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00:00:36.000You have a very fascinating life, my friend, and you have done some amazing things.
00:00:42.000I've been paying attention to you for the last couple months pretty intensely, and leading up to this podcast, I've been researching you a lot.
00:00:51.000First of all, I want to know, how did all this get started?
00:00:54.000For people who don't know who you are, you've accomplished a ton of world records.
00:00:59.000You've endured things that most people think may be physically impossible.
00:01:05.000You've shown that you can alter your immune system on demand.
00:01:09.000You can regulate levels of stress hormones that people thought were unable to be controlled by the human mind.
00:01:19.000We're autonomous and you're doing this all like on your own.
00:01:23.000I've never heard of anybody else doing this.
00:01:24.000First of all, how did you get started in this and What led you to this?
00:01:30.000Yes Like many Probably I was in a soul search and I visited many countries traditions languages esoteric disciplines and also like you,
00:01:45.000you know karate and kung-fu and yoga and But also the dervish, the Sufi, Buddhism, all kinds of traditions and disciplines, but it could not really fulfill me in the depth.
00:02:01.000A certain day, it was a Sunday, I was attracted to cold water.
00:02:08.000I don't know why, but because I was seeking already for years, you have a charge within you.
00:02:15.000You always keep on looking, searching, seeking.
00:02:20.000And at that moment I felt the attraction and I knew I'm going to go in, you know, ice water.
00:02:26.000And it only took me 30 seconds or one minute, it took, but I felt this is it.
00:02:35.000This is able to connect me with the depth of my physiology, the way nature has meant it to be.
00:03:32.000And it's all about the connection within which I was looking for, the depth, which I could not find in books.
00:03:42.000I read about hundreds of books on philosophy, on religion, on esoteric disciplines, all kinds of books, you know, searching, searching, searching.
00:04:03.000And then from there on, the cold water at a certain point, when you do it regularly, you become conscious your breathing pattern is going to change.
00:05:10.000When you say you altered your breathing patterns, what do you mean exactly?
00:05:16.000When I went in at a certain point, I knew how to be very relaxed going in, then let the cold impact go within, and then begin breathing deeper.
00:05:32.000And then a certain dance between the cold and your breath begins to start up, begins to charge your body.
00:05:42.000And after 25 breaths like that, Very conscious in the cold.
00:05:50.000The cold is a force and it has its impact.
00:05:53.000And you go along with the cold and what it does on the physiology, and you use your breathing.
00:06:01.000Now I know what happens physiologically, but then, those days, it was all by feeling.
00:08:41.000And at a certain point, you're so fully charged and the pH levels go to a very high level, you're able to stay without air in the lung for minutes.
00:10:19.000Carbon dioxide went out, O2 went up, filled up all the cells and the pH levels go up.
00:10:27.000Then we are able to tap into the central nervous system and at the end we got the brainstem.
00:10:34.000And that's the place of the pineal gland, hypothalamus, pituitary gland.
00:10:39.000And the pineal gland makes the secretion of adrenaline in dangerous situations.
00:10:45.000Normally we do not get into it because of our shallow breathing.
00:10:51.000But this is the way to get into the The most primitive part, the reptilian brain, without many difficulties, and fend off bacteria, getting better into the endocrine systems.
00:11:07.000You're past 1.10 in minutes, and you're still on.
00:11:14.000That shows that the capacity to fill yourself up with oxygen is a lot more than we normally use.
00:11:22.000And as we do not use it, we are not making use of the full capacity of our physiology.
00:11:29.000Now we found out we got a different layers, and we never use it.
00:11:34.000And this is the way to learn to use it, to tap in and bang, into the primitive brain, into the endocrine systems, immune systems, the way nature has meant it to be.
00:13:06.000So, to explain to people at home, what I'm doing is I'm breathing in all the way, as deeply as I can, but I'm not breathing out all the way.
00:14:27.000Normally it's a controlled experiment and they did it with thousands of people already and nobody was able to control to the depth of the immune system.
00:14:40.000Because the endotoxin provokes a response in the immune system, you become feverish, you get headaches, all over agony, uncontrolled shivering, vomiting, you know, things like that happen.
00:14:55.000But the people I trained, first I did it myself, then they said, yeah, but you are the Iceman, you are an exception on the rule, and you confirmed the rule because of this.
00:15:29.000When they test normal people on things, the amount of people that are doing what you're doing and trying these kind of experiments and going under ice and breathing the way you're breathing, it's almost none.
00:15:43.000I mean, I'm sure more people now are inspired to do it because of you, but so I don't understand how they could say that you confirm the rule because you don't, you know, it doesn't apply to you.
00:15:54.000Yeah, that's a saying, you know, the exception confirms the rule.
00:16:00.000So I told them, yes, I'm the Iceman, I got so much experience, I did so many challenges on records, but no.
00:16:08.000The thing, my mission is to show that everybody is able to tap in their physiology a lot deeper just in a couple of days.
00:16:18.000And it has been shown, 12 people in a comparative study, 12 people been instructed and 12 people non-instructed.
00:16:26.000The non-instructed people got to be sick, all of them, and the instructed people, all of them, were not sick.
00:16:35.000Now this endotoxin, what exactly is the endotoxin?
00:16:38.000The endotoxin is a part of a bacteria and the immune system recognizes it as a negative intruder.
00:16:49.000So that's why it is a controlled experiment.
00:16:54.000And this is the way they inject it, and they try to learn about the immune system, the endocrine systems, by doing this controlled experiments on many, many people all over in the world.
00:17:07.000Now, prior to doing this, what made you think that you could do this?
00:17:10.000Like, what convinced you that you could actually regulate your immune system to react to a response that was injected into your body like that?
00:17:23.000Like 25 years ago, I already stated and told everybody the autonomic nervous system and the immune systems related to the autonomic nervous system can be influenced.
00:17:36.000The autonomic nervous system will be no longer autonomic.
00:18:34.000After years of searching, then you have a certain kind of knowledge, you know, from the inside also, the gut feeling and intuition, and that's more than what we think.
00:18:47.000And this is not a reaction to how your body felt when you got out of the water, like you're saying, hmm, I feel like I get less sick, I feel like I'm healthier.
00:19:31.000So, in a sense, what you've done is you tapped into something extremely primal by dealing with one of the most primal elements of all, which is cold.
00:20:14.000When you're saying this to people, when you're 31 years old and you're telling people, I can control my immune system, they must have been like, you're out of your fucking mind.
00:21:14.000Anything artificial you use in nature doesn't make you having the right connection with nature.
00:21:21.000And what I wanted to challenge in all the challenges I did, like marathons beyond the polar circle in mid-winter and shorts, but also in the heat of the desert without drinking, We're hanging by one finger on a mile up in the air.
00:22:36.000So the powers that our body has, the untapped powers that we probably had for millennia, dealing with the cold, dealing with the heat, dealing with adversity, dealing with struggle, all those powers are not being tapped into, so because of that the body just atrophies and it doesn't know what to do with itself.
00:23:03.000As soon as I want to do research, they did research on mindfulness.
00:23:11.000For example, mindfulness related to depression.
00:23:15.000And I think not only me, also psychiatrists.
00:23:19.000They saw the blood values, the markers in the blood within our study.
00:23:25.000And most probably our method, this, what we just did.
00:23:29.000It brings the people very much faster into controlling their endocrine system.
00:23:35.000The endocrine system is about hormonal balances in the body and because we are not able to tap into that, We are victimized because of too much stress, or this, or the daily life, or whatever,
00:23:51.000and we get depressed, and we are not able to get out of it.
00:23:54.000Now, this method, because of tapping into the endocrine systems, makes you feel you are able to rebalance the hormonal disturbance in the body, creating eventually in length depression.
00:24:13.000So, I want to research on this, because this is, my wife died in 95, Because of suicide.
00:25:58.000What happened with your wife, that your wife killed herself, was due to depression.
00:26:03.000And you feel like that type of depression, the depression that a lot of people experience, is because their mind is not stimulated the way it was intended to by nature.
00:26:15.000Is that a fair way of describing your thoughts on this?
00:26:19.000And that we're left with a residual effect of civilization, in a way, where your mind is overwhelmed with things that really are not natural, like living in a cubicle, the stress of office life, traffic, things that aren't natural.
00:28:13.000And that's why they've shown tests that in many cases exercise can be just as good as antidepressants, just as good as medication for people who are depressed.
00:28:22.000Which totally makes sense if what you're saying is right.
00:28:25.000It totally makes sense that your body like has a desire to exert itself and it is a built-in system that's designed to deal with certain natural stresses running from predators dealing with the cold and dealing with weather and climate and And nature and the adversities of the environment as far as like challenging yourself climbing hills and exerting yourself.
00:28:49.000We don't do that that much and because of that that's what you think leads to this dis-ease of the brain.
00:28:56.000Yes and you know for many people who are depressed they are quite unable to Get into the body and begin to run and things like that.
00:29:11.000And we are going to solve this by very easy techniques.
00:29:16.000Instead of them having to run because their environment is really pressing upon them, they feel completely immobilized.
00:29:25.000But if you are able to tap into the brain and let them make feel the change, that he is changing the chemistry of the brain, Then he becomes a different person much faster.
00:29:40.000But I'm subject to science and I want more research on this and soon we have the outcomes and then we will tackle this problem with depression.
00:29:53.000It's related to the endocrine systems and having no connection with it.
00:29:59.000Normally the hypothalamus in our primitive brain, the brain stem, is not under our control.
00:30:08.000But these breathing techniques, deriving from being in the cold so much, they are very effective, not only in the cold, which is stress, But also in the heat, also for a predator, also on Mount Everest where there is a lack of oxygen outside,
00:31:38.000But how much more power we are able to learn to control?
00:31:43.000And that the blood taken from me while I was in the tank, I got a few remarkable results.
00:31:52.000One is, the blood taken, it was exposed to endotoxin afterwards, but in a laboratory, without me, ex vivo it's called, and they saw Normally, it has a very violent reaction on the immune cells in the glass of the laboratory.
00:33:14.000I program up to cell level what I'm about to do.
00:33:20.000I need more energy because energy is needed to withstand the impact of the cold.
00:33:28.000So I control my body by my mind, and that's all of us.
00:33:32.000And this mind then makes the connection with the hypothalamus, which is the brainstem, and that is able to control the hormonal system, the immune systems, the vascular system, all the systems.
00:33:48.000Now when you say that your metabolic rate rose 300%, is that a normal thing because of the cold?
00:33:54.000Because that's one thing that they tell you, that it's a great way to lose calories, just dress very lightly when it's cold outside, and it forces your body to work hard to stay warm.
00:34:24.000So we got also these cells which need stimulation.
00:34:29.000I did experiments with the brown fat adipose in the nuclear department of nuclear medical department in Maastricht, a different university.
00:34:42.000And it showed that I had the same brown fat adipose levels as a young man, like 20 years, 15 years.
00:34:54.000You get older and you wear clothes and you lose it.
00:34:58.000It's logical, but I always expose myself to cold on a regular basis.
00:35:04.000So, they had me exposed as well in an experiment like that, and they saw that I, with the same level or amount of brown fat adipose cells, I could produce five times more energy.
00:35:25.000So compared to these guys, because of the breathing and influencing on cell level, I was able to do five times more.
00:35:35.000And this could be a solution for people who have overweight, because when the fat is consumed, Which is very in the moment when you need it.
00:36:02.000It's maybe a solution for many people living in the West with, you know, obese problems and heart problems, vascular problems because of it, etc.
00:36:12.000There's a type of therapy that's becoming really popular here in America called cryotherapy.
00:36:57.000So she knew that it was raising her levels of neoprenephrine and her whole body was being stimulated by this reaction to this extreme 250 degree below zero cold.
00:38:41.000Because we have proven with thousands and thousands of results, beyond speculation, that we are able, if we use our mind once again, Not in dependency for doctors and this and that.
00:38:56.000No, you are able to repair yourself whenever you feel not healthy or depressed or with a loss of energy, you know, strength, happiness and health.
00:40:16.000You know what happens when I'm in the ice for an hour, for example?
00:40:21.000Most of the times I begin to feel it, the cold, at the part of the kidneys, which is mostly on the surface, and the cold gets there, the ice.
00:40:36.000There is no way I'm able to move because it's like six, seven hundred kilos of ice around me and I'm not able even to breathe very much because it's pressurizing.
00:40:50.000What I learned is to think it a way within a minute.
00:40:55.000Within a minute I make the difference from the brain to the kidneys and change the temperature like 10 degrees.
00:41:42.000People are normally not able to raise the temperatures anymore.
00:41:46.000They just go into unconsciousness and coma and things like that.
00:41:53.000But I rose the temperature back and he said he never had seen a person do that because physiologically stated in the science books it's not possible.
00:42:06.000And I say, you know, so much more is possible than not only connecting with your core temperature But also with the endocrine systems.
00:42:16.000Now when you say you were raising your temperature, what was the environment that you were raising your temperature in?
00:42:21.000You were in the water while this was happening?
00:42:48.000Like a baby needs attention to grow up.
00:42:51.000We need to pay attention to ourselves again, trust ourselves again, believe.
00:42:56.000Believing is neurotransmitters in the right way and when it connects with the body again and we got the techniques and it has been shown with thousands of results that we are able to control.
00:43:10.000The endocrine systems, or better said, our mood, becoming happy, yes or no, serotonin, melatonin, dimethyltreptamine, and all the other hormones, we are able to tap into that system.
00:47:12.000In this technique, which has been shown as the first group in the world to be able to tap into the autonomic nervous system, related to the immune system and endocrine system, it shows the depth And this depth normally is a result,
00:47:29.000maybe, of yogis who are really going into Samadhis and Dharanas and into the Kundalini up to the Sahasrara and all that, the Kumbhaka yogis.
00:48:03.000We want to understand things the way we are living.
00:48:09.000And I thought to simplify it and science backed it up.
00:48:16.000Now, when you're talking about your breathing, you were saying that when you were young, that when you discovered this type of breathing, that you could see the lights.
00:48:51.000And you are just manipulating the nervous system, pressurizing it, and then electricity comes out bigger.
00:49:00.000So what you were saying before about someone who has a cold, so you would tell them to utilize your breathing method and concentrate on the area in which they're sick.
00:49:09.000Like if they have a lung infection, concentrate on clearing the lungs.
00:49:13.000Any infection, any disease, anything they got, we have the ability to connect with our body.
00:49:19.000You just have to absolutely believe it.
00:49:21.000And you have to absolutely be focused on it.
00:49:23.000If you want your phone, if I want my phone, then I need to grab this one.
00:49:29.000Not this one, not this one, and not that.
00:49:32.000I have to be busy with what I'm doing, for real.
00:49:50.000The change of the belief is nothing more than the mind, which is neurotransmitters, electrical potentials, and use it once again instead of being alienated because of comfort behavior.
00:50:05.000You learn to use these neural microbiological patterns again, which are existent, but they are down-exercised, un-exercised.
00:50:19.000That's why we don't trust them, because they are not so strong.
00:50:24.000Learn that these are very capable Of you making connection with the endocrine systems, immune systems far deeper, thus being able to control happiness, health and strength.
00:50:37.000And we are going to prove this more and more because I'm dealing with the universities and I want to I want cold measurements, figures, statistics, no speculation.
00:50:49.000Well, that's what separates you from a lot of people who've made these crazy claims.
00:50:54.000You've actually done physical feats that show extraordinary abilities.
00:50:58.000What you did in Mount Everest, no one's ever done before, and I've never even heard of anyone attempting to do something like that.
00:51:03.000You ran a marathon, a half marathon in Finland.
00:51:48.000And then when you find out that you're incredibly healthy, and you're vibrant, and you're doing all these things, and you're allowing yourself to be tested, and you're showing this ability to regulate your immune system, and this is all incredibly exciting stuff, and then the scientists come in, because then they're like, okay,
00:53:51.000It tells in the university books now, which have been dedicating one chapter about the Iceman, which is the study which we did.
00:54:03.000There you see the old story where professors normally, they say, yeah, this is not possible.
00:54:10.000In the books it's stated, it is not possible to do a half marathon barefoot or climbing Mount Everest that way because of the physiology of ours and the hardships outside.
00:54:37.000I only want clinical proof of what I was doing, which surpassed the physiological laws stated in the books.
00:54:45.000If I was able to produce that in laboratory settings, and then they had something to start off with.
00:54:54.000To do which could be a possible method or abilities, evidence-based, helping people who are sick.
00:55:07.000And now we are going to do more clinical studies showing sick people to be able to cure a lot faster or not having to make use of as much medicine as they do now because I'm not anti-pharmaceutics or anything like that because I'm not into politics but I want people to know There is so much more within every
00:55:37.000person here in the world which will enable you to tackle a disease Unhappiness and having no energy or strength and we are able to do that and that's love.
00:55:52.000I want to bring back love in the world constituted by happiness, strength and health.
00:55:58.000It's just fascinating that you're such an outlier that it took one person to come up with this method and one person to challenge these ideas that the body can't do this and now they have to reconsider.
00:56:11.000There's seven billion people on the planet.
00:56:14.000We've been around for who knows how long.
00:56:16.000We've thousands of years of written history.
00:56:18.000And then they had these laws that they believed that the body was capable of doing and not capable of doing.
00:56:40.000I was never out there to change the world, but because things happened in my life, I was triggered in the depth of my body and even in the emotional part, as I explained before,
00:56:58.000And now I'm very, very certain I got a mission.
00:57:01.000It was born in 2007 in the Feinstein Institute, Manhattan, New York, when Dr. Kevin Kammler gave me the results, blood results, after an experiment in the Feinstein Institute,
00:57:19.000And he told me, if you are able to reproduce these results And pass it on to a group of persons, say in two weeks, then that would mean huge consequences for human mankind.
00:58:14.000And we have to go back to that chemistry.
00:58:16.000And we are showing this by scientific evidence and results.
00:58:22.000I think what you're doing is so important.
00:58:24.000It's so important to human beings because we were operating under a false assumption.
00:58:32.000And this false assumption had made it into textbooks.
00:58:35.000And if a guy like you comes along and shows a method for changing your physiology, and if you could teach that to children early on, you would change their operating paradigm.
00:58:44.000You would change the way their mind views the world.
01:00:44.000Only one diver somewhere, but he was not in the water.
01:00:50.000To me, I didn't want to just try and train half the distance.
01:00:56.000No, if I have to do it tomorrow, I'm going to do all the distance now.
01:01:01.000But nobody took real attention and nobody was so serious.
01:01:06.000They only thought, we are the safety around the real record with the television and this and that and all that.
01:01:13.000So, I began to do this breathing, which you just did.
01:01:18.000And then at a certain point, I was so lightheaded and this and that, but then in the water, in the cold, and you become fully charged with oxygen.
01:01:28.000So much that your pH levels go really up.
01:03:32.000And the body is able to retreat in the nervous system, then go into the central nervous system, and then the tunnel of the light, and that's it.
01:03:45.000My pH levels were so rosen before I went in, That there was never a lack of oxygen, or the lack of oxygen was there, but it was never disturbing with withdrawal.
01:07:23.000Yeah, there's a lack of oxygen over there.
01:07:26.000And if you use all the time oxygen at a certain point, you don't use oxygen, and you get in a storm or a blast or a whiteout, then you're just lost.
01:07:43.000Now, listen, I am going for the fourth time now, climbing Kilimanjaro in January, coming, and I teach people to do it in a record time, without mountaineering experience,
01:07:59.000and even having diseases like Roma, or asthma, or chronic diseases, things like that.
01:08:25.000Then in four months, the oldest participant without mountaineering experience is 76 years old, and we are going to do it in a record time.
01:08:36.000That's learning how to use, if you know how to use, the adaptive power of ours, and you endorse it with the right breathing and belief, The belief was the neurotransmitters who are influencing on cell level.
01:08:54.000The breathing brings about the right pH level and then the adaptive force is able to adapt, to enter into the body because the chemistry is right.
01:09:06.000And when you say the right pH levels, is this something that's been measured?
01:11:03.000You know, after 30 years or 35 years, almost 40 years already, of, you know, experience of exposing the body, The physiology, two extremes.
01:11:16.000I know and I can feel if I'm fit or somebody is able or fit to do being part of a calculation in the extreme.
01:11:28.000I learned to climb without gear on rocks.
01:11:31.000That means you read the rock first and then you are part of the calculation.
01:13:22.000And we just had a talk, and the man is so in control of his body, he can read my mind when he's talking with me, if I'm being right, because he can feel what happens with his logic and his body.
01:13:42.000So he thought it to be right and okay, and then he's listening.
01:15:21.000And now he's taking cold baths, you know, ice baths every day.
01:15:26.000And two weeks later he told me he is improving so much.
01:15:31.000That he regained the connection with his deeper physiological systems, the endocrine and the immune system as well, but he is healthy already.
01:15:44.000But endocrine systems, that's important for him because, you know, it's pure adrenaline what happens when you do a match.
01:16:07.000Because I feel I'm in charge with my own body.
01:16:13.000And I'm not talking, you know, Alistair Overeem is his person.
01:16:18.000I don't know the way he is now, but I'm going to meet him, say, next week and do a last training, directing, simply awakening His ability, like everybody, the ability to connect with the deeper physiological systems within our body,
01:16:38.000enabling us to do about anything, because this adaptive power is really so far out.
01:16:46.000Well, for fighters, that could be a huge advantage because one of the big things that happens to them during hard training is their endocrine system starts to break down.
01:16:55.000Their testosterone levels are very, very low during training camps because they're oftentimes overtraining, meaning their body can't recover.
01:17:03.000They're training so hard, their body doesn't have enough time to recover.
01:17:05.000You think that you can stimulate the production of testosterone?
01:18:05.000Now, we have shown that without forests, we are able to produce more adrenaline than somebody going into a bunker jump, you know, very fearful.
01:22:25.000And in that way, without any damage in the brain or nothing like that, it also begins to, if you do it on a regular basis, it begins to reestablish neural patterns between the neocortex,
01:22:42.000The surface of the brain, our thinking, and the primitive brain.
01:22:46.000That makes sense because when you had me hold my breath, and I only did it for two minutes, but I was starting to panic.
01:22:52.000My body was going, what are you doing, dude?
01:23:14.000Now, this Mount Kilimanjaro thing, I want to get back to that, because to me, what's dangerous about that is not you, because I think that you have a very deep understanding of who you are and what you're capable of, and obviously you've done amazing things, but these other people...
01:26:55.000Okay, but it shows once again the mind and the breathing.
01:27:02.000Because the breathing, when people get a headache, which is the first sign of acclimatization problems, high-altitude disease, AMS, acute mountain sickness is what it is, then just make them breathe and bring more oxygen to the brain.
01:27:19.000So if you're climbing up, you're not using any of those oxygen tanks that a lot of those people use?
01:27:26.000And when you hear about people dying up there, do you think that you could have helped those people if you taught them breathing techniques?
01:27:35.000So all the, you know, 26 people ranging from 22 to 65 with coronary problems with all these diseases and still able to do it within two days, in shorts.
01:29:16.000But he or she won't be able to get up on the mountain anymore.
01:29:23.000And you're saying an attitude, meaning like a negative attitude or an attitude of ego, like the ego protecting you from giving in and realizing your true potential, right?
01:29:48.000And that's one of the things, like I can tell just talking to you and being around you, that you have this very powerful belief in what you're saying and what you're doing.
01:29:57.000And when people are around you and they give in...
01:29:59.000That's Joe Rogan telling me that, huh?
01:30:11.000When people are around someone like you that has this legitimate, powerful belief in what you're saying and what you've proven to be true, then other people absorb that.
01:30:23.000It's a thing that if someone has an attitude, meaning a negative attitude, they have too much ego, they're going to say, well, who the fuck's this guy?
01:30:30.000Well, why does he think he knows this?
01:31:44.000So when you take these people with you, you are raising them up with your own mind, with your own belief in what you have done and what they can do.
01:33:05.000Do you think then, in that sense, that maybe there's more benefit even to getting in a tub of ice and water than there is in one of those cryo chambers?
01:33:44.000I can't explain, but it takes quite some time.
01:33:49.000Maybe the smart thing to do is to do both things.
01:33:52.000Do like a cryo chamber for the physical effects because they say that the cytokines are released in the body when you get to like 150 degrees below zero.
01:34:00.000That's like the most benefit where your body produces the most anti-inflammatory reaction.
01:34:05.000You don't get that cold when you get in the ice bath.
01:34:08.000With water and the ice, it doesn't get to 250 degrees below zero, but maybe there's more benefit with the mind and with controlling the breathing in that respect, because you have to breathe in deeper, longer, and you can sit in an ice bath for 20 minutes,
01:34:24.000as opposed to the three minutes of the...
01:34:26.000When I've taken people into the cryotherapy place, they say, I don't think I can do it.
01:34:31.000I'm like, well, the first time you do it, you only do it for two minutes.
01:35:24.000When I get these people going, within a couple of hours, you will see that they are able to do so much more.
01:35:35.000It's awakening the right pH levels once again, controlling it by breathing and focus, using focus, and then having a lot more control over the chemistry, and the chemistry is needed, controlled, when you get the impact of the Cold,
01:35:51.000which is a force, you need to produce chemically within your own body, consciously, a contra-force, an opposing force.
01:36:02.000And we are quite able to do that, but you have to know how to do that.
01:36:07.000And for every individual it's a little bit different.
01:37:23.000And once again, I want to be beyond speculation, but we are able, and that's my belief, like 25 years ago I told everybody, the autonomic nervous system in relationship to the immune system can be influenced far deeper.
01:37:56.000And whatever we use therein, cold or heat or stress or this or that, which is an impact on the body, we are able to withstand it or able to control it as we are able to control the system which is our producing happiness,
01:38:36.000When you watch that piece, it's undeniable because you're seeing you do these things and you're watching your enthusiasm and your belief, you're taking these other people, those reporters that were with you through these experiments and these techniques.
01:38:54.000It's got to feel good for you to finally be able to get this word out and to realize that the light is at the end of the tunnel and that you've sort of reached this place where your ideas have gone viral.
01:39:09.000He's a famous strength and conditioning coach, and he's the author of The Supple Leopard, Becoming the Supple Leopard.
01:39:16.000He's a very, very respected strength and conditioning coach.
01:39:19.000When he found out that I was going to have...
01:39:20.000I didn't even talk to him, but he found out through the grapevine that you were going to be on my podcast, and he sent me a text message.
01:39:26.000And I'll paraphrase it, but he said that what your work is some of the most important work that's being done today in the world of understanding the human body.
01:39:35.000He was saying that what you're doing right now for athletes and for people that want to understand how their body works is some of the most important shit that's happening right now.
01:39:45.000And that for self-empowerment, that's got to feel good for you, doesn't it?
01:39:50.000I mean, what does it feel like to you to realize that from the time you're 17, having this calling to jump into cold water, to getting this understanding of what that really means, to this breathing method you're developing, and then having this scientific This proof,
01:40:08.000this elaborate testing that was done on you that shows that your method has been proven.
01:41:10.000Until that, we need to go on, but I'm really thankful for people like yourself and this person.
01:41:19.000Kelly, thank you very much for endorsing this.
01:41:25.000We are going on and Harvard is coming in, which is one of the best universities of the world and we will undeniably prove That we are able to become strong, healthy, and happy.
01:42:35.000So we got it not only for the public enemy, number one, killing so many people in the U.S. It's all over the Western world.
01:42:45.000We got it also for depression and we got it also for actually any disease.
01:42:51.000We got to bring back the belief That we are beings who naturally should be happy, strong and healthy.
01:42:59.000And as long as there are systems or this or complications and nobody knows anymore how to be happy and without war and without tensions and too much grieving and too much greed and all that, then we got work to do because the new world is a world of harmony.
01:43:18.000And we are working on this and we do this together.
01:43:22.000I love the fact that you believe that, and I think that it is possible.
01:46:06.000But because I have this control over the endocrine systems, the melatonin, serotonin, which is the day and the night, I didn't suffer any jet lag, but still it takes energy.
01:46:18.000You don't suffer jet lag when you fly that far?
01:47:22.000If I lift weights or if I run on an elliptical machine or one of those things, do some sort of cardiovascular, I do it like I'm fighting for my life.
01:47:30.000And I feel like that's the way to do it to get the maximum benefits of it.
01:47:34.000Now, listening to you, it makes sense why I'm doing this.
01:47:37.000I've just been doing this sort of instinctively because I feel like over the years of exercising, that's the way I've gotten the best results.
01:47:44.000But people say, what the fuck are you doing?
01:48:19.000If you are conditioned, you're not able to surpass the effects of a jet lag.
01:48:27.000But if you are able to get out of the conditioning, go through it all, then you are able to regain contact with the serotonin, melatonin balance within the body.
01:50:07.000See, I think for a lot of people, the problem is they go to a job that they don't really enjoy, and they're stuck in traffic, and then they get to work, and the reward is they'll have a donut.
01:53:39.000The solution should be that the system is so complicated, so away from us, it should begin to look, people should be strong, healthy and happy.
01:54:46.000Do you think that society has moved too fast for our bodies?
01:54:49.000I think this is all kind of tied together.
01:54:52.000You're talking about depression and you're talking about how our body is not really designed to deal with the stress that it deals with without any of the physical taxing of the actual unit of the body itself.
01:55:05.000You know, the stress of exercise, of exertion, of dealing with the environment and the cold Yes.
01:55:12.000All these things are sort of there's demands that are on the body and the same could be said about the demands of society, the demands of our culture, the demands of civilization.
01:55:24.000Do you think that maybe what's happened is...
01:55:28.000That our civilization has gotten too advanced too fast and our bodies just have not been able to adapt.
01:55:33.000So they're left in this state of confusion and anguish because they're trying to get what they...
01:55:39.000There's reward systems that are deeply ingrained in our DNA and they're not being satisfied.
01:55:46.000That's the neural connection between the neocortex and the brainstem, the primitive part, the human part of the thinking, and the reptilian, the primitive brain, the brainstem, is cut off somehow.
01:56:03.000And that's why we don't control the stress, just stress, which is stress hormone.
01:56:11.000And the endocrine system is connected to the brainstem.
01:58:58.000So even in extreme conditions, you are able to control the body.
01:59:03.000And while you're running, Are you actively engaging in these breathing exercises while you're running?
01:59:10.000I always say to the persons who would do endurance, you know, long distance running, could be 100 kilometers or 100 miles or 500 miles, they probably are knowing, not probably, they have to know,
01:59:27.000To breathe more than the normal conditioned breathing patterns which are shallow.
01:59:35.000Because if you're not breathing deep enough, you will exhaust the reserves of oxygen in the tissue.
01:59:43.000And then the man with the hammer comes.
02:00:09.000So, I always say, take one principle, because we have the ability to store up more oxygen, but then you have to go past your conditioned breathing pattern, which is too shallow.
02:00:22.000And under performance, under pressure, it will just take the oxygen out of your tissue and then at a certain point it's depleted and you are not able to run anywhere because your pH levels become too low.
02:00:36.000So you are able to influence while you perform.
02:00:46.000Thinking, you know what thinking does, influencing cell level.
02:00:49.000But, also, breathe more than you feel is needed.
02:01:49.000And then stand for one hour in shorts and freezing temperatures barefooted for one hour in the snow in horse stands because they influence coal takes oxygen to combust energy combustion and it takes energy and it needs oxygen.
02:02:10.000And the horse stance is a performance.
02:03:13.000We take a bottle of vodka, we put it in front of us, we stand outside in the horse stands, Barefooted.
02:03:22.000And then in one hour or one half hour, we drink all the bottle and still remain in balance because the cold is affected if you get alcohol in the blood.
02:04:26.000But I think, you know, if you have a hangover, a hangover, you know, then if you do 20 minutes just breathing, Then you have no hangover anymore.
02:04:41.000You are learning to detox yourself in 20 minutes.
02:04:45.000I have a guy that I do podcasts with occasionally.
02:04:48.000His name is Dr. Carl Hart and he's an addiction specialist and brilliant guy.
02:04:52.000And he explained hangovers to me in a way that I never understood.
02:04:57.000We have this very confused sense of what addiction is, and he said what a hangover is, is your body being addicted to alcohol, even from one binge session.
02:05:07.000Your body creates these mitigating responses to the alcohol, and then when the alcohol is no longer present, your body has this horrible headache, and what it is is a compensatory response to the alcohol.
02:07:04.000The problem is you're legitimate, 100%, but a lot of people are not.
02:07:09.000I've had a lot of people on this podcast that I thought were legit, and then after talking to them, and then after going over their stuff, and then after being in contact with people who've criticized their work, you realize they're bullshit artists.
02:07:21.000They're just really good at being a bullshit artist, and some of the stuff they say is true.
02:08:00.000It's the fact that there's a bunch of people out there that have actually tested you that have no vested interest whatsoever in you being accurate.
02:08:06.000In fact, would probably like to debunk you just as much as they would like to prove you accurate.
02:08:12.000And that's when things get very, very, very interesting.
02:08:15.000What's fascinating to me is that you're this one guy.
02:08:18.000You're like an outlier in the most extreme sense of the term because there's seven billion people and this one guy has figured some shit out.
02:09:05.000I think what's fascinating is that the parlor tricks, as it were, or your feats, your amazing endurance feats, that's what's bringing people to you.
02:09:16.000When you see you on Everest in your shorts, There's this one image of you out in the snow, and you're bouncing on some ice.
02:09:28.000That gets people going, what the fuck is this guy doing?
02:09:32.000And then they start researching it, and then they start realizing, whoa, this guy, there's been scientific examinations of his claims, and it holds up.
02:10:59.000But as we not expose ourselves anymore, we get frostbite, etc.
02:11:04.000But if you get into the system and you learn to control right and you get the right pH degrees, then the frostbite will not come because we got a mechanism to do that.
02:11:20.000That will bring the cell temperature just above zero.
02:11:28.00032. Because if it gets below, you get irreparable cell damage.
02:11:34.000But yeah, we are mammals and we are able to do that, like dogs and etc.
02:11:39.000Well, we know that people adapt to certain environments.
02:11:42.000You know, like they know that Inuits have adapted a very interesting ability with their hands, where their hands don't freeze up and get numb.
02:11:51.000Whereas a person like me from California, if I was in their environment, I would have a real struggle.
02:11:56.000But for them, it comes natural, and their body's adapted to this extremely harsh environment.
02:12:03.000Human beings are much more pliable than we give them credit for.
02:12:07.000That's the adaptive power which we have and never resort to because we live in a comfort zone, a kind of behavior, and we think we can control nature.
02:12:21.000But as long as we do not control what makes us happy, strong, and healthy, we have no control at all.
02:13:18.000We need the harsh to appreciate the mellow.
02:13:21.000We need hard things to appreciate soft things.
02:13:25.000We need violence, I think, sometimes to appreciate peace.
02:13:29.000There's something fascinating about human beings that we almost are designed to overcome.
02:13:35.000And if we do not overcome, we find ourselves lost.
02:13:39.000Yes, and it's all about consciousness.
02:13:43.000Being aware of life itself, which is a wonder.
02:13:48.000So we are going to bring it back first chemically and then make understandable that consciousness and love are the best things on earth, accessible for everybody.
02:14:01.000Now, are you experiencing over, like, how, what has been the last, like, few years?
02:14:07.000Like, what has it been like where people are awakening themselves to your accomplishments and your work and your belief?
02:14:14.000It seems like is at least me on the outside becoming more and more aware of you.
02:14:19.000It's like I'm getting people tweet at me all the time with your videos and articles about you and all these different people ask me about getting you on.
02:14:27.000It seems like there's an awakening that's going on.
02:14:30.000How much of a requirement has that been on your time and you?
02:14:34.000And what does that feel like to you, to have all these people sort of like overwhelmingly coming after you now?
02:16:35.000And once it begins to establish the love continuously, without fear of disease, without fear of being unhappy, without fear of having no energy, etc., then the love will bloom.
02:16:50.000Because that's the natural flower of every person.
02:17:19.000I share that idea and I've been saying to people for a long time that one of the things that makes me so enthusiastic and so optimistic about the future is the fact that we can reach kids now in a way that we couldn't reach them before.
02:17:31.000We can reach kids with ideas and with open-mindedness and with just massive amounts of information that just weren't available before.
02:17:38.000That if you can change their opinion or inform them or expose them to new ideas that generate new creative ideas inside them Then you have broken the system and this system that's designed to carve paths that have already been They've already been traveled and then you know I want to be a lawyer just like my dad and you get on that same fucking path and you get stuck and And I think now there's an infinite number of paths and they're branching off into infinite different directions
02:18:12.000And I think we live in a beautiful time because of that.
02:18:15.000Because a guy like you in Holland can get your ideas out.
02:18:19.000You see, I do a few things and then all of a sudden people know about it and then it spreads.
02:18:23.000And then you connect with other people and you connect to me and I connect to the internet.
02:18:27.000And then it connects us and then there's people that are...
02:18:30.000Practicing what you do, and then they're going to tell their friends, and they're going to tweet about it and write blogs about it, and boom, boom, boom, and make videos, and then it's overwhelming.
02:18:39.000It becomes overwhelming, and then it becomes a natural part of life.
02:20:14.000Is there anything that people should read that you've done or watch besides the Vice documentary?
02:20:22.000Is there anything else that you recommend people check out?
02:20:26.000You know, this study, which we did, It's actually the first study that showed that the autonomic nervous system in relationship with the endocrine systems and immune systems are deeply able to be influenced.
02:22:27.000You know, I just think guys like you...
02:22:29.000I mean, I want to say guys like you, but I don't know anybody else like you.
02:22:32.000But I think what you've done is so amazing and so important because out of all these human beings, of all this stuff that's going on, all the different activities and interactions, all the different thoughts...
02:22:43.000It just takes one person to step out with a new, unique idea that could be completely revolutionary and change the way people behave and the way people interface with nature.
02:23:07.000We are all on the same mission, bringing back love and confidence that we are able to do, you know, to be a part of this wonder.
02:23:16.000Well, anything you ever need tweeted or put on Facebook or put on the podcast, just let me know and you got an open invitation to come back anytime you want.