The guys discuss the tragic passing of UFC Heavyweight Champion Kevin Randleman, and the impact it can have on a fighter's mental toughness. They also discuss the recent UFC Fight Night event that was held in honor of the late Kevin Renneman, who won the UFC's Heavyweight title in 2015. The guys also discuss some of the injuries that have plagued some of their favorite fighters throughout their careers, and what they do to deal with them. They also talk about the recent injury to UFC Light Heavyweight champion Conor McGregor, and how it could have affected his mental toughness in the long-term, and why he should be stripped of the title he won. And of course, the guys talk about UFC 232, UFC 246 and UFC 246, and much more! The guys are joined by special guest Bas Rutino, who is a long time friend of the guys, to talk about all things UFC and UFC history. We hope you enjoy this episode, and don't forget to share it with your friends, family, and fellow UFC fans everywhere! Tweet us if you liked it! and tell us what you think! Timestamps: 5:00 - Conor McGregor's injury update 7:30 - Conor's injury history 8:00 9:15 - Kevin Randlemans' mental toughness 11:00 UFC's mental strength 16:50 - The impact of injuries on a champion 17:40 - Canelo Alvarez's future in UFC 19:00 | What's next? 21: What do you think of Conor vs Khabib vs Dana White? 22:15 27:30 28:50 29: What's your favorite UFC fighter? 32:00 What's the worst injury you've seen so far? 35:00 Is it a problem? 36:40 37:00 Canelo vs. Dana White s mental toughness? 39:10 40:00 Do you have a problem with injuries? 45:00 How do you feel about Conor vs. Kevin Randelman's injury? 47: What are you looking forward to the future? 46:00 Does he have a chance to win the next fight? 51: What s your thoughts on the future of the UFC s future in the UFC? 56:00 Who's the best guy to fight for the UFC vs. Conor McGregor? 57:00
00:03:13.000The early 30s for heavyweights are generally when they really come into their own.
00:03:18.000And to see him constantly injured, I've always suspected it's just his mental toughness is almost like a burden because he pushes through everything.
00:03:27.000You know, Chris Weidman, I think the same thing with his knees.
00:04:01.000Two months becomes one month or three weeks.
00:04:04.000Don't do that because later in life, like with what happened with me, It will backfire for you.
00:04:09.000It's such a good piece of advice right there because so many guys, especially ACL surgeries, how many times have we seen guys get their knee reconstructed and then they try to get back on the mat too quick and pop!
00:04:52.000And then years later, he gets a letter from the FBI, and it was a guy who was illegally handled in donors, in whatever they need for knees and for everything, like organs.
00:05:25.000At the time, when they called me crazy, when Anderson Silva was at the peak of his career, I said, if I have six months with Benji, And he would listen to me because sometimes he gets that ego that, oh, I can strike with him.
00:07:15.000It's hard to, you know, that fucking thing that makes you great in the first place, that makes you a fighter in the first place, a lot of times can bite you in the ass.
00:07:23.000Just don't do what the other person is best at.
00:07:27.000If there's one thing he's weaker than yours, go do that, whatever it is.
00:07:56.000The La Jolla, every time when he fought, he had...
00:07:58.000New technique, he used new combinations.
00:08:01.000And the same thing happened with GSP. Every time you saw him, Josh Kosciak, I remember the fight, it was a jab and it was a spinning back kick to the body.
00:09:07.000But it was so bad that they had to operate on it.
00:09:10.000And those blowout fractures of the eyes apparently are extremely painful and very dangerous, too, because it's the bone behind the eye that gets broken.
00:09:20.000So they have to go in behind the eye and repair that bone, and sometimes when they do that, your eyeball is never the same again.
00:10:05.000So, yeah, then he came to train with me because I told him before the fight with Hoost, he said, if you would fight me, what would you go for?
00:10:12.000I go for body shots because of your stamina, and I kick your knees instead of your legs.
00:10:17.000I kick your knees because you have to carry that weight all the time.
00:10:21.000Hoost dropped him two or three times with the liver shot.
00:10:23.000So after that, he came and said, I really want to train with you.
00:10:26.000I said, okay, well, then I'm going to be in Japan anyway, so let's work out.
00:10:46.000We went out to dinner with him and they have to close the restaurant and have to let him out at the back because you see one person in the front, two, four, boom, and there was a whole group.
00:11:10.000They had a picture of him on the cover coming out of like a massage place.
00:11:17.000And you saw these little girls next to him and he's the mountain of a man stands there.
00:11:22.000And all these little girls, they had that little black thing in front of their eyes, you know, that they do, so you don't know who that person is, which can still tell.
00:12:01.000The first time when he fought against Nogueira, I go, dude, we're going to hear from this guy.
00:12:06.000He was doing really well against a seasoned guy like Nogueira.
00:12:10.000Eventually, okay, he lost, but he just started.
00:12:13.000I think if he would have kept focusing on the same training that he did at the time, It would have been a much tougher guy because he had a lot of talent, physically at least.
00:13:16.000Well, he made it through, he survived, and then he started just quick tapping.
00:13:21.000He started doing all these fights where he would get hit, he would go in hard, and if it didn't work out, he would just tap.
00:13:27.000He fought a bunch of guys like that where he would start off the fight really well and then wind up tapping out.
00:13:33.000And then he would fight again in like three weeks and do the same thing and just kept doing it, living off of the name that he had created while he was in Pride.
00:14:58.000She went after Holly, and she tried to bully her, and Holly just, great footwork, countered her, and that kickboxing and her movement.
00:15:06.000Holly's movement is the best in all of women's MMA. Her footwork and movement, she's so good at getting out of the way, at countering when you're coming in, and the style, the bulldog style of Ronda's, especially the way she fought that fight that night, just played right into Holly's hands.
00:15:28.000One of the things I said after that fight, I'm like, she should take a long time off after that fight, because that's the kind of head kick, that's the kind of KO that it takes a long time to recover from.
00:15:40.000You might look fine, you might be able to talk, but mentally and also the brain itself, that kind of an impact, like a high kick like that, can really take a long time for everything to heal, for everything to normalize.
00:15:54.000Well, Kenny Rice said, because I took my words back, because we're talking about Floyd Mayweather versus Rwanda.
00:16:01.000I said, well, if it goes to the ground, you know, yeah, I truly believe.
00:16:04.000But Kenny said, footwork will make sure it's not going to go to the ground.
00:16:08.000I go, no, no, no, five rounds, five minutes, 25 minutes, a long time, you know, there will be a clinch one time.
00:16:33.000And I think a lot of it is based on Holly's previous performances in the UFC, especially the Raquel Pennington fight.
00:16:38.000Raquel Pennington, who's very tough, very durable, and Raquel, I always give her the nickname, the Ear Exploder, because she's had so many moments in the fight where you're like, You scream so loud that you blow people's eardrums out.
00:16:53.000When she fought Ashley Evan Smith and Bulldog choked her, blood everywhere, and she choked her one second ago.
00:16:59.000We were screaming at the end of that fight, like, she's out!
00:17:03.000But Pennington's so tough and fought conservatively against Holly Holm and almost won.
00:17:09.000Like, that was a split decision, right?
00:17:11.000So, you look at that fight and you go, oh boy, man, maybe Ronda could stand with her and just go after her the way she went after Betch Cohea, the way she went after Alexis Davis.
00:18:16.000Yeah, I felt like her hand techniques were on point.
00:18:18.000And then when she polished off Betch-Cohea in the first round, it sort of Well look, obviously she hits hard, her technique is improving, and she's an elite athlete.
00:18:28.000You're talking about an Olympian, you're talking about a person that has that mindset to push forward and figures out a way to get better at everything she does, but so does Holly.
00:20:02.000If he's now on the straight and narrow and he's just fighting, I see this guy, nobody's gonna beat this guy.
00:20:10.000It's gonna be hard, that's for sure, but the worry about John is that John's gonna fuck himself up because recently he just got caught driving with no license and no insurance and no registration.
00:21:02.000I mean, he has his flaws like most people, and he's young, and the amount of pressure that he's on to be the youngest ever UFC champion, to have this spectacular career so early in life, the only loss he had was a disqualification that was a bullshit disqualification.
00:21:17.000I mean, this stupid rule of 12 to 6 elbows, they gotta get rid of that rule.
00:21:23.000If we don't know what I'm talking about, folks, in the UFC, there's a rule, and it's a crazy rule, that you can't strike someone with an elbow from 12 p.m.
00:21:32.000to 6 on a clock dial, like going straight down.
00:21:35.000And the only reason why you can't do it is because when they were setting up the athletic commissions, the athletic commissions had seen those karate demonstrations on TV where a guy would break a brick with his elbow, and they said, well, you can't do that.
00:21:46.000That's got to be illegal, because someone could die.
00:21:48.000And this is what Big John McCarthy told me, that he had to talk to these people, and he's like...
00:23:18.000I feel like to a downed opponent, maybe that's a problem when they're up against the cage because you can't get your head out of the way.
00:23:25.000In Pride, one of the crazy things about Pride, which I think to this day, and one of the reasons why I was so excited to have Mauro here too, you guys called the glory days.
00:23:34.000Some of the wildest fights in the history of the sport where you have stomps, soccer kicks, everything.
00:23:44.000No, I remember fights that they literally have Vanderlei Silva in the corner or Ninja or Shogun, you know, and they would hold the ropes and then just stomp somebody.
00:24:35.000I can't remember his name, but that guy's a big guy, and he had Roger Hurt, and then that soccer, they have like a rule at 1FC, I don't know if they still have it, where they'll say like, open, like where you're allowed to do a stomp or a kick to the downed opponent.
00:25:34.000There's a lot of debate about the old rules of pride versus the rules of the UFC, and that was one of the things that happened when Krokop started fighting in the UFC and then fought in a cage for the first time against Gonzaga.
00:25:45.000Well, you know, he fought Eddie Sanchez first, won that fight, but it's not on his level.
00:25:52.000And then he fought Gonzaga, and Gonzaga took him down, held him up against the cage, elbowed the shit out of him, and then stood him up and high-kicked him.
00:25:59.000But he was saying, like, the elbows confused him, like he wasn't used to that, and he also wasn't used to the cage being trapped, whereas the pride ring, you could move around.
00:26:08.000Like, the ropes were there, you could get under the ropes, you could...
00:26:29.000Yeah, I think Gonzaga, that fight, and I always come back to this, I thought it was so smart what he was doing.
00:26:34.000He was constantly throwing a right hand.
00:26:37.000And it didn't even come close to his face like this.
00:26:39.000And I'm constantly thinking, why is he doing that?
00:26:43.000And then it really, you know, I got, oh, he's shutting his kick down.
00:26:47.000Because Krokop, he might think, if I just throw a right straight, like every 20 seconds in front of your face, he's going to think, if I throw my left at the moment he throws that right straight, he's going to knock me out.
00:26:58.000So he shut his whole game down and then he was moving to the left and that was the blueprint to Krokop because after that everybody started doing it.
00:27:07.000Yeah, and it's interesting how Krokop got his revenge in the rematch in a big way with elbows on the ground.
00:27:15.000One of the things that Krokop was saying before that fight is that he didn't particularly like grappling and he didn't particularly like elbows on the ground.
00:27:22.000Meanwhile, that's what won him the fight.
00:27:24.000The second fight he won by being on top and by the elbows that a real talented striker can throw from the guard.
00:27:31.000The difference in those elbows is just unbelievably devastating.
00:30:30.000So you're getting all that hip torque in there.
00:30:32.000It is such a powerful strike, and also with the clinch, even when they stand like this, if I do this, it loops around the defense and hits the back of the head, still the legal part, because it's outside the Mohawk.
00:30:45.000Well, even the back of the head standing never seems to get, like in boxing, they get penalized for punching the back of the head, like people say no rabbit punches, but when you think about a head kick, A lot of head kicks, especially the ones that go over the shoulder, they're the back of the head.
00:32:35.000It's kind of strange because in a self-defense situation or in actual martial arts, if you think about what is the most effective technique to use, knees to the ground are very effective to head on a down opponent, elbows to the back of the head are very effective.
00:32:49.000But are they that much more dangerous?
00:35:21.000And it's so nice to see how well he's done with his school, too.
00:35:24.000He has one of the biggest jujitsu schools in the world.
00:35:27.000And in Manhattan, where it's so hard to be successful because it's so expensive, real estate.
00:35:33.000I think the IFL had a big part in that because they did that thing on 20-20 for him, or 15 minutes, one of the two, and after that it just exploded.
00:35:43.000Because once you get into the world of Enzo, you know, about what kind of person he is, you know, everybody likes him.
00:36:09.000And John Donaher is a big part of that as well.
00:36:11.000He's got these guys that are training there that are so successful in these jiu-jitsu competitions.
00:36:15.000So it's not just the legacy of being one of the Gracies and being one of the most famous jiu-jitsu practitioners ever, but it's also on top of that, it's the product.
00:36:24.000Like the The results they've gotten in competition.
00:36:27.000You know, he's got a really good staff as well teaching there, which is a very important thing because most of the time guys who are really good, they want to control it too much, you know, and then it goes down.
00:36:38.000He did a great job just getting the right guys for the job.
00:36:41.000Well, it's also, you see extreme loyalty from the people that train there because they love Henzo so much.
00:36:46.000There's like a real bond with Henzo Gracie.
00:36:49.000Of course, Matt Serra, who came from that lineage, and then a lot of his guys as well.
00:36:53.000Just can't say enough good things about Henzo.
00:37:53.000I mean, if you look at Brock Lesnar as an athlete, I always said, if you took Brock Lesnar and got him to a guy like Matt Hume or Farah Sahabi and said, okay, make this guy a champ, you're dealing with a freak athlete.
00:38:06.000Just train him correctly, build him up slow, get him through the ring, but he wanted to fight right away in the UFC. One fight in K1, right to the UFC, fought in that K1 LA show, and then right to the UFC. Yeah, it's a shame.
00:39:15.000And with him it was because he was not super technical yet in striking, but he hit an overhand and it hit with this part of the hand with the fist.
00:39:24.000The back of the head and couture went down.
00:39:27.000Then when Junior Dos Santos knocked out came Velasquez like that.
00:40:41.000If he gets too excited, instead of stepping back, he goes in for the kill and that got him in trouble later in his career because if he would simply step back and come back.
00:40:50.000But that's why every person, every guy, everybody likes Chuck Liddell.
00:40:54.000You don't look at Chuck Liddell and say, oh, he lost a couple of times by knockout.
00:41:58.000John Peretti told Chuck right before he fought his first fight in the UFC. He said, if you take this guy down, you'll never fight for us again.
00:43:45.000So I was in my shorts, flip-flops, and I had this Hawaiian shirt on.
00:43:49.000And that was the first one that I'm leaning back...
00:43:53.000And there's a bunch of these geishas, they're fanning me down, they're feeding me grapes, and I'm doing, I'm talking to Steven, who is in the event, you know, we're going back and forth, and they say, hey man, we really like that, maybe we should keep doing this.
00:44:06.000And then we start coming up at this crazy opening.
00:44:08.000Well, a lot of what you were doing, it was, I don't even know if I was working for the UFC back then, but guys from Jiu Jitsu, we would all get together.
00:44:15.000We'd either go over to my friend John's house, or we'd go over to my house, and we'd get together with a bunch of guys, and we would watch Pride.
00:44:24.000Those were the days, because it was the early days of MMA. And, you know, we had had, in the 90s, you'd have the UFC, which was kind of struggling at the time, because they were kicked off a cable.
00:44:34.000And the only way you could get it was on DirecTV.
00:46:05.000That was the Holland days of the top Holland guys when right around the time where Ramon Decker started dominating and Rob Kamen started dominating, so much talent came out of Holland.
00:46:23.000If you look at the size of Holland, you look at the amount of high-level kickboxers that have come out of there, it's pretty incredible.
00:46:29.000You know, the K1, for instance, at the end, from the final eight, they fight all year.
00:46:36.000They make a final tournament for the people who don't understand it.
00:46:39.000They fight ten times a year, or there's ten shows a year.
00:46:42.000And then in December, there's the final eight, like the UFC started.
00:46:46.000Eight fighters, the best from the whole year, compete against each other.
00:46:49.000Whoever wins gets like $450,000, whatever the prize money is.
00:46:53.000But they start realizing that the final eight, six were Dutch, seven were Dutch.
00:46:57.000So now, if you're, for instance, a guy who was born in Morocco but lives in Holland, or even when you were born in Holland with Moroccan parents, you know, suddenly you come up with the Moroccan flag.
00:47:36.000And I see him, and he's with a little mullet, and he is...
00:47:40.000Skinny, and he fights this guy who's much older, he's like 16, 17 years old, an older guy with tattoos, so automatically you go, oh, man, he's gonna get killed.
00:47:49.000And my buddy goes, just wait till he starts, you know?
00:47:53.000And the first kick, I still remember, he kicked a guy, a low kick, and the guy He went horizontal and fell on the ground.
00:48:00.000I'm looking at my body, I go, this is the craziest part I've ever seen.
00:48:04.000It was so explosive and he was so skinny at the time, but his technique was perfect.
00:48:09.000His technique was perfect and he was so ferocious.
00:48:12.000Towards the end, his ankles were so fucked up that he wanted to fight southpaw because he didn't want to throw the right kick, but he would kick a few times and he would go, fuck it.
00:48:23.000He'd go right back to it with his bad leg.
00:48:25.000I mean, they were telling him, like, we're close to amputating your leg.
00:48:28.000You've broken your foot so many times.
00:53:26.000Man, these are like, in a lot of ways, unprecedented times because the ties back in those days, we were used to karate and we were used to PKA, kickboxing.
00:53:40.000Yeah, yeah, 10 kicks, WK. People didn't know.
00:53:44.000And then when Westerners started going over to Thailand and competing against the Thais, we started seeing what high-level Muay Thai they had and their kicking technique and especially the low kicks was just devastating.
00:53:58.000The American champions here, when they came, when they lost, it was low kicks.
00:54:02.000Yeah, but remember when Rufus went and fought?
00:54:05.000And it's kind of funny because Duke Rufus talks about it, he kind of laughs about it now, that they were saying when his brother got fucked up, I forget who his brother fought, but he got lit up with leg kicks and stopped, and Duke was like, well, there's not a lot of technique to that, and, you know, I don't think there's much, it doesn't take much talent.
00:55:54.000No, they first thought maybe he fell, but it was his heart.
00:55:57.000And he's also, because we've all been crazy, we all liked going, pushing limits, you know?
00:56:01.000We were drinking with everything, but he was totally like a year nothing.
00:56:05.000We started cycling, and I knew, you know, once he starts something, and he loved cycling, I mean, this guy is going to go 50 miles an hour.
00:56:13.000I know he's going to, because that's who he is.
00:56:15.000He can't stop being the best at everything he does.
01:02:22.000Yeah, so they're going to have the finals on Friday, where the Ultimate Fighter finals, and then they're going to fight for the title.
01:02:29.000Ioana Jacek and Claudia Gadea, and then they're going to have the big 200 card, which they don't even know exactly who's going to fight in the 200 card.
01:02:36.000I mean, that's July, so a lot depends on Conor McGregor vs.
01:03:34.000I don't know who her wrestling coach is.
01:03:36.000But I think she does a lot of her work in Poland, you know, because she lives in Poland.
01:03:40.000So, I mean, there's so many good European wrestling coaches.
01:03:44.000You know, Europe and wrestling, there's a lot of great, like, especially, they bring in a lot of Eastern Bloc wrestlers, a lot of Russian wrestlers.
01:03:53.000Like, that's how George St. Pierre got so good.
01:03:55.000The Russian nationals who are training up in Montreal.
01:05:40.000And if you're used to it, it's the same as a fight.
01:05:42.000I mean, if they go hard, that's a fight.
01:05:45.000Yeah, well, it's very similar if you train like that.
01:05:48.000Some people feel like, I mean, that's one of the ideas behind hard training is that when you train hard, you fight hard, and it becomes normal to you.
01:05:55.000But then other people think, well, you really should just train technical like a lot of the Thais do.
01:06:01.000They train more technical and more light with their sparring, and the hard work is all pad work and bag work.
01:06:06.000So there's people that think, like, that's the way to save yourself.
01:06:13.000Because he wants to preserve his chin, wants to preserve his head.
01:06:15.000It's like he saves the hard work for the bag and for fights.
01:06:19.000I used to train a lot with my buddy Amir, Amir Peretz, the Navy SEAL guy from Israel.
01:06:26.000And he's the one guy who could hang with me, I mean stamina wise, because I will not knock him out, but we will go hard, people who see us, They think it's out of control, but it's not at all.
01:06:38.000So it's also about who you train with.
01:06:40.000If one day your steady sparring partner is sick and somebody else pops up and you don't know that guy and that guy tries to make a name for himself, that's when you get the injuries.
01:09:32.000There's so much high-level kickboxing talent in the world, and now that, you know, Glory picked up, it's showtime, and K1's not really around anymore.
01:10:26.000Because if you throw a boxer in the corner and you start unloading on him with right, left, right, left, right, left punch, that's a pattern.
01:11:10.000Did you ever see the, well, John Wayne Parr has got a fucking amazing highlight reel, but I put one of them on my Instagram page the other day, where he hits this guy with like seven uppercuts in a row with the right side, just bang, bang, bang, bang, bang!
01:11:24.000Like, you can't prepare, you don't know the guy's gonna do that!
01:12:36.000See if you can find that picture because it's one of those pictures you just look at and you start shaking your head and blinking like, what the fuck?
01:12:43.000His whole face is like patched together.
01:14:46.000But what happens in the mind of a fighter, as soon as I hit you and I see your hand going up, automatically I let my power off because it's like, oh, it's defended.
01:14:57.000But if you just don't care or close line him, like I said in the beginning, he'll go straight through.
01:15:02.000Yeah, well you started throwing kicks in the Pancrase days, I remember, you know, because I came from a kicking background, there was not that many good kickers in MMA. Before Maurice Smith fought Conan, we really didn't see that many head kick KOs in MMA. Yep.
01:15:32.000Yeah, and that was the first time I was like, okay, now we're finally seeing a guy who can throw some kicks in MMA. But the first time really was you and Pancrase, because you would, and they make you wear those crazy boots.
01:15:42.000You had like wrestling shoes on with a big boot shin and in-step.
01:16:22.000I train a few guys at my gym, but I've been traveling a lot now, so the coaches that I have at my gym are training them, but we got only three pros and then a bunch of amateur guys.
01:16:34.000So you're still doing inside MMA with Ken.
01:16:39.000And you do World Series of Fighting still?
01:16:42.000World Series of Fighting, actually this weekend coming up on, what is it?
01:16:46.000Saturday, this Saturday on NBCSN. Really?
01:17:25.000He should tone a little down, I'll always say, but maybe it's his fight style and he just wants to go.
01:17:30.000Because sometimes he gets hit hard, and I think eventually, we had that with Clay Guida, you know, like fighters, eventually it's going to break.
01:20:31.000Well, a lot of what's going on, too, is his conditioning is off the charts.
01:20:34.000He's working with Nick Kurson, who's one of the disciples of Marv Marinovich, and they've got him doing these crazy, explosive plyometric drills and all these footwork drills, and if you've ever seen his training routine, you're realizing they got a fucking oxygen mask on him,
01:20:50.000and he's throwing body shots on the bag.
01:20:52.000It's all this incredible, brutal breakdown for strength and conditioning, so that he could really go five rounds like that.
01:21:00.000There's no such thing as having enough stamina.
01:21:22.000You know, they turn it on and you're in a bad spot there.
01:21:25.000It's the worst thing in the world to see an opponent notice that you're tired and he's not and he's coming after you and he starts dropping low kicks on you and punching you in the face and you can't do anything.
01:22:28.000Well, Pettis, for instance, I thought he was never going to lose, and the only times he was losing was against guys with great stamina, you know, Clay Guida and an RDA, who just keep pushing the fight.
01:22:41.000Yeah, I think physically, Pettis is not strong enough for those guys.
01:22:46.000Guys like Dos Anjos that just put it to him, or Eddie Alvarez who just put it to him.
01:22:50.000They turn it into one of those grueling wrestling matches.
01:22:53.000I think his takedown defense is pretty good, and I think his grappling is not bad.
01:22:57.000He won the title with an armbar against Spencer Henderson.
01:23:00.000But I just think physically, when it comes to these grueling exchanges, I just don't know if he's physically strong enough to fight that kind of fight with Lega Dos Anjos.
01:23:45.000Dos Anjos, he hurt Cerrone and battered him up against the cage, but I thought the stoppage was so weird because he looked at the referee and he's telling the referee to stop the fight and Dos Anjos has Cerrone, Cerrone's turtled up and he's still covering up.
01:23:57.000I don't know when a fight should be stopped in that situation.
01:24:01.000When a guy gets hurt to the body, he's obviously hurt, but Dos Anjos is hitting him and Cowboy's covering up.
01:24:23.000When Luke Rockhold got on top of Chris Weidman at the end of the round and was beating the fuck out of him, I was saying they should stop that fight.
01:25:26.000I mean, you know how, like a big John, he tells me, and I've seen him doing it against the fighters in the dressing room, he'll tell them, do not come to me after the fight, that if you lay on the ground and a guy hits you and you're just bugging up, I will stop the fight.
01:25:51.000Also with, for instance, guillotine attempts, or you see guys who defend the guillotine, like a standing still.
01:25:58.000And I go, don't defend the guillotine, you know, go for position.
01:26:01.000Make sure that you get close, you hold a hand, make sure he doesn't jump guard, because if you defend, well, look at Pat Miletic against Hansel Gracie in the IFL. He's defending the choke, and he jumps guard.
01:28:47.000Well, Randeman took you down and you just kept attacking from your back.
01:28:50.000Yeah, that's what McCarthy said later, I didn't put him back on the feet because Bas was working from his back.
01:28:55.000That was the reason they didn't put us back on the feet.
01:28:57.000But you know, if you have guys like Carlos Conant or what you saw a lot at Pride also, great groundwork and they're constantly attacking and then they get rewarded for that after the fight.
01:30:07.000In the end, there were a few, like the undercard were 10-minute fights, but most of the time everything was 15 minutes, and the title fights in the end was 30. In the beginning, the first year and a half, it was all 30 minutes.
01:30:26.000But, you know, and again, if you look at some UFC fights where they just lay, lay, lay, then, you know, in the old days, you remember, without the stand-ups, yeah, then it becomes kind of boring.
01:30:36.000But that was one of the things when I moved to Pancras.
01:30:39.000I always tell this story, but when I saw my opponent, he was 45 pounds heavier.
01:31:15.000Well, it's also good for grapplers when they work, like say if you have a five-minute fight or a five-minute round, and you work for four minutes and 30 seconds to get the fight to the ground, you only have 30 seconds to try to secure a submission.
01:31:25.000Whereas if you take a guy to the ground in a 10 minute fight and you're forming it in 30 seconds, now you have 5 minutes and 30 seconds to try to finish him.
01:34:12.000Yeah, if you're a passionate person, if you're passionate about what you're pursuing, you're going to do better than a person who's just doing it as a job.
01:34:32.000He actually went a little further and then he slammed him.
01:34:35.000That was the most spectacular slam KO in the history of MMA. Ricardo Arona had him locked up in a triangle and Quentin slammed him into oblivion and headbutted him too on the way down.
01:36:12.000She came to me crying and she said, he was in...
01:36:17.000He was home, and that weekend, she was gonna tell him that he had to go to the doctor, because in the family, it runs in the family that they have enlarged hearts, and he needs to check that out.
01:36:27.000And that was what was going down there.
01:36:29.000There was no drugs, no nothing, because people started, of course, the conspiracy theories, they didn't find anything.
01:36:35.000And the crazy thing was I talked the day before with Sean.
01:36:39.000It was so weird, because then you guys announced it on USC, and it was, I go, whoa, Sean, so I started Googling.
01:37:36.000Yeah, he was another guy that was really loved by the guys that he trained.
01:37:41.000Those relationships between trainers and students, trainers and fighters, they're so important.
01:37:46.000You know, and it's so hard for a fighter to find the right trainer, the right trainer that fits their personality, someone who's technical, you know, someone who has also that emotional bond.
01:37:56.000That's the thing, the 100% commitment.
01:41:05.000I just want you to listen a little bit more because if I would get in Chuck's head, you know, as soon as Chuck hits somebody, that's the same with Benji Raddick.
01:41:13.000They have one vision and that's the knockout.
01:43:26.000I mean, every week I had to go get 20 shots, 10 shots in each arm.
01:43:30.000And what they would do, they would inject a little tiny bit of where you were allergic for.
01:43:35.000And then hopefully, it's like the flu vaccine, hopefully the body finds a way to counterattack that.
01:43:41.000But every time when they do that, I'll be sick.
01:43:43.000So I needed to recoup from that the whole time.
01:43:46.000And I think eventually the cortisones, because they're really bad for the bones and the tendons, I think the cortisones really got my tendonitis.
01:44:06.000The craziest thing is that when I was young I did track and field and I did it at a pretty high level already because I wanted to be the next Bruce Jenner at the time.
01:45:36.000I said to my hotel, I said, man, do you want to train me?
01:45:38.000You see, those are guys who really want to learn.
01:45:39.000And then once you start learning and these guys listen, And then suddenly they start being more explosive with kicking and punching, they go like, dude, this is crazy.
01:45:47.000You know, like sound effects, I do a lot.
01:46:33.000And then if you have an athlete like Jones who will listen to you, yeah, that's gold.
01:46:41.000But if a guy like that came to you, if a guy like that came to you and said, listen, boss, I want you to train me, is that something you would be interested in doing?
01:46:51.000You know, the division, the new podcast, the gym.
01:46:55.000I mean, there's so much stuff, the World Series of Fighting, that I suddenly cannot do because then we've got to have the 100% commitment.
01:47:02.000I like a lot because I'm a very basic guy.
01:47:06.000Everything is the basics with me because everybody forgets the basics.
01:47:10.000So most of the time when somebody comes out, like Tim Sylvia, a while ago he came to my gym and he threw the left hook wrong and I tell him, I said, man, this can be way harder and he starts learning to throw the hook without loading up and he won his fight in 15 seconds with the left hook.
01:47:25.000He goes, dude, this is crazy, it works.
01:47:27.000To give him an hour of time and show them what they do wrong And then if they actually listen to it, they realize, wait a minute, I got more power.
01:47:36.000You know, I don't try to change the style.
01:47:38.000I just show them how you get maximum power.
01:47:41.000And if you mix that up between your styles, that's up to you.
01:47:43.000But I see you have this incredible passion about this.
01:50:44.000And your striking class, are guys sparring in there, or are they mostly just working on technique?
01:50:48.000It's all technique, and my classes, you go, like, you see girls that I have in my class, when I strike the double left, double right, I can tell them any combination, and people who are watching, they go like, whoa, what is this?
01:50:58.000But they've been with me for a while, and they're very technical.
01:51:01.000And they do really well with the striking.
01:51:04.000Like yesterday, again, they were laughing about it.
01:51:11.000They're probably going to listen to this also.
01:51:12.000But I said, listen, everybody throws a low kick at the end.
01:51:15.000For instance, a combination with a low kick.
01:51:17.000But once you do that in a class, the low kick, they have their hands always down.
01:51:21.000So I let them do it to me, that combination.
01:51:23.000And then just before they make the low kick, I stretch my hand in front of the face.
01:51:26.000And I say, I want everybody to do this because I just walked around, I said, and there were only three people from the 22 or 24 people there are who are doing it.
01:52:50.000AXS TV, once they hired Mauro and George Burnett to do the Pro Wrestling, New Japan Pro Wrestling on AXS TV, I told them, I said, you watch.
01:53:00.000Mauro's going to work for the WWE. After they hear him doing this, he's going to get a job.
01:53:44.000The next day after the wedding, we were all at the pool, people laying there, a little hungover, and then suddenly there was a volleyball net, and somebody started to play volley, and all these competitive guys there.
01:53:56.000Suddenly there's big teams on each side with the kids, and we're going to town, and everybody's waterfalling.
01:54:41.000You know, the first time I fought him, right?
01:54:42.000We fought and only met one time the fight before when he beat Maury Smith to make the picture in the cage and that became the poster later.
01:56:51.000Oh, I was talking to him the whole time, Big John wrote it in his book, because I was literally, people were booing because laying on the ground, I say, listen, man, I think the fans would like it much better if we stand back up.
01:57:04.000I'm trying to negotiate with him to go back on the feet, you know?
01:57:59.000When you look back on it, I mean, it's got to be pretty amazing.
01:58:02.000The time that you came along, I mean, from becoming the King of Pancras, from entering into the UFC and being the UFC heavyweight champion, like, what number was that, UFC? 18 and 20. 20, I became the champ.
01:58:48.000It's also the newest sport, because there's no sport from 1993, which is when the UFC first started, there's no sport from then that has exploded.
01:58:56.000A new sport that came along in 1993 that's exploded, and now in 2016, I mean, you have Ronda Rousey, who's on the Ellen Show that we talked about today, the Conor McGregor-Dos Anjos fight is probably going to get close to two million pay-per-view guys.
01:59:09.000I mean, that's going to be fucking crazy.
01:59:10.000You're dealing with this sport that's exploding.
02:00:01.000You know, because you're getting older and you don't want to admit that you get older because you're still explosive and you still want to do it and you still train with guys.
02:00:09.000When I came back, I trained with the guys in Vegas and I go, dude, everybody looked at me and they said, then you have a second career.
02:01:25.000You're very honest about how you feel about a fight coming up, about where a guy fucked up, or where a person's chances lie, and I think it's amazing what you've done.
02:01:40.000You know, I'm always trying not to get hit, you know?
02:01:43.000It didn't really work in my title fighting as Kevin.
02:01:46.000Because you beat the crap out of me for the first four minutes, but you know, but after that It was okay for the rest.
02:01:53.000I don't think I ever got hit You know, I always try to you know slip and move well fighting intelligent is the most important aspect of fighting to use your mind to use your mind and proper tactics and techniques That's why I love Mighty Mouse Yep.
02:02:08.000Mighty Mouse is a pound for pound the best guy.
02:05:36.000And because of that, there were so many temptations.
02:05:38.000And that's why for her it was also so hard when she lost.
02:05:41.000She was such a high, you know, and then boom, there you have such a low.
02:05:46.000This is how your opponents could have felt.
02:05:50.000And I think that kind of stuff, you know, on one side it's really good for her because now she understands that.
02:05:55.000Now she's going to go, oh, okay, now I tasted the other side.
02:05:59.000You're going to make you a better person, and you start reminiscing about all the things that I, you know, was I, ooh, in that interview, I wasn't really, that wasn't really cool.
02:06:07.000You know, those things start backfiring once you start losing.
02:06:10.000It's with McGregor the same thing, although with him, there's always, it's a funny thing.
02:09:10.000Whereas, like, if you bring that money to America, I mean, five million dollars in Los Angeles...
02:09:16.000You can get a decent house, and then it's gone.
02:09:19.000But in Brazil, he can hold onto that money for a long time.
02:09:23.000Well, who knows how much Conor's gonna make in this Dos Anjos fight, and even if he loses, he still defends his featherweight title, which is crazy.
02:09:43.000I always say, I always talk about distance.
02:09:46.000Yesterday in my class I said again, the most important thing in fighting is keep your nose pointed to your opponent, because if you say eyes, they think, look in the way, this is eyes on your opponent.
02:10:07.000What Wonderboy has that no one has is karate kicks.
02:10:11.000He's got the front leg side kick to the body, the front leg roundhouse kick to the face.
02:10:15.000When he was fucking Johnny Hendricks up with that, he front leg side kicked him to the body, and then front leg roundhouse kicked him to the face.
02:10:46.000His fight with Hendrix was his coming out moment, like where you really got to see him with all of his work that he's done with Weidman and his takedown defense and his wrestling.
02:10:54.000And you're seeing that kickboxing that we always knew he had with the 57-0 kickboxing record.
02:11:59.000I mean, one of the best wrestlers right now in MMA. So to have a guy like Weidman training, I knew they do a lot of training sessions at Hofstra.
02:12:06.000They go down there and do a lot of work with the wrestling team.
02:13:02.000We never saw anybody do that to Hendrix.
02:13:03.000Yeah, I think what's interesting to try with guys like that, I always said this with Machida also, and even with Conor McGregor, and when he fought Aldo, and in this case now as well, because their stance is so karate-wide,
02:13:38.000Let's switch you to Southpaw so we can use your left low kicks because the way they stand, it's going to be very hard for them to get away from low kicks on the outside.
02:13:51.000What McGregor does, he lowers himself and once his knee goes in the same line as his butt, so to say, you don't have any space to land that inside low kick.
02:14:01.000It's really weird if you angle it up, the angle is gone.
02:14:41.000But he's another guy that he had to relinquish his title because of concussions.
02:14:46.000And he's going to do the podcast soon.
02:14:47.000We're talking about him coming on the podcast because he wants to talk about some of the situations he's gone through dealing with concussion syndrome.
02:15:17.000You know, because I have good sparring partners.
02:15:19.000It always happens when you go somewhere and then one of these, in a boxing club, and suddenly a boxer jumps up, hey, want to go a few rounds?
02:15:26.000And then it goes harder, harder, harder, harder, and then you're in the fight.
02:15:29.000Well, that's one of the smart things that Conor does.
02:15:32.000Conor keeps all of his training partners very close.
02:15:35.000He's got Gunnar Nelson, he's got a bunch of different guys that he trains with on a regular basis, and he keeps those guys very close to him, and everybody's got a common goal.
02:15:43.000Everybody's trying to help everybody else, everybody's trying to get themselves healthy, so that they're going to be stepping into that cage at 100%.