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00:04:51.000Everybody agrees with it to that extent, to a certain extent.
00:04:54.000It's kind of like being a fighter, I think, in a way, is where people are looking at it and they're like...
00:04:58.000I would have liked to have taken that chance.
00:05:00.000Whenever you're doing anything that people are reticent to jump into and they go, man, I would have liked to join the SEALs.
00:05:06.000I would have liked to have done whatever the thing is and the window closed or whatever happened and didn't have the courage to pull the trigger on it.
00:05:12.000But then they see a guy like that and they're like, he's expressing and manifesting in a way that I would like to be able to do, but I just can't do it.
00:05:19.000I'm caught up in all this other stuff.
00:05:34.000There's something huge about freedom, man.
00:05:37.000There's a great argument to be made that people don't want to be free.
00:05:40.000We talk a lot about freedom, but motherfuckers like to have handcuffs on.
00:05:45.000They like to have a wife that's basically like a game warden, you know, that tells them what they can bag and when they can come home and, you know, it's nighttime!
00:06:32.000But how could you say that when you were a SEAL? I mean, you were involved in gunfights, you were in SEAL Team 6. Can I tell you the starkest thing that he said?
00:07:38.000The MP5, I didn't say I shot anybody with the MP5, because like I said, I trained on them in the 90s and then realized that the turn of the century came, so we can put the muskets and the MP5s away and pick up some other firepower.
00:08:15.000All my money went into beauty products, which most of it still does, obviously.
00:08:19.000One of the darkest things that I ever heard about warfare was in the Dan Carlin Hardcore History series about the Mongols.
00:08:24.000We talked about Mongols lighting bodies on fire and launching them with catapults onto the rooftops of these buildings because they had thatched roofs.
00:08:33.000And human bodies, they're fatty, you know, and they light on fire good and they stay lit.
00:09:02.000All of a sudden your dad comes through the roof.
00:09:04.000I mean, I'm not going to say there's an argument to be made for doing that, but...
00:09:07.000What if you could do that once and not have to fight two more battles because the people you want to fight against see that and they're like, nope, check, you win.
00:09:15.000That's the ethical argument for being ruthless, right?
00:09:17.000The ethical argument is if you could be ruthless in a short amount of time and just absolutely stop all the bullshit, that you will actually save lives.
00:09:25.000Yeah, you'll mitigate the loss of the future.
00:09:41.000And then I read something, too, that Japan had already been orchestrating a piece and a settle of that, and they're like, we're already online with these.
00:12:14.000And before that Al-Qaeda, and then before that Syria.
00:12:16.000And the whole thing becomes like a subterfuge.
00:12:20.000And going, well now we need to be intrinsically laden into these different governments.
00:12:24.000Because they could be, they're a little bit in France, and they're a little bit in Saudi Arabia.
00:12:27.000And then the military-industrial complex just grows and grows and grows.
00:12:30.000I think I had the benefit though, to answer your question, because...
00:12:35.000I can't even describe the amount of respect that I have for conventional forces and the shit that is forced upon them given their job description.
00:12:43.000We could spend hours talking about it.
00:12:44.000You mean just like being in an impossible situation and giving horrible decisions to make?
00:12:49.000Not necessarily horrible decisions, but they're trained to the best of the ability that they can.
00:12:54.000But there's no time or money or equipment to continue sharpening the blade, right?
00:12:59.000So they're large mechanized units or they got to walk around and they're told to go own battle space.
00:13:06.000And some of the battle space is passive and some of it's aggressive.
00:13:09.000And it's a job where the local people don't want you to be there.
00:13:14.000It's super kinetic and they have to fucking live there.
00:13:17.000You know, and they, to them, I don't know how you define victory to those forces.
00:13:21.000For us, I think we had a little bit of a benefit and it was less frustrating because it was targeted.
00:13:26.000I mean, we would have a list, a target list where, you know, like in Iraq in 2005, that we were on full, like, vampire schedule.
00:13:35.000I'd sleep all day long, get up right before the sun went down, go hit a workout, hit dinner, and I'd just go sit down in the office and, you know, the cell phone network would crack on and it's just...
00:14:31.000You know, you could look at the lines of warfare that we were trying to go down and the things that we were trying to affect, and we're like, cool.
00:15:14.000I mean, really, that is how most of it works.
00:15:16.000I'm asking, though, as a Team 6 guy, is it coming from on high, or are you guys deciding, no, this is the guy that is closest to our objectives as a country?
00:15:28.000A lot of the times, like the target deck, you still, even overseas, you work for a battlespace commander, and they have objectives that they're trying to get achieved in that battlespace.
00:15:37.000So you have to justify what you're going to do against what they're trying to do.
00:15:42.000But if there are certain high-level individuals, like if that individual pops up, you're going to stop everything you're doing, and you're going to go after them, like Zah.
00:16:42.000You look just like the picture that I drew on my arm.
00:16:45.000You look just like the time to get the donuts guy.
00:16:48.000Or they'd be like, hey, his name is Abu Smith, which means son of Smith, and everybody's fucking name in the city is Abu Smith, so you roll the dude up and you get back, and you're like, these are not the droids that you're looking for.
00:17:01.000That's a big argument for Guantanamo Bay, right?
00:17:03.000That Guantanamo Bay, there's a lot of people over there that were just guilted by a socialist.
00:17:07.000Or they went to school in the wrong place, or they attended the wrong meetings, and they just got shackled up and put in some orange jumpsuits and stuffed into some holes.
00:18:56.000So let's say, not a 9-11 scenario, but say he becomes the guy that goes to France and starts hacking dudes with a machete, and you knowingly let him go because you believe in justice.
00:19:32.000What is the attitude amongst SEAL Team 6?
00:19:37.000How do they feel about these guys that were inaccurately portrayed or inaccurately Assessed and then wound up being stuffed into these hell holes for years, tortured, beaten.
00:19:51.000Who knows what the fuck they're doing to those guys.
00:19:53.000Look, we know what happened with those photos that got leaked for...
00:20:20.000You'd kill them because you would think that they would go out and...
00:20:22.000I would rather err on the side of killing somebody who hasn't done anything than allow somebody to go out there and perpetuate violence on somebody else.
00:20:32.000So you don't think that someone who hasn't done violence, who has been locked up against their will, you don't think that they deserve a shot?
00:20:39.000You don't think that they deserve an opportunity to prove that they're not radicalized?
00:20:43.000I think once they're radicalized like that, it's...
00:20:59.000And like I said, I can only speak for myself and this is probably why I'm not in the position of making policy and I don't control Gitmo.
00:21:04.000But you're also a guy who has to make split-second decisions to save your life and the life of all the people you love and care for because they're all around you and they're all in the firefight.
00:21:13.000I've seen what these radical people can do, like, firsthand.
00:21:16.000Like, there's what people think that these people will do, and then there's the lowest form of gnarly shit.
00:21:23.000Not even the way that the things that they've done against the U.S., but, like, some of the things that I've seen of how they treat each other in their countries and these super radicalized areas that are hard to get into.
00:21:33.000Like, I mean, it's just, I don't even know how to describe it.
00:21:46.000I entered a room and I didn't even recognize what the being was and it was fucking chained to a floor in a room that I went into because it was just inbred and they'd go in and they'd smack it around and throw out some food and like...
00:21:59.000If you're willing to do that to a human being, like, you don't get a second chance from me.
00:22:57.000I want to say, too, coming where I come from, I say what I say, but I'm sure I would have a different view walking in your shoes.
00:23:06.000Yeah, so it's the radicals that once you get to that level, first off, if you're weak enough to have your mind changed like that and you can't stand for the morals that you know to be true, it's a problem.
00:23:20.000Well, there's one thing changed and there's one thing developed in that environment.
00:23:23.000There's a big difference between someone who's changed and another one.
00:23:29.000If that's all you know and that's the world you know, And you think that Islam is the truth, you think that the Quran is the doctrine that you have to follow, and that 72 virgins are awaiting you in heaven, then sex slaves are permitted.
00:23:41.000Then there's all sorts of things that are halal that we would think of as being horrific that are totally permitted.
00:23:47.000It's societal standards and culture is a big part of the way people decide what's acceptable, what's not acceptable.
00:23:57.000I think for us, growing up in America, it's almost impossible to understand what it would be like to be living in, like, one of the most radicalized parts of the world.
00:24:05.000You can't understand the radical behavior, which is why I have no problem saying that a guy who went and did nothing but became radicalized, like, to me, that's a rote mathematical equation right there.
00:24:24.000The counterinsurgency strategy is based off winning the hearts and minds of the people that we're going into the countries that we're going into.
00:24:32.000And I think the only way that I can describe it that makes sense to people, that might at least allow them to think outside of the education aspect is that...
00:24:48.000Like, articulate for me how much you love yourself.
00:24:49.000It's impossible for anybody to ever express it in a way that someone who doesn't have daughters would ever understand, or sons, or children.
00:24:57.000And so love is a good analogy because if you can understand how hard it is to articulate that, then you understand that there's another side of that coin, and that there's a community of people somewhere on Earth.
00:25:09.000That hate you to the exact same degree that you love your children and can't articulate and would do everything they fucking can to end our way of life because we let women go outside and have their skin exposed.
00:26:33.000If you believe in what you believe enough, then to protect that, at some point, you're going to have to go beyond the educational aspect of that.
00:26:40.000But isn't that only the case in a place like a radicalized part of the world?
00:26:52.000And maybe it's out of fear, and maybe it's out of being outnumbered, maybe it's out of the ideal of the people.
00:26:57.000But in America, if you believe some wacky shit, like if you're a Mooney or whatever the fuck you are, we're like, yeah, he's a poor bastard.
00:27:04.000He's out there giving money to L. Ron Hubbard.
00:27:09.000If I believe that you're crazy is anything for believing in whatever it is, I'm not out there trying to change your mind.
00:27:14.000But if you look in your neighbor's window, and you have a daughter, if you looked in your neighbor's window, you saw your neighbor putting on a fucking bomb vest and kneeling towards the east and praying, and you had a rifle, tell me you wouldn't want to put one in his brain right there.
00:28:25.000Now, when you have a whole country filled of you might be a problem, That's when things get real weird, right?
00:28:30.000But then the problem is, how do they get to be that?
00:28:33.000And that's one of the big issues with the United States foreign policy, military intervention, military-industrial complex that keeps fucking with all these different parts of the world and puts good soldiers and good people in jeopardy.
00:28:44.000And for that, you'll never get an argument from me.
00:28:47.000You'd be amazed at how many people in the military don't necessarily agree with the foreign policy of the United States of America.
00:29:21.000In Afghanistan, up in the Konar Valley, which is inaccessible unless you're a fucking reindeer or have a CH-47 and you can go up there, you could ask somebody, hey, where's Osama bin Laden?
00:29:34.000And they'll be like, who's Osama bin Laden?
00:29:39.000So in those environments or any time that you're actually interfacing with those people or those cultures, they're looking at you as the United States of America.
00:29:50.000Conduct myself in a manner that is commensurate with the moral values that I have, regardless of my thoughts about the foreign policy of the country that I'm over there to represent.
00:30:07.000I mean, people think it's to go turn the hearts and plant democracy and all that, but it's only for money and to feed the military-industrial complex.
00:30:15.000I'll go down the road with you on that a little bit.
00:30:19.000Who do you think is culpable for Guantanamo Bay terrorists being made?
00:30:23.000I mean, who do you think is culpable for going in and attacking sovereign countries for oil under the auspices that we're going to find the real terrorists?
00:30:35.000There are parts of the world where people become a threat, and you have to figure out at what point in time do you step in?
00:30:42.000Do you allow these people to get nuclear weapons and do what we did to Japan?
00:30:45.000Do you allow these people to get to...
00:31:35.000And we assume that because the United States of America is the dominant superpower in the world, because we have so much...
00:31:41.000And the way we look at things is different.
00:31:43.000If you walk through the streets of New York and Los Angeles, you're relatively safe, much more safe than any human being has ever been in any other time.
00:31:50.000We assume that this is static, that this is going to stay this way, but not.
00:31:55.000As Americans, we also assume it's like that everywhere else.
00:32:00.000That's a very good point, and that's what sort of dictates our ideas about how the rest of the world should and shouldn't behave, or how we should and shouldn't interface with the rest of the world.
00:32:09.000But if some shit went down, a fucking nuclear bomb gets dropped in Chicago, levels the city, the infrastructure gets crushed, the power grid goes down for a couple weeks, chaos, starvation, and then an army attacks.
00:32:21.000Whether it's the army attacking with fucking drones or satellites, who knows what the fuck could happen.
00:32:27.000But a significantly diminished armed forces, significantly diminished country, the whole world could fucking change overnight.
00:33:00.000If they're looking at people like ISIS, they're looking at, regardless of how they were created, regardless of whether or not these guys were formed in Guantanamo Bay, against their will, you gotta figure, like, what's the endgame here, and how do we engineer the future?
00:33:14.000But do we have a moral and ethical Government or military.
00:33:18.000I mean, in those ways, it's like, or is it chase and greed?
00:33:22.000I mean, at that point, I look at it and I go, is our best course then to go out and eradicate people or is it to change our foreign policy and to not be kind of...
00:33:33.000It's a good question, but you kind of got to deal with what the table is right now in 2015. Yeah, you can't ignore what's at your doorstep, but I think there's truth to what you're- But what do you feel?
00:33:47.000Like Joe's saying, if the pizza guy's ringing your doorbell- You know, you might want to go handle that.
00:33:55.000But at the same time, you know, you need to go and think about, I personally believe you need to think about the things that is causing and shaping the world.
00:35:35.000And this is like the argument about 9-11 being an inside job.
00:35:38.000I think it's much, much more likely there was incompetence and then that people capitalize on an opportunity to do something they've always wanted to do.
00:35:47.000You know that Afghanistan and you know that Dick Cheney and Bush had been talking about going into Iraq and trying to form a strategy for going in Iraq for a long time.
00:35:57.0009-11 comes around and they're like, look, we got it.
00:36:01.000The idea that that was all orchestrated is a very convoluted idea.
00:36:06.000And I don't necessarily think the facts support it.
00:36:09.000I think the facts, if you look at human history, it's way more likely that you're dealing with massive incompetence than you're dealing with A massive conspiracy.
00:36:19.000You ever see Wesley Clark, General Wesley Clark, talk about that, right?
00:36:23.000Well, I think he's 100% being honest and accurate about that when he's talking about all the different plans and strategies of invading all these different places.
00:36:30.000But I think that when something like 9-11 comes around, it's a green light for these assholes.
00:36:37.000I think they just didn't have a real way to do it.
00:36:40.000I think you've got both, is what I'm trying to say.
00:36:42.000I think you've got both incompetence, and then you've got people like Dick Cheney that are clear chicken hawks, and was fucking...
00:36:48.000I mean, you can't be any more transparent than a guy that's running a company that rebuilds shit after we blow it up, and then decides to go blow shit up.
00:36:56.000I think there's actually a lot of supporting documentation to, like, there being a lot of the chicken hawk stuff, people just standing by.
00:37:03.000Like, they want to do stuff, and they're waiting for the impetus where it's going to be the society will be like, yes.
00:37:07.000They'll be like, yes, okay, you can go do this.
00:37:10.000Because in a lot of that stuff, in a lot of that, you know, the military machine and...
00:37:15.000Once the cart has left the barn, it's a tough fucker to get back in the barn.
00:37:42.000I believe, exactly you do, the gross incompetence, because I go through the airport all the time and I see the people who are screening me this day, and I know for a fact that it was gross incompetence because the guy's fucking drooling looking at the...
00:39:55.000There's also a problem that when a corporation does something fucked up, the people inside the corporation aren't held responsible like individuals.
00:40:02.000You have a diffusion of responsibility.
00:40:04.000There's too many guys, you know, because you're not a bad guy, you're not a bad guy, I'm not a bad guy, we're all just pushing our pen this way and that way.
00:40:09.000Right, so you get to a certain number.
00:40:11.000Okay, like, let's look at Caveman Coffee.
00:40:13.000Caveman Coffee is a small company, right?
00:40:16.000Well, what if Caveman Coffee grows to be something like Folgers or Maxwell House, and we find out that you guys are shacking people?
00:40:47.000So let me ask you this, because as a decorated veteran who's seen combat, what if you, in hindsight is of course 2020, not criticizing any decisions that have been made, but if you saw what you've seen, and 9-11 happened today,
00:42:39.000I don't think I would have myself personally, if I was king for the day, I wouldn't have invaded either.
00:42:44.000If I could use modern day technology, and this is still what I think I personally would do today, is I would pull back all the U.S. forces in Afghanistan and the ones that are near Iraq.
00:42:54.000And instead of occupying, which has been proven to be ineffective time and time and time again...
00:43:19.000I would develop the intelligence to be certain of the people that we're looking for.
00:43:24.000You know, you got to leverage the assets.
00:43:26.000And so sometimes you might be wrong with these surgical strikes, but I'm okay with that.
00:43:29.000But I would go surgically as opposed to occupying.
00:43:32.000And I would leverage all the resources to do it that way, as opposed to putting an infrastructure in place that costs billions of dollars to support.
00:43:39.000Because you're a goddamn American, Andy Stumpf.
00:44:08.000You know, again, it's, fuck hindsight, it's 20-20, but again, you just can't occupy.
00:44:12.000You cannot occupy because it doesn't work.
00:44:14.000Now, do you believe that, like, so when you say you go in and you kind of change policies and you're working assets that are there, you get more assets if you're judicious, right?
00:44:24.000Do you believe in a universal justice and harmony in that way of, like, if America's behaving in a proper and appropriate way in the world, yeah, there's going to be radical assholes that are here and there and whatever, but there's going to be assets within those countries that are going, this is working for righteousness for all people.
00:44:40.000I don't think that the scales would balance in that regard, because you're talking about the difference between rational thought and irrational thought.
00:44:47.000And irrational people just take it too far.
00:44:49.000You've got a pound on one side, and then an irrational guy's got two pounds.
00:44:53.000So you could have a million people, you know, rationally thinking, or nine people with fucking box cutters, irrationally thinking, and you can look at what happens.
00:45:03.000They don't balance themselves that way.
00:45:05.000And the way of human nature is, is you always look at...
00:45:08.000It's all you only vote for what you don't like you don't really vote for what you like Yeah, you know, it's like that's kind of how we're cut in a way Well, it's easier to point out things that are mistakes.
00:45:16.000I mean, it's easier for me to articulate bad leadership then be like Good leadership be like he's doing how difficult it is it to to try to formulate correct intelligence about a country on the other side of the planet and And what are you doing to get?
00:45:32.000That's one of the things that's always gotten me like, what are they using?
00:45:56.000So go ahead, draw me a map of where this ISIS that you'd like to have taken care of is, and when you realize it's populated across multiple countries, and they communicate over an electronic medium that we can't control, and they don't get together because they understand what happens when they do get together.
00:46:10.000Communicate through fucking photographs that you can send on Instagram.
00:46:13.000They could send a photograph on Instagram or on YouTube.
00:46:16.000They could send a video and have metadata in that photo that they have to take it and they send it through a filter and they figure out what you're trying to say.
00:46:24.000You could send them a picture in an email.
00:46:26.000Hey, man, just chilling here in fucking Canoga Park, eating a sub, you know, and have you smile with a meatball sub.
00:46:32.000And there's metadata in that they can transcribe.
00:47:06.000That's the other thing, is that they have access to equipment and high-tech technology that, you know, technology has reached such an incredible level that the average person has access to some pretty fucking significant shit.
00:47:20.000And if you're an evil person on the other side of the planet, you can keep track of a lot of stuff that's going on.
00:48:17.000Because, again, that's the direction that I would go with it.
00:48:19.000I mean, it's lower risk than exposing...
00:48:23.000Large force over a truncated time period and isn't there also a big issue right now with our Drawn out sort of Cold War battle being brought back to life.
00:48:33.000We've got a real issue now with Russia, right?
00:48:36.000I mean this this whole Putin thing it seems It seems like there's a real animosity between Russia and the United States that is rekindled that we didn't feel for decades.
00:48:48.000You know, Putin has kind of brought this back to life.
00:48:51.000And strategically, if he should decide to align himself with people that are the friends of ISIS, like not necessarily ISIS themselves, but just close enough and close enough proximity that he can sort of fuel that fire,
00:49:06.000Whether it's with information, with strategy, with money, arms, equipment, like nuclear bombs.
00:49:13.000That's what everyone's more terrified of than anything, is that some radicalized Crazy fucking group gets a hold of a bomb and decides to blow Paris up or decides to blow whatever.
00:52:53.000And I can tell you the reasons that I was told is, you know, by leaving the body there, it would have basically turned that into a new, I don't want to say Mecca because that's the wrong word, but a new shrine to whatever he stood for.
00:53:05.000So they removed the body, gave it the Muslim burial that it deserved or did not, depending on, you know, which way you swing on that opinion.
00:55:12.000If anybody thinks a politician is out for anything other than themselves or their own things that are good for them, then you're probably operating from not a really good standpoint.
00:55:21.000You say that, but have you seen Bernie Sanders' photo of him with Jesus?
00:55:24.000Because I don't know what the fuck you're talking about now.
00:55:54.000It was actually just sketched in life, not Bernie Sanders.
00:55:57.000I think that we need a Brian Stan president next, really, because I feel like the next president, if Putin is the real deal, and he is, man.
01:00:53.000That's why when someone finds out about something like weapons of mass destruction in Iraq not being real, and they immediately go to the conspiracy angle, where a guy like you, who was on the ground, can say, well look, we really thought that was the case.
01:01:09.000And it's really hard to gather up that information.
01:01:11.000I mean, it's embarrassing to say looking back, but that's where our head was at.
01:03:59.000Basically spreading Greg's conceptual foundation all over the world.
01:04:03.000Went all over and then I managed the licensing and sponsorship deals when I came back off the military deployment in 2010. So I managed the Reebok deal that CrossFit has.
01:04:12.000And then started flying again and then flew him for like three years as well too.
01:04:17.000So I was in the military doing all that double dipping while I was in.
01:04:34.000And I'd rather have people do that than sit on the couch and eat Doritos.
01:04:38.000But I think the argument for functional fitness and the ability to actually be able to do something with all the hard work you're doing, you can't argue against it, really, right?
01:05:02.000The argument against it by guys who are very knowledgeable about strength and conditioning is that you shouldn't do powerlifting exercises for a large amount of reps, and that it's damaging for the body.
01:05:30.000Sure, but you can kill yourself drinking too much water, too.
01:05:33.000I mean, you've got to put that in perspective.
01:05:34.000Well, Maxwell's problem with it has always been that it's a competition for exercise where he feels like exercise should be used to get you in better shape for competition.
01:05:44.000And that having a competition out of lifting weights for a bunch of repetitions is silly.
01:05:49.000It is silly, but I would also say that's a bastardization of what the company actually stands for.
01:05:54.000The competition aspect was in a group classroom setting.
01:05:58.000And if you take that and expand it beyond that, it stops making sense at an exponential rate.
01:06:09.000And if you're racing, if all three of us are doing, if I'm doing something by myself that has a time component to it, and then you two come in the room and we're all going to do it together, you know damn well I'm like, how's Joe doing over there?
01:06:47.000The idea of CrossFit is getting somebody to not die of diabetes anymore.
01:06:52.000The idea of CrossFit is to change people's lives and to have that spread through communities and go, God, my mom's doing this and now she dropped 50 pounds and she stopped taking insulin.
01:07:01.000I thought the idea of CrossFit is just not being able to shut the fuck up about CrossFit all the time.
01:08:22.000He's got a new epoch in his life and he's leading these athletes that are mitigated by different paralysis and all that.
01:08:29.000And he's become a symbol of hope and connectedness in this whole other regime.
01:08:37.000Like in my gym at Undisputed in Santa Fe, we've got four athletes that are in wheelchairs.
01:08:43.000That compete and that drive, and they get through this, you know, for those, Kevin went right into it, because he was already an athlete, he already had that competition mind, but, you know, a lot of those guys, they have an accident, they go through drugs, they go through suicidal ideas, and then after they're paralyzed for a while,
01:08:58.000they go, you know what, maybe I'm going to live this way a long time, and maybe I need to change my life, and there's a whole group of community that's doing it.
01:09:06.000Is he paralyzed from the neck down, the waist down?
01:10:39.000So, you get to a SEAL team and you're brand new.
01:10:41.000And nowadays, when you get your trident, the pin that is the designator that makes you a SEAL, you have to go through the jump training before.
01:10:48.000You go through static line, which is analogous to jumping off the roof of this building with no parachute.
01:10:54.000To free fall jumping, which is awesome.
01:10:56.000You're falling through the air and you're like, you know, like the point brick, you know.
01:11:04.000So when you get to the SEAL team, though, when I got into 97, because I wasn't free-fall qualified, all we had to do, or all we could do, was static line jump.
01:11:12.000So we'd get on the plane with the free-fall guys, and they would just sit there and laugh at us as we left the plane at, like, 1,200 feet, on our little parachute, walking off the ramp with our static line, and bam!
01:11:22.000And, like, just eat shit into the ground.
01:11:25.000And after about a week of that, I'm like, okay...
01:11:28.000I've had enough of this static line shit.
01:11:30.000So I went out, found a civilian skydiving drop zone by my house and went through the six hours of required ground training and then seven jumps.
01:11:39.000It took me all of two days to do that and then started jumping on my own.
01:11:43.000Got about 500 jumps myself and then challenged the military curriculum.
01:11:48.000Instead of having to wait the five years to go to get military free fall qualified because I was just tired of augering in on the static line jumps.
01:13:18.000So I ordered both at the same time, did seven jumps in the suit that I was wildly underqualified to jump in, and then just put the big one on.
01:13:29.000I was actually, in my head, I thought it was going to be way worse because, I mean, I like to be able to do this, you know, like move around.
01:16:24.000I didn't have an altimeter on, so like I said, I had an audible in my ear that was set to go off at certain altitudes, and the lower beep did not go off.
01:16:33.000But I calibrated my cameras before I went.
01:16:35.000I was like, camera one, camera two, camera one, camera two, let's go.
01:16:51.000Because I had just gotten back from a month base jumping in Europe where I was used to pulling at like 400 feet.
01:16:57.000So I had seen those visuals of the ground coming up and I had an altimeter alert set for 10,000, one set for 5,500 and my last one I wanted to go off at three.
01:17:05.000So I got the 10,000 foot alert, no problem.
01:17:08.0005,500 foot alert goes off, no problem.
01:17:11.000And then you kind of have like this mental, it's going to be after a while, you know how long it's going to be.
01:17:58.000His brother Dale couldn't get all the trucks for the skateboard together.
01:18:01.000Well, my cousin Cliff is going to try to.
01:18:03.000I mean, to me, though, I'm like, yeah, I mean, I would probably give it a go if I could rationalize it and figure out a way to, like, if it would be at least...
01:19:35.000But the technological advances in those 20 years are insane.
01:19:38.000Like, it was literally before a fabric loop that went around your thumb and, like, a twin sheet that a guy sewed to his suit and was like...
01:21:51.000For me, when I'm standing on the edge of a cliff...
01:21:56.000It provides for me just a moment of clarity and being present in that moment.
01:22:03.000The closer you get, and again, I can only speak for myself, but the closer you get in the bass jumping world for me, when I'm getting ready to jump and I'm zipping up my sleeves and I'm doing my checks, I'm not thinking about my checking account balance anymore.
01:22:16.000I'm not worried about, fuck, I've got to transfer money over, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
01:22:20.000It just slowly starts kind of fading away, and then you step up to the edge.
01:22:25.000I've never seen color so clearly in my life.
01:22:30.000It's a laser-like focus on the next three seconds of my life.
01:22:36.000You're not worried about a minute down the road.
01:22:38.000You're not thinking about what you had for lunch.
01:22:40.000Because if you rock forward and step off, you better be ready for full speed life coming at you.
01:22:46.000You've got the rest of your life to figure out what the fuck's about to happen.
01:22:50.000And it's not that I like doing dangerous stuff.
01:22:53.000Don't get me wrong, I love the sensation of flying, and it's great to be able to fly next to a cliff or down through a set of trees.
01:22:58.000It's awesome, but that moment of clarity, the only time I've ever had that is on a helicopter at about the one minute out, where you lose all of the past, and all you're thinking about is the absolute present moment and the next thing that you have to do.
01:23:13.000But you're saying one minute out, meaning about to go into combat.
01:23:29.000Like you're reaching a very high level of concentration, almost akin to a deep, deep meditation.
01:23:35.000Yeah, I don't know shit about deep deep meditation, but yeah, it's definitely, it's as close to, you know, one of those states that I can imagine.
01:25:17.000The guys I know that have seen combat like you to that degree, that kind of a soldier that fight, are all like, they have to get worked up.
01:25:39.000I mean, like, there's some great attributes that come from operating in a high-risk, high-threat environment with high consequences, but it also changes you as a human being, too.
01:25:48.000Like, it grays you in areas that maybe—like, empathy, for me, is one I struggle with.
01:25:54.000Like, maybe what you were talking about before about Guantanamo Bay, about these radicals coming out, you gotta kill them.
01:26:00.000And I shit you not, it would be as easy for me as to say that as to pick up a gun and blow a dude's head off right there if he was one of them.
01:26:27.000It's like, I don't have a lot of tolerance or empathy for people who are in pain because the reality is it's just fucking get up and get on with what you got going on.
01:26:48.000It's like a hiccup that I recognize sometimes, and then most of the time I'm completely oblivious to it.
01:26:53.000So there's some great things that came from being in that environment.
01:26:56.000And then there's some just odd quirks that you've got to deal with, too.
01:26:58.000I mean, there's two sides to every coin.
01:27:01.000The empathy aspect of it completely makes sense because if you're used to operating in extreme tolerances, tolerating extreme weather conditions, danger, violence, loss of friends, injuries, all the above,
01:27:17.000and then you see someone just twist their ankle, they're crying like a bitch.
01:27:20.000Or you've seen your friend blow up and then somebody falls, like, yeah.
01:27:24.000But we all have seen, I mean, to a much, much lesser extent, people who train in jiu-jitsu or martial arts, they're used to getting banged up.
01:27:32.000You know, your injuries, you have a different perception of them.
01:27:35.000Like, I've talked to people, they go, well, how many surgeries have you had?
01:31:09.000Where you went into an altruistic idea of going, I want to help these guys in the Navy SEAL Foundation, and where that whole idea came from, and you're like, I want to still serve, and how can I serve?
01:31:19.000Because the reason you're not is you're medically discharged, right?
01:31:22.000And so then you're like, how do I keep being a soldier in this way?
01:31:57.000So I got medically retired, and this actually ties into the question that Tate asked me.
01:32:02.000I got medically retired, and when I first got out, I got out the last day of June 2013, and I remember driving off the base, and I was like, awesome.
01:32:10.000You know, all I ever wanted to do since I was a little kid is be a SEAL, since I was 11. Can't articulate why.
01:32:23.000I got to experience wartime, which a lot of guys hang their hat way too much on the combat stuff, you know, because it's really a matter of timing.
01:32:31.000The guys after Vietnam, before 9-11, got nothing.
01:32:33.000It doesn't mean they're not good SEALs or good soldiers.
01:32:37.000And I felt like we had accomplished a lot.
01:32:39.000Like I was saying, we had very black and white metrics for success.
01:32:51.000Didn't pay attention to a whole lot of stuff for like six months and then started watching the news after six months.
01:32:55.000And it's just, it's like every story that I hear about ISIS taking back Ramadi, you know, starts in northern Iraq and then they take back Ramadi.
01:33:07.000I equate it to watching the tide go out just a little bit at a time.
01:33:11.000But the problem for me is that that tide that's eroding is the literal blood, sweat, and tears of people that I was with and people that I still know that are overseas.
01:33:19.000And even though I'm out of the military now, I'm never going to lose that desire to fight.
01:33:26.000I want to go over there and kill those people.
01:34:10.000Like, every guy that I know, man, and I've had the pleasure to know a few guys that are in spec ops in that way, there's not anybody that hasn't seen shit that's so horrific and that is like, there's people that need to get erased.
01:34:57.000I've seen plenty of pacifists who fight for their life.
01:34:59.000There's a lot of hippies that talk all that peace shit until somebody scuffs their toes.
01:35:02.000Well, it's the idea, I think, what we're moving towards as a race.
01:35:06.000I think we're moving away from being cavemen to moving to some higher ideals, which, like we were talking about today, is the safest time pretty much ever in human history.
01:35:58.000Well, I saw a guy take a picture of Chuck, of Rashad Evans, rather.
01:36:02.000You know, Rashad, there's a famous photo of Rashad when he was knocked out by Leota Machida.
01:36:07.000Ooh, I'm not going to like this story.
01:36:08.000Handed him this photo with a big smile on his face and asked him to sign it.
01:36:12.000It's like one of the most painful moments of Rashad's career and You know this guy standing right in front of Rashad and Rashad grabbed the picture and crumpled it up Right in his face and like looking at him like dude.
01:37:16.000We will all three of us get an equal participation trophy.
01:37:18.000We're drinking one right now, motherfucker.
01:37:20.000Well, you and I have talked about this, Tate, that one of the things that we appreciate about guys who have trained and guys who have competed even more so is that there's outliers, there's douchebags, but for the most part, pretty respectful.
01:38:46.000I mean, I value jujitsu so much that I feel like if you're not carrying that well and representing that well, and you're a bully in the street, or you're this or you're that, like, you need to walk right, man.
01:39:05.000Like you're saying, the guy who wanted him to sign a photo at one of his worst moments, the guy asking him to sign that photo, had he taken the effort and the thought and put the work in and of himself to become one of the black belts that you're talking about, the less than 1%, he never would have asked him to do it.
01:39:20.000There's something in that exploration of who you are that brings something out.
01:39:24.000And I think it, I don't know, it drives me insane.
01:39:30.000Like, my sons will have visceral, physical experiences.
01:39:48.000Yeah, how about when you get out of school and you find out that participating doesn't matter in that way?
01:39:52.000And I think that's the difference, though, too, with being a, and to say it in a different way, a participant versus a spectator.
01:39:59.000Like, there's people that are about it and are about shining their life up into a whole different way, don't want to have a common experience and all that stuff, and then they're pushing themselves towards that end.
01:40:07.000And then there's people that are just spectators.
01:40:46.000There's guys that demanded stand-up fights because they're like, that's more exciting, so they weren't very good at striking.
01:40:51.000But when I was fighting at that time, that was a huge thing.
01:40:55.000When guys weren't very well-rounded, they were really great wrestlers, or great at this, they wanted to show off their striking skills, whether they were there or not, and they put themselves in bad predicaments.
01:41:03.000I have a friend who I love dearly, a great guy, who was talking about, he's a fighter, and he made some crazy post about, like, fuck technical striking.
01:41:48.000Two people have even hit him in his whole fucking career, you know?
01:41:51.000But this idea that you should do that and risk yourself and bang it out to be more exciting, you're only being exciting to fools who don't understand what it is.
01:42:01.000It's like saying, forget about all the build-up to...
01:42:06.000Figure out a song that has a build-up.
01:42:36.000It should be a calculated risk fueled by emotion.
01:42:40.000I mean, the best example of that that I remember seeing live is when we went, and it was the first time I saw Anderson fight live, and he fought Chris Lieben.
01:47:43.000I mean, you might be underwhelmed sometime, not a lot.
01:47:46.000But I think it's a different thing because the only opponent is your nerves and your mind and worried about the fear.
01:47:52.000I was wondering if it translated to other avenues of that kind of flow.
01:47:55.000Fighting, the technical aspects of fighting are so unique in that you have all these choices of how to engage, what to do, what you're confined.
01:48:03.000And then you've got to shuffle those based off of what you're seeing.
01:48:30.000I mean, that's one of the most difficult and dangerous things a human being can choose to do.
01:48:35.000And I get offended a little bit When you go, oh no, what you guys...
01:48:39.000It's like, I don't understand at all what you guys go through.
01:48:43.000And the positions that you've been in, the kind of consequences that are there, your brother's lives in your hands, and fucking God bless you, man.
01:48:51.000I think Andy might be a little humble.
01:50:31.000So, Kill Cliff, they're my sponsor for jumping, and they have a commitment to the Navy SEAL Foundation of $250,000 a year to try to give back to the guys.
01:50:41.000You know, and when Tate asked me, like, how did I come up with the idea of doing something to raise money, it all comes to the fact that, like, I can't get rid of, like I was telling you about, my desire to go fight and do and continue to stay involved, but I can't physically do it anymore.
01:50:57.000So the only thing I could think of to do was to do something to try to help the guys who are doing it.
01:51:02.000And this is what I'd normally do, so I just tried to tie the two together.
01:51:05.000What are the injuries that keep you from doing it?
01:51:22.000They don't know if it clipped the sciatic nerve or, you know, have you ever seen the gelatin that gets shot by a bullet and has the shock waves?
01:51:27.000Either way, it short-circuited the electrical circuitry down my leg.
01:51:31.000So from the point of impact all the way down to my foot, it was just completely fried.
01:52:32.000That's actually how I found CrossFit, was rehabbing from the injury, because the Navy's was like Percocet, Vicodin, Ambien, something else that was blue, and I'm just like...
01:53:49.000Because the medicine had a secondary effect of neuropathic pain control.
01:53:54.000So they were trying to control the burning in my leg, but there was nothing that could really target it directly.
01:53:58.000So it was for kids, but if I had just stopped cold turkey, it would have drastically increased my likelihood of just having a seizure, even though I'm not susceptible to do it.
01:55:29.000Yeah, I'm like, can you please describe to me the possible consequences of leaving in?
01:55:33.000He's like, oh yeah, well the body will encapsulate it in calcium and as long as you don't have bone contact with the metal, you should be fine.
01:55:39.000I'm like, well fuck man, why didn't you leave with that?
01:55:56.000I left it, flew to Germany, stayed in the hospital in Germany for two days, checked myself out of the hospital, took a taxi to the airport, flew home, and was home like 48 hours after it happened.
01:56:28.000You know, I think now they probably have a protocol, maybe specifically for neuropathic pain control, that they've learned over, you know...
01:56:35.000Over the decade that we've been fighting.
01:56:38.000You never used to survive a single, let alone a double amputation, but now medical advances are so far down the road that triple and quad amputees are actually surviving, which would never make it off the battlefield.
01:56:52.000So I basically started working out and would exhaust myself, and that's how I would sleep, and that's how I found CrossFit and got introduced to the founder, because they were founded in my hometown.
01:57:02.000So with nerve damage, there's a tiny amount of improvement that you get every year.
01:57:34.000If I wear more like a dressy shoe, you can hear my left foot hitting a little bit more.
01:57:37.000But what really gets me, and what was one of the biggest things for my military retirement, is that I have a really hard time controlling a roll of the ankle to the outside.
01:57:45.000And the majority of the time when we're overseas, I'm heavy.
01:59:53.000There's these assholes that have come and attacked the base, and then they go out just far enough where they know a rifle round won't get to them.
02:00:35.000Took it back to the base, and then hooked the thing up, test-fired one to make sure it was all still good to go, and then just started carrying them in the field with me.
02:00:42.000But I had to make a backpack that would carry them, because I would carry two of the Javelins, and then I'd have my.300 Win Mag on top of that, too.
02:00:48.000So that was my special things that I took with me.
02:04:43.000And I think that what's awesome is that you had the autonomy to be able to do that, whereas if you're a regular soldier, you probably don't get choices like that.
02:04:52.000You'd be running that up the chain of command, for sure.
02:04:55.000I think what's interesting, too, is what you told me that one day at the gym.
02:04:59.000When I asked you about PTSD and things like that, and that's fascinating to me.
02:05:04.000And I'd heard, I don't know who it was speaking about it, but they said that PTSD wasn't really, they don't like it being called PTSD because it's not.
02:05:13.000I don't like the D on the end because it's not a disorder.
02:05:15.000Right, that's what this guy was saying, that it's not a disorder, that it's a thing that is going to pass by and that you can get through and that's not...
02:05:45.000I think it should be expected a time for you to adapt and be able to heal from some of this stuff.
02:05:51.000But as soon as you label it disorder, people shut down.
02:05:54.000So you think by defining it in that way that it limits how people recover from it?
02:05:58.000Well, I think by defining it as disorder, you're completely mischaracterizing it because it's not.
02:06:03.000I think it's a natural reaction of the human body to being in some of those environments.
02:06:06.000So, do you think that, like, the way they used to describe it, like, shell-shocked, that's probably, like, better?
02:06:11.000I don't know if it's necessarily better.
02:06:13.000You know, maybe don't put a precise definition on it.
02:06:17.000Maybe just work on having a better understanding that maybe guys are going to need some time, and some more so than others because, and I think this was Tate was getting at, in the special ops community, I think the instance of post-traumatic stress is much lower because we are in control of what we do.
02:07:16.000The geometry going on in the brain of trying to just rectify that and just dealing with, they're basically waiting to be victimized.
02:07:22.000I don't like to describe it like that because I don't think that's the right term, but maybe my vocabulary is not deep enough to describe it better.
02:07:29.000But they're sitting there waiting for an event to occur to them.
02:08:22.000And again, this is just me talking about it.
02:08:25.000I think that's why there's such a huge, or not a huge, but a greater instance of post-traumatic stress in those units that had little to no control over what was going on.
02:09:10.000So Afghanistan in 2003, we rode around in Hilux trucks with no armor whatsoever because there was no threat of an IED on the ground.
02:09:18.000And then we started doing armored Humvees, but the overmatch or the size of the charge that will destroy a Humvee is like four pounds because it's flat.
02:09:37.000And it flips them hundreds of feet into the air.
02:09:40.000And there's people inside of those things.
02:09:41.000I've seen it where they inverted the V. The V on the bottom ended up touching the top of the fucking tube compartment in the back.
02:09:48.000And that's what those guys are riding around in, not knowing if, like, I can't express enough the respect I have for the guys who did that because I couldn't do it.
02:10:12.000Everybody's got a cup that's going to overflow at some point, and everybody's cup is a little bit different.
02:10:16.000And some people develop mechanisms that help them lower down the amount in that cup, and others don't.
02:10:21.000Is there any help for them while they're there?
02:10:24.000Is there any counseling or any psychological training or preparation training?
02:10:29.000I can't speak to the conventionals, but I can say it was there and available for us, so I can only hope that it was there and available for them, but...
02:10:36.000Do you want to admit that in front of your peers?
02:10:41.000I'd heard that, too, is that, like, if I go to say, hey, man, I'm having some psychological stuff from here, then you're unfit to lead anymore if you're in a command position because they can't put you back in because if something happens, then somebody can come back and say, he came and said that he wasn't...
02:10:57.000So it's like you kind of take yourself out of a job if you admit that.
02:11:01.000You can, depending on how far down the road it goes, because obviously if you're trying to receive help for a certain level of...
02:11:12.000Again, I don't want to say a problem, a certain level of issues that you're trying to deal with at some point that impedes your judgment, and they have to make the right call.
02:11:27.000Like I said, to this day, Joe, if I could go get on an airplane and go overseas and affect some difference by getting back on target, I would do it.
02:11:36.000Almost everyone who does what you do says that.
02:12:07.000For me, I mean, to be honest with you, I don't enjoy operating and living in environments where you're constantly at risk of losing your life, which is why I enjoyed being in control, right?
02:12:16.000Like, knew where we were going, good intelligence, was able to make a plan.
02:12:20.000We were going to execute our plan on somebody who didn't know we were coming, right?
02:12:26.000I mean, dude, firefights can be scary.
02:12:37.000Like, you'll have an absolutely terrifying moment, and then the funniest thing you've ever seen in your goddamn life happens all in the span of 60 seconds.
02:14:12.000When you express frustration at looking at what's happening right now, places that the military had taken and controlled and now has lost control of, now that we've pulled out of Iraq and that we're pulling out of Afghanistan, what do you think should have been done differently?
02:14:31.000Again, hindsight being 2020, I think occupation was a bad idea.
02:15:12.000Some of the most beautiful country I've ever seen in my life.
02:15:16.000It just seems like an insane place to try to occupy given the fact that we know what happened with the Russians.
02:15:24.000Yeah, well, again, I told you what I would do if I was king for a day.
02:15:28.000That decision was so far above my pay grade.
02:15:31.000But again, we also have hindsight being 20-20.
02:15:34.000I don't think that when they plan to go in there after 9-11, if you would have asked anybody involved in the planning process if we'd still be there in 2015 going into 2016, I don't think a single one would have been like, yeah, we're still going to be there.
02:15:46.000Not just that, but it seems like we're involved in an endless quagmire.
02:15:51.000It doesn't seem like we're ever getting out of this because we've created so many enemies.
02:15:55.000And that's why I would stop and pull every single person out of there.
02:16:32.000And, you know, in Kabul, maybe it's largely successful because that's where a lot of the population is.
02:16:37.000But as soon as you start splintering out to the areas that have no connection with Kabul, like, you know, there's no way that it's sustainable.
02:16:44.000I think it's going to go back to being super tribal.
02:16:48.000I think it's so strange, too, that we go on with all these different ideas of what it is that our objectives are, and then those objectives get muddied or changed throughout time.
02:16:56.000And so it's kind of like, I mean, just oversimplify it.
02:17:00.000It's like coming into a gym and going, well, what are your goals here?
02:18:19.000I mean, that's why I did it because I can't get rid of that mechanism of like, you know what I mean?
02:18:25.000For me, it felt like when I did that and started going down this road of trying to give back to the community, I started feeling better again about my station and where I fit in the bigger thing because although it's not direct, it's indirect and those people that I'm trying to support are directly supporting them.
02:18:45.000It's like when you say don't overthink, and it's like I really don't.
02:18:48.000All this stuff that is all amidst us, I can exact change in the community and where I am and the people that I love.
02:18:56.000When I met you, man, it was just so inspiring.
02:19:00.000Like the change that you can exact with what you're doing and with where it goes because you know like the help that's out there and that's not out there and what the Navy SEAL Foundation does for guys is invaluable because our government fails them all the way.
02:19:12.000They want everybody to rah-rah the soldiers until the soldiers come home, man.
02:19:14.000And the fight that you're in is vastly more important than you being on the ground somewhere, I think.
02:19:19.000Well, it was one of the most disturbing things about doing these UFC fight for the troops is that we were raising money for the Intrepid Center for Excellence.
02:19:46.000So it's Walter Reed directly across the street is Nyko.
02:19:51.000So if you're going to go over there, you need to strap in for what you're going to see because that is the landing point for people who come home fucked up.
02:20:59.000And then I can only imagine what that would be based off how much I love my son's That gut-wrenching moment when you get the call, hey, your son's okay, but...
02:21:36.000Zero percent of the vehicles there use that type of fuel and they can't find the funding anyway, like...
02:21:41.000I mean, I remember when I was a kid, and it's like, you'd hear it all the time, that a hammer costs $600 if you were buying, and stuff like that.
02:21:50.000And it's like, man, with that kind of graft and nepotism and bullshit that goes on, and then these guys are dying.
02:22:23.000So, you know, when you think $43 million worth of theft, okay, if you work for Costco and $43 million is missing, Andy, get into the fucking office, please.
02:24:34.000Because, you know, if you get choked, if someone has you in a rear naked, it's only like a second or two you have to tap before you're going out.
02:24:40.000But this is like three or four seconds.
02:27:38.000Well, I remember, I mean, there's been many, many times where, especially like in other countries, they've done those air shows and collided with each other.
02:27:45.000And then they go into the crowd in these fireballs.
02:27:47.000Did you see the guys with the jet suits or the jet packs?
02:32:55.000Yeah, but I think the amount of money that these guys have over Floyd Mayweather, it's like Floyd Mayweather over the dude who works at Starbucks.
02:33:41.000Okay, it's a screen, which will show the ground.
02:33:44.000Well, you know that they're going to do that now with planes?
02:33:46.000They're going to make the entire roof of the plane an LED screen or an LCD screen, where you're going to be able to see the actual outside of the plane, like the clouds and all the terrain.
02:36:32.000I mean, seriously, like, if it's not a financial barrier to you, I mean, the only negative side effect of that stuff is you immediately stop aging.
02:36:40.000You could instantly say that it's even a cost-benefit because of all the stuff that you move aside that you're going to have health risks at anyway, that you take away by being in better condition.
02:36:52.000Also, you have more energy to do things and enjoy things.
02:36:54.000Like, the idea that, like, it's a manly thing.
02:36:56.000Like, people are like, where do you get your testosterone from, bro?
02:38:07.000I believe that if more MMA guys got into it, they would turn in touching boxing into fucking knockout strikes.
02:38:15.000Well, Matt Brown has done a lot of work with him.
02:38:17.000Yeah, that's who works with him all the time.
02:38:18.000Him and Shane are really good friends, and he and Louie, and then, yeah, it's an interesting thing, man.
02:38:24.000That would happen because they'd have more power behind the strike itself?
02:38:27.000Yeah, they're learning how to turn into it more, and they're learning how to accentuate their top-end power so that they can actually turn that over, as opposed to moving slowly through movements and teaching explosivity.
02:39:26.000I mean, when you started talking and you had that Nowitzki dude on here or whatever, and talking about genetically changing things and the myostatin inhibitors and all that kind of stuff, it just seems like, at a certain point, if you want to have natural athletes, like, say, in the UFC... In 15 years,
02:39:43.000everybody in the stands is going to be in better shape and better condition than the actual athletes.
02:39:47.000Well, you know what it's going to be like?
02:39:48.000It's going to be like churning your own butter and riding a horse to work.
02:39:59.000I get it because like what you get out of competition, if you see a guy who's gone through an eight-week training camp, he's fighting, you know, Chris Weidman versus Luke Rockhold, both guys, we would assume clean, you know, training their entire life, getting ready for this moment, the amount of discipline and focus that's required to get through that fucking camp is goddamn brutal.
02:40:21.000You know, these guys are getting up every morning with exhausted bodies, and they're doing their strength and conditioning, they're doing their sparring, they're doing all their technical training, and they're fucking tired all the time, man.
02:40:30.000They get through it, and that's one of the things that Vitor and Weidman had added at the weigh-ins, where Weidman pointed his finger at him, and he goes, you were fucking using during camp, because they did their blood screens, and Weidman's...
02:40:42.000Vitor had a testosterone use exemption for the longest time, and his testosterone, when he was on, was off the charts.
02:41:24.000Explanation for that for against it was when I listened around to talk about it and She goes they know when they're off it that they can't be like yeah She knows she's done.
02:41:36.000Sorry bitch if you come in like that, right?
02:41:38.000You know, you've already lost She's like about and I was like that is huge because the psychological effect we saw it when guys came from pride and they came over They would break and you're seeing guys that are top-level savages break and then you're like that is a different athlete Well, it's a different human being because you're not enhanced anymore.
02:42:43.000I mean, that was the heaviest Vandele had ever been.
02:42:45.000He was like 218. Krokop was only 214. Krokop was actually lighter than Vandele, even though Krokop had fought heavyweight his entire career, and Vandele, really, his optimal weight was 185. And he was fighting as a heavyweight.
02:43:02.000And, you know, gets to the UFC, drops down to 185 because he's not on the shit anymore.
02:43:07.000But when he's fighting, or allegedly, but when he's fighting Krokop, even after all that, but we don't even know what the fuck Krokop was doing.
02:43:40.000In the contract, he said, we will not test for steroids.
02:43:42.000But our buddy went over there, and he was a natural 170-pounder, and they wanted him to fight at 185. He's like, I don't even weigh 185 pounds.
02:45:10.000But then the guys, you know, they don't have the education or they don't take the time to figure out the post-cycle therapy stuff and they just go, especially the dudes who are just juicing right before deployment and then go go turkey right when they get on it.
02:46:04.000I think it's such a psychological damaging thing that BUDS is, from what it sounds like, that I don't think that that stuff would help you.
02:47:18.000Because then it's like, dude's like, foot on top ahead, and that's actually the evolution that the guy aspirated in, which is why they increased the instructor ratio.
02:47:28.000But that's one of the highest attrition evolutions at Bud's, is that one right there, where they push everybody together, and then once they get them together, it's like, okay, take off your right boot.
02:47:36.000So then everybody's got to undo their boot and throw it out of the pool.
02:48:38.000Allow me to tell you what happened to this particular student.
02:48:40.000So one of the tests we do, you have twin 80s scuba tanks, and you have to tread water with at least your wrist above the water for five minutes.
02:48:48.000And it's really not that hard if you can just relax and just take a deep breath and put your head down.
02:48:52.000There's a lot of buoyancy that you can work with.
02:48:54.000So you tread water, but your hands have to stay above water?
02:48:56.000Your hands have to stay, so you're just using your legs, and you have a full scuba tank system on your back, which, if you don't rig it properly, it'll pull you back a little bit.
02:49:02.000A lot of it is just kind of getting your lungs over your center of gravity.
02:49:05.000Treading waters without your hands is fucking hard.
02:49:24.000They'll take a breath, and then they're keeping their hands above water, and their head just keeps getting farther and farther and farther, and they have to just kick, kick, kick, kick, kick.
02:49:32.000And then you know it's about to get really bad when they do the monkey paw.
02:49:35.000When their hands start doing this number, they start like, that's when the guy's about to either quit or go under.
02:51:47.000But there's no evolution in SEAL training that requires you to black out.
02:51:51.000Like, one of the tests is a 50-meter underwater swim where you jump in, you have to do a front somersault, swim to the other side of the pool, touch it, front somersault, and swim back.
02:51:59.000That's another one that gets a lot of guys on...
02:52:02.000They'll pass out because they just don't want to give up.
02:52:04.000And again, all of this stuff is about teaching you where the boundaries, where you think they are, and what other people tell you you can do, and when you alarm systems in your body.
02:52:12.000It's a choice to listen to those things a lot of the times.
02:52:15.000A lot of Navy SEALs or various spec ops guys go into, like, ultra-marathons and shit afterwards just to try to push themselves to the...
02:52:51.000It's like, you get mastery over this thing, and then what happens with people that are uncommon and interesting, they go on to the next thing, because they want mastery over this thing, and then they want mastery over that thing.
02:53:01.000Because it irritates them that they don't master.
02:53:07.000And that's the one thing that's been the prime difference in my life is like going to something and do something that kind of makes you nervous every day.
02:53:13.000Go into fear-based shit and then live there and figure that out.
02:56:02.000The Air Force Academy, for the first time a few years ago, graduated more non-manned aircraft pilots than manned aircraft pilots in their history.
02:56:09.000And did they graduate them through Xbox Live?