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00:00:05.000Well, we were talking before this, alright?
00:00:07.000Because I had seen online that you had gotten fired for this whole Donald Sterling comment thing, and then you had said to me, you took some heat for the Donald Sterling thing, too.
00:00:27.000You actually got fired for saying something that's entirely reasonable.
00:00:32.000And I'm going to paraphrase what you said, but I believe what you said was he has every right to be an old bigot in the privacy of his home and that he's a victim because this fucking floozy that he was hanging around with had recorded him and then leaked the audio.
00:01:01.000But this idea that in the privacy of your own home, that your words should be gone over with a fine-tooth comb by the entire world, and that's not some horrendous invasion of privacy.
00:01:18.000To me, that invasion of privacy is a way more egregious error than someone being a shithead at his own time, right?
00:01:24.000And even what he said, the reality of what he said...
00:01:28.000He said, and he never used a racial slur, I mean, call him a bigot if you will, but what he said was, I don't want, to his girlfriend, I don't want you taking pictures with these black guys.
00:01:41.000I don't care if you fuck them, but I don't want you taking pictures with them.
00:01:48.000I don't care if you fuck them is a huge part of his statement.
00:03:14.000We love to be a part of something big.
00:03:16.000And then we don't necessarily take a step back and look at the big picture of what was happening, what was going down, and what could we be talking about instead of all of this stuff.
00:03:26.000Well, it's just infuriating to me that you can get fired for what I believe is an incredibly innocuous statement.
00:03:33.000I mean, maybe this is coming from me, maybe my perception of the difference between working for a public company and having controversial opinions, and me being a comedian, a cage-fighting commentator.
00:04:13.000That it requires such a minimal ripple on the seismograph that people will freak out to the point where you can lose your fucking job for calling someone a bigot and saying, this guy should have the right to do that in his home and be a piece of shit.
00:04:32.000I know what to expect from Westboro Baptist Church, right?
00:04:37.000I know what to expect from the KKK, right?
00:04:39.000I don't agree with any of that shit, and I abhor it.
00:04:42.000I think that they're all scumbags, but I kind of know what to expect from that, and that shouldn't surprise me when some headline comes out or when they do some weird stuff, right?
00:04:51.000A lot of people were saying, you know, well, Donald Sterling, he had this huge, long history of being like racially weird and questionable.
00:04:59.000So it's like, well, then why are you acting really surprised that this thing happened at all?
00:05:03.000And why are you supporting like a breach of privacy in that way?
00:05:07.000Because that, to me, is a more sort of inalienable right to privacy.
00:05:32.000You might be under the influence of alcohol or drugs, but you're not giving public statements.
00:05:38.000And so for those public statements or for it to get out like a public statement and for people to absorb it and then analyze it and critique it and criticize it and then get crazy about it.
00:06:07.000I mean, you caught him in a fucked up way that nobody should get caught that way.
00:06:11.000I mean, that's just not how the world is supposed to work in America in 2015. I mean, what is everybody upset about?
00:06:18.000Everybody's upset about this Edward Snowden thing, right?
00:06:21.000Because Edward Snowden found out that the NSA is secretly wiretapping every fucking phone in the country and recording all your emails, recording all your voicemails, and everybody got crazy.
00:06:50.000It changed the course of his life and for someone like that too like he's a billionaire He's the money aspect is hardly anything for him right to him It's his legacy the thing that mattered most to him completely trash completely gone and again It doesn't matter who he was and what other people thought of him and what matters again to me is just the way that and honestly I wasn't even that mad at the NBA because if you look at if you look at the position they were in they kind of had their hand forced in a lot of ways and Under this torrential downpour of media and
00:07:21.000So in a way, I almost empathize with them and the position that they were put in.
00:07:26.000But to me, it's the way that we reacted to it and the way that we kind of were okay with it and a part of it.
00:07:32.000And so I was trying to be the one voice of reason at the time, swimming against the stream to try to bring some common sense to the conversation, which is like, this guy, he's not this weird monster dude.
00:08:50.000because we're usually up until really late in the evening.
00:08:52.000Late in the evening, so I really don't even wake up until like 9 o'clock every day, most days.
00:08:57.000So that day I woke up and my phone was kind of buzzing and blowing up.
00:09:01.000One of my really close friends and colleagues at the time texted me and he was like, hey, by the way, you know, the stuff you tweeted about the other day, like some news outlet picked up on it, some small, you know, thing.
00:09:31.000And then so maybe I jump in the shower and I get out and I've got texts from our GM at our studio like, you need to go Radio Dark on all social media, period.
00:09:43.000And so I texted him back, and I'm like, is this in relation to the article?
00:09:47.000The one article that no one else picked up on, and that, like, you know, half the comments were like, dude, that's totally not what Josh was saying.
00:09:54.000And the other half were kind of reacting sensationally to it.
00:09:56.000But, like, the other half, even on the comments of the article, were like, you're taking him out of context.
00:10:01.000And that was the entire extent of the controversy circling me at the time.
00:10:50.000So, like, the vast majority of people who would have never even heard about that or even would have cared that I had tweeted that, kind of, like, everybody heard about it.
00:11:02.000If they were afraid the NBA was going to get pissed at us for me for weighing in on it then, you know, their kind of reaction to it made it like 50 times worse.
00:11:10.000Yeah, I wish I was in on it when it happened.
00:11:54.000You instantaneously can project your thoughts out to the world and people love doing it and they love being pissed off and they're most likely pissed off because of their life.
00:12:03.000They're most likely pissed off because of their relationship or their job or their weight or, you know, whatever the fuck it is.
00:12:10.000But they're just not balanced people, and there's a lot of them.
00:12:14.000And they're looking to hit that fucking gas pedal when they see that green light.
00:12:18.000Because that green light, that Josh Owens is a piece of shit, that fuck motherfucker.
00:12:25.000Defending racism in 2015. And here's the scary thing for me, Joe, is that these people, I mean, these people, I don't want to make people sound weird, but they've always been here.
00:12:37.000And they've only now had the microphone to talk about this.
00:12:40.000So we as a society, society has to be better than the individual.
00:12:44.000What I'm trying to say is that these individuals who...
00:12:49.000And now we as a society need to be bigger than the individual.
00:12:52.000And we need to look at that and understand.
00:12:54.000We need to identify what it is, understand why it's wrong and the kind of damage and the kind of risk it presents to free thinking, free speech, and even industry.
00:13:02.000And then we need to, you know, Change the way we're behaving very consciously, very cognizantly with everything that we do to try to suppress those feelings.
00:13:11.000Because they're just natural tendencies.
00:13:13.000If you try to boil it down to just the neuroscience of it, these are just emotional receptors in our brains.
00:13:51.000And so as a social psychologist, I self-prescribed myself to that.
00:13:57.000I didn't go to school for this, but I'm fascinated by it.
00:13:59.000I try to learn everything that I can about it.
00:14:01.000And in my position that I've been in, my whole career has been building and architecting communities and the way people interact online and on social media.
00:14:09.000So I say this with a certain amount of self-loathing because I was kind of part of the problem building that empire up.
00:15:26.000We've all run into idiots in our lives that if you went to them with an opinion, you asked them a question about anything, they're likely to give you some really fucking stupid answer and you wouldn't even consider it because you go, oh, well, that's Mike.
00:15:44.000And When you see Mike's words written down with a period and an exclamation point, and it looks all normal, it doesn't seem like it came from a fucking idiot.
00:15:57.000I look at you, I can tell you're a reasonable, intelligent guy, we're having a wonderful conversation, and you're normal.
00:16:03.000But if you're some fucking idiot, and you were saying the same thing that these people that are outraged about your Your tweet about John Sterling.
00:16:14.000If you were an idiot and you were saying that, I would immediately dismiss it.
00:16:17.000I would say, well, this guy's an idiot.
00:16:52.000But at least you're consistent about it, right?
00:16:54.000Your message is always fairly, fairly, coming from a very pragmatic place.
00:16:57.000You take a look at the guy, you know, one arbitrary guy who is typing some angry shit in his Twitter feed, and you scroll back through his history and the stuff that he was complaining about just the other day or the last week, it could be in stark contrast to whatever he happened to be angry about today, right?
00:17:11.000Or coming from a completely different place of morals and standards that he has.
00:17:15.000Well, that's one of the coolest things about Twitter is that when someone says something really stupid, you go to their Twitter page and go, oh, look at this amazing river of retardation that's coming out of your fat head, you know?
00:17:27.000I used to have a real problem with, like, I used to get baited easily into stupid arguments and just stupid, spend hours trying to change a guy.
00:17:34.000And I started doing that, right, where I'd click through and I'd read through.
00:18:40.000That's three and a half million retards.
00:18:42.000Three and a half million slobbering shitheads just pounding on their keyboards, demanding action, demanding you get fired, demanding you get reprimanded, demanding you apologize.
00:19:18.000Oh, I wrote it because, you know, I feel like the invasion of privacy thing is much more important than the fact that this guy said something that was, you know, racially fucked up.
00:19:29.000But you're taking these opinions from all these other people, people that are chiming in just because they're looking for that fucking green light.
00:19:36.000They're looking to hit that gas because they're frustrated, because they're stuck in traffic all day, because their body sucks, because their girlfriend doesn't want to touch them.
00:21:08.000More invasive aspects of social media.
00:21:11.000The social justice warrior types that will try to get people fired from their job, and they will organize and attack, and they're trying to get a result.
00:21:20.000And when they get a result, like these Turtle Rock dummies who fired you, They feel like they've claimed victory.
00:21:44.000What I would want to do and what I keep doing, and it didn't stop at all, by the way.
00:21:48.000I'm okay with being the provocative guy, right?
00:21:51.000Provocation doesn't always have to be a negative word, right?
00:21:53.000Anytime you evoke an emotion, it's because you're saying something distinct.
00:21:57.000You're not being just sameness and muted and average and completely agreeable.
00:22:02.000I like being the guy who has, like, Poignant thoughts who wants to share a different angle and a different perspective with as many people as I can and just try to keep the conversation moving forward because what you end up seeing and what people are trained into doing,
00:22:18.000which happened with my whole thing, is they get trained into taking a side and then closing off the other side.
00:23:37.000With any issue or with any set of values that you have, it's the same thing.
00:23:41.000Anytime that you cut off ties with another person, you could call that, well, I just surround myself with people who make me happy.
00:23:48.000But I call that almost like, if that's the case, then you kind of forfeit the right to be mad at me for having a different opinion.
00:23:53.000Because if you're not going to come to the table and understand what my opinion is and have a conversation with me about where I'm coming from, then you kind of lose the right to make up your mind about what I think and believe.
00:24:46.000There is something that's going on in this culture that I think is happening because of this incredible new ability to communicate and form these groups of like-minded people, where you get this massive confirmation bias in these groups.
00:24:58.000And because of that, they reject outright any notion of debate upon these issues.
00:25:04.000And this is a big problem right now in universities.
00:25:07.000It's a huge problem where people don't want to be offended, and they're trying to create safe spaces, and they're trying to create places where you can't say things that they might think are offensive, but you might think are totally reasonable, like your tweet.
00:25:21.000Like, your tweet, in a lot of universities, would be deemed incredibly offensive, even though it's a legitimate subject of debate.
00:26:04.000It's not, and that's where your company fucked up, because it's not a reasonable...
00:26:09.000If you look at what you wrote, firing someone for that is not a reasonable reaction.
00:26:14.000If you look at what you wrote, being infuriated at you, and wanting your job, and wanting your head, and wanting you to pay, and wanting you to publicly apologize, that's not a reasonable reaction either.
00:26:25.000This idea that everyone has to acquiesce, that everyone has to bow down to the masses, and anytime there's anything controversial, you're best off just keeping your mouth shut.
00:26:36.000You're best off just not communicating and not projecting your thoughts for fear of other people disagreeing, and then the hate and the anger.
00:26:45.000What does that world look like, diluted down, generation over generation?
00:26:48.000Is that really the world you would want to be in?
00:26:57.000You said the confirmation bias is probably the best way to put it.
00:27:00.000It's also, no pun intended, the way we look at it black and white.
00:27:05.000We look at it like there's no gray area with a lot of these people.
00:27:08.000So in gaming, another big issue now is feminism in Gamergate.
00:27:13.000And so you take a feminist activist who's saying some stuff, and if you are to, which, by the way, let's say I wholly support, Equal rights, gender equality, all forms of equality.
00:27:25.000I think people should be deemed as who they are as people and what they're saying and what they're bringing to the world.
00:27:29.000It doesn't matter about your age, gender, sexual orientation, nothing.
00:27:32.000But let's say that I'm talking to a feminist and she says something that I think is just wrong.
00:28:05.000And let's say you're a really smart person and you've done a lot of research.
00:28:08.000And you're a smart person, but you're so invested in your mission.
00:28:14.000You're so invested in what you're fighting for that you forget just for one minute.
00:28:18.000For one minute, you forget that there's another side to it, that there's other perspectives, other ways of looking at an issue.
00:28:25.000Even just for one second, and you say something, and then a bunch of people retweet it, and then it looks bad for the guy.
00:28:31.000In a way, that person who's the smart person, It technically influenced a lot of that negative shit from happening that then transpired.
00:28:41.000And so in a lot of ways, it's like having a conversation with even the smart people who think that they're leading activism and they're leading the charge on things.
00:28:48.000It's trying to educate that tier of people who can be spoken to reasonably to understand that you need to be more open-minded.
00:28:56.000And the second that you push someone away, you're already...
00:29:00.000You're already, like, abandoning your cause.
00:29:02.000Your cause should be bringing more people in.
00:29:04.000The second that you react to what someone else said and you push them away like that, you're the one doing the wrong thing.
00:29:12.000Well, the problem with this conversation right now is that it's kind of vague.
00:29:14.000And we're not talking about very specific statements that could be debated on their merit versus...
00:29:20.000This idea of immediately using an ad hominem like you're a misogynist.
00:29:25.000That is the best way to shut down any sort of debate.
00:30:10.000Do you want to create equality for women or do you actually want to make up for all the men who rejected you or shit on you or dumped you or broke your heart or whatever?
00:31:43.000You know, I'm big fans of a lot of women.
00:31:47.000I think a lot of women have achieved some fucking incredible, amazing things.
00:31:50.000And I think there's a lot of men that I think are disgusting.
00:31:53.000There's a lot of men I think are losers, and they're annoying, and they make excuses for their failures, and it's never about them, it's always about they got fucked over.
00:32:01.000Like, oh, they're fucking brutal and boring and tiresome, and they are roadblocks.
00:34:03.000Yeah, I mean, there's way more violence being directed at them, whether it's real or not, but in print, than it is directed at the men that are supposedly the oppressors.
00:34:16.000You're not seeing a bunch of women saying, we should get together and cut all these guys' dicks off and stuff them down their mouth and make them choke to death on it.
00:34:25.000But this whole fucking battle, like at the root of it all, it should be a battle about...
00:35:23.000If there was a quota in the NFL where the NFL needed a certain amount of women to play as linebackers, do you know how fucked up football would be if you needed to have, you know, how many linebackers are there?
00:36:28.000How much time do you spend focusing on these ideas?
00:36:31.000Which, by the way, has nothing to do—it's not like what you're saying is that women aren't as capable of doing that job, but what you're saying is there may not—it's not about that.
00:36:40.000It's about who's in front of you at the time and who do you want to put in that position.
00:36:43.000And what are you going to care about at the end of the day?
00:36:47.000You're going to care about the contribution that's being made.
00:36:49.000There's this amazing interview that Ronda Rousey did recently in Australia, because she's supposed to be fighting...
00:36:54.000Well, she is fighting in a couple weeks in Australia, and it's the biggest UFC event ever.
00:38:13.000What she's been able to do, the outlier status that she has, being this beautiful woman who kicks people's asses, being unusual, it generates a significant amount of money.
00:38:22.000So much money that she makes more money than anybody else.
00:38:25.000So this idea that, like, you're supposed to pay women the same amount that you pay men, well, what if only half the people go to see the women?
00:38:34.000Do you still have to pay them the same amount?
00:38:36.000Well, that's a shitty business model, because then you're not going to make as much money.
00:38:40.000Yeah, that's a tough way to, I mean, it's a tough way to look at it.
00:38:43.000It's a tough concept to unpack for a lot of people, I feel like.
00:39:19.000But the argument that I heard was incomplete, right?
00:39:22.000How about the number of lines both of them spoke in the movie, right?
00:39:25.000How about the number of minutes How about the number of days she even went to work compared to the number of days he went to work to be on set and to do filming, right?
00:39:34.000And so when you look at that quantitatively, you go, well, why would you be paid the same amount as him for a fourth or fifth lead role in that movie, right?
00:39:43.000Well, you look at it quantitatively, she actually got paid more per minute than he did.
00:39:48.000And then what you don't hear her talking about, of course, and I don't like this argument either, because again, there's no reason that the other side needs to lose for one side to win.
00:39:58.000But of course, then you look at the new movie that she's in, where she's getting paid more than any of her male co-stars, and you don't talk about that, right?
00:40:05.000And so it's almost like this, we get angry and outraged about things when they're convenient to be angry and outraged about, and we don't call it out on the bullshit when it's the double standard, when it's on the other side of that curve.
00:40:17.000Well, I give her a pass because the whole world saw her asshole and it wasn't her idea.
00:40:22.000I mean, I think she's probably emotionally wrecked because of that.
00:40:26.000And there's also probably a lot of people in her ear telling her she got fucked over and agents and managers and all that jazz.
00:40:32.000A lot of people say, hey, you can go out and you can talk about this.
00:40:34.000This is the right time to talk about this, right?
00:40:36.000And again, that's smart people who have figured out how to manipulate the masses' emotions into getting profit, into getting eyeballs, into getting ratings, into getting good things for them.
00:40:49.000You know, the argument is very interesting.
00:40:51.000Like, who should be getting paid what?
00:40:53.000And why should you be getting paid more?
00:40:56.000The reality is you're gonna have a really hard time getting sympathetic voices or sympathetic ears, rather, when you're making millions of dollars.
00:41:04.000Like, oh, I'm only making two million while he's making four or whatever the fuck it was.
00:41:49.000If, you know, fucking fill in the blank, if Brad Pitt had a couple of drinks at some award show and he was liquored up and laughing and being ridiculous, he could say, hey, I was just fucked up at that award show and I had a good time, but whoops, what did I say?
00:42:04.000And no one's going to say, boy, I'm really worried about Brad Pitt.
00:42:06.000So no one's saying that inequality doesn't exist.
00:42:10.000And as long as we're having pragmatic conversations about it and we're staring it in the face, because it is an ugly issue, it's a scary issue, but as long as we're not taking teams and rattling pom-poms, as long as we're not just cutting off the lines and making boundaries,
00:42:25.000as long as we're constantly having that conversation and we're not looking for someone else to get hurt in the process...
00:42:30.000Of having that conversation, then as long as we're still talking about it, we're going to be making progress.
00:42:34.000I think what you just said is so important.
00:42:36.000As long as you don't want other people to get hurt.
00:43:04.000I shouldn't be pushing away from the table because some, you know, bad shit happened to me.
00:43:09.000That made me want to talk about things even more.
00:43:12.000I mean, and wanting to make people learn that that's not the way you get your way or that's not the way that you make a point is by bringing someone else down.
00:43:25.000Companies get scared and they get scared of backlash and boycotts and they make executive decisions and those executive decisions are oftentimes only made in those in that context in a large company Form like that's the only time like if there's a couple of people like you're saying you don't see it Yeah,
00:43:42.000I don't see it, but I'm not going to see it.
00:45:44.000But I just think we live in a strange time, and it's very important during this strange time to keep your sanity and to keep your ability to express yourself.
00:45:57.000Because, like you said, as soon as you're afraid of speaking your opinion, as soon as you think about typing something that you really believe in, and you say, you know what?
00:46:28.000Diluted down versions of each other that are identical and the same and don't have opinions and voices like that people don't want to hear that either They want to hear those tweets or read those tweets when you write something like that and they go yeah that is fucked up this chick just Recorded him and then not just recorded him but broadcast it to the world sold it to whatever outlets or somebody did well Everyone ended up saying what I said I was ahead of the I was way ahead of the curve I said it like like the day after it all happened right and I was the first I was the first one through the breach and I got fucking slammed for it right and Everybody ended up ultimately
00:47:00.000And yeah, at the end of the day, then she got sued by his now ex-wife because she was getting showered with gifts that were from her estate and all sorts of...
00:47:10.000And it's like, yeah, you've got to realize that...
00:48:22.000And we love it, and we support it, and we vote, and we say yes, just like we would vote for reality TV. Well, it makes it exciting.
00:48:27.000All of a sudden, instead of someone saying some canned shit that you know a team of speechwriters were, he's like, I want to put up a wall to Mexico and put my name on it!
00:48:47.000It's just fun silliness until it gets down to whatever fucking corporate criminals they're actually going to put into the position of actually running the country.
00:48:55.000So right now it is reality TV. It's what it is.
00:48:58.000It's the most interesting game in town right now.
00:49:01.000It's a sport that everybody has to watch for whatever fucking reason.
00:49:21.000Yeah, and mainstream media itself is just a money-making machine.
00:49:26.000This idea that mainstream media news is actually, their sole purpose is to disseminate information, to educate the masses, and to keep you informed about all the happenings in the world.
00:49:45.000Well, it still exists in the form of online journalism.
00:49:48.000I mean, what's going on now, today, when you see something like The Guardian printing that Ed Snowden, all the revelations, when no one else wanted to touch it, I mean, he went to other people first, and they said no.
00:50:03.000When someone prints something incredibly controversial, but something they think is important, that's going to piss off the entire country.
00:50:32.000I mean, those two people are arguably two of the most important figures of the 21st century when it comes to establishing what is the current state of the government when it comes to surveillance, when it comes to the spreading of actual information about what's going on in the world.
00:51:31.000And every time that you click on one of those clickbaity articles, every time you click on one of those sensational tweets and hit their page, you're part of the problem.
00:51:38.000You're the one positively reinforcing that business model.
00:51:41.000In a way, I think, honestly, that it's beautiful that they operate in this way because they're sealing their own demise.
00:52:02.000Because I know right when social media came out, when Twitter was invented and when Facebook was invented, people were saying the same thing.
00:52:07.000They're like, is this the end of media?
00:54:32.000And so she took a picture in front of her where she was pretending like she was yelling.
00:54:36.000And, you know, just because that's what she thought was funny.
00:54:40.000Now, she put it online and it went crazy because people were talking about how she was disrespecting our troops and our soldiers and the lost ones, right?
00:54:45.000And then, of course, she goes out and talks about it.
00:55:34.000When the cease of the lion thing happened, there was a New York Times article that a man from Zimbabwe wrote, and it's, uh, in Zimbabwe we do not cry for lions.
00:55:43.000And he talked about lions that have killed his family.
00:55:46.000The guy lost his leg to a poisonous snake bite, the guy who wrote the article.
00:55:51.000I mean, he's like, his take was like, look, Africa, the wild of Africa is not your friend.
00:57:33.000Objectively outside the context of culture and what we expect of today and I look to the future and what I'm looking at is there's a trend and the trend is from the moment that human beings invented language To the time they started writing things down to the time they started distributing that written word to the time They figured out how to broadcast and how to get ideas out there through television and radio to the internet What I'm seeing is The trend is
00:58:03.000a shorter distance between human beings.
00:58:09.000And I think, ultimately, we're dealing with this adolescent period in this connectivity where all these people that have never thought about the idea of projecting these words...
00:58:20.000Like, if you get a guy like Brian Williams on TV and he's bullshitting about going to Iraq, that's a guy that's responsible for his words, okay?
00:58:27.000That's a guy that's a professional broadcaster.
00:58:29.000He should know what he's saying when he gets on television.
00:58:37.000He's prepared for it his entire fucking life.
00:58:41.000That's a guy who understands the repercussions of his words.
00:58:46.000The average person has the same ability to reach human beings as Brian Williams.
00:58:52.000When Justine Sacco wrote that tweet, she probably reached as much people, or as many people, as Brian Williams did when he lied about getting shot down in Iraq.
00:59:07.000That is a really, really, really new thing.
00:59:10.000I think as it gets closer and closer, it's going to move from the written word, it's going to move from type and video, and it's going to be some sort of a brain-to-brain interface.
00:59:20.000And when that starts happening, and I don't think we're far away from that, I think we're a decade or two at most, when that starts happening, this is all going to be bullshit.
00:59:28.000I'm going to be able to read your thoughts.
00:59:30.000I'm not going to wonder whether or not You know, you're reacting because you were beaten as a child or your boyfriend dumped you.
01:00:41.000Because, and when you think about, yeah, with the way that we're already right now, like, fusing, you know, computer chips in with brains and helping to restore language centers.
01:00:49.000Well, what happens when that AI computer chip can directly interface with your brain and learn about it and learn about its circuitry and understand it in a way that, and at a rate that we, it took us this many years to learn, and it's going to learn it overnight and in a second.
01:02:13.000Our obsession with technology, our obsession with innovation, I really firmly believe that we are fueling, even through our obsession with materialism.
01:02:22.000Because materialism, ultimately, you always want the biggest, best thing.
01:02:31.000You know, Nexus has to come up with a better phone because the iPhone 6S is out.
01:02:35.000And then, you know, fucking boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
01:02:38.000And it keeps going faster and faster and faster until...
01:02:41.000You're getting your dick sucked by a robot, you know?
01:02:44.000And then that robot is deciding that it wants to take over your house and turn it into a nuclear fusion center.
01:02:49.000I mean, who the fuck knows what a hundred years from now looks like or a thousand years from now looks like?
01:02:54.000But I think that what we're seeing with all this electronic outrage and all these people communicating, we're seeing these initial blips of this newfound ability to communicate.
01:03:12.000But I think that I'm very optimistic about where that's going to lead.
01:03:17.000I think the beauty is, and if we all realize that we're all just human beings and that competition is actually good because the real competition is with yourself to do your best and you are inspired by other people who are doing their best, you compare yourself to them and instead of shitting on them,
01:03:35.000instead of trying to put them down, You look at them and get inspired, or maybe not.
01:03:41.000Maybe you say, I appreciate the amount of effort that person's done, but I don't want to work 12 hours a day.
01:04:10.000I mean, he simply, you know, he talks about it like we have enough resources on the planet to sustain every human being that we will have for a long time.
01:04:19.000Equally, fairly, and they could do whatever they want as long as we got rid of the dollar.
01:04:23.000As long as we got rid of the need to earn a dollar and to amass these dollars and to spend them and to enhance your life through them, if you take an inventory management system that Walmart has or Amazon has and scale it up to a global level and you inventory every blade of grass, every tree,
01:04:39.000every piece of wood, every raw material that we have, and then you create a system for distributing that equally and freely so that anybody can have anything at any time that they want, that's a fucking great utopia.
01:04:51.000The problem with that is it removes incentive.
01:04:54.000There's a reason why people work hard.
01:04:56.000One of the reasons why people work hard is because they want to get ahead.
01:05:29.000Highly specialized surgeons aren't doing it for the money.
01:05:32.000They're doing it for maybe they had a child afflicted by a disease or researchers who do all this stuff, right?
01:05:38.000They don't live extravagant lives, but they love to research, they love to solve problems.
01:05:41.000I think maybe there are enough people in the planet who...
01:05:46.000Are passionate about doing things or could want to do something for a higher reason than just money?
01:05:53.000There's always going to be some that do, but what percentage of our population are surgeons that do things specifically because they had a child afflicted by a disease?
01:06:10.000And I think most people are out there struggling because they want a Lexus.
01:06:14.000Most people are out there, they want to move into the house down the block.
01:06:19.000These are not wise choices in a lot of ways because they're not engineering their life in a way that's harmonious or that's really going to prepare them for a long, healthy, happy life.
01:06:51.000In Los Angeles in 2015 and finding out that you got fired because you made something on Twitter that, you know, upset people.
01:06:59.000I mean, there's a transition involved there, and the radical transition of our environment changing, when you juxtapose that with our physical transition, boy, we're not much fucking different than we were a thousand years ago.
01:07:44.000Would you went back to the ancient hominids that were living in Africa that had just climbed down from the trees and started experimenting with new food sources and trying to figure out tools?
01:07:53.000Would you say, hey, look, guys, I know you're trying real hard to keep your family alive, but your family's fucked.
01:08:13.000If you were standing in the savannas of Africa 300,000 years ago when our ancient hominid ancestors first started traveling around and figuring out hunting and all sorts of other things, you would look like a goddamn alien.
01:08:28.000If you walked out holding onto your phone and started taking pictures of them, How much different would that be than a spaceship landing in Washington, D.C., and then coming out with a ray gun and making duplicates of people?
01:10:01.000And I think slowly but surely, if you can prove that people can be more harmonious or more happy or more healthy or whatever the fuck would be the benefit in evolving past that, I think it's almost inevitable.
01:10:14.000I think that's when you look at this idea of this big-headed thing with a little skinny body.
01:12:01.000We need to be thinking way bigger than we are right now.
01:12:05.000I mean, you look at issues even like climate change, right?
01:12:07.000It's a bigger issue than just the United States.
01:12:09.000It's a global issue, and the sooner that we can get on board on a global agenda, but man, did we get far removed from the way this conversation started.
01:12:18.000We did, but we didn't, because I think ultimately what we're talking about when we're talking about this outrage, this Twitter outrage, I think ultimately what it really boils down to is a bunch of people That are being unreasonable, and they're communicating in this unreasonable way, but they're just, they're out there.
01:13:20.000When I pose the question to some people, that's usually the answer, right?
01:13:23.000They go, oh, two galaxies collide and it's just shit crashing at each other and planets exploding and suns eating other stars and black holes eating each other.
01:13:31.000And the reality, though, when you think about and when you judge the magnitude of the distances between those objects, the reality is statistically it's unlikely any two object would impact at all.
01:13:40.000They'll come close and you're going to have some gravitational effects, but the odds that any two object actually collides is really, really, really small.
01:13:49.000I think that when, you know, you pose that question to a lot of people, they imagine this apocalyptic scenario, but it's just, it's because they have a tough time estimating things.
01:13:59.000They have a tough time thinking outside of their bubble, outside of their own consciousness, into like, you know, What could that be?
01:14:04.000It's why Google used to have that interview question, that famous one, like, how many golf balls would fit in this school bus, right?
01:14:13.000And a lot of people criticize that as like, ah, what a dumb question.
01:14:16.000And it's like, well, they want to know, do you say a million, a billion, or a hundred thousand, right?
01:14:20.000They want to know at what scale are you able to estimate the size of an object?
01:14:25.000Because that just gives like a real quick feedback as to like, where are you on the critical thinking level?
01:14:31.000So I think that when you apply that to what we were talking about today, I think that a lot of people have a tough time, and myself included, have a tough time estimating and oftentimes taking a step back from whatever their current daily issue is,
01:14:47.000whatever their current stress is, whatever their current endorphin release they're seeking is, whatever their current thought is, and they have a tough time always keeping in perspective.
01:14:58.000Keeping in perspective what the rest of The universe is and the world is and and the other people even just next door to you are going through well There was an article that I tweeted today from Yahoo from the UK Evidence of the multiverse.
01:15:12.000We might have just bumped into another universe.
01:15:47.000Wrap your head around the idea of a star exploding and taking out the entire solar system or many other solar systems nearby and the fact that this is happening millions of times a day all throughout the universe.
01:16:01.000There was a documentary that they had I don't remember was science channel or what channel was on but where Scientists at one point in time were concerned that there was a war going on in space Because they were recognizing these gamma bursts these incredible bursts of massive amounts of energy and they were happening at a in a repeated fashion all throughout the sky and They had to try to figure out what the fuck was going on.
01:16:30.000Is there an alien war like this is like, you know What could this be?
01:17:36.000We have these paintings of what the Milky Way galaxy looks like.
01:17:40.000A lot of times people don't even ever have the thought, they would never need to even think about this, that we don't have a picture of what our galaxy looks like.
01:17:47.000We have an artist rendition of what we think our galaxy looks like, but the furthest craft we have is barely out of our own sun belt.
01:17:54.000It's out of our own gravitational pole from our own sun.
01:18:11.000Yeah, and even then, we're talking about hundreds of millions of light years.
01:18:16.000Right, so even going at the speed of light, it's going to take a hundred million years.
01:18:21.000The most mind fucky statistic that I ever saw in one of these documentaries was they were talking about the possibility of each hole.
01:18:29.000They were talking about the relative size of supermassive black holes and that every galaxy has a supermassive black hole that's one half of 1% of the mass of the galaxy.
01:18:40.000The larger the galaxy, the larger the black hole.
01:18:42.000And they're speculating that inside that black hole may be a whole nother universe with completely different laws, and that inside that universe may be other galaxies that have supermassive black holes at their center, and inside those supermassive black holes there are other universes.
01:18:59.000So in our hundreds of billions of galaxies, There may be hundreds of billions of individual universes inside of those.
01:19:08.000And when you go inside of them, there's hundreds of billions of more individual galaxies with hundreds of billions of more individual universes inside of them.
01:19:18.000And that is ultimately intensely fractal.
01:19:21.000And it is truly infinite in that sense.
01:19:23.000And which one of those are we in right now?
01:19:44.000Our lack of perspective is alarming, but fuck, it makes sense.
01:19:51.000I mean, we still have these goddamn monkey bodies.
01:19:54.000And I think that's ultimately going to be the big pull or the big appeal of transcending this physical embodiment that we carry our consciousness in.
01:20:05.000And then accepting this idea of a symbiotic relationship with some sort of microchips and Fucking fiber optic lines or whatever the hell it's gonna take form of I mean, we're essentially symbiotically connected to technology already with glasses You know we need these fucking things that we've created that cover over our eyes to see better or With phones man.
01:20:51.000Well, that's why when you say that over the timeline, you've seen we're getting closer and closer, the connections, more people are getting connected, and we're getting connected with more people and closer.
01:20:58.000I agree technologically, but I feel like in the real physical world that we live in, we're getting further apart.
01:21:04.000And we look at people's lives on social media, like on Instagram and Facebook, and all the models who are coming out right now with their posts about...
01:21:12.000Instagram models posting about what you don't see, the side of it you don't see, right?
01:21:17.000The hundred shots that it took her to get that perfect photo and the argument she got in with her sister over take one more, take one more, take one more before she got that perfect one that you're then liking and you're then trying to compare your life to.
01:21:29.000We are pushing our real connections and real personal lives.
01:21:34.000First of all, we're judging ourselves based by this impossible, unattainable standard on social media that That, you know, if someone takes a bad picture, they don't upload it.
01:21:42.000They delete that one and they take a better picture.
01:21:44.000And they take a better one and better one and better one until that's the one that it doesn't even look...
01:21:49.000And now we're expected to measure us looking at the mirror against that perfectly lit, perfectly critiqued, careful image of what we think our next best person is like.
01:21:58.000And that's got some really weird implications to evolution.
01:22:02.000I'll give you one example real quick with Instagram is...
01:22:06.000I have a little sister and I'm terrified of when every time she gets in another social media account because I'm like, oh no, like, you know, where is this going to lead?
01:22:15.000When I think about young kids, let's say impressionable teenagers who are going through the most important biological and neurological development phase of what will be their adult life, they're coming into their identity.
01:22:28.000And they have access to this dopamine drip, this endorphin drip in their brain that generations before never had that kind of access to.
01:22:35.000When a girl can upload a photo onto Instagram and start refreshing the dozens of, you're hot baby, sexy baby, nice smile, pretty girl.
01:22:44.000And she does that during a time when she's otherwise dealing with a difficult, conflicting emotion inside of her.
01:24:04.000I think I have this other thought about these things and this progression, and I think that we look at the world, we look at everything that's going on, whether it's butterflies or elk or eagles or caterpillars,
01:24:20.000and we look at it all and we say, well, that's nature.
01:24:23.000But we look at ourselves and because we're conscious and because we can make choices and because we can objectively look at the risks versus rewards of each decision and debate it amongst each other and seek advice from peers, we don't think of it as natural.
01:24:38.000We think of it as something that we can manipulate and something that we can change and that we can alter.
01:24:43.000But I think that human behavior might just be ultimately the most complex version of the natural world that we know.
01:24:51.000And that all of our behavior, all the stuff that we're doing, whether it's our rampant materialism, our obsession with attention and technology, All this stuff is leading to what I said before, this electronic caterpillar.
01:25:05.000I think that what we're doing right now is totally natural.
01:25:09.000And this obsession with checking your likes on your ass pic to make sure that everybody thinks you're hot, this is...
01:25:16.000This is all just going to fuel your desire to get a better camera.
01:25:20.000It's going to fuel your desire to get a new phone or to support the newest social media platform that's going to allow your ass to shake in a much more enticing way that's going to get you even more likes and hearts and fucking thumbs ups and emojis.
01:25:41.000I don't know what we can do about it other than communicate our concerns about the potential downfalls of this behavior and this kind of thing.
01:25:53.000Solve the negative problems that are coming with it as well.
01:25:56.000Keep an open mind about it and never stop communicating because as soon as we do that, we've lost.
01:26:01.000We've lost sight of what the goal was.
01:26:03.000And that's what's a huge problem with that company firing you because they impeded on your ability to communicate and You communicated in a very concise, objective, analytical way.
01:26:16.000You looked at the problem and said, look, this guy, he has every right to be an old bigot in the privacy of his own home.
01:26:22.000The fact that you got in trouble for that...
01:26:26.000It shows the repercussions and the downfalls of this new time.
01:27:07.000When that whole thing was unfolding, it got a lot.
01:27:12.000So a lot of media outlets, I linked you to the Opie and Anthony, they talked about it, and they completely held my back, obviously, because those guys are super level-headed people.
01:27:20.000But the media shitstorm that started to unfold, CNN, Fox News, everybody, every major outlet was reaching out to me, trying to get me to come on their show.
01:29:19.000Nothing is going to happen and we'll talk about it again tomorrow.
01:29:23.000And then when nothing happened and when everything goes away and no business deals were threatened, we'd go, now what was the big fucking deal?
01:29:40.000That was the other thing that they lost was all of these programs and initiatives that I was building and that I was going to take charge of and run through the game's launch cycle and keeping all of the players engaged.
01:29:50.000All this stuff I had done before, I was going to do again for them on this new IP, this new thing that needed that work more than anything.
01:29:57.000It didn't have anything to build off of.
01:32:13.000From what I know is the game just went through a lot of iteration.
01:32:18.000So every year, the next big thing came out, and the game was no longer the next big thing, so they had to add some more stuff to it to try to beat the thing that just came out.
01:33:10.000But imagine if for Bombshell we had indefinitely kept upgrading the engine, changing new technologies, implementing new technologies, and new workflows, and new stacks, and new things breaking.
01:33:22.000It would be a never-ending building and polishing cycle.
01:33:24.000So that was kind of my perspective of what Duke Nukem was stuck in for a long time.
01:33:28.000So it was just a poor management of the project.
01:33:32.000And, you know, creatively, you could debate whether it was also creatively like, you know, almost like this need for perfection, you know, like no one pixel can be out of place, that type of thing.
01:35:06.000Just the perfect stereotype of what that Schwarzenegger or Stallone character was from the 80s will reincarnate it in video game form in the 90s.
01:35:42.000She's not one of those, but she was a character who actually originated in the Duke Nukem era.
01:35:47.000Like, back in the 90s, she was concepted and conceived as a sidekick to Duke Nukem.
01:35:52.000And so when she was originally conceived, she was this...
01:35:55.000Kind of overly satirical version of the female sexy tie chick as well, in the same way Duke was, right?
01:36:01.000Which may have played back then, but it certainly wouldn't play today in the culture that we have now with feminism and with women in gaming.
01:36:08.000And even beyond that, just simply she wasn't a complex character.
01:36:13.000She wasn't propelling necessarily that storyline.
01:36:15.000So we had to kind of go back to the drawing board with this version of Bombshell, the one that we've been working on the last couple of years.
01:37:06.000But got it away from that and now we've turned it into, so that's the robot.
01:37:10.000So she's got this bionic arm, and she as a character is defined more by what she's been through, and very multifaceted personalities and attributes, not just traits, not just physical appearance.
01:37:23.000Do you have to run this past feminism and gaming to make sure that it's okay?
01:37:27.000No, but what I need to ask for all gamers, right, is to look at this and go, it's not easy making a strong female character that can appeal to both men and women.
01:39:03.000What we don't want to be doing to creators, to creative people, to artists, is making them kind of like we didn't want to walk on eggshells with talking about these controversial issues today, and I feel like we didn't.
01:39:14.000We don't want our artists walking on eggshells, worried about, well, what are people going to think?
01:39:18.000Are they going to be down our necks for being sexist or misogynist or...
01:39:22.000Or fueling some negative aspect of pop culture.
01:39:27.000Well, she's got big tits, so you're in trouble.
01:41:45.000It's amazing looking at this now, seeing how far along, even from when this video was recorded, how much better the game is.
01:41:51.000But these are the Xerath Guardians, one of the boss fights.
01:41:54.000So you're playing with two sticks on your controller.
01:41:56.000So you're running around with the left one, and you're aiming with the right thumbstick.
01:41:59.000And then you're shooting, you're using different abilities, different, you know, she's got her mighty punch, she's got eight different weapons that she can transform her arm into.
01:42:06.000And this is a standard, like, Xbox-type controller?
01:42:44.000Well, if you love Quake, and if you love first person shooters, we actually have a build engine prequel to Bombshell that's gonna come out after this game that takes place in the first person.
01:44:19.000Think about how many hours of entertainment you can get, especially if you turn it into a first-person shooter where you go online and play multiplayer.
01:44:41.000But yeah, you talk about even the full-price games, like Call of Duty will be $60, right?
01:44:45.000Well, that game, with how many hours you get to put in it, you compare it to a two-hour movie that you see for $12 or $14 down at the AMC, right?
01:44:53.000And you're getting so much bigger bang for your entertainment dollar buying a video game than you would in a movie.
01:44:58.000And so a lot of times when people are worried about our games getting too pricey, with mobile games being so cheap and so affordable that they are, with how much entertainment you're getting out of it, it's crazy.
01:45:53.000If you play bombshell and if you walk away with a different image jump into your head than just that blonde babe, scantily clad, tits and ass, then we've done something.
01:46:02.000We left an impression on you that tells you that what defines a bombshell, what defines a badass chick is more of her context in her life and what she's doing and how she's combating that adversity, then it is what she looks like.
01:46:14.000Are you guys preparing for feminist blowback?
01:46:18.000No, I mean, I think about it a little bit more myself just because of the way I think and what I've been through, but that's not what the team at Interceptor is the studio in Denmark making that game.
01:46:28.000Interceptor, no one there is thinking that.
01:46:29.000They're just thinking, we have this idea for an incredible chick, an incredible villain too.
01:47:32.000I've only worn well, I've won two two versions I've worn the original version which is very pixelated which was okay Amazing because it gave me this like whoa this idea like I see where this is going and then more recently I My friend Lewis from Unbox Therapy was in here,
01:47:48.000and he showed me one that's a cell phone.
01:49:36.000Try it out, because it's such an incredible experience.
01:49:38.000Well, I know John Carmack is involved with some Oculus Rift stuff, because we were tweeting back and forth, and I've been to Id Studios way back when, before Quake 3 was released.
01:49:49.000I got to play an early version of it with Tim Willits and all those guys online, or on a LAN, rather.
01:50:09.000Well, the first-person shooter in Oculus Rift would probably, if you can get some sort of an omnidirectional treadmill that feels realistic.
01:50:21.000Which is great because, you know, one of the things about Dance Dance Revolution, that game that's really popular in arcades, one of the cool side effects is a lot of people lost weight.
01:51:24.000It's your footprints are actually forcing it to move, so there's a little bit of resistance to it.
01:51:28.000The one that I saw, I didn't get to try it though, is they had this thing, this almost sock thing you put on.
01:51:34.000Instead of a shoe, it's like a boot that's super soft material.
01:51:36.000And then rather than the thing being a track that you have to move and have all that resistance, because that was harder to move, it was this really slick surface.
01:51:43.000So you're still bound in, but you just glide your feet over it.
01:51:47.000Yeah, and so you like polish it up like almost like a like a bowling alley you would and then so You're almost like walking in place and gliding and because you still have that harness holding up you don't slip and fall And that was kind of interesting too.
01:51:59.000That is kind of interesting I would think one would be better for fitness.
01:52:03.000Yeah, absolutely But we could probably get some really good workouts in with an omnidirectional treadmill with resistance and I know there's one that they're working on that I had heard is fucking terrifying.
01:52:15.000It's based on Ridley Scott's Alien, the first Alien movie.
01:52:30.000And you have to duck, and you actually see it walking around, and it's trying to find you, and you physically have to duck and move your body down so that it can't see you in the game.
01:52:39.000And when it finds you, it roars at you.
01:52:59.000Well, isn't this like sort of a glimpse of what's going to happen when they figure out how to make some sort of, not just goggles that you put on, like what they're doing with Oculus Rift, but some sort of a neural interface where they bring you into this world.
01:53:13.000Would you ever want to leave that world?
01:54:42.000I mean, if you go back to Pong, and you look at what you've got now with Bombshell, and you look at this, and you go, what the fuck is that?
01:55:54.000Yeah, it's just like a bunch of 2d objects put together and anyway, but this this Virtual reality was something that always had been talked about a long time ago It was always like the thing like one day.
01:56:06.000We're gonna have virtual reality I mean it was it was a big plot line in movies and like the 1980s, but the technology wasn't there but now the technology is finally caught up to it and Again, this is just the beginning.
01:56:20.000It's going to get crazier than this, right?
01:57:00.000Yeah, and I saw it online, and they were just sort of demonstrating it.
01:57:06.000It might just be like a proof of concept sort of a thing, but they were doing it in real time, and this person was moving around, watching all this shit happen.
01:57:19.000You're sitting in a theater, it's this big whole, big giant place, and everybody's sitting down eating popcorn and watching this flat screen in front of you where everything takes place.
01:57:27.000What if instead of that, you enter into a warehouse, and that warehouse is the film?
01:57:33.000You strap on these goggles, and they have an environment with wind and heat and all sorts of different three-dimensional environmental effects.
01:57:56.000And you could walk around in the Shire.
01:57:59.000I mean, you could be in the fucking Hobbit land, climbing the hill to where Bilbo Baggins' house is, opening the door, looking at him, and he's telling you to come on inside.
01:58:13.000There's the one proof of concept video, maybe Jamie can find it, where it's, with the Oculus Rift, they created a third-person shooter.
01:58:21.000So it's a real-life third-person game where the guy has a wide-angle camera mounted in a backpack on his back that is back here, so it looks down and it can see himself standing there.
01:58:32.000And he's wearing these 3D glasses and it's doing the head tracking in real time.
01:58:38.000There's maybe like an 80 millisecond delay.
01:58:42.000So he's seeing his own, he's literally living an out-of-body experience through Oculus Rift and he's walking around like he's a third-person avatar through the world.
01:59:07.000And Oculus, I think Oculus came out with a peripheral as well now where you hold these little things in your hands.
01:59:12.000And now the head tracking device can track, or the cameras can track where your hands are in relation to your eyes, so you can hold a gun up and see the gun that you're holding.
01:59:22.000You know, I mean, if your game, I mean, that would be so much more immersive.
01:59:26.000If you had a game that required you to shoot at monsters with a shotgun, and you had a fake shotgun, but it was heavy, like a metal shotgun, it had a real cocking mechanism, and you could really see the shells eject, you had to put new shells in, maybe.
01:59:40.000Maybe you have shells in your pocket, and that's how you reload.
01:59:55.000Where they had aliens breaking through the walls of your home.
02:00:00.000So it's not goggles, it's like a lens, and so you still see your space, but it's like as soon as you put them on, you could look at that wall, and now suddenly an alien can break through the wall, and it actually makes it look like your wall is tearing apart and aliens climbing through it.
02:00:14.000And then you're shooting at the alien in your own house at your own wall.
02:00:18.000So it's bringing video games into your world instead of putting, transplanting you into another world.
02:00:23.000HoloLens is bringing that game experience into wherever your space is.
02:00:51.000Well, they had one that was fascinating.
02:00:53.000It was this little girl sitting on her bed watching a four-inch high ballerina spinning around her bed like it was a real ballerina, like it was fucking Tinkerbell.
02:01:11.000Because obviously, they're going to take it to the next place as they become more educated and they go to school and they learn how to create this kind of content and...
02:01:20.000They learn how to evolve it and make it better and make the technology better.
02:02:38.000And it's all the planets are the right size and the proper order.
02:02:42.000And just imagine the applications for this.
02:02:44.000Imagine when a science teacher can put this in a classroom and let you, like, walk around a universe or a galaxy and interact with the objects in, like, your actual space.
02:02:54.000What I'm confused is, what's the projection method?
02:03:26.000Because there was one image that they had where it was a floating whale.
02:03:32.000They were on the beach and they were looking up and above the beach, like where the sand is, there was a whale that was floating in the sky.
02:03:40.000I could only imagine that that would be the case if you were wearing some goggles or something like that.
02:03:44.000How are you going to project something in the air and have it look completely three-dimensional and solid?
02:03:58.000But here's the thing, so weren't all of them, in the YouTube clip I saw, all the people in the room were reacting too.
02:04:04.000Exactly, but here you're seeing a bunch of kids in a gymnasium that are watching this whale fly through the air, but the kids don't have anything on their eyes that we can see.
02:04:16.000They'll tell us eventually, but obviously this is some stuff they're working on right now.
02:04:23.000Yeah, when I saw the clip, I assumed that they were just reacting because they had said, oh, now there's a whale jumping out and just react so that it makes the viral video on you.
02:06:43.000And not to go back to all that stuff again, but it's like the next generation, even my younger sister's generation, they didn't have all that perspective necessarily.
02:06:54.000And now I have little toddlers and nephews who are growing up with iPads and they're doing stuff sitting on the couch after school on their iPad.
02:07:07.000Do you think you and I are in the best generation for perspective?
02:07:11.000Or do you think that it's better to be a generation now?
02:07:15.000Or a generation before you and I? Well, I think if you want to compare the two, there's no way they're going to understand what it was like to not have the internet.
02:07:32.000We're never going to really know what that's like.
02:07:35.000But I think the leap between no written language to written language took so much longer to have an impact than what we're experiencing in just a couple of decades.
02:07:46.000In a couple of decades, the world has changed radically, and it's happened right in front of our eyes.
02:07:51.000And I think that human beings have a really difficult time recognizing change while it's taking place right in front of them.
02:08:09.000This was when it came alive, when information became viral for the first time, like literally viral, like became almost a living organism and spread.
02:08:19.000And there was hiccups and there was Justine Sacco and Josh Olin and there was all sorts of weird shit that happened along the way and virus.
02:10:05.000Well, they're doing that because they can.
02:10:06.000This is the first time they've ever had a voice in their whole life and they're going to use it to displace some of the anger and hate that they have in their own life and just throw it out there in the world.
02:10:16.000And these are all like hiccups and growing pains and I think it's amazing.
02:10:24.000That's why I like to still be talking to as many people as I can and changing and influencing in a positive way, hopefully, as many lives as I can because just like the universe, you know, I'm a part of it.
02:10:35.000I'm in the middle of it and I want to be a part of it and I want you to be a part of it.
02:10:39.000That's why I love comedians too and I respect comedians because they talk about these kinds of social issues with such, you know, just absolutely brazenness and they don't care Most people don't care what other people think about it and they make they make you laugh at the same time that they make you really think and be thoughtful about it so I really respect what you do and and You know kind of paving the way for that because you you were doing that in an era before there was social media So well,
02:11:06.000it was easier before there was social media you were eating is attacked for it It was limited to one room at a time, right?
02:11:12.000You got attacked in that room, you know, but I think people had less of a They had less of this entitlement to outrage that people have now.
02:11:24.000And I think that there has been some attacks on comedians that have gone sort of the way that, you know, you see these attacks on people for whatever reason in social media, whether it's the Lion Killer guy or Justine Saka or you, there's going to be these targets that exist.
02:11:41.000And they have occasionally gone after comedians.
02:11:44.000And for the most part, comedians have vehemently And aggressively supported and defended themselves.
02:11:59.000Daniel Tosh had an incident that there was a few comedians that actually turned on him, and they were ostracized by the community.
02:12:06.000People will never respect them or forget that they, for social media brownie points, they tried to pretend that what he did was some outrageous thing.
02:12:17.000So it happens everywhere, because that was the one thing that I wish would have, if I could have changed anything about what happened with me, it would have been that I would have loved for more of my peers to come out and been like, this is wrong.
02:12:27.000I would have loved for more people to have had the gonads to come out and say, Fuck that.
02:12:56.000The art form of stand-up comedy depends upon freedom.
02:13:00.000Because you're going to say things that are offensive, you know, that you don't even mean, because the offensive things will be funny, you know?
02:13:06.000And you've got to know when you mean them or when you don't mean them.
02:13:10.000I went through this whole bit in my last special where I was explaining, like, this is a Tracy Morgan bit that he got in trouble for, because he said that if his son was gay, he would stab him.
02:13:19.000And then I'm like, well, he also said he would eat a mile of shit to get to Beyonce's ass.
02:13:24.000Do you understand he said both of those things in the same set?
02:13:27.000Like, you gotta, like, look at what he's doing.
02:13:31.000He's saying things that are outrageous that are not real.
02:13:34.000He's not in court giving an affidavit.
02:13:36.000He's making a joke because he knows that some parents are shitheads when their sons come out to them, right?
02:13:41.000And that's the joke that he was making, and I understand that, and you hear that.
02:13:45.000I don't think that's what he was doing.
02:14:43.000And I completely reject that theory, right?
02:14:45.000In video games, we get that a lot with violence in video games.
02:14:47.000There was a lot, a lot of lawsuits actually went to the Supreme Court in California over California versus the EMA. And thankfully, video games won.
02:14:59.000But what they were arguing is that violent video games can lead to these mass shootings, can lead to violence in your life, lead to aggression, despite not a single study supporting any of that evidence.
02:15:08.000And I come to realize that video games as an industry, we're just younger.
02:15:35.000And no matter what someone writes in a manifesto or what someone, you know, some study person might think, you know, at some university, there's nothing that suggests that.
02:15:46.000And if anything, there's data that suggests that, you know, these things as mediums are releases.
02:15:58.000There's this idea that watching something violent and watching something sexual and watching these things that are horrific, they release this anxiety and they release the desire to actually do those things.
02:16:11.000And that you can somehow or another By, you know, by viewing those, alleviate those issues in your own mind.
02:16:18.000I used to work on Call of Duty, and so we, of course, a game like that has a close interaction with the armed services, with our militaries.
02:16:27.000And every time that I met with them, they would tell me stories about things like...
02:16:32.000You know, so vets would talk about how they deal with, like, PTSD. They deal with adjusting to society by playing Call of Duty.
02:16:39.000Or people on deployment in, like, FOBs.
02:16:42.000Like, you know, Boots in the Sand would talk about going to, you know, going in and playing these things.
02:16:46.000Because they would have little, almost like internet cafes.
02:16:49.000They'd have little tents set up where they would go in and play the games on workstations.
02:16:54.000And we actually would send sometimes Xboxes out to them and help them get through that stuff.
02:17:00.000And again, to them, it was like that was their way of keeping a sense of sanity and normalcy to their otherwise hell, the hell they had to go through.
02:17:09.000And those stories, they always ring home to me, and I realize that no matter how much...
02:18:46.000You have a theory, and so you will look at the world through the stained-glass lenses of that theory, instead of looking at it objectively and understanding the data and what the data is telling you.
02:18:54.000And you're always going to have examples where you can point the finger at that person and blame whatever influences from the media, whether it's music or games or films or anything, for their behavior and their actions.
02:19:11.000But you've got to have to look at all the factors in their life.
02:19:14.000And what percentage of the pie is the video game?
02:19:23.000Them getting sexually abused or beaten up or bullied or the fact their mom drank like a fish when they were in the womb, who the fuck knows what makes a broken person.
02:19:31.000The idea that a person can be perfectly normal and then sit down and play Call of Duty and want to go fucking shoot up a mall, that's crazy talk.
02:19:39.000And you as an adult producing a product that is supposed to be, at the very least, your parents are supposed to approve your use of it.
02:19:50.000But most of it is like kids that are, you know, in their teens or older, they've formed their own personalities already.
02:19:59.000You're not getting your personality from playing bombshell.
02:20:02.000And even still, we still have rating systems, just like the movies have the MPAA. We still have the ESRB. We're still properly rating them and making sure that parents have to sign off if they're going to buy the thing with the kid.
02:20:18.000Because it's still good to be better safe than sorry, I agree, but not to the degree that you're removing an entire genre of game or genre of entertainment because of it.
02:20:28.000And people should be allowed to vote with their pocketbook.
02:20:32.000You should be able to vote with your wallet.
02:20:35.000If you think that something's offensive, and you think Grand Theft Auto legitimizes robbery and violence, I don't want to be a part of that.
02:20:54.000And I think video games have been the latest victim, or the latest in our culture, of something that Tipper Gore tried to do with rap music.