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00:00:45.000Camouflage is a weird thing, like when you see guys walking down the street with camouflage, and it's like, what if they really were camouflage, like you just see a head floating down the street?
00:00:54.000Well, one day they're going to have that.
00:00:56.000Have you ever seen that Japanese invention they came up with?
00:00:58.000They have this cloak that you can wear, and it essentially takes an image of what's behind you and projects it on the front.
00:03:01.000If you were doing a demonstration for a company or something like that, and you want to show them a project you're working on, or maybe some architecture you're trying to construct.
00:03:58.000This is something I always kind of wonder about you.
00:04:00.000How you can possibly consume so many interesting and unrelated topics and develop expertise in so many unrelated things while being a content maker.
00:04:10.000Like, you're making stuff that people consume.
00:04:14.000How can you possibly be mastering all these things at once?
00:04:26.000I'm not a master at any of those things.
00:04:28.000Yeah, but I mean, you're bow hunting, you're, you know, there's so many different things, you know?
00:04:33.000Like, I literally do fighting stuff all day every day, and when I get a break, I hang out with my wife, and sometimes I'll take a day off, and that's it.
00:05:31.000I listen to archery podcasts where they're just talking about very specific ways to hold a bow and fix your sight and make sure you use your release properly.
00:05:42.000I listen to those fucking things for hours and hours and hours obsessively on top of practicing.
00:05:48.000But I used to worry about it when I was younger.
00:05:50.000I used to be like, what the fuck is wrong with me?
00:05:52.000I can't just concentrate on one thing.
00:05:54.000I always have all this other shit going on in my life.
00:05:56.000But then I realized, well, that's just me.
00:05:58.000If I just enjoy it and just do those things, then it doesn't concern me.
00:06:03.000Then I'm just appreciative that I have so many interests.
00:06:06.000Did you ever read some piece somebody wrote, something about, I hate Joe Rogan, or why I hate Joe Rogan, and then he went on this path and he discovered that he actually hated that you were your authentic self.
00:06:23.000And as he learned more about what it was to be authentically him, he realized his hatred for some famous person was that he was looking at him and he hated that that guy was actually him.
00:06:34.000Well, it's easy to hate somebody that's, like, in the microscope all the time, because you'll find all these flaws.
00:06:40.000Like, if you follow someone every day, day in, day out, and expect...
00:06:46.000You're gonna be massively disappointed because the kind of exposure that you get when you're doing a podcast like when you're talking to someone for hours and hours and hours, you know, I've done 700 and what is this?
00:07:32.000Like when you're talking about accepting why you go and do things the way that you do them, that's why you do, because you're like, fuck being some other thing.
00:07:44.000Having this kind of a life is super lucky, and if I didn't live it that way, I wouldn't be taking advantage of this huge opportunity that very few people get.
00:09:48.000Watching things improve, watching yourself get better at things and analyzing things and figuring out what the holes are, the flaws, where the errors are in your little system that you've created.
00:10:03.000You know what really frustrates me, really frustrates me when talking about these things?
00:10:06.000Sometimes I'll get messages from people and they'll say, well, that's easy for you to say because, you know, you've got lucky and you found it.
00:10:14.000But like, you know, a lot of people can't do that.
00:10:18.000They'll come up with all these reasons why they can't instead of saying, well, my situation is particularly difficult, but there's a workaround and I'm going to find it.
00:13:25.000And Andy McCoy wouldn't mean much to a lot of people, but to somebody who's really into Motley Crue and stuff like that, he was in a band called Hanoi Rocks that kind of started that movement.
00:13:36.000I'm like, whoa, shit, I'm going to be famous.
00:16:12.000In the course of playing in music, I've met lots of people who have opiate problems.
00:16:19.000And they would say, oh man, four days, that's nothing.
00:16:21.000But to a person who was a normal person, and then all of a sudden they were doing drugs for four days, it probably was a violent withdrawal.
00:17:41.000He's from Finland and he's a pretty big rock star in Finland.
00:17:44.000And he and his wife, who was there at the time, that was the woman that I met, they had a reality show with, you know, kind of like what Ozzy did, but with them.
00:19:27.000You know sell tickets and you get there and you say hi and you just go do your act Except for the 30 years of developing your act yeah building it and having you know the insight to Understanding how people laugh and all that kind of stuff.
00:19:42.000Yeah, you're sort of developing your ability to make an act But the act itself is like it lives for about two years and it dies Then you have to like let it go like you you you build it up You put it on something, put it on some sort of a special or a CD or something like that,
00:21:27.000Yeah, as long as guys stand in front of him.
00:21:28.000And it's like, literally, what Stephen Thompson did, and the really exciting thing you're seeing right now, is this weird moment where it's like...
00:22:09.000So when we think that, we start building a structure, gym environment, curriculums, how we train, and that thing gets more ingrained and complicated.
00:22:19.000And you go to the gym, you work these four or five things, and some guy over here is working other stuff.
00:25:29.000Well, you know, what happened was he learned how to get comfortable standing up, where he didn't worry about being taken down all the time.
00:25:36.000And then you got to see what he's really capable of with his striking.
00:25:38.000Because you look at his earlier fights, he was a little more tight because he was worried about being taken down.
00:25:43.000So all that takedown defense, I mean, he always had the great footwork, but now he also has a solution if you do grab him.
00:25:51.000So when guys grab him, he's not out of water.
00:25:55.000And it is way harder to take someone down when they're not trying to wrestle with you.
00:26:00.000If someone's trying to be aggressive and attack, you can counter.
00:26:03.000And you can take advantage of openings that they leave.
00:26:07.000But when someone is just being defensive, like if jujitsu, if you roll with someone, it's very hard to tap someone who's just being defensive.
00:26:20.000And I think the same thing with wrestling.
00:26:22.000These guys, like, Mirko Krokop was a great example.
00:26:25.000When he first started fighting in Pride, he took, you know, just like a year or so, and all of a sudden he had takedown defense figured out and everybody was fucked.
00:26:34.000Because then you gotta stand with this guy, and he was one of the best examples of a high-level kickboxer that entered into MMA because he was always a one-shot explosive striker.
00:26:45.000Whereas a guy like Ernesto Hust was a combination fighter, a guy who threw beautiful, technically perfect combinations, but never really like, bah, like blitzed in and exploded.
00:26:55.000And it seems like the blitz is a big part of MMA fighting.
00:27:00.000I mean, the technical striking for sure is important, but I think you've got to be able to make that mark quickly, especially with those little gloves.
00:28:36.000You know, when Ali was young, before they took away his title and he was kicked out of boxing for three years and then he came back and he was much more flat-footed.
00:28:44.000But the early days when you would watch Ali fight guys, he would be able to move away from them and then slide back in and hit them.
00:28:51.000And they really didn't have a solution to that.
00:28:53.000And when you don't have a solution to that, it means you're getting hit and you're not being able to hit the other guy.
00:31:39.000It hurt my foot and then we went, my wife and I went on vacation right after and we walked non-stop the first day that we were there, just non-stop.
00:31:47.000And the next day the fasciitis happened and it feels literally like you can't even put weight on your foot.
00:31:53.000Like it's so inflamed and you don't know what it is.
00:32:41.000But still, that's probably my weakest part is my balance, balancing my foot there.
00:32:46.000I saw when you had Carlos and his movement guy on here, and that was one of the things they talked about.
00:32:51.000It's one of the things Ido Portal talks about, too, is that one of the biggest weaknesses in our whole chain for most of us is our feet and our ankles.
00:32:59.000That's Nick Curzon's number one thing.
00:33:00.000When I said, what's the number one thing that you like to work on with fighters is, like, foot strength.
00:33:16.000I literally, I was in Mexico and I would have to like sit against, lean on my wife to get to the bar to drink some tequila so that it would hurt a little less so I could get to the pool where it didn't hurt as much because you had water buoying you.
00:33:31.000So were you taking painkillers or anti-inflammatories?
00:34:09.000We're walking on that all day, all the time, climbing and fighting and running and whatever things we do.
00:34:14.000And that thing right there is on the bottom.
00:34:16.000I mean, you got to figure that's going to take some abuse in your life.
00:34:18.000They also say a big issue is shoes the way the the padding that we have on shoes the extra like the runners padding You know you're really supposed to have like the most minimal amount of protection from the environment as possible Just a thin minimalist type of a shoe that and that allows us to use our feet The thing we got is just a big lump on it,
00:34:37.000you know, so you don't get to use it But when when you train taekwondo growing up like martial arts for kids like kids and teenagers and stuff man, it's just gonna make everything better and Well, definitely flexibility.
00:34:48.000I'm still really flexible at 48. I mean, it's because I never stopped doing it, but it's also because I started doing it before my body grew up.
00:34:57.000But what they're saying now is that Navy SEALs that are learning, they're going through training and everything with those...
00:35:20.000I think there's a TED Talk about it where they went over how...
00:35:25.000Someone had created one of those running shoes with the thick heel area, and what it had done is really essentially changed the way people run.
00:35:33.000It changed their gait, and it made people run heel first, which is totally unnatural.
00:35:37.000You're supposed to ball the foot first, and your foot's supposed to absorb the energy.
00:35:41.000And when you do that, your foot acts as sort of like a spring, and it slows you down, it decelerates you, and that's how you're supposed to run.
00:35:48.000You push off that, and you run with that.
00:35:50.000If you do that, your foot will be very strong, and you could run long distances, and your foot will stay healthy.
00:35:56.000But if you're used to using those running shoes with the big heel, you go heel down first, you don't have that strength in your foot, and you can get really fucking injured if you try to do the same amount of miles and the same intense workout with a toe shoe or something like that.
00:36:10.000Because your feet are just not designed for it yet, or conditioned for it, rather.
00:36:14.000The funny thing, like, when, you know, they're telling them not to use these shoes because their feet aren't strong enough.
00:36:20.000But if they use the shoes, their feet will become strong enough.
00:36:23.000Yeah, but they want them to go through some pretty fucking grueling, rigorous, soul-searching, you know, workouts.
00:36:30.000And we talked about, I was hurt, I did yoga, it fixed it.
00:36:34.000You did yoga, it hurt, now it's better.
00:36:36.000Like, you have to go through a certain amount of hurt.
00:36:38.000You have to go through a certain amount of, you know, challenge to repair it.
00:36:42.000But it strikes me so strange when you think about some things that humans do, something as small or big as going, well, we're going to wear these shoes, changes everything.
00:36:53.000Not only how we are, our future, these little things that we do as people, you're never able to project the good and the bad outcomes of them in the future.
00:37:04.000You just have to deal with them when they have them.
00:37:06.000Yeah, I'm a big fan when it comes to like minimalist footwear.
00:40:39.000And I think the mood of it makes it feel like, ah, you know, it's a bit of a stoner sport in some ways.
00:40:44.000Guys just chill out and they're wearing their pajamas, hanging out, but it's fighting.
00:40:48.000Yeah, if you're getting caught in things, you know, just trying to fight out of them or trying to not tap, you put tremendous amount of pressure on your joints.
00:40:56.000Put a tremendous amount of pressure on your neck, on your back, always a lot of pressure on your back to try to get out of situations.
00:41:02.000You're contorting yourself often, you know, and you really need to be strong in those areas and flexible.
00:41:10.000I took, first time I met Eddie, I took his seminar and Eddie's got a room full of people.
00:41:15.000And I think he, I maybe had heard him say this before in a video or something and people are stretching and he says, so you gotta, you gotta work on that.
00:41:24.000And somebody said, well, this is as flexible as I am.
00:41:26.000And he's like, that is a very North American line of thinking.
00:41:29.000No other place where people go, this is as flexible as I am.
00:41:32.000They'd say, this is as flexible as I am right now.
00:41:36.000If I work at it, I will become more flexible, like everything in life.
00:41:39.000But for some reason, we have these limiting beliefs.
00:41:43.000It's like, do you know how to play piano?
00:42:15.000That thing, if a kid has that, their whole life is better.
00:42:21.000And we can have it at 40 or 50 or at 60. The idea that whatever I am is not what I am, it's what I am today, but I can improve those things.
00:43:34.000But that belief that there is no point, that belief that there is no limit whatsoever is incredibly powerful when it's put together with a drive of a work ethic, with an insane work ethic.
00:43:48.000Well, it's interesting, too, because with fighters, when they're in camp, most of the time you're preparing for a specific opponent.
00:43:55.000You're not really picking up new skills.
00:43:57.000The way they really pick up skills is by training and taking chances and going outside their comfort zone, which is really not something you want to do while you're conditioning yourself for a fight.
00:44:06.000So when a lot of times when guys are going back to back to back and they're fighting a lot, they're not really improving much.
00:44:11.000What they're doing is just they're improving their ability to compete because they're getting more comfortable because they're competing a lot.
00:44:17.000They're getting relaxed, they're in great shape, and they're getting used to the feeling of being in competition.
00:44:22.000But man, there's not a lot of time to take some time to just go over new stuff, to learn new things, to add new weapons.
00:44:30.000Well, when I talked to him and his coach, Kavanaugh, who I only spoke to briefly, I actually tried to contact him to ask him if I could pick his mind a bit before doing this breakdown.
00:44:41.000I took it as a big compliment that he's like, no, no, I'll maybe chat with you after.
00:44:45.000Like that But if he gave me something, I might pass it on.
00:45:25.000And when I ask him about Connor, and we're very good friends, but when I ask him about Connor, he says, Connor is his own...
00:45:31.000But I know at the same time, when you work with his own mental coach, he's on his own journey.
00:45:38.000And not that he doesn't want information from David, but he wants it from 50 sources.
00:45:43.000He's consuming philosophy and ideas of how to improve and ideas of what it is to be your authentic self, peak performance, all that kind of stuff.
00:46:23.000If you spent all that time training for Jose Aldo, and only Jose Aldo, oh my god, Chad Mendes is in, questions, doubts, concerns, what are we doing, game plan.
00:46:32.000Instead, he was like, it doesn't matter who it is.
00:46:36.000And they train to get better every single day in everything.
00:48:01.000When you recommended my stuff to Dana, I flew down to the office with him and Craig, and Dana and I were literally standing up acting out stuff while we were talking.
00:48:10.000It was really, really, really exciting and cool.
00:48:12.000And it is cool to be doing that for the UFC. It's awesome to have you, man.
00:48:17.000Yeah, well, when you first started doing it and we became friends and I would watch your stuff, you know, I just immediately was saying like, wow, this guy should be doing this for the UFC. I mean, your stuff is awesome.
00:48:30.000There's so much, and you can get so much out of it as a fan.
00:48:33.000As someone who's like, look, this fight is goddammit.
00:48:36.000This Conor McGregor, Rafael Dos Anjos fight is an epic super fight.
00:48:40.000It's two champions in their prime, one of them coming off of a stunning 13-second knockout to win the title, the other one coming off of a brutal beatdown of one of the most popular contenders.
00:48:50.000I mean, Dos Anjos looks like a goddamn murderer, and Conor looks like a freak.
00:48:55.000He's like just these two guys, it's perfect.
00:48:58.000So to get some technical insight and to get a view into what your thoughts are on footwork and movement and what Dos Anjos could possibly do to mitigate some of that footwork.
00:49:09.000What's gonna happen if Conor gets on his back the way Mendez got him on his back?
00:49:12.000Because Dos Anjos is a lot bigger, a lot stronger and dangerous as fuck with his submissions.
00:49:18.000Yeah, Chad's never really submitted people.
00:49:20.000That guillotine, but Conor used that threat to get up.
00:49:24.000But Chad was two weeks in for that fight.
00:49:30.000There's no way a guy who's got a wrestling-heavy strategy like Chad does, you're not going to be conditioned enough to go five rounds with two weeks.
00:50:19.000But breaking that stuff down, when I looked at it, so my real goal is to try to influence the way people watch fighting and to make them see it the way that I see it.
00:50:32.000The goal is that I see this crazy, unbelievable stuff happening underneath some of the surface, and I want to entertain people long enough that I can trick them into learning some of it.
00:51:28.000But then there's not another fight now for a few weeks.
00:51:30.000We should learn some shit in the meantime.
00:51:32.000And we should get you prepared so you don't have to teach them everything about this fight in the fight while calling the fight and making sure it's entertaining.
00:51:40.000We've got to get you prepped with some knowledge.
00:51:42.000Well, there's never been a time like this before where you could get so many different breakdowns, like the Gracie breakdowns of submissions that Henner and Huron do, Lawrence Kenshin stuff, Jack Slack stuff.
00:52:10.000You know, what Kenny's take on it is that Kenny, he writes a lot of notes, and he's been writing notes for years and years, and that's what happened.
00:52:19.000He just failed to attribute, which, you know, may be the case.
00:53:08.000Crazy things that had, you know, changed the way that you understood how people moved and what happened when trained athletes fought each other.
00:53:14.000And it meant something to the next time that you fight, the way they move, all that stuff.
00:53:18.000And then people would be like, alrighty, got it done at two minutes of the third round.
00:53:40.000I mean, we're taking human beings at the highest level of training and in a global experiment to figure out what is the ultimate way that human beings can do combat.
00:53:50.000And we're putting them there at personal risk to themselves.
00:54:06.000We got to honor the fact that these guys are giving that stuff.
00:54:10.000Well, I think we both agree that the fighters of today are the greatest fighters ever.
00:54:13.000And the audience is far more knowledgeable today than they've ever been before.
00:54:19.000So when we're watching all these breakdowns and all these different technique videos, you have so much more access to mixed martial arts knowledge.
00:54:49.000Yeah, jujitsu is a whole other fascinating world of its own right now.
00:54:53.000But, yeah, I just love now that it's like it isn't just...
00:54:56.000The outcome, or the storyline around it, or the shit-talking, people are interested in the fight, like the thing that's happening when these geniuses are actually moving.
00:55:06.000That just makes me, I'm glad that's happening.
00:55:12.000Eventually, at first, just gotta see home runs, man.
00:55:15.000We're just gonna sit around until the home runs happen.
00:55:18.000Or, like what if in football, people who love football didn't understand, they were just bored out of their tree booing when they ran the football one yard.
00:55:26.000And they only cheered when it was like a long bomb.
00:55:28.000That's what happened to some degree in fighting.
00:55:31.000Guys would be against the fence or guys would be grappling and people would be like, ah, when is the fighting going to happen?
00:55:40.000Especially when we go to different markets outside of Vegas and the audience is not that educated and they start booing when it goes to the ground.
00:56:22.000As we all know, but we don't do it because our coaches and the way that we've taught and the way we've celebrated the spinning and beautiful techniques, that's what we're doing.
00:56:32.000That space in between you and me being able to kick each other from here, the Mexican team entered that space, took it away and punched you in the body.
00:57:24.000Well, it can, but it also doesn't have to.
00:57:27.000One of the things I really love about what John Donaher's doing with Eddie Cummins and Gary Tonin and these assassins that he's got out of Henzo's in New York is they're figuring out a way to use these leg lock transitions in a way that it's not dangerous to do.
00:57:43.000The traditional thought was when a guy goes for a leg, and if you do it improperly, it is the truth.
00:57:48.000You're committing two arms to the leg, and you're not going to be able to defend against punches.
00:57:52.000We saw that with Frank Mir versus Ian the Machine Freeman.
00:57:56.000Frank was going for that heel hook, and Ian just kept punching him in the fucking face, and he stopped him while he wasn't tapping, and he was just slamming him in the face.
00:58:05.000Alan Belcher, when he was fighting, what's his name?
00:58:11.000With the highest level jujitsu guys, they're putting themselves in a position, first of all, when a guy like Gary Tonin or Eddie Cummings grabs a hold of your leg, you have fractions of a second before your knee explodes.
00:58:31.000They are putting you in a very, very dangerous spot immediately.
00:58:35.000And it's the technique and the thought process behind it, and whether it's perfected by Donaher or a bunch of other people.
00:58:41.000I know Dean Lister was initially a part of that as well.
00:58:43.000He taught those guys a lot, and he was one of the early leg lock masters.
00:58:46.000But these guys, they're doing it in a way where...
00:58:50.000These techniques that I might have agreed with you just a few years ago really aren't for MMA, like the 50-50 and stuff like that.
00:58:57.000You're seeing those really apply to MMA now.
00:59:00.000The cool thing about fighting, like everything is fucking cool about fighting, you know?
00:59:07.000But another in a long list of cool things is how the money that exists, like when we talk about why the UFC is a great thing, I think the UFC is an awesome thing.
00:59:19.000When you monetize something, more study and things happen to it.
00:59:42.000Guys like Donaher will arc back with their study of the martial art back to where they get paid, which is fighting, which is the UFC. Well, it's interesting because you need a guy like a Donaher.
00:59:53.000You need one of those genius guys to just try to figure out what's the best way to approach this.
01:00:10.000Now, we're going to attack it this way.
01:00:12.000So many times when guys would go for an arm bar from side control, you'd be in side control or you'd be in a mount, you'd grab an arm, you'd swing over, and you'd go and you'd commit to that arm, and then the legs would fly over for the defense.
01:00:25.000Well, Eddie Bravo was one of the first guys to say, well, let's not hook it with the right arm.
01:00:31.000Say if you're going for someone's right arm and you're trying to arm bar them, don't hook it with your right arm.
01:00:36.000Hook it with the left and grab their leg with your other arm.
01:00:41.000Because this way, you've stopped the defense and you've got a much more secure set of offense.
01:00:47.000One of the reasons why people were going for it in the first place was because of the gi.
01:00:51.000Now, the gi is a really interesting thing because I think the gi is very good defensively.
01:00:56.000And I think defensively it's one of the best tools to make sure that you're using proper technique because you can't just explode out of things.
01:01:41.000Any kind of combat, any way that you put two people trying to best each other, it's going to be absolutely fascinating.
01:01:47.000The geek guys are doing some weird shit, man, where they're like taking their jacket off and wrapping it around your head and strangling you with it.
01:01:53.000Makes sense, though, if we're really going to use this thing, if it's going to be in there.
01:01:57.000But fighting, too, it's like even how jiu-jitsu is used in fighting changes so much in such interesting ways, in ways that we've now seen happen over and over so many times that you can predict their future again.
01:02:09.000Like, you know, the one example that I always kind of use is, you know, I'm in your guard, so I do a can opener, and then your guard opens.
01:02:20.000And then you discover, hey, wait a second, I'll armbar that.
01:02:23.000And you armbar me, so I'm in your guard, a can opener opens your guard, wait a second, you armbar me, no more can openers!
01:03:10.000The crazy aspect of it, because we've seen this a million times.
01:03:13.000So, all right, guys, we're not going to submit from guard.
01:03:16.000Our use, when we are in guard, we're going to use it to get an underhook, threaten one of these three things, and heist their hips back out, and we're going to stand up.
01:03:24.000We're going to work on our stand-up more, and for here, we're going to get back up.
01:03:43.000You hold me down and beat me up, and I try to get back to my feet.
01:03:48.000Your game on top hasn't even involved the real threat of submissions for two fucking years because all your training partners are just standing up.
01:03:56.000So you're getting weaker at dealing with submission threats because you never see them anymore.
01:04:20.000The mindset of how to train that thing in the gym every day removed a very real threat because your training partners don't even throw it at you anymore.
01:04:30.000Yeah, you see that also with wrestlers that don't wrestle much anymore, because they're working on their striking, and they kind of put the wrestling aside, and then they get out-wrestled, and you realize, like, that's something you've got to stay on top of.
01:04:41.000Yeah, there's just so many different variables in MMA. It's one of the reasons why it's such an amazing sport, is there's so many different ways to go about it.
01:04:49.000I mean, you can just decide to Damien Maia it, close the distance, get guys to the ground, use your superior jiu-jitsu, submit guys, and, you know, look like a wizard.
01:08:57.000You know, we were talking about like fighting today versus fighting 30 years from now.
01:09:03.000Why don't we train like it's going to be 30 years from now?
01:09:05.000I think one of the problems is we need to see it be successful.
01:09:08.000Like you need to see a guy like Wonderboy fight where you go, okay, we got to learn some fucking sport karate.
01:09:14.000We've got to figure out how to do that blitz.
01:09:15.000We've got to figure out how to slide back and throw those kicks the way they're doing it.
01:09:18.000And I still, to this day, think we haven't seen the level of traditional martial arts techniques that exist in a really good Taekwondo match or a really good Kyokushin match.
01:09:32.000You've seen some guys like Muntasri, who's fighting the UFC, who's a national champion.
01:09:37.000Yeah, he's a bad motherfucker with his kicks.
01:09:40.000So you're seeing him, but he's got to learn all that other stuff first.
01:09:45.000He's got to get, I mean he had to rather, learn all that other stuff first, get better at all these other techniques.
01:09:50.000And perhaps there's going to be some guys that are even better or more powerful than him.
01:09:55.000You know, these traditional techniques, I think, are probably the most underused or the most underappreciated aspects of MMA. I mean, when we saw Anderson front kick Vitor in the face, and it was like the first time we'd ever seen that,
01:10:11.000we're like, this is crazy that the first kick ever that they teach you is now the new kick.
01:11:31.000Yeah, if you Google Shane Campbell toe stab, you'll probably see one of his fights right before he got in the UFC. But lots, I bet some of them are doing that.
01:11:40.000Now the ball of the foot we can penetrate pretty deep, but when they commit to like literally drilling it in, And it penetrates in and touches your organs.
01:11:49.000The thing that gets to me, though, is that I feel like I could kick through a door with a ball on my foot.
01:12:34.000Miletic and Frank Shamrock and these guys were like, okay, well, you were a wrestler and I was a striker and that's all these things.
01:12:41.000I just got to get really pretty good at all those things.
01:12:44.000That worked for a while, but now that everybody knows every single choice that you're making in every single position, we're just playing within these rules that we've kind of agreed on.
01:14:39.000I think he believed that his body – his mind and his goals were freer than his body was allowing him to be.
01:14:48.000That if he was truly mentally free to fight, that the thing that was stopping him was his physical movement limitations.
01:14:55.000And I really believe that's why he went and pursued that kind of open movement because we're not going to become any freer than in a peak performance state.
01:15:02.000So we have to free up our body if we're going to go further with this.
01:15:05.000Well, it makes sense if you look at what people...
01:15:08.000Well, George St. Pierre, in a lot of ways, was ahead of the curve with this because of his gymnastics approach.
01:15:13.000But really, the originator of this shit is Hickson.
01:15:17.000If you go back and watch Hickson, when Hickson was into the gymnastica natriale, he was into a lot of crazy yoga things, a lot of flexibility and balance things.
01:15:27.000He was into that way, way before anybody was.
01:15:32.000Building the body to do martial arts too in whatever ways you can figure and you were just saying it half an hour ago I don't know how long it's been that You tell jujitsu guys you got to get strong.
01:15:43.000Yeah, you know you identified that Hickson identified that all that long ago.
01:15:48.000He's like, okay We figured out how we're gonna move it now What about what can I do with my body to enhance that or take that further Eddie with his flexibility?
01:15:55.000Yes, well Hickson was always the best out of all the Gracie's he's widely regarded as the greatest jujitsu artist ever and So if you look at Hickson in comparison to all the other ones, like Hoist when he was fighting, what was so impressive about Hoist was that he wasn't a specimen.
01:16:09.000And he was just a regular guy who was in shape, obviously, but had really good technique.
01:16:14.000What Hickson is, is that really good technique with a freak athletic body.
01:16:19.000You know, a guy who can stand on a balance beam and do a full split holding onto his heel.
01:16:23.000I mean, he's really freakish in his ability to move his body.
01:16:27.000And physical strength was a huge factor in his ability as well.
01:16:31.000So if you look at Hicks in the old days in comparison to the other guys, you're seeing a much more physically robust guy.
01:18:19.000It's very difficult to describe it and compare it to something else because I don't think I've ever experienced anything like it other than maybe a state that you get into sometimes when you're doing like a sensory deprivation tank or I guess you would do if you were doing like heavy meditation.
01:19:28.000It's been proven that people can improve as much through visualization as they can from actual physical movement, as long as you actually commit to it.
01:19:35.000And, you know, don't be all fucking weird and, like, half-ass it.
01:19:39.000You have to think of it as if you're doing it.
01:19:42.000And if you can think of it as if you're doing it, your mind will take those same pathways.
01:19:46.000I know that guys have learned new jujitsu techniques that way.
01:19:49.000Like, you visualize yourself pulling them off, and then when you're training, they just come.
01:19:56.000That just shows you what your brain can do and why it is the most important part.
01:19:59.000I mean, by the time we've learned how to do everything, we're going to fight, and you're walking down there, and if you haven't prepared mentally, everything else was a waste of time.
01:20:09.000If you can't go in there and be in an optimum state, Free of worrying about the consequences.
01:20:14.000I need my win bonus or what if I lose this fight?
01:22:34.000But you're a guy who worked like crazy, prepared like crazy, made notes of the things that you did.
01:22:39.000When you can go back and look at your journal or your notes and see everything you've done in the day or afternoon of that fight, that stuff is fighting.
01:23:02.000When I went to meet Dana and Craig, I had that in my suitcase when I went down to meet them in Vegas because I look at that and it's like, right, I'm supposed to be here.
01:24:33.000That point could be months in advance.
01:24:38.000Then there's things that you've been watching and studying and looking at in full immersion.
01:24:42.000Things like, you know, this movement stuff that we're talking about or comparisons that you make of how people work against the cage and compare to another sport or all these ideas are all floating around.
01:26:34.000You know, so you've got to figure all that stuff out.
01:26:36.000But I think they figured out pretty quick.
01:26:37.000He's like, oh yeah, he just likes doing this stuff and he does a good job.
01:26:40.000Well, you're very, very committed to it.
01:26:43.000And if you were smart and you were running a business, and obviously the UFC is very smart, they'd look at a guy like you and they'd go, just tell him to do it.
01:27:42.000There was a channel that just had fights on all the time.
01:27:45.000How many times have you been flipping through the channel, bored, looking for something, and you go, well, I'll always go find something on the fight channel.
01:27:51.000Yeah, and I mean, in Canada, the timing was pretty good because George was a big star.
01:27:56.000Right now, in Ireland, fighting is the thing because Conor's over there.
01:31:11.000This is not kind of a pretty good jiu-jitsu guy.
01:31:14.000This is a vicious, violent guy who will happily stay on your guard until he caves your face in, until you overreact, and then he'll start passing, then he'll start abusing.
01:32:09.000One of them was Dos Anjos might be looking at this as, this is similar to the Pettis fight.
01:32:15.000And so what would you do different if you were Conor, if your job was to beat this guy?
01:32:22.000Pettis didn't move laterally very much because he's also really good at, and him and Duke and lots of people have been working on, as you back up, delivering with power.
01:32:32.000So back up, a lot of it has to do with the stomp of the back foot.
01:33:11.000One thing Dos Eños does really, the only thing that he, if you're looking at it and going, what one thing jumps out as less than perfect for this killer champion, and that he really telegraphs his punches.
01:33:34.000Did you see the video that somebody put together?
01:33:35.000It's like an animated GIF file of Aldo Chasing after Conor, Conor landing the left hand, and then the same exact movement by Dos Anjos, chasing after Pettis, or chasing after Donald, rather.
01:34:32.000I feel like the way I look at fights, the way I try to look at fights is I look at them like we're looking at mathematics.
01:34:38.000I'm looking at like there's an equation going on and one there's values and there's numbers in one side and there's values and numbers on the other side.
01:34:47.000What's fascinating to me about this fight is there's equations Where you have to factor in many things.
01:35:22.000There's many possible factors, but all these movements and interactions that they have, I think you can almost look at them like a mathematical exchange.
01:35:35.000Ed Shortfuse Herman, great guy, tough guy, very good fighter.
01:35:40.000You're never going to confuse him with Wonderboy Thompson when it comes to his footwork and his movement.
01:35:45.000If you looked at those two guys mathematically, you looked at them as an equation, you would go, this side is very lopsided in its movement.
01:35:53.000If you have $100 in one hand and $10 in the other hand, the $100 is worth more than $10.
01:36:03.000And all that prefacing it was coming to say that now that I've watched through the eye that I'm thinking it's Connor's eye watching him and his eye watching Connor, I see Dos Anos as...
01:36:17.000Being taken to the best level of what you can take guys who still are kind of sturdy.
01:36:23.000They still got that old version of strength, different, not sort of free and flowing.
01:36:51.000Like it's much more sort of labored and it's built around an old sturdy style of building a fighter.
01:37:00.000And Condit and McGregor and all these guys believe that the answer to that is not only mobility where we move our feet, but how we move through space.
01:37:10.000You know, Condit comes on weird angles and different things.
01:37:12.000And that's got to be what he's seeing.
01:37:15.000Whether that matters or not, it suddenly doesn't matter at all if he puts you on your back and caves your face in.
01:38:02.000It's when you're getting ripped in the face.
01:38:03.000But at the same time, it's also like the dude is just so aggressively violent.
01:38:09.000But whether it's McGregor is not at, in my opinion, yet, or we haven't seen it at the Dominic Cruz level, but Let's say that you and I have a really great fighter and somebody says, we'll give you guys a million dollars if you can have this guy beat Dominic Cruz in five years.
01:38:25.000If we start figuring out, trying to teach him the same movement as Dominic Cruz, the most we could hope for is him achieving Dominic Cruz five years earlier.
01:38:36.000You know, the five years of learning it, Dominic Cruz has improved for five years.
01:38:39.000We've got to figure out the answer to make it not about that.
01:38:44.000And that's what Conor and his people, I think, believe, is it will make it not about what he wants it to be about.
01:38:53.000Well, don't you think with a guy like Dominic Cruz, one of the reasons why Dominic has created that style is because he's not capable of putting a guy away with one shot.
01:39:00.000He's not that kind of Conor McGregor, one punch, death touch kind of a guy.
01:39:13.000They incorporate a lot of footwork, and Dominic's footwork is pretty fucking spectacular.
01:39:17.000I watched him, we were all just hanging around backstage one day, and he and Brian Stan and DC were talking, just joking around.
01:39:25.000And DC said, show me some of that footwork, Brian, or show me some of that footwork, Dominic.
01:39:32.000And he steps in with this shuffle and then sidestep, and I'm like, whoa!
01:39:37.000Like when you see him just playing around with someone standing in front of him, like Brian Stan was just standing there for him, and he's like...
01:40:33.000I mean, you watched him do it even while he was doing it with TJ. There's so many movements that he's capable of doing.
01:40:40.000There's so many different combinations of steps and exchanges, and you think he's stepping this way, and he switches stances, and he goes off to the left, and he knows you're going to step in.
01:42:07.000Yeah, you want a Barrett Yoshida, right?
01:42:09.000You want a little tiny guy that has just a laser-sharp technique, an Eddie Bravo, a Hoyler Gracie, you know, a small person who's just got fucking razor, the Mendez brothers.
01:42:32.000Whereas, like, if you find a big guy who's got gorilla jiu-jitsu and he fights a bigger gorilla, he gets fucked up.
01:42:38.000That's just what you said earlier when Hoist went into UFC 1 because they knew it would be that much more amazing if the little dude did it.
01:45:20.000So when you're 20, Cashews are not worth going blind over, man.
01:45:25.000And so when you're 20, and you say, I'm going to be a cashew farmer, you're doing it with the knowledge that you're going to be blind one day.
01:45:32.000Full knowledge, because you've known your grandfather, you knew an uncle, there's just a certain percentage of people.
01:45:38.000And they do it because at the end, they will provide for their family, it's a good career, you will take care of your kids, and they do it knowing.
01:46:25.000Please don't tell me that that's a myth.
01:46:27.000I didn't see anything about blindness, but blood cashews are coming up, and the way that they farm them and get them deshelled is pretty bad, and it causes people intense pain because there's some sort of...
01:46:38.000A liquid that comes out of them when you pull the shell.
01:46:41.000Apparently it's a chemical that's used, and I don't know.
01:46:43.000I don't even know what a cashew shell looks like.
01:47:10.000It looks like some sort of a weird, crazy squash.
01:47:13.000But if you decide you're going to go farm that stuff, and you know what the outcome is, and you do it anyways, you chose to do that for whatever your reasons are.
01:47:21.000So you're not finding anything on cashews causing blindness?
01:47:33.000But then again, then they don't have any money, so what the fuck do you do?
01:47:36.000Yeah, fighting is also, some people can get away with it.
01:47:42.000Bas Rutten, who was here on Wednesday, obviously former UFC heavyweight champion, one of the greats, one of the real pioneers of the game, sharp as a tack.
01:48:43.000Overall, I got out of it pretty unscathed, but it's because I stopped fighting when I was 22. I realized at that age, I was like, I'm already getting headaches.
01:50:10.000Oh yeah, he was a southpaw and I took a crazy straight left or two from him and then immediately something was different.
01:50:17.000And then I started slipping it and hitting with my left hook and I was happy.
01:50:21.000There's moments in fighting where, you know, you find out you're just not, I'm not like Chris Weidman, you know, that's just the truth.
01:50:28.000But then there's moments in a fight or in sparring where you're like very proud, like when threatened with danger, my answer was to fucking hit it back as hard as I could.
01:50:37.000So I got through the round or rounds and then I just had a headache.
01:51:25.000But then after that sparring, the rest of the...
01:51:29.000I didn't really train anymore, and then he gave me a ride back, and the rest of the day, even the ring announcer, I think I was probably behaving very strangely during it.
01:51:37.000And I don't remember that day super well, other than telling that pretty girl that I couldn't hang out with her because my head hurt so much.
01:51:44.000I remember the rest of the round, though, and I got a concussion in the first couple shots of my first fight, too, and I fought until about the middle of the second round, and I knew I was different.
01:51:55.000But it's cool in a weird way that you go and keep fighting.
01:52:00.000Because now I understand it when I commentate or when I'm analyzing it.
01:52:03.000I've had that experience, and that's why I fought, was to have that understanding.
01:52:07.000But I know what it is to fight with a concussion or spar with a concussion, and you see that guys do it.
01:52:13.000They're hurt in round one, and they'll fight all the way through, sometimes win.
01:52:16.000I wonder what, if anything, they're gonna figure out in the future to mitigate some of the problems with head impacts.
01:52:23.000You know, whether it's gonna be something with stem cells or some sort of a new method of rehabilitating and healing people.
01:52:30.000It's so depressing to me to watch this incredible Problem-solving at its highest level event like MMA or like boxing or kickboxing or anything along those lines.
01:53:04.000I know a guy back when I was a young kid who got kicked in the head, and the doctor told him, I don't want you to ever do combat sports again.
01:53:13.000I don't want you to ever do contact sports again.
01:53:36.000You don't know what the answer is because there isn't really one now other than you can't spar with big guys like that and do it because it's fun and it's fun to fight.
01:53:48.000And most guys aren't doing that, or many guys are not doing that as much.
01:53:51.000But it's, you know, this is, to me, when you get the chance to have people who have trained their whole lives to help us have an experiment in combat right now in front of all of us, that is such a beautiful and wonderful thing in humanity.
01:55:46.000As we're getting away from the bodybuilder, wrestler, weight, it's a part of that prototype of fighter, and that prototype of fighter is going to keep getting beaten now that we have new answers to him.
01:55:58.000And I think as that fighter changes, that weight cutting is a part of that prototype.
01:56:03.000Well, also USADA and the IV ban, that's a big issue.
01:56:06.000As soon as they started banning the IVs, you saw people's bodyweights lowering because they realized they couldn't make that big, crazy 25-pound cut in a couple days and rehabilitate enough or rehydrate enough, rather, to be able to fight 24 hours later.
01:57:22.000Well, it's interesting, too, because when you watch guys that were competing in pride and were looking amazing, and then you see them when they got over to the UFC, and they weren't nearly as good, you have to think one of two things happened.
01:57:33.000Either they took so much punishment in pride that they never really fully recovered, which is absolutely possible, or they were on some shit.
01:58:04.000And when they crash, like, you know, TRT Vitor and dad bod Vitor is not like, you know, in theory, if you had to take TRT because you had no or very little testosterone, well, now that you're off it, you're going to be dad bod Vitor.
01:58:19.000When I saw that, and it was, you know what, I was really happy for Vitor to...
01:58:24.000Not look like the Incredible Hulk and still win.
01:58:47.000The future holds as far as testing for performance-enhancing drugs, but I've got to imagine that they're closing in to the point where there's almost no wiggle room.
01:58:56.000And these guys are getting popped that never got popped before, like when Gleason got popped.
01:59:00.000And everybody's like, wow, who fucking saw that coming?
02:02:29.000So he's gonna fight Fedor and Ryzen, so he will have violated his ban, so that it will essentially keep him out of fighting in the United States forever.
02:02:38.000I mean, that's a sneaky thing they did right there.
02:02:40.000A lot of people aren't pointing that out.
02:02:42.000Like, they kept that guy on the shelf.
02:02:49.000Then, coincidentally, right after the guy gets a big fight, he's gonna fight in August in Ryzen, and then immediately they hit him with his three-year.
02:02:58.000And I think he's only 17 months in for the original suspension from the time where they caught him to today.
02:04:34.000And then somewhere between injecting some jailness in there and a few other things, suddenly the audience was negative against Vanderlei for some length of time.
02:05:32.000One of the reasons I wanted to fight and wanted to learn more about fighting, and one of the things that pointed me to start pursuing this was Uriah Faber, Mark Hominick, these little guys that fought.
02:05:43.000I admired them, wanted to be like them.
02:06:44.000He caught Dominic with a guillotine in their first fight, and I wonder, like, what's...
02:06:48.000I mean, having the knowledge of having faced Dominic not just once, but twice, and especially the second time, he knocked him down a couple of times.
02:07:44.000Priority number one, and maybe even, you know, concentrate on switching stances quite a bit because Dominic will switch stances quite a bit.
02:07:50.000And if Uriah could switch stances and throw the power back leg kick from the southpaw position and from orthodox, you know, that would open up those kicks and work on those combinations when Dominic is switching.
02:08:02.000Work on also going across the top of the thigh if he's not in the right position to throw the outside leg kick.
02:08:07.000If you were ordinarily going to inside, throw it like an outside, but go across, take that right step and go across the top of the thighs.
02:08:47.000He's making grand movements, but if we keep our headlights lined up and we're working at angles, We make small steps and small adjustments to keep him in the headlights.
02:08:57.000Then when he goes to flee outside of there, quite simply, the right kick is the barrier that way, and the left kick is the barrier that way, and we kind of shoehorn him into our headlights as best as we can.
02:09:08.000Faber's never really used leg kicks that way, but sure as fuck sounds like a great idea.
02:09:13.000If we can just keep them in those headlights, and as he goes to flee, that extra weapon of the leg starts to...
02:09:19.000If our headlights are a certain width, the leg becomes the barrier to keep him in there.
02:09:31.000It wouldn't happen, because now that he's with TJ, and they've said so much bad shit about each other, and I don't think it would, but it is too bad.
02:11:36.000He used, instead of that being, well, two years down the tubes, it was like, two years I'm going to gain other skills and other applicable skills, and it made him way better.
02:11:46.000He's way better because he had that surgery, you know, than if he just was in the gym and he never was forced to take that time.
02:11:53.000And he's one of my favorite analysts, the way he breaks down fights, especially when it comes to making mistakes and striking, leaving yourself open to get hit.
02:12:46.000He's putting it together in a really clear, obvious manner, and you don't have to enjoy his personality in order to appreciate the brilliance of what he's saying.
02:12:56.000But I like his personality, and I think he's a super smart, articulate guy.
02:13:00.000We did a little bit of commentary together.
02:13:04.000I really enjoyed, like, being able to bounce ideas off of him and ask questions.
02:13:08.000And I would like to do that with a bunch of different kind of fighters, too, because guys who aren't like him, maybe like a Damian Maia.
02:13:14.000Like, one of my favorite, when Damian Maia fought, Neil Magny.
02:13:20.000I couldn't wait to interview him because I wanted to know what adjustments he was making when he couldn't tap him from his back and then he eventually did get it.
02:13:27.000And he was explaining to me how he saw that he was defending on one side so he started turning him towards the other side and setting him up to defend on that side so he could catch him on the other side.
02:15:39.000Like, when you, we're trying to figure out, you know, how CM Punk is going to fight.
02:15:43.000And I'll talk to people who've never trained or never studied training or whatever.
02:15:47.000They're like, well, he could be pretty good.
02:15:48.000It's like, I can tell you exactly how good you can be at this stage.
02:15:52.000Because if you look at the very best people you've ever watched, trained with the best coaches at 18 months, this is maybe what they're capable of.
02:16:26.000And if you learn enough, eventually you get conscious incompetence where you're like, I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about, but at least I know that so I can start learning some shit.
02:16:35.000Then you'll get conscious competence where you're like, yeah, I'm pretty good.
02:16:58.000He's a driven guy who believes you can achieve what you put your mind to and you work really hard.
02:17:03.000He just was unconsciously incompetent.
02:17:05.000He didn't have enough knowledge to know how much could be acquired, what he might be capable of if he worked harder than anyone had ever worked in his life for 18 months.
02:17:13.000He didn't understand how low that would be.
02:17:19.000If you have no background in combat sports at all and you're 36 years old and you think you're going to fight in the UFC in a year, that's almost insulting.
02:17:42.000I know he probably really loves fighting.
02:17:44.000He just didn't know how shitty was the maximum he could get at this stage.
02:17:50.000And that level of shittiness is not good enough to ever fight in the UFC. Never mind debut in the UFC. It's also, I don't think he's that much of an athlete.
02:18:13.000I mean, I obviously had seen some videos of him in WWE doing some spectacular shit.
02:18:19.000He's a physical specimen beyond compare, right?
02:18:23.000But when I saw him fight in K-1, I was in LA when they fought, and he fought some Japanese gentleman, took him down, just smashed him.
02:18:31.000I remember thinking, good luck keeping that motherfucker off you.
02:18:34.000That's a totally different kind of a thing with this CM Punk guy what you guys a good-looking guy who speaks well It's got a lot of charisma and that led him to the top in wrestling But if you watch his wrestling moves like there's nothing there's nothing ridiculous about it.
02:18:50.000You look at his body There's nothing ridiculous about his body.
02:18:53.000He's not doing anything out of the ordinary He just didn't understand how little knowledge and skill could be acquired in the time that he was going to look at it.
02:20:32.000But even that, I mean, two years, the reality is, unless you're 20 years old, two years is not really a lot of time to get prepared for something.
02:20:39.000If you're a 20-year-old guy, you can watch somebody who's a blue belt at 20 years, and then in two years, they're a black belt.
02:20:46.000If you're obsessed, if you're a fucking maniac, if you're a real nut, if you're some BJ Penn when he was in his prime, but...
02:20:53.000You know, this guy probably likes pussy, he likes to eat, he's got bills, he's got taxes he pays, he's probably got media obligations.
02:21:00.000It ain't that easy to become a complete fucking obsessed freak.
02:21:06.000And then again, the whole thing is like, athletically, his body did not develop to explode.
02:21:11.000I have a good buddy of mine who's very good at jujitsu, and I brought him to a boxing gym once, and the guy was holding pads for him, and I was like, oh my god.
02:21:20.000Watching him hit pads, I was like, fucking crazy.
02:22:24.000But, you know, it's, hey, man, if this guy was still wrestling and he loved fighting, was talking about it, was fighting on a small scale, Batista fought, and he had a great fight.
02:22:34.000It was a really good fight for a guy who's only been training for a while.
02:23:05.000But he does a lot of work down at Westside Barbell with Louie Simmons, who created the Reverse Hyper, a machine that we have in the back here.
02:23:14.000And I bought one specifically because I knew that Louie had designed it because they were trying to get him to have back surgery and he wasn't buying it.
02:23:21.000And he was like, there's got to be a way, if there's a way to compress the disc to make it bulge out like that, there's got to be a way to decompress the disc actively and strengthen the area.
02:23:29.000So he created that reverse hyper machine.
02:23:31.000And, you know, to see this guy go straight to back surgery like that, when just a few days before that, he was standing there talking to that Mickey Gall kid.
02:24:16.000Why don't you come out and have a long, interesting conversation with somebody, someone you know, Ariel's his friend, and say, listen, I went and I explored this for a long time.
02:24:25.000I found some incredible things in fighting.
02:25:06.000I don't think that a year is nearly enough time to fight in the UFC. I think that's preposterous.
02:25:12.000But I think anybody could fight at a commensurate level.
02:25:15.000If you could find someone who is at your level, who's been training as long as you have, and have an amateur fight, there's absolutely nothing wrong with not being the best in the world, or not being at a world championship or a world-class UFC level.
02:25:32.000I think what insults a lot of people is that he jumped right into the UFC and he did so because, not just because he has notoriety and when he was younger he was a boxing champion or a wrestling champion like Brock was, NCAA national champion.
02:25:46.000I mean you gotta look at Brock and go, hey man, maybe the guy can actually do it.
02:25:50.000With him, you never wrestled in high school.
02:27:00.000Matt Hume's cruising around the world, knows everything about fighting, fought himself, researched his study, loved the martial arts, pursuing it, looking for all the truths of martial arts.
02:28:51.000And inevitably, you end up at a mental thing and then philosophy.
02:28:54.000The study of martial arts ends up somewhere the study of philosophy, how to live your life, how to learn, how to improve, how to become better in being a human being, not just in kickboxing.
02:29:05.000Like, that inevitable result, if you stay on the martial arts path long enough, inevitably you end up, how can I be a better person?
02:29:11.000Like, how can I get better at being a human being?
02:29:14.000Well, you find that those things are part of what trips people up.
02:29:18.000You know, Part of what trips you up in anything you do is if you have personality flaws.
02:29:24.000If you create problems in relationships and in interrelationship conflict, problems with friends, problem with wife or girlfriend or what have you, those things that make you a bad neighbor will also make you a bad fighter.
02:29:40.000Because they get in your way, and you realize you've created this unnecessary...
02:29:44.000You yelled at your fucking neighbor for no reason because there's dog shit in your lawn or whatever the fuck it is.
02:29:48.000You created a problem that didn't need to be there, and now you've got extra friction and conflict in your life that's unnecessary.
02:29:56.000Instead of creating some sort of a positive bond by being a really good person.
02:30:02.000Again, no one's perfect, but you learn somewhere along those lines...
02:30:06.000Okay, if I just approach this in a better, more friendly, more open, more nice, and then I get this positive reward out of that, and then I realize that's the path.
02:30:17.000The path is to try to be a better person.
02:30:19.000The path is to try to have more character.
02:30:21.000The path is to try to be a better friend, to be a better training partner, to make sure that you are pushing your friend towards victory.
02:30:33.000You're not trying to kick his ass because you know he's tired.
02:30:38.000When they run a gauntlet, having a guy that is going to wear you out but is not going to fuck you up because he knows he can, because he knows you're tired, because you just ran with three other guys before.
02:30:47.000One thing used to drive me crazy where I would be training and I would be exhausted and I would see a guy sitting down waiting, taking the time off of training, not training that round, and then as soon as this round is done, he tries to jump on you.
02:31:59.000One of them, he never got to the UFC and he's probably close to 40 now, Adrian Woolley.
02:32:03.000And he was like the best 125 ever going.
02:32:06.000And when I would go and I had a fight coming up, I wanted some rounds with Woolley.
02:32:10.000And the reason I wanted them was one, he would push you really hard.
02:32:14.000But two, he hurt me one time and he's very aggressive.
02:32:17.000And he hurt me one time and my leg wobbled.
02:32:19.000And as I circled, I saw him take the time to let me recover.
02:32:24.000And that's literally the perfect training partner.
02:32:27.000You want him to push you so hard, as close to a fight as you can handle right now, and understand what you can handle, but not take you past that point of what you can handle.
02:34:05.000Jordan wants to be rich and Jordan wants to be successful in life in some of those ways, and at least he's told me that.
02:34:11.000And he didn't say anything about pay or any of that stuff, but it was like he's right at the top and he's not becoming wealthy enough for what he's doing.
02:34:29.000But a guy like him is like, you know, I didn't have as much sex in high school as a lot of other guys did because I was training all the time.
02:34:35.000You know, I didn't go on fishing trips as much as other guys because I was training all the time.
02:34:39.000You know, drinking beer on Saturdays is really fun.
02:34:45.000And man, having the guts, the smartness to identify and the guts to quit something, we all as a society think that, like, don't quit anything.
02:36:42.000We talked about it, and he talked with other people about it.
02:36:45.000It's like, could I fight different ways?
02:36:47.000Yes, but he likes fighting like a caveman, and fighting like a caveman will result in brain damage.
02:36:53.000He got knocked out by Marlon Sandro in Sengoku.
02:36:59.000And then he said, after he recovered from that one, he said, you know, if I ever get another concussion, I'm going to retire.
02:37:04.000And then after the last fight he had, he had a broken orbital bone, and he thought, why am I waiting until after I've sustained the damage to step away?
02:37:14.000Why am I saying, it's okay to take one more large amount of damage?
02:37:17.000If I'm going to step away, let's just go.
02:37:29.000And he's a guy who's using an example of someone who's very wise in recognizing the risk versus reward and realizing the reward's not worth it anymore.
02:37:38.000And there's going to come a time for all these guys.
02:37:41.000They have to decide, like, when is it over?
02:37:44.000You know, when we were talking about the pursuit, like...
02:37:48.000Getting after something and being obsessed with something and wanting greatness.
02:37:52.000There comes a time where that's no longer in your mind and you're still on this path because it's something you've always done.
02:38:00.000Because you've been a fighter for X amount of years and so this is what you're doing.
02:38:03.000You're going into training camp but you don't have that fire inside you like you did when you first started or when you were improving or when you were at your best.
02:38:30.000He wrote an article about how his passion and desire to get back to fighting, and everyone told him he shouldn't, but it's just in him he needs that.
02:38:48.000So just having that does not mean go fight because you'll always have that.
02:38:52.000It's one of many pieces of a pie chart that you have to have in place.
02:38:56.000Yes, but if you're going to have it your whole life, it's irrelevant whether you have it or not because you know you have it and one day you're going to have to retire even though you have it.
02:39:03.000So that can't be a part of the decision process.
02:39:06.000I think you probably didn't see that Rocky movie when Rocky was like 59 and he decided, you know, just thinking about maybe having a fight.
02:42:26.000I just feel like sometimes when we say these things, and I do it all the time, I'm guilty of it as charged, but it's almost like you're yelling out into the abyss.
02:43:13.000And people only want one or the other.
02:43:17.000There's gray areas in everything in the world.
02:43:19.000And the gray area is where the beauty is.
02:43:21.000It's where the interesting, fascinating shit is.
02:43:23.000And where our culture is making it so that we don't look there.
02:43:27.000Because of that swipe, though, is why a real winner like Conor is so spectacular.
02:43:32.000Because with the amount of scrutiny, with the amount of pressure that's on him to still perform the way he did and win in 13 seconds by knockout, then you are the hero.
02:43:42.000And then that's also why people were shitting on Aldo after that fight so badly.
02:45:02.000And what three guys sitting at the side think doesn't take anything away from the 25-minute brilliant experience that he had that will affect him positively for the rest of his life.
02:45:25.000And what made him such a great fighter would make him greater than anything he chooses to do.
02:45:30.000And I think he's got a realistic perception of how much longer his body can go through those kind of training camps and those kind of fights.
02:45:45.000He said, you know, it was such a great experience for him.
02:45:48.000He gave me one of the great quotes when I was trying to figure out more about fighting, and it was actually relevant to what we're saying about Dominic Cruz and you're talking about, we showed the footwork drills and how he moves.
02:45:58.000And I asked Condit because he's like that and he's very special.
02:46:02.000And I said, when you're doing that, when you go into a fight, are you working with pre-planned sequences?
02:46:09.000So you'll run sequence A twice or three times on Robbie and when he starts reacting to sequence A, you'll trick him with sequence B. Are you running these things?
02:47:29.000So friends who know me or people who follow our channel know that.
02:47:34.000So when I say I think Bisping's going to win, they think I'm just still playing that.
02:47:37.000But I do probably think that when we picture Anderson Silva, we're picturing him in there against Forrest in the greatest moments.
02:47:44.000And that's not what I expect him to be.
02:47:47.000I don't expect him to be like that anymore.
02:47:50.000The fact that he was one of the greatest fighters of all time and brilliant and beautiful to watch and did incredible things, that's not diminished in any way.
02:47:57.000Yeah, but what's fucked up is that wasn't that long ago.
02:48:00.000What's really crazy about him was Stefan Bonner was like, what was that, 2013?
02:48:05.000Yeah, 12 or 13. So four years ago, he was the wizard.
02:49:36.000And just because I played, picked against him for a comedy, I don't want my friends of ours or people who watch Fight Network to think I don't like Anderson Silva.