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00:00:22.000I heard a lot of people were saying that they heard it was crap and that it wasn't good, but everybody I know that saw it said it was awesome.
00:02:16.000And so he would go up when they were working on the original Star Wars and give a lecture to the crew, everybody, about mythology every year.
00:02:24.000And then when Campbell died, your friend and mine, Stanley Krippner, filled in for him.
00:03:44.000Quite often that's how I can tell if somebody's got a real practice is they're usually impossible to offend.
00:03:51.000Like there isn't anything that you can say that's gonna make them upset.
00:03:55.000But you know, the alarm bells start going off in my mind when you get around people Who you say something and you see, oh shit, I triggered the alarm system.
00:04:04.000I have offended this person, which is really curious to me.
00:04:07.000How are you in tune with the universe and yet still something that a monkey descendant says out of the end of his feeding tube causes you to feel revolted?
00:04:33.000The way they've described it, or I've heard it described, which is super cool, whenever Ram Dass talks about his guru, Neem Karoli Baba, Is that there was nothing there.
00:06:19.000This guy's in a car, you know, 100 feet from me and I'm openly mocking him out loud.
00:06:25.000Yeah, and corroding your insides as you do it.
00:06:28.000I heard Wim Hof talking about this, and maybe it was on your podcast.
00:06:33.000He was talking about being under the ice and his retinas froze, and he couldn't find the hole to get out.
00:06:38.000And whoever he was talking with asked him, like, so, you know, what was the panic like?
00:06:44.000And he said, well, you know, when I'm in those situations, or like when I got lost in a whiteout on Mount Everest in my shorts, there's no stress.
00:06:54.000Because then it's all just like it takes you back to yourself, to who you really are.
00:06:59.000And I know in my core I am like, you know, competent and, you know, confident.
00:07:07.000And so he was saying like it's been demonstrated that you can generate more stress hormones lying in your bed and just thinking about something stressful.
00:07:50.000And if something happens, when the guy rear-ended me, the lane was closed for some reason, like construction, so everybody had gotten to that on-ramp on Hollywood or the 101 in Highland.
00:09:11.000Remember Bill Burr telling us what it, he was, I guess at the Ice House, he's like, riding a motorcycle is like, imagine sitting on the hood of your car, driving that way.
00:09:23.000It's like, you look down at the road buzzing by you at 70 miles an hour, and it's like, I could reach out my toe and just grind it off, you know?
00:09:30.000Yeah, but it's like a metaphor for so many other things in life, right?
00:09:35.000Do you really want to have the illusion of separation?
00:09:41.000Or are you actually safer being intimate with the danger of what's going on, so you're hypervigilant?
00:09:49.000Because in a car, you're looking at your phone, you're fucking with the radio, because you've got this sense that I'm in a room and everything's cool until you hit the tree, you know?
00:10:50.000So, like, then it's going to get real weird when we switch back and forth between that and then actual driving.
00:10:56.000Like, the space out factor of people, like, when they have to drive again, they might not be used to it.
00:11:02.000Yeah, it's the space between automation and like semi-automation and full automation that is going to be really dangerous.
00:11:09.000But man, the dream is you leave your house, your car looks like a little living room, a little pod with a couch in it, coffee maker, a TV, and you just sit on the couch.
00:12:07.000I'm sure there's a nostalgia attached to antiquated technologies, but it's like, sure, great, but I'm going to be sitting in my pleasure pod with VR goggles on as I get taken to Florida.
00:12:31.000The box and A non-aerodynamic box being dragged by horses starts to go sideways near the edge of the cliff, and you're like, what an adventure!
00:13:40.000I like to think about that stuff, man.
00:13:43.000Someone had to be the first person to be like, you know what, let's put a big sheet over you and cut a hole right over your pussy so I don't see you anymore.
00:15:36.000It says that, that they're not responsible for any accidents, so you should always, you know, watch the road and be prepared to step in if something goes wrong.
00:15:46.000Back in my computer-making days, I used to have friends that would get the latest builds of software, of operating systems, rather, and so they would run, like, beta versions of, like, new Windows operating systems, and the shit was always crashing.
00:16:02.000Half of the fun for those guys was like saying, hey man, I'm using Windows NT, you know, blah, blah, blah, and this is the new shit, and it's really only for servers, so I have to have a workaround with certain drivers for video cards.
00:17:28.000Like if you'd notice like on the new iPhone software, it doesn't download all your songs.
00:17:35.000It shows you all your songs, but when you go to play them, it streams them.
00:17:39.000Yeah, I don't get that because I want the shit on my phone so if I'm not connected or I don't have to pay for the data, it's my fucking stuff.
00:17:47.000I got, you know, 128 gigs on my phone.
00:18:05.000But, you know, when you're in a place that doesn't have cell phone service and you go to your music list, I was trying to use it in the gym.
00:18:21.000Don't catch the cholera as they're on your fucking slippery ride over the top of the mountain where you might wind up eating all your friends because you get stuck up there.
00:18:29.000That's crazy, man, that we are constantly surrounded by some cloud of invisible data that consists of all information that has ever been recorded.
00:18:41.000Did you hear about that guy that was, oh, he went to sea, he got shipwrecked at sea for like over a year with another guy, and he made it by like drinking rainwater and eating turtles and all kinds of crazy shit, but it's the nuttiest story.
00:18:56.000He's like on a raft for a fucking year.
00:18:58.000But his companion's family is now suing him because they say that he ate them.
00:21:16.000So then I read this guy, Marvin Harris, this anthropologist who wrote a book called Cannibals and Kings.
00:21:22.000He went back and looked at societies that were cannibalistic and those that weren't, especially in the South Pacific, because some islands were, some islands weren't, whatever.
00:22:17.000It's also important to note that one of the key tenets of Catholicism involves a kind of metaphysical cannibalism, which is, you know, the communion.
00:23:36.000But then we tried psilocybin mushrooms with it, and we had a fucking insane journey.
00:23:41.000So they might have worked together in a sort of synergistic way, but apparently by itself it's really hard, and they think that it might be a geographical variant, and then also seasonally, and then genetically.
00:23:56.000You have to get the right stuff, and the right stuff might not even exist in most places anymore.
00:24:42.000And all you have to just consider, I mean, this is the most rational way to look at it.
00:24:46.000If you lived at that time, and you had no science, you had some myths and fables, and you had some rules to live by, and you found those things, you would think that you had found God.
00:25:00.000If you just ate, you don't have a scale, you're just eating these mushrooms that you find, and you eat 10 grams of them, good lord, you're gonna meet God.
00:25:09.000You, like, literally will be transported to God.
00:25:11.000And everybody, you know, people will listen to this kind of shit, and they'll go, oh man, that's so stupid, you know, you're just tripping, you're just hallucinating.
00:25:18.000You gotta take this into consideration, I know I've said it before, but it is important to repeat.
00:25:23.000When you have an experience, it doesn't matter if that experience is like you could put it on a scale or hit it with a stick.
00:26:46.000I mean, I trash religion as much as the next guy, but I'm sympathetic for the experience of someone who says, look, I go there, I have these rituals, I smell that stuff, I was raised in this tradition, and I am transported to another world that makes my life better.
00:27:25.000The words that you're using, whether you're using the word prayer or scripture or whatever the name you have for your deity, those are just noises you're making and they correspond to whatever the cultural context is of the Hindu god or the Christian god.
00:27:45.000But if you just think of the feeling, The feeling of wanting to be a good Christian, right?
00:27:52.000The feeling of wanting to please God, not by blowing up abortion clinics or any of those, none of the wacky aspects of it that we sort of connect to it when we think about like radical, fundamental religion on any side of the fence,
00:28:08.000But the feeling that you're getting, like you're feeling, if you're all together in church and you really are praising his name, You really are praising the idea of this loving God that wants fellowship and wants camaraderie and brotherhood.
00:28:22.000Whatever that feeling is and whatever that thought is, take out all the words, Jesus Christ and praise Jesus and Buddha and Muhammad and Allah.
00:28:33.000Take out all those words and what is the feeling?
00:28:36.000That feeling is the search for this positive feeling.
00:28:40.000This positive source, like this thing that ultimately we can all eventually reach if we put aside all of our ridiculous monkey behavior and greed and jealousy and anger and lust and just get to us at our very best.
00:28:56.000You know, and it's almost like it's like a guide to get you there.
00:28:59.000But we get tripped up on the words that are attached to the guide, like the word God or the word Muhammad or the word Allah or, you know, Krishna.
00:29:21.000Duncan started off talking about how you can recognize someone, not just as a spiritually enlightened person, but as just a person you want to hang out with, if they are really hard to offend, if they have a good sense of humor.
00:29:33.000If they don't have a sense of humor, there's something wrong.
00:29:38.000But you think about the Old Testament God.
00:29:40.000He's the most easily offended motherfucker imaginable.
00:29:48.000Like, Job is this, you know, great guy, does everything he's supposed to do, everything's cool, and the devil and God are hanging out one day, and the devil's like, The devil says, like, people don't really like you so much, man.
00:30:02.000You know, you think everybody loves you.
00:30:03.000And God's like, of course people love me.
00:30:53.000But no, I think that you run into trouble if you start looking at mythology as though that's really what it means.
00:31:01.000But look at the God that's being depicted there.
00:31:06.000Whatever the story is, he's jealous, he's capricious, he's cruel, he's a fucking alcoholic father.
00:31:14.000So if you look at the universe, like right now, at this moment, mothers are dying of cancer, kids are getting exploded by bombs, dogs are attacking fucking old people in the park.
00:31:29.000The story of Job has always struck me more as a kind of like...
00:31:34.000The story of how, look, man, you can't understand the infinite.
00:31:38.000Like, when I step on an ant, you know what I mean?
00:31:41.000To me, it's like, well, I stepped on an ant today, but for whatever that ant's tiny little subjective universe happens to be, I've completely obliterated it.
00:31:51.000That ant could never possibly understand the interaction that just happened there, but it was a real interaction.
00:31:57.000So it seems like the story of Job is more like, What the fuck are you, universe?
00:32:01.000This incredible thing that I'm surrounded by that seems to, very capriciously, at random times, just destroy people and lives.
00:32:11.000And like, shit man, I just heard about this family driving under an underpass, and like a concrete block fell out of a truck, landed on the goddamn Range Rover, Bam!
00:32:21.000Entire family zapped out of this universe.
00:32:26.000That's what the story is, is like, how can someone be a servant of love, like what you were talking about?
00:32:32.000How can someone connect to this desire to, like...
00:32:36.000Give love and happiness and joy into the universe when at any second guaranteed for any human being there could be and there will be a tragedy more devastating than anything you could ever imagine because that's just the way the world works.
00:32:51.000You're gonna die, your wife, Your family, your friends, this is the reality we're in, and how in that kind of swirling vortex of chaos and violence do you find a place where regardless of all of that,
00:33:06.000you will still be committed as much as you can to do that thing you did on the road when the fucking car hit you.
00:33:13.000Instead of getting out and fucking pummeling the guy because your adrenaline's flowing, you ask, hey, are you alright?
00:33:20.000I mean, to you it might seem like not that big a deal, but if everyone on planet Earth started doing that, whoa, holy shit, it'd be a whole new...
00:33:28.000I think, I mean, I agree with what you're saying, but I think there's an underlying assertion of the cruelty of the universe that I think is distorted.
00:33:41.000I think that, you know, I was watching this nature program a couple weeks ago, and there was a seal.
00:33:46.000I may have even talked with you about this last time I was on.
00:33:49.000But there was, like, a seal playing in the waves, and then you hear the, like, doo-doo [...]-doo, and you see the shadow coming up, and it's a great white, and it hits the seal.
00:33:58.000And then the guy, the narrator, actually says, we slowed this down to 140th of normal speed, right?
00:34:05.000And you see the teeth of it, and the, ah!
00:34:08.000And the seal's flopping around, and there's blood everywhere.
00:34:11.000And meanwhile, the narrator's saying, the struggle for survival is never over.
00:34:17.000And so I'm watching that, and I'm thinking, well, but seals seem kind of happy to me, right?
00:34:23.000How come they're not more stressed out?
00:34:25.000Because all the seals I've seen were lying on rocks and chilling and barking and having fun.
00:35:22.000He was completely detached, completely relaxed, watching this lion tossing him around.
00:35:28.000Well, they think there's an evolutionary advantage to both species, both the predator and the prey, in them having this endorphin release when they get got.
00:35:36.000Because when lions attack antelopes or when big cats catch deer, the deer kind of give in, man.
00:35:44.000They get jacked, but they kind of fight a little and then they kind of give in.
00:35:50.000But bears, those kind of animals, they don't really give in like that.
00:35:56.000So if a cat and a mountain lion or a mountain lion rather than a bear go at it, the bear isn't just going to give in to the mountain lion.
00:36:04.000If the mountain lion bites the bear in its neck, the bear is going to try to turn and bite him back and they're going to tooth and claw it out.
00:37:07.000You see this incredible matrix of consciousness.
00:37:11.000Theoretically on ayahuasca, I haven't done it on mushrooms.
00:37:16.000But the funny thing about it is, right now, minus the psychedelic, you are surrounded by an entire universe of which pieces of the universe are alive and aware of you and are talking to you.
00:37:27.000The psychedelic sort of just force-feeds you that reality.
00:37:37.000It's novel again, but it's just another level of the same experience that's happening, Partially living universe that has a tendency from time to time to produce life.
00:37:53.000This universe that we're in produces life, and you're part of it, and you're surrounded by an infinite ocean of that tendency.
00:38:01.000So that's very overwhelming, I think, for people, which is why they begin to accept, oh, this is just completely normal, this thing.
00:38:09.000And then that's when you take the psychedelic and you're like, holy shit!
00:38:32.000Well, see, when Joe was talking earlier about foragers finding these substances, I was thinking exactly what you're talking about because we take those substances and it's like a revelation, right?
00:39:25.000So I wonder what their experience with psychedelics is like, because I don't think it has...
00:39:31.000I mean, I'm sure it heightens everything and is amazing and obviously has sacred value.
00:39:37.000But I don't think it has that same revelatory aspect that it does for us.
00:39:43.000It might be a different, even deeper revelatory thing because they're not confined to the bullshit of buildings and streets and traffic lights and taxes and all these things that we hold in the forefront of our mind.
00:39:55.000Our consciousness that are really just retarded.
00:39:58.000Most of the things that people come up with to occupy their mind during the day are things that we've come up with that we've discovered or created and decided that they're significant.
00:40:11.000Like taxes or jobs or social status for breeding.
00:40:16.000I think it gets back to Duncan's point.
00:40:18.000I think the whole thing is an edifice built to distract ourselves from our mortality.
00:40:25.000It certainly could be or it could be a mechanism for us to continue to create technology and innovate.
00:40:32.000Because the best way to do that is to not have a good perspective, not realize that if our perspective is really good and we realize that we're these temporary beings who just love each other and spend as much time together in camaraderie and in friendship as possible, we're not going to get shit done.
00:42:40.000Anyway, so she made this dinner for me one night, and I went to her place, and everything was beautiful, and it was all set up with candles and nice silver.
00:46:13.000We were talking before the podcast started about the social justice warrior placemats that Harvard had given to children to take home with them.
00:46:22.000And I say children because if your parents are paying for your education, you're a fucking child.
00:46:31.000They sent these placemats home with these kids explaining how to talk to your parents if controversial issues come up, like if your parents exhibit xenophobia or sexism or transphobia.
00:49:57.000Do you think the response would be the same if there was a white person being pulled over?
00:50:01.000In many incidents that result in the death of a black body in the street, these victims are not breaking the law and are unarmed with Tamir.
00:50:37.000Not only that, you're dealing with someone who is encountering bad people all day.
00:50:42.000Most of the people that cops encounter all day are breaking the law.
00:50:45.000Most of the people, they're either pulling them over or going too fast, or they're doing something stupid, or they're trying to steal something, or they're trying to rob somebody, or they're showing up at a scene after someone's done something fucked up.
00:50:56.000So just think about the stress that a normal person's under, and multiply that times a hundred.
00:51:04.000You're wearing a goddamn bulletproof vest, and you're going to someone And let's not forget that a lot of these dudes are coming back from wars.
00:51:21.000A lot of them have PTSD and they were trained where they were an occupying force.
00:51:26.000So they take that training and they apply it to joining the police force, and the population is the enemy.
00:52:00.000To live in that kind of world where you realize that you just have to accept getting pulled over and you have to accept the fact that there's some chance if you make the wrong move or if the cop snaps for whatever reason,
00:52:18.000There was that one where the cops pulled that guy over, and there's a video of him, the completely different interaction the cop described.
00:52:25.000The guy pulls his gun out, and he just shoots the guy in his fucking car.
00:52:28.000No one's in trouble, no one's scared, no one's in danger.
00:52:39.000And what about these cases where they, like, swat right into someone's house in the middle of the night and shoot them in bed, and then it's like, oh, wrong house.
00:54:01.000Where, like, it's like, I don't know, it shows, it's a show where after someone gets pulled over for a DUI, they get thrown in the drunk tank.
00:54:09.000Man, there is to me nothing more vile than seeing a cop smugly like searching a person and pulling marijuana out of his pocket and being like, well, well, well, what do we have here?
00:54:25.000That's going to be something that history is going to judge in the most intense way.
00:54:31.000Every single cop that's been on a reality show smugly Taking someone's weed for them, putting handcuffs on them because they had weed for eternity.
00:54:41.000They're going to be looked back on in a really fucking awful way.
00:54:45.000They're going to want to scrub the internet of that footage because they're enforcing a law that, I mean, we all know, I'm going to preach in the fucking choir here, but there's something so foul about it, that smugness, you know?
00:55:59.000I don't know if the culture sets out to deny it or if all these things are kind of in place and they all benefit each other and the overall result is that the culture denies its reality.
00:56:10.000I don't necessarily think there's any design involved.
00:56:51.000The guy who founded advertising, essentially, and also worked for the CIA. Also came up with the, we're defending freedom abroad justification for American military adventures.
00:57:01.000I mean, he was central, and he very clearly said, like, we need to create reality for people.
00:57:32.000You would have certain rules that they had to abide by.
00:57:35.000And the first rule would be, don't let them take psychedelics, man.
00:57:39.000Because if they start fucking tripping, they're going to realize we're just three dudes.
00:57:43.000Just like them, and they're not going to listen to us anymore, which is why I think there is a five-year mandatory minimum when it comes to LSD, because when you take LSD, the entire thing seems absolutely absurd, from money to the government to jobs.
00:58:00.000It all seems like a ridiculous thing that everyone else seems to have accepted as like, yeah, this is just how you do shit.
00:58:06.000The people that are enforcing the laws are not the people that created those laws, and the people that are enforcing the laws most Certainly have not experienced these things.
00:58:16.000That's why we need to get cops tripping.
00:58:21.000I think that there's a certain momentum that these laws and that this propaganda has sort of set in motion that's going to be really hard to slow down and stop, and we're starting to do that with pot.
00:58:33.000The availability and the relaxation of the way people view pot in 2015 is way different than We're doing it with hallucinogens, too.
00:58:44.000I mean, there's approved research going on.
00:58:55.000The people that started those laws, the fucking Joe Fridays, the Dragnet guys, those guys are dead.
00:59:02.000So, like, the people that, like, started this whole, the sweeping Psychedelic Legislation Act of 1970, I believe it was, when they made everything Schedule I. Nixon.
00:59:11.000Yeah, they were just trying to batten down the hatches.
00:59:25.000They were trying to figure out how to do it.
00:59:27.000Those people that did that, they're all dead.
00:59:29.000So these new sort of DEA people and drug enforcement officers, they're operating under this assumption that what they're doing is in some way good.
01:00:10.000You probably know there's a name for it.
01:00:11.000When somebody gets invested into a religion or a cult, you get into a cult and after you've invested yourself for a certain amount of time, when you get really sucked into the cult, just the fact that you've been in it for 4, 5, 10,
01:00:27.00015 years is enough to keep you in it even though you know it's complete bullshit.
01:00:31.000So you stay in it only because you've invested too much energy.
01:00:34.000Like when they predict the apocalypse and then it doesn't happen?
01:00:37.000And those people are just like, well that doesn't shake their belief at all.
01:00:40.000They just stick to it because their ego is completely committed to it.
01:00:43.000Imagine if like your entire life you had been enforcing legislation that was completely absurd, that wasn't based on anything in reality, that in fact For your entire life, you're enforcing legislation that was in some way dampening or pushing your society back,
01:01:03.000pushing back the evolution of your culture, and you have to come to terms with the fact that you did that.
01:01:09.000You are an agent of the state, and you enforce laws that shouldn't have been there at all.
01:01:15.000Man, that's a fucking tough pill to swallow.
01:01:17.000The fact that you may have killed some people.
01:01:20.000There's people out there who have put bullets in people just for growing marijuana, something out of the ground.
01:01:26.000Or for being an Afghani adolescent, you know?
01:01:58.000But you have to come to terms with it because it's cowardly to continue to fucking enforce a goddamn thing even though you know that it's no longer relevant.
01:02:09.000You just have to take the bitter pill and go through a few fucking days of feeling guilty, you know, and understand that what you did was wrong.
01:02:19.000It's a real easy thing to say, but the problem is until the laws get changed, it's not going to seem real to people that are still caught up in the haze of culture.
01:02:30.000You know, because culture has kind of a haze.
01:02:31.000Like, you get sucked into it, and you're in it, and that's why people do different things in different places, and it seems normal to them.
01:03:05.000It just has gotten less and less ridiculous.
01:03:10.000Even to this day, if you talk about getting high, you talk about smoking pot, the vast majority of people look at it the same way as if you say, I got fucked up.
01:03:18.000We went and drank, and I got hammered.
01:03:44.000Meanwhile, you got stoned and might have realized exactly what was wrong in your relationship and tried to fix your life and wrote something down.
01:03:51.000It's going to be like the new chart, the new path of your destiny.
01:03:55.000More you got drunk and shit in your neighbor's lawn because you thought it would be cute.
01:04:08.000We promised we weren't going to talk about that.
01:04:10.000That thing you're talking about, man, that thing where you're like, well, well, well, guess you're high right now, that's deep North Korean level conditioning.
01:04:20.000It's no different than people in North Korea praying to dear leader.
01:04:24.000You have been, depending on how old you are, you have been in a war.
01:04:54.000And you know another fucking casualty of the drug war?
01:04:57.000Truth man, I was thinking like how much I lied to my mom I was in high school taking LSD having these powerful life-changing experiences beautiful experiences where I was realizing so much about Society and myself and a lot of shit I didn't understand and I would have loved to have talked to my mom about it,
01:05:19.000but I couldn't talk to my mom about it I Because if my mom found out I was doing fucking LSD, she would freak out.
01:05:26.000And parents, they go through their kids' drawers.
01:05:31.000They're digging through their kids' drawers to try to find a substance that has been on the planet for a very long time, marijuana, or a substance like LSD that is profoundly beneficial to a person who takes it in the right way.
01:05:45.000And they've become agents of the state and they're forcing in their house, in the home, which should be a place of absolute truth and trust and acceptance and growth.
01:05:57.000It's been transformed into this kind of weird gulag.
01:06:00.000It's been turned into this bizarre prison place where the parents somehow have got to enforce these absolutely arbitrary laws and that I don't think that anyone is ever going to be able to calculate how much damage that has done to society,
01:06:18.000that we have placed our teens into a position where they have to fucking lie to their parents about having the most profound experience accessible via chemicals.
01:06:28.000But there's a lot of people that think that you shouldn't fuck with any entheogens, any psychedelics, while you have a young, developing mind.
01:07:03.000It paints a picture of people who are advocates of the psychedelic experience as being some kind of evil, drug-addled lunatics as opposed to being what they really are, which is rebels and heroes in a completely insane war that has destroyed countless lives.
01:07:22.000So I wasn't able to go on the internet and look this shit up and find out that Indeed this experience that I'm having which appears to be beneficial is truly beneficial to a great many people all I had was Bullshit like you're gonna you know if you take five hits of acid you're legally insane Yeah,
01:07:42.000or the old classic I made sure to take five so I'm covered if I do something good I'm insane I'm gonna talk like from the 1940s from now on Why, I'm insane, Duncan.
01:07:57.000Say, what do you mean by this beneficial experience?
01:08:02.000Well, it's sad, you know, it really is.
01:08:04.000And what's really sad about it is, like, other wars, the casualties, you know, we build walls with names on them in other wars.
01:08:12.000But in this particular war, so many people who are just farmers and alchemists are laying in their graves.
01:08:19.000And nobody realizes that these were heroes.
01:08:22.000These were people who were in the face of insanity making the decision that regardless of what the state was telling them to do, they were going to follow their hearts.
01:08:31.000And a lot of them went to jail for it.
01:11:05.000Brian says it's all like cam girls now.
01:11:08.000That's like the majority of what it is.
01:11:09.000I think there's, I just read about this documentary about the shift in pornography, the way that pornography, that industry is kind of disintegrating because of the internet.
01:13:00.000And that guy, I heard that he is part of a, uh, him and some other people have, uh, Said that they're going to give a billion dollars to create a new artificial intelligence research center or something?
01:15:45.000I get the whole story mixed up, but basically he was explaining how these guys are actually burning down churches and they were really hardcore, man!
01:15:53.000So he plays this Burzum, this death metal for me.
01:15:57.000He's like, listen, I was super stoned.
01:16:18.000Weird magnetic subjective magnetism where you always feel it's almost a physical feeling man like you'd almost feel it Pulling your attention towards it.
01:16:29.000They're like black holes for attention.
01:16:31.000Well, it's interactive That's the big factor the big factor is it's interactive you click on things you can make things happen You can open things look at pictures.
01:16:38.000It's one of the things that people like about Instagram You're you're clicking on it and you go.
01:17:00.000But like we're talking about with the city, the city separates us from the realization that we are just temporary beings collecting things needlessly because we're only going to be here for a short amount of time, but yet we spend all of our focus trying to accumulate the largest pile of shit before we die.
01:17:16.000That's sort of the same thing is going on with phones.
01:17:19.000It's the same thing that's going on with everything.
01:17:21.000It's like it's slowly pulling us into its trance, and the more we feed into it, the more we work hard, the more they'll make more of these, the more they'll make better ones of these, the more these things will deeper and deeper integrate themselves into your life until the point where they're symbiotic, until the point where that new Google contact lens,
01:18:26.000I'm reading a book about how to strengthen your eyes.
01:18:29.000When I wear reading glasses, when I read the book, it's hilarious.
01:18:32.000You know, the myopia is like out of control and they say it's because kids are indoors all the time.
01:18:38.000I think it probably has a lot to do with it.
01:18:40.000This woman named Katie Bowman was on the show, and one of the ways she described it as a cast, she said if you're always looking at something that's the same...
01:18:53.000She was saying if you're always looking at a certain distance, a certain space, then that becomes like a cast.
01:18:59.000So if you put your arm in a cast and the muscle atrophies, but when you're outside, like a normal person is, you're looking at things that are close, you're looking at things that are far away, and it doesn't distort your When you're staring at a screen all the time, which I am, all the time, either doing a podcast or going online or whatever,
01:19:16.000That's why, you know, people who would read all the time would get glasses, and people would correlate it, like, oh, he fucked up his eyes from reading.
01:19:48.000But this thing you're talking about, aren't they finding out that there's actually something about the energy being radiated from the things at night?
01:19:59.000Like it fucks with your sleep cycle, too?
01:20:07.000In fact, I just interviewed a sleep scientist two days ago in San Francisco, a really interesting guy, does research at Stanford, Dan Pardee, and we were talking about that.
01:20:17.000It's the blue end of the wavelength, which is what you get from sunlight, affects the centers of your brain that sort of tell you what time it is in your circadian rhythm and all that.
01:20:27.000So as you get toward evening, you want the light to glow more and more gold, yellow, and eliminate the blue.
01:20:35.000So this app just automatically filters your screen based upon where you are and what time it is.
01:20:54.000They're going to make it out of carbon fiber and they're going to adjust the light in the plane to match the light in the area you're going so that your circadian rhythms don't get interrupted.
01:21:24.000I heard about this new kind of light that they have that you can put in basements that somehow perfectly replicates sunlight so that it's...
01:22:56.000We talk about this all the time, but if you really...
01:22:59.000Let yourself accept the fact that right now at this moment, flying over neighborhoods are high-tech helicopters scanning the radiation from the houses to find out if inside there are growing plants that aren't accepted by the state.
01:24:13.000Any technology that is being controlled by the state Because it's too expensive for normal people to obtain.
01:24:21.000Eventually, more than likely, will become less and less expensive, and everyone will have it.
01:24:27.000So, if right now, there's some insane technology that people are using to look through walls and see shadows fuck, then it's a, what, 10, 15 years before it's gonna be something that you could just order, or something that you can download on your super sophisticated phone.
01:26:15.000Well, there's a lot of leeway now for what they can and can't spy on you for.
01:26:22.000What they decide to look into your life for.
01:26:24.000So let me, if we follow up what you were saying about how something controlled by the state, you know, gets miniaturized and cheaper and eventually becomes available to everyone.
01:26:34.000If we apply that same thing to weaponry, I've been thinking about this for a long time.
01:26:38.000Nukes are getting smaller and smaller.
01:26:45.000It's so annoying to have to carry one in your truck.
01:26:48.000Are we going to come to the point where any terrorist group, so-called terrorist group, and I use that word in air quotes, can have access to these things?
01:26:59.000What's that going to mean to world politics?
01:27:04.000Kind of like everyone in Switzerland has guns, you know, this philosophy, if everyone had guns, everyone would chill out and be nice to each other.
01:27:11.000Are we going to come to that point internationally, where if people are aggrieved enough, they can really fuck up the game?
01:27:20.000Then the tension will shift to not having people so aggrieved.
01:27:24.000Because right now, we don't give a fuck, right?
01:28:16.000I did an interview at Singularity University, and he brought up this exact thing, which is that, you know, he was explaining it in terms of, Bioweapons that people are creating these like apparently are like fucking around with jeans in their garages.
01:28:37.000And then he was saying like things like the ability to launch satellites and just about anything you can imagine.
01:28:45.000And I think he may have, I mean, I don't know, he didn't say he was exaggerating, but he said we're looking at, if technology continues to accelerate as it is, we're looking at a point in human history where anybody, if they wanted to, could destroy the entire planet or cause massive damage.
01:29:03.000And so, You think to yourself, alright, well let's imagine that that was the case, and somehow, by some miracle, every government of the world suddenly figured out a way to address everybody's personal issues.
01:29:16.000There was still gonna be one or two, more likely a thousand people, who were like, no, that's cool, man, but...
01:29:24.000I think I'm gonna detonate this nuclear bomb that I've created in my 3D printer getting from fucking who knows how I mean it's a big question mark or something even worse than that so this thing what you're talking about I think is the that awful race Terence McKenna talked about that we're in which is that here we have this race between absolute destruction and some kind of via tech technology that doesn't even exist yet and some kind of utopian Awakening.
01:29:55.000I know this kind of stuff probably makes you want to punch me, but...
01:29:58.000It makes me want to hug you and kiss you.
01:30:02.000But these are these two races that are happening right now.
01:30:07.000One of them is, without question, technology is going to get to the point where every single human has access to some kind of device more powerful than any other human in the past ever had access to.
01:30:22.000And the question is, Is that going to happen before some other form of technology emerges that makes us all unify into one organism or some beautiful thing happens?
01:30:56.000It's almost like we need this resistance of, like, us building towards this technological singularity, almost, that's gonna be in your fuckin' iPhone, and everyone's gonna have the ability, and we're like, well, we have to fix humanity in order to have this happen!
01:31:11.000The only way that we're gonna survive is we fix humanity!
01:31:14.000And so, you know what I've been thinking?
01:31:16.000And this is something, I've never talked to an economist about this, but, in my own stupid head, I think we're gonna run into a bottleneck with technology, and I think one of the big bottlenecks is technology is all about access to information, right?
01:31:31.000Technology, like as far as what's going on, it's like your ability to do things, whether it's to project images on screens or to download things faster or to number crunch or the various different things that technology can do.
01:31:46.000But what we're using, the way we're using it today, A big factor is the ability to exchange information and the access to information and the access to each other.
01:31:55.000And it seems like it's getting closer and closer and closer, right?
01:32:58.000And, I mean, maybe there'll be some sort of a merit-based use system Where you can have access to money or use money.
01:33:06.000We'll have to figure out some sort of a way around it, but it'll have to be some sort of like ethical thing that we all agree on.
01:33:11.000If I'm looking at it correctly and I'm looking at all these trends that lead to quicker and quicker access to information, more and more availability of that information, access to information becoming universal, what's the money?
01:35:16.000He was at a Disinfo gathering, and he gives this really cool lecture or talk.
01:35:22.000And one of the things he said is that the super elite...
01:35:26.000They have gone back to a barter economy because money doesn't mean anything to you if you have billions and billions and billions of dollars.
01:35:32.000So the normal way to get someone to do something is to say, okay, I'll give you X dollars for you to do this thing.
01:35:38.000But if you've got infinite money, And someone asks you to do something to give you more money to add to your infinite pool of money, it's not an incentive anymore.
01:35:47.000You're not incentivized by money, so it's more like, what can you do for me?
01:35:52.000It goes back to some kind of weird, maybe you're gonna barter power, maybe you're gonna barter some Access or something like that, but money is irrelevant to the super elite.
01:36:03.000Money only means something to people who are in the lower and middle class.
01:36:07.000Once you have an infinite amount of the shit, it's completely and absolutely irrelevant, which is what you're saying.
01:36:13.000Everything then, theoretically, would have to go back to some weird barter economy.
01:36:17.000Right, but we're never going to reach a point of ultimate resources where everyone has the same access to things that the super elite does because there's just not enough stuff.
01:36:24.000Well, this is where you get into, like, this is where you get into the idea of experience generation.
01:36:30.000You know, like, if we get to, like, Google, this thing you're talking about, Google contact lenses, it's not going to stop at the eye.
01:36:55.000It tried to climb onto our face with the Google Glasses, but nobody liked that.
01:37:00.000But now it's getting into our eyes, and it's not going to stop at our eyes.
01:37:03.000Technology is going to merge with our consciousness, and when it merges with our consciousness, the theory would be that it could somehow create experiences that were indistinguishable from reality, which means that, really, what's the difference?
01:37:16.000There is no more We're already using bionic parts on people.
01:39:07.000Also, we need to define what we mean by human.
01:39:09.000Because I would argue that we've already left human experience and we're already well into something else.
01:39:15.000What would you call it that we're into?
01:39:18.000I equate it to, and you might know this, that every locust starts off as a grasshopper.
01:39:26.000And what happens is there's this particular, the best example is in North Africa.
01:39:32.000It's this species of grasshopper that when the density, the population density gets tight, sufficiently tight, there's a trigger point.
01:39:41.000And different genes are triggered and activated in the body.
01:39:45.000They're pre-existing genes, so it's the same DNA, but it changes the shape of the head, changes the legs, changes the coloration, and changes the behavior, and that's when they become locusts and swarm.
01:39:57.000And so I think that humans are like the grasshopper locusts, and I think that with agriculture, we became locusts and started swarming, and we're well into swarm behavior at this point.
01:40:08.000And so for the sake of argument, I would say...
01:40:11.000Human, the way I would define it, is hunter-gatherer, which is 95 plus percent of our time on the planet.
01:40:19.000And what we are now is shifted into this other, you could say artificial, you could just say emergent behavior pattern that conflicts with our grasshopper-ness, right?
01:40:37.000You know, I would say we're no longer human.
01:40:39.000It's like we're a bunch of poodles talking about when we stop being wolves, you know?
01:40:43.000I'll tell you this, if I was a fucking locust, and there was a grasshopper that's like, you're not a grasshopper anymore, I'd be like, awesome!
01:42:12.000Mitch Hedberg's got that great joke, like, thank God the fish can't scream because the ocean would be the scariest place because you'd just be hearing screaming.
01:46:50.000It's sitting in my freezer that I'm eventually going to brine sometime soon.
01:46:54.000And I'll stick that sucker in this, it's like water with garlic and salt and brown sugar, and it sits in there for about six days.
01:47:02.000And then I smoke it at like 250 degrees for hours and hours until it's just this juicy, delicious, 140 degrees in the center, so you know all the parasites, potential parasites are dead.
01:47:23.000It's just like, it's a really cool grill, man, and it's a fire grill, so you've gotta, you know, so there's no, it's not a gas grill, so you have to adjust the, there's like all these wonderful dials you have to adjust to get the heat right, but yeah, man, like when you're sitting over an open fire cooking,
01:47:56.000What he needs that you're not getting, and then you eat it, and your body's going, please, thank you, give me more.
01:48:01.000Well, there's also this, like, there's moments that people throughout history have had success hunting and then eaten that meal over a campfire, and when you do that, that is the most rewarding of all fires.
01:48:13.000Like, I've eaten meat that we shot, like, hours before from a deer on a campfire in the middle of Montana, and it was one of the greatest nights of my life.
01:48:39.000There's this successful hunt aspect of it.
01:48:41.000And then there's this primal satisfaction that you get from watching meat cook over fire.
01:48:47.000And feeling the warmth of the, I don't know how cold it was, but there's a sense of accomplishment.
01:48:51.000Like, we're comfortable because we're smart.
01:48:54.000I love sleeping in a tent when it's raining, and you're like, wow.
01:48:58.000Like, arm's length for me is miserable cold drizzle, and I am warm, I got my candle lantern, I got my doobies, I'm like completely happy here.
01:49:09.000I love the sense of accomplishment in that.
01:49:11.000That's another great feeling, the feeling of rain when you're safe inside.
01:49:15.000We're sleeping in a van, even, you know, just the sound.
01:49:18.000So I think this is the key to human happiness that we're ignoring, that our society takes all these things, that we're free and daily reality for our ancestors...
01:49:30.000Takes them away and sells back cheap copies, along with antidepressants and anti-anxiety meds.
01:49:37.000I think that's a summation of where we are.
01:49:40.000Do you think that it's possible that we, like you said, are no longer human and we're becoming this other thing, that this is a drawn-out process and we're just caught up in the wake of it?
01:49:50.000Yeah, we're in the process of being domesticated.
01:49:54.000I mean, that's why I think when you look at the extreme progressive left movement that are just so...
01:50:05.000Focused on like using the correct gender pronouns.
01:50:52.000It's that words, you know, certain words...
01:50:56.000I mean, I've had it happen on Twitter where you get...
01:50:59.000I think I did a podcast with Aubrey and he said, the female perspective...
01:51:04.000And so someone on Twitter gets into an argument with me over how you shouldn't say female perspective.
01:51:11.000And I was saying, well look, I know about the female perspective because I see from it a lot.
01:51:16.000Because inside of me, I have a feminine side of me, so I know what that is.
01:51:23.000Carl Jung was talking about the anima and the animus, that there's a masculine and a feminine inside of everybody, that they're just in you.
01:51:36.000But it's that, when people get caught up in the symbol versus what the symbol is representing, and completely ignore the fact, like think of how many different forms of fuck there are, like the term fuck, or how many different forms of the word shit there are.
01:51:52.000And all of them are intention-based, you know?
01:51:54.000Like, you could say, if I say, there's so many ways I could say fuck you to you.
01:52:11.000Or like, man, I'm going to fuck you, Joe.
01:52:15.000The point is, every single one of these has behind it an energy that has been encapsulated into the sound, and that energy is all that matters to me.
01:52:27.000And the fact that everyone has been caught up in the sound itself and forgotten the fact that the energy behind it is all that matters, that's where things are getting fucked up.
01:52:36.000Exactly what we were talking about earlier when we were talking about religion.
01:54:00.000Yeah, because you realize that there is a kind of war that's raging around this planet, but it's like a war against people who are For whatever reason, intent on expressing anger into the world, intent on expressing power over other people into the world,
01:54:18.000and people who are thinking, I think there might be another way.
01:54:21.000Maybe there was a way that we could re-adapt or maybe evolve to fit into this society, or maybe there's a whole new way where we don't have to try to constantly punch back at a person who has punched us.
01:54:35.000It's just a war between when you get fucking hit on the interstate, when your nice car gets hit because some asshole isn't paying attention, do you get out and scream at him or do you ask him if he's okay?
01:54:47.000And there's a whole group of people who think, no, you fuck that motherfucker up.
01:54:57.000The hand of God in the world, bringing vengeance as much as you can.
01:55:02.000Or the other version of it is you try to overcome that desire and you become a servant of some concept, which is the most important thing, even if we've lost everything, man.
01:55:13.000Even if we become locusts and it's all gone, and you know, the more you talk about it, man, the more I do know what you mean.
01:55:19.000Earlier, I was like, ah, I'm a locust, but I do hear what you're saying.
01:55:22.000I think it's very sweet and actually kind of tragic and sad.
01:55:25.000But if this is the case, then we still have to figure out a way to, like, Even now, as much as possible, put out into the world, love, and it doesn't matter what language we're using, if love is behind it, I think that's the highest thing, by the way.
01:55:40.000I think that's all that matters, is like, that meal was good because you were with people you loved.
01:55:45.000If you were sitting after that hunt with a bunch of people that you disliked or assholes, I bet it wouldn't have been as delicious of a meal.
01:55:52.000Yeah, but here's the problem with that thought.
01:56:00.000And also, you're in a love-supporting environment there.
01:56:05.000You're working together, you're in nature, you're around a fire.
01:56:09.000And you're successful at something that's difficult.
01:56:10.000All those things, even if they were assholes, you'd probably find more common ground with them there than you would sitting around a conference table.
01:56:20.000There's also a separation from society, complete total separation.
01:56:25.000When you're up there, there's no cell phone signal.
01:58:33.000And it shows up on their, they have like a little pad, like a, you know, a tablet device, and it has a timer.
01:58:40.000And it's like, you have to go find this, and you have to grab it, and you have like 30 seconds.
01:58:45.000So you're like literally running, looking for this flashlight, and you have to get it to the sorting, and put it in the box, and get the label on it.
01:59:09.000This is where you got, like, couples, and you got the wives up on a platform and the two husbands down, and there's a maze where the wall's seven feet high, and the women can see where the money is, and they're yelling to their husbands like rats, like, no, go left!
02:00:24.000The San Diego Zoo, it's built with an understanding of the natural environment of the animals that are enclosed there.
02:00:30.000So I want to live in a natural environment that's got my interests in mind, and in order to do that, you have to understand what kind of animal Homo sapiens is, which means you have to cut through a lot of the bullshit propaganda that you've been hearing your whole life.
02:00:42.000This Hobbesian bullshit about how prehistoric people all died in their 30s, and it was a struggle for survival, and predators lurked in every shadow, and it was this terrible You know, dangerous world.
02:00:53.000You actually look at the anthropological data, hunter-gatherers are chilled out, happy, relaxed people who are not dealing with the sorts of chronic stress we are.
02:01:02.000And you hear all these bullshit arguments that wouldn't last a second if they weren't Propping up the civilizational edifice, like that everyone died in their 30s in Hunter Gathers.
02:01:37.000I mean, the levels of depression that people experience and the levels of discontent with their existence, you know, we were talking yesterday about people wanting to take a chance to go do something.
02:01:48.000They want to do something outside of what they're doing for a job.
02:01:51.000Maybe they like making pottery or whatever it is.
02:01:57.000They just don't have the time to dedicate, to jump into it.
02:02:00.000And then along the way, you get saddled up with debt and maybe a family that you have an obligation to feed, and then you're stuck and you're trapped.
02:02:07.000That trap, that feeling of discontent with one's own daily existence, your day-by-day life, is more commonplace than not.
02:02:35.000And that's, you know, if you look at the hunter-gatherer data, what you see is these people who, I mean, you were talking about it earlier, how we need something to, like, a challenge to take us to the next level.
02:02:46.000For them, the challenge is like, oh, we're going to go hunting.
02:03:48.000What I keep hearing and what I subscribe to is that to be happy, you have to be in the present moment, wherever you are, whatever situation you're in, whatever's going on, whether you're in an office, in a job you don't like, in a marriage you don't like, with a bunch of kids that you don't like.
02:04:05.000Instead of fleeing from that by planning some fantasy of becoming a tattooist or a potter, the real way out Is to allow yourself to be fully in the experience of what's happening right now.
02:04:19.000And that, that thing itself, just doing that, and maybe that is what happens when you're in nature is you're more in the present moment.
02:04:26.000Yeah, but that makes way more sense when you're in nature.
02:04:28.000Because if you're working in an insurance company and you're just going over clients' claims day in and day out, it's super hard to be in a joyful moment.
02:04:36.000It's super hard to be there when you really want to get out of there and make music.
02:04:40.000You have songs and ideas in your head, you want to put them to wax, but your fucking kids need...
02:04:55.000You're not in a situation where you're gonna start a band, and you're not in a situation where you're gonna become a potter right now.
02:05:01.000Could be in the future, but the trick is that even though you're not in the fucking Anirondacks hunting, and you're not fishing, even though you're wherever you're at right now, Get into that place.
02:05:56.000When you're thinking about you being in the moment, like your own personal experience, what do you do to try to achieve that sort of centered feeling?
02:06:05.000Well, it's the practice of mindfulness.
02:06:08.000So it's the idea of, you know, it's...
02:06:14.000From time to time when I'm lucky, that I've been carried away by my thoughts.
02:06:18.000Like that fucking thing you were saying about laying in bed, you can generate more stress chemicals.
02:06:22.000I'll recognize like, holy shit, I've been in a vortex of thinking for the last two days.
02:06:29.000I've been caught in this like endless recurring series of worries or scenarios or whatever it may be or things I need to do or things I just did.
02:06:40.000And suddenly I realized I haven't been here at all.
02:06:52.000And this is something like, you know, Jack Kornfield talks about how the guy who taught in meditation, Ajahn Chah, was saying to him that...
02:07:04.000One of his students was saying, I'm too busy to meditate.
02:08:58.000People who are incarcerated right now, they don't get to get out of that system.
02:09:02.000So they have to find a way in the midst of all of that negative phenomena to allow themselves to experience the same kind of peace or tranquility that you are experiencing with your friends in front of that campfire.
02:09:14.000And that is why the concept of cultivation is so important in Buddhism, which is the idea that these experiences, which We're good to go.
02:09:40.000It's a feeling of being, what did you call it, a situation of acceptance and love?
02:09:44.000It's that feeling of being truly safe.
02:09:46.000Not safe because of the government, but safe because you're surrounded by people who love you and you're loving them and you know that you could be taken care of.
02:09:54.000The concept is that feeling can be cultivated.
02:09:57.000And that cultivation starts with some form of the practice of mindfulness or whatever you want to call it.
02:10:04.000I think what you're saying actually isn't in conflict at all with the other point.
02:10:10.000Because the mindfulness being here in the moment, I think if you've got a shitty job in a cubicle and you're trying to distract yourself from it, you're listening to podcasts all day while you shuffle paperwork or whatever, right?
02:10:26.000And you're not really being in the moment.
02:10:28.000It is advantageous to be in the moment if it allows you to see that the moment is fucking killing you.
02:11:04.000One guy, funny guy, he worked in a tiger sanctuary in Thailand, teaching baby tigers not to eat people, essentially.
02:11:11.000He was like the guinea pig who would go in and play with the baby tigers to teach them, like, don't eat people, people are cool.
02:11:19.000Anyway, he flew to Chile, bought a VW camper van, and drove from Chile to Alaska in this camper van, and just picked up people along the way and, you know, had all these adventures.
02:11:33.000I mean, off and on, you know, it would break down.
02:11:35.000I think he swapped out the engine five times or something, because VW vans are not known for reliability.
02:11:41.000Anyway, so somebody who listened to this series of podcasts I did with people who live in their vans, some guy's like, yeah, I quit my job.
02:11:56.000Well, if you live in a shitty situation like that long enough with a job you hate and bills that don't make any sense and for stuff that you don't even want or enjoy anymore, then that idea of getting in that camper and just driving across the country seems amazing.
02:12:40.000And he used to have a big gym, and he used to have a house, and then he went from the big gym in the house, he got divorced, he got a camper van, like you sleep in it.
02:13:49.000Well, then we'll take it to the next level.
02:13:50.000What if you switch everything to digital currency?
02:13:53.000You're finding more and more people are accepting Bitcoin and other forms of digital currency, so they start using that to pay for their rent, pay for their food, pay for their drinks, pay for their travel.
02:14:11.000The idea of you being constrained to a patch of dirt and you have to have a piece of paper to show the other people and the other patch of dirt so I can cross over.
02:15:53.000But I was told, like, when I did four days, you know, and then I went before the magistrate and he said, if you don't get arrested again in a year, this will go off your record and all that.
02:16:03.000So ever since when I've been asked if I've ever been convicted of a crime, I always said no, because I figured it's not on my record.
02:16:09.000I don't want to confuse everybody and, you know, whatever.
02:16:12.000But the first time we went into Canada at BC, you know, he asked all these questions and we went and sat down and he called me up, you know, like, no, just you, not my wife.
02:16:22.000And he's like, is there anything you want to tell me about 1982?
02:18:06.000You'll need to prove, the paragraph before that said you need to prove that you're not currently licensed to drive, don't know how to drive, or have a medical restriction that prevents you from driving.
02:18:50.000Dude, the real scary thing about what you're talking about as far as getting into other countries because of shit on your record, this is something that when I interviewed Aaron Frank at Singularity University, they try to think about what are the implications of these technologies.
02:19:04.000So, you know the recent terrorist attack where they shot up the people, that couple shot up the people, and apparently, even though I think this got disproven...
02:19:35.000At Singularity University, they were saying, what happens if the society changes so much that shit that you've posted online and admitted to doing becomes illegal?
02:19:48.000What happens then when all of that stuff is infinitely accessible by all future governments?
02:19:54.000What happens when, if like, who knows, you know, this is the scary thing to me.
02:19:58.000Well, that happened, right, with McCarthy and the communist hunt.
02:20:13.000But the one scary thing about when you look at like for-profit war, for-profit conflict, and you look at the fact that there is a benefit to some awful thing happening in the United States on a big scale,
02:20:29.000there's a monetary benefit to a great many people, Living in the United States, weapons manufacturers, legislators, people who just get off on controlling other people, and you realize that it not only benefits them,
02:20:44.000but there also is a huge incentive for people in other parts of the world to create that event, knowing that all it takes is one catastrophic event.
02:20:54.000We're like, what, one dirty bomb away?
02:20:59.000It's the new September 11th away from experiencing one of the greatest Diminitions of personal liberty that has ever happened in this country, and there's a lot of people who would like that to happen,
02:21:16.000There's people who would like that to happen who run prisons.
02:21:19.000There are people who would like that to happen who want World War III to happen because they sell weapons.
02:21:26.000And that, to me, is fucking scary to think.
02:21:29.000And if something like that did happen, and we enter into some new Orwellian Your awfulness and all your shit that you've posted, every single one of your podcasts show, you're going first, man.
02:22:43.000I mean, you keep phrasing things in terms of, like, what if we're on the verge of, and I keep thinking, dude, we've been there for a long time.
02:23:02.000Los Angeles is a result of World War II, right?
02:23:06.000Raytheon and Boeing, they're all on the West Coast because they were pumping out those airplanes and ships to go beat the Japs, and then they're looking for something to do.
02:23:14.000Well, they've got to keep us on a war footing forever.
02:23:16.000I just consulted my Harvard placemat, and you shouldn't say Japs.
02:24:49.000Yeah, he was hired by the company, I forget the name of the company, but they're still around in some form, that hired him to sell more pork.
02:24:57.000And so he came up with this idea, like, bacon and eggs, what's for breakfast?
02:25:00.000You've got to, like, integrate it into the cultural tradition.
02:25:58.000What's going on with dental hygiene versus, I mean, is it Florida in the water that makes a difference or being conscious of dental hygiene that's made the difference in tooth decay in people?
02:26:09.000Well, I mean, talking to me, I'm always going to take it back to foragers.
02:26:44.000His campaign for Dixie Cups scared people into thinking the glasses they were drinking out of were unsanitary and could be replaced by disposable cups.
02:27:37.000Oh, he hit everyone out of the park over and over.
02:27:40.000If that's what you're trying to do and no one tells you it's evil, You know what's really fucked up is those goddamn drug commercials.
02:27:47.000Those drug commercials where people are happy and they're walking hand in hand in meadows and then they start talking about explosive bloody diarrhea.
02:27:54.000But they always do it in that voice that I think we're being trained to ignore.
02:27:59.000There's that voice at the end of the thing.
02:29:38.000Those were made by a partnership for a drug-free America.
02:29:40.000And the fucked up part about a partnership for a drug-free America is they're funded by alcohol and tobacco companies and pharmaceutical companies.
02:29:47.000And my joke was, that's like hookers doing commercials against strippers.
02:31:44.000They're just like, you know, just say something crazy and provocative, and we just want people to walk out of here talking about whatever you say.
02:31:54.000Because we're not getting on a fucking plane flying across the ocean to sound provocative in your country where you get arrested for weed still.
02:32:01.000But they do it in the Sydney Opera House.
02:32:35.000For days, I would work out and I'd just be like where I'd normally be able to do like 10 reps of something I'd get to like six and be like fuck I got three more seven fuck two more I just couldn't do it I almost couldn't do the same physical things that I used to do I mean I could get to it but if I was gonna do 10 reps I'd probably get to like nine or eight but getting to it would be way harder I was amazed.
02:33:31.000And apparently there are all these techniques that you can do, changing your sleep cycle before you go, and time so you wake up at a different time and all that.
02:33:39.000It just seems like too much trouble to me.
02:33:53.000We're just so weird because we want to think of ourselves as being like very simple, very simple, very autonomous little beings that I just need my food, my vitamins, and I'm normal.
02:34:03.000No, you're like tied into the cycles of the earth itself, the light and dark, the literal rising and setting of the sun has a direct effect on the rhythm of your body.
02:34:15.000Your biological operating system falters when you throw that and it has to readjust and set things back.
02:34:24.000And think about women who are menstruating with the phases of the moon every month.
02:34:41.000And if that's happening, what other stuff is happening that we don't know about?
02:34:44.000How much are humans harmonizing with each other in other ways that we aren't even aware of?
02:34:49.000Well, my favorite example of that is this guy Bruce Vedekind in Switzerland who did research that's become known as the Sweaty T-Shirt Study.
02:34:58.000I don't know if I've talked about this on the podcast before.
02:35:00.000So he wanted to understand why women's sense of smell is so much stronger than men's.
02:35:06.000Women can smell about seven times more than men.
02:35:21.000Yeah, don't think you're going to get away with that.
02:35:23.000So anyway, so he wanted to understand why is this, and his hypothesis was that women are picking up information about men's immune system from their pheromones, from the way they smell.
02:35:33.000Because you'll hear women often will say, like, he's a cool guy, he's got a good job, he's funny, whatever.
02:36:56.000So they would find a bunch of guys who were low in one or two or number three or number four, whatever, and women who had the same different deficiencies.
02:37:04.000My hypothesis was that a woman who's low in factor three won't be attracted to men who are low in factor three.
02:37:11.000They'll be attracted to men who are high in factor three because then the babies will be healthy, right?
02:37:16.000So he gets these guys to wear t-shirts for three days and nights with no deodorant, no showers, no soap, nothing, then puts the t-shirts in plastic bags.
02:37:25.000Then he has the women smell the bags and mark on a piece of paper how attractive they thought the men were, based only on the smell of the t-shirts, right?
02:37:34.000And he found that with 80% of the women, they chose as he predicted, that they chose the men high in the thing that they were low in, and they avoided the men who were low in the thing that they were low in.
02:37:44.000But in about 20%, they seem to be choosing randomly.
02:37:48.000So he went back and looked at the women again and found that those 20% were on birth control pills.
02:37:54.000So the birth control pill short circuits that response.
02:37:59.000So think of how many couples have gotten together when she's on the pill and they both like Louis CK. Joe's looking into the distance.
02:38:11.000I talked about this at an interview in San Francisco on the PBS station down there, and as I'm talking, the guy's going, making the gesture like, that happened to me, but be quiet, don't say it.
02:38:21.000And after the interview, he's like, dude, that's exactly, my wife went off the pill and she was done with me.
02:38:27.000She didn't want me sleeping in the same bed.
02:39:57.000That you can tune into and understand...
02:40:01.000Aspects of like deep aspects to know of a person's like some specific Deficiency in their immune system just from your nose That's crazy and that kind of stuff lends credence to the idea of telepathy or clairvoyance or people who can read other people really well like maybe they're just somehow Better at like detecting whatever chemical field is around the person and can decode it in a certain way What are we doing with people?
02:40:27.000We have a whole culture of women that are taking pills that trick their body into not being able to recognize the clues of incompatibility.
02:40:35.000Yeah, think about how many kids are born with health deficiencies because of this, because people low in, you know, number three and get together and these kids have...
02:40:46.000Yeah, there's all sorts of, you know, we were talking earlier about smearing vaginal fluid on a newborn baby who's born through C-section.
02:40:53.000Again, we're pretending we're not animals.
02:40:56.000We're pretending there's not, you know, huge benefit in being contaminated with life, you know?
02:41:03.000That we're these sterile creatures that exist separate from our shit and our piss and our...
02:41:08.000Well, it's one of the things you realize from grappling and jujitsu when you start getting really into it, that you have to keep a healthy biome.
02:41:18.000One of the first things they tell you when you start training is you should start taking supplements like acidophilus, something probiotic, because you want to keep your skin flora healthy.
02:41:27.000And you want to not use antibiotic soap.
02:41:30.000A lot of times when people get infections, one of the problems is they've created a barren wasteland on the surface So infections take hold and then you treat those infections with more antibiotics and you kill off all the natural healthy, like acidophilus in particular is supposed to be aggressive towards certain types of infections.
02:41:50.000So that like if you keep a healthy skin flora, you're less likely to get things like ringworm or things along those lines.
02:41:58.000Well, this is also what they're talking about.
02:42:00.000There's a new kind of antibiotic resistant.
02:44:25.000Well, it is if, you know, otherwise you would go, you would dehydrate.
02:44:30.000I mean, if you never dehydrate, if your body would never express water in that way, like you take water in, you keep a healthy level, and it's like oil in your car.
02:44:47.000There's a lot of other things going on when you drink a lot of water.
02:44:50.000That's why one of the things that happens to people when they're dehydrated, they get kidney stones, you get crystallized things in your body, and you have to piss those out of your dick hole.
02:46:06.000Yeah, but if you fully hold your piss in for like a long time, and you finally get to a bathroom, and you're like, uh, I've definitely pissed longer than 20 seconds.
02:46:14.000That was really nice of them to include an image of a beagle pissing in case you wondered what it looked like.
02:46:20.000It's probably the least offensive penis that they could find.
02:46:25.000Like one that doesn't represent the patriarchy.
02:47:08.000I remember thinking, why am I telling this story?
02:47:12.000So I woke up excruciating abdominal pain.
02:47:16.000Casilda, my wife, who's a doctor, thought I had a gas-like bubble in my intestine, so she had me upside down on the sofa with a funnel stuck in my ass, and she was pouring off.
02:47:47.000But anyway, it turns out it was a kidney stone.
02:47:49.000Long story, it had already gone into the tube between my kidney and my bladder.
02:47:55.000And so that's what the pain is, that it's sort of scraping its way down the tube.
02:47:59.000But it didn't block the flow, so I wasn't having the kidney infection, which people sometimes get, that's really dangerous.
02:48:05.000Would they do that and they operate on you?
02:48:06.000Well, what they wanted to do is they send sound waves in from the back and the front and they calibrate it so that the waves meet right where the stone is.
02:48:15.000No, when you say the back and the front, you mean your dick hole and your butthole?
02:48:19.000It's going from your kidney in this little tube down to your bladder.
02:48:23.000Well, how do they get that sound in there?
02:48:26.000So they do an x-ray and find exactly where it is, right?
02:48:30.000And then they have, like, sonogram machines, right, that are sending vibrations in, and they meet at the point where the stone is, and they'll break it into sand, and then you can piss it out.
02:48:41.000But, unfortunately, mine had already passed through the tube into my bladder by the time they got around to it, so they're like, well, if it's in the bladder, we can't do it.
02:48:49.000We're going to have to go in through your dick, through your pee hole, with, like, needle-nose pliers.
02:50:11.000Thicker than a snowflake, but like a wafer.
02:50:13.000It just popped out and somehow it had gotten into the tube and the orgasm, the ejaculation pushed it right up to the end of my dick and then when I pissed it just popped out.
02:50:48.000Well, I guess they can, by looking at the chemical composition, they can tell what causes it, if it's a chronic thing or if it's dehydration or whatever.
02:50:57.000What if it was from another planet, bro?
02:51:09.000When Duncan and I were doing that silly show, the Joe Rogan Questions Everything show, we ran into these people that do think that they have implants in their body that aliens have.
02:51:18.000And they'll find, like, some bizarre imperfection in their skin and they'll swear that wasn't there before and that there's something in there.
02:52:20.000You park your RV. You take your camper van.
02:52:23.000But they had this, like, underneath this mountain, there's, you know, he'd set up example homes that you could live in in this paradise, and he kept saying how, like, there's going to be a wine bar.
02:52:32.000That's one thing he kept saying, but...
02:53:25.000They were using it as some kind of storage facility, and so he bought it from them and then converted it to this theoretically dystopian future place that you go to to save yourself when the bombs go off.
02:53:41.000Like they just didn't tell them that they had stored alien artifacts in that same location and while they're there it comes alive and like we have movement in the corridor.
02:55:04.000But the idea is that Because we are in an interdimensional prison where we've had this consensus reality given to us by people like Bernays, Chef Bernays, who whipped up this reality tunnel that we're all existing in.
02:55:21.000Because we are in this situation, anyone enforcing the reality tunnel We're good to go.
02:55:42.000Do anything to break a ridiculous rule, any time you do anything to break a mundane law, any time you do anything to subvert the authority of someone getting off on their power, you are actually taking part in a kind of holy war and subverting this very ancient and terrible prison that all humanity is trapped in where People parade around as though they have some kind of right to authority.
02:56:07.000Kings, being the classic case, they somehow convinced people that they were gods on earth.
02:56:14.000Clearly just human beings, the ultimate liars.
02:56:17.000You're not a god, you're a human who's convinced us that you have some kind of power.
02:56:21.000And so anytime you do anything to subvert those people, whether it's some fucking asshole who's wearing a crown and has convinced you that he's the A divine being sent here.
02:56:30.000Whether it's some son of a bitch in one of those reality shows who's like going through your pockets for weed.
02:56:35.000Anytime you do anything to even disrupt that system a little bit, you're doing a holy act in the great war against the interdimensional prison keepers who are keeping us trapped here.