Dr. Chris Ryan is joined by his wife to talk about pussy whips, catfishing, and the perils of calling your wife on your cell phone when you're not at work. Also, they talk about the weirdest thing a man has ever said to his wife, and why he thinks there's a God. Chris also talks about a guy who became a Catholic when he was in his 40s, and how his daughter realized she was a Christian because of her father's foot. They also talk about a man who became religious because of his daughter's foot, and what it means to be pro-religion and pro-right-wing. And Chris explains why he doesn't really believe in God, which is a weird thing to say for someone who grew up in the 70s and 80s. Enjoy the episode and don't forget to subscribe on Apple Podcasts and leave us a rating and review on whatever platform you're listening to it on your favorite streaming platform. If you like what you hear, share it with a friend, and spread the word to your friends and family about this podcast! Cheers, Chris and Ryan! XOXO, Chris & Ryan Music: "Pussywhipped" by Jeffree Star - "Goodbye Outer Space" by The Good Wife - "The Good Fight" by Ferg & The Good Fight (feat. Jeffree Stars - "Outer Space - "Coming Soon" by Squeals) Logo - "In My Words" by Kevin McLeod (featuring the Good Fight Clubhouse - "Ferg & the Good Wife" by Jake & The Bad Girl (Music: "In Your Face" by Chris Ryan) Logo by Chris and the Good Girl (c) is a production of Gimlet Media is a song written and produced by and is edited by , by . and & is (credited by ) and ( ) joins us on SoundCloud ( ) and is available on Soundcloud ( ) . , and is produced and produced and edited by Bobby Lord ( ) is also available on all major podcast directories and social media platforms, on Podchronicity ( ) on the Good Morning America ( ) by ), and is available everywhere else ( ) & has a blog post on this podcast is available for review and is also .
00:03:05.000He said that he was looking at his daughter's foot, and he realized that there's a God.
00:03:13.000I'm sure, given more time, he would like to express himself a little more clearly in that regard.
00:03:18.000But I have a feeling that a lot of these right-wing people that...
00:03:23.000That go pro-religion, where it doesn't make sense, where they're super analytical and rational and kind of calculated about other things.
00:03:34.000But then when it comes to religion, they just completely give in and don't question it.
00:03:40.000I feel like it's an affiliation thing.
00:03:43.000I feel like if you want to be affiliated with the right, you have to be religious.
00:03:46.000And I think that they recognize that, because they know that if you do that, if you blindly affiliate yourself with religion, and if you want to be, like, sort of ingrained in the right, you kind of have to be religious.
00:04:01.000There's very few people that are conservative or on the right that are atheists or agnostics.
00:04:44.000And it's almost like they've been fighting against the right so long, they've become their own version of that.
00:04:51.000They've been fighting against the religious right or the super ultra-conservative regressive right, that they've become the regressive left.
00:04:58.000And I think he's got some good points in that regard.
00:06:32.000That's true, but meanwhile the seats are what they are, and so for a very short amount of time, just think of it as an exercise in your inner thigh development.
00:06:40.000Just keep them pinched and work on like an isometric tension sort of a thing.
00:06:45.000I think about like putting someone in my guard, like I'm trying to hold a triangle.
00:06:50.000Well, look, I'll go with it if it becomes socially acceptable for me to put my hand down my pants and pull my balls up before I cross my legs, you know?
00:09:16.000There used to be a thing about Weichiru karate.
00:09:18.000Like Weichiru guys, supposedly they would have these katas, and in the kata they would be able to suck their balls up into their body to prevent them from getting kicked.
00:09:36.000Well, if a girl does it gentle, if she's good at it, and she's got the upward stroking thing while she's sucking on your sack, it's not a bad thing.
00:09:44.000I've never popped a woody on the show before.
00:10:07.000Well, because, I mean, for some reason, five minutes ago, I had the thought, like, I remembered some gay guy saying to me, like, gay guys give better blowjobs than women do.
00:11:15.000People have weird rules when it comes to things that they enjoy.
00:11:18.000But when it comes to sex, it's really hard for people to express what they enjoy.
00:11:23.000Yeah, I had dinner last night with a sex therapist and we were talking about that.
00:11:26.000And she's like, She was like, you know, I've got people come in, they've been married 25 years, and they've never talked about, like, what position works, you know?
00:11:35.000Or, you know, that she doesn't like it when you do that, and you've been doing it 25 years thinking she gets off on it?
00:12:15.000I mean, that's why all the nerve endings are there and, you know, all that business.
00:12:19.000But even that, like, you could argue that having it been co-opted and having it move away from just being about reproductive, just the pleasure being tied into...
00:12:31.000Being a reproductive mechanism, it's still about reproductive, even if it's socially, because in the social thing, it's one part of a greater pattern of things that's set in place to make sure that you have the preferred mate.
00:12:46.000You know, like socially as well, like seeing how someone interacts with someone socially, seeing how someone...
00:12:52.000All those things are like sort of set up this like...
00:12:57.000Very complex dance of interaction between men and women where you're trying to figure out what is the best case scenario for someone that you're going to get together with, that you're going to establish some sort of a really intense relationship and bond with.
00:13:13.000And the most intense, ultimately, at least the most...
00:13:17.000The most committed is having a child that you have to take care of together.
00:13:20.000Because then you're not just committed to it in the sense of, I love you and you love me, but now we have to take care of people.
00:13:27.000And so now we have to sort of abandon our own needs to take care of these people as well.
00:13:32.000And we've kind of gotten this position by virtue of our being able to socially jive with each other.
00:13:40.000Yeah, I would argue and have argued that in hunter-gatherer times, that sort of nuclear family thing that you're positing, the mother-father-child, is much more fluid.
00:13:53.000And so women weren't really that concerned about a mate in that sort of long-term sense.
00:14:00.000You're talking about like tribal situations?
00:14:02.000Yeah, foragers, which is 95% or more of our existence as a species, right?
00:14:09.000So what I argue in Sex at Dawn is that there's more dispersed responsibility for childcare, that food is shared, that defense is shared, everything's shared.
00:14:20.000And that really freaks out 20th century and 21st century Western scientists because it smacks of communism, you know?
00:15:33.000She's an author, and she was saying that women, like men, complain that sometimes when men and women are together for long periods of time, that the woman no longer wants to have sex.
00:17:57.000She's, you know, like you were talking about the porn star earlier, not this year as a porn star per se, but she's so sweet and nice and like...
00:18:08.000She's probably just unrepressed as well, you know?
00:18:10.000I mean, she's just, her life is so bizarre in comparison to the average person that sometimes, I think, we have all these like self-imposed borders that we put on our behavior.
00:18:22.000And I think that's one of the reasons why someone like her exists, like you're a release valve for all this pressure, this repression that a lot of it is self-imposed.
00:18:31.000And so they try to find some sort of an outlet for all their kinky, weird shit that really builds up, almost like a residue of our mundane, suppressed society.
00:18:41.000Yeah, and it builds up precisely because it's repressed, right?
00:18:45.000That's what this sex therapist last night was saying to me.
00:18:48.000If people have a way to express this energy, then it doesn't become problematic because it doesn't build up.
00:18:58.000If a dude wants to dress up in women's clothes or whatever, and his wife's cool with it, every once in a while he dresses up and is like, okay, whatever, that's cool.
00:19:05.000But if she would freak out, it starts to become a big issue in his life.
00:19:11.000Last time I was on, I think we talked about...
00:19:14.000I have this theory of how some people have a homosexuality fetish as opposed to being born homosexuals.
00:19:23.000Dude, I must have gotten 30 or 40 emails from men after that saying, Dude, that's me.
00:19:29.000I've never heard anyone describe that.
00:19:55.000I can't go to a therapist because they, by law, have to turn me in.
00:19:58.000The culture is so freaked about anything around sex and kids that we're shooting ourselves in the foot because we're not giving these guys away to let some of that energy vent off.
00:20:15.000I think we have to admit that there's something going on in the mind that causes this.
00:20:22.000And they have to figure out what that is.
00:20:24.000Well, almost always it's guys who got abused themselves.
00:20:47.000But my feeling is that it's like what we talked about last time with fetishes.
00:20:53.000There's a developmental period for boys, somewhere between 5 and 10 years of age, where an experience can imprint on you permanently.
00:21:04.000And so that could be expressed as, like, you need to smell latex to get off, or you need to be humiliated by somebody like Sierra, or whatever it is.
00:21:17.000Or it could be you want to have a sexual experience with a man, even though you're not gay, because you had that experience when you were seven and that imprinted on you.
00:21:29.000And that's what that goat-sheep thing is about, right?
00:21:33.000They wanted to understand, like, is this a male mammalian thing, right?
00:21:38.000And so that's why they're looking at different species where, yeah, these males...
00:21:43.000Even though they're goats, they were with sheep when they came of age sexually, and for the rest of their lives they can only fuck sheep.
00:21:51.000Well, what is it with women, then, if it's a male mammalian thing?
00:21:55.000Because many women, when they're young, if they're sexually abused, they associate sex with worth, and they become hypersexual at a very early age.
00:22:06.000They're more prone to masturbating at an early age.
00:22:15.000With the males, I think, and of course there are many exceptions to what I'm saying, but I think with males it's more just a question of imprint.
00:23:38.000When it comes to how they interface with society.
00:23:41.000How do you figure out a way that you recognize the fact that they do have this issue and this issue was an imprinting issue because of sexual molestation as a young person?
00:23:57.000And somehow or another, I mean, I wonder what, if anything, could fit.
00:24:02.000I mean, I wonder if they've ever done any studies on psychedelics, like really intense ones, like iboga, things along those lines, like how that reacts to people or how people react to that when they have those kind of issues.
00:25:09.000And that when your brain reboots, you're left with a blank desktop with one folder in it.
00:25:15.000And that folder's labeled my old bullshit.
00:25:18.000And then in that my old bullshit folder, you have to decide, like, what do I do?
00:25:23.000Do I look at this folder and look at it like an outsider and just try to see what is useful, if anything, about my old bullshit?
00:25:32.000Or do I fall right back into these comfortable old patterns because those are all I've known for X amount of years of my life until now?
00:25:39.000I think for a lot of people, they have these big...
00:25:43.000Experiences and these big breakthrough moments and then they go I'm gonna be new I'm gonna be different I'm gonna change and then it's too uncomfortable and then there's too much time between that experience in the next one and they slowly slide right back into my old bullshit yeah at least at least Partially,
00:26:01.000Yeah fall fall prey to the victim of the patterns of their past That's why it's so cool to have ritualized, sort of culturally-approved use, like the peyote and the Huicholangians, right?
00:26:16.000Where every year they go to the desert, and as they're going out to gather the peyote, every night around the fire they confess everything they've done that year that was wrong.
00:26:32.000You know, and then they take the peyote and they have that experience, which, you know, I think that sort of sequential ritual helps to seal in the changes, the benefits, you know?
00:26:45.000Whereas with us, like, okay, you go to Peru, you do it, you're back.
00:26:48.000You know, you're back in your old patterns.
00:26:50.000Yeah, we've talked about this before, rites of passage, you know, rites of passage for adults, that I think that these moments of celebration and ceremony, that sometimes they can be like really beneficial because they physically mark like a big change in your life.
00:27:05.000Like it makes this thing, this new thing that becomes a part of your life.
00:27:11.000My phone has decided to transcribe everything I'm saying here.
00:29:30.000And the main reason I ordered it is they've also got this...
00:29:34.000I forget what it's called, FY or something.
00:29:36.000It's a plan that they only do with their phones, where it's $20 a month, unlimited text and voice, and then you pay, I think it's $10 a gig for data.
00:29:47.000But it automatically picks whatever network is strongest where you are, so it flips from Verizon to AT&T to Sprint, whatever, as you're moving.
00:29:57.000As soon as you get home, it automatically goes to your Wi-Fi.
00:31:59.000Fly to this gigantic campus that's worth billions of dollars as you siphon up all the world's resources and develop the Ubermunch robot killing machine.
00:32:19.000Well, you know, that was like the argument for, there's a lot of these festivals, like South by Southwest, you know, that they put on these gigantic festivals, and they don't pay the artists.
00:33:08.000You're under the impression that this is a paying gig.
00:33:27.000We've been going back and forth, and I have to ask you, like, you know, by the way, my standard fee is X. Oh, no, this is because you get to meet all these great people.
00:33:37.000Yeah, but you're charging money for tickets.
00:33:39.000Like, people have to pay to go to this thing.
00:33:52.000I mean, Jamie and I were just discussing that actually before the show started about these companies that are trying to capitalize on podcasts where they're coming along and they're trying to take a piece of the action.
00:34:02.000And offer some non-existent service that's going to connect you with more fans in exchange for a piece of the show.
00:34:09.000And I'm like, they're just banking on the fact that it seems good because it's a big company.
00:34:15.000Like there's something attached to being attached to a big company.
00:36:40.000I don't even know what you just said, but I got to get the fuck away from you before you hit me with some emails about some shit that I don't give a fuck about.
00:39:20.000If you could put on a good educational program, they actually pick up some stuff from it.
00:39:25.000Some of the little kid shows that they have today, they have little lessons that the kid can learn about how to be nice and what's the benefit about telling the truth when you made mistakes and not getting upset at people and that kind of stuff.
00:42:00.000They're changing the DNA. It's a fascinating thing that porn has literally changed the way girls groom their pubic hairs almost universally.
00:43:02.000And she just had just, like, massive suppression from Catholic school and just looking for an outlet.
00:43:09.000And her outlet was any boy that, like, showed her attention.
00:43:12.000Like, it was good for me early on to, like, date a girl who's, like, super promiscuous because it, like, lowered my expectations about, like, girls cheating on me or cheating in general.
00:43:23.000Like, we kind of made some sort of agreement somewhere along the line that we'd never be, like, official boyfriend and girlfriend.
00:43:32.000But one time, she broke up with this guy, and she came over to my house, and we were getting ready to do it, but she wouldn't take her pants off.
00:44:09.000Like, I remember thinking, like, she was embarrassed because another guy, I mean, she was 18. She was embarrassed that another guy had made her do this and that I was going to see and I was going to think about this other guy.
00:44:22.000Honestly, for whatever reason, I've never been that guy.
00:44:44.000They'll describe her to friends like, she was like, you know how a kitten, you could like roll a ball of yarn in front of them and they just have to dive on it?
00:45:24.000Every woman had a month in her life where she would have to go and serve the gods of Greece by being on the steps of the temple fucking every man who wanted to fuck her.
00:45:55.000Like, we talked about in Sex and the Time, we talked about the Kulina, I think, who, like, these men would go out on hunting parties, like, four or five days, you know, a few guys, and a woman would go with them to cook and, you know, keep the camp good when they're out hunting and fuck them when they got back to camp to,
00:46:23.000You were talking earlier about how our culture, we repress all this really natural stuff and make it a problem when it doesn't need to be a problem.
00:46:33.000I've always wondered why that is and I wonder if it has anything to do with our our need for Innovation and for like growth and for productivity and if the idea of Like,
00:46:49.000somehow suppressing sexuality makes people concentrate on being more productive and more successful, so that way you can kind of earn sex.
00:46:59.000And if sex was more free, you wouldn't get as much done.
00:47:03.000And I wonder if it's some sort of a weird workaround that...
00:47:08.000Almost like the construction of this advanced civilization is sort of...
00:47:13.000It's like it's invented this path that sort of ensures productivity.
00:47:18.000And one of the best ways to do that is to make people compete in a very efficient and ferocious way for the attention of women.
00:47:28.000And if the attention of women was easily achieved, there would be less ambition and there would be less...
00:47:38.000More materialism that leads to a more obvious expression of that materialism like you want the big house you want the nice watch you want the Nice shoes and the nice clothes and in wanting all those things You want all those things because sex is like difficult to achieve and if sex was easy to achieve you'd be a little bit more relaxed and your needs because like ultimately the physical needs kind of like Trump all the other stuff.
00:48:04.000You know, like, do you want a nice watch?
00:49:41.000But that in 2013, he had proposed selling off public land to pay for the debt that our corrupt politicians have fucking established in this country, right?
00:49:52.000Well, Teddy Roosevelt had set aside all these national parks and all this...
00:49:58.000That's incredible, because we could all go there.
00:50:01.000I mean, we have these areas of our country that are owned by the citizens.
00:50:06.000So, like, you can go to Yellowstone, you can go to all these different national state parks, national and state parks, and you can go fishing, you can go fucking kayaking, you can go camping.
00:50:16.000And there's politicians that have proposed selling off all this potentially very valuable land to large corporations to pay off a lot of the tax debt or the deficit debt.
00:50:30.000The problem with that is, first of all, it's never going to pay it off, because we owe fucking trillions of dollars.
00:50:35.000They tried to explain it, that if every man, woman, and child in this country gave every penny that they own, we would still be trillions of dollars in debt.
00:51:14.000That's another thing that the right almost universally does.
00:51:18.000They almost universally support big businesses that impede on public lands and frack and do a lot of things that are potentially damaging to the environment.
00:52:33.000Thousands of scientists that have been studying this for decades and they're convinced that there's some shit going down and that it has a direct relationship, whatever percentage that relationship is, whether it's 5% or 6% or 1%, but there is a relationship between modern,
00:52:49.000industrialized civilization and the warming of the planet.
00:52:54.000They believe, this is scientists that have looked at the data and say, well, maybe there's some cycle going on, but that cycle may in fact be Accentuated by human beings in our activity and we might be speeding this up along and it might have this effect that is like this effect where like there's some concern about the polar ice caps.
00:53:16.000Have you heard that concern that As they melt, they create pools, and as those pools reflect water, it exacerbates the situation, and everything goes in this exponential rate, and it starts, instead of looking at it like, oh, we're losing, yeah, there's tipping points.
00:53:31.000Instead of, we're losing X amount of feet per year.
00:53:33.000Well, actually, once it hits this area, and then comes water, and then the water reflects light, then it gets even warmer, then everything gets crazy.
00:53:50.000There's been a bunch of them that they found recently, where they go near coastal cities, and they're out scuba diving, and they go, what the fuck is this?
00:54:00.000And they find, oh, well, 5,000 years ago, this was a city, and now it's underwater.
00:54:05.000Sea level's about 300 feet higher than it was 12,000 years ago.
00:54:09.000Yeah, I'm sure there's all sorts of reasons for that.
00:54:11.000And I'm sure that has nothing to do with industrialized civilization.
00:54:15.000Well, that's because of the Ice Age ending.
00:55:20.000Well, there was an article that I tweeted the other day that's even more terrifying.
00:55:24.000They were talking about the potential for long, frozen viruses and bacteria that we cannot control and that we don't have any immunity being released as global warming sort of...
00:55:38.000Washes over these fucking dead wool mammoth carcasses and shit.
00:56:42.000I mean, I'd have to be off the grid, right?
00:56:44.000So if I'm off the grid and I'm going to live the way I live, I would have to figure out a way to make a living so I'd have to have the kind of resources that I have which are really dependent upon a city.
00:57:17.000And we understand how reproduction works, so we could stop having babies if we want to.
00:57:21.000What do you think of the argument that as technology increases and as people become more and more centrally located in cities and that's happening in all these urban areas and these That people will be more concerned with their careers and that I've read that there is a concern that the population will actually decrease dramatically because as people become more concerned with their careers and more ingrained in the civilized urban life that
00:57:52.000they'll be less and less likely to breed.
00:58:27.000I'm talking about women in Pakistan who have absolutely no power or anything.
00:58:31.000So as they get educated and have more access to resources and so on, they'll have fewer kids.
00:58:37.000And a lot of places in the world right now, population growth is below zero.
00:58:42.000Japan, Spain, France, you know, the Nordic countries.
00:58:45.000Which is why the whole migration thing is...
00:58:50.000There's a bit of a bait and switch going on there because...
00:58:56.000They're complaining that they don't want immigrants, but they know they need immigrants because there aren't enough young people to support the old people.
00:59:13.000There's a serious issue with different religious factions battling it out in all these European countries now.
00:59:19.000There's a giant Muslim population in France.
00:59:22.000Have you ever seen that video where this guy walks around Paris dressed as a Jew, a very obvious Jewish person, and he walks through these Arab neighborhoods and just gets...
00:59:37.000And I asked Ari about it, and he's like, it's been pretty well documented that a lot of these places that have allowed pretty much anyone to immigrate to, that they develop these communities.
00:59:51.000And in these communities, they, you know, essentially hold on to some of the worst aspects of wherever they're from.
00:59:57.000And it's only part of the communities.
00:59:59.000But if you go through those parts of those communities, you're going to find those people.
01:00:38.000So there's no way that was Bering Strait, right?
01:00:40.000So now they're thinking, well, like I was saying earlier about the diaspora from Africa, it seems it's much more complicated than the story of...
01:00:48.000Bering Strait and then spreading out from there.
01:00:51.000Because, yeah, they came over in boats.
01:00:52.000Well, that was always an issue with the Olmec people, right?
01:01:07.000Yeah, and they think that it's very possible that this is all Graham Hancock's area of expertise, and him and Randall Carlson will be on on the 19th, and I'm really psyched about that.
01:01:20.000That's always a mind-bender of a podcast.
01:01:29.000With evidence, photographs and core samples of how radically the Earth's temperature changed around 12,000 years ago.
01:01:37.000And he believes that it corresponds directly with some sort of an asteroidal impact.
01:01:44.000But one of his things, when he said everyone's concerned about global warming, and he's like, global warming is a real issue, no doubt about it.
01:04:24.000I've only been there once, and it was because I was invited to speak at Sydney Opera House in this thing they do that's like the Australian TED, but they call it the Festival of Dangerous Ideas.
01:05:49.000It's very strange, but in doing that, I understand what they're doing.
01:05:53.000They're protecting their brand because it's worth a lot of money now.
01:05:56.000I mean, they have a TED podcast, and they have these TED talks, and TEDx, and the website gets fucking insane amount of traffic, and they've become a corporation.
01:06:07.000But when you respect someone, like if you have someone like you, and they like your book, and they like your ideas, the more they can just give you free reign, the more it's going to be exciting.
01:06:17.000We're going to let you express yourself in an uncensored way.
01:06:21.000You're going to get the full Chris Ryan experience instead of like some bullshit watered down corporate version of whatever the fuck your ideas would be, whatever palatable aspects of your ideas they think they could sell to people.
01:07:27.000There's many, many people that believe this.
01:07:29.000And this is a common thought, not just amongst people that are on the fringe, but amongst scholars.
01:07:35.000There's a lot of people that correlate, and rightly so, incredibly powerful, hallucinogenic experiences with changing people's ideas and minds.
01:08:48.000He was kind of irritating because I wanted to shake his hand and say hello, but every time I saw him, he was engaged in the same argument with the same guy.
01:09:17.000So, yeah, the surfing thing is another one of those things like golf that I'm scared to try.
01:09:22.000And I don't necessarily think I would get addicted to golf.
01:09:27.000Because what's ridiculous about it is more appealing to mock than it is interesting to watch.
01:09:33.000Like the precision and the accuracy and the control that you have to have over your movement and your body to make that ball roll into the hole.
01:09:41.000It's still, at the end of the day, it's just a ball falling into a hole.
01:11:02.000And, I mean, I'm such a fucking pussy, man.
01:11:06.000I, like, after, like, doing the push-up and get up on it, you know, like, 20 times, like, my arms were shaking and, like, my knees were shaking.
01:11:14.000You know, I'm not in great physical condition.
01:13:39.000It walked across the road and it literally didn't look real.
01:13:44.000Like, his walked in the street in front of us, like, it was a road street, but it was maybe 250 yards in front of us in the road, and we were like, gee.
01:14:16.000You know, there's an idea that's connected with cold weather and large mammals like that, that the colder the weather, the larger the mammal.
01:15:42.000He didn't even notice me or didn't give a shit.
01:15:45.000Yeah, apparently on Kodiak Island, even though they're so enormous, those bears are so terrifying, there's very few negative interactions with human beings.
01:15:53.000And that's one of the reasons why some people thought that that show, The Hunt, I don't know if you saw it, was a show that was on, I think it was on Discovery or one of those networks, History.
01:16:09.000In fact, maybe I told this story on your podcast about when he was in New Guinea and he brought those people back, the natives back to London.
01:21:10.000The dude's connected to something really deep, and the whole thing with his wife and how it started is so, like, beautiful and touching and sincere.
01:21:58.000Like, what is it about you that you need to say, I was at the top of Everest, you know, with my oxygen tanks and the five Sherpas carrying all my shit, you know, and I paid 60 grand to the guide to, like, drag my sorry ass up there.
01:22:29.000There was a recent article, I forget what publication, but some online thing where they were talking about the business of going to Everest.
01:22:38.000Eco-tourist business now where you get all these rich people and they hire these Sherpas that do all the dirty work, all the hard stuff, carrying the oxygen, carrying the food, carrying everything.
01:22:47.000And all these people do is they sit in their warm tents and they put on their warm clothes and then they go where the Sherpas tell them and they feel like heroes.
01:22:55.000But I used to do a whole bit about Mount Everest, that it's not like when you get to the top of Lucky Charms guys waiting for you with a bag of gold.
01:23:04.000Now you don't have to work again for the rest of your life.
01:23:06.000Come with me, this free pussy and cocoa in the tent below.
01:23:10.000It's this bit about, like, the idea of climbing to the top spot is, like, impressive, but nobody gives a fuck if you got to the lowest spot.
01:23:17.000Like, nobody, like, I got to the lowest spot on Earth, bro.
01:23:40.000There's some stupid chimp thing about going to the top branch.
01:23:44.000It's because we associate the highest branches with being safe from the predators.
01:23:50.000That's the reason why bedrooms have...
01:23:52.000If you have a house, the master bedroom is almost always on the top floor.
01:23:56.000And the reason is you want to be above to look down at the potential predators.
01:24:01.000There's an association, people believe, with Like chimps and trees and human beings and having like houses that are on the top or the master bedrooms on the top.
01:24:17.000I'm thinking the bedrooms being on top comes from the centuries where people lived above their domesticated animals and the heat from the animals rose up and heated their bedroom.
01:26:24.000You know, the idea of the human body is ultimately a lot like a sandcastle.
01:26:29.000And that's, you know, really, at the end of the day, I mean, enjoy it while you've got it, but at the end of the day, it's pretty much pointless.
01:29:18.000Well, you know, this thing about fear of death, you were talking earlier about making sex, like restricting access and then using it as a lure to get people to work, right?
01:29:28.000So in Civilized to Death, the last chapter that I've just written, by the way, I'm fucking done.
01:31:43.000Put whatever word, call it whatever noise you want to make with your face.
01:31:47.000But what's important to me is who you love and who you take in and who you surround yourself with.
01:31:54.000I have this group of amazing, beautiful people that I share time with.
01:32:00.000And whether they were born out of my wife's pussy or whether they were born out of someone else's pussy, who cares?
01:32:07.000This idea that it's only meaningful if you surround yourself with people that came out of your own DNA, I think it's not just short-sighted.
01:32:30.000What I argue in the end of this book is that there's also a mechanism built, the same sort of mechanism built around death, that we're terrified.
01:32:38.000We're the only animal that knows it dies, right?
01:33:50.000If you have a duffel bag filled with mushrooms and you're selling them at a concert, it is literally possible that you will have a larger prison sentence than if you accidentally kill someone in a street fight.
01:35:28.000He'll take a fucking 500 and then he takes a wrapper for a lower dose and he puts the 500 in the lower dose wrapper and he gives them to people.
01:37:14.000And I heard all these weird voices and I hid under this rhododendron bush and it turned out that they were the patients taking a walk and they were like wandering the grounds and I'm like cowering under this rhododendron bush like having cried and lost my shirt and you know I was just a fucking mess.
01:37:50.000You know about that research where they, I think it was at Yale, in a psychiatry residence, the teacher said, okay, the project is this weekend you have to go out.
01:38:03.000There were like six or seven students.
01:39:11.000And that's where you get the false confessions a lot of times.
01:39:14.000Well, listen, if you put enough pressure on people, especially if you lock them up, and like, this is what the fuck is going on with Guantanamo Bay.
01:39:21.000They just released this guy that just was in there for 14 years, and they had a story about him being beaten, and he was fucking innocent.
01:40:06.000And we like to live in at least somewhat of a state of harmony with our neighbors and our friends and our community.
01:40:13.000And when someone is pointing to you at being a disruptor of harmony in some way, shape, or form, you know, like if you're in a relationship, I've had friends that have been in relationships like, man, my fucking girlfriend, she's always accusing me of doing this and accusing me of doing that.
01:41:26.000So if you get a guy and you lock him up in some fucking cage, and every day you tell him that he's a criminal, and every day you tell him, you're a terrorist.
01:41:32.000You're plotting with ISIS. You fucking put an orange jumpsuit in him, and then he does want to kill you.
01:41:39.000And then before you know it, their fucking memory is so distorted and twisted by years of beatings and you're feeding them dog food and kicking them in the dick.
01:43:01.000If I were really ballsy, because he's doing Christmas with his family elsewhere, and I know that yacht is sitting in the British Virgin Islands empty right now with the crew.
01:43:10.000But just your luck, you'll get on it by yourself, and that's when the pirates will come.
01:43:29.000Fucking yachts are weird in that sense, in that if you have one, like, man, it's beautiful and it's amazing, but people look at that floating fucking thing, and that's a bank.
01:43:42.000You just got to figure out how to extract it.
01:43:44.000And if you can grab one of those people that's inside of it and take them and whisk them away and then contact the other people and say, hey, you got to give me some of that money if you want one of these people back.
01:43:54.000But, on the other hand, a yacht this big, if you take someone off that yacht, you're going to have some serious guys coming looking for you.
01:44:02.000It's not like a couple old people on a sailboat.
01:44:05.000Yeah, but if you're in Mexico, they can't find El Chapo.
01:44:07.000If you can't get to El Chapo, how are you going to do it on a yacht?
01:44:10.000You buy that shit about El Chapo and the tunnel?
01:45:20.000The prison guards, that's why they're all arrested now, paid off the head of the prison, paid off the senators and the governors and probably the president, and then they built the tunnel to give a viable story for the dipshits like us to listen to and say,
01:46:26.000I think the Occam's razor point of view is with the amount of corruption that we know exists in the Mexican government, that he paid people off.
01:48:27.000Well, there was a story recently, we were actually talking about this in a previous podcast, that they had come very close to catching him, like within the last couple weeks.
01:50:14.000I mean, this is really a fucked up thing to talk about, but it's real.
01:50:17.000One of the reasons that rape is so psychologically damaging to women is a lot of women come when they're being raped.
01:50:26.000So imagine the schism that that creates in your own experience, where you're like, one part of you is saying, this is the worst fucking violation that's ever happened, and this guy is a monster, and your body's coming.
01:50:42.000And see, I think that's similar to what we were talking about with these little boys who are having experiences that get sealed as a pleasurable experience in one way, even though later they look back on it and say, that was a violation and a crime.
01:51:06.000There's forbidden things that become more appealing because of it.
01:51:10.000It's so strange what exists with human beings and that it doesn't exist at all in any of the animal world.
01:51:18.000This idea of being conscious and being aware and of also contemplating all the variables.
01:51:23.000And that this sort of combines together with the biological needs of reproduction.
01:51:28.000And it creates this really potent, confusing cocktail of ideas.
01:51:32.000That's one of the reasons why it's so offensive when you find out...
01:51:38.000That someone that you know has either been raped or someone that you know has been accused of raping someone and they didn't do it or that someone that you know has been involved somehow in a rape, like they were a part of a rape or they maybe were in a gangbang rape or something like that.
01:51:57.000It's just like, whoa, my whole world's been thrown upside down.
01:52:00.000Like, this idea of what people can and can't do to each other, it's so crazy.
01:52:06.000Human beings forcing themselves on other human beings is so strange.
01:52:10.000And then when you hear, how many women have a rape fantasy?
01:52:30.000Like, my buddy was having sex with his girlfriend once, and she admitted while they were having sex that what she really wants is a bunch of black guys to come over and just fuck the shit out of her against her will, hold her down, and he said he never thought about it the same way again.
01:53:05.000The fantasy, when she would be alone, no one was there, she would lock her bedroom door and masturbate, she would be thinking about getting raped.
01:53:56.000Or two women, in the case of the women.
01:53:59.000But what about these cases you read about every once in a while where a dude goes to a woman's house at night and she thinks it's her husband and they have sex and then she finds out it was just some guy?
01:54:15.000Every couple of years you read one of these cases where like some guys like he just walks into a house and has sex with a woman and she's and then she's like, wait a minute, you're not my husband.
01:54:25.000Those things seem unbelievable to me, but I've seen them several times.
01:54:29.000Well, weirder things can happen, especially if you're in a situation where maybe your neighbor has been thinking about fucking your wife forever, or the postman, and maybe they know your schedule.
01:54:40.000He doesn't come home until 9. Every night he works this shift, and I can just get in there on Tuesdays, because that's when he's not there.
01:55:02.000I've had a bunch of friends have some really bizarre experiences.
01:55:06.000Like, one of my buddies woke up in the car driving somewhere and realized what he was doing.
01:55:11.000He had already gotten in the car and was already driving and was on some sort of weird autopilot when he realized that he was driving somewhere.
01:55:19.000It's very scary because someone can do things to you, I'm sure, while you're under the influence of sleeping pills, and you would probably just accept it or think it was a part of your dream or what.
01:55:30.000But when you're taking something that forces you into that state...
01:55:34.000We're monkeying with the mind in a strange way.
01:55:37.000And these companies that make these pills will have you believe that it's safe.
01:57:56.000And they're very much along the lines of what you were saying about the power of unfiltered media that's happening, that's unleashed by the Internet, creating these emergent peer networks that never could have existed before.
01:58:11.000So good ideas can spread really quickly and get capital really quickly if it's a business sort of money distribution kind of thing.
01:58:25.000Like, I'm looking back at every civilization that's ever existed, and they fail, fail, they all collapse, and they all follow the same patterns.
01:58:33.000But there wasn't this sort of immediate world global mind.
01:58:47.000The first thing that consciousness becomes aware of is its own mortality, right?
01:58:52.000So what I'm hoping is that when this global mind clicks on, as I think it's happening right now, that's when we become aware of our mortality as a species and as a planet.
01:59:02.000And maybe there's some like radical transformative power in that.
01:59:07.000And we'll all end up living like Joe Rogan in 100 years.
01:59:10.000Well, I definitely think there's a radical transformative power of the instant exchanging of ideas and information.
01:59:16.000Because the good ideas, they get vetted out.
01:59:19.000Like, everybody's ideas get discussed and bandied about.
01:59:30.000There's so much intensity and so much, you know...
01:59:33.000Discussion and debate about who's right and who's wrong.
01:59:37.000And it's because I think one of the reasons why people have so much of a vested interest in these things is they recognize the significance of exposing ideas for what they truly are and trying to figure out which ones are good and which ones are bad.
01:59:48.000And also the repercussions of living in a world filled with bad ideas and bad assumptions that we're all acting on.
01:59:55.000Whether it's racism or homophobia or the fucking Federal Reserve or the fucking two-party system.
02:00:03.000All these things, all these things we know by virtue of examining all the facts, like, God, this is not the best way to do this, but this is the system that we're stuck with.
02:00:12.000So when we're making communities, and even if they're open-ended online communities of people exchanging ideas, they're still kind of communities.
02:00:20.000Like people I talk with on Twitter or people that I read their Facebook posts, there is a community to that because we are exchanging information.
02:00:29.000We're all communicating with each other, right?
02:00:31.000And there's a community that comes with podcasts as well.
02:00:34.000I mean, the people that are listening to this right now, the millions of people that'll get a hold of this conversation, they're a part of a community.
02:00:42.000And whether or not they agree or disagree or hate or love, they're still in somehow or another, they're still in some way communing with each other.
02:00:51.000We're talking and communicating and everybody has this ability now to exchange ideas and the good ones sort of resonate.
02:01:01.000And because of that, I think we can exchange ideas and evolve ideas and evolve our own perceptions of things in a much, much, much quicker way than ever before in the history of the human race.
02:01:15.000That's one of the reasons why I'm so optimistic.
02:01:22.000It's called Future Perfect and the author is Steven Johnson.
02:01:26.000And, like, he talks about Kickstarter and how, you know, Kickstarter, two years after it was launched, it was already funding more art than the National Endowment for the Arts.
02:02:14.000Whereas before, when all the media was controlled by companies that needed to be making money somehow, it had to have that commercial appeal.
02:02:23.000Well, a lot of times people wouldn't even venture into something like this unless they thought that it was profitable.
02:02:28.000When I got into this, I did it entirely just for fun.
02:02:31.000I think it's one of the reasons why it's been successful.
02:03:39.000If I really wanted to have a conversation with Obama, I don't even know if it is possible, because I think if the fucking Secret Service listened to any of the shit that I've said before, I'd probably be removed from the discussion, but...
02:03:52.000I mean, I feel like there's some people that I probably could talk to that I'm not drawn to that.
02:04:13.000But if you have a talk show, like if you have The Tonight Show or something along those lines, you can't do a show like that unless you have famous people on.
02:04:29.000If you're the host of one of those shows, and you're a part of some multimedia conglomerate like NBC or Universal or whatever the fuck it is, they're gonna bring you all these people.
02:04:38.000This is Mike, blah blah blah, he's got this fucking Fast and the Furious 47 coming out, and you know, and you gotta have that guy out.
02:04:45.000What was it like on the set working with Michelle Rodriguez?
02:06:13.000Everything I try to do, whether I'm right or I'm wrong, if I get it wrong or I'm clunky, I'm not trying to be anything other than who I am.
02:06:22.000I think we're all in this together and we're all learning and evolving and growing and expanding our ideas together.
02:06:29.000I think one of the beautiful things about podcasts is that you get to share this with other people.
02:06:33.000There's a lot of people right now that might be listening to this in a truck on the way to somewhere and they got fucking three hours to go and they're thinking about shit and it's enriching their ideas and they're expanding their own ideas because of it.
02:06:45.000Maybe they're adding something in their head.
02:06:50.000And then they have their own idea from that and maybe that can become a fucking business opportunity for them or a book that they write or they start their own podcast.
02:06:58.000I've gotten fucking hundreds and hundreds of messages from people that said they started their own podcast from listening to this.
02:07:26.000In some really unique way that never existed before.
02:07:30.000And what you were saying about the guy in the truck, as you were saying that, I was thinking, one of the things that I really...
02:07:36.000We were earlier talking about Radiolab, and I said I found it sort of annoying how produced it is.
02:07:42.000And I think one of the things that's cool about your show, my show, Duncan's show, these conversational shows that aren't highly produced and edited, is that that guy in the truck...
02:07:52.000He's listening to us have a conversation in real time.
02:07:55.000So it's really easy for him to imagine himself participating.
02:07:58.000Whereas if you're listening to something where everything's cut and real tight and controlled, you can't insert yourself into that world because that's not a real world.
02:08:08.000Maybe that's why I like Radiolab is because I'm so used to this and I do this so often.
02:08:13.000I'm doing this three times, sometimes four times.
02:11:49.000Civilization itself is a sick system, partly because it's built on the repression of natural urges and then, you know, all this distortion and all that.
02:11:58.000So when you look at, like, all these stories that, you know, people are talking about, World War I, we don't even know what they're fighting about, you know?
02:12:05.000And they're poisoning each other and they're blowing shit up and they're destroying the landscape and it's dropping tons of munitions and all this shit.
02:12:13.000Or Columbus, when Columbus landed, you know, he fucking...
02:12:17.000You know, the letter he wrote back to the Queen when he first landed in Hispaniola was like, these people are so beautiful and they're so generous.
02:12:25.000If you express admiration for anything, they just give it to you and there's food everywhere and fish everywhere and fruit and they swim and they're half naked and they're lovely, lovely people.
02:12:36.000With 50 soldiers, we can enslave the entire population.
02:14:45.000Is something that served the interest of the system.
02:14:48.000And so what I'm trying to get at in this book is that what serves the interest of the system is not what serves the interest of the individuals within the system.
02:14:58.000So the fact that, you know, people often say, well, obviously the human race is amazing because, you know, so successful because, look, there's 7 billion of us now and there were only 100 million 500 years ago, whatever it is.
02:15:12.000And my argument is like, well, wait a minute.
02:15:15.000There are way more prisoners in America now than there were 50 years ago.
02:15:20.000Does that mean prisoners are thriving?
02:15:21.000The fact that there are more of a given species doesn't mean that individuals within that species are living better than prisoners.
02:15:51.000And the idea that this is the only way to do things, well, that's just because we're the best version.
02:15:56.000Like, if you want to look at America as far as, like, productivity and innovation, and we're the best version right now currently on this planet.
02:16:03.000But that doesn't mean this is the best way to do it.
02:16:05.000And it doesn't mean that if we found a planet somewhere that was filled with human beings that spoke a language that we could all understand, but they just lived forever.
02:16:21.000They kept a very strict understanding of their environment and what they were doing to it and how many babies they had and how they treated each other and they never allowed poverty to exist.
02:16:33.000They never allowed extreme depression or any of these things that we have that we just push aside or throw pills at or fucking put fences up for.
02:16:45.000We could live like this in small, sustainable groups like these tribes that we were talking about.
02:16:50.000We're talking about the way they would take care of the village and that everybody would take care of each other and they'd live in these harmonious communities.
02:16:57.000And it's not saying they don't have disputes.
02:16:59.000It's not saying they don't disagree about things because all people are constantly debating about ideas and they all have their own unique and different perspectives.
02:17:07.000When we get to this gigantic group, whether it's 300 million in America or 7 billion worldwide, there's this massive diffusion of responsibility for the residual effects of our civilization.
02:17:19.000Cigarettes out the window and fucking poop in the ocean or whatever it is.
02:17:24.000We somehow or another don't feel responsible for all that, although ultimately it comes from humans.
02:17:28.000If we found some group that had figured that out, We found some planet that was filled with people that didn't have anything that we don't have.
02:17:35.000They had computers, they had cars, but they had figured all this other shit out.
02:17:39.000And they just said, well, this is more important than anything else we're doing.
02:17:45.000We would realize that we're living like apes with phones and guns.
02:17:50.000I had this joke, and part of the joke was about if we went to the zoo, or went to the Congo, we found some rare spot in the Congo, and we ran into these chimps, and they had figured out cell phones and rocket launchers, but all they were doing was taking pictures of their dicks and shooting each other in the face.
02:18:08.000We'd be like, what the fuck are you guys doing?
02:18:35.000E.O. Wilson said—he's a great biologist—he said, humans are—the tragedy of humanity is that we have Stone Age instincts, medieval institutions, and godlike powers, technology.
02:18:49.000That's a beautiful way of describing it.
02:19:25.000They might not know about a lot of the things that the Europeans knew about, and they probably confuse the shit out of them.
02:19:31.000But they've got kings and slaves and all that shit.
02:19:33.000Because a lot of times people would be like, oh man, the fucking Aztecs ripped their hearts.
02:19:37.000The Aztecs are the same as the Spaniards.
02:19:40.000I'm talking about low-scale hunter-gatherer bands where everybody knows each other, nomadic, right?
02:19:47.000Indigenous tribal people oftentimes that live in jungles and things where there's a lot of food, a lot of resources, and there's no fight for resource.
02:20:25.000And he says, like, I try to talk to them.
02:20:28.000If they get a beaver, they have a feast.
02:20:31.000Even if, you know, the guys next door got a beaver and they're having a feast too, and if they get three beavers, they'll have three feasts, and they just eat till everything's gone.
02:20:39.000And when I say to them, like, why don't you save something for tomorrow?
02:20:49.000Well, they lived in a different world too, where there wasn't this massive fucking quantity of human beings that are literally pulling everything out of the land.
02:24:04.000It's because these fish and game groups have recognized the problems and have regulated the amount of hunting that people can do, but also worked really hard to protect habitat.
02:27:04.000What happens if you pull out your phone?
02:27:06.000Well, that's what happened yesterday when that storm system came in.
02:27:09.000I'll show you a picture when we finish, but it was so beautiful because it was really late and the sun was right on the horizon and these Crazy clouds came in really quickly, and then it was raining, and there were rainbows, and when the rays of the sun come down,
02:28:35.000But where all the, like, she-she people hang out.
02:28:37.000Well, honestly, I mean, I've probably been there five or ten times, and, you know, I can't remember seeing anyone that I recognized as being famous.
02:28:47.000I think it's people in the entertainment business.
02:28:50.000So there are a lot of, you know, producers and screenwriters and, you know, and some actors will go in there, whatever.
02:28:57.000But I think the idea, it's not like...
02:29:01.000My impression, anyway, is that it's not about going and being seen.
02:29:05.000It's about going and not having to deal with the shit, but still being in public.
02:29:10.000So you can be in public, people will be cool, they respect your privacy, you can hang out and work, you can have meetings there, you can do your business there, whatever.
02:29:38.000There's just a weird thing about being in that sort of a circle of like privileged folks that I try to avoid as much as possible.
02:29:46.000There's a lot of people enjoy that a little too much and it becomes like something that they, it just becomes something a little too precious to them.
02:29:55.000Yeah, I don't get that vibe there, but maybe I'm just not paying attention.
02:29:59.000Well, I'm only getting it third-hand through people that know people that go there that want to become a part of it, and they talk about it.
02:31:51.000No, they're all friends, and they all know about each other, so he's not lying to anyone.
02:31:56.000But he's like, yeah, when I'm in LA, I don't really need an apartment.
02:31:59.000I can stay in a hotel if I want to, but usually I'm sleeping with one of my friends, and then I go to the Soho house, and that's where I work.
02:32:07.000It's like, alright, that's a pretty good system, you know?
02:32:09.000And then he has his computer, he works there, and then he's off to Miami to do some more filming.
02:32:13.000I have a buddy who's a wealthy real estate guy, and his house is basically a hostel for really hot, semi, like...
02:32:23.000Semi-homeless girls like a Charles Manson without killing no no no because like it's always like some new one that is Living with them and they almost always have like a little dog and they're like they just get kicked out of their apartment No, you could stay with me and they want I'm staying with him And it's like this battle yesterday.
02:32:48.000She's fucking But that's what he does.
02:32:52.000He has one after another of these semi-homeless girls that don't have any place to go and they wind up staying with him and they're usually really hot.
02:34:11.000As soon as that acid and marijuana got into the system, post-Vietnam, or actually during Vietnam, the whole system went wacky.
02:34:21.000Yeah, and he was, I mean, you'll relate to him in some ways, because he was, like, physically, he was a really serious dude.
02:34:27.000Like, he was a Green Beret, I think, and he had killed a couple of people, and then he, like, spun out into drug addiction or alcohol or something, and then he got his shit together.
02:34:38.000But he was just so fucking charismatic that, like, people just gathered around him all the time.
02:36:18.000It's just extraordinary, because as Herzog shows in that movie, they use the contour of the rock to accentuate the contours of the body of the animal.
02:36:27.000So there's a bulge in the rock, and that's in the shoulder of the bison, and it's But I'll tell you that, I mean, Lesko, it's a real honor to be invited.
02:36:37.000It was only because I was with Stanley Krippner.
02:36:56.000He's really fascinated by listening to his words.
02:36:59.000I'm really glad you did that, too, because he's 85 or something.
02:37:03.000He's not going to be around forever, but he's really underappreciated because he's published 25 books and 700 scientific papers, but he never sought Media or anything.
02:37:17.000But he was on the Johnny Carson show a few times.
02:37:57.000Amazing Randy is a fascinating cat, too, because he sort of set out to try to disprove as much of that shit as possible, even though that's how he started out.
02:38:48.000And when he would pull information out of people about their childhood and guess things and explain where they came from, and it was just, like, mind-blowing.
02:38:57.000And I'm like, how the fuck are you doing this?
02:39:09.000Furious when he would like the Long Island medium or one of those shows where they had people and they would tell them about their dead relatives.
02:40:59.000And I know there's a potential for fuckery.
02:41:02.000And for people that want inheritance money, and you talk your elderly dad who's got Alzheimer's into signing over some will just before you fucking off him.
02:41:14.000I know a guy who found out that his own brother had talked his mom into signing a fucking new will, and he had to fight him in court over it while his mom's sick.
02:41:24.000His mom is like, she's got some sort of a neurological disorder, and she's completely out of it.
02:41:32.000He was taking care of his mom and he had to hurt.
02:41:34.000There's horrible, horrible people out there that do do things like that.
02:41:38.000And they could do something like that and then put someone down.
02:41:42.000On the other hand, like, why would you want someone to just suffer in fucking complete and total agony for the remaining five months, six months of their life so that you can rest easy in the fact that they went out with God?
02:41:55.000They went out naturally under God's way.
02:43:09.000I think largely because of people being able to communicate with each other and express how futile that is and ridiculous that is.
02:43:16.000Because that's the kind of thing, if your parent or grandparent or husband or wife is facing this kind of thing, and you're thinking, fuck, I could put the dog down, I can't help my wife die in peace, you're not going to say that to anyone.
02:43:54.000The graph is crazy because they know CPR rarely does anything.
02:44:00.000When you're 80 years old and you have a heart attack, CPR might keep you pumping along for another couple of weeks, but you'll have brain damage, broken ribs, and excruciating pain.
02:44:50.000Because the assumption is that they would have more power, but I think if you have an open adult conversation about these things and a government that acknowledges that sometimes the right thing to do is to help someone die without pain and the hospice gets funded a lot and all that,
02:45:35.000But I think that what's going on now that has never existed before is that our culture is not just being shaped by whatever media is projected.
02:45:45.000Our culture was shaped by the people that surrounded us, you know, and that's why leaders were so important, right?
02:45:51.000And then tribal cultures, tribal elders, and shamans, and the people that had lived a long life and had learned, and you could listen to them, and they could explain these experiences that they've gone through and perhaps you're going to go through.
02:46:01.000Rites of passages were also very important for that same reason.
02:46:04.000Like, you're going to go through something, you're going to experience something, and then you'll have a greater understanding of the world because of that.
02:46:09.000And for the longest time in our most recent history, you know, it's the longest time for us pretty recent, the last few hundred years, it was either books that gave us a depiction of the world and we kind of learned from that and said, well, this is obviously how the world goes.
02:46:26.000Or then it became motion pictures and television and Father Knows Best and, you know, all these different shows that sort of gave us this idea or ideal of what life is all about.
02:46:37.000And that's where we've formed our vision or our version of reality.
02:46:44.000Like now our version of reality is being formed.
02:46:47.000By conversations, our version of reality is being formed by people communicating with each other.
02:46:53.000It's just a completely different sort of experience because now you're seeing a broader, wider Sort of conversation going on with whether or not this like it just even Movements that are extreme like like whether it's PETA or whether it's animal rights organizations or gay rights organizations or trans rights or whether it's like these Black Lives Matter these are there's all these different groups that
02:47:23.000have like way broader reach with activism that it was never possible before and If you didn't have a guy like Martin Luther King, a charismatic leader that could speak up and give speeches, I have a dream!
02:47:36.000If you didn't have that guy, who the fuck else do you have?
02:47:41.000But now, anyone with a concept or an idea that resonates with other people, you can make a tweet, and that tweet can go viral.
02:47:48.000And that viral tweet can shape the way people look at a certain subject.
02:47:52.000You could write a Facebook blog or a Tumblr blog or make a short YouTube video and people could watch that video and see your perspective and go, God damn it, he's right.
02:48:56.000It's amazing, but I feel like we don't appreciate it or can't recognize how insanely transformative it is because we're a part of it.
02:49:04.000I think like one day in the future, they'll look back at the 21st century and they'll look back particularly at the time from, you know, the year 2000, I think.
02:49:13.000Maybe even 2001. Maybe September 11th would be like a tipping point because of all the chaos that went along with that.
02:49:20.000And they'll look at the amount of change that's taken place in the last 14 years since September 11th.
02:49:26.000What a whirlwind of change and ideas and transformation.
02:49:33.000And in the middle of it, we're just in the middle of it with our iPhones and YouTube and Periscope and all this crazy shit that's going on.
02:49:41.000And we're not even realizing how bizarre it is.
02:49:43.000Well, I mean, I don't know if you're younger than me, but I remember in 1992, I lived in San Francisco and I had a computer, a Compaq.
02:51:11.000Like, oh, there's a nice top of her breast, you know?
02:51:13.000And I was single and living by myself, so I just would go to the DVD store and just fucking brush those beads aside like a gangster and just either buy them or rent them.
02:51:59.000And yeah, I remember taking her in and I remember just like, it was like, you know, like taking a chunk of seal meat into a shark tank, you know, it's just like, all the dudes are just like, yeah, a real one, a live one.
02:53:44.000Well, you know, oftentimes people do become tools of...
02:53:49.000Groups that have these ideological principles that you may or may not go with.
02:53:53.000The idea of the feminist movement, the real problem that a lot of people have is that There's some women that are involved in that that really don't like men, and they're opposed to men.
02:54:04.000There was one woman who was a part of, I think it's called Google Ideas or something like that, but she had this Twitter page, and she was arguing with people on Twitter, and one of the things she said is, I eat men for dinner, or I eat men for breakfast.
02:54:28.000If a man in any position of power, like, and she was, I believe what, I mean, poor understanding of what's going on, but I believe that she was brought in to sort of bring more diversity to this project they were doing.
02:54:42.000You know, this this idea and then bring in a feminist perspective was gonna, you know, balance things out a little bit, which is always a good idea, right?
02:54:49.000But when you read something like that, like that's if even if that's not really her intention, just having that perspective, having the perspective of, you know, I eat men for breakfast, like you could never say I eat women for breakfast.
02:56:30.000I don't even think it's really America.
02:56:31.000I think it's what we were talking about earlier, about these small groups of people that have these ideas, and they're very, very passionate about spreading these ideas.
02:56:40.000And these ideas don't necessarily have to be good, but they have to have a bunch of other crazy people that believe in them.
02:56:45.000Like, the people that convinced Linda Lovelace into saying that she was raped, and the feminist movement that co-opted her ideas.
02:56:53.000I mean, they didn't do it because they were calculating an evil and they had some grand plan to ruin it for everybody else.
02:57:00.000They probably did it because they were nuts.
02:57:03.000And there's a lot of other nutty people out there that agree with you.
02:57:05.000I tweeted something the other day that someone tweeted, and it was so fucking ridiculous that it made me go, what the fuck?
02:59:02.000There's a guy that they did, speaking of Radiolab, an amazing piece, and the guy clearly out of his fucking mind when you listen to him talk, but he flips.
02:59:12.000Back and forth from being male and female all day long.
02:59:15.000And they're talking about it like it's this very unusual thing.
02:59:27.000But when you listen to this person talk, you realize this is not a stable human being.
02:59:31.000And it's quite possible they're out of their But you don't consider it because it's gender.
02:59:37.000If they thought they were a fox, if they believed that they were born in the ocean of merpeople, you would say, well, this guy's out of his fucking mind.
02:59:46.000But because he's talking about gender, he can say, well, now I'm a man.