On this episode of the podcast, I sit down with John Doe to talk about his new documentary, "The 7-5". John Doe is a former New York City Police Officer who served as a detective in the Brooklyn boroughs of Brooklyn and Queens. He was involved in the drug trade and ran his own drug empire in the late 80s and early 90s. John talks about his time in the NYPD and how he got caught up in all of the craziness that was going on at the time. He also talks about how he was able to get away with some of the most dangerous things he did, and why he feels lucky to be alive. I hope you enjoy this episode and that it makes you think about how lucky you are to be able to be a cop in New York and to have a job that allows you to do the things that you do, and to live your life to the fullest. I hope that you enjoy it and that you re able to relate to it and find some of it relatable and relatable. I know that we can all of us have a lot in common in a way that we all have in common. We are all cops and we are all in this together. We all have to do what we do to make the most of our day to day life and we all need to do our best to live our very best to be the best we can to live up to our best in the best version of who we can. . Thank you to John Doe for coming on the podcast. You are a rockstar cop and I appreciate you for coming out here with us. I love you and appreciate you and your honesty and respect you. I really appreciate you! -John Doe. - The 7 5.5. The 7.5 Podcast - I m proud of you. - Thank you for being a good friend of mine and I m sorry for coming along with me in this journey with me. I m grateful for you and for being here with me on this journey. I m so excited to be here with you and I can t wait to see what you re going through this journey and talking about what you do in this podcast! - John Doe , I hope y'all do it! - I can do it. John John Doe - - I love y all the best, and I really hope y all have a great rest of the next episode.
00:00:33.000I'm embarrassed because I'm looking at people that are supposed to respect law enforcement and it's almost glorifying some of the crazy shit we did.
00:01:01.000Untamed and just the ability to get away with things that no one else could.
00:01:06.000Well, I think we're seeing today with law enforcement, with all the stuff that's going on with all these kids getting shot and all these videos that get taped of police abuse, we're seeing that for the longest time this stuff just wasn't filmed,
00:01:24.000We've all witnessed, I'm sure you more than anybody, but we've all witnessed some cops that were out of control.
00:01:30.000And I think that's just what happens when people have power, and you just kind of, they get a little crazy.
00:01:38.000You know, when you don't have anybody checking that power, and then on top of it, in your situation, there was cocaine, and there was crime, and there was all sorts of craziness.
00:01:49.000I mean, I learned about your documentary from Nick DiPaolo.
00:01:51.000He was on my buddy Ari Shaffir's show, and he was raving about this documentary, and it wasn't even out yet.
00:03:40.000You know, I think it's the Brooklyn, the expressiveness with the body.
00:03:43.000You know, we speak more with our body than our mouth for some reason.
00:03:46.000I don't know, maybe we're short-tongued on the English language, but just the way we, I don't know, be a cop, we always watch your back, you know, so...
00:03:55.000There's a lot of, you know, I don't know how to explain it.
00:04:01.000Now, this, it's a very well done movie, but the subject matter itself, the actual story itself, the facts involved in the story are fucking completely insane.
00:04:10.000I mean, you guys, you were involved in so much craziness.
00:04:30.000In the way I see it, I was a young boy, young man, police officer, convict, inmate.
00:04:37.000I'm a parolee, and now I'm somebody else.
00:04:40.000It's just weird how, you know, like a chameleon, you just change with the environment, and that's how you adapt and overcome anything, is you just have to learn how to live with the environment you're in.
00:04:48.000And it seems like that doesn't seem the same.
00:04:52.000First of all, you know, let's be real.
00:04:53.000I was 23, 24 years old when most of these incidents took place, and then they carried on.
00:05:00.000Detailed the criminality took place later on as I got closer to my 30 year number But you're talking I'm 54 today So my perspective on everything I did and my perspective on the world today is way different than it was back then Yeah, whenever I try to watch a documentary about people doing crazy shit I always imagine myself like what would I do if I was in that situation like how how would I have reacted if I was a young man and I probably would have been right there with you.
00:05:29.000Yeah, you know, it's sad, but you know what's sad about that?
00:05:32.000Is it's people giving the opportunity to do wrong and they can get away with it.
00:05:37.000You have to ask yourself this question.
00:05:39.000If I could take that 200,000 large right now, just, you know, plain out question, and never have any negative consequences happen to me.
00:05:47.000Now, I'm not saying because you broke the moral code of policing and all that shit.
00:05:50.000I'm just saying, just be a normal human being.
00:06:39.000Yeah, and also, it's interesting because you're constantly around people that are making insane amounts of money, and they're doing it by breaking the law.
00:07:21.000I mean, the actions and all that, yes.
00:07:22.000But somebody approached me from Hollywood, wanted to do a documentary about this commission called the Marlin Commission.
00:07:28.000I told them it's a piece of shit deal.
00:07:30.000Do a story about the boys from the 75, and I think you'll have a good movie.
00:07:33.000So what was the original thing they wanted to come to you about?
00:07:37.000I was the main focus, which is a thread throughout the documentary, is that there was these hearings called the Mullen Commission, which if people know history, they can go back to the Knapp Commission when Persico, Persico, Serpico.
00:07:50.000Persico is a guy that did time with, from the Colombo family.
00:07:54.000So Serpico was a cop who got shot in the face in the movie Serpico.
00:07:59.000And in fact, he actually commented on this documentary to Tila Russell, the director.
00:08:06.000I don't know, it's 2 in the morning, because you guys out here don't know a fucking time.
00:08:09.000It's 2 in the morning, my text message goes off, because it's 10.30 at night or 11 o'clock at night for him.
00:08:14.000I just got a phone call from Serpico saying it's the best movie he's ever seen in his fucking life.
00:08:19.000You know, and I'm like, fuck Serpico, because I really don't like Serpico, to be honest with you, because he said some nasty things about me, one.
00:09:13.000They wanted him to take the money, and he wouldn't take the money.
00:09:17.000He was intransigent about it, and someone shot him in the face.
00:09:21.000And I've been in the building half a dozen times in 9-0 Precinct.
00:09:24.000They actually shot another movie there by one of the other actors I can't think of.
00:09:29.000Well, what's interesting is your partner, when you were your partner in this film, turned you in, but he was involved in a lot of it with you, and he never wound up doing any time.
00:11:24.000Anyway, the crack epidemic caused the city to go broke in many ways because you'd have police officers arresting people for minor drug offenses that were, you know, it was crime, you know, and cops are supposed to arrest people for crime.
00:11:38.000So what happened was it would cost so much to process an arrest That they would sort of discourage you.
00:11:43.000And by that, they wouldn't say, don't do that.
00:12:44.000And that was 84.5, slash 5. Yeah, I remember hearing about it, because I was in high school at the time, and people started talking about crack.
00:12:55.000Like, you would hear it in the news, crack epidemic, and then this violence and crime epidemic.
00:13:00.000Well, you heard about it because Len Bias...
00:13:05.000He was the basketball player that was drafted by the Celtics, and he never played a day.
00:13:10.000Because after he got drafted, they gave him this big signing contract and everything, he went out and partied, did some crack, had a bad heart on top of it, and killed himself.
00:13:18.000So Ted Kennedy put these laws in place which put half the urban kids in federal prison for fucking life sentences, which now Obama's rightfully, in many cases, rightfully undoing, and that's a big political issue that we might not want to get into.
00:14:22.000Most of us were good guys from hardworking families, cops, firemen, blue-collar people, sanitation workers, bus drivers, plumbers, electricians, and you became a cop.
00:14:31.000You thought you were still in the same You were the ones that equated to Beirut.
00:14:52.000The problem was when people start complaining and make noise, then it brings attention.
00:14:56.000So when you're there, before this is happening, how much different was the environment that you were policing before crack and after crack?
00:15:08.000It was like a fucking tornado came in and ripped the fucking community right apart.
00:15:11.000Now, don't get me wrong, it was, you know, urban ghetto that survived the 60s and the turmoil and all that stuff, and you had your racial breakdowns within communities, but...
00:15:24.000I got there in, I want to say 83, I'm old now, so I got there in 83, 84, so I was there about a year and a half, and it was getting crazy because Coke was expensive.
00:15:36.000Coke was $50,000 a key, so it was tough for the inner city community to have it, but it was around.
00:15:44.000And then when it dropped down to like $15,000, $20,000, $14,000 a kilo because of crack and the volume of, I guess, whoever was bringing it in, you know, there's many theories on who was helping bring it in back then.
00:16:51.000I hope that's what they take from this.
00:16:53.000Because you got a lot of cop fans and shit like that, and they respect you and the martial arts guys, you know.
00:16:57.000Most of them are really good guys, but they get it.
00:16:59.000It's the ones who get what I'm talking about that will appreciate this conversation you and I have.
00:17:03.000Well, I think if you're a cop in Orange County and you're a police officer in Irvine, you're dealing with a little bullshit here and there, you gotta kinda know there's a big fucking difference between that and East New York in the 1980s during the crack epidemic.
00:18:43.000I think Rob Sia, who's an ex-New York City cop, who's done a couple bestsellers, he might be the right one to put the whole thing together with me.
00:20:14.000And in the back of his trunk of his car, the trunk is wide open in the back, and he's got this joker poker machine in the back of his car, the patrol car.
00:23:02.000Well, it seems like it was just, there was a lot of excitement.
00:23:05.000Like, doing all that, like, the driving around the block store was my favorite because you were driving around the block for like an hour and a half.
00:23:37.000So I didn't want to lose sight of the house in case...
00:23:39.000Well, for people who haven't seen the documentary, what was going on?
00:23:43.000Well, there was a burglary call at the house, so we responded as patrol people, and we checked out the place, and inside there was two young girls who were sitting there on the floor in this home with the door knob broken off.
00:23:55.000And they said that they were given permission by the owner of the home to spend the afternoon or day here in her home.
00:24:01.000I asked her, well, where did the owner happen to be since you broke the door knob to get in?
00:24:14.000So I turned left hard and there's a box of fucking shoes, piles of box of shoes.
00:24:18.000If anyone knows anything about the drug business, they spend a lot of money on their personal shoes because what else are you going to spend money on, you know?
00:25:11.000You can't run out of a building with a bag filled with money and have the cops see you because they're going to say, where'd the bag go, right?
00:25:19.000So my enemy was the cops at this point.
00:25:21.000So I found a way to circle a house for an hour and a half in every possible direction you could.
00:25:26.000And then Chickie finally pulled up with another guy that was retired from the job.
00:25:30.000They walked in with their dupe badges on and the landlord lets them in and Yeah, up there.
00:25:36.000They just left that apartment right up there.
00:25:39.000When he went in, he'd come out with a bag, and about a minute later, I pulled him over.
00:26:09.000And, hey boss, yeah, my wife needs me at home right now, you know, one of the kids broke a toe, whatever, whatever excuse you can come up with.
00:26:15.000Okay, no problem, come in, you can take lost time, it's called lost time.
00:26:20.000So I told a girl in the car I was working with, who was an IED plant, by the way.
00:26:24.000She was an internal affairs plant sitting with me the whole time.
00:27:09.000Very good job they did of hiding the plant.
00:27:13.000In fact, I had a beer with her two days before.
00:27:15.000But it seemed like all this stuff that you were doing, all these criminals that you were dealing with, like the heightened sort of environment that you were in must have been very addictive because there was just so much going on.
00:28:30.000When you were testifying in that film, that was one of the more intense parts of that movie because you were just 100% open, 100% honest about it.
00:29:11.000It seemed almost for you at the time, like when I was watching it, like you were just so overwhelmed with the pressure of everything that it was almost a relief to get everything off your back.
00:29:22.000When they locked me up, if I tell you how the arrest went down, it's insane.
00:29:26.000But anyway, when they finally put me in the car and tell me I'm under arrest, it was like, now I can go to sleep.
00:30:00.000She slept like a baby, and I had roaches crawling in my ears, but yeah, that's okay.
00:30:05.000How much of what was going on did she know about?
00:30:08.000She only knew that I was doing wrong for the most part, and she knew there were drugs involved, but she never touched it, got involved in it.
00:33:23.000I'm driving home from the beach, and I see this car parked on 111 right across from the cleaners, which is known for having a crack spot above it.
00:35:30.000So now I'm sucking sand out of the bottom of my rug and trying to stay alive and crawling into the back room where my son and my wife are sleeping.
00:35:43.000He knows where I live and he's got to be a cop.
00:35:45.000I don't know that until that moment, I realized, because no one has my number, and cops can get each other's number by calling the precinct.
00:35:51.000I want to get in touch with so-and-so.
00:35:53.000I want to get in touch with so-and-so.
00:35:54.000And we have private numbers in a log at the precinct that you can get my number at if you need to speak to me.
00:35:59.000Turns out that he was already arrested.
00:36:01.000He was out on bail when he's doing this to me.
00:36:04.000So it was the same guy, the gold chain guy.
00:37:14.000But the fact is, they wouldn't work with me because they were afraid I was going to turn them in.
00:37:17.000And if you hear in the documentary, he says, well, Kenny says, the only thing you turn me in for is having a beer.
00:37:22.000He mentions that Mike and I had a bee together and I could just walk away from this partnership and they put us on the farm together, which I went to the farm three times, so I'm pretty good with the farm too.
00:39:38.000When I came back to the 7-5, no one wanted to work with me.
00:39:41.000In fact, one of my first days back, I hook up with Walter, who's a rookie kid, didn't know anything except that he liked to make arrests and get involved and shit.
00:39:48.000And then I'm like, dude, you don't know who I am.
00:39:50.000I just want nothing to do with this stuff.
00:39:56.000He's like, yeah, I'll make the arrest.
00:40:12.000I'd call for the sergeant to give us a scratch so we can be done for the day.
00:40:16.000Scratch means the sergeant comes by and gives you a notification that you're on where you're supposed to be.
00:40:21.000I'm asking the sergeant to give us a scratch just by calling something over the air, not asking for the scratch, because that would be inappropriate.
00:40:26.000But I would call in a car, license plate, and the sergeant shows up, gives us a scratch.
00:42:51.000It's in the development process right now, but if you check out the label, you really can't see it well, but there's a picture of him with the unibrow.
00:42:57.000Did you see the movie here with him with the unibrow?
00:47:45.000Well, he texts me all the time, and he goes, instead of going, ha, ha, ha, he goes, J-I, J-I, J-I. J-A, J-A, yeah, they do that all the time.
00:49:31.000And so she goes, I go, listen, I'm going to the Dominican Republic, and I'm going with this woman I'm seeing at the time, who was a police officer, a sweetheart girl, anyway.
00:49:41.000And I go, would you go with me instead?
00:56:08.000I got luggage, like real luggage, you know?
00:56:10.000These people have stamps on the side, yayo, on the fucking side of their boxes coming in, right?
00:56:16.000Women have their thighs cut open so they can stuff packages of fucking coke in their thighs, right?
00:56:21.000But I'm coming in with my little bag and my little guinea tea, whatever the fuck I'm wearing, coming from Dominica, and I'm getting strip searched in the airport.
00:56:29.000So I'm looking around and I'm saying, this is fucking some setup.
00:58:57.000Do you realize now, like, we're looking back on it, like, Jesus fucking Christ, like, I came really close.
00:59:03.000Well, the more serious affront that I faced was that guy Cello that's mentioned in the documentary.
00:59:09.000And why I say that is not because at any moment something could have gone wrong in any deal, you know?
00:59:14.000Because at some point I began purchasing the coke from these guys because they couldn't constantly front your fucking kilos because they loved you, you know?
00:59:20.000And I could no longer provide them protection because they took my guns and badge away.
01:00:10.000He's got to go about, I don't know, 50 feet this way, open a locker, put a lock on it, take my gun and my badge and give it back to me.
01:00:18.000So I'm sort of like doing a neck twist and curl, and it says...
01:00:23.000Four or five separate allegations for selling narcotics out of a red Corvette.
01:00:28.000And this guy's giving me back my gun and badge.
01:00:31.000I'm like, this is fucking unbelievable.
01:00:34.000This is the first time I ever saw officially in writing what they had me under investigation for.
01:00:39.000There's 19 different fucking listed investigations, but four specifically at one period of time from, like, 86, 87, 88, specifically laid out week after week what they were looking for me for.
01:00:50.000I'm like, and it's from a red Corvette, so I knew exactly what time that was.
01:00:53.000I only had the red Corvette for a short period as well.
01:00:57.000So I'm like, I can't believe they're giving my shit back.
01:00:59.000I mean, this is, this is, now I know, I'm scared.
01:01:02.000I don't, now, you know, what do you do?
01:01:04.000Do you think that they were giving you shit back so that you could keep doing what you were doing to catch you on more shit?
01:01:27.000We're just talking about it right now.
01:01:29.000Do you know that, what was it, Tamir Rice, is that the kid's name, the 12-year-old kid that got shot?
01:01:34.000They decided that it was okay, that there was nothing wrong, the investigation showed there was nothing wrong with the way the officer acted.
01:01:42.000Got out of his car within two seconds, shot this 12-year-old kid who had a gun, fake gun, toy gun.
01:01:49.000Joe, a lot of these things that you mentioned, I don't know all the facts on.
01:01:53.000I'm not here to bash what cops do, because what they do is an impossible job, right?
01:01:58.000The problem is that everybody makes mistakes, and when you're a cop and you make a mistake, it can cost somebody their life.
01:06:22.000They made a recent decision that police officers in Hawaii are allowed to have sex with prostitutes on the job as a part of an ongoing investigation.
01:06:31.000Well, because they can't get enough on their own?
01:08:17.000Now, what pisses me off is, here's a guy, he doesn't realize what he just did to a guy who was eating in my house a couple weeks ago.
01:08:25.000And now he doesn't realize that instead of just doing our time together, like just take the...
01:08:29.000Let me backtrack a little bit, and we'll try to remember that, where we were.
01:08:33.000When we were out on bail, Kenny had some options, as I did, to either Cooperate with the government and give everything up and just go on and do your married little bid in your life, whatever.
01:19:03.000I'm at a premiere, and I see these guys come walking up, and they look fucking, they look a little haggard, you know?
01:19:08.000And they're looking at me with that, like, cheapest, like, look, and like, you know, I'm like a semi-star of the thing, so I gotta look all proper and everything, and looking, you know, all ever-dite.
01:19:20.000And up comes these guys, they look like they're from the street, you know?
01:19:23.000So they got their hats on sideways, half their teeth are missing, and the guy sticks his hand out and he goes, Mike, I go, yeah, who are you?
01:19:29.000He goes, I used to hang out on Picking in fucking, Picking in Norwood or Picking in, not Norwood because Norwood doesn't mean it, but Picking in Crescent and Picking in Chestnut.
01:19:46.000But we both made it like it was like almost a fucking initial bond that you could you couldn't imagine like right like those I did my bid whatever he did You know 30 fucking years later.
01:19:56.000He's shaking my hand at a movie premiere thing.
01:19:59.000It was I said he was like We're proud of you?
01:21:12.000Well, like I said, if I was 23 years old and I was living where you're living and doing that job, I probably would have been right there with you.
01:21:30.000I used to have this different look about people.
01:21:33.000I used to say, well, you're responsible for your own actions, which in a sense you absolutely are.
01:21:38.000But there's also this concept that All of your own actions and whoever you are in a lot of ways are determined by your environment, by how you grew up, by what situation you find yourself in, by the circumstances you find yourself in in that situation.
01:24:22.000Listen, go back into the histories from between, let's go 85 to 95. Uh-huh.
01:24:32.000Call it ghetto precinct, because that's what it's called in the police world.
01:24:35.000Every single ghetto precinct had a scandal very similar to mine, except maybe not to the depth, like you had initially said, like when I really got into the paying and straight out dealing with the guys.
01:25:10.000I mean, whenever you have any sort of an act, whether it's a guy who's a marijuana dealer or a guy who's a fucking bow hunter, you're going to have people that just take it to the ultimate.
01:26:37.000The worst thing about being in isolation is your loss of interpersonal skills, which I don't know if I have any anyway.
01:26:45.000Just when you pass people in a physical manner, you don't know whether they're going to stab you or you should stab them, you should hug them, you should shake their hand.
01:26:53.000It's hard to explain, but it's like that physical presence of another person next to you in your space.
01:27:26.000So when I was first, an example was when I first passed somebody, we had a room, let's say, the size of your studio here, and he was out on the floor and I was out on the floor.
01:27:35.000At the same time, which is very odd in my situation because I wasn't around anybody, I didn't know what to do.
01:27:40.000I didn't know how to respond to his presence in my world.
01:27:43.000And he was another guy that was also in solitary?
01:28:23.000You know, and that's, you know, it's a little different because, you know, it's a warm thing, you know, but people that are criminals and convicts and the same, you're not really touchy, lovey-feely type thing, you know, so you don't know how to respond.
01:28:35.000Yeah, I would imagine, like, didn't Bradley Manning, I think he was in for like two years plus before he became Chelsea Manning, right?
01:28:44.000Two years plus solitary, no interaction with anyone, and I believe no clothes, because they were worried about him killing himself.
01:28:58.000But, like, I've heard it argued that, like, you go insane.
01:29:03.000Like, if you leave someone alone for two or three years and there's no interaction at all with other people, you might as well just fucking shoot.
01:29:09.000Yeah, I saw guys used to sleep underneath their bed, put the mattress on top of their bed and sleep underneath it.
01:29:14.000Underneath the bed we hang up the wall or something.
01:30:32.000And then Chelsea Manning is fucked in jail forever.
01:30:36.000And they're never gonna let her out now, and that's it.
01:30:39.000And it's all exposing crime, which is even more fucked up, because Julian Assange is not a criminal, Bradley Manning is not a crime, other than, you know, the crime of exposing government corruption and documents.
01:30:52.000So I'll give you an interesting detail on one of the hundreds of stories.
01:31:07.000Walter's living in my house, and Tromboli, one of the internal affairs detectives, is constantly at my house, like, surveilling my house and shit, right?
01:32:27.000So, about eight or ten months later, the case is ready to fall apart.
01:32:33.000Internal Affairs goes and arrests this guy's wife or sister.
01:32:39.000She's working in some bookie spot, one of those bodegas that sells numbers and they don't really sell food.
01:32:45.000And they arrest his wife and tell him they're going to deport her and keep her kids and put them in BCW, one of those Bureau of Child Welfare.
01:32:53.000Or call your brother and tell her to get back here.
01:34:04.000If a guy put up what they call a civilian complaint against, let's say, yourself, and you were either my buddy, one of my co-workers, you're not going to go to the guy's house and say anything, but you might have your friend sit in front of his house for a week.
01:37:42.000And being I was young and still a little, I was in pretty good shape at this point.
01:37:46.000Now we're down about a year or so and doing Probably, you know, 600, 800 push-ups, 1,000 push-ups a day, chin-ups, dips, backbends, you know, the whole bit.
01:38:20.000What happens to those guys when they get in?
01:38:22.000Well, they align themselves with a young guy who does most of their bidding, and hopefully you don't have to take a knife for one of them or something like that.
01:41:35.000So I go from there, and then I end up in some small county jail, which I end up with one of the guys from Cocaine Cowboy who ends up dying.
01:41:44.000A couple of them did, but this fellow here is telling me, I got to get the fuck out of here.
01:41:47.000And I'm in the county jail, and there's like a piece of barbed wire around this fence.
01:41:50.000And he's telling me, there's a guy in a tree.
01:49:05.000One had the rap station on, one had the basketball all the time, and the other one had Spanish TV. So then you had CNN once in a while, which we saw the 9-11 attack, and they all come out looking at me, Mike, did you see what happened?
01:49:52.000And then if you're working in prison, you get very little money, right?
01:49:55.000You get very little money, so the money from the outside is what you maintain.
01:49:58.000So guys that go to prison and have outside connections with family that would still help them support themselves become a commodity in prison.
01:51:36.000I ended up in Devon, Massachusetts, and when I got off the plane, I lost a year off my sentence because I'm now in a different legal situation.
01:51:43.000Jurisdiction than the legal jurisdiction that I was in in Florida.
01:51:46.000So you have to do an extra year because of that?
01:51:48.000So I got the year put back onto my sentence that I earned off and I just wanted to fucking...
01:53:58.000Now, are you allowed to make money off of your case now?
01:54:03.000I did a lot of research, the people I'm involved with, and unless there's a specific victim that was specifically out there, unless a guy says I stole his kilo, I don't know.
01:54:24.000But the details are slightly different because, you know, I was a...
01:54:28.000I don't know what the fuck you would call it, but the people that researched it for me said that the law, that the Son of Sam law does not directly affect you.
01:56:54.000My wife's going, what are you calling from?
01:56:56.000I go, you don't want the drug dealer's cell phones right now.
01:56:59.000The guy's like, I said, do me a favor, erase that number when I finish talking to you.
01:57:04.000So you call the halfway house and now you have to live there for a while?
01:57:08.000Now I got to live there, which is back in the ghetto.
01:57:10.000I'm back in the ghetto living in a halfway house and I'm out about, I don't know, two or three days and the newspaper are out front circling like fucking bees around honey or flies on shit.
01:59:13.000I don't want the news people snapping a picture of me walking across against the don't walk sign.
01:59:17.000So the post guy comes up to me and says, Mike, I don't want to acknowledge him, but when I look at him, he goes, can you just sign this affidavit for me that this is you that I'm about to take you a picture of?
01:59:30.000I go, do your fucking job and leave me alone, please.
02:01:47.000It just seemed like the easiest thing to do was to go back.
02:01:51.000And thank God, at that moment, I had good parents and solid family support and a couple of young kids that wanted to get to know me, you know?
02:02:35.000Yeah, I couldn't get a fucking job, but my brother was doing some construction, and I mixed up with the construction industry for about four or five years, and I did pretty well.
02:02:43.000And that was in the boom time, so anybody who could hold a brush in their hand or a hammer in their hand got a job, and they made a decent salary.
02:02:50.000And I turned down some union office, because I have family that runs one of the unions, and I turned it down because I needed money now.
02:02:58.000And so I did what I could, and, you know, listen, they put an ankle bracelet on me when I got home, because I was banging one of the chicks from the halfway house.
02:03:12.000You're not supposed to do that, by the way.
02:04:45.000So how much time do you have to spend doing this halfway house thing before you're free?
02:04:48.000Well, that's like, but what it is, you go from halfway house to home confinement, and then after home confinement, you go on to supervised release.
02:04:54.000Home confinement, so you can find your home for during the...
02:04:58.000During the hours of the, like, if you're not working, you're locked in your house, you know, and that's, yeah, yeah, so they can call at any minute and So you can't go to the movies?
02:05:06.000No, but you can ask for permission to go shopping and things of that nature, you know, and then come back in.
02:05:20.000You're still part of your sentence, which is why I said 12 and a half years, not 11 years, nine months, because the last six months of my prison sentence was in the street.
02:06:29.000The job that Kenny actually got me fired from before I went to prison, because I got a job driving a limousine for one hour, but never drove a limo.
02:06:36.000Because, I don't want to tell you this story.
02:06:40.000I'm about to get a job driving a limousine.
02:07:39.000They're going to open my books and my taxes and leave me a new asshole if I give you a job here.
02:07:45.000I said, you gotta be kidding me, motherfucker.
02:07:48.000I just spent my last 300 cash because the government takes everything when they get you.
02:07:52.000So now I can't even get a job fucking doing that while I'm out on bail, and I wouldn't have had the desperado to leave the fucking country.
02:11:03.000They knew about it when they hired me, but the documentary became so compelling and riveting, so interesting and so detailed that probably some cop called up and said, I don't want my wife working with this guy around.
02:11:47.000But if you cut it down to the gems and just, you know, honest about all the fucking craziness and all the weird shit that's going on in your head and the family and the pussy and the drugs and...
02:14:59.000I think people being honest, if you're honest about circumstantial situations that you find yourself into and poor decision making and being young and doing drugs and then also being involved in a heinous crime riddled situation,
02:15:14.000like your environment that you're in, you're going to these places, these ghettos, you're constantly around crime.
02:26:13.000It was in Corona, Elmhurst, Jackson Heights, which is called the cocaine capital of New York.
02:26:18.000Actually, the world at the time was more than Miami because it was where they called Little Columbia.
02:26:23.000All the major Colombian cartels were shipping their cocaine to Jackson Heights and Corona and were being shipped out around the whole metropolitan area from there.
02:33:28.000Watch the staircase, because we're down in the basement now.
02:33:30.000I cut this thing open, and when you finally get it open, the plume of fucking cocaine comes flying out, and it smells like that bubble gum shit that's delicious.
02:33:38.000So I'm like, holy shit, we hit pay dirt here.
02:35:34.000There's a limousine out front with two guys, one stand on each side, with their full length trench coats on, standing there like this, and looking right at us.
02:36:44.000They got him in a warehouse somewhere.
02:36:46.000I would imagine he's got his own little spot.
02:36:48.000Imagine if you go there and it's all fucking plush carpet, fucking beautiful TV. The story that everybody dreams of, wow, you had some bid, you know.
02:36:57.000Well, that's what everybody dreams of is like that Goodfellas scenario.
02:40:54.000They used to make me send the money home.
02:40:55.000You know, you got too much money in your account, you got to send it home.
02:40:58.000The guards would make you send the money home?
02:41:00.000Yeah, because you can't have too much money in your account while you're incarcerated, because then you could control people in the prison.
02:43:29.000When I laugh, don't take it the wrong way because it's just crazy.
02:43:31.000You know, I don't mean to demean anything or anyone.
02:43:34.000So I'm getting ready to go to the Bahamas.
02:43:38.000And so what I do is I change my shift from a 4 to 12 to a day shift so that after the day shift, I can go on my merry vacation instead of ending at 4 to 12 at night.
02:43:52.000So I get assigned a prisoner in King County Hospital.
02:44:00.000And there's so many fucking stories in my head, it just spins.
02:44:03.000So now you realize I'm going on vacation at the end of this shift.
02:44:06.000I'm going to the Bahamas or the Cayman Islands, I don't know, someplace.
02:44:20.000As a cop, you're supposed to be clean-shaven.
02:44:21.000You can have a mustache, but you've got to be clean-shaven otherwise.
02:44:23.000So when you turn out, you've got to look tight.
02:44:26.000So now I'm in this hospital, three days growth on my face, and I'm drunk because I just did an all-nighter.
02:44:31.000Because I did a 4 to 12. Instead of going home, I stayed at the precinct, tapped down half a dozen or a dozen, whatever, and now I'm back at the hospital guarding this prisoner.
02:44:40.000I walk in the hospital and I take the handcuffs.
02:44:44.000I said to the kid, where's the fucking handcuffs?
02:46:15.000So I tried to put a description over the air of an escaped prisoner.
02:46:20.000Possibly escaped prisoner because I don't want to admit that the prisoners escaped yet because I don't know if he is, but he's just not here.
02:50:40.000The arrest took me about 15 minutes to process, so I walk back into the precinct, and the lieutenant on the desk goes, Daud, you've got to go back down to central booking and process the arrest of that inmate that escaped.
02:54:41.000It's not a good life, you know, and the fact that we're saying that, you know, I could sit on a pile of gold or whatever, and I love to hear that, you know, it's just the fact that you turn something bad into something good is a good thing, but it was fucking hell, and still, you know, I mean, sometimes I can't even go up to a cop today and say,
02:57:13.000Okay, I'm selling my soul right now just to make ends meet, you know, and they got a pension and retirement system, they're going to be fine, you know, but interesting conversation with them, and so they're looking to do something with that and have me back and speak before academy class or,
02:57:29.000you know, I don't know about the precincts, the guys might not open their arms to me the way the rookies are forced to, you know.
02:57:34.000And then I'm doing some colleges right now.
02:59:04.000And your boss failed three tests, and you didn't pass him either.
02:59:09.000So you both should be in the same ground.
02:59:10.000Now he's your boss or she's your boss.
02:59:12.000So it was a very, very political upheaval within the police department itself when this rife time in the crack era hit, all at the same time.
02:59:37.000Make sure we talk about themikedown.com.
02:59:40.000Yes, themikedow.com, and that's where people should buy the documentary, The 7-5, and do buy the documentary because it is fucking five stars.