so you just assume one position, again, the same geometry, almost all night long.
02:00:39.000So in that way, your movement is less.
02:00:43.000Where I move much more during that eight hours.
02:00:47.000So that eight hours, my cells have a different experience than someone who's sleeping in a bed and on a pillow.
02:00:54.000And when I'm uncomfortable, I change position, which is movement.
02:01:38.000Like, where would this stretch happen naturally?
02:01:41.000It's like, okay, well, if I was laying on my side curled up, you know, if you look at your dog or your cat sleeping there, they're like doing these weird positions and poses.
02:01:49.000And then I found the literature on it in, in the journal.
02:01:52.000It's like, yeah, we think that a lot of low back pain is coming from these repetitive sleeping positions on, on beds.
02:01:58.000And here's how all these humans sleep.
02:02:00.000Here's how all these other primates and other animals sleep.
02:02:03.000There seems to be some weird way about the way we sleep, so I just cleaned up that environment for myself.
02:02:40.000My body should have enough give where, you know, a slightly different Baby pressure isn't stressing my body out and then that's when I just started to explore this kind of stuff.
02:02:59.000You don't have to give up your couch, but how about just sitting on the floor instead of it?
02:03:03.000With the sitting is the new smoking stuff, the thing that that research really showed is that you can be this really great exerciser, or it was a new category of sedentary active, that all of the active, the fittest people within our culture are still sedentary.
02:03:20.000And since your body, again, is movement-dependent, they're systems in the fittest people, Are like 4% better than the people who don't move at all.
02:03:29.000So there's like all this space to get better physically.
02:03:34.000And again, when I say better, I'm really talking about basic biological things like procreating, digesting food.
02:03:40.000Some people can't even go to the bathroom.
02:03:42.000Like their guts and their bathrooming doesn't work.
02:03:45.000And like these are again basic human functions.
02:03:50.000And like, their humanness is impaired in the same way that you would see, again, like in zoo animals, like just pacing and their bio rhythms all messed up.
02:04:01.000So I thought, well, I can get myself back on track.
02:04:06.000And all these other things that we're talking about, like consumerism for our family and space and having little kids, you know, and run around and less to clean and just less.
02:05:14.000I just, again, I have a particular timeline and a development that I want them To explore first that I don't want encroached with any of that stuff.
02:05:25.000And so I maximize lots of other things.
02:06:05.000They've never been exposed to antibiotics or antibacterial products, you know, things that now are showing up to accumulate in the system.
02:06:13.000And so I think that has a lot to do with it.
02:06:16.000Do you have any issue or any worry or concern about your kids catching measles or mumps or one of these dangerous diseases that have had a resurgence because of a lack of vaccinations?
02:06:28.000I mean, that's a big issue on the East Coast is the measles and mumps and things along those lines that used to be kind of knocked down.
02:06:35.000Now, because a lot of people don't want to vaccinate their kids, you're seeing this make a resurgence.
02:06:41.000Yeah, well, I mean, like I said, I'm not anti-vaccine.
02:06:46.000The reason that you're really vaccinating is for the benefit of weaker people, for the most part, because measles as a whole is not something that is that dangerous.
02:06:57.000I mean, there are very few incidences, even when it was really bad, that it would cause death or whatnot.
02:07:32.000But, I mean, as far as I spend time detecting, like there was someone who was exposed to measles in Washington who came from Disneyland.
02:07:43.000So I got a notification saying this person went from Disneyland to the SeaTac airport, who then went to This place, if you've been at any of these three places, which is what our, you know, the government put out.
02:12:31.000All my friends that have young children around my kid's age, everyone's battling colds all the time because your kid's a little petri dishes.
02:15:21.000I didn't really sit down in front of a computer until I was maybe...
02:15:27.00020. You know, I had a typewriter and, you know, I did typing in high school, but You were running around, you know, after school for the most part, and now, you know, my one-year-old had my iPhone, and she's just swiping through, picking the game that she wants to play, and you're like, God.
02:15:43.000She is going to be casted so much earlier by this, because zero to five is so important, and it's going to be interesting that it's going to be more than what we think it's going to be.
02:15:56.000It's going to affect more than her eyes.
02:15:58.000It's going to affect more than Than her hips, you know, it's going to be really how she thinks, how they both think is just going to be so impacted by the age of information.
02:16:10.000How did you find this freaky nature school thing?
02:16:14.000Is that something you knew about before you moved to the location you live in?
02:16:34.000There's probably, if you look online, you could find maybe a hundred schools already operating like this, and they're just outdoor preschools, although they're starting to go up higher, you know, where they're doing the curriculum just based on child-led interests.
02:16:54.000My son came home and we're just like taking a hike sometime and he was telling me the names of the trees and stuff, like stuff that I didn't even know.
02:17:19.000You just start to notice, you know, I think it definitely lends itself to a scientific kind of outcome because, you know, my son's like, hey, look at the frost patterns on this versus this.
02:17:30.000Like, here's how you can tell, you know, where it was frosty and, like, this is clearly underwater.
02:17:35.000So they're just starting to recognize and observe data and details about things.
02:17:43.000You know, I'm a scientist, so I like that.
02:17:46.000I see things that way so you know I don't know if it'll work for both my kids but it definitely works for my son who's more kind of like me.
02:17:53.000I'm fascinated by the fact that you, as a scientist and as someone who is an expert in human movement and biomechanics and all that, you've decided to try to engineer your children from the jump.
02:18:08.000It's done that to such a degree that you've done it where you've gotten rid of your couch and you sit on the floor and you've got your kids in some fairy wood school.
02:19:37.000Well, it makes it very comfortable and supported, you know, while you're laboring.
02:19:41.000A lot of people get out, though, if you don't actually...
02:19:43.000Do the berth, they climb out of the tub.
02:19:46.000There are certain positions, it's really hard.
02:19:48.000You're teaching people how to kick and you're like, you don't have the hip range of motion to kick.
02:19:51.000What if you don't have the hip range of motion to squat?
02:19:54.000These necessary positions that open all the bones up, a lot of people can't get into them.
02:19:58.000Well, I've always wondered about people that need cesarean sections, like women with very narrow hips and, you know, they have a large husband and the baby's got a giant fucking head.
02:20:53.000We've kind of gone right out into advanced technology and no one's really done a lot of work just going, how does this species work before we go over and look at other animals?
02:21:11.000Telling women that they're too small to give To give birth, but then they look at data of women who are up and move more through their pregnancy and head circumference.
02:21:20.000You know, that the shape of the baby, again, is based on movement of the vessel in which it's in.
02:21:28.000That it's becoming more understood to be very mechano-regulated.
02:21:33.000Mechano meaning like any sort of mechanical forces on the embryo.
02:21:37.000And the embryo is sensing movement and there's pressure on the And that's an environment.
02:21:45.000It affects foot position, the ability for it to move and twist and to start that developmental phase.
02:21:51.000And there's a lot of things that we do that limits developing human movement because we are so still.
02:21:58.000So the more active your child is, or the more active you are, rather, it changes the shape of your child in the womb, the size of your child, rather, in the womb.
02:22:10.000It affects their space and the pressures that are on them that are their mechanical environment.
02:22:17.000And how does that affect a woman having narrow hips?
02:22:20.000I mean, is it possible that a baby would be small enough that it would pass through if she's really active, whereas if she's sedentary and she has narrow hips, the baby's just going to be too big and fat?
02:22:31.000I mean, narrow hips, like your hip, the obstetrical conjugate, the space, you know, where the baby is coming out is not a set structure.
02:22:39.000You have hinges in there where things articulate and become bigger or smaller as needed, but those hinges being able to articulate depends on how fluid you yourself, how much movement did you do?
02:22:54.000Were you squatting for a long period of time?
02:22:56.000So squatting is something that's totally natural for humans, and humans would have to do it You know, a few times a day to bathroom, but also getting up and down off of the floor.
02:23:06.000So you imagine what the shape of the pelvis would be and the mobility of the hips and the sacrum and all these joints that play a role in birth.
02:23:16.000And then you go, but how natural are they not when you want to take them to something like birthing that everyone does?
02:23:23.000So I'm a natural birthing advocate, but at the same time, I'm more an advocate for like, if you want to have like a vaginal delivery instead of a cesarean, There's work to do in the same way if you want to do a certain kick, you know, for your martial arts class it takes training to re-establish this shape and mobility so that you don't have too small of a space.
02:23:45.000So what do you do to stretch out your quote-unquote space?
02:23:49.000Well, you just become more mobile through the hips in general.
02:24:57.000Your core muscles are working, so the baby's getting bigger, but you're on the couch, so even though the baby's getting bigger, that weight's never put on the muscles that hold the baby, so then you have to start tucking your pelvis under or wearing a baby support belt because you're not training your muscles relative to the natural mass accumulation of having a baby.
02:25:15.000You have to be up and moving around with that weight in order to adapt to it.
02:25:19.000You can't put a kettlebell in your lap Right.
02:25:47.000There's a lot of factors that affect the birthing process, and I don't think that there is as much evidence for space being a factor as it is used as a casual reason.
02:26:04.000If you're at the point where you've tried to labor, And it's not happening.
02:26:29.000There's so many things you can do, but they don't necessarily happen well in a hospital that have their own set of rules and equipment in which they have to be monitoring you with.
02:26:38.000So a lot of the trade-off for constant monitoring and emergency care is The optimal process is sometimes compromised.
02:28:13.000Well, that's definitely what it is with certain animals like deer.
02:28:16.000They don't even eat animal protein other than that.
02:28:21.000Well, but because they've been doing it for a long time, there can be something that's consumed in that movement or in that choice of doing so that comes along with it.
02:28:31.000In biology, there's a lot of naturally occurring byproducts.
02:29:08.000The pollination is just something that occurs because of a structure.
02:29:13.000So if you eat something To keep a predator from coming up, but you've always done it, then there can be some sort of compound that triggers milk production.
02:29:25.000So when you look at a population of people who are having kids, and it's like, wow, there's a very large percentage of this population that's struggling just after having a baby.
02:29:38.000Could we be missing some sort of naturally occurring nutrient?
02:29:42.000And I think that's why people take The placenta is because they're just trying to hedge their bets.
02:29:46.000Maybe inside the placenta is something that keeps me from feeling whatever issue they're diagnosed with.
02:29:53.000If it plays some sort of role in hormonal regulation afterwards, is it part of the input that changes how your physiology starts going back to what it was before?
02:30:09.000That things are very easily dismissed as like we know the reason or that's no longer a necessary structure just because it doesn't fit into our tank.
02:30:17.000And so you don't really want to approach biology and physiology and anatomy with that heavy bias that the way humans are doing it right now in LA is really an indication of what humans need to be doing.
02:30:29.000Is that sort of like how people have a natural instinct to suck on wounds?
02:30:34.000Like if you cut your finger, you naturally do that.
02:30:37.000And then people would tell you not to do that for the longest time, but then they found out that no, saliva has actually very strong healing properties.
02:30:44.000Like we have an instinct to suck on wounds because it actually does help.
02:31:43.000Just get your hips and your knees to a different joint angle because it turns out again that the tubes of elimination line up better when you do that, that it's part of the system.
02:31:57.000And without that, then you have to start bearing down and adding forces into the system.
02:32:03.000They're good to accomplish that task, but they're not good for maybe the whole structure, like all that intra-abdominal pressure over time, if that's how you're forcing it to get out, moves things in other ways.
02:32:13.000Yeah, I've found that like when you have to poop in the woods, it comes out real quick.
02:32:18.000Whereas like if you're sitting down on a toilet, it's like sometimes you can read a book or go answer a few tweets.
02:32:36.000That was just uncomfortable question number two.
02:32:38.000No, but I mean, how did we as human beings, how did we get to this throne that you sit down on?
02:32:43.000How come nobody figured out that a long time ago?
02:32:46.000Well, I think that, you know, with civilization, part of another inherent component of civilization is you have to be better than someone else, you know?
02:32:56.000And so a lot of the things that we do...
02:33:01.000Our ways of delineating ourselves from what we would call savages or more primitive people.
02:33:36.000What advancements has society made that you think are beneficial?
02:33:42.000Well, gosh, I mean, I think medicine is beneficial.
02:33:45.000I mean, I think everything is beneficial.
02:33:47.000It's just that what I'm more concerned about is what is no longer needed that is still essential.
02:33:57.000So I don't have really an aversion against civilization and technology.
02:34:02.000It's just that vitamin C is still necessary.
02:34:07.000Like, we can't get around the fact that vitamin C is still necessary.
02:34:10.000So I'm just trying to figure out So when you're trying to figure out diseases, you have to kind of boil down to, could this disease be arising because of some non-input, some essential input that we're not getting?
02:34:23.000And so as people get more and more advanced, our health, again in the terms of biological sense, isn't getting better with us.
02:34:35.000And so what happens to a species that advances itself right out of being A species.
02:35:22.000Like, the things sound radical, but again, as far as humans on the planet right now, they're really not.
02:35:28.000So they might be more radical because they're decidedly non-American, but I don't think I'm really going out of my way that much to be more animal-like.
02:35:40.000It's just, like, I don't feel my life is enhanced with a bed.
02:35:45.000I don't think my life is enhanced with, like, I'm obviously letting go of the things that I can't live without.
02:35:51.000There are certain things that I, you know, I still have a car.
02:35:56.000Do you have, like, some weird thing that you sit in in your car and you sit on a log?
02:37:09.000There's certain kicks I just don't do as well with my left side.
02:37:14.000I wonder now, especially after talking to you, what other chains of things are not working as well because of that imbalance?
02:37:25.000Yeah, well, I think that brings up that notion of alignment.
02:37:30.000An alignment is when you're moving, you know, alignment in your car is like when the relationship of all of the parts are where they should be and then the way that you drive.
02:37:42.000It optimizes the longevity of the structure of the car as a whole.
02:37:47.000Like you don't have any one wheel getting its job done as a wheel is wearing down the brake on that side where it's costing you something that it shouldn't.
02:37:55.000You're trying to figure out your alignment, which is how can I be using my arm without wearing down my shoulder prematurely because the muscles between the two are tighter than they should be because I always do the same thing with my left arm.
02:38:12.000So I think it's less about, I mean, muscle balancing is one way to look at it, but also just look at what are the movements you do in your life.
02:38:21.000Like if you had to make a list of the top 10 moves you do in your life outside of your exercise program, like what are they?
02:38:28.000It's sitting from like getting up and down out of a chairs is a thing that you do most often, but we don't do very much with our body at all when it's not exercising.
02:38:44.000None really in that I have really eliminated structured exercise time out of my life.
02:38:54.000But if you plotted my body on a graph, what you would see is probably five miles of walking a day, almost carrying something almost always while doing that, but you know it's in different arms all of the time.
02:39:10.000Working on the house, my stillness is on the computer time, but really it's just that, getting up and down off of the floor, sitting on the floor in different ways, which would look like stretching, I would say to most people, right?
02:39:20.000So I'm always working on some sort of stretch, but it's really just to get something accomplished.
02:39:28.000So no lifting weights, no squatting, no deadlifts?
02:39:33.000I squat because I don't have furniture, so I probably do 200 squats a day.
02:40:44.000Again, one of the reasons you do cardio is you do cardio because this idea that you want to keep your heart strong enough to do what?
02:40:54.000It's supposed to be to distribute oxygen.
02:40:55.000Your cardiovascular system distributes oxygen, but just because it's beating faster, working harder, it's not accomplishing Whole body oxygen distribution.
02:41:05.000In fact, it's pulling blood away from anything not doing that thing that you're doing in the moment.
02:41:11.000So even that idea of cardio comes from being still all the time.
02:41:16.000What can I consume in a short period of time that keeps my heart muscles strong?
02:41:21.000Instead of going, how can I take the resistance away from my heart and distribute my oxygen all the time?
02:41:26.000Like, my cardiovascular system is working all of the time because I'm moving all the time.
02:41:30.000I think what we're talking about are probably two different things.
02:41:33.000I'm talking about what you're trying to accomplish, whether or not you're trying to push your body to an optimum state.
02:41:38.000If you're looking to optimize your body's performance, you're really not going to get that just by carrying kids and sitting down on the ground.
02:41:46.000Your body, like the difference between exercise, a lot of people are thinking of exercise as being something where I guess you're just trying to lose a little weight or stay active or sweat a little bit.
02:41:58.000What I'm talking about is like optimizing your physical body.
02:42:02.000Strengthening your body, strengthening your cardiovascular system, strengthening your physical structure.
02:42:09.000I'm a big believer in especially resistance exercises.
02:42:12.000I think that it's very important for bone density.
02:42:14.000It's very important to resist the aging process and muscles, keeping muscle density, keeping bone density.
02:42:26.000Well, again, I think it's about how you're using the word optimization.
02:42:30.000So optimization, to me, if you're optimizing the fitness performance tests, like one rep max or a strength goal, whether it's aesthetic or a physical performance, like how much weight can I move with this body part and can I get more and more?
02:42:49.000That's fine as long as your body is also being successful at getting biological tasks done.
02:42:57.000And I think that in a lot of cases, people can have very high levels of this fitness optimization for performance, for athletic performance, but not be performing 100% biologically speaking.
02:43:18.000In the book, I use cycling as an example, where you can have people who have huge VO2 max capacity because they're doing a ton of endurance training, but the bone density in their hips in most competitive cyclists is lower than what it should be.
02:43:36.000They actually have the hips of an 70-year-old woman with osteoporosis.
02:43:43.000Because they're not carrying any weight?
02:43:50.000It's a waste, actually, of bone density.
02:43:52.000So there's a lot of health trade-offs.
02:43:56.000That occur when we train for performance without keeping our eye constantly on biology.
02:44:02.000So I would say that my bone density, the bone density of hunter-gatherer populations is way higher than it is in even heavy lifters because bone density is a whole head-to-toe phenomenon.
02:44:17.000People who've worn shoes their entire time, the bone density in their feet is pretty low.
02:44:20.000The size and shape of your bones is small already.
02:44:24.000Even if you do a lot with it, the size and the shape is limited by the fact that you don't move all the time.
02:44:34.000Even though you do a ton of work to optimize your fitness level in that hour, You're sedentary 96% of the time so that the physical cap for optimization is just different.
02:45:04.000So again, in the birthing community, there's this thing of, you know, why are women who are doing a lot of exercise, like their muscles get to the point where the tension, their resting tension is higher than what it should be,
02:45:19.000like say in their pelvic floor, and then they're having to generate Way more force or their tissues will tear or give because the tension is greater than what is natural.
02:45:30.000Because you can get stronger and stronger and stronger, but at what point is your tension higher than natural because of the context of doing nothing else the rest of the time?
02:45:39.000Like, we'll carry our kids, but then there's this huge, very fit guy, and he came up to us and he's like, if I had to carry my kids, there's no way my back could tolerate it for more than 20 minutes, and I've been following you guys around all day, and you've had these kids for hours.
02:45:51.000He's like, I couldn't even do it, so who's stronger?
02:46:15.000Anyone can overload their system in an unnatural way, and that's a huge issue with weightlifting, especially with people who do isolation exercises.
02:46:22.000I'm a big proponent of functional strength exercises, like full body weight or full body movements and things along those lines, and that's something that Yeah.
02:46:54.000Yeah, it has come in the last 10 years to a whole different level of functional.
02:47:00.000So I think I'm just calling for it to become even more functional, like real functional, like stuff that you would actually do in life.
02:47:08.000Yeah, I mean, I'm fascinated by your approach, but I just wonder how practical it would be for the average person.
02:47:15.000You seem to have engineered your life in order to do it this way, and it's great, it's wonderful, but I just wonder how many other people could sort of apply that to their lives, unless they had some sort of...
02:47:25.000I mean, you have to have a lot of freedom to do what you're doing, you know?
02:48:13.000So you're just constantly jumping in and tagging in and tagging out.
02:48:17.000And taking turns working at night and someone works early in the morning and just getting all the things done.
02:48:22.000What did he used to do before you guys became the Grizzly Adams family?
02:48:26.000He was an editor, like a magazine article editor, so he's a copy editor and just kind of a jack of all trades, just writing, so it's helped me a lot.
02:48:38.000Well, also, I bet that sitting down writing all this, he's probably really aware of what you're talking about and the issues that people that do that kind of thing face.
02:48:46.000It's probably attractive to him to sort of pursue what you're advocating.
02:48:50.000Yeah, and it's funny because he was actually, he was a total barefoot guy.
02:48:55.000You know, I didn't know this about him when he was in college.
02:48:59.000Here in L.A. He's kind of like the Big Lebowski.
02:49:02.000My husband is very similar to, if you know who the character of the Big Lebowski is.
02:51:39.000Yeah, it's a hot topic in terms of criticism as well.
02:51:42.000People love to jump on people that aren't vaccinating their kids, or jump on anyone who's trying to connect any vaccinations towards any sort of ailments and diseases.
02:51:52.000I've talked to many doctors, and That are pro-vaccine, that think that the protocols that we instill, as far as everyone being subscribed to the same protocol, that's probably not the best way to deal with anything biological because people have so much biodiversity.
02:52:11.000There's so much difference between one thing that will make someone terribly ill and the same exact substance won't affect someone at all, whether it's allergies or...
02:52:23.000Sensitivities to certain medications, and you're going to run the risk, especially when you're introducing a lot of chemicals into a very young immune system, a very young child.
02:52:37.000There was a timing issue for us in the way that we wanted to do it.
02:52:43.000I don't really believe that the vaccinations are tied to any I think it's just a load to the body as a whole and watching.
02:53:04.000Wanting my children to process and develop certain things first where, you know, the risk of any overload or mismatch, as you call it, like in terms of biology and medicine, where it's just less of a new thing.
02:53:20.000You know, the structure is a little bit more formed and more able to process anything that you put into it.
02:53:27.000It seems like there's an issue with some parents where some parents want to criticize people that are raising their kids in a different way.
02:53:36.000And they do it either because they don't like the way it makes them examine the way they're raising their kids, so they do it defensively, or they're judgmental, or everybody thinks they're doing it the right way and everybody else is doing it the wrong way.
02:54:17.000There's very conscious biomechanical choices of why I'm doing this.
02:54:21.000What I'm doing like I go here's the process of mechanotransduction and here's the list of diseases and here's here's the known environments and so here's the environments that we're changing so in that way it's kind of like a an experiment in in current process right that word that we're doing but yeah it's I think the worst thing I was ever called by someone you know in a comment section and I don't spend I spent almost zero time reading It's not my thing.
02:55:18.000Yeah, and I think anonymously, if there was some reason to not, if there was some way to not have it be anonymous, I think you would see a change.
02:55:25.000Even that, then all of a sudden you're interacting with some person, and what's lacking is the social cues.
02:55:30.000There's things that people will tell you things online that they would never tell you, just looking at you, in front of you.
02:55:37.000And if they did, they would be completely socially retarded to do that.
02:56:01.000If you're a sensitive person or if you're a person...
02:56:03.000That considers that person on the other end, unless that person obviously is doing something horribly racist or sexist or whatever, in some way that victimizes other people.
02:56:11.000You're just talking about someone's opinions and ideas, and you're doing so in a very insulting way.
02:56:15.000You're doing so because you're an emotionally stunted fuckhead.
02:56:18.000That's what you are, and so that's why you're drawn to this anonymous contribution in the first place, whereas the large majority of people when they watch a YouTube video will not leave a comment.
02:56:32.000And the people that do, the overwhelming number of negative comments.
02:56:36.000It represents way more than I think the average population because you're dealing with a sort of a stunted group in the first place.
02:56:44.000Yeah, I think there's already a certain I have a message board and it's amazing.
02:56:59.000I've had it since 1998. There's always going to be assholes.
02:57:02.000There's a certain amount of assholes you're just going to get.
02:57:04.000There's a certain amount of people that just want attention, so they just want to be shitty and insulting.
02:57:09.000The intelligent discussions, the large majority of intelligent discussions and interesting different viewpoints.
02:57:16.000Once people get away from this idea of just demanding attention by just being just shitty, which is like what a lot of people do in these social network forums, whether it's Twitter or Facebook.
02:57:29.000You get more attention by being shitty.
02:57:32.000But once you get past that, you can find communities.
02:57:42.000And so it becomes like, you know what's going on in France right now, of course, right?
02:57:45.000With this cartoonist, these people that were killed.
02:57:50.000Well, now France has arrested like 60 people for making Facebook posts that they thought were either in In support of terrorism or criticizing their government.
02:58:02.000They arrested a comedian recently for some comment that he's made about the relationship between terrorism and this This horrible tragedy.
02:58:16.000It's really kind of fucked up because it's kind of counterintuitive to the whole idea that you're supposed to be supporting in the first place.
02:58:22.000But the communities that we have online right now, I think a big part of it is they don't feel the interaction.
02:58:29.000They just send it out there almost like a message in the bottle and you're on the other hand receiving it.
02:58:34.000Do you read a lot of your comments on your board still?
02:58:36.000I read a lot of the comments on the board.