Chris Ryan confesses that he lied about working in the Twin Towers on 9/11, and Ari tries to figure out why he would do such a thing. Also, Ari talks about why he doesn t want to be an accountant anymore, and why he thinks he s better off as a writer. And Chris Ryan talks about his new book, which is out now, which you should probably listen to if you haven t already read it. Chris Ryan is a standup comic, comedian, writer, podcaster, and podcaster. He's been around for a long time, and he's a good friend of mine, so it's no surprise that he's come out of the closet and come out with a bunch of crazy stories about what he's been telling people for years. And Ari and Ari talk about how they feel about it, and how they think it's a really dumbass thing to do, and what it means to be a liar. And they also talk about why they don't want to have a job anymore, because they're tired of being an accountant, and they want to write a book about it. And they talk about what it's like being a writer, and writing a book, and not having a job, and it's not even worth it anymore. And it's pretty funny, so you should listen to it, you know what they're right there, and you should do it, right? And you should read the book, because it's good, right here, right in front and center, right next to you, right on the front, right at your computer, right across the screen. . . . right in your computer. Thanks for listening to this episode of the pod, Ari? You're awesome, Ari, you're awesome and you're good at it, buddy! Thank you so much, and we appreciate it, we really appreciate it. Thank you, and I'm glad you're here, we love you, we appreciate you, thank you, bye, bye. - Ari, and good night, bye! xoxo, Caitie - Caitie and Ari, Sarah, and Jon, and much more, Jon and Ari and Sarah, Love ya, Jon, - Caitie, Sarah and Ari and Jon & Ari, Cheers, XOXO, Kristy, Mike and Mike, Kevin and Sarah
00:00:11.000Chris Ryan and I have decided that for my friend Steve Renizzisi, who just admitted that he lied about working in the September 11th, the Twin Towers during September 11th, that we're just going to lie all day.
00:00:50.000What gets me when someone does something like this is I imagine what it would be like to be them, to have told some sort of a crazy lie and got stuck telling it, where you're repeating it over and over again, and then you just got, it just becomes like it's locked in.
00:03:24.000If, like, you're in the paper, suddenly managers are calling you and lawyers and you've got, you know, you've got the sort of parasite infrastructure that gloms onto you like, you know, those things on the bottom of boats, you know?
00:03:38.000And it's like, no offense to any accountants who are...
00:04:21.000She's a wonderful woman, don't get me wrong.
00:04:24.000And she's very good at certain things, but producing a podcast, editing a book, the kind of stuff I need someone to do, I have to answer her emails.
00:04:53.000I think the article was about a guy who was friends with a guy who turned out to be a murderer.
00:04:58.000And it's about a guy who got methed up and got involved in some rough sex with some prostitute and killed her and then sawed her up and left her fucking body in bags and shit.
00:05:12.000Whenever I hear about anybody who's just gone completely off the rails like that, I always say, okay, If I was that guy, if I was born in his shoes, if I lived his life, would I have been that fucking guy?
00:05:27.000Like, how much of what we are is determinism?
00:05:31.000You know, how much of what we are is based on the events that took place that are completely outside of our control?
00:05:36.000About how much of it is how we were raised?
00:05:40.000People tell, like, terrible stories about how their parents raised them.
00:05:44.000Terrible stories about the environment they're forced into.
00:05:47.000And you always wonder, like, how much of who each one of us is is based on a bunch of shit that's completely outside of your control.
00:05:56.000And how much of these events that take place, whether it's the Jared from Subway thing or...
00:06:02.000I had my friend Barry Crimmins on, who's this great comedian and a real icon in Boston, and Bobcat Goldthwait did a film on him about his horrific childhood sexual abuse.
00:06:14.000He was raped when he was four years old by his babysitter's boyfriend, and it was this horrific, horrific story.
00:06:22.000And, you know, this is something completely outside of this guy's control, and how much of who he is now is based on that.
00:06:29.000Well, he's, like, in his 50s, and this is, like, still something he's dealing with from when he was four, you know?
00:06:36.000It's just, what you are now is, like, this series of events that have kind of...
00:06:46.000A lot of them just laid out in front of you without you having any control over it at all.
00:07:22.000To be that guy who's done that, who's just like said this thing for no fucking reason, it doesn't make any sense, and then has to stick with it.
00:07:30.000Just, I don't, I mean, that's my angle on these things.
00:07:33.000Instead of getting upset about, I mean, especially this one.
00:07:36.000But how does that relate to what you're saying?
00:07:38.000Do you feel like if you may, if you were in the position he was in, you might have done something similar?
00:07:45.000I always, whenever I see someone do anything crazy, like murder or craziness or anything, I always say, well, How much of who you are is because of your life experiences?
00:07:53.000A lot of them outside of your control.
00:07:55.000Your genetics, your parents, the environment that you were raised up, and the people that you came in contact with when you were younger.
00:08:02.000How much of that is who you are today in 2015?
00:08:06.000I think it's, goddammit, I think it's a lot.
00:08:09.000And so I see this guy, you know, my friend, and again, Steve Renazizi, what he did was just dumb.
00:09:30.000Which ultimately never got made, like most TV shows.
00:09:33.000But when we were putting together the whole summaries of the episodes and all this stuff, he said, so what's your on-air, who are you going to be on the show?
00:10:05.000He's like, no, on TV you can't be really authentic.
00:10:08.000The most you can be is, quote, authentic.
00:10:11.000Because you have to be the same every fucking episode.
00:10:15.000And if you come in one day and you're feeling pissed off because you just had a fight with your wife or you got diarrhea or whatever your issue is, you can't express that.
00:10:25.000You have to be the same guy you were last week.
00:11:25.000And so I tried to address it a little bit.
00:11:27.000And what I said was, in my very minuscule experience, fame is like wine that tastes really good and can only get you drunk while it's in your mouth.
00:12:56.000But if you say, I have this amazing ability to make doves appear out of nowhere and you really believe it, well, you're a moron.
00:13:03.000You know, it's like you have a magic trick in being on television or being, you know, on the radio or in movies or whatever it is.
00:13:10.000Whatever it is that people get attracted to you by your work, by you being an author, whatever it is.
00:13:17.000That thing makes you different than another person instead of just like I appreciate Talent like very much so and I can kind of be like I'm a little starstruck when I meet someone that I really appreciate or that I really am admiring of their work,
00:13:36.000It's like I've seen it enough times that I'll go, hey, there's that guy that fucking sings that awesome song, hey, I love your shit, man.
00:13:44.000It's a good thing, but I don't think of him as other than a human being.
00:13:48.000But I remember one of the first times I ever met a famous person, or the first times I ever met famous people, I couldn't believe I was seeing them in real life.
00:13:55.000One of the first guys I'd ever met, I was in Harvard Square in Cambridge.
00:13:58.000I don't even remember the dude's name, but he had been in a bunch of television dramas.
00:14:33.000And when I was little, my uncle used to work for Howard Marks Advertising.
00:14:38.000My uncle Vinny is an artist, and he worked for the company that drew the album covers for KISS. So when I was like, boy, I guess I was like eight or nine years old maybe, I don't know how, somewhere in that age, I met Ace Frehley,
00:14:54.000who was the lead guitarist to Kiss, and he always wore makeup, and I met him with no makeup on.
00:15:01.000And he would come by, and it was a great hustle they had.
00:15:06.000They wore makeup when they were on stage, but then offstage, no one knew who the fuck they were.
00:16:25.000I mean, I think that's what it's called, but I think it was just a hook.
00:16:30.000I think their hook was that they were going to wear face paint, you know, and have these designs in their face.
00:16:35.000Like, Paul Stanley was the star child, so he had a star over his face.
00:16:38.000And Gene Simmons was the demon who used to spit blood and blow fire on stage.
00:16:43.000And they had, you know, Peter Criss was the cat, and Ace Frehley was...
00:16:47.000You know, he was like the Spaceman, and they had this persona that they had adopted, like these characters, and no one knew what they were, and all their names were fake too, I'm pretty sure.
00:16:59.000So, like, who they were when they were on stage, and it was sort of taken even further into Fantasyland by this makeup and these crazy costumes that they wore, like they wore boots, like Gene Simmons' boots had teeth on the bottom of them, like these...
00:17:16.000So bringing it back to your buddy, imagine, you know, your kiss and you're trying to pick up a woman in a bar and you're like, you know, I'm Gene Simmons.
00:17:52.000I heard an interview the other day with, I forget his name, but he's one of the main guys of Iron Maiden, which is a band I don't know, but I know they're huge.
00:20:23.000It's a long time since I may be full of shit here, but I'm sure people are Googling it even as we speak.
00:20:28.000But there was, I think it was the first motion picture was that they were trying to determine whether all of a horse's feet came off the ground at once.
00:20:38.000So he set up, I don't know if it was like a bunch of cameras in a bank that sequentially shot.
00:22:39.000And I wonder if, you know, the extent to which our, you know, this is this whole book that I'm writing, it seems that if you say the underlying structure of civilization is essentially pathological, then it makes sense that the leaders, the people who rise to prominent positions within that society,
00:23:49.000So, anyway, I mean, Freud talked about this in Civilization and its Discontents, that, you know, civilization is built on deflected sexual energy, and if we were all just getting laid as much as we wanted, nobody would do anything.
00:24:00.000That's a good point, and also, if you really concentrate on what is healthy, in quotes, what's healthy is friendship and fun.
00:24:09.000None of those really stack up points, you know, as far as, like, monetary, you know...
00:24:16.000What you can put in your bank account, what you can show as far as your real estate holdings.
00:24:34.000And if you get to the point where you see through money or fame or power these metrics that are socially accepted, Then you become, you know, what?
00:24:46.000The Jesus figure, the Buddha, the, you know, you sort of check out, tune in, turn on, drop out, right?
00:25:30.000Attention span of the people that listen.
00:25:32.000I think that the reason why people are hooked on materialism, the reason why it's so attractive, is because ultimately what it's doing is propelling technology and innovation.
00:25:42.000And that the more we become obsessed with acquiring the newest, latest, greatest things, the more it will push innovation, these newest, latest, greatest things.
00:25:51.000And the reason for that is we're ultimately creating an artificial life.
00:25:55.000And I think that we are the technological caterpillar that becomes some artificial intelligent butterfly.
00:26:01.000And that what we're doing is creating a new life form.
00:26:04.000We're so arrogant that we think that we're the only life, and this is the only life that's possible.
00:26:12.000But meanwhile, what we're doing is we have been born into these inefficient, these biological entities.
00:26:22.000These shells that house our imagination and that we eventually will escape them or create something that makes us obsolete.
00:27:18.000Where you shift from a group of birds to a flock of birds, or a bunch of fish to a school of fish, where everything starts functioning very differently.
00:27:27.000For example, did you know that Locusts and grasshoppers are the same animal?
00:27:36.000Yeah, it's just a matter of the swarm of them.
00:27:39.000Well, yeah, when it rains, and so then there's a lot of food, they reproduce really quickly.
00:27:46.000So now you've got the population density, and then the food starts to dissipate because the water is going, and now they get Very tight population density, and they become locusts, which their brains change, their legs change, the coloring changes, their behavior changes,
00:28:28.000And it's when they're packed tightly that they shift into locusts.
00:28:33.000And that's when they swarm and they go out, you know, and wipe out anything they can find.
00:28:36.000But then they can shift back to grasshoppers again.
00:28:40.000So I'm sort of arguing in this book that civilization is when our species shifted to locus, a phase shift into a locus form, and we swarmed, and we've been swarming ever since, but we're about to run out of material.
00:28:56.000And, you know, like the fish stocks are down, the water's gone, like everything's, we're in the age of no more, you know?
00:29:04.000You know, I was watching this documentary the other day about the 1970s, when they were talking about the 1970s, there was 100 million less people in America.
00:30:06.000I mean, short term, it's a problem, because you don't have enough young people to work and pay for the old people, whatever.
00:30:12.000But long term, imagine how great the fucking Earth would be if there were one billion people on Earth.
00:30:18.000You know, that was something that came to McKenna in a mushroom trip.
00:30:23.000He asked the mushroom how to save the human race, and they said every couple reproduce only with one child, and the human race will be saved.
00:31:23.000But, you know, I've been reading Kevin Kelly, reading other stuff, and I've come around—you and Duncan and I have always had this sort of three-way debate about the future of humanity and all that.
00:31:33.000And I see three scenarios, one of which is the one you just outlined, where we are a transitional life form that gives birth to techno-intelligence and spreads out into the universe and whatever.
00:31:50.000And another is sort of apocalyptic collapse and Mad Men, not Mad Men, Mad Max.
00:31:59.000They'll become advertising executives in the 60s.
00:32:27.000And he makes a really strong case, which I've heard you make.
00:32:31.000You've made it to me, actually, that the internet is, first of all, it's very, very early days for the internet.
00:32:38.000And it opens up There's revolutionary possibilities, like, beyond anything that's happened to our species in the past.
00:32:47.000The fact that you and I right now are talking to hundreds of thousands of people with no sponsor telling us, don't say that, don't say this, that we can talk shit about Monsanto, we can talk shit about the U.S. government, we can do whatever we want.
00:33:48.000And, you know, just with this technology, you're able to do stuff.
00:33:52.000I was reading about this tribe in the Amazon the other day who are...
00:33:57.000Basically have taken over defense of their land because the government's useless and so they've got legally they're completely justified but the loggers keep coming in and you know invading.
00:34:07.000So they've set up like GPS units all around and motion controlled cameras and they're using technology to try to defend their land and document incursions and stuff.
00:34:20.000And I was thinking like wouldn't it be cool to set up crowd-funded Where you could send 20 bucks to this tribe in the Amazon to help them buy a fucking motion-detected camera or a drone.
00:34:51.000Okay, you go through, you look at all their pictures and like, okay, I need 150 bucks to buy a goat because I make goat yogurt and sell it in the village.
00:35:03.000Their repayment rate is over 99% because they've got people in country who verify that everything's cool and this is a real thing and whatever.
00:35:13.000So, then the money gets paid back to your account after they get their goat and they sell enough yogurt.
00:35:18.000And then you can either take your money out or you can recycle it.
00:35:23.000Like, go to Uganda and let's find somebody in Uganda.
00:35:25.000We can help them put a new roof on the shop, right?
00:38:12.000Like, there's no, you know, I mean, geese are a different thing, but most flocks of birds, you know, the starlings you see doing that thing at night, there's no leader.
00:38:30.000And in fact, in one of these books by Kevin Kelly, he talks about how they were doing the artificial, the guys who did the Batman, one of the Batman movies, and they were doing the special effects.
00:38:46.000There were flocks of bats that they needed to replicate on screen and they just set up a logarithm where each bat would react to the other bats near it according to certain variables,
00:39:03.000calculations, and then they just set it loose and it formed a flock.
00:39:10.000So it's like it doesn't even have to be alive.
00:39:12.000It just has to have certain consistent responses.
00:39:35.000Well, see, what I did in the book, and, you know, I hope this is making people want to read it when it comes out, not like, yeah, I already heard all this shit.
00:39:42.000But, you know, what I did was I started by saying...
00:39:46.000Your individuality is itself an illusion.
00:39:49.000Because 90% of your weight, once you get the water out, is made of...
00:40:41.000It's not considered because we always like to think of ourselves as individuals, but the evidence is there that we get insanely lonely when we're by ourselves.
00:40:54.000And if you think about human beings being isolated and being lonely and then the incredible joy that they have when they find civilization or people, like someone alone on a raft, they're not thinking about, well, I'm alive at least.
00:41:29.000We're some strange sort of super organism.
00:41:33.000I made a video when I had my 2005 Showtime special, and I did this video about flying over the earth.
00:41:44.000And then if you fly into Los Angeles, And if you look at the Earth as a host for life, and, you know, our bodies, you could certainly say that our bodies are a host for life.
00:41:55.000Because of all the organisms that we just talked about, the fact there's more E. coli in your body than there are people that have ever lived ever.
00:42:05.000And all that stuff is important for life.
00:42:07.000But when you fly into Los Angeles and you're flying over that just gigantic mass of cities, like, if the Earth is an organism, well, what are people?
00:43:39.000So maybe, maybe what's happening is as these synapses are connected for the first time ever and there's this super mind for a super organism, it becomes aware of what it's doing and suddenly it's like...
00:45:21.000It's incredible, because if you see what they were able to accomplish, so much of what Yeah.
00:45:44.000All they have, literally, they have the Rosetta Stone, and they have the hieroglyphs, and they have the architecture, and then they have to try to back-engineer and decipher.
00:45:54.000To this day, there's a dozen different theories about how they built the pyramids.
00:46:05.000I think it's much more likely the advanced civilization rise and decline is much more likely.
00:46:11.000And as we're learning more about geologic catastrophes, as we're learning more about asteroidal impacts and things along those lines, it's way more likely that what you're looking at when you're looking at a lot of the ancient structures that exist that we can't totally explain was that something happened.
00:46:31.000Civilization had reached a very high level and then probably were hit by giant rocks from space, and very few people survived.
00:46:38.000But the people that did survive sort of re-figured out all the things over a course of a few thousand years, just like we have.
00:46:45.000I mean, you go back a thousand years ago.
00:46:48.000Okay, let's just go a thousand years ago.
00:46:54.000I mean, you're talking about like Genghis Khan, they're riding horses, no one's got a car, they're shooting arrows at each other, no one's got guns.
00:47:02.000I mean, you're talking about craziness.
00:47:04.000You're talking about a crazy part of the world.
00:47:24.000So imagine what we're talking about when, like, I've had Randall Carlson on my podcast, who is a fascinating guy who is absolutely obsessed with asteroidal impacts, and he studied them his entire life.
00:47:36.000And as time has gone on, more and more of his work has been vindicated.
00:47:42.000He believes that there's enough proof that the Ice Age ended because of astral impacts.
00:47:49.000And he had thought this way before they had figured out this stuff called, I think it's called Tritonite.
00:47:54.000They found evidence of what they call nuclear glass all throughout Europe and Asia, and it all is around 12,000 years ago.
00:48:03.000It's all around the same time the Ice Age ended.
00:48:06.000And he thinks it was the catalyst for the end of the Ice Age and probably wiped out a gigantic chunk of humanity.
00:48:13.000That there was just massive asteroid impacts all over the planet.
00:48:17.000And that it just fucking killed almost everybody, or a huge percentage.
00:48:21.000And everybody who's left Sort of how to re-figure out how to make buildings, re-figure out how to engineer society, and then they were left with the skeletons, the architectural skeletons of the past.
00:48:32.000You know, they would look at Stonehenge or look at, you know, Gobekli Tepe or any of these giant ancient structures and go, okay, what the fuck was, what's this all about?
00:48:42.000And they would try to mimic it or create their own.
00:48:45.000And that what you're looking at when you look at many of these ancient structures is just whatever would be left When a giant chunk of civilization is wiped out, people have to start all over again.
00:50:20.000They don't have a hunting season on mountain lions in Colorado, or in California rather.
00:50:25.000In Colorado they do, and so the wildlife organization, they measure the population, they calculate it, and they decide how many would be viable to take to keep the community of them healthy, but to protect the elk population and the deer population.
00:50:42.000And so then they adjust accordingly and they release tags, and tags are what the hunters use to go out and legally kill these animals.
00:50:49.000Well, California doesn't have that, so in California they have, I think he said, three different guys that kill an indeterminate amount of mountain lions, any troubled mountain lions they have all throughout California.
00:51:01.000They just travel around and kill these fucking things.
00:51:04.000Because if you don't, then they overpopulate and then they become a problem with dogs and people and joggers and shit like that.
00:51:13.000But there's groups in California in particular, like extreme wildlife advocates, that want that.
00:51:22.000What they want to do is reintroduce wolves and grizzly bears to California.
00:51:26.000So that those animals control all the game populations to a sufficient level.
00:51:31.000Which is really, like, it's not very well thought out.
00:51:34.000Because then no one controls their population except assassins.
00:51:38.000They have to hire assassins to go out and kill the grizzly bears that start encroaching into civilization and the wolves that start moving in on people's livestock.
00:51:46.000They have to hire people to kill them.
00:51:48.000But it's this fascinating idea of animal management that these people are juggling back and forth with, between the people that are pro-hunting and then the people that are the conservationists or the wildlife advocates.
00:52:11.000Unintended consequences of trying to control wild animals.
00:52:15.000And it started when the British were in India.
00:52:18.000In New Delhi, the local authorities decided to deal with the fact that there are all these cobras living in the sewers and causing a big problem.
00:52:27.000So they instituted a price for each dead cobra that you would bring in.
00:53:14.000Like, they introduced rabbits to Australia, but they didn't have natural predators, so they brought over foxes.
00:53:18.000And then the foxes ate a shitload of rabbits and then got out of control and started eating ground-nesting birds and decimating the population of ground-nesting birds.
00:53:31.000But they never did get a hold of the rabbit population.
00:53:34.000They put up fences to try to stop the rabbits from moving into new areas.
00:53:38.000But they weren't quick enough, and the rabbits got through the fences.
00:53:41.000As they were building the fences, the rabbits fucked their way through to the other side of the fences and just fucked and made more and more rabbits.
00:53:48.000So then they wanted to introduce the foxes over there.
00:53:50.000Then they wanted to bring in predators to kill off the foxes.
00:53:54.000Like, it's a clusterfuck of human beings trying to somehow or another manage nature.
00:54:01.000Yeah, through predators, especially things like a rabbit that can just breed like crazy in an environment where they really didn't have a natural enemy.
00:54:10.000There's a great documentary called Cane Toads about the same thing in Australia where they...
00:54:16.000There is some grub that was eating, destroying sugar cane.
00:54:19.000And in Hawaii, they're able to grow sugar and the grub is under control because they have these big toads that eat the grub.
00:54:28.000So they brought the cane toads to Australia and introduced them.
00:54:47.000And the movie is really funny, because it's like these people and their encounters with these cane toads, and they're Australian, so they're just naturally funny.
00:55:27.000It opens, there's this scene, it's like early morning, and the fog is sort of, it's a foggy hillside, and there's a road, and you see this van coming down the road, and it's sort of swerving, swerving around, and gradually you realize that he's running over as many cantos as he can,
00:56:25.000I saw this movie like 20 years ago at the Margaret Mead Film Festival in New York, and I've lost track of the cane-toed issue since then, I'm sure.
00:56:34.000Do you know what happens with rabbits?
00:56:36.000Every seven years, rabbits have a die-off.
00:56:39.000Rabbits, apparently, all farmers and ranchers would tell you, they go in these great cycles, these seven-year cycles.
00:56:47.000And right now, the population in a lot of areas is very high.
00:56:50.000Where I was in Colorado, this is where the guy was explaining to me.
00:56:53.000You were just there like two days ago or something.
00:56:55.000And the guy who I was with, he explained it to me, but I had heard it from a few people before, that their populations get extremely high, and then a disease comes along and wipes them out.
00:57:12.000And then seven years later, it'll be a swarm again.
00:57:15.000It just takes a few years for them to rebuild back up, and then they're back, and then the same thing happens again.
00:57:21.000A new disease kicks along, maybe the same disease, I don't know.
00:57:24.000But this cycle of die-offs, of great population growth and die-offs.
00:57:30.000And this guy was arguing that I was hanging out with in Colorado.
00:57:33.000He was saying, you know, it's quite likely that what we're looking at is a natural cycle and that it could be applied to the human race as well.
00:57:41.000Yeah, there's a beautiful book, which I've recommended many times, called A Short History of Progress by Ronald Wright, a Canadian scientist.
00:57:49.000And he looks at every civilization that's existed.
00:57:54.000You know, the Mayans, the Sumerians, the Romans, the Easter Island, all these different civilizations.
00:58:01.000And he shows that they all follow the same life cycle.
00:58:06.000It's exactly what you're saying, that there's an organic rise, and then there are certain conditions that happen just naturally.
00:58:14.000One follows the next, and then the decline.
00:58:17.000And, you know, you see it happen again and again and again.
00:58:24.000It seems to be like a cycle that exists just in almost everything in nature, that there's some sort of a balancing factor that occurs with any system where you get an accumulation of one particular species or one particular thing,
00:58:39.000and then it dies off, and then it comes back.
00:58:42.000I mean, it could be argued that that's what the asteroidal impact is, that it's some sort of an inoculation from space.
00:58:54.000That's the theory that even the building blocks of life, like simple life, like the amino acids, that all those things came by stars.
00:59:01.000And then when you find out that a human being really essentially is made out of stardust, in order to have carbon-based life forms, you have to have a star explode.
00:59:10.000Are you going to start singing hippie songs here?
01:00:43.000Oh, man, I've gotten so many beautiful emails from women.
01:00:46.000You know, I've gotten some angry ones, too, but some really beautiful ones from women who say, you know, like, and even some of the most moving ones are the ones where they say, like, I get my mom now.
01:01:41.000If men had like little short skirts that they wore to work, where your cock was just, you could just lift up the shirt, the skirt, and your cock would be right there.
01:01:51.000But women are so desirable, and sex is so desirable, that we have accepted this idea that a woman's attire could be like the easiest possible thing to fuck in.
01:02:06.000Like, literally, panties that you just pull to the side and a skirt you just lift up.
01:02:59.000And he wrote back and said, well, you know, we don't have a job right now, but I'll tell you, your photo is stunning and I'm sure you'll have lots of success.
01:03:06.000So then she calls him out for sexual exploitation because he said her photo was stunning.
01:04:36.000I mean, it called the mandala, the idea of building something beautiful that's going to be washed away as soon as you get done with it.
01:04:45.000I often think about life that way, not physically so much, but...
01:04:50.000Like, I feel I'm in my mid-50s now, and I feel like I'm starting to figure it out.
01:04:55.000Yeah, that is part of the problem, right?
01:04:57.000By the time you realize the hustle, the fucking game is almost done.
01:05:01.000It's like I'm learning how to dance, and they're turning the lights on.
01:05:05.000That's sort of probably also what contributed to all these fucked-up civilizations, was that people only lived to be like 30, you know, if you were really lucky.
01:05:13.000So you were just constantly on momentum, like running downhill where you couldn't stop, like, ah!
01:05:19.000And then the barbarian hordes cut your head off and then hopefully along the way you fucked and left behind some of your genes and then they fucked and people just died off in these giant chunks when rats came into your cities that carried fleas that had the plague and just...
01:05:36.000And then finally we developed the ability to fight off diseases, inoculate ourselves from certain viruses, build up walls to keep out the barbarians, build up stockpiles of food so that we didn't have to constantly hunt and gather.
01:05:58.000And then they started pushing things along.
01:06:00.000I mean, you could argue that agriculture and that civilization was the downfall, but you could also argue it was the beginning of real thought.
01:06:11.000It was the beginning of relaxed thought because you had the opportunity to innovate.
01:06:15.000Well, and you had the surplus of food that you could have people who thought for a living.
01:07:08.000There's certain companies that require people that are employees to have their phone where the notifications are turned on so that an email's come in for the company.
01:07:32.000If your boss sends you an email at 7 o'clock at night and you don't respond until 6 o'clock in the morning when you wake up or whatever it is, you could get in trouble.
01:08:30.000Well, we were always planning to go back.
01:08:32.000I mean, we sort of flirted with maybe staying for a while.
01:08:37.000But my wife's a doctor, and for her to get a license in the U.S. would mean like going back to medical school, essentially, which she's not going to do, right?
01:09:06.000And what is it about Barcelona that's more appealing than America?
01:09:09.000You know, when I first got to Spain, I felt I traveled a lot and I was actually on my way somewhere else, but I got robbed and, you know, I ended up hanging out.
01:09:20.000And the way Spanish people see life is much closer to the way I see life.
01:09:28.000And so even though I was raised in America, I never felt like this country never really made sense to me.
01:12:29.000It's humiliating, too, because they have to smile and give you all this fake cheerfulness.
01:12:34.000There was an article that was written recently about that, about the emotional toll of requiring people to be artificially happy and that it's not productive.
01:12:46.000And that, like, the artificially happy people that answer phones and ask questions and, and how are you today, sir?
01:12:53.000Like, requiring people to do that, that work for you, not only is it not productive, it wears them out and it makes them less productive at other things that you probably need them to because there's like a, there's a mental, there's an energy that you need to do that,
01:13:08.000that you could be doing and directing towards something that's actually productive.
01:13:12.000Instead of like, it's one thing, you don't want to be rude, but just being efficient is enough.
01:13:18.000You don't have to have this like fake sort of smiley bullshit.
01:13:22.000But that fake smiley bullshit, people require it, like especially people who are customers.
01:13:28.000The customer's always right, like that kind of nonsense.
01:13:31.000Like this relationship where the customer has to be like massaged and catered to.
01:13:36.000Instead of just appreciated as a fellow human being.
01:14:44.000But, I mean, for example, I went to Spain a few months ago to renew my residency paperwork and all that.
01:14:49.000And it was a typically Spanish experience where, you know, this kind of thing in America, you would, you know, go online and fill out this thing and, you know, call the IRS and be on hold.
01:15:02.000And then you'd get some grumpy asshole in Philadelphia.
01:15:05.000But it would all get done pretty quickly.
01:15:07.000In Spain, you go to this office, and they're like, hey, how are you?
01:18:51.000So you got your ten grand, your cash, you're driving over to this guy's house to buy the car, and you have this ten grand, you get pulled over.
01:18:57.000The cop would go, what are you doing 10 grand?
01:19:04.000In one case, this police department had bought a margarita machine with the 10 grand that they stole from people that they thought were buying drugs.
01:19:13.000Or they claimed to think were buying drugs.
01:19:34.000Search, you know, asset forfeiture for people that are suspected for selling drugs.
01:19:41.000If you have more than X amount of dollars on you, we can pull you over for that.
01:19:44.000And they've just used that over and over again, that one law, to rip off law-abiding citizens and then drag them through the legal system for years at their own expense.
01:19:54.000So even if they get their money back, the amount of time it's cost them, and obviously that time, a lot of it is you're going to lose work because of that time, and then hiring lawyers, legal fees.
01:20:06.000And if you lose, they robbed you of time and the money.
01:20:10.000If you can't prove where that money came from, maybe you're just really shitty with your taxes.
01:20:14.000You don't pay taxes, you work for cash, and you've been just working odd jobs for cash, you saved up a bunch of money.
01:20:20.000You can't prove that that money came from illegal means.
01:22:19.000That was one of the creepiest speeches ever, and the most fascinating thing about it is that it was captured, I mean, it was broadcast on television, but if you didn't listen to it that time, it was gone.
01:24:23.000I mean, the whole thing is so amped up in the U.S. A good doctor, like, you know, normal sort of—she's a psychiatrist— The psychiatrist in Spain, you know, good experience, whatever, might make 70 grand a year.
01:28:49.000So that's part of this whole thing I'm writing.
01:28:51.000But, you know, did you see that commercial?
01:28:53.000Speaking of irritating American commercials, there was one, I think it was on the Super Bowl even, where there's like a dude walking through the house and he's like, why do I have the best?
01:29:04.000I have the best because that's what I am and that's what I do.
01:29:58.000Or one of the things that people love to throw around is, especially in the fitness industry, is bro science.
01:30:05.000There's a lot of really wacky ideas when it comes to athletics, and some people, they have these ideas that don't necessarily have any scientific background to them, and they call it bro science.
01:31:36.000So this became a big problem because he said, you know, Ivanka, my daughter, she's one of the hottest, you know, most beautiful women in life.
01:31:46.000And he said, I'll tell you what, if I were 30 years younger and not her dad...
01:33:50.000George Carlin did a great thing on that, you know, in terms of Catholicism and how he said, like, this was like class clown way back, right?
01:34:28.000And it was invented to make sure that people weren't doing anything wrong.
01:34:33.000I mean, the priests would immediately report to any higher-ups of any illegal activity or stealing or, you know, adultery or fornication or whatever the fuck it would be.
01:34:44.000Do you ever read about the crazy shit where people were fucking animals in the Middle Ages and they would have trials?
01:34:51.000And sometimes the animals would be executed for being overly seductive.
01:35:10.000I have a friend who just wrote a book, The Boundaries of Desire.
01:35:14.000He's a historian who focuses on sexuality.
01:35:20.000And his first book was Sex and Punishment, and it was sort of like from the origins of civilization to the end of the 19th century, and then Boundaries of Desire is the 20th century.
01:35:31.000So he writes about all this crazy legal shit and, you know, like the Comstock laws that made it illegal to, in early 20th century America, to even teach sex education to women.
01:35:44.000Like you couldn't even teach women how they get pregnant.
01:35:51.000I've always wondered what it is about people that makes them, like, it's oftentimes, like, some of the earliest imprinting with pleasure that makes people attracted to certain things.
01:36:02.000That's where, like, fetishes come from.
01:36:03.000And I've always wondered, like, some people are like, Just overly attracted to extremely overweight women, like for whatever reason, that just locks into them.
01:36:15.000And I've always wondered, like, what is it about sexuality that, like, sexuality is, like, malleable?
01:36:21.000Like, it kind of adjusts to, like, what...
01:36:27.000I've heard stories of guys who caught their mom putting on pantyhose once when they were really young and then for the rest of their life became fascinated with a fetish of women wearing pantyhose and they want to jerk off on pantyhose and have pantyhose rubbed on their dicks.
01:36:44.000It becomes this weird sort of a sexual imprinting thing.
01:36:50.000Yeah, one of the interesting differences between male and female sexual development is that women don't seem to have that.
01:37:10.000Because they fall in love with an asshole, an abusive asshole or whatever.
01:37:14.000But men have a developmental window, generally from like five to nine years of age, somewhere in there.
01:37:22.000And exactly as you described it, if there's a particular experience that they have during that time, it can resonate with them for the rest of their lives.
01:37:32.000And once that window closes, that's it.
01:37:36.000You know, as you say, it could be pantyhose, it could be red high heels, it could be, you know, whatever it is.
01:37:42.000They've got that association and they can never not have it.
01:37:46.000They'll have it for the rest of their lives.
01:37:48.000Some people argue that pedophilia is a result of the same sort of thing.
01:37:53.000And I've argued, not in writing, but I've mentioned it on the podcast, I think that there's We form a manifestation of homosexuality, of what we call homosexuality, which is really a fetish,
01:38:09.000is better described as a fetish experience by a straight man.
01:38:21.000There's definitely a genetic component to sexual orientation, right?
01:38:25.000It's getting back to where we started, like how much is genetic, how much is experiential.
01:38:31.000So just as a seven-year-old boy can have an experience with, you know, seeing someone with pantyhose or, you know, whatever, he's under the table and his mom's friend comes and she's got red high-heeled shoes and he's got a hard-on and so he associates the two.
01:38:48.000What if that seven-year-old boy has an experience with another boy or with a man or an adolescent or whatever, right?
01:38:56.000So this guy sucks his dick or whatever it is.
01:38:59.000And so he's got this very deep association between having a man sucking his dick and this incredible pleasure.
01:39:08.000Even though he's straight, he's got that association.
01:39:11.000So for the rest of his life, he could have that association in the same way that another boy has the association with pantyhose or high heeled shoes or whatever.
01:41:58.000To be ignored by a professional ignorer.
01:42:00.000She sells her socks, her panties, her old tennis shoes, her toenail clippings, her hair, her salon.
01:42:09.000The way she got into it was she was living in Japan and she was like 17 or something and she was corresponding with some guy online and he was trying to pick her up and she wasn't into it but he was funny so she corresponded with him.
01:42:25.000And at one point, she said, I gotta go take a piss.
01:43:38.000You found an excellent niche or niche as it were.
01:43:42.000Duncan knew a girl who would sell her socks and she would wear them for days at a time to get them like really stinky and then she would sell them to dudes and you know like a couple hundred bucks at a time so like that was her thing she would just be wearing socks all the time and then sending them to people.
01:44:12.000Yeah, although as, you know, as things go, I mean, getting back to fetishes, you know, it's a relatively harmless, harmless thing, you know?
01:44:20.000And the fact that now people can engage these things in a more or less open way.
01:45:10.000And I said to her, like, you know, well, and she said, like, I never, you know, I don't contact wives, because they haven't agreed to participate in this.
01:46:34.000Is it because people couldn't have like a very rigid, or men rather, couldn't have a rigid idea of what's sexually attractive because if they did, if their standards were too high, then they wouldn't reproduce.
01:46:44.000And so in the times of demanding, you know, what we're like...
01:46:50.000John Marco Allegro, who was one of the lead scholars that was deciphering the Dead Sea Scrolls, he wrote this book called The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross.
01:47:17.000And he wrote another one called Sacred Mushroom and the Cross and something, Dead Sea Scrolls and the Christian Myth.
01:47:29.000And it's essentially about what the, it's his, after studying the Dead Sea Scrolls for 14 years, it's his interpretation that what Christianity was really all about was the consumption of psychedelic mushrooms and fertility cults.
01:47:46.000And that fertility back then was extremely important.
01:48:09.000They died of plague or they were invaded or whatever the fuck it was like they didn't have enough people and now there's no one and your name doesn't pass on so that this was like a real possibility so people is the idea of being sexually malleable that people can adapt to almost anything to become attracted to just make sure that they are attracted to something That they can come in something and make a person,
01:48:34.000whether it's overweight women or skinny women or this or that, that it can move around and that occasionally it gets imprinted that this is like the thing that you're really into.
01:48:44.000And that in times of great excess, when people are slovenly and like today, like this idea that a guy gets a fetish off being blackmailed, like what is that?
01:48:55.000That's a guy with too much fucking free time.
01:49:01.000That's not a guy who's out there picking mushrooms trying to find something edible to eat.
01:49:04.000No, this is a guy that's like sitting around trying to figure out a way to occupy his fucked up mind because, you know, it's too easy to just live.
01:49:13.000Like, he doesn't have real survival concerns.
01:51:33.000But if you're starving or dying of thirst, rather, you would just love to get that water in your mouth.
01:51:39.000And I think that's kind of the same thing with sex.
01:51:42.000And that's where I think a lot of perverts fuck themselves over, because they're just jacking off all day until they get blisters on their dick, and then they have to find a new way to hold their dick where it doesn't hurt as much.
01:51:51.000And when you do cum, you're chasing the dragon.
01:54:33.000You definitely get more upset at things more easily.
01:54:36.000But a lot of people, they develop actual anxiety.
01:54:39.000You have anxiety attacks from having an excess of testosterone.
01:54:45.000You start getting paranoid, and you can get weirded out about things.
01:54:48.000It's just a matter of going to an ethical doctor that really understands what they're doing, and then make sure you're not taking too much of it.
01:54:56.000You're doing it right, and you just want to stay within a healthy, consistent standard, and you'll just feel better.
01:55:02.000Your immune system will function better, but people don't like to talk about it because you have to admit that somehow or another you needed that.
01:56:40.000Without the testosterone, without growth hormone and thyroid hormone and all these different hormones that are functioning at their optimum levels, your body's just not going to work as well.
01:56:49.000It's like having a race car that you don't take care of the spark plugs.
01:58:03.000Well, even when guys get, like, a pee-boner, like when guys, like, if women don't know this, when men have to urinate and you wake up in the middle of the morning and your dick is hard, it's not because you're horny a lot of the times, it's because you have to pee.
01:58:43.000So while you're sleeping, you're getting boners.
01:58:45.000Yeah, and that's one of the ways they test to see if your impotence is psychological or physiological.
01:58:51.000They'll put like a little piece of paper tape on your dick, and in the morning, if the tape is torn, It means you had an erection at night, so it means your blood flow is fine.
01:59:16.000I mean, you asked a question earlier about the, you know, what's the purpose of the fetish generation, you know, module in the male brain and all that.
01:59:30.000One, in Sex at Dawn, we talked about animals, because this appears to be not only a human thing, but common to male mammals as well of other species.
01:59:42.000There was one experiment where this guy...
01:59:45.000I think it was in Scotland, took all the, he had a herd of sheep and a herd of goats.
01:59:52.000And one year he took all the babies and he put them with the other species.
01:59:57.000So now all the baby goats are living with the sheep and all the baby sheep are living with the goats.
02:00:02.000And he let them live with that species till they reach sexual maturity.
02:00:07.000At which point they were having sex with the...
02:00:09.000So the goats are having sex with the sheep and the sheep are having sex with the goats, right?
02:00:14.000Then he takes them and puts them back with their own species.
02:01:24.000And then there was another one where we quoted a...
02:01:29.000Someone who was going through a sex change from female to male, and she talked about, like, when she was a woman, she was a lesbian, and she lived in Manhattan, and she was talking about, like, yeah, you know, I'd be on the subway, and I'd see an attractive woman,
02:01:45.000and I'd think, I wonder what she's like, and what kind of food she's into, and what she's reading, and you know.
02:01:51.000And then when she was transitioning to male, she started taking testosterone.
02:01:55.000And she said, once I started taking testosterone, I'd be on the subway and I'd see the same kind of woman.
02:02:00.000And I'd just be like, tits, cunt, ass, cunt.
02:02:07.000And she said, it really gave me insight and compassion for adolescent boys.
02:02:24.000For the longest time, like, never understood men, and it was just alien to him, and then once he started taking testosterone, he was like, oh, this is why guys are so fucking creepy.
02:02:33.000It's like they're just overwhelmed by this demon inside of them, who we call testosterone, that you require in order to be happy and to enjoy anything in life.
02:02:41.000That's one of the things that happens to men with traumatic brain injuries, is the pituitary gland gets damaged, they stop producing testosterone, they get deeply depressed.
02:02:50.000And one of the best ways to mitigate that are supplementing them with testosterone.
02:02:55.000Like that cures a lot of the depression that a lot of these soldiers go through when they come back from the war.
02:03:01.000This traumatic brain injury just disrupts the pituitary's ability to function.
02:04:27.000But when you're driving around people, especially potential young mates, females that could see you, your testosterone rises when you're in this car.
02:04:37.000And even talking and flirting with potential young girls that you may, you know, one day have sex with, just being around them raises your testosterone.
02:07:45.000That's where I get a lot of my interesting news stories.
02:07:48.000But they were talking about this one particular type of cheese that is very difficult to get, and it's cured with cheese mites, like these mites.
02:07:59.000And if the mites are of a certain number per cheese, it becomes illegal to import into America.
02:08:06.000It's very sketchy, like how you do it.
02:08:08.000Over in France or wherever the fuck they grow this cheese where it's really popular, it just gets fucking lousy with mites.
02:08:16.000And that's where you get the real flavor of this cheese.
02:08:20.000And it's like a nutty, sort of a sweet taste to this cheese.
02:08:24.000And a lot of it is attributed to the fact that, first of all, They don't use homogenized or pasteurized milk.
02:08:30.000They use raw milk when they make their cheese, which is the way they make the best cheese.
02:09:47.000But they had a cheese place in Beverly Hills, and so we used to send these people who worked for Fear Factor to Beverly Hills, to this super expensive cheese place, and buy this really expensive, hard-to-get cheese, and it stunk like death.
02:10:00.000And we would pour that onto whatever the fuck they had to eat, and it would make them more repulsed.
02:10:05.000Did you ever have, like, French people on?
02:10:09.000Well, Filipinos, I have a bunch of friends that are Filipino, and they would always be like, because we serve people balut, and balut is a chicken or a duck embryo.
02:10:20.000It's like the full little embryos in there, and they'd eat it.
02:11:26.000It's definitely dangerous, especially for a guy who's 58, who has no background of athleticism at all, and all of a sudden starts at a very advanced age and becomes completely obsessed with it.
02:12:56.000And so they came up, they like developed this food source, this garp that you just like squeeze out of a tube and it's got everything you need.
02:13:31.000It's one thing if you're a fucking astronaut.
02:13:33.000You've got to survive in the space station with stuff you squirt in your mouth, but...
02:13:37.000This is like you have the abundance of the earth and you choose to squirt paste in your mouth instead?
02:13:43.000Well, see, maybe this is part of, you know, this is this movement you were talking about, right?
02:13:48.000Because getting us to eat Shit that doesn't take up space and we don't need clean air and we don't need healthy oceans.
02:13:59.000That's in the interest of the technology.
02:14:03.000If you see that that's where we're going, if you think that that's where we're going, then a lot of these things start to fall into place and make sense in a weird way.
02:14:12.000I mean, I read the other day that the tuna stocks in the Pacific Ocean are down like 40% in the last 20 years.
02:15:11.000Yeah, and this kid has developed, I don't know if it's an actual functional machine, but he's developed some sort of a device to clean up the ocean.
02:15:24.000Well, you've got to think plastic, once it becomes a valuable resource, if someone figures out how to take it out of the ocean, if it was gold floating around out there, we would have a million ships that are fighting over this to try to get in.
02:15:36.000Like, if Russia and the United States found gold Gold particles circling around at billions and trillions of dollars worth.
02:15:42.000Boy, they couldn't wait to plant a flag in the middle of the ocean to suck all this gold out of the water.
02:15:47.000Because it's plastic, we're like, I got plastic right here, dude.
02:16:54.000Because if we don't need any military at all, if there's no threat whatsoever, well, then that would be an appropriate way to respond.
02:17:01.000But what if they couldn't tell us how much threat there really was?
02:17:04.000And what if people had this idealistic idea of how the rest of the world functions, but meanwhile, there really is a need for the military?
02:17:37.000Like, what we're talking about, I think there's a push and a pull in this life.
02:17:43.000And I think, like, you know, we were talking about tides coming in and tides going out, populations dropping and then increasing.
02:17:49.000I think there's a need for resistance in some ways.
02:17:52.000And I think that there's almost a need for bad things.
02:17:56.000In order to inspire good things, we have to see the evil of something like ISIS or something, you know, fill in the blank, Joseph Kony, the Congo dictators and evil warlords.
02:19:33.000I mean, I'm not an anarchist and I'm not crazy.
02:19:37.000So I do feel like, you know, you've got to be ready to fight to defend yourself.
02:19:41.000But on the other hand, I sort of agree with, you know, the Gandhis and the Martin Luther King and that whole line, civil disobedience, Thoreau's great essay, that, like, the only way to really end violence is to just not participate in it.
02:19:56.000Because the minute you participate in it, then it's this cycle.
02:20:01.000Yeah, I mean, that's sort of inarguable, really, right?
02:20:05.000But if you do not participate and your loved ones are slaughtered before your eyes, then what?
02:20:12.000Like, should you have acted to stop that from happening?
02:20:15.000And is a certain amount of violence justified in order to promote a higher ethical and moral standard for the culture to eliminate people who don't abide by those things?
02:20:25.000But you would have to have very strict Interpretations of this, and you'd have to have very strict rules of engagement, and we clearly don't have that.
02:21:49.000And he testified about all the corruption that he was involved in and all the shit that he was involved in.
02:21:55.000And then they start reenacting it and talking about it in the documentary along with facts and different people and different players involved.
02:22:48.000I mean, LSD, one of my favorite fun facts about LSD is that it was mostly used initially by psychiatrists to get insights into what it was like to be psychotic.
02:23:32.000Like in shamanic practices, often it's the shaman who takes the drugs in order to change his or her consciousness to help you with whatever you're dealing with.
02:23:41.000I mean, that's such a beautiful, sort of noble approach to healing.
02:23:47.000I was driving yesterday and I drove past a short bus.
02:23:52.000You know, those little buses where kids are troubled.
02:24:05.000And he was like moving his hands around and nodding and going back and forth.
02:24:10.000He was like, at first I thought he was just playing.
02:24:12.000You know, I thought it was just a kid in a bus who was bored.
02:24:15.000And then as I was stuck there at the red light and I'm looking in this window and he was making noises and look at his face and he was moving his mouth around and he was just staring at his fingers.
02:24:27.000And I was realizing like, oh, this kid's kind of fucked up.
02:27:47.000So it was good to be able to fuck off to America for a few years.
02:27:51.000Yeah, I would imagine the burden of that would be pretty intense.
02:27:54.000When I was fucking off my way through college, I shouldn't say fucking my way through, I didn't really do much fucking college, unfortunately.
02:28:04.000I went to UMass Boston, and I basically was wasting my time there.
02:28:10.000I was only really going because I didn't want to be a loser.
02:28:13.000I'd go there because I would tell people, oh, I'm going to UMass Boston, but wasting my time.
02:28:18.000When I was trying to think of what would be a career that I would be interested in, psychology was the only thing that interested me because I thought, well, At the very least, at least I kind of understand how to manage my own mind because I obviously had a lot of troubles.
02:28:38.000There was a lot going on in there that I was trying to always wrestle with inside my head and I felt like if at least I do that, I will have a greater understanding of my own problems.
02:28:50.000But then I thought about it and be like, but I will be dealing with other people's fucking problems all the time.
02:28:55.000And I just don't have the patience for that.
02:28:57.000I admire people who do, but I'm not one of them.
02:30:02.000And that's what someone's doing when they're sabotaging their life in front of you consistently and continually, and they drag you into their world.
02:30:35.000People that are constantly dealing with other people's disasters and fuck-ups, if that's your day, it's just every day you're dealing with someone who can't stop eating cake or they can't stop jerking off or they can't stop whatever it is that they're hung up on, whatever craziness.
02:30:49.000I always feel like, man, in trying or even making an attempt to help those people, you're sort of giving up a lot of your sovereignty when it comes to your own established mental state.
02:31:02.000Yeah, which is why, you know, Casilda's got extremely firm boundaries.
02:31:09.000And when we're, like, you know, if we're hanging out with someone, you know, potential friends or whatever, just people, whatever, if she detects Something that's not right, she's just like, yeah, I'm gonna go home.
02:32:04.000They might be toxic just by the fact that they're fucking so self-indulgent.
02:32:10.000There's a lot of people that constantly want to talk about their own problems.
02:32:15.000Their own problems take precedent over everything that's going on, and it's just this constant examination of their own faults.
02:32:22.000And they never get better, those fucks.
02:32:24.000Those fuckers, they constantly repeat the same problems.
02:32:28.000And I think that a lot of them, they have even addictions, and that these addictions, whether it's alcohol or drugs or whatever the fuck it is, those addictions they have are almost like, it's like facilitates this need to talk about themselves and their problems.
02:32:43.000They create more problems, so they're constantly addressing their problems.
02:34:13.000The earlier regime, like the regime that they have now is really good, but they had an earlier regime, and several years ago I had a conversation with them over the phone.
02:34:21.000We were going over material, and in the middle of the conversation I went, stop, stop, stop.
02:36:02.000You know, there's always going to be pop music, and some pop music is really fucking good.
02:36:06.000And then there's always going to be just dirty, fucking nasty, like, music from the street, which is also really good if that's what you're into.
02:36:16.000You turned me on to Doug Stanhope talking about someone who just goes, he's fantastic.
02:37:17.000He wears ironic suits and he gets upset because now like more people are wearing these ironic suits and he's afraid that he's going to get lumped into these categories of these people that are like trying to act as if they're ironic.
02:37:50.000But I mean, as far as the publishing thing, because of the success of Sex at Dawn, I think I'm in a position to sort of, you know, I've got leverage.
02:39:33.000JD, or I can't remember what his name is, but he was working on Wall Street, making a bunch of money, late 20s, gonna marry his high school sweetheart, And they're going to go to the Bahamas or something on their honeymoon.
02:39:45.000And he goes in and he's talking to his boss and his boss says, oh, listen, by the way, sorry, congratulations on the wedding this weekend, but you got to be in here Monday because we got some deals coming up.
02:42:30.000I just, I'm so, between podcasting and blogging and people creating little internet videos of their own and these YouTube content people, like I had this guy Lewis on yesterday from Unbox Therapy and he like reviews technological things,
02:42:46.000unboxes them, he's very educated on them and really explains the ins and the outs and He really educates your buying options because he gives you a lot of information that's pretty unique.
02:42:59.000But these guys, there was no option like that before.
02:43:02.000There was no in-depth consumer reports that completely uncensored, without commercials for 10, 15, whatever minutes he chooses to upload the video.
02:43:13.000The same thing as we were talking about the impact the internet has, what an amazing thing it is because there's never been something like a podcast like this.
02:43:21.000This podcast is going to reach a million people.
02:43:24.000This one is going to get downloaded by a million people plus.
02:43:28.000And over the course of X amount of years, who knows how many million it'll be because it's always up, available, it's always free.
02:43:35.000Anybody can download it and it's available in a bunch of different forms.
02:43:38.000So you can get it from YouTube, you can get it from Vimeo, you can get it from That's why I hope we're not fucked.
02:43:58.000I don't know if we're fucked, but I know that this thing that we have right now is fucked.
02:44:02.000Like this set up, you know, the Congress and the Senate and the fucking lobbyists and the president and the Department of Defense.
02:44:42.000So I'm hoping that the next will be a return to the dispersed power because of what we're talking about, because now we've got direct connections To everyone.
02:44:55.000And it seems at least if it's not the only option, it'll be an option.
02:45:00.000It'll be like there will be corporations that are set up that are more ethical, more connected to people, and more grounded in their approach to trying to acquire money.
02:45:35.000These kind of discussions and discussions like this, whether it's on social media or what have you, and just people's ability to Google and actually get the raw data and kind of...
02:45:47.000It educates understanding and it just changes the way we view it.