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00:04:07.000If he left and started some global powerhouse of a company like Tesla Motors or something like that, and went on to make a billion dollars in the next two years, I would say, yeah, that guy probably did the right thing.
00:04:18.000That's why it's really important for a society to be structured in such a way that you allow people to do what they're meant to do.
00:04:25.000If you're in Russia, the guy with the biggest guns and the biggest muscles, that's the guy that runs everything.
00:04:30.000But how much innovation comes out of Russia?
00:04:31.000When was the last time you bought a Russian computer, a Russian car, or a Russian anything?
00:05:55.000But they were in Moscow, and they discovered these listening devices that the Russians had placed in their buildings.
00:06:01.000And they were so sophisticated that they were powered by the movement of the building.
00:06:07.000Because every building has subtle movement.
00:06:10.000Like, if you've ever been in a building that is in an earthquake, it's a very weird feeling, because you feel the building, like, rocking back and forth, and it's disconcerting, you know?
00:06:19.000It's like, whoa, this thing fucking moves, man.
00:06:22.000But there's a constant moving and swaying with the wind, and it's very minute.
00:06:28.000And sometimes you can feel it, like it's a heavy storm, but most of the time you can't.
00:06:47.000So if somebody was walking, it would turn on.
00:06:49.000Well, I don't know the specifics, but I know that it was a very sophisticated device that was powered by the movement of the building.
00:06:56.000I think a lot of those are voice-activated.
00:06:58.000I used to have a voice-activated tape recorder.
00:07:01.000At one point, I was trying to hook it up to the tank, my isolation tank, so that when I'm in the tank and I have a great idea, I could just say it and record it, but I never, I just didn't use it.
00:07:10.000Because the ideas were just coming at you.
00:07:13.000Like, when you're in the tank, the ideas are just coming at you like wet fish.
00:07:24.000But this guy, Swick, when Swick was telling me these guys, whoever had set this equipment up in there, they were using sophisticated equipment that the U.S. government didn't even know existed.
00:07:53.000You're always going to have problems whenever there's a country where people don't have the motivation to succeed and achieve because they don't get financially rewarded or they're constrained by that sort of...
00:08:06.000They have this sort of imperialistic...
00:09:08.000When you have a government like that, when you don't have property rights, when you don't have due process, when you don't have objective law, what happens is, who in the world is going to work really hard to create a company when the guy with the biggest guns can come along and take it?
00:09:22.000Again, I'd love to sit Putin down and ask him how he thinks that strategy makes any sense.
00:09:29.000He's not thinking that it makes sense.
00:10:05.000Russia's biggest problem is that their history has either given rise to czars, kings, or a different kind of czar, which is the communist dictator.
00:10:16.000A very industrious people and, you know, you wonder what they would be capable of doing if they lived in a society where the incentive structure rewarded you for your work and your ingenuity.
00:10:27.000Unfortunately, they have always lived under some kind of an autocracy, some kind of oligarchy.
00:11:10.000Like when oil goes from $40 a barrel, $100 a barrel, how does it do that?
00:11:14.000I don't know the intricacies of that, but I do know that one of the reasons it went from $100 to $40 a barrel was fracking in this country where we had our own access to massive oil shales.
00:11:44.000I mean, in fact, oil now in 2015, I think, is now – I mean, the price of gas is ridiculously cheap.
00:11:52.000Because nobody expected this kind of technology to create that much oil that quickly.
00:11:57.000You know, fracking, though, seems like, no matter what anybody says, I mean, there's going to be debate.
00:12:04.000Anytime there's anything controversial, anytime that there's any sort of environmental risk with something like that, it's hard to separate the facts from the noise.
00:12:15.000But it seems, without a doubt, that some areas are getting contaminated.
00:12:19.000It seems without a doubt that some rivers are getting polluted, some well systems are getting fucked up.
00:12:24.000That movie Gasland got criticized for some inaccuracies, but they couldn't criticize all of it.
00:12:31.000You know, there's some undeniable aspects to fracking.
00:12:34.000There's some undeniable aspects to any kind of energy technology, because the fact of the matter is civilization and feeding the civilization and energy source is going to be at this point polluting.
00:12:46.000And I think the way out of it is, you know, a lot of people favor legislation, and I think they might be a place for legislation, of course.
00:12:53.000But I think what's really going to get us out of that kind of an issue is technology, is just create more incentives.
00:13:01.000I don't care if it's through the government or, you know, government grants or private enterprise, create incentives for smart people to come up with clean technology.
00:13:11.000You know, that's kind of where you want to head.
00:13:14.000Yeah, it's not like there's going to be some sort of an instant solution for the pollution of the atmosphere or the ocean, but it seems like with people, people are really fucking smart.
00:13:22.000There's these giant leaps that they make every now and then, and a lot of them are due to pressure.
00:13:26.000There's some real pressure where people are worried about the environment.
00:13:43.000It's like some gigantic fucking skimmer that's going to go over the Pacific garbage patch, and it sucks the plastic out, and I think it puts it to use.
00:13:52.000See, the thing about plastic is, if you could actually get it out of the ocean, it's valuable.
00:14:36.000So this guy's figured out some way, and correct me if I'm wrong, Jamie, is this the same one where there's a 19-year-old kid who created this?
00:15:43.000Well, the problem with it is the dead zones, the ecological dead zones in the bottom of the ocean, the trawlers, where they drag for shellfish and stuff.
00:15:51.000They drag these giant sort of claws that collect everything the size of semis.
00:20:09.000Dude, there was a New York Times article that said that he killed so many people, something around 10% of the world's population died while he was alive directly because of his decisions.
00:22:24.000And these people are out there and they hunt for this thing called a muskox, which is this enormous beast of an animal, which I may go hunting in Greenland With Cam Haynes, we might do an archery muskox hunt, because apparently you can hunt them in the dry green.
00:22:39.000You don't have to be an asshole and be out there in the middle of the fucking snow.
00:22:42.000My dentist almost died hunting for muskox.
00:23:18.000Sam Sheridan was telling me that they went to rescue them.
00:23:20.000I think they were hunting muskox, but they went to rescue these guys who had been out on a hunt, and they were already, they were so cold, they were already dying of hypothermia, and when they got there, they were taking all their clothes off.
00:23:35.000Because what happens, you know, the blood rushes to your, yeah, you think you're burning.
00:25:12.000Really, everybody should have stayed in Africa.
00:25:14.000Yeah, although the Fertile Crescent was even where you want to be, like Iraq, where numbers started, because you had grasses that grew like barley and millet and wheat, and it was easy, just the way, and you could domesticate animals.
00:25:27.000You know, that's when they first started importing coffee.
00:25:30.000That's why they call them Arabica, Arabica beans.
00:25:59.000The myth I've heard, and tell me if this is right, the myth I heard was that Ethiopian goat farmers were watching their goats eat these berries, and they would get a pep in their step and have more energy when they were done eating the berries.
00:26:16.000Yeah, and based on their other types of cooking, the way you would, you know, cook something, they said, let's try to roast these beans and see what happens.
00:27:30.000I think there were several people that died in a nursing home because this old guy or old gal, I forget which one it was, went out in search of mushrooms and brought back some mushrooms and cooked it for everyone in the nursing home.
00:28:46.000The guys that are not used to really hot girls and you see it coming.
00:28:51.000The guys who didn't get those girls in high school and college and then what happens is they get famous and they're 38 and 40 and they're kind of dorky.
00:32:24.000It's a flagship vehicle, and it's so fucking unbelievably Ridiculously competent and fast that car right there goes zero to 60 in less than three seconds.
00:32:35.000It's not like well, it's it's Everything's functional that car as it's not about like I think it looks cool because it looks like a spaceship.
00:32:42.000Yeah But everything about it is about aerodynamics and about keeping the body pinned to the ground.
00:32:52.000So it's like 900 pounds more than my car is.
00:32:55.000And it's four-wheel drive, which race car drivers traditionally like a rear-wheel drive car because they like the feel that it's pushing.
00:33:04.000Instead of pulling, they like the control that you get because you can kind of steer with the throttle.
00:33:10.000If you know, as you're going into a turn...
00:33:13.000There's a thing called oversteer, right?
00:33:14.000So if you're going into a turn, and as you're going into a turn, you can hit the gas, and your SN will kick out, and it'll change the angle of your entry into the turn.
00:33:25.000You've got to know how to do it just right.
00:34:12.000Well, watching him do it, he's an artist at it, and he's going around corners in these cars.
00:34:16.000Every car he reviews, he takes and he power slides everywhere.
00:34:21.000It's just power sliding these fucking things.
00:34:26.000Google Chris Harris GT3 RS, 2016 GT3 RS. He's literally going sideways around corners with a 500 horsepower, $200,000 Porsche that they let him borrow.
00:34:50.000That's like a 2007. 2016 GT3. Go down there.
00:34:55.000It says GT3 RS accelerations and power slide.
00:35:00.000Yeah, you can see it probably over there.
00:35:02.000You won't see Chris Harris do it, but you'll see a car that does it.
00:35:06.000And the idea is that these guys go around these fucking corners, and they go around these corners using the ass end of the car, like using...
00:35:51.000See, right there, he's just leaving a little bit of rubber.
00:35:53.000He's just trying to go fast, as fast as he can.
00:35:56.000See how he's taking these lines, the outside to the inside?
00:35:59.000It's all about trying to go around corners in as straight a line as possible, so that you have as little pressure on the tires sideways as possible.
00:36:11.000It's all about choosing the correct line to go around the corners most efficiently.
00:36:17.000He couldn't be more macho, by the way.
00:41:40.000I mean, obviously it costs money for the batteries and the setup and the maintenance and all that jazz, but at the end of the day, Once the money is spent on setting it up and the operating costs are fairly minimal in comparison to what it would cost to get electricity off the grid, you can be totally off the grid if you choose to be.
00:41:57.000And you can also power your fucking car with all this shit.
00:42:01.000And if the grid goes down, you can keep your power.
00:42:05.000What's interesting is when you put solar panels in your house, which I did, just try getting, it'll take you, the electric company, it's been three months now and they still haven't converted us.
00:43:03.000Like, as far as conspiracy is concerned, I believe more in ignorance.
00:43:06.000So, you know, government, as my buddy who works, I just was at his wedding, and he said, he goes, if you think the government's really efficient, and he's talking about intelligence or any of that stuff, he goes, I've been in the inner circle.
00:43:36.000You know, this new Harvard study just came out, and it said that 170,000 veterans from our recent wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, starting in 2003, we have 170,000 people that are 70% or more disabled.
00:43:53.000That is probably going to cost over their lifetime in the American economy $6 trillion to care for those people, which according to the study, you could purse out to be $75,000 of an American family.
00:44:13.000These are people that answered the call and they're all fucked up.
00:44:17.000I was thinking about how if the more you read about this war and how we got into it, a lot of it was because we didn't know the history of that country.
00:44:26.000And a lot of it was because we didn't know the history of the entire region.
00:44:32.000And my point is that it's really easy for all of us as voters It's to go about life without doing the right investigation.
00:44:41.000So when you vote for somebody and you vote for a policy, most of us vote along party lines because our team is over here or because we're not a liberal or we're not a conservative, we're not a Republican, we're not a Democrat.
00:44:53.000Instead of looking at the world as, wait a minute, we're going to go into Iraq?
00:45:01.000How much do we know about the history?
00:45:02.000How much do we know about how that country is structured?
00:45:04.000And how much do we know about what's going to happen when we destabilize that regime?
00:45:08.000And when most of Congress didn't know the difference between Sunni and Shia, which is so important in Middle Eastern politics, that schism.
00:45:17.000And we're voting in these policies, and I think that we could have avoided some major tragedy.
00:45:46.000His children, there is a story about him and his children from, I forget what magazine it was, maybe like Esquire or something like that from back in the day, GQ, something.
00:45:56.000But it was a terrifying story of all the atrocities that his sons have committed, including taking women on their wedding day as they were being married, kidnapping them, raping them, and then feeding them to dogs.
00:46:10.000Uday Hussein used to do all kinds of sadistic things, but think about the untold misery that that entire region now over the past 15 years, or actually 13 years, has dealt with.
00:46:21.000Think about how many children and how many people, think about the Yazidi women sold off into slavery by these ISIL assholes and the spawning of ISIL. I think they need to fucking come up with a standardized name.
00:46:33.000I'm tired of hearing ISIL, ISIS, ISS. Yeah, Islamic State.
00:49:06.000He's a junkie when he was younger, like almost overdosed and died, smoked cigarettes until he had a kid, had the kid said, you know what, I gotta quit smoking cigarettes.
00:50:05.000And I'm having a little issue because I've never had salmon like this.
00:50:10.000And for me to say I've never had sandwich I've eaten one million times or I've never had steak that tastes like this, that's a big fucking deal, especially because I really pay attention.
00:50:18.000And I ran down there and I saw this cook with a ponytail, kind of a skinny dude, and I was like, what are you doing?
00:50:34.000And I said, and correct me if I'm wrong, sir, but you cut small pieces here, and you are taking into consideration the relationship between the meat and And your crazy delicious yam cake.
00:53:39.000But we did this place, this Moody Theater, and before the theater, we worked out at the Honor Gym and then went to the Zero Gravity Float Spa that they have there.
00:54:15.000He's originally from North Italy, so he's got that Austrian, like he's just got huge hands and a big kind of strong jaw.
00:54:21.000Still works out like Oh, yeah, he's but but when you say crazy like he's the guy I'll take you for 20 minutes and Work you out and target your muscles in a certain way and you're like this isn't doing I just feel like I could do more and then the next day your source shit like he just he's a scientist He knows he's got 160 clients and it's because he just knows what the hell he's doing and you're in and out in 20 25 minutes Well,
00:54:44.000if you could still look good in your 60s.
00:57:20.000I think there's a different need that the body has when it comes to...
00:57:24.000I've always been real skeptical of people telling me not to stretch.
00:57:27.000There's a way to stretch, I think, and I do agree.
00:57:30.000I think it depends on the kind of movement you're doing and stuff.
00:57:33.000But they say the first thing you want to do is warm the muscle up, but also overstretching.
00:57:38.000Like a lot of yoga people develop arthritic conditions because the tendons are genetically, you know, you either have longer tendons or shorter tendons.
00:57:47.000So in other words, like a hinge of a door.
00:57:48.000Some people can only open their door this much, other people can only open their door this much.
00:57:51.000You have very flexible, you're really flexible.
00:57:54.000And so when people overstretch those tendons, what happens is if the tendon is shorter and you're trying to make it longer, what will happen is the joint will start to compromise and you'll pull more of the joint apart.
00:58:07.000Therefore, you get water or air into that joint, which apparently is what creates an arthritic condition.
00:58:12.000So when you're constantly expanding and not doing some contractual work, that's where you run the joint.
00:58:17.000So it's like yoga people that are not lifting weights as well?
00:58:25.000When you're cold and you're stretching, and then you go and play soccer, a lot of girls, especially, were tearing their ACL. And then when they had them start changing the way they trained, more weightlifting, more warming the muscle up beforehand,
00:58:42.000that's how they were avoiding more of those ACL tears.
00:59:48.000And that ammonia is what they think that half the population of the world today has Fritz Haber nitrogen in their bloodstream.
00:59:57.000The reason we can feed 7 billion people and soon 10 billion is primarily because the process Fritz Haber invented, which is getting nitrogen out of the air and into the soil, which is how you create fertilizer.
01:00:08.000Problem is, it's also how you create explosives and poison gas.
01:00:14.000Well, he was the first one to figure that out, how to use poison gas on troops.
01:00:19.000So while he was being awarded a Nobel Prize of Science for creating the Haber Method, he was also being wanted for war crimes by the United States by gassing people.
01:00:31.000And the way they died, apparently, if you listen to the Radiolab podcast, they drowned in their own phlegm.
01:00:36.000Well, how about what they do, how they end it, which is he created an insecticide called Zyklon A, which is an insecticide, and the reason it has Zyklon A is because it has a certain smell to it.
01:00:49.000You put a scent in it so you know when it's in the air to avoid that area, the way they do with gasoline.
01:00:59.000That's an artificial scent, so you know if there's a gas leak.
01:01:02.000And the same as Zyklon A. And when the Nazis were figuring out what to do with their quote-unquote Jewish problem, and they talked about the final solution, they said, let's use this Zyklon A and take the scent out.
01:01:16.000It'll be Zyklon B. And the irony is Fritz Haber, who was a secular Jew, who was a patriot, a German patriot, who figured out a way to feed half the world, His technology ended up killing his extended family and his friends.
01:01:43.000It's one of the Radiolab ones that is amazing.
01:01:47.000There's a great one they got out now about elements, about this woman who was going crazy, and lithium was the only thing that, she's bipolar.
01:01:55.000Lithium brings her way back to normal.
01:02:13.000And so they're talking to her while this is going on.
01:02:15.000In the podcast, she's saying, like, this is so complicated for me because there's one thing that's killing me, but it's also allowing me to be me.
01:02:44.000It's going to be a real problem when people do do it, because there's going to be no regular people left.
01:02:51.000I think we're looking at life now as, if you go back to the early forms of life that were on this planet, just single-celled organisms turned into multi-celled organisms.
01:03:01.000They evolved from random mutations and natural selection, all the different various factors that cause a person to come out of the You know, primordial slime that we originated from.
01:03:13.000If you look at what we are now, we look at all that, this is like how it progresses, you know?
01:03:17.000This is how a dinosaur turns into a bird, and this is, oh, we can see these are the early primates.
01:04:07.000We're going to control our own evolution.
01:04:09.000Yes, and I think it's only one part of the bigger problem.
01:04:13.000I think our ability to control our own bodies is just a part of the evolution of technology.
01:04:20.000And the evolution of technology that allows us to do that is also going to create artificial life, which is many, many more times complicated.
01:04:27.000Well, it takes the element of chance out of the entire equation.
01:04:31.000So when we're able to control exactly how we look and what we develop into and what we are resistant to, it's kind of like what we're doing with crops.
01:04:41.000And I think, I also, I feel like we are going to be able to take this machine, which is what we are, which is kind of a fascinating and incredibly complex machine, but technology is going to render this machine...
01:04:59.000I feel like ultimately we're gonna trade in this machine for something that works a lot more efficiently and lives longer and all that stuff.
01:05:31.000I think if we create artificial life, we create some sort of an artificial thing that somehow or another profits on its staying alive.
01:05:38.000Like, there's a reason why we want to stay alive.
01:05:39.000We want to procreate, we want to keep the human race alive, and we want to react to all of our instincts, all of our natural instincts and the natural reward systems that have been put in place over the eons to make sure that we keep breeding and keep staying alive.
01:06:13.000I think that's a really shitty design and I think it ultimately its main goal is to for it for the biological entity to create a more sophisticated and Much more efficient entity and that's what it's going to do There's a this is the caterpillar and this caterpillar is going to become some indescribable butterfly some butterfly that can manipulate its environment like never before some butterfly that literally creates worlds and If you extrapolate that,
01:06:43.000and if you then say, look, all my biological needs are taken care of, so I don't have to worry about disease, I don't have to worry about food, and I'm optimal.
01:06:56.000My machine can adapt, and it probably won't die.
01:06:59.000You're still left with something that's very interesting to me, which is now Now if you've taken out the equation, that sort of rudimentary need to procreate, that rudimentary need to replicate yourself, that rudimentary need to sort of, or rudimentary might be the wrong word, but the need to be immortal,
01:07:16.000to keep your genes through whatever it is going.
01:07:58.000Procreation, acquiring of things, becoming more valuable as a member of your community and more desirable as a possible breeding candidate.
01:08:10.000All those things, they all contribute ultimately to procreation.
01:08:15.000That's a big part of what Everything that we do is.
01:08:19.000But then there's another side, which is play you could define as that what you do for the sake of doing, right?
01:08:24.000And that's probably when you're most yourself.
01:08:27.000So if play is the case, then it seems like we were just talking about this, like people say, I don't know what to do with my life.
01:08:32.000And I always say to younger people, I'm like, look, man, I don't know what to do with your life either, but I do know that it's really fun to get good at a language.
01:08:39.000Like watching you play pool, that's a language.
01:08:43.000Very close to being really, really good at.
01:08:46.000And you have a deep understanding of it.
01:08:48.000You gain a deep understanding, this great pleasure in being fluent in a language like, say, pool, or jujitsu, or boxing, or even another language, or in an instrument like guitar.
01:08:59.000I think you develop an understanding, and sometimes that you can't necessarily put into words.
01:09:05.000It's something you have to experience.
01:09:16.000I think, well, I don't have the answer, but I think it may lie in the area of understanding and coming closer to something maybe people call consciousness.
01:09:29.000Coming closer to something that's bigger than yourself.
01:09:34.000Communion with something that is without measure, but that you know is there.
01:09:41.000Don't you think, though, also, that if you don't look at it like in some sort of spiritual way, but look at in terms of just biology and natural reward systems that are put into place by success, success leading to procreation, people that are really good at things, you get good at things that are difficult to solve,
01:09:58.000like solving puzzles is integral to survival.
01:10:02.000It's integral to innovation, leads to more efficiency, more efficiency leads to more food, more food leads to people staying alive.
01:10:09.000The better you get at something, the more you're rewarded with those positive feelings, those natural reward systems that are put in place to make sure that people figure out their fucking part on this world, figure out their way through this life, until they can invent artificial life.
01:10:27.000Get them hooked on material possessions.
01:10:30.000Get them hooked on this idea of getting the newest, greatest, latest shit.
01:11:42.000is not something we'll ever see, but it's something we imagine and something we use in mathematics.
01:11:49.000Negative numbers, negative integers and things, are mathematical constructs that you can't actually see and don't have material measurement necessarily, but they are theoretical and we use them and benefit from it.
01:12:54.000Yes, and I think that nostalgia, that need to go physically further than we've ever gone before, and mentally further than we've ever gone before, there's no limit to human potential.
01:13:07.000There seems to be zero limit to human potential, to the point where we will render ourselves, our very biology, and even our mental paradigms obsolete, where we will achieve immortality.
01:13:20.000But wait a minute, will we be we then?
01:13:53.000And it's an inexorable part of being a human.
01:13:57.000There's this weird thing you can't take out of us where we look with awe at the guy who decides to live in a log house and go fishing every day.
01:14:51.000She's in her 50s, lives up in Alaska by herself in this fucking...
01:14:56.000You can't even have buildings up there because it's on this land that has to have temporary structures because of whatever goofy fucking law there's in place.
01:20:14.000But it's just a fun thing to do, like lining up the target, keeping everything straight.
01:20:20.000And there's something that when you're doing something that's really difficult, like it's hard to get the arrow to go where you want it to go.
01:20:56.000That hunt with bow hunting, with elk, because you want to make sure that you're going to hit that spot.
01:21:00.000Looking at an animal is different than looking at a target.
01:21:04.000A lot of what archery is, is repetition.
01:21:08.000Repetition and muscle memory, and it's got to be ingrained in your mind how you line a shot up and what are the movements when you release that arrow.
01:22:21.000I don't know, but I just know that for me to stay happy, and this is my own craziness, I need to constantly be engaged in things that challenge me.
01:26:07.000I've always been sensitive to people's feelings.
01:26:10.000I never wanted to gang up on somebody who was gay.
01:26:12.000But I just didn't think of it as something that was bad.
01:26:15.000Oh, speaking of which, I forgot to bring this up.
01:26:19.000Jamie, go to my Twitter page, and there's a tweet that I posted today about this woman from Kentucky that is, the Kentucky clerk denies marriage license under God's authority.
01:27:54.000Well, I think, though, that we also have to recognize, I don't agree with her, because I'm not a religious guy, but it is a matter of faith for her.
01:28:05.000And if she's going to be a government employee, though, she's got to uphold the law of the land.
01:28:08.000We live in a secular society, which is the separation of church and state.
01:28:56.000Whenever in doubt and you're looking for something ridiculous, Fox News.
01:29:00.000I mean, it's a difficult thing, though, because if somebody has a strong religious conviction, for example, and they're pro-choice because they think that...
01:29:06.000I mean, pro-life because they think that abortion is murder.
01:30:42.000You can say Allah and Yahweh, but Yahweh among the Orthodox is to trample on their sensibilities because when you give a name to God, okay, when you give a name, when you say God is, this is what's heretical about the idea of Jesus Christ to Jews and to Muslims,
01:31:00.000because if you create parameters around God, if you suggest God is a man or a woman, if you suggest God has a name, Then you are assuming to understand his greatness and his infinite presence.
01:31:15.000Are you hypnotizing me while you're rubbing your forearm here?
01:31:45.000I'm not a religious guy, but I respect whatever that conversion can be, because a lot of good things are done in the name of Jesus Christ, just as a lot of suppressive things can be done in the name of your God.
01:31:56.000So, I'm not so ready to condemn all religion.
01:33:40.000Speaking of Kentucky, there's a thing that I posted that was fucking fascinating about the dangers of misgendering someone that Gad Saad posted it and I retweeted it.
01:34:27.000In the name of equality, and in the name of tolerance, and in the name of protecting the disenfranchised and the marginalized, we have created a fucking tyranny.
01:34:36.000I can't stand the academic world for that reason.
01:35:42.000What they do is they exist in a very insulated world where they take classes from people who have also gone through the system, then they become teachers.
01:35:52.000And when they become teachers, then they have this oppressive power over the people in their class.
01:35:59.000And the people in their class have to listen to their ideology.
01:36:01.000But they're also living under oppressive power.
01:36:03.000They're living under a protocol, an academic protocol.
01:36:06.000If you ever try to get an academic to talk about anything that he's not 100% certain about, boy are they terrified.
01:36:11.000And the academic world is about the nastiest place.
01:36:18.000When you come up with an idea that's controversial, like Steven Pinker who said that human beings are not born a blank slate, or that aggression is rewarded in indigenous cultures.
01:40:53.000This is human curiosity at something that's abnormal.
01:40:57.000It's not a bad thing that it's abnormal.
01:40:59.000It's not a bad thing that there's a gender issue, that you wish you were a woman when you were born a man, or you wish you were a man when you were born a woman.
01:41:09.000And I think that what we're experiencing now with the transgender movement, and even to an extent the gay movement, is the pendulum swinging All the way in one direction.
01:41:20.000And it's a reaction to the fact that, and this is just a fact, when you were a man or a woman and you felt overwhelmingly like you were a different sex and you took measures to correct your current sex or you just dressed up in a way that made you feel more yourself,
01:41:37.000so if you're a man and you're dressed in drag or whatever as a woman.
01:41:40.000Or, for that matter, if you were gay and you started having feelings when you...
01:41:45.000The problem was that in most of our history, you got the fucking shit kicked out of you.
01:43:49.000Why did you choose to study African studies, not that there's anything wrong with it, and not say what you come from, like European history?
01:43:59.000Why would you care what she studies, bro?
01:45:35.000Did you believe in God before you got hit?
01:45:38.000No, but in other words, I thought I was the center of the universe, and I got kicked in the head, and I fell forward.
01:45:43.000I woke up, and I was like, I quit everything.
01:45:45.000I want my mom and a warm glass of milk, and I want a nap.
01:45:49.000And it was a seminal moment when I was 18 because I realized I was definitely not the center of the universe and I was definitely not the tree.
01:45:58.000I was just a tiny leaf on a very big tree that, you know, could be plucked very easily.
01:46:04.000It was kind of a profound moment because that kind of pain and that kind of vulnerability where I realized, oh man, it's easy to kill me.
01:46:59.000Well, in a lot of ways, to a guy like Donald Trump, when he's talking about all these people in Congress that didn't know the difference between the Shia and the Sunni, when he's talking about all these people that did make these decisions based on shitty evidence, when he's talking about all these fucking people that are secretly playing poker on their fucking cell phones and they're making gigantic decisions or jerking off under the table and they get caught,
01:48:05.000A big chief concern always in elections is the economy.
01:48:09.000And I'm always fascinated that we never hire economic studs.
01:48:13.000Guys who actually made a lot of money in the economy and competed, instead we hire government bureaucrats.
01:48:19.000And I don't know what the answer is, but it seems very counterintuitive for voters to vote for, say, a guy like Barack Obama, who actually...
01:48:29.000Didn't leave any—he never really worked in the—he was a community organizer.
01:48:33.000And then he was—he went to—he had kind of okay grades, I think, at Occidental, and then I think Columbia.
01:48:38.000And then he taught at Harvard, left no academic papers or legacy, and then was kind of greased into being a senator and didn't leave any legislative legacy.
01:48:48.000And you look at the guy, and he's a really good speaker, and he seems sensible and fair, but— It's interesting that we voted for him, and I voted for him, primarily on the idea that he was black and different and sent a good message to the world,
01:49:07.000But I know I wanted to show the world that we weren't a prejudiced nation after the war and that we were a progressive group of people and that Obama did seem really sensible and he seemed fair and he seemed thoughtful.
01:49:19.000So I'm criticizing myself for this, but I I think it makes sense to vote for somebody sometimes like, you know, Republicans make it fucking so hard to vote for them, but I just feel like if you really care about the economy, vote for a guy who had to really compete and win in the economy.
01:49:34.000They might have a better understanding and perspective.
01:49:36.000Right, but would they be the best qualified dealing with social issues?
01:50:18.000And also, if you look at the president, like, if he relies on Congress, and Congress relies, I mean, all those laws that are set up in place to make sure that he, you know, doesn't have, like, ultimate power, although he can...
01:50:39.000Ultimately, the responsibility of the president is when you have six different sources, the State Department and the intelligence and all these people coming to you with the options.
01:52:09.000Al Gore was a pretty well-respected, smart guy.
01:52:12.000He was respected in some circles, but Al Gore never had much of a backbone.
01:52:17.000Al Gore was always criticized for never really having a strong position on much.
01:52:22.000But if you look at a guy like Barack Obama, what he's like is like a really strong headliner that takes a shitty opening act with him on the road.
01:52:48.000Yeah, but he also, at the end of the day, I think, you know, he says he's a big free market guy, but I think Obama really does believe in top-down authority.
01:52:55.000I do think he really believes that, ultimately, a central group of smart people should be making most of the decisions.
01:54:52.000These guys, they set out, I mean, I've mentioned it several times in the podcast, so I apologize if you've heard this before, but if you haven't seen it, just check it out.
01:54:58.000This guy, they do like an analysis of their own bodies and find out what percentage they are of corn.
01:55:05.000Some ridiculous percentage of all the carbon in their body has come from corn.
01:55:09.000And then they go through the aisles of the supermarkets and they start looking at the corn syrup and corn starch and corn this and corn that and you realize how much fucking corn is in everything.
01:57:10.000The other day I took a photo because I had eggs, and two of them were from an egg from when they were grazing, and two were from a little bit later when we had them in the coop for a few days.
01:57:23.000And when they're in that coop, their fucking eggs come out yellow, like supermarket eggs.
01:57:28.000Not quite that yellow, but pretty close.
01:57:31.000Whereas otherwise, they're a dark, dark orange, and they literally taste different.
01:57:35.000I gotta think they're more nutritious.
01:59:27.000Because one of the funniest things that happened on the trip with Brian and I when we went to Montana with Steve Rinella and crew is that Brian created a character called the Ravine Comer.
01:59:37.000Where I was going to come in a ravine.
01:59:38.000It's only been a few times in my life where I almost blacked out from laughing.
02:02:38.000I mean, how much could it really possibly cost?
02:02:41.000If we just had, like, a sponsor, like rifles that we use or, you know, products that we use like Hoyt bows or something like that, just a sponsor that could help us defer some of the costs of production, It would be so much fun.
02:03:28.000Just the time that we were in the trailer, or the tent rather, and we had one indication of that is the podcast that we did from there, Steve's Podcast, which was one of the best ones that we did, you know, one of Steve's that we did, where it's not censored.
02:03:43.000Like, unlike the show, it's completely free.
02:03:47.000We were giving him so much shit about his shit collection.
02:03:51.000Remember, Steve Rinella has, he's so fucking into wildlife, this dude had a stool collection of all the various animals that he had hunted.
02:10:13.000I briefly talked to him and his company.
02:10:15.000We talked about me doing a show, and I was really considering it, but first of all, there's a lot of shit that I take from hunting for no reason.
02:10:59.000You're not getting this from the dog food tree.
02:11:01.000You're getting it from horse meat and things like that.
02:11:03.000Well, from that and from cows and byproducts and guts and feet and all kinds of shit that they grind up and lamb, which is basically baby sheep.
02:11:12.000The chickens, they fucking grind chickens up and compress them into cat food.
02:11:46.000I mean, you know, what I always say is even trophy hunting, which I don't do, even trophy hunting, is the revenue from those kinds of hunts...
02:12:11.000If you love something, whether it's elephants or rhinos, you love some exotic, crazy animal that we don't have in North America, and you want to pay a lot of money to shoot it, and you're not even going to eat it.
02:18:18.000I think the love that some people have for animals in this really...
02:18:22.000Distorted perception of what a predator like a wolf truly is has allowed people to import these things and put them into Idaho and all these different areas and I'm reading all these stories about what's going on now how they're decimating the elk populations and people really terrified of them and when I was in British Columbia and I was up there with my friend Mike who has a business up there a guide business and he has a farm and His fucking neighbors,
02:18:49.000they had a cow that was killed in the middle of the night by wolves.
02:19:20.000There's a reason that farmers traditionally went after wolves right away.
02:19:23.000Like whether it was in Italy, in Sweden, anywhere.
02:19:26.000There's no real society that didn't go after wolves because they were so devastating to your crops.
02:19:32.000We've gone so far away from recognizing that and remembering that, that people have brought these things back in some sort of a weird attempt to balance the ecosystem.
02:19:42.000And when they open hunting seasons, there's all these protests.
02:19:47.000And the protests are almost invariably from people that live in the cities.
02:19:51.000That's the issue with the difference of Vancouver and British Columbia being a province.
02:19:55.000The people in Vancouver, they're all liberal.
02:21:12.000And then the wolves can't take it all at once, so they'll definitely keep coming to it.
02:21:15.000So they get a little bit of the meat, and they'll come back for more, and they've got to chew through the ice, and there's meat inside the ice, and then they'll shoot them.
02:21:31.000The Inuit used to take, because wolves were such a nightmare for them, they'd steal their food, their seal, and they would put a razor blade, like a knife with a piece of meat on it, and the wolf would eat the meat and then lick the blade.
02:21:43.000The blade would cut themselves up and die.
02:23:10.000Have you ever seen the Toronto protests where these feminists There was some guy who was promoting something that had to do with men's rights.
02:23:17.000They completely distorted what he had to say, completely distorted what his message was, and promoted him as this evil person who supported rape and hated women.
02:23:26.000And so they shut down his performance by turning on a fucking fire extinguisher, a fire alarm.
02:23:32.000They set off a fire alarm and all cheered.
02:23:34.000They were protesting in the hallways while this guy's on stage speaking.
02:23:59.000Well, that's why it's important what you're saying because they'll do whatever they can, but what it's not based on is reality.
02:24:07.000So, like, if there really was a person that was at this campus that was promoting raping women and doing horrible things to them and this is what you should do and he's trying to rally them up, absolutely everyone agrees they should be treated the way these women were treating that guy.
02:24:23.000The question is, is what he's promoting that or are you turning it into that in order to make it justifiable for you to go fucking crazy?
02:25:29.000I don't think they're being honest with themselves or with what the real problem is.
02:25:34.000And that's another issue, is that if you're too ideological and religious, you're going to be placing your energy and your anger in the wrong direction.
02:25:43.000And there are real challenges and problems.
02:25:46.000And it takes sober thought, sober thought, sober analysis, and an open mind to finding out and developing a very informed point of view.
02:25:57.000So that then you can actually tackle what's really going on.
02:26:01.000And good luck finding someone else who's also taking the same amount of consideration into a subject and hasn't approached it with some intense bias.
02:27:06.000It never starts that way, unfortunately.
02:27:08.000A lot of times it just becomes this crazy sort of, this is my camp, this is my idea, and I'm more interested in being right based on my ideology that's immovable.
02:27:21.000And it's very difficult to kind of step back and be sober in these thoughts, in these situations.
02:27:27.000For example, like gun control is interesting, because when this guy came up and shot these two reporters, And this psychiatrist...
02:27:58.000There is an idea that maybe if somebody is exhibiting psychotic behavior and talking about wanting to hurt other people and himself, a lot of people who have mental illness are not willing to take their drugs because they don't think there's anything wrong with them.
02:29:12.000If somebody's saying, I want to kill people, and he's just saying it.
02:29:16.000Yeah, that's a mental illness, and I think it is a good idea to treat it as it is an illness.
02:29:19.000And the problem with the mental illness stigma, and Cara Santa Maria, who's been on this podcast a bunch of times, she's A neuroscientist, very smart, and she's had mental illness issues herself with depression, which is also a mental illness.
02:30:01.000You're happy, you know, fucking born in the 1600s.
02:30:04.000You know, there's all the nonsense that comes with people admitting that there's a chemical imbalance in their brain, which we can't really measure.
02:30:24.000Which is one of the weirdest things about taking antidepressants.
02:30:27.000But whatever the case, It's some form of medication for a disease.
02:30:34.000And when someone doesn't want to take that medication, this is one of the episodes, the episode I was talking about called Elements on Radiolab that was talking about lithium.
02:30:43.000This woman who can't take this medication anymore.
02:30:53.000And when she takes this stuff, she's totally normal.
02:30:56.000So, this idea that we have about medication when it comes to mental illness, I think it's the one illness that we have this, like, criticism of or this prejudice of that we can justify.
02:31:13.000And there is criteria and there are experts that can say, I think, in some instances, hey, this dude is exhibiting classic psychotic behavior and he's going to hurt somebody.
02:31:26.000And I think it would behoove the authorities to mandate some kind of a drug regimen or something.
02:31:33.000People don't know when to say that, though.
02:31:35.000You have a guy who hasn't done anything yet.
02:33:13.000After a while, from what I was told, the experiment yielded no addiction, and they all started drinking water and went back and they kind of said, I'm done with that drug thing.
02:33:26.000Well, also, okay, let's think about that for a second, because if we're living the way we're living today, it's because people before us have figured out how to build houses and electricity and cars, but how many generations?
02:33:37.000How many generations in relationship to the DNA that's in our body that supposedly takes like 10,000 plus years to change?
02:33:45.000I mean, how similar are we to people that lived 10,000 years ago?
02:33:54.000Maybe the reason why people are into drugs and constantly trying to alter the state of their consciousness today is directly connected to these rats being willing to do this experiment, or being willing to go back to the cocaine until they fucking died in this experiment,
02:34:11.000as opposed to the way they were in the wild.
02:34:12.000Like, maybe if we were living in the wild, maybe if we lived the way people lived thousands of years ago, it's hunter-gatherers.
02:34:19.000Maybe if we did that, we would have no desire to do coke I would agree with you if I didn't know that pygmies in certain parts of the Congo smoke copious amounts of weed.
02:34:28.000And if people in the Amazon who are hunter-gatherers take all kinds of hallucinogenics.
02:34:32.000Stop and think about the drugs that you just described.
02:34:34.000Copious amount of weed, which makes them more sensitive, more paranoid, maybe keeps them alive more, more community-oriented, more loving, and maybe even more creative.
02:34:46.000If you're talking about the people that live in the indigenous tribes in the Amazon, you're talking about serious psychedelic drugs that are ego dissolving that remove the world around you and bond you inexorably as this tribe.
02:35:57.000And you have to be careful with these statistics, but this is what I heard on TED.com.
02:36:01.000And when the government said, I'll tell you what, instead of spending all this money on enforcement and rehab and stuff, we'll take addicts, we'll decriminalize it, and what addicts need is connection.
02:36:12.000So what we'll do is we'll say, we'll get them in rehab and we'll take care of that, and then we'll get them a job and we'll say to their employer, look, train this guy, we'll pay half their wages.
02:36:23.000It'll cost you half as much to hire this addict who is going to take your program.
02:36:30.000And they've had huge success because what happens to the addict is that they develop connections and they develop purpose and they develop an entire infrastructure of support around them.
02:37:01.000I think one of the big problems with addiction specialists in this country is they're only allowed to use methods outside of drugs There's some people that get some spectacular results in other countries, especially in Mexico with ibogaine, people that are hooked on pills.
02:37:15.000Ibogaine is from the iboga plant, and it's a really intensely introspective drug that is not a fun time at all.
02:37:24.000There's very little recreational Ibogaine.
02:37:26.000It's just like really intense view of your life.
02:37:31.000Very, very deep and complex view of your life.
02:37:35.000And it also shuts off some physical reactions to addiction.
02:37:39.000Somehow or another rewires the mind in some strange way that's very, very effective.
02:37:44.000I've had friends that have had pill problems that have gone to these retreats in Mexico and had ibogaine treatment and just completely knocked it out.
02:37:55.000No, it's not placebo at all, I don't think.
02:37:57.000Because what we're talking about is an insanely intense, introspective experience that's not...
02:38:04.000Not dissimilar from the DMT trip that you went on in the fact that it dissolves reality.
02:38:10.000It dissolves reality in some sort of strange way.
02:38:13.000And then I haven't experienced the Ibogaine, those trips, but I have quite a few friends have done it and every one of them said it sucked.
02:40:07.000They say that what destroyed the Haight-Ashbury movement, that wonderful psychedelic movement, was when musicians went from weed and psychedelics to heroin and cocaine.
02:40:16.000And the heroin and cocaine was what actually destroyed a lot of great musicians.
02:40:22.000I think there's been a lot of artists that have used booze, including writers.
02:40:26.000Historically, there's been a lot of writers that were drunk.
02:40:28.000Stephen King, when he's in his prime, was a drunk.
02:40:29.000Yeah, Stephen King said in his book, which I read, he said, there are a lot of, yes, there are a lot of creative people that have substance abuse problems, he said, but they happen to be very creative people with substance abuse problems.
02:40:38.000He said they were creative, and then they had a problem, but it's not what made them creative.
02:40:43.000That's possible that he's right, but it's also possible that he's saying that because he's not an addict anymore, and he doesn't want to go back to it, and so he's made this sort of connection in his mind that it wasn't the alcohol that allowed him to be so free and creative.
02:40:55.000It was his own free creativity that he had in his mind, and he had a problem.
02:41:08.000People that are creative and have great imaginations and allow themselves to have a great imagination may also be, to some degree, may be a little self-destructive or at least searching for different states.
02:41:24.000Maybe, you know, the kind of person that's imagined enough to write a book like Cujo also likes putting himself in something other than his sober state.
02:41:45.000Well, I listen to, like, music and have a couple Budweiser's, and I'll write, and I'll write some stuff that I might not write.
02:41:54.000Dude, when we were doing The Ice House one time, I was, one of the first times, it was in a small room, and I smoked a bunch of weed, and I don't do it, and I got high doing your podcast, and I drank some scotch, because you forced me, peer pressure.
02:43:40.000Tony Sciuria, who Oliver Sacks studied, basically gets struck by lightning.
02:43:44.000All he can hear is piano music and becomes a composer and a high-level composer and a piano player because all he wanted to do after that was play the piano.
02:43:53.000So the idea is maybe sometimes certain things that happen to your brain can open...
02:43:59.000Pathways and channels and circuitry that was blocked or wasn't activated before.
02:44:05.000In this case it was a beating and lightning, but there are examples of something traumatic happening to someone's brain where it opens up an entire new passion and interest in that person.
02:44:16.000And that's documented by the late Oliver Sacks and a lot of other people.
02:44:21.000Well, I think that the mind is some sort of a device, and this device relies, like the rest of the body, on all the different elements that keep a human being alive.
02:44:33.000Human neurotransmitters are flowing around, there's neurons firing, there's all these cells that are alive.
02:44:38.000I mean, the mind is just like this fascinating place.
02:44:41.000Now, when you introduce things that are psychoactive to the mind, whether it's caffeine, whether it's nootropics, whether it's alcohol...
02:46:00.000Yeah, I mean, listen, man, we're learning more and more about science, brain science all the time.
02:46:04.000It just shows you not to be too orthodox in your thinking and certainly not too judgmental in your thinking.
02:46:09.000You know what else, too, that I think is very important and I've monitored in my own life?
02:46:15.000I don't have a problem with depression, but I do have days where I feel better and days where I don't feel as good.
02:46:22.000And a lot of that is dictated by how I choose to think.
02:46:26.000A lot of that is dictated by how I manage my life, whether I'm happy with things that I'm doing, and how I choose to pursue my thinking.
02:46:36.000You know, and I think there's a certain amount of what that is that makes you feel happy and makes you feel sad that is manageable.
02:46:44.000And I think, too, there's definitely a danger in putting it all on a disease and all on a pill.
02:46:51.000And for some people, it most certainly is a disease.
02:46:54.000But there are people that have some wiggle room in their life, and they can turn their life into a much more positive experience for themselves if they just choose to manage it correctly.
02:47:33.000How you manage what you choose to think about and the perspective that you take.
02:47:38.000My God, they've done, you know, anxiety.
02:47:41.000Behavioral psychologists used to always say, you've got to get rid of your anxiety.
02:47:44.000And now what they say is, if you think of anxiety in terms of just your body getting ready for action, As opposed to, oh no, this anxiety is going to kill me, your blood vessels look very differently.
02:47:57.000So how you view your own anxiety and the attitude you take, your blood vessels will either constrict, which is not good, but if you look at anxiety as, here I go, my body's getting ready for this, I'm getting ready.
02:48:08.000Your blood vessels and your heart looks exactly the way it does in moments of joy and courage.
02:48:14.000And that's from a fucking great TED Talk story.
02:48:18.000I wish I could tell some people could watch it, but really interesting.
02:48:21.000How you look, how you choose to think about your own anxiety has everything to do with whether it's healthy for you or bad for you.
02:48:31.000And if you choose to think about anxiety in the right way, there's a lot of evidence, measurable evidence, based on a study that followed, I think, 30,000 Americans over nine years, that suggests that it actually can be good for you.
02:48:46.000That makes sense if you think about it because you're shifting what it is and what it becomes is energy.