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00:00:03.000Before we get started, let me just say the shirt that I'm wearing, Hunt to Eat shirt, is my friend Giannis Poutelis' shirt, and you can get one.
00:00:11.000You can get a 15% discount if you go to hunttoeat.com and use the discount code ROGAN. There you go.
00:06:53.000It's like, you look at it and it doesn't really look like, if it doesn't, if camouflage doesn't look like anything, then that's the best, I would say.
00:07:22.000Not one of those, like, goofy, look like the swamp, well, you still look like the swamp thing, but we're, you would just, like, veg up and match your exact surroundings.
00:08:21.000Like, based on how far away from your prey you might be, because, like, that kind of stuff, you know, it's made for a tree stand, and it looks cool, and you're up in the tree, and you could probably wear a blaze orange pumpkin suit, and they wouldn't see you anyways.
00:10:23.000Because the thing is, you know, I think a lot of people, too, like a lot of hunters, they've got, like, this debate on what's ethical for distance and other things.
00:10:32.000I think it just depends on the situation.
00:10:35.000I've taken a few animals at what I would consider like the edge of ethical range, but yet I've never lost one.
00:10:44.000But the only animal that I've ever not recovered was like 30 yards, you know?
00:10:48.000So anything can go wrong at any distance.
00:10:50.000It's just, I think it's one of those things.
00:10:52.000Because I think when you take a further shot, you're banking on, you're paying maybe more attention to all the exact things and not just getting like, oh, it's close, it's going to happen.
00:11:02.000Is that one of the biggest issues that you have?
00:11:04.000Because I know you take out really new hunters sometimes.
00:11:09.000One of the bigger issues must be having them make a correct shot.
00:11:14.000Yeah, that's the hard part, because I think if you're a new hunter, you may not expect the reactions that you're going to have in the moment.
00:11:24.000You can shoot at the range all you want, you can do all this other stuff, but you can't factor in that emotion of when you're about to take an animal's life, and that's...
00:11:33.000That's something you can't practice, you know?
00:12:04.000Yeah, beta blockers are something that performers use.
00:12:08.000I've never experimented with them, but I recently got a prescription because I just want to see what the deal is.
00:12:14.000I'm trying to figure out when would be a good time to try it.
00:12:17.000I would think like archery elk would be like the perfect time to try it because your heart rate is just jacked, your adrenaline is flying, your nerves are crackling.
00:12:28.000Like I think Archery, elk hunting, probably the most nervous I've ever been next to, like, martial arts competition.
00:13:51.000And they talked about how difficult it is to perform in front of live audiences.
00:13:55.000And then they discovered beta blockers.
00:13:57.000And then the guy was saying, like, it just changed my life.
00:14:00.000He said, now I take a beta blocker and I can perform easily the way I perform in the studio when we're practicing in front of thousands of people.
00:14:24.000I don't know what it is or what they're feeling, but if you are just out there observing an animal or don't really care, don't get that excited...
00:14:31.000It's almost like some people will go, right before I was going to shoot, it ran off.
00:14:36.000It's because as that excitement level grows and you freak out, I feel like they sense that energy.
00:14:42.000They've got a different way of feeling their environment.
00:15:39.000What that means, for people who don't understand what I'm saying, is if you go from a fish's gills and draw a straight line back to their tail, there's actually a line there.
00:15:51.000And that line is just all like nerve endings, right?
00:15:54.000Yeah, sensitive nerve endings that pick up.
00:15:57.000Things that we can't detect in the water.
00:17:40.000Verizon is a fiber optic line and I believe it's done like the internet.
00:17:45.000It's Verizon Fios because they have Verizon fiber optic internet service.
00:17:52.000And for whatever reason, I don't know what it was, whether it's some sort of a deal that they couldn't make or whether they're actually trying to force out.
00:18:01.000That's what people are worried about, that they're forcing out hunting and fishing shows and they're just removing them because they don't like it or they think it's distasteful or maybe someone at the very top is an animal rights person.
00:18:21.000But that would suck if you really enjoyed watching those shows, which I do, and all of a sudden Verizon says, oh, well, this isn't on, but hey, you can watch some fucking fake reality show on people that fake live in the woods on the Discovery Channel,
00:18:38.000because that's what they're recommending.
00:22:02.000That I really like because it has an option for direct heat where you crank it up and the fire gets really high and then you put those grill grates down.
00:22:12.000I remove this heat diffusion plate for slow cooking.
00:22:18.000You take that out and then the fire goes right under the grill grates.
00:22:20.000It's amazing for steaks, for anything.
00:22:53.000Yeah, I had one that I used that was like, what is that one company that makes a lot of like smoking and hunting style stuff and they make vacuum sealers.
00:23:25.000It wasn't like there was any benefit to doing it the other way.
00:23:31.000But I think there is something about a real wood smoker.
00:23:35.000Like when I watch those barbecue competitions...
00:23:38.000There's something about figuring out how much to open up that little door to make the air go in just enough to keep that temperature steady, and they're checking out.
00:23:48.000There's something that men do with fire.
00:23:52.000There's some weird thing, like if you're at a fire, like a campfire, and you're hanging around with a bunch of people, like a guy who can make a fire good, you're like, oh, you fucking nailed it.
00:24:26.000I think it's just like, it's a primal thing that you know if you have a fire you're going to survive through the night, whether it's cold or whatever.
00:24:41.000Ranella, when he was here, he was here a couple weeks ago, and as he was here, he got a text from his friend that they had just taken this kid out, like I think he's 18 years old, on his first hunt ever.
00:24:54.000While he's in a tent, he gets attacked by a 500 pound predatory black bear.
00:24:59.000He wakes up to this bear biting his head.
00:25:02.000He's screaming, his friend rushes in, shoots the bear, But it goes through the bear and shatters his elbow.
00:27:24.000I remember that there was one episode where you slept inside this ancient Indian structure, this ancient Native American structure that you found in Nevada.
00:27:33.000And I was like, that has got to be one of the fucking coolest things you could ever do.
00:29:18.000If you go hunting, say if I'm on Meat Eater or something like that, Maybe it's because I know, but it's like you're really aware that Steve has a crew.
00:29:28.000There's a production crew, there's PAs, there's guys that are carrying stuff, there's interns, there's, you know, like when we would go hunt, there would be like two guys with cameras that would be following us around.
00:29:40.000Like when I'm by myself, I run, the other thing I do is I try to do everything like what I call like live spine, live stream.
00:29:47.000So It's more important for me to get the footage of what's going on than actually have things work out, I guess, and be successful.
00:29:56.000And so, I mean, I've got two cameras and I try to set things up and it's really tough, but it's so much, it's like you're right there because there's no filter.
00:30:08.000You might see a camera in a shot, and you might see this other stuff, but it's all...
00:30:12.000Like, that's what it's like to be out there by yourself, I guess.
00:30:15.000Yeah, well, there's this weird feeling of connection to nature that you get on your show that I don't think you get in that depth on other shows, because I know you're by yourself.
00:30:26.000Like, I feel like this sort of element of solitude and kind of danger.
00:30:31.000When you're talking to the camera, you're just talking to yourself.
00:30:37.000You're trying to figure out how to sneak up on some big bedded mule deer, and you're trying to put it all together, and at the same time you're filming it, which has got to make it twice as hard, right?
00:30:47.000I think it's kind of one of those things you hear hunters that are maybe rifle hunting, and then they get into bow hunting because of the challenge or whatever.
00:30:54.000And then once I started filming things, I thought, this is the challenge.
00:32:05.000I might get a shot or two with the GoPro on a bow depending on where I'm at, but...
00:32:10.000So it would be illegal to have a GoPro on the bow, but you could probably have it on your head?
00:32:15.000Yeah, it's a gray area in some places.
00:32:18.000Because it's not like an electronic aid, like a sight light.
00:32:22.000I think a lot of states have rewritten...
00:32:25.000The definition because people wanted to put cameras and things on their equipment, but I don't know.
00:32:31.000So the idea was that archery is supposed to be more difficult and any sort of electronic gadget that you would add that would make it easier would be an unfair advantage and it wouldn't make archery season a little easier and archery season is supposed to be tougher.
00:33:20.000I mean, I've taken guys out that I've never hunted with a crossbow, but not that I have anything against them, but I feel like they just weren't as effective as a regular bow.
00:34:12.000In which case, superior weapon of choice.
00:34:15.000One of them that I saw recently had these handles built into it.
00:34:22.000Where you pull the handles out, they're on drawstrings, and then you hook the handles to the cord, the string, and then you pull it back with that and then latch it in place.
00:34:55.000Yeah, those are cool, like those old ones that they used to have.
00:34:58.000When you see, like, when they first invented them, and there was like a stick that was like a lever that was holding it back, and it worked on this sort of a locking mechanism, and tunk!
00:35:08.000And they would shoot these bolts, like in Game of Thrones style, like those type of crossbows.
00:36:27.000Well, every time bows come out every year, like Hoyt just came out with their new 2016 line of bows, and they have to come out with new names, you know?
00:37:42.000Yeah, because the tolerances would have to be so minute, and so kind of everybody's goal, I think, is to just build two bows that are exact.
00:37:50.000But they all, the way, because things are constantly moving, the limbs are flexing, and the risers are moving, and everything is just so, there's such a science behind a simple tool like a bow.
00:38:04.000But when you start putting wheels and cams and all kinds of things on it, just the amount of engineering that goes into it is insane.
00:38:10.000Yeah, well, the people say that it'll change based on what kind of strings you use.
00:38:13.000Like, if you switch to winner's choice strings, it's like a real high-tolerance string, and some people prefer the strings that it comes with, and guys will switch back and forth, and adjust their draw length by a quarter of an inch at a time, and monkey around.
00:38:29.000You can geek out on that stuff if you really want to.
00:38:31.000I always just kind of get it how I like, and...
00:40:35.000When you're shooting a bow, it really is like a form of meditation in a lot of ways.
00:40:42.000For people that are listening to this, if you have no desire ever to hunt, you might be a vegetarian and no desire to eat meat, just try archery for fun.
00:40:50.000You know, it is a really fun, rewarding discipline because it does something.
00:40:58.000When you are locked onto that site or locked onto that target, rather, And everything has to be perfectly aligned and then you release that arrow and then it soars and thunk!
00:41:34.000And they survived by hunting with a bow.
00:41:38.000So I think every human being that's alive has the echo of that DNA in their system, the echo of the memories of the people that survived by arrowing a deer and then the whole family got to eat.
00:41:50.000Whereas if you didn't, you didn't fucking eat.
00:41:53.000I mean, when bows were the only things that you had, the feeling that they must have had when they were trying to survive thousands of years before everybody even bothered writing things down, and they released that arrow and it thunk.
00:42:06.000Right into the heart of an animal and you knew you were eating now.
00:42:09.000You're probably fucking starving when you shot it.
00:42:14.000I think even if you don't want to hunt and you have no desire to kill an animal, it's way better than shooting it.
00:42:21.000If you shoot a three-pointer, it's kind of cool, but it's nothing like an arrow going into a target.
00:42:27.000It's accentuated multi-times or multi-fold for whatever reason.
00:42:33.000When I first started shooting a bow, I was just a kid, and I didn't know anybody that had bows, but I'd watch this guy, his name was Byron Ferguson, and his whole thing was just be the arrow.
00:42:44.000Instinctive shooting was just a long bow.
00:43:26.000It kind of makes sense if you get to a certain point.
00:43:28.000I guess probably a tennis player must get to that point, too, where you have the same racket for so long, and you know the weight of a ball, and you kind of know where the ball's going because you hit it so many times.
00:43:40.000You've done that motion so many times that if you watch Roger Federer or some of the great tennis players, they must have a feel for where that ball's going that far surpasses what a guy like me who never plays tennis could ever be able to understand.
00:43:54.000Because I think there's a certain point where your brain doesn't work fast enough for the situation.
00:44:01.000So that's where our instincts kick in.
00:45:40.000What he's done is he's found a way to mimic what he believes is the ancient way of holding arrows.
00:45:47.000He believes they held them in their fingers, and then they would just be able to reload, like, really quickly.
00:45:53.000They developed, like, very good finger dexterity, whereas we always think of it as, like, a quiver, and you reach back, pull one out of the quiver, and he's like, that takes too much time.
00:48:17.000It's just a fascinating thing that someone figured out a long time ago, that you could attach a string to a stick, and if you pull that stick back, it's got energy that goes...
00:49:12.000I kind of didn't rifle hunt for a long time, and then once I started filming my own hunts, I was like, hmm, I might just pick up this rifle and make it.
00:49:20.000I mean, it depends where you're hunting, too, because when I go on a rifle hunt, a lot of times I'm going into a place that is so hard to hunt Even sometimes just getting there is a challenge and then finding one animal is a challenge.
00:49:35.000And then getting to where you could shoot that animal and then taking it with a rifle.
00:49:39.000And I've been on a lot of bow hunts that are a thousand times easier than many of the rifle hunts I've done.
00:49:45.000So there's kind of a thought where a lot of times I'll go on a hunt and take a rifle, not because it makes it easier or it might...
00:49:55.000It wouldn't be impossible with a bow, but it's...
00:49:58.000It's just, it's so challenging in the first place that the challenge is there.
00:50:02.000Well, you're doing it in a completely different way than anybody else, because as you said, you're filming pretty much every hunt.
00:50:08.000I mean, there's other hunts where I've gone on, and I haven't, you know, or might not be filming, but you go into an area with such low densities that you might have to walk 100 miles before you even see an animal.
00:50:20.000Well, that was one of the episodes you did recently.
00:50:24.000You went on purpose to a low-density area.
00:50:28.000Yeah, just because I was thinking, eh, no one else is going here.
00:50:32.000So that's why you went, just because you knew you were going to be alone.
00:50:35.000Yeah, it was going to be hard, and I thought, well, I'll just stick it out and see what happens.
00:50:38.000There's one episode of Rinella's show where he went elk hunting, and everywhere they looked, there was hunters.
00:50:43.000There was orange vests coming up this hill, going down that hill, going towards these elk, and I'm like, wow, that's a drag for two reasons.
00:50:51.000One, because it becomes a competitive race to try to get to the elk first.
00:50:56.000But also, too, you don't know these guys.
00:51:58.000It's a little more predictable in one sense, but you're in a natural environment hunting an animal as the animal exists.
00:52:06.000And that, to me, is what it's all about.
00:52:09.000I like to be out there a lot of times by myself and not see another person.
00:52:14.000Yeah, there is a big difference between the way animals act when they're not hunted around people.
00:52:21.000I was in Boulder and my wife and I were visiting this house, visiting these people, and we went to the backyard and this fucking giant mule deer in velvet is just walking straight towards us.
00:53:13.000They've seen deers in our yard before, but they've never seen a big buck just standing on the side of the road.
00:53:19.000And we pulled over to the side of the road, and we got out of the car, and I said, well, I just want you to stay close to him because I don't think he'll do anything, but just in case, we'll stay on this side of the road, and he'll be on the other side.
00:53:28.000We're just separated by the road, and he's just looking at us.
00:53:55.000For me, part of hunting is just being in that place that's remote and wild and adventurous and a way to get away and be there by yourself and be in nature.
00:54:08.000So, I mean, obviously there's places that you hunt that are closer, but also I think my thing is just kind of going to places that aren't private ranches, that aren't just real wild places and going in there and working hard and trying to hunt animals that may not have seen people.
00:54:24.000Yeah, when you see something that hasn't seen a person or when there's just no people around, there's this weird moment when you lock eyes on them and you're seeing them and you don't have to exist.
00:54:38.000They would be doing exactly that same thing whether or not you were ever born and you enter into their world.
00:54:45.000And it's a very weird, I want to say like a transcendent experience.
00:55:04.000I think it's cool, too, because you see a different landscape than everybody else sees because, like, when you're hunting, you're never on a trail.
00:55:11.000You're going cross-country through places that someone else would never have a reason to be there.
00:55:17.000You know, so there's been a lot of places that I've been and sat down and thought, I wonder if anybody else has ever even been right here.
00:55:23.000I mean, maybe they've been in this area, but has anyone ever been right here and why would they be here if they weren't hunting?
00:55:30.000I was actually thinking about this the other day.
00:56:25.000Or why would it even think that that was food?
00:56:28.000Because I was eating, I was like, this isn't, I'm like in the middle of nowhere and eating a bag of potato chips going, these are some energy, this isn't bad.
00:58:35.000I think there's a lot of mushrooms that, yeah, will kill you dead, and then there's some that'll make you sick, and then there's some that just you can't really eat, and then there's some you can't eat.
00:58:42.000There's a few, though, that are pretty common that'll kill you dead.
00:59:42.000Yeah, I watched that Survivorman show, Les Stroud, and he would go, and he's a real expert in what you can and can't eat, and shockingly how little you could find.
01:00:07.000I've heard people say, like, oh, humans, our digestive system is more plant-based, which we're opportunistic omnivores as well as predatory omnivores.
01:01:14.000But when people say that you should only eat vegetables, I go, well, that doesn't make any sense either, because that's not evidence-based.
01:01:26.000But people that say that, they're almost always like animal rights people.
01:01:29.000They're almost always vegan, or they're almost always really into animals, and the idea that we don't have to consume animals, which I kind of see what you're saying.
01:01:38.000I don't agree with it, but I see what you're saying.
01:01:40.000But when you say that it's healthier, it's better for people, or it's...
01:02:11.000The real problem is we've fucked ourselves in this position, literally fucked ourselves into this position where we have 20 million people jammed into a city.
01:02:32.000I mean, we have these goddamn giant chunks of property that people are, you know, packed into, and apartment buildings, and houses, and fucking roads, and no one's growing a goddamn thing.
01:02:44.000And there's so many ornamental plants that have no utility, like, at all.
01:03:34.000The outside is this hard sort of husk that makes it quite a bit heavier.
01:03:39.000And you've got to chop through all that to get to the round brown piece, and you chop through that, and that's how you get the milk and the fruit, the coconut white stuff itself.
01:03:48.000But if one of those falls from 80, 90 feet up and hits you in the head, you're fucking gone, dude.
01:07:15.000We dodged so many bullets on that show.
01:07:18.000That show, man, I mean, they did a great job with, don't get me wrong, did a great job with stunts.
01:07:24.000They planned things out well in advance and they got approval from the network for every step of the way, but they dodged a lot of bullets.
01:07:31.000Was there anything on there that you thought to yourself, I kind of want to try that?
01:07:36.000Especially the car stunts, like flipping cars off the top of a building.
01:07:40.000Because they would flip them into these gigantic stacks of cardboard boxes.
01:07:45.000That's how they would do the car stunts.
01:07:49.000So they would have these folded up cardboard boxes and they would stack them like the size of a building, like two stories up.
01:07:56.000And they had a crew of guys that would go in there and stack these boxes.
01:08:00.000So they had boxes, like they'd have a cardboard box that was like, and the inside of it was like an X. And they would close the box up and then put another one on top of it.
01:08:08.000And close that box up, put another one on top of it.
01:08:09.000And they would have like stacked up 50 boxes high.
01:08:14.000And then they would flip these cars through the air off the top of like a 10-story building.
01:11:59.000So I recently went on a bear hunt and brought a meat thermometer with me and I ate some brown bear because I always hear that brown bear is inedible.
01:12:14.000And I'm just one of those people, I'm not going to believe it until I've tried it, because I've heard a lot of other things don't taste good.
01:15:53.000It's just weird that we have so many deer and elk over here, but yet when you buy meat, a good percentage of it is coming from New Zealand.
01:16:01.000Yeah, because you can't sell wild game meat in America that's wild.
01:16:07.000And I see the reason for it, because once you put a value on something, a monetary value, then people opt to break the law even more.
01:16:35.000Like when I spend $30 on a steak, I go, God, that was the best steak I ever had.
01:16:41.000When you spend $350,000 to shoot an endangered rhino and then eat it and then get death threats for the next six months pretty much every day.
01:16:50.000You're like, you're eating that steak on the house.
01:17:18.000See if you can find that video, Jamie.
01:17:20.000Because these guys are in a boat, and they're trying to get away, and this hippo's swimming after them, just charging in the water after them, and is right on their ass.
01:22:15.000It's just got a cool vibe, and even, like, there's Well, I guess the town is essentially 47 bars down Main Street, interspersed with sandwich and steak shops.
01:22:27.000So I guess, really, there's nothing not to like about it.
01:24:45.000You know, some animals will find you, they'll eat you, and that's a wrap.
01:24:49.000You know, and then everything keeps moving, keeps moving the same direction it always has, thousands and thousands of years.
01:24:55.000And then we think that the mountains themselves came about through seismic activity that forced the crust of the earth to shift and move upwards and to thousands and thousands of feet above sea level.
01:25:48.000What did you do for the mountain lion one?
01:25:49.000So, yeah, so the show is kind of, I see it as almost a natural history lesson, where we're looking at humans are, in my opinion, undoubtedly, The coolest species on the planet because we can adapt so many things that other animals do so well.
01:26:08.000But the other thing that we're looking at is how did humans become these top hunters?
01:26:14.000It's called apex predator, not that I'm the apex predator or that we're studying apex predators, but humans as a whole are pretty much at the top of the food chain.
01:26:22.000And we can look at everything a certain animal does or something in nature that's specialized and possibly try to mimic it in a way.
01:26:31.000And so with the mountain lion episode, what we did is the mountain lion is a very silent predator.
01:28:26.000The way it was explained to me is you're propelling forward off your toe, so that's giving you more ground force to push off at a running gait.
01:28:37.000Because if you land on your toe, you have to lean forward more and you don't have as much ground force exerted because you're using the inertia of the heel to roll forward and push forward.
01:30:48.000But yet, it's because we don't, we've, same thing, we no longer need to feel the ground, but we should be walking with our heads up looking around.
01:31:55.000It's only about six inches above the truck.
01:31:58.000Not too bad when you think about a whole tent in there.
01:32:01.000But if someone's going to climb up that ladder, at least you're going to hear it.
01:32:05.000I think if you've got a tent out and a bear comes and gets you in your tent, The statistical probability of that is so small that it was just bad timing.
01:32:41.000I close the vestibule but I leave a lot of the tent open, you know, vent it because I think a lot of people just close themselves in there and then your body creates sweat and steam and then nothing ever dries out.
01:33:19.000Where you literally did you didn't bring any food like there was some of your episodes where you were starving to death on TV. Yeah Yeah, I like to go light sometimes at my own detriment.
01:33:31.000I think you know there's times where Yeah, I think They always say hunt like you're hungry.
01:33:41.000I've done some research on things and your physiology changes.
01:33:48.000There's a lot of animals that only hunt when they're hungry.
01:34:10.000So when you walk into a place, if you walk into a grocery store or a restaurant or you're walking down the street and you're really hungry, you'll smell the turkey roasting a lot further away than you would...
01:34:19.000If you are on a completely full stomach, because your brain is not searching for food at that point.
01:34:25.000Yeah, my wife always says don't go grocery shopping when you're hungry.
01:35:43.000Yeah, and you basically were starving to death on TV. Yeah, and part of that was I had food with me on that one, but I was burning way more calories than I was taking in.
01:35:53.000Because you're hiking in the high country.
01:35:55.000Yeah, and it was rough, steep stuff, and I didn't bring enough food.
01:36:00.000But I also wasn't finding any deer, so I just kept staying on and didn't have enough food.
01:37:33.000Yeah, well, yeah, it devotes so much time, and you're eating, I call them like bitter leafy greens, just sticks and twigs, and it tastes like shit, you know?
01:37:43.000And how much calories can you get out of that, though?
01:37:47.000I mean, you can get enough energy, what I call it is like getting enough energy to go out hunting, because you at some point are going to want A substantial meal.
01:37:58.000And even just I mean, obviously, like three days, you can fast for, you know, you don't need that food.
01:38:05.000But when you're working and doing things, like if you were going out hunting, yeah, you're burning a lot of calories to try to get a bigger score that you can have for a longer period of time.
01:38:15.000Whereas foraging, you're just kind of constantly gathering.
01:38:18.000Little salads, like little salads with no dressing.
01:38:41.000I was like, this slug would probably be better than that.
01:38:45.000Now, when you ate the slug, and you said that there was a worm that you could possibly get, the brain worm, did you know about that beforehand?
01:42:45.000Yeah, because he was there and the first thing they teach you is like when you're with a dive buddy or whatever, these things, he's like, breathe.
01:42:53.000The first thing they tell you is breathe because you get up and you forget to breathe.
01:42:56.000Like everybody blacks out at the surface because it's almost like you figured out you really don't need air.
01:43:02.000It's just the mental aspect of thinking that you do.
01:44:59.000You need to kind of like lower your heart rate, kind of almost meditation style, lower your heart rate, get into a place where your body's ready for it.
01:45:08.000That's what they call mammalian dive reflex?
01:45:10.000Yeah, it's the same reflex that whales and all aquatic mammals use to hold their breath.
01:45:17.000And humans have the exact same dive reflex that whales have.
01:45:20.000Have you ever heard the theory of the aquatic ape?
01:46:02.000That's where it came from, that we literally evolved to be around water and we're around water, which kind of almost makes sense when you think about the fact that the high population centers are always around ports.
01:46:39.000I've done it before, and once I did this, like, learned from a guy who really knows what he's doing, I realized that everything I had done in the past probably should have killed me.
01:46:49.000It's like, the top ten things not to do, I did.
01:47:05.000So did you do the proper calculations?
01:47:08.000Like Bourdain was telling me he loves scuba diving.
01:47:11.000But he said one of the hardest things...
01:47:13.000Was learning the calculations, like you've been this deep for this long, so you have to go to this area and wait, and then go to that area and wait.
01:47:21.000There's calculations that you have to do to make sure you don't get the bends.
01:47:25.000You don't do that when you take a breath from the surface.
01:47:28.000Because when you're scuba diving, you're breathing compressed air.
01:47:31.000So as you go different depths in the water, the pressure changes on your body, so the amount of oxygen in that space changes.
01:47:39.000So if you take a breath, like if you dove down, Took a breath from compressed air and went up, your lungs would explode.
01:47:46.000That's why when you free dive, it's one breath.
01:47:48.000You can't be down there and go emergency sipping on oxygen and then shoot up to the surface because you'll float right up to the top and explode.
01:50:40.000You're going to use up your – so when you feel like you're out of air and you start panicking – Then you're gonna be out of air faster.
01:50:49.000Now, when you do it, and you dive down, and you go as deep as you can, and then you're spearfishing, do you have, like, a watch on that tells you, like, where you're at?
01:54:45.000It'd be like you announcing UFC and a bear coming in and eating the dude and just continuing on like, oh, something strange is going on out there.
01:54:53.000Nate Diaz has disappeared from the octagon.
01:57:03.000Because we use numbers with our optics like eight times or...
01:57:07.000They say an antelope has like eight power binocular vision, so you throw up your eight power binoculars and it's like what an antelope says.
01:57:14.000But they also obviously can see right in front of them when they're eating their food.
01:57:33.000That's one of the more fascinating things about vision is that so many different animals have different kinds of vision that have simultaneously evolved.
01:58:17.000With all of our technology, we cannot replicate it, and we don't know how they do it.
01:58:21.000But they have chromatophores in their skin, which is like pigment cells, and they can change the color of their skin, but because they have no bones, they can also adjust the shape instantaneously to match whatever's around them.
02:01:20.000That's what I was talking about earlier, as far as camouflage goes.
02:01:23.000We put so much science into camouflage, and this is...
02:01:28.000This is the et-all, be-all of camouflage.
02:01:31.000If we could figure that out, as far as any application for it, that's what we aspire to.
02:01:36.000And yet, with all of our technology, I hopped in a plane and flew all this way while I was, you know, emailing someone across the country simultaneously.
02:01:45.000Yet, we can't figure out how the octopus does that.
02:05:11.000Well, you've heard about the fish tank that was missing.
02:05:14.000The guy was missing some really expensive tropical fish, and he had two fish tanks across from each other, and they set up a camera, and he watched the octopus climb out of one tank, go across the floor, climb up the other tank, lift up the lid, climb inside, jack the fish, eat it,
02:05:30.000climb back out of the tank, go across the floor again, back into his tank.
02:05:35.000Yeah, the Denver Aquarium where we did this episode at had locks on the octopus tank top.
02:06:01.000Dude, if you saw that on the ground, if something just popped up like that on the ground and looked like that, you'd say, oh, this is obviously some sort of a poisonous fucking monster.
02:06:21.000And then the fact that it can go from black and white stripes to all tan and looking like a piece of coral to green and looking like algae.
02:06:58.000They recently discovered, I think within the last five or six years, they discovered these fossilized suction cups from an enormous octopus.
02:07:08.000And they think that at one point in time, the idea of the kraken Like, that was like a mythological creature that there was some enormous octopus that would take out boats and shit and kill people.
02:07:22.000They think there really was something that was that big now.
02:07:24.000Well, there's quite a few species of, like, even giant squid that we've never actually seen alive.
02:09:55.000I used to go there, look around as a kid, you'd find, see some cool stuff.
02:10:00.000Yeah, okay, so this was 2013 that they found this.
02:10:03.000So I was reading this thing about, it was on DIG, and DIG is a great website, like a portal to a bunch of other really cool articles, and it had one of them where they were saying they will never find all the dinosaurs because of the nature of gathering fossils.
02:10:20.000Fossils, they find apparently, see if you can find that article because I don't want to misquote it, but I think they were saying that they find two new species of dinosaur a month.
02:10:35.000I think the name of the article is, we'll never find all the dinosaurs.
02:10:40.000But I think that was one of the things that they were saying, was there are so many dinosaurs we're finding, but the nature of a fossil being discovered, or created rather, when we die, most likely we will not be fossils.
02:10:53.000We'll just rot, and then we'll get eaten by bacteria.
02:10:56.000Bacteria or whatever and rodents and whoever the fuck eats our bones and that'll be the end of it like if you leave I mean I'm sure many times you've stumbled across some bones out in the woods yeah there were some animal and you know what you're saying is just like what remains and if you came back in 10 years that'll be gone too yeah well think about a million years think about 10 million years now think about 65 million years the last time we had dinosaurs now think about 250 million years was another extinction event So,
02:11:27.000So, you see if you find what the number is, because if you scroll down, they were talking about, part of the article was how often they find...
02:11:39.000This is not the same article, although it has the same...
02:12:11.000Well, that's why it's amazing to me when they find something like that hobbit person, you know, that thing that they found in the island of Flores.
02:13:31.000We have this weird idea because we live in cities and like, you know, we think of hippos as being something with a tutu on and a fucking bow in its hair.
02:14:18.000Well, it's so crazy that we still keep them in captivity because we've always kept them in captivity.
02:14:24.000Because if we didn't ever have them captive, and we discovered them in the ocean, these super intelligent creatures, and we found out about their capabilities, we found out about their language, the fact they have dialects, the fact they live in these complex, ordered societies, they stay with the same pod for life,
02:14:42.000they have family, like deep connections with these other orcas that they consider their family, and then we just steal them, steal them and stick them in a fish tank.
02:14:51.000Communicate across the oceans through essentially whale internet.
02:14:54.000Yeah, it's not crazy and then we're assholes we stick them in a tank and fat people eat cotton candy and stare at them you Make it jump higher.
02:15:04.000This is a ripoff We're assholes we're fucking really shitty animals to do that to whales and to killer whales and It's really shitty.
02:15:15.000Well there was a thing that I was listening to this TED talk where they were talking about sustainable organisms and that a lot of the logic that we apply to hunting and trapping some organisms thinking that we're gonna help the food chain out doesn't wind up helping and one of them was whales that the Japanese had made this idea they had this idea Well,
02:15:39.000if we hunt a certain amount of whales, we'll have more fish and more krill, because the Japanese eat all these krill, or the whales, rather, eat all these krill, and if we hunt the whales, it'll help the krill and the fish population.
02:15:51.000But apparently, that's not the case, because one of the reasons why there's so much krill is because of the whales, because the whales will let loose these enormous shits.
02:16:02.000They come up and just shit these giant clouds of whale shit, and algae grows from that.
02:16:08.000And then the krill are attracted to the algae, and the krill eat the algae, and that's what sustains them.
02:16:13.000So when they started hunting the whales, it actually lowered the population of krill, and they had to put it all together.
02:16:41.000It's an impossible thing because we've already affected the landscape so much that nothing, I mean especially with non-native species and invasive plants and habitat deforestation and so many other things that the thought of just letting nature Run itself isn't even an option now.
02:17:05.000And then you even look at it even further and go, like, human hunters have been in the equation since all these animals have been here.
02:17:12.000When has the elk existed when humans haven't hunted it?
02:17:16.000I don't know an answer to that because there isn't one.
02:17:48.000There's still debate as to what happened to the woolly mammoth.
02:17:50.000Some people still think that it was humans.
02:17:52.000There was some paper that was recently published that was saying that there was evidence that they were coming into estrus younger and younger, and that this was because of hunting pressure.
02:18:03.000They believe it was because of hunting pressure.
02:18:05.000Could have been hunting from other predators as well.
02:18:09.000It was pure speculation, I mean, mixed with some evidence, but there's also some evidence that they died in a giant mass extinction that people like Randall Carlson have connected to an asteroidal impact.
02:18:22.000And it was also roughly the same time period as the end of the Ice Age.
02:18:27.000So they think that asteroidal impacts slammed into the Earth.
02:18:32.000And not just even global warming, but just massive asteroidal impacts all over the planet.
02:18:38.000That there was some sort of a mass extinction event worldwide that coincided with the end of the Ice Age and...
02:18:45.000The different eras of construction methods for things like the Old Kingdom in Egypt, giant archaeological digs like Gobekli Tepe.
02:18:58.000I'm having Randall Carlson and this guy Graham Hancock on.
02:19:45.000And then, between the time of him publishing that book and Randall Carlson coming around, and Randall Carlson's been dedicating his whole life to...
02:19:55.000Researching asteroid impacts and natural disasters that are caused by global collisions, you know, things coming from the sky and slamming into the earth.
02:20:04.000But he's amassed a giant database of factual evidence that, you know, from other sources.
02:20:12.000So it's not like him finding this stuff, but it's like they've discovered things like tritonite, which is, I think I'm saying it right, but it's a nuclear glass.
02:21:40.000Because the idea that those 30%, that we would be lucky enough to have people who are so innovative and so educated that they would be able to figure out how to restart civilization, no.
02:21:50.000I'm still not sure that this phone isn't somewhat magic.
02:22:03.000It just doesn't seem natural because people made it, but people are natural, and people's curiosity is natural, and the phone is just as natural as a fucking beaver dam.
02:22:14.000It's just some weird thing that a natural creature has figured out how to do when given enough time and enough source material, enough Sharing information with these other weird monkeys and one monkey figures out a diode and the other monkey figures out how to make glass and this monkey figures out how to forge metal and this monkey figures out how to write code and they all get together and next thing you know you got an iPhone.
02:22:40.000Or you got an iPhone you can watch an octopus on.
02:22:43.000Yeah, I mean, that's the other thing about the octopus is when all this shit has happened on Earth, as far as there was, I want to say where it I'm trying to remember when they've they've knocked it down to they believe that there was one point time There was only a few thousand human beings left on earth and it wasn't long ago It was like 70,000 years ago and they've coincided it with the Explosion of one of the world's great super volcanoes and
02:23:13.000that it put the earth into nuclear winter for a long period of time.
02:24:46.000I think that we're essentially like a technological cocoon, and then we're going to become some sort of an electronic, artificially created butterfly.
02:24:55.000I think that's one of the reasons why we have these inclinations towards materialism, because materialism feeds this desire to constantly innovate and continue to come up with newer, better shit.
02:25:06.000Like we were talking about with bows, like Cam Haynes' new bow.
02:26:07.000Dude, when I shot that elk that's out there in the lobby, and it was walking up the hill, and I'm hiding behind a tree at full draw for like 30 seconds as it's walking up the hill, and I know that it's going to be within 20 yards of me.
02:27:22.000Even if you have no desire to hunt, folks, I just encourage you, around September, find somewhere, whether it's Colorado or Utah or California, anywhere where there's elk are, and just have someone take you out near them and just listen.
02:29:38.000Awesome trees growing out of an animal's head.
02:29:40.000Well, between them and moose and elk, it's like, how did this happen?
02:29:46.000Where they evolved uniformly to have these, like, super similar, bizarre, tree-like growth growing out of their head that they only use when they're fucking.
02:30:18.000I've seen, well, at least red deer, but when they fight, and then the third one, when they get in a fight with three, and the one just kind of...
02:30:25.000Side punches him while they're fighting.
02:31:33.000If we didn't know octopus existed, and we're like, there's this animal in the ocean that shapeshifts and changes colors and inks and can look like other animals and is really smart...
02:31:43.000And we give it some crazy name, you know, and then we find it and it's just normal.
02:31:49.000Once we identify it and it's a real thing, it becomes boring.
02:32:54.000Yeah, that is the one disappointing thing about my friend Les Stroud, is that he's still looking for Bigfoot, doing that Survivorman Bigfoot show.
02:33:04.000I love that guy, but the guy he goes with, though, I think is a fucking total bullshit artist.
02:33:10.000I got approached by a dude, and I was at some show somewhere, doing like a trade show type thing.
02:33:16.000Guys like talking to me, like all serious about He had a business card too, which makes it real legit.
02:33:24.000He's like, I'm a squash hunter and he's talking about the family groups and he knows their intricacies and he can show me and he wants me to come out there and film it for solo hunting.
02:36:25.000In fact, they hunt them quite a bit up there now.
02:36:28.000Because they're having a lot of problems with them because they can't figure out what the real numbers are.
02:36:33.000Their grizzly problems are even bigger in Alberta because they don't have a season on grizzlies and grizzlies aren't scared of people at all because there's no season on them.
02:37:14.000I have some video of us driving to one of the locations we went to, and it's insane.
02:37:19.000Like, we're coming over this crest, and everywhere to the left and everywhere to the right is just a dense forest with no fucking people anywhere there.
02:37:26.000And a shitload of bears, and a shitload of moose, and a shitload of elk, and they just don't know.
02:38:06.000But if you want to hunt bears in Alberta, you have two choices.
02:38:11.000You either can't hunt them in the spring, because you'll never find them, or you hunt them in the fall when they're eating berries on hills.
02:39:31.000So there was a study recently that came out that I tweeted that was showing how there's way more grizzlies up there than they thought ever.
02:39:39.000Yeah, the grizzlies are one of those things where their overall range is diminished, but the places they are...
02:39:48.000I would maybe not go as far as overpopulating, but they're getting there.
02:39:55.000I know a lot of people that used to hunt certain areas and they say the grizzlies have gotten so bad that they just don't hunt them anymore.
02:40:01.000And a lot of that I just take with a grain of salt because I think some people just get overly spooked about things like that.
02:40:08.000But these are people that I trust and believe that they know what they're doing.
02:40:12.000They aren't Well, there's also that weird thing that happens when grizzlies get used to being around people and when people are shooting elk or deer and they hear a gunshot and they think it's a dinner bell.
02:40:22.000And they come running towards where the gunshot was because they know there's going to be a gut pile.
02:42:23.000Yeah, he was, and then he says, so then his son, they meet his son, they take him to this, there's one cabin there where there's year-round residents.
02:42:31.000And it was actually on, I think, Raspberry Island there.
02:42:37.000There's a German couple that lives there.
02:42:40.000And like he said, they brought him in the cabin and for some reason, I cannot remember exactly why, but the dude that owned the cabin ended up taking a chainsaw and cutting out the wall so the rescuers could come in and get a stretcher and like stabilize him because he was just dying on the table.
02:42:54.000And they take him to Kodiak Hospital to do all the surgeries, skin grafts, everything saved his life.
02:42:59.000He ended up buying the bear back at an auction and they made like a rug thing.
02:44:56.000The thing that I always remember when I think about grizzly bears is there's this video of a bear chasing a moose and chases the moose down, tackles it, And just starts eating it.
02:47:57.000Yeah, I mean, there's definitely, in one of the areas that I grew up hunting and guiding and all that stuff, yeah, the wolf population exploded in there, but also the elk population exploded after a fire because there's a huge dynamic between forest fires and...
02:48:18.000So one of the things that really hinders, and that's the thing that comes back to humans regulating too much, is we do fire prevention and try to prevent forest fires when huge forest fires increase populations.
02:48:33.000So there's a huge ebb and flow, and when we hinder that and try not to have fires, then animal populations decline, actually.
02:48:40.000So that's a huge thing, too, but that's a whole other topic.
02:48:43.000Well, it's the micromanaging of some incredibly complex systems that we don't totally understand, like forest fires or like predators.
02:48:53.000We've tried to keep predators away from certain types of prey to allow these animals to survive.
02:49:00.000The weird thing about it is when you really look at the overall population of animals on this planet, the animals that have ever existed, 90-something percent of everything that's ever existed is extinct.
02:50:20.000The wolf populations then explode, like elk populations explode, wolf population explodes, elk population drops, wolf population remains large.
02:50:30.000And you would almost think, well, over time, the wolves would...
02:50:36.000Start to die off, but they can also just become more nomadic, kill off an area, and then just move on.
02:51:59.000Like, even if you think of a horse, if you push a horse up a mountain, you can walk up a mountain faster than a horse over a long period of time.
02:52:09.000Whereas we sweat and we carry water and they're just like...
02:52:13.000I would have never imagined that because when I see people packing out with horses, I'm like, well, that's because the horses don't get tired.
02:53:05.000It's not just watch it on television if they have that Verizon Fios problem.
02:53:10.000Yeah, if you've got the Verizon Fios problem or you want maybe saw an episode, missed an episode, you want it, I know where you can get it.