The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #771

00:00:00.000 It's just a perfect situation.

00:00:01.000 And we're live.

00:00:03.000 Yeah, and what?

00:00:04.000 And it's a UFC. Yeah, yeah, we're talking about UFC Fight Companion podcasts.

00:00:09.000 They're so ridiculously fun.

00:00:10.000 They're more fun than doing it live.

00:00:12.000 Yeah, and what I was saying is what makes him super crazy special for me, I look forward to him so much, is it's not just the best possible podcast situation, the most fun, the funnest shit.

00:00:23.000 We could talk about anything.

00:00:25.000 We could talk about gay shit.

00:00:27.000 It doesn't matter.

00:00:28.000 It doesn't matter.

00:00:29.000 We could do anything.

00:00:30.000 We can talk about sucking dick.

00:00:31.000 We can talk about this shit.

00:00:32.000 We can totally talk about it.

00:00:33.000 And we can get away with it.

00:00:34.000 And people are starting to get sick of it, though, so we should probably pull back.

00:00:37.000 Or give them more dick.

00:00:39.000 Give them more.

00:00:39.000 I don't give a fuck.

00:00:41.000 People are getting pissed.

00:00:42.000 Listen, some people are getting pissed.

00:00:44.000 Those people you can't worry about.

00:00:45.000 But the coolest thing, well, not the coolest thing, but what makes it extra cool is it's the best possible podcast situation, period.

00:00:52.000 Yeah.

00:00:53.000 And there's a UFC going on at the same fucking time.

00:00:56.000 It's overload!

00:00:58.000 It's like you can't take it.

00:00:59.000 We're doing a podcast, the funnest shit ever, while the greatest show that's ever been invented is on at the same time.

00:01:07.000 It's a combination of those things.

00:01:08.000 And if the fight gets boring, if for whatever reason it's stagnant, we just start talking about fucking owls.

00:01:15.000 You ever seen an owl's dick?

00:01:17.000 But if people get upset about us talking about dicks, look, that's just where the conversation goes sometimes.

00:01:23.000 Don't worry about that.

00:01:24.000 We're trying the best we can to be entertaining.

00:01:26.000 That's all we're trying.

00:01:27.000 There's going to be some slip-ups.

00:01:29.000 If you feel like we're getting too much dick in there, you're allowed to express yourself.

00:01:32.000 We might have a pretty strong gay following now.

00:01:35.000 I hope we do.

00:01:36.000 I hope we do.

00:01:37.000 We probably do.

00:01:38.000 I hope we do.

00:01:38.000 We're making them feel comfortable.

00:01:40.000 I hope they do feel comfortable.

00:01:41.000 I'm just keeping it real.

00:01:42.000 I see a guy like Alan Juban, I just keep it real.

00:01:44.000 He's a beautiful man.

00:01:45.000 Goddammit.

00:01:45.000 But even more important than that, who gives a fuck?

00:01:48.000 You know, this is the thing that it's even remotely controversial that we would have a gay following.

00:01:53.000 Probably have a following of Irish people, too.

00:01:56.000 You know what I mean?

00:01:56.000 Who cares?

00:01:57.000 Who gives a fuck?

00:01:58.000 Speaking of the Irish.

00:01:59.000 Speaking of the Irish.

00:02:01.000 I've got him right here.

00:02:02.000 Oh, man.

00:02:04.000 Hey, listen, man.

00:02:04.000 This guy has balls.

00:02:06.000 This is why I respect the fuck out of Conor McGregor.

00:02:08.000 Not just because he's an awesome fighter.

00:02:10.000 And yeah, he lost to Nate Diaz, who's also an awesome fighter.

00:02:13.000 But who the fuck will fight anybody?

00:02:16.000 Who will just jump up in late class?

00:02:18.000 The last guy was BJ. BJ tried it.

00:02:21.000 And you know what?

00:02:22.000 Even though BJ didn't...

00:02:23.000 He had success once, at least at 170. He beat Matt Hughes.

00:02:26.000 But at the end of the day...

00:02:28.000 There's a really good reason why all elite boxers, wrestlers, fighters, weight cutting is so massively important to virtually everybody.

00:02:40.000 There are some crazy people out there like Anthony Johnson.

00:02:43.000 That's the exception.

00:02:45.000 But generally, there's a really good reason most people are torturing themselves to get as light as possible.

00:02:51.000 Because at the elite level, five pounds makes a big fucking difference.

00:02:56.000 It makes a big difference.

00:02:57.000 Just five pounds and then ten pounds, ten pound different, elite level.

00:03:01.000 Man, even the best guys aren't going up in weight.

00:03:04.000 Look at Hoffa Mendez.

00:03:05.000 No doubt.

00:03:06.000 Probably pound for pound the best guy in Jiu Jitsu.

00:03:09.000 Probably him and Marcelo, Jean-Jacques, they're all up there.

00:03:11.000 Bam!

00:03:12.000 There's so many good guys now.

00:03:12.000 Pound for pound.

00:03:14.000 Jesus, it's incredible now.

00:03:15.000 You know what I mean?

00:03:17.000 Even Marcelo.

00:03:18.000 No one's trying to go up in weight.

00:03:20.000 This year, I'm going to try the weight category above me.

00:03:25.000 No!

00:03:25.000 Everybody's on the craziest diet.

00:03:27.000 They need three months.

00:03:29.000 They get serious about it.

00:03:30.000 They're on Instagram posting their fucking broccoli every day.

00:03:34.000 And fucking selfies of their abs and shit.

00:03:39.000 They're killing themselves, not because it feels good.

00:03:43.000 It feels like shit.

00:03:44.000 They all love eating.

00:03:46.000 It's so important.

00:03:48.000 So everybody knows you just can't go up in goddamn weight.

00:03:52.000 BJ was the one that said, fuck it.

00:03:55.000 He went up to light heavyweight and shit.

00:03:57.000 BJ is 5'8".

00:04:00.000 No, it wasn't even light heavyweight, bro.

00:04:01.000 It was heavyweight.

00:04:02.000 Because Liotta Machida was like 208. Okay, okay.

00:04:06.000 I think that fight was like technically a heavyweight fight.

00:04:10.000 Find that out.

00:04:11.000 But you know what, if it's that close, I'm pretty sure that's what it is.

00:04:15.000 That's an out of shape Machida, you know what I mean?

00:04:15.000 He was fat, for sure.

00:04:16.000 That's out of shape Machida.

00:04:17.000 Did you ever see when he used to fight?

00:04:20.000 Kickboxing, karate?

00:04:20.000 He was fat.

00:04:22.000 His first UFC fight.

00:04:23.000 That's not his real weight.

00:04:25.000 His real weight is 205, 185. But BJ did it, and I always admired him.

00:04:32.000 To me, I always look at BJ as a living legend.

00:04:37.000 Yeah, the guy, he's not undefeated, and he got his ass beat a few times.

00:04:41.000 Who gives a fuck?

00:04:43.000 Look what BJ did.

00:04:44.000 He had the balls to step up, and really, he was a 45er, just like Conor.

00:04:48.000 The whole time he was a 45er.

00:04:50.000 In jiu-jitsu, he was a 45er.

00:04:52.000 He was always a 45er, fighting at 55, fought at 170. Nobody else was doing it, and you know, Conor, here he comes.

00:04:59.000 Conor, this guy, he has so much power in his hands.

00:05:04.000 He had that courage to think he could, Finish what BJ started, you know, let me go up there and do that.

00:05:12.000 Do what BJ did, but you know, he felt like he could fucking knock anybody out.

00:05:16.000 He really, really believed he could fucking...

00:05:19.000 If he lands, you're going down.

00:05:21.000 And you know what?

00:05:21.000 He was doing great against Nate Diaz.

00:05:24.000 This is how I found out.

00:05:27.000 I'm at this party, Slammy's house, and...

00:05:33.000 I didn't realize we were behind by a minute and a half.

00:05:37.000 I thought we were live.

00:05:40.000 I thought we were live, but we were behind by a minute and a half.

00:05:42.000 Everyone's going nuts.

00:05:43.000 I'm watching, going, oh shit, Lizzie Borden is sitting next to me.

00:05:46.000 My childhood...

00:05:48.000 Idol.

00:05:48.000 He's one of my greatest favorite lead singers of all time.

00:05:51.000 He's sitting next to me watching.

00:05:53.000 Everyone's going nuts.

00:05:54.000 It looks like Conor's.

00:05:55.000 To me, I was like, Conor's gonna win this thing, man.

00:05:58.000 He was lighting Nate up, cutting them all up.

00:06:00.000 He was connecting.

00:06:02.000 He looked really confident, like Conor looked calm.

00:06:04.000 That whole first round.

00:06:05.000 I was going, it was over in the first or second?

00:06:08.000 Second.

00:06:09.000 It was the second.

00:06:11.000 In that round, I get a call from Joey.

00:06:15.000 Joey's like, oh, you know how much I won.

00:06:17.000 You know how much I won.

00:06:18.000 I told you.

00:06:19.000 I told you you never bet against Diaz.

00:06:21.000 I go, what are you talking about?

00:06:22.000 I thought I was watching.

00:06:23.000 Are you talking about the Misha fight?

00:06:25.000 He goes, no, motherfucker.

00:06:27.000 He got choked.

00:06:27.000 I go, who got choked?

00:06:28.000 Holly Holm got choked out?

00:06:29.000 I'm watching the Date Mias.

00:06:31.000 No, motherfucker.

00:06:32.000 What fight are you watching right now?

00:06:33.000 I go, I'm watching the Conor fight.

00:06:35.000 As it's going on, he goes, he choked him fucking out.

00:06:39.000 I'm like, dude...

00:06:40.000 Fuck!

00:06:41.000 And he goes, bye!

00:06:42.000 Boom!

00:06:42.000 He realized he fucked up.

00:06:44.000 And I knew that Diaz was going to win a minute before it happened.

00:06:48.000 Did you pause it to pee or something?

00:06:51.000 We were at a party and it was just behind.

00:06:52.000 Someone rewound shit.

00:06:53.000 You know when you rewind shit and you want to see something again and you didn't fast forward it?

00:06:57.000 So we thought it was live.

00:06:59.000 So Joey called me hysterical and he gave it away.

00:07:03.000 And then once he realized he gave it away, he hung up and goes, oh shit, bye.

00:07:07.000 And I said, oh shit, bye.

00:07:09.000 You just fucked up the greatest fight ever.

00:07:11.000 But the fight was so crazy and so funny.

00:07:14.000 That's fucking insane.

00:07:16.000 That even though I knew...

00:07:18.000 Even though I knew, I go, okay, somehow Nate is going to take him down and choke him out, but it doesn't look good right here.

00:07:18.000 That's better.

00:07:25.000 I'm like, how is he going to take Connor down?

00:07:27.000 That's not going to be easy.

00:07:28.000 Fuck, he's going to pull this off.

00:07:29.000 How is he going to do it?

00:07:30.000 I had no idea that Nate hurts Connor.

00:07:35.000 Connor takes him down.

00:07:37.000 You know, that's how it went down.

00:07:38.000 The place I was at was going fucking nuts.

00:07:42.000 Everybody was screaming at the top of their fucking lungs.

00:07:46.000 Everyone was...

00:07:47.000 And then when he choked him out, dude, I'd never been in a party where everyone was going so crazy before.

00:07:54.000 Everybody was losing their fucking mind.

00:07:57.000 I was too!

00:07:58.000 Should've been at the UFC. Holy shitballs!

00:08:02.000 Everybody was going crazy.

00:08:03.000 Jumped up and screamed.

00:08:05.000 I never screamed so loud in my motherfucking life at any fight ever.

00:08:09.000 That was fucking shocking.

00:08:12.000 It was a saying.

00:08:13.000 It looked like Conor just had his hands down and goes, I got this motherfucker.

00:08:17.000 He was landing.

00:08:18.000 He was tagging him.

00:08:18.000 It looked like you hurt him a couple times.

00:08:20.000 He definitely tagged him a few times.

00:08:22.000 You know what I mean?

00:08:23.000 I thought it was over for Nate.

00:08:26.000 I really did.

00:08:26.000 And when he turned it around and the way it finished...

00:08:30.000 And when he put that fucking rear naked choke in, he put that motherfucker in like a super ninja.

00:08:36.000 First of all, the way he mounted.

00:08:38.000 If you don't do jujitsu, you would never know.

00:08:40.000 The way he fucking mounted and his balance.

00:08:45.000 You could see the balance.

00:08:46.000 You could see the beauty in that mount and the way he was riding him like a professional fucking champion rodeo fucking rider.

00:08:55.000 All his balance is all beautiful.

00:08:57.000 And then when he took his back, the way he put that fucking hook in, it was so efficient.

00:09:03.000 There wasn't no hiccup where he hit this jaw, and then he had to set up, and then he had to feel...

00:09:09.000 It just went...

00:09:12.000 It was fucking insanity.

00:09:14.000 Real black belt shit.

00:09:15.000 It was so perfect and so fucking, like that technique was about as flawless and as beautiful as you can get.

00:09:22.000 Yeah, that was two big points was that we had never seen Connor face adversity and we had never seen him on the ground with a real Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt like Nate.

00:09:32.000 Nate's got a nasty ground game, man.

00:09:34.000 His ground game is tight as fuck.

00:09:35.000 But people are talking a lot of shit on Conor's jiu-jitsu.

00:09:38.000 I know Conor's jiu-jitsu is good.

00:09:41.000 He's come to my school.

00:09:42.000 That guy's good just because he got mounted and choked down.

00:09:46.000 Yeah, he was already hurt.

00:09:47.000 But even if he wasn't hurt, I get mounted by my purple belt sometimes and I get my back.

00:09:52.000 There's some shit going on and add punches and fucking all this hype.

00:09:55.000 Just because he got mounted and got his back taken does not mean Conor's jiu-jitsu sucks.

00:10:00.000 Don't get it twisted.

00:10:01.000 He was a little hurt.

00:10:02.000 Nate Diaz is really good.

00:10:05.000 Nate Diaz is really, really good.

00:10:07.000 You know what I mean?

00:10:08.000 Like, Nate Diaz could probably do that to me.

00:10:09.000 Doesn't mean I suck.

00:10:11.000 You know what I mean?

00:10:12.000 He could probably get my back.

00:10:13.000 Doesn't mean I suck.

00:10:14.000 I'm a height.

00:10:15.000 Well, he got hurt.

00:10:17.000 It's real simple.

00:10:18.000 When you get tagged the way he got tagged, and you're trying to take Nate Diaz down, he got hurt.

00:10:22.000 He probably had no idea what the fuck he was doing.

00:10:24.000 I haven't had an MMA fight, but Schaub was telling me about when Travis Brown hit him.

00:10:29.000 And that he's like, dude, I know how to get out of the mound.

00:10:32.000 But when Travis hit me, he's like, I didn't know what I was doing.

00:10:35.000 I was out of it.

00:10:36.000 I think that...

00:10:38.000 Unless you get punched in the face.

00:10:39.000 Yeah, man.

00:10:40.000 You can't judge his jiu-jitsu.

00:10:41.000 Fuck no.

00:10:42.000 It's like judging is walking if you get head kicked.

00:10:45.000 Connor's jiu-jitsu is good.

00:10:46.000 Nate Diaz's jiu-jitsu is just way better.

00:10:49.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:10:49.000 That's all it is.

00:10:50.000 If somebody punches you in the face and then you walk funny, like, man, you need to work on your walking.

00:10:54.000 No.

00:10:55.000 They got memes of Conor in a kid's jiu-jitsu class.

00:11:00.000 That's one that's going around.

00:11:02.000 You know what?

00:11:04.000 He's hurt.

00:11:04.000 He is good.

00:11:05.000 Trust me.

00:11:06.000 Conor's jiu-jitsu is very, very good.

00:11:08.000 Trust me.

00:11:09.000 He's not a joke.

00:11:10.000 Especially in that first round was nasty.

00:11:12.000 Stand-up looked very good.

00:11:14.000 He's just, look, first of all, Nate Diaz is not a real 170, although he did fight 170 twice.

00:11:20.000 He fought Stungun Kim, and he fought Rory, Rory McDonald.

00:11:25.000 Remember that?

00:11:26.000 Fought those guys at 170. So he did have two fights at 170, but he's a 155-er.

00:11:31.000 But he's a big 155-er.

00:11:33.000 He's big and long.

00:11:34.000 I don't know if he could ever make 145. I just don't think he could do it.

00:11:38.000 Conor barely can do it.

00:11:40.000 You know, Conor barely can do it.

00:11:42.000 When you see Conor at the weigh-ins, I mean, those photos from the weigh-ins are pretty legendary.

00:11:46.000 I think it's insane that we do this, that we let these guys dehydrate themselves like that.

00:11:51.000 I think whatever Nate walks around at, that's what he should fight at.

00:11:54.000 And I don't know if Conor really walks around at 168, which is what he weighed in, and Nate rated 169. They're only one pound different.

00:12:01.000 Nate had some body fat on him because he wasn't preparing for this at all.

00:12:06.000 I think Connor could make some noise at 155. Shrink that up so we can see the two of those together.

00:12:13.000 Look at the difference between how he weighed in before and how he weighed in this time.

00:12:18.000 I mean, my God, he looks like he has some fucking crazy disease that won't let food absorb in his body on the top one.

00:12:26.000 He's got some crazy illness.

00:12:29.000 And then on the bottom, he looks great.

00:12:31.000 Full-faced.

00:12:35.000 But, you know, if he can make 145, he's going to continue to do it.

00:12:39.000 Do you think it's an accident that the ring card girls are, like, sitting right there?

00:12:42.000 Is that an accident?

00:12:44.000 It's perfect for the pictures, right?

00:12:46.000 That's why they stand there.

00:12:47.000 Ultimate man.

00:12:48.000 It's to balance out the dude in underwear.

00:12:50.000 You know what I mean?

00:12:51.000 You've got to put chicks in there somewhere.

00:12:54.000 That's exactly where they do it.

00:12:56.000 That's funny.

00:12:57.000 That's funny.

00:12:58.000 I think he could...

00:13:01.000 Completely dominate, continue to dominate the 145 division, and I think he could make a lot of epic fights at 155. Beat some big names, but then lose to some other big names.

00:13:12.000 He'll be one of the top guys at 55. I don't know if he'll just clean house like he did at 45, but I believe if he stayed at 55, he would do some serious damage.

00:13:21.000 He's a bad motherfucker, dude.

00:13:23.000 Yeah, he's a bad motherfucker.

00:13:24.000 And the shit he's saying after the fight, that's all the perfect shit.

00:13:27.000 Perfect shit.

00:13:27.000 I love what he's doing.

00:13:28.000 I love how he's handling it.

00:13:29.000 I think he handled his loss better than anybody.

00:13:32.000 Ever.

00:13:33.000 Ever.

00:13:33.000 He said, I'm humble in victory and I'll be humble in defeat.

00:13:37.000 No matter what happened in that fight, his next fight, whoever he's fighting, he's going to get fucked up.

00:13:42.000 You know what I mean?

00:13:43.000 I mean, what if he fights Los Angeles?

00:13:43.000 Maybe.

00:13:45.000 Dos Anjos is always going to be a tough fight.

00:13:47.000 He's going to cut him up.

00:13:48.000 I bet he tags him a few times.

00:13:50.000 I bet he tags him.

00:13:50.000 I bet you're right.

00:13:51.000 I bet you're right.

00:13:52.000 He's going to tag everybody.

00:13:53.000 He's going to hit some people.

00:13:53.000 And just because he got knocked out, a lot of people, half the people get knocked out in fights.

00:13:57.000 He got knocked out.

00:13:58.000 He got cracked and he got choked.

00:14:00.000 But I'm interested to see how he handles the physicality of Dos Anjos, who's a lot more physical than Nate.

00:14:07.000 You know, Dos Anjos is a beast.

00:14:08.000 I want to know if he could do to Conor what he was able to do to Nate, what he was able to do to a lot of guys, like Pettis, what he did to Pettis, you know?

00:14:17.000 That guy's strong as shit.

00:14:18.000 I was so bummed out when he broke his foot.

00:14:20.000 I was like, God, that's a crazy fight.

00:14:22.000 That's always going to be there, but fucking Nate.

00:14:24.000 All of a sudden, Nate is in the...

00:14:27.000 Dude, that little stoner is gonna be...

00:14:31.000 He's the best.

00:14:32.000 Dude, he's super famous now.

00:14:35.000 Everybody knows who Nate Diaz is.

00:14:37.000 He had the greatest all-time post-fight line.

00:14:37.000 Come on, dude.

00:14:40.000 I gotta say, I'm not surprised, motherfuckers.

00:14:44.000 You know what's funny?

00:14:45.000 You know what's...

00:14:46.000 In the beginning, Conor won the verbal battles.

00:14:50.000 The first couple press conferences, he kind of did.

00:14:53.000 Conor came full blown.

00:14:54.000 And then Nate won towards the end, dude.

00:14:56.000 I felt that Nate was in Conor's head.

00:15:00.000 I think it reversed it.

00:15:01.000 I think he was pissing Conor off that he kept saying, fuck you!

00:15:06.000 He just went gangster on him every time.

00:15:08.000 My crew will fuck up your crew.

00:15:10.000 Like I said, if you want to make this fucking serious, we're going to pass by you guys somewhere in this motherfucking hotel.

00:15:16.000 We'll jump you.

00:15:17.000 We'll do that.

00:15:18.000 You guys want to do that?

00:15:19.000 We'll actually jump you guys and it'll be all over fucking Sherdog and shit.

00:15:24.000 Well, do you know that Klaudia Gidea and Joanna Janjacek got in a full-blown street fight on the set of Tough, head kicks, everything.

00:15:33.000 You know, those two badass chicks.

00:15:36.000 Klaudia Gidea is a badass bitch.

00:15:39.000 You've seen her fight, right?

00:15:41.000 She's nasty, dude.

00:15:42.000 She's one that I have zero images in my head.

00:15:42.000 You know what?

00:15:45.000 She's nasty.

00:15:47.000 Her and Jacek had a really close first fight.

00:15:51.000 Split decision win for Jacek.

00:15:53.000 So they coached opposite side each other because she's the number one contender.

00:15:56.000 Okay.

00:15:56.000 When does that air?

00:15:57.000 She's ferocious.

00:15:58.000 She's ferocious.

00:15:59.000 I like the ultimate fighter.

00:16:00.000 Both of them are ferocious.

00:16:01.000 And this one sounds like a good one.

00:16:02.000 Dude, Jacek is ferocious.

00:16:04.000 And Klaudia Gedelia.

00:16:05.000 Yeah, there it is.

00:16:06.000 Dana White.

00:16:07.000 Gedelia, is that a Brazilian?

00:16:09.000 Yeah, man.

00:16:10.000 She's a Nova Uniao girl.

00:16:11.000 She's good, dude.

00:16:13.000 Good jujitsu?

00:16:14.000 Fuck yeah.

00:16:15.000 Real good jujitsu and strong as shit.

00:16:17.000 Strong as shit.

00:16:18.000 When they fought the first time, where she was winning was on the ground and she was doing well on the feet too, but Joanna caught her with a big uppercut I think in the first round and rocked her.

00:16:27.000 Was she trying to take her down?

00:16:30.000 Yeah.

00:16:35.000 Yeah.

00:16:37.000 Yeah.

00:16:51.000 Julianna Panay.

00:16:52.000 What's her name?

00:16:53.000 No, Jessica Panay.

00:16:54.000 Jessica Panay, the second title defense that she had.

00:16:57.000 These girls tried to wrestle with her though.

00:16:59.000 You can't wrestle with her anymore.

00:17:01.000 She got better.

00:17:02.000 She's nasty.

00:17:03.000 She's really fucking slick standing up.

00:17:06.000 And apparently they just went to war.

00:17:07.000 They just, on the set, beat the shit out of each other.

00:17:10.000 You're Dana White.

00:17:11.000 What do you do with Misha?

00:17:15.000 Dude, blow her up.

00:17:17.000 She's huge.

00:17:18.000 That fight was courageous.

00:17:20.000 I don't know, man, but give her a world tour first.

00:17:23.000 She won one of the greatest victories in the history of MMA. Down on the scorecards, in the fourth round, with two minutes to go, she hits a takedown.

00:17:34.000 Takes her back.

00:17:36.000 Almost gets shook over the top.

00:17:38.000 Hangs on.

00:17:39.000 Hangs on.

00:17:40.000 That was so dramatic.

00:17:41.000 Dude, that was like the end of a movie right there.

00:17:43.000 She fought so smart.

00:17:44.000 She did everything that all the experts were saying she was going to need to do.

00:17:48.000 She did everything.

00:17:50.000 She avoided the kicks.

00:17:51.000 She didn't rush in.

00:17:52.000 And she had to pull it off.

00:17:55.000 What was there, a minute left?

00:17:56.000 How much time?

00:17:57.000 I think it was somewhere around two minutes to go when she went for the takedown.

00:18:00.000 When she got a hold of her.

00:18:02.000 So you're down to...

00:18:04.000 Last round.

00:18:05.000 And she wasn't winning the round.

00:18:06.000 Nothing really had happened that was big and significant.

00:18:09.000 She had a takedown attempt stuffed.

00:18:10.000 She was probably losing on the cards.

00:18:12.000 Could be.

00:18:13.000 I didn't look at the cards.

00:18:14.000 But she won that one round for sure when she took her down.

00:18:17.000 And that made everybody go, oh shit!

00:18:20.000 Was that the second?

00:18:21.000 Was it the second round that she took her down?

00:18:23.000 Was it dominating her?

00:18:25.000 Yeah, I think it was the second.

00:18:27.000 Misha's wrestling surprised me.

00:18:29.000 Her wrestling is a lot better than before.

00:18:32.000 She's hustling, dude.

00:18:33.000 She keeps getting better.

00:18:33.000 She hustles.

00:18:34.000 Because Holly Holm ain't easy to take down.

00:18:35.000 She works her takedown defense.

00:18:36.000 That's like her main shit.

00:18:39.000 She probably works on her takedown defense more than her jiu-jitsu.

00:18:42.000 This is the cards?

00:18:43.000 Yeah.

00:18:45.000 So what is it saying, basically?

00:18:46.000 What do we got here?

00:18:48.000 This is hard to do.

00:18:49.000 These are confusing.

00:18:51.000 White, blue, pink.

00:18:52.000 There's a pink card?

00:18:53.000 I guess the different people.

00:18:56.000 It just says the referee's names.

00:18:59.000 Okay, so round nine, so 10-9.

00:19:04.000 Well, who's red and who's blue?

00:19:06.000 Misha's blue.

00:19:07.000 Yeah, Misha's blue on the left.

00:19:08.000 Okay, so it must have been the...

00:19:10.000 Hmm, that's interesting.

00:19:13.000 Wait a minute.

00:19:16.000 All three had 10-9 for the first.

00:19:18.000 Right.

00:19:18.000 All three had 10-8 for the second.

00:19:20.000 Right, that makes sense.

00:19:21.000 And all three had 10-9 for the third and for the fourth.

00:19:25.000 So does that make it a draw?

00:19:26.000 No.

00:19:27.000 That means Holly was ahead?

00:19:28.000 Well, how do they judge the fourth and then the fifth?

00:19:31.000 She was ahead in the fourth.

00:19:32.000 So Holly was ahead by one point, right?

00:19:34.000 Yeah.

00:19:35.000 Even though she'd won three rounds?

00:19:38.000 Yeah, so if she would have won that round, it would have been a draw, I guess.

00:19:41.000 Wow.

00:19:42.000 But she wasn't really winning the round right there.

00:19:45.000 I'm surprised that they all gave him a 10-8.

00:19:47.000 That's good.

00:19:48.000 That's very good.

00:19:49.000 Good job.

00:19:50.000 Who were their names?

00:19:51.000 Marcos Rosales?

00:19:52.000 Good job.

00:19:53.000 Yeah.

00:19:53.000 That was a real 10-8.

00:19:55.000 That's how a 10-8 should look.

00:19:57.000 Someone takes you down, beats the shit out of you.

00:20:00.000 What a finish!

00:20:01.000 That was what was amazing about it.

00:20:03.000 Holly fought smart.

00:20:05.000 She used that sidekick a lot.

00:20:06.000 She's so good with her movement.

00:20:08.000 She caught Misha with a lot of punches too, man.

00:20:10.000 But she wasn't going after her.

00:20:12.000 She would catch her with punches and stay on the outside.

00:20:14.000 She was fighting a smart fight.

00:20:16.000 And she got taken down.

00:20:17.000 She got dominated on the ground by Misha.

00:20:19.000 And that's when I was like, wow.

00:20:20.000 Misha's fucking top game is solid as a rock.

00:20:24.000 Like, her control is excellent.

00:20:25.000 And she's fucking strong, man.

00:20:28.000 She's strong, because Holly's strong.

00:20:30.000 Holly Holm is strong.

00:20:32.000 I was really impressed with her ground and pound, really impressed with her top game.

00:20:36.000 But then, you know what, man?

00:20:38.000 The next round, Holly Holm got right back on her fucking bicycle.

00:20:41.000 And probably, in everyone's eyes, won that round, right?

00:20:45.000 All those judges' eyes.

00:20:46.000 To me, it was...

00:20:48.000 If that would have won a decision, I would have given it to Holly.

00:20:51.000 Yeah.

00:20:52.000 Just based on, you know.

00:20:54.000 Depending upon how that fifth round ended.

00:20:56.000 No real damage.

00:20:56.000 She never knocked Misha down.

00:20:58.000 She never hurt Misha, right?

00:21:00.000 She definitely hurt her.

00:21:01.000 She never hurt her.

00:21:01.000 She tagged her a couple times where, you know, she snapped her head back a little bit, but it wasn't anything like, boom, legs giving out.

00:21:08.000 So, it was about to be...

00:21:13.000 Semi-boring decision overall, like who would want to watch that fight again?

00:21:16.000 The second round was kind of cool.

00:21:17.000 It was gonna be one of those fights, but just like that, Misha turned it into one of the greatest fights ever.

00:21:22.000 Amazing.

00:21:23.000 Yeah, that comeback, that last second, that's like a grand slam in the bottom of the ninth.

00:21:28.000 And the scramble to get to the back, her scramble, the way she held on as Holly kept moving and changing and adjusting, she kept holding on, then finally the Hail Mary, Holly tries to flip her over the top and she hangs on.

00:21:40.000 She hangs on to the joke and sinks it in and gets the hooks in.

00:21:44.000 And when Holly goes to sleep punching in the air, oh my god!

00:21:49.000 You know those old NFL films?

00:21:50.000 Like when you watch those, the Super Bowl from 1978 or something, you have that voice.

00:21:56.000 And they're doing the slow-mo and all these old, you know...

00:22:01.000 Memorable plays, epic plays.

00:22:03.000 In 20 years, when they look back at that, and they have some old Orson Welles type narrator talking about going through all that transition.

00:22:14.000 There was a lot of drama going on there.

00:22:17.000 Man, she didn't just take her back and choke her.

00:22:19.000 There was a lot of shit.

00:22:20.000 There was a lot of shit to handle first.

00:22:21.000 So much was going on.

00:22:22.000 So much was happening.

00:22:25.000 It was incredible.

00:22:26.000 Two rear naked chokes.

00:22:27.000 The scramble, though.

00:22:29.000 The scramble was just so epic, because the drama building up.

00:22:32.000 She's down on the cards, most likely.

00:22:34.000 We can't watch that?

00:22:36.000 No, we can never watch that.

00:22:37.000 She's down on the cards, most likely.

00:22:39.000 She's about to lose a decision, probably.

00:22:43.000 Oh my God, she's got a hold of her!

00:22:45.000 Oh my God, she's on her back!

00:22:46.000 Oh my God!

00:22:47.000 Oh my God, she's got a choke!

00:22:48.000 Oh my God!

00:22:49.000 It's over.

00:22:50.000 Exactly.

00:22:51.000 And then when Holly went to sleep, it was like she didn't even tap.

00:22:54.000 She just went out.

00:22:56.000 She went out punching.

00:22:57.000 Yeah.

00:22:57.000 She was throwing punches when she went out.

00:22:59.000 Do you know how badass you have to be to go out throwing punches?

00:22:59.000 Yeah.

00:23:04.000 You know how badass that girl is?

00:23:05.000 Yeah.

00:23:06.000 She went out like throwing punches.

00:23:06.000 She went out.

00:23:10.000 She didn't want to tap.

00:23:12.000 Fuck, that was a good fight.

00:23:14.000 Woo!

00:23:15.000 It's amazing.

00:23:15.000 Yeah.

00:23:16.000 Back to back, boom.

00:23:18.000 That was the best fight of the night.

00:23:19.000 Was that the biggest UFC ever?

00:23:21.000 I mean, Jesus.

00:23:22.000 Yeah, it was the biggest UFC ever.

00:23:23.000 I mean, I would say it's the fight of the night, but it's not the fight of the night.

00:23:26.000 It's the same.

00:23:27.000 They're both equally insane.

00:23:30.000 There's no, like, one better finale or one better...

00:23:34.000 I think the Conor fight was more exciting because all the way through there was a lot of damage going on.

00:23:40.000 There was a lot of fire going on.

00:23:41.000 With the Hawley fight, there was a lot of dancing around, taking shots.

00:23:45.000 There was a lot less action overall.

00:23:49.000 Yeah, but if you take out a couple of those rounds and compress it all into one round, then yeah.

00:23:55.000 See, I don't think you've got to be pleased by it.

00:23:58.000 Through the whole thing.

00:23:59.000 I think what's most important is that after it ends, you have some definitive conclusion.

00:24:04.000 And if it takes a while to get to that definitive conclusion, I mean, it's going to.

00:24:08.000 If two fighters are tactical...

00:24:10.000 You're right.

00:24:11.000 But the end...

00:24:11.000 It was because of that that made the end so good.

00:24:13.000 Like, without that...

00:24:14.000 Then it wouldn't have been so juicy at the end.

00:24:16.000 Exactly, because she had gone through the full five, when they were in the fifth round, and it was like, we've got to see, she's trying things, they're not working.

00:24:24.000 She tries this, it works really good.

00:24:25.000 Okay, now Holly's trying this, that's working.

00:24:27.000 Misha's trying that, that's not working.

00:24:29.000 Okay, now she's trying to start a kick.

00:24:30.000 She's got to do something different to get close to her.

00:24:33.000 How's she going to figure it out?

00:24:34.000 Down the score, shoots for the fucking takedown, grabs a hold of her, gets her neck!

00:24:38.000 Chokes are unconscious!

00:24:40.000 Oh my god!

00:24:41.000 The place went insane!

00:24:42.000 Yeah, you wouldn't have been that low from that stuff.

00:24:44.000 Dude, the place went insane.

00:24:46.000 It went insane.

00:24:47.000 It was so epic.

00:24:48.000 And then...

00:24:50.000 Damn, Misha Tate, man.

00:24:52.000 Goddamn, she was so happy.

00:24:54.000 She's so nice.

00:24:55.000 You know, she's such a...

00:24:56.000 Like, her and Holly, they're both so nice.

00:24:59.000 It's so nice to see, like, nice people like that do really well in such a brutal, savage sport.

00:25:07.000 You know, she's really nice.

00:25:10.000 Misha Tate's never raised her voice at anybody.

00:25:13.000 She's never yelling at anybody.

00:25:14.000 She's like real friendly.

00:25:15.000 She's like real sweet.

00:25:17.000 To see her, the UFC bantamweight champ, I was like, wow, this is crazy.

00:25:22.000 What a performance.

00:25:23.000 I think Holly is a little bit nicer, though.

00:25:26.000 She's super nice, too.

00:25:27.000 She seems like some country wife, you know what I mean?

00:25:32.000 She's the preacher's daughter.

00:25:33.000 That's what they call her.

00:25:34.000 She really is, right?

00:25:36.000 Yeah, she really is.

00:25:37.000 And she's tough as fuck.

00:25:37.000 Wow.

00:25:39.000 Dude, she went out punching.

00:25:41.000 Out cold.

00:25:42.000 She was like throwing punches.

00:25:44.000 She just wants to get back into it.

00:25:48.000 She just wants to get back in.

00:25:50.000 You know what I loved about the pre-fight speech when she was talking about the fight itself?

00:25:54.000 She was like, you know what?

00:25:55.000 Rhonda's going to be out for a while.

00:25:56.000 She goes, I'm not fighting for money.

00:25:58.000 I'm not fighting for fame.

00:25:59.000 I want the action.

00:26:00.000 I want to fight.

00:26:02.000 I'm like, whoa.

00:26:03.000 How wild.

00:26:04.000 That's how you got to think if you want to be great, right?

00:26:07.000 You need something to focus on.

00:26:08.000 Yeah.

00:26:09.000 If you want to be a Holly Holm, I guess you have to be like that.

00:26:13.000 If you want to be a 19-time world's women boxing champion, you got to be like a crazy motivated person like that.

00:26:19.000 She's got to fall in love with jiu-jitsu, though, because she's not the biggest fan of jiu-jitsu.

00:26:24.000 She really needs that.

00:26:26.000 You had said this before.

00:26:27.000 I know that's hard to swallow, but you can't be one of those fighters that, and there's a bunch of them out there, that they didn't really want to get offensively good at jiu-jitsu.

00:26:40.000 They weren't attracted to passing the guard and taking the back and choking PPI. There's a lot of wrestlers out there that just wanted to keep it on the feet, do a little takedown defense, and if you have to take them down, stay in half guard and pound them out, and just keep it simple and keep it like that.

00:26:58.000 There's a lot of wrestlers like that.

00:26:59.000 Not that she's a wrestler, and there's strikers.

00:27:00.000 There's strikers like that, too.

00:27:02.000 There's been quite a few throughout the years champions that didn't really want to work on their jiu-jitsu the right way.

00:27:08.000 The right way, which is sparring with everybody and not picking or sparring opponents and just jumping into the fire.

00:27:14.000 That's how I know Connor's good, because Connor does that.

00:27:16.000 And he's going to get way better.

00:27:17.000 He's actually good at jiu-jitsu.

00:27:19.000 Just Nate is a lot better.

00:27:20.000 But I think Holly needs to have...

00:27:22.000 Somehow, somehow it needs to happen.

00:27:25.000 I don't know how.

00:27:26.000 But she needs to fall in love with jiu-jitsu because I think that's where people know.

00:27:33.000 I mean, that's the spot.

00:27:35.000 We haven't really seen her on her back.

00:27:36.000 We haven't seen her react to jiu-jitsu.

00:27:38.000 Now we have.

00:27:39.000 And Misha just exposed her.

00:27:41.000 And she needs to take care of that and fall in love with jiu-jitsu and start getting on Instagram, taking pictures with her gi.

00:27:49.000 You know what I mean?

00:27:49.000 And she's got a blue belt and be all happy.

00:27:52.000 She's got to be really happy about it because she needs to...

00:27:55.000 There's a hole right there, and that's where people are going to try to take her.

00:27:58.000 She's not that hard to take down after all.

00:28:00.000 I thought she'd be harder to take down, but Misha took her down.

00:28:03.000 Well, Misha mixes up her takedown attempts.

00:28:05.000 She goes up top and she goes down low, whereas Ronda's like upper body clinch.

00:28:10.000 She's really into upper body clinch.

00:28:12.000 Also, Ronda in that fight was so insanely aggressive.

00:28:15.000 Her charging after her made it so much easier for counters.

00:28:19.000 Misha was super crafty.

00:28:21.000 Very patient.

00:28:22.000 Very patient, varied her movement, varied her timing.

00:28:26.000 She didn't continue any patterns with her stand-up.

00:28:31.000 She moved around a lot.

00:28:32.000 She did a lot of juking.

00:28:34.000 She did a lot of different stuff.

00:28:36.000 Stayed on the outside, made Holly come after her.

00:28:38.000 If you're a really good counter-striker like Holly is, for her, the best thing is a Ronda.

00:28:44.000 Someone's going to run at her.

00:28:45.000 The best thing is someone running at her.

00:28:47.000 She's so fleet.

00:28:49.000 Her footwork is so excellent.

00:28:51.000 She's so light on her feet that she's so good at just sliding out of the way and cracking you while you're coming in.

00:28:56.000 It's one of the things she's best at.

00:28:58.000 So if you fight that way against her, that's the kind of fight that happens.

00:29:03.000 She looks like a master.

00:29:04.000 But if you look at her fight in the very first UFC fight with Raquel Pennington, she won a split decision.

00:29:10.000 And that was a fight where Raquel fought more cautious, a little smarter, new Holly's background coming in.

00:29:17.000 You know, if you don't, like, if you don't engage with her, it's like, remember when Anderson was in his prime?

00:29:24.000 If guys came after him, he just butchered him.

00:29:26.000 But if guys hung back, sometimes the fight was boring, right?

00:29:30.000 Like, um, Talos Latis.

00:29:32.000 Remember Talos Latis, like, hung back and he kind of waited for Anderson?

00:29:35.000 Um, same thing with Patrick Cote.

00:29:37.000 Patrick Cote hung back.

00:29:39.000 He just fought smart.

00:29:40.000 He's like, I'm not charging and running anything.

00:29:42.000 Come get me.

00:29:43.000 And Cote, like, always had a big right hand.

00:29:46.000 So everybody had to be real careful.

00:29:47.000 You always had to be careful because a guy, if you're coming at him, he could always catch you.

00:29:51.000 And if a guy like Cote catches you, he just had that stupid power in his hand.

00:29:55.000 He could just knock.

00:29:56.000 He knocked down Tito at 205. You remember that?

00:29:59.000 He knocked him out?

00:30:00.000 Down.

00:30:01.000 Knocked him down.

00:30:01.000 Tito can take a shot.

00:30:03.000 But he knocked him down at 205. And he fights at 170 now.

00:30:07.000 You know?

00:30:08.000 I mean, Patrico taking crack.

00:30:10.000 So Anderson never won.

00:30:11.000 Remember Patrick blew his knee out in that fight?

00:30:13.000 Yeah.

00:30:13.000 He went to throw a kick and his knee just gave out.

00:30:15.000 That's right.

00:30:16.000 Exploded.

00:30:17.000 Yeah, he fought a very smart fight too.

00:30:21.000 When you fight a killer counter-striker like that, the big thing is let them lead.

00:30:26.000 They don't want to lead?

00:30:27.000 Make it a boring fight.

00:30:29.000 Let it be boring.

00:30:30.000 Move around.

00:30:31.000 Be patient.

00:30:32.000 Misha did everything right, man.

00:30:33.000 It's amazing.

00:30:34.000 Ronda Misha 3 would be nice, right?

00:30:37.000 That's probably what's gonna happen.

00:30:38.000 That's probably what's gonna happen next, according to what I've led on the internets.

00:30:42.000 I wonder what Ronda would want.

00:30:42.000 Is that what I've heard?

00:30:44.000 Would she want a rematch with her after a loss or a title shot?

00:30:50.000 If I was her, I would guess, rather.

00:30:53.000 If I was her, I'd be a boy.

00:30:53.000 That's a tough choice.

00:30:55.000 Tough choice, right?

00:30:56.000 If I'm a boy, I can't be her.

00:30:58.000 If I was her, honestly, I would probably, I would imagine if I was her, I'd want to avenge the loss.

00:31:05.000 Because Holly was her first loss, and she doesn't feel like she did her best in that fight.

00:31:11.000 And that fight was just, she had too much going on.

00:31:14.000 If you hear her talk about it, it was like, there was just overwhelm with obligations and shit, and just fought wrong.

00:31:20.000 Just didn't fight correctly.

00:31:22.000 Just had real problems going into that.

00:31:24.000 And then you have, like, her approach.

00:31:26.000 Like, getting in Holly's face at the weigh-in.

00:31:28.000 Trying to make it real emotional.

00:31:30.000 You know?

00:31:31.000 You fake-ass bitch and all that stuff.

00:31:32.000 And then all that emotions when she fought in the ring.

00:31:34.000 Just running after Holly.

00:31:36.000 And Holly just fought like a master.

00:31:38.000 That was one of the best performances you'll ever see, of a striker negating a person's aggression.

00:31:44.000 Like, she just did it so brilliantly.

00:31:47.000 Catching her with elbows coming in, catching her with straight lefts, and then that fucking setup for the head kick when Ronda's all stumbling and she just catches her with that head kick.

00:31:57.000 I mean, just a spectacular mixed martial arts performance overall.

00:32:01.000 Like, one of the best.

00:32:03.000 Like, title-winning efforts in any weight class, as far as, like, a sheer domination.

00:32:07.000 It's right up there with T.J. Dillshaw, Henning Burrell 1. But more, probably more scary and impressive.

00:32:12.000 That's one of the most spectacular highlight clips ever.

00:32:16.000 Ever.

00:32:16.000 Where she's getting clipped?

00:32:17.000 Yep.

00:32:18.000 Amazing.

00:32:18.000 Wow.

00:32:19.000 Amazing.

00:32:20.000 She's a badass, you know?

00:32:21.000 So what I think about Holly is, you know, Holly get back on track, and I really hope that she takes that advice that you just gave.

00:32:28.000 I think that'd be real smart.

00:32:30.000 She's got to somehow fall in love with it and not fight it no more.

00:32:33.000 Well, I don't know if she fights it.

00:32:34.000 I don't know what the deal is.

00:32:35.000 Who knows?

00:32:36.000 You know, she's just so good at kickboxing.

00:32:38.000 I think she just wants to stay sharp in that and that's what she wants to do to girls because she feels like she has this big advantage against them in that.

00:32:48.000 But obviously she needs a little work on it.

00:32:50.000 And I think she'll get better, man.

00:32:51.000 She can still improve, you know?

00:32:54.000 And I think maybe there's also the overwhelming pressure that must come from being a champ.

00:32:59.000 That experience probably takes a while to learn how to navigate.

00:33:02.000 I hope I'm wrong and she's already in love with it.

00:33:04.000 That would be awesome if I was wrong.

00:33:06.000 I'm rooting for Holly.

00:33:07.000 I like Holly.

00:33:08.000 How could you not like her?

00:33:09.000 Of course.

00:33:10.000 How could I not like her?

00:33:11.000 I'm just being real.

00:33:12.000 I'm sorry if it hurts anybody's feelings.

00:33:14.000 No, no, no.

00:33:15.000 And I hope that I'm wrong.

00:33:17.000 You have no idea.

00:33:19.000 She's totally into it.

00:33:20.000 She just hasn't worked on it that long or whatever.

00:33:23.000 But I would love to see Holly Holm with aggressive off her back and dangerous off her back.

00:33:30.000 There's no reason why she couldn't be.

00:33:31.000 She's super athletic.

00:33:32.000 She has a crazy work ethic.

00:33:35.000 Did you watch CR, Bahar Dezada, and Brandon Thatch?

00:33:41.000 There was a fight on the undercard.

00:33:42.000 That's just a super talented guy, man.

00:33:45.000 Super talented karate guy.

00:33:46.000 But Baja Dozada was able to take him down and he just didn't have any answers off his back.

00:33:51.000 It's like one of those examples of a guy who's a really talented striker where you're not getting to see the full extent of his talent because he has a difficult time fighting off his back and he has a difficult time keeping guys from taking him down.

00:34:03.000 Guys are figuring that out with him, and a couple guys have dominated him on the ground.

00:34:08.000 It's just unfortunate, because he's so talented with his striking.

00:34:11.000 When you see a guy like that, you just want to go, man, if you could figure out a way to find balance in your skill set, how good would he be?

00:34:20.000 He's so good standing up.

00:34:21.000 But Bahar Dezada, man, my God, that guy hits hard.

00:34:25.000 He's got one of those weird punching power bodies.

00:34:29.000 It doesn't even make any sense.

00:34:30.000 I'm not familiar with him.

00:34:31.000 He's from Afghanistan.

00:34:32.000 He was born in Afghanistan and grew up in Holland, I think.

00:34:36.000 But he is...

00:34:37.000 I want to say...

00:34:38.000 Who did he train with?

00:34:43.000 Oh, Greg Jackson.

00:34:45.000 He was at Greg Jackson's camp for this.

00:34:46.000 But he's been out for like 800 days.

00:34:48.000 He had some serious injuries, man.

00:34:50.000 How many years is that?

00:34:52.000 Almost three years.

00:34:54.000 Yeah, a little bit more than two years.

00:34:55.000 He had both his labrums had to be operated on, broke his hand, fucked up his back.

00:35:00.000 Which one's the labrum?

00:35:01.000 Inside your shoulder.

00:35:02.000 Oh, shit.

00:35:03.000 He had a bunch of shit operated on.

00:35:05.000 So he was out for a long time.

00:35:07.000 So to see him come back, but to see Thatch in the beginning, you see him on his back, and he almost catches a triangle.

00:35:13.000 He just throws up his legs.

00:35:15.000 And if someone who had a really good triangle, like Nate, if Nate was in that same position, he would have got it.

00:35:20.000 He would have got the triangle for sure.

00:35:21.000 I mean, it was all there.

00:35:22.000 Or at least he would have secured it, and Bahar Dezada would have had to defend it.

00:35:26.000 But he couldn't secure it.

00:35:27.000 I was like, man, it was right there.

00:35:29.000 Like, he had the leg over.

00:35:30.000 He had the other leg here.

00:35:31.000 He was over like this.

00:35:33.000 There wasn't that much resistance.

00:35:34.000 Like, grab your fucking ankle, lock that in.

00:35:36.000 Like, what are you...

00:35:37.000 And he just didn't.

00:35:38.000 And then you see him, for the rest of the fight, was having a real hard time fighting off his back.

00:35:42.000 We see a guy that's that good.

00:35:44.000 He's so talented standing up, man.

00:35:45.000 You watch him throw knees and punches.

00:35:47.000 You're like, Jesus, this kid could be a fucking force.

00:35:51.000 He's just got to really polish up that ground game, especially off of his back.

00:35:56.000 This is a crazy sport, man.

00:35:58.000 You can't just have one way to go anymore.

00:36:01.000 You've got to have the whole thing.

00:36:03.000 There's very few people that are going to exist in this sport at the upper echelons with just one way to go.

00:36:10.000 One of the things that's so scary about a guy like Nate is that Nate's boxing is just as good as his jiu-jitsu.

00:36:18.000 You know, and sometimes you don't see the jiu-jitsu that much because he's so confident in his boxing and he throws down with guys, but guys go to the ground with him.

00:36:27.000 I mean, he's choked out some good dudes.

00:36:29.000 You know, he's fucking good.

00:36:31.000 You gotta have some serious finishing power on the ground, whether it's on your back or you're on top.

00:36:36.000 At least with you on top, you better have finishing power.

00:36:39.000 Maybe you just used your bottom game for sweeps.

00:36:41.000 There's nothing wrong with that.

00:36:43.000 You don't have to finish the guy off your back.

00:36:45.000 But it's always good.

00:36:46.000 It's always better if you're known to finish people off your back.

00:36:53.000 Anytime I roll with anybody, even a purple belt whose specialty is finishing people off his back, there's always those dudes.

00:37:01.000 When I'm going to roll with Jeremiah, I almost rather have them mounting me.

00:37:06.000 If I end up in Jeremiah's guard, I'm going to, fuck that, mount me!

00:37:10.000 It's easier to get out of the mount than it is his rubber guard.

00:37:12.000 Seriously.

00:37:13.000 That's crazy.

00:37:13.000 And there's few guys like that.

00:37:14.000 Like a boogie.

00:37:16.000 Anytime boogie put me in his guard, I go right to the mount!

00:37:19.000 Check out this sweep.

00:37:21.000 You're a bad motherfucker.

00:37:22.000 Boom!

00:37:23.000 That's funny.

00:37:24.000 Isn't that crazy?

00:37:24.000 Because that goes against conventional thinking.

00:37:26.000 Oh, yeah.

00:37:26.000 But I don't have the greatest posture in the world.

00:37:30.000 My lower back's all fucked up.

00:37:31.000 So I don't try to posture out of shit.

00:37:34.000 I go with everything, man.

00:37:35.000 I'm like, you want to go that way?

00:37:37.000 Let's go.

00:37:37.000 And let me see if I can hold on and get a little clinch and then go back this way.

00:37:40.000 Bam!

00:37:42.000 I'm too old to...

00:37:45.000 Force my way through anything.

00:37:47.000 That's probably the smart way to do it though, right?

00:37:49.000 That's the traditional way of jiu-jitsu.

00:37:52.000 My jiu-jitsu is becoming better survival now.

00:37:54.000 My guys are fucking me up now.

00:37:56.000 There's this phase where I'm getting tapped out all the goddamn time now, man.

00:38:00.000 The only way I can tap out my certain purple belts is if I have gas.

00:38:05.000 If I'm tired and I take a round with one of my purple belts, I'll be fucking...

00:38:11.000 On survival mode the whole time, man.

00:38:13.000 My guys are coming with fire now.

00:38:16.000 You leave your feet out.

00:38:16.000 Throwing leg locks.

00:38:17.000 Damn.

00:38:19.000 It's pretty crazy now.

00:38:20.000 You getting any leg injuries?

00:38:22.000 No.

00:38:23.000 No.

00:38:23.000 No?

00:38:24.000 No.

00:38:24.000 Just my back.

00:38:25.000 Finally getting that displacement.

00:38:26.000 But I mean other people in class getting any knee injuries or anything?

00:38:28.000 No.

00:38:29.000 It's a myth.

00:38:30.000 It's a myth.

00:38:30.000 Really?

00:38:31.000 That's interesting.

00:38:31.000 You'll hurt your arm or your shoulder.

00:38:33.000 At the same rate, you'll hurt your knee.

00:38:34.000 We do leg locks all the goddamn time.

00:38:37.000 That's so interesting because that was always the worry.

00:38:39.000 Tung Planet has always been that way.

00:38:40.000 We never banned reaping.

00:38:42.000 I never frowned upon heel hooks.

00:38:44.000 I personally never got really heavy on heel hooks.

00:38:46.000 I was always heavy on leg compressions, a different style leg lock.

00:38:50.000 I was always doing those.

00:38:51.000 Not really heel hooks so much, but we've always had heel hook masters.

00:38:56.000 I wouldn't have asked that if that wasn't something that comes up all the time when people talk about leg locks.

00:39:03.000 I know the answer, because if it was, I would have heard about it.

00:39:06.000 I think it's a myth that leg locks are...

00:39:09.000 When we were brought up in jiu-jitsu, the whole Brazilian jiu-jitsu community banned heel hooks and frowned upon them.

00:39:17.000 Do you remember that?

00:39:18.000 Was that the time you were at a tournament and they started booing and screaming when you went for a guy's leg?

00:39:23.000 Yes.

00:39:23.000 When I first, during my white belt years and into my blue belt years, I saw Ken Shamrock instructional.

00:39:30.000 He's wearing jeans and shit and he's got no shirt and he's wearing jeans.

00:39:33.000 And he's like in this small little gym and he's got this Japanese guy and he's doing this toehold from the top, from top half.

00:39:41.000 And I was always playing half guard right away as a white belt.

00:39:44.000 That's like the worst guard ever is a quarter guard.

00:39:46.000 I mean, it doesn't get any worse than that.

00:39:48.000 Anything worse is you got your guard pass.

00:39:50.000 So I was always playing the worst shit because it was small and weak.

00:39:55.000 But...

00:39:59.000 You would go after toeholds?

00:40:00.000 Yeah.

00:40:01.000 I learned it from Ken Shamrock, started going after toeholds, and I got pretty good at them.

00:40:05.000 I was tapping motherfuckers with them.

00:40:06.000 And I did this tournament.

00:40:08.000 It was the first Pan Ams, and it was in L.A. and El Segundo, 1996 or 97, the first Pan Ams.

00:40:16.000 I went for a toehold, and there was about...

00:40:21.000 500 Brazilians that they shipped in because it was the first Pan Ams and there was like this big retreat and they had them all in this hotel right down the street from the gym and it was mayhem and shit.

00:40:31.000 I'll never forget that.

00:40:32.000 We were in El Segundo in LA and there was 500 Brazilians that got shipped in for the Pan Ams.

00:40:38.000 And, of course, they dominated and they killed everybody in jiu-jitsu.

00:40:42.000 But I did wrestle a Brazilian and I put them in a toehold.

00:40:44.000 And as soon as I put them in a toehold, the whole crowd went nuts.

00:40:48.000 It was a riot almost happened.

00:40:50.000 It was just a riot.

00:40:52.000 I don't know what stopped them, but they were throwing shoes at the mat.

00:40:55.000 They were throwing water bottles at me.

00:40:59.000 And I was sitting there holding the toehold and everyone's screaming.

00:41:02.000 And I'll never forget Johnny Machado comes running in slow motion and he slides.

00:41:05.000 He goes, you gotta.

00:41:06.000 Let it go!

00:41:07.000 Let it go!

00:41:08.000 And I was like, fuck, and I let it go.

00:41:10.000 And then the guy beat me on points.

00:41:13.000 So Johnny Machado slid in and told you you gotta let it go because everybody was going crazy.

00:41:17.000 Yeah, everyone was going crazy.

00:41:18.000 You weren't supposed to attack the legs back then.

00:41:19.000 You weren't supposed to attack.

00:41:20.000 It was dirty.

00:41:21.000 Isn't that crazy?

00:41:21.000 It was dirty back then.

00:41:22.000 And then in the parking lot, like that Mean Joe Green commercial.

00:41:25.000 Remember that old Mean Joe Green commercial where he's drinking a Coke and there's like a little kid?

00:41:29.000 Yeah.

00:41:30.000 Well, I felt like a little kid because I ran into Eric Paulson in the parking lot and he was getting the same reaction when he was going for leg locks and he was like a blue belt at the time.

00:41:38.000 And I think we're the same age, but for some reason I always felt like a little kid and he had all this knowledge.

00:41:44.000 He was a blue belt in jiu-jitsu, but he had trained in Japan and fought in chudo and shit.

00:41:48.000 He was already like a professional fighter and was an expert at leg locks who just got into jiu-jitsu.

00:41:54.000 So he's competing at a blue belt, fucking everybody up with leg locks.

00:41:57.000 It's Eric Paulson, young ass Eric Paulson, 24. And we're in the parking lot and he showed me this leg lock.

00:42:03.000 And he goes, listen, check this out, man.

00:42:05.000 Don't forget this.

00:42:05.000 Because he saw a little of him in me because I was going for a toehold.

00:42:10.000 He goes, oh fuck, look at that dude.

00:42:12.000 He's getting a lot of heat too.

00:42:14.000 Because he's going for a leg lock.

00:42:15.000 So right away...

00:42:16.000 But it was totally legal.

00:42:17.000 That's what's crazy.

00:42:18.000 You could have tapped the guy out and it would have been legal.

00:42:21.000 I don't remember what the rules said.

00:42:21.000 Yeah.

00:42:21.000 I don't know.

00:42:23.000 I don't remember.

00:42:24.000 So it might not have been legal.

00:42:26.000 I thought they were legal and maybe it was illegal.

00:42:28.000 But even if it was illegal, the crowd erupted.

00:42:31.000 The Brazilians went nuts and were throwing shoes and screaming.

00:42:34.000 Today, though, it's illegal for some belt ranks, right?

00:42:38.000 Like in some tournaments?

00:42:39.000 Yeah.

00:42:40.000 You can't do heel hooks.

00:42:42.000 Gracie Nationals and Gracie Worlds, you can do heel hooks at purple belt and above.

00:42:47.000 White belt and blue belt, no heel hooks.

00:42:50.000 You could do straight ankle locks and knee bars at blue and no legs at all at white.

00:42:54.000 Zero legs at white, straight ankle locks, knee bars, leg compression at blue, and then they allow heel hooks, full reaping and everything, purple belt on.

00:43:04.000 Those are the best rules.

00:43:05.000 I love those rules.

00:43:06.000 You don't need heel hooks for blue belts.

00:43:08.000 But like Naga, they let everybody heel hook.

00:43:11.000 And there's not this big epidemic going on where people are just getting their knees just ripped off.

00:43:18.000 Not at any 10th Planet School.

00:43:19.000 Every now and then someone does get a knee injury, just like they do get an arm injury or shoulder injury.

00:43:24.000 Sometimes people get put on a heel hook and it fucks their knee up.

00:43:27.000 Sometimes, but sometimes it happens with the arm at the same rate.

00:43:30.000 We do heel hooks all the time.

00:43:31.000 No one's getting...

00:43:32.000 Every now and then someone gets hurt, but it's just part of the game.

00:43:35.000 But every now and then someone gets hurt from everything.

00:43:38.000 Yeah.

00:43:39.000 If people were to get, trust me, as a businessman, if I saw that I'm walking around every night and I'm looking at what's going on, I know exactly who's playing what, everyone's different style.

00:43:52.000 Especially at the purple belt level.

00:43:54.000 I pretty much know where they're coming from.

00:43:57.000 No one's getting hurt.

00:43:58.000 Everyone's doing heel hooks.

00:44:01.000 Man, it's a different motherfucking world when you're going against leg lock experts that know jujitsu.

00:44:10.000 Like guys like Eddie Cummings.

00:44:11.000 Yeah.

00:44:12.000 And Gary Tonin, like black belted jujitsu that are fucking hyper, super, ultra leg locky.

00:44:19.000 Yeah.

00:44:20.000 Holy shit.

00:44:21.000 You better watch your shit.

00:44:23.000 So if you are not training leg locks, leg locks, you know, when everything, when it's submission only, when there's not all these stupid rules, when they just, when it's just like that jujitsu that you fell in love with.

00:44:34.000 Everybody falls in love with the jujitsu that they walk into their dojo and then they train for the first day and they fucking love it.

00:44:41.000 They love it!

00:44:42.000 And they fell in love with what happened and what goes on every night in that class.

00:44:48.000 There's no point.

00:44:49.000 People are just rolling in there trying to get the submission.

00:44:52.000 That's what you fall in love with.

00:44:53.000 What you see at a tournament, that's not what you fall in love with.

00:44:56.000 No one goes to a jiu-jitsu tournament for the first fucking time and says, I love this, I'm gonna do this.

00:45:00.000 They fucking run.

00:45:02.000 They're gone.

00:45:04.000 That's how you turn people off to jujitsu.

00:45:06.000 Their first experience is a points tournament where there's 12 matches going on at the same time.

00:45:11.000 We'll see how long that lasts.

00:45:13.000 People that like jujitsu can't even hang.

00:45:15.000 Well, especially when it's with the gi.

00:45:17.000 Exactly.

00:45:18.000 They'll be like, fuck this.

00:45:20.000 They're playing tug-of-war this whole fucking time.

00:45:21.000 Jean-Jacques thinks it's boring.

00:45:23.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:45:24.000 John Jacques is like, hey, it's so boring.

00:45:27.000 So many guys are just trying to get advantages and trying to score a point and hold on.

00:45:32.000 I think the rules that you set up for EBI are the best rules.

00:45:36.000 They're the best rules because you go a certain amount of time.

00:45:39.000 What is it, 10 minutes?

00:45:40.000 How many minutes are you?

00:45:41.000 10-minute matches.

00:45:41.000 16-man tournament.

00:45:44.000 10-minute matches with overtime.

00:45:46.000 No points, no advantages, all submission.

00:45:48.000 You have to get the submission, you know?

00:45:50.000 Yeah, and what's really interesting is you've got this idea that, you know, until I saw it, I was not sure what to think of it.

00:45:57.000 I was like, hmm, all right, I don't know.

00:45:59.000 I don't know how the hell I was going to do this.

00:46:00.000 The overtime on paper sounds crazy.

00:46:02.000 On paper, it sounds crazy, but in practice, it's the best thing.

00:46:05.000 Because if you watch a jiu-jitsu match, one of the things that happens if you're a casual observer, if you watch a Marcelo Garcia, some guy just attacks and strangles somebody like, whoa, that was amazing.

00:46:16.000 That guy's awesome.

00:46:17.000 I've showed some people that don't ever do jiu-jitsu.

00:46:20.000 I've showed them a Marcelo Garcia match, and you watch them choke somebody, and it's so spectacular to watch because his movements are so impressive.

00:46:27.000 They're so fast and lethal.

00:46:29.000 You know, but a lot of jujitsu matches will end in nothing.

00:46:33.000 Some guy gets on top, and then he reverses the guy.

00:46:35.000 Guy goes for a leg lock, he doesn't get it.

00:46:37.000 Guy goes for a choke, he doesn't get it.

00:46:38.000 The other guy winds up on top, they reverse positions, and you run out of time.

00:46:42.000 So when you run out of time like that, for a lot of people, it feels inconclusive.

00:46:45.000 So you decide you're going to have...

00:46:47.000 How many different rounds of it do they do?

00:46:50.000 Four rounds?

00:46:51.000 What's the most amount of rounds of overtime they can do?

00:46:53.000 Well, first off, let me say that there's nothing wrong with the point game.

00:47:00.000 If you like the point game, there's fucking nothing wrong.

00:47:03.000 You get really good at it.

00:47:04.000 You know what?

00:47:04.000 You're going to get good at passing, and you're going to get good at sweeping, and your wrestling's going to be good.

00:47:08.000 Nothing wrong with that.

00:47:09.000 It's just good jujitsu.

00:47:10.000 It's like a little subculture, cerebral type thing, positional thing.

00:47:16.000 Fucking nothing wrong with that.

00:47:17.000 You could use that as a training tool.

00:47:18.000 Like getting good at points tournaments just because you're going to work on your passing and your sweeping and you might as well do points.

00:47:27.000 And for MMA, if you're lethal with punches and you like to do that, it's not a bad strategy at all.

00:47:32.000 Yeah, there's nothing wrong with that.

00:47:34.000 I'm not trying to stomp that out.

00:47:36.000 I'm not trying to compete against that at all.

00:47:40.000 Let me explain what you do, though.

00:47:40.000 It's a beautiful thing.

00:47:42.000 My goal has always been to create a jiu-jitsu show, and I thought it would have been done by now, and a lot of people have tried, to put a jiu-jitsu show together that's so exciting that it can compete on the overall entertainment value with an MMA show,

00:47:58.000 like your average MMA show.

00:48:00.000 I go, jiu-jitsu is so beautiful.

00:48:03.000 We're obsessed with it.

00:48:05.000 Why can't we?

00:48:06.000 What's going wrong?

00:48:07.000 What's going wrong?

00:48:08.000 There's been a Professional Submission League.

00:48:10.000 Hickson even had a show.

00:48:12.000 There's Metamorris.

00:48:13.000 There's Polaris.

00:48:14.000 I mean, none of these shows, including mine, including mine, none of these shows are making any money.

00:48:20.000 I haven't made any goddamn money with my show.

00:48:22.000 We all know that in the jiu-jitsu community.

00:48:24.000 There's no money there.

00:48:26.000 These shows fail constantly.

00:48:27.000 What is it about it?

00:48:29.000 But they're works of passion.

00:48:30.000 And that's the reason why they're still around.

00:48:32.000 Like when you go to an EBI and you're in the audience, that is an audience of jujitsu enthusiasts.

00:48:37.000 Like everybody is pumped.

00:48:39.000 They're all very excited to be there.

00:48:40.000 And there's a feeling of a camaraderie in that kind of a crowd that's very different than a crowd that just comes out to see like a UFC event.

00:48:48.000 Because a lot of the people in the audience at a UFC are gigantic fans.

00:48:52.000 A lot of them are fucking fanatical.

00:48:53.000 A lot of them are like you and me.

00:48:55.000 A lot of them.

00:48:56.000 But there's a lot of other people that are just there because it's an event.

00:48:59.000 There's a lot of other people that goes there because it's a scene.

00:49:01.000 There's a lot of people that are on their phone half the time.

00:49:03.000 They're not even paying attention to the fights.

00:49:04.000 This is that too.

00:49:05.000 At an EBI... There's none of that.

00:49:08.000 It's all jujitsu freaks.

00:49:10.000 Everybody knows.

00:49:10.000 And everybody's clapping for everything.

00:49:12.000 Everybody knows when a heel hooks close.

00:49:14.000 Everybody knows when a choke is close.

00:49:15.000 Everybody knows.

00:49:16.000 Everybody knows what's going on.

00:49:17.000 Everybody knows when a guy cinches up a triangle.

00:49:19.000 Everybody knows.

00:49:20.000 So there's a beauty to that.

00:49:21.000 But let me explain what you do, because we didn't finish it.

00:49:23.000 You have overtime.

00:49:24.000 So when a fight goes to a draw, like at the end of it, the time runs out, what you do is you take these guys and you force them into dangerous positions.

00:49:33.000 So you force a guy on a guy's back.

00:49:35.000 With over, under, and you start from there.

00:49:37.000 You say, ready?

00:49:38.000 Go.

00:49:39.000 And when you do that, then the guy on the bottom tries to get out.

00:49:42.000 The guy on the top in the good position tries to finish.

00:49:44.000 If the guy finishes, you move on to another round and the other guy tries to do it.

00:49:48.000 If he can't finish him, the guy who finished him won.

00:49:51.000 But he gets his chance in a bad position as well.

00:49:54.000 But if you have a stalemate over the rounds of that, you just count out the time.

00:49:59.000 Who got out the quickest?

00:50:01.000 Which guy escaped from the other guy's bad positions the quickest?

00:50:05.000 And you calculate the time.

00:50:06.000 Well, traditionally, in overtime, with jiu-jitsu matches, it usually came down to wrestling, who had the better wrestling, because if there would be overtime, there's no points or whatever, they go into overtime, there's three-minute overtime, five-minute overtime, or sudden death, whoever gets the first points wins.

00:50:21.000 It's really going to come down to who has the best wrestling, because that overtime period, they both start on their feet.

00:50:27.000 So what's the most important thing on your feet is the wrestling here.

00:50:31.000 That's going to determine overall...

00:50:34.000 The superior wrestlers are going to win.

00:50:37.000 That's always been the case, really, in all the overtimes.

00:50:39.000 It always comes down to the wrestling, generally.

00:50:41.000 So I never really was a fan of that, because I've seen plenty of wrestlers in submission tournaments not know anything about submitting, but they'll run away with the gold medals just based on their wrestling.

00:50:51.000 And that's a beautiful thing.

00:50:52.000 I wish I had that wrestling.

00:50:53.000 But when it's a submission or jujitsu tournament, The best jujitsu should win, not the best wrestling.

00:51:03.000 The best jujitsu, the best at submitting should win.

00:51:06.000 A guy like Marcelo Garcia should win.

00:51:09.000 The overtime should make it so the best wins, generally.

00:51:13.000 So instead of starting on the feet, my overtime rounds, we start in terrible positions.

00:51:18.000 And it's like extra innings.

00:51:19.000 If we were going at it and we went into overtime, you'd get a shot at my back And then I'll get a shot at your back.

00:51:27.000 If you finished me, it's not over yet.

00:51:29.000 I get a shot at your back.

00:51:30.000 If I finish you, we tie.

00:51:31.000 We go an extra inning.

00:51:33.000 It's an extra round.

00:51:34.000 Three max.

00:51:35.000 But it could end in that first round.

00:51:35.000 Three max.

00:51:37.000 It could end in the second round.

00:51:38.000 If it goes all three rounds and we're still tied, whether it's a submission each or an escape each and another escape, and that's three total, or all escapes, we add a All the combined escape and submission times together and whoever had the quickest or shortest time wins.

00:51:57.000 So it encourages that when you're on my back that I'm not going to just sit there and just hold the choke.

00:52:01.000 You should try to get the fuck out because if this goes to a triple overtime, this is going to matter.

00:52:08.000 So what it does is it opens up a submission for the guy because the guy has to escape.

00:52:12.000 If it's confusing, you can go see it live.

00:52:16.000 You can see it on YouTube, right?

00:52:18.000 UFC Fight Pass.

00:52:19.000 You can see EBI4. That's where we're at now.

00:52:21.000 But the ones that you have now, there are some matches online.

00:52:23.000 If somebody wants to go and look at it right now, right?

00:52:25.000 Yes.

00:52:25.000 And then the new one, the next one, the absolute one, this big crazy one, is going to be in April in LA. Sunday, April 24th.

00:52:33.000 Is that the 4th?

00:52:34.000 April 24th.

00:52:35.000 And that's an absolute one, right?

00:52:37.000 Where you have all sorts of different weight classes represented.

00:52:41.000 Yes.

00:52:42.000 I'm sorry, dude.

00:52:43.000 What are you doing?

00:52:44.000 I want to make sure I got the day right.

00:52:46.000 Yeah, Sunday, April 24th, downtown LA at the Orpheum.

00:52:50.000 It's going to be streamed live on UFC Fight Pass.

00:52:53.000 Orpheum is an awesome theater, too, if you've never been.

00:52:56.000 It's one of those old, classic downtown LA theaters.

00:52:59.000 It's probably from the 30s or something, right?

00:53:02.000 When did they build that?

00:53:03.000 I don't know.

00:53:04.000 It's awesome.

00:53:05.000 It's awesome.

00:53:06.000 So to watch your show there, dude, it's so cool.

00:53:09.000 It's so cool to see it blowing up.

00:53:12.000 Like last time we were there, we're sitting in the audience like, whoa.

00:53:16.000 This is amazing.

00:53:17.000 It's crazy, right?

00:53:18.000 It's amazing.

00:53:19.000 I couldn't have done it without my partner Victor Davila.

00:53:23.000 He's the one guy.

00:53:24.000 I never wanted to be a promoter, man.

00:53:26.000 That's not something I ever thought I'd ever be, like a promoter for a show.

00:53:30.000 That's not what I was trying to do.

00:53:31.000 I was trying to come up with an idea that, like, Give it to another promoter to do it.

00:53:35.000 But nobody, everyone thought it was the dumbest idea.

00:53:39.000 They thought I was losing my mind.

00:53:40.000 They thought I smoked too much weed.

00:53:42.000 So then I thought, you know what?

00:53:45.000 I'm going to try to do it.

00:53:47.000 But the problem was, it was too much work.

00:53:50.000 I looked into it and I'm like, I can't do this shit.

00:53:53.000 But Victor came in, Victor Davila, he's the Spanish commentator for the UFC, came up to me and he said, hey listen, let me do all the work.

00:54:01.000 It'll be your idea.

00:54:02.000 You run the show as an executive producer.

00:54:05.000 Let me produce it.

00:54:06.000 I'll make it all happen.

00:54:07.000 And I'm like, fuck.

00:54:08.000 And he makes it really easy for me.

00:54:10.000 That's awesome.

00:54:10.000 When you walked in and saw the stage, I didn't have anything to do with that.

00:54:15.000 He's got a background in production.

00:54:17.000 I mean, working on television, he knows a lot of shit.

00:54:20.000 He's such a good dude, man.

00:54:21.000 Victor's awesome.

00:54:22.000 He's one of my greatest friends ever, man.

00:54:24.000 He's the best.

00:54:27.000 We've known him forever, too, man.

00:54:29.000 When did we meet Victor?

00:54:31.000 Working at the UFC. But when?

00:54:33.000 What year was it?

00:54:36.000 That must have been 2008-ish, 2009-ish, something like that.

00:54:41.000 I think it was even earlier than that.

00:54:44.000 I think it was like 2006 or 2007, I want to say.

00:54:48.000 I thought he was like four years old.

00:54:50.000 His son was a big Brock Lesnar fan.

00:54:52.000 It was back in the Brock Lesnar days.

00:54:54.000 That's what I remember for sure.

00:54:56.000 Yeah, there was definitely some...

00:54:57.000 That kid's awesome, man.

00:54:59.000 And he's training a lot now too, right?

00:55:02.000 Yes, yes.

00:55:03.000 He broke his arm, so he's been out a little while and stuff.

00:55:07.000 He's an EBI associate producer.

00:55:11.000 Did he break his arm in training?

00:55:12.000 Yep.

00:55:13.000 Arm crush.

00:55:14.000 Arm crush.

00:55:15.000 Arm crush is scary.

00:55:17.000 Yep.

00:55:17.000 That's a scary one.

00:55:19.000 That's one of my favorites.

00:55:21.000 Arm crush is one of my favorites.

00:55:23.000 You rarely see it in MMA. You know, rarely.

00:55:26.000 So unusual.

00:55:27.000 When was the last time you saw a bicep crush in MMA? I think George Sotteropoulos did it.

00:55:32.000 Did he?

00:55:33.000 I think so.

00:55:34.000 Back in the day when we used to work together.

00:55:36.000 I think he did it on George Roop.

00:55:38.000 I don't know.

00:55:39.000 I get the names all mixed up.

00:55:44.000 It's a crazy sport, man.

00:55:46.000 There's nothing crazier than MMA. I mean, you watch the combination of punching, kicking, and choking each other.

00:55:52.000 You're seeing a lot more guys go for leg locks now.

00:55:56.000 You notice that?

00:55:57.000 Oh, yeah.

00:55:57.000 In the last UFC, there was a guy, he didn't pull anything off, though, but forget who he was, but he was all over dude's legs.

00:56:04.000 And he couldn't get hit in a lot of angles, you know.

00:56:07.000 Back.

00:56:08.000 You talking about, was it a Darren Elkins fight?

00:56:13.000 Yeah.

00:56:14.000 Maybe.

00:56:16.000 Fuck, who was he fighting?

00:56:18.000 Maybe.

00:56:19.000 It was a great fight for Elkins.

00:56:19.000 God damn it.

00:56:21.000 Why can't I remember who the hell he was fighting?

00:56:23.000 Too many people in that last card.

00:56:25.000 This weekend?

00:56:26.000 Yeah.

00:56:26.000 Skelly, I think?

00:56:27.000 That's right.

00:56:27.000 Chaz Skelly.

00:56:29.000 I think Chaz was like 4-1 in the UFC, and Elkins just dominated him.

00:56:34.000 Elkins moved to Sacramento, trained with Alpha Male, moved his family, said, fuck it, I gotta make a run at this shit.

00:56:41.000 Is this the fight that I'm talking about?

00:56:42.000 Yeah, I think so.

00:56:43.000 Yeah.

00:56:44.000 And Elkins just ground and pounded him.

00:56:46.000 There was a couple times where he was going for Elkins' legs, but Elkins just ground and pounded his shit.

00:56:50.000 I think you're gonna see a lot more leg locks now.

00:56:51.000 I think with Ryan Hall in there, there's...

00:56:54.000 No matter what, you gotta watch your legs.

00:56:56.000 Whether you can punch a guy in his face or not, you gotta watch your legs with Ryan Hall.

00:57:01.000 He'll take your leg off real quick.

00:57:02.000 I think everybody's aware, too, of the trend in jiu-jitsu.

00:57:06.000 And Gary Tonin's talking about...

00:57:07.000 I mean, he's gonna do MMA. It's strange seeing Ryan Hall in there.

00:57:12.000 You know, it's strange because he's always been the jiu-jitsu guy, you know?

00:57:15.000 And we're going to see him.

00:57:17.000 He would do the MMA and he's in there now and he's throwing down and he's making some waves.

00:57:21.000 Yeah, Gary Tonin is going to be really interesting because he's been striking for quite a while, like really trying to tighten it up, really working on getting that in order.

00:57:29.000 And he's a smart guy.

00:57:30.000 He's not going to jump into anything like kind of half-assed.

00:57:33.000 He'll have his striking in order before he has his first fight.

00:57:35.000 He'll get some leg locks.

00:57:36.000 Oh, yeah.

00:57:37.000 For sure in MMA. Yeah.

00:57:38.000 Well, he'll get a lot of chokes.

00:57:39.000 He'll get everything.

00:57:40.000 Yep.

00:57:41.000 He's a bad motherfucker when it comes to jiu-jitsu and only getting better.

00:57:44.000 Yep.

00:57:45.000 I think the MMA fighters are always aware of trends, you know?

00:57:48.000 And the big trend in jiu-jitsu, it's not like they're not going to pay attention to that.

00:57:52.000 There's obviously a leg lock bias going on right now in jiu-jitsu where people are training that really heavily.

00:57:57.000 They realize...

00:57:58.000 I think there's a bunch of people kind of knew leg locks and were good at leg locks.

00:58:03.000 But it seems like once Donaher and that crew got involved in it, there became like a whole new level of intensity when it comes to leg locks.

00:58:15.000 Absolutely.

00:58:16.000 Donaher's crew.

00:58:17.000 Gary Tonin, Eddie Cummings, and now Gordon Ryan.

00:58:20.000 He just got his black belt from Tonin.

00:58:22.000 And that all started from Dean Lister, right?

00:58:25.000 That all started from Dean Lister.

00:58:26.000 Yep, yep.

00:58:27.000 Dean Lister went down to Henzo's for a couple weeks, hung out with Danaher, showed him a lot of leg-lock shit.

00:58:32.000 I'm sure he probably leg-locked a lot of the upper-level guys and made an impression.

00:58:37.000 And then Danaher, he's like an astrophysicist.

00:58:42.000 He probably took that shit that Dean Lister told him and just...

00:58:48.000 Just blew it up.

00:58:50.000 He's such a wizard.

00:58:51.000 Just added so much stuff.

00:58:52.000 And then Eddie Cummings is super smart too.

00:58:54.000 So he's taking all the shit.

00:58:56.000 Danaher showed him and he's adding a lot of shit.

00:58:58.000 Passed it all on to Gary Tonin.

00:58:59.000 And Gary Tonin already had rear naked chokes.

00:59:02.000 He already had great defense.

00:59:04.000 His jiu-jitsu is solid as fuck.

00:59:06.000 He added leg locks over the last few years and now fuck.

00:59:09.000 He's a fucking...

00:59:10.000 You want to hear something even crazier than that?

00:59:12.000 I go to Donaher.

00:59:13.000 I go, how did Eddie Cummings hurt his leg?

00:59:15.000 He goes, well, he was rolling with some of the other students that we have in the gym that might be a little bit more advanced than him with leg locks.

00:59:21.000 They just don't use them yet.

00:59:23.000 They don't compete.

00:59:25.000 And I was like, what?

00:59:26.000 You got guys in your gym that don't compete that are better than Eddie Cummings at leg locks?

00:59:30.000 You know how scary that is?

00:59:31.000 Oh, shit.

00:59:31.000 He said that?

00:59:31.000 Yeah.

00:59:32.000 You know how scary that is?

00:59:33.000 Yeah.

00:59:34.000 With the way John Donaher says it, very definitive.

00:59:37.000 Perhaps we have guys...

00:59:37.000 Yeah.

00:59:39.000 Maybe a little bit more advanced than him.

00:59:41.000 They just...

00:59:42.000 They don't compete.

00:59:44.000 There's two kind of games now, man.

00:59:45.000 There's that because...

00:59:48.000 You can shut down a leg lock game, but you got to have a solid, clinching, top-heavy game.

00:59:56.000 You got to have that slow, smashing, destroying game to stop those leg locks.

01:00:01.000 Who's the best at stopping leg locks right now with that game?

01:00:04.000 Well, I'd have to say, I don't know who the best is, but I would say in Abu Dhabi, Lucas Lepre.

01:00:11.000 Lucas Lepre.

01:00:13.000 He went against Gary Tonin, and he...

01:00:18.000 Just hit him with a straight knee cut pass with that underhook and just didn't finish him, but he stayed out of leg lock danger and he won on points.

01:00:27.000 When was this?

01:00:28.000 This is his last year.

01:00:28.000 His last year?

01:00:29.000 That's impressive.

01:00:30.000 So, I mean, technically he beat Gary Tonin.

01:00:33.000 Technically he avoided all the shit, smashed him down.

01:00:36.000 I think he passed his guard.

01:00:37.000 May have even took his back even, to tell you the truth.

01:00:40.000 I don't remember.

01:00:41.000 I shouldn't say that.

01:00:43.000 But, um, nonetheless, though, he, uh, That's one kind of game right there, because he for sure wasn't going to start playing leg locks with Gary Tonin.

01:00:53.000 Fuck no.

01:00:54.000 He knew the game was like, we gotta stay away from that shit.

01:00:57.000 And you gotta know how to stay away, and you gotta be able to put some heat on someone's leg locks.

01:01:04.000 You gotta know how to get out of leg locks.

01:01:05.000 If you're not working leg locks all the goddamn time, you're gonna be so far behind.

01:01:10.000 You really, really are.

01:01:12.000 It's a whole new world growing out there.

01:01:15.000 And in the sub-only world, Submission-only community, if you don't know leg locks, you will never survive.

01:01:24.000 Isn't that interesting?

01:01:25.000 You will never survive.

01:01:26.000 So go back just to when you were competing in the tournament as a white belt and people screaming and booing when you're going for a leg lock.

01:01:33.000 Could you imagine what it's like today, 2016?

01:01:36.000 Nobody saw this coming.

01:01:37.000 Yeah, but there's still tons of resistance on leg locks, still.

01:01:42.000 That's amazing.

01:01:43.000 Yeah, there's still jiu-jitsu instructors out there posting anti-leg lock stuff.

01:01:49.000 You know what?

01:01:50.000 The problem is, the legs are the strongest muscles in the body, right?

01:01:54.000 The legs are attached to the longest limbs.

01:01:57.000 You can move them in ways you can never move your arms.

01:02:00.000 You realize how limited your arms are When you're not using your legs to go after legs and to hold positions, you realize how it's kind of silly almost to use your arms as opposed to your legs.

01:02:11.000 Most of the community looks at it in a negative way.

01:02:14.000 It's a positive thing.

01:02:15.000 You have a whole other game to learn.

01:02:18.000 It's a whole other game.

01:02:19.000 But that's the problem.

01:02:20.000 They don't want to learn the whole new game.

01:02:22.000 You know, people get really good at one thing.

01:02:24.000 They get really good at one thing, and then they want to stick with that shit.

01:02:27.000 Yeah.

01:02:27.000 That's really what it is.

01:02:28.000 They've got to get through that.

01:02:29.000 Isn't that amazing, though, that the very thing that made Jiu-Jitsu so popular in the first place was that it had figured out a way to make something the most technically effective, where a small guy like Hoyce can beat a big guy like Dan Severin.

01:02:42.000 It was using the techniques that work.

01:02:45.000 But then these new techniques that work, they're like, nope, I don't know those.

01:02:48.000 No.

01:02:49.000 You gotta stick to the old shit.

01:02:51.000 Only the old ones.

01:02:52.000 Like, that's bullshit.

01:02:53.000 We just gotta figure out how to defend against these leg locks.

01:02:55.000 Let's get the other boys.

01:02:57.000 Let's work this through.

01:02:58.000 Fuck this Muay Thai kickboxing shit.

01:03:00.000 That's never gonna catch on.

01:03:01.000 I mean, there was a lot of trends.

01:03:03.000 There was a point in time where people weren't throwing any head kicks.

01:03:07.000 Dean Lister's going to do this next EBI, EBI6. Dean Lister.

01:03:11.000 Vinny Migales, who's one of those rare Brazilians who's really into Sambo, too.

01:03:16.000 He's been preaching leg locks, and he's very good at leg locks.

01:03:19.000 Very good.

01:03:19.000 Yeah, amongst many other things.

01:03:22.000 Vinny's good at everything.

01:03:23.000 Vinny.

01:03:24.000 We got Yuri Samoes.

01:03:26.000 He's awesome.

01:03:27.000 He won Abu Dhabi, right?

01:03:30.000 He was...

01:03:32.000 I don't remember.

01:03:32.000 I don't know.

01:03:33.000 I mean, that's a shitty answer for someone who's putting him on the show.

01:03:37.000 All I know is he's really good and he fought in Abu Dhabi.

01:03:41.000 And he's a 205, right?

01:03:43.000 Can you find that out, Jamie?

01:03:45.000 Y-U-R-Y. Simone.

01:03:45.000 Yuri.

01:03:45.000 Spell it.

01:03:47.000 Y-U-R-I-S-I-M-O-E-S. Yuri Simone.

01:03:54.000 Yeah, there's so much high-level talent now.

01:03:57.000 Matias Diniz, he's from Marcelo Garcia, he's in it.

01:04:02.000 Bruno Bastos is in it.

01:04:03.000 These are like high-level dudes, man.

01:04:05.000 Yeah, so if you listen, if you're thinking about like, man, I never watched a Jiu-Jitsu tournament before, but the way these guys are talking about, it's making my dick hard.

01:04:11.000 This is what you do.

01:04:12.000 You go on UFC Fight Pass.

01:04:14.000 If you don't have UFC Fight Pass, if you like fights, man, this is the...

01:04:18.000 Is this him?

01:04:19.000 Yeah.

01:04:20.000 He's one of the best guys in the world.

01:04:22.000 This next one, we're stacked now, man.

01:04:26.000 Yep, he won the Abu Dhabi, right?

01:04:28.000 Does it say?

01:04:29.000 Did he win?

01:04:29.000 Yeah.

01:04:30.000 Abu Dhabi champion, first thing.

01:04:33.000 Oh, shit.

01:04:34.000 2015. I'm an idiot, dude.

01:04:36.000 He's a bad motherfucker.

01:04:37.000 Anyway, multiple-time world champion as a purple belt and an absolute...

01:04:42.000 He's just a bad motherfucker all around.

01:04:44.000 But what I was saying is if you've never watched a submission tournament, you've never seen guys try to submit each other, you're like, this sounds kind of interesting.

01:04:51.000 Get UFC Fight Pass.

01:04:52.000 I'm telling you, I don't want to sound like a shill.

01:04:55.000 I wish UFC would offer up like a free month of UFC Fight Pass so people would get addicted to it.

01:05:00.000 But if you're at home and you're bored and you're like, I don't know what to watch.

01:05:04.000 What's on TV? You just feel like vegging out in front of the television.

01:05:07.000 UFC Fight Pass will occupy your fucking time.

01:05:10.000 You can find the greatest fights of all time.

01:05:13.000 All of them.

01:05:13.000 And we're doing five shows a year with them.

01:05:16.000 They want five, at least.

01:05:17.000 So we gotta pump them out every two months.

01:05:17.000 That's amazing.

01:05:19.000 Bah, bah.

01:05:20.000 And on top of that, you know, you got the people that are UFC fans that are gonna leak into it.

01:05:26.000 You know, that's a big one.

01:05:27.000 Yeah.

01:05:27.000 And they have a ton of different organizations as well.

01:05:30.000 They even have Glory now.

01:05:31.000 Yep.

01:05:32.000 So cool.

01:05:33.000 Gary Tonin and Eddie Cummings are both in this absolute.

01:05:37.000 DJ Jackson, Richie Martinez, Amir Alam, Rustam Chesiev.

01:05:45.000 He was in Abu Dhabi.

01:05:46.000 I think he was second or third.

01:05:47.000 This guy's a fucking huge wrestler.

01:05:51.000 Rustam Chesiev.

01:05:52.000 He's got hair on his back.

01:05:54.000 He's just fucking...

01:05:55.000 Spell his name to Jamie so you can pull up the video.

01:05:57.000 R-U-S-T-A-M C-H-S-E-E-V. C-H-S-E-I-E-V. This guy's an animal!

01:06:11.000 Yeah.

01:06:11.000 He's like what everyone is afraid of when you think about Rust and wrestlers.

01:06:16.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:06:18.000 Everybody's afraid of a guy who looks like a real live wolverine.

01:06:22.000 Can you see the hair on his back?

01:06:23.000 He's got it on his back.

01:06:24.000 How big is he?

01:06:25.000 Dude, he is one of the...

01:06:26.000 Everyone's afraid of this dude.

01:06:28.000 Very hard to do anything to this guy.

01:06:30.000 And he keeps getting better and better.

01:06:32.000 I think he was second or third in Abu Dhabi.

01:06:35.000 He's a fucking animal.

01:06:35.000 He's got hair on his back like a werewolf.

01:06:37.000 Look at his fucking back.

01:06:39.000 Nobody wants him, dude.

01:06:40.000 No one wants to be paired up with that guy.

01:06:43.000 I couldn't imagine.

01:06:46.000 He's really good, too.

01:06:47.000 His passing is getting spectacular.

01:06:49.000 I wonder how long a guy like that can compete with that style.

01:06:54.000 No, I was just going to say, that kind of smashing, crushing power style, boy, that's so taxing.

01:06:54.000 Oh, go ahead.

01:07:00.000 He didn't used to pass as much.

01:07:03.000 He used to just throw people around and get on top of them and wear them out, but now he's really good at passing and finishing now.

01:07:09.000 Guy's a gorilla.

01:07:10.000 We got Lucas Rocha, who's from Gracie Baja, one of the top guys.

01:07:14.000 This is the most stacked we've ever been, man.

01:07:17.000 This is super, super stacked.

01:07:19.000 That's so awesome.

01:07:20.000 What a great way to kick it off.

01:07:22.000 Yeah, it's going to be nuts.

01:07:23.000 Great way to kick it off on Fight Pass.

01:07:24.000 It's going to be fucking nuts, man.

01:07:26.000 That's so fun.

01:07:28.000 Isn't it amazing that it just became something, you know, just...

01:07:33.000 I never planned on it, man.

01:07:34.000 Isn't that how it works, though?

01:07:35.000 That's how it works.

01:07:36.000 That's shit.

01:07:37.000 That's this thing, this podcast.

01:07:38.000 Never planned on this either.

01:07:38.000 Crazy shit.

01:07:39.000 Again, more shit.

01:07:41.000 Like, 10th Planet wasn't even planned.

01:07:42.000 I know.

01:07:43.000 Dude, I have nothing about that.

01:07:44.000 I'm 32 years old.

01:07:45.000 I don't know nothing about no 10th Planet.

01:07:47.000 At 32. How crazy is it that we were in love with that Zacharias Hitchin guy's books, and now they think they might have actually found this planet.

01:07:56.000 Oh yeah.

01:07:56.000 Is that for real?

01:07:57.000 I don't even pay attention to that.

01:07:58.000 They have no photographs of it, but they are pretty sure to the point where they're stepping out and saying there's a large planet, probably about four times the size of Earth, that's outside of our source system.

01:08:09.000 That was conspiracy theory stuff.

01:08:09.000 No, not anymore.

01:08:10.000 It's real.

01:08:11.000 No, now it's mainstream scientists are saying this.

01:08:13.000 I think even Neil deGrasse Tyson has addressed it.

01:08:16.000 People keep sending me shit, but I'm like, oh, it's another one of those things.

01:08:20.000 Jamie will pull it up, man.

01:08:21.000 For real?

01:08:22.000 Yeah.

01:08:22.000 Well, Eddie turned me on to this.

01:08:24.000 He's like, dude, you ever heard of Zacharias Hitchin?

01:08:28.000 We got so deep.

01:08:29.000 We used to do bong hits and talk about the Anunnaki, watch documentaries on it.

01:08:34.000 Some crazy stripper told me about it.

01:08:37.000 She's like, do you know that we used to mine the world for gold?

01:08:40.000 And I'm like, Gina, what are you talking about?

01:08:42.000 She goes, why do you think we like gold so much?

01:08:44.000 We used to be slaves.

01:08:46.000 I'm like, oh my God.

01:08:47.000 I just thought she was the craziest person ever.

01:08:49.000 And then I thought about it for five minutes.

01:08:51.000 I used to make music with her.

01:08:52.000 And I'm like, wait a minute.

01:08:53.000 It is kind of weird that the one fucking thing we all agree on is that gold is money.

01:08:59.000 That's the one thing we all agree on.

01:09:03.000 Nothing else!

01:09:04.000 Then I asked her, Gina, who is this guy who told you about this?

01:09:08.000 What is this guy's name?

01:09:09.000 And so she gave me his name.

01:09:10.000 I called him up.

01:09:11.000 I said, hey, I'm Gina's friend.

01:09:13.000 She said you were talking about some crazy motherfucker who wrote books about us being slaves and all that shit.

01:09:19.000 He goes, oh yeah, it's some guy named Sitchin or Zachariah Sitchin.

01:09:24.000 And I'm like, okay.

01:09:25.000 And I wrote it down.

01:09:25.000 Then I looked into him and That's how I discovered it.

01:09:27.000 This is all pre-internet, right?

01:09:29.000 It was...

01:09:30.000 Ish.

01:09:31.000 99, 2000. 2000. It was 2000. You had the internet, but it was harder to find shit back then.

01:09:37.000 The ninth planet.

01:09:38.000 Does it exist?

01:09:39.000 A 10,000 year orbit in outer reaches of our solar system.

01:09:44.000 So they're trying to figure it out right now.

01:09:47.000 But what they believe is, they've been believing this for a while, is that apparently there's...

01:09:53.000 The reason why they declassified Pluto, they said that Pluto's not a planet anymore, is because Pluto is a large body in the Kuiper Belt.

01:10:00.000 And the Kuiper Belt is a belt of just large asteroids and round things and shit floating around out there.

01:10:08.000 Which is really weird, because the photos of Pluto that they've released recently, the really up-close photos that they just released...

01:10:14.000 It's a fucking planet.

01:10:16.000 We're nitpicking here.

01:10:17.000 That's a goddamn planet, but they don't think it's big enough to be a planet.

01:10:20.000 Alright, whatever.

01:10:21.000 It looks like a fucking planet.

01:10:22.000 Pull up the photos of Pluto.

01:10:23.000 They're amazing.

01:10:25.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:10:26.000 Have you seen them?

01:10:27.000 No, I haven't seen them, but to me it's like, it's there, right?

01:10:29.000 It's there.

01:10:30.000 You call it a planet, you call it a dwarf, you think they're going to call it a dwarf 10,000 years ago?

01:10:35.000 Who cares what you call it?

01:10:37.000 It's something.

01:10:38.000 It isn't like, oh no, it never existed.

01:10:39.000 It was a black hole.

01:10:41.000 No, it's a body of mass.

01:10:42.000 What they think is that there's so many of these out there.

01:10:45.000 They found another one.

01:10:46.000 Do you remember this?

01:10:46.000 You and I were at a bar having a drink one day.

01:10:50.000 Oh, here it goes.

01:10:51.000 These are the photos.

01:10:52.000 Yeah, fine.

01:10:52.000 This is some of the photos.

01:10:53.000 I think those are color corrected to show different things.

01:10:57.000 But there's some of the actual surface.

01:11:00.000 I think the far right one that you...

01:11:03.000 Um, no.

01:11:04.000 This is the moon, Jamie.

01:11:04.000 No, no, no.

01:11:06.000 There's some from the far right one.

01:11:09.000 It says Pluto!

01:11:10.000 But that looks like the ones from all images right there, that's Pluto?

01:11:14.000 The one down below, above Planet X, that's Pluto?

01:11:18.000 It says Earth's moon, though.

01:11:19.000 Yeah, but look, it shows all these different planets on this.

01:11:22.000 That's Earth's moon.

01:11:27.000 Yeah, that's Google search though, right?

01:11:29.000 Just go to the web search, and then just write recent photos of Pluto.

01:11:38.000 What is it?

01:11:38.000 New Cassini?

01:11:39.000 Is that what it is that took the photographs?

01:11:41.000 What was the...

01:11:43.000 So there's a bunch of Plutos is what they're saying, right?

01:11:45.000 Yeah, there's a bunch of Plutos.

01:11:46.000 So they found another one.

01:11:47.000 You and I were at a bar once.

01:11:48.000 I remember this because I saw it on my phone.

01:11:51.000 So it had to be an iPhone.

01:11:53.000 Someone had sent this to me.

01:11:54.000 Dude, you got to check this out.

01:11:55.000 I clicked on the link and it went to a website that showed that there was a new planet.

01:11:58.000 And I was like, dude, they found it.

01:12:00.000 But it turned out it was right before they declassified Pluto.

01:12:04.000 They went, wait a minute.

01:12:05.000 There's a bunch of these fucking things out there.

01:12:07.000 These aren't really planets.

01:12:08.000 And so they think...

01:12:09.000 To make a long story short, there's a bunch of these things out there.

01:12:12.000 And then behind that is a thing called the galactic shelf, where it just drops off.

01:12:17.000 And that would indicate that there's a large, massive object out there, another planet.

01:12:23.000 What if they're like, there's nothing there?

01:12:25.000 Major, there's nothing.

01:12:27.000 It's just blackness.

01:12:27.000 Who knows really what's out there?

01:12:32.000 Scientists?

01:12:32.000 What do you mean?

01:12:33.000 Astronomers?

01:12:34.000 They have some pretty insane fucking telescopes now.

01:12:36.000 They can see some wild, wild shit.

01:12:38.000 They've identified hundreds of planets now, which is really weird because just a decade or so ago, they hadn't identified any outside of our solar system.

01:12:45.000 It's only hundreds?

01:12:46.000 I think it's probably hundreds.

01:12:48.000 Yeah, look at that.

01:12:49.000 Woo!

01:12:50.000 Look at the surface of that thing, man.

01:12:51.000 That's crazy.

01:12:53.000 You could take a picture of Pluto?

01:12:54.000 Yeah, but look at it.

01:12:55.000 That is a circular, round thing that looks like a planet.

01:13:00.000 So, but whatever nitpicky that that's not a planet, it's because there's a gang of those out there, dude.

01:13:06.000 There's a gang of them.

01:13:07.000 They don't know how many there are.

01:13:08.000 They're gonna find new ones.

01:13:11.000 This Kuiper belt, there's a bunch of little tiny objects out there that are like Pluto size, smaller than Pluto.

01:13:17.000 And I think they assume that they're gonna find more.

01:13:21.000 Because this object, whatever it is, it's outside, outside.

01:13:24.000 Like in the 10,000 year orbit around Earth is big.

01:13:27.000 Way bigger than us.

01:13:29.000 Four times as big as Earth.

01:13:29.000 So it's outside all that, those little ones?

01:13:31.000 Outside all the little ones.

01:13:34.000 Apparently there's a drop off.

01:13:35.000 There's like the belt.

01:13:36.000 I might be butchering this and if I am I apologize.

01:13:39.000 But what I've read and try to remember was that there's something called the galactic shelf and that would indicate something that has a lot of mass.

01:13:47.000 Something that has a lot of gravity.

01:13:49.000 Something that's big.

01:13:51.000 And so they think it's bigger than...

01:13:53.000 I mean, they're saying it's four times the size of Earth, so it's something really big.

01:13:56.000 Just fucking nuts, man.

01:13:58.000 It's just nuts to think there's another planet out there.

01:14:03.000 And what's even more nuts is...

01:14:05.000 What if there's fucking life forms on it?

01:14:08.000 What if this thing in this 10,000 year orbit around Earth is heated by its core?

01:14:14.000 What if it gets its heat instead of from the sun?

01:14:17.000 What if it gets its heat internally and its life forces are all from it internally?

01:14:25.000 Imagine if that was a real story.

01:14:27.000 Imagine this Anunnaki thing.

01:14:30.000 Everybody laughs at it.

01:14:31.000 Everybody thinks it's funny.

01:14:32.000 But when the 10,000 years rolls around, that motherfucker gets close.

01:14:36.000 They really are a bunch of aliens living on that thing who made us.

01:14:41.000 Could you fucking imagine?

01:14:43.000 Nothing would ever mean anything again.

01:14:45.000 Your credit cards, how much gas is, nobody would give a fuck.

01:14:51.000 It would all be so back of your mind.

01:14:55.000 Everything would be in the back of your mind, except, oh my god, there's a planet out there, and it's a bunch of fucking people who made us out of monkeys.

01:15:02.000 They came down, they did genetic engineering experiments on monkeys, just like we would do.

01:15:07.000 Just like we would do.

01:15:09.000 If we fucking found some planet in outer space, especially if we were like scientists that were like thousands of years removed from us today, like way, way, way, way, way in the future, maybe millions,

01:15:24.000 like a million years more evolved, they'd look at these monkeys like, we're just gonna help them out here.

01:15:29.000 Just gonna help them out.

01:15:29.000 We know where this is going anyway.

01:15:31.000 Just grab them, shoot some fucking...

01:15:35.000 That'd be the greatest thing to experience ever.

01:15:39.000 Like, could you imagine how earth-shattering it would be if there was a real life form from another planet that we could absolutely identify, a real civilization, and they were super advanced, and they were coming by to visit?

01:15:54.000 Jesus Christ, son.

01:15:56.000 I'd have some questions.

01:15:59.000 Would you immediately start in with Tower 7?

01:16:02.000 We have no idea what we're inside of.

01:16:05.000 No.

01:16:06.000 Like, we're just...

01:16:07.000 It's...

01:16:09.000 You can't even...

01:16:10.000 It's...

01:16:11.000 Aliens in space is...

01:16:15.000 Man, remember how...

01:16:16.000 We were so into them like in the late 90s or the early 2000s.

01:16:21.000 Aliens were like fucking always on my mind.

01:16:24.000 Not anymore though.

01:16:25.000 I think it's because the History Channel killed that.

01:16:28.000 Ancient aliens.

01:16:30.000 Maybe that was the plan all along.

01:16:33.000 You know what?

01:16:33.000 Let's kill this whole fucking alien movement by putting it on History Channel over and over again.

01:16:38.000 But what if...

01:16:41.000 You called me up once, man.

01:16:42.000 Dude, you called me up once.

01:16:44.000 It was a hilarious conversation.

01:16:45.000 You go, dude, I'm just not into fucking aliens anymore.

01:16:52.000 History Channel fucking killed it for me, man.

01:16:54.000 Do you remember that?

01:16:56.000 How cool was that first season of Ancient Aliens, dude?

01:17:00.000 It was awesome.

01:17:02.000 Fuck, it was going mainstream.

01:17:04.000 Zachariah Sitchin went mainstream.

01:17:06.000 It was awesome, man.

01:17:07.000 Oh, then they did another season.

01:17:08.000 Well, they just ran out of shit to talk about, unfortunately.

01:17:12.000 Did it start off as a special?

01:17:15.000 Maybe.

01:17:17.000 Maybe, then it turned into a series.

01:17:18.000 But fuck, those first ones were awesome, man.

01:17:20.000 Boy Tsoukalos, he's awesome.

01:17:22.000 When was the last time we talked to him?

01:17:22.000 Oh, man.

01:17:24.000 Haven't talked to him in a while, man.

01:17:26.000 I wonder if the overall industry is kind of down.

01:17:28.000 He got upset when I was honest.

01:17:31.000 What did you tell him?

01:17:32.000 About what I think about some of the stuff.

01:17:34.000 I just think that some of it is just too bullshitty.

01:17:36.000 It's just too...

01:17:37.000 It's like, could be.

01:17:38.000 It was aliens.

01:17:40.000 Like, oh, come on, man.

01:17:41.000 They went to...

01:17:42.000 They're selling...

01:17:43.000 Look, there's a certain amount of that stuff that is absolutely fascinating.

01:17:47.000 When you look at some of the depictions of, like, aircrafts that, like, the Egyptians used to do, they used to make, like, these little model aircrafts with, like, a rudder.

01:17:57.000 What do you think is the most compelling evidence for you, if you had, like, a UFO skeptic right here, and you had, like, five minutes, what's your go-to shit?

01:18:04.000 There's almost nothing.

01:18:05.000 Nothing, right?

01:18:06.000 Nothing.

01:18:13.000 There's nothing.

01:18:14.000 There's nothing.

01:18:14.000 There's not one thing you can point to.

01:18:16.000 The Disclosure Project, all the witnesses and stuff.

01:18:17.000 Yeah, that's interesting, but they could all be crazy.

01:18:20.000 They could all be out of their mind.

01:18:21.000 You just never know.

01:18:22.000 You just never know.

01:18:23.000 There's all sorts of experiences that people can have, too, that are very, very unusual.

01:18:29.000 Weather condition things like ball lightning.

01:18:33.000 Ball lightning is one that's really crazy because apparently there's...

01:18:36.000 Swamp gas?

01:18:37.000 Well, ball lightning apparently moves like some alien spacecraft.

01:18:42.000 And apparently if you saw ball lightning and they've identified it, it's like this really rare form of lightning that instead of coming down like really fast like a line, it can move around.

01:18:53.000 Yeah.

01:18:54.000 And it's the same sort of idea.

01:18:55.000 It's like an electrical charge that breaks free.

01:18:58.000 I'm not doing a good job of explaining it, but I've seen videos on it.

01:19:02.000 I've seen it explained.

01:19:03.000 And I think if you were flying around, man, and you saw that, you'd probably think that was a UFO. And if you saw a lot of the experimental aircraft that they did, I talked about it with Shermer before you got here.

01:19:14.000 I think there's a lot of that stuff with just people seeing shit.

01:19:17.000 For sure.

01:19:18.000 Most of it, probably.

01:19:19.000 But the more you get into how fucked up corporations are and how fucked up we've been for so long, the more you look at aliens like, ah,

01:19:34.000 they are just distracting us with aliens.

01:19:37.000 They want us to think about fucking aliens.

01:19:39.000 You know what I mean?

01:19:40.000 It seems like a big distraction.

01:19:43.000 I think people love it.

01:19:44.000 I think that's why it's on.

01:19:45.000 I think it sells.

01:19:47.000 I don't even think they're trying to distract us.

01:19:48.000 I think it appeals to that archetype.

01:19:50.000 And it's one of the things that Shermer talked about before you got here in the earlier podcast.

01:19:54.000 We were talking about how it's like for a lot of people that are atheists, that becomes their god.

01:19:59.000 And it kind of makes sense.

01:20:01.000 It's like, well, I don't believe in fairy tales, but I believe maybe we were created by aliens who ran experiments on monkeys and they're all written.

01:20:09.000 Like, how come we won't believe the Bible, but we believe the Sumerian text?

01:20:13.000 Yeah.

01:20:15.000 I think how funny that is.

01:20:17.000 That's an easy question to answer.

01:20:18.000 But how funny is that?

01:20:19.000 We're not into the Bible, but we're into some...

01:20:21.000 Those people were dummies.

01:20:22.000 But these people, 2,000 years before them, dude, they had it nailed.

01:20:27.000 What it is, it's not gods.

01:20:29.000 It's aliens, man.

01:20:30.000 They came from another planet.

01:20:31.000 Well, it all depends on the story.

01:20:33.000 An alien story actually kind of makes sense because we're in space and shit.

01:20:39.000 There's a lot of planets and shit.

01:20:40.000 Look, I always think of it as, would we do it?

01:20:44.000 Would we do it?

01:20:45.000 Do what?

01:20:46.000 Would we run experiments on some life form that we saw on some other planet?

01:20:49.000 Fuck yeah!

01:20:50.000 Of course!

01:20:51.000 What do we do to monkeys?

01:20:52.000 We're testing AIDS medicine on monkeys and shit.

01:20:55.000 We would do some weird shit with some monkeys from another planet too.

01:20:58.000 We're probably doing some weird-ass shit on this planet that we don't know about.

01:21:01.000 Oh, for sure.

01:21:01.000 There's got to be clone humans everywhere.

01:21:03.000 Especially not in America, where you don't have any rules.

01:21:07.000 You can go to some countries, they'll do anything.

01:21:09.000 China's started doing experiments on human embryos, like genetic experiments on human embryos.

01:21:13.000 Just raise hitmen, you know what I mean?

01:21:15.000 Just genetically modified...

01:21:16.000 Supermen.

01:21:17.000 Yes.

01:21:18.000 Yeah, I mean, it's just a matter of time before they do something like that.

01:21:21.000 If they can do this genetic engineering and get through a few generations of it to the fact they got the kinks ironed out...

01:21:26.000 And start making a series of Alexander Corellins with an Einstein brain.

01:21:32.000 Yeah, can you imagine if they can have a brain beyond Einstein?

01:21:35.000 If you could create a human or a clone, but you could do something so the brain develops like 10 times stronger, and you're just like, you could read minds and shit.

01:21:44.000 It's probably going to happen.

01:21:45.000 It's definitely going to happen.

01:21:47.000 And then when that does happen, and we see some poor monkey on some other planet, and we're fucking flying around out there in space, we'll be like, let's fix that, dude.

01:21:54.000 Just give them a little of our jizz.

01:21:55.000 Just squirt it in there.

01:21:56.000 See if we can figure it out from here.

01:21:58.000 Take that monkey.

01:21:59.000 Re-engineer it.

01:22:01.000 Give it a language.

01:22:02.000 They probably would have figured out language if we gave them enough time.

01:22:05.000 Do you know they think that chimps are starting to enter into the Stone Age?

01:22:08.000 It looks like I was just watching a documentary of a monkey, and everyone's seen those videos of monkeys with sticks, and they're using it to eat ants and shit like that.

01:22:17.000 Orangutans, yeah.

01:22:18.000 I was watching a video of a monkey who broke off a stick and started banging the bark to get some honey that was under the bark, but the stick wasn't big enough, so he throws it, and then he helps and grabs another one, carves it all out, and then starts, bah,

01:22:34.000 bah!

01:22:34.000 Isn't that amazing?

01:22:35.000 He should probably be using that as a weapon at this point if he's doing that.

01:22:39.000 You know what I mean?

01:22:40.000 What happens then when they learn how to use it as a weapon on each other and shit?

01:22:44.000 Well, what's amazing is what if what we're seeing is them learning it?

01:22:48.000 What if what we're seeing is like, you know, when they're just starting to observe this now, what if in our lifetime they start using tools?

01:22:55.000 It seems like that's what's going on because either it's one of two things.

01:22:58.000 Either they just didn't have enough video of them back then, and they didn't have enough people observing them to really realize they've probably been using these tools for 100 years or so, or they just started doing it in our lifetime.

01:23:10.000 You know?

01:23:12.000 That could be possible.

01:23:13.000 Have you ever seen Snopes this?

01:23:14.000 I want you to Snopes this because I don't know if this is true.

01:23:16.000 There's an orangutan that's fishing with a spear.

01:23:21.000 He's hanging off of a fucking branch over this river and he's got a spear.

01:23:25.000 There's a photo of it.

01:23:27.000 I just don't know if it's true.

01:23:28.000 It looks so good.

01:23:30.000 It's always one of those things.

01:23:32.000 It's one of those things that I've always wanted to Google, and I'll get to that tomorrow.

01:23:36.000 I just never get to it.

01:23:38.000 I got other shit in my life to worry about.

01:23:40.000 It's so easy to fake people out these days.

01:23:43.000 But I remember.

01:23:43.000 I just remember.

01:23:44.000 So I have to get...

01:23:45.000 Do you see it, Jamie?

01:23:47.000 I don't see it on Snopes, but it says it's true, although the ape didn't sufficiently...

01:23:52.000 Didn't develop the skill enough to catch fish.

01:23:54.000 Whatever.

01:23:55.000 Show the picture.

01:23:56.000 This is what's crazy.

01:23:57.000 Look at this.

01:23:58.000 Come on, son.

01:23:59.000 Are you fucking kidding me?

01:24:01.000 This is true?

01:24:02.000 Okay, if this is true, that's a goddamn weapon.

01:24:06.000 That orangutan is sticking a long stick into the water.

01:24:11.000 It's true, although ape did not develop sufficient skill to catch any fish.

01:24:15.000 Yet.

01:24:17.000 He's trying.

01:24:18.000 This is insane.

01:24:20.000 You would think humans would speed up that evolution, right?

01:24:23.000 Exactly.

01:24:25.000 Man.

01:24:25.000 They're probably learning from watching fishermen and shit.

01:24:28.000 Yeah.

01:24:28.000 You might have to learn that water refraction thing, and that might not be capable of doing that.

01:24:33.000 Oh, right.

01:24:34.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:24:35.000 Water refraction is a big factor in bow fishing.

01:24:40.000 These people who fish with bows and arrows, if you look at a fish, Say if you look down in the water and you see like the fish would be where this laptop is.

01:24:49.000 It's not really there.

01:24:50.000 It's like six inches lower than that.

01:24:52.000 But there's this weird refraction thing going on because you're looking through water.

01:24:56.000 So it's like looking through like a funhouse mirror kind of.

01:24:59.000 So you have to learn how to shoot under.

01:25:01.000 And the orangutan might not be able to figure that out.

01:25:03.000 Very smart, Jamie.

01:25:05.000 Did you figure that out on your own?

01:25:06.000 You fucking wizard.

01:25:08.000 Powerful, Jamie.

01:25:10.000 Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

01:25:11.000 But how crazy is it seeing him try that?

01:25:14.000 Orangutan by himself with a pole.

01:25:16.000 I mean, he's not in a zoo.

01:25:17.000 He's not like at the circus.

01:25:18.000 Nobody taught him that.

01:25:20.000 Those things are smart as fuck, man.

01:25:22.000 He's gonna be a crazy fucking karate dude who goes out to the jungle, starts teaching monkeys.

01:25:27.000 Kendo.

01:25:28.000 Look at him.

01:25:29.000 Give him swords and shit.

01:25:30.000 Can you imagine if they got supplied the gorillas with swords?

01:25:33.000 Samurai swords.

01:25:35.000 I mean, that's...

01:25:37.000 Planet of the Apes is not that far off.

01:25:38.000 How hard would it be to teach him?

01:25:39.000 Like if Jane Goodall got all evil and shit?

01:25:41.000 She started teaching him how to fucking cut...

01:25:45.000 You know Jane Goodall believes in Bigfoot?

01:25:47.000 Does she?

01:25:48.000 Yeah, she might be crazy.

01:25:50.000 There's a comeback for Bigfoot right there.

01:25:52.000 She might be crazy.

01:25:53.000 Not only does she believe, she's certain.

01:25:57.000 She's certain.

01:25:58.000 Is there videos for her talking about it?

01:25:59.000 Pull up Jane Goodall.

01:25:59.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:26:01.000 Jane Goodall believes in Bigfoot.

01:26:03.000 It's insane.

01:26:04.000 When you listen to it, she's way smarter than me, and she knows way more about primates than I do.

01:26:10.000 So I talk shit, and I say, I don't think Bigfoot's real.

01:26:13.000 He might be, but I don't think it's real.

01:26:14.000 But when I hear someone as smart as her, who basically lives in the jungle, I mean, she's in the jungle so goddamn much, she might as well live in the jungle.

01:26:22.000 And this is what she says.

01:26:23.000 Listen to this.

01:26:26.000 Might not be her talking, we'll see.

01:26:28.000 No, I'm pretty sure it is.

01:26:32.000 Now, I know you do wonderful chimp calls.

01:26:34.000 Well, I'm going to do the greeting.

01:26:36.000 It's the kind of sound you'd hear if you went to Gombe and you climbed up onto the ridge.

01:26:40.000 How long is this video?

01:26:41.000 Five minutes.

01:26:41.000 And if you're lucky, you'll hear the chimpanzee who's calling out saying, here I am, it's a wonderful day, where are you?

01:26:54.000 And each one has his or her own individual voice, so you know exactly who's calling.

01:27:01.000 Where's Bigfoot, bro?

01:27:02.000 It's a pleasure to speak with you.

01:27:03.000 I want to know if you believe there are any undiscovered...

01:27:06.000 Oh, here it is.

01:27:07.000 You're talking about Yeti or Bigfoot or Sasquatch?

01:27:10.000 Is that what he's talking about?

01:27:11.000 Yes, yes he is.

01:27:12.000 Pretty much.

01:27:13.000 I'm out of the loop.

01:27:15.000 Go ahead.

01:27:15.000 Well, now you'll be amazed when I tell you that I'm sure that they exist.

01:27:20.000 I've talked to so many Native Americans who've all described the same sounds, two who've seen them.

01:27:25.000 There was a little tiny snippet in the newspaper just last week which says that British scientists have found what they believed to be a yeti hare and that the scientists in the Natural History Museum in London couldn't identify it as any known animal.

01:27:40.000 Did you always have this belief that they existed?

01:27:42.000 Well, I'm a romantic, so I always wanted them to exist.

01:27:46.000 Animals were my passion from even before I could speak, apparently.

01:27:50.000 I think that's it.

01:27:51.000 Well, a couple people told her that they saw one, so...

01:27:55.000 That's what she said.

01:27:57.000 She didn't see it.

01:27:58.000 She's been in the jungle for 75 years.

01:28:00.000 But they're not supposed to be in the jungle, though, where she goes.

01:28:02.000 They're supposed to be in the woods.

01:28:04.000 Where is, um...

01:28:05.000 What did she say?

01:28:06.000 The University of what?

01:28:08.000 See if you can figure out what she said.

01:28:10.000 Like, what university is that is testing a Yeti hair?

01:28:13.000 Because I think that's bullshit.

01:28:16.000 I would have heard about that.

01:28:19.000 When I was on the sci-fi show, we tested some stuff.

01:28:22.000 We tested hair.

01:28:24.000 There's a guy, Todd Disotel, from one big university in New York City.

01:28:31.000 I forget which one.

01:28:32.000 Yeah, I guess he's an NYU guy.

01:28:32.000 NYU, I guess?

01:28:34.000 And I hope I'm not wrong, Todd.

01:28:36.000 But he's a geneticist.

01:28:39.000 And so we ran tests on feces and on hair.

01:28:45.000 And the hair was bear hair and the bear shit, too.

01:28:48.000 And maybe some dog hairs, too.

01:28:50.000 What made him think it was Bigfoot shit?

01:28:52.000 Not him.

01:28:53.000 I think we got Bigfoot shit.

01:28:53.000 He didn't think it was at all.

01:28:55.000 No, he's dedicated to disproving it.

01:28:57.000 But there was other scientists that gave us stuff.

01:28:59.000 That's the one I'm talking about.

01:29:00.000 What made him think it was Bigfoot shit?

01:29:03.000 It doesn't smell like bear shit, bro.

01:29:05.000 Smell it.

01:29:06.000 Smell it.

01:29:07.000 How would they know?

01:29:09.000 Maybe the bear had fucking bad fish or something.

01:29:14.000 Well, they can't even agree on what it eats.

01:29:17.000 They were so sure it was Bigfoot shit.

01:29:19.000 They can't agree on what Bigfoot eats.

01:29:21.000 I'm good.

01:29:22.000 Who the fuck discovered that Bigfoot shit?

01:29:24.000 We gotta find that dude.

01:29:26.000 I met that dude.

01:29:27.000 The guy that found the shit?

01:29:28.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:29:29.000 I had a conversation with him, too.

01:29:30.000 He's a nice guy.

01:29:31.000 He's a teacher.

01:29:32.000 In a school.

01:29:32.000 Okay.

01:29:33.000 Where did he find it?

01:29:34.000 In Oregon.

01:29:34.000 Public school teacher.

01:29:38.000 Found it out in the woods.

01:29:39.000 He's like, this has got to be Bigfoot shit.

01:29:41.000 I'm going to take it with me.

01:29:43.000 I would think Bigfoot would lay logs, like as big as my thigh.

01:29:48.000 Just giant.

01:29:49.000 You ever see an elephant take a shit and you see his asshole open up and you go, good lord.

01:29:56.000 Just flopping out of there, this giant asshole.

01:29:59.000 That's what I imagine from Bigfoot.

01:30:01.000 Do you believe that some people believe in Bigfoot, but they also believe in a different kind of Bigfoot?

01:30:06.000 It's like a different kind of Christian church.

01:30:08.000 It's like Lutheran.

01:30:10.000 Yes, we believe in Bigfoot, but we believe it's an interdimensional being.

01:30:13.000 I've heard that one.

01:30:14.000 What do you think the chances of that being real?

01:30:17.000 Probably 100%.

01:30:23.000 Dude, it's not just Bigfoot!

01:30:25.000 Listen, bro.

01:30:26.000 I don't believe it's interdimensional.

01:30:27.000 I believe it's real, okay?

01:30:29.000 I gotta stop you right here, bro.

01:30:30.000 I'm one-eighth Native American on my grandmother's side, and those are people.

01:30:35.000 Our people have long known of the existence of what we call the Omar.

01:30:41.000 I have a bunch of different names for it.

01:30:42.000 You know what?

01:30:43.000 Every time I go up to Oregon or Washington or do a seminar, I ask the guys by show of hands who believes in Bigfoot.

01:30:53.000 And most of them do.

01:30:54.000 Most of them do.

01:30:55.000 Yeah, well, keep them up there.

01:30:56.000 Most of them have heard stories, you know.

01:30:59.000 I believed in it for the longest time.

01:31:00.000 And I don't disbelieve in it today.

01:31:02.000 I don't disbelieve in it, but that's one you can make fun of.

01:31:05.000 But if they found Bigfoot, I wouldn't be like, oh, fuck!

01:31:08.000 I'd be like, oh shit, that's real.

01:31:11.000 I definitely don't disbelieve in it.

01:31:12.000 And you know what?

01:31:13.000 And I'll just say it.

01:31:14.000 I think maybe he is interdimensional.

01:31:17.000 You know what I mean?

01:31:17.000 That's my gut feeling.

01:31:22.000 I'm going with my instincts!

01:31:24.000 Bro, you know, you can take your science, but at the end of the day, it's all about faith, bro.

01:31:29.000 It's all about knowing in your heart.

01:31:31.000 It makes sense.

01:31:32.000 That's why you can't find them.

01:31:33.000 Motherfucker just disappears.

01:31:35.000 I know in my heart and I'll defend it with my life.

01:31:36.000 That's the only fucking answer.

01:31:39.000 I know, bro.

01:31:39.000 It's interdimensional, bro.

01:31:41.000 That's what I'm thinking, bro.

01:31:41.000 That's why they can't find them.

01:31:42.000 You can't put Bigfoot on camera, bro.

01:31:44.000 He knows about cameras.

01:31:46.000 That's not gonna happen, man.

01:31:47.000 He's not gonna appear where it's a camera or disbelief.

01:31:50.000 Just because he doesn't wear clothes doesn't mean he's primitive.

01:31:53.000 He's super intelligent.

01:31:54.000 They know you don't believe, bro.

01:31:55.000 He's at one with nature.

01:31:56.000 He's not gonna be near you unless you're pure.

01:31:59.000 He's super intelligent.

01:32:00.000 You can't find him.

01:32:01.000 You've gotta live with the Sasquatch for them to- Bigfoot, don't shit.

01:32:06.000 There's a bunch of dudes who've claimed to have had, like, friendships with Sasquatches.

01:32:12.000 Like, they move into the woods and they stay there for months at a time.

01:32:14.000 And then they tell people they've had these stories.

01:32:18.000 There's audio recordings.

01:32:21.000 Of what they call samurai talk.

01:32:23.000 You want to hear audio recordings that people think is a Sasquatch?

01:32:26.000 You want to laugh?

01:32:26.000 Oh.

01:32:27.000 You ready to laugh hard?

01:32:28.000 I could do Sasquatch.

01:32:29.000 She didn't say it was at a university.

01:32:32.000 It's the Natural History Museum in London.

01:32:34.000 Okay.

01:32:35.000 Okay.

01:32:38.000 No, no, no, no, no.

01:32:40.000 Hey, Eddie.

01:32:41.000 Isn't that Bigfoot?

01:32:42.000 Jesus Christ, no.

01:32:43.000 That's Bigfoot.

01:32:44.000 You can't just make a noise and say it's Bigfoot.

01:32:44.000 You just made that up.

01:32:46.000 That was Bigfoot.

01:32:46.000 No, no, no.

01:32:47.000 They have a...

01:32:48.000 It's the dumbest recording ever.

01:32:50.000 Samurai Chatter.

01:32:51.000 Listen to this.

01:32:52.000 Get ready for this shit.

01:32:53.000 You're going to blow a gasket.

01:32:55.000 We had to analyze this on the show.

01:32:57.000 This is when I knew my show was retarded.

01:33:02.000 Listen to this.

01:33:03.000 And he was there one time with a friend, and every evening they used to hear some absolutely bizarre noises.

01:33:09.000 and calls and they couldn't figure out what the hell it was and so they took up a tape recorder one time and this is what they recorded okay it is very bizarre indeed We

01:33:47.000 decided to record the sounds on a CD and a cassette and make them available to people.

01:33:52.000 Oh, what a good move.

01:33:53.000 I do believe these creatures are trying to communicate with us, though.

01:33:55.000 And we, as we speak, are having the linguistics people look into it.

01:34:00.000 They are very encouraged.

01:34:02.000 What they're saying so far is that humans...

01:34:04.000 Nobody's looking into that shit!

01:34:06.000 ...that the range supersedes what a human can do.

01:34:08.000 The range supersedes what humans.

01:34:10.000 ...by a previous study at the University of Wyoming to be spontaneous and no signs of being...

01:34:25.000 What year was this?

01:34:28.000 That they made this video?

01:34:29.000 Got uploaded?

01:34:30.000 2013?

01:34:33.000 Look at that.

01:34:34.000 Does anything look more like a man in a monkey suit than that picture?

01:34:45.000 But, here's the thing.

01:34:47.000 Imagine if they really did sound like that.

01:34:51.000 I mean, what does chimp sound stupid to?

01:34:55.000 If you heard that, but like more complicated, with an actual language, like dolphin noises sound stupid.

01:35:01.000 If dolphins didn't make those noises, and you heard the dolphin noise like...

01:35:05.000 You'd be like, that's not a language.

01:35:09.000 What is that?

01:35:10.000 How weird.

01:35:11.000 Imagine if that shit's real.

01:35:14.000 Could you imagine?

01:35:16.000 There's like 20 of them.

01:35:18.000 They're all just living deep, deep, deep in the woods.

01:35:21.000 What's more believable, Bigfoot or Loch Ness?

01:35:24.000 I think Loch Ness is probably a really big fish.

01:35:28.000 Like some kind of really big fish, like a sturgeon or some shit.

01:35:32.000 Something really big that there's not that many of them.

01:35:37.000 You see that video of that guy petting a great white shark?

01:35:41.000 Yeah, it's on my Instagram.

01:35:43.000 Oh, really?

01:35:43.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:35:44.000 Yeah, maybe I saw it on your Instagram.

01:35:45.000 You might have, yeah.

01:35:46.000 It's ridiculous.

01:35:47.000 That's insane.

01:35:48.000 That's crazy.

01:35:49.000 It's one of the weirdest fucking videos I've ever seen in my life.

01:35:51.000 It's like a little great white plan.

01:35:53.000 It's like, yeah.

01:35:54.000 It's coming out of the water and he's touching its nose.

01:35:56.000 Whoa!

01:35:57.000 I know.

01:35:58.000 What the fuck?

01:35:59.000 No wonder pirates are fucking scared and shit.

01:36:02.000 You know what I mean?

01:36:04.000 They probably dealt with that shit on the daily.

01:36:06.000 Oh my god.

01:36:06.000 Dude, can you imagine?

01:36:07.000 Can you imagine a pirate fucking ends up on the coast of South Africa?

01:36:12.000 Oh my god.

01:36:13.000 Dude, the story's there.

01:36:14.000 Yeah, that's the craziest pirate.

01:36:15.000 The great wives just hang out there.

01:36:16.000 There's just a shitload of them there.

01:36:18.000 Look how insane this is.

01:36:19.000 This is so insane.

01:36:21.000 It just keeps opening its mouth and those gums.

01:36:24.000 Look at the gums and then these fucking destructor teeth.

01:36:28.000 They're scarier than any monster in any movie ever.

01:36:31.000 And they're 100% real.

01:36:34.000 Look at the fucking teeth on that thing, man.

01:36:37.000 I mean, what the hell?

01:36:39.000 And they fly out of the water.

01:36:41.000 Oh my god.

01:36:44.000 Oh my god, those things are so insane.

01:36:47.000 Just imagine that clamping down on you.

01:36:50.000 I mean, it's cartoonish.

01:36:52.000 A shark's teeth are cartoonish.

01:36:56.000 They're giant swords, serrated-edge swords, and there's rows of them in their mouths.

01:37:02.000 So if one snaps off, another one moves forward.

01:37:07.000 What a just spectacular animal.

01:37:11.000 Just one of the craziest creations of nature.

01:37:17.000 Or Thor.

01:37:18.000 Did he make sharks?

01:37:20.000 Was it Odin?

01:37:22.000 Who makes the sharks?

01:37:24.000 Who makes sharks?

01:37:25.000 Yeah, if it was a god, which god would make sharks?

01:37:27.000 Oh, I don't know.

01:37:28.000 That's a good question.

01:37:29.000 That fucking thing.

01:37:30.000 I can't watch this, Jamie.

01:37:31.000 I'm freaking out.

01:37:33.000 If I had a hundred trillion dollars, I'd build this fucking...

01:37:37.000 Instead of an octagon, it's just this giant fucking ocean and put Great White and Killer Whale in there to fight?

01:37:43.000 Killer Whales win every time.

01:37:45.000 You think so?

01:37:45.000 Every time?

01:37:46.000 Every time.

01:37:47.000 Great Whites are not smart.

01:37:48.000 And they're not nearly as mobile.

01:37:50.000 They're not smart.

01:37:51.000 They just swim around like shit.

01:37:52.000 You dump them in the tank.

01:37:54.000 What would happen?

01:37:55.000 You've never seen videos of killer whales?

01:37:57.000 You just dump them.

01:37:57.000 How long would you think it would take before the killer whale attacked the Great White?

01:38:00.000 You just dump them.

01:38:01.000 In a big tank.

01:38:03.000 Would you pay to watch that?

01:38:05.000 You could watch it on YouTube.

01:38:07.000 No, but there's never any good video of it.

01:38:10.000 There's no good video of a killer whale jacking.

01:38:14.000 It's like splashy and shit.

01:38:15.000 I would say yes, but you can never put a killer whale in a tank.

01:38:18.000 I think putting a killer whale in a tank is just beyond fuck.

01:38:20.000 For ten minutes.

01:38:21.000 No, no, no.

01:38:22.000 You can't do that.

01:38:23.000 You can't force it to fight.

01:38:24.000 I think it's like forcing a person to fight.

01:38:25.000 It's like picking up a slave.

01:38:26.000 With money, you can do anything.

01:38:27.000 Okay.

01:38:28.000 Well, you're going to go in a helicopter and pick up some guy from the middle of the fucking Bornean jungle and make him fight in a cage fight.

01:38:34.000 Would you do that?

01:38:35.000 Would you drop him in there with a guy who's trying to kick his ass?

01:38:38.000 Or drop him in there with a wild dog or something crazy?

01:38:42.000 That wouldn't be that exciting.

01:38:44.000 I'm talking about the most exciting possible matchup ever.

01:38:46.000 I know, but what I'm saying is dolphins and whales and killer whales are too smart.

01:38:50.000 It's fucked up to do that to them.

01:38:52.000 Oh, I see what you're saying.

01:38:53.000 I see what you're saying.

01:38:53.000 They're too smart.

01:38:53.000 That's why I would never do it.

01:38:54.000 A great whale would never have a shot.

01:38:56.000 Never shot.

01:38:56.000 Maybe they get a fucking rabid one from South Island.

01:38:59.000 They got to find a really good one.

01:39:00.000 We found a good, we found a gamer.

01:39:02.000 Killer whales, I think they could definitely get the babies.

01:39:05.000 Maybe you get a dumb killer whale, or a baby killer whale, and a fucking full-grown ferocious great whale.

01:39:12.000 This is the most ridiculous fucking conversation.

01:39:14.000 Probably the great white would bite right through it, right?

01:39:17.000 If it was a baby.

01:39:19.000 But when they're fully grown adults, I think killer whales are bigger and they're way smarter.

01:39:24.000 They're just way smarter.

01:39:25.000 And they just go right after the sharks.

01:39:27.000 They go after them and decide to fuck them up.

01:39:29.000 The video is this.

01:39:31.000 Apparently they were watching a mother and her daughter or her son.

01:39:35.000 You know, the mother and her baby.

01:39:37.000 And a killer whale.

01:39:38.000 The killer whale was swimming around with its baby and the shark showed up.

01:39:41.000 And the killer whale was like, hold on, I'll be right back.

01:39:44.000 Just went and fucked that thing up.

01:39:46.000 They got that on video?

01:39:47.000 Yeah, they got it on video.

01:39:48.000 And then I think the killer whale brought the shark up.

01:39:52.000 Didn't it bring the shark back to display it?

01:39:55.000 I'm trying to look it up now.

01:39:56.000 They got a recreated thing of it.

01:39:58.000 Oh, really?

01:39:58.000 Because it wasn't that.

01:40:00.000 There's no way they could have got a fucking video camera down there.

01:40:02.000 Yeah, look how much bigger it is.

01:40:05.000 See, this is the dead shark at the end.

01:40:09.000 So this is the killer whale biting the fucking shit out of that shark.

01:40:13.000 They just don't have real good footage of how it went down.

01:40:16.000 That's footage from some Discovery Channel show they just pieced in.

01:40:20.000 Probably, right?

01:40:21.000 They do that shit all the time.

01:40:22.000 Now when I'm watching the fucking Discovery Channel, it's like, dude, there's no way you got that shot.

01:40:28.000 You got that whole thing happening.

01:40:30.000 You see it now.

01:40:31.000 It seems fake now.

01:40:34.000 You see it now.

01:40:37.000 But killer whales versus sharks, I think, unless the shark is really big and the killer whale is really young, I think killer whales are just way too smart.

01:40:44.000 They're like a person almost.

01:40:46.000 Just they don't move like us.

01:40:48.000 So we don't consider them like us.

01:40:50.000 But they have crazy languages.

01:40:51.000 Great white versus dolphin.

01:40:53.000 They kill dolphins.

01:40:54.000 They eat them.

01:40:55.000 Great whites kill dolphins.

01:40:56.000 They eat them.

01:40:57.000 Fuck, I didn't know that.

01:40:59.000 It's bullshit.

01:40:59.000 They kill them.

01:41:00.000 I thought they fucked sharks up.

01:41:02.000 They do.

01:41:03.000 They fucked dolphins up too.

01:41:04.000 What was that, Chips?

01:41:04.000 What show was it?

01:41:06.000 Make sure I'm correct about them eating them.

01:41:08.000 I know they kill them.

01:41:10.000 How could they catch a dolphin?

01:41:12.000 Maybe they don't eat them.

01:41:13.000 They kill them.

01:41:14.000 Dude, I'm telling you.

01:41:15.000 Great whites kill dolphins.

01:41:16.000 They kill whales, too.

01:41:18.000 No, not great whites.

01:41:19.000 No, orcas.

01:41:19.000 Did we say great whites?

01:41:20.000 Yes.

01:41:21.000 Oh, okay.

01:41:22.000 I knew the killer whales.

01:41:23.000 Yeah, killer whales.

01:41:24.000 They definitely kill dolphins, too.

01:41:25.000 Yes, for sure.

01:41:25.000 Great whites do, too, if they can.

01:41:27.000 I was talking about great whites.

01:41:27.000 If they can get them.

01:41:29.000 Oh, my God.

01:41:29.000 I'm tired.

01:41:30.000 I thought you said...

01:41:31.000 That's so stupid.

01:41:32.000 I thought you said killer whales.

01:41:33.000 But for sure, a great white ain't gonna kill no dolphin, right?

01:41:36.000 A great white?

01:41:37.000 They can, yeah.

01:41:37.000 If they bite them, yeah, they can get them.

01:41:39.000 If they fuck up, if somebody fucks up.

01:41:42.000 But I think that the size difference between killer whales and great whites is just too big.

01:41:47.000 But it's just very disappointing when you find out that great whites, or that killer whales, rather.

01:41:51.000 Not great whites.

01:41:52.000 I keep saying great whites.

01:41:54.000 The killer whales are killing dolphins.

01:41:55.000 And they kill other whales, too.

01:41:57.000 Yeah.

01:41:57.000 Like, you know, the Arctic, the North Pole's melting.

01:42:02.000 There's, like, these whales that are out there that killer whales can't get to because of the ice.

01:42:06.000 They can hang in the ice because they don't have a dorsal thing or something, and they can swim through the ice.

01:42:09.000 But now that all the ice is gone, killer whales are coming up to eat them.

01:42:13.000 Yeah, isn't that crazy?

01:42:14.000 So they're eating other whales so much that it's fucking up the Eskimo economy because they kill those whales.

01:42:20.000 But now the killer whales are killing the whales they kill.

01:42:23.000 Isn't that nuts?

01:42:24.000 They rely on whales they kill.

01:42:26.000 Yeah.

01:42:28.000 God.

01:42:29.000 So they need help.

01:42:30.000 They need to do something about the killer whale problem.

01:42:32.000 How many people are up there?

01:42:33.000 Do they like it up there?

01:42:36.000 These people that are living off whales, are they enjoying themselves?

01:42:38.000 What is it?

01:42:39.000 What keeps about that?

01:42:40.000 They've never been to Arizona.

01:42:41.000 There's not a fence, right?

01:42:43.000 They stay.

01:42:45.000 They should come to Phoenix.

01:42:46.000 It's fucking 100 below zero.

01:42:47.000 They're like, we're just going to tough it out.

01:42:49.000 It's not good, too.

01:42:50.000 It's not good as far as the way their health is.

01:42:54.000 Well, it doesn't the population doesn't grow out there.

01:42:56.000 It's always the same.

01:42:57.000 I think the kids end up graduating and saying fuck that.

01:43:01.000 Like Curtis Hamborow, Ted Planet, Austin head instructor from Alaska.

01:43:05.000 They all get the fuck out.

01:43:06.000 They don't stay.

01:43:07.000 Well, Alaska is one thing like Anchorage is badass, but this is like the where the people are eating Whales and shit, they're like north of that.

01:43:15.000 They're like way up there.

01:43:17.000 They're like in the frozen parts.

01:43:20.000 Anchorage is actually close to the coast, so it's not a bad place to live.

01:43:23.000 I've never been to Anchorage.

01:43:25.000 It's fucking great, man.

01:43:26.000 Is it like Vancouver?

01:43:27.000 Like a colder Vancouver where it's only dark out for like an hour in the summer.

01:43:33.000 It's weird.

01:43:34.000 You go outside at like 4 o'clock in the morning, it's bright out.

01:43:37.000 Bright out like 5 o'clock at night.

01:43:39.000 Bright out.

01:43:40.000 And it's like 4 in the morning.

01:43:41.000 You're like, what the fuck is going on here?

01:43:43.000 I got a little of that in Sweden.

01:43:45.000 Because when you go to Sweden, it's kind of north.

01:43:46.000 So it's like the sun's still out and it's 11 o'clock at night.

01:43:50.000 And the sun is still in your face.

01:43:52.000 But I've never been that north.

01:43:56.000 Never been to Alaska.

01:43:57.000 It's crazy up there.

01:43:58.000 You did comedy up there?

01:43:59.000 Yeah.

01:44:00.000 I did comedy in Anchorage with Ari.

01:44:02.000 It's beautiful.

01:44:03.000 People are badass, too.

01:44:05.000 Did you get in some bow and arrowing?

01:44:06.000 No, we were fishing.

01:44:08.000 We went salmon fishing while we were up there.

01:44:11.000 It's beautiful, man.

01:44:12.000 Just beautiful.

01:44:13.000 That was the first time I saw an actual live in the flesh eagle.

01:44:17.000 Like outside of the zoo, like watching a big-ass eagle fly right over your head is a trip.

01:44:22.000 We had an eagle fly, you know, shit, 100 yards over our head.

01:44:27.000 They'll take a baby, won't they?

01:44:29.000 They probably avoid people.

01:44:32.000 But if you leave your kid out on the lawn, yeah.

01:44:35.000 Yeah, if you just stand back and let, if they're hungry, especially if there's something wrong with them, like they're too tired to go get a salmon, and they're getting old.

01:44:44.000 I mean, eagles get old, too.

01:44:45.000 That's when, like, a lot of animals get dangerous.

01:44:48.000 When they get older, like cats, big cats, they get dangerous, and they get older, they can't catch dogs anymore.

01:44:53.000 You know, and they're fucking hungry, man.

01:44:55.000 They gotta figure something out.

01:44:57.000 A fucking eagle taking your baby?

01:44:59.000 Can you imagine how you'd feel if you're looking up and seeing an eagle fly off with your kid?

01:45:03.000 There's that video, right?

01:45:04.000 It's fake.

01:45:05.000 It ended up being fake.

01:45:06.000 I think I believed it for two minutes.

01:45:08.000 I believed it.

01:45:09.000 I believed it.

01:45:10.000 I believed that just like I believed the orangutan fishing video.

01:45:12.000 Oh, man.

01:45:13.000 Oh, wait a minute.

01:45:14.000 So it's not real.

01:45:15.000 It is real.

01:45:15.000 No, it is.

01:45:16.000 He just didn't pull it off, but it really was trying to do it.

01:45:19.000 The orangutan was.

01:45:21.000 Yeah, man, there's just...

01:45:23.000 So many videos like that and so many, it's hard to know what is right and what's not, you know?

01:45:29.000 With the Photoshopping skills like Photoshop Steve.

01:45:31.000 Oh my God.

01:45:32.000 Oh man, that guy's obsessed.

01:45:34.000 He's so good.

01:45:35.000 Like things like that, right?

01:45:37.000 Like you look at those pictures like, okay, that could be real or not real.

01:45:41.000 You know, it's so good.

01:45:42.000 Photos don't mean shit.

01:45:44.000 You have photo evidence really, you really do.

01:45:46.000 Well, when is it going to be?

01:45:49.000 How long is it going to be before we...

01:45:51.000 I guess it's probably already happened, right?

01:45:53.000 Where they've proven that photographs that are used in propaganda are faked.

01:45:57.000 It must have happened.

01:45:59.000 Didn't happen during the Iraq war?

01:46:01.000 Wasn't there some fake photos of missiles or something like that?

01:46:06.000 God damn it.

01:46:06.000 I bet they do that shit all the time.

01:46:08.000 They green screen and they pretend they're in Lebanon and shit when they're really in Virginia.

01:46:14.000 They've been busted pretending they're in the Iraq war and bombs are going off and they got helmets on and shit.

01:46:19.000 They have been busted doing that.

01:46:21.000 Yeah, they have.

01:46:22.000 Yeah, it's like on YouTube.

01:46:23.000 They left the cameras rolling for, the tape is like an hour.

01:46:23.000 I know.

01:46:27.000 You can go on YouTube.

01:46:28.000 CNN, during the 91 Operation Freedom War, they were fake in the news.

01:46:35.000 It sounds so funny.

01:46:37.000 It's so ridiculous.

01:46:38.000 You know what?

01:46:39.000 And good for them.

01:46:40.000 They're supposed to be doing that shit.

01:46:42.000 They're supposed to be doing that shit.

01:46:44.000 You run that empire!

01:46:45.000 You know what I mean?

01:46:46.000 I don't think that's what they're doing, man.

01:46:48.000 They're trying to put together...

01:46:49.000 You think they're saving money?

01:46:50.000 They're trying to put together entertainment, man.

01:46:52.000 They're trying to put together entertainment.

01:46:54.000 Hey, what about Operation Mockingbird?

01:46:57.000 You take that, that was real.

01:46:59.000 And that was a real...

01:47:01.000 Which one was that?

01:47:03.000 The CIA infiltrating broadcasting and journalism for propaganda purposes.

01:47:12.000 This is a real operation.

01:47:14.000 Well, there's been some real operations that are undeniable, that are pretty fucking crazy.

01:47:19.000 And then how crazy is it that at CNN, it's rumored that based on how they present stuff, based on how it's going down, what they show, what they're pushing, and based on the agenda, Any retard will say,

01:47:36.000 now, you can't believe Fox News.

01:47:37.000 Even retards say that.

01:47:38.000 Even retards say, you can't believe Fox News.

01:47:40.000 Everybody knows that.

01:47:41.000 Well, CNN's just like that.

01:47:43.000 It's just the other side.

01:47:44.000 So that's easy to believe.

01:47:45.000 And then Anderson Cooper was in the CIA. He denied it for a long time.

01:47:48.000 Then he came out and said, I was just there for a summer.

01:47:50.000 He was like an intern, right?

01:47:51.000 Is that what he said?

01:47:53.000 Once you're in, you're in.

01:47:56.000 He was in.

01:47:58.000 How come you denied it at first?

01:47:59.000 And then his family comes from...

01:48:03.000 Super wealthy background, the Vanderbilts and all that shit.

01:48:07.000 It's like, I don't know, man.

01:48:09.000 I was going to say, the other one that's really crazy is Operation Midnight Climax.

01:48:13.000 You ever hear about that one?

01:48:14.000 Nope.

01:48:15.000 The government ran brothels in San Francisco and New York, and they got guys who came in to get laid, and they dosed them with LSD so they could study them.

01:48:26.000 That's not a conspiracy theory?

01:48:27.000 No, no, that's real.

01:48:28.000 That's 100% real.

01:48:29.000 Freedom of Information Act.

01:48:31.000 Operation Midnight Climax.

01:48:32.000 How the CIA dosed San Francisco citizens with LSD. Now, how crazy does that sound?

01:48:38.000 If we said that happened today, like it's going on today, you would be thought as a crazy man.

01:48:44.000 But it's happened before, unless that's not true.

01:48:46.000 No, no, this is true.

01:48:47.000 Well, then it happened before.

01:48:48.000 Yeah.

01:48:48.000 Blow this up a little bigger so I can read it.

01:48:51.000 Here it goes.

01:48:51.000 You're crazy if you think they'll do it again.

01:48:54.000 You're considered nuts.

01:48:54.000 Lift it up.

01:48:56.000 That's crazier than any conspiracy theory I believe in.

01:48:59.000 That's the craziest one.

01:49:00.000 Listen to what it says.

01:49:01.000 It's been over 50 years, but Wayne Ritchie says he can still remember how it felt to be dosed with acid.

01:49:06.000 He was drinking bourbon and soda with other federal officers on a holiday party in 1957 at the U.S. Post Office building on 7th and Mission Streets.

01:49:15.000 They were cracking jokes and swapping stories.

01:49:17.000 Suddenly the room began to spin.

01:49:18.000 The red and green lights on the Christmas tree in the corner spiraled wildly.

01:49:23.000 Richie's body temperature rose.

01:49:25.000 His gaze fixed on the dizzying colors around him.

01:49:33.000 He got jacked.

01:49:36.000 Somebody dosed him.

01:49:37.000 But that's not...

01:49:38.000 This guy is not the guy...

01:49:41.000 I think this is...

01:49:43.000 He's talking about being dosed at a party.

01:49:45.000 He's not talking about Operation Midnight Climax, is he?

01:49:48.000 Because Midnight Climax was about brothels.

01:49:50.000 That's why they were calling it Operation Midnight Climax.

01:49:53.000 But this guy's talking about getting...

01:49:55.000 Feeling the...

01:49:57.000 Yeah.

01:49:57.000 He definitely...

01:49:58.000 Well, he's a...

01:50:00.000 Let's see here.

01:50:00.000 Sounds like he was high.

01:50:02.000 They were participating against their will in these studies is what it was, essentially.

01:50:06.000 Whatever.

01:50:06.000 Just go Google into it.

01:50:07.000 Look into it, folks.

01:50:08.000 Google into it.

01:50:09.000 I don't think that's a real term.

01:50:11.000 But it's really interesting because what had happened was they were doing these studies on soldiers and they just couldn't get people to do it anymore.

01:50:16.000 People were like, get the fuck out of here.

01:50:17.000 They didn't want to do it anymore.

01:50:19.000 So then they started to figure, let's just try it on some other people.

01:50:23.000 They figured if they did it in a whorehouse, nobody would say anything.

01:50:26.000 Guys don't want to admit they were there in the first place.

01:50:28.000 Just dose them up with acid, then walk out of there all crazy.

01:50:32.000 Smart, goddammit.

01:50:34.000 They do a lot of smart fucking shit.

01:50:36.000 Goddammit.

01:50:37.000 It's all set up so brilliantly.

01:50:39.000 I mean, just the fact everybody knows that there's corruption at the top levels in the CIA. Not everybody, but there's a lot of corruption.

01:50:50.000 Everybody knows that, and it's okay.

01:50:52.000 It's like the people that are really running shit, like the corporations and the international bankers, like, they...

01:50:59.000 The CIA is right there with nobody to sue, no one to throw in jail, no one's accountable.

01:51:07.000 It's just right there.

01:51:08.000 They're involved in all this shit, just like what you just posted.

01:51:10.000 They're involved in that shit.

01:51:11.000 No one's accountable.

01:51:12.000 Well, you know what I think is going to happen?

01:51:14.000 What I see as possible to happen?

01:51:17.000 The same thing that's happening with performance-enhancing drugs in the UFC. That with someone like Jeff Nowitzki, when they have these USADA guys that are just...

01:51:28.000 Showing up at your house 4 o'clock in the morning, taking random tests.

01:51:32.000 They have all these crazy things they could test for that no one even knew about, you know?

01:51:37.000 So slowly but surely, everybody's forced to be natural and compete naturally.

01:51:42.000 And that's what we're seeing right now in the UFC. It's just too risky.

01:51:45.000 They're too good.

01:51:46.000 They're too sophisticated, right?

01:51:48.000 So as far as we know, everybody's fighting natural.

01:51:50.000 But we also know that they definitely didn't.

01:51:52.000 They cheated like a motherfucker.

01:51:54.000 Everybody did.

01:51:55.000 In other organizations, we know it.

01:51:57.000 We know guys who did it.

01:51:58.000 We know guys that would just be juiced out of their fucking mind, and everybody else was juiced out of their mind, too.

01:52:02.000 And that's how the game was being done.

01:52:04.000 Everybody was competing on that level.

01:52:05.000 So we know that.

01:52:06.000 So in a lot of ways...

01:52:09.000 I think that's because of something like, you know, the new understanding of how to test people and something like the UFC hiring Novitski to go after this, right?

01:52:19.000 But that's data, right?

01:52:20.000 It's information.

01:52:21.000 All that information, as it does come out, they're forced to do it straight and narrow.

01:52:25.000 I think that's going to be the case with government at a certain point in time.

01:52:28.000 I think the people that are making a fuckload of money in corporations are going to make a fuckload of money anyway.

01:52:32.000 But they're not going to be able to manipulate environmental laws the way they're doing now and get away with it.

01:52:37.000 It'll be more transparent.

01:52:39.000 They'll not be able to influence politicians to influence laws to make it favor their business.

01:52:44.000 They just won't be able to do it so easily.

01:52:46.000 I think there's always going to be money to be made.

01:52:48.000 There's always going to be people buying cars and buildings.

01:52:51.000 There's always going to be commerce.

01:52:52.000 But I think There'll be less fuckery in the future.

01:52:57.000 That's what I think.

01:52:58.000 Corporate fuckery.

01:52:59.000 I hope so.

01:53:01.000 I don't think you can hide things forever when it comes to, like, some of the practices that some corporations that are unscrupulous will engage in that aren't necessarily ethical.

01:53:11.000 Like, how about the BP oil spill, right?

01:53:13.000 Like, how about how the other, you know, the way they cleaned it up and they made people...

01:53:19.000 There's people in that town that...

01:53:23.000 I mean, how much of a loss was that to them?

01:53:26.000 How could you possibly compensate them for that?

01:53:28.000 I don't know too much about the BP oil spill.

01:53:30.000 BP oil spill is pretty fucking crazy.

01:53:32.000 I know it killed the Gulf and all that, but I don't know the details.

01:53:35.000 I don't know.

01:53:36.000 There was some kind of, you know...

01:53:39.000 I don't know anything about it.

01:53:40.000 I haven't looked into it.

01:53:41.000 It was one of those things that they pulled the oil out of the ground.

01:53:44.000 Yeah, and there was an explosion.

01:53:45.000 It was exploded.

01:53:46.000 Killed a lot of animals and ruined a lot of industry.

01:53:50.000 Shooting fucking oil into the ocean.

01:53:53.000 Yeah.

01:53:54.000 It's crazy.

01:53:56.000 It's amazing how many gallons were being pumped into the ocean, and even more amazing how the ocean just sort of absorbs it.

01:54:02.000 What do you think of Trump?

01:54:05.000 That's a long question.

01:54:06.000 I don't know if we have time for this.

01:54:08.000 I think this is a strange time.

01:54:12.000 It's strange to see a president that is...

01:54:14.000 Okay, whether you like him or don't like him, whether you support his beliefs or you think he's the worst thing ever, I'm just looking at it as objectively, like as a performance piece.

01:54:27.000 There's never been a guy that understands how to manipulate the media the way he does.

01:54:35.000 Never.

01:54:35.000 No one even close.

01:54:36.000 Everything he does is a big story.

01:54:38.000 He says outrageous things, and because he says outrageous things, they tune in to make sure he says more outrageous things.

01:54:44.000 The more outrageous things he says, the more people go, he's saying outrageous things!

01:54:48.000 Let's tune in!

01:54:49.000 He's the biggest show in town.

01:54:51.000 Like, it's not even close.

01:54:53.000 It's not even close who generates more Attention.

01:54:56.000 Who's got people more riled up about it?

01:54:59.000 People are bored as fuck.

01:55:01.000 They're bored.

01:55:02.000 They're bored.

01:55:04.000 They hired Obama, they thought everything was gonna change, and it, I guess, did a little in some fronts, and it was good socially, and the world's evolving in that way, in that direction anyway, so that's all good.

01:55:15.000 But Guantanamo Bay's still open, people are still in Afghanistan, it seems like the, you know, it's still chaos everywhere.

01:55:23.000 I don't know if anybody could have ever fixed it, right?

01:55:27.000 We're just bored.

01:55:28.000 We're bored.

01:55:29.000 What is this?

01:55:30.000 What are we doing?

01:55:30.000 What is this world?

01:55:31.000 Why are we in the Middle East?

01:55:32.000 What is going on?

01:55:33.000 Why do I have to worry about war?

01:55:34.000 Why do I have to worry about gas?

01:55:35.000 Why do I have to worry about global warming?

01:55:36.000 What's going to happen with the polar bears?

01:55:37.000 God damn it!

01:55:39.000 And then all of a sudden this guy comes along telling you how big his dick is.

01:55:42.000 He says, I'm going to build up a fucking wall a million miles high, keep the Mexicans out.

01:55:47.000 It sounds like Joey Diaz.

01:55:48.000 The first wall they built, they didn't finish.

01:55:50.000 Yeah.

01:55:51.000 They already put up a wall.

01:55:52.000 It's crazy.

01:55:53.000 And everybody cheers.

01:55:54.000 You know, and the Mexican president calls me up and says, who's going to pay for that wall?

01:55:58.000 You're going to pay for that wall!

01:56:00.000 And the wall just got ten feet higher!

01:56:02.000 And he hangs up the phone and everybody's cheering.

01:56:06.000 He really said that?

01:56:08.000 Yes.

01:56:08.000 Yeah, he told the guy, the wall just got 10 feet higher.

01:56:11.000 You know what I told him?

01:56:12.000 The wall just got 10 feet higher.

01:56:14.000 And everybody goes, yeah!

01:56:15.000 Oh, I would love to see that clip.

01:56:17.000 Can you find that clip?

01:56:19.000 He's like a movie from the 80s.

01:56:21.000 And yesterday, the top person, president of Mexico, said, we will never, ever pay for that wall.

01:56:29.000 And the press called me up.

01:56:31.000 And they said Calderon, the head man.

01:56:34.000 Top person.

01:56:36.000 He said he won't pay.

01:56:37.000 He won't pay for it.

01:56:38.000 And you know what I said?

01:56:39.000 I said, the wall just got 10 feet higher.

01:56:43.000 That's right.

01:56:47.000 He fucked it up by keep saying it's true.

01:56:49.000 It's true.

01:56:51.000 He's so strange.

01:56:53.000 It's just so bizarre.

01:56:54.000 I feel like...

01:56:56.000 I feel almost like I'm watching one of them late night televangelist shows where somebody wants your money.

01:57:02.000 I'm like, you can't have my money.

01:57:03.000 You already have money.

01:57:03.000 Look at you.

01:57:05.000 You can't get my money.

01:57:09.000 It feels like it's fake.

01:57:12.000 It feels like this is the final piece of the simulation theory.

01:57:15.000 Yeah.

01:57:16.000 The final piece of the show where it's going to reveal that this has all been a comedy all along.

01:57:22.000 All been a strange comedy.

01:57:23.000 I mean, do you think he's really...

01:57:26.000 He's better than the other ones, except for Bernie.

01:57:30.000 He's better than all the other people on the Republican side.

01:57:33.000 I mean, Marco Rubio seems like a reasonable guy in a lot of ways, the way he talks.

01:57:39.000 I don't know exactly what his beliefs are, but him and Trump, they get into these insult competitions and it looks so foolish.

01:57:46.000 It's like, just because Trump does it, just don't do it better than him.

01:57:50.000 Don't do it better than him.

01:57:52.000 Talk about how ridiculous it is.

01:57:54.000 And don't allow that guy to...

01:57:56.000 He's talking about how big his hands are and they're going back and forth with each other and insulting his hair and insulting his spray tan.

01:58:04.000 It's like they're roasting against each other.

01:58:06.000 This is not presidential.

01:58:08.000 Do you understand?

01:58:09.000 You guys have a limited amount of time.

01:58:11.000 They bagged on his tan?

01:58:12.000 The fake tan.

01:58:13.000 Yeah, and Trump was bagging on Rubio, wearing makeup.

01:58:17.000 The whole thing is ridiculous.

01:58:18.000 Like, this is a terrible way to have these people together.

01:58:21.000 Like, to have these people all competing, then what you're gonna get is who's the best at, like, giving you a sound bite under pressure.

01:58:29.000 You're not gonna get who's the best leader.

01:58:32.000 Who's the best at doing that debate thing?

01:58:34.000 That's what you're going to get.

01:58:35.000 Because it's a weird thing.

01:58:36.000 You're standing up there on a podium.

01:58:38.000 You're right next to a guy who's talking shit about you.

01:58:40.000 What he's saying is not even true.

01:58:42.000 And you're like, you can't even respond.

01:58:43.000 You've got to wait.

01:58:44.000 Like, fuck you, man.

01:58:45.000 It's a stupid way to talk.

01:58:47.000 And the fact that they time them, they give them like, ready, go.

01:58:50.000 No, this is what you do.

01:58:51.000 You let them talk for a long period of time.

01:58:53.000 If they're long-winded and boring, people don't like them anymore.

01:58:56.000 That's what happens.

01:58:58.000 You put them in a long form.

01:58:59.000 Have them talk for hours and hours.

01:59:01.000 Let them talk on a podcast.

01:59:03.000 Every fucking presidential candidate should have a long-form podcast that they have to do every day.

01:59:08.000 And we see whether or not people want to listen to you.

01:59:11.000 Not, like, have someone barking at you on the left.

01:59:14.000 Tell me what the fuck you can do.

01:59:15.000 And then have someone talk to them that understands what can and can't be done.

01:59:19.000 Have someone who's a real political expert sitting down and asking them some hard questions.

01:59:24.000 And do it all the time.

01:59:26.000 And based on that and their qualifications, but based on, like, back and forth bullshit bickering with each other and insulting each other on our spray tans and your...

01:59:36.000 That's so crazy.

01:59:38.000 You guys are going to run the greatest army the world has ever known and you're acting like assholes.

01:59:43.000 This is so stupid.

01:59:44.000 This isn't just a bunch of guys trying to win a game show.

01:59:49.000 If you win, you run the world.

01:59:52.000 And you're insulting each other on makeup and tan?

01:59:55.000 You should be saying, do you know how fucking stupid it is?

01:59:58.000 That we're talking about, we have a five minute time period that you get to talk in, or whatever the fuck it is, and you're gonna spend your time insulting each other on hand size, and you guys are babies.

02:00:09.000 You know you can't be the king.

02:00:10.000 No, you guys are not the best.

02:00:11.000 There's no way you could be the best.

02:00:13.000 So, like, he is involved in that, and Ted Cruz is like super religious, which always makes me go, man, I don't know about that.

02:00:19.000 Ben Carson is super reasonable, but super religious.

02:00:23.000 Trump is the guy that stands out as at least he's a rich guy that doesn't give a fuck.

02:00:28.000 Are there anything, any good things that Trump says that you agree with?

02:00:33.000 You know what, man?

02:00:34.000 I honestly have been so blown away by the bad things that he said that I've barely paid attention to the good things.

02:00:41.000 But the shit that he said about Mexico, like, you know, well, someone's doing all the raping.

02:00:45.000 Like, you know, bringing over murderers and rapists.

02:00:47.000 And I was like, oh, my God.

02:00:49.000 Like, you just, that's a whole country.

02:00:50.000 You're talking about millions of people.

02:00:52.000 You're talking about, you know, like, well, someone's doing the raping.

02:00:55.000 He says some crazy shit, and it works.

02:00:58.000 Man, it works as far as, like, if it's all a PR campaign, and he just gets in there and he says, ladies and gentlemen, look, I said what I said, and I did what I did to prove a point that our media system is corrupt.

02:01:07.000 This whole system is broken.

02:01:09.000 It needs to be fixed.

02:01:11.000 It's like a bad computer.

02:01:13.000 It needs to be rebuilt.

02:01:14.000 This is not good.

02:01:15.000 Like, you can't have a guy just juke the system like I just did.

02:01:18.000 That would be the most amazing thing.

02:01:20.000 If he gets into office and says, this is a very important position.

02:01:22.000 So no more insults, no more bullshit.

02:01:24.000 And now that I'm here, I'm going to just hire the best people and we'll try to figure out what the fuck's wrong with this country.

02:01:28.000 How amazing would that be?

02:01:29.000 If he said, look, I had to insult these dummies in order to get in there.

02:01:32.000 I couldn't let Hillary talk shit.

02:01:33.000 I had to go in there guns blazing.

02:01:35.000 I had to take out Ben Sanders and fucking Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio.

02:01:39.000 But now that all that's done, we can all work together.

02:01:41.000 What do you think of Hillary?

02:01:43.000 What is your opinion of her?

02:01:45.000 I don't know how you can be entrenched in the system for as long as she's been entrenched in the system and not be the past.

02:01:58.000 That's the system, right?

02:02:00.000 The system is...

02:02:02.000 These special interest groups and lobbyists and making deals and sitting down with all these people.

02:02:10.000 In one hand, she knows more about government than any of them.

02:02:14.000 She knows more about government than...

02:02:17.000 For sure, Trump, right?

02:02:19.000 I mean, he knows about influence.

02:02:21.000 He knows how to influence politicians.

02:02:22.000 He donates money to politicians.

02:02:24.000 He understands all that.

02:02:25.000 But as far as being in the boardrooms when the shit goes down, Hillary's like, she's been right in there.

02:02:32.000 So as far as qualifications, no one's got more qualifications for president than Hillary does.

02:02:39.000 The problem is...

02:02:43.000 We all agree.

02:02:44.000 I think we all agree.

02:02:45.000 And this is not a knock against Hillary.

02:02:46.000 We all agree that this system is fucked.

02:02:48.000 It's ridiculous.

02:02:49.000 Representative government is kind of crazy.

02:02:51.000 The idea that you can have a bunch of people, they vote, and they vote for one person, that person represents that state, and then they try to pick the president, you have the electoral college, and all this wackiness.

02:03:02.000 We all agree that that's kind of crazy, right?

02:03:04.000 We all agree that it doesn't make much sense.

02:03:05.000 There's a lot of things we don't get to vote on.

02:03:07.000 There's a lot of decisions the country goes one way or another way that we were really unhappy with and it would be nice if we had like a giant public debate.

02:03:15.000 So the only person that's going to change that, the only person who's going to knock that off its ass, is Trump.

02:03:21.000 Because he's the only guy who's got his own money like that, from the Republican side.

02:03:25.000 He's the only guy.

02:03:26.000 And in the Democrat side, Hillary's got a shitload of money, but she's kind of a part of the system.

02:03:31.000 And Bernie Sanders, you know, he's got some good ideas socially, wants to make marijuana legal.

02:03:37.000 He wants to help people.

02:03:39.000 He wants to unite us.

02:03:42.000 He wants to pay for student education, which I think is a great idea.

02:03:47.000 He wants to raise up the minimum wage.

02:03:48.000 I think that's a great idea, too, even though I don't know shit about economics.

02:03:53.000 So it's like there's not a lot of great choices.

02:03:56.000 I guess Hillary would be the best choice on paper because she's been there.

02:04:01.000 Right, on paper.

02:04:02.000 Or Trump.

02:04:02.000 No, not even on paper.

02:04:03.000 She's a crook.

02:04:05.000 You think she's a crook?

02:04:06.000 Do you know we're on the air?

02:04:07.000 I'm like, we're live.

02:04:09.000 Oh, is that bad?

02:04:09.000 This is live.

02:04:10.000 This is debate talking, right?

02:04:12.000 But you can't say she's a crook.

02:04:12.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

02:04:13.000 You've got to say allegedly.

02:04:15.000 Allegedly.

02:04:16.000 What makes you say allegedly she's a crook?

02:04:17.000 Oh, man.

02:04:18.000 Watch that documentary, the Clinton Chronicles, and all the stuff that, you know, the Whitewater scandal and all that stuff.

02:04:25.000 I mean, dude, she's in the Bilderberg group.

02:04:29.000 Come on.

02:04:30.000 Is she?

02:04:30.000 She's deep.

02:04:31.000 Her and Bill are deep, deep, deep.

02:04:33.000 That's not a conspiracy theory.

02:04:34.000 That's real.

02:04:35.000 She's in the Bilderberg Group?

02:04:35.000 The Bilderberg Group is not a conspiracy theory anymore.

02:04:38.000 The Rothschilds or the Rockefellers refer to it as the Bilderberg Group.

02:04:42.000 They started it.

02:04:46.000 They flaunt it now.

02:04:47.000 And she's in it, her and Bill.

02:04:49.000 They're very powerful and they're deep, deep, deep in the top.

02:04:52.000 They're way up there.

02:04:55.000 They needed Bill to run everything through Arkansas.

02:04:57.000 They had to bring him in.

02:05:00.000 They ran everything through Arkansas.

02:05:02.000 That's not a conspiracy theory.

02:05:04.000 They ran all their stuff through Arkansas.

02:05:05.000 They needed the governor to cooperate, and that was Bill Clinton.

02:05:09.000 And to show their appreciation, he became the next president.

02:05:12.000 He went from Arkansas, obscure.

02:05:15.000 Now he's part of the Bilderberg Group.

02:05:19.000 Just like that, some Arkansas governor, just like that, boom.

02:05:22.000 Dude, that Narcos on Netflix?

02:05:26.000 Yeah.

02:05:26.000 I finally finished it.

02:05:27.000 Dude, come on.

02:05:28.000 Oh my god.

02:05:29.000 I wouldn't have gotten into it if it wasn't for you.

02:05:29.000 Dude!

02:05:32.000 I really wasn't interested in it.

02:05:33.000 Oh.

02:05:34.000 I just was like, oh yeah, more drug stuff.

02:05:36.000 You gotta trust me more, man.

02:05:37.000 Oh my god.

02:05:38.000 I do trust you.

02:05:39.000 That's why I did it.

02:05:39.000 Not more.

02:05:40.000 And then Cartel Land is next.

02:05:41.000 Cartel Land is next.

02:05:41.000 How dare you?

02:05:43.000 You're not the only one.

02:05:43.000 I hear.

02:05:44.000 Sounds like a generic, dumb, run-of-the-mill documentary.

02:05:48.000 It's special.

02:05:48.000 It's not.

02:05:49.000 Damn.

02:05:50.000 It's a special documentary that's going to blow your mind.

02:05:52.000 And again, how big oil conquered the world, like the history of the Rockefellers.

02:05:57.000 Fuck.

02:06:00.000 That's the craziest show.

02:06:01.000 That's where it all came from.

02:06:04.000 The conspiracy theorists, whatever you want to call them, they claim that it's all connected.

02:06:09.000 9-11, JFK, it's the same people and they're all connected.

02:06:12.000 It's the same family, it's the same secret society and it goes back.

02:06:15.000 Well, most of it started with John D. Rockefeller and Standard oil.

02:06:22.000 And when you learn that shit, holy fuck.

02:06:24.000 The history.

02:06:25.000 And you know the craziest thing about the whole thing is he was so into monopolizing oil and everything.

02:06:31.000 It wasn't just oil.

02:06:32.000 Banking.

02:06:33.000 He got into everything.

02:06:34.000 Big Pharma.

02:06:35.000 He had control of everything.

02:06:37.000 He was so...

02:06:37.000 John Rockefeller was so dominant.

02:06:39.000 He was the first billionaire.

02:06:41.000 He was ruling the world, man.

02:06:43.000 And the one thing is that all...

02:06:45.000 Hemp or marijuana conspiracy theorists, they all are aware of the reefer madness propaganda.

02:06:51.000 We all know that as weed enthusiasts.

02:06:54.000 We know about the propaganda that the government, you know, and then finally it worked after 10 years of all this propaganda that made weed look like it killed you and stuff and made you do crazy shit.

02:07:05.000 They made it illegal.

02:07:07.000 And we all know that that's from big industry like DuPont and the Rockefellers and all that.

02:07:11.000 We all know that, that they were trying to shut down the industry.

02:07:13.000 They were blaming it on the Mexican smoking weed.

02:07:15.000 But we all know that as weed enthusiasts.

02:07:18.000 But you know what you don't know is, you know, alcohol prohibition was also because of John Rockefeller.

02:07:24.000 He supported anti-alcohol groups and blew them up and donated millions to blow them up to get to outlaw alcohol because he saw it as a threat to gasoline.

02:07:36.000 Whoa.

02:07:37.000 Yes, and this is not a conspiracy theory.

02:07:39.000 Alcohol prohibition was all backed by John D. Rockefeller.

02:07:43.000 Whoa, whoa, whoa.

02:07:44.000 It was a threat to gasoline?

02:07:46.000 Yes, alcohol.

02:07:47.000 Because they thought people were going to make like ethanol?

02:07:49.000 No, no, no.

02:07:49.000 He just wanted to ban, he wanted to crush the ethanol business, right?

02:07:54.000 Right, that's what I'm saying.

02:07:55.000 But the way he did it is to create this hysteria with drink, everyone has a drinking problem, everyone's killing each other.

02:08:01.000 So he did the same thing.

02:08:03.000 He did both of them.

02:08:04.000 Wow.

02:08:04.000 He did the same.

02:08:05.000 You're going to find out about this.

02:08:07.000 This is not a conspiracy theory.

02:08:10.000 Google this, Jamie.

02:08:12.000 Yes.

02:08:13.000 Quickly.

02:08:13.000 How big oil conquered the world.

02:08:15.000 But he funded the Anti-Saloon League.

02:08:21.000 It was run by one of his good friends.

02:08:24.000 And you know what ended up happening?

02:08:25.000 Same thing.

02:08:26.000 They outlawed alcohol.

02:08:28.000 You couldn't drink alcohol.

02:08:29.000 But they said, what about the alcohol for cars?

02:08:31.000 And they wrote in the law that you could still make alcohol for cars, but you got to put petroleum in it so that people don't drink it.

02:08:39.000 So it killed the business.

02:08:41.000 So now they got to put oil in it if you want to sell it.

02:08:44.000 And then it killed everything.

02:08:48.000 And he got busted for everything.

02:08:49.000 John D. Rockefeller's dad was named, they called him Devil Bill.

02:08:53.000 His dad, they know all about his dad.

02:08:54.000 This is not a conspiracy theory.

02:08:56.000 The historians will tell you about his father.

02:08:58.000 He created him.

02:08:59.000 He was a rapist, snake oil salesman, running from the law, changed his name.

02:09:06.000 Devil Bill?

02:09:07.000 Devil Bill.

02:09:08.000 That was his name.

02:09:08.000 So he had a bunch of sons and John D. Rockefeller was one.

02:09:10.000 And he was known, he wanted to, he was quoted as saying, I cheat my sons every day.

02:09:15.000 I want them as sharp as can be.

02:09:18.000 He just beat the living fucking trust out of them and just drowned all their trust.

02:09:23.000 John D. Rockefeller grew up not trusting anybody.

02:09:26.000 Look at this.

02:09:26.000 Rockefeller, Ford, and the secret history of alcohol.

02:09:30.000 Wow.

02:09:31.000 There's a secret history regarding alcohol that you won't hear in the 6 o'clock news.

02:09:34.000 Cars and everything else running on internal combustion engines can run on alcohol at least as well.

02:09:40.000 As they can run on gasoline.

02:09:41.000 Indeed, engines were built back in 1870 that could run using alcohol or gasoline.

02:09:47.000 A New York Times article from 1908 enthusiastically states, Autoists discuss alcohol as fuel.

02:09:54.000 Great future ahead for use in commercial wagons, says Professor Locke.

02:09:58.000 Locke?

02:09:59.000 What is it?

02:10:00.000 How do you say that?

02:10:01.000 Locke.

02:10:02.000 Locke.

02:10:04.000 Tests with motor truck E.R. Hewitt.

02:10:08.000 Tells engineers of his results with gasoline and alcohol in the same engine.

02:10:12.000 Henry Ford said that alcohol was a cleaner, nicer, better fuel for automobiles than gasoline.

02:10:16.000 Wow.

02:10:17.000 Holy shit.

02:10:19.000 Wow, this is nuts, man.

02:10:20.000 Yeah, it's the same thing.

02:10:21.000 This is fucking bananas.

02:10:24.000 It's gas propaganda.

02:10:25.000 Or alcohol propaganda.

02:10:25.000 Oh my god.

02:10:27.000 That is so crazy because you can make alcohol without fossil fuels.

02:10:31.000 So if you made alcohol today, you could fuel...

02:10:34.000 I mean, people can make alcohol, right?

02:10:36.000 People make alcohol, they moonshine.

02:10:38.000 Apparently, anything, any vegetable that ferments, you can use as fuel.

02:10:42.000 It's really simple.

02:10:43.000 Anything.

02:10:44.000 Do you know Neil Young has that?

02:10:45.000 Well, he has diesel, though.

02:10:47.000 He doesn't make alcohol fuel, but he makes diesel.

02:10:49.000 He makes biodiesel.

02:10:50.000 He has a giant ranch.

02:10:51.000 I think it's...

02:10:52.000 Isn't it the same thing?

02:10:52.000 Northern California.

02:10:53.000 If it ferments, it's...

02:10:55.000 Maybe you call it diesel, but it's fermented vegetable matter.

02:10:58.000 I don't know.

02:10:59.000 I'm just guessing.

02:11:00.000 I don't know.

02:11:00.000 But that's what Henry Ford said.

02:11:02.000 Henry Ford said anything that you could ferment, apples, anything, you could turn into biofuel.

02:11:07.000 That's crazy.

02:11:08.000 And John D. Rockefeller, that's what he was all about.

02:11:10.000 He's the richest man in the world, was raised by a psychopath.

02:11:15.000 Dude, he got busted for monopolizing oil.

02:11:16.000 They finally indicted him.

02:11:18.000 He had to break apart Standard Oil and it made him a billionaire.

02:11:22.000 That's what made him rich is when he got busted.

02:11:24.000 When he had to sell everything off, he took over education.

02:11:30.000 Is this in a documentary?

02:11:32.000 How Big Oil Conquered the World on YouTube.

02:11:32.000 What is it?

02:11:32.000 Yeah.

02:11:35.000 Oh my god, I'm scared.

02:11:37.000 You actually learn where it all comes from.

02:11:40.000 100%?

02:11:42.000 What a psycho.

02:11:42.000 100%.

02:11:44.000 Yeah, one dude.

02:11:45.000 One dude.

02:11:46.000 And all his sons.

02:11:46.000 Now his sons and his grandsons.

02:11:48.000 It kind of makes sense, right?

02:11:49.000 I mean, if you think about it, the really super ambitious people in business are a lot of times the most cutthroat.

02:11:58.000 How competitive do you got to be to be like a William Randolph Hearst?

02:12:02.000 One of these motherfuckers.

02:12:03.000 You know how he took over universities?

02:12:06.000 Dude, he wanted to take over the world.

02:12:07.000 He wasn't just trying to sell gas.

02:12:08.000 He was trying to take over the world.

02:12:09.000 Our education system is all based on Rockefeller Foundation shit.

02:12:14.000 He strategically wanted to make school so that we got people just smart enough.

02:12:21.000 This isn't conspiracy theory.

02:12:22.000 Just smart enough to work.

02:12:24.000 They didn't want anybody too smart.

02:12:26.000 That's how the school systems were designed.

02:12:28.000 Did he say this somewhere?

02:12:29.000 Dude, watch the documentary and then you come back and tell me.

02:12:32.000 Have you seen it, Jamie?

02:12:33.000 No, you just opened up a new rabbit hole motherfucker.

02:12:35.000 This is how he did it.

02:12:36.000 This is how he did it.

02:12:37.000 He would just donate.

02:12:39.000 He'd go to a university, like the University of Chicago, and just say, I'm going to give you millions of dollars.

02:12:43.000 And they said, oh shit.

02:12:44.000 He goes, but I got to have a couple of my people on your board to make sure it's spent right.

02:12:48.000 And they're like, okay.

02:12:49.000 So he gets his people in and then they just take over.

02:12:51.000 And they designed history.

02:12:54.000 John, do you recon...

02:12:55.000 Rockefeller got 20 historians and designed the history.

02:13:00.000 They designed it.

02:13:01.000 That's why when people, you know, you make fun of history in ninth grade books, you make fun of that history.

02:13:05.000 It's a joke, right?

02:13:06.000 It was put together by Rockefeller.

02:13:11.000 Dude, look at that number.

02:13:12.000 His peak wealth was $318.3 billion based on the 2007 U.S. dollar.

02:13:20.000 Oh my God.

02:13:21.000 He lived in 98. He was a motherfucker, bro.

02:13:25.000 Look at his dad.

02:13:26.000 He lived to be 98 years old.

02:13:27.000 Oh my God.

02:13:29.000 His dad, Big Bill Rockefeller.

02:13:31.000 They called him Devil Bill.

02:13:32.000 Yeah.

02:13:32.000 They called him a lot of things, but Devil Bill.

02:13:34.000 Shiftless man who spent most of his time thinking up schemes to avoid actual work.

02:13:38.000 Nevertheless, thanks to the guidelines of his mom, Eliza, a homemaker and devout Baptist, John D. grew up to be quite a hardworking man.

02:13:45.000 Okay.

02:13:47.000 Interesting.

02:13:49.000 Man.

02:13:50.000 Interesting shit.

02:13:51.000 I'll have to check that out.

02:13:52.000 What's it called?

02:13:53.000 What is it?

02:13:53.000 Big Oil What?

02:13:54.000 How Big Oil Conquered the World.

02:13:55.000 If you're a conspiracy theorist, most people don't go beyond JFK. There's so much in just JFK and then all this...

02:14:03.000 If you want to get into Watergate and the Iran-Contra and all of the 9-11, there's so much information.

02:14:09.000 It's so hard to get into multiple things.

02:14:11.000 But once you got that covered, go back and find out how it all started.

02:14:16.000 And you learn when you find out that George Sr.'s dad, Prescott Bush, started the CIA. And then you go back and his dad, Samuel Bush, was a Frank Rockefeller's right-hand man and how the Bushes and the Rockefellers have always ran shit.

02:14:35.000 When you go back, Samuel Bush, George Sr., think about how old he is, his grandfather ran with Rockefeller.

02:14:43.000 You have to do a podcast, you and Michael Shermer.

02:14:46.000 Who's that?

02:14:47.000 The guy who just left.

02:14:48.000 He didn't want to talk.

02:14:48.000 Oh, man.

02:14:50.000 Eddie grabbed him from the moment he walked in.

02:14:53.000 You think Tower 7 went down on its own the moment you walked in the door?

02:14:56.000 Don't ignore Tower 7. I don't want to ignore Tower 7, but I do have to wrap up this podcast.

02:15:01.000 I do have to end.

02:15:02.000 I've got to get the fuck out of here.

02:15:03.000 I'm so sorry.

02:15:04.000 I would love to talk about Tower 7. It's way late.

02:15:07.000 I've got to get out of here.

02:15:08.000 But we sort of broke down the UFC. We did for a while, right?

02:15:11.000 We totally did.

02:15:12.000 Conor and Nate are both fucking legends right now, both of them.

02:15:16.000 Holly Holm, Misha Tate, both legends right now.

02:15:19.000 We're going to look back at this 20 years from now and have an old man narrate the highlights and it's going to be fucking insane sitting in your wheelchair thinking about this shit.

02:15:27.000 Yeah, it was classic.

02:15:28.000 Classic shit.

02:15:28.000 I think it was the greatest two fights ever in UFC history.

02:15:32.000 That was the greatest UFC ever.

02:15:33.000 That was the greatest UFC ever.

02:15:34.000 No No doubt.

02:15:35.000 People keep saying it's the greatest ever because they keep getting better.

02:15:39.000 Those were the two highlights to me that made me bananas.

02:15:44.000 Even in Connor's defeat, he looked like a fucking global barbarian.

02:15:50.000 And he handled the loss like a champ right after the loss.

02:15:54.000 Right after the loss, he handled it like a champ.

02:15:57.000 We'll be back tomorrow.

02:15:57.000 All right, you fucks.

02:16:00.000 Tomorrow's Chris Bell, right?

02:16:01.000 From Prescription Thugs.

02:16:04.000 You ever seen that?

02:16:05.000 I want to see that.

02:16:05.000 I heard about that.

02:16:06.000 I'm watching it tonight.

02:16:06.000 I want to see that.

02:16:08.000 That's all Rockefeller too.

02:16:09.000 That's all.

02:16:09.000 Thank you.

02:16:10.000 Big kiss.

02:16:10.000 Bye bye.

The Joe Rogan Experience - March 07, 2016

Joe Rogan Experience #771 - Eddie Bravo

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