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00:02:28.000Well, I wanted to talk to you about these stupid vaporizing things, but Simon Marcus, the guy you're fighting, is a tough motherfucker.
00:02:33.000You guys are going back and forth three rounds, and then you go in the fourth round, and you still manage to knock him out in the fourth round.
00:02:52.000I've been smoking since before I started doing kickboxing, so it was something that was just, you know, my cardio always sucks at the beginning of the camp and by the end of the camp I'm outrunning everybody else.
00:05:29.000I've always been tired in every fight I've ever had, so I'm at that level.
00:05:33.000But my last fight with Bellator, I was just a different level of exhausted from the wrestling and the jiu-jitsu that I haven't been doing for 15 years of my life.
00:05:42.000I'm at a point now in my career where it's like, I've worked my ass off for so long that like kickboxing comes natural to me, you know, and with MMA It's like if I want to you know, yeah, I have half of the game down but if I want to really take this to the next level I have to Improve on the ground and the wrestling and that's gonna take me improving my cardio.
00:06:26.000Up until it got to the ground, it just seemed like you were having a real hard time getting up.
00:06:31.000There's such a giant issue when it comes to the difference between the kind of endurance that you have with grappling and your ability to calculate all the different moves.
00:06:43.000It takes so long to get grappling information in your body and in your head.
00:06:48.000There's just so much stuff that's going on.
00:07:14.000And then all of a sudden, you got this guy on top of you, and you can't get up, and he's holding you down, and nothing really was happening on the ground.
00:07:21.000There wasn't a lot of ground and pound, it wasn't real significant submission attempts, but it's just keeping you from doing the shit you want to do.
00:07:56.000You can continue to kickbox when you're really sick, you know, to an extent.
00:08:00.000But, like, you can't do jiu-jitsu and be, like, drooling and slobbering and fucking sweating in some guy's face when you have the flu, you know?
00:08:06.000So, like, for that camp, I only had, like, three weeks of jiu-jitsu.
00:08:41.000I'm sure in 20 years they're going to say that was the reason that Joe got brain cancer.
00:08:48.000I just, I wonder how, I mean, I know that being a professional fighter takes a tremendous amount of dedication and time.
00:08:55.000And I wonder, like, when I see you in Glory and I see you also in Bellator, I'm like, man, does this guy have the amount of time that it takes to compete at the level that you compete at in kickboxing in both?
00:09:08.000I mean, do you have the time to put in to jiu-jitsu and to wrestling defense and stuff like that?
00:09:13.000It's been really tough, you know, the...
00:09:17.000At the beginning of the year, I was really excited about it.
00:09:19.000Oh, it's gonna be a busy year, you know, but it's really hard to have a fight and then immediately go right into another training camp for a different style or for, you know, for another sport.
00:09:27.000And it's, you know, it's like my next fight's June 26th and it's like I just fought and I'm jumping right back into camp.
00:10:32.000I'm just gonna make the jump and just fully make the jump but to do both me You're still active at a world-class level in kickboxing You're fighting world champions in kickboxing.
00:10:41.000I'm the real number one contender right now for glory, but I couldn't take that shit That's a statement The last person they you know, I knocked out Simon I was ranked number one He beat two guys that weren't even in the top three and somehow got ranked number one to fight Arctum 11 I'm just saying Well,
00:11:05.000Now, to make the decision, though, to say if you have a camp and you're going to go and do this Bellator fight in June, and then if they offer you a kickboxing fight, like, say, in August...
00:11:18.000Like, do you say, like, hey, you know, I would rather be kickboxing, like, four or five months, really get sharp and in the groove, or is it okay to bounce back and forth?
00:11:26.000Do you do enough kickboxing during your MMA training?
00:11:29.000I think I can go back and forth with kickboxing at that level.
00:11:34.000The problem is when I do the kickboxing fight and then they offer me a Bellator fight right away because when I... If I fought Bellatoria in June and then I was going to fight kickboxing in August, July, the end of June, July, and August, I wouldn't be doing any wrestling or, you know, I just don't have time.
00:11:49.000I'd be focusing on kickboxing, sparring, all that stuff.
00:11:52.000So that was kind of the issue, you know, it was going back and forth.
00:11:56.000Would it make any difference at all if it was a Muay Thai fight instead of kickboxing, like if you're doing Muay Thai all the time and then went right into MMA where you got a little bit more grappling?
00:12:26.000Even with Glory, it's like they say no clinching, but then you watch my fight with Simon, they were still way longer than five seconds of clinching in there.
00:12:34.000Training-wise, it's still the same for me.
00:12:36.000That's one of the reasons why it was so particularly impressive, that first four-round fight, because Simon Marcus is a Muay Thai guy, and he's known, that's one of his specialties, is his clinch.
00:12:46.000And he's just very physically strong, and he fights a draining kind of fight.
00:12:50.000Just really gets a hold of guys, manipulates you around, throws a lot of knees and elbows in the clinch.
00:12:55.000And fucking go four rounds with that guy and then fight two more times afterwards.
00:13:00.000And then against Wayne Barrett and fucking Artem Levin.
00:15:02.000I don't think nicotine is really as bad as the chemicals that are in it and the burning of the plant matter.
00:15:09.000I think there's something about the burning of the actual leaves themselves and then the 500 plus chemicals that the cigarette companies put into cigarettes to enhance the flavor and to enhance the addictive properties of it.
00:15:32.000I heard that they had some big fucking thing and that they're getting ready for the whole distribution.
00:15:40.000So they have like Marlboro weed cigarettes.
00:15:43.000It's like, go ahead and take something natural and healthy and then give it to a cigarette company and watch what happens.
00:15:49.000And now people will be getting fucking cancer and all kinds of shit from smoking weed.
00:15:53.000Yeah, right, they'll become Republicans.
00:15:55.000Like, something will happen, they'll put some shit in the cigarettes, and you're like, you know what, I don't think I'm real excited about gay marriage.
00:16:01.000Like, all of a sudden, people have these weird Republican right-wing views.
00:16:07.000I think that it's real possible, because if you see those natural cigarettes, like those American, what are those, American spirits?
00:16:52.000Because I think that tobacco itself is, I don't think it's good for you, but I don't think it's nearly as bad for you as the tobacco with all the jazz in it.
00:17:01.000Did you ever see that movie, The Insider, Russell Crowe?
00:17:05.000It's about, you know, you don't really know how much, whenever they do a movie on real life situations, you don't know how much fuckery is involved and manipulate things.
00:17:14.000But the movie is about a guy who is a scientist working for cigarette companies that his whole deal is figuring out how to make them more addictive.
00:17:25.000And then he testifies against cigarette companies.
00:17:27.000And they, you know, they're fucking stalking his home, scaring the shit out of them and Apparently, supposedly, you've got to say that, based on a real story.
00:19:31.000How clean is your diet when you, I mean, obviously you have the issue with the cigarettes, but other than the issue with the cigarettes, how clean is your diet when you're training?
00:19:38.000When I'm training, I just, you know, I don't eat like fast food and shit like that, but that's pretty much it.
00:19:43.000You know, it's pretty weight management based, I would think.
00:19:46.000You know, if my weight's good, then I eat When I used to fight 175, 168, then it was like a month of low carb.
00:20:08.000Yeah, it would, especially as the fight got closer and I would really start cutting back on carbs.
00:20:14.000I would try to keep carbs Under 100 a day and then as I got closer it would be like under 50 and like last week it'd be like almost no carbs and then I'd find myself like pulling out in front of in traffic like your brain works off of of carbs and water so Yeah, it wasn't good when I went up to 180 187 for glory It was a lot easier to make weight.
00:20:35.000My performance was way, way, way better.
00:20:38.000There's got to be a significant point of what you would call diminishing returns, where you can only cut so much weight where it's not going to benefit.
00:20:49.000It's not like when you see guys like Frankie Edgar that fought so well at 155, and he weighed 155, and then you see other dudes that are coming down from, you know, way, way above that.
00:20:59.000Oftentimes, like in the high 180s, like, Gleason Tebow, you ever see that guy in real life?
00:22:41.000And then, you know, you see some of these guys, uh, which I think was the ultimate fighter where the guy was like in the back cramping and screaming and crying.
00:23:44.000It's a significant issue because, yeah, you get mental toughness out of it.
00:23:49.000There's no one mentally tougher than wrestlers.
00:23:51.000When it comes to MMA, when those guys enter into MMA, they have this fucking steel determination, like the elite high-level wrestlers.
00:24:02.000You get it from elite high-level kickboxers as well, but...
00:24:05.000It seems like there's something about the grind of amateur wrestling, going through high school, going through college, going through Olympic trials and whatever you do.
00:24:14.000The level of intensity in the wrestling room and the dealing, the constantly dealing with being in a bad state physically, like constantly overtrained.
00:24:24.000They just develop this mindset of driving through that.
00:27:01.000And for people who don't know, the real issue with weight cutting when it comes to combat sports as opposed to wrestling is head trauma.
00:27:08.000Because your brain takes a while, especially when you're just ingesting fluids orally, meaning just drinking water or Pedialyte or whatever, it takes a while to get up to your brain.
00:27:19.000But in wrestling, that's okay because no one's kicking you in the head.
00:27:23.000When you're in MMA or kickboxing, you've got a real issue because it takes a while for it, which is why everybody likes to go with IV bags.
00:28:26.000And he has a hard cut to get down to 185, and he's the UFC middleweight champion, you know?
00:28:33.000And he fights a very, very heavy, physical style, very aggressive, gets on top of dudes, vicious ground and pound, knows how to use his weight, and if you're not prepared to that weight, like, after Lyoto fought him, one of the first things Lyoto said was, I gotta get stronger.
00:29:32.000He was like 230. Yeah, did you see there was an article on the Underground about that guy where people were accusing him of Mexican supplements?
00:31:31.000I always wonder how much of a training camp, and this is particularly important, I guess, in MMA, how much of a training camp should be dedicated to strength and conditioning?
00:31:44.000And how much should be dedicated to skill work?
00:31:49.000You know, for me, for Last Man Standing, I had like a six months notice or something for the fight.
00:31:57.000And my fight before that was with Wayne Barrett in New York.
00:32:00.000And I just felt physically too small when I fought him.
00:32:03.000I mean, that was the first time in my career where the guy that I weighed in against and the guy I got in the ring with were like two different people.
00:32:11.000And like there were shots that he would hit me with That didn't even land, but he hit me in the forearm and he'd be pushing me across the ring and I really felt too small.
00:32:21.000I hit the weights and I was doing the high calorie things or whatever and I did the weights for a long, long period of time.
00:32:25.000And then my coach stopped me about six weeks out from the fight and was like, you know, more weights.
00:32:54.000Yeah, it's about getting that punch to snap at the end and not trying to push through.
00:32:59.000I had a really good result with that camp and I felt like I was hitting harder.
00:33:06.000Obviously it knocked out Simon, so it was good.
00:33:09.000But, like, now when I'm fighting so actively, it's like I don't really have time to hit the weights and, like, bulk up or, like, get that tight again, you know?
00:33:15.000So that's been an issue for me when you're fighting so consistently.
00:33:18.000I'm sure that, you know, I'd be interested to see what Donald Cerrone does when he's fighting so often, you know, if he has time.
00:33:26.000Because for me, it was like, okay, get right back into camp.
00:33:29.000You're right back where you are, like, the last, you know, five weeks.
00:34:08.000That motherfucker believes in himself.
00:34:10.000I mean, I had seen it when he was walking out yelling yes or whatever, but I hadn't seen where he pulled out the cross and was fighting demons on the way to the ring.
00:36:37.000So I don't really have time to do that right now.
00:36:39.000He brought in Steve Maxwell for his BJ Penn fight.
00:36:42.000And, you know, it was interesting because Steve said it would almost be better if I didn't train him because Steve was like, because if I didn't train him, he wouldn't be in as good a shape and it would have been like a quicker fight.
00:36:59.000And because he was in such good shape, he was able to take a tremendous amount of punishment.
00:37:04.000I mean, BJ dropped him just a couple minutes or so into the first round and then just battered him for the rest of the fight until he eventually cut him with that head kick and stopped him.
00:37:13.000It's interesting, too, because I've heard, and I kind of believe it, is that your chin has improved with the better shape here.
00:38:16.000I'm like any other time I'd be able to take that punch like it doesn't make any sense It wasn't like sometimes you see a punch and you see your head snap back and you go goddamn Like you got cracked, but this wasn't that it was just my body just was exhausted and if I was in better shape I know I would have been able to take that better and you see guys that are in really good shape and It's very rare that they can't recover from a couple hard shots whereas it seems like Everything is based on your vitality.
00:38:43.000And if your body is in really good condition, you can bounce back from things quicker.
00:38:48.000Like Frankie Edgar is another perfect example.
00:38:50.000I think a lot of it you have to chalk off to heart and will and determination.
00:38:54.000You know, like some guys like Frankie just has this fucking incredible will.
00:38:58.000Like you can't, like he's like a dude who's a little dude who people have been fucking with him.
00:40:19.000And he said the way it was described to him is that the doctor...
00:40:23.000Was telling him that at a certain point in time your brain recognizes that you're too tough for your own good So your brain knows when it gets tagged.
00:40:32.000Oh This fucking dude is just gonna start absorbing punches again, and we're gonna have to deal with all this damage Let's just shut off right that makes sense.
00:40:40.000It makes a lot of sense The last time this happened we just took a little nap and everything was fine.
00:40:56.000You gotta wonder, like, what is that, when that time is?
00:41:00.000You know, like, when, when do you, uh, when do you, when do you know?
00:41:04.000Because most fighters have think, like, you know what, if I just have one more camp, and maybe I'll do eight weeks instead of six weeks, and maybe I'll clean my diet up, and maybe I'll bring in a guy...
00:41:15.000To work with me maybe on my defense a little bit more, and maybe my strength and conditioning could be better than improve everything.
00:41:22.000I mean, you gotta know in the camp, though.
00:41:26.000If you're getting knocked out in sparring, if that's happening, that's never happened to me in sparring.
00:41:31.000But if that's a thing that happens in the gym, how much confidence can you really have when you're walking to the rink?
00:41:36.000Like, two weeks ago I got knocked out.
00:41:42.000Regular occurrence in MMA. Forrest Griffin, when he fought Anderson, he got knocked out apparently twice.
00:41:49.000You've seen the Marvin Eastman-Travis Luter fight?
00:41:53.000Yeah, that was when Marvin got hit with this very strange punch It was like it was a decent punch But it was like at the very end of the punch and he just went out like he got shot All right, and I remember thinking wow, that's kind of crazy Then we found that afterwards he got knocked out twice in camp like really recently Tito had knocked him out with a knee And then someone had knocked him out.
00:42:16.000He got knocked out with a takedown attempt or something like that.
00:42:31.000Or is it like this guy got knocked out and didn't do the right things, didn't do the hyperbaric chambers, didn't take time off, you know what I mean?
00:43:05.000I remember BJ Penn in one of the countdown shows, he goes, when you're gonna sleep in a big plastic tent, you know someone's gonna get their ass kicked.
00:44:10.000Something about, they get people that have like, you know how people have diabetes, their feet turn purple because their fucking blood flow is all fucked up.
00:44:18.000They put people on this machine and they'll like, After a couple treatments, their feet get regular colored again.
00:44:23.000But the way it works is it takes you to way higher altitude.
00:44:37.000So in a 20-minute session, it goes, based on what program it is, maybe Everest to back down to zero like 100 times in 20 minutes.
00:44:45.000While you're in there, it's constantly dropping.
00:44:47.000The pressure's filling up and dropping because the guy found that Your body goes through more of a metabolic change during the change of altitude as opposed to like what we've known is you go and you stay there for eight hours or however long and then you come back down to train.
00:45:01.000So this is constantly going up and down, up and down, up and down and your body's like what the fuck, what Fuck, and that's supposed to create more red blood cells or circulation.
00:45:50.000Creating lower pressure and thinner air, just like you'd get on a day of skiing up in Aspen.
00:45:55.000Athletes get an increase in VO2 max, peripheral vision, quicker reaction, endurance, power.
00:46:05.000The CVAC people say the body's response is to increase its blood volume, but that they still haven't studied the effects enough to say for sure.
00:46:13.000I decided to get into the thing and try out a typical session.
00:46:17.000Am I going to get injured in this thing?
00:47:17.000The water bottle just like a gorilla smushed it.
00:47:25.000What I literally loved about it is there was only like 12, I think, in the US. I knew when I was in there that my opponent wasn't using that shit.
00:48:46.000You know, it's great for problem solving, too.
00:48:49.000I use it for, like, if I have a joke that I'm working on that's not working well, I'll go in there and I'll sort it out.
00:48:54.000I'm like, fuck, there's gotta be an angle for this joke.
00:48:56.000I could sit down and look at a keyboard and maybe think about it, but I feel like my mind has more resources when I'm in the tank.
00:49:05.000And the reason being is that the idea of the sensory deprivation tank was created by this guy named John Lilly.
00:49:11.000John Lilly was this really nutty dude.
00:49:14.000He was a psychedelic pioneer We're good to go.
00:49:34.000From the influence of the body he was thinking that there's like my neck hurts like I got a fart you know like all these different things that are going on in your body that are Distracting the mind how could I get away from that and he came up with a bunch of different solutions One of them was you've seen that movie altered states You ever seen that movie?
00:50:20.000Have you seen that little kid, before we get into the Century Deprivation tank, have you seen that little kid doing the Bruce Lee nunchuck scene?
00:50:33.000He's wearing a Bruce Lee outfit from the Game of Death, and he's got nunchucks just like Bruce Lee's, and he's doing it in sync to Bruce Lee behind him.
00:51:24.000And by the time that kid's 12, there will be 500 people in his life that tell him to be realistic and shoot down every imaginative thing that he has in his fucking head.
00:51:51.000She looks like she's maybe like six or seven years old and she's hitting the mitts and fucking technique is on point.
00:51:59.000She's blocking and rolling and you know no kicks just punches but like God damn!
00:52:05.000I remember when that Tap Out commercial came out a couple years ago and they had those two kids, the two little boys when they were doing all that shit.
00:53:03.000So the sensory deprivation thing, to get back to that, the way he first did it was like a scuba helmet.
00:53:09.000He came up with a way to hook up a scuba helmet with these underarm harnesses so that you're suspended by the air and the scuba helmet and it kind of floats your body.
00:53:20.000And then eventually you forget about the scuba helmet.
00:53:22.000And then somewhere along the lines he realized that if you just had water that was filled with salt, That you would just float in it, sort of like the Dead Sea.
00:53:30.000You ever see those videos of the people that go to the Dead Sea?
00:54:00.000Through this series of filters is huge spa filters with like the way that guy crash down at the float lab in Venice is a Mad genius this guy has done like when he first came around I found out about him Through a guy who used to repair tanks for this company called Samadhi Samadhi is the first company that I bought a tank from and they were actually in business with Lily Lily's first tank one of his first tanks was a Samadhi There's
00:55:13.000Accidentally, the power kicked off and I didn't know about it.
00:55:16.000A circuit blew and I had these rocks, these giant like crystals in the water just because the salt it sort of congealed because there was no heat in it anymore to keep it warm.
00:55:28.000But as long as the water keeps cycling and as long as the water stays at a high temperature, which is around, you want to keep it, mine's at 94 degrees, which is about the same as the surface of your skin.
00:55:50.000But if you get it just in that Goldilocks zone, then once you relax, you don't feel the water.
00:55:55.000And half of your body, like, say, like, if you cut a person in half from the top of their head, like, sideways, like, everything above your nipples is like, that's what it looks like right there.
00:58:07.000But the colonic thing, I have a friend who did it and he said, dude, it's like the fucking pianos were coming out of my ass.
00:58:12.000He goes, I was finding things that I ate when I was a kid.
00:58:15.000He said there was a pipe that was coming out, like, you know, that's attached and you could see all the things that were coming out of your ass.
00:58:22.000And like the lady was pointing out his diet and she was like, you know, oh, you need more fiber.
00:58:26.000And he's like, those fucking tree trunks are coming out of his ass.
01:02:44.000I'll lie in the tank, and I'll go over positions as if they're happening in real life.
01:02:48.000Like, I'll start off slow, and like, you know, like if you were doing like flow drilling or something like that, like I'll start off, like I'll, like say, for instance, I'll do like a half guard sweep.
01:02:57.000Like, I'll start off in half guard, I'll scoop my hips to the side, I'll fight for the underhook, I'll get the grip, I'll pull the guy in, I'll trip the leg up, I sweep, I get on top.
01:03:07.000And then I'll do it as if it was a drill, like if you're performing a drill, but I'll do it all completely in my head.
01:03:14.000And I'll go over the motions first slowly and then I'll do it fast and then I'll go over and then I'll do it like I'll I'll recreate like the violence of it like the explosion of it in my head I'll recreate the resistance and then once I get like one drill down then I'll have counters to the drill like I'll go into it But I'll lose the position and now I have to you know reestablish another position and when you do that like that kind of mental training and Really shows up in the gym.
01:04:40.000He's gotten me to the point now where we call it trance, it's not even hypnosis, but he can start talking to me a certain way and I'm already in a different thing.
01:04:47.000When I get off the phone with him, My mind's just going insane based off the conversations we had.
01:05:06.000I've done that with my fights, you know, like, you know, watching a fight, you know, if, how do I explain it, even like blocking leg kicks, you know, when you can visualize it happening and your reaction to it, you know, in your head without actually seeing it,
01:05:23.000or without actually doing it, I think it plays it out to be so real.
01:05:30.000So, one thing we do is, I'll focus when I when I sign a fighter we get booked for a certain date about four or five weeks out All the time when I wake up in the morning when I'm sitting on the toilet anytime I'm alone I'll I'll think about 15 minutes after I've won the fight 15 minutes after I'm thinking As high-def as possible.
01:05:54.000The first time I'm doing it, it's not very high-def.
01:06:01.000I can see my coaches' faces, who else is in there, what they're saying to me, how I feel about myself.
01:06:10.000The idea behind it is if If you focus on 15 minutes after you've won, and you do it over a period of time, it becomes so real in your head that it's like it already happened.
01:06:21.000And if it's already happened, how could you possibly have anxiety about something that your mind thinks already happened, you know?
01:06:33.000I don't know if you've experienced this I'm probably you probably have where you didn't get up for a fight because you thought that you're gonna kick this guy's ass pretty easy So you weren't nervous and then when you got in there you felt like off like you didn't you weren't Performing the way like you would be like say if you fought a guy like Artem Levin who you know top of the food chain You're you're gonna be on your toes,
01:06:56.000you know, you're gonna be ready Whereas you're going in there, you're like, I'm gonna kick this fucking guy's ass.
01:07:00.000And you go in there, and it just seems like, damn, I'm not firing right.
01:07:47.000No one expects you to win is when I really rise to the occasion.
01:07:51.000When people start telling me that it's an easy fight or that I'm the favorite or whatever, I just really try and shut that out and try and convince myself that he's gonna kill me and he's a really bad guy.
01:08:02.000I don't know if it's about not getting up for the fight or if it's...
01:08:08.000If it's, you know, you just take the guy lightly or what it is, but I've always had issues with that in the past.
01:08:13.000A lot of people have issues with that.
01:08:15.000Taking a guy lightly is a huge problem, and it's real common.
01:08:19.000And you see it in a fight, like maybe when a guy's the favorite.
01:08:23.000Like, I'm not necessarily saying that this was the case in the Cub Swanson-Max Holloway fight.
01:09:10.000Point is, the guy was giving him, like, boxing instruction in the corner, and I'm like, he's dealing with a guy that's kicking him, throwing elbows and flying knees and spinning back kicks his way.
01:09:23.000You need a fucking Matt Hume-type character that's telling you, like, MMA-specific shit to do.
01:09:29.000So there's probably some technical issues with the way he approached the fight, but also it just didn't seem like, if you saw him against other fighters, like Jeremy Stevens, who's a fucking murderer, you know, he's a murderer, he's fighting another murderer, these two guys are dangerous as fuck,
01:09:46.000you know, he is sharp as shit, because it's just a deadly, dangerous fight.
01:09:52.000You know, he had beaten some real good guys, but he was thought to be like a notch below Cub, and Cub just couldn't fucking put it together.
01:10:01.000And, you know, you gotta say, well, it was definitely a case of Holloway rising to the occasion, fought better than he ever fought before.
01:10:51.000We're always finding new things to work on.
01:10:54.000I'm far from perfect, but I feel like my game has come a long way since I started working with him.
01:10:58.000Yeah, I really think, we discussed this, I really think that mental coach is going to be just as important as having a striking coach, just as important as having a grappling coach.
01:11:07.000I mean, you're going to have to have a mental coach.
01:11:10.000It's going to be, just like guys have strength and conditioning guys, you know, that they work with on a regular basis, you're going to have some sort of a mental coach that you work with on a regular basis.
01:11:18.000I think it's going to be a really, you know, it's going to be the next big thing here pretty soon.
01:11:28.000Well, I would wonder if someone could do it where they have a microphone that pumps into a tank, where you lie in the sensory deprivation tank and it's mic'd up, which would be very easy to do.
01:11:39.000And as you're lying in there, like, Crash has developed this system.
01:11:43.000Where he actually has a screen that's in front of you as you lie down.
01:11:49.000So as you're floating, the screen is floating above your head.
01:11:52.000And it's so low in its light emissions that you can't see the edge.
01:11:58.000You don't see the border of the screen.
01:12:01.000But because you're in an environment that has no light in it at all other than the screen, it's like these images are floating in the sky in front of your face.
01:12:10.000And in doing so, he believes because you have no distractions, like no physical distractions, you're not feeling the weight, you're not feeling gravity, you're not feeling sensory input, you're not judging space around you, you're just getting the images, you'll learn things quicker.
01:12:25.000Because your body will have no resources that it's demanding of the mind.
01:13:25.000I honestly think they should be removed from fighting, because I think that if you're going to have MMA, if you've got a guy that can hold you down for five minutes, that's what it is.
01:13:34.000In five minutes from now, you're going to be able to get up, and every fight starts, every round starts standing.
01:13:39.000So you think that people should win fights based on not fighting?
01:13:45.000I just don't think that you should win a fight, but your goal in the fight is just to nullify the fight.
01:13:50.000If I can stop this fight from happening for three five-minute rounds, then I win.
01:13:54.000I understand what you're saying, but I think that if a guy can take you down and hold you and control you, he's kicking your ass.
01:14:02.000Even if he's not beating you up the way you would beat a guy up, if you had your druthers, you'd force guys to stand with you and you'd light them up.
01:14:09.000You have a giant advantage over 99.9% of the planet in MMA when it comes to kickboxing.
01:14:15.000Your ideal world is get these guys to just stand with you.
01:15:11.000I mean, he is fighting, but he's fighting you his way.
01:15:14.000He doesn't have the kind of snap to his punches or kicks that you do.
01:15:18.000He doesn't have the kind of arsenal of attacks when it comes to striking that a guy like you does.
01:15:23.000But when it comes to holding motherfuckers down and giving them noogies, punching them in the face, and they can't do shit about it, that's his world.
01:15:30.000And I think for fighting to be realistic, you've got to have guys like that as well.
01:15:35.000Like, a lot of people didn't like Matt Brown and Johnny Hendricks, the last fight.
01:15:41.000I didn't love it because I wanted Matt Brown to lose.
01:15:43.000I loved it from a technical standpoint because you've got a guy like Johnny Hendricks, who is a decorated All-American wrestler, and it just shows you.
01:15:50.000This is what happens when you fight a high-level wrestler like Hendricks.
01:16:05.000If you want to fight in MMA, that's a real fight.
01:16:08.000Now, if Hendrix and Matt Brown fought in a Muay Thai fight, it'd be a completely different fight.
01:16:14.000If Hendrix couldn't shoot for the takedown whenever he was in trouble, and he got stuck, or especially, forget Muay Thai, glory rules, where you can only grapple for five seconds, or you can only clinch for five seconds, then you've got a completely different fight.
01:16:27.000And then you've got a fight where Matt Brown's just throwing elbows and kicks and knees and punches, and just keeps coming at you.
01:16:32.000He's not afraid to throw a flying knee, because he's not worried about getting taken down.
01:16:35.000He's not worried about just blasting you with leg kicks, because you can't grab his legs.
01:16:39.000You can't trip him and throw him down and get on top of him.
01:16:46.000But I think that if you take the guy down and you just lay on top of him, that it's somebody's responsibility for the love of God and the fans to do something and stand him up.
01:16:58.000Or like, you know, my last fight, you know, the referee's like, you guys got improved position or I'm going to stand you up.
01:17:15.000And that's, I mean, the way I obviously have to look at it is that I have to be able to stop him from doing that.
01:17:21.000I mean, that's the reality is I can't allow these guys to continuously do this because let's face it, that's what people are going to do.
01:17:27.000But I think that on the scorecards, if one guy gets dropped and then lays on top of you for three minutes, and then, you know, who wins that round?
01:17:35.000The guy that drops the other guy clean with a punch or the one that lays on top?
01:17:38.000You're talking about your specific fight.
01:17:56.000He didn't do anything to you once he got you down.
01:17:58.000I mean, he stayed active, but there was no moments where, like, you were in trouble.
01:18:01.000The moment where you hit him and dropped him was the most significant moment of that fight by far, because the dude's consciousness was wobbled, his fucking legs gave out, he was on Queer Street, he was in deep shit, but he was able to clinch up with you and was able to turn into a grappling match and survive.
01:18:18.000So when you look at it damage-wise, yeah, that was the closest to him losing consciousness, for sure.
01:18:45.000But I do think that some stalling, like if guys are just running away and they're not doing something, you should be able to penalize them maybe a percentage of a point.
01:18:55.000Like maybe instead of a full point deduction, maybe it's a percentage of a point and all that.
01:19:00.000Because I think the scoring system, 10-point scoring system is retarded.
01:19:03.000The only reason it exists is because it exists for boxing.
01:19:09.000But when you have MMA and you're dealing with takedowns, submission attempts, kicks, punches, elbows, knees, I mean...
01:19:16.000Most people, if you don't know, if you've never watched Muay Thai, Muay Thai is judged very different than MMA and very different than boxing.
01:19:25.000Like, the clinch in Muay Thai is very important.
01:19:28.000Controlling the clinch is one of the most important things.
01:19:30.000Kicks are judged very highly in Muay Thai.
01:19:33.000I think the problem with Muay Thai in the U.S. is that it's refereed by Steve Mazzagati and other people that do, you know, the same guys.
01:19:41.000Like, if you watch a Muay Thai fight in Thailand, the referee actually knows what's going on in the clinch.
01:19:46.000And if there's not shit going on in the clinch, they break you.
01:19:48.000But Steve Mazzagati will let you hold on me when I fought Simon.
01:20:15.000But you know what I'm saying, like someone who's maybe competed in Muay Thai, someone who's been around for a long time, someone understands Muay Thai.
01:20:22.000I mean, I think that goes in anything.
01:20:23.000The people that are judging and the people that are refereeing in any sport should know what the hell they're doing.
01:21:05.000If I don't do my job, there's consequences.
01:21:08.000And all of the athletic commissions on a regular basis, there's constantly mistakes and there's constantly people not doing their jobs correctly and there's no consequences for them.
01:21:17.000There's never anything but the fighter that has to deal with it.
01:21:22.000Manny Pacquiao's fight with Timothy Bradley.
01:21:59.000Boxing has been around for fucking hundreds of years.
01:22:03.000We're not talking about MMA, where there's just really not that many people that are really good practitioners and all the various martial arts that understand all the different positions.
01:22:12.000When you watch in boxing, it's pretty goddamn clear-cut.
01:22:28.000What drives me nuts is how many people have no clue about boxing and are all over the internet now complaining and saying their side of the story.
01:22:36.000The fact is Mayweather is the best in the world of defense and not getting hit and hitting you and not getting hit.
01:22:41.000And the reason this fight was so interesting to everybody is they thought that Manny Pacquiao was going to do something different than what had happened in 48 other Mayweather's fights.
01:22:50.000And it didn't happen and everyone's pissed off at Mayweather about it.
01:22:52.000It's like, that's the same shit he's done his whole career.
01:23:28.000There's definitely a lot of shitty boxing judges.
01:23:31.000I just think that having a shitty boxing judge is almost less excusable than having a shitty MMA judge because there are so many fucking boxing fans.
01:23:40.000There are so many guys that have been doing it for so long.
01:23:43.000And if you listen to, like, Harold Letterman on HBO, I very rarely disagree with that guy.
01:24:29.000There's a reason there's three judges.
01:24:32.000It's because if one of you makes a mistake, the other two will fix it.
01:24:34.000But to have three judges have three completely different scorecards, what are we doing here?
01:24:39.000You know what I think we should do, too?
01:24:41.000Because of the fact that we have the internet today, I think there should be a panel of experts that you just have that are floating online.
01:24:49.000Like, say, like, you know, pick out a bunch of guys, like a guy from Bloody Elbow, a guy from SB Nation, a guy from Sure Dog.
01:24:58.000Have, like, a bunch of guys who are real, legit fans, journalists, guys who have been doing it for a long time, and have that be, like, a fourth judge.
01:25:07.000Like, say if you're in a situation where you got a close fight, have the three people calling at ringside, and then the one group of people that agree online.
01:25:17.000Say maybe 80% of them agree that this guy won.
01:25:21.000And that should count in the scoring system.
01:25:25.000I think having three people is not enough people.
01:25:28.000I think you should have a bunch of people that judge a fight.
01:25:30.000And then you get to a point where it's like, okay, you could question, or you're going to...
01:25:46.000The head of the athletic commission writes you a letter and says, yes, you made valid points, but we need to support Our people, because they don't want to say that our guy screwed up.
01:26:14.000There was a real issue with that with the Nevada State Athletic Commission.
01:26:17.000They ousted the Athletic Commission chamber.
01:26:19.000The head of the Athletic Commission is gone.
01:26:22.000One of my fights, I got swept what was questionably an illegal sweep, and I got slammed on my head, and the referee didn't see it, and let me stand up walking the wrong way, and then I got teed off on.
01:26:53.000Yeah, he's the dude that wasn't gonna bring him up by name.
01:26:55.000I don't think he's a bad guy either, but Kizer's a politician, you know, and that's why he got ousted.
01:27:02.000And then my next fight, I score a knockdown and a jab in the first round, and then the scorecards come out, and two of the judges didn't count the knockdown.
01:27:14.000He won by one, or I lost, he won by one point.
01:27:18.000It was like, where's the, I forget what the score was, but there was no way he could have scored that many points if they would count the knockdown.
01:27:27.000Yeah, there's a lot of shady shit going on when it comes to judging.
01:27:30.000Just the idea that, what drives me crazy is the idea that someone who is not a practitioner, doesn't understand what's happening, has never really been punched in the face probably their whole life, can judge a pro kickboxing bout.
01:27:47.000Especially jujitsu and MMA. Because if you don't understand what the fuck...
01:27:52.000Like, say if a fight goes to the ground and the guy on the bottom is threatening with submissions and the referee, or the judge rather, doesn't score it for him because he doesn't understand how close the guy was to getting tapped.
01:28:03.000Yeah, the guy on the bottom has a knee bar, but he's on the bottom, or an ankle lock, or whatever it is.
01:28:08.000But he's on the bottom, but he's almost got it, you know, and the guy's wincing in pain, but he's on top.
01:29:31.000What do you think about this Reebok sponsorship shit that's going down?
01:29:34.000This is a big deal right now in MMA that Reebok is the official sponsor for the UFC. Fighters can't have independent sponsors when they walk into the cage now.
01:29:43.000And financially, it seems to be a huge disaster for the fighters.
01:29:47.000I think that I'm glad I fight for Bellator and you can sponsor me for Bellator if you'd like.
01:29:51.000And do you have management that they can contact for said sponsorship?
01:30:00.000Yeah, I think whenever you see these guys complaining and talking about the difference in the amount of pay that they're getting, that's not good.
01:31:42.000It's great for Bellator and the guys at Bellator because all of those sponsors that can no longer sponsor in the UFC. Got to go somewhere in June and July.
01:31:51.000What do you think about a fighter's union?
01:31:52.000I mean, I was going back and forth with John Fitch about that today.
01:31:56.000And John Fitch, actually, he posted something.
01:32:15.000I posted something about MMA being illegal in New York.
01:32:20.000There was an article that was posted about New York being the corruption capital of America.
01:32:26.000More corruption in New York than anywhere else.
01:32:30.000And when I posted it, John Fitch said, He said, no.
01:32:35.000The reason MMA is illegal in New York is because of Zufa's treatment of employees, both fighters and hotel workers, which is not really true.
01:32:44.000Even if you disagree with the way UFC treats fighters or hotel workers.
01:32:50.000And when they say hotel workers, they don't mean like...
01:33:57.000The culinary union, when he was talking about hotel workers, what he's talking about is the culinary, the UFC, this is the long and short of it, the UFC is owned by Zufa.
01:34:06.000Zufa also owns, the people that own Zufa also own station casinos.
01:34:11.000They own 20 plus casinos in Vegas and they're non-union.
01:34:14.000The employees voted for them to be non-union.
01:34:18.000The union wanted to turn union because if it was union, they'd make somewhere around $15 million a year just from the station casinos.
01:34:25.000So they've had this campaign for years to try to get the UFC to acquiesce and become union casino, station casino, union casino.
01:34:35.000So they have this smear campaign against the UFC. And so that's what he's saying.
01:34:39.000When he's saying hotel workers, that's what he means.
01:34:40.000He doesn't mean like the UFC shows up and starts beating up hotel workers.
01:35:10.000There's, I guess, a guy named Rob Macy, M-A-Y-S-E-Y. He must be in charge of it.
01:35:17.000And I don't think it's a bad idea to have some sort of an organization that looks out for...
01:35:24.000For fighters and I also think that it's it's super important to have something like Bellator like that is owned by Viacom that starts to come up in the public's consciousness and become bigger and bigger and Have more competition.
01:35:38.000Yeah, I think competition is it's the best The only way you get a fight like Manny Pacquiao versus Floyd Mayweather is you have two bad motherfuckers who are on rival promotions, they get together, and Showtime and HBO both got together and said, listen, let's make some money.
01:35:53.000Let's put this fucking thing together.
01:35:54.000These are the two biggest fighters in the world.
01:35:56.000You're gonna make 4.5 million pay-per-view buys.
01:36:03.000And nothing like that exists in MMA. And if Bellator had a champion, If you become champion at Bellator at 185 pounds and it builds up where you're knocking dudes dead and then whoever is in the UFC at the same time,
01:36:19.000Weidman or Vitor or Jacare or whoever the fuck it is, if it builds up In the public's consciousness, like, this fight has to happen.
01:37:17.000They essentially had a library of DVDs and tapes, which, good luck making $65 million off of that.
01:37:24.000And so then they tried to sell it or tried to sue them, and that didn't really...
01:37:31.000Work I mean good luck trying to sue someone in Japan, right?
01:37:35.000You know you gotta keep flying over to Japan every couple weeks for court dates and yeah, and on top of that just good extension Yeah, while they were While they bought pride they were gonna keep the pride office open and have like, you know They were gonna start running pride events in Japan and they realize how much How hard it is to do.
01:37:59.000They have completely different laws, completely different customs.
01:38:02.000And the people that were working for them, while they had an office running, the people who were working for them started putting together Dream.
01:38:10.000So then they put together their own MMA organization and started putting on their own fights.
01:38:40.000A lot of people don't realize how hard they tried.
01:38:43.000It was like, yeah, if UFC fucking cared about putting on the right fights, they would have had Fedor come over.
01:38:49.000M1 Global, who are the people that promote Fedor, they wanted to have co-promotion rights with the UFC. But the problem is, there's no promotion there.
01:38:59.000It's just the management team of Fedor.
01:39:02.000They wouldn't really be promoting anything.
01:39:22.000Yeah, you're not talking about like Showtime and HBO or like Bob Arum and, you know, and Golden Boy Productions, two established companies.
01:39:29.000You're talking about one company that fucking no one knows and one company that's the NFL of MMA. So it didn't make any sense.
01:39:36.000They offered him a fuckload of money and then Dana always said, listen, you guys gotta realize that this guy can lose and if he loses, this ain't worth shit.
01:39:44.000Like, as soon as he loses, this is not worth anything.
01:39:47.000And then he goes to Strikeforce, and then Verdum triangles him, wraps him up, taps him out, and like, that's it.
01:40:19.000Apparently, the way they do business is, a lot of them will say, we will get together and have a meeting, and we are interested in selling pride.
01:40:27.000And then, you know, then they get together, and everyone gets really excited, and there's all this publicity, and they go, oh, we changed our mind, but we have a big event next week.
01:40:36.000And then they put on this big event, and now they have all this publicity because the UFC is going to buy pride, and then they have the...
01:41:52.000The glory early days of MMA and kickboxing.
01:41:56.000And look, when you look at that, like, say, you know, they definitely did some fuckery, but they put K-1 on the map and therefore kickboxing on the map on a grand scale.
01:42:07.000When you look at those K-1 Grand Prix's and they're in the Tokyo Dome in front of, like, God knows how many thousands of people.
01:42:28.000I've been waiting my whole life for this, yeah.
01:42:30.000Well, I just hope that Glory, and there's a big event that's going on this Friday night.
01:42:34.000They're doing regular events on Spike.
01:42:37.000I just hope that it can achieve the same sort of level in America that the UFC has, or that Pride and K1 had in Japan.
01:42:46.000And I just think if you look at the quality of the the fights that they're putting on it's right up there.
01:42:53.000It's amazing I think they're the best quality as far as the the the level of the strikers the best quality we've ever had guys like you and Nicky Holskin and and Mark Debonk there's like so many guys that are like a super high level in in in glory right now.
01:43:09.000Yeah, it's really exciting They're putting them in the production value on their shows is really good.
01:43:13.000It's I hope people keep tuning in or start tuning in.
01:43:17.000I know their ratings have been a little questionable lately on some really big cards.
01:44:25.000Yeah, but I heard Kirkland I've realized that I watched the you know the countdown show that they were doing about it whatever they call it 24 7 and Kirkland didn't train with Ann Wolfe for this fight No, which is like if you ever thought like a guy definitely should be training with a woman trainer Like in any in any other sports that ever happened a combat sport you'd be like what but if you look at like the shit that Ann Wolfe would make him do and She would get in a truck and she had a heavy bag attached to an arm on the front
01:46:22.000Say if a guy like Rich Franklin had gone through a guy like Marinovich when he fought Anderson Silva, he still would not have been technically able to deal with Anderson's striking.
01:46:53.000You could have trained all day, every day, and it's not going to change.
01:46:56.000You're lacking in that area, you know?
01:46:58.000He also didn't have the answer standing up.
01:47:00.000I mean, even outside of the clinch, you know, when you see Anderson drop his hands and chuck and jive in front of him, my Franklin throws punches and kicks at air, and Anderson's just ducking under the kicks and looking at him like, that was a terrifying place to be when you're standing there with a guy who he knows you can't hit him.
01:47:17.000Did you ever see his fight, Anderson's fight, with Jorge Rivera and Cage Warriors?
01:48:50.000It was weird being there for that and then watching Anderson after it was over, realizing how much pressure was on him when he just laid down and started weeping.
01:51:33.000Yeah, they have two really interesting styles, you know, having fought both of them.
01:51:36.000Artem is very much like Floyd Mayweather, kind of very elusive.
01:51:40.000He'll score his points and then hold and kind of eats up the clock really well.
01:51:44.000And then Simon is one of those just like bull forward, constantly coming forward, constantly trying to, you know, having fought both of them.
01:51:53.000Simon, when you're standing across the ring from Simon, you see somebody you have to knock out.
01:51:58.000He's going to keep coming at me no matter what.
01:53:38.000So like you know your leg kick is and it's a one round.
01:53:41.000It's three minutes and then you have The shin pad is a weird thing, but it's not weird when you think about the fact that the guys wear gloves.
01:54:01.000I always wonder, especially in MMA, why do they have gloves on?
01:54:08.000We've been talking about this a lot lately, that if you wanted to lessen the effectiveness of punching techniques, one of the best ways is to just remove the gloves.
01:54:20.000If you remove the gloves, you make guys fight barehanded, you get to see what's really effective and not effective when it comes to striking.
01:56:40.000In the UFC, are you going to ruin the man or something?
01:56:43.000It kind of does fuck with what you're looking at.
01:56:46.000I mean, it doesn't matter to me if a guy has sponsors all over his shorts, but if he's got like a big sponsor tattooed on his back, it just seems like...
01:57:29.000And he'll knock you out with shots that doesn't mean...
01:57:31.000Vinny and I were talking to him about him the other day.
01:57:34.000It doesn't look like he's trying to hit you hard, but when he throws it all natural and loose, it's like he knows it's gonna knock you out.
01:57:40.000He's knocking people out with body shots that don't look hard, look like they miss and people are dropping.
01:58:38.000You know a lot of apparently not just internal bleeding, but when you have an unbelievably grueling physical event like ultra marathons like look at it up there That's his piss, bro What?
01:59:14.000Well, I have a friend who did an ultramarathon, my friend Cameron Haynes, and he said the same thing, that when you do an ultramarathon, when you pee, it looks like Coca-Cola.
02:01:04.000And he's packing out 100 plus pounds at a time, walking several miles back with 100 plus pounds at elevation, going up mountains, down mountains, and then going back.
02:01:15.000So he, over the course of, you know, X amount of days, when they packed all the meat out, it took them 30 miles of walking with 100 pounds on your back up mountains.
02:01:40.000And these guys that do it, like Cameron, every year goes elk hunting in the mountains, shoots a big elk every year, has to carry it out.
02:01:47.000And so he does all these crazy workouts, and one of them he does, he takes one of these, like a meat backpack, they call it a Tenzing backpack, and he puts 135 pound rock in the backpack and he'll fucking hike up hills with this fucking rock on his back.
02:02:08.000Man, I didn't realize how spoiled we used to go to my buddy's uncle's property and then we'd hike a little bit and then we'd shoot the thing and drag it to where he could get to it and call him and he'd bring a fucking four-wheeler and drag his shit out and we'd hang it in the barn.
02:02:35.000They're not going to hang around near your house.
02:02:37.000They're gonna go up in the mountains and they're trying to get some elk pussy and you gotta sneak up to them and then you gotta call them in and then once you shoot them then you gotta cut them up and drag them out of there.
02:03:38.000It's like I give you see like pull up a little bit from up there above there That's him in the marathon, but there's a picture of his legs.
02:03:45.000We go keep scrolling up up up up up not down up Okay, go down a little There's it there right there like you see like The fucking veins this dude's gotten his legs.
02:03:56.000He's using some sort of massaging tool But that's him.
02:05:18.000And I guess I was younger than that, 17, 18. And we would go hunting every year and there'd be like three or four of us and we'd all get a deer and we would chop up like every little piece.
02:05:28.000And I remember having like deer kebabs like for a whole year.
02:05:31.000We were living off the deer that was in the fridge.
02:06:10.000When I eat that, something about mousse, I think something about those big, athletic, very lean animals, I feel energized when I eat the meat.
02:06:22.000I don't know if they really have an accurate account of all of the properties of various different kinds of meat.
02:06:30.000I would like to see if there's a way to do some sort of double-blind, placebo-controlled effect Test on the difference between eating elk versus chicken, or the difference between eating, you know, alligator versus beef.
02:07:55.000There's a place called Joe Beef in Montreal.
02:07:58.000If you've never been to Montreal, if you ever go up there to train at TriStar or something like that, the best fucking restaurant on earth.
02:09:52.000Yeah, well, I kinda decided, like, when I started getting into hunting, The first time I went hunting, I was like, I'm either going to become a vegetarian or I'm going to become a hunter.
02:10:03.000Like, let's see how I feel after I shoot this animal.
02:10:21.000It's like the idea of mammals, like mammals are the issue.
02:10:25.000So I decided once I did it, like, I'm going to try to eat exclusively in my house only wild game.
02:10:32.000I don't really totally do that because occasionally I'll go buy some bison or something like that from Whole Foods, but almost exclusively in my house I'm eating wild game.
02:13:41.000When the chicks are born, they pack them in special boxes and they send them.
02:13:45.000The boxes have like air holes in them and they send them one day air and it gets to you, you know, express mail, whatever it is, UPS Express, whatever the fuck they call it.
02:13:54.000It gets there and, you know, they give you an alert like, hey, it's going to be coming within one day.
02:14:00.000And then, you know, these animals haven't had any food at all for 24 hours when you get them.
02:14:04.000And you get them and you give them some food.
02:14:06.000And they're these little tiny things, man.
02:14:29.000I have an indoor courtyard in my house, and while I was on Fear Factor, when I was losing my fucking mind, when I was full-blown losing my mind, I was actually thinking about putting a roof over the indoor courtyard, putting thick glass walls all around it,
02:14:48.000Putting like crocodile monitors in there and like feeding them rabbits like having my own Jurassic Park Like having like a little opening throw a rabbit through there and watch the crocodile monitors attack it and devour it I might come on that would be the dopest shit ever but the problem is those motherfuckers if they get really big you can't really stop them like if they want to attack you they'll get like seven eight nine feet long and Also,
02:20:51.000I'm sure if you're nice to them, but you have to be around them all the time.
02:20:54.000It's like having a baby that never stops being a baby.
02:20:57.000See, somebody was telling me that they had, I mean, it wasn't that kind of, I forget what it was called, but it was like, they get about, it was like a little outbreak monkey, whatever that's called.
02:21:07.000She was telling me that her dad had bought one off of some people that was already full grown.
02:21:14.000And loved the dad, but it hated, like females get really possessive over the males.
02:22:02.000The type of crazy bitch that's going to have a chimp and have him walk around with diapers on is the same type of crazy bitch that's going to give a chimp Xanax.
02:29:20.000They don't know if they're doing it just for food or if they're doing it because they want to bring the female to estrus quicker.
02:29:26.000So it could be both, or it could be the side effect of them doing it for food is the female comes into estrus quicker.
02:29:33.000But when I was bear hunting in Alberta, we got to watch a male try to get this female's cubs, and the female fought the male off, and we're like 30, 40 yards away from this.
02:30:06.000But it's kind of fucked when you see it.
02:30:07.000Like, the guys, while we were in camp, one of the guys witnessed a male kill one of the cubs, and then he ate half of it, and then the female came over and chased him away eventually, and then she ate the rest of her own cub.
02:30:41.000And we definitely wouldn't kill a female with cubs.
02:30:43.000And when the male came over, it was also getting dark.
02:30:49.000Where it was totally on that borderline where you're not really sure you could see exactly where you're shooting, especially with a bow and arrow.
02:31:28.000Yeah, these are this is in fucking New Jersey, dude New Jersey has such a bear population problem.
02:31:34.000New Jersey has the largest population of bears per capita in North America Big-ass fucking black bears and they're fighting over who controls the garbage like the territory where the garbage is These fucking bears are biting each other in the face in front of people's cars and they're big I mean these are several hundred pounds these fucking bears If you go earlier than that,
02:31:57.000you get to see them knock over the garbage cans.
02:32:56.000So they have real problems when a bear like this, when a bear gets a hold of your garbage, like these bears, they're going to war right here because they've found a spot where the garbage is.
02:33:06.000So look at these fucking guys just duking.
02:36:03.000Because if you can hunt, and you can hunt with a rifle, what a silencer does is it eliminates the sound.
02:36:08.000I mean, it doesn't eliminate it totally, but that big boom, it's...
02:36:13.000Do you want the boom like why doesn't make any sense?
02:36:16.000It's like it's one of those weird things where people aren't they're not thinking Logically and objectively when they create laws like they think that someone's gonna like snipe people and you're not gonna hear it and someone's gonna die and get shot But the reality is if somebody shoots you like it Doesn't matter if there was a bang or not.
02:36:34.000Yeah, it's the rifle still works You have to have a silencer on your muffler.
02:36:39.000You have to have a silencer on lawn equipment, lawn mowers, anything.
02:36:44.000You have to use some sort of a muffler, but not on rifles.
02:37:07.000You know, I think part of it is, I think it's just numbers.
02:37:11.000You're also dealing with 350 million people in this country.
02:37:14.000Who knows how many thousands and thousands of police officers?
02:37:18.000Who knows how many incidents they have to deal with?
02:37:20.000Who knows how many people are incompetent?
02:37:22.000And the ones that are incompetent, they get highlighted, videotaped, put out there.
02:37:26.000And I also think that there's a culture that they have developed of doing shit in a fucked up way that people don't like, that they got away with for a long time.
02:37:36.000And then cell phones and cameras and YouTube came along and now everybody's super aware of it.
02:38:28.000I think it was domestic violence or something.
02:38:30.000I don't even know what it was, but it was, like, the older woman walks out, and then the husband walks out right behind him, and he was like, oh, drop it, blah, blah, blah, and the guy's like, what?
02:38:40.000And then, and they shot him, like, nine times.
02:38:42.000And then they don't even go up to, like, help the guy, you know?
02:38:45.000It's like, I find almost like these guys are just looking...
02:38:49.000For that opportunity for when it's okay than more so like when it's necessary.
02:38:53.000There's a lot of them that definitely do that.
02:38:55.000There's a lot of them that are just too stupid to be cops.
02:38:57.000But I think most people are unqualified to be cops.
02:39:01.000We've talked about this ad nauseum on this podcast.
02:39:03.000I just think that we have to appreciate the fact that being a cop is a fucking ridiculously hard job.
02:39:09.000You want to talk about PTSD for soldiers, but nobody talks about PTSD for cops.
02:39:13.000Cops are dealing with horrible shit every fucking day of the week, and most of them are doing a great job, and the ones that do a great job you don't hear anything about.
02:39:20.000It's the ones that fuck up and shoot like that guy in South Carolina that shot that guy as he was running away.
02:40:21.000Yeah, my dad was just really upsetting and disgusting and I have kids and to have see all this shit right now It's just really scary and worry about your sons getting involved in something have some asshole cop do something.
02:40:31.000Yeah, I mean Mike my uh my bit my wife my fiancee Yeah, it sounded really bad.
02:40:39.000She's mixed, and we have two boys, and one of them looks white, and the other one looks mixed and black.
02:40:46.000Yeah, this racial shit and ignorance is upsetting.
02:40:53.000I'm hoping that all this anger, and all these protests, and all these videos that are coming out, and all these YouTube videos, and all these people that are rising up, that it's going to change things.
02:42:03.000I just think that people panic about that kind of stuff and people always love talking about some tyrannical conspiracy when the government comes in.
02:42:11.000Even when you try not to, it's like someone says something and you...
02:42:29.000My brother and I. We didn't talk about this the last time and this was something that was controversial after our podcast because during the man-hoof training camp, your dad died.
02:42:41.000My dad and I had like a weird relationship.
02:42:43.000My dad and I had like a falling out probably 10 or 12 years ago.
02:42:49.000I hadn't spoken in 10 years and he came to one of my fights when I've won Glory 10 with Artham Levin and it was one of the biggest things that Vinny helped me work on.
02:43:01.000I found out my dad had cancer and like My reaction when my brother and sister told me was like, fuck him.
02:43:18.000When I started talking to Vinny, I mentioned that my dad had cancer and I didn't know how I felt about it because part of me cared at some point.
02:43:27.000We did some, like, he called it timeline therapy, and we had a, this is not at all what I was planning on talking about, but we, he asked me all of these scenarios, like, think of a time in your life when you were really proud, and then think of a time when you were really upset, and, like, all these different emotions.
02:43:43.000And he didn't know what it was about or what was going to happen.
02:43:47.000And every one of the things that he talked about was my dad.
02:43:49.000Like, every one of those times was a time with my dad.
02:43:53.000And he did, like, the, you know, the whole session or whatever.
02:43:57.000At the end of it, I just had no more resentment or anger toward my dad and it was really weird and It was like this chip on my shoulder like my whole life and at one point for a long time I used to think about my dad before I would fight when I was fighting professionally like I would use not necessarily like I'm fighting my dad but like to shove it up his ass like look what I'm gonna do you know and I realized that like that anger that I had and And that I used to tap into all the time was actually like holding me back.
02:44:56.000Like knowing the resentment that you had towards your father and the anger and the bad relationship, like never wanting it to get to that place.
02:46:25.000They did a graph or whatever to see where the cancer had grown or whatever over a period of time.
02:46:30.000They were shocked that 90% of the cancer had died.
02:46:35.00090% of the cancer was dead and 10% of the cancer that was still alive was completely surrounded in dead cells so that they couldn't get even medicine to it and it couldn't grow.
02:47:50.000Within less than two months, her cancer had shrunk by 30%.
02:47:56.000She had been doing chemo, and they were saying that her immune system was so devastated by the chemo that the chemo was probably going to kill her quicker than the cancer was, and they had recommended her stopping chemo.
02:48:06.000And he was just in full desperation mode.
02:48:31.000Those stories, you hear so many of them, it's almost like they seem like anecdotal fairy tales because until it happens to someone you actually know and care about, And then you start getting angry.
02:48:42.000Like, this is what these goddamn assholes that are making laws in this country and fighting against us, the lobbyists and the people that are working for the pharmaceutical companies that are actively trying to suppress this information.
02:48:53.000You are keeping one of the best ways to heal these people.
02:49:00.000And they won't even tell you about it, which is just atrocious.
02:49:03.000They're giving my brother the talk that my dad is going to die and it's terminal and all this stuff.
02:49:11.000For, you know, weeks and weeks and weeks, he's going to the doctor and finally my brother's like, hey, so, you know, what about, you know, medical marijuana?
02:49:18.000Is that something that, and they were like, oh yeah, we can prescribe him Marinol, but we just can't, you know, there's no question that the cannabis or THC, whatever it is, cannabis helps fight cancer, but we can't, we can't refer, you have to ask, we can't just offer it to you.
02:49:33.000And then they gave him the prescription for Marinol, which is like the government pharmaceutical form of the pill, which is probably way weaker than the CBD oil than we were giving him.
02:49:47.000So yeah, like, we got the call, I got the call from my dad, or my brother, that my dad had passed away.
02:49:52.000I think it was three weeks before the Melvin Manoff fight.
02:49:56.000And I flew home to Florida with my brother and sister and figure out the situation, what we were going to do.
02:50:04.000And my brother picked me up from the airport and we went straight to the bar to have it out about my dad.
02:50:11.000And when we got back to his house, my uncle had called.
02:50:16.000We just assumed that my uncle was calling to give us his, you know, sorry about your dad.
02:50:22.000And my sister answers the phone and my uncle was hysterical.
02:50:26.000I guess my cousin Cody, who was 23, was very close with this huge fan of mine, had fallen off a balcony on their vacation and died the same night.
02:50:36.000So it was a ton of stuff to deal with that last, you know, two weeks before my fight.
02:50:43.000Again, I talked to Vinny, and he helped me stay focused on what I needed to do to handle business in that fight.
02:50:51.000Vinny Shorman, can't thank him enough for that stuff.
02:50:54.000That's gotta be unbelievably difficult to deal, both of those things, unbelievably difficult to deal with while you're trying to focus on, especially fighting a guy like Manhoff, which is a scary fuck.
02:51:05.000Every post anybody tags me in is like Moe and Manhoff's highlight reel.
02:51:24.000You know regularly and like I'd be like half a mile in and just be exhausted because all of this mental stuff just wears on you and You know I had this internal battle of myself, you know should I pull out of the fight should not pull out of the fight and I Talked to Vinny and I was like, you know, I just I don't know what to do and He was like he's just a dick actually.
02:51:43.000He was like He was like your dad and your cousin died and I was like yes, and he's like and that that's sad and I'm like yes, and he's like and and You're never gonna see them again.
02:51:55.000And I'm like, yeah, man, I'm never gonna see him again.