Kevin Rose is the founder of Digig, a company that helps people catch and trap wild animals. In this episode, he tells us about the time he chucks a raccoon down a flight of stairs, and how it ended up getting mauled by one of the most vicious raccoons he's ever seen. Plus, he talks about a wild raccoon attack on his dog and how he managed to catch it and trap it. And, of course, there's a story about how he almost got eaten by a wild cat. This episode is brought to you by Digig. Logo by Courtney DeKorte. Theme by Mavus White. Music by PSOVOD and tyops. The opinions stated here are our own, not those of our companies. We do not own the rights to any of the music used in this episode. All credit goes to original artists and labels. If you like what you hear, please leave us a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. It helps spread the word about this podcast. Thank you for listening and share it! We really appreciate it. Timestamps: 1:00:00 - What would you do with your cat? 3:15 - What kind of cat would you like to have as a pet? 4:30 - What animal would you kill? 5:40 - How to catch a wild animal? 6:20 - What type of cat do you'd like to see me catch? 7:00 -- what kind of food would you would eat? 8: What animal do you want me catch in a trap? 9: what animal would I catch in your home? 11: Which animal would be your cat eat me? 13:30 -- would you want to have me catch it? 14:40 -- what would you eat me in a cage? 15:00 16:20 -- how much food would I kill me kill me in your house? 17:10 -- how do you like it like that kind of thing? 18:10 - I m scared of cats? 19:10 15,000 cat food? 16,000 more? 21,000, I d like to catch me in the wildest thing I m going to eat you? 22,000 17,000 pounds? 20,000 miles? 23,000?
00:00:06.000And thanks for introducing me to your dog, because I have to tell you that that video of you grabbing that raccoon and chucking it down the stairs was easily one of the most gangster things I've ever seen online.
00:01:32.000No, you know, we had seen raccoons in the backyard before, and it was just one of those things where they always just kind of like run away the second the lights come on.
00:01:40.000And this time, I don't know what he was, I don't know if he had babies.
00:01:43.000Actually, there were some other raccoons that we saw with him at the same time, so I don't know.
00:01:49.000Man, those weird sort of fringe wildlife creatures like raccoons and coyotes that kind of hang around cities are so creepy.
00:02:10.000They did this study recently where they checked the digestive tracts of all these mountain lions, and they thought, we're going to find deer and rabbit.
00:02:45.000And then I proceeded to go on Amazon and buy a trap.
00:02:50.000And so then I was able to trap one a few days later and it was evil.
00:02:54.000I mean like I went down there just to check out the trap and I saw it from above and when I got down there it was just hissing and trying to scratch the cage at me and I mean they're not the friendly ones that you see on YouTube.
00:03:05.000Like there's some that are like kind of domesticated where the people feed them and then they come and you can pet them and whatnot.
00:03:10.000These wild ones are just like the I will cut your throat kind of animals.
00:07:48.000But I think it's also, that's probably based on how lean it is, too, because you would assume that an 8-ounce piece of moose would be far less fat than an 8-ounce piece of domestic beef.
00:09:58.000And it's also one of those animals where my friend Steve Rinella calls them charismatic megafauna, where if you say you eat bear, there's a bunch of people that have this, oh, this like knee jerk.
00:10:12.000But it's one of those game animals where it's actually imperative that people hunt them because they don't have any natural predators.
00:10:18.000So if they don't get hunted, if someone doesn't control the population, they decimate the moose and the deer because they eat all the fawns.
00:10:26.000They eat all the ground-nesting birds, and they also eat each other.
00:10:31.000So I have a friend that collects butterflies, my friend's wife, and apparently there are places in the world where the butterflies are a serious problem.
00:10:40.000Like, they overtake and eat crops and decimate everything.
00:10:44.000And they're these beautiful six, seven-inch butterflies, but she sources them from there, where they actually have to kill them, otherwise it's going to ruin the whole environment.
00:14:38.000How about you be nice to people, crazy bitch?
00:14:41.000I mean, there's certain, I think we've all looked at, like, vegetarians have been, like, seen someone really healthy and thought, wow, you're glowing.
00:16:13.000They've been around for a while, but they're becoming very popular, especially here in L.A. I can't believe you haven't seen them in L.A. People walk them like dogs.
00:16:21.000You would think that I would like because I live out here that I would understand this place.
00:16:26.000Yeah, but my Interaction with LA is going to the comedy store in the improv going to the comedy clubs going to where I buy food Going to my neighborhood and being with my friends and going to the gym like whatever wherever I work out Do you enjoy the city then or I think there's too many people here.
00:16:43.000Yeah, I just think Oh, look at this cute little fucker.
00:17:15.000But again, it's like there's a big goddamn difference between a domesticated pig that you raise yourself that becomes like a pet and a wild pig.
00:18:25.000I believe the transformation starts to take place within six weeks.
00:18:29.000So within six weeks of being wild and out in the wild having to fend for itself, not having food given to it, its body starts to transform.
00:20:03.000There was some estimate that there was something in the Hudson Valley where they did a test of all these different ticks and some ungodly percentage had Lyme disease.
00:20:13.000More than 50% of the ticks had Lyme disease, which is terrifying.
00:20:37.000Well, I have a friend who got it and he brought his son, his son got it too, and he brought his son to the doctor and it was a shitty doctor.
00:20:45.000The doctor didn't want to believe that the kid had Lyme disease.
00:20:47.000And then all of a sudden the kid's face went palsy.
00:20:50.000He had Bell's palsy where his mouth started drooling and his lips wouldn't move.
00:21:13.000It's called Morgellons disease which for a long time they thought Morgellons might be some sort of a psychosomatic disorder where people believe they had like fibers going out of their skin and they're itching themselves constantly and they would they would bring these fibers to doctors to examine they said my body's growing these fibers weird yeah but it wasn't really going on what was going on was that the fibers were like carpet fibers and things that were stuck to their skin and And so I interviewed this guy
00:21:43.000who was a Morgellon sufferer, and he was also a doctor, so it was kind of fascinating to get his perspective on it.
00:21:50.000And he was very frustrated by the way the medical establishment treats this disease, because they were treating it like it's like a completely psychological disorder.
00:22:02.000He goes, I think there's a neurotoxicity to this disease, and that One of the things about this disease was a vast majority of the people who had Morgellons also had Lyme disease.
00:22:13.000So what he thinks, and there's not enough people that have it, but what he thinks is Lyme disease affects your brain.
00:22:21.000There's some sort of a neurotoxicity to this Lyme disease when it gets to some people.
00:22:29.000When you get Lyme disease, like you have a tick that gives you this disease and the tick carries it in his body and gives it to you.
00:22:36.000He goes, it's not like it's giving it to you in a syringe and it's a pure form of this disease.
00:22:41.000He's like, you're getting a variety of different pathogens along with that.
00:22:46.000And when he was describing it to me, I was like, oh, this totally makes sense.
00:22:49.000It's probably just a very small sample size of people who have this problem.
00:22:53.000But the people who have it, man, they get fucking crazy.
00:22:56.000So do you go out to the East Coast at all then?
00:23:32.000But it's just so scary because it fucks with your immune system.
00:23:35.000And it really, depending upon how bad you get it and who you are and what your makeup is, some people just have a really nasty, averse reaction to it.
00:23:44.000As a matter of fact, my friend's dad got it from a vaccine.
00:23:47.000They used to give a vaccine for Lyme disease, and they don't do it anymore.
00:23:52.000Because it could turn into full-blown?
00:23:54.000That's the stuff you always worry about.
00:24:25.000But if you're one of those one out of a thousand people, there's not that much comfort in the fact that your brain gets fucking fried because they tried some experimental fucking weird vaccine on you.
00:25:56.000I go to the gym, and on the cold setting, I put my hands, you know, as I'm washing my hair under the cold shower, and my hands are numb within 45 seconds.
00:27:32.000Yeah, I've done the ice baths a few times.
00:27:33.000That was week 10 for me on his course.
00:27:36.000I went and got 10 bags of ice from the corner store, filled up my bathtub with cold water, and then put all 10 bags of ice in there, submerged myself up to my neck, and did that for 15 minutes.
00:28:42.000No, I've been doing a ton of research and I'm either going to put out a big PDF on it or a little mini e-book or something that I'll give away.
00:28:56.000There's some people in Russia that have done it for a long time, hundreds of years, and I got a hold of their original documents and had them translated so I could figure out what the protocol is.
00:29:03.000Well, they do banya and then freezing water.
00:29:32.000And then they climb from the hot sauna, they climb into the water.
00:29:36.000I always thought of it as just something that makes you feel a little bit better, but when you read and listen to Rhonda and her research on sauna, and 40% less mortality across the board from all factors, whether it's cancer, disease, heart attack,
00:29:51.000all these different things, you're like, what?
00:29:56.000And then she talks about the actual physical measurable responses to sauna, to extreme heat, heat shock proteins, and then also cold shock proteins.
00:30:04.000You realize, like, oh, there's something really going on here.
00:30:18.000I don't know about for you, but it was about week two to week three, where all of a sudden I just woke up and I'm like, wait a second, I feel like I'm 16 again.
00:30:26.000Or, you know, just like a little bit, my mood was just crazy good.
00:31:04.000And also for aches and pains and for someone who trains a lot, the measurable effect that they found as far as reducing the inflammatory markers in the blood, you can feel that.
00:31:18.000You can absolutely feel the response to that when you do it like a week or two in a row.
00:31:33.000So Van Gogh, when he cut his ear off and they put him in an insane asylum, they forced him to do two weekly, two hour long sessions of cold therapy.
00:32:49.000Another one is I found some monks out in Japan that study this form of meditation in Buddhism where they sit underneath waterfalls, ice-cold waterfalls, and they meditate.
00:33:00.000And I found their chants and all that that go along with that.
00:33:03.000So that's something I'm going to put in this document as well.
00:33:13.000Hoist Gracie is the guy who won the original UFCs, but he had his brother.
00:33:18.000His brother Hickson is almost like a mythical creature in the world of martial arts because he's universally hailed as the greatest jiu-jitsu fighter of all time.
00:33:28.000This is the guy they call the Michael Jordan of jiu-jitsu.
00:33:32.000Because jiu-jitsu is one of those things where there's so many good guys, it's so hard to figure out who's the best.
00:33:37.000This guy might beat that guy, and then next year that guy can beat this guy, but this is Hickson.
00:34:22.000Maybe 96. I don't remember what year it was.
00:34:25.000But he went over to Japan and competed in this big mixed martial arts tournament.
00:34:29.000And when he was over there, part of the time that he spent was climbing into these freezing cold rivers and getting under these waterfalls and meditating.
00:34:45.000He's in there doing these yogi breathing exercises.
00:34:48.000That's what Wim teaches is a lot of that breathing to go along with.
00:34:51.000You have to be really, really careful.
00:34:53.000There's been people that have passed out doing the breathing exercises because they're so deep and it's really like giving you all that oxygen.
00:34:59.000I put an oxygen meter on my finger when I do the breathing exercises and I take it, I hover right around 98. Like no one's ever really at 100 all the time.
00:35:07.000Some people, weird people are, but I can bring myself up to 100%.
00:35:53.000That is the fall of Western civilization.
00:35:56.000The people that run those UPS stores that get packages delivered to them and shit like that, they did not know what they were signing up for when one clicking came around.
00:36:03.000Their suicide rates have to be just like through the roof.
00:36:19.000I mean, I don't think there's ever one thing that people have been into where I was like, ah, I can't believe it.
00:36:25.000You know how there's those people that get into video games like, you know, Farmville and all that, and they spend like hundreds of thousands of dollars?
00:36:31.000There has to be the equivalent on Amazon, right?
00:36:33.000There have to be people that just one-click the shit out of Amazon every single day.
00:36:36.000Well, when my grandfather was dying, my grandfather, when he was really old, after my grandmother died in particular, he was super depressed, and he got addicted to catalogs.
00:37:45.000But if you send that money, God will multiply that money tenfold.
00:37:50.000And they'd have all these people that would say, you know, my rent was due, you know, my car payment, they were going to repossess my car, but I sent $100.
00:37:57.000And the whole audience is clapping and cheering.
00:38:34.000And as the body's failing, here's some guy on television that's saying a bunch of things that...
00:38:39.000And I think there's sort of a window of...
00:38:44.000of cognitive function that starts to close and it's very hard to perceive and you're on the outside you have to kind of like talk to them a lot to see like oh your ability to think is really really compromised right now right and but you know they talking they talk and they seem fairly normal right and but if you're around them a lot then you kind of get the full picture what's going on and those those types of people like man that's what they're gonna prey on Yeah,
00:40:33.000From the beginning of time, since they started taking pictures of planets, all those planets, the Sun, the Moon, Jupiter, all that shit just happens to be around, and you're not buying it.
00:40:54.000Well, I think people love to be the person who...
00:40:58.000I think there's something going on in the human brain, where the human brain has always been curious, and we're trying to innovate, and there's a part of the brain that has this insatiable desire to create better things and to innovate, and to constantly find a better way.
00:41:33.000Some secrets that are true, some conspiracies that absolutely do exist, whether it's William Randolph Hearst, whether it's fucking Rockefeller trying to keep alcohol from being legal because he wants to protect the gasoline market.
00:41:47.000All these real conspiracies that you find out, and they fuel the speculation.
00:41:51.000And then they want to be the one that tells you.
00:42:16.000I think it's absolutely possible that we could have been visited by a life form from another planet at one point in time, but there's no evidence.
00:43:21.000When we were filming Fear Factor way out in the middle of the desert in Palmdale, which is near Edwards Air Force Base, and they had the stealth bombers.
00:43:31.000It was like right after September 11th.
00:44:19.000And so there's one called BEEF, which is the big explosive experimental facility.
00:44:26.000There's a lot of subcritical nuclear testing that's done underground, so it doesn't break any treaties, but they can figure out the yield based on the tests that they do.
00:44:35.000So they can still do kind of nuclear tests, but it's not actually producing...
00:44:38.000But they still close off all the areas when they do it.
00:44:41.000And then there's every three-letter agency you can imagine rents out a piece of the test site to do tests and experiments.
00:44:56.0002000. Just before that, 99, 98, 99, 2000. What was the year where they had to admit that that was actually a base because they had to expand the area that was forbidden to trespass on?
00:45:21.000It was weird because they were just, you would go into the, well, first of all, you couldn't go to any area unless you had a reason to be there, and you also had to have a proper security clearance.
00:45:31.000So I had what was called a queue clearance, which was top secret, but even if I had top secret, unless I had a request, and then if I went into an area that had sensitive information, I would also have to be escorted at the same time.
00:46:39.000They wanted to feel that it was real because it was just laminated a certain way.
00:46:43.000So I don't know why they had to touch it.
00:46:45.000And then once you get through the front gate there, then to go into further areas, you could drive out there, but there'd be other gates if there was secret information going on between where you left and where you were headed.
00:46:56.000So if you wanted to get to Groom Lake, there was one other guard station just outside of the Sedan Crater.
00:47:03.000If you look up Sedan Crater on Google, there's this massive crater that was done via nuclear tests.
00:47:08.000And right past that is one more guard station.
00:47:16.000And then an area can go dark, and then, you know, Department of Defense can come in and take it over and just do tests there for three months, and then it's dark again, and they just, you know, destroy everything they were working on.
00:47:26.000Now, like, this massive crater from the nuclear test, like...
00:48:47.000There were friends that we had that worked out in those areas, and I think they were experimenting just based on the skill sets that were going out there on kind of anti-gravity related stuff.
00:49:30.000I went underground one time in one of the areas, and they make you take this respirator training before you go underneath there, so you have to know how to use these emergency packs in case...
00:50:41.000A lot of these, so for example, when they did the subcritical nuclear test, they would have you go all the way underground, they'd set up all the test equipment, they would seal it with concrete, they would detonate it, and then they would close off the hole.
00:50:52.000So it was always locked down and just underneath there.
00:50:56.000And so that's kind of just underground forever.
00:50:58.000That sounds like such a crazy way to do it.
00:51:01.000I mean, they just didn't have the funds or, you know, they're not going to go in there and dig up a bunch of busted equipment that already detonated.
00:53:58.000Nuclear power is insane and nuclear bombs are way more insane.
00:54:04.000The idea that you're going to split atoms and it's going to cause a reaction that is just so almost inconceivably powerful to the average person.
00:54:13.000Like what could be, we have like sort of a metric in our head about, okay, this is a firecracker.
00:55:37.000Well, he's one of those guys that if you're a dummy and you listen to him, I mean, you go, oh, well, he's making sense and he seems so confident.
00:56:44.000He did some research into the guy's background and believes that he lied about his education and lied about different places that he worked.
00:57:20.000Well, I think for sure it's possible that there's life out there in the universe that is as intelligent as us.
00:57:28.000But it's also possible that we're the only one.
00:57:30.000And the reason why I think it's possible that we're the only one is there's hundreds of millions of lifeforms on Earth, but we're the only one with an apple.
00:57:54.000But I mean, out of this planet, you know, it's not like we go into the fucking Congo and we find some strange species that knows how to send emails to each other.
00:58:53.000I was in a tank once, and I swore that it was an experience that I... I mean, the imagination is a very strange thing.
00:59:02.000Imagination is very weird, because it's...
00:59:05.000A lot of people, when you think of the imagination, you think of, oh, he's making things up in his mind that aren't real.
00:59:11.000That's like the standard way of looking at the imagination.
00:59:13.000Really, like, pragmatic, hard-nosed people will go, ah, all he's doing is sitting around all day imagining things.
00:59:21.000But imagination is responsible for that clock, this computer, the coffee mugs, how to use ceramics, microphones, every fucking object on earth is all created out of the imagination.
00:59:32.000And I was in a sensory deprivation tank, and I had this experience where I was in the jungle, and not only was I listening to these people speak this strange language, but I understood.
00:59:53.000Edible pot is my drug of choice in sensory deprivation tanks.
00:59:56.000I think edible pot, first of all, is one of the most underrated psychedelic compounds.
01:00:01.000I just think people don't realize that there is a profound difference between THC and what happens when your liver processes it, which is 11-hydroxy metabolite, which is four to five times more psychoactive than THC, which is why a lot of people think when they eat pot cookies that it was laced.
01:01:46.000And I was trying to think, like, maybe this is like some sort of like a deeply tucked away genetic memory from back when, you know, the great, great, great ancestors of whoever was, you know, if you have to think...
01:02:02.000Any person that's alive today, somehow or another, your genes must be traced back to ancient people.
01:02:52.000And one of the reasons why I say this is because I have very obvious folders.
01:02:59.000Like when I'm talking about certain things, like say if we're talking about, you know, whatever, psychedelic drugs or monkeys or anything...
01:03:08.000My mind has a bunch of information that it can draw upon.
01:03:12.000But if you bring up something that I normally would be very knowledgeable about, like maybe mixed martial arts, like start asking me about certain fights or fighters, I have to go, oh yeah, hold on.
01:03:21.000But if I was commentating on a UFC and it came up, it would be there for me.
01:04:07.000Like, why does it come and why does it go?
01:04:09.000And why is it enhanced by certain compounds like paracetam and things along those lines.
01:04:14.000Choline, there's like certain different things that will enhance your ability to memorize things or remember things or recall things.
01:04:21.000But I think that It's got to be possible that somewhere deep, deep down in our DNA or genome or something, there's some memories.
01:04:32.000And I think a lot of those memories are instincts.
01:04:35.000Like Rupert Sheldrake, who's a guy who's been on this podcast before, he's an evolutionary biologist or something like that.
01:04:42.000One of his theories is about why children who live in cities are afraid of monsters.
01:04:48.000And he thinks that there is a deep-seated genetic memory of us being preyed upon by cats, by jaguars and leopards and things along those lines.
01:04:57.000You know, back when we were, you know...
01:05:00.000Less evolved hominids and that we're living in the trees and that these cats are jacking us and they do it at night and that's why we're terrified of the night and the darkness and monsters.
01:05:09.000You know we think kids that live in inner cities they should be scared about bullets and crime and car accidents and train derailments and things that are real dangerous.
01:05:18.000They probably will be in several thousand years once we've like...
01:06:11.000It's a more powerful version of ayahuasca.
01:06:16.000Ayahuasca, from what it's been explained to me for everyone who's done it, is longer and oftentimes more introspective and it can be more profound even because it lasts longer and you have more time to sort of take in the experience.
01:06:28.000But as far as the intensity of the experience, it's not as intense as when you smoke DMT. Interesting.
01:06:34.000And smoking DMT is not as powerful as when it's injected intravenously.
01:06:41.000And that's how they did it with Dr. Rick Strassman out of the University of New Mexico, did a series of tests, clinical trials on people.
01:07:24.000All of them, I believe, afterwards said that it profoundly enhanced their life and their perspective and gave them a view of reality that forever changed the way they look at things, about interactions, life.
01:07:42.000My experiences with DMT have definitely profoundly changed the way I view possibility because it's so impossibly dynamic and insane and it just doesn't seem like anything that you could have ever imagined.
01:07:57.000And what ayahuasca is, is an orally active version of DMT, because DMT is insanely common.
01:08:06.000It's in thousands of different plants.
01:08:08.000It's in all sorts of different ecosystems.
01:08:12.000All over the world have plants that have DMT, including a lot of grasses, like phalaris grasses, which is really common.
01:08:18.000It's rich in DMT. But you can't extract it.
01:08:24.000You have to just know what you're doing.
01:08:25.000If you're a chemist, it's actually not that difficult.
01:08:28.000That's the reason why DMT, if you know people who know how to get DMT, the actual raw plants that have DMT, you can't make it legal, because there's too many of them.
01:08:39.000It's like you would have to make, like, it's one of the, there's some scholars out of Jerusalem that believe that this is the literal interpretation of what Moses was experiencing when experiencing the burning bush and talking to God.
01:08:53.000They believe that burning bush is the acacia tree.
01:08:56.000Because the acacia tree is very rich in DMT and extremely common in that part of the world.
01:09:26.000But it's entirely likely that there's a method of doing it.
01:09:30.000Because the method that they found in the Amazon is extremely convoluted.
01:09:34.000What they did was, if you eat a plant that has DMT in it, your body produces something called monoamine oxidase that breaks down the dimethyltryptamine in the plant, and you won't You won't experience it psychoactively.
01:10:05.000It's supposed to be really rich in phytonutrients, and it's supposed to be really rich in CBDs, too, which don't necessarily get you high, but are really good for you, and good for inflammation.
01:10:27.000I've never actually seen it in person, but I definitely have seen it online.
01:10:30.000So what these people have done when they created ayahuasca, and they've been doing this for no one knows how long, but they believe it's been thousands and thousands of years.
01:10:37.000It's really hard to try to Figure out how long they've been doing it.
01:10:40.000But they take the leaf of one plant, which contains harmine, which is a natural MAO inhibitor, and they take the roots or the vine of another plant, which has the dimethyltryptamine in it, and they boil it in some sort of a crazy concoction.
01:10:55.000So they figured out how to make their own pharmacological solution to absorbing DMT orally.
01:11:22.000Analogous to the difference between that little tiny pig that's like a little baby pig and a fucking wild pig who's out there hustling, making shit happen.
01:11:34.000There's a picture I put up on my Instagram a few days ago of a wild boar running off with a fawn in its mouth.
01:11:43.000And, you know, and it's a very shocking picture because we don't think of pigs as being predators.
01:12:31.000And I think these wild plants that are living in the jungle, that are alive in the rainforest and have been there for thousands of years in this deep canopy of moisture and nutrients and plants and bugs and mammals and cats and all these different things.
01:12:48.000And then you got these people who live, like the Chumani, they're walking barefoot through these fucking woods in Bolivia and throwing fucking spears at monkeys and shit and cooking them over the fire.
01:12:58.000These people have been living like this for thousands of years.
01:13:01.000They're eating coca leaves and tripping their balls off off mushrooms.
01:13:55.000You put like a little wad in your mouth and it's just like, you know, the conversation started.
01:13:59.000I think it's entirely possible that these people that are eating plants that have psychedelic properties to them, whether it's mushrooms and, you know, there's a lot of mushrooms that you can eat.
01:14:09.000And also in these same areas, there's a lot of psilocybin.
01:14:12.000So they're chewing these psilocybin mushrooms and they have these ideas of how to combine these things.
01:14:19.000You're talking about hundreds of different species of plants.
01:14:22.000These fucking guys have figured out how to take these two and combine them in some really crazy involved way.
01:14:32.000There's no explanation that makes any sense other than the plants gave them the hints.
01:14:38.000Yeah, I think that I've always believed, and my wife's a neuroscientist, so we talk about this stuff a lot and debate it, but I've always believed that, you know, we know about the senses that we've documented.
01:14:49.000And I think that there's certain things that we can take that activate other senses that we didn't know were there.
01:14:55.000And allow us to do certain things like, for example, talk to plants or whatever it may be.
01:14:59.000It's not going to be the, you know, I'm having a conversation and it's talking back to me, but it could be a feeling or a vibe or, you know, something else there, you know.
01:15:11.000Well, do you know, when scientists first found Harmin, and I want to say this was in the early 1900s, I forget what year it was, but when they first found Harmin, they wanted to call it telepathine.
01:15:28.000I think that was the plant that they found it in.
01:15:30.000I forget what the plant they found it in was.
01:15:32.000But the compound, whatever it was, had allowed these people, these scientists, to feel like they were experiencing some sort of communal thoughts.
01:15:44.000And so they wanted to call it telepathine.
01:15:47.000But because of the fact that once they had isolated the compound and figured out what it was, they realized it had already been named Harmin, you know, due to the rules of scientific nomenclature.
01:16:04.000You want to hear, this is a somewhat related topic, but I have someone that I met that has a startup that catalogs people's dreams.
01:16:15.000So they fill out like a little small questionnaire after they have a dream.
01:16:19.000And something that they've discovered, I don't know that they've published this or come out with any data or released it publicly, but people are dreaming the same thing on the same night.
01:18:01.000And we have double-blind, placebo-controlled studies showing that, from the Boston Center of Memory, showing that it enhances memory, enhances executive function, enhances reaction time.
01:18:24.000And the way I describe it is, and I try not to take it sometimes before I go to bed just because I don't want to wake up in the middle of the night freaked out.
01:18:30.000Have to pee, then can't go back to bed.
01:19:35.000A convention in New York City a few years back, 2042. They think that in 2042, that's going to be the year that artificial intelligence takes off.
01:19:46.000And there's all these weirdos that were creating these robots that they could talk to and thinking they're going to download their consciousness into computers.
01:19:55.000Well, there's a bunch of guys that had these screens over their phones because they were convinced that the artificial light that's emanating from phones is damaging your brain and damaging sleep patterns.
01:20:05.000Giving you an artificial light source, especially right before you go to bed, could potentially disrupt your sleep.
01:20:49.000We're looking at a photo of Brian Bosworth, who's a famous football guy from the 1980s, I guess, with these ridiculous glasses that no one wears anymore.
01:21:00.000Those were the things, right, after the Terminator?
01:21:04.000But these goggles, these things that people wear, they wear them and they think that somehow or another filtering the light will enhance your sleep.
01:22:20.000You can download the movies to your device, which you can't really do with Netflix.
01:22:25.000So if you're on a plane or something like that, flying over the ocean, you're kind of fucked if you want to watch Netflix.
01:22:30.000But there's also some stuff that I think...
01:22:37.000You can definitely make the argument that it's probably a good idea to support emerging platforms or other platforms as well.
01:22:47.000It's not a good thing for everybody to be on Apple.
01:22:50.000I think the more Androids come up with more sophisticated devices and more interesting options and features and applications, the more it's going to force Apple to raise their bar as well.
01:23:09.000Well, I mean, just, you know, you're sitting there in the kitchen, you're like, I ran out of trash bags.
01:23:13.000And you say, you know, order me new trash bags.
01:23:16.000And then it looks into your previous purchases, it knows that you've bought those bags before, it knows your home address, it knows your credit card, and it just automatically sends it out.
01:23:24.000And do you have to press a button to say that or do you just say it?
01:23:26.000No, you just query the device and just say, order me trash bags, that's it.
01:23:31.000So you have to talk to the device first?
01:23:32.000Yeah, you say, hey Alexa, and it's like, what's up?
01:23:35.000People get mad when I say, hey Siri, on the podcast because then their phone starts going off.
01:27:05.000So if you have, you know, iCloud on your desktop or Dropbox or anything else, even if you're in airplane mode, it's still going to be there.
01:28:03.000You can just tell it to play anything, and if you have Amazon Prime, you get access to all their free Prime music, and then it just plays it.
01:29:48.000Yeah, it's like exercises for your eyes.
01:29:50.000Katie Bowman, Katie Bowman, who's on the podcast, is kind of an expert in...
01:29:56.000Physical movement and she's got a lot of interesting ideas about biology and one of her thoughts about about glasses and about When you spend a lot of time looking at computers looking at a screen She's like you're looking at something.
01:30:10.000That's a very fixed distance, which is unusual and And the body's not really designed to focus constantly on a fixed distance for eight hours a day.
01:30:17.000Your body's supposed to look at things that are over there, things that are up here, things that are everywhere.
01:30:22.000And in that way, your body gets this broad range of things that you're viewing, all these different distances.
01:30:29.000And when you look at something that's in a fixed distance, she likens it to being in a cast.
01:30:34.000Like if you're in a cast, your muscles atrophy.
01:30:38.000I hate that technology is slowly killing us.
01:31:04.000Like, if we were, like, visiting as this planet and just observing this species called human, like, you would say, oh, they're being controlled by this little thing that's telling them what to do.
01:31:15.000Like, it looks like we're being controlled.
01:31:17.000Well, what's interesting is people say, back in the day, people didn't do that.
01:31:21.000But there's a photograph of the subway from, like, 1960 or something like that.
01:34:09.000You know, I'll look at it every day, and I'll find at least one thing every day that I have to read, like, holy shit, and then I have to click on it.
01:34:17.000But it's interesting because I'll send someone a dig link, and there's a desire that people have, a completely unfounded desire, to be over something.
01:36:13.000Yeah, the good news is that it's all Intel hardware, so you can boot into Windows if you want to, but it's still like the graphics cards are a few generations behind.
01:38:32.000You make any changes there and you have revolt on your hands.
01:38:35.000So for us, it was difficult because...
01:38:38.000We had taken a lot of investor funding and they wanted us to go very mainstream.
01:38:43.000There was always like, well, how can we get your mom reading dig or whatever it may be?
01:38:49.000And I think that in retrospect, that was the wrong approach because we should have been We're loyal to our core audience and kind of been all about that, which the site is today.
01:39:00.000It's a lot more like it was back then.
01:39:02.000I mean, granted, the design has changed, but I think the content is more like that.
01:39:07.000And the mistake that we made is we tried to push into more kind of mainstream news when really what made Dig so special is that it was able to unearth and find the really kind of unique, obscure, random stuff from around the web.
01:39:24.000I mean, we were, gosh, it was probably seven or so years that we were kind of riding that wave, you know, and like all internet properties, it's like, if you can last five years, it's amazing.
01:39:36.000If you can last seven, that's unbelievable.
01:39:37.000And if you can last 10, that's like almost unheard of.
01:39:42.000The popularity of it hasn't dropped off at all.
01:39:45.000I met with John Borthwick at Heads Up Betaworks, and he was saying it's something like a total of 42 million across all platform a month Dig still receives.
01:39:57.000That's across mobile and desktop and everything else that they do.
01:40:06.000It's just, I love when someone can just collect things for you.
01:40:10.000Someone aggregates all this interesting, weird, bizarre shit, and it's a one-stop shop.
01:40:15.000There's kind of always going to be a market for that.
01:40:17.000Yeah, that's kind of what I'm doing now with my newsletter.
01:40:19.000I don't know if you saw that I launched a new newsletter.
01:40:21.000Yeah, I launched a newsletter here just a few weeks ago, and I only put it out once a month.
01:40:26.000Like, I hate that, you know, when I was on television, on tech TV, and some of the other stuff that we did, it was always about producing new content every single day.
01:40:34.000And you can never really put the best stuff out there.
01:40:37.000You're always in a rush to produce your segment.
01:40:39.000You're like, okay, what am I going to do today, blah, blah, blah.
01:40:41.000And so I created a newsletter that is basically just my favorite stories, videos, products, but things that are fully vetted that I've spent a lot of time collecting.
01:40:52.000And so I release it once a month on the first of every month.
01:41:10.000Now I've got to snopes this and figure this out and try to figure out whose team I'm on and which article seems most rational.
01:41:16.000And then, if you can't do that, then you have to go into scientific papers, and oh, fucking Christ.
01:41:20.000Then you have to contact people and search forums and see what the people that are actually studying this shit think, and it's nice if someone vets it out in advance.
01:41:29.000Yeah, so if I put a product on there, it has to be something that, like a technology product that I've used for at least a month.
01:41:34.000So I can tell you, you know, there's a lot of that kind of, like, I get hyped up on something for a few days and it actually ends up sucking, and you've already plugged it, and you're like, damn it.
01:42:14.000Well, that's a great way to approach it, for sure.
01:42:16.000And if someone's going to really get committed to paying attention to you on a regular basis, on a monthly basis, it's probably the best way to do it.
01:43:25.000And this idea of one master base station that blankets your entire house, it's...
01:43:31.000It's great if you have a small apartment.
01:43:33.000If you have a house or two-bedroom or three-bedroom, it's next to impossible to get streaming video down at bedroom number three, down the hall.
01:45:08.000So you just plug it into your whatever, you use like some sort of a cable that connects into your router?
01:45:15.000Yeah, you just plug it right into your router with the first base station and then you go and take the other ones and just place them around your house.
01:45:59.000I think you're fine, too, but I don't know.
01:46:01.000It's like that same thing you were saying about there could possibly be senses that we don't necessarily have, like, that we could measure and weigh.
01:46:08.000But there's a feeling that you get when you're, like, at the top of a mountain if you go hiking and there's no Wi-Fi signal.
01:46:55.000But my concern is that it seems like What's going on with technology in general is, especially when it comes to the internet and anything information-based, is your access to information is getting quicker and quicker.
01:47:07.000It's like you have more access to more data and more access to each other and each other's data.
01:47:13.000And eventually, I mean, if that keeps going, it keeps going, it keeps going, there's going to come a point in time where we're just fucking reading each other's minds.
01:47:21.000And when that happens, there's really not going to be a lot of privacy, if at all.
01:47:25.000Yeah, I think that there's certainly people trying to push the envelope there, and there has been over the last few years in startups that I've seen.
01:47:33.000There was a startup that, at one point, you would auth in all of your credit cards, and it would share out socially the stuff that you were buying with friends.
01:47:42.000And so, basically, if you went on there and bought a blood sensor on Amazon, I would see that.
01:47:49.000And then I could then use that as more or less an endorsement from you and go buy something similar.
01:47:54.000It blew up and it went out of business, but they were kind of pushing that.
01:47:57.000But there has to be a trade-off, especially when it comes to free services.
01:48:01.000Like, you can't expect to be a private person if you're getting something for free.
01:48:05.000If you're getting Gmail, they are reading your emails and they're putting ads against it.
01:48:10.000Now, it's not human reading them, but their machines are reading them and placing relevant ads.
01:48:15.000Well, there's that spooky moment when you're looking something online and then you go look to the corner of your website page and it's that exact ad.
01:48:38.000And if you were looking for, like, a pair of shoes and you went and researched a pair of shoes, then all of a sudden that pair of shoes is staring at you on the website.
01:50:39.000I don't know what the number is, but it was around Windows ME. Because I remember I was making game computers and I didn't like Windows ME. Ah, it was the worst.
01:50:51.000And so I had some friends that went with NT. But the problem was you would have issues with certain drivers for video cards and you have to be like really hip on the forums and make sure you get on IRC and find out where the best drivers are and how to...
01:54:35.000But I'm sure that if I just fucking blew a fuse one night and drank too many jolt colas and sat down in front of my computer and decided to go online and play some death matches, I would get right back into it.
01:54:49.000Just like a dude who has a rubber band off his arm and shot that heroin in for a while.
01:56:59.000Yeah, I mean, it's just after a while.
01:57:01.000But then the worst thing is, like, you would find someone who would kick your ass, even though, you know, they had 50 ping and you had zero.
01:58:29.000Well, some people have these channels where they play on Twitch and they have hundreds of thousands of people that are following them and watching them and they're playing...
01:58:38.00040,000 people might be watching them play a fucking game at the same time.
01:58:42.000I mean, you see the stadiums in Korea.
02:00:08.000You just go there and you drink beer and you yell and then you leave.
02:00:15.000You know, just to experience it one time, I'm not into it, I don't know the characters, I don't watch it ever, but just to go and experience that kind of environment.
02:00:23.000It's not interesting to me, but I get it.
02:00:25.000I get how it would be interesting, but you gotta think that, like, I'm already, whoa, is that how many people are there?
02:05:39.000Realized that I should probably get some food in me, but I'm not I'm not compromised and in that state I can still have a very good workout, right?
02:05:47.000Which when I was on a carbohydrate glucose based system My body was just not operating like that.
02:05:53.000I would I would have a shit workout if I was tired and I hadn't eaten anything I would have to have some fruit before I worked out and so those two benefits, but the big one was the way my brain works it just feels It feels less foggy.
02:06:12.000Well, it's undeniable also that eating all those carbohydrates has an effect on your insulin sensitivity and, you know, your body's just processing a fuckload of sugar.
02:06:21.000You're eating all that bread and pasta and all that stuff.
02:09:19.000But it's years of, you know, lifting, like kettlebells are just so, it's a fat piece of iron, and your hands are just constantly getting roughed up, and I'm using powder, you know, chalk, so it's all this grit.
02:11:03.000Just because I keep, you know, you listen to Rhonda's podcast and she starts talking about like all the guests that she has on like Dr. Dom and others.
02:11:11.000You know, they talk about how if you're doing a full 24-hour fast, like it can actually help clear out the non-pre-cancerous kind of cells that haven't fully gone cancer.
02:12:35.000Or if you are a fucking maniac and you're 30 and you're in the gym all day long and you're completely and totally dedicated, yeah, it's possible.
02:13:08.000And it's really kind of in some sort of a weird...
02:13:13.000Gray area, you know, there's some stuff that you, first of all, there's some stuff that you can get at like GNC and some of those places where it is steroids.
02:13:33.000He works for USADA and They have a website.
02:13:36.000And in the USADA website, there's all these different supplements that contain products that are illegal.
02:13:43.000Products that will get you kicked out because they are steroids and they are performance-enhancing drugs.
02:13:48.000Well, the USADA website has alphabetically listed A through Z. And each letter has just fucking shitloads of different supplements that you could buy at any store, any local vitamin shop that is likely to be filled with steroids.
02:14:59.000I mean, I'm not hating it at all, but anyone who thinks you're going to achieve that kind of results without some sort, especially like, like I said, like, how old's you, Jackman?
02:15:39.000And then, you know, there's a lot of these guys that are on something that has an insanely short half-life.
02:15:44.000Like, they'll have something that only shows up in the system for like seven hours.
02:15:49.000So what they'll try to do is they'll try to take it right before they go to bed, and they'll get the benefits of it, but they'll fucking wake you up, man.
02:15:58.000Well, it's because they want to find out what's going on, and we've exposed, or I shouldn't say we, I have nothing to do with it, but they've exposed tremendous underlying issues.
02:16:09.000Sort of just a standard operational procedure of testosterone, steroids, all sorts of different ways of manipulating the system.
02:16:19.000EPO, that stuff that Armstrong got caught with, or actually didn't.
02:16:22.000He never got caught with anything, right?
02:16:25.000But a lot of those cyclists take EPO, which jacks up your red blood cell production.
02:16:31.000There's just so many different ways of enhancing the way the body functions, both naturally, you know, like with ketosis and a lot of other methods, and, you know, and then with exogenous chemicals.
02:16:41.000Did you see the documentary on steroids?
02:20:20.000I think this is also a mass movement of body dysmorphia because it's not just that these guys are trying to get as big as they can.
02:20:33.000I don't think they see themselves the way other people see them either because sometimes they freak out when they're not in perfect shape and they want to cover their bodies up with sweaters and stuff and they don't want anybody looking at them.
02:20:47.000It's like an anorexia thing, in a way.
02:20:49.000But it's still, like, better than 99.9% of humans on Earth, even when they're not in that peak shape.
02:21:33.000I wonder if that would affect, without getting your body into a state of ketosis, I wonder if that would affect the way your body put on muscle mass.
02:22:30.000So when you're talking to an oncologist and the oncologist starts poo-pooing the value of phytonutrients and certain vitamins to combat cancer and he doesn't stay on top of the cutting edge of it.
02:22:43.000I mean, people are so weird with what they know that they believe that what they know is all there is out there.
02:22:49.000I had a discussion with this woman and she just We were talking about this animal that they found in the Congo.
02:23:51.000There's a guy named Carl Armand, who's a Swiss wildlife photographer, who set up some camera traps, and he got a picture of one of them walking, standing on...
02:24:00.000Look at the side of the balls on that.
02:24:48.000This was, you know, like, there's a bunch of different scientists that are studying this thing and trying to find out how many of them there are.
02:24:56.000And they don't have any of them in captivity.
02:25:10.000But the point being, when someone gets a certain amount of information on a subject and then they don't stay up on it and they still want to cling to that old information like this is all there is.
02:25:21.000You do a real disservice to the other people that require you to be the one who's the voice of information.
02:26:27.000She was talking about, Dr. Rhonda Patrick was talking about that, that there's some pretty significant benefits, not just for combating cancer, but also for dealing with chemo.
02:26:37.000It's just amazing how many tinkers there are out there, like Dr. Dom D'Agostino, guys who are just super fucking smart, but also tweaking their own body.
02:26:47.000Have you had Peter Atiyah on the show yet?
02:27:10.000Well, there's these doctors that are also into physical fitness and, you know, exercise.
02:27:14.000Like, one of the things about Tim Ferriss' podcast was Dom D'Agostino talking about fasting for five days and then doing, like, 500-pound deadlifts.
02:27:24.000You would think of someone who hadn't eaten in five days just being a barely alive thing, clinging to life, you know?
02:27:32.000Yeah, it's really fascinating how we're learning also that the body has a bunch of different ways that it can acquire food, that it can acquire food through carbohydrates or fuel, rather, through carbohydrates or through fat.
02:27:44.000And it can go back and forth in between those things.
02:27:47.000And just the reaction that your body has that we think is normal to common, everyday foods that are just really fucking terrible for you.
02:27:57.000And, you know, you can do occasionally every now and then, but I didn't...
02:28:01.000When I really committed to it was when I met Mark Sisson, and I did the podcast with him, and I really started talking about the benefits of it, and I just decided, well, it's worth a shot.
02:28:37.000I mean, I'm sure you keep up with the data as well, but it feels like every few months there's another report that comes out that talks about how toxic and evil it is.
02:30:55.000We left one of those chocolate bars, the Whole Foods, like, dark chocolate, like, 80%, and he just, we came home, and the wrapper's, like, all over the floor, and I'm like, oh, my God.
02:31:06.000And so I called the vet, and they're like, bring him in right away.
02:31:09.000Brought him down there two days in the hospital on IV. Whoa.
02:31:14.000Like, he ate, like, six times the lethal dose or something like that.
02:31:18.000I mean, he's a small little labradoodle.
02:31:20.000And did they put charcoal in his stomach?
02:31:22.000We had to give him charcoal afterwards.
02:34:08.000It's just, like I said, my main concern is predominantly making sure I'm eating healthy stuff.
02:34:13.000Just making sure that I... And then, I also have to really vet out some of the information when it comes to increasing the mitochondria in your body.
02:34:23.000I need to find the pros and cons or the detractors of these ideas.
02:34:28.000Because there's some of the things that Sisson was saying that was like, ooh, I gotta look that up.
02:34:32.000And Kyle Kingsbury, who's a friend of mine, who's a former UFC fighter, who's a very, very smart guy, who's also been keto for a couple years now.
02:34:40.000I have a few friends that are athletes, like real high-level athletes.
02:34:43.000My friend Danny Propokos, he's a former jiu-jitsu world champion.
02:34:47.000He's been ketogenic for the past year.
02:35:28.000It's like, you know, like I said about the cold therapy and the mood, the 20% boost, it's like a 20% boost in just mental clarity and sharpness.
02:39:13.000And I find that those are the hard moments.
02:39:17.000And only the moments that you can get through if you're truly passionate and into what you're doing.
02:39:23.000Well, I have a lot of varied interests, but I also have a lot of interest in other people's interests, even if I'm not interested in their interests.
02:39:31.000What I mean is, if I'm listening to a guy talk, say if he makes custom kitchen knives, Like, and he's just really into it.
02:39:40.000And he talks to you about the type of steel that he uses and how he prepares the blade.
02:42:15.000Like this moleskin that fits in my pocket?
02:42:17.000Yeah, also, it's Rodia is the one I was trying to think of.
02:42:19.000R-H-O-D-I-A. Rodia is the one that won his best, not domestic pick, or not domestic pick, but just one that's easy to find around at various stationary shops.
02:42:59.000But if you want them to stand the test of time, if you want them to be archival quality, if you want them to work with fountain pens, it's super geeky.
02:47:37.000One of the things that Rhonda Patrick had to correct is he gets things wrong about the science behind things because he's sort of reciting other people's work.
02:50:22.000No, Caveman sends us different stuff all the time.
02:50:25.000Because it's my friend's company, and I know...
02:50:29.000I know how ethical they are and how they source it and how they have this great relationship with this farm in Colombia and it's all like direct relationship.
02:50:39.000To me, it's the easiest way to deal with it.
02:50:41.000If you go to their website, they explain how they do everything.
02:50:45.000It's just the cleanest way to go about it.