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00:00:20.000Talking to Steve Rinella about, explaining to him how to, assuming you were saying tighten up his ass because you were going to come inside of it.
00:01:40.000It's just that when something goes wrong, it's so disturbing for us that we get upset and we lump all other folks into the same category that that person came from, almost to protect ourselves.
00:02:03.000It's not a nicer prejudice because they just have a Southern accent and they live down there and you think it's cute to think they're retarded.
00:03:27.000I think it's called clean skin terrorist.
00:03:30.000That's what they they think of as like some Homegrown nutty dude.
00:03:34.000I was listening to this fucking radio lab podcast about these dudes these white supremacist dudes that were planning this mass murder and they were infiltrated by the FBI Jesus it was fascinating man Goddamn that national public radio podcast radio lab is one of the best things ever not just like on podcast but as far as like If it was a movie,
00:03:57.000it would be one of the best things ever.
00:03:58.000If it was a TV show, it would be one of the best things ever.
00:04:45.000Well, you gotta think, like, every terrorist, every dude who blows a fuse, there has to be, like, there's a moment where you could get to, like, a certain age.
00:04:55.000You could be, like, pretty nutty and get to a certain age without a criminal record.
00:04:58.000And then, all the time, you're, like, building up for the one big nutty event.
00:05:02.000Those are the scary guys that inside, live inside, and then they're just waiting for action.
00:05:07.000Yeah, they're terrified, and they just, they're fantasizing, they're going over their head, going over their head, and then they finally explode.
00:05:19.000Because if we could stop all people that would wantonly want to create war for profit, if we could stop all people that would act in the name of global aggression for financial gain, if we could stop all that,
00:05:34.000we would all do it, and then we would have a way crazier world.
00:05:37.000If we had a world where Everybody was basically really nice.
00:05:42.000Although you're suggesting, and the way you frame that is you're assuming that people that are aggressive or create aggression or are the aggressors are doing it only for, and a lot of people think this, only for certain And always has to be.
00:06:45.000One motivated fanatic with a large enough bomb on his back could blow up St. Peter's Cathedral or could kill I don't know how many people.
00:06:55.000And that's what's so hard is that the things that take so long to build are so easy to destroy.
00:07:02.000As technology grows, it's going to become more and more a factor and more and more a reality where one person or a small group can get their hands on devastating technology to destroy something impossibly huge.
00:07:17.000I think aggression is always going to be around and...
00:07:21.000When you say, you know, I wonder how those people are made, I don't know that it's going to be done by that one crazy, because one crazy can't get his hands on massive amounts of weaponry.
00:07:29.000He's usually one guy, and he carries a gun, and he does enough damage.
00:07:32.000Well, how about these kids in the Boston bombings?
00:07:35.000I mean, they were fairly clean-skinned terrorists, right?
00:07:38.000They were, and they killed, I think, six people.
00:07:41.000I can't remember what the thing is, but that's always tragic.
00:07:45.000What I'm saying is that The bigger threat is less aggression and more sort of warped ideology that moves and motivates a large group of people into aggression.
00:08:43.000Why do these fanatical guys have support from the Sunni population?
00:08:47.000It has nothing to do with whether those Sunni people who are good people, like you just said, most people are really good people.
00:08:54.000They are giving support to a fanatical group of people because they are their best hedge and their best bet against what's called Shia aggression in their eyes.
00:09:03.000So the Shia who dominate the south of Iraq, who sit on most of the oil down there.
00:09:09.000If the Sunnis don't cut out a little place for themselves using this crazy group called ISIS, they could be left in the future in real fucking trouble.
00:09:20.000And so again, now we're talking about they're using aggression, in their eyes, as a form of self-defense.
00:09:27.000If you were a Sunni Iraqi, you'd have a very different idea and context of what ISIS is, as opposed to you and I, who get our information.
00:09:36.000And again, there's nothing to admire about those guys.
00:10:13.000It's one of the biggest problems we're gonna have with people that have seen it and don't have to imagine it anymore, trying to forget it, trying to be normal again.
00:10:22.000And you ask a fucking hell of a lot of people, and how do you help them through that?
00:10:28.000And what kind of counseling, mental health counseling?
00:10:32.000It's a really good question because they always say after a war and after the revolution and after whatever happens and a country settles, everybody always forgets about the victims.
00:10:41.000There's never really any kind of infrastructure to help people in Sierra Leone that got their arms hacked off, that saw their kids killed in front of them and stuff like that.
00:10:49.000Is it possible that because of the ability that we have right now to translate languages so quickly, you know, which is really unprecedented?
00:10:58.000It's something that people don't think about that much, but there's all sorts of software now, just on a regular phone, that can look at images and translate them to English on your screen.
00:11:07.000You could ask questions and have those questions immediately translated into Spanish.
00:11:14.000There's all these programs they have now.
00:11:16.000It's way easier to understand other languages than it ever has been before.
00:11:21.000To decipher actual texts in real time that really never existed before.
00:11:26.000And that kind of technology is going to slowly but surely break down a lot of barriers and a lot of like ideas that we have about each other.
00:11:35.000Well, less so language and I think more so the fact that we can not only see suffering in real time with cameras and the internet, but we are also starting to see that cultures, whether they're Indian or South Korea, are really similar to Americans.
00:11:50.000You know, with K-pop, I mean, Korea's got all their K-pop and stuff, but more importantly, when you see their artistic expressions, they're making movies, Slumdog Millionaire, you see an Indian kid who has the same dreams and aspirations as anybody does.
00:12:03.000I think that goes a longer way in bringing people into sort of a collective notion, and it already has, people like Steven Pinker would argue, that...
00:12:12.000That it's becoming easier to identify with other people's suffering because we identify with a lot of aspects of how they live their lives to begin with.
00:12:24.000It's no longer like, who are those strange people with dark skin?
00:12:27.000Nowadays, you know, people are dressing the same no matter where you go.
00:12:32.000You know, and I got recognized on the plane from a woman from Bombay, from Mumbai, because she watches How I Met Your Mother.
00:12:39.000And told me all her friends love How I Met Your Mother.
00:12:42.000And she was flipping out that the guy from How I Met Your Mother was sitting next to her.
00:13:02.000And so we are sharing artistic experience.
00:13:06.000We're sharing experience in high relief, usually in movies and TV. And that's, in a lot of ways, that's going to go a lot farther than being able to download a language, because that's always going to take more time.
00:13:18.000Well, if we all just spoke the same language, it would be really fucking boring.
00:13:23.000But it would be really cool if we understood what the fuck everybody was saying all the time.
00:13:29.000You know, I think it would smooth out a lot of shit between people.
00:13:34.000I really got to think that like if we could have like real-time conversations with like Kim Jong-un You know if you could have a real-time conversation with that dude and sit down and go what is your life like?
00:13:47.000Explain to me like what was childhood like for you?
00:13:49.000What's the environment around you all the time?
00:14:03.000Dennis Rodman was a great spokesman for him, wasn't he?
00:14:06.000Dennis Rodman comes down and hangs with that dude and plays basketball and shit and then leaves.
00:14:11.000Like, what kind of fucking bizarro reality TV world are we living in where Dennis Rodman just hops on private jets and hangs out with the king of North Korea?
00:14:21.000Be the greatest reality show ever made.
00:16:28.000We're so lucky we can walk away from things we don't like.
00:16:31.000Because most of the world has to live with something they don't like, including a government that tells them what to do and tells them where to live and tells them where they're going.
00:16:40.000I don't know if this is propaganda or not.
00:16:58.000Yes, because they were not grieving hard enough.
00:17:01.000So you see these pictures of them beating their chest and crying, party members, crying for, you know, nobody wanted to be the first person to stop crying, so they're crying for hours.
00:18:38.000Against or for the original founder of North Korea, Kim Jong Il's father, if they were in opposition to him, you live in a very shitty neighborhood.
00:18:48.000If they were a lie to him, three generations later, you live in a good neighborhood.
00:20:09.000It's it is it's it's madness It's probably what a lot of history was about when you had a king and they were he was absolute ruler and If he was a sociopath luckily if you if you're lucky you got a good king Somebody wasn't crazy goddamn dude.
00:20:23.000That is the nuttiest shit of all nutty shit The fact that there's a still a country of millions of people that live like that.
00:20:33.000And whenever, you know, people talk about privilege, white privilege, black privilege, whatever kind of privilege you might have, heterosexual privilege, here's the biggest privilege.
00:24:42.000Anyway, I mean, there's a bunch of different things, different events that have happened all over the world where people kept their mouth shut, plotted them, and executed them.
00:25:53.000And Serbia was looking for their independence.
00:25:55.000So they said, we're going to kill this guy.
00:25:57.000And he was in an open car with his wife.
00:25:58.000And he was in a parade, and one of the Serbian terrorists came running out with a grenade or a bomb, threw it at the car, and it had a faulty thing, and it blew up under the other car, and six people were very badly injured.
00:26:41.000So now, they say, well, we missed our assassination attempt.
00:26:46.000This guy, Carvillo Princip, who was part of this whole group, goes in for a sandwich.
00:26:52.000And as the Archduke Ferdinand said, let's get you out of here, he says, no, I want to go to the hospital and I want to check on all the survivors of this bombing.
00:27:00.000So they go down a road and the guy misses his turn.
00:27:04.000And he misses his turn, and now he decides to back up.
00:27:07.000And as he's backing up, the car stalls.
00:27:09.000And they've got to kind of figure it out.
00:27:10.000And as the car stalls because he missed a turn, a guy named Carvillo Princip, part of this Serbian thing, comes walking out with a sandwich, and he goes, what the fuck?
00:27:24.000And that was because the driver missed a turn and was backing up, and Carvillo, by coincidence, just sees the Archduke and shoots him.
00:27:31.000And that pin, as Dan Carlin says, that created the hand grenade that was World War I and World War II was because a driver missed a turn and because one terrorist, one 20-year-old guy, had a gun in his hand and said, that guy's a bad guy,
00:28:31.000You will understand what it was like to live in that time, as best as anybody could ever describe it, in a way that is so ultimately paralyzingly terrifying that 900 years later, whatever the fuck it is.
00:28:45.000Oh, you mean because you're huddled in your church with your family and they're at the gates and they're bashing your gates down and you know they're going to come in and kill everybody?
00:30:45.000And they would chase, because they would ferment the milk, and the way they would hunt animals, they would do the same with humans.
00:30:52.000They would sort of push them all into one area, then create an opening for them to run through, and then they'd be waiting with a party there.
00:30:59.000They were so, just daily existence was so physical and violent, you know?
00:31:03.000And they had ultimate disdain for people that lived behind walls.
00:31:54.000So when he's telling you these stories, it's not just really cool information, which it most absolutely is, but it's the way he's written it all and put it together and worded it.
00:32:33.000It's so much more entertaining than any other history thing I've ever witnessed, watched, listened to.
00:32:41.000I mean, I've spent enough time over the past 20 years at least listening to different kinds of, like, the turning points in European history and, you know, from the teaching company.
00:36:18.000You were looking at a human being, and what I think they did an amazing job was, as evil as he was, they were putting him in impossible situations.
00:36:25.000You couldn't run that fucking crime family without being a complete motherfucker.
00:36:30.000Yet, he had to run his own family, make his marriage work and all that shit.
00:36:34.000I think a lot of people identified with how impossible life is that way.
00:36:38.000Yeah, it's an extreme example, but you know, it's it is really it's like we could almost If you were born that guy and that guy's family and that guy's life and that guy's neighborhood with that guy's experiences You would be in the exact same situation as he is right now a chain of events from the time you were shot out of your mother's vajayjay That's right has led you to where you're at.
00:36:58.000It's just like looking at those North Korean people man should they pull themselves up by their bootstraps like What should they do?
00:37:04.000Like, to anyone to say that, hey, hey, you know what?
00:37:17.000Like, if they wanted to, they could do it.
00:37:19.000Like, do you know what the fuck you said, you anecdotal asshole?
00:37:22.000You tell one shitty story about some supposed friend that probably doesn't even exist that was born in the steppe, I remember the argument with Saddam Hussein.
00:37:29.000It was like, if you make the sanctions strong enough, his people will get so miserable that they'll overthrow the government.
00:39:06.000We were in Napa, and we were talking about, what was the wine?
00:39:09.000It was Caymus, which is a high-end wine, like $200 bottle.
00:39:12.000And she was saying that the guy who makes the wine, I mean, when you buy Caymus wine in a restaurant, Please be ready to spend, if it's special select, $325.
00:39:19.000And you'd think, this is a genius winemaker.
00:39:48.000As soon as I saw that guy, and I saw that he was cooking tri-tips, I'm like, this motherfucker, I guarantee you could cook the shit out of a tri-tip.
00:43:59.000I can't see out of it, I'll tell you that much.
00:44:00.000And then there's this other one that they say, maybe Snopes this, Jamie, they say, did you know that fluoride in the water was pioneered by the Nazis for mind control?
00:46:27.000History shows, actually, that in Nazi Germany, one of the first things they did was add fluoride to the water in the ghettos where the Jews stayed.
00:46:35.000Matt Leffler of Cleveland told the county commissioner Tuesday before—well, what does it say here?
00:46:40.000If he's saying—okay, this is not saying whether it's real or not real or who knows.
00:46:56.000Yeah, I can almost guarantee you that it is indeed an urban myth, said Andy Hollinger, who handles the media relations at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum.
00:50:02.000And then it's like literally like right here and back.
00:50:06.000Like right where your brain still is, right in there.
00:50:10.000Apparently they think that this uncertain like lower animals, like snakes I think, or reptiles, that thing actually has a retina and a lens on it.
00:50:21.000I don't see where it says pineal gland on this thing.
00:51:37.000And eventually that thing will get to a point where it's capable of communicating with anybody within any reasonable distance instantaneously.
00:51:50.000So as this brain continues to get stronger, accumulate more information, accumulate more technological breakthroughs that allow it to do more things and manipulate matter more, as long as it stays alive, As long as the human organism stays alive,
00:52:06.000you've thought of it as a giant super thing.
00:52:09.000It's something that if you're looking at the in terms of like the creation of the earth, right?
00:52:17.000It took a long fucking time to go from the first version of the earth all the rocks The lava and the water and shit to what we have today takes a long ass time Well, I think the human organism takes a long ass time to become what it really is and what it really is is like the universe figured out how to build something that can make a universe and Well,
00:52:42.000I was going to say that the human brain is going to get to a point where it's able to replicate itself and then improve on itself.
00:52:48.000You'll be able to download other people's brains and you'll be able to send your download to other people's brains and you'll have an experience of what it's like to be that person.
00:52:56.000There's some people that resist this, because they say, look, we already right now don't know nearly enough about the biological functions of the human body.
00:53:11.000What I am saying, though, is it might not even matter.
00:53:14.000They might be able to come up with technology that completely circumvents all the biological bullshit that we have to deal with as far as processing proteins and phytonutrients and all that horseshit.
00:53:24.000We could possibly bypass that one day.
00:53:36.000I had them on my show, but I'm having them on the podcast real soon.
00:53:40.000Yeah, because I was talking, and he was talking about there are seven different, I guess, a cell, there are seven different ways a cell degenerates.
00:53:46.000And they're working on figuring out ways to stop that degeneration.
00:53:50.000It's a mechanical issue at this point, but they're isolating how a cell breaks down, why it does, and they're going to try to figure out a way to stop it.
00:53:57.000You know, I said nanotechnology and stuff.
00:54:01.000There's a chance that all your work could be circumnavigated by just that inexorable rise toward, you know, just kind of pushing us way beyond our biology with machines.
00:54:10.000And he was like, yeah, maybe, you know?
00:54:12.000I just think if you look at it in terms of the long haul, let's just assume that people are able to stay alive and not blow each other up or not get hit by a meteor for the long haul.
00:54:25.000Do you have any idea how goddamn crazy technology is going to be in a hundred years?
00:54:31.000So if anybody looks like it's poo-pooing us, we don't have the capabilities, don't you think that that's what they said back when they lived in caves?
00:55:06.000The allocation of resources mentally is very different now than it was before you could just ask Google a question.
00:55:13.000Some weird shit's gonna happen to the very brain itself if we start adding things to it, if we start putting in little transmitters or little things, little ways to wirelessly interface with each other.
00:55:26.000You and I have talked about this, that experiment that they did where they sent a word, they sent a couple words from one person to the other person through the internet and they received the word.
00:56:02.000Yeah, because it's moving so exponentially.
00:56:05.000And the minute machines start replicating themselves or building better machines, it comes with a very dark side, but it also comes from a very promising side.
00:56:17.000But a lot of them do because they think that they don't know enough about the human mind to even come close to saying that we could replicate it or download consciousness into a computer.
00:56:44.000It's too far away from our little pea brains right now.
00:56:48.000There could be kind of an interface that we can't even imagine.
00:56:52.000I think that if you can imagine it, I think that the human imagination exists because that is a window into what is actually possible.
00:57:02.000In other words, you know, I think that if you can imagine it, it's going to be a matter of time before it actually becomes something you can measure and see with your eye, your ear, or an instrument.
00:57:12.000I think it's going to be something you can actually touch.
00:57:15.000I think anything that, like you're talking about, downloading the human brain, communicating the way we communicate with radio waves, the way we text, texting each other with our brains, I don't think that's magic.
00:58:06.000The show should have been called Dead Baby Baboon.
00:58:10.000Because they showed like 10 fucking dead baby baboons.
00:58:14.000This scientist on TED Talk was talking about how humans are not the only animals that just kill each other because, you know, Because, you know, the animals kill out of dominance or food and stuff.
01:01:23.000Like, okay, if human beings didn't exist, if we just didn't exist at all on Earth, This fucking thing would be out there just like it is now.
01:01:53.000I mean, we made it to 2015 with cell phones and jet airplanes and microwave ovens and TVs and laptops and that fucking primate that came up with us?
01:02:04.000This fucker didn't make it out of the neighborhood.
01:02:07.000That's what they always say is the fundamental difference between human beings and animals, even though we're an animal.
01:02:25.000You're going to be smarter and better.
01:02:27.000Ten generations in that baboon, they're all going to be the same way.
01:02:30.000Well, that's interesting that you said that, because I keep saying Radiolab, but there was another podcast they did about instincts and Really?
01:03:31.000I mean, it was a welcome discovery, I'm sure.
01:03:33.000You're realizing, like, wow, how much of behavior, okay, like we're talking about North Korea and we're talking about America in 2015. Look at the difference between the way the cultures are allowed to communicate and express themselves.
01:03:45.000Just by this podcast, you could see the difference between someone who lives in a crazy...
01:03:51.000But this crazy dictatorship that they're living in is happening in the same timeline.
01:03:57.000Well, it goes back to also when you first started this podcast about talking about most people are great and there's a couple of assholes.
01:04:02.000It takes only a couple of assholes in charge to change the character of an entire society to and make people behave in a very crazy way.
01:04:11.000Those baboons changed when you took away the alpha.
01:04:13.000I wonder if North Koreans would be crying for three hours straight if they didn't have a fucking alpha male running their tribe who was that much of a fucking monster.
01:04:43.000I can't really remember names and specifics.
01:04:46.000I have to start talking in general terms because I'm afraid I'll make a mistake.
01:04:50.000I'm talking really about individual stories and individual subjects of news, especially, because I feel like if you got online every day and started scouring the news and looking for interesting things and seeing the The latest video.
01:05:04.000Did you see the silverback gorilla that slammed into the cage at the zoo?
01:05:42.000I can't believe he let that thing touch him.
01:05:45.000They're a lot less dangerous than that.
01:05:47.000They say gorillas have their own personality, so some can be really mean and some can be really sweet.
01:05:51.000I'm sure she was super sweet, but if she wanted to just pull your dick off and stuff it through your eyeball, she could anytime she wanted to.
01:05:58.000I think Coco might be a guy, isn't it?
01:08:33.000I went to the Santa Barbara Zoo like maybe six months ago or so and they have gorillas there and You just get like right up next to them in the in the glass and you look in and you see them walking around and they're you know, they're essentially just A few yards from you just right there walking around.
01:10:09.000Can you imagine these assholes are actually, and I say assholes with all due affection and admiration, but these dudes are in the middle of the fucking jungle just walking around with cameras in front of wild gorillas.
01:10:22.000Yeah, not to mention there are a bunch of really bad people in the Rwandan jungles.
01:13:17.000It seems that animals that kill a variety of things, or animals that eat a variety of things, I should say, are real omnivores, which bears are real omnivores, They don't necessarily kill things before they start eating them.
01:14:22.000And the men, their horns, because they slam heads together, sometimes they wedge their horns together in a way that they literally can't get out.
01:16:38.000But the point being, this is my whole point at the beginning of all this nonsense.
01:16:43.000I think that the need for separateness, like the need to defend yourself, the need to attack, the need for aggression, was all instilled in whatever animal the human being ultimately became,
01:16:59.000all instilled in To allow it to stay alive through the darkest times, the most primal times.
01:17:06.000Because without that aggression, guess what, fuckface?
01:17:08.000You're not going to make it to 2015. If you remove aggression from human history, we're bear food, we're coyote food, we're mountain lion food, we're, you know, fill in the blank.
01:17:17.000If you remove the need to figure out a way to stop You need to have a certain amount of personal sovereignty and a certain amount of aggression.
01:17:28.000You have to fight off anything that is predatory, anything that is going to threaten the survival of your very species until you figure out how to get it together.
01:17:38.000So, from the beginning when people made the first houses, to figuring out how to make gates to keep other people out, to figuring out how to keep themselves safe from predatory animals, and all those steps were like super necessary to get to today.
01:17:53.000But, at a certain point in time, when do we outgrow that expression?
01:17:59.000We're so dominant over all the other animals.
01:18:01.000We don't have to worry about that anymore.
01:18:03.000And the only problem we have with each other, it seems to be like allocation of resources.
01:18:34.000They're going to spend some untold fucking buckets load of cash.
01:18:39.000Yeah, and they're going to make this desalination plan.
01:18:42.000If that's true, what you want to do is buy real estate on Catalina Island, because it's going to be a road that leads out there, because we're going to dry out the ocean.
01:19:00.000We're just going to be pulling billions of gallons.
01:19:03.000People are like, if we don't stop drinking out of the ocean, it will be dry by 2075. By 2075, all the water will be in golf courses and bottled water facilities.
01:19:15.000There'll be no water in the whole ocean.
01:19:20.000Well, they did that, what, to the Aral Sea?
01:19:23.000The Aral Sea was the ecological disaster that was the Aral Sea and then it dried up in Russia?
01:19:30.000Is that what it's called, the Aral Sea?
01:19:31.000And it dried up because people pulled the water out of it?
01:19:34.000It just became an ecological disaster for a lot of reasons and apparently the algae grew so much and there was too much hydrogen in the water and then there's a thousand things and they were siphoning the water off with dams and rivers and it became a disaster.
01:20:17.000And because of mismanagement and using the water irresponsibly for agriculture, and so damming up parts of it, running off parts of it, they literally got rid of the sea.
01:20:41.000Yeah, it's also very common, that kind of short-sighted thinking.
01:20:45.000But it is also fascinating because you're looking at the underlying mechanisms of the very thing we were talking about, that this human animal is like figuring out all kinds of shit all the time.
01:20:58.000And it has the power to reshape land now and make areas uninhabitable with an error, you know, or bring them to life with an error, like the Salton Sea.
01:22:35.000When Saddam Hussein was in power in Iraq, there was an area, I think in the south of Iraq, and there lived people called the Marsh Arabs, who had been there for millennia.
01:22:47.000And when he found out that a lot of the Iranian forces were using it as sort of a hotbed of insurgency and also using it for strategic stuff for the Iran-Iraq war, He, in one of the greatest ecological disasters ever committed by one man,
01:23:36.000Some people just take things to a completely different level when it comes to like aggression and psychotic behavior and it becomes a total game changer.
01:23:46.000It's just like no one knows what to do.
01:23:48.000It takes hundreds of years to recover from what this person does.
01:23:51.000They say that the Middle East never really recovered from what the Mongols did in 1220 or something.
01:23:57.000Whatever it was, somewhere in the 1200s.
01:24:14.000So all the Islamic scholars, who at the time, like, people have this idea of Islam, especially when it comes to history, like the history of the world, as being this barbaric or very violent group that's willing to kill you because you draw their cartoon character guy.
01:24:31.000Yeah, obviously there are people like that out there that believe in that.
01:24:37.000But if you go back to the history of the religion, at one point in time, they were at the front of the line.
01:24:43.000When it came to science and philosophy, they were at the front of the line.
01:24:47.000And a lot of people argue that what the Mongols did literally changed the age of the Enlightenment for them.
01:24:54.000That's right, because what they did, the Chinese and the Middle East, It allowed the Europeans, who are nowhere close to as technologically advanced as philosophically or even as culturally advanced as, say, the Middle East,
01:25:09.000it allowed them to gain ground on both China and the Middle East because of what the Mongols did to them, because it had destroyed in the course of, you know, Over the years just destroyed the centers of their civilization, their infrastructure, their canals for agriculture,
01:25:25.000all of their, just essentially their culture.
01:25:28.000Killed their best and their brightest.
01:25:31.000Yeah, it's really amazing how many people they killed.
01:25:34.000When you look at the number that Dan Carlin cites, it's somewhere around 50 million, they believe, that died within his lifetime as a result of the decisions that he made and the orders that he had carried out.
01:25:48.000Well, he believed, you know, one of the things he ends, yeah, he ends the thing with saying, say what you will, the force of his nature, the strength of his nature, he truly believed he was This divine spirit who had a mission to remake the world in his mind's eye.
01:26:09.000Like, he was the center of the universe and everything belonged to him and his legacy.
01:26:14.000What a crazy way to think to begin with.
01:26:18.000And the fact that it worked, and he did it all on horseback.
01:26:21.000Did it all on horseback, and he had an amazing ability, which one of the things I found most unique about this narration by Dan Carlin was when he was talking about how the guy would, when he would find people that were really talented, that were the enemy, he would recruit them.
01:26:48.000Like the idea that you would take a guy who tried to fucking kill you and shot your horse out from under you and then say, dude, you're a pretty fucking good shot.
01:27:49.000I don't know much if they talked about it because they were so busy killing each other with arrows and swords and shit and spears and catapults.
01:27:57.000I don't think the wrestling was like paramount.
01:28:00.000You're talking about a group of people though that That fought with their hands, up close, eyeball to eyeball, and did it.
01:28:06.000And all the guys that we're talking about who were coming into your village or your town had plenty of experience with that in that space.
01:28:15.000Like, when you're fighting for your life, when you're really killing somebody, I'd imagine it's a very different muscle.
01:28:20.000If you're using very different muscles, you're using a very different mindset.
01:28:23.000So I would imagine they had a lot of martial sense.
01:28:27.000They probably were pretty good with hand-to-hand combat.
01:28:51.000That indicates that, because by the time we got the highest versions of martial arts in the 50s and the 60s and the 70s, if you really compare some of the top guys to what's possible today, it seems like it's evolved many,
01:29:06.000many, many, many, many, many, many times.
01:30:15.000And I think that the genetics that come from that area...
01:30:21.000You know, there's from Siberia and from the steppe and Mongols and there's like the genetics of survivors of hundreds of years, thousands of years of oppression and war.
01:30:33.000It's almost a distillation of like the strongest survive, just to be born and live to maturity.
01:30:41.000People don't like that because it seems to indicate some sort of cruelty of nature.
01:30:46.000But I think to really not be objective about it is real cruelty.
01:30:51.000Because then if you're not expressing it for what it really is, you're not seeing it for what it really is and expressing it in an honest way, if you're expressing it through an ideology, you're doing everybody a massive disservice.
01:31:05.000Because it's pretty obvious that aggression was necessary and beneficial to get us to here.
01:31:11.000I think everybody recognizing that would help the idea of like, okay, so if we really did need to do certain military actions in order to stop certain psychos from growing and marching forward and taking over giant chunks of land,
01:31:28.000just like they have throughout the Mongol days, and this person, and Philip Alexander the Great.
01:31:33.000There's always been someone that does that, right?
01:31:34.000So you need some sort of defense to hold that off.
01:32:06.000You know, it's not in the middle of Baghdad in a place that doesn't even have a roof anymore because the soldiers blew it off with their robot flying thing.
01:32:19.000So anybody that doesn't think you need some sort of military force until that is all eradicated.
01:32:24.000So that becomes like the real question.
01:32:26.000You gotta figure out how do you eradicate all the shitty pockets of life on earth?
01:32:32.000And I don't mean like eradicate the people.
01:32:33.000I mean eradicate the problems that make those people shitty.
01:32:36.000That's a good way to say it, by the way, because you have to eradicate the problems and the way a country, the institutions that give rise to evil people.
01:32:45.000If you have a society that's structured, if you have institutions that are structured so that the only way to get ahead is if you're an amoral motherfucker.
01:32:56.000Then you're going to have people like Genghis Khan et al rise to the top.
01:33:04.000You know, they always talk about we have to cure poverty or whatever.
01:33:07.000The United States is powerful because of its strength of institution.
01:33:10.000It's powerful because we have courts that mean something, because we have property rights, where you own a house and you actually are secure as an American that somebody's not going to come in and take your house.
01:33:20.000Very few countries share that luxury today in 2015. Yeah.
01:33:26.000And courts that are objective, that just because you have a lot of money, and I know there are exceptions to this, but just because you have a lot of money, you're getting off for sure.
01:33:55.000I think the real question becomes of one of the customary actions that we've taken.
01:34:02.000Because what I mean by that is, if you look at people from where we are right now, at the, you know...
01:34:08.00021st century 2015 and you consider what people were like just maybe a hundred years ago 200 years ago like there's never really been a time where people have had this method of communicating with each other so when we used to we didn't not only do we not know what was going on in Japan we had no connection to it you would read some stuff on paper that There's a guy from Japan that wants to fuck us up.
01:34:38.000And you would have no connection to those people, and you just knew there's some people over there, just like Lord of the Rings, just like, you know, fill in the blank, any war movie from, you know, the Mongols to whatever, the Romans.
01:34:52.000This idea that you would have this group of people that was waiting to come over and fuck you up.
01:35:05.000But this has all happened inside of our lifetime.
01:35:07.000So there's been a change that's taken place that I don't think we're really fully aware of yet.
01:35:12.000There's this weird connection thing that we have to literally everybody on the world.
01:35:17.000Well, also remember that when you had an enemy, even in World War II, the first thing you did was you got your soldiers to believe that that enemy over there, they were subhuman.
01:35:30.000They were subhuman, and you see it over and over again.
01:35:33.000Again, that's becoming harder and harder to do.
01:35:35.000Dan Carlin, not to bring it back to him, was also talking about how when you fought an enemy in World War I, and you encountered your first line of Germans or whatever, you didn't know...
01:35:50.000You didn't know if there were a million of them, or if there were just 100,000 or 2,000.
01:35:55.000So you just fought sort of not knowing not only the effect you were having on their forward momentum, but also on their general population to begin with.
01:36:07.000Like, you just were fighting, and when they stopped fighting, then you'd find out, holy shit, there were a million of them.
01:36:53.000World War II. I mean, I know how it happened, but how the fuck, if you look at the personalities of the different groups of people and the languages they speak, three completely different fucking languages, three completely different types of people, and all their different They had a lot of trade and a lot of connection.
01:37:10.000I mean, but one of the things that the Germans, I mean Hitler, wanted to create an axis, sort of an axis, sort of a new world order.
01:37:18.000And he had a great deal of respect for the Japanese.
01:37:21.000He considered the Japanese the Aryans of the East.
01:37:24.000And he had enormous respect for the British.
01:37:52.000Three hundred and tens years and about a thousand years.
01:37:55.000That's why their swordsmen and their ability, they were legendary archers and they were just legendary and ferocious.
01:38:03.000I mean, when the Portuguese were trading with them, they came back and the first thing they said to their European rulers is they said, hey...
01:39:12.000They modified it and turned jujitsu into what it would ultimately become.
01:39:17.000They spent much more time on the ground fighting than the judokas.
01:39:21.000But a lot of the judokas even, like a lot of their techniques, Came from there was an infusion of techniques where there's like some sort of a blurry crossroads between catch wrestling and judo and some catch wrestlers Also taught in Japan like Karl Gotch and Billy Robinson those guys taught a lot of people in Japan like Sakuraba was a student of catch wrestling And so he imparted that,
01:39:44.000like, sort of a lot of catch wrestling submission holds, that style of attacking.
01:39:49.000He incorporated that in a lot of MMA fights and started a lot of people, not just in Japan, but all over the world, fighting that style.
01:39:56.000So I think there's, like, there's many different versions of what Japan has brought out to the rest of the world.
01:40:03.000But as far as, like, martial arts, it's one of the biggest contributors, like, ever.
01:40:09.000They just figured out Aikido, they figured out Judo, they figured out Jiu Jitsu, they figured out submissions in a way that you really can't find parallel at the time.
01:40:20.000I definitely think that Jiu Jitsu is better now than ever before and I credit that to the Brazilians.
01:41:30.000It makes you wonder, though, with the Japanese, going back to them, how good they were as swordsmen, what they could have done to you as a samurai.
01:41:37.000That's again, I think what we were talking about with the Mongols like they spent so much time on Weapons because that's how you fought most of the time like how much time were they really spending on learning how to kick people in the face?
01:41:50.000Yeah, it's probably like a A lot of what we think about the way people used to kick and punch is based on movie depictions of it.
01:41:59.000And in movies, like Enter the Dragon or any of these kind of crazy movies, they're trying to do the most impressive stuff.
01:42:05.000So they're throwing wheel kicks and jumping roundhouse kicks and jumping sidekicks.
01:42:09.000But in real combat, Bruce Lee wrote very extensively about real combat situations.
01:42:16.000Like completely fascinated by the concept of utilizing minimum effort Incorporating all the best techniques from all different martial arts and only doing what's effective in discarding what's useless and he you know that Tao of Jeet Kune Do He wrote like extensively about all sorts of different martial arts even like lifted whole packages Like paragraphs from other martial arts books and put them in there and people will say like,
01:43:24.000But my point was that, like, that guy, what he had done is really kind of, not just unprecedented, but he was like the first big blip of this new concept.
01:43:37.000This new concept of just do what's useful.
01:44:28.000If you went to a different gym to train, you were a fucking traitor.
01:44:33.000I remember having been a wrestler, and then I went to Iowa at Dan Gable's camp for, I think it was two weeks, it was a nightmare, three weeks.
01:44:40.000And I got to wrestle with some of those NCAA, like Jim Zaleski, those Hawkeyes.
01:44:47.000And as a 17-year-old, and having wrestled, I knew I had a real appreciation for what a really good D1 college wrestler was about, you know?
01:44:57.000Not because I rolled around with those guys, but not because they were teaching us.
01:45:02.000But I knew what tough high school wrestlers were like.
01:45:06.000And then to think about D1 wrestlers, and then I'd start taking Taekwondo when I went to Washington, D.C. And I used to say to some of my friends, I'd be like, just know that if you're in a bar and you see a dude with closed-up ears, and he looks like he wrestles in college, that's the guy to be afraid of.
01:45:23.000Even if you punch him, you better punch him right.
01:45:25.000I remember knowing, I was like, I don't know if my kicks are going to work against a dude with a neck like that.
01:45:30.000Well, in a way, it's kind of what we were talking about when we were talking about the Mongols, where the Mongols lived this life of constant strain and effort, and they were so strong, and the strong survive anyway, as far as how many...
01:46:25.000And much like you can't understand what it's like to lock up with that gorilla, you can't understand how much stronger a Division I wrestler is than you.
01:46:36.000Unless you ever wrestle with one of those dudes and have them grab a hold of your wrists and pin you down and get out of submissions like it's nothing and you feel their posture power, they're like several times stronger than you expect.
01:47:26.000I'm so excited about this fight with Cowboy, because I really want to see what Cowboy does to stop him, and I really want to see how he does with Cowboy, fighting Cowboy on top, because Cowboy's guard is fucking nasty.
01:47:38.000You know, I don't think we've ever seen anybody threaten Habib with any sort of submission attempts before.
01:48:29.000And he mirrors it a lot of times, or hides it behind punches.
01:48:32.000Like Donald, you'll see, will throw punches where he's not even intending to hit you.
01:48:36.000He's just getting you look at these, and if you think of moving in, and then, boom, that knee comes to the body, he fucks guys up with that.
01:49:34.000Especially if you're not a wrestler first.
01:49:36.000Yeah, well, listen, man, I wouldn't say that Conor can't fight at 155. What I would say that if he's competing successfully at the top at 145, like he is right now, the transition time, unless he's doing some Mexican supplements, is going to be a long transition time to put on the right amount of weight to compete at that level.
01:50:22.000And I think that fucks with a lot of people's heads, man.
01:50:24.000A lot of people, when he comes at you, and he's been talking shit about you for months already, made you feel like an asshole, you can't...
01:51:15.000Best thing that ever happened to Jose Aldo's career and profile.
01:51:19.000Unless it goes down the way Conor thinks it's gonna go down, then it's probably the worst thing.
01:51:23.000To have some guy come along and humiliate you, and then fuck you up, and you leave with a check.
01:51:27.000You were one of the best pound-for-pound fighters in the world, but if Conor could do to him what he did to Dustin Poirier, that would be the most shocking thing we've ever seen inside the octagon.
01:51:39.000No, and that's no disrespect to Dustin, because I think Dustin was doing himself a disservice by cutting down to 145. I think he looked fucking sensational in his last fight.
01:51:46.000He looked amazing at 55. He looked comfortable, he looked thick, he was moving well, he was still fast as shit.
01:51:53.000I think Dustin's a big boy, and I think those guys that cut down to 45 like that...
01:51:58.000Fuck it's your body's getting tortured and you can kind of bounce back from it and you when you're younger It's easier than when you get older when you've been in the game a long time and your body's been taking kicks and punches and You know you're dehydrating in every few months and then rehydrating and like after a while That's shit is gonna pay you're gonna pay a price.
01:52:18.000It's gonna pay its toll and I think that a guy who is a really good fighter that cuts less weight and has a less great advantage but has a full healthy body and all of the endurance that comes with that and all the peace of mind,
01:52:36.000knowing that you slept well and ate well and your body feels like really rested, you probably are better off somewhere on the comfortable side of that than on the comfortable side of too dehydrated.
01:52:47.000Because those are the people that wind up looking almost like, there's points where they're almost helpless because their body has dehydrated so much and the gruelingness of the fight.
01:52:56.000There's some guys you never see do it.
01:52:58.000Some guys pull it off like Benson Henderson.
01:53:04.000You never see that guy worn out and he loses a lot of weight.
01:53:07.000But then when you saw him fight against Brandon Thatch, what you saw is one guy who's enormous, Thatch, who's a huge Huge for 170. He cuts a lot of weight.
01:53:48.000But when you look at his real ground game, like when he fought Thatch, you realize like, you know what man?
01:53:53.000It might be better if he fought bigger guys and he was healthy.
01:53:57.000It might be better because he's so technical.
01:53:59.000It's like the guys who rely on slugging it out and smashing and Hulk smashing dudes, those guys have to be really big for their weight class.
01:54:07.000But the guys who fight like Benson or like Frankie, super technical, super endurance, constantly on you, always cutting angles, always making you work, always pushing you, always putting pressure on you.
01:54:20.000You know, can keep me with anybody in 70s, certainly Robbie Lawler and any of those guys and Johnny Hendricks.
01:54:27.000He's kind of a very similar, he's just as tall, might be a little shorter, but for the most part, I think that there's nobody in the 70-pound weight class that I think gives him a beating, including Carlos.
01:54:37.000Well, you know, I mean, he could be a champion in 170. I mean, everybody says that's ridiculous because it's so...
01:54:42.000But look, man, that fucking weight class is nuts.
01:54:45.000Anybody on any given night in that weight class could be a champion.
01:54:48.000Same with 55. Rory McDonald could be a champion.
01:55:27.000I always forget, though, whenever we talk about the 85-pound weight class, 70 pounds, I forget about him, and I forget about guys like Yoel Romero.
01:55:49.000That was an insane fight, and then it became an insane demonstration.
01:55:54.000See if you can find that gif of Jacare, Armbar, and Chris Camozzi.
01:55:58.000I think if I had to put money on the Yoel Romero-Jacare fight, I'd go with Jacare because I still think Yoel Romero, if he's fighting five rounds, if it's four and five, he starts to gasp because there's so much muscle to feed.
01:56:14.000So the top one is the guard pass, which was equally ridiculously impressive.
01:56:19.000And the bottom one is the actual armbar, Jamie.
01:56:33.000Bitches running scripts on your shit Find it on another go to another website But anyway point being this This this era that we're living in right now is like greatest ever for martial arts I think I don't think there's ever been a time ever in my life where I've seen this level of execution on a scale like this it just didn't exist before and It didn't exist when you combine the skill level of the kickboxers,
01:57:01.000like the glory kickboxers, skill level of the guys that are coming out of Thailand.
01:57:05.000It's just all a sharing of ideas, right?
01:57:08.000Everybody's sharing their own techniques.
01:57:14.000I just think that, overall, jujitsu, Muay Thai, kickboxing, and MMA, I don't think there's ever been a time that has been even close to To be represented the way martial arts are represented today.
01:57:35.000They were in a scramble and Jacare dove on his arm and threw a leg over and then hooked him under his leg to keep him from rolling out of it.
01:58:00.000But I could tell that he does that all the time.
01:58:02.000Some guys don't like to do that because it's a tricky transition between, like, sometimes from the back, some guys will say, you know what?
01:58:08.000This guy is defending the choke too good.
01:58:25.000I think that he's got a lot of techniques like that where he can transition from the back to something else, Jacare does.
01:58:34.000He's got levels of transitions that other people just don't know.
01:58:38.000I was watching Kamozi, and I was seeing Kamozi trying to figure out what Jacare was doing while he was doing it, and it was so high-level, dude.
01:59:15.000That's where I said you could see the whole thing.
01:59:17.000But the way he does it, it's like you have to have this insane knowledge of where to put your legs in the transition, where he's going to likely wind up, where his leg's going to kick, and there's so much data that he's calculating, and it's all based on technique.
01:59:31.000Just like very it's minimal effort like none of that that he did was strength and that's like the most pure expression of martial arts.
01:59:41.000Strength certainly aided him in pulling off the move, don't get me wrong, but what I'm saying is that move was pulled off because of his perfect technique.
01:59:48.000I mean, you have to be a physically strong person to do anything to a jiu-jitsu person, but there was no resistance there.
01:59:55.000If you look, there was defense, but the way he moved into that position, he was never resisted.
02:02:35.000It's hard to say who would have won in a fight in his prime versus Kane in his prime because they came in in two totally different eras.
02:02:42.000And if you want to look at accomplishments, Boy, it's really hard to discount Fedor beating Krokop, Fedor beating pretty much everybody they put in front of him in Pride.
02:02:54.000I mean, he really beat some of the best in the world.
02:02:57.000And the heavyweight division in Pride back then was probably, outside of Tim Sylvia and Frank Mir, who in their prime could give anybody a hard time, That was probably the strongest heavyweight division the world has ever known.
02:03:11.000Because everybody, first of all, was allowed to do all sorts of Mexican supplements.
02:06:08.000Well, when Fedor got to him, he had lost a few, and he'd been out of the UFC, and, you know, he was fighting for affliction, you know, but still, he still was pretty formidable.
02:06:27.000Before the first fight with Junior Dos Santos?
02:06:30.000Before the second fight with Junior Dos Santos?
02:06:33.000Junior Dos Santos knocked him out in the first fight, and then they went to fucking war for two fights in a row.
02:06:39.000And those fights, you gotta think, man, Fedor obviously lost a step somewhere along the way, and you have to attribute it, if you don't attribute it to his focus, I don't know what his focus was in training, if his coach is saying something like that, it could be that he was kind of getting tired of fighting,
02:06:56.000or it could be the goddamn wars he went through.
02:06:59.000I mean, nobody rides for free when it comes to those crazy fucking ten minute rounds they would fight.
02:07:05.000Sparring sessions that he would go through.
02:07:07.000You know, we were talking to Tony Jeffries about this, and he was calculating.
02:07:12.000And he had 106 fights, 26 of which were pro, I think.
02:07:16.000And he said, if you look at all the rounds I fought to prepare for those 106 fights, and this is when I became an amateur.
02:07:42.000It's so crazy when you, you know, when you just think about all the different micro injuries and different times the brain's rattling against the skull, different little things that have, little connective tissue that's separating or twisting or popping or...
02:07:58.000I know, but don't you need some of that in life?
02:08:02.000No, well, somebody in Dan Collins' podcast, this French general, I think, or a British general, said, we have to have war because if man doesn't have war, we'll dissolve into materialism.
02:08:14.000But there is something to be said about a conflict-free world, as we were talking about.
02:08:20.000And I was wondering, and I was just trying to draw a through line to the people I really connect with, my really good friends, the friends that I have...
02:08:30.000But it's not that they're all fighters, necessarily, but they definitely have and continue to sort of live in a world that is not, of course, like the Mongols, but they keep themselves a little uncomfortable.
02:08:44.000They are always in touch with kind of coming up with their own, with a sense of reality.
02:08:49.000Well, that's why I told you before, you're the only dude that I'd ever ask to go to Montana to sleep when it's fucking nine degrees outside in a little cloth house.
02:12:46.000Don't they understand the difference between looking at something with a white background and looking at something with a black background?
02:12:59.000Because the fucking camera picks it up like that.
02:13:01.000Again, to bring it back, this is becoming the Dan Carlin podcast, but he said something really cool about how people like conspiracy theories because it's really hard to believe that the random just happens or that one man, like Lee Harvey Oswald, can change the course of history with a bullet.
02:13:16.000And that's a lot harder to believe than, you know, a group of people who were very organized ended up doing what they did.
02:13:23.000We all want a logical explanation, not a random one, not the fact that we're fragile enough that one man can fuck everything up with a good bullet or a good bomb.
02:13:34.000It's that time where that was possible.
02:13:39.000And it's certainly to a lesser extent.
02:13:41.000There's a weirder connection that people share today than they've ever done before.
02:13:47.000And I wonder how much we realize about how that shaping works.
02:13:52.000Societies, how it's shaping just human civilization as a human, you know, we were talking about before as a gigantic superorganism.
02:14:00.000Superorganism that relied on aggression to get to a certain point of innovation, and then once it got to that certain point of innovation, when does it no longer need aggression, and when does it need like a realization of what it actually is?
02:14:13.000Instead of aggression, when does it need a realization like, listen, listen, the only way it's gonna work out for everybody is we gotta act for everybody.
02:14:21.000If the human race just treats everybody that way, like, you have to, like, find where the weak spots are, prop them up, figure out why they're fucked up, engineer them correctly, you know, as far as social engineering, education, counseling, you know, love, whatever.
02:14:35.000Are you saying that we should do unto others is that we'd have them do unto us?
02:14:39.000As Rabbi Hello and a guy named Jesus Christ said.
02:14:41.000And once you get to a point where you have something called the internet and people can exchange these ideas and exchange these points of view and these expressions, like this is how I feel about you, this is how you feel about me when you communicate like this.
02:14:56.000You can communicate like this in a real time in a way that's never happened before.
02:15:00.000So they're not like these weird people in Germany that you don't know that are, they have this guy standing on top of a podium and he's screaming shit out and you're like, what's going on over there?
02:15:14.000Like, what the fuck is going on over there?
02:15:15.000And you're reading things about it in the paper and you're trying to take these little printed words and piece them into a narrative that makes sense in your head.
02:15:23.000You're reading the New York Times every morning to find out what's the news with Europe.
02:15:27.000What's going on over there with our boys?
02:15:29.000And you want to look into the paper trying to find out how the score is of the war.
02:15:33.000And you're listening to the radio at night.
02:15:40.000You would go to the movies and they would show a clip, a highlight war reel clip of the news while you were waiting for your movie to start.
02:16:13.000Wouldn't it be good for people to know what the fuck they're signing up for?
02:16:17.000I know that the logic was always that you censored media during wartime and didn't let them show the really horrific stuff because it was bad for morale among troops and at home.
02:16:32.000I don't know enough about what it's like to motivate young men to go to battle.
02:16:38.000I don't know enough about what it's like to be a general or a person in power when I'm in a wartime situation.
02:16:43.000I don't know what it's like to have the very existence of my country under threat the way we were in World War II when those kinds of policies were made.
02:16:58.000And I think we'd all have very different points of view and would do very, very different things and behave maybe a lot like the leaders we criticize if we were under the kinds of responsibilities and pressures that the leaders we talk about were under.
02:17:15.000I think that if I were the emir, the caliphate of Baghdad, and I knew that the Mongols were doing what they were doing to people and they were on the way to see me, I'd be pretty ruthless With any kind of dissent, any kind of Mongol sympathy,
02:17:32.000and I would be pretty ruthless with anybody who wasn't pitching in for the very survival of my town.
02:17:39.000Right, because the consequences are so high of not taking it seriously and not being aggressively prepared.
02:17:44.000The question becomes, like, how, if ever, is it possible...
02:17:48.000Because of the fact that we can communicate with each other all across the world instantaneously, how is it possible that we move past the idea of armed conflicts entirely?
02:18:13.000There's this ISIS shit that's going on.
02:18:15.000Because overall, if you look at the number of violent deaths from 2000 until 2015, according to Steven Pinker in his very well-researched book called The Angels of Our Better Nature, essentially said, proves and makes the case that Fewer people have died violently in that span of time,
02:18:36.000even with the Congo, even with the Middle East, even with all the things that go on, in comparison to any other time of epoch, any other time in history.
02:18:43.000And it seems that a lot of countries, like China, for example.
02:18:49.000Yes, rattles its sword at Taiwan and things, but China gains a great deal more from being an economic powerhouse.
02:18:55.000The military powerhouse just isn't, and I maintain this case with Iran.
02:19:16.000I feel like If you created a situation where Iran saw that there was much more to be gained from joining the economic community and playing ball in accordance with its laws than in getting weapons of mass destruction.
02:19:30.000They're all scared that those chicks are gonna find out they don't have to wear burqas in America.
02:20:37.000Well, I'm just saying, if you're a religious man, and if you are trying to create a productive society, the logic went, if you have women walking around looking all sexy and naked,
02:20:54.000which was a lot of the Middle East, if you have that, what happens is we're thinking about fucking and not producing.
02:22:55.000But the only issue that I have, and I don't really have an issue with it...
02:23:00.000But the only thing that I would say if it came to, like, preference of time that I would spend hunting, I would spend less time turkey hunting and more time doing other things because of the fact that you can't get anything more than a turkey.
02:23:52.000You know, it's like it'll feed a family and then maybe you might have sandwiches the next day.
02:23:55.000If you shoot a deer, like if you go out and you shoot a deer and you spend those nights sleeping in the tent in Montana and you're successful, you're going to come back with 50 or 60 pounds of meat.
02:26:46.000They're such a motherfucker, and they don't have a handle on them at all.
02:26:49.000The guy that I lived up there, that stayed at this place, rather, that lives up there, his neighbor lost a cow to a wolf.
02:26:56.000Well, when we were in Napa Valley, the farmers I was talking to, they used to keep emus, which are miniature ostriches and lambs, and said, the mountain lions wreaked havoc.
02:27:10.000The mountain lion would come in and pull those emus over the fence, the seven-foot fence, and they'd just find feathers on the top of the fence.
02:27:18.000There goes our emu and lambs, too, just eat the shit out of a lamb.
02:27:23.000Well, the place where you and I were staying up in...
02:28:54.000When you meet people at the airport, just a random guy at the airport saw that I had a camo jacket on and asked me if I was hunting.
02:29:01.000He talked to me about how much he likes to kill wolves.
02:29:04.000Yeah, these city people, they just don't understand.
02:29:07.000They live down there in Vancouver, and they're making all the laws for up here, and we're the ones who have to hear them howl and wonder how many of them there are out there, and they kill your livestock, and they kill your dogs.
02:30:24.000You brine it, like you take ice, put it in a cooler, you take this brine, it's mostly like salt and sugar and some spices, and you dunk this ham in there and then surround everything with ice and put it in like a Yeti cooler.
02:31:47.000Well, this one, you can sear it on one side, and then you move it over to the other side, and then you just leave the temperature at what you wanted.
02:31:53.000So I drop it down to 400 degrees, and I have a thermometer in it.
02:31:56.000It tells me when the temperature, the internal temperature, hits like 125. And then I watch it carefully until it gets to be about 130. And then pop that bitch out and let it sit for 10 minutes.
02:32:16.000But you want to sear it for, depending upon the thickness of the meat and the temperature that you're searing it, I don't do it for more than like two and a half minutes a side.
02:32:25.000And I just really just like cook the outside.
02:32:27.000You know, you're burning off any possible bacteria that's on the outside.
02:32:34.000Like a delicious like top area of it where it's like real crispy and you got like Kosher salt and black pepper and a little bit of garlic powder I mix on there and I let it sit for like an hour before I put it on the grill It's an art form to it man It is because like I put post pictures of it because I like what other people do to like I like looking at people's Instagrams and shit that they're making and My father-in-law can cook the greatest steaks.
02:32:57.000He uses hickory chips, and he smokes it that way on the grill.
02:33:46.000So what you do is you put it, like, if you have a, like, either one of those Weber's or I have a Kamado, you put a top lever to it so that the heat is not really underneath it anymore, cooking it from the bottom.
02:33:59.000And then you put it on the top, close the lid, and it'll drop down, like, maybe 350 degrees or somewhere around there.
02:34:05.000And then you cook it slowly for the next, like, depending upon the thickness of the steak, I don't usually like to go more than five minutes.
02:34:12.000So what I've done is I've seared the shit out of the outside with, like, really hot flames and a hot grill grate, and everything is just like...
02:34:21.000It's really cooking the outside of it, but then slow cooking it after that, so you get that crust on the outside.
02:34:27.000I had a Wagyu steak in Utah where they put it in a plastic bag and they boil it in water.
02:35:23.000I had Wagyu sent me from Snake River Farms, which apparently, like, I went to Mastro's, and the guy goes, well, Snake River Farms is the best.
02:35:31.000Dude, I don't know what they do there.
02:35:32.000I don't know what they do with those cows.
02:35:34.000I'm just telling you it's the best steak ever.
02:37:37.000And it required a great deal of cooperation, but even more importantly, because of typhoons, Their architecture was made from rice because you didn't want a wind to blow stone on you and die.
02:37:52.000So the reason that the origami like, you know, they have like sliding glass doors and I mean paper, a lot of their houses were made of, the inside was made of paper.
02:37:59.000Well the problem with that is when you have walls that separate you that are made of paper.
02:38:04.000You can hear what goes on in the room next to you.
02:38:07.000And if you have a couple that's fucking or whatever or crying or arguing, now you're privy to their business.
02:38:15.000And what that did was they said, how are we going to run a society like this?
02:38:20.000I mean, I know he's listening to me and then I'm listening to him.
02:38:24.000And what a lot of social scientists talk about is this idea that the Japanese got so Super good at actively not hearing things they're not supposed to.
02:38:34.000And it was like this sort of social contract where first of all you never mentioned that you heard anything.
02:38:40.000Second of all you didn't even gossip because you didn't hear it.
02:41:05.000But they did some amazing improvements on existing things.
02:41:10.000That's their unique characteristic, their unique traits, especially when it comes to automobiles, automobiles and electronics.
02:41:19.000Like the NSX. It forced Ferrari and Porsche to change the way they were making cars.
02:41:24.000They came out with this fucking NSX. I want to say like 91 or 92 was the first NSX. And it was basically like a super-evolved sports car.
02:41:34.000For the time, it had these ridiculous things that they had built into it, like baffles in the fuel lines to make sure that the weight always stayed completely central.
02:41:44.000They wanted to have a pure 50-50 weight balance so it's a mid-engine car, so the engine is behind the passenger seat.
02:41:51.000All these unique innovations to the suspension, geometry, and the way it handled was just like it was on rails, man.
02:42:00.000It was not even a high-horsepower car.
02:42:02.000It was like 275, I think initially, maybe 290 towards the end of its production line.
02:42:46.000And they kind of do that with, the Nissan does that now with this thing called the GTR. They have this car, the GTR. It's actually more expensive now than it used to be for a while.
02:42:55.000It's like they're barely breaking even on it.
02:42:57.000But I think now they realize it has such a demand that you can kind of charge more money.
02:44:58.000But still, because of that, sometimes they get back-end heavy, which means the front end comes off the ground, and they go flying through the air.
02:47:41.000Two things I've never understand when people stand too close to car races like that with no protection and guys who are watching golf when the guy tees off and they're literally right in the line of fire.
02:50:23.000Like, why did they have powdered wigs?
02:50:25.000There was always a form of, even the French up until World War I wore, you know, lots of, like, very, like, feathers and very brightly colored clothing.
02:51:21.000Yes, they were covering themselves in leaves, waiting in the cold for dinner.
02:51:25.000Mmm fuck yeah, they made it you didn't it's true you didn't get to this point trust me Trust me you with your fucking ironic glasses on that don't even have a real Lens like people wear like clear glass Fashion has always been another thing that we...
02:51:47.000I mean, you know, if you look at indigenous cultures that have had very little contact, they're still putting bones to their nose and wearing feathers and peacocking men and women.
02:51:56.000But the eyeglass one is one of the weirdest ones.
02:52:00.000Well, a friend of mine's mother, he couldn't get a job.
02:53:01.000I'm going to be at the Sacramento Punchline, tearing it up this Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and I am under the impression, I've been talking to TJ Dillashaw and Uriah Faber, and there's a chance they might come out and see me, because they're friends of mine, and I couldn't be more excited about that.
02:53:15.000Yes, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Joe, and I want to say one more thing.
02:53:28.000More importantly, I'm going to be having...
02:53:30.000There was a documentary called Lady Valor, and I'm going to be having the Navy SEAL who became a woman, Kristen Beck, on our podcast, and I am very excited.
02:54:01.000You're looking at not just a shirt, but a cultural phenomenon.
02:54:04.000This shirt, this Master Kim's 1984 Taekwondo National Champion shirt from the Fighter and the Kid, they sold 800 of them in about six minutes.