In this episode, we talk about the UFC's recent fight against Vitor Belitor and how a referee should have handled the situation. We also talk about Jon Jones' recent loss to Vitor and if it was really as bad as it looked on the fight card. Finally, we give our thoughts on Jon's recent opponent, Alexander Gustaffor vs Alexander Gustafsson. We also give our opinions on the recent fight between Jon and Vitor, and what we would have done differently in the aftermath of the fight. We finish the episode with our thoughts and reactions to the UFC 232 post-fight press conference, and our overall thoughts on the whole Jon vs Vitor Vitor situation. We finish off the episode by talking about Jon's future in the UFC and if he should have been more aggressive in his approach to the fight in the first place. If you like what you hear, please HIT SUBSCRIBE and leave us a review on Apple Podcasts and tell a friend about our podcast! We don't need no fucking music, we don't even need it! Thank you so much for listening, and stay tuned for more episodes like this one, we'll be looking out for you next week! Love ya, bye! -The Guys Who Don't Need It, EJ & Joe Rogan. -Jon & Terence Dorsey <3 -Jon and Terence . Jon & TKO. Jon and Jon -Vitor vs. Alexander & Vitor Jon vs. Bellator :D -Jon vs. . . . Jon's elbow injury and much more! Jon Jones vs. Vitor v. Alexander vs. Weidman v. Welterman Vitor. & much more. , and much, much more... , we'll see you soon! --Jon and Jon s future in UFC 246, and much much more!! we'll talk about it all! ...and much more, we hope you enjoy! (and we'll get to see you in the next episode of the UFC Fight Night, so much more later! ! -JUICY! :PODCAST: (featuring: ) -- , ... AND MUCH MORE! & more! -JON & TAYLOR
00:01:23.000Like, sometimes guys get choked out, and the guy's on top of them, and they have their back, and they got their belly down, and you can't see the guy's face.
00:01:29.000But when the guy's face up, and you're looking at his eyes behind his head...
00:01:55.000If this guy fucks up, someone's going to get choked to sleep that wouldn't get choked to sleep or someone's going to get beaten a few extra times.
00:02:06.000Well, good thing it was in a joint manipulation submission because then you're talking about someone's arm being broken instead of just getting choked out.
00:02:12.000Well, in that situation, though, don't you let the guy fight out of it?
00:02:15.000Like, I let a guy fight out of a full arm bar.
00:02:17.000Because the way I would feel is that if his arm pops, that's on him.
00:02:21.000And guys have gotten their arms popped in one fight to four.
00:02:24.000Jon Jones got his fucking arm popped against Vitor.
00:02:36.000There's probably, well, if we play the video, there might be a picture of it, you can find an image of it, but at full extension.
00:02:43.000It was completely hyperextended the other way.
00:02:46.000And John's elbow was fucked up for a long time after that, because I remember he had to coach the ultimate fighter, and that's one of the things they said, like, well, this is good anyway, because he can't really train right now, because his elbow's fucked up from the Vitor fight.
00:03:33.000So I know he's been doing a lot of They say that the way you have to jump start your system one of the big ways you do a lot of compound exercises like cleans and presses Because it forces your body to produce as testosterone and estrogen Yeah, yeah big big things like he was doing searcher squats Which is where you know you like it's almost like you do you put your hands together like you and make your arms like you're curling you put the bar and You hang it from your arms and you do your squats like that.
00:11:50.000I think it would have all been dedicated, or how much time he dedicated to it, how much energy he did.
00:11:56.000But if he was in a situation where he could train 100% enough to support his family, he would have been a seriously world-class amateur wrestler.
00:12:03.000If not the best, especially in his weight class.
00:12:05.000You look at what he's doing in the UFC. If he decided to focus on wrestling, he would be the best.
00:13:29.000He just sat there until Burt said his name and then he started going.
00:13:32.000A lot of those guys, by the time they get to a certain age, their bodies have gone through so much trauma, so much physical trauma, so much damage, so many kicks, so many punches, so many takedowns.
00:13:42.000There's just micro injuries everywhere.
00:15:48.000Just smashing with muscle and just test and D-ball and whatever the fuck else was in his veins.
00:15:55.000It's like, there was a lot of guys that were doing stuff back then.
00:15:58.000If you talk to the people that competed, even people that are clean, they'll tell you, man, I saw dudes that I know for a fact were doing shit.
00:16:05.000I know a good percentage of what we're doing.
00:16:44.000If everyone just admitted what they were doing, then we would just be able to deal with it on the fact, well, to do that bike race, you need to have all this shit in your system.
00:16:52.000That's the only way these guys could do it.
00:17:53.000But if you allow people that sort of loophole, there's certain steroids that you can take that they alter your body permanently.
00:18:01.000Like you're gonna take steroids that they've done tests on these and it might be a small amount and that small amount might be Not even close to like the advantage that someone like has John like John Jones has over someone like Eddie Brill You know what I mean?
00:18:14.000Like just insane genetics, insane athleticism Like even if you do take steroids and you keep a little bit of it, bitch, you're still not as...
00:19:12.000And he tells the whole stack that he's on.
00:19:14.000And it's all about getting the right stack.
00:19:16.000But it raises a very important question, which is, as we are pushing way beyond our biology, and it's becoming exponential, and so you're going to have high school kids, like Ray Kurzweil says, who can inject themselves with tiny little robots, like red blood cells,
00:20:25.000So it's all about the skill of the driver.
00:20:27.000Like the sophistication of the team that puts it together.
00:20:30.000I mean, they have to adjust the suspension, calibrate the dampers, make sure that everything's correct as far as the weight balance and all this other jazz, and they build a solid engine.
00:20:38.000But the engine has to be like, you know, whatever it is, 500 horsepower.
00:21:45.000Dude, I can very clearly remember Eddie Bravo and I sitting in my living room, cross-legged on the couch, hands sweaty, when Vandelay was about to fight Rampage.
00:22:17.000I give him a break on his past performances.
00:22:19.000I give him a break on the spectacular knockouts like the Vitor Belfort front kick to the face, choking out Dan Henderson when Dan was dropping bombs out people.
00:24:27.000And in that mix, in that mix of those great guys is Anderson and in Fedor.
00:24:32.000I say Anderson overall, but I've had some fantastic enjoyment watching Fedor fights.
00:24:38.000Like what I'm saying and what I said about it being Possible that someone might have done performance enhancing drugs.
00:24:44.000It's not an accusation I'm just highlighting the reality of the environment that they were competing in That's it as far as my respect for him as an athlete as a fighter.
00:24:55.000I've always been a huge fan There's a video of me on YouTube with that huge UFC hated because I was talking about what a bad motherfucker He is this what he's fighting for the other organization It's a highlight video of me just ranting about what a bad motherfucker he is.
00:25:08.000Like, I've always thought he was amazing.
00:26:02.000You're on the same I didn't I couldn't actually I like missed a national tournament once because he kicked my shin and snapped my fucking not the tibia the fit which the fibula or the tibia tibia is the fat one the fibula yeah the painful one he was a he's a my point is he's a stone that motherfucker never did anything I know he never did anything we're friends we're friends back when he's competing I mean they didn't test anybody back then like they tested you if you got to the Olympics in Taekwondo you would know I don't know if he was on something.
00:32:11.000And they were all going crazy, and he went to one side of the room, and he put his hand to his ear, then the next hand to his ear, and I was just like, well, that's the coolest dude on the planet.
00:32:18.000And the idea that I do that in a small way that I'm a comic is still incredible to me.
00:32:24.000Yeah, but for sure his highlight of his career is not Shrek being the donkey.
00:38:10.000If that is really your husband and you miss him and he's gone, first of all, you feel horrible that someone put you in jail for that when you miss him so much and killed himself.
00:38:19.000And second of all, when you come out, you're not smiling.
00:38:25.000You're still depressed because your husband's dead, because he killed himself, and you were just accused of doing it, and people still suspect you of it.
00:40:32.000And there's a big part of it is probably going to be a lot of the corruption that you're seeing.
00:40:38.000Probably a lot of that's going to go away when things become more and more transparent because of the internet.
00:40:42.000It's going to be harder and harder for people to pull off the kind of shit they're doing in Russia right now, where you see Putin's number one enemy just got whacked.
00:42:21.000When I was doing the Ice Bucket Challenge, I did it benching 315 pounds, right?
00:42:27.000You did the Ice Bucket Challenge while benching 315 pounds?
00:42:29.000Yeah, and I had Calen pour the water on me.
00:42:31.000And the only thing I was concerned with is, I said, if it slips, like it falls off and hits me in the neck and I die, will it be on CNN? Will it be like, guy tries Ice Bucket Challenge, dies?
00:42:43.000That's the only thing I was worried about.
00:42:44.000You're not going to die for 315 pounds.
00:43:01.000No, this dude, the homeboy had I think maybe 400, 300 something and it slipped because the way they would do it, they wouldn't wrap their fingers around the bar.
00:44:54.000You don't want to do comedy on Broadway unless it's only you and you open with the exact same shit every night and you do it as a performance piece.
00:50:05.000Yeah, the lion, the tiger freaked out, son.
00:50:08.000You can see some crazy dude who thinks he's Neo in the Matrix, and he's got some long coat on, and he doesn't want anybody to know.
00:50:15.000He's got extra bolts on his door, and you go inside, and he's got a menagerie of fucking animals in there, tigers and lions and shit, in his apartment.
00:52:42.000And I said, what are the chances you think of a human fighting something like that?
00:52:46.000She goes, well, she said, what it would do is it would bite you, and it would keep adjusting its grip because its canines, whatever you call them, have nerves where they can sense where the juggler is.
00:52:56.000So it would just keep adjusting and then get on your juggler.
00:52:58.000My boy Cody Donovan worked at the morgue in the hospital where they put the bodies in.
00:53:04.000And at the Denver Zoo, the lady at night who would feed the tigers and all that shit, she didn't lock it good enough.
00:53:13.000She threw in the fucking T-bones in order that they give them, and then she thought it would automatically lock, and it didn't.
00:58:27.000But if you look at the numbers, see how many fucking chimps there are in the wild, and they're doing this fucked up shit to monkeys, and then look at how many people there are.
00:58:34.000If there was as many people or chimps as there were people, it would be cannibalized.
01:03:02.000The thing about gorilla's dicks and balls is that the gorillas are so fucking unchallengeable, they could have little tiny puds and they still get all the pussy.
01:03:30.000But, if you look at it in a gorilla's way, a big dick is a big target.
01:03:33.000You want to get your dick bit by a snake.
01:03:35.000Might be the difference between survival and death when you're out there living in the fucking jungle.
01:03:39.000You want a tiny dick with a pee hole so small that one of those little ball-eating fish can't swim up there and eat your ball sack out from the inside like they're known to do.
01:03:48.000I heard back in the day, like in the Roman times, a big dick you were made fun of is like licked down upon.
01:03:59.000If you have a big dick on Twitter, yeah, but you fucking, the blood goes to it, you become a retard.
01:04:04.000It's been proven the body can't support a dick that big.
01:04:07.000The Roman statues, the aesthetic was to keep the penis small because it took away from the body and how hard it was to chisel like a realistic body and foot and all that out of the marble.
01:04:20.000I bet there's a bunch of dudes jacking off on a statue of a giant cock.
01:04:24.000They probably took the cock and they were buttfucking the statue in the middle of the square, backing each other up on the statue of this giant cock.
01:04:30.000I just heard back in the day if you had a big ol' dick in the Roman times, they made fun of you.
01:05:02.000There's people get mad that you're mocking white people.
01:05:05.000Like, man, why don't you fucking leave us white people alone?
01:05:07.000You know, all the privilege that white people have, it's still not enough for you to be able to mock them.
01:05:10.000Take your four pound dick and get out of here.
01:05:13.000Dudes with giant dicks, you got a green light.
01:05:15.000If you can find something about that guy that you can make fun of, if you can make fun of that dude, nobody's going to back him up.
01:05:21.000Nobody's going to come along and say, hey dude with the big giant dick, you know man, I feel your pain.
01:05:26.000It's the bullshit they're mocking your giant super fucking alpha hog, that giant dick that all the women want, that huge veiny monster of destruction that you're swinging.
01:05:38.000The one thing that a dude cannot own up to.
01:07:31.000Whatever it was, 13 or 14. I was living in Jamaica Plain.
01:07:33.000And my mom took me to the Boy Scout thing and this fucking dude who was a Scoutmaster was hitting on my mom.
01:07:39.000Like hard and my mom was like blushing and she was trying to be polite about it But I remember like this is creepy this dude's hitting on my mom in front of me And I gotta go camping with this asshole and he was like hey, what's up with your mom like she's married my dad You're getting extra marshmallows and shit.
01:07:53.000I didn't get any extra marshmallows I went to camp with a bunch of fucking hoodlums.
01:10:07.000Well, my mom wasn't there, so she didn't come for about two weeks, and he kept asking me why I wasn't going on more trips, because I was just taken.
01:10:14.000I was, like, not signed up for any more canoe trips.
01:15:16.000So anyway, I started avoiding the dude.
01:15:18.000And then one time I'm fishing, and there was two areas.
01:15:22.000There was one area where Jamaica Pond was, was the big area, and then there was this other smaller pond that was off, like, you know, like a few blocks to the left.
01:15:30.000Sometimes we would go to that pond, because no one ever went there, and it did have some good fish in there, and every now and then, like, it had different kind of fish.
01:15:36.000It had, like, pickerel and all these different kind of fish.
01:16:10.000I had a Swiss Army knife, one of those little red plastic handle Swiss Army knives, and I had it in my pocket, and I put my hand on the knife.
01:16:16.000And I didn't want to pull it out, but I wanted to have it on me.
01:16:20.000And I remember thinking, I might have to fucking stab this guy.
01:16:42.000If this guy beats me up and fucking kills me and stabs me, no one's going to hear me.
01:16:47.000I'm in this really kind of wooded area.
01:16:49.000And so I told him, you better fucking leave me alone or something like that.
01:16:53.000Whatever words I was able to muster being scared out of my mind at 13. And then years later, after I had moved, this is where it got really creepy.
01:17:02.000He sent a letter to my house when I was like 16 or 17 or something like that.
01:17:36.000One of the most traumatic experiences for me, I was in Saudi Arabia with my buddy Michael and in Saudi there was nowhere to play so you would just go play in these like abandoned lots and you know whatever we'd find cars that were old but you'd break them up as you're doing what 13 year olds do, 14, 13 and I'll never forget I see a guy I couldn't understand what the guy was doing at the trunk of his car.
01:18:18.000Fucking, yeah, fucking the guy in his ass.
01:18:21.000So I couldn't, I could just see an ass sticking out of a trunk.
01:18:25.000And he had his, I was 13, me and my friend Michael, and he was jamming, he was fucking standing up, and I was like, and I go, I remember, I go, I was kind of the leader of us two, and I go, I see it, he looks at me, and he didn't say anything, he just looks at me with a blank expression as he's just drilling some poor gimp in some Cadillac.
01:22:49.000You got lucky, but I'm not saying that would have happened.
01:22:51.000You would have stood around while the guy jerked off, but I am saying it's possible that a guy, when you were 11, could have lied down and say, hey, you want to rub on top of me or no?
01:22:59.000And you would have been like, what the What the fuck?
01:27:17.000He's doing one-arm presses and then full deep squats.
01:27:20.000So this guy, in the course of us watching him, we're assuming that's about 50 pounds, has probably done, like, what, 30 or 40 deep squats with that 50-pound kettlebell over his head, and he continues to do it.
01:29:39.000Post-training session, great super athlete.
01:29:42.000Because the kettlebells being a Russian invention, you know, like you see Fedor with all these kettlebells around him, it sort of signifies like this was a different motherfucker.
01:33:02.000Open weight Grand Prix tournament pretty much we knew who it was but then last minute like guys were getting added Josh Barnett I think was one of the later editions I might be wrong about that though, but I mean you look at that lineup Barnett, Noguera, Crow Cop, Hunt Jesus fucking Christ Those days man.
01:33:19.000Toughest motherfuckers on the planet Yeah, it's interesting when you think about that time, the Wild West days of Pride, you know, head stomps and soccer kicks on the ground when Vanderlei fought Tamora and he was holding off the rope and stomping on his face.
01:33:35.000Bro, when Crow Cop fought Ron Waterman and soccer kicked him in the face?
01:37:01.000But he was putting it on him before that.
01:37:03.000I was really impressed with his striking.
01:37:05.000Like, Ken Shamrock doesn't get enough credit because he fought Tito Ortiz when he was already, you know, past his prime and his knee was fucked up when he fought Tito.
01:37:14.000The first time he fought Tito, he basically didn't have an ACL. Wow.
01:45:57.000And so that when these fighters would fight, they would have this welcome feeling of being at home because Burt Watson was there to take care of everything.
01:46:04.000When you'd see him, everything would be okay.
01:46:06.000Yeah, I mean, when you're going to fight these monsters and you check into the fighter hotel and it's like chaos, there's fans, and then you see Burt and he's just like, what's up, baby?
01:46:15.000Everything's smooth, makes you feel calm.
01:46:18.000Even in the back of the locker room, don't leave it to the judges.
01:46:21.000Like, before I fought Travis Brown, remember that?
01:48:02.000This guy, we used to train American Bulldogs for attack training.
01:48:07.000And he had this dog on a leash called Axe, and we went and saw all those dogs because at the time I was thinking about buying an American Bulldog.
01:48:14.000And he said, you can't go near that dog over there.
01:48:21.000And then they were talking about how there was a guy who just could walk up to every single dog he had in that whole lot, and he had a bunch of them.
01:48:30.000And at one point, Axe was just the only person that Axe lets near him is this dude.
01:48:35.000And they didn't tell him not to go up to Axe.
01:51:53.000There's a helicopter convoy of three helicopters.
01:51:55.000The one in front of him gets hit with an RPG. They have to force land in a fucking sandstorm, and they're stuck in the sandstorm for two days.
01:52:01.000That story's awesome, and that story's true.
01:52:20.000They landed, they got rid of their cargo, and then they met up with the other helicopter that got hit by the RPG. That's why they were an hour behind it.
01:52:37.000Then when he landed, or then when he told his story, two other people came out and said, no, they were the guys that were flying Brian Williams around, and he didn't fly him around.
01:52:50.000He said, I have suppressed this so much, and this is a guy who's a totally legit guy, and he said, I'm starting to get nightmares again, and I had already put this behind me.
01:52:58.000Now you're making me relive this experience from 12 years ago, and I'm starting to question my own memory.
01:53:02.000Which is super common in traumatic situations.
01:53:06.000Like, for Brian Williams, let's be real.
01:53:08.000I don't know that dude, but I guarantee you he's a pussy.
01:53:21.000That's not the way a goddamn man apologizes for fucking up.
01:53:24.000What he should have done was instead of doing it that way where you're in some constricted time of 15 seconds they allot you to try to clear your name, you should do it on a YouTube video.
01:53:35.000You should put a goddamn camera in front of you and as long as it takes to get your full thoughts out about how this possibly could have happened or that you did lie or what it was or that you got caught up in it and somebody repeated it and you almost forgot because you kept telling the story.
01:54:55.000What I'm saying is, when I say Anderson's the best of all time, I'm not taking away his previous accomplishments because he fucked up when he was 39 years old.
01:55:02.000What I'm saying is, if I look at him in his prime, from Chris Lieben all the way to Vitor Belfort to fucking Stefan Bonner, if I look at his fights, Dan Henderson...
01:56:03.000A journalist's credibility and an organization's credibility is everything when it comes to the news.
01:56:08.000When you're a journalist and you have a story, you have to have, I think, depending on where you're at, they cross-check your You've got to get very, very good sources, and I think an editorial board has to okay it.
01:58:03.000If he's desperate for money, I can understand that.
01:58:04.000I'm just saying that typically when people behave a certain way and they get caught, they've probably done something like that in the past.
01:58:51.000The reason Brian Williams made $10 million a year is because he was the face of NBC News.
01:58:55.000And when you brought him into your living room, like everybody did, what happened was you do that because when you get news from him, you believe it.
02:00:23.000Well, Williamson was considered by people, I've only read this, I don't know, and I can't give you examples.
02:00:27.000He was recognized by a lot of people who wrote about this afterwards as a pretty good journalist that got him to where he was, got him to be an anchor of NBC. He was a credible journalist who did good work, who wrote good articles and did good investigation.
02:00:42.000And that's why it was such a bummer for so many people.
02:00:46.000By a lot of accounts, I don't give a shit.
02:01:20.000But a free, honest, and open press and knowing that you can trust the information you get, say, from the New York Times because they work very hard at making sure at least that the stories or the information, not the stories or the slant, but the information presented.
02:01:36.000So, for example, somebody gets shot, a 12-year-old gets shot.
02:02:49.000It was important back in the day when they didn't have fucking reading.
02:02:52.000They would get on TV and you'd read your newspaper in the morning and then in the afternoon you would listen to the news or you would watch the news.
02:03:34.000Focus on what's wrong, not what's right, self-fear, all these things.
02:03:37.000Well, not only that, it's a disproportionate and non-accurate view of the world.
02:03:45.000Because by only focusing on these negative things and not focusing on the Fucking hundreds of millions of positive things that are happening all the time all over the world.
02:03:54.000You're getting this distorted version of reality that threatens people and makes people alert and react to stress.
02:04:24.000What's going on about ISIS in fucking Marina del Rey?
02:04:26.000You're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, about my uncle.
02:04:28.000No, I was going to say that what I think the damage done is that you don't get any real information.
02:04:35.000I was having a conversation with somebody who really knows the Middle East, and they were like, nobody ever talks about the biggest problem with two things.
02:04:42.000First of all, the Middle East is the Sunni-Shia schism, the idea that you start there.
02:04:46.000We don't even know where to start with the debate.
02:04:48.000We start talking about ISIS. We start talking about the problems that bother us, and we don't actually really know where the source of the problem is.
02:04:55.000We don't know how it started, because you don't get it from what you were saying.
02:04:59.000Well, you get it from CNN and Dateline, and you assume this guy's the...
02:07:25.000Because you can't have a really hairstyle and train a ton.
02:07:28.000Putting gel in your hair would feel like a...
02:07:30.000Dude, I know you had a neck injury for a while.
02:07:34.000This dude does rolfing, and he's got this fucking crazy metal piece that's wrapped in a soft plastic, like a thin sheet of plastic around it.
02:07:47.000So it's semi-soft on the outside, but underneath it's iron, steel, whatever the fuck it is.
02:09:03.000Bulging disc that's pushing on your nerve.
02:09:05.000You're making it look like your nerve is acting weird.
02:09:08.000No, your nerve is being squashed by your fucking, the soft shit in between your bones and your spine is pushing against your fucking nerve.
02:13:00.000When people go to see her, it's an oddity.
02:13:02.000She's a 60-year-old woman in her underwear who's dancing around with a bunch of gay guys following her everywhere she goes and hanging on her every word.
02:13:07.000She got yanked off stage the other day.
02:15:51.000One of the things I was going to get to is Boss, when he was on, I think, Sons of Anarchy, one of those shows, he did a stunt, and he's doing his own stunt work, and they landed him on his head.
02:17:27.000I mean, if you have to do something like that, it's definitely not well enough.
02:17:30.000Oftentimes they wear padding, and they do their best, but look, they're taking bumps no matter what, and their head's getting jostled around.
02:18:12.000They were saying that that fucking movie that was not CGI, when they did those car accidents in that movie, all the car accidents in Nightcrawler, I'm pretty sure it was him.
02:21:05.000But we're sitting there talking for 15 minutes, and I remember looking at him going, and he was complimenting on my job I did in the reading.
02:21:17.000And Jeremy goes, he said, you did a good job 13 times.
02:22:46.000We talked about Dan Gable's wrestling camp, because I went to Dan Gable's intensive wrestling camp in Iowa, between my junior and senior year of high school, and he said he would have loved to have, but he couldn't afford it.
02:22:55.000We were holding our dicks, and I remember thinking, I'm pissing with Tom Cruise.
02:23:47.000He put a picture of him on Twitter with his fucking white belt and a gi showing up at this fucking jiu-jitsu place, at Carlson Gracie's place.
02:24:30.000If I met Clint Eastwood, even though I think he's a silly bitch, you know, that thing he did with Obama when he was talking down to him in a chair, it's still Clint Eastwood.
02:24:36.000I mean, he's a crazy old man now, kind of.
02:26:42.000It's not hating on someone to tell the truth.
02:26:45.000It's hating on the rest of the population to pretend that truth doesn't exist and to not take those facts into consideration when you're discussing a story.
02:26:52.000I hate that, but he's the greatest American sniper ever, ever.
02:26:59.000Whether he's lying or not, that's true.
02:31:22.000It doesn't mean he gets a pass for lying and making up stories about not only killing looters in New Orleans who are stealing stuff, which is already illegal and considered murder under the laws of this land.
02:33:23.000It could very well have been that he was trying to sell books, and it could also very well be that we were talking before.
02:33:28.000Maybe we need to understand a little bit better, since none of us went to war, What kind of mental toll that takes on a person and that you kind of shouldn't expect them to be completely fine with everything when they come back.
02:33:42.000And some of them are gonna make shit up and maybe they're making shit up because reality is so fucking crazy that they don't want to deal with it anymore.
02:33:50.000Or maybe he's so fucked up he thinks it's real.
02:33:53.000Maybe he had a situation where he was in New Orleans and he thought about shooting, didn't happen, but he goes to war, something happens, like, did that happen?
02:34:09.000And it's not even giving him an excuse.
02:34:11.000What we're saying is we're just looking at the possibilities.
02:34:14.000Instead of saying, hey, this is a guy that was full of shit and he lied about that and he's a bad person, this is a guy that was forced to do some anti-human shit for the government.
02:34:26.000We know certain people that are high-profile people that get criticized a lot and they're hated on, and you know them pretty intimately, and it's like...
02:36:58.000I haven't formulated an opinion on anything.
02:36:59.000You've got to think that when someone has killed that many people for the government, they give them a green light to kill that many people and to kill 160 people.
02:37:06.000The idea of telling a lie about something, it's really no big deal.
02:37:09.000That guy killing 160 people doing all these tours...
02:37:13.000You know, in war, should get a million dollars from the U.S. government for the rest of his life.
02:37:18.000He should be financially set for the rest of his life.
02:37:54.000It's also really hard when you're a sniper, you're, I don't know this, but I do know that a combatant can be even a child running munitions to a mortar.
02:38:02.000And if that child's doing that or a guy's looking at you with binoculars and trying to get a beat on your position, you take them out.
02:38:09.000That's hard for a soldier who gets in command, take that guy out, shoot that kid, shoot that woman because she happens to be somebody who's aiming the enemy.
02:38:15.000Chris Cowell had to do that if you watched the movie.
02:38:33.000That's why all these guys coming back from war, that's one way to make America a little bit more polite, running into a bunch of people that just got back from killing a bunch of other people.
02:38:44.000People have a different attitude when you've been to a war.
02:38:51.000That's important as a culture, as a society that sort of wants to gloss over war and wants to glorify it and make it out to be all this John Wayne shit.
02:39:00.000We have to look at what the fuck has really happened to these people psychologically.
02:40:28.000But then you get put in these situations where they have no experience.
02:40:31.000They don't know if this kid's going to shoot or not.
02:40:32.000So like, dang, my life, his, they shoot, and then there's this big uproar.
02:40:36.000It's similar to what we were talking about earlier with referees.
02:40:38.000If referees make a mistake, you're making a mistake, and a guy is going to take some fucking punishment because of that mistake, you're not designed to handle those high-pressure situations, or you're not qualified because you don't understand martial arts, or you're just not good at your job.
02:40:52.000Like, for whatever reason, not focused, whatever the fuck it is that makes you fuck up.
02:40:55.000But if you fuck up as a referee, it's way worse than if Bruce Buffer fucks up as an announcer.
02:41:00.000If Bruce Buffer mispronounces, Brian Casey!
02:41:05.000You know, you're like, oh god damn my name.
02:41:07.000It's not that bad, you know what I'm saying?
02:41:09.000If a cop fucks up, someone gets shot and dies, or he gets shot and dies, or he sees someone get shot and die that he could have prevented, all that stuff is too much for people.
02:41:20.000And to have that go on day after day, what do you have to look forward to?
02:41:22.000When you're 25, they give you a watch?
02:41:25.000You look at all the friends that you've had along the way that have blown their brains out or drank themselves to death or fill in the blank, done all kinds of crazy shit.
02:41:33.000My buddy was a SWAT team sergeant and he said he knew he had to get out when he was sitting down next to a body that they had shot and the coroners were doing all their vesting and he started eating a sandwich and it didn't occur to him.
02:41:45.000He was like, I'm sitting right next to a body and I'm this not phased.
02:42:04.000There was an interesting article that I put up the other day that, again, I don't know if it's true, but it was that this town in Texas hired a private security firm and crime dropped by 61%.
02:42:18.000And that with no financial incentive for there to be crime, because they were just compensated for their job, for what they do, for the hours on the job, they found less crime.
02:42:28.000They also patrolled areas that had the most crime instead of just arbitrarily deciding where people went based on whatever the fuck it was that they had decided on before.
02:42:38.000They targeted it, like, very tactically.
02:42:41.000And they cut back on crime by 61%, and it cost less money.
02:43:08.000It costs them less and there's less crime.
02:43:10.000They're not getting as much revenue from it, but they're also not arresting people for fucking nothing.
02:43:13.000So it's going to adjust the attitude of the people that live in the city.
02:43:16.000They're not going to be upset at cops all the time because they're not going to think that cops are just trying to pull people aside because they have criteria they have to meet.
02:43:33.000There's an intersection in Holland that's really, really busy, and the guy took all the road signs out, because there were a lot of accidents, and said, watch this, I'm going to take all road signs out, and people figured it out on their own, and he does this experiment where he walks, he puts his hands behind his back, and walks backward into the busiest intersection,
02:43:50.000and of course never gets hit, because people figure out how to navigate that crazy space on their own.
02:44:38.000When you privatize an area, the solution goes, when you privatize an area that tends to be policed better a lot of times than if the government has to do it.
02:44:47.000Right, but now this is where fucking some Alex Jones shit comes up.
02:45:13.000Look, if it works, I think that there's a lot of things that they do better when you take out bureaucracy, when you privatize them, when you offer them an incentive to be successful, and when they have some support of the community because the community actually likes them.
02:46:25.000There's some really good public schools out there, don't get me wrong.
02:46:27.000But if you had to look at them all per capita, like what's going to be the most formal education?
02:46:32.000What's going to be like the most comprehensive education?
02:46:34.000There's a lot of people that have a lot of money to take their kids to private schools because they think that their kids are going to get a better education.
02:46:40.000You look at the private universities, man.
02:46:42.000I mean, the good thing about universities is that people can get scholarships if they prove, you know, academically that they're superior, that they're excellent.
02:47:06.000And he was saying, one of the big problems with college is the reason why it costs so much is because it's all subsidized by the government.
02:47:10.000And because it's subsidized, these fucking loans have these ridiculous interest rates, and everybody gets roped in this incredible payment that they get stuck with.
02:47:17.000You get saddled up in debt before you even get out of school.
02:47:20.000You get out of school, you already owe fuck tons of money.
02:47:23.000The good thing about privatization is you can innovate according to your circumstances.
02:47:28.000A lot of times when you have top-down bureaucracy telling you what to do, regardless, it's hard to innovate.
02:48:12.000What do you do with the people that, not losers as is you're a loser, but the losers in society, the people who don't get a piece of the pie?
02:48:41.000I'm obviously not a fucking financial planner, but if I was, if I had to look at the country as far as allocation of resources, tax dollars, and how much money do we have, what do we spend it on, I would say let's triple, quadruple, even more the amount of money that goes into education.
02:48:57.000And anybody who wants to go to college should be able to go to college.
02:49:00.000The idea that you go to college and get saddled, and it sounds contradictory from what I said earlier because the best schools, a lot of them, are private today.
02:49:07.000But still, I still think that the public education should be so much better than it is now, and being a teacher should be worth so much more.
02:49:15.000It should be like a very prestigious position that's difficult to get and should be worth a lot of money.
02:49:21.000Even a PE teacher, what about a really good one?
02:49:22.000What about a really good PE teacher that teaches you about physiology, about explosive fast twitch muscle fibers that shows you how to get better in sports?
02:49:29.000Nah, what about the one that teaches you like kickball and fucking something?
02:49:34.000But why can't you have that kind of shit where you have a little kickball game with kids, but you also explain to them, this is what's going on when you're getting tired.
02:50:30.000Everybody has to learn the same thing.
02:50:31.000You better have some good teachers, man.
02:50:32.000And more importantly, they pay their teachers and their teachers have a great deal of esteem in the society.
02:50:38.000And Finland's school system is always outperforming almost every other country.
02:50:42.000And when I had the guy on who wrote this thing called Finnish Lessons, a book, he said, I don't even like talking about rankings because that's already the wrong way to look at it.
02:50:50.000And the problem with testing is that that's what happens is you, instead of focusing on understanding, and the other really interesting thing is he said, we focus on teaching people how to solve problems as a group.
02:51:01.000Because if you think about it, you do a lot of that when you work in a corporation or whatever.
02:51:14.000Well, actually, they do because they have to rely on each other to solve problems.
02:51:17.000So they'll give them a problem, and then they'll kind of let them solve that problem.
02:51:21.000And they try to mimic – As closely as they can, the real life situations and problems that they're going to come across when they are, for example, working for a company like Toyota or Nokia.
02:53:05.000Life is basically, I think life is, if you look at your life, life is working really hard to get to Accomplish something and losing to a degree anyway.
02:53:54.000Those rich guys who are surrounded by yes men and they come up wearing a shitty holiday sweater and you're like, nice fucking sweater and it ruins his night.
02:54:02.000No one ever hangs out with these guys, man.