John Dudley is a world-famous archery coach and the host of the hit TV show "Archery With John Dudley" on the History Channel. In this episode of the show, John takes us behind the scenes as he takes us on a journey into the crazy world of archery. We get to see what it's like to be a professional archer, how it's really like, and what it takes to be an elite archer. We also get to hear from some of the other teams involved in the challenge and see how they are doing their best to beat the odds. We also hear from a few other teams who have done amazing things in the past, and we get a sneak preview of what's to come in the future! Thanks to everyone for all your support, stay tuned for the rest of the episodes and stay tuned to the end for our next episode where we talk about the latest in archery with John Dudley! -Jon & Jamie Check us out on Anchor.fm/TheKnockOutArchery and use the hashtag on the socials and if you like what you hear. If you like the podcast and want to support the podcast, please leave us a review on Apple Podcasts or wherever else you re listening, we'll be listening! Thanks again for listening and supporting the podcast! Timestamps: - 5:30 - 7:00 - 8:00 - 9:15 - 11:30 - 16:15 - 17:00 | 17:15 | 18:40 - 18:20 - 19:40 - 20:30 | 21:40 | 22:00 +23:00 / 26:30 +27:00 & 27:00 // 27:40 +28:00 ?30 35:00? & 35:10 36:00?? 37:00 #1 39:00 Is it cool? & 36:40 ? 40:00 @ #3? #1? ? & 37:40 & 39:15 ? #4 ? #3 +4 +4 #5 41:10 +6? +6 & #6 #7 4:10 ? +5 & 5 & 6 And so much more? , & 4,5 ?
00:01:44.000This is going to be an unbelievable challenge.
00:01:47.000I've got Joe Rogan's favorite workout tool.
00:01:50.000I've got an Onnit Kettlebell Primal and Kong is going to have to make a decision whether he's going to let this arrow pass or not.
00:02:00.000I'm going to try to put an arrow through that two inch handle right there and actually at this distance of a hundred yards And the angle that arrow has to come in, I bet it's even smaller.
00:02:13.000This is going to be an unbelievable challenge.
00:02:16.000Definitely going to have to defy the odds.
00:02:18.000My idea is to put them right here on this shelf and I've got a curtain right behind so hopefully it'll stop the arrow but also let it do its thing so that we can capture all this on tape right at dark.
00:02:32.000I'm going to put an arrow through a two inch gap in the handle.
00:04:58.000Yeah, I always thought you had to wear those wrist things.
00:05:01.000Like when I would see people that were shooting bows without those wrist things, I'm like, they're like riding a motorcycle without a helmet.
00:05:37.000In martial arts, when you see someone do something, like if someone's really good at judo or something like that, Like when they execute a throw, and it's just perfect position and perfect technique, it's beautiful.
00:05:48.000You know, there's like a beauty to it.
00:05:50.000And when you see an archer, like I was talking to you about that, when I was watching and trying to get it in my head, this sort of flow that you have in what you do, it's super similar in a lot of ways.
00:06:03.000And something that I really didn't predict, like...
00:06:07.000I guess I just always assume that I kind of know what something is if it seems pretty straightforward.
00:06:13.000Like, oh yeah, you pull the string back and then you let the arrow fly.
00:06:18.000Like, I think that's most people's idea of what archery is.
00:06:22.000But then when you really pay attention to the technical aspects of all the different stuff that's going on and all the different things you think about and how you literally cannot have anything on your mind other than All the technique involved your foot placement,
00:06:38.000your technique in standing, your breathing, how you're drawing it back, the position of your front shoulder, the position of your rear elbow, how you're pulling, how do you respond after the arrow is released?
00:06:50.000There's so much going on that when you put it all together, it leaves no room for For homework.
00:06:58.000There's no room for relationship bullshit.
00:07:03.000If you want to make a nice shot like that, I guarantee you, if we could have a brain scan of your head, the second you release that arrow at 100 yards to go in that two-inch gap, there would be nothing in there other than what you did.
00:07:17.000There would be no other cells that would be fired up.
00:07:42.000For me, I love shooting at first light and at last light because it seems like that's when I'm not really worried about someone texting me or calling me.
00:07:50.000I'm not worried about a problem at home.
00:07:52.000And I shoot with a clear mind, and I'm way more efficient at my practice, and it is a form of meditation.
00:07:59.000I mean, like you said, it's an art, and if you're clouded, then it will reflect that on the target.
00:08:08.000I mean, it's like if your arrows are in one spot, then you know you have a single focus.
00:08:14.000And it's almost like the more those arrows are spread, that's a representation of...
00:08:19.000How many other thoughts and distractions you have going in your mind?
00:08:23.000I mean, and I look at it that way when I shoot.
00:08:26.000I'm trying to narrow everything down to just a movement.
00:08:30.000And you look at good golfers, the ones that swing easy and it just literally looks like flow, they're such good strikers and they're so much more efficient.
00:08:41.000When you see people that are trying to be robotic and almost like hack something, Then it's too systematic.
00:08:49.000You see someone that does professional karate or something, if they're in a forms competition, if they're real rigid going around, it's just not what it's meant to be.
00:12:50.000Yeah, I mean, you look at the Avengers, you look at Hunger Games, there's actually so many, even a lot of the sitcoms now, you know.
00:13:01.000Obviously, crossbows are popular because of the Walking Dead, but when it comes to true archery, you just see a lot more archers coming in.
00:13:08.000Lord of the Rings, Legolas was so popular because of that.
00:13:16.000I mean, it's an Olympic sport, and we actually have a phenomenal Olympic team here in the U.S. Our men's team is definitely going to be contenders for another medal.
00:14:33.000Geeky stuff like different kinds of sights and this is a new cam that they just came out with and these are different kinds of strings and when you do this it makes this better and this is so much going on with it.
00:14:44.000Oh yeah you can you know if I look back at the bows I started with and I've I've only been shooting professionally since 97 so I mean it's 19 years I guess it seemed I'm getting old now but um that's a long time the bows that I used then that are at the house You wonder how in the heck you shot that good with them and actually two months ago I was at the Olympic headquarters like the Olympic Museum so they have all these awesome Olympic artifacts
00:15:14.000of like swim trunks people wear or like you know the javelin got to see the original recurve bow like j bars was actually on display and they constantly change them so if you're visiting the museum you're not seeing the same things all the time but You look at those pieces of equipment,
00:15:32.000the bikes, I mean, the bikes that people rode in the Olympic Games, it's like, holy cow, how are they that efficient?
00:15:39.000It's almost more impressive because now we've gotten so advanced in our equipment that it's easier to be at the level, I think, than 20 years ago because the equipment just wasn't there.
00:15:54.000You know, I almost wonder if those people...
00:15:57.000Didn't have to put in two or three times the time and be just that much more elegant at what they did because their equipment was almost a handicap back then.
00:16:09.000Could they perform the same kind of feats?
00:16:11.000Like, could someone shoot an arrow like that?
00:16:13.000Like, was it a common thing to be able to shoot what you did, a hundred yards, and shooting through that two-inch opening into the kettlebell handle?
00:16:23.000There's actually a lot of people in archery now that are pushing this envelope.
00:16:28.000I mean, long-distance shooting is becoming super popular.
00:16:31.000And, you know, to a lot of the real target archers that are out there that are listening to this podcast, see, when we go to a full FITA tournament, we shoot 30...
00:18:42.000I mean, and there's professional archers.
00:18:44.000I guarantee you there's archers right now somewhere that's preparing for a World Cup event or something.
00:18:50.000And there's people that literally have calluses and Thicker than most weightlifters just from grabbing a hold of that release.
00:18:58.000I remember looking at an Olympic recurve shooter's fingers one time, and I remember his hands, his three fingers that he grabs his string with.
00:19:09.000It looked like a frog hand because the tips were so big from pulling blood.
00:19:15.000You know, I think because he and I mean these guys you look at the people that are like the Olympic training centers that are just there they get up they go eat and then they shoot until five or six at night and they eat and then they go and do a weight training session.
00:19:31.000I bet you there's people that do a thousand arrows a day.
00:21:22.000It's an imprint, and I think with any type of athletic, and it's probably that way with fighters, I'm sure, too.
00:21:28.000If you get someone that's just really in a rhythm and in a flow, if all of a sudden they start making a mistake or doing something bad, as a coach, you try to get them back into that rhythm again so that you can weed out that imprint.
00:21:44.000And that's tough as an athlete sometimes.
00:23:33.000And a lot of athletes, the really good athletes that I watch in any sport, tennis players, golfers, the key is when you have a negative moment to not let it affect what hasn't happened yet.
00:23:49.000So, a guy came up to me one time after I made a bad shot and he could tell I was getting hot.
00:23:54.000And he looked at me and he said, you know, the only arrows you have control on right now are the ones that are still in that quiver.
00:24:03.000And for me, it completely changed my outcome as a professional archer.
00:24:11.000And I've brought so much of what archery has done to me as an athlete into my life.
00:24:17.000And there's times where something really torques you off, and you have to just look at, okay, everything I do from here on out is the only thing I have control on.
00:24:33.000I haven't figured out a way, once that release goes, pling, to actually grab that arrow and pull it back and stick it back in the quiver or put it back on the string.
00:24:45.000It's like a perfect representation of life.
00:24:48.000You make a decision, if it was shit...
00:24:52.000You have to reset and say, what do I need to do with myself to get back on track in life?
00:24:59.000We make bad decisions at times, but how do we make a good decision to get back online?
00:25:06.000Yeah, it's management of the mind in a lot of ways.
00:25:09.000And one of the things that I also like about archery, love about archery, is that it's absolute.
00:25:17.000Arrow back like it's flying through the air and either it hits the bullseye or you missed It's it's just it is what it is.
00:25:24.000It doesn't care about where you live It doesn't care who your uncle is.
00:25:28.000It doesn't care how much money you make a year It doesn't care like the arrow is gonna go.
00:25:32.000It's an absolute discipline and I think you coming from professionals or coming from sports rather sports background played a lot of football and When you play sports, especially insanely competitive sports, you learn where all the edges are to be had.
00:25:49.000You learn where all the edges are to be had as far as technique, as far as conditioning, as far as all the different things you have to do in order to be successful and to win.
00:25:57.000And everyone knows that in most sports, especially in a physical sport like football, there's a fucking lot of work involved.
00:26:03.000There's not a single person who jumps off the bench and You have to learn how to move.
00:26:13.000You have to learn all of the different plays.
00:26:16.000You have to learn technique involved in different aspects of the sport.
00:26:20.000And I think coming from a competitive background in athletics, you've kind of translated that understanding of where all the problems are In archery, because there's a lot of people that don't have good coaching, and so they start off with a lot of really bad habits.
00:26:37.000And then they have to figure out a way to either break those habits, or they live with those habits, and then they do the best they can.
00:27:03.000And I would have to go, oh Jesus, I've got to figure out a way to break this guy of this thing because as soon as he gets tired or as soon as he panics, the knee goes down, the foot goes up, he loses all the power, the hips don't engage.
00:27:15.000But if I could take a kid, like a five-year-old kid, and show them that from the beginning, their instinct would be to throw it correctly.
00:27:42.000Well, you look at the whole Asian culture, and I've said time and time again, I've coached all over the world, and that's kind of what I do now.
00:27:53.000I do a lot of coaching that most people don't even know about with teams that just would rather have confidentiality in whether or not they're working with an outside source, which is great.
00:28:06.000But when I... Probably the best place I ever taught was when I went to India.
00:28:18.000Once I got there, there was about 140. It was unbelievable.
00:28:23.000Anyone they thought could be a potential winner for their team was there.
00:28:27.000There were so many kids and adults that were there.
00:28:32.000I remember I took several members of the team that had a bad habit of You know, punching the trigger and anticipating the shot, which is a big negative in archery.
00:28:42.000And I gave them a device, same one I gave you.
00:28:45.000I gave them a release that forces them to not think about actually aiming the front sight of the bow.
00:28:53.000It's a device that makes them focus on the movement.
00:28:58.000Of archery, pulling through the bow, letting the front arm go forward, the back arm to come back.
00:29:04.000And I remember I gave them string and that release.
00:29:07.000I took all their bows away and locked them up because I said, until you can do this, we're not going any further.
00:29:13.000So I took those eight and I had them do that to the side.
00:29:17.000And then I came over and I started trying to work on all these other people.
00:29:42.000Well, once the whole big crowd left, those same eight kids were still over there with strings on Pulling on that release and almost every one of them were damn near bloody in their hand from just executing.
00:29:58.000And I came over, I'm like, oh my goodness, have you guys been here the whole day?
00:30:04.000There's like, there's, there, that culture, there's, it's just no wonder to me why like martial arts is such a discipline, because that culture teaches discipline and hard work within that art.
00:30:22.000Better than anything and I think that archery coming out of you know out of Asia I think all the like the Korean team are so strong because of their disciplines and I'm sure with the martial arts it's the exact same thing they're not afraid to take what the coach says and just do it until the coach says no and a lot of people here in any sport are looking for the shortcut.
00:30:52.000People at the gym, they want Five-hour body.
00:30:56.000Yeah, they want the shake that, you know, melts fat.
00:30:59.000They want to be able to go in and get the machine that, you know, does four-minute abs or whatever.
00:31:05.000And the reality is you have to have commitment and you have to have discipline in anything in life.
00:31:12.000Otherwise, if you don't, you're just going to be another person bitching about why someone else has something you don't because you're not willing to put the effort in for it.
00:31:22.000Yeah, and then on the other hand, it's not a good idea to cut your hands with a rope.
00:31:31.000Don't be afraid to raise your hand and say, Coach, can we take a break here?
00:31:34.000And then I should point out to a lot of people that there's a lot of people that don't want to get involved in anything like archery that aren't interested in it because they feel like they don't want to hunt.
00:32:29.000By the way, when Joe does his commercials, which actually it's the only thing on TV I don't fast forward through the commercials because I love how you do them.
00:32:38.000But when he talks about the butter coffee, take his advice on it.
00:33:16.000He's so, I mean, kind of his nickname is inspirational archer, and he's definitely just that.
00:33:22.000For someone to be able to shoot with their legs is amazing.
00:33:28.000And actually, Matt, we haven't talked about this, but Matt and another para-archer here from the U.S. named Jeff Fabry, that Shoots with his mouth.
00:33:37.000He was in a motorcycle accident, and now he's a para-archer.
00:33:41.000Yeah, there's Matt Stutzman right there.
00:33:42.000And so how does Matt, he holds the bow with his right foot, and then his left foot's on the ground, and how does he release the bow?
00:33:54.000Jeff Fabry's next, I think, too, on to the right.
00:33:58.000So he's developed a release to where he's actually able to push on it with his chin, and he actually activates from back tension now.
00:34:05.000They've designed a release for him where he can hook on and he slowly starts to continue to move back until it triggers the string to fire.
00:34:14.000And as he moves back he's still looking through his peep sight?
00:34:29.000So yeah, when I did last year when I had to have my shoulder redone, I did not want to miss archery season and just really took it as a personal challenge to not put my head down.
00:34:47.000It was actually my bow arm was the one I had worked on, so I had to learn to shoot with my mouth using my opposite arm and my non-dominant eye, which was...
00:35:28.000You know, I think someone said it, I forget who it was, that one of the best ways to get good at something is to do it with your opposite hand.
00:35:38.000And that not just doing it, like say if you're boxing and you're working on your straight right hand, a lot of times when you do your straight left hand, It actually improves your straight right hand.
00:35:51.000Because in learning how to do it in an awkward way, what you're doing is sort of programming into your mind the critical aspects of the technique.
00:35:59.000How to throw the hips in, when to plant.
00:36:03.000And then when you go over to your more coordinated side, it's just like super tuned in to the critical aspects of the movement.
00:36:11.000So then when you throw a left hand, then you switch over to your right side and you're like, It's even better.
00:36:18.000And I think that that probably makes sense with archery as well.
00:36:22.000I bet a lot of people would probably benefit, although it's not a traditional thing to do, probably benefit from having both a left-handed bow and a right-handed bow and learning how to shoot left-handed.
00:36:30.000Well, look at how many skateboarders get better when they learn to skate goofy.
00:36:34.000You know, if they learn to skate with the opposite foot.
00:36:37.000Back when I was a skater, you know, You either skated straight foot or you skated goofy.
00:36:44.000But then people didn't really switch back and forth a lot at that time, like the freestyle skaters did back then.
00:36:52.000But then when I got away from skating and started playing football for a while and then archery, and then all of a sudden, you know...
00:37:20.000You know, what's funny is sometimes I've seen you say, you know, hey, I'm talking about hunting today, but some of you listeners might get pissed, but whatever, because some people just want UFC or some people don't like to hear the hunting.
00:37:34.000What's important is that people need to take some of these elements and apply them to their life.
00:37:38.000And what I really believe is when I get better as an athlete is when I recognize whatever my biggest weakness is and that's what I focus on making my strength.
00:37:50.000I work on this with a lot of my students.
00:37:52.000I'll literally take the one thing that they do the worst and that's all I want them to do.
00:37:58.000For almost a month, because a lot of psychology has shown that if you have a negative habit, it normally takes about 21 days to recreate a positive habit, right?
00:38:12.000So you have to be able to take your weakness and mentally be tough enough as an athlete to be willing to make that your strength.
00:38:21.000And I've had several things in my career that were my weakness that are now my strongest aspect.
00:38:30.000Field archery was my biggest weakness.
00:38:38.000You know, once you start changing angles, and once you start having to make shots in canyons, you have to learn wind, you have to learn trajectory, you have to learn cuts.
00:38:47.000So field archery is, you have like a course that you have to run, and it's all outdoors in the woods.
00:38:55.000It would be, you know, the really difficult field courses are like throughout like cliffs and mountainous areas to where, you know, you have shots where they're straight up way over your shoulder where you're aiming on, you know, 50 degree angles and then you're aiming down or somewhere I've even had to aim straight down between my legs.
00:39:16.000Those types of things are extremely technical.
00:39:19.000If you had golfers that had to play in really difficult terrain, obviously they have to start learning draws and fades and they have to start learning clubs that play differently in the wind.
00:40:17.000Even as a spectator, I'm not a fight specialist by any means, but I've always loved watching the UFC. And it's funny how the people who won the early UFC versus how rounded you have to be now to win...
00:40:42.000And you also, much like we were talking about before in the UFC, you have to be able to pretty much execute from both sides.
00:40:48.000It's very rare that someone only has a good right kick.
00:40:51.000You have to learn how to kick with the left side too.
00:40:53.000But in jiu-jitsu, that exists as well.
00:40:55.000There's a lot of guys that have a strong side.
00:40:57.000They only like to pass to the left or they only like to pass to the right.
00:41:01.000They only submit guys off their right arm.
00:41:03.000It's real common to have a side where you're really good at it.
00:41:07.000One thing you said the other day when we were sitting there talking, you were talking about setting up moves for jiu-jitsu and how evolving it is, how it continually evolves.
00:41:18.000And all of a sudden, a new move will get invented.
00:41:21.000And you'll be practicing that, and then someone just notices, like, wait, there's a big weakness right there.
00:41:46.000And the body can move in so many different ways.
00:41:48.000It's one of the more interesting aspects of jiu-jitsu is there are so many different ways the body can move.
00:41:53.000So when two people are engaging each other, the possibilities of attacks and counterattacks are near infinite.
00:42:00.000It's a spectacular example of an extreme discipline and something that It becomes, for a lot of people, it becomes a massive, massive obsession.
00:42:13.000Did you see the Anthony Bourdain thing that he won a jiu-jitsu tournament?
00:44:38.000Weird crazy moving meditation that I feel like when it goes well like yesterday when we shot really well and We shot tight groups at 80 yards.
00:44:50.000After it's over, physically, you feel better.
00:45:36.000When you put them in categories, when you categorize things as this is a sport or this is a hobby, it almost trivializes the benefits, the positive benefits of it.
00:45:46.000It's funny that you say that because now I know I could never pull you away.
00:45:51.000Because I love, as an athlete, to step away with perfection.
00:45:59.000And you would shoot a group that was perfect, and I knew that we were close to being done for the day, and I'd be like, alright, let's end on that.
00:46:08.000And you're like, no way, dude, I'm doing another one.
00:46:11.000But then if you make one negative shot in that group, you were pissed again, which I can understand too, because I'm so competitive that way.
00:47:17.000So for people that are listening to this, they don't understand.
00:47:19.000But because there's so many different aspects of archery, there's where you're standing, what your posture is, how you're focusing, what you're looking at, what you're concentrating on.
00:47:31.000Because of that, there's There's a tendency to anticipate the shot and it becomes sort of overwhelming because you're managing all these different things.
00:47:41.000So what a lot of people try to concentrate now in the world of archery is getting what you call a surprise shot, meaning that this is just for the people at home, obviously not for you.
00:47:51.000Meaning that when you pull back, the thing that you're concentrating on is just focusing on the target.
00:47:59.000All of your technique as far as keeping the bow balanced and level and keeping it on top, all that stuff is something you've already worked on.
00:48:08.000All you're working on now is pulling through the shot.
00:48:10.000So you don't think about executing the shot like, ready, go!
00:48:14.000And when you think of that ready, go, that pressing that button...
00:48:17.000You have a tendency or a possibility of punching it, of hitting it wrong, of tweaking and twisting.
00:48:23.000And we talked about that today because in a lot of ways it's like a fight in that when a fighter trains for a fight, you're training for something that is going to be a moment that's like months away from now.
00:48:37.000So all of this work and effort then comes to fruition in this one moment.
00:48:45.000Holy shit, here it is, it's happening.
00:48:47.000But at least in a fight, you've got a few rounds.
00:48:52.000You can kind of settle in after the first minute so you can relax and get into the groove of everything.
00:48:57.000In archery, oftentimes, all that training and preparation, whether it's for a tournament or even more critically, if you're hunting, it comes down to that one moment.
00:49:08.000And that moment sometimes can be completely overwhelming because that moment, although your practice has been constant and diligent, that moment is entirely alien.
00:49:19.000This moment didn't exist during any of the practice.
00:49:23.000There was never the elevated heart rate.
00:50:52.000Closest to center decides a gold medal match.
00:50:56.000You literally let go and you're, you know, you're sitting there, you know, shitting pickles, your heart rate's beating out your neck, you know, you're trying not to, I actually had this, I've had this feeling go both ways, but you let that arrow go and you have so much adrenaline that you can barely manage it.
00:51:18.000And then you shoot and you see the shadow of that arrow hit out of the gold to where you know you lost.
00:52:28.000And then you see that arrow go into the gold.
00:52:33.000And it's just like, it's such a reward.
00:52:36.000Like for me, that's what, you know, I think for you and your mentality and me and mine, You get so much reward for that that, for me, I never really worried about a trophy or a medal.
00:52:48.000Or, you know, for that matter, the checks never really mattered either.
00:53:04.000But what imprints I have in my mind of moments...
00:53:09.000That's what pulls me through as a person, and it's a positive aura that I can reflect on.
00:53:17.000I know that what's satisfying to me, and I feel so content with life, is these small little goals and accomplishments that I've had where I've controlled myself, not the situation.
00:53:31.000I was in a gold medal match in Poland, and They had the gold medal match in the square of the main town.
00:53:41.000You were shooting from the beach into the main square of the town.
00:54:15.000So everyone's evidently was shuffling to try to get to see the archer.
00:54:20.000Not realizing, like, okay, there's an arrow going over your head.
00:54:24.000So I'm going from, like, mentally having a sight picture that I'm not nervous about to all of a sudden thinking, if I shoot someone in the face, I don't want to spend the rest of my life in a Polish prison.
00:54:37.000Didn't you have someone like cleaning the line, getting the people to back up?
00:54:40.000No, it was just like, I don't think they really thought that people were going to come in.
00:54:44.000And I remember I drew back and I was so, I mean, you've seen me shoot in my element.
00:56:19.000I've been at places where I'm practicing and you're shooting and then someone else is at this club and you go down to pull your arrow and then all of a sudden you're sitting there pulling arrows and you're like, yo, what's up?
00:59:10.000And obviously it's something that is a reward of hard work and dedication that I've put in through the year.
00:59:18.000One saying that I made on my TV show during the first few seasons is...
00:59:25.000I'm in target archer to become a better hunter, and I'm a better hunter because I'm a target archer.
00:59:30.000I got into professional archery 100% because I wanted to be more proficient and ethical knowing that I was a bow hunter.
00:59:43.000And I kind of had the, it was actually the same type of feeling.
00:59:46.000I was, I was only 10, but it, or I mean, when I started competing, I started hunting when I was 10. So there was like six or seven years there where I wasn't competing.
00:59:57.000But I remember having one hunt where I felt so much anxiety and I like blew a shot and I just completely missed and I couldn't explain why.
01:00:07.000And it was at that moment that I'm like, you know what, if I'm going to do this, I need to be able to be.
01:00:15.000So at that point, I was kind of looking for a way to become better.
01:00:21.000And I was actually, it was right before I was supposed to leave for my first football camps for college, I was driving down a road and there was a sign on the road that said, 3D archery shoot.
01:00:35.000And it was just an arrow pointing down.
01:01:44.000As a competitor, I think the standout athletes in any sport are the ones that take those moments very personal.
01:01:54.000And change a direction to make it their best.
01:01:59.000Or either realize I'm either going to be good at this or I need to find something else to be good at, you know, to focus all your energy to.
01:03:00.000so he takes me in the back room and he says you got to build these guys arrows for me because i forgot to do them and i said i don't know how to build arrows and he goes okay you take this feather you put in this clamp put glue right down this feather like this put the arrow in this jig you push down on it then you turn the wheel go to the next arrow after you get to the end Take the clamp off,
01:03:43.000About an hour later, I came out with this guy's arrows that he probably paid $100 for and some snot-nosed kid that had never even built them built them for the guy.
01:04:31.000Both my parents have been so supportive on everything in life, but that was the one time where he looked me in the face and just said, this is a really stupid decision.
01:04:44.000I just think it's a great story because it shows that if someone's willing to commit to a dream, then...
01:04:54.000As long as you're able to put in the work and stay focused on it, There's so many people that make businesses out of dreams or careers out of sports that you would never even consider.
01:06:57.000Great country to live in, too, here in the States, because you can take something that no one really might not believe in but yourself, and if you apply the work to it, you can make it happen.
01:07:07.000And in traveling through all the different parts of the world that I've traveled, I've gone to places where you just, you know, you really wish you could give some of those people a chance, because you can tell that they have such heart and such desire,
01:07:46.000You know, I think a lot of times for some people, when they're young, it's not enforced early on that when you work hard at something, it's really rewarding when it's over.
01:07:57.000And it's difficult to work hard at something.
01:07:59.000It's difficult to get your ass out of bed.
01:08:00.000It's difficult to force yourself to get up off the couch.
01:08:08.000And even if you do something and it doesn't work out well, like even if you're practicing archery and the shots don't go well, you're involved in the discipline and it's giving you something to concentrate on.
01:08:18.000And that energy and momentum will translate to the rest of your life.
01:08:22.000If you're working to improve at something, whether it's archery or...
01:08:27.000When you're working to improve on it, I firmly believe that that motivation and that momentum of improvement applies to the rest of your life.
01:08:37.000And it's one of the things that people love about any particular discipline is the aspects of it and the qualities of it that sort of transfer onto your everyday life.
01:08:48.000You know, it's weird because until you and I communicated some on the phone, when I worked for an archery company and I was just a sales guy making calls, I never got to see faces.
01:09:01.000So voices for me are always triggers because for 10 years I was just making calls.
01:09:07.000When you and I first talked on the phone and I heard your voice directly from my device, I actually realized, I haven't even told you this, but when I work out or when I shoot,
01:09:23.000and a lot of times when I'm just working in my building, I've comprised Like, about five hours of an MP3 that's nothing but motivational sayings that I've heard someone say.
01:11:38.000Well, I think a lot of people need a life coach.
01:11:42.000I think this is one of the conclusions that I'm coming to in life.
01:11:47.000Is that people need to either find a way to motivate themselves through all the different stuff that's available online.
01:11:55.000There's a million different websites and Instagram pages and lots of YouTube videos that show some motivation and they can help you.
01:12:02.000But human beings learn from each other and I think most of the cultures in the past Not trying to glorify the past and say they had it nailed and we don't but most of them were in tighter knit groups and they Emulated the behavior and the patterns of the successful members of that group the leaders of that tribe that's where Traditions came from.
01:12:26.000That's where skills were passed on and that's where ethics and that's where certain philosophies were passed down from generation to generation.
01:12:35.000These were the most beneficial to the community as a whole, to the individual, to the culture, whatever it is.
01:12:43.000This world that we're living in today, we're almost in a lot of ways Like you were saying, people with so much opportunity but too lazy.
01:12:54.000We're almost, in a lot of ways, just lacking in a pattern, a correct pattern, and a coach or a mentor or a person who is...
01:13:08.000Like, ahead of you as far as, like, maybe been alive longer, or maybe had more experiences, but very honest about the difference between you and them.
01:13:16.000Because a lot of people think that you see something, like, we were talking about today, this is a ridiculous...
01:13:24.000When I was on MTV, we were talking about Downtown Julie Brown.
01:13:28.000Yeah, because I was singing on the line.
01:13:30.000And I remember thinking, while you were saying that, you go Downtown Julie Brown was probably on MTV back when you were on MTV. And I was like, yeah, but I was a peon.
01:13:43.000One of, you know, X amount of comedians on the MTV Half Hour Comedy Hour.
01:13:47.000Like, I probably couldn't even talk to her, say hi to her.
01:13:50.000And then I remember thinking, like, I put myself in that state of mind that I had back when I was 23 or whatever I was when I was on that show, and I felt, like, insignificant.
01:14:31.000I think a lot of other people think that way now.
01:14:34.000And whether it's someone who's an aspiring archer that looks at your accomplishments and then looks at you back when you were this stalker kid hanging around a bow shop in comparison to how they are.
01:14:44.000And I think that's a big help to people, to hear a story like that.
01:14:50.000And to know that now you travel all over the world and you coach international teams and To see someone admit that I think is very important.
01:15:00.000To see someone discuss that I think is very important to a lot of us because most people don't have fucking mentors.
01:15:08.000And most people aren't even involved in a discipline that tests them in that manner.
01:15:13.000A lot of people are involved in education, right?
01:15:19.000But how much of that, what you're doing, has the aspects of the obsession with a discipline like archery or like jujitsu or something along those lines?
01:15:29.000You're not getting the same intensity and focus.
01:15:34.000You're doing it because you have to, because you've got to get a degree, because you've got to get a job, because you don't want to be a loser.
01:15:39.000And so you're pursuing these things with a lack of passion.
01:15:42.000And then you enter into the workforce.
01:15:48.000Most of the time people are doing what they think is a good job that they can get by with.
01:15:51.000And so they're committed to this path of not being excited, not being obsessed, and then not challenging themselves, and not rising above, and not gathering up some of the possible lessons that you can.
01:16:31.000If people don't have things like that, if they just work and then they go home and they watch TV and they go home and they watch TV, you're not fucking living life at level 10. You're not going to hit it.
01:16:44.000And I'm not saying you're going to be at level 10 every day, but there's going to be some moments, like when you were talking about being on the line, two archers, this is for one shot for the gold medal, and you're like, ah!
01:16:57.000That feeling, those feelings are integral to being a human being.
01:17:04.000The feelings of being challenged and of learning what you're capable of and what you're not capable of through those challenges.
01:17:13.000You have to be able, when you've made that decision, the next thing that you should come to terms with is say, you know what, I'm going to push myself further than I've ever pushed myself.
01:17:25.000And I know dang good and well there's going to be a block.
01:18:06.000You need to also think, you know what, there's going to be, I'm going to have a voice in my head that's going to tell me this is too hard and I'm going to have a point of resistance.
01:18:15.000But I'm telling myself right now when I get that, That's my opportunity to go further than I've ever had in the past.
01:18:22.000I know right now that when I get to that, I am pushing through it.
01:18:28.000If you're only focused on one particular goal and not seeing the obvious distractions or things that you know are going to be in that path and mentally build Build up yourself to know when I get to that resistance,
01:20:34.000Well, it's critical that moment that happens in any competition where you're worried about the event, you're worried about the outcome, and that worry can overwhelm your abilities.
01:22:42.000Like, if you want to learn bad television, like, say, if you're a person out there that's aspiring to do a TV show, there's some hunting shows out there that look like they were made by blind people that were drunk.
01:22:55.000And the animals, like, especially the archery shows, they fucking miss more than they hit them.
01:23:04.000If someone wanted to make an argument against the ethical use of archery for hunting, all they need to do is watch some of those fucking shows.
01:23:14.000But I think it's a difficult thing to do, and some people kind of half-ass it.
01:23:20.000And some of those people that do half-ass it, they're on television.
01:23:23.000Well, and that brings up a really good point, because I know a lot of people that probably are listening that Either know myself or know that you're a hunting advocate and a conservationist like myself.
01:23:35.000We owe it to ourselves as a hunting community to realize that there's a big opposition pushing back.
01:23:45.000And we have a responsibility to represent ourselves ethically and also appreciate other people's feelings and appreciate that there are people that might not like it.
01:24:00.000And you really have an opportunity to either Do something that's going to really piss them off, or if you're going to maybe do something to where it'll at least let them keep an open mind.
01:24:12.000Well, the best way to do that, I think, is have conversations about it.
01:24:16.000I mean, I can't tell you how many Facebook messages and Twitter messages I've gotten from people that have told me that they had a particular view, a negative view about hunting.
01:24:24.000Until they listen to, like, maybe a podcast with Steve Rinella or Cameron Haynes or Jim Shockey.
01:24:29.000And they realize, like, oh, this is not what I think it is.
01:24:33.000Not only is it not what I think it is, you must do something to control these animal populations.
01:24:40.000And the one thing, I've said this before, but I'm going to say it again.
01:24:42.000To anybody that thinks there's no reason to ever kill wild animals, I have two words for you.
01:26:38.000I think an archery school would be the way to go, honestly.
01:26:42.000I really think that there are a lot of different martial arts schools, and I've been involved in a bunch of them, and I think that teaching martial arts is gigantic, but one of the things that's a problem with archery, and most particularly with bow hunting, is the learning curve is extremely steep,
01:26:57.000and it's not obvious at all as to where to start.
01:27:00.000The learning curve to start archery is just go to an archery store.
01:27:43.000But I would have to most certainly have people that were there that were really good that could teach classes and teach people how to do it.
01:27:52.000You know, like, you were showing me the video of your son hunting alligators.
01:28:00.000Your kid is perfect form, like a world champion archer.
01:28:04.000The way he's got his posture, the way he released.
01:28:08.000And when we were watching that, I was thinking, well, here's a kid that's learned from the beginning how to do it correctly.
01:28:16.000So when you look at him as opposed to...
01:28:19.000That picture that you sent me of the archer that's on television that has an arrow that he's pulling back, his string is deep tucked into his face, where for sure when you're pulling your string back and it's digging into your face, the pressure of your face on that string is going to change the path of the arrow.
01:28:36.000You're never supposed to dig it into your face like this guy has it.
01:28:39.000Then you look down, his arrow is not even attached to the string.
01:28:43.000It's like hanging off and he doesn't even know it.
01:28:47.000And this guy's on television, and that fucking picture was used for an ad.
01:28:51.000The picture was on an ad, which means they took the picture, somebody looked at it, and they were so careless that they went, yep, good enough!
01:29:15.000So in that picture, with that video with the alligator, he was 10. When you see that, as opposed to someone who's been doing it wrong their whole life, you realize the importance of original technique, like having it, like your original lessons, the first lessons you get,
01:29:47.000The Outdoor Channel and the Sportsman's Channel are both owned by the same people.
01:29:50.000And then, you know, the YouTube site, Knock On Archery, there's a lot of...
01:29:54.000If you go through there, and if you're not a hunter, then move past that, because there's a lot of how-to stuff, and that's the direction that I'm really going to be going.
01:30:21.000The show is geared around and it took a long time for me to convince the network for me to dedicate, you know, right now I have three segments that are how to be better with your form in the dead center segment.
01:30:34.000Then the field recon segment is how to be better in the field as a hunter, you know, some type of a technique.
01:30:40.000And then I have the third segment called Knocked and Ready to Rock, which last year was literally how to buy a bow and completely set up the bow to start to finish throughout the whole episode.
01:30:59.000And then this year, the Knocked and Ready to Rock segment is all about learning to build your own arrows.
01:31:04.000But as I move forward through the seasons and through the You know, through the YouTube channel.
01:31:10.000I'm going to continue to try to work on building all these fundamentals to become a good shooter.
01:31:15.000And Harry and my wife, they both started out with no experience at all.
01:31:22.000And it's funny how if you show the basic fundamentals and you're taught right from the very beginning how easy you can get to perfect form.
01:33:24.000I think a lot of it is a style of thinking or a way of thinking.
01:33:27.000You know, right now, like, my dad's a psychologist, and it's amazing to me how many people will, you know, I've got friends that'll, like, go to the shrink for a 30-minute session, and then they're like, oh, yeah, I got some Adderall, dude.
01:35:06.000If I'm tuned into you, then, you know, a lot of times, like, you know, I'll be focused on something and my wife like has to snap at me like a dog.
01:35:16.000See, but that to me is not attention deficit disorder.
01:36:25.000She just has her own style of engaging with people.
01:36:29.000And they both also have their own very distinct likes and dislikes as far as the kind of TV shows they like, or the kind of toys they like, or the kind of art that they do.
01:36:40.000And I just think that that same variety applies to things that people are interested in and not interested in in life.
01:36:49.000And we take these fucking kids, man, and this is a big part of the problem with education.
01:36:55.000There's a lot of different jobs out there.
01:36:58.000And the path for a guy who wants to be a professional archer versus the path for a guy who wants to be an audio engineer, these are very different paths and they involve very different amounts of data, different kinds of data, different stimuli.
01:37:11.000And we take people, and especially when they're young, We make them pay attention to shit they don't give a fuck about.
01:37:44.000But you might talk to me about pirates and all of a sudden, for whatever reason, that spark gets lit and now I'm interested.
01:37:50.000And now I'm obsessed with pirates and I want to read books about pirates and I want to talk about pirates.
01:37:54.000There's all sorts of different things that people get excited about and interested in.
01:37:59.000But the problem, I think, or one of the problems with formalized education and our For some strange reason, our need to diagnose certain styles of thinking and certain styles of approaching life as problematic, as ADD,
01:38:50.000So I told him, you know, if you're going to get some time on that bench...
01:38:55.000And that's how I felt when I was in school.
01:38:57.000I felt a lot of that in school, and I think that's a lot of what's going on.
01:39:01.000We're all interested in different shit.
01:39:04.000And formalized education in a lot of circles and a lot of schools is just too limited for some of the kids in class.
01:39:10.000I remember Harry, his first football team, I'm thinking he was like 9 or 10, and one of the kids shows up with like a big can of Monster, and he's like drinking it.
01:41:36.000I coached that with teams, actually, because when I competed, the one thing that I think was, that I found really, really helpful is to be able to travel and keep yourself in your same daily routine with your rest and your diet and,
01:41:53.000more importantly, your garbage intake.
01:41:55.000Because people will go to a tournament and then they'll, like, pop in and they'll grab, like, you know, A power bar.
01:42:04.000You know, like the chocolate-covered power bar, and then they go to a tournament and they're like having a snack, and then all of a sudden like two target sailors are like, I don't know what's up.
01:42:12.000I'm kind of like bouncing all over the place.
01:42:14.000I'm thinking, you just had 40 grams of sugar.
01:43:37.000But that's most people the way they eat all the time.
01:43:40.000They just get used to that terrible feeling.
01:43:42.000When I give seminars, a lot of times you have a lunch break, and I pay attention to the people...
01:43:50.000When they hit the lunch break, I pay attention to what some people are eating.
01:43:55.000Because you can tell a lot by a person by what they're throwing.
01:43:57.000If you've got an option of something good or something crap, there's some people that just go right for the crap.
01:44:05.000Then there's some people that go for the good stuff.
01:44:07.000As soon as your session starts back up, and I'm sure you've done this where you give speeches or seminars, after meals, there's always four people that are out.
01:44:21.000Because they ate a bunch of garbage, and they had this huge insulin dump.
01:44:27.000And you know they've their bodies like trying to fight off all that and then they crash and a lot of times I'll like wake people up and I'll say okay I was waiting for that to happen because now is what I want to talk about the importance of nutrition during performance because the reason several people in here can't stay awake right now is because of what they did during their lunch break a lot of A lot of events,
01:44:55.000sports-related events that are like all-day events, they have breaks.
01:45:02.000I never wanted to be hungry at the break.
01:45:05.000I tried to continually pick and hydrate throughout the whole event, just like I do at home during the day, so that I wasn't starving.
01:45:15.000You see competitors that are leading the pack and they run to the frickin' concession stand And they want to like pound two or three burgers because they know that they're not going to get to eat till five o'clock.
01:45:25.000And then all of a sudden their scores just start to peter out and they start making mistakes.
01:45:31.000And then all of a sudden, towards the end, they come back again.
01:45:34.000And they're saying like, I just had that freaking several ends.
01:45:42.000Well, at the time, I wasn't telling all my competitors, but I'm like, I saw that coming.
01:45:46.000Well, until you try to live clean, until you try to eat clean, and you don't eat cheeseburgers and shakes, you don't understand how much of an impact it really has.
01:45:56.000Because I think people associate how they feel with just normalcy.
01:46:00.000They think that, well, this is just what happens.
01:46:02.000At the end of the day, I get tired, man.
01:46:04.000When I started drawing this primal diet, the Marxism diet, and I brought my body into a state of ketosis, it was the first time ever that in between meals I didn't have that crash, where I didn't feel terrible, where I could go six, seven hours and not feel bad at all.
01:46:22.000Because your body, when it hits that state, is starting to burn off the fat.
01:46:26.000And so your body has a supply of fat, so it just starts converting the fat in your body to energy.
01:46:33.000And it's amazing that so few people eat and live like this.
01:46:37.000Yeah, that was really interesting because the one thing I asked you was I said, what's really the difference between that and the Atkins, right?
01:46:47.000And that was, to me, it made sense then, you know, where the Atkins, there's a lot more focus on the protein.
01:46:54.000You know, I get people that are uneducated on eating clean.
01:46:57.000You know, we look at what you and I just ate for lunch.
01:47:00.000I mean, we like knocked back an avocado like nothing.
01:47:03.000Some people are afraid of an avocado because they say it's fattening.
01:47:06.000I mean, talk about not knowing what's up.
01:47:09.000Yeah, they don't understand dietary fats and the importance of certain amounts of healthy fats, of getting the amount of oils and fats that your body needs, healthy oils, super important.
01:47:23.000And avocado oil and avocados in general, one of the most healthy fats you can consume.
01:47:31.000Getting the right amount of nutrients in your body has just such a massive effect on how the whole goddamn thing works and Again, I go back to the the mentor thing and the life coach thing because until you Have talked to someone that you trust that's that's done it and is there you know until you know some guy who's a competitive You know marathon or something like that and he says listen If you do this,
01:48:00.000You've got to trust me and try to clean up your diet.
01:48:03.000If most people just cut out one thing at a time, they would see a big difference.
01:48:09.000I actually have a thing that I call halving.
01:48:13.000I've got a ton of success stories of hunters that were motivated by posts that I made with like food or you know they just see a post that I do and they're like I really I'm just tired of where I'm at as you know Billy Bob the bow hunter or you know I'm tired of where I'm at archery I've never I've been in it 10 years and I've never made progress what do I need to do you know I'll get some photos of them and a lot of times I notice that they're out of shape and I'm like listen If you're shooting on a line and you look down and
01:48:43.000you can't see your feet, because you know a big part of my shot routine is the first step is really your feet, your stance.
01:48:58.000It's like, okay, we need to address another problem as well.
01:49:01.000You know, you might not want to hear this, but we need to address this problem.
01:49:05.000And for me, when I started down that path, because I had about three years of my life where I, you know, it's funny how when it comes to like the path of an arrow or the path of life, all it takes is the smallest movement to get you going a certain direction.
01:49:21.000And then all of a sudden, before you know it, you're like so far off the course and you're like, how the hell did I get here?
01:49:28.000And I had a point in my career where I was that way.
01:49:30.000I was like, you know, I was like, I remember I had to, I put on like a pair of 38 underwear and I was like, what the hell?
01:49:39.000You know, I used to wear like 30, 38 pants.
01:49:42.000Now I'm in a 38 freaking, and then I look at my legs because, you know, and I've got a pretty good story about Big Bird, but I always like, I've got Big Bird legs, you know, and I'm thinking...
01:49:55.000As long as that frickin' leg, that's how big around I am?
01:49:59.000So what I started doing was just halving.
01:50:01.000And every time I ordered my normal meal at a restaurant, if it comes out and there's a burger, I took half the bun and then half the fries, I frickin' slid them off, and I gave them to the lady and said, can you take that?
01:50:15.000And I would literally eat half the carbs that was on my plate.
01:50:19.000I just halved everything as soon as it came out.
01:50:22.000So I was in my normal routine in life.
01:50:25.000If Sharon and I went to Applebee's or whatever, and I ordered my normal little meal, if it was a carb or junk, whatever they gave me as a portion, I halved it.
01:50:36.000And I mean, just that and then getting rid of, like, soda.
01:50:42.000And all of a sudden, it was just like, zoom.
01:50:44.000In a matter of months, you've just completely changed your directional path.
01:50:50.000And cut down the amount of calories substantially.
01:50:52.000And once you get to that point, you're motivated by what you're seeing.
01:51:16.000However, certain carbs are, I think, really critical for times where, you know, there's times where I'm needing to write or I'm needing to speak, and I kind of just feel fuzzy in the head.
01:51:27.000And for me, sometimes I think it's like your cognitive is like craving some brain food.
01:51:45.000It's not junk, not stimulants, just healthy foods.
01:51:51.000One of the ways that I got to know Cameron Haynes is because in being on a few hunts and going into the mountains and Experiencing what it's like just a hike at high altitude.
01:52:03.000I just really underestimated the amount of stress that it takes on your body, how difficult it is to do.
01:52:10.000And so then I started researching fitness and hunting.
01:52:15.000I'm like, there's got to be someone out there that's really into it.
01:52:17.000And then I found Cam, who's just a fitness fucking nut.
01:52:21.000Does ultramarathons and all that jazz.
01:52:23.000And that's how Cam and I became friends, is by...
01:52:25.000Looking at his sort of style of getting ready for the mountains, like pretty much all of what he does, whether it's weight training, whether it's just running, running mountains.
01:52:35.000It's preparing him to be a better hunter.
01:52:38.000And I don't think many people that view hunting consider that.
01:52:42.000They think of hunting as being a fat guy who's drinking beer waiting for a deer to pass by so he could shoot it in the dick.
01:54:46.000Dude, we were in your yard and your wife comes out and there's like two coyotes in the yard scoping out your chicken house.
01:54:53.000And then when she took the kids to school, she ends up telling us, yeah, there's a coyote running down the road with a freaking rooster hanging out of its mouth.
01:55:12.000Frank Zane, he was a three-time Mr. Olympia.
01:55:15.000Frank used to do, he still does, he still does, but Frank and Arnold used to do archery as kind of an R&R, you know, from their bodybuilding.
01:55:25.000That was kind of their zen, their stress relief was shooting.
01:55:29.000And when I went to the Arnold and competed, Frank and Arnold ended up coming in to have like a We're good to go.
01:55:59.000Are there any really good archers coming that can coach?
01:56:02.000So she asked around and ended up connecting Frank to me.
01:56:07.000So when Frank and I talked, I was like a big fan of him because I was a fitness guy for my stress relief.
01:56:14.000And he wanted coaching because he goes, when Arnold and I shoot together, I don't want him to think that I've practiced, but I want to freaking beat him.
01:56:22.000So I actually worked with him a little bit, and he did end up shooting.
01:56:28.000And then Frank and I became friends, and he's an animal.
01:56:34.000He's down from South of San Francisco, I think.
01:56:38.000And he never really talked negative about me when he knew that I was a hunter and stuff, but I could tell it wasn't necessarily something that he favored.
01:57:13.000And he never said anything negative, but I remember we were three miles from my house and a frickin' deer comes across the road and we're like in my little Hyundai accent and I frickin' smoke this thing.
01:57:26.000And he's like, he's just like, holy shit!
01:57:29.000Like, he's like, you know, he's never seen like a freaking animal smash the car.
01:57:34.000And he's just like, that was a freaking deer.
01:58:09.000Well, we talked about Michigan on the podcast before that in last year or every year, 50,000 car accidents involving deer a year just in Michigan alone.
01:58:19.000And so people that think, well, there's no other way to take care of that.
01:58:23.000This is what people have to understand.
02:02:29.000So we kind of all spin around, and we're sitting there, and next thing you know, here comes two dogs on a Full-blown, I'm talking like full-blown like this, like freaking coming.
02:06:34.000I literally drew back and I anchored and I came into my peep.
02:06:40.000Which means, for people who don't know, there's like a little circle that you look at through the string where you're lining up with the sight.
02:07:08.000I mean, they had to have known that you killed the elk, and they had to have known that you killed those other two wolves that chased you, that went after you guys to try to get the elk.
02:07:15.000I think he came in to think, okay, you called a fight, we responded...
02:07:25.000Now he's like sizing up, okay, I've lost.
02:07:48.000I mean, I have, you and I both have friends that are, grizzlies, cats, I mean, cats are notorious for stalking hunters too, because I mean, they are the ultimate hunter.
02:08:00.000But grizzlies and wolves, I mean, you have to be on guard.
02:08:06.000There's places now where grizzlies are strongly becoming such a problem when it comes to—they have to be controlled.
02:08:16.000They're just starting to get to be too many, especially for the food source.
02:08:21.000Well, there's people that worry about them being wiped out.
02:08:24.000And I read this article about it recently, and it was just so filled with misunderstanding or misinformation.
02:08:29.000We're talking about wiping out grizzlies that if they did open up back to grizzlies, grizzlies back to hunting again, they would be wiped out.
02:08:37.000There's an allotment, a certain amount of tags that get distributed because wildlife biologists Deem that there's too many of them, and that it's problematic for all the other animals that live in the area.
02:08:49.000You have to understand, when they put tag limits on white-tailed deer, or they put tag limits on wolves, they do it because they've deemed that there's an issue.
02:08:59.000And there's obviously people want to hunt deer, but there's also an issue.
02:09:04.000Like we were talking about the state of Pennsylvania.
02:09:06.000There's some areas, I don't know if it's still the case, but there were some areas in Pennsylvania where they brought in hunters year-round, no tag limits.
02:09:14.000They were like, just please come on down and shoot.
02:09:16.000And it was on Michael Waddell, his show.
02:10:07.000Two, no bullshit, bonafide seven foot.
02:10:11.000400-plus pound bears going to war in a residential community, knocking over fucking mailboxes and garbage cans, rolling out into the street, fur flying, biting each other.
02:11:31.000What a lot of people don't realize, too, every year I go up, you always catch slack for being a bear hunter, but I go up to British Columbia every year.
02:15:19.000He had evidently reached in with two claws and freaking hooked the backside of that door frame and ripped a freaking door out of a log home.
02:15:38.000So he freaking threw that to the side, went in the cabin...
02:15:43.000He licked the frickin' oven clean, but he could still smell that there's, like, grease somewhere inside there that he, like, wanted to get to.
02:15:53.000So the whole frickin', the whole stove was smashed about this high off the ground.
02:16:03.000He literally just got on it and squished that frickin' full-blown stove.
02:16:09.000Just like we would a pop can under our foot to like squirt some extra grease out the side of that big Oreo cookie that he thought it was and licked it clean.
02:18:22.000But yeah, he like, you know, freaking slung dingleberry juice and 10 gallons of freaking oil all across the next camp just to prove a point.
02:18:32.000Imagine what kind of diarrhea a bear gets after 10 gallons of oil.
02:18:49.000I mean, we're super lucky that they're alive.
02:18:51.000We're super lucky that they're around.
02:18:53.000And that's the difference between, I think, people who are like really hardcore animal rights activists and people who are wildlife biologists and conservationists, like both agree that bears are amazing.
02:19:08.000And that's where I think that these people, they have a misconception.
02:19:12.000They think that hunters want to kill animals and they're vicious and they're mean and cruel and they have little dicks.
02:20:17.000And if you don't differentiate the difference between the value of a person and controlling populations of bear, well, you're a ridiculous person.
02:20:25.000You're not looking at this thing correctly.
02:20:28.000No one's saying the bear should be wiped out.
02:20:30.000But when you talk about an animal that can flatten a stove...
02:20:34.000Flatten a stove and pull a door out of the frame with nine foot long spikes surrounding...
02:21:27.000How else would you have gotten a chance to see wolves in that environment that you saw them?
02:21:32.000I mean, that's a confrontational environment with wolves.
02:21:35.000Yeah, I wouldn't prefer to be in the middle of a freaking wolf attack to see them.
02:21:40.000But you see things, like I told you, the time where a freaking bull moose, probably about the size of the one that you've got over there, You know, literally watch this freaking grizzly square off to this bull moose and hit it.
02:21:57.000The grizzly literally just hit the freaking top back part of a full-blown moose and just broke it.
02:22:16.000I mean, it was like a binocular watch, but still, there's things like that.
02:22:20.000There's things like, you know, you talked about how the rivets up in Alberta, you know, where they have the bear camp, you saw like a boar.
02:22:31.000Maybe they were telling you the story.
02:22:36.000Well, I've seen, and I told you this, and I actually, I shot the boar, but I spotted a big...
02:22:45.000Bear in a field and I was hunting and it was spot and stalk and as I'm starting to stalk All of a sudden, a sow comes out and starts freaking posturing to the male.
02:22:58.000And then all heck broke loose, just like that.
02:24:30.000I haven't seen the evidence on, you know, you feel like it's just...
02:24:34.000Well, as Ranella said that there's recent evidence that shows that these bears are looking to eat these things, like, almost immediately when they come out of hibernation.
02:24:48.000I personally think, because they always tend to be more aggressive on the cubs from what I've experienced, the further into May that you get.
02:26:31.000And one of the coolest things that I've experienced is I've been in the timber during the fall where there's just colors, like a painting, just colors.
02:28:29.000I think, you know, I think with any type of animal, especially when the males have such a limited time to breed, they really exert themselves.
02:29:09.000And I think when they get that run down, it's no different than me.
02:29:13.000When I'm traveling a lot, especially when I'm skipping time zones, and I really have a hard time getting into a sleep pattern and a recovery pattern, You just get sick.
02:31:25.000This like red-tailed hawk just frickin' pounds this thing and I'm like looking around like what the heck and then the hawk looks at me and starts to fly and then drops the squirrel.
02:31:35.000And I went over and here's the squirrel with like two talon marks.
02:31:41.000One through its eye, one through its mouth, and one up through the drum.
02:32:09.000I've done what it takes to become a professional member now of the Boone& Crockett Club and I'm really focused on trying to give more back on the conservation side because there's so many important things that these organizations do for wildlife.
02:32:30.000I've just never seen an anti-hunting community Come anywhere where I'm at and put in time establishing habitat and actually doing things that grow the population and,
02:32:51.000I plant food and I probably leave 5,000 bucks a year worth of food in my dirt to help grow deer and help my deer population.
02:33:02.000Don't you think though that there's a lot of people that have opinions about animals and about wildlife that really spend very little time with animals and in wildlife?
02:33:12.000They have this very convenient idea I told a friend of mine the number that we discussed in the podcast earlier about Michigan having 50,000 car accidents a year.
02:33:57.000And if you did, I bet you'd have a different opinion.
02:33:59.000Have you seen some of the numbers, like what Allstate Insurance posts about how many vehicle deaths and dollars and vehicle collisions there are just with white-tailed deer, with one...
02:35:52.000My dad actually, he always wanted to have his teeth perfect.
02:36:00.000And I remember he wore braces for a long time to get his teeth fixed.
02:36:07.000And, like, no sooner than he had them done and was wearing a retainer, and my dad's like, he's got a truck at home, like a big truck, but he never drives it because he always, he, like, drove a little bitty Honda.
02:36:22.000He hit a buck, like, a month after getting his, like, finally the dentist saying you don't have to wear your retainer.
02:36:29.000He hit a buck and The horns stuck through his windshield and the horns stopped on his steering wheel and the body came in and hit him in the face.
02:37:41.000Do you know that at our house, if you drive around, you're gonna see a deer from your car like almost any time you're driving around our area after dark?
02:37:51.000Or Wait until you see how many dead deer are on the side of the road during the first three weeks of November driving down the highway in Iowa.