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00:06:58.000We've already discussed cocaine, radical feminism, radical progressives that want to take over the world, prescription drugs, tight shirts.
00:07:18.000I guess it was somebody just, I get a lot of interesting stuff tweeted at me.
00:07:23.000And I read one of your Breitbar pieces.
00:07:25.000And I was like, check this motherfucker out.
00:07:28.000And then I found out that you're gay and you're a part of this gamer gate, but you were on the side of the people that were not the ultra progressives.
00:07:41.000And then you were in these debates against these radical feminism chicks and shutting them down.
00:07:47.000And I was like, you were very kind about me.
00:08:08.000Like all the stuff that you, the thing that I'd seen, you gotten in this argument about why certain women gravitate towards certain jobs and men gravitate towards jobs.
00:08:18.000And this idea that a lot of this is just cultural.
00:08:21.000A lot of this is something that we're pushing upon young men and not young women.
00:08:25.000And you were like, well, this isn't the case at all.
00:08:49.000I listen, I like pop culture, you know, all of those things.
00:08:52.000I shouldn't really exist, but I do, unfortunately for them.
00:08:55.000One-tenth of your tweets are about how fabulous your hair is?
00:08:58.000Yes, or black dick, you know, one of those things.
00:09:01.000Any of those subjects, you know, it's hair or, you know, the men that I'm into.
00:09:05.000It's very, very difficult for them to beat me for one simple reason, which is they've never been questioned.
00:09:09.000They've never been called on any of this stuff by anybody serious or anybody who doesn't conform to the progressive rules of identity politics.
00:09:17.000So when they come for me, their usual response from a feminist to anybody bringing facts or a serious counter-argument is simply to dismiss them as a sexist or a bigot or a misogynist.
00:09:28.000It's really tough to make that allegation against me.
00:10:16.000So I sort of hit, I've been a journalist for 10 years.
00:10:19.000I've done some good stuff, broken some big stories, but I never really kind of crossed over entertainment into the mainstream.
00:10:23.000It just started to happen about a year ago.
00:10:25.000And I started to get emails from friends, and they were saying, so what's going on here?
00:10:28.000People keep emailing me, asking me about you, like trying to ask, back in 2011, did he really do this?
00:10:35.000And what I realized is when they recognise you as a threat, when they identify you as somebody who could do them damage, they start going on maneuvers, trying to find out everything about you, trying to find out what the worst stuff they have on you is so that they can dismiss you as a bigot or a sexist or a neo-Nazi or whatever they can come up with.
00:10:51.000Because their strategy is to dismiss the speaker by attacking the speaker's credibility, because that way they never have to even consider the merits of the argument.
00:11:00.000They haven't been able to do that with me, which is why feminists now refuse to debate me on TV because they know they'll lose.
00:11:08.000They can't bring out, they've got this battery of dismissal tactics that they've amassed over the last 30 years.
00:11:14.000And they've got so complacent because they've never had a sassy gay person come up and say, you're talking bullshit and you're hurting men.
00:12:36.000I want Marco Rubio just because he's hot.
00:12:39.000If we can't have Trump, then I won't regret.
00:12:40.000I don't think that, I think people are silly.
00:12:52.000And they're not very good at looking at the momentum of their actions.
00:12:55.000They just think that they're right because this is what they've been saying for so long.
00:12:59.000And I think that's one of the most horrific things about these conversations that these women get in with you about because when they're talking about what they think are social constructs, things like gender identities and the way people be, and when you shatter that with the facts, they're looking for some other weapons and there's nothing there.
00:13:20.000And you see it in their eyes, you know?
00:13:21.000Right, because it's not really a debate about the idea itself.
00:13:27.000That's why people like Christine Hofsomers call them gender warriors, because these aren't people who want any kind of social justice, as they say.
00:13:48.000And fundamentally, a lot of this, these crazy extremist progressive third-wave feminists, today's version of feminism, it basically boils down to misandry.
00:13:56.000And it takes a gay guy, because it's so dangerous for men to even broach this subject anymore.
00:14:00.000And any man with a mainstream job puts that at risk by even talking on the subject, no matter what his opinion is.
00:14:05.000It takes a gay guy to go on Sky News in the UK and say, I'm sorry, the facts are not on your side, and what you're doing is damaging to women.
00:14:11.000It's, to me, really an indictment on debate in our public square that it is so dangerous for a man to even express an opinion on this subject that it takes a fag to go and stick up for heterosexuals.
00:14:26.000I mean, you know, if other men could say this, they would be, but they can't because they risk their careers.
00:14:30.000Feminists are always talking about silencing.
00:14:35.000There's a lot of doxing and going after people and a lot of anger when it comes to all this stuff.
00:14:41.000But I think what you have in many cases, when you see this kind of like disjointed, illogical sort of way of thinking, I think you have people that are assholes that find a cause that gives them the green light to be an asshole.
00:14:58.000I think no disrespect to any particular church, but I think it's reasonable to say 50 years ago, if you were a bully, if you were a sociopath, you wanted to take out on other people, you wanted to wreak harm on the world that you thought would hurt you, a reasonably good way of doing that would be to join the clergy.
00:15:13.000And I think most of us who are religious, who have religious families, know stories like that.
00:15:17.000These days, you're better off getting a job at Gawker.
00:15:20.000If you want to bully somebody, if you really want to hurt them, if you have some sort of internal chaos or damage and you want to impose order on the world outside because you feel so confused and broken and messy, the best way to do it today is to become a social justice warrior.
00:15:31.000Because not only do you get the same kind of status in society the clergy would have done 50 years ago, but you also get media platforms.
00:15:39.000And if you layer on these new tactics of fake abuse and fake harassment and these terrible men coming for me on the internet with stuff, you can make quite a lot of money too.
00:15:56.000It's like a crowdfund me for my ideas.
00:15:59.000It's kind of like, so in the old days, you'd have patrons of the arts, and they would be a prince or some rich guy, or maybe a little later in history, it would be a mercantile patron, in the way that many industrialists and bankers still give a lot of money to their local opera house or something like that.
00:16:16.000So Patreon is a way of turning that open into crowdfunding.
00:16:19.000So your patron becomes a load of people, all of whom give you a little bit of money.
00:16:24.000So it's, in theory, quite a respectable and interesting way of funding the arts.
00:16:31.000In principle, there's nothing wrong with it, but it seems to become colonized by people who are raising money on the basis of sympathy rather than anything they actually create.
00:16:38.000So what I've noticed in my reporting on this is the vast majority of people begging for money on Patreon, as far as I can tell, I'm sure Patreon will tell me most of the money on their platform goes to creative projects, but as far as I can tell, it's people bleating for sympathy, fishing for empathy.
00:16:56.000There's a lot of women on there claiming to be, you know, claiming that their lives are being ruined by men.
00:17:01.000I can't find the tweets they're talking about.
00:17:02.000And it's a way for, I mean, there's this And I'm going to remember it wrongly, but it's something along the lines of, every day on the internet, some goony beard man promises to be nice to a social justice warrior in the hope of a wank or the hope of a blowjob or something like that.
00:17:23.000And it's these guys who just sort of throw a fiver or throw a tenner a month, $20 a month to this video games developer who's never produced anything in her life, but claims she's getting harassed and claims she's getting threats.
00:17:32.000It's a very, very weird psychological dynamic.
00:17:55.000And they've reached for the nearest victimhood script available to them because we live in a culture where victimhood is the most valuable currency that you can amass.
00:18:05.000And so they go out, they advertise what a terrible life they have and how awful people are to them on the internet.
00:18:10.000And they ask men, mainly it's women asking for money from men, effectively for sympathy dollars.
00:18:18.000It's incredibly to the human spirit, aside from anything else.
00:18:22.000You're basically telling these women that they have more value as whingers and liars and gender warriors than they do as creators or mothers.
00:18:34.000I think that what we're talking about as far as people that are assholes that just latch on to a cause.
00:18:42.000And then that if you go to their page, there's so many of them that write blogs and you go to their blog and their blog is just an attack blog.
00:18:49.000It's just consistent attacks on people that don't share their ideas or have differing ideas.
00:18:57.000I've coined a term for this quantum superstate feminism.
00:19:00.000And it is feminism that exists at once as aggressor and victim.
00:19:05.000It is simultaneously and at all times aggressor and victim.
00:19:08.000And it describes these women who go out lobbing shit at people and then instantly turn into damsels in distress when they see their own language returned in kind.
00:19:18.000Quite often returned at greater volume because what they're saying is ridiculous and offensive and people get annoyed about it, perfectly reasonably.
00:19:24.000And also if you create an environment in which it's fine to say anything you want about men, it's fine to say kill all white men.
00:19:29.000It's fine to publish articles in mainstream new media publications about how to hurt men and all the rest of it.
00:20:21.000Well, I think what they're doing is taking at face value this demand for us to treat women, I say us, for them to treat women just like they would their buddies down the pub.
00:20:31.000Well, if you've ever actually been to a pub when you're hearing men like out playing snooker or whatever, they're fucking awful to each other.
00:21:17.000You go on some of these communities in Reddit, and you read some of these blogs, and they're sort of, you know, they're like fainting couch men's rights activists.
00:21:25.000Okay, so I have a friend, Julie Bendle, who's very, very funny.
00:22:03.000You are taking a joke, like, you're taking a joke, you're pretending to take it seriously, and then you're starting an outrage circus about it.
00:22:09.000And I was like, for fuck's sake, I am out.
00:22:16.000Isn't that what this is supposed to be like fighting against?
00:22:18.000You know, I'm in this because I'm like a cultural libertarian, as my colleague Alan Bukhari puts it.
00:22:22.000You know, I believe in classical liberalism, freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of expression.
00:22:26.000You know, I don't care what you believe.
00:22:27.000I just want you to have, I want to be able to interrogate your ideas in the public square.
00:22:31.000But, you know, this outrage circus that so many men seem to be getting involved in, and the way they treat, you know, they call circumcision male genital mutilation.
00:23:36.000I'm sorry to offend you, but I think I'm in the minority here, but I just can't imagine why any man wouldn't want lots and lots of really good blowjobs.
00:23:44.000Well, apparently it feels better when the skin is on.
00:26:11.000You know, look, there's absolutely a bunch of horrible shit that happens to women on a daily basis.
00:26:16.000I mean, every time you see these fucking Cosby stories, these women that are coming out of nowhere about Bill Cosby, when women talk about worrying about being drugged, and if you don't know anybody that's actually happened to, or someone close to that's actually happened to you, that danger doesn't seem real.
00:26:35.000But you see this Bill Cosby thing, and you're like, not only is it real, it's like, here's the guy that was America's the voice of morality for a generation.
00:26:48.000There's become such a mania, a moral panic, like moral panics in history about this stuff, that the genuine victims are starting to be disbelieved.
00:26:58.000And this is driven by, I'm sorry to say, kind of the sort of progressive narrative over fact kind of journalism.
00:27:18.000Naturally, well, yes, but we should be working out how to solve and prevent these crimes better.
00:27:23.000And the way to do that is not to stage a moral panic in the media, pointing fingers at innocent people.
00:27:29.000And when you, as was clearly the case with Rolling Stone, sort of sweep under the carpet facts or omissions that throw doubt on your story, because you think this is just something we should be talking about anyway.
00:27:43.000Whether the specific case, whether we have the details around the specific case, what happens is when these rape stories or whatever it is get successive rape stories get repudiated and debunked, it undermines confidence and trust in anyone who makes that complaint.
00:28:43.000I mean, the way this thing started, I think, Christina Hoffsommers at the American Enterprise Institute, who I always cite because she's so fantastic, and so on.
00:28:51.000March feminist lady who hates feminism.
00:28:54.000She's clever, and she does have some problems with contemporary feminism and gender warriors.
00:28:59.000She does a great series, The Factual Feminist.
00:29:01.000I'm sure a lot of you have seen already.
00:29:03.000But she sort of tracked down the original study for this, which was a sample size of about 70 people and an adult education college, which is so completely alien in character.
00:29:13.000I mean, these people are like 20 years older.
00:29:15.000And of course, adult education colleges, there is a different set of social issues that go along with adult education college than 20-year-olds, undergrads, what do you call them, freshmen, doing a regular degree in college.
00:29:47.000But in some universities, it is part of the university's conduct code that unwanted sexual advances, that means me saying, you're really pretty, can I buy you a drink, constitute sexual harassment.
00:30:01.000Now, this is just, you know, you have to close down every nightclub in the country.
00:30:05.000It's just extraordinary bonkers, you know, crazy stuff.
00:30:09.000And this is, you know, 30 years of unchallenged feminism, which is why I do what I do, because I think it matters.
00:30:20.000So, I mean, like, you know, you're maybe my dad's, almost at my dad's generation, but anyone your age, even right down to my age, I'm 30.
00:30:26.000It would have been a bit ridiculous for us to say that, you know, society is architected against men.
00:30:30.000You know, when we were growing up, it just wasn't the case, and there's no point trying to pretend that it was.
00:30:34.000But I speak to boys all the time, and I've interviewed so many of them now, of about 20, who do go through life experiencing this extraordinary sort of architecture against them, whether it's being whacked on Adderall at school, or more women, you know, getting into university for no good reason, or women, in a Cornell 2015 study, showed that women have a two-to-one advantage going for a STEM job in academia, so being discriminated against because they don't have a vagina.
00:31:00.00020-year-old boys do have some serious problems now.
00:31:03.000And we risk not just one, but many lost generations of boys.
00:31:08.000I wrote a big two-part about this that I think a lot of people were very nice about and seemed to go down very well.
00:31:13.000Yeah, there's some really serious stuff to address here, which is one of the reasons I do what I do, because I think that's what journalism is supposed to be for, speaking up for people who don't have a platform themselves and that the establishment has lost sight of and doesn't care about anymore.
00:31:26.000But it's why I think it's important to tell the truth about statistics.
00:31:29.000You can't help victims if you lie in your first sentence about what the problem is.
00:31:33.000And there is not a systemic, problematic gender pay gap in the United States or in Europe.
00:31:39.000There is not an epidemic of rape culture on campus.
00:31:44.000There is not a problem in universities or with not enough women going into STEM, into science, technology, or mathematics subjects.
00:31:52.000All of these things have subtle and sophisticated explanations that when you take into account human nature and the different choices people make and what women want to do, you realize that this stuff is bunk.
00:32:05.000But many of these myths simply won't die.
00:32:08.000Well, you also have to take into consideration there's a bunch of other variables, right?
00:32:11.000Like women leaving because they have children and you have to factor that into the amount of income that they generate.
00:32:18.000This stuff is based on a misunderstanding between earnings and pay.
00:32:21.000can't take all the men in society and all the women in society and do like a two two stage calculation and say right well there's 77 as much money on this side right right that's not what people mean when they say there's a page when you say that it's a page where you say that it's a And that's the phrase they use, to admance, Implying that women get paid less for the same work.
00:32:43.000That's the implication that they're making through all of this, because they're confusing earnings with wages, right?
00:32:48.000What actually happens is men work longer hours.
00:32:51.000Even when you control for children, men take fewer holidays, they take shorter holidays, they work longer hours, they make more money for their firms, all the rest of it.
00:33:24.000I mean, I think the term is statistically there are more men that are working longer hours, that are working harder, that generate more money.
00:33:32.000But to say, like, men do that, when we all know lazy fucks, it just happened to be a lot of fun.
00:33:35.000Well, the reason I do it is that, the reason I phrase it exactly like that is that I don't want to, you know, let's not open up this whole not all men stuff that the left does, because that is the route into this sort of social conditioning argument, yeah?
00:33:51.000Is it not all men or is it just objective?
00:33:53.000Well, the point I'm trying to make is that men generally have the following traits, right?
00:34:00.000And this is reflected in employment systems.
00:34:02.000This example is fine, but I mean, especially when it comes to lazy.
00:34:24.000Again, I think your generation, my generation, sounds ridiculous, but I speak to 20-year-old boys all the time who are saying, I can't be bothered with women.
00:34:32.000You know, there's this movement, MGTOW, men going their own way.
00:34:35.000Yeah, but they're actually fuckers involved in the female.
00:34:37.000They say that, but there's a lot of No, no, no, no.
00:34:56.000Look, people like us are not going to want for sex, right?
00:35:01.000Because we're outgoing and ballsy and brash and self-confident and all the rest of it, right?
00:35:05.000We're not going to have too much of a problem.
00:35:06.000But there are plenty of men who don't have our self-confidence and who are being, you know, bullied and derided and ridiculed every day in the media.
00:35:19.000No, the number of female suicides, I mean, it's different statistics, different countries, it differs slightly, but the female numbers aren't really changing.
00:35:27.000Women are getting more unhappy decade after decade, but they don't actually commit suicide.
00:38:29.000Okay, maybe not that language, but you know, you're a ridiculous woman, I'm paying you no attention whatsoever.
00:38:34.000And that key second part of the phrase, which is what I was really focusing on, that second part of that phrase, that's what makes them come running.
00:39:16.000It's not about masculinism either, if that's a word.
00:39:19.000It's about just people not being full of shit.
00:39:22.000People not, you know, just not crying victim when you're not really a victim.
00:39:27.000Not pulling the fucking fire alarm on a guy who's that Toronto thing where the guy was, they totally misrepresented the position of his book, misrepresented what his position was on women, period, and on men.
00:39:42.000And he was just essentially trying to highlight various issues some men have, and they were calling him to sorry.
00:39:50.000I mean, look, I quite like getting insults because I like to rate them.
00:40:19.000They insult and ridicule and demean and try to discredit the speaker.
00:40:23.000And if they can't do that, they will do some other kind of silencing or no platforming or whatever so that those opinions can never be allowed.
00:40:28.000They do not want those opinions ever aired in public because those opinions and the facts that underpin them, the reasoning that underpins them, which is what people go to these talks to hear, is so dangerous to the feminist narrative, which is basically based on feeling and not fact, based on bigotry and class and gender hatred, not any kind of sensible analysis of the way the world works.
00:40:50.000I've got so many invitations to universities for the next six months.
00:40:55.000And this isn't an advertisement to any feminists listening, but I know this is going to happen.
00:43:04.000I like that you find it horrible because it shows to me that chivalry is not dead.
00:43:07.000And you have a decent respect for women and for speaking about women properly.
00:43:13.000And I like that you're offended by, well, offended, but I like that you find it distasteful to speak of women in that way because it speaks well of you.
00:43:22.000I think what feminism has done has made it very difficult to be nice about women because they've created this environment where there's so much hate and bile and ridicule hurled at men.
00:43:29.000Men feel like they've got to respond in kind or just check out entirely.
00:43:56.000These ugly women, who, by the way, there are all sorts of studies which I love, which show that ugly women are much more likely to be liberals.
00:46:08.000During that process, during that process, you still have sexual needs.
00:46:11.000So he had not accomplished any of those goals.
00:46:14.000So he was not attractive to these women.
00:46:18.000And because he wasn't attracted to these women, I witnessed, over the course of knowing him for several years, I witnessed this misogyny grow inside of him.
00:46:26.000And it was based on the interactions that he had with women were all negative.
00:46:30.000The interactions he had with women, he came away feeling bad about himself, feeling rejected.
00:46:35.000And so he started to project that they were the root cause of this issue.
00:46:39.000I think you're dealing with a lot of the same thing with these feminists.
00:46:42.000I think the problem is that society has been architected in such a way that those outcomes, those rejections, are now not just the norm, but almost enforced by a woman's need to reject a man and to say, you know, look at this stuff, you know, unwanted advances of sexual harassment.
00:47:05.000You grossly underestimate the influence these people have on not just debate in the media, but on policy in universities and even the government.
00:47:19.000And when it starts in California, it spreads elsewhere.
00:47:23.000Every big American university has a ridiculous code of conduct that's got this stuff embedded in it.
00:47:28.000And it comes from the, you know, the, yes, it comes from the crazies.
00:47:31.000I admit, I willingly admit that most women are wonderful and they don't buy into this shit.
00:47:36.000And indeed, of course, in just, what is it, in just two years, from 28% of women down to 18% of women identify as feminists.
00:47:42.000Fewer than one in five women call themselves feminists because they see what we see, which is that these feminists are all misendrist, lesbianic, crazy people.
00:47:49.000But those misendrist, lesbianic, crazy people are affecting laws in this country and in my country.
00:47:54.000They're affecting conduct, codes of conduct at university that dictate a man's entire future and a woman's entire future for that matter.
00:48:00.000And the happiness and good sexual health and the destination of the species, the way that men and women interact with each other is becoming poisoned by these people.
00:48:09.000You grotesquely underestimate their influence if you write them off as a few mad crazies in student unions.
00:48:14.000I don't underestimate their influence.
00:48:16.000They are, but they have gigantic purchase on the media and therefore on politicians.
00:48:20.000Well, they certainly do when it comes to schools.
00:48:48.000Well, that's a different thing, isn't it?
00:48:50.000I mean, when the president, I mean, the president is really just a guy who's supposed to parrot what everybody else sort of already believes anyway.
00:48:57.000And if that's what the progressive is.
00:49:00.000You think a Republican president would be any different?
00:49:28.000Look, he taps into, you know, look, you and I are both, you know, obviously I don't have a fraction of your reach and extraordinary audience and fans, but we're both in our own ways kind of countercultural figures and very popular countercultural figures.
00:49:45.000And I think that, you may not like this, but I think Trump taps into a similar vein of frustration and suspicion and hatred of the establishment, of the political media classes.
00:49:56.000I think you and I both benefit from the business.
00:49:58.000I think you and I both benefit from some of the same instincts that make people quite like Trump.
00:50:03.000They don't like Trump because they believe what he has to say about taxation, because they know he's inconsistent on that.
00:50:08.000They might like what he says about immigration, but they don't necessarily like the fact that he was a funder to Hillary and all he got out of it was her showing up to the wedding.
00:50:15.000They don't, in many cases, particularly like the way he speaks about women, and I think Carly Fiorina was magnificent in that debate.
00:50:21.000But what they do like is the fact that he doesn't give a shit, doesn't apologise, and gives such a gigantic, brilliant, bloody nose to the establishment that has drifted so far from ordinary people.
00:50:32.000You and I are both net beneficiaries of that same frustration.
00:50:36.000And that's why I like Trump, because I think broadly, look, I don't want him in the White House, I'll be honest, okay, don't tell anyone this.
00:50:41.000But, you know, I don't want him in the White House, but I do understand why people like him.
00:50:46.000And the instinct that people have to like him, that sort of sense of mischief and gadfly-ishness, the reason people want to vote for him, because it makes the establishment, Republicans, so angry and they don't understand it.
00:51:22.000That's what the politicians also fail here, isn't it?
00:51:24.000When it comes to American politics and American education, I think there's some parallels to be drawn.
00:51:29.000And I think one of the parallels is that any of these ancient systems that were established back when the world was completely different and didn't have the internet, they are no longer valid today.
00:51:42.000And we're clinging to these old ways of operating that if you try to propose them today, no one would buy into it.
00:51:50.000No one would buy into American universities today.
00:51:56.000If you tried to propose the whole educational system as it is today, where you put people out of college, when you release them, they are hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt with no fucking jobs to be seen.
00:52:09.000The reason it's wrong isn't that it's anachronistic, because there are things that are not strictly justifiable with logic, which nonetheless work best.
00:52:20.000Well, as to why we should have a queen If you don't, if you don't, once you get them out, if you don't somehow or another establish a new empire.
00:52:27.000Like what happened in Libya, like what happened in Iraq.
00:52:30.000I don't think that's a necessary condition.
00:52:31.000I just think, you know, for example, the monarchy in England, you can't make a plausible, rational argument to establish a ruling monarchy in the United Kingdom today.
00:52:45.000It means we don't get a European-style president with his retinue of jaguars and all of the kind of pomp and circumstance and nonsense that goes with that.
00:52:57.000Well, the British people understand, and Americans understand this too, actually, the importance of significance, the binding power and the value of tradition and institution and history.
00:53:07.000And it's something that progressives hate, all of the assumptions on which these things are based.
00:53:10.000They hate all of the effects of them too, which is generally to...
00:53:21.000And people come from all over the world because they instinctively understand this too.
00:53:26.000You know, the monarchy just works best for us.
00:53:28.000Don't you think that should be an earned position, though?
00:53:30.000I mean, isn't that what we're all trying to accomplish in life is to become great.
00:53:35.000This is why I don't believe in paid internships because I think they introduce a dangerous element of egalitarianism into the system.
00:54:10.000My point, which is a serious point, is that just because it's anachronistic doesn't make it wrong.
00:54:14.000There are problems with the university system in America, but I don't think just because you wouldn't construct it like it's constructed today, that means you shouldn't do it at all.
00:54:23.000The monarchy is a good example of that.
00:55:43.000This is why America is great, because it's not Europe.
00:55:45.000And everything that I see and hear from Obama suggests to me that he wants to take America.
00:55:49.000It always used to be the case that Europe followed America's lead in so many wonderful things, whether it's pop culture.
00:55:54.000And I personally think all those have been largely positive imports.
00:56:00.000But it now seems like America's following Europe's lead in censorship, in cracking down on free expression and creativity and all that kind of stuff.
00:56:27.000There's a scandal a few years ago, thousands of people dying in some hospital, and the Labour government just didn't give a shit or didn't do anything about it.
00:56:37.000Fine, there are some problems with the American model in healthcare, but trust me, you do not want the NHS.
00:56:41.000And the way that Obama is pushing America to be more like Europe, I think it's going to hasten its decline as a world power.
00:56:48.000We have seen your future, as my colleague at Breitbart, James Dellingpole, wrote a book, I think he called it Obamania, We've Seen Your Future and It Doesn't Work.
00:56:57.000And it was a sort of a love letter to the United States explaining that we've seen where Obama wants to go because we're living it.
00:57:57.000You have a manifesto and you try and see as much of your manifesto through as you can, and people hold you to account for telling what any one person really truly has in that position.
00:58:06.000The whole point of the way the United States is structured is to limit the power of the president.
00:58:11.000You have all of that built into the system, and that's all good.
00:58:14.000But he does have a huge influence on what people talk about, how they talk about it.
00:58:19.000He makes decisions about foreign policy and war, which is one of the most important things that a nation can decide about itself, is who it's going to fight.
00:58:27.000He does make those kinds of decisions, and those kinds of decisions matter.
00:58:32.000You say he does, but he does, based on what?
00:58:35.000Based on you seeing him talking on television, we have no idea what exactly is going on behind the scenes.
00:58:40.000No, but the president has the executive authority to launch whatever.
00:58:43.000I'm talking purely in practical terms, right?
00:58:45.000This guy can send planes to places, right?
00:58:48.000But everything we've seen from Obama suggests that he wants to take a sort of weird, progressive, socialized, pseudo-European approach to domestic policy, healthcare, taxation.
00:59:00.000And this scares us in Europe because we looked up to you guys.
00:59:05.000America, for me, as a European, and your viewers are going to pick holes in this, I'm sure, but for me, Britain is probably the greatest country in the world because it didn't invent democracy or property rights or any of those great values that now the world basically revolves around.
00:59:22.000But it was the best at spreading them.
00:59:25.000England in particular spread democracy, property rights, freedom around the world.
00:59:29.000And everywhere that Britain has been is a nice place to live.
00:59:32.000And anywhere that Britain hasn't been, you wouldn't want to go to.
00:59:35.000And America's sort of the distillation of the highest and best values of Britishness, freedom and democracy and free speech and all this kind of stuff.
00:59:45.000America was America's, like, you know, this petri dish.
00:59:47.000What will happen if we take the very best of British values, the stuff that we've spent centuries propagating around the world, making the world a nice, prosperous, you know, fair place to live?
00:59:58.000What will happen if we take them and we cut all the crap out and we make a country like that?
01:00:15.000Because we've been in decline for centuries, but importing to America the values that Britain spread around the world over hundreds of years.
01:00:20.000But wasn't the whole deal that we wanted to get the fuck away from everything that you guys represented?
01:00:50.000Yes, but that's what they were assuming.
01:00:52.000These values that Britain spread to India, spread to the bits of the Middle East that Britain went to that are nice places to live now, where women can dress how they like.
01:01:02.000Kuwait, for example, not a terrible place to be.
01:01:04.000Where Britain didn't go, Saudi, not a place you'd want to be.
01:01:07.000Anywhere that Britain has touched has become better for it.
01:01:19.000Nobody else can touch Britain for just sheer global influence.
01:01:22.000Australia, Canada, all the places Britain has touched are dramatically better as a result.
01:01:29.000But for me, the sort of highest distillation of those values that Britain was spreading around the world was always America, and Obama is tearing America away from those values.
01:01:39.000That's why I said he was a terrible president.
01:01:41.000That's why I struggle with him in that office, because he seems to me to be profoundly, and I know this is something that sort of crazy right-wings on the internet always say, but he just seems to me to be profoundly un-American.
01:02:02.000He doesn't believe in free speech because he thinks free speech should be curtailed to save the feelings of certain interest groups and minorities.
01:02:13.000Well, because effectively, the stuff he says about harassment of, you know, he's bought into this harassment nonsense.
01:02:21.000The stuff he said about net neutrality, the stuff he said about the rape campus stuff, all of these things are satellites of the free speech argument, right?
01:02:28.000Net neutrality being a satellite of the free speech argument?
01:02:31.000Because it's all about free speech, yeah.
01:02:37.000No, it's about the government regulating the internet.
01:02:39.000Net neutrality is about the government regulating the internet, having control over what private companies can do, about the relationship that a private company has with its own customer, right?
01:02:47.000You have a service from, I don't know what your private providers are called, Comcast or whatever.
01:02:51.000You know, your relationship with Comcast is a private business arrangement between you and that company, right?
01:02:56.000Net neutrality is about the government trying to intrude on that relationship and dictating what kind of business arrangement you can come to with Comcast.
01:03:04.000And it's going to say, Comcast, you cannot offer this package of services.
01:03:07.000You cannot suggest to the customer that there might be a higher tier service for people who pay more, just like, you know, you can get a better car if you pay more, or you can, you know, get anything else in life.
01:03:16.000If you've got more money, you get a better version of it, right?
01:03:19.000We're going to insist because we've got this crazy idea that the internet is some kind of utility, you know, like water or something.
01:03:25.000We're going to come in here and we're going to regulate and control the relationship that you, a private company, have with you, a private individual.
01:03:33.000That is at its essence a free speech argument because of what happens when you start regulating that traffic.
01:03:39.000The internet traffic that is split down, some of it's for Netflix, some of it's for email, some of it's for whatever, the way in which certain things get, you know, what it wants to do is say that all traffic is neutral, that it's all equal.
01:03:51.000But do you not see the benefit of that?
01:03:53.000Do you not see that people would be able to do that?
01:03:56.000But do you not see that people would be concerned with the government being able to throttle internet away and put power into corporations, have them have the ability to decide how much bandwidth goes to the corporate system?
01:04:08.000Americans worrying about the power of corporations.
01:04:12.000But it's not just worrying about it, it's knowing the fact that this has been done illegally already without the regulation.
01:04:17.000Do you think for a second that if the government is given the power to regulate how an internet service provider delivers its packets of data to consumers, they're not going to then start to wonder what's in those packets and then start to say, well, actually, you know what?
01:04:58.000I mean that there is the argument in America.
01:05:00.000There's an argument that insisting that all packets of data on the internet are treated equally favors new startups into the market because they don't have to compete with incumbents who have privileged access to high-speed products.
01:06:02.000The market works brilliantly for this stuff.
01:06:04.000Why allow the government to come in and dictate to private individuals and private corporations what their business relationship should look like and the nature of the services that they provide or the money they provide one another?
01:06:17.000Well, there's a large argument against net neutrality.
01:06:20.000There's a large argument online that we could spend hours going over the pros and cons of each side of it.
01:06:26.000But I think ultimately people have a distrust in large corporations and a distrust in the government.
01:06:33.000And either one of them having control of what has been like the one thing that's empowered people in this country is the ability to put out a message and to get information.
01:06:44.000And the fact that you could do it now just because it could be throttled.
01:07:51.000What we have in Europe is the UN Broadband Commission is specifically set up to find ways, it is paid for by European taxpayers, and its purpose is to find ways of regulating the internet.
01:08:03.000It has a brief to find ways of cutting down on internet freedoms.
01:08:07.000One of the ways it's found to do that is to get a load of batshit crazy feminists in to say that people who ridicule or criticize them on the internet are in fact guilty of harassment and abuse.
01:08:15.000And as a result, internet services should be almost pre-screened.
01:08:20.000Words should almost be pre-screened before they ever appear on the internet.
01:08:54.000If it were up to me, I'd just be at home.
01:08:56.000Anyway, so what they want to do is sort of like pre-brief all of this stuff, pre-check it.
01:09:01.000And if they don't, they want to clamp down ISPs.
01:09:03.000What you're doing right now is you're saying it's okay for the government to get involved in this kind of regulation of the private relationship that ISPs have with their customers, but it's not okay for the government to get involved in this kind of regulation.
01:09:38.000That's what was so disturbing about it, is the idea that the UN could get in and get involved and somehow or another punish social media websites and make them responsible for what the users post.
01:09:51.000Like if you post some inflammatory, ridiculous shit and they let it get into their neck.
01:09:56.000But if you did, if you went on a fucking late-night cocaine-fueled Twitter rampage and you typed a bunch of ridiculous shit about women with no like some women are there, oh, just women.
01:10:30.000No, I mean, look, there's actually an interesting discussion around this, and it's that it's about comment sections and commenting what people are allowed to say on the internet.
01:10:40.000There's this huge trend at the moment, and almost every progressive publication has either closed their comment section or indicated that they might.
01:10:46.000In the early days of the internet, you had these tech-savvy progressives, disproportionately based on in coastal cities, who said, because the only people they knew who used the internet were like them, were hipsters and coastal types, who said that the internet was going to create this extraordinary and amazing new world where everyone could express their opinions and it was going to democratize knowledge and democratize power.
01:11:08.000And the presumption they made was that everyone on the internet was going to be nice.
01:13:04.000So they come up with this idea, you know, this great internet, social media, social is going to be the new thing.
01:13:08.000The Guardian's going to throw its newsrooms open to the public on the assumption that Guardian readers and people who live in North London, which is something like Portland or Brooklyn or whatever, ish, sort of.
01:13:19.000So North London is like the hipster enclave?
01:13:21.000No, it's more actually sort of like posh-rich liberals, but it's not quite, it's not directly comparable, but sort of like roughly like that.
01:13:28.000You know, they were going to be homogenous, nice, polite lefties with the correct opinions about things.
01:13:33.000Actually, what's happened is it took longer than I anticipated, but what's happened is that ordinary people now can open Twitter accounts too and aren't sufficiently technologically educated to do so.
01:13:42.000And what all of these progressive media companies are discovering, the mics, the Voxes, the BuzzFeeds, the hawkers of this world are discovering, that most people don't agree with them.
01:13:51.000They are just, they've never, I know, it's shocking, but most people don't believe you should kill all men.
01:13:57.000Most people don't believe that white people, that black people can't be racist.
01:14:01.000Most people don't believe in this language.
01:14:03.000You don't believe everything on salon.com.
01:14:07.000Salon doesn't believe what's on salon.com.
01:14:09.000Look, it's impossible to believe those things in good faith because you have to lie so much to yourself and to others in order to make those arguments.
01:14:17.000It is one long practical joke, that side.
01:14:20.000It is just a gigantic piece of satire.
01:14:22.000I'm convinced it's funded by the Koch brothers to discredit liberalism.
01:14:29.000If you trace the Salon money back far enough, you will discover the surname Koch because it is the only explanation for how badly Salon discredits progressivism.
01:14:40.000Just today, they published another editorial from this fucking paedophile, you know, who I wrote about, and he wouldn't even dare bring my name up because he's too scared to get into it with me because he knows he'd lose.
01:14:50.000He published this thing about how I'm a paedophile, I don't act on it, right after I'd exposed a paedophile, Sarah Nyberg, and Gamergate, right?
01:14:57.000And it went all over the world, and it was this huge story that I wrote.
01:15:00.000Hold on, hold on, then I'm going to stop turning.
01:15:16.000Directly after that, with coincidental timing, Salon publishes this thing by a pedophile saying, oh, I'm a pedophile, but I don't act on it, which is precisely the defense that this person has used.
01:15:26.000So I respond, and I did a very good piece, and I urge all of your listeners to seek it out because it really is excellent journalism.
01:15:35.000Yeah, it was called something like, This is why the left, this is why liberal, this is why progressives stick up for pedophiles.
01:15:42.000It explains why pedophiles can get away with this stuff and why progressives and liberals back them.
01:15:54.000They make excuses for them, as Salon just did today.
01:15:57.000Today, they gave a space to this guy who is a pedophile about whom there is horrific stuff online, which hasn't come out yet, which you should watch this space for that because I know Steven Crowder knows about some of it, and so do I. Excuse me.
01:16:14.000Wrote a second piece for Salon today, playing the victim, saying that he came out as a paedophile and he's been subjected to right-wing hate.
01:16:23.000Yeah, this is the right-wing machine in action.
01:16:25.000This is the guy that only has one hand.
01:16:29.000I'm a paedophile, and I don't act on it.
01:16:31.000And I did this piece, and everyone came out and said that it was really supportive and it was really great, and that I'd help people to get through their own experiences.
01:16:39.000And everyone was really sympathetic, except the right-wing hate machine, meaning me, although he didn't dare mention me by name.
01:16:50.000Except the right-wing hate machine had the temerity to say, we think Peter Philly is wrong.
01:16:55.000And why is Salon giving a platform to this guy when there's so much dirt on the internet suggesting that he has physically touched young girls, for example?
01:17:05.000Okay, well, that's a completely different argument, right?
01:17:07.000Well, this is the thing, Salon gave a platform to this guy.
01:17:10.000And Salon ought to have known about this allegation.
01:17:12.000If you're going to make space on your platform for a self-confessed pedophile, and you will only find this on the left.
01:17:18.000This is what I mean by the left sticking up for pedophiles.
01:17:19.000They make excuses and they try to legitimize them.
01:17:22.000They try to habilitate this as an unfortunate sexual orientation rather than these people being dangerous predators that we need to be protected from.
01:17:31.000But I've never seen that, but you're saying this.
01:17:33.000All I've seen is you should pay attention with this guy discussing this.
01:18:08.000And by we, I mean people who actually wanted to find out what the science said, to continue to invest in things that are now unfundable, certain bits of research that don't agree with the progressive consensus, which you now can't get funding for.
01:18:22.000Well, so the transgender question is complex and difficult.
01:18:28.000And for example, Johns Hopkins doesn't do the surgeries anymore.
01:18:31.000The guy who used to run it there is a very outspoken critic of transition surgeries.
01:18:34.000This is not the best treatment pathway.
01:18:36.000They all end up killing themselves anyway.
01:18:37.000There's by most metrics no improvement in suicide rates.
01:18:40.000My view on this is, you know, we're probably going to look back in 30 years and wonder how we could ever have been so cruel as to allow somebody with a psychiatric delusion to start hacking at themselves to make reality conform to their own delusions.
01:18:51.000But by we earlier, what I meant was people who want to be science-led on this.
01:18:54.000And instead, what the left very, it was there on the cover of Time magazine.
01:18:59.000The trans thing is the next civil rights frontier.
01:19:01.000They very clearly articulated, they gave us all the clues we needed to work out how they were going to fight this one, right?
01:19:05.000And we just didn't pay any attention at the time, or some people didn't.
01:19:09.000They set it up as the next gay or the next bisexual or the next lesbian.
01:19:14.000It's just the next frontier in the civil rights struggle.
01:19:16.000I'm telling you, pedophilia is the one after that.
01:19:19.000Don't you think that if you are a person and you are of sound mind and body and you have a desire to be a woman and you've had this desire your whole life, but you were born a man.
01:19:31.000Shouldn't you be able to do whatever the fuck you want to do?
01:19:35.000There are people who wake up one day and think their arm doesn't belong to them.
01:19:38.000We don't cut their arm off because they think it doesn't belong to them.
01:19:41.000There are people who believe it's a little bit more difficult.
01:20:32.000I mean, if ever you needed evidence that the trannies are mentally ill, it's tranny campaigners.
01:20:36.000I mean, the transgender lobby are nuts.
01:20:39.000The reason journalists don't want to write about this stuff or don't want to enter the dangerous territory is that what they are on the receiving end of afterwards is just, I mean, I've had it.
01:20:56.000You know, these women who are going to get crap beaten out of them by somebody who's not a woman.
01:21:00.000It's only unfair if you don't say that you used to be a man.
01:21:04.000But you should give people have the ability for the option to opt out.
01:21:08.000And they shouldn't, I mean, what are we going to do?
01:21:10.000So any man who wants to be a women's MMA fighter, we're just going to basically give him a gold-lined pathway to the championship because no woman's going to want to get in a ring with him and have her jaw broken.
01:22:25.000The aggressive progressives, and these people who you dismissed earlier as fringe nut cases, they have entirely dictated what you're allowed to say on that subject.
01:22:32.000And if you don't say the right thing, from what an analysis is.
01:27:12.000I'm not a big fan of people I care about and love joining the army, going over and killing people overseas, unless it's absolutely necessary, of course.
01:27:19.000But I'm a big fan of, I think a lot of people would benefit from fucking boot camp.
01:27:25.000I think there's a lot of people who are not.
01:29:32.000I mean, like, if she's been in and she's been mopping and whatever, and she's left, and like two hours later and I come home, I know she's been there.
01:30:30.000There was a University of Rome, I believe, did a study on homosexuality, and they had a theory that the reason why people became gay was a variation on the X chromosome.
01:30:42.000And so there was a disproportionate amount of homosexual men that were birthed from women that were promiscuous.
01:31:40.000No, so I started to bring home black guys instead, and that she was upset about.
01:31:48.000No, I think it was just that she was just coming down and there were just these black guys with cocaine and pills out on the breakfast table at the same time.
01:35:28.000The technically correct way to describe his or her accomplishments as an athlete, the technically correct way to do it is to use the new name and the new pronoun.
01:35:39.000But obviously she won the men's whatever.
01:35:41.000I don't even know what's kind of sportsman's.
01:35:42.000You know, one of the guys he competed in the Olympics with believes that this whole transition to him becoming a woman had to do with taking steroids for the Olympics.
01:35:53.000I think after he got off the steroids.
01:37:19.000Right, this is where you were going to go, isn't it?
01:37:22.000There's something that feminists always say about transgender, particularly the male-to-female transgenders, why do they always choose such classically feminine looks?
01:37:30.000Why don't they become what we want, which is a sort of genderless, fat, blue-haired, armpit hell brigade?
01:37:36.000Like, if you're going to go trans, what they want is you become genderqueer.
01:37:40.000They want you to become, you know, some sort of ludicrous, asexual disaster of a human being.
01:37:50.000Men who become women become women, like very stereotypically women.
01:37:53.000And this is interesting because this is a sort of physical manifestation of a psychological problem for feminism, and it is this.
01:38:01.000If you accept that people can be born with the wrong brain, that a man can be born with a woman's brain, or a woman could be born with a man's brain, that goes a long way to destroying 40 years of gender politics and gender theory, which says that all sexuality and all gender is socially constructed.
01:38:16.000Then that's why men behave like men do and women behave like women do.
01:38:20.000If you accept and you put on the cover of Time magazine or Vanity Fair a person who has had the wrong brain in the wrong body and when they transition they take on new characteristics, new forms of behaviour and all the rest of it, you are admitting that some of these qualities are innate, are biological, that there is such a thing as a male brain and a female brain.
01:38:39.000This is something that feminists have been denying for decades and it is incredibly damaging to the feminist project, to the idea that everything is because when they want to break down the gaps between men and women, they want to make girls play with action man and boys.
01:38:52.000They want to rise boys up as princesses.
01:38:54.000What they're suggesting is that all gender is taught, that it's a social construct, that we teach boys how to be boys.
01:39:00.000So we should teach boys to be nice instead of violent.
01:39:06.000What transgenderism demonstrates quite clearly, if we accept it as face value, as progressives have asked us to, is that there is indeed such a thing as a male brain, and there is indeed such a thing as a female brain.
01:39:15.000That being the case, ordinary people have them too.
01:39:18.000And that explains why, for example, there aren't as many women in STEM subjects.
01:39:21.000It explains why men have certain behavioural characteristics.
01:39:23.000And all of this stuff that feminists have been telling us is just society and patriarchy and conditioning.
01:39:36.000The reason that some people on the quiet are quite enthusiastic, on the political right are quite enthusiastic about the transgender thing, is they know it unravels the feminist project and it unravels two generations of crazy progressive feminism in one fell swoop because it demonstrates, by their own admission, what total bollocks the idea of constructed gender is.
01:39:56.000Well, it certainly is fascinating when you watch people being celebrated for traditional feminine appearances.
01:40:38.000These people who say that transgender women are not women because they haven't had a woman's lived experience.
01:40:43.000In fact, all they're doing is acquiring the victimhood mantle by which they sort of admit the whole jig, you know, in the courts of this.
01:40:49.000In order to be a turf, you have to sort of admit that there's such a thing as female privilege.
01:40:53.000And what they're basically saying is, as a transgender person, you can never acquire the full degree of female privilege because you can't claim your oppressed victimhood status and get special dispensation.
01:41:02.000You can't do any of those things because you're not a real woman.
01:41:30.000And my point in this was that if the last 10 years have been about setting men against women, and fine, you think men should just man the fuck up, and I know you're entitled to that view.
01:41:39.000I take a slightly more compassionate view of this stuff.
01:41:43.000If you believe that the last 10 years, I think most people do, the Progressive Project has been to set women against men, the next 10 years is going to be even worse.
01:41:49.000The next 10 years is going to set sexuality against sexuality, race against race, gender against gender.
01:41:53.000So you're going to get Hispanics versus blacks in America.
01:41:56.000Hispanics, for example, that's interesting because Hispanics don't have the guilt about slavery that white people do.
01:42:02.000So when Hispanics are running cities like Baltimore, the policing is going to be brutal.
01:42:37.000You can support black people, as indeed I do, with my body, in many cases, and nonetheless not think that Black Lives Matter is the best thing for black people.
01:43:16.000So anyway, he comes back after all this reporting and says, oh, well, the man, they're right about everything, except the man on my birth certificate is not my real dad.
01:44:16.000Now we're in a situation where Sean King has pronounced Sean King innocent, but you're not allowed to ask any more questions, and you've just got to take his word for it.
01:44:38.000You have no validity to speak on those issues.
01:44:39.000Like, a man has no right to speak about feminism.
01:44:42.000You know, this is why it's so damaging to Black Lives Matter, the fact that all of their figureheads seem to end up either being lunatics or being white.
01:44:49.000What is wrong with this movement that no authentically black people seem to be able to lead it?
01:44:56.000Yes, there's something wrong with this.
01:44:57.000What about what's wrong with that D-Ray dude?
01:47:52.000Do you like hanging out with gay people?
01:47:54.000All of their fucking tutus and Madonna.
01:47:56.000Like, okay, look, I have my moments with Mariah Carey.
01:48:01.000But no, the way they behave, the music they listen to, how they dress, how they speak, and worst of all, which really fucking annoys me, it drives me absolutely crazy, the way in which gay people have now become such bullies.
01:48:11.000They're using all the tools against other people, Christians, the bakeries, all that kind of shit that used to be used against them.
01:48:17.000Gay people have become the worst kind of sanctimonious bullies.
01:48:20.000And it makes me ashamed to be homosexual.
01:48:22.000When I see the way that they bully other minorities, the way they bully religious minorities, and I think 50 years ago, this was gays.
01:48:28.000When I see the way that gay people behave, when I see that couple, that gay couple who went to Memory's Pizza, Memories Pizza, if you'll remember, was the Christian baker who said, you know, probably wouldn't, we'd rather not K to your wedding if that's okay.
01:48:38.000Huge media outrage because some idiot troublemaker on the left had gone basically gone outrage shopping, called up everybody in Indiana and said, will you K to, will you K to, will you K to?
01:48:47.000Finally found somebody who said, I'd prefer not to.
01:51:28.000And they go to Memories Pizza, and they pick up pizza, and they start parading around on stage how they got Memories Pizza at their wedding, those nasty Christians who don't want to cater gays.
01:51:36.000And I thought to myself, and then they sort of sent these pictures to the press or whatever, and I thought to myself, what a nasty, vindictive, bitter, soulless way to treat your own wedding or your vow renewal or whatever.
01:51:47.000You turn it into this triumphalist, bitter public political stunt.
01:51:52.000And I thought it was so cheap and so classless.
01:51:55.000And it represented everything that's wrong with the gay establishment today.
01:51:58.000And it was just, I just saw that and I thought, God, I hope people don't think that about me when they know I'm gay, you know?
01:53:03.000I think what's happening is you get a bunch of people who are unhappy that know that they can have an impact by doing a something, and they know they have a green line.
01:53:11.000Well, they're obviously unhappy, although I wouldn't behave like this, but what I do And the gay something is we can protest in this fashion and we will get a pop.
01:53:20.000But they've been given carte blanche to go after religious minorities because the media establishment and politicians and all the rest of it continually give the signals.
01:53:47.000She's these days the example of a conscientious objector.
01:53:51.000She's an example of somebody sticking out for their beliefs or their political opinions or their life choices or their faith or whatever in the face of the law, in the face of public opinion, and in the face of received wisdom, the consensus, all the rest of it.
01:54:05.000She is doing what gay rights campaigners were doing 50 years ago, and I think it's very telling.
01:54:10.000Now gay people are molly-coddled and protected.
01:54:15.000The way that now they can turn around and bully religious minorities solely to feel better about themselves in this horrible, bitter way that they do.
01:54:23.000And lesbians are the worst, by the way.
01:54:26.000The way they now do that to people who have faith, to religious people, makes me feel slightly ill.
01:57:49.000It's fucking searching the atheist art scene.
01:57:50.000No, but I mean, like, you know, what I mean is, you know, if you want to look at the atheist art scene, look at almost all the good movies ever made.
01:57:58.000Look at almost all the great albums ever made.
01:58:01.000Look at almost all the great comedians that have ever told jokes about.
01:58:04.000Compare Hollywood to St. Peter's Brazil.
01:58:08.000Hollywood to the Blue Moss for the comics.
01:58:10.000Like, if you believe comedians contribute to the same total human civilization and knowledge in the way that Michelangelo did, venters.
02:01:26.000Even if you take the view, let's say Ludwig Feubach, right?
02:01:28.000Even if you take the Feubachian view and say, I don't believe in what any of these religions say, but if we look at what they have in common and what that says about the human spirit, what we aspire to, what we consider most important.
02:01:41.000So for example, Christianity, we might consider self-sacrifice and love the most important things because self-sacrifice and love are the two central instincts that run the red threads that run through the Christian canon, run through Christian literature, run through Christian history.
02:01:53.000If that was the voyage, is this, okay, I don't believe in this stuff, but this is an essential human artifact of human culture and history because it teaches us more about ourselves than anything else.
02:02:06.000It teaches us over centuries as it has evolved to teach us what we find most important.
02:02:11.000And different religions in different places are fascinating because they illustrate the different emphases on those core values of love and charity and self-sacrifice that different societies place on things.
02:02:22.000Now, I'm not asking you to believe that when you take Holy Communion, you are ingesting the body and blood of Christ.
02:02:31.000But what I am suggesting is you shouldn't be such a dismissive asshole about such an integral, rich, beautiful, and crucial part of human history that teaches us so much about who we are.
02:02:43.000Okay, first of all, this is a disingenuous argument.
02:02:48.000Because you were mocking me about making fun of things that are absolutely preposterous.
02:02:51.000Like coming back from the dead, healing people, turning wine.
02:02:55.000No, what I'm saying is, even if you only believe their stories, these are the most important stories that the Western tradition, the Western tradition.
02:03:03.000The most important stories that have ever been told.
02:03:05.000Even if you believe that, they say something deep and profound about who we are and about what we care about most, about our anxieties, about our beliefs, and about our sympathies, the way we relate to one another, the way that we talk about it.
02:03:24.000I'm presenting one reason why you should be less flippant and dismissive about religion, because you are too smart to be that much of a cut about religion.
02:03:32.000I'm flippant and dismissive about it because I can't believe it's still here.
02:03:52.000The reality is we're talking about myths, and we're talking about people that believe those myths so much that they won't let people get married because it goes against their myths.
02:04:02.000I'm saying you can disagree with them.
02:04:54.000Most of our laws are based on religious prescription when you get down to it.
02:04:57.000Most of the way society is mostly the whole society is based on what's ultimately religious prescription.
02:05:03.000My point is simply and only that if you're going to be a flippant asshole, at least acknowledge that, first of all, half the population does take this stuff seriously.
02:05:12.000And second of all, this is important stuff that tells us about who we are.
02:05:16.000And I think it's beneath you to be so flippant about it.
02:05:18.000I'm flippant about feminism because feminism is not important stuff that tells us about who we are today.
02:05:23.000It's very flippant and cruel and vindictive and spiteful and horrible about crazy feminists because they're crazy and because what they do is ridiculous.
02:05:31.000I don't think, whether or not you're an atheist, that religion is ridiculous.
02:05:34.000And I think it deserves a bit more respect.
02:08:20.000Do you think the only way that a person could have ethics and morals and treat each other?
02:08:24.000No, I didn't say the only way to do that.
02:08:24.000Don't you think that people understand what's good and what's that?
02:08:28.000Listen, if we're going to have a conversation, we can't keep talking over each other like this.
02:08:31.000When someone's trying to make a point about something that's complex like this, if you think that the only way for a person to have ethics or an understanding of each other or compassion for each other is to rely on ancient myths that are easily scientifically disproven.
02:08:48.000I said that the specific set of values that you have is influenced more than you would like to admit by your Judeo-Christian human rights.
02:08:56.000It's influenced by the things that I think all of us have.
02:08:59.000I mean, look, I think that some of what we would call morality obviously comes from natural revulsion, which is more like biological, right?
02:09:06.000This is some of the prescriptions against, perhaps against murder, perhaps against child abuse, that kind of stuff, right?
02:09:10.000That comes from a sort of natural revulsion.
02:09:12.000And it may be an evolutionary biological imperative.
02:09:14.000There are certain things that we just know we shouldn't do, right?
02:09:18.000Like the smell of rotten food, or stuff like that.
02:09:21.000But there are other things that definitely come from the Judeo-Christian tradition that has defined most of what we consider to be right and wrong in the West.
02:09:30.000And I think our society is the better for it.
02:09:32.000And I think that our society is better than elsewhere in the world.
02:09:35.000But you're yourself and your lifestyle is proof positive that this is the evolution of what this used to be and what it is now.
02:09:43.000So generally speaking, I'm an outlier because, I mean, as you all know, gay people generally test higher for IQ than the rest of the population.
02:09:50.000And lots of evolutionary biologists will suggest that people with high IQs tend to engage in dissident Or unusual habits and practices in general, because that's where Mother Nature does her experimentations, where she tests the limits of the species.
02:10:10.000So people with very high IQ are more likely to be homosexual, goes the evolutionary biology argument, because it's in those very smart people that the sort of transgressive dissident stuff is tried out by Mother Nature.
02:10:24.000So I would say I'm probably an outlier there as a very smart homosexual.
02:10:28.000You know, I'm not typical of sort of mains, of the kind of bulk of the species.
02:14:52.000From a Christian perspective, it could be a test.
02:14:53.000From the evolutionary perspective, it could be natural variation.
02:14:57.000From the Christian perspective, it could be some Christians believe that you get these things in life as tests, and they don't judge the sinner, they judge the sin.
02:15:04.000And what they mean by that is you can be gay, but if you act on it, that's when you become a sinner.
02:16:10.000The gay lobby in the 1980s was worried because religious people were saying that the gay lifestyle was a sinful choice.
02:16:17.000So they came up with this thing in the gay gene and it is an invention of the gay lobby designed to get around religious bigots.
02:16:23.000It's designed to wrong foot the religious right and suggest that people's sexuality has no, There's no element of choice in people's sexuality.
02:16:33.000Born this way, you're hearing Lady Gaga song, and we take it as granted as you obviously have.
02:16:37.000I had no idea that song was even real until you just said that.
02:20:29.000But isn't it a true story with some of them?
02:20:32.000Well, like, nobody that's holding the signs, because most of the ones holding the signs, the militant homosexuals, are the ones that chose to be gay to get at people.
02:23:48.000Well, this is as Steve Jobs says, you know, he's visions of divine inspiration on LSD, which has enabled him to.
02:23:53.000LSD is very different than dimethyltryptamine, though.
02:23:55.000Dimethyltryptamine is a visionary hallucinogen, extremely powerful one.
02:24:00.000That's what ayahuasca, that's the active ingredient in ayahuasca.
02:24:05.000The idea is that that's what Moses was doing.
02:24:07.000That that's why the burning bush, the literal translation of what that is, is smoking DMT.
02:24:14.000He's getting a DMT trip, and that's why God is giving him these ideas about how people should behave and what is divine, to be kind to each other, to not murder.
02:24:25.000I don't have a view on that, but I suppose it does sound like the product of somebody on a nice trip.
02:25:06.000Well, you know, John Marco Allegro, the guy who was one of the head scholars that was deciphering the Dead Sea Scrolls, after 14 years of studying, he was an ordained minister, but he was also agnostic because he started studying religion and realized it was all bullshit.
02:25:19.000But he wrote a book called The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross.
02:25:24.000He believes that the entire origins of Christianity was based around fertility rituals and the consumption of psychedelic mushrooms.
02:25:43.000He actually traced back the word Christ to an ancient Sumerian word that meant a mushroom covered in God's semen.
02:25:50.000I mean these psychedelic mushrooms that grew out of nowhere, they thought that when it rained, it was God coming on the earth.
02:25:57.000And that these mushrooms that would come up and then they would eat them and have these great trips, they thought they were experiencing God.
02:26:02.000I mean, you can generate quite a few extraordinary theories with etymology because so many words sound like so many other words.
02:26:11.000So it sounds like an interesting thought experiment and a nice social studies paper, but I'm not sure I quite buy it as experts.
02:26:18.000But if you do look into it, you've got to assume that fascinating, spectacular psychedelic experiences would be interpreted by the people who had no science, no books, no knowledge of what's going on with the human neurochemistry as being something that was divine.
02:31:15.000I'm here in my country and you've never seen a 15-year-old girl at any point in your life, however old you were, you've never seen a 15-year-old girl you thought was hot.
02:34:14.000And you see, this is the thing, you see, progressives are starting to police homosexuals' language.
02:34:19.000You know, I've got this theory, right?
02:34:21.000I believe that pedophilia is the next progressive rehabilitation drive.
02:34:26.000But I also think that straight, sorry, that homosexual white guys are going to be put back into the establishment bucket very soon.
02:34:35.000If you look at some of the whining editorials coming out, like The Daily Beast, there's female columnists on The Daily Beast who will publish things about, say, on your Grinder profile, this app that you use to pick up guys nearby, which is basically just a sea of torsos and you just pick who you want to get the fucked by.
02:35:10.000But of course, you know, some progressive columnist has finally, like, five years later, has cottoned onto this and decided to make a thing about it and say, it's problematic that gay people express racial preferences when dating.
02:35:21.000The OKCupid data actually shows us which races and which genders come out on top and come out the bottom.
02:35:27.000So like Asian women do very well, black women do very badly, and the sort of league tables of hotness of men and women.
02:35:35.000Anyway, so they're starting to police the language now and police the sexuality of homosexuals.
02:35:41.000I mean, there was me thinking we were sliding dangerously close to tolerance and understanding, and now progressives are starting to police the sexuality of homosexuals again.
02:35:50.000Don't you think there's a game of gotcha, though?
02:37:16.000Sorry, of white gay men on the basis that they have almost like the ultimate male privilege.
02:37:24.000They are smarter and richer and better looking and sassier and all the things that feminists hate because feminists are none of those things because feminists are disproportionately poor and ugly and unlovable.
02:37:35.000Feminists are disproportionately poor?
02:39:30.000No, but with the stuff with his daughter at the beginning, when the mom's moving into the house with the new guy, the bastard who runs away.
02:41:11.000And man, there's very few people I've ever had on the podcast that brought so much hate with them.
02:41:16.000But he is a biologist at the University of California, Berkeley, a tenured fucking professor up there who believed that HIV did not cause AIDS and that what HIV was was a weak virus that only existed in the bodies of people that already had compromised immune systems.
02:41:36.000And he said the correlation between partying and party drugs, crystal methadrine, and all this different shit that you're going to be able to do is to do it.
02:41:43.000This is what drives you into the AIDS.
02:41:45.000And this is what crushes your immune system.
02:41:49.000We have this extraordinary reverence for science.
02:41:52.000And of course we do, rightly so, because it's what tells us mostly about how the world works, apart from obviously from the transcendental bits that actually matter.
02:41:59.000But it tells us so much about how the world functions, like what's going to happen if I do that.
02:44:07.000I mean, I know very, very, very little of this, so I'm just going to take this at face value and just debate you.
02:44:13.000Not even debate you, just ask you questions.
02:44:16.000Do you think that what is happening is that an industry has been created?
02:44:22.000That certainly is true that there is an industry.
02:44:24.000I'm not going to suggest that the whole climate change establishment is a result of some people rent-seeking, although there is some of that going on.
02:44:30.000But there is definitely a climate change industry.
02:45:07.000But if you didn't say that you don't believe in climate change, a lot of times people throw in the same sort of extreme whack of the people.
02:45:13.000Well, I don't care what they lump me in with.
02:45:15.000I care about facts not being, you know, not whether somebody lumps me in with the wrong group of people.
02:45:50.000You say that if you're a gay person with these opinions, you must either have some psychological problem and get that you need therapy, or you hate yourself and you're self-loathing because of your religious upbringing, all the rest of it.
02:46:00.000You don't allow that person the dignity of having opinions that don't correspond with their sexuality.
02:46:05.000That, I think, is cheap, and it ignores the messy and complicated reality of human sexuality and who people are.
02:46:10.000I don't care if somebody thinks that I'm a self-loathing homosexual.
02:46:14.000What I care about is telling the truth that other people seem to be reluctant to do.
02:46:17.000Gay people, the gay establishment certainly doesn't tell the truth about a lot of things.
02:46:21.000They don't tell the truth about Born This Way.
02:46:24.000They get very upset when you dare to tell.
02:46:26.000I wrote this column, like, you know, gay people, if you want to start donating blood, because most gay people are banned from donating blood, you know, or at least it's very difficult in the UK and I think the US too.
02:46:37.000And I wrote this column, so gay people are complaining that they're not allowed to donate blood, and they say that it's evidence of homophobia or whatever.
02:46:43.000I said, if you want to be able to donate blood, stop being sluts.
02:46:48.000The reason the NHS doesn't let you donate blood is because gay blood is so disproportionately more likely to have diseases in it.
02:46:53.000if you want to be allowed to donate blood, stop sleeping around.
02:47:39.000And in any case, I don't really mind too much because I think ordinary people, I think many of your fans and certainly mine, are a bit tired of having labels applied to them by other people.
02:47:51.000I think people are a bit tired of being told what they are, told they're bigoted, told they're misogynistic, told that there is something else wrong with them or that they have the wrong opinions about things.
02:48:00.000I think people are a bit sick of that, actually.
02:48:33.000I think that 97% of climate scientists agreeing on climate change is in the same category of immortal myth that the campus rape culture statistic is.
02:48:43.000It's one of those sort of unquestioned, it's become a fact meme, you know?
02:48:50.000It's one of those things that's uncritically reported.
02:48:51.000And it's been repeated so many times that people don't even feel the need to ask for a citation anymore.
02:48:56.000So for example, when you hear the stuff about the rape statistics or the pay gap, people take it, it's such an established part of accepted statistic now.
02:49:05.000People have stopped bothering to ask for evidence to justify it.
02:49:09.000I don't think it was ever true, the 97%.
02:49:11.000Well, you would know probably better than a lot because you were actually there on the front lines and you watched people actually fuck with evidence and omit things and add things.
02:49:24.000Well, what was the when you were there and this was all going on, like what was the philosophy behind it?
02:49:43.000I understand how that conversational moment comes to happen.
02:49:48.000But all I can tell you is that it was climate change for me as an observer, for the scientists concerned, it was primarily a political project.
02:49:57.000It was a lot to do with the sort of UN global guilt about poverty and the third world.
02:50:02.000Climate change was this issue that was going to fix everything, right?
02:50:04.000It was going to fix poverty in the third world.
02:50:07.000It finally addressed the sort of white guilt they all feel and gave them all a real reason to feel bad about being who they are.
02:50:13.000It gave them that sort of terrible, you know, it gave them the justification to beat up on capitalism, which they all hate.
02:50:21.000It gave them the justification to beat up on the Western way of life.
02:50:24.000And James Denningpole, my Breitbart colleague, wrote a book about watermelons, green on the outside, red on the inside.
02:50:29.000And his point was that his thesis is that dressed up in the language of environmentalism and climate change concern is actually just socialism, anti-capitalism, and sort of this weird anarchic desire to see the developed world burn on the part of very politicized scientists.
02:50:48.000And I have to say, based on what I saw, he's right.
02:50:51.000Well, it still seems like it's a very high number when they're breaking down.
02:50:56.000There's a skeptical science article about it.
02:50:58.000They break down the actual number of scientists that do believe that we have something to do with global warming.
02:51:06.000I mean, ultimately, ultimately, the debate is pointless anyway.
02:51:12.000Well, not pointless, but there are millions of articles about climate change on the internet.
02:51:16.000And with one Google search, you can't hope to get anywhere even close to the truth.
02:51:19.000But in any case, it's a good idea to get off fossil fuels simply because it's going to run out.
02:51:25.000It's a question of energy security, not conservation for me.
02:51:27.000I think for many conservatives who agree that we have to find other solutions, whether it's wind or nuclear or something else, right?
02:51:34.000Just drilling and using up all the oil is going to, I mean, it's going to run out eventually, right?
02:51:40.000It's going to run out, so we need a better solution.
02:51:41.000We need something else in the wings that can take over.
02:51:44.000That's not a question of ecology, and that's not a political question either.
02:51:47.000It's just basic energy security, making sure that we all have what we need to survive and that we can all keep our lights on, right?
02:51:54.000So for me, it's not, you know, there is a heavily politicised and I think primarily political and not scientific issue.
02:52:01.000But we should in any case be pursuing renewable energy because one day we're going to have to.
02:52:06.000Even with shale gas, which is going to fixes us for another 100, 200 years or something, it's going to run out eventually.
02:52:12.000And we are going to be around when it does.
02:52:14.000I always find it very disturbing when people bring up this whole fracking thing and they're very dismissive of it.
02:52:19.000That one freaks me out because there's absolute evidence that they've poisoned a lot of wells, that there's areas that people can't live in anymore, that it's leaked into river supplies.
02:56:00.000I wanted to persuade UKIP, which is the closest thing we have to equivalent of the Tea Party.
02:56:05.000I wanted to persuade UKIP in the UK, who were banned from the Pride March, because, of course, the leftist homosexual establishment are nothing if not ruthlessly intolerant of Conservatives.
02:56:14.000It was much more difficult for me to come out as a Tory than it was as a gay person.
02:57:14.000It's like, you know, when someone calls you a sexist or someone calls you a bigot, they'll call you a troll.
02:57:19.000I think what we all do, all four of us, is we say things, we gin up our jokes and our rhetoric and our provocation to get attention and to draw attention perhaps to people who are unnecessarily offended by things that they shouldn't be offended by to idiots.
02:57:35.000But in the course of doing so, we do tell the truth and what we really believe in.
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