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00:03:53.000You didn't hear about this like a year ago?
00:03:55.000Can you imagine having the first generation of them?
00:03:57.000Well, I was in Miami the other day, and I saw this woman that had an artificial butt, like the most obvious artificial butt I've ever seen.
00:06:37.000...that has, like, carpets over the fucking bar so you can't see in, and you smell cooking, and the guards are getting mad because they don't have fans, so they're frying steaks in there, and it's...
00:15:54.000Well, I was talking to this lady yesterday, Dr. Rhonda Patrick, this brilliant doctor, and she was talking about the effects of aging on the effects of partying, drinking, and just bad health, and how much it can age your body, age literally your biological body.
00:17:20.000The three men make up the Opie and Anthony Show, a popular radio program known for its cringe style of entertainment and having very few limits.
00:18:31.000Yeah, Brian and I, we had done some other shit before.
00:18:34.000We had done, like, Justin TV, and we had done, like, these little things where, you know, you do, like, a little live read off the laptop camera and talk to people and answer Twitter questions and shit.
00:18:45.000We fucked around with that a few times.
00:18:46.000But when Anthony set up his green screen in his basement and started doing that live from the compound show, I was like, whoa.
00:21:17.000You know, and they're just so cool like that.
00:21:19.000What they did was they turned it into like a fun place to hang out.
00:21:24.000So everybody got funnier because of that.
00:21:27.000Like, it was way, like, Patrice, the kind of shit Patrice did on ONA, you literally could not have done that on any other radio format, because people had to know Patrice, give him the room, like, let him get these rants out, you gotta know, like, when the rants are coming, you gotta help him along, and you gotta not,
00:21:42.000like, wanna be the center of attention.
00:21:45.000Like, they had the best, the best, uh, control of the room, because, like, Opie would just lay back.
00:21:51.000He would just lay, like, literally, you'd see him push back and let Norton and Patrice and you, you guys would all be fucking yelling at each other It would be hilarious.
00:21:59.000I mean, when you've been doing radio that long, trust me, there's nothing better than having good guests where you can sit back and let them, because you're tired of carrying this shit.
00:22:07.000But think about how few shows are ever like that.
00:22:18.000Well, yeah, because that was a unique situation because we were also on TV. Right.
00:22:23.000Simulcast, so direct TV. That was weird.
00:22:24.000So there had to be more structure, which to me was the problem.
00:22:28.000And I already wanted less structure, too.
00:22:32.000The minute TV got involved, which is where they allowed us to get paid what we did and stuff, But, you know, it takes kind of the fucking craziness.
00:22:39.000You can get away with a lot of shit on radio.
00:22:41.000You can get away with a lot of shit on radio, and you can get away with a lot of shit on the internet.
00:22:47.000And when you look at something that's on DirecTV like that, I'm like, boy, isn't there a better way to advertise?
00:22:52.000Can't you guys have just like a ticker at the bottom?
00:22:55.000Wouldn't that be a better way to advertise?
00:22:59.000And doing every 15 minutes, you do like however long it is, like seven minutes or eight minutes off the air where it's just bullshit and commercials, then you come back.
00:24:59.000That a SeaWorld guy had infiltrated PETA and was working from the inside at PETA to try to destroy PETA by saying a bunch of ridiculous shit, and he was an employee of SeaWorld.
00:26:52.000If you guys can't relate to that, I'm fucking leaving.
00:26:54.000You haven't noticed a pattern of emasculation in movies in the last 20 years?
00:26:59.000I think there's people that are seriously concerned with coming off as progressive.
00:27:04.000And even if they think differently than what would be the progressive choice, they will make the progressive choice because they get social brownie points.
00:27:50.000I go, and again, I was just kidding, but I go, I don't know, I see like in the pilot, she's pregnant, and I push her down the cell of stairs.
00:27:58.000And I'm expecting, like, Dennis to start laughing, and Serper goes, Jimmy Serper goes, and they all just look at me, you could have fucking her in a pen.
00:28:05.000So the next day, Jimmy Serper had to send a dozen roses to the lady from NBC. Oh my god.
00:28:30.000There was some shenanigans behind the scenes.
00:28:33.000Somebody was trying to get their friend in on the part that Nick was playing, and I had cast Nick as my one brother and Callan as my other brother.
00:28:41.000I'm like, if you want it to be funny, how about I bring you two really funny stand-ups that I'm actually friends with?
00:30:10.000And we had another scene where we were supposed to, I don't know if we were beating you up or one of the brothers, but we were hitting you with a glass coffee pot over the head, and we started stomping on you, and they watched you through the thing, and they go, it looks like Goodfellas.
00:30:22.000It looks like you're killing somebody.
00:30:24.000Apparently I was too Italian for this.
00:32:33.000Yeah, these have the, you know, you're doing those burpee push-ups and suicides and 30 minutes with it, you know, and you get a break like every five minutes, you get like a 10-second break.
00:32:41.000And it keeps my, you know, it allows me to have cigarettes after I work on it.
00:32:45.000You could do that on the Xbox with the camera that records you so it knows if you're not doing the arm high enough.
00:33:16.000Because if you did an instructional and you're showing a guy how to throw a kick, if you put it on a computer where the lines of the guy's legs were clearly defined, you would know if his knee wasn't high enough or if his hands were down or if his back was...
00:36:18.000Yeah, I liked the dialogue between her and her husband, but when I got into the silly shit with her falling into chocolate and shit, which is what made her famous...
00:37:00.000It was a good thing for her to be dating this guy with this funky accent.
00:37:05.000Whereas from then on, from the embargo on, it became, you know, this enemy that lived off our shores and the Castro years and all that crazy shit and the Bay of Pigs and the fucking Russian missiles where they're putting missiles in Cuba,
00:38:56.000Give yourself one night a week where you really go off and you're allowed to have sandwiches, you're allowed to fucking stay up and eat cookies and milk.
00:39:03.000I'll have like a night a week where I just eat like a fucking slob in front of the TV. But that's like going, you know, get a nice blowjob and then fucking no more blowjobs for another six days.
00:40:17.000They give you this detailed directions for how to cook something with photographs and all the right portions, all the right food and the right portions.
00:46:58.000Like in Pittsburgh, you could hit fungos in there and fucking practice punting, and you couldn't hit the ceiling.
00:47:04.000The key to a good comedy club, and how people who open comedy clubs don't know this at this point, because comedy clubs have been around for fucking ever, is a low ceiling.
00:48:42.000This is the most ridiculous fucking show of all time.
00:48:46.000Just standing in a bar in a basement somewhere in Boston, doing comedy, holding a microphone, looking at guys right in front of me with, you know, my voice is loud.
00:50:19.000And you could do, in the 80s, you could do, Christ, like 18 months in, I was closing two or three rooms on a Friday night, coming home with $600, $700 in cash.
00:50:29.000There were so many outside booking agents, between Billy Downs and Barry, and then there was a bunch of other smaller ones, and there was like Shari Hirsch and Norm LaFoe, they had gigs like in Western Massachusetts, John Shuler if you wanted to go to Connecticut, and everybody,
00:50:45.000like Boston Comedy had so many fucking rooms, man.
00:50:49.000Every pub, and people always ask me that when I started out, every pub and restaurant in New England, not just Massachusetts, You can look at my book my first year.
00:50:58.000I'd be at like a ski lodge in Burlington, Vermont on Monday night.
00:51:01.000Tuesday night at a Chinese restaurant in Providence, Rhode Island.
00:51:04.000Wednesday night back in the city at Stitches.
00:51:07.000You know, Thursday at a Mexican restaurant in Franklin, Massachusetts.
00:51:11.000If you ever talk to Louis C.K., he's got them all memorized.
01:00:51.000Because I dreamt something once a long time ago, and I remembered that I had told somebody about this dream, and then I forgot that that was...
01:01:27.000We could be talking about something and I'll go, what did we just say?
01:01:31.000There's like blips of missing information.
01:01:34.000But I think that those blips exist because there's a vacuum created by all this new shit that's flying at you.
01:01:41.000And I think the new shit's flying at you, if you're still trying to hold on to your thought you just had a couple moments ago, you're resisting the zen of the experience of the marijuana.
01:06:51.000I remember growing up, my friend's dad was like a vice president of this big insurance company, and they had one on their TV. So it was kind of weird that they had one.
01:09:06.000Yeah, because this way we just have a conversation.
01:09:08.000The other way of interrupting, doing it in the beginning was always awkward because the guests would be sitting there and I'd have to go through five minutes of stupid ads.
01:09:16.000And then doing it in the middle was always out of the question.
01:09:23.000It looks like in 2005 Nielsen started using things like TiVo and cable boxes and stuff like that and even finding when people turned off a show so they even know how accurate as if the first commercial break if people left the show.
01:11:04.000They should have that if, like, you're in a nightclub, and you're gonna...
01:11:08.000Pick up a chick, you hold it up to her and see if she's fucking crazy, you know?
01:11:12.000Tells you her IQ. I don't think it would work that way.
01:11:14.000But if they could tell you your heart rate from Xbox One, imagine if you could fucking put it in front of a girl and just tell you how crazy she is.
01:11:21.000They give you like a 1 to 10, just scans her body and lets you know, like, look what's going on in her hand.
01:11:26.000There's a fucking ping-pong game happening right now.
01:11:29.000They're different personalities and throwing balls at each other.
01:13:30.000But if there was like wild game preserves near Four Seasons in Hawaii, and dudes are coming in with like gutted moose or something like that, people would freak the fuck out.
01:13:39.000You can come with a marlin, big 1,500 pound marlin, nobody gives a shit.
01:17:44.000Sharks are just such a strange animal that they've got to a stage of existence where they just maintain the exact same form for hundreds of millions of years.
01:17:55.000That's all they've been doing for hundreds of millions of years.
01:23:40.000I guess you could get everything warmed up first with that.
01:23:43.000Like, if you were hell-bent on, like, stimulating or simulating some sort of a wild gorilla fuckfest, what you do is you just squeeze the shit out of that thing until your legs reach fatigue, and, you know, all the while you've got to, like, play with yourself.
01:23:57.000And then once you realize that your legs are about to give in, that's when you start shoving the dildo inside you.
01:24:12.000I was just thinking if you really wanted to have, you know, if you want to use the Thighmaster for orgasms, if you were trying to masturbate with it, that'd be the only way.
01:24:21.000You have to use it to make your legs tired.
01:24:23.000Unless you turn it on so it's like this, like a pyramid, like the balls at the top, and then you put it down and the girls sit on it and push down like they ride it like this while it vibrates.
01:26:32.000There's so many funny things that Cosby did in the past that now are a lot more funnier now because of all the, you know, like when Coke 2 came out, there was a commercial, and I forget what the tagline was.
01:29:49.000There's definitely a difference in the vibe.
01:29:52.000That's the different vibe that you get when you're in L.A., It's just it's just way different than the vibe that you get in New York and especially like comedy clubs the New York comedy club vibe is like very hostile It's a different kind of not anymore though a comedy cell is like a tourist trap and really yeah Louie's show is so popular people come from all over now and And they see the Comedy Cellar,
01:30:15.000you know, they showed at the beginning of Louisa.
01:30:17.000And like the early shows there are like, sometimes you're like, well, how did that joke swing and miss?
01:30:23.000Then after the show, the door is like, well, that whole 14 people, they're from like fucking Sweden.
01:31:12.000I met this guy last night that is a counselor in Florida, and I have to leave tomorrow.
01:31:19.000I was trying to figure out what way to have this guy talk to me about what the fuck he did.
01:31:24.000When I hear about a scam, a money scam, a crazy money scam, this guy was working with drug rehabilitation people in Florida, and like, you know, fucking...
01:31:35.000Dealing with people that have all these drug addictions and all the different prescriptions that they would put them on and how much money they would get.
01:31:41.000He was telling me that they would charge people like $1,500 a day to keep someone a patient in their institution.
01:31:49.000Can you set up a microphone over here?
01:33:02.000Yeah, well, all these people were saying that, like, that's an affront to feminism, and people are mad at her now, and, you know, it doesn't promote feminism for her to suck on a robot's finger.
01:33:34.000Put those headphones on, too, if you would.
01:33:36.000Yeah, it's a real problem with comedy.
01:33:40.000A big part of what comedy is is saying shit you don't really mean, because it's the funny thing to say.
01:33:45.000And if you're going to cut off that, and you're going to make it really difficult for people to express themselves honestly, you're going to get shittier and shittier comedy.
01:33:53.000You're going to have to only say what you mean, always.
01:34:43.000I mean, it's a process they set up to addict you from the beginning.
01:34:47.000I mean, they bring you in for a 30-day rehab.
01:34:49.000What I'm talking about are government-funded facilities, you know, Medicare facilities.
01:34:53.000They get you to come in, and for 30 days, they basically switch out whatever hard drugs you're on with their synthetic drugs.
01:34:59.000The facility owners get $1,500 a day per patient, inpatient facility, and then they're discharged.
01:35:08.000You're kind of pushed to say, hey, discharge them to our outpatient facility, because then they make another $500 to $700 a day per patient for four to eight weeks.
01:35:23.000It's crazy because the patients want the drugs in the hospital, but the hospital owners take care of the patients almost like they're VIP clients at the Ritz-Carlton.
01:36:39.000And then, you know, treat you in some pompous manner and dance around you for half an hour hoping you figure some shit out.
01:36:45.000So for people that get hooked on drugs and they get involved in some sort of recovery program like that where they instantly take the drugs that they were on and they put them on another drug that just has a similar effect but it's legal.
01:36:55.000I mean, they really don't do anything.
01:38:14.000I'm essentially their fucking travel agent.
01:38:16.000I mean, the book, what I talk about, Addicted to the Process.
01:38:19.000What incentive does somebody have to quit doing drugs, all right?
01:38:23.000Let's say you have a very minimal education, nothing going for you.
01:38:26.000I can quit doing heroin and cocaine and maybe go, I don't know, clean shit for a living or something.
01:38:32.000But then I can't even have a drink to waste away the shit day I just had.
01:38:36.000So what they do is they'll come into a 30-day treatment facility, do their 30 days, but it's bed and breakfast, it's drugs, it's smoking, it's sex even at most of them.
01:38:55.000And then after 30 days, by law, I have to find them where they're going to live, where they're going to get their next drugs from, and how they're going to get there, and their doctor.
01:39:04.000So, it eliminates all the ambition they might have to get their shit together.
01:39:15.000I was on heroin for a while, not me, but let's say I was.
01:39:17.000And I walk in, I do 30 days, I meet some new fine-ass chick in an AA meeting that sees life the way I do, and we're going to conquer this together.
01:39:24.000So we get discharged to say, I don't know, I've always wanted to see Savannah.
01:39:28.000Well, by law, I've got to discharge them, find their house, find their doctor.
01:39:36.000Then they go to outpatient facility, four to eight weeks on our dime again, just to hang out with more people that don't want to quit, party some more for a while, only to relapse and go, well, I guess I'll admit myself to this Savannah Rehab then, do another 30 days, come out, and now they go, well,
01:40:09.000There was Dom Herrera we were hanging around with, and it was hard to get a real bead on how deep this went.
01:40:16.000Just with all those other people around all that but what you're saying doesn't make any sense because it seems like not that I don't believe you but it seems like that would have been so obvious a long time ago that that's a ridiculous way to do things You can't, because if I'm like a licensed therapist,
01:40:32.000if I say anything, I get blackballed from ever working at any facility again.
01:40:36.000So no therapist, after you go get a $150,000 degree, you got debt you got to pay, if you speak out against what's happening, you're blackballed, and that's it, and all these facility fat owners know each other.
01:43:56.000Oh my god, what a wacky ass fucking state.
01:43:59.000So what he was telling me last night, we were talking about the OxyContin Express, that documentary about all the people that were getting these OxyContin prescriptions from those pain management centers.
01:44:09.000And he said that they had replaced it with Zaboxone.
01:44:12.000And he started telling me, because he told me he was a drug counselor, and I was like, oh, I need to fucking hear what's going on down there.
01:44:18.000I didn't expect the can of worms that you opened up.
01:44:47.000Different plans, so they have like 90 lifetime days that every year rebirth, and then you have 160 days during the year.
01:44:55.000So you can go in 30 days, come out 30, wait 30, it repopulates again.
01:45:00.000Now, the patients, the people that use this, they know these systems better than the doctors do, better than the insurance specialists and everything.
01:45:38.000So there's two or three friends that are close with the owners that work in the, well, it's not sales department, it's the admissions department, but we all know it as the sales department.
01:46:09.000Hey, I know you're fighting sobriety and may have been sober for three months, but why don't you come back for medication adjustment?
01:46:15.000So if you were really feeling sober and you had kind of like graduated past the demons of the pills and you were off of it, but then you got that phone call.
01:50:40.000We pay $1,500 a day and we don't drug test them at all.
01:50:43.000We drug test them when they get there just to find out all the shit they're on so if they give them other shit they don't accidentally kill them.
01:53:08.000And so what I'm doing is, I use my theory, and instead of sitting down doing this talk therapy, so tell me about your fucking childhood or some shit.
01:53:16.000Because none of that shit really matters, but to a point.
01:53:19.000But it's going right into helping people kind of look at what their life philosophy is, you know, helping them build a more rational life philosophy to make decisions and build a purposeful routine is what I call it, a purposeful structure.
01:53:30.000So do you get clients from, like, you get them privately now?
01:54:31.000If they had a fucking mushroom place where you can go, just like they're doing with the Suboxone shit, if you had, like, a halfway mushroom house?
01:54:36.000Well, like you said, that shit changes your perspective sometimes, right?
01:54:39.000On life, so it might even work in the...
01:56:10.000See, I don't know enough about those fucking pills to know exactly what that means.
01:56:13.000You know, like, I didn't know that Oxycontin is different than Oxycodone, it's different than Vicodin, but they're all kind of similar, right?
01:56:22.000After all that Oxycontin Express stuff, they changed the compounds in it so it became less addictive and also so you couldn't smoke it anymore.
01:56:49.000And there was another desk right there that had the drugs.
01:56:52.000I mean like literally he was like in the same room as him and he would go right to the pharmacist.
01:56:56.000The pharmacist would write you a little thing and give you a package and you're out the door and you've got drugs.
01:57:00.000One of the clients I worked with, his scam that he used to do is he would get like three or four big charter buses, those giant ones, and fill it with senior citizens from another state.
01:57:10.000Drive them down to Florida and promise them a trip to Florida, sightseeing, and lunch.
01:57:14.000Drive them down here, get all their scripts, fill them all completely, drive them back, and keep all of their medications.
01:58:33.000It's a convincing argument against big government, for sure.
01:58:36.000It's a convincing argument that people, when you give them the opportunity to make a shitload of money by controlling a segment of anything, whether it's, you know, whatever it is, mental health, anything, as soon as they figure out there's a spot where they can start extracting money, They just do it.
01:59:09.000A lot of the people that I've seen in these hospitals, you see a glimmer of hope that want to do that, but then they're hit by the same phrase I get way fucking tired of hearing.
01:59:26.000That's like a blanket statement for the times we live in.
01:59:29.000Nobody's responsible for anything or accountable for anything.
01:59:32.000That happened in the 70s, too, when Mr. Carl Rogers came out with positive psychology, when we sit in front of you and tell you how great you are at everything, despite how shitty you are at everything.
01:59:40.000And so as we start to tell you you're great at everything, now we can go, well...
02:01:47.000I mean, we got people all cooped up, telling them they got fucking personal defects, whatever the fuck that means, and then sitting them in a circle and going...
02:02:25.000I saw a Kickstarter the other day, a guy who did Ren and Stimpy, I forget his name, a very popular artist, and he wants to do a new cartoon.
02:04:00.000I mean, you've eventually got to pull everything and go, alright, we have to fix this first and then we'll move on, you know?
02:04:06.000One person or one field or one group of people has to finish the antibiotic to help out with the virus before we're just passing out to everybody.
02:04:12.000Did you ever feel while you were working there that you were engaged in like a system that will never be fixed?
02:06:32.000And now that these cold-pressed coffees, everyone has these cold-pressed, they're like 10 times the amount of caffeine than a regular iced coffee.
02:06:41.000This is 10 times more than an iced coffee from Starbucks, and iced coffee from Starbucks is 10 times more than a hot coffee from Starbucks.
02:07:11.000It changed my life, but I don't want to put it out there and people may think that it really does what I'm gonna say it does, but it's what it did for me.
02:07:43.000I had Dr. Rhonda Patrick on the podcast yesterday, and she's amazing, and she was talking about addiction.
02:07:48.000And she was talking about people with impulse control issues and related that to serotonin deficiencies and 5-HTP and L-tryptophan, which is what new moods made out of, which converts to serotonin in your body and how important that is to maximize that.
02:08:03.000Literally, your impulse control and addictions and things like that can be affected by those chemicals that are in your brain.
02:08:09.000And you can supplement those chemicals and literally change the way you behave.
02:09:27.000It's called the Bill Hicks Bar, and this guy owns a bar called the Bill Hicks Bar, and it's this really small bar, and you walk in, and it's the most amazing little hole-in-the-wall bar.
02:09:35.000Drinks are super cheap, and he's just a huge Hicks fan.
02:11:37.000That was one thing that Rhonda was covering yesterday, like the effect of inflammation of sugar when you eat it and what it does to your gut health.
02:12:56.000No, I stole it from my friend D, but it's a shirt trying to get awareness that if, you know, the drug problem, what they're doing, the cartels are over there, this is how the kids are coming up.
02:13:05.000And it's just kind of doing awareness.
02:16:35.000The sex offender one is a fucked up one, because there's evidence that shows that when you molest a child, that child is more likely, you could damage them so fucked up, they're more likely to molest somebody else.
02:16:47.000Like, you can literally infect them with the sickness that you have.
02:16:51.000Most people that are molesters have been molested.
02:17:37.000That's like 17 and 18. And one of the reasons why it's different...
02:17:40.000No, I'm talking 14, with a nice ass...
02:17:45.000Do you think there's less molesters now since porn has become so available and more available to people that you think there's less molesters?
02:17:56.000One of the arguments is that if you give people a release, like video games or like watching even like really offensive, violent porn, that you release that tension inside of them.
02:18:06.000And the other argument is that it stimulates their fantasy and they want to go out and make it reality.
02:18:11.000I don't I don't know which one's right.
02:20:00.000I thought Florida was weird when I was, like, 18. It's fucked up, man.
02:20:05.000When Cops first came out, I go, is there any episodes not from fucking Florida?
02:20:09.000I was asking that years ago, and now, like, comics, there's a ton of comics who do that premise now, but I was like, every episode's from, what the fuck's going on in Ocala?
02:21:51.000He has this thing where, like, if you go around a bunch of black people, yell like a black guy, like, yell something out, someone will, like, yell back.
02:23:37.000I went through immigration in Florida, landed from Costa Rica to Florida, and the person at the counter in Costa Rica, when they were writing the, you know, the, what is the, the dock?
02:23:48.000Whatever it is when they have to take account of everybody who's in the airplane.
02:24:23.000And they're all going through because there was some sort of an error.
02:24:26.000And then once you get through that, you go into another room because they know that your baggage, if you flew from somewhere else, you have a connecting flight, they know your baggage is never going to fucking make it.
02:25:48.000But after a while, it's five years old, three hours in this fucking stupid line, only to get up to find out that somebody just wrote my name down wrong.
02:28:54.000I mean, AA and NA, I'm not going to front, has helped millions.
02:28:58.000I mean, I'm a fan of whatever works for you.
02:29:00.000I mean, if somersaults work for you, fucking do that if it helps you.
02:29:03.000So I couldn't bash anything that helps people.
02:29:06.000But I will point out some flaws in systems.
02:29:09.000I mean, the cult-like existence of it.
02:29:12.000And then you tell them to change people, places, and things, but I need you every day to meet with the same people at the same places talking about the same things.
02:30:28.000What is the difference between heroin and methadone?
02:30:31.000I know methadone is really bad for you, but when I used to play pool in New York, I used to play at executive billiards in White Plains that was down the street from this methadone clinic.
02:30:40.000And so we would call them the Methadonians.
02:32:29.000So if they run out and their co-pay hasn't come up yet or their days haven't flipped yet or they've sold all the pills, then they just stop by and they see the same guy.
02:32:37.000It's the same dude on the corner most of the time.
02:32:38.000He's like, what is it, the Suboxone or the heroin?
02:33:28.000I'd say half of the people in the group start out that way.
02:33:31.000They make us manage a group of like 15 to 22 if it's Medicare, and that's the group therapy I'm running.
02:33:36.000Many times I'm in 28-30, which is also a violation completely.
02:33:41.000But, I'd say half the people in there were just normal guys, you know, that got an injury, or girls, you know, got an injury, something happened, car wreck or something, you know, here's a pill, before you know it, you know, divorce, lost everything, you know, had some epilepsy or some seizures, and then they're sitting in there going,
02:38:06.000It's a classic way that people learn, by watching other people fuck up.
02:38:09.000And when you take away the possibility of people fucking up, then you get into some weird state that you've got in these clinics, where it's like, you're not really fucking up, so you're not really hitting rock bottom, so the other people don't even see you as doing that bad.
02:38:31.000They have these rehab romances that happen all the time.
02:39:12.000Which is weird, because I got notes of summer camp, to where these people come back so much, their hand things they draw and their art that they did the last time in rehab are all over the wall and shit.
02:39:24.000And so they're coming back like it was...
02:39:26.000That's what he's talking about, right?
02:40:12.000It's definitely a behavior that locked it in, but once you get addicted and you're just trapped in the clutches of a drug, what is that if it's not a disease?
02:40:26.000The drugs themselves, it's a symptom of something else.
02:40:28.000I would tell you that 8 out of the 10 people that are sitting in my group therapy when I was doing it have been child abused, have been through some serious shit.
02:40:37.000And so most of it, it comes from that.
02:40:40.000Now, the drugs they put on top of it, if it's If you only counsel, hey, you're so focused on this drug, it becomes the drug is the problem.
02:40:48.000And you ignore the shit that the person's going through, been through, the fact that, I don't know, whatever's happened to them.
02:40:53.000And so we'd rather beat them up about their inability to make a choice not to do a drug than really work out of, what's the drug give you?
02:41:02.000What are you getting by using the drug?
02:41:04.000Can you teach how to use the drug better?
02:41:38.000No, but didn't you say when you were a kid, when I first met you, you said you had like a testosterone and over a mount, when you said you were like, when I first met you doing comedy, you were like, thyroid.
02:41:50.000When I first met me, no, I was still fighting.
02:41:53.000Yeah, I was, I mean, that was just out of my mind, out of fear, I'm sure.
02:41:55.000But you said when you were younger, as a kid, you always had, like, hyper-energy and shit.
02:42:00.000When you grow up with violence, I grew up with domestic violence, when you grow up with that, you're programmed to respond and react quickly.
02:42:11.000There's a lot of studies being done on kids who grew up in violent households, and when they become football players or pro football players, and they're involved in domestic violence or fighters as well, they develop this hair-trigger reaction to things, overreact, make mistakes that they can't rebound from,
02:42:29.000and a lot of it is because they think of the actual programming that occurs when they're in the womb, even.
02:42:34.000When their mother is experiencing violence from the father, Literally changes their genes in the womb.
02:43:39.000And what I like to talk to people about is, I mean, it's a war zone.
02:43:42.000When your home is really like that and you're a child, there's no difference than going to Afghanistan and a soldier going through what they go through.
02:44:35.000The violence does so much for the influence and what children do and become and how they react.
02:44:41.000I mean, if you go back to the primal era, you know, when we had to react, it was life or death, fight or flight.
02:44:46.000You implement that into a three-year-old who literally, or seven or five, who's literally worried about the big monster named Daddy who's going to cut on the hall light and come in the room.
02:46:50.000I was a huge football fan, watched it all the time, played it, and the more research that I've been learning from Amber Lyon or Rhonda Patrick that talk about the head injuries, etc.
02:47:00.000I'm like, fuck, the last ten years of my life, I'm fucked.
02:47:41.000That can't be true, Joe, because I've been in four total car accidents, and I played semi-pro football, and I have my moments, and that's about it.
02:47:49.000You obviously forget that John Travolta movie where you get hit by lightning and you can read people's minds.
02:47:53.000Because it doesn't work the same on everybody.
02:48:30.000He became that wild crazy preacher guy, like literally became that from a car accident.
02:48:34.000When you start talking TBIs and traumatic brain injuries and that who is walking into these facilities, it's amazing how fucking arrogant these psychiatrists act.
02:48:44.000Because we literally know almost nothing about real TBIs.
02:48:48.000You know, where the brain, you get hit here, it could do We don't know.
02:48:51.000So what happens is a guy who walks in who has a traumatic brain injury, a definite TBI, what they start doing is playing with psychotropic medication.
02:49:00.000And they start saying, well, if it's in this area and this is the behavior, so they throw you six, seven cocktails of pills hoping they guess the right way.
02:49:08.000And antidepressants are the same fucking way.
02:49:10.000And I tell people, man, the last thing you want to do is go right to a fucking antidepressant before you do anything.
02:50:17.000Most people, they'll walk into a facility, right?
02:50:21.00075% of them are getting diagnosed with depression, right?
02:50:23.000Here's your antidepressant out the door.
02:50:25.000The doc spent three minutes with you, your general practitioner, asked you some sadness questions, you fit the criteria, try this antidepressant.
02:50:30.000They don't tell you, you're about to fuck your whole chemical shit up.
02:50:33.000You're about to screw your brain up, but what happens though?
02:50:36.000If you're bipolar truly, and you take an antidepressant, The first two or three days, you're going to feel like God.
02:50:42.000You're going to feel like everything has been fixed and been better in my life and think you have the right pill.
02:50:47.000Every doctor at that point should know, oh shit, we fucked up.
02:50:51.000You give someone who's bipolar an antidepressant or SSRIs and they cycle faster, almost twice to three times as faster than they ever cycled before in their life.
02:51:00.000So think about how many people are going to a doctor, talk about some typical sadness or depression, hear Zoloft or some shit, you go home and they're like, man, this is great!
02:51:11.000Left side field, I'm getting a little tangential, but had a guy, both his sons killed themselves, and I was counseling him.
02:51:18.000Doc gave him, thought he was depressed, gave him any depressant, the second day after it, he said, I'm over it all.
02:51:48.000The people that I know that have worked for, that has worked for, out of them, I know a few, but two of them have cycled off of it.
02:51:54.000It helped them, they fixed their life, they got their life in order, and then once their life was ordered, then they weed themselves off of it.