Action Bronson is a rapper and host of the new Vice TV show, Fucking That s Delicious. He is also the host of Vice TV's new show, Fucking Delicious, and has a new TV show coming on Viceland. In this episode, we talk about how he got his start as a rapper, how he became a TV host, and what it's like to be the first black person in America to get his own TV show on Vice. We also talk about the new Viceland show that's coming on March 3rd called Viceland, and how he plans to make a career out of it. He also talks about why he doesn t care if people like Kanye West like him or not, and why he thinks he should be put in a box, because he's the only person who can do what he does. And he talks about his plans for the future of the show and how it s going to change the way we watch TV. Thanks for listening to Action Bronson! I hope you enjoy this episode and enjoy the episode! -Tune in next week for the next episode of the podcast! xoxo -Jon Sorrentino and Nicki Minaj Music: "Fucking That's Delicious" by The Chainsmokers and "Goodbye Outer Space" by KRS-One (feat. Adam Levine & "I'm Too Effing Highlighted" by Fucking Goodfellas DJ Semtex is out of New York, New York City, NY, NY . Artwork by Jeffree Star Produced by Jeff Kaale ( ) by Jeff Perla ( ) Music: , "Good Morning America and Mike McLennan ( ) is out in Los Angeles, PA Thanks to: ( ) and in Chicago, Chicago, ( ) & for the from Chicago, PA ( ) & ( ), @ ( ) . (Music: & ( ) in Chicago ( ) ( ( . and ) and ( ) , , ( / on ) & ( , & ) ( ) - ) is a production by via Thank you, // ( // ? + ),
00:02:14.000In the future, things like what you're getting on Vice.com or these YouTube pages, you can do your own show like that, and it can get gigantic.
00:02:25.000It can get almost bigger than it could ever get on TV, because you can download it and watch it anytime you want.
00:02:31.000Well, that's the issue I'm having right now, because we've become such a global show that We're now on Vice's television network that is about to start on March 3rd.
00:02:41.000I mean on February 29th called Viceland.
00:02:45.000I have some quarrels about it, to tell you the truth, because it's only going to be in North America.
00:02:51.000And, I mean, people are going to get what they want.
00:02:54.000So, obviously, they're going to download it, tour it, whatever they're going to do.
00:02:58.000But it's necessary for it to be on YouTube.
00:03:01.000I stress that with every video that I ever do, it is totally necessary to be on YouTube because everyone needs access to it.
00:03:43.000Well, between that and Netflix and Hulu and all these different online providers, Where you can access it super easy now on your television.
00:03:52.000And especially if you have one of those Apple TVs.
00:06:25.000Yeah, it's insane to think that they figured out how to put sound on a black plastic disc that made it so awesome.
00:06:35.000And they figured out how to do that when we were apes, you know?
00:06:39.000I mean, people were, like, in comparison to today, like, the amount of technology they had then, this is like the early 1800s they figured out how to do that, right?
00:06:47.000Like, what year was it they invented the phonograph record player?
00:06:51.000Remember they used to have that big hoop?
00:09:39.000It's mastered to be heard through those little two earbuds, not through a giant sound system at home, through giant speakers with subwoofers and whatnot.
00:10:08.000If you're driving around with earplugs on and you're blasting music, it's kind of a douche move.
00:10:14.000If it's so bad it hurts your ears, you have to put earplugs in?
00:10:16.000There's this guy in my neighborhood that just drives around every Sunday in a piece of shit Cadillac with a bow on the front, playing all types of Frankie Valli at the loudest volume that could possibly be and just singing along.
00:10:59.000If you sit in the back seat where the subwoofer is, It feels like it's coming through your chest, like your fucking heart is about to explode with that bass.
00:21:23.000That's an insane amount of space he's covering when he lands on that edge.
00:21:28.000Like, that kid, he must be like, I mean, I don't know how much he weighs, but he must be insanely strong for his weight, and he can just throw his body through the air like that.
00:21:38.000He must have just a ridiculous explosion out of his legs.
00:21:47.000I guess it's those things, like if you just concentrate on only doing that, you can do it in a way that doesn't make sense to someone like you, or me, or, you know...
00:23:22.000See, I guess hockey would be the reason to do it.
00:23:26.000Like, if you wanted to learn how to play hockey.
00:23:28.000Well, I'm saying you pretend you're doing hockey moves, you know, like you're on the ice, snowing, when you're stopping, you throw the snow at people, you know the shh.
00:25:30.000If they did it in 92, I didn't move here until 94, and I know that I got it when I was living in Encino, because I remember popping it in when a friend came over.
00:25:45.000I don't remember how I got the tape, but I remember somebody gave it to me and said, you got to watch this, and then I remember popping it in a VCR for my friend.
00:28:42.000When I was like 18, I went to culinary school and fucked off after that for about a year and a half or two and had a child and went back into the kitchen to start working and that was just it.
00:28:56.000I thought I was just going to be a fucking short order cook or a chef or whatever for the rest of my life.
00:29:01.000Out of nowhere, I broke my leg, just slipped on the floor, broke my leg.
00:29:07.000I was working a little bit with music before that, but not in any capacity where I thought it would be where I am now.
00:29:41.000That's so interesting how something like that can happen or something that looks like a bad thing that happened to you turned into like this amazing door that opened up.
00:30:13.000I went down here to do some sort of exhibition with Mario Batali, but he was in no condition to do anything with me that day, so I ended up just hanging out pretty much at the beach the whole time.
00:30:24.000Oh, so you were supposed to hang out with Mario and he got fucked up?
00:31:32.000The world of chefs is a very different world.
00:31:35.000And when I was younger, I didn't really appreciate it as an art form.
00:31:39.000I think I just thought of it as more like just a cool thing that someone knows how to make really good food because you can go to that restaurant and you can get it there.
00:31:50.000I didn't think of who is the creator of that food and what is that.
00:32:12.000Today's chefs are, you know, young, crazy, tattooed motherfuckers.
00:32:18.000You can't really call who's the chef, you know, but a classic chef is usually the French guy with the handkerchief around his neck and the big hat.
00:32:32.000I think a lot of it's because of Bourdain's show.
00:32:34.000They've definitely become more highlighted in that regard.
00:32:37.000In his show, he's always interviewing these weird, funky people in Portland that are raising their own chickens and shit, and farm-to-table type restaurants.
00:32:47.000He'll hang out with a lot of weird, experimental chef people, and a lot of them look like you.
00:32:55.000He definitely opened the door for a lot of people, but I feel like the celebrity chef started with Emeril Lagasse and people like that, like earlier with like...
00:36:09.000I was like 22 years old, 23 years old.
00:36:13.000But it was probably because of the steroids.
00:36:15.000Well, doing a show like this where you're traveling around the world and you're eating all that food, I would imagine, man, it would be super easy to just get lazy.
00:36:23.000Bro, I just literally lost 50 pounds and I just gained another 20. So my whole life is fluctuation.
00:36:30.000I just need to get to that point where I need to...
00:36:33.000Get past that fluctuating point and just go down and start seeing all these fucking abs that I have under there.
00:38:55.000It's amazing how many of those science projects exist, though.
00:38:59.000I mean, that's what all those magazines are.
00:39:01.000It's the weirdest conspiracy, and it is a conspiracy, that all those, like, if you're looking at those bodybuilding magazines and shit, that none of them, like, I don't know, maybe they do now, but back in the day, none of them were talking about how they did steroids.
00:39:20.000But they were also talking about, like, you know, I take creatine from, you know, Muscle Dick Hard Corporation, and this creatine is guaranteed to pack on 30 pounds of mass, and they were all, like, pretending that they got all that muscle from some stuff that,
00:41:35.000So much so that one time he went up on stage, he had a golf shirt on, like an alligator shirt, and he came off stage and I pulled him aside and said, dude, listen to me, you can't go on stage with short sleeve shirts.
00:42:47.000Well, I think if you do decide to do something like that, I think what you're saying is what's really the true thing that a lot of people are trying to avoid when it comes to losing weight or changing your life...
00:48:33.000You gotta, you know, you have to eat a lot more than the average person.
00:48:36.000But for the average person, the average person that's, like, reasonably athletic, your body doesn't really want to process all that extra protein.
00:48:43.000And what it really needs to burn is fats.
00:49:15.000Probiotics, gut bacteria, and just the amount of different things that you eat.
00:49:21.000There's certain types of gut bacteria that thrive off of unhealthy food.
00:49:26.000And if you're eating a lot of sugars, apparently what they're saying is that there's different types of gut bacteria that crave that sugar.
00:49:33.000And so when you haven't had it in a while, that gut bacteria, even if you're full, you might have had like pot roast and mashed potatoes and vegetables and it was like nothing fucked up at all, right?
00:49:44.000You eat that and your body's like, hey asshole, where's the sugar?
00:50:39.000Every time I've ever attempted to lose weight, it was like I did that Atkins diet back in the day, but it felt like I'm eating eggs and sausage and all this nasty shit and still losing weight.
00:51:00.000And then you feel shittier than you did because you gained all that weight and you ate all that disgusting stuff that's gotta be sticking to you somewhere, right?
00:51:08.000Well, it's just hard for your body to process.
00:58:34.000Yeah, she's into holistic medicine and healing through psychedelics.
00:58:38.000There's a lot of people that are involved in that now, including MAPS, the, I don't know what it is, Multidisciplinary Association or something, Psychedelic Studies.
00:58:50.000Oh, they've made some massive strides in getting...
00:58:54.000Trying to get therapeutic use of MDMA for soldiers and other people suffering from PTSD. And they're showing all these applied uses of really excellent compounds that have been demonized.
00:59:12.000And because they've been demonized, people that could really use them.
00:59:56.000You can have incredible experiences on them.
01:00:00.000And the fact that we are not allowed to, and that we have to worry about someone locking us in a cage, if we're doing some shit that's not hurting anybody, it's not even hurting you.
01:01:12.000He asks, how many mushrooms do I have to eat before I overdose?
01:01:18.000Using the data for rats and accepting a median of 1% potency, it would require the consumption of 1,680 grams of mushrooms to reach the LD50 for a 60 kilogram rat.
01:05:10.000I was on this ranch in California, and they have a ground squirrel problem, and we're driving down this road, and as we're driving down this road, you're watching these little tiny creatures pop their head out of the ground, run across, and jump into another hole.
01:05:40.000They say there's so many ground squirrels that the biomass of these things is like a biomass of a giant herd of cattle or something like that.
01:06:28.000I'd be going, Jesus, look at all these rats!
01:06:31.000If you were driving down New York City and that's what you saw with rats, just popping up and running across, popping in the hole, everybody would be like, let's get the fuck out of here!
01:07:25.000I mean, if you have a domesticated animal and it grows up with you in its care for its entire life, then you become like family, you know, just like a dog or a cat.
01:07:34.000But if you've ever been around a feral cat and you've ever been around a feral dog, like, ooh, that can be really scary.
01:07:42.000I had a cat that I... My mother rescued a cat when I was younger.
01:13:34.000Well, there's a Swiss, I think there's a Swiss wildlife photographer named Carl Armand, and he took some photos of them with a camera trap.
01:13:43.000Put up a photo, camera trap, Bondo ape.
01:13:47.000I think I'm saying his name right, Carl Armand.
01:16:35.000You can never find everything that's there.
01:16:37.000But this one area where this thing lives is, of course, they're probably, like, making cell phones out of there or something like that, pulling minerals out of the ground that they need for, you know, the iWatch or something.
01:20:06.000It's like, I don't believe that you really can tell how intelligent someone is if you look into their eyes, but I do believe you can see when something's dumb as fuck.
01:20:21.000Like, you can't tell looking at somebody how smart they are, but you can definitely tell looking at that thing there's not a whole lot going on.
01:22:42.000But what year do you think monkeys started figuring out how to start using weapons and shit?
01:22:49.000Like, what year was it that they figured out, like, the very first subhuman hominid that was smart as fuck that was figuring out how to, like, make a weapon?
01:23:00.000It would have to have been them picking up some sort of branch or some sort of rock and throwing it.
01:24:49.000I think it's totally possible that something could get way smarter than us and can travel from some other place.
01:24:57.000It's also totally possible that it's never happened yet.
01:25:01.000It's totally possible that people are just full of shit.
01:25:04.000It's also totally possible that our experience on Earth has been broken up a bunch of times by huge disasters.
01:25:11.000And I think that this is one of those things that this guy Graham Hancock is trying to prove and is doing a fantastic job of sort of documenting the way he describes it, that we're a civilization with amnesia.
01:25:24.000It's really interesting stuff, man, because he's saying essentially what probably happened was human beings invented a bunch of really cool shit, developed a bunch of great technology, had made sophisticated societies and cultures, and then BOOM! Boom!
01:25:40.000A fucking rock from the sky comes down.
01:26:08.000They think that that's what happened, that 10,000 to 12,000 years ago, all of Europe was pelted with rocks.
01:26:17.000It's fucking nuts and that people had to start over after that and that all of our stories about Cataclysms and you know the Noah and the ark and all that shit about keeping keeping societies alive Whether it's like the epic of Gilgamesh all these different stories that are real similar real similar tale of someone like trying to keep humanity alive in the face of this chaotic Disaster all of those represent the same stories all those represents the things that ended the fucking ice age and Rocks from the
01:27:51.000Through my lyrics and through seeing me and getting to know me on that type of level where you almost feel like you know me, people feel like they need to show me the right way in their city.
01:28:22.000Well, once you start doing a show like this, then people start hearing about it, then, you know, you get all the people that are contacting you with great suggestions, and it sort of makes itself, like, you figure a chart just based on all these people trying to get you to go to their spots, right?
01:28:36.000Yeah, well, you know, a lot of it is organic, though.
01:28:38.000People are genuinely fans of the music and genuinely fans of the show.
01:31:12.000Is there any chance Donald Trump's trolling in some sort of performance piece for like a movie?
01:31:17.000I think Donald Trump is a guy who has full belief in his ability to run this country.
01:31:26.000Whether or not he can actually run the country, I don't think it's an act.
01:31:31.000I think he has full belief that he can do it.
01:31:34.000It is bizarre to see because it's freaking people out.
01:31:39.000I think one of the more fascinating things about this election is how people are so freaked out that he's pretty much in command right now.
01:31:47.000There's thoughts, there's like panic that he could, that there's a possibility he could be the president.
01:32:33.000When people look for someone to be president, whether it's rational or not, they look towards someone who they think is going to be a leader.
01:32:46.000If you fuck up, you get the crying Jordan face.
01:32:49.000People look towards someone that they want to be a leader, and the problem with Donald Trump He said a bunch of ridiculous stuff about, like, Mexicans and some stuff that, like, not measured stuff about Muslims coming into this country.
01:33:07.000Not measured and rational and, you know, it was way too show-busy, you know?
01:33:16.000If you fuck with the Mexicans, they will shut the country down.
01:33:31.000We're not having a lot of problems with Mexicans.
01:33:34.000This idea that Mexicans are causing all these problems, if they were really causing that many problems, we would have a lot more problems, because there's a lot of Mexicans.
01:33:43.000All they ever do, they just want to come over to the country so they can make money to send home to their family.
01:33:48.000I worked with guys that literally slept in shithole rooms just so they could send their salary at $300, $400 from washing dishes all fucking week back home for their family.
01:34:00.000And these are the people that you want to keep out of the country?
01:34:04.000Like, the honest working man riding his bike back and forth to work every day in the fucking snow, the rain, whatever, you know?
01:34:55.000These people, because they're more poor and because they got stuck in this one spot, they should be trapped there forever, even though it's connected to us by dirt.
01:35:08.000I mean, there's like a clear path between us and Mexico.
01:35:22.000How few of us would be employed if you had to walk across, you had to get in the river, you had to fucking wade across the river, you had to get to the other side holding your baby over the rapids.
01:35:33.000And then once you get to the other side, you gotta climb a wall, and then you gotta walk across the desert, and then you gotta find a job.
01:36:14.000So, the president of Mexico yesterday, or the ex-president, or whatever, whoever, who cares, He said, we will not even consider paying for the wall.
01:36:41.000So I get a call from one of the reporters yesterday, and they said, the president of Mexico said they will not, under any circumstances, pay for the wall.
01:36:52.000They said to me, what is your comment?
01:36:55.000I said, the wall just got ten feet higher.
01:37:57.000I won't be a divider in chief or an agitator in chief.
01:38:01.000I won't be out there blowharding, talking a big game without backing it up.
01:38:05.000I think the next president needs to be a lot quieter, but send a signal that we're prepared to act in the national security interests of this country to get back in the business of creating a more peaceful world.
01:39:56.000What would happen if he got into office and then immediately gave like a calm, sober presentation and explained that he did what he had to do to win, but he's absolutely serious about being the president.
01:44:16.000I was in Alaska doing a performance and...
01:44:19.000I was playing NBA Jam against my boy and he was the Super Sonics and he just fucking dunked on me and I got upset and I felt something in my stomach and from there...
01:46:43.000Yeah, if you're in a loud place, a jackhammer's going off, he would literally have to push his hand into his abdomen to keep it compressed and go, dude, let's get the fuck out of here.
01:46:54.000I performed for two or three years already with that...
01:48:35.000There's definitely been people that have gotten in trouble for doing terrible shit to, like, dentists doing terrible shit to their patients when they're under...
01:48:43.000I heard about that from the Jerky Boys years ago.
01:49:21.000And he did one of them where he called this rental car company with this heavy Boston accent and was telling them the car they rented was on fire.
01:50:38.000I mean, I know there's a lot, you know, I've been caught out there, like, baby mother trying to start drama with me over the phone, have me on three-way, and I say some crazy shit, and then,
01:50:54.000like, six of her fucking family members hear it, you know what I mean?
01:52:12.000I feel like we're getting trapped with the first few words of the sentences we're saying, and then we're committed to these sentences, and we don't know exactly what we were going to say when we started talking, so we're making it up as we go along.
01:55:15.000Well, in Vietnam, it seems like the G.I.s brought funk music to fucking Vietnam and Thailand and all those, like wherever they were.
01:55:26.000Because there's some funky motherfucking music that comes from the 70s and in the Vietnamese, like this Vietnamese soul music that just sounds like Motherfuckers from Harlem are playing, you know?
01:57:09.000Obviously, I don't speak Vietnamese either, so when I'm listening to that, it gives you a little extra kind of cool charge to it, because you don't even know what the fuck they're saying.
02:04:11.000So, all told with this show, do you have a deal to do it for a certain amount of time, or are you just doing it for as long as you enjoy it?
02:04:20.000Right now, it feels like it could be going on for a long time if it hits.
02:05:43.00030 to 40. How does it not turn into just rot?
02:05:46.000Because there's so much fat cap on it that the fat protects it and the meat just rots inside and...
02:05:56.000All that fatty tissue breaks down and just becomes nutty and unbelievably fucking delicious, you know, and deep and incredible depth of flavor and developing all this earthiness and this umami flavor you can't really explain.
02:06:14.000But when you eat it, it just melts and it's like what the fuck is going on?
02:07:34.000It's bizarre how far people will go out of their way to try to, like, rig the perfect steak to something like this, where you're letting some meat sit for seven months.
02:07:43.000That means they had to take it up to, like, a year, and then they go, like, back off.
02:08:46.000But like I said, they're gonna give you like a quarter inch or a half inch piece because it's too OD. It's like eating a whole thing of blue cheese in one bite.
02:08:56.000Oh, as far as like the amount of bacteria?