In this episode, Joe talks about the massive amount of pain pills prescribed in the United States, and why he thinks it's a problem. He also discusses the benefits of medical marijuana and how it can help combat pain. Joe also talks about his own addiction to painkillers and how he got sober after 22 months of sobriety. If you or someone you know is struggling with pain, or know someone who is, please talk to a doctor if you can. If you are struggling with anxiety, insomnia, or another medical problem, please seek medical help. I understand that being able to see a doctor and receive treatment is a privilege that not everyone has, but we can all benefit from it. Joe is an expert in addiction recovery and has been through rehab and recovery. He is also a former drug addict and has worked with people who have struggled with addictions to drugs and alcohol, such as Dr. Drew. We talk about the dangers of prescription drugs and how they can have a negative impact on our lives. Also, we talk about how medical marijuana can help fight pain and improve our overall well-being. Thank you for listening to this episode of Joe's podcast! I really appreciate it and I hope you enjoy this episode. -Joe and I talk about pot and how you can use it to help combat your pain and get through your day to day life. Enjoy! -Jon and Joe Enjoy -Tune in next week's episode of What's up Gentlemen! -Jon & Joe - Thank you, Jon & Joe, Joe, and Joe, Thank You, Jon, and Good Morning Joe! . Thank You for listening, Jon and Joe and Good Luck, Jon and Jon, Cheers, Cheers! XOXO, - Joe, Jake, and Cheers. -- -Sue, Joe, Matt, and Jake, Kristy, Evan, and the Crew, P. & Drew, and Mike, and much more! - - . . . - EJ, Mike, Paul, R. and John, and Dustin, and Ryan, and Ben, and Adam, and Gorms, etc., , and the rest, etc., etc., and much, etc. - , etc., & the rest of the crew, etc, etc.. & more. ,
00:01:20.000It definitely requires you to pay attention.
00:01:21.000It definitely requires you to watch what you eat.
00:01:24.000And most people don't want to do that.
00:01:26.000But what's stunning to me, I mean, there was a lot of stunning things in that documentary, but the sheer numbers of prescription pain pills that are prescribed in this country every year, That's staggering.
00:01:52.000Yeah, I mean, that's kind of what we're doing.
00:01:54.000I mean, a lot of people are just walking around, checked out.
00:01:56.000And, you know, one thing that I didn't know when I was addicted to painkillers, Was it actually two ibuprofen and two Tylenol have been clinically proven to be like twice as effective as opiate painkillers.
00:02:09.000But if a doctor told me as a patient to take ibuprofen and Tylenol together, I'd be like, you're out of your mind.
00:03:10.000The other thing that a lot of people talk about that I think just definitely needs to be talked about is medical marijuana.
00:03:16.000Because I'm an addict and I've been through rehab and everything, I don't personally use it, but I think for people that don't have a problem with consuming everything, I think it can be great.
00:03:24.000So you have a problem in the sense that even marijuana, something that's not physically addictive, once you start smoking it, you'll want other things.
00:03:32.000I've only been sober about 22 months, so I just feel like I'm not ready to really take that dive because I might smoke some weed and end up taking some pills and drinking and jumping in the pool naked and going to jail.
00:03:47.000If you just get naked for jumping in the pool naked, I mean, if you get arrested for that...
00:03:51.000Yeah, but that wouldn't be the end of it.
00:04:06.000Any behavior that you practice over and over again is going to become addicting.
00:04:10.000You're going to like the side effects to it.
00:04:11.000You're going to like some of the feel to it.
00:04:13.000So everybody I think a lot of times kind of kidding themselves when they're saying oh pot doesn't do anything or you know It's like it's like well it does something it doesn't make you function the best probably you know well it certainly can be psychologically addictive right certainly I mean it helps your functioning in some ways and that's one of the things that people have gotten mad at me for makes you a fucking badass at video games that's for sure it helps you at pool For sure.
00:05:22.000But the sheer numbers of Oxycontins and pain pills that are being prescribed in this country, I was watching this television show where they were talking about Massachusetts and the problem...
00:05:35.000And they were talking about all these people that got hooked on pain pills because they got injured from some job-related or something or another.
00:05:46.000Your Oxy prescription runs out, or they change the regulations, and then everybody turns to heroin.
00:05:51.000And that's a big problem in this country, where they've changed the regulations.
00:05:55.000And there was another thing that you talked about on your documentary, where they changed the way Oxycontins work, where you can't crush them up and smoke them anymore, and they lost 80% of their revenue from that.
00:06:47.000I'm going to go deadlift at this pro-am thing.
00:06:50.000And he said, your movie made it possible for me to get over what happened to my son to realize like it wasn't so much his fault, right, as he thought.
00:06:58.000And so I think just stuff like that, like he told me that.
00:07:01.000I was completely fine talking to the guy.
00:07:03.000I walked away, I just started bawling.
00:07:04.000Because I know that you can even affect one person, and that's the power of film and documentaries.
00:07:27.000I mean, if you've lost someone like that, to reach out and find other people who've also lost people and you can help each other.
00:07:33.000And you can also maybe help someone who is maybe thinking or would go down that path and watches your documentary and says, well, there's a real danger here.
00:07:43.000Yeah, the place that I went to, Cliffside, Malibu, I have three people right now that are in rehab there that have contacted me from watching the film.
00:07:52.000And it's really hard to get into a lot of rehabs because of insurance companies.
00:07:55.000And that's another huge problem in this country is the insurance companies, they want to pay for, they expect somebody to be smoking, drinking, doing whatever for 30 years and on wine night in 15 days.
00:09:44.000My buddy, Ed Clay, he got hooked on pills and he had a real problem with the same thing, pain pills, and was really despondent and fucked up.
00:11:01.000It definitely makes sense that it's something that will trigger something in the brain to fix it.
00:11:05.000It also, apparently, I haven't done Ibogaine, but the people that I know that have had problems with pills and gone down there and done it, and also people that have also had other problematic behavior that they wanted to correct, it allows you to look at yourself literally for the first time in a deeply introspective,
00:12:51.000A lot of people say after they see Bigger, Stronger, Faster, which was the first film that featured my family in it, everybody asks about Mad Dog because everybody in that, after watching that film, worried about him.
00:13:04.000And a lot of times they don't even know that he passed away.
00:14:05.000And I said, well, you're the only person there that he has.
00:14:07.000That's like, you know, that's kind of like family.
00:14:09.000I was like, you need to go inside the apartment, make sure he doesn't have any keys and just make sure he's alive, you know, and checking on him.
00:14:42.000I'll tell you what, going through it, I feel so fragile now.
00:14:46.000Like I'm a completely different person.
00:14:48.000After going through that, it humbles the shit out of you.
00:14:51.000It makes you just feel like, like I feel really fragile.
00:14:54.000Sometimes I don't know how to deal with people or how to talk to people because I'm just completely different than I was before I went through it.
00:15:02.000About five years, yeah, being on pills.
00:15:05.000You probably felt indestructible when you were on pills.
00:15:06.000I felt invincible when I was doing it, and now I feel so vulnerable.
00:15:10.000And I don't know why that is, but it's something that I think is definitely a warning to anybody out there that's, you know, think of getting on prescription drugs or having prescription drugs pushed on them from their doctor.
00:15:20.000Remember the Advil and the Tylenol works better than opiate painkillers, and people can look that up.
00:15:27.000And you don't walk away from it feeling like I feel.
00:15:30.000I know this guy who has a back injury, and he was always...
00:17:09.000It was weird I was always trying to figure out what was going on with this guy and then once he approached me started asking me about the cryotherapy thing and how because I do it all the time and he Started slowly revealing that he's had like pre-traumatic Back surgery or back injuries.
00:17:26.000The thing that was great for me that happened doing Bigger Stronger Faster and doing this movie is you become almost like a priest where people come to you and confess.
00:17:35.000And so everybody comes out of the woodwork.
00:19:00.000There's all these special interests, including the corn industry, trying to push high-fructose corn syrup on everything.
00:19:07.000Anything you look into, like there's a sugar lobby, there's a corn lobby, there's a lobby for everything.
00:19:11.000And it just twists the truth around and makes people vote for things that they maybe wouldn't.
00:19:18.000It's interesting, though, that statistic that when they changed the OxyContin, when they changed the formula where you couldn't crush it and smoke it, they lost 80% of their profit.
00:19:26.000At least that tells us that some people are looking out in the right direction.
00:19:33.000And they're doing so because of things like your documentary.
00:19:36.000And it's one of the most important things about doing a documentary like that.
00:19:40.000It starts this conversation, and people start talking about it, and they start comparing notes, and they start realizing, like, wow, these are people that I know, people around This is a giant issue.
00:19:50.000I have to say, like, in my movie, a lot of people wanted me to give more answers.
00:20:25.000When you showed that seminar that they had where they were all talking about, you know, you guys are going to make insane amounts of money.
00:20:32.000And they're just openly talking about how they're drunk.
00:20:42.000And so they're giving this drug to all these people with diabetes and they're dropping dead.
00:20:46.000One-third of the people that were prescribed the drug were dying from it, right?
00:20:50.000And so what it was was a drug for diabetes that actually gave you a heart attack.
00:20:55.000And most of the people that have diabetes, that's the number one Cause of death, right?
00:20:59.000So when you look at that, you go, okay, well, how did this company get away with it?
00:21:02.000Well, when they made the drug, they packed away $6 billion in an account just to basically, you know, they put $6 billion away because they knew they were going to get sued.
00:21:11.000And they ended up getting sued only for $3 billion.
00:22:17.000Taste a few of those to make sure they don't have AIDS. When we do these documentaries, we have a team of people that fact-check everything.
00:22:28.000Recently unearthed documents show that the drug company Bayer sold millions of dollars worth of injectable blood clotting medicine, factor VIII concentrate intended for hemophiliacs to Asian, Latin American, and some European countries in the mid-1980s, although they knew it was tainted with AIDS. See,
00:23:03.000Plasma from large numbers of donors...
00:23:06.000And at the time, there was no screening test for the AIDS virus, so a tiny number of donors with AIDS could inadvertently contaminate a large batch.
00:23:17.000They continued to sell the medicine overseas in an attempt to avoid being left with a large stock of a drug that was no longer marketable in the United States.
00:23:25.000Well, you know, that's what they also did with that AIDS medication...
00:23:30.000What is that stuff that was fucking killing everybody?
00:23:32.000AZT. AZT was initially a chemotherapy medication, but it was killing cancer patients quicker than the cancer was.
00:23:39.000And they pushed that through because the AIDS epidemic was so huge.
00:23:42.000They pushed that through so fast, and then they knew it wasn't working, and they kept pushing, pushing, pushing.
00:23:48.000Not just not working, it was fucking killing people.
00:24:00.000It's so terrifying when you think of a company that's valuing money at such a high level that they're willing to do something like that and ship this tainted drug to these other...
00:26:06.000Another thing that's really controversial that you touched on in your documentary that I think is a really important thing to discuss is depression.
00:26:14.000You know, depression is a big one, man.
00:26:17.000It's a big one because it's so hard to lock down whether or not this is a medical condition or is it just a state of your life right now?
00:26:27.000Is it you reacting to all the negative?
00:26:29.000It's really hard for the doctor to tell, too.
00:26:30.000It's really hard as a friend going through, like, rehab, and I feel great.
00:26:35.000And I turn and I'm like, how do you feel, buddy?
00:26:37.000You know, I'm trying to help these people, too.
00:26:38.000And we're all helping each other, right?
00:27:48.000You know, other than, like, he needs to go see a therapist.
00:27:50.000And that's, like, kind of the only way that you can treat it.
00:27:52.000Because I think, like, us as friends, we just don't understand it.
00:27:55.000Well, I think there's no one answer that works with everybody.
00:27:58.000I think some people really suffer with any sort of balance.
00:28:02.000Sometimes people get these extreme highs and extreme lows, but it's hard for them to ride it out in the middle.
00:28:07.000We've heard before from our friends that wrestle that they'll get this huge high, much like yourself, going out in front of a big audience, getting everybody all fucking fired up, be funny as hell, and then you've got to go home and your wife's like, you didn't take out the garbage.
00:28:19.000It's hard to go back to being a dad and having a normal role in the household because there's no fans cheering for you.
00:28:25.000So I think a lot of those guys, the ups and downs are so wild for them.
00:28:29.000But it's also, you know, it makes it ten times worse because they're doing a lot of drugs.
00:28:35.000You know, so the highs and lows are even amplified even more.
00:28:38.000Well, not only that, but there's also a lot of trauma going on with their body and their brain, and I think that plays a giant factor in it.
00:28:54.000You know, he and I talk about this kind of stuff all the time, and I've seen people that have their fucking legs blown off for more, and they got the biggest fucking smile on their face.
00:29:02.000We've seen some people in some pretty shitty situations that have...
00:29:05.000He has a guy at his gym, this guy Bryce.
00:29:07.000He's trying to figure out how to deadlift with one leg.
00:29:11.000He's trying to figure out how to deadlift like 135. Yeah, he's all the way up by the hip, so a prosthetic can kind of work, but not really, you know?
00:29:19.000But yeah, we've seen people in all kinds of shitty situations, and they're still fucking smiling.
00:29:24.000They're still finding other things to live for, whether it's lifting weights or fucking climbing rocks or whatever the hell it is they're doing.
00:29:32.000Just like you said, doing some productive shit.
00:29:34.000Pursuing enjoyable activities is a big one.
00:29:36.000Pursuing something that you really have a passion for, like as a career, is another big one.
00:29:41.000I think there's a lot of people that feel that soul-sucking grind of a day-to-day, nine-to-five, doing something they hate is just unbelievably taxing on their happiness.
00:29:51.000I have to say, as like being a filmmaker...
00:29:52.000Every film I've done, I've done three of them that I've directed and one of them that I've produced.
00:29:56.000Every time it's about raising the money and getting going.
00:33:06.000Lows, like you said, are important because what a bad feeling does, for me, someone who's really hard on themselves, I'll screw up one thing and it really drives me nuts.
00:33:16.000What that does is that motivates me to be more focused and more intense and pay more attention to what I'm doing.
00:33:22.000And if I don't do that, I will feel that same thing again.
00:33:25.000And there's a certain amount of those bad feelings where things go wrong that you just got to accept in your life.
00:33:43.000It's a huge investment to be in a relationship with somebody.
00:33:46.000But you've got to realize when that's over, when that breakup's over, like, hey man, this gives you an opportunity to move on and to get your life in order better and to look at yourself.
00:33:58.000Be by yourself for a while and understand how much you value a healthy relationship.
00:34:36.000You know, you don't want to be with that person anyway.
00:34:37.000If that's how they feel about you, you got to find the person that really likes you.
00:34:41.000Or you got to figure out how to become someone who people like.
00:34:45.000And that's part of the struggle of developing as a human being, too.
00:34:48.000And that's a rut that some people never get out of.
00:34:50.000Some people, they get into this rut, like in high school, like in dating, in high school and college, and they fucking never get out of that.
00:34:56.000They're over We're always in combative, shitty relationships forever, and they never pause and reset.
00:35:04.000It takes a lot of strength to walk away from anything that you have invested time in, right?
00:35:08.000Yeah, I mean, even shitty relationships, at least they have familiarity to them.
00:35:12.000I think, you know, Ronda Rousey, she said, if I'm not this, then what am I? Like, to me, that was a huge statement, you know, that people are always being defined by other people.
00:36:57.000Glory also comes with the potential, any high comes with the potential of a corresponding low.
00:37:03.000I mean, there's just no way around it.
00:37:05.000It's exactly the thing that killed our brother.
00:37:10.000Constantly wanted to be in the WWE constantly wanted to be something and when people told him like hey You're getting too old for this or you're not in shape enough for this Like he couldn't really handle that now that was a big part of his depression was he was trying to be defined by this wrestling league that only gives very few people a shot and those people have either really earned it or they knew somebody or whatever and got in and he was always trying to get to that and and my dad says Even if he did get to it,
00:37:39.000I think he still would have went the same way because he would have went the other way.
00:37:43.000He would have went like crazy because he had money and he had fame and whatever.
00:37:46.000Well, a lot of times it's the way you look at life, like the parameters that you set for your life.
00:37:51.000If those parameters are fucked up, it's going to make your life fucked up no matter what you get involved in.
00:37:56.000And that's something that you find with some people.
00:37:58.000Some people that are happy and they become successful, they can be happy and successful in pretty much everything they do.
00:38:07.000And the people that have bad behavior patterns or self-destructive behavior patterns, those things repeat themselves over and over again, even when they get on a roll.
00:38:15.000Like, I have friends that I know, they get on a roll, everything's going good, but I know they're gonna fuck up.
00:39:02.000I feel like anybody who won't fuck you because your head's shaved, you don't want to fuck them anyway because you're barely getting them to fuck you.
00:39:12.000They only fuck you because you have hair.
00:39:14.000But my friend was taking Propecia and he was getting seriously depressed.
00:39:20.000And he didn't connect the two of them together.
00:39:22.000And I got him to a psychiatrist and helped him out.
00:39:26.000And he actually was He benefited from psych drugs because those psych drugs got him happy and weaned him off and got him on point and got his life in order.
00:39:35.000And then once his life got in order, he weaned himself off those things.
00:39:38.000It's exactly the right way to use them.
00:40:30.000I quit Propecia long before I shaved my head.
00:40:32.000But it was that my friend going through that was really scary because he was, you know, he was really, really depressed.
00:40:40.000And it was like, I was like, shit, I got to figure out a way to help this guy because this is not who he normally is.
00:40:46.000Normally he would be like happy and joking.
00:40:49.000Like comics are all kind of fucked up in a way.
00:40:52.000In that they're performers, they see things fucked up, and usually when you're getting on stage, the reason why you do it in the first place is you're compensating for something that's missing.
00:41:03.000Like a lack of attention you got when you were young, or a lack of self-esteem, and you're trying to make up for it by your performances on stage.
00:41:10.000And you're trying to get the audience to like you.
00:41:14.000The reward, if you can come up with jokes and routines that are good enough to get the people to laugh, you get them to feel good, and then that becomes your new self-esteem.
00:41:25.000Do you think, for yourself, you don't really fit the mold?
00:41:30.000I definitely don't fit all the molds, but I fit some of the molds.
00:41:34.000The same mold that got me into martial arts was the same mold that got me into comedy.
00:41:38.000The mold that got me into martial arts was...
00:41:41.000Feeling like I was a loser, feeling like nobody gave a shit about me, and that everybody doubted me, and that I just didn't have anybody to count on.
00:41:49.000And I was always worried about getting my ass kicked.
00:42:07.000It was like I was looking for something that I was good at to boost up my self-esteem.
00:42:11.000I was the short kid, and lifting for me, I bench pressed 315 in 11th grade, and then 405 by the time I was a senior, and I was blowing people away.
00:42:21.000And the same with Mark, he benched 315 pounds in 9th grade, and he was dyslexic and learning disabled and all these things, so that gave us confidence.
00:42:28.000Well, sometimes the deficits that you achieve or that you experience in life, They can help you if you can get through them.
00:42:36.000If you can get over that, if you can get over those humps, they can give you motivation and fuel.
00:42:41.000That's why kids that are born rich and privileged and live in a big ass house and they get everything they want, they very rarely have the drive to accomplish great things.
00:42:50.000Because a lot of times that drive comes from that feeling of poverty or that feeling of loss or that feeling of just being lonely and depressed and like you get motivated to go out there and make your mark.
00:43:02.000Like the film he did, Trophy Kids, you know, like there's all these kids, you know, with these parents paying thousands of dollars for these kids to go to these special camps and stuff like that.
00:43:11.000And the best athletes in the world have their parents just take a hike on them usually or die, you know, one or the other, or sometimes just divorce or something.
00:43:18.000Mark was coaching football one time, I'll never forget this, and a parent came to him and said, how do I make my kid great at football?
00:43:23.000And he said, drop him off in the ghetto.
00:43:25.000That's how you're going to make him good.
00:43:33.000And then also, too, when someone's coming to you at 16 or 17 years old, and they're talking about, hey, it'd be great to see him get a Division I scholarship, you would already know.
00:46:02.000Yeah, well, you don't have to bullshit anybody.
00:46:04.000I think there was a couple interviews in Bigger, Stronger, Faster where I went into, like, the senator and I'm wearing a suit.
00:46:09.000You know, I just figured, like, that's probably appropriate.
00:46:11.000But, like, other times I was interviewing a lawyer and I'd dress up a little bit more.
00:46:15.000And I look back at him like, why did I do that?
00:46:17.000Well, it's not a bad idea when you're interviewing a senator or something like that or even a lawyer.
00:46:23.000They'll take you a little more seriously.
00:46:26.000I've had conversations with people on the podcast, especially early on in the career, where they're kind of a little dismissive of me because maybe I had a t-shirt on that was stupid.
00:46:39.000They would be dismissive initially, and I was like, hmm, probably should have set this up better.
00:46:43.000Like, if I had an office that looked real nice, and the desk was like, this desk is a mess right now, but if I was in front of something that looked more professional, maybe they would...
00:46:53.000Approach this with a little more professional attitude as well.
00:46:56.000So you showing up with a suit, not necessarily a bad idea.
00:46:59.000No, no, I don't think it's a bad idea.
00:47:00.000I'm just saying that like some of the other interviews where I wasn't, you know, I wasn't being me and I knew it.
00:47:06.000I felt weird and I should have just been me, you know?
00:47:08.000Well, you know, I guess the only bad way to do it when you're doing something like what you're doing is to do something where you don't like what you're doing.
00:47:43.000They would just let people ramble and talk and go, and then they would be like, okay, boom, and they would stop, and they would say, look at this bullshit, you know?
00:48:05.000We're trying to do it in the health and fitness industry.
00:48:07.000We just went to the Arnold Sports Festival and there's thousands of booths of like 80% of it is stuff that doesn't work probably, you know?
00:48:15.000Like supplements and things like that?
00:48:17.000Yeah, just like different things that just don't work.
00:48:19.000Well, what's amazing is how many of those supplements are steroids.
00:48:54.000Yeah, he's a bad motherfucker when it comes to chasing those people down.
00:48:58.000His website, the USADA website, where they show all the different stuff that you'll piss hot from, that you can just buy at a regular vitamin store, it's fucking crazy!
00:49:08.000You get to the A, you know, it's listed alphabetically, just go through A, and there's fucking thousands of fucking things!
00:49:14.000You know, when he was on your show, Lance Armstrong tweeted me a private message, he said, are you listening to this shit?
00:49:22.000And I said, well, what is he talking about?
00:49:24.000I said, you should just go on there, and then you had him on, it was great, you know?
00:51:06.000A single successful powerlifter that's not doing steroids.
00:51:10.000Yeah, so the wild thing is, the crazy part, we were talking about this also, is that if you just consistently do the right thing all the time, like if you're hydrated all the time, you get the right amount of sleep, you train hard, you have a lot of motivation and determination, and you want to be better...
00:51:27.000You can actually surpass a lot of the guys that are on shit, and we see it time and time again.
00:51:31.000Whether those guys are actually 100% natural, it's hard to fucking say.
00:52:02.000Mark sponsors the world's strongest man, Brian Shaw, and he bet Brian Shaw he couldn't pick up this 550-pound stone and throw it over, what, a 54-inch platform.
00:55:46.000In a perfect world, I think a lot of the athletes would say, hey, in a perfect world, there'd be nothing out there that we could take to get better.
00:55:51.000But that's just not the world we really live in, right?
00:55:53.000So I think that's kind of the case with a lot of the sports powerlifting and bodybuilding.
00:55:57.000There are some guys that are just large human beings that can handle a big amount of weights.
00:56:02.000I mean, you've probably seen it in MMA, where people just have a different structure.
00:56:49.000Well, there's definitely some physical freaks.
00:56:51.000There's definitely some physical freaks.
00:56:52.000But I've always wondered, when you see those strongman guys, I can't imagine that any of them could not be on steroids.
00:56:59.000I doubt that any of them are probably clean.
00:57:01.000Just due to the sheer amount of weight that they have to weigh and the sheer amount of weight that they have to lift, it just wouldn't really make sense to do it without it.
00:57:16.000You know, hormone replacement therapy, and I think it's like, you know, talking about prescription thugs and whatever, people are like, well, you take hormone replacement therapy, but I think about hormones as like, it kind of balances me out in a lot of other areas, so I don't have to take pills, you know?
00:58:40.000Some people take it and say, oh my god, I took growth hormone, I got completely shredded.
00:58:44.000And then it's like, maybe it's just not the case.
00:58:47.000Well, you know, it also could be that now they're on growth hormone, they really stepped up their training because they're all excited they're on growth hormone.
00:59:27.000But what people take it for is, a lot of people take it for their heart health, and they realize, well, I've got to take 12 pills a day for it to actually be effective for my heart health.
00:59:35.000Well, you could take it in tablespoons, too.
01:00:07.000But if you want to get the results these guys are talking about in these studies and taking 12 pills a day, you don't really have to take pills.
01:00:13.000You can just, I take it, I get it, what's the company's name?
01:02:51.000I got a friend who was telling me that all the chemical components of all really healthy food already exist in vitamins, so just eat whatever the fuck you want and take vitamins.
01:03:00.000I was like, man, I don't think it works like that.
01:03:12.000We were like outside in the back and you said, you were talking to Brian Callen and all these other guys and you were saying, every time we go on the road, I got to go to a Whole Foods and I thought that was so cool that like you actually take the time to go out and get the, even when you're on the road, get the right food and like that was a That was actually inspirational for me to hear because I was somebody that struggled with my weight all the time.
01:03:32.000Sometimes I think that stuff is weird or people might think I'm weird if I'm trying to eat a special diet.
01:03:38.000It's just good to know that other people are out doing it.
01:03:41.000I've traveled on the road for so many years.
01:03:44.000Unless I stay in a place that has a really good restaurant and I know they have really healthy salads and real healthy food options.
01:03:50.000Even if that's the case, what am I going to drink?
01:06:47.000So he's like, they're like normal-sized meals, which you would think a guy that's that big, he'd be eating like, you know, 56-ounce steaks.
01:06:56.000But yeah, if you really look at it, there's almost nine up there, I think.
01:06:58.000There's pre-workout, post-workout, which are kind of more like shakes, but there's like a pudding in there.
01:07:12.000His entire day is driven towards continuing to kick everybody's ass.
01:07:17.000Yeah, but even in that, like, you're looking at insane amounts of calories, even with the smaller meals.
01:07:24.000What's interesting about him, too, he does four days of training a week and three days of full recovery.
01:07:29.000So three days he's doing contrast baths, and he's doing, like, all the shit that you always talk about, he's doing float tanks, he's doing everything.
01:07:34.000He goes to a PT place and just does physical therapy drills.
01:10:08.000It's women who have had cesarean sections.
01:10:10.000So a young girl who has a cesarean section, they take her stem cells out of the placenta and they inject them directly into your injuries and people have had fucking spectacular results.
01:10:35.000There was a guy that Arnold Schwarzenegger, I think, gave an award to last year, maybe the year before.
01:10:40.000He had ocular cancer, so he couldn't see in one of his eyes.
01:10:44.000And they did stem cells, some stem cell thing on him.
01:10:47.000And after like 10 weeks, he had like full vision.
01:10:51.000I don't know how, I don't know what it was, but I remember Arnold Schwarzenegger giving him an award and talking about that being, you know...
01:12:05.000I'll help you out at the end of the podcast.
01:12:07.000His name is Dr. Roddy McGee, if anybody else is listening, and he's in Las Vegas, and he's a great guy, and he'll take care of you and tell you what you can and cannot expect out of this.
01:12:15.000But they're going to start doing this all over the world, bro.
01:12:17.000I believe right now in Vegas is the only place where you can get this stuff that they're doing through placenta.
01:12:23.000Actually, they got some to a doctor in New York that was working on a UFC fighter.
01:12:28.000Chris Weidman actually had a deal on his knees, too.
01:12:30.000My doctor was telling me there's some way that he was working on that they can inject 200 million stem cells in you at one time, and they basically do it once, and it works in your whole body.
01:12:40.000I don't know anything about it, but...
01:13:01.000He's a spectacular example of a human being.
01:13:04.000So when you're filming this documentary and you're doing this and you're exposing yourself, was that one of the harder parts of the documentary?
01:13:12.000Because you had to show your car getting all fucking banged up.
01:13:43.000It might be stupid to say it, but we had to check that out seriously when he was talking about My wife's like, no way you're going to be in this fucking movie.
01:14:07.000I think you said, you know, some of the stuff I recall him saying that he was most embarrassed about was just like, that's the way he looked.
01:14:14.000I was more embarrassed about being fat and being bloodshot eyes and like Just looking jacked up, he was kind of like more depressed about how that came off.
01:14:22.000Like, he doesn't like watching a movie, probably.
01:14:24.000I mean, that's kind of some of the stuff he's told me, right?
01:14:26.000I've watched it like maybe four or five times in its completed form.
01:15:45.000And so the thing is, how can we look at that and say, well, will this work in humans?
01:15:51.000I think any research we're doing on any animals that are mammals kind of have similarities so we can start figuring things out through these dogs.
01:16:00.000Because you're not going to experiment on people, really.
01:16:03.000And with a dog, it's like, hey, I'm just trying to save its life, you know?
01:19:26.000Well, no, you don't add fat to it, but it's not the same as, say, if you get...
01:19:31.000You know, if you get like a beef steak, like a ribeye or something like that, you're getting a lot of fat.
01:19:37.000Especially if it's a corn-fed beef steak, there's a lot of fat.
01:19:40.000And so I take different kinds of fats, but avocado is one of the primary ones that I like.
01:19:46.000Ketogenic diets are amazing for losing weight, for weight class type stuff, like power lifting, weight lifting, MMA. It works fucking awesome.
01:19:56.000You can drop a couple pounds pretty quickly.
01:19:58.000You've got to let your body really get accustomed to it, though, because in the beginning, people shy off of it because they feel like losing that weight makes them feel weak, and changing from a carbohydrate diet It takes time to convert.
01:21:09.000However, you're not going to have as much water through your muscles.
01:21:12.000And if you're a strength athlete or somebody that relies on strength, it can be compromised a little bit, especially when you start to lose anything like over like 10 pounds.
01:21:20.000Your strength is going to be compromised.
01:21:22.000You lose a lot of weight, your strength is going to be compromised.
01:21:24.000Yeah, so you have to make sure that you're hydrated.
01:22:42.000I'm not going to be able to eat carbs and Well, people start panicking, and then they start coming up, well, I heard that it makes your dick fall off.
01:23:10.000But my thought behind it was, I just want to try it, see what it's like.
01:23:15.000Try it the exact way it's meant to be.
01:23:17.000And what Sisson is the idea behind is not paleo because that word paleolithic you know it's what's kind of messed up because the paleolithic era people ate breads they ate grains they did so this is he calls it primal and the idea is just eat stuff that your body is just really kind of designed to eat your body is designed to eat fats your body is designed to eat vegetables and fats are important because when people burn fat if you don't have those fats like if you're not consuming Your
01:23:47.000body starts burning the fat in your body.
01:23:48.000Your hormone profile is hugely, you know, by fats, you know.
01:23:52.000Whereas there's a difference between if your body's designed to burn carbohydrates, if it doesn't have any carbohydrates, you crash.
01:24:14.000I don't get that weak, crashed feeling.
01:24:16.000I can get up in the morning after not having eaten since like 8 o'clock at night, I can get up at 9 o'clock in the morning and I'll lift weights.
01:24:35.000So back in 1995, I moved to California to go to USC. Started training at Gold's Gym Venice and started training with Mike O'Hearn and this other guy, Ron Fedko, who's getting his PhD.
01:24:46.000So I go into the gym and these guys are a lot stronger than me.
01:24:49.000They're squatting 700-800 pounds and I'm around the 600 pound mark.
01:24:53.000They basically said, hey, you're too fat.
01:25:16.000When I came back from New York to go back to school and lift with these guys again after the summer, I think I weighed 196. And so I came back like, wow, you did it.
01:26:07.000You just run into roadblocks here and there, and then you get triggers for food.
01:26:11.000You know, somebody has a fucking birthday and then there you are eating birthday cake and it just kind of can snowball and you might end up into something else.
01:26:17.000Or, you know, you might, depending on what sport you're into, maybe you have different goals at different periods of time.
01:26:23.000So sometimes you want to be small and sometimes you want to be bigger.
01:26:27.000So, but when you say roadblocks, you don't mean like, you mean more psychological.
01:27:37.000He used to do strongman competitions, and he said when he did strongman competitions, the turnover rate from going from one event to the next, he had to eat carbohydrates.
01:27:46.000But he said that once he retired from strongman, where strength wasn't his main focus anymore, he's like, I get rid of all that shit, and I just basically just eat meat and vegetables.
01:27:56.000Any bodybuilding diet, they have a lot of carbohydrates.
01:28:06.000I don't think you can win like Mr. Olympia without carbohydrates because I think there's a whole thing to the hormones of the insulin and everything.
01:28:15.000It's a whole thing that's way too complicated for me to understand.
01:28:27.000It's an interesting situation where you're trying to figure out what's the best stuff to put into your body to get the best performance and the best feeling out of it.
01:28:35.000And then you factor in convenience, social things, customary things.
01:28:40.000You think about someone who's actually doing MMA, like a competitor, it'd probably be a mistake to completely get rid of the carbohydrates.
01:28:49.000I guess the main question would be, If it's to lose weight to get to the next weight class, then it would be something you'd do for a period of time.
01:28:56.000But if other athletes are successful with the carbohydrates in there, why wouldn't you just utilize them?
01:29:44.000But what they don't realize, too, is if I have friends that are vegan and they never talk about it, they never push it on me, and I'm actually interested in finding out why they want...
01:30:40.000It's just, you gotta understand that that thing that you guys do where you go after people and you fucking insult them, it just makes people more reluctant to associate with you, to want to be a vegan.
01:32:05.000The whole thing is preposterous, but it was amazing the next day the amount of fucking tweets from vegans that were so excited that a vegan won.
01:32:24.000It's the cult of vegetables, and they think they're going to save their life.
01:32:27.000A lot of people that have gone vegan or vegetarian, like Rob Wolf, who wrote that paleo book, and he does not hardcore paleo, but he got very sick from it.
01:39:56.000Did you get any conclusions out of doing this documentary?
01:39:59.000I mean, is there anything that you got out of it where you think it's important for people to know?
01:40:04.000Yeah, I mean, I've learned a lot myself.
01:40:06.000I think the number one thing that I've learned is very simple.
01:40:10.000I'm not educated enough or have enough experience to really save anybody.
01:40:14.000I think anybody out there that has a friend or a family member struggling with drugs or alcohol, the number one thing that you can constantly do is drive them towards getting help, whatever that help is, whether it's going to AA meetings, whether it's going to Maybe just make them aware that they need help.
01:40:31.000Driving them towards getting help because that's like the most important thing that you can do.
01:40:36.000A lot of people will talk shit about AA and say it doesn't work, but I've seen it work.
01:40:40.000I've seen every Saturday morning in Down in Palisades, there's a meeting, there's like 200 guys there.
01:40:47.000And a lot of these people have been sober for 30 years, you know, so they're still going to meetings and they're still helping people and it's a great community.
01:40:54.000That's kind of a part of it too, right?
01:40:56.000Being in a community of sober people, you don't want to disappoint the other people in the community.
01:41:00.000The people I've met in AA are some of my best friends.
01:41:03.000They're like the best, you know, like they're all, everybody's trying to do good.
01:41:06.000You know, like they've maybe messed up in the past and we feel bad about it.
01:41:09.000Now everything we do is geared towards like trying to help people and do good.
01:41:13.000Jamie, did you pull up anything on Ibogaine and how Ibogaine works?
01:41:17.000I found a couple stories, but they weren't really...
01:41:19.000I didn't find actual chemical processes or anything.
01:42:03.000And then anyone out there listening that has dealt with addicts before, you get burned by them so many times that it just leaves you with a sour taste in your mouth and you don't even really want to help to a certain point.
01:42:29.000You don't need to know shit about addiction.
01:42:31.000All you need to know is that they need to get help and that a lot of the stuff that's happening, and you'll kind of hear them say it over and over again, they blame stuff on other people all the time.
01:42:42.000They literally don't have control anymore.
01:42:44.000I don't want to make excuses for people, but that's the predicament that they get, and that's a predicament my oldest brother was in, and we weren't able to pull him out of it, and that's a predicament that he was in, and we're able to Are able to save his life.
01:42:56.000It was one of the things you brought up in the documentary is bipolar and the diagnosis for bipolar and how many more people were diagnosed.
01:43:04.000It went up 5,000% in 10 years or something like that.
01:44:08.000Mark says something really important in the documentary.
01:44:10.000He said, I talked to our older brother, and the one thing that he said to me is the only time I felt normal was when I was in jail, because I was completely sober.
01:44:17.000He had gotten thrown in jail for, like, being somebody up.
01:44:18.000Yeah, and I was like, well, shit, maybe you're not bipolar.
01:45:14.000So the bipolar diagnosis and the fact that after he was in jail for three months, he felt totally normal.
01:45:22.000Do you think that all the highs and lows are just coming from the drugs in his system and out of his system and the fluctuating levels and just didn't know how to feel?
01:45:32.000I mean, I can't really speak for him, but I know for myself, when I was trying to get off of the drugs, I went on a horrible drug called Suboxone, which is a miracle drug for the time you need it.
01:45:42.000But the problem is I was on it for eight months instead of for, you know, one week.
01:46:58.000When I say make, I think they literally kind of make you do some crazy stuff because I don't think you're really in that much control anymore.
01:47:04.000Well, your brain is a bunch of synapses and a bunch of neurochemicals reacting and there's a bunch of shit going on.
01:47:11.000When you add some new shit in there and you're throwing some massive opiates in there and all of a sudden...
01:47:18.000All the signals are all fucking crossed, and everything's firing, goofy.
01:47:25.000And it goes to that same fact of like, I think therapy is really important for people, and I think therapy is something that you get to do.
01:47:37.000And the thing is that a lot of people will go to therapy, and then they want to get a drug with it.
01:47:43.000Like I said, we have this drug-seeking behavior where we're like, well, a pill will fix me, but talking to this guy is not going to fix me when actually talking to the guy is what can fix you, what can be the cure.
01:47:54.000It's like we have these things called escape fires.
01:47:56.000I don't know if you know what that is, but like in firefighting, You know, there was this giant fire and there was 15 firefighters on a hill.
01:48:05.000And a guy, one of the guys said, hey, I'm going to light a fire to make the fire jump over this thing.
01:48:10.000And people were like, and we'll be safe.
01:48:11.000And everybody was like, no, that's not going to work.
01:48:59.000We have to open our eyes and open our minds and start thinking of different ways to heal pain, to cure pain.
01:49:06.000I mean, you're never going to cure it.
01:49:07.000You're going to hold it down for a while.
01:49:11.000The only way to like fix something really is like surgery or like you said stem cells now and everything's so Progressive that I like I have a shoulder that I have a rotator cuff Surgery that I need to have and I've just held off on getting the surgery because I feel like get you know cutting my shoulder open and doing whatever is gonna do more damage and actually You know,
01:49:30.000fix it, which is maybe a stupid thing to think, but I'm actually trying to figure out, like, hey, are stem cells good?
01:49:35.000Is there another answer to this, you know?
01:49:37.000I haven't found it yet, but, you know, maybe I will, and if I don't, then I'll go get the surgery, but I'm trying to explore other options.
01:49:43.000Yeah, it's not a bad idea to explore other options, but it really depends entirely upon how badly your shoulder's damaged, how badly the structure of the joint is damaged.
01:49:52.000And the shoulder's a weird one because it moves so weird.
01:49:54.000It's got so many different ways it can articulate.
01:50:01.000You know, one of the things that we talked about before about these advertising, the ability to advertise for drugs, I don't know if they're ever going to take that down, but I think that that is one of the more disturbing aspects of the pharmaceutical industry because we all know that advertising gets people to buy shit.
01:50:53.000And do you know that people that ask their doctor when they go in, the stats say, when you go in and ask your doctor for a pill, 75% of the people will get that pill.
01:51:01.000So that's crazy because here's what happens with doctors.
01:51:05.000The doctors are over-prescribing for sure, but their hands are tied because if I go into a doctor and I tell them I'm in pain, their job, according to the medical industry, their job is to get me out of pain.
01:52:56.000Well, that's what caused the whole OxyContin industry in Florida, was that they didn't have a database, where you could go to a doctor, get a prescription, then go down the road, get another prescription from another doctor.
01:53:07.000When the Vanguard released that piece of the OxyContin Express, which really kind of highlighted that, and it showed a bunch of people in that.
01:53:15.000People that eventually wound up dying of overdoses, but when they followed them around and found out how easy it is to go to these pain management centers, that's what changed the industry.
01:53:23.000And that's what also changed the pills to be able to crush them up and smoke them when you can't do that anymore.
01:53:58.000There's, you know, a couple hundred people that live in that town, and there's a couple people that are trafficking all these drugs in and making this huge problem.
01:54:06.000Yeah, those depression commercials are particularly problematic, man, where everybody's smiling, there's butterflies and flowers, and you see the sun coming up on the person's face, and all of a sudden they're smiling again, and you want that.
01:54:19.000It's really dangerous because it's so influential.
01:54:22.000You watch a commercial, and those commercials, it's visual, there's music playing, there's a pretty girl, and it's so influential.
01:54:30.000They have those little sad, like, not like stick figures, but little fat, chubby faces.
01:55:16.000Where are these people getting, you know, who are the ad wizards behind this one?
01:55:19.000And then the other thing was the saying that medication for depression didn't do any better, didn't get people any less depressed than any other method of treating it.
01:55:32.000Yeah, and like you said, you had a friend that, you know, he did some antidepressants and it helped him.
01:55:37.000If he just got off fucking Propecia, it might have cut it off right there.
01:55:40.000Yeah, and also, though, I don't know enough about it to say people, like, shouldn't take this or shouldn't take that.
01:55:45.000What I'd say is, like, look into it more.
01:55:47.000You know, you have to become your own doctor, you know?
01:55:49.000And if I say, like, look, I know how effective antidepressants are, how effective they're not, but if I say it, people just slam me for it.
01:55:57.000They're like, oh, this guy, you know, he's not a doctor, whatever.
01:55:59.000So what I'm saying to you is go out and do your research on it, you know, and find out how effective or non-effective your drug is.
01:56:05.000It just seems crazy that they're allowed to advertise, and that seems like something we have to stop.
01:56:10.000But the amount of money that they have, I mean, that woman on that documentary...
01:56:52.000No, they're not saying that, but documentaries like yours are.
01:56:55.000And I think we need more stuff like that.
01:56:57.000We need more things like what you did where people get a hold of it and they watch it and they listen to the message and they go, you know what?
01:57:05.000This is something that needs to be talked about.
01:57:08.000This is something that you're not hearing our leaders talk about.
01:57:13.000You're not hearing our politicians talk about who are running for office.
01:57:15.000They're not talking about this massive epidemic that's killing more people than car accidents.
01:57:19.000That was another interesting statistic from your movie.
01:57:22.000That pill overdoses kill more people every year than car accidents.
01:57:26.000I'm lucky I came out the other side and my brother didn't.
01:57:29.000Our brother Mad Dog, he didn't make it out the other side.
01:57:44.000I have people email me on Facebook and I encourage people, tweet me, email me, ask me questions.
01:57:50.000I'm not too busy to help somebody in need.
01:57:52.000There's so many people out here listening to you that are listening to this podcast that are just like us, that know people that have died.
01:58:32.000There's certain insurance you can get.
01:58:34.000There's a lot of things that a lot of people don't know, and they should know.
01:58:36.000So if somebody out there is struggling, feel free to hit me up and I'll help as many people as I can.
01:58:42.000What else do you think that people need to know about the prescription drug industry that you think is not being talked about on a daily basis?
01:58:57.000These studies that they do, they only have to do two studies.
01:59:01.000They only have to show the FDA two studies that are effective.
01:59:04.000And when I say effective, they just mean they have to be slightly more effective than a sugar pill, which means like it could be just, you know, some crappy drug and, you know, and that could be the placebo effects.
01:59:14.000And we say, I feel better because I'm taking this, right?
01:59:16.000So that doesn't seem like as much of a hurdle as a drug companies make it out to be.
01:59:21.000Yes, it costs, you know, a lot of money to get a drug to market.
01:59:24.000Like they say, almost like a billion dollars sometimes just to get a drug to the market.
01:59:29.000But they're gonna make so much more money off that and profit off that and then part of that money that in the research and development Well, just put it this way Last year, I think it was last year and John Oliver said this John Oliver did a great piece on this on his show And he says that I think last year that nine out of the top ten Drug companies spent more money on advertising than they did on research and development That's a big fuck you to all of us.
01:59:55.000Yeah, right in all of our faces They save a lot of money for lawsuits, too.
02:00:00.000That's like the price of business is them to save a lot of money, put a lot of money away, but then they do the calculations, they run the numbers, and they're like, okay, well, if this many people try to sue us for death or whatever the fuck is their problem, we're still going to make out with $4 billion or whatever it is.
02:00:16.000There's all kinds of crazy stuff like that.
02:00:18.000It's just factored into the profit margin.
02:00:34.000Yeah, the studies, the way you showed how they do their studies, too, that was really an eye-opening thing.
02:00:40.000They have hundreds of studies and they don't have to show you the results.
02:00:43.000The problem is, listen, if there's nothing wrong with this, if I'm not being lied to, then why the fuck did the FDA not do an interview with me?
02:01:22.000That's disturbing because you would feel like someone who's a public servant like that.
02:01:26.000They should have some sort of a PR representative that has an obligation to state their policy.
02:01:32.000Yeah, the PR representative told me, basically, I'm not NBC, I'm not CBS, I'm not HBO. I always do all my movies independently and then bring them to somebody afterwards.
02:01:44.000That's kind of a tough thing, too, is not calling up and have the credentials.
02:01:47.000Yeah, but you have two established documentaries that have done very well.
02:01:51.000Yeah, I also think that people might have seen those documentaries and said, hey, we're not coming in our doors, you know?
02:03:36.000If you lower cholesterol, what's that going to do for you?
02:03:39.000Well, there's good cholesterol and bad cholesterol.
02:03:42.000We have this idea in our head that we have to get rid of cholesterol.
02:03:45.000Yeah, but I think lowering your cholesterol, they say, really doesn't have much of an effect on whether or not you're going to have a heart attack.
02:03:51.000It's not like one of the markers anymore.
02:03:55.000Yeah, it's not as big of a factor as they once thought.
02:03:58.000Do you really need to lower your cholesterol?
02:04:00.000Do you really need to fix your diet and do it through other ways?
02:04:03.000Well, it's responsible for a lot of brain function.
02:04:05.000It's responsible for a lot of testosterone.
02:04:11.000I think people's cholesterol and triglycerides and stuff go through the roof just because of poor eating habits, not necessarily because they eat saturated fats.
02:04:19.000Yeah, well, saturated fats, that's another thing that people keep saying.
02:04:26.000Saturated fats, it depends entirely on what you're eating, what your body requirements are.
02:04:31.000If you eat too much of anything, you're going to get fat, and that's not healthy.
02:04:35.000If you're getting your saturated fats from pizza, it's probably not the best option, especially if you're eating four or five times a day or something.
02:04:56.000We were eating sugary cereal for breakfast and, you know, we just didn't know.
02:05:00.000The studies that our parents had in the 1960s and the 1970s, what they had to go on, the information that they were given, it's just so poor in comparison to what we know now.
02:08:23.000My point is that if you live that sedentary lifestyle and you're sitting in an office all day and if you're not making your body work, it's going to fucking atrophy and it's going to break down.
02:08:31.000Bend down, pick some stuff up, do some squats.
02:08:33.000When I go to the airport, you realize how unhealthy this country is because people are coming from everywhere.
02:11:10.000We have to teach you who the presidents were, and we've got to teach you all these other things that you're never going to use, and why not nutrition?
02:11:35.000I've taught my kids from when they were really young that You know, a certain amount of food and excess, you know, junk food is going to make you fat.
02:12:41.000Here's what people are saying, and it's bullshit.
02:12:43.000They're like, oh, well, it just makes it easier for a doctor to prescribe OxyContin to a cancer patient.
02:12:49.000You're telling me that the FDA is going to come down on a doctor for prescribing OxyContin to a kid that has, you know, he's going to die from cancer?
02:14:51.000So I went on Suboxone, and that was, like, another year on Suboxone.
02:14:55.000And then when I was on Suboxone, that doctor put me on, like, eight other drugs, like Kalanapin and all these other powerful, crazy drugs where I banged up my car.
02:17:22.000But one of the things that she said when she was talking about, are you worried that they're going to kill you?
02:17:26.000She goes, no, I'm worried that they're going to kill you and you and you and you and I'm going to be screaming from the rooftops and no one's going to care.
02:17:32.000I know it sounds crazy, but the whole time people were saying, aren't you afraid they're going to kill you?
02:17:37.000And I said, if they kill me because I made a movie about prescription drugs, that just proves the point.
02:18:00.000Like, your documentary, as profound as it is, is only gonna put a dent in maybe 1% of the people that would be thinking about taking those drugs.
02:18:30.000It's scary shit to see people that you know get hooked on these things.
02:18:35.000You know and it's scary shit to like they think like this guy that I was talking about where I'm like what is going on with this guy and then one day he tells me about his back I'm like, oh How many people are walking around like that?
02:18:46.000How many people are driving their cars like that?
02:18:48.000I mean you'll see it up out of their head I you know when I'm like I said when people when you do a movie like this It becomes a confessional and you would be shocked at the people who were doing the same exact thing as I was doing I know a lady who thinks
02:19:18.000she looks down on marijuana in a big way, and she just talks trash about it, but she takes a Xanax every night.
02:19:23.000She literally can't go to sleep without Xanax.
02:19:25.000When I started the movie, I was the exact same way.
02:19:28.000We always thought in our high school, marijuana was for all the dirt bags.
02:19:50.000And I think marijuana, there's a slippery slope with marijuana because now that it's become more accepted, medical marijuana, in some states it's legal, now they're just ramping it up and make it stronger and stronger and stronger.
02:20:02.000Anything that alters your consciousness can be problematic.
02:20:05.000It can be beneficial or it can be problematic.
02:20:07.000The only good thing about marijuana, it doesn't have a physical addictive property to it where your body desires it in a way where you're going to start sucking dicks and robbing people for it.
02:20:16.000But it certainly can become a problem.
02:21:47.000I don't want them to still be on stuff or still be taking stuff.
02:21:51.000I wanted to add that the reason why he relapsed was because he tried to stop everything cold turkey on his own, and he stopped for seven days, right?
02:22:01.000So those people out there that think they can do it by themselves, you probably can't.
02:22:05.000You probably need to try to seek some help.
02:22:07.000Well, there's a lot of people that are very strong-willed, and they feel like, I can do it, like some other pussies can't, but I'm going to be able to do it, and, you know...
02:22:14.000I went through 90 days of rehab and I came out and I've been sober for like 22 months and people in my circle say that's a miracle because a lot of people don't even make it that far.
02:22:25.000So I'm just trying to keep going and trying to get healthier because I think it's all snowball effect.
02:22:31.000You can go snowball effect downhill or you can go snowball effect and be on the rise and start doing everything right and eating like you're eating and using people like you.
02:22:45.000I have a bunch of different things I do every day and listen to and watch and try to gain information from everybody, you know, become a better person all the time.
02:22:54.000I have a bunch of different podcasts that I listen to and news sources that I find.
02:22:59.000And I think this is a cool time for that, you know?
02:23:01.000And this is a cool time for like like a guy like you can come on a podcast and just talk for a few hours and explain everything and be open and People hear this and more than a million people will hear this and it'll open their eyes to what this is all about I felt obligated to be open because I felt like I did so much bad shit like Like man,
02:26:30.000Yeah, she thought he was going to your comedy show and thought it was like, I'm flying to LA. We just went a couple weeks ago for your birthday.
02:26:36.000Oh, so she thought you were coming to see stand-up.