This week, we're joined by Jenny Johnson, a stand-up comedian, writer, podcaster, and all-around great human being. We talk about a wide range of topics, including the death of Magic Johnson, the rise of the internet, and the mysterious death of E.E. Cappiello. We also talk about how we first learned of Magic's HIV diagnosis, and what it means to be gay in the 21st century, and why it's a good thing he didn't have it when he was growing up in the late 80s and early 90s, when people were dying of HIV and other diseases like it was still a thing. We also get into the conspiracy theories about who actually got HIV, and whether or not it's even a thing at all. And, of course, we talk about our favorite movies and TV shows from the 80's and 90s. We're in no way affiliated with the Ringer or HBO, but it's not like we don't talk about them much. Just pay the 2.95 postage. Thanks to our sponsor, Dom Herradura, and we hope you enjoy this episode! Thank you Dom for sponsoring this episode, Dom is a great friend of ours and we really appreciate your support. We really do appreciate it. - Tom and Dom are great friends of the pod and we're glad you're here with us. XOXO, EJ and we can't wait to do more of this. Thank you so much for supporting us! - EJenny and we'll see you next week! xoxo, Dom and EJ XO. xo - xJenny Johnson And we're live with Dom Herrera . Thanks, Dom Herrera. EJ & EJ is a good friend of the PodCast Cheers, E. EJ ( ) ( , EJ, E.S. ( ) and E.J. ( , and EK ( ) ( ) - E.A. (Jenny ( ) ( ) & E. . . EJUICY ( ) . (EJUY ( & EZY ( . , ) ( ), EJ( & AYI ( ) AND EJK ( ) on the podcast.
00:01:06.000Now that you brought that up, there's probably going to be some blog posts written about it and a conspiracy will get formed that that's what you're trying to do.
00:02:46.000Because every scene, everything you saw on the news, it was always coming from New York because they were too lazy to get out in the rest of the world.
00:04:07.000He had been blackmailed by a bunch of different women who had gone to his house and I guess opened his medicine cabinet and saw his HIV medication, took a picture with their cell phone and said, pay up or I'm sending this out to the press.
00:04:22.000If I was Charlie Sheen, I'd take that shit to get high.
00:04:24.000If you smoke crack and take HIV medication, you go to another dimension.
00:08:54.000And it sort of hijacks this thing that's...
00:08:56.000I don't think we're designed for media.
00:08:59.000I think that television and film and music and all that stuff, it hijacks this part of being a human being that is just unaccustomed to these sounds and these images.
00:09:11.000Like you go to a movie and you see Brad Pitt or whatever.
00:09:43.000There was an interview that he did once, I forget who the fuck it was, um, who he was doing an interview with, but I was like, who's this fucking moron that, uh, whoever the guy is, like, Larry King's interviewing.
00:11:35.000I don't even know if it was Larry King.
00:11:37.000I can't remember who the hell it was he was talking to, but I remember I was in the other room, and I was like, who's this boring dude that's getting interviewed?
00:11:43.000And then I turned the corner, and I was like, that's Brad Pitt!
00:12:50.000He had prepped whatever it was he was going to say, but everything he wanted to say was so fucking lame that you just had to watch her face was just like, mm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
00:13:01.000Yeah, just struggling to be enthusiastic.
00:13:04.000Just struggling through the whole thing.
00:14:08.000Then he worked for, like, The Sun or one of those rags over there.
00:14:11.000He worked for that company that got caught.
00:14:13.000Tapping into the voicemails of people that had died and the family got upset because they thought that the person was still alive because they were checking their voicemail, but it was actually whatever tabloid was doing.
00:15:08.000He went into this gun debate with him and he got just destroyed.
00:15:11.000And he called him out on his outrage peddling that he was immediately going to, in the debate, that he was going to immediately bring up Sandy Hook and bring up all these different people and the children that died, and that he was going to immediately use that as this cry for outrage.
00:15:52.000I like when people are just, I can't stand all that stupid...
00:15:57.000Well, those shows, that whole type of show, it only exists because you have a network, right?
00:16:04.000So you have a network, which is this gigantic thing that has had programs on forever, and they have all these advertisers they do business with, and they have these commercials they're going to sell.
00:16:12.000So essentially, the show is only an advertiser for advertisers.
00:16:17.000All these interviews and all the different programs they have, all they're doing is trying to get you to lock in long enough so they can slip an ad in.
00:17:24.000Honestly, Piers, you've kind of been a bully on this issue because what you do, and I've seen it repeatedly on your show, I watch your show, and I've seen it repeatedly, what you tend to do is you tend to demonize people who differ from you politically by standing on the graves of the children of Sandy Hook, saying they don't seem to care enough about the dead kids.
00:17:39.000If they cared more about the dead kids, they would agree with you on policy.
00:17:43.000Political conversation about balancing rights and risks and rewards of all of these different policies, but I don't think that what we need to do is demonize people on the other side as being unfeeling about what happened in San Diego.
00:17:55.000How dare you accuse me of standing on the grades of the children that died there?
00:17:59.000I've seen you do it repeatedly, Piers.
00:18:01.000I mean, you can keep saying that, but you've done it repeatedly.
00:18:04.000What you do, and I've seen you do it on the program, is you keep saying to folks that if they disagree with you politically, then somehow this is a violation of what happened in Sandy Hook.
00:18:14.000And I'd really like to hear your policy prescriptions for what we should do about guns.
00:18:19.000Because you say that you respect the Second Amendment, and I brought this here for you so that you can read it.
00:18:25.000And I would really like for you to explain to me what you would do about guns that would have prevented what happened in Sandy Hook.
00:18:30.000If you want to do what you did in the UK, right, which is ban virtually all guns, that is at least a fair argument.
00:18:35.000And we can have a discussion about whether that's something that we ought to do.
00:18:38.000I've made it very clear what I want to do, which is exactly what Mark Kelly wants to do.
00:18:41.000In fact, rather than address your comments to me about standing on the graves of children in Sandy Hook, you can address them to Mark Kelly, because he agrees with everything that What is that?
00:21:27.000It's like the way someone would sing a song, where the melody interacts with your ears in a very pleasant way.
00:21:35.000And just to go from story to story, and you just try to make it more interesting, so the director's like, let's do a two-shot, all right, let's go to one.
00:21:41.000My favorite is when they do banter in between, and then you get to find out how fucking stupid they really are.
00:21:47.000From weather to, from anchor to weather, from news to sports.
00:21:52.000And it's like, so it's just like we were saying about that game yesterday, huh?
00:26:34.000I could just see it, write it, put it in, and I could remove myself from that situation.
00:26:41.000But then there would just be those times that something really bad happened, and it's like...
00:26:45.000It was personal or it was, like, we actually had our Sky Eye helicopter.
00:26:51.000It crashed and the two people were killed, like our co-workers.
00:26:54.000And so that was something that was like, it was kind of the first, like the beginning of the end for me where I couldn't stop, you know, I couldn't do what I used to do.
00:28:23.000I have a friend who's a cop, and he's told me that they'll get to a scene, and someone who's been shot, and people, you know, no one even bats an eye.
00:28:41.000Yeah, and that, you know, I don't want to say, like, I went there, but I mean, sometimes, you know, like, we would see a video, the full video, before it's been edited, then we would edit out the dead part, you know, the...
00:28:53.000And it is weird when you're just doing that and thinking absolutely nothing of it.
00:29:21.000It has to come from a legit news source, so the Associated Press or CNN. You have to be able to cite the source that you got the information from.
00:29:29.000You can't just say, my aunt called and said, this just happened.
00:29:35.000One of my favorite ones is this news report on an arson.
00:29:39.000These people, their house got lit on fire, and this girl is interviewed, and she's like, I don't want to name no names, but it was my cousin, because he's been trying to get with me.
00:29:50.000And I think he's the one that lit the house on fire.
00:34:02.000Not only has he accepted campaign contributions from a group called the Indoor Tanning Association, Boner actually lives in a D.C. apartment owned by a lobbyist for the American Sun Tanning Association.
00:37:03.000Well, people are terrified of people from other cultures always, but when you got other cultures that are involved in things like, you know, in ISIS. But what people have to understand is...
00:37:14.000People, ISIS is killing more Muslims than there are anybody.
00:37:17.000Most of the people that they're killing are Muslims.
00:37:24.000I mean, I don't know why this annoys me, but when I'm watching the news or reading the news, which I prefer to read it because it annoys me not to watch it, But people will say, well, you know, we're waiting to find out if this was a terrorist attack.
00:38:14.000We call them Japs, because I remember Pearl Harbor.
00:38:18.000There's all these people that believe they're in other countries, but as Americans, we get to dictate what their actual lines are, so we're just going to decide to call it all terror.
00:39:19.000Sahih, Muhammad, yeah, that bad stuff, bad news.
00:39:23.000Well, it bugs me when people won't criticize Islamic terrorists or Islamic people, though, because they're worried about being Islamophobic.
00:40:02.000I heard this couple one time, I was on a flight, and this family, and they're completely dressed, face covered, and I see these old people dressed like the Gilligan's Island old people, and they're like...
00:40:17.000Yeah, they're hitting each other like...
00:40:19.000You know, they look around at this guy.
00:40:21.000I'm like, no, I don't care about those people.
00:40:22.000I care about the guys that are going to come on board with slacks that they just bought at Mervin's or something and a little button-down that's still got creases, like, no luggage, you know?
00:40:48.000Because I'm not going to just go, well, I don't want to offend anybody, so let me get on this plane at these fucking creepy people.
00:40:54.000But what I was getting at is that it's just weird that people will call you out on being Islamophobic, but the same people will openly mock Christians.
00:41:01.000Like, they can openly mock Scientologists, but if you, for whatever reason, I guess, well, I guess the legit...
00:41:10.000Angle would be obviously because we're at war.
00:41:13.000We were at war with two different countries and we're still in Afghanistan and a lot of troops still in Iraq and more now than before, right?
00:41:22.000We just sent some new ones over there, but and those people that are involved in the conflict over there are Islamic or are brown, right?
00:41:31.000So, I guess it lends the idea that, like, well, you shouldn't be Islamophobic.
00:41:36.000You shouldn't be critical or prejudiced against Islamic people.
00:44:58.000Yeah, but it's one of those, like, usually people that, you know, end up getting like a leader of something, they're always, they're smart but crazy.
00:45:07.000You know, it's like a psychotic brilliance, you know, that you can manage to get that many people.
00:45:41.000LRH. LRH. Yeah, they salute to L. Ron, however they call him LRH. It's a photo of them.
00:45:49.000They salute the photo like it's the flag.
00:45:52.000Just think of one of your friends that's real silly and goofy, like one of your craziest friends, and then imagine his face or her face up there, and everyone just took a...
00:46:02.000You know, just to Andy Dick, everybody, and everyone just looking salutes, and there's a room full of people that give all their money to...
00:49:45.000Because there are a lot of good comedians in Houston, you know, and you want to be able to like do your job and then try to do this on the side.
00:49:52.000Like, that's what I always enjoyed about it.
00:49:54.000But, you know, I'd have to go to improv or try to, you know, get some stage time or sometimes I would open up for my friends that were musicians.
00:50:16.000You know, like if I was depending on that as my livelihood, maybe I would have been more nervous, but it was like, eh, fine, I'm going back to work tomorrow.
00:50:23.000It's one of the more frustrating things for a young comedian that they're starting out is to grow up in a town that doesn't have a scene.
00:50:28.000I know if you're in Cleveland or something like that, I don't know if Cleveland has a scene, but it's fucking hard.
00:50:34.000And these clubs like the Improvs are amazing to work at if you're a professional.
00:50:38.000But yeah, I've done a couple shows at the improv here, but it's only because maybe somebody asked and had to pull strings because I'm not a name for a marquee.
00:51:04.000Well, they've sort of boxed themselves into this hole, though, because they have these rooms that are like 500 seats, so they can't have open mic nights because they can't keep the room open because all the staff and everything, it'll cost them too much money.
00:51:33.000There's no one place where everybody starts.
00:51:35.000You can't say, oh, well, they have open mic nights in L.A., don't worry about it.
00:51:38.000Well, a lot of people don't fucking start out in L.A. No.
00:51:40.000I mean, when I came out here and I started doing just...
00:51:42.000I mean, I'm doing more writing, but I still like doing my...
00:51:45.000I like trying to do stand-up, you know, two, three nights a week or something.
00:51:48.000But it's hard to even get that sometimes.
00:51:49.000Like, the Laugh Factory, they're good to me over there, and they'll give me a, you know, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, you know, one of those nights.
00:58:07.000When I find their page, like if someone retweets something, or if I retweet something someone sent me, and I find their page and they have a bunch of cool shit on there, I'll stop following them.
00:58:17.000And I think that just that way, you ensure that you have sort of a network of people that are distributing interesting information, sending it your way.
00:58:27.000But is it like, is it links to things?
01:00:23.000Like Tila Tequila and Dane Cook and all these people got super famous like really quick because once, you know, first of all, you followed Tom because everybody had to follow Tom from MySpace.
01:00:33.000What the fuck is Tom up to these days?
01:00:37.000He's in Belize right now with gold underwear on and fucking stacks of champagne bottles next to him and a big fucking tub of Viagra by his bed.
01:01:41.000Like, Facebook was cool at first, and then all of a sudden when I started getting, like, friend requests from my mom's friends, you know, like, then all of a sudden it was like...
01:01:51.000Well, too many people get real weird online and just start just digging into your stuff and stalking you and looking at, where's Jenny going?
01:02:08.000Yeah, it's like, I don't know, the people that think they know you based on, I think Instagram was more that way.
01:02:16.000Like, I have Twitter and Instagram and that's it.
01:02:18.000I don't have the other things, but I would have like...
01:02:21.000I'm gonna take an Instagram picture of you right now and people will know that this happened while we're actually doing the podcast talking about Instagram.
01:04:12.000And I'm like, if you made it, worded it in a way that was like, I don't know where you're staying, but I could tell you, like, I stayed here one time and it was fantastic.
01:04:21.000It was more of like the telling me what to do thing.
01:04:23.000But don't you think that people say that when something's awesome?
01:04:26.000Like, dude, you need to check this out.
01:04:28.000I find sometimes people do it to let me know they've been places.
01:05:56.000He would have been more of the, you know, like when you're a kid and you walk in and your dad's watching TV and it's like there's just tits on the screen.
01:06:07.000You know, like, Skinamax or whatever that he's flipping through, and then I walk in and surprise him, and he, oh, no, I'm just flipping, just trying to figure out this goddamn remote, like, fine, no, I'm not doing that.
01:06:17.000But that's it, he grew up in a different era, if he grew up today.
01:07:21.000I went to Santa Barbara recently, and after the big oil spill in the Gulf, whenever I see those fucking things out in the water, I say, well, that's a ticking time bomb.
01:08:23.000But the other way of looking at it is when those accidents do occur, the fucking catastrophic damage is so devastating that each one of those things is a ticking time bomb.
01:10:08.000Do you feel like there's a weird thing going on with Instagram and social media and stuff like that, that there's this new sort of intimacy that's very difficult to navigate.
01:10:18.000It's like when I was saying that people sort of contact you like they know you or they reach out to you and give you suggestions like they know you.
01:10:26.000There's an intimacy that people have with people that like them or follow them that you didn't have to really handle 20, 30 years ago.
01:12:11.000I mean, trust me, my phone is filled with some of the nastiest shit you've ever seen, like the gif-jif pictures, videos.
01:12:17.000I have a filthy sense of humor, but I've never just gotten a picture of a dick and been like, wow, that, I want to meet the guy attached to that.
01:14:43.000There's a lot of people that I follow like that.
01:14:44.000They just say ridiculous shit, so I follow them for that, just hoping they're going to say something stupid.
01:14:49.000I like the people that will post things to show you how great their life is, but it's the humble brag kind of way.
01:15:00.000I remember this one girl was like trying to show that her son had like straight A's on his report card.
01:15:06.000And so like the way that she was holding, it was also to show that she was wearing a Rolex and she had a nice pickpocket ring on, but it was like perfectly in the frame that way.
01:15:15.000And I thought that is amazing that you just did that and I know exactly what you're doing, but you think you're outsmarting everyone.
01:15:36.000And in some things, it's like, my mom is like the best at this, because if my sister will send like a picture of my nephew on his first day of school, you know, everybody likes to do that.
01:15:45.000First day of school, lunchbox, backpack, and standing in front of the front door, my mom will reply back, because it'll be like a group email, and she'll go, You need to get those fingerprints off the front door.
01:16:39.000There's certain people that will post...
01:16:42.000The picture where maybe they're on the beach, okay, and they're looking out at the water, and they'll put some, like, inspirational quote, you know, something that's like, you know, Jesus, blah, blah, blah, blah.
01:16:55.000All I'm going is, who the fuck took that picture?
01:16:57.000You had to ask somebody to do that, and I guarantee you, again, it wasn't a first take.
01:22:14.000You can't text Jenny and have her text you right back.
01:22:17.000Well, I feel like, you know, like if you're at dinner with your friends or something and people, there's that friend that just won't put the fucking phone down.
01:23:24.000How many times you go to a restaurant and you see people just staring at her phone when another person's over there staring at their phone?
01:23:32.000Or when you see the whole family of four and the kids that even have headphones on and they're just staring and you're like, your communication skills are going to suck ass when you're older because no one's talking to you.
01:23:58.000And so they'll go to the folder, and if I don't let them play with the phone, I'm like, no, no, no, come on, let's just have a conversation.
01:24:30.000But it is, I mean, like, I saw kids actually walking, like, just a group of kids, where the gym is that I work at, where, like, Fairfax High School is.
01:24:40.000So I go to this little boxing gym, and there's an alleyway where the kids will walk, and so, like, when you're in there, you can watch them walking after school, and every single one is just buried in their phone.
01:25:36.000Well, again, I think these things go back to what I was talking about earlier, that media, I think, is too compelling for our natural response systems, our natural instincts and reward systems that are in place for people.
01:25:48.000Like, this is just, like, too much going on on there.
01:25:54.000But have you ever got, like, where you were on a long flight, and there was, like, no Wi-Fi or whatever, and you couldn't wait to play with your phone?
01:28:15.000Well, these people got grady with their claims, and now they're fucked.
01:28:19.000And they just had a judgment against them for like millions of dollars to pay back.
01:28:23.000Yeah, because they were saying shit like it could...
01:28:25.000I guess they had alluded to the idea that it would help stave off early Alzheimer's.
01:28:32.000Yeah, I had read something about that, because there was different games, and there was something that was, like, if you're driving somewhere, and there was a thing like, drive with oven mitts on, or, you know.
01:30:19.000I know it doesn't work that way, but it's almost like I gotta clean out my brain pipes, like I'm just flushing the system with blood.
01:30:26.000I know it doesn't really work that way.
01:30:27.000No, but it's like, I actually think it does, because if you ever had a show where, you know, you got somewhere and you're like, okay, I have to take a nap, because you've been going, going.
01:30:35.000You take a nap, you wake up to go to the show, and I'm mush.
01:30:39.000Like, I just, you know, I've just woken up.
01:31:27.000I mean, like, I go to this boxing gym and I don't actually spar with people, but it's just one-on-one being my trainer, but he'll, you know, pads on his hands and he, I have to do combinations.
01:32:13.000Racquetball, handball, things along those lines, so that ball's coming, you don't know where it's going, you have to really anticipate what's happening.
01:32:49.000I believe people have a genetic propensity for it.
01:32:53.000But I wonder if people that just do, like when people get old and they're just in the recliner all fucking day long and that's it, they're watching the same shit, like you're not challenging yourself ever.
01:33:23.000And it was an interesting podcast, I think it was Radio Lab, where they're talking about, they were trying to repopulate the whooping crane.
01:33:32.000The whooping crane was like in danger of extinction.
01:33:34.000And one of the things that they had done was they tried to come up with new migration paths for these animals.
01:33:43.000Well, this lady had bird feeders in her yard, and these whooping cranes had come to her yard to use the bird feeders, and they were setting up these bird feeders and interacting with them.
01:33:56.000And the scientist that had spent so much money and so much time trying to Engage these whooping cranes into forming these new migration paths We're trying to get her to stop doing it trying to get her to stop feeding the birds Because these birds they will they don't want them.
01:34:12.000They want to be wild They don't want them to rely on people and right also Because these patterns were predictable people would find them and people but some people were shooting the whooping cranes should have lost a few of them and it's been fucking ungodly amounts of money trying to repopulate birds But her husband had Alzheimer's,
01:34:59.000I mean, I remember like when my dad, like before he died, this is a real fun story, but my mom was like, you know, just they were frustrated with each other.
01:35:08.000You know, he's just riddled with cancer.
01:35:25.000As soon as somebody brand new came in, like if it was a nurse or somebody he didn't know, I would watch him just immediately come back.
01:35:34.000I don't know if he was trying to be more hospitable or if it was what it was, but just...
01:35:40.000You would watch him just like it could just switch and he would be nice.
01:35:43.000Well, I think novelty, new things, new experiences, new places, all those things stimulate areas of our brain that we kind of take for granted.
01:37:23.000My point is I'm not good at it, so I'm obsessed with it.
01:37:26.000So when I do it, it just becomes this overwhelming thing for me where I concentrate on it all the time, and I'll do it a couple days a week, and for the other days that I'm not doing it, I'm thinking about it a lot of the time.
01:37:42.000Stand-up really does that for me, because I always get a little nervous before I go, you know, like, and if it works, you know, and if it doesn't, you figure out what joke didn't work, why it didn't, you know, should I scrap it?
01:38:02.000You know like how you feel when you get off stage and you're like all psyched up and shit like I love that feeling of being nervous and you know on stage and That always is very like rewarding to me Well stand-up is one of the few things that's still challenging in that way all these years later 26 plus years later for me But it's also because I write new stuff.
01:38:20.000Yeah, that's the key is practicing Using new material.
01:38:29.000And if you get trapped with an act, like, we all know those older comics that have been around for 50 fucking years or whatever, and they have that act where they're doing, like, Reagan impressions and needs more tissues.
01:43:13.000And then the pressure of the success of the movement, like somehow or another, this guy got celebrities and all these world-famous people were on board because it became the cause du jour, you know?
01:44:07.000Who knows what that guy is doing right now?
01:44:09.000But to me that embodies the disingenuous aspect of a lot of the Hollywood activism type behavior.
01:44:16.000I don't necessarily think they're really interested in the activism as much as they're interested in people thinking they're interested in the activism.
01:44:23.000They're trying to put together a package.
01:44:26.000And that packages how you look, how you dress, how you act, how you behave.
01:44:30.000And you have to have liberal sensibilities because you want to be fucking cast.
01:44:33.000So you have to connect with these people that are the casting agents.
01:44:37.000You can't be outrageous in any way that's non-conducive.
01:44:59.000There's a lot of vaccine deniers that are liberal.
01:45:02.000But it's such a weird thing that if you do something that's not the norm out here, everyone just treats you like a bag of shit, you know what I mean?
01:45:39.000Well, I've met a lot of people that were really young when they came out here, and I met them young when they were out here.
01:45:44.000Like, I did a show once back in the day with this guy who was an actor, and he was like 22, and he was this handsome guy, and he was trying so hard to fucking be that guy.
01:46:06.000I hated that movie with every fiber of my being.
01:46:09.000And one of the reasons why I hated it, because I felt sad that this woman who's a single mom, and she seemed really nice, and Jack Nicholson's a piece of shit.
01:46:16.000He's an asshole and she's stuck with him.
01:48:29.000Invited to be on shows and talk about it and I declined everything I was like no, I'm not good for you.
01:48:35.000I was like absolutely not Chris Brown thing.
01:48:37.000We talked about it before the podcast, but if people don't know Chris Brown obviously was in trouble because he beat up Rihanna and that whole thing and you know the domestic violence issue and you tweeted something at him.
01:48:59.000And I'll just go to my favorite targets like him or Kim Kardashian.
01:49:03.000And I only make fun of when they write something stupid.
01:49:06.000I never, I never, ever, like, I've never talked about somebody's looks, their weight, their, you know, like, it's just when something's dumb.
01:49:13.000And with his, you know, what he did, he's a horrible person.
01:49:16.000And he had showed no signs of remorse.
01:49:20.000You know, threw a chair through the window in Good Morning America when Robin Roberts interviewed him.
01:49:24.000Yeah, well, they kept asking him about it, and apparently they had made some sort of an agreement where they weren't going to bring up the domestic violence and say, I'm here to talk about my album.
01:49:42.000So I was bored, and he had tweeted something like, man, I look old as fuck and I'm only 23. And so I retweeted it and I was like, I know, being a worthless piece of shit can really age a person.
01:49:54.000And then all of a sudden, like, I look at my replies on my phone and it was like, it looked like that, those waterfall of just, like, all of a sudden it was like a thousand, two thousand.
01:52:08.000It was just so happened that something that I thought he wasn't going to take and get pissed about like that ended up being something and it wasn't how I wanted to make myself known.
01:52:18.000At that point, I already had over 300,000 followers.
01:52:37.000Yeah, and I was like, ah, yeah, no, I don't want to do that.
01:52:39.000And I think about it, like, I wonder if people would, somebody said something one time, did that bother you that that was when you were really hot?
01:52:45.000I was like, no, that is not when I was hot.
01:52:47.000Maybe to you, to me, that was like the low, that was me like dipping, you know, no, it was not my finest hour.
01:53:50.000Yeah, like he, you know, beat her head into, like, it's in, in Miss whatever her actual last name is, in her mouth filled with blood, a tooth chipped, uh...
01:54:28.000Well, that was such a, like, I mean, it was such a, you know, when I started getting all of it, I'm like, oh my God, my mom is going to, like, read the shit that I wrote.
01:54:36.000Like, I was more just going, oh, Jesus.
01:56:08.000And if I'm watching actors pretend to be...
01:56:11.000And it's somebody else's version of it, you know, it felt...
01:56:18.000I agree with you in that sense, but I don't think they had rights to anything else.
01:56:23.000I think she owns the rights to Kurt, so I don't think they could do anything else if they wanted to show that movie and depict those stories.
01:56:34.000Well, I think the problem is people won't read books and another problem is if you want people to Pay attention you would have to listen to her actual voice saying a bunch of crazy shit,
01:56:49.000which is in that documentary When you hear her actual voice lying about, like, having a drug overdose and making these publicity stunts and lying to him about where she found the suicide note or, you know, when she says she found it under the bed or under the pillows, and he's like, well,
01:57:13.000Like, when you hear that, and then when you see the actual physical evidence of her copying Kurt Cobain's handwriting, and then you see the difference between the suicide note, which is three, mostly, like, seven-eighths is suicide note, is him talking about non-related stuff,
01:57:29.000and then the last tiny portion of it is the suicide note, which is clearly in a different handwriting.
01:57:35.000Bigger letters, and like, whoa, did she fucking write this?
01:58:15.000Everyone made a big deal about it, and I just, like, the reenacting really took me completely out of the picture, but I've seen so many things.
01:59:10.000I was just swallowing the water around.
01:59:11.000The first responder said you could clearly tell who it is, and then, you know, their version of it, that his face was blown off.
01:59:18.000Like, well, you got two different versions.
01:59:20.000The fact that they cremated him six days later, the fact that they called it a suicide instantly before the autopsy was performed, that you're supposed to leave that to a forensic scientist to go over the evidence.
01:59:42.000So when they say that he had three times the lethal dose of heroin in his system, and that he wouldn't have been able to pull the trigger, I don't know if that's true.
01:59:49.000I don't know if maybe he had an insane tolerance because he did a lot of heroin.
02:00:27.000First of all, let me just say, they were fucking amazing.
02:00:30.000I've seen them like three times, and every time they were awesome.
02:00:33.000They performed in a ballroom for, I mean, maybe there was like 200 people there, and the people that were paying attention when they went on stage, it was like maybe 40. Like, we had to get people up towards the stage to pay attention.
02:00:46.000That motherfucker rocked out like he was in front of 25,000 sold-out rabid fans.
02:01:13.000Because my friends that had to deal with him, the friends that worked for the UFC, that had to, like, he demanded to go on, like, right now, or he was getting out of there.
02:04:36.000If you get booked there, unless you're a big draw to the point where you say, hey, I'm bringing my opening acts with me, they would book local people.
02:04:44.000And so they would have some guy, like I know a story where he went to this club, they had a local guy, a local guy before him is fucking literally doing handstands, he's singing and dancing, he has music he plays, he does a rap to close, he closes with a rap, the audience goes crazy, and then Hedberg goes up there with sunglasses on,
02:05:00.000stands in front of the microphone, You know, and says, somebody asked me if I want a banana, frozen banana.
02:05:06.000I said no, but I want a regular banana later, so yes.
02:05:11.000That's funny, but not after some dude's doing flips and standing on his head and shooting rockets out of his dick.
02:06:32.000Or a group of old people that went to see, whatever, fill in the blank with a really, carrot tops, some squeaky It's a standing gig that's just...
02:06:42.000You could get the wrong crowd, for sure.
02:06:44.000You know, there's some crowds that just don't work for you, for your style of humor.
02:06:48.000But, like, if you were going on a show and it's, like, you, Anthony Jeselnik, and Bill Burr, like, it wouldn't matter, right?
02:08:11.000It was going okay, but it was just very, very strange.
02:08:14.000And then after the show, they all huddled up around Mother...
02:08:18.000Mother, this woman that they called Mother, who was the head of the cult.
02:08:22.000And there's like 50 people around her.
02:08:24.000They're all dressed to the nines, suits and ties, like the nicest dresses.
02:08:29.000Like everybody's like dressed up like they're going to an award show, right?
02:08:32.000And Mother sat around with her back to the stage where they're all facing her, like as if she was on stage.
02:08:38.000I mean, she might as well have been on stage.
02:08:39.000And she was talking like, you know, like really like...
02:08:42.000Self-help nonsense sort of fucking cookie-cutter Scientology-style talking about, you know, our intention, what we put out into the world is what the world gives us back.
02:08:55.000If you love yourself, the world loves you, like that kind of shit.
02:08:59.000And they were all like cheering along with her and clapping with her.
02:10:20.000But all you have to do is sort of mine the internet for these things, repackage them, reshape them, and put on a seminar and have all these people together.
02:10:27.000And there's people that are doing that right now.
02:10:28.000And you have to have that voice and just that weird, odd look.
02:11:43.000That would be like floating in the water on a boat, you know, sailing around on a boat, and all of a sudden the boat decides it doesn't want to be buoyant.
02:11:52.000And that's kind of what you're dealing with, right?
02:11:54.000You're floating in the air, depending upon these drafts of winds.
02:17:36.000They give everybody that's a judge, they ask me to be a judge, they give everybody who's a judge one of these little boxes with all these different strains in it.
02:17:42.000And each one has a name, and you know, blah, blah, blah.
02:19:14.000That's like the impression that I got from looking at them.
02:19:17.000There was like a two-dimensional outside, and then I could occasionally see glimpses of their real self, like peeking around the corner, looking at me, and then hiding behind their persona.
02:19:50.000But the people that were, like, into it, that were really, like, involved in the quote-unquote cannabis community, it was a small sort of tight-knit group that were producing it, selling it, and growing it, and they would gather together.
02:20:02.000So they would use these things as an excuse to kind of get together with everybody.
02:20:06.000And I got in this conversation with this guy who was banking on the cannabis community taking care of him when he was old.
02:20:14.000And that's what he was, like, concentrating on.
02:22:17.000But I mean, if you're so whacked out, you're just like, I just want to sit in a chair and ride this out.
02:22:25.000I've talked about this so many times before, people are going to get annoyed, but do you know what happens when you eat it?
02:22:29.000That there's a different biological process as opposed to smoking it?
02:22:32.000When you smoke it, your body's reacting to THC, which is the active compound when you smoke it.
02:22:37.000But when you eat it, it's processed by your liver and it produces something called 11-hydroxy metabolite that's five times more psychoactive than THC. It's insanely powerful, and it's a much more psychedelic drug.
02:22:50.000Like, you'll have hallucinations, especially if you close your eyes.
02:22:54.000You can have some really, really intense visualizations.
02:23:26.000We don't know what we can take when we're in college.
02:23:29.000I would drink until I was just hammered, and then I would, oh yeah, I'll smoke that, and then I always would puke.
02:23:35.000That would be the only time I would ever puke was when I did that, and I'm like, yeah, I need to learn.
02:23:40.000Well, it's also because when you smoke, you become hyper-aware, and your body is aware of the poison inside you in the form of alcohol, and your body's like, what did you do?
02:24:39.000And I wound up talking to this guy, and it was at a jiu-jitsu tournament, and this guy was one of the competitors, and I remember thinking, like, wow, this guy's, his vibe is so crazy.
02:24:50.000Like, he's giving me, like, when you're really high, I mean, maybe it was just because I'm that high, but he hit this, like, insanely dangerous vibe about him.
02:26:42.000I like car racing, but a lot of the open-wheel...
02:26:46.000You know, even if they have just barely a wreck, but it's still their head, you know, they have all the head and neck restraints on, but you hit the side of a wall.
02:26:57.000And you've already had three concussions maybe in the past, so it ain't good.
02:27:01.000With all the connective tissue, the connective tissue that holds your brain inside your skull, that stuff tears, and when it tears, it doesn't come back.
02:27:14.000I didn't know like what that stuff was like like what is a connective tissue like until I butchered a moose once and yeah this guy right here and when we're lifting up the leg and cutting the connective tissue it's like almost like this like candy like like what's that stuff called cotton candy fibers looking stuff that it's like it's so soft It just cuts right through.
02:27:37.000I'm like, this is similar to the stuff that holds your brain in your head, and you can imagine over repeated traumatic impacts over and over again.
02:27:46.000That stuff would just start tearing and breaking loose.
02:27:48.000And then once it's torn, you're fucked.
02:28:14.000Snaps your head back, and your brain rattles around inside your head, and it gives you a massive concussion.
02:28:20.000And the ignorant people that didn't know any better, ignorant as far as they didn't have the information, they would say, oh, I didn't even get hit in the head, he's fine.
02:28:28.000But no, just getting hit in the chest.
02:28:31.000If someone kicks you in the chest, you can get a concussion.
02:30:00.000Yeah, it really, like, when you hit, if you're, you know, every time I'd be out on the boat or something, and you go into a wave, and that kind of, like, boom.
02:31:00.000And not having somebody, like, you know, take me to the bathroom.
02:31:04.000Well, for football players, you've seen those, if you've seen the Real Sports episode on NFL players from the 70s and 80s that are just jacked.
02:31:13.000Well, the one I saw that was a PBS Frontline that was about those, the concussions and everything, and it was, I mean, the guys just, they're not the same person.
02:31:30.000Well, I'm just hoping that one day they're going to figure out how to inject stem cells into your brain or something like that to reinvigorate it.
02:31:36.000But as of right now, they really can't do much.
02:31:56.000Yeah, that guy that just shaved about ten years off of his life, you know, and he's probably lost however many, you know, lost whatever function of his brain that they say is like your emotions and your decision-making and that's why a lot of those guys will like shoot their girlfriend, kill themselves.
02:34:40.000I mean, it's weird that, like, going from something I would watch and be like, oh, you know, watch it again, to, like, now I'm just going, jeez, you know?
02:35:08.000Yeah, I read something that there was like this long thing of discrepancies, like they chose to leave out, because it's supposed to be a true story, you know, and they omitted very important facts.
02:35:20.000Because of the NFL, of how they treated, you know, like there were certain things that I don't know who got behind what and like who kind of maybe strong-armed them into like doing what.
02:35:37.000But, I mean, I used to think when I would hear people, like, I mean, I grew up in Texas, too, so, you know, football was such a big thing and how there would be people that would say, like, oh, I'm not letting my son play football.
02:36:16.000I mean, I took, like, I took karate as a kid and everything, but, you know, my dad was like, you never start a fight.
02:36:22.000He's like, if somebody ever tried to hurt you, he's like, Jimmy, I just punched him right in the nose and keep doing it until, like, but defend yourself.
02:36:29.000Don't, you know, don't dance around him and talk shit, you know, just, and I was like, okay.
02:36:35.000Well, avoiding fights is always a smart move.
02:36:37.000I don't want to get in a fight, though.
02:38:03.000Seeing street fights is always so strange, too, because sometimes you see street fights with people that are so confident and they literally have no idea how to fight.
02:39:15.000Yeah, like it would be weird to not see a fight on 6th Street.
02:39:19.000But then if you go to a place that's like a nicer, you know, okay, these are adults instead of a bunch of just, you know, college kids that are ripped.