The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #788

00:00:07.000 He's double shooting me.

00:00:09.000 That means we're live.

00:00:11.000 With the Keto Kid.

00:00:14.000 The Keto Kid.

00:00:16.000 I've been doing this for six days.

00:00:17.000 He's the Keto Kid now.

00:00:22.000 That's your new nickname, the Keto Kid.

00:00:25.000 That's hilarious.

00:00:26.000 The Keto Kid.

00:00:28.000 I'm just happy you're doing it, man.

00:00:29.000 You know, before we get into the UFC stuff, Brendan and I were talking before this about he started the No Sugar Diet.

00:00:37.000 He went straight keto.

00:00:39.000 Which is crazy for me.

00:00:40.000 Yeah, for you, dude.

00:00:41.000 I was like, there's no way he's ever going to do this.

00:00:43.000 You're so addicted to candy.

00:00:45.000 I was the straight candy man.

00:00:46.000 I had candy in my car, everything.

00:00:48.000 Ari Shaffir is probably the worst I've ever seen.

00:00:50.000 Really?

00:00:51.000 Yeah.

00:00:51.000 He'll take a day off candy, and he'll just eat pasta and bread all day, giving his body candy in some other form.

00:00:58.000 God damn.

00:00:58.000 For me, I think it was just like, I've tried all these diets, and I've never got the results I've wanted to.

00:01:06.000 And then as soon as I started doing this, everyone's like, be careful, man.

00:01:08.000 The cravings, you're going to have headaches.

00:01:10.000 I haven't had shit.

00:01:12.000 As a matter of fact, I work out more.

00:01:14.000 Was it hard at all over the first couple of days?

00:01:16.000 No.

00:01:16.000 That's interesting.

00:01:17.000 Not at all.

00:01:18.000 Hmm.

00:01:18.000 Not at all.

00:01:19.000 Well, you know, if you talk to that Mark Sisson guy, he would probably say that your body just adapts really well to it.

00:01:25.000 That's what I would probably imagine.

00:01:27.000 But I think, like, to be sure you're even in a state of ketosis, you've got to measure your blood.

00:01:32.000 But it's going to be annoying for you, just like it's annoying for me.

00:01:34.000 I kind of have to find out where's the right place to stab yourself.

00:01:38.000 Because the fingertips weren't working for me.

00:01:40.000 It's like the little insulin when you check your blood sugar?

00:01:44.000 Mm-hmm.

00:01:44.000 Yeah, they weren't getting through my fingertips.

00:01:46.000 You got some thick-ass fingers.

00:01:47.000 Thick-ass fingers.

00:01:48.000 It's all those kettlebells.

00:01:49.000 Calluses, son.

00:01:50.000 I got some serious calluses up in here.

00:01:52.000 I hear you.

00:01:52.000 Over the last couple of years.

00:01:54.000 I think most guys doing their pinky.

00:01:55.000 My dad's diabetic, so I see him doing the pinky all the time.

00:01:58.000 He has some big old banana fingers.

00:01:59.000 Somebody sent me one, though, and they said there's a legit one now for your breath.

00:02:04.000 The ones where the breath used to suck, but now they have one that's legit.

00:02:08.000 And it shows what level of ketogenic you're at?

00:02:11.000 Ketosis, really?

00:02:12.000 I have to look into that.

00:02:14.000 I don't even remember who said it to me.

00:02:15.000 Dude, I don't give a fuck.

00:02:16.000 I just feel good.

00:02:17.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:02:18.000 I just feel good.

00:02:19.000 I'm just gonna keep doing it.

00:02:20.000 Dude, you're gonna feel...

00:02:21.000 This is the crazy thing.

00:02:22.000 You're gonna feel this way, and this is how you feel now.

00:02:25.000 Like, you know this thing in the middle of the day where you get tired?

00:02:29.000 That's gonna go away.

00:02:30.000 And I got that when I went to Mexico when on vacation.

00:02:33.000 Had a great old time.

00:02:34.000 But I said, fuck it, man.

00:02:36.000 I'm in Mexico.

00:02:37.000 I'm on vacation.

00:02:38.000 I'm going to go off my diet.

00:02:39.000 I'm going to have some fucking burritos, you know?

00:02:41.000 Never mad at that.

00:02:42.000 I'm going to have some tortillas.

00:02:42.000 Why not?

00:02:42.000 I'm getting in there.

00:02:43.000 I had tacos.

00:02:44.000 I had the whole thing.

00:02:44.000 And then I said, fuck it.

00:02:45.000 While I'm doing that, I might as well get dessert.

00:02:47.000 Dude, I felt like diggity dog shit.

00:02:50.000 When you haven't done that in two months.

00:02:52.000 The next day you did?

00:02:53.000 No, then.

00:02:53.000 Right away.

00:02:54.000 Which crashed.

00:02:55.000 Yeah, right away I felt terrible after eating the cake.

00:02:58.000 And then later in the day, I mean, I was just, I could barely stay conscious.

00:03:03.000 You can't do that anymore.

00:03:04.000 Yeah, I think my thing was, is I've always wanted to do it, but I never really had a strict reason to do it.

00:03:11.000 Like something that just put me over to finally make the decision to do it.

00:03:15.000 And I was thinking about how much you do, because I have a lot of stuff going on.

00:03:18.000 I'm like, dude, I'm getting tired, man.

00:03:19.000 I'm not doing that well.

00:03:21.000 I could be doing better, just mentally, more clear, and I'm working out, doing all this stuff.

00:03:25.000 And you and I have been talking about it for a while, and I was like, fuck.

00:03:28.000 I might as well try it, man.

00:03:29.000 Because coffee really does nothing to me anymore.

00:03:31.000 I could drink six cappuccinos before I go to bed and sleep just fine.

00:03:35.000 Just fine.

00:03:36.000 You should probably never get into REM sleep at all.

00:03:38.000 That's what happens.

00:03:40.000 So I'm like, I gotta do something.

00:03:41.000 And dude, it's been great.

00:03:43.000 Wow.

00:03:43.000 That's amazing.

00:03:45.000 Good for you.

00:03:46.000 It gets easy.

00:03:46.000 12-step program, son.

00:03:47.000 It gets easy because after a while you just look at food as like, oh, well this is what I'm supposed to be eating.

00:03:53.000 That other stuff isn't food.

00:03:54.000 You know, like you don't look at a candy bar like, oh, that would be good right now.

00:03:58.000 That's what's crazy to me.

00:03:59.000 I'm not like, like you were talking about how you have those ketogenic like Reesey Pieces or whatever.

00:04:04.000 I don't even want to try that bullshit.

00:04:06.000 Yeah, these are, um, I should give them a shout out.

00:04:09.000 Quest Labs.

00:04:10.000 Sent us a bunch of stuff when they found out that we were...

00:04:13.000 And Quests are great.

00:04:14.000 I know those guys.

00:04:15.000 They're great.

00:04:16.000 But even sweets or something that simulates sweets, I don't want that.

00:04:19.000 It's weird, man.

00:04:20.000 This stuff's good.

00:04:21.000 They have crackers.

00:04:22.000 You can eat these crackers.

00:04:23.000 These are like keto crackers.

00:04:24.000 They're saltines.

00:04:25.000 I fucking hate crackers now.

00:04:27.000 Whoa.

00:04:28.000 I don't give a fuck.

00:04:28.000 I'm against carbs in any form.

00:04:30.000 Those aren't really carbs.

00:04:32.000 I know.

00:04:32.000 What the fuck they are.

00:04:33.000 I don't like the way they look anymore, Joe.

00:04:35.000 Yeah, son.

00:04:35.000 Look at you.

00:04:36.000 You're a new man.

00:04:36.000 I know, man.

00:04:37.000 I feel good.

00:04:38.000 Paying a week later, I'm just 300 pounds full of sugar.

00:04:41.000 This is some stuff I've been taking, too.

00:04:42.000 It's called Keygenics, and it's exogenous ketones.

00:04:46.000 These are...

00:04:47.000 I don't know if that guy, Dom D'Agostino, had something to do with this.

00:04:51.000 Somebody told me.

00:04:51.000 I need to research it further.

00:04:52.000 But these are exogenous ketones.

00:04:54.000 You take this, and you mix that with water, and it puts you in a state of ketosis really rapidly, like within an hour.

00:05:01.000 Twelve carbs, though.

00:05:03.000 Yeah, but it's okay for the whole day.

00:05:06.000 Again, I don't need anything.

00:05:08.000 I have some nuts in my car covered in cinnamon.

00:05:11.000 I'll snack on those all day, be just fine.

00:05:13.000 Never hungry.

00:05:14.000 You're very dedicated.

00:05:14.000 Something's going on right now.

00:05:15.000 I got nuts in my car.

00:05:17.000 I have nuts in my car.

00:05:19.000 What kind?

00:05:19.000 Like macadamia?

00:05:20.000 Almonds.

00:05:20.000 Ooh, almonds are good.

00:05:21.000 Almonds, man, with just cinnamon on top.

00:05:24.000 You know what I do?

00:05:24.000 I eat those pistachios that are already shelled.

00:05:28.000 Oh, so you gotta crack the shell open?

00:05:29.000 No, they're already shelled.

00:05:31.000 Oh, you're saying, oh, they're not shelled.

00:05:32.000 No, well, shelled meaning the shells were removed.

00:05:37.000 Oh, word.

00:05:38.000 Yeah, that's shelled.

00:05:38.000 Is that the correct term?

00:05:39.000 Shelled?

00:05:40.000 Shelled.

00:05:41.000 Okay.

00:05:42.000 Yeah, like, I mean, what would be a good comparison?

00:05:46.000 It's not unshelled?

00:05:46.000 No, I don't believe so.

00:05:48.000 I think they say shelled, meaning that they've been removed from the shell.

00:05:54.000 Maybe I'm wrong.

00:05:55.000 Maybe it is unshelled.

00:05:55.000 If you want some shelled nuts, I'd say, well, is there anyone who can unshelled them?

00:05:58.000 What you're saying makes total sense.

00:05:59.000 I know.

00:06:00.000 Well, whatever it is, I buy them in the bag with no shells.

00:06:02.000 Let me just put it that way.

00:06:03.000 I don't like that.

00:06:04.000 It's a big, giant-ass bag, and I just force-feed them.

00:06:07.000 I like the work.

00:06:09.000 It's like with sunflower seeds.

00:06:10.000 I don't like just regular sunflower seeds.

00:06:12.000 I gotta have the shell.

00:06:13.000 Yeah.

00:06:14.000 I like the work.

00:06:14.000 I know a lot of people do that, man.

00:06:15.000 Like, if you just got a plate of crab meat, fuck that noise.

00:06:18.000 I want the legs to crack open.

00:06:19.000 Mmm.

00:06:20.000 I see.

00:06:20.000 Is that weird?

00:06:21.000 No.

00:06:22.000 No.

00:06:22.000 There's merit to that.

00:06:23.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:06:24.000 I get it.

00:06:24.000 I had some regular pistachios the other day and I had to work for them.

00:06:28.000 It's rewarding.

00:06:29.000 Yeah, and they were kind of like flavorful on the outside.

00:06:32.000 I enjoyed it.

00:06:32.000 Yeah, I like sucking on the shells.

00:06:33.000 But sometimes I just like to pour a coffee cup full of pistachios and just eat that shit while I watch TV. See, I'll do a mix.

00:06:40.000 A little macadamia nuts, cashews.

00:06:42.000 All unsalted.

00:06:43.000 I hate salt.

00:06:44.000 Dude, you're so healthy now.

00:06:45.000 What's going on?

00:06:46.000 I don't know what the fuck's going on.

00:06:49.000 Like this fucking new fucking keto...

00:06:52.000 It's weird, man.

00:06:53.000 The keto kid.

00:06:54.000 That made me fucking...

00:06:55.000 Are you getting a lot of vegetables in, too?

00:07:00.000 Yeah, tons of veggies.

00:07:02.000 You know what my big thing is?

00:07:03.000 I probably eat...

00:07:04.000 I've ate it every night for dinner since I've been on the diet.

00:07:07.000 Is I do like a...

00:07:09.000 A shredded lettuce-cabbage mix that I sauté and I put buffalo meat in it.

00:07:14.000 And then I'll put hot sauce on top of that.

00:07:17.000 Every night, that's what I have for dinner.

00:07:18.000 I know.

00:07:19.000 I look forward to it, too.

00:07:21.000 Wow.

00:07:21.000 It's so weird.

00:07:23.000 Yeah, weight is gonna melt off your body too.

00:07:25.000 The first few pounds you lose, obviously I'm not a doctor, are supposed to be just your body adjusting to this new lower inflammation diet.

00:07:36.000 You don't have as much inflammation, you don't have as much water storage in your body, and you just get rid of some of that.

00:07:43.000 And then your body, as it starts burning off fat, one of the coolest things is you don't get those crazy hunger cravings either.

00:07:50.000 It's a completely different kind of hunger.

00:07:52.000 Well, plus it lasts longer, right?

00:07:54.000 Because you're eating these fats, so your body's not spiking insulin, right?

00:07:58.000 It's like more of a steady pace.

00:08:00.000 And the spike in insulin is fucking real, man.

00:08:04.000 Because like I told you, I cheated in Mexico, and then I cheated one other time.

00:08:07.000 I just said, fucking, I want a cheeseburger and a milkshake from this old-time diner.

00:08:11.000 So American.

00:08:14.000 I was so dead afterwards.

00:08:16.000 It was like somebody poisoned me.

00:08:18.000 I mean, it was so dramatic, man.

00:08:20.000 Like, no, bitch.

00:08:21.000 No, I really did feel like I was having the hardest time getting up off the couch.

00:08:26.000 I was like, God.

00:08:27.000 I just couldn't breathe.

00:08:28.000 It was like my body had just shut down to process all this bullshit.

00:08:32.000 That garbage.

00:08:33.000 Yeah, it's like, what the fuck is this?

00:08:35.000 I think the only thing that took me a while to get used to was so much MCT oil.

00:08:39.000 Yeah, you gotta be careful with that, though.

00:08:40.000 I texted you yesterday.

00:08:41.000 I was running, man.

00:08:42.000 I took it.

00:08:43.000 A bunch of this new MCT oil.

00:08:45.000 I swear to God, I was like, it's Venice.

00:08:47.000 I might as well just shit my pants right here.

00:08:49.000 Like, no one's gonna give a fuck.

00:08:50.000 I will just shit everywhere.

00:08:51.000 Yeah, there's a tipping point with MCT oil where it just opens a floodgate to your booty hole.

00:08:59.000 There's no, like, third gear.

00:09:02.000 It's, like, first or fucking sixth gear, man.

00:09:05.000 And where is it?

00:09:05.000 Is it, like, two tablespoons?

00:09:07.000 I'm trying to figure it out.

00:09:08.000 Is it like three tablespoons?

00:09:09.000 You're gone.

00:09:10.000 That shit is the perfect storm for explosive diarrhea.

00:09:12.000 Yeah, if you want to clean out the pipes, you don't need a colonic.

00:09:15.000 But it's not like, ah, I gotta take a shit.

00:09:17.000 It's like, it's coming.

00:09:18.000 You better fucking figure it out.

00:09:20.000 You're squeezing your butt up and you're tensing up your innards.

00:09:24.000 You're trying to clamp it down from the inside.

00:09:26.000 I have to stop running.

00:09:27.000 I was like, I better come up with a game plan here.

00:09:29.000 My mouth started watering.

00:09:30.000 I'm like...

00:09:31.000 Oh, shit.

00:09:32.000 And there's that battle that you play.

00:09:33.000 It's very similar to the battle when you try not to cum.

00:09:36.000 You know, the battle when you try not to cum.

00:09:38.000 Just squeezing your dick in your fingers.

00:09:41.000 Jesus!

00:09:42.000 Jesus!

00:09:43.000 That shit is.

00:09:43.000 It's very similar to that.

00:09:45.000 I don't want to shit my pants.

00:09:47.000 You have willpower.

00:09:48.000 Because there's some weak people in the world that just shit their pants more than they should.

00:09:52.000 You can't be my friend.

00:09:53.000 If you just give up and shit your pants, lose my number.

00:09:56.000 I just don't know what to do.

00:09:59.000 It hurts to keep my butt tight.

00:10:05.000 You just got no willpower, man.

00:10:07.000 Yeah, but then I've shit my pants before, too.

00:10:10.000 It's like, here's the deal.

00:10:14.000 It's okay to tap out.

00:10:16.000 Just don't tap out like a bitch.

00:10:18.000 No, at least put up a fight.

00:10:19.000 It's hard if you're going to lose the fight.

00:10:20.000 Be actually in a position where you have to tap.

00:10:23.000 Don't just tap because you're uncomfortable.

00:10:25.000 You're sweating and you have no other options.

00:10:28.000 Hey, didn't Calen lie to you one time and said he shit his pants and then showed up with regular pants?

00:10:34.000 That's one line you just can't do.

00:10:36.000 He said that he couldn't make it to the show at the Ice House because he shit his pants.

00:10:44.000 And I said, what are you talking about?

00:10:46.000 He goes, I shit my pants.

00:10:47.000 I can't come.

00:10:47.000 And I said, Brian, these people came to see you.

00:10:51.000 They're here to see you.

00:10:53.000 And...

00:10:54.000 He goes, what should I do?

00:10:56.000 I go, go to a fucking bathroom at a gas station, take your fucking pants off, throw them in the sink, clean the shit out of your pants, wring them out, and then get over here with wet pants on in a storage.

00:11:08.000 How old is he at this time?

00:11:09.000 Oh, like a year ago.

00:11:11.000 This is a year ago.

00:11:12.000 And he's asking you, what should I do?

00:11:14.000 You gotta show up, man.

00:11:16.000 You gotta show up.

00:11:17.000 Like, people don't want to smell shit on you.

00:11:19.000 So, if you could just get to the bathroom for five minutes, you could fix all that.

00:11:22.000 It's gonna take a little work, and you're gonna wear wet pants.

00:11:25.000 But that's what you have to do.

00:11:26.000 Better than doo-doo pants.

00:11:27.000 People paid!

00:11:28.000 They're Brian Callen fans!

00:11:30.000 Yeah, they don't give a fuck if you have doo-doo hanging out your pants.

00:11:33.000 Tell some jokes!

00:11:33.000 So he shows up ten minutes later, his pants are dry.

00:11:36.000 And I go...

00:11:38.000 What happened?

00:11:38.000 And he said, oh, I had a pair of pants in my trunk.

00:11:41.000 The worst lie of all of us.

00:11:42.000 A pair of pants in your trunk?

00:11:43.000 I don't know what, I didn't even want to ask what was really going on.

00:11:47.000 You can't even get into it.

00:11:47.000 If you shit your pants as a grown man, I mean, it ain't a simple procedure.

00:11:52.000 There's some steps you gotta take.

00:11:53.000 Maybe that's the next shirt, is I had another pair of pants in my trunk.

00:11:57.000 Who carries pants in their trunk?

00:12:00.000 Have you ever had a pair of pants in your trunk that you didn't know about?

00:12:03.000 Never.

00:12:04.000 But you shit your pants and you go, what is the odds that the pants are in my trunk?

00:12:08.000 Never.

00:12:09.000 I guess when I'm older, I might.

00:12:10.000 I might have a baseball hat in there.

00:12:13.000 And I can cover my balls.

00:12:15.000 I love that story.

00:12:16.000 Out of all the lies, shitting your pants?

00:12:19.000 I don't know if it was a lie.

00:12:20.000 I'm gonna need some shits, though.

00:12:20.000 I'm gonna need to see some stuff.

00:12:22.000 I do not know if it was a lie, but goddamn, he smelled so normal.

00:12:26.000 I mean, I would've just...

00:12:28.000 Only Cal is the best.

00:12:30.000 Only he could do that.

00:12:31.000 You shit all over your pants and just find new pants.

00:12:34.000 Would you throw your pants away?

00:12:35.000 If it's like a clean log, though, you could figure it out.

00:12:38.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:12:39.000 If you felt it coming out, you're like, oh, okay, we see what we got going on here.

00:12:43.000 This is a blockbuster.

00:12:45.000 This is a fucking lumber roll.

00:12:46.000 This is one of them submarines.

00:12:47.000 We'll figure it out.

00:12:48.000 This is one of them lumber rolls that they have those trucks that go down on.

00:12:54.000 Those gigantic cedar logs.

00:12:57.000 Oh, shit.

00:12:57.000 Like, oh, boy, here we go!

00:13:00.000 But then there's ones you're like, oh my god, this is 100% diarrhea.

00:13:04.000 Oh, that MCT oil, there's no guessing.

00:13:07.000 That shit is, you will spray paint your pants brown.

00:13:10.000 But there's a feeling.

00:13:12.000 It's like your butt has different levels of sensitivity.

00:13:15.000 Your butt knows when you're going to blow out a hard, beefy pot roast shit.

00:13:22.000 You know, one of them thick, dried out shits that's very dense.

00:13:26.000 Your butt knows.

00:13:28.000 Your butt's like, look, we're eventually going to have to sit down here.

00:13:31.000 Prepare yourself.

00:13:31.000 There's going to be a big one, so I want you to get a magazine.

00:13:33.000 Get your mind right, son.

00:13:34.000 Make sure your fucking iPhone's charged up.

00:13:36.000 But then there's the fire drill.

00:13:37.000 Then there's the fucking fire drill.

00:13:40.000 And that's what I had in Venice yesterday.

00:13:41.000 But you know, before you see, you're not even...

00:13:44.000 You can't see your asshole even if you had to.

00:13:46.000 Unless you're an acrobat.

00:13:48.000 There's no way to even see your asshole without a mirror.

00:13:50.000 It's like a 10-second warning.

00:13:53.000 We're like, Oh!

00:13:54.000 Right, but you know what I'm saying?

00:13:55.000 Like, there's a certain level of sensitivity.

00:13:57.000 Oh, for sure.

00:13:58.000 If you had explained that, if you had explained the feeling of what is it like when you have to take a shit, you'd be like, well, there's different kinds of feelings when you have to take a shit.

00:14:06.000 There's like...

00:14:08.000 Eventually, I'm gonna have to take a shit.

00:14:10.000 There's a, oh God, oh boy, this is gonna be a whopper, but it's a shit.

00:14:15.000 And then there's, oh, oh.

00:14:17.000 You're talking about that terrorist level five shit.

00:14:19.000 There's that diarrhea feeling.

00:14:21.000 There's signals in your body that we always think of.

00:14:25.000 We put them in one classification, but they're radically different feelings.

00:14:29.000 It's complicated.

00:14:31.000 If you break it down, it's complicated.

00:14:34.000 The diarrhea feeling is super complicated.

00:14:37.000 It's like, how do I know?

00:14:39.000 How do I know that this is about to come flying?

00:14:43.000 My body starts sweating, too.

00:14:45.000 Brace yourself, son.

00:14:46.000 You're about to get active.

00:14:48.000 And some foods, too.

00:14:50.000 Sometimes spicy food, for whatever reason, just breaks stuff loose off the walls.

00:14:56.000 And there's a goddamn avalanche.

00:14:58.000 A fucking mudslide.

00:15:00.000 A fucking broken fire hydrant coming out of your asshole.

00:15:03.000 It is complicated, though.

00:15:04.000 We can do a podcast for three hours straight up on shit.

00:15:07.000 Yeah.

00:15:08.000 Yeah, man.

00:15:10.000 It's very important.

00:15:11.000 It's very important.

00:15:13.000 It's so hilarious.

00:15:14.000 So easy on the MCT oil, kids.

00:15:16.000 Yeah, brace yourself.

00:15:17.000 Moral to our story.

00:15:19.000 You're supposed to have, at the most, a couple of tablespoons.

00:15:23.000 Yeah, don't squirt that shit drink in your mouth.

00:15:24.000 It's not going to kill you, but you will shit your parents.

00:15:28.000 Yeah, you'll piss out of your asshole.

00:15:31.000 Straight up.

00:15:32.000 The big combination, if you really want to clean the pipes, is those Hulk load shakes, kale shakes that I make with MCT oil in it.

00:15:39.000 Preach.

00:15:40.000 Whoa.

00:15:41.000 I started adding coconut oil.

00:15:42.000 Coconut oil was nice.

00:15:44.000 Scoop it out a couple of, you know, extra virgin or whatever the fuck it is.

00:15:48.000 Get a nice couple of tablespoons, throw it in there.

00:15:50.000 But then I decided to go hard and go to MCT. Go hard in the paint.

00:15:54.000 Go to MCT oil.

00:15:56.000 And I forget the number that I use.

00:15:59.000 Four or five tablespoons.

00:16:02.000 You fucked up.

00:16:02.000 Yeah.

00:16:03.000 I use four or five tablespoons for one of those blenders.

00:16:10.000 What did you say that is?

00:16:12.000 About 16 ounces?

00:16:13.000 No, 20 ounces maybe?

00:16:15.000 So five scoops of MCT oil.

00:16:19.000 What were you thinking?

00:16:20.000 I don't know.

00:16:21.000 I want to see what happens.

00:16:22.000 Usually I'm always down for more means better.

00:16:25.000 I didn't know.

00:16:27.000 Back then.

00:16:27.000 When I first started shitting myself.

00:16:30.000 See, I knew!

00:16:31.000 Coming close to shitting myself, at least.

00:16:33.000 I knew, and I still fucking do it.

00:16:34.000 I didn't know it was MCT oil that was doing it.

00:16:36.000 I thought it was just the intense amount of fiber from the hemp shakes, or from the kale shakes.

00:16:43.000 The vegetables?

00:16:43.000 Yeah.

00:16:44.000 I mean, there's cucumber in there, carrots in there, or celery, rather.

00:16:48.000 And ginger and garlic and usually a piece of fruit, like an apple or something like that.

00:16:53.000 There's so much fiber.

00:16:54.000 I thought it was just blowing everything out.

00:16:56.000 But there's a big difference between...

00:16:59.000 No.

00:16:59.000 When I had the extra MC2, it's like...

00:17:02.000 It's like a turbo.

00:17:03.000 It's like a turbo on your engine.

00:17:05.000 Is it lubing everything up?

00:17:06.000 Why is that?

00:17:07.000 It just gets in there and wreaks havoc.

00:17:09.000 It just gets in there and fucking...

00:17:11.000 Why does it make it all come out as liquid?

00:17:13.000 What is happening?

00:17:16.000 It's complicated.

00:17:17.000 It's so complicated.

00:17:19.000 How the fuck does that work?

00:17:20.000 But it seems like it would be a good thing.

00:17:22.000 Like, it would be uncomfortable, but something like that would clean you out.

00:17:26.000 I think it's a good thing.

00:17:27.000 Probably.

00:17:28.000 I feel like it.

00:17:29.000 I hope so.

00:17:30.000 Yeah.

00:17:30.000 I hope so, too.

00:17:32.000 Anyway, good source of healthy fats.

00:17:34.000 Just take it easy, you fucks.

00:17:36.000 Yeah.

00:17:36.000 Easy, man.

00:17:37.000 More's not better.

00:17:38.000 Yeah.

00:17:39.000 So, big UFC this weekend.

00:17:40.000 That's one of the reasons why we sat down here.

00:17:42.000 God, we started talking about shit in our pants.

00:17:44.000 We talked about shitty for 25 minutes.

00:17:46.000 Sorry, man.

00:17:47.000 We can talk about whatever, though.

00:17:48.000 No, a big UFC this weekend, but I was talking to you through text.

00:17:53.000 I feel like no one's really talking about UFC 197 because the Conner.

00:17:57.000 Straight up, the Conner.

00:17:59.000 That's all I'll refer to now, the Conner.

00:18:00.000 The two best pound-for-pound fighters in the world, universally heralded two best pound-for-pound fighters.

00:18:07.000 John Jones and Demetrius Mighty Mouse Johnson fighting on a card this weekend, and no one's talking about it.

00:18:12.000 Oh, and Anthony Pettis is on that bitch.

00:18:13.000 And Anthony Pettis versus Barboza, yeah.

00:18:15.000 But Jon Jones, in my opinion, he's number two.

00:18:20.000 Not that he's not awesome.

00:18:22.000 I just go off technique.

00:18:24.000 I think that Demetrius Johnson is on another level.

00:18:27.000 I think he has to be on another level because he's so small.

00:18:30.000 But I think what Jon Jones does and his risk of losing is so much higher than Mighty Mouse is.

00:18:34.000 And he's destroying dudes.

00:18:37.000 And not training.

00:18:38.000 And high as fuck.

00:18:39.000 Let's toss that on top of it.

00:18:41.000 You got good points there, but just because you didn't train, it doesn't make your performances more valid.

00:18:48.000 Like, because you beat Daniel Cormier and you did coke three weeks before, you still had the same fight with Daniel Cormier.

00:18:54.000 Just because you went five rounds with Alexander Gustafson and struggled because you didn't train, you still struggled.

00:19:01.000 So although I agree that Jon Jones at his best is the motherfucker.

00:19:06.000 I mean, Jon Jones at his best, when he choked out Lyoto Machida, when he just dropped him and walked away, See, I don't think it's a contest.

00:19:12.000 Like an assassin?

00:19:12.000 Yeah, I don't think it's a contest because I think John, the way he's being guys, he's facing tougher competition.

00:19:17.000 You could argue that.

00:19:18.000 And his level, his margin of error is so much smaller.

00:19:22.000 Like, let's say DJ has one off night and someone lands a big right hand on him.

00:19:28.000 He'll figure it out and that right hand's not going to land again.

00:19:30.000 If John Jones has an off night, even OSP, and OSP lands a huge left hook, it's over, son.

00:19:37.000 It's true.

00:19:38.000 Very good points.

00:19:39.000 These are very good points.

00:19:40.000 Absolutely.

00:19:40.000 And think about the legends he's beat.

00:19:42.000 Mighty Mouse?

00:19:43.000 You know Mighty Mouse's next fight, if he gets past Cejudo?

00:19:46.000 He's fighting the winner of the Ultimate Fighter.

00:19:47.000 That's what the fuck we got to result to.

00:19:49.000 There's just no one for him to fight.

00:19:51.000 Wouldn't he fight Benavidez?

00:19:52.000 No.

00:19:53.000 No.

00:19:53.000 His next fight, they said, if he wins this fight, he's going to fight the winner of the Ultimate Fighter.

00:19:57.000 That sounds crazy.

00:19:59.000 That's what he says, people, tiny people.

00:20:02.000 People don't look at those little tiny guys.

00:20:04.000 I know, it sucks, man, because he's so talented.

00:20:06.000 So good.

00:20:07.000 I actually think it's better for the sport.

00:20:09.000 I love Demetrius Johnson.

00:20:10.000 I love DJ. I absolutely love him.

00:20:12.000 I think he's great.

00:20:12.000 I think it's better for the sport if Cejudo wins.

00:20:15.000 What?

00:20:16.000 Yeah.

00:20:16.000 Why do you say that?

00:20:17.000 Because of his upbringing, his background, Olympic gold medalist, didn't go to college, just pursued the Olympics straight out of high school and won gold.

00:20:25.000 The youngest ever to win gold.

00:20:27.000 You know, his Mexican roots, I think the UFC could use more of that.

00:20:31.000 DJ needs a nemesis.

00:20:32.000 Like Aldo had McGregor, right?

00:20:34.000 Aldo's never been bigger now.

00:20:35.000 I think DJ needs a nemesis.

00:20:37.000 And if he beats him, we don't have one.

00:20:39.000 He fights the fucking ultimate fighter winner.

00:20:41.000 It's true.

00:20:41.000 Or unless he beats him barely.

00:20:43.000 Who knows?

00:20:44.000 But even then...

00:20:45.000 Look, Cejudo's not a joke.

00:20:47.000 He's the best wrestler in MMA today.

00:20:49.000 I mean, arguably, that's competing in the 125-pound division.

00:20:53.000 Who's ever had more wrestling accomplishments?

00:20:56.000 He's an Olympic gold medalist.

00:20:57.000 Gold medalist.

00:20:57.000 I mean, that's the beast of the beasts.

00:21:00.000 So, you know he's a winner.

00:21:02.000 He's just a straight winner.

00:21:03.000 The real question is, is that cut to 125 too brutal?

00:21:09.000 He looked good in his fights.

00:21:11.000 The scary thing to me though...

00:21:12.000 But would he look better if he didn't cut?

00:21:14.000 I always think guys would.

00:21:15.000 I always think they would.

00:21:17.000 A guy like him, I wonder if he's got that wrestler's mentality to always be the biggest guy.

00:21:22.000 Look what he did cutting that weight though.

00:21:23.000 He has it down to a science.

00:21:25.000 So usually the wrestlers are a beast at it.

00:21:27.000 Like DC, amazing.

00:21:29.000 Hendo, amazing.

00:21:30.000 You're talking about guys who never really miss weight.

00:21:31.000 Well, how about Rumble back when he used to go down from like 200 plus to 170. It was insane.

00:21:37.000 Just unhealthy.

00:21:38.000 I can't believe no one was like, God, I feel like it's a bad idea.

00:21:40.000 You might die.

00:21:42.000 And then Dada was like, nah, I got this.

00:21:44.000 Dead.

00:21:45.000 Dada died.

00:21:46.000 That's why you can't have that shit.

00:21:49.000 But they said Dada only had to lose, like, three pounds the week of the fight.

00:21:52.000 Still, though, I'm just saying.

00:21:53.000 You better know your weight cuts, son.

00:21:55.000 Yeah, I think there was a lot of other issues going on there, physically.

00:21:58.000 We just wasn't prepared for that.

00:21:59.000 But there's a big difference between him and a guy like Cejudo.

00:22:02.000 I know, I'm just being silly.

00:22:03.000 No, Cejudo's the fucking best in the business.

00:22:05.000 He's a master at weight cutting.

00:22:06.000 You just look at his wins, all decisions, his level of competition.

00:22:13.000 DJ, I think he's number two pound-for-pound best.

00:22:16.000 Good luck, man.

00:22:17.000 Yeah.

00:22:18.000 And DJ's a motherfucker.

00:22:19.000 He's an artist, man.

00:22:20.000 He's my favorite guy to watch.

00:22:21.000 Because you just don't get to hit him.

00:22:24.000 You don't get to.

00:22:25.000 It's not how it works.

00:22:26.000 Well, how it works is, he's gonna be moving, you're gonna be reacting, you're gonna think he's gonna go left, he's gonna go right, he's gonna punch you in the face while he's doing it, he's gonna circle out, leg kick you on the way out, and then enter when you think he's gonna exit.

00:22:38.000 Go to the right when you think he's gonna go to the left and constantly switch between takedowns and punches and he gets you up against the cage and he drops down for doubles and comes up with an elbow and it's all creative.

00:22:48.000 This is all flowing together.

00:22:50.000 I agree.

00:22:50.000 And there's no one with better skills than him.

00:22:52.000 No.

00:22:52.000 But I don't think that makes him the best fighter.

00:22:54.000 It's a good point.

00:22:54.000 If that makes sense.

00:22:55.000 But I also think if I'm DJ, I'm gonna sit there and go, God, how the fuck can I become a draw?

00:23:00.000 I'm tiny.

00:23:01.000 People don't give a fuck about tiny people.

00:23:03.000 Let's see.

00:23:03.000 The one guy who's beat me, Dominic Cruz, is a massive star.

00:23:06.000 I need to go up and wait and fight Dominic Cruz.

00:23:09.000 That's the fight.

00:23:10.000 Well, that's not a bad fight.

00:23:11.000 He should grab the mic after he beats Cejudo and go, Dominic, you're the last guy to beat me, especially in the UFC. Before that, it was homeboy, the frickin' Irish cat.

00:23:21.000 I forget his name.

00:23:22.000 Anyways, he just needs to get on the mic and go, yo, the last guy to beat me.

00:23:27.000 Brad Pickett?

00:23:27.000 Pickett, yeah, exactly.

00:23:28.000 Pickett beat him in decision.

00:23:29.000 English guy.

00:23:30.000 I knew who you were talking about, though.

00:23:31.000 Yeah, my bad.

00:23:32.000 My bad.

00:23:32.000 Love that guy.

00:23:33.000 My bad, Brad.

00:23:34.000 But he just needs to get on the mic and create some sort of hype.

00:23:37.000 Like even the Cejudo thing to the common fan.

00:23:40.000 They're like, what?

00:23:41.000 These are two tiny dudes.

00:23:42.000 It's hard.

00:23:42.000 But to stay at 125, it ain't happening, man.

00:23:45.000 You're not going to become mainstream.

00:23:46.000 You're not going to become...

00:23:48.000 You're not going to make a lot of money.

00:23:50.000 Well, I wonder, though.

00:23:51.000 Well, maybe you're right, because if Cejudo beat him, then maybe he can make a lot of money.

00:23:55.000 Yeah, then we've got a little bit of drama.

00:23:57.000 Yeah.

00:23:57.000 Well, we'll see.

00:23:59.000 It's not outside the realm of possibilities.

00:24:01.000 So either the best thing for him, Cejudo beats him and talks some shit.

00:24:05.000 It's kind of back and forth fight, and then they fight again.

00:24:06.000 We'll watch that three match.

00:24:08.000 Or, let's say he just destroys Cejudo.

00:24:11.000 Cejudo, don't wait for the ultimate fighter winner.

00:24:13.000 We don't give a fuck about those small guys in the ultimate fighter.

00:24:15.000 Get on the mic, call out Dominic Cruz, son.

00:24:17.000 I wanted to see Cejudo versus someone like Benavidez.

00:24:20.000 Me too.

00:24:21.000 I wanted to see Cejudo versus a real veteran.

00:24:23.000 But then if, let's say he fights Benavidez and Benavidez beats him, you want Benavidez, Mighty Mouse 2?

00:24:28.000 Oh, 3. 3?

00:24:30.000 You do.

00:24:30.000 I do.

00:24:31.000 Yeah.

00:24:32.000 Again.

00:24:33.000 I get it.

00:24:33.000 You do.

00:24:34.000 Everyone else does not.

00:24:36.000 And Benavidez is, I love that dude.

00:24:38.000 Well, there's two ways of looking at it.

00:24:39.000 As an excitement junkie.

00:24:42.000 And as a fan of the art form.

00:24:44.000 For me, as a fan of the art form, I want to see DJ with as many different tests as possible.

00:24:51.000 Because I'm a big fan of technique and movement, and I think he's the highest expression of technique and movement today.

00:24:58.000 I agree.

00:24:58.000 Because his combinations, the way he stifled Dodson.

00:25:02.000 You don't stifle Dodson.

00:25:04.000 Dodson's a hurricane.

00:25:05.000 You got cows flying around your yard.

00:25:07.000 You know, the fucking satellite dish will take your head off as it comes off the roof.

00:25:11.000 Yep.

00:25:12.000 He's so fast!

00:25:13.000 How about Bagatinov, when he fought him?

00:25:15.000 Bagatinov, he out-cardioed him.

00:25:17.000 He was on EPO! He was on EPO, and he out-cardioed him.

00:25:20.000 And he out-cardioed him.

00:25:21.000 What the fuck?

00:25:22.000 Bagatinov's got that style.

00:25:23.000 That's that Russian style that sometimes works, but sometimes doesn't.

00:25:28.000 That fucking...

00:25:28.000 Those guys get tense.

00:25:30.000 They can see the shots.

00:25:31.000 They get tense, and they...

00:25:33.000 And every punch is...

00:25:35.000 It works at heavier.

00:25:36.000 It works at heavier weights.

00:25:37.000 It can work.

00:25:38.000 Ibagatino fucked a lot of people up.

00:25:40.000 He did until he met a motherfucker.

00:25:43.000 But I just think, like you said, from a purist point, it's like, yeah, Mighty Mouse, keep doing your thing.

00:25:49.000 As a guy looking at what's best for him...

00:25:52.000 Because he's going to fight, right?

00:25:53.000 He's just going to keep fighting.

00:25:54.000 How can we make the most money and get you the most fame and the best competition?

00:25:59.000 Dominic Cruz.

00:26:00.000 I agree with you.

00:26:01.000 It's the best matchup in that they're virtually identical side-wise.

00:26:06.000 Size-wise, they're only 10 pounds off.

00:26:07.000 Yeah, man.

00:26:08.000 And they're both, I'm talking about world champions, the highest level.

00:26:11.000 You want to talk about a super fight?

00:26:12.000 They're not that far off.

00:26:13.000 10 pounds at 125, though, is actually quite a bit.

00:26:15.000 That is a lot of weight.

00:26:16.000 Because if it was 100 pounds, it would be 10%.

00:26:18.000 That is a lot of weight.

00:26:19.000 But they could figure it out, you know what I'm saying?

00:26:20.000 Like, you could risk that for that big of a payday.

00:26:22.000 Well, Mighty Mouse has fought at that weight before.

00:26:26.000 And if he just did it, if they gave him, like, six months, You give him six months so he can do some squats or deadlifts or whatever and put on some actual weight.

00:26:34.000 The issue is Cruz, right?

00:26:36.000 Cruz has Uriah.

00:26:37.000 Let's say he beats Uriah.

00:26:39.000 If we go with the Vegas odds, he beats Uriah.

00:26:40.000 But then he has TJ. Well, I think TJ is going to go with Dodson.

00:26:44.000 If I had a guess, like what the big fight is at 135, rematch between TJ and Dodson because that was the finals of the Ultimate Fighter.

00:26:52.000 100%.

00:26:52.000 And both guys are light years past where they were then.

00:26:56.000 I would like to see how Dotson deals with the champion, TJ. I mean, because TJ lost a razor close decision to Dominic, right?

00:27:04.000 Agreed?

00:27:04.000 Very fucking close.

00:27:05.000 I actually had TJ winning.

00:27:06.000 Very fucking close fight.

00:27:08.000 And, you know, Dominic Cruz is a master.

00:27:10.000 I mean, he is just a master.

00:27:11.000 Straight master.

00:27:12.000 Watching him move and his footwork inside the octagon and the way he mixes things up, be like, this fucking kid has been out essentially for four years, except for one fight.

00:27:21.000 Nuts.

00:27:21.000 Crazy.

00:27:22.000 And that one fight was like a minute something?

00:27:24.000 Yeah, he just stormed Mitsugaki.

00:27:26.000 So you're watching this guy move around.

00:27:28.000 I mean, this is a guy who hasn't performed under the pressure of the cameras for all this time.

00:27:32.000 He still puts on this masterful performance.

00:27:34.000 He has the best brain in MMA that I've ever been around.

00:27:37.000 He's a wizard.

00:27:37.000 As far as him talking?

00:27:38.000 But I think...

00:27:40.000 So you've got to keep TJ active.

00:27:43.000 You've got to keep Dominic active.

00:27:44.000 But Dodson and TJ is a monster fight.

00:27:47.000 It's a motherfucker, for sure.

00:27:48.000 It's a monster fight.

00:27:49.000 But for the guy who's going to be left out and fighting a no-namer Ultimate Fighter winner is DJ. Yeah, that's weird.

00:27:58.000 Are you sure?

00:27:59.000 Is that definitely what's going to happen?

00:28:01.000 I'm almost positive.

00:28:03.000 We should always Google these things.

00:28:04.000 We should.

00:28:04.000 If we're arguing this fake point, let's find out if Demetrius Mighty Mouse Johnson will one day fight the winner of the Ultimate Final.

00:28:11.000 Maybe I'm just full of MCT or I'm making shit up.

00:28:13.000 But that'd be a weird thing to make up.

00:28:15.000 Usually I'm right on this stuff.

00:28:16.000 I feel like he does fight the next challenger.

00:28:19.000 It was vaguely familiar when you said it.

00:28:22.000 No.

00:28:23.000 I vaguely was like, is he...

00:28:24.000 Is that right?

00:28:25.000 I'm almost positive.

00:28:26.000 I believe you.

00:28:27.000 I believe you.

00:28:28.000 We'll find out.

00:28:29.000 Yeah.

00:28:30.000 You got it?

00:28:31.000 Is it, Jamie?

00:28:32.000 Demetrius Johnson isn't scared of Tough 24 winner's title shot.

00:28:36.000 I just don't care.

00:28:37.000 Wow.

00:28:38.000 So, yeah, so the winner gets that title shot.

00:28:40.000 Yeah, that seems crazy.

00:28:42.000 Like, I get it when you do that with girls, because there's seven of them.

00:28:45.000 Yeah.

00:28:45.000 But with these guys, is there any way we can help DJ out anymore?

00:28:49.000 You already fucked them on the Xbox deal.

00:28:50.000 Is there any way we can do something with them?

00:28:53.000 Man.

00:28:54.000 Yeah.

00:28:54.000 Oh, I think he's making money off of Twitch.

00:28:57.000 Is he making money from Twitch?

00:28:58.000 Oh yeah, he does play video games on there.

00:28:59.000 Well, he's a legit gamer.

00:29:01.000 Super gamer.

00:29:02.000 He's addicted to gaming.

00:29:03.000 I just don't think he gets the credit he deserves.

00:29:06.000 I tell every young fighter, you want to emulate someone?

00:29:09.000 Emulate this guy.

00:29:09.000 You better be tiny though.

00:29:11.000 Yeah, you gotta be tiny, but you can emulate a version of it at 170. You can emulate a version of what he's doing at 170. Yeah, but if frickin' the keto kid here's 17 at 6'4", 210 pounds, you can't be like, watch Mighty Mouse.

00:29:23.000 I'm like, ah, fuck.

00:29:24.000 You can't, but you can emulate a version of it like Rico Verhoeven.

00:29:28.000 Rico Verhoeven is very technical, has incredible cardio, and he's a fantastic kickboxer, and he's a big motherfucker.

00:29:36.000 He's fighting MMA now.

00:29:37.000 Yes, he is.

00:29:37.000 Good luck with that.

00:29:39.000 Good luck with all that.

00:29:39.000 As far as fighting him.

00:29:40.000 Jesus Christ.

00:29:41.000 And he's trained at AKA. Oh, fucking Christ.

00:29:43.000 Who the fuck's gonna...

00:29:44.000 What?

00:29:44.000 Small bugs?

00:29:45.000 The only problem with those guys is in the beginning of their career, they're susceptible to punches during takedown exchanges.

00:29:51.000 Remember when Randleman knocked out Krokop?

00:29:54.000 Do I ever.

00:29:55.000 Because Crow Cop was looking for the shot.

00:29:58.000 True.

00:29:58.000 And Randleman came at him with the punch and just leapt at him.

00:30:01.000 Well, they can't unleash their hands and the gloves are so small.

00:30:03.000 Like, you know, in kickboxing, you can get away with a little more or even glory or whatever.

00:30:07.000 Mm-hmm.

00:30:08.000 But, like, your boy Pat Schilling, right?

00:30:10.000 Like, he should be murk in some of these dudes.

00:30:12.000 Joe Schilling, you mean?

00:30:13.000 Joe Schilling, sorry.

00:30:14.000 Yeah, Pat Schilling.

00:30:15.000 I was like, who's this Pat fella?

00:30:17.000 I have a Pat, yeah.

00:30:18.000 But Joe Schilling, like, his stand-up, some of the best in the world.

00:30:21.000 You see him fight MMA, he can't fight the same.

00:30:24.000 He's worried about the takedown.

00:30:25.000 Yes, and so he's open to knockouts.

00:30:27.000 Yes.

00:30:27.000 So you'll see him get knocked out by a guy where you're like, dude, if there was no takedowns, he would fuck you up.

00:30:33.000 Yeah, 100%.

00:30:34.000 I feel like yelling that into the crowd.

00:30:36.000 Yeah.

00:30:36.000 Well, he's only doing that now, I think.

00:30:38.000 He's going straight kickboxing now.

00:30:40.000 It's smart, man.

00:30:41.000 Quit messing with MMA. He's in his 30s, too.

00:30:42.000 You're in your 30s.

00:30:43.000 The game, and it's full of grapplers.

00:30:45.000 No one's standing with your crazy ass.

00:30:47.000 Not only that, you might find yourself across the cage from some NCAA Division I national champion, and you are not stopping the takedown.

00:30:57.000 Not only you're not something, but he doesn't give a fuck about exciting fights.

00:31:01.000 He will ride you for 15 minutes and love every minute of it.

00:31:04.000 They don't care.

00:31:05.000 And smash your face with his elbows and you won't be able to get up.

00:31:07.000 I agree.

00:31:08.000 There's a big difference between standing up with someone where guys are used to slipping and moving and anticipating angles and someone literally holding your fucking face down and force-feeding you elbows.

00:31:19.000 And your head has nowhere to go.

00:31:21.000 Doom!

00:31:22.000 But also with Joe Schilling, it's more of like, I just don't see the payoff for it.

00:31:29.000 But also, there's not a lot of money in kickboxing, what he's doing.

00:31:31.000 I'm hoping Bellator brings it up, because they have Bellator kickboxing now.

00:31:34.000 And UFC now has Glory.

00:31:37.000 So the UFC has Glory.

00:31:38.000 Fight Pass, right?

00:31:38.000 Yeah, Fight Pass, they're carrying Glory.

00:31:40.000 ESPN is also carrying Glory.

00:31:41.000 I saw that.

00:31:43.000 They're smart, man.

00:31:44.000 It's a fucking awesome product.

00:31:46.000 It's just right now, people don't know about it.

00:31:48.000 You have to tell the guy's story.

00:31:50.000 That's the problem.

00:31:50.000 We need to be invested in these guys.

00:31:52.000 Tell fucking Joe Schilling's story.

00:31:54.000 It's great, man.

00:31:55.000 But we have to be invested and care about the guy fighting.

00:31:57.000 Otherwise, it's just two guys kickboxing.

00:31:59.000 I think if someone like HBO got a hold of it, if they did it the way they do HBO Boxing, If they had like a Simon Marcus versus Joe Schilling title fight, like two guys who have gone to war and have this crazy history behind them, where Marcus stopped him in one fight, and then Joe Schilling stopped Marcus in the fourth round of this insane fucking war,

00:32:19.000 were you there in LA for that fight?

00:32:21.000 I watched it.

00:32:22.000 I was not there in person.

00:32:23.000 I was supposed to go with you, actually.

00:32:24.000 Fucking Moogly.

00:32:25.000 When he uncorked that right hand and you see Simon Marcus go out, you're like, holy shit!

00:32:32.000 And it was in the fourth round.

00:32:33.000 There's that moment when these guys have to fight three rounds and if the fight is a draw, at the end of the third round they go to a final...

00:32:42.000 What do they call it?

00:32:45.000 Elimination round?

00:32:45.000 What would you call it?

00:32:46.000 Final elimination round?

00:32:47.000 You don't call it sudden death.

00:32:48.000 No, you can't.

00:32:48.000 That's tough.

00:32:49.000 That's rough.

00:32:50.000 Especially with the current death.

00:32:51.000 So they go to this one more round.

00:32:54.000 And in the one more round, you can see both guys.

00:32:56.000 They're exhausted.

00:32:57.000 They're so fucking tired.

00:32:59.000 And Simon Marcus had spit his mouthpiece out a couple times.

00:33:02.000 He got a point taken away from him for it.

00:33:05.000 And it was looking like Joe Schilling was going to probably win, so Simon Marcus is going after him.

00:33:10.000 And Joe Schilling just uncorks this beautiful right hook that just completely shuts the light out on Simon.

00:33:19.000 Think if HBO got a hold of that and did a 24-7?

00:33:21.000 Dude, they honeydicked me more than If they do a 24-7, I will buy anything.

00:33:27.000 I don't even know the two Mexican boxers, and I'm so invested.

00:33:30.000 I'm like, I can't wait.

00:33:31.000 I cannot wait.

00:33:32.000 They do a better job than anyone.

00:33:34.000 You can smell the tacos and hear the music, and you feel the family.

00:33:38.000 I know.

00:33:38.000 God, I want them to win.

00:33:40.000 They get good with those things, man.

00:33:41.000 They do it the best.

00:33:42.000 No one does it better than them.

00:33:43.000 You know what else they do that's good that I like?

00:33:44.000 When they do that thing where...

00:33:47.000 The face-offs with Max Kellerman?

00:33:49.000 Yeah, with Max, where they sit across the table and they both talk about...

00:33:53.000 It's tough if they don't speak English, though, because there's a delay.

00:33:56.000 There's a little bit of delay.

00:33:57.000 Like with Canelo and Khan, I was watching, like, well, okay.

00:34:01.000 You can see his earpiece.

00:34:02.000 It's a little tough.

00:34:03.000 How much English does Canelo know?

00:34:05.000 He doesn't know anything?

00:34:06.000 Not very good, yeah.

00:34:07.000 Not very good.

00:34:08.000 Weird.

00:34:09.000 Yeah.

00:34:09.000 The money's over here, right?

00:34:11.000 They all want to come over here for the money.

00:34:12.000 I would think you would just learn a little bit of English.

00:34:14.000 It makes sense.

00:34:16.000 Especially if you want to get big brands over here.

00:34:19.000 Those shows, though, like Showtime has those ones they did for Mayweather's fights.

00:34:23.000 What do they call them?

00:34:24.000 All Access?

00:34:24.000 All Access, yeah.

00:34:25.000 Yeah, those are big, man.

00:34:27.000 They're good, but they're just not the same, is it, as the original 24-7s?

00:34:31.000 Nothing can fuck with a 24-7.

00:34:33.000 UFC's done some pretty goddamn good ones.

00:34:35.000 Embedded, they're good.

00:34:36.000 Yeah.

00:34:37.000 They're good.

00:34:37.000 The one when Cowboy fought Rafael Dos Anjos.

00:34:41.000 Yeah, they're great.

00:34:42.000 Or like, yeah, the Ronda one.

00:34:43.000 They're good.

00:34:44.000 I'm with you, man.

00:34:45.000 You're batshit crazy.

00:34:46.000 You think it's better than HBO 24-7.

00:34:47.000 Where do you think they got the idea?

00:34:49.000 And that guy's voice, is it Lee Shriver's name?

00:34:51.000 Lee Shriver, yeah.

00:34:54.000 Let's steal that guy and bring him to the UFC. Yeah, who do they use for the UFC voice?

00:34:58.000 I don't know.

00:34:59.000 Yeah, that Liev Schreiber guy is weird because you don't recognize that it's his voice.

00:35:03.000 Because his voice is somewhat indistinctive in some weird way.

00:35:07.000 You know, like Liam Neeson.

00:35:09.000 If Liam Neeson was doing a voiceover for something, you would know it's Liam Neeson.

00:35:13.000 And that would kind of be distracting.

00:35:15.000 I agree.

00:35:16.000 But with Liev Schreiber, he's like, oh, this guy's smooth as fuck.

00:35:20.000 And he's like, god damn.

00:35:21.000 That's it.

00:35:22.000 That's all you get out of it.

00:35:22.000 I would do anything for that guy.

00:35:24.000 Literally, I don't even know him.

00:35:25.000 I'd do anything for him.

00:35:26.000 Yeah, that's all you get out of it is he's smooth.

00:35:29.000 Yeah, I mean, UFC could get someone else.

00:35:31.000 Even like a Morgan Freeman would be sick.

00:35:33.000 Well, that brings up the thing that's going on this week with Conor McGregor.

00:35:37.000 We got caught off guard last episode.

00:35:40.000 Jamie...

00:35:41.000 You and I were talking out of nowhere.

00:35:43.000 It was just breaking news.

00:35:44.000 And Jamie brought it up that Connor announced his retirement.

00:35:46.000 And I said, I thought he was trolling.

00:35:47.000 You and I had the exact same reaction.

00:35:49.000 I was like, he's trolling.

00:35:50.000 He's fucking around.

00:35:50.000 I was like, no, look at this.

00:35:51.000 It's all weird.

00:35:52.000 He'd be more...

00:35:54.000 Yeah, eloquent than that he'd be more people to put it out better than that but and then the news started coming out and I also started thinking well, maybe Maybe something happened in training or maybe it was because of that guy that died recently and People were saying, you know,

00:36:10.000 they were shocked that I didn't know the full details and the guy's death honestly With things like this, you know it's going to happen.

00:36:18.000 And it's unavoidable.

00:36:20.000 There's a certain amount of risk involved in any extreme sport.

00:36:25.000 Plus, that's the exception.

00:36:27.000 Yeah.

00:36:27.000 Yeah, it's going to happen.

00:36:28.000 That's the exception.

00:36:30.000 It is the exception.

00:36:30.000 That's like being mad at peanut butter when someone dies.

00:36:32.000 It's like, I'm still going to eat peanut butter, you know?

00:36:33.000 It is the exception.

00:36:34.000 But I was waiting for all the details to come out.

00:36:35.000 I don't think they've done an autopsy yet.

00:36:37.000 They don't think they know exactly what happened to them.

00:36:39.000 No, I don't either.

00:36:40.000 I didn't think that with Connor.

00:36:45.000 I don't think it's sharing too much information.

00:36:47.000 When Connor and I had lunch together, I was just talking about it, and he kept bringing up, it was a reoccurring theme, when we were talking, he goes, the media man, for this, it's such a beast.

00:36:55.000 He's like, I've done interviews before, but it's different.

00:36:58.000 He's not a guy where...

00:37:00.000 When any other fighters sit down and do an interview, they're really not selling the fight.

00:37:03.000 They're talking about their camp, and they're doing the same thing over and over.

00:37:06.000 Conor's a fucking master that we've never seen do it before.

00:37:09.000 So he's coming up with original content nonstop.

00:37:12.000 He's on.

00:37:13.000 When he came on our podcast, he did the whole car wash.

00:37:18.000 He was exhausted.

00:37:19.000 When we came down, you could tell him he was thinking and just started spitting out gold.

00:37:23.000 He's just a beast, man.

00:37:25.000 So to have that guy fly around the world and do all this shit, I mean, at the end of the day, we got to remember, this is a sport.

00:37:32.000 This is not the WWE. So to keep putting on the spectacle like it's similar to WWE, at some point, you got to say, man, what these guys do is it's a real, real...

00:37:42.000 We're in the hurt business.

00:37:43.000 He has to focus, man.

00:37:44.000 And I just feel like...

00:37:46.000 I think Conor's to blame too.

00:37:48.000 Dana's to blame.

00:37:49.000 I think both of them just need to talk.

00:37:51.000 Because if Conor before is bad playing on him, bad playing on Dana, if he just went, dude, listen, I've sold this fight more than anyone, man.

00:37:57.000 This is nuts.

00:37:59.000 If I lose this next fight, I'm screwed.

00:38:01.000 The problem is it sets a precedent now.

00:38:03.000 If I'm looking at it as a businessman.

00:38:06.000 If I was a businessman, let's pretend.

00:38:08.000 Okay.

00:38:09.000 I would say this sets a precedent.

00:38:10.000 You can't let someone decide what press they do and what press they don't do.

00:38:14.000 Like, you have an obligation to fulfill certain responsibilities, like with the media.

00:38:19.000 For sure.

00:38:20.000 Like, create hype.

00:38:21.000 But the question is...

00:38:24.000 When do those responsibilities move into, like, a purely digital realm?

00:38:29.000 And when do those responsibilities only in showing up places, physically, old school, retro, going places?

00:38:36.000 Because, like, there's nothing wrong with the occasional press conference, right?

00:38:40.000 No.

00:38:41.000 But also, you could accomplish way more with a few fucking viral videos than you ever could going to some...

00:38:47.000 Weird interview with two people that aren't MMA fans, and I think he made a really good point about that.

00:38:52.000 Doing these fucking morning shows that they make them go do, where nobody knows who the guy is or the girl.

00:38:58.000 They don't give a shit about MMA. They don't want to talk to him the way you want to talk to him or I want to talk to him.

00:39:03.000 You know, when I'm talking to Conor before a fight, I'm trying to find out what's going on in the head of a guy who's going to engage in one of the most exciting things that I'm going to see all year.

00:39:14.000 No, you're not going on a morning show going, how about that cauliflower?

00:39:16.000 How'd you get that?

00:39:17.000 Shut the fuck up.

00:39:18.000 The girls like that!

00:39:20.000 Oh, I know.

00:39:20.000 But Conor's a guy where he's crossed over into pop culture.

00:39:24.000 He's such a big star now.

00:39:25.000 A tweet from him will hype the fight.

00:39:27.000 I guarantee if Conor and Dana had a conversation and Dana was like, alright man, I understand it's a big fight.

00:39:32.000 Because you gotta remember, if you were to lose this one, now you're losing your golden boy.

00:39:35.000 The biggest star by far.

00:39:37.000 By far.

00:39:38.000 I also feel like...

00:39:39.000 So if he could just focus.

00:39:40.000 Let's just let him focus a little bit.

00:39:42.000 Well, I also feel like the magnitude of this...

00:39:45.000 The dilemma that's in front of him and Nate Diaz is also very apparent.

00:39:49.000 This is not a guy you can half-ass.

00:39:51.000 And even if you are 100% ready, you've never even fought him at 100%.

00:39:56.000 No.

00:39:57.000 You fought him when he had 11 days notice when he'd been drinking in Mexico.

00:40:00.000 I mean, he posted photos...

00:40:01.000 It's a terrible matchup, man.

00:40:02.000 And then you want to fly him on a plane.

00:40:04.000 Did anyone think...

00:40:06.000 Man, alright.

00:40:08.000 We're three months away, though.

00:40:10.000 Okay, but still, Conor's exhausted, man, from doing all this stuff.

00:40:13.000 And also, I see some fighters go, it's our obligation to do these press conferences.

00:40:19.000 Slow your roll, homie.

00:40:20.000 You're not Conor McGregor press conference.

00:40:22.000 That's a big difference.

00:40:24.000 And a loss to him, you're talking millions.

00:40:28.000 And the UFC, if I'm looking as a businessman, I go, alright, alright, man.

00:40:32.000 He's going to do a press conference, but we're going to come to him.

00:40:34.000 Did anyone think to do that?

00:40:36.000 Well, first of all, Conor is one of the most charismatic guys seriously of all time in all sports.

00:40:43.000 No doubt about it.

00:40:44.000 I mean, he is a fucking marketing machine.

00:40:46.000 Like, they're just the quotes and his style and the way his flair.

00:40:49.000 I don't mean to interrupt you, but his tweet is the biggest tweet by an athlete this year.

00:40:54.000 Beat Kobe Bryant's retirement tweet!

00:40:56.000 And you want him to go do a fucking interview for ESPN while they don't know the sport?

00:41:00.000 Oh, I watch ESPN every morning.

00:41:02.000 They were talking about LeBron James, the playoff game tonight.

00:41:04.000 They interrupted this shit with breaking news, talking about Conor's not retiring.

00:41:08.000 That's how big he is.

00:41:09.000 Now, the PR team at UFC could not get this.

00:41:12.000 They could not get this sort of attention, even if they want to.

00:41:16.000 Conor can.

00:41:16.000 It's a different age, man.

00:41:18.000 Those old interviews, those old press conferences, you have a legit fucking superstar man who makes more money than anyone.

00:41:25.000 The highest gates.

00:41:26.000 Totally forgot what I was going to say.

00:41:27.000 I had a serious point.

00:41:28.000 Sorry, brother.

00:41:29.000 It's okay.

00:41:30.000 Sometimes I just go.

00:41:31.000 You have all good points.

00:41:33.000 All valid points.

00:41:35.000 And I get there's contracts.

00:41:35.000 I get stuff like that.

00:41:36.000 But there has to be where you can't have a pissing contest.

00:41:39.000 You can't say, well, we're going to run it like a business this time and then not this time because it's good for the company.

00:41:43.000 With Conor McGregor and this big of a fight, if he wins this, dude, you know how much more money you're going to make?

00:41:49.000 Not the fucking press conference.

00:41:51.000 Well, you're absolutely right.

00:41:53.000 He's one of the most charismatic guys of all time.

00:41:55.000 But...

00:41:56.000 Nate Diaz right now is goddamn gigantic.

00:41:59.000 Not as big as Conor.

00:42:00.000 He's not as big as Conor.

00:42:01.000 Not even close.

00:42:02.000 But he's goddamn gigantic.

00:42:03.000 He's huge.

00:42:05.000 See what happens if Conor doesn't fight.

00:42:07.000 That's part of that fight.

00:42:08.000 Part of that fight is that Conor is also fighting another mercurial superstar character.

00:42:14.000 I agree.

00:42:15.000 Especially now, after the first fight.

00:42:17.000 I agree, Joe, but let's say Conor doesn't fight at USC 200 and let's say Nate fights Woodley or Robbie Lawler.

00:42:23.000 Let me know how those ratings go.

00:42:25.000 Let me know if you even break.

00:42:26.000 He's not going to fight at 170, I don't think.

00:42:27.000 Alright, let's say at 155, let's say he fights Dos Anjos.

00:42:30.000 Let me know how those ratings go.

00:42:32.000 It won't be as close.

00:42:33.000 It wouldn't even be a quarter of it.

00:42:36.000 I wonder.

00:42:36.000 It'd be close.

00:42:37.000 Maybe half.

00:42:38.000 Well, half makes sense, though.

00:42:40.000 Maybe half.

00:42:40.000 Half makes sense, but half would still be pretty spectacular.

00:42:43.000 You know what?

00:42:44.000 Not even half.

00:42:44.000 I'm being generous.

00:42:46.000 I love Nate Diaz.

00:42:46.000 He's the biggest.

00:42:47.000 There's no doubt about it.

00:42:48.000 He's the biggest.

00:42:50.000 Yeah, well, who knows?

00:42:51.000 It's all speculation, but here's what's interesting.

00:42:53.000 They offered the fight, apparently, to Nurmagomedov, but he can't take it because it's only four days after Ramadan.

00:43:00.000 Yeah.

00:43:01.000 So he's very religious.

00:43:02.000 So he does that whole fasting.

00:43:04.000 I had a buddy of mine, my friend Khan Kalele from back in Boston.

00:43:07.000 He used to do that shit when he was training.

00:43:11.000 He would do that.

00:43:12.000 He would fast when he was training.

00:43:14.000 It was crazy.

00:43:16.000 You have certain rules where you're not allowed to eat anything.

00:43:19.000 How does it go?

00:43:20.000 You're not allowed to eat anything or drink anything?

00:43:22.000 Sun up, sun down, right?

00:43:23.000 Yeah, sun up, sun down.

00:43:24.000 I have buddies who do it.

00:43:25.000 There's no food or water.

00:43:26.000 Sun up, sun down.

00:43:28.000 That's crazy.

00:43:28.000 And at like 6 p.m.

00:43:29.000 they have this feast.

00:43:30.000 Yeah, but it can weaken you.

00:43:32.000 And so Habib said it would be a real problem if you had to fight four or five rounds.

00:43:36.000 And I get it.

00:43:36.000 And I would love to see that fight.

00:43:38.000 Habib Nagamurdov versus Nate Diaz.

00:43:40.000 Nagamurdov.

00:43:41.000 Nagamurdov.

00:43:41.000 He's such a beast, right?

00:43:42.000 He's phenomenal.

00:43:43.000 Yeah.

00:43:45.000 To us who are balls deep in the UFC world.

00:43:47.000 Yes.

00:43:47.000 No, you're right.

00:43:48.000 ESPN ain't covering that fight.

00:43:50.000 Dude, you should start a promotion.

00:43:51.000 Look at you.

00:43:51.000 You're a goddamn promoter.

00:43:52.000 You know how to do this.

00:43:53.000 I'm not.

00:43:54.000 I've been through it, and when I see a guy like Conor who comes in once in a lifetime, if you think there's gonna be another Conor McGregor, you're batshit crazy.

00:44:00.000 I think when we invest in...

00:44:02.000 Ah, it's the UFC. They keep going.

00:44:03.000 I think you're crazy.

00:44:03.000 I think Conor's a special dude.

00:44:05.000 And I think there's a few others.

00:44:07.000 I think Brock Lesnar was.

00:44:08.000 I think Ronda is.

00:44:09.000 There's very few players.

00:44:10.000 Is it possible that this is a calculated gamble based on not thinking he has enough time to prepare for Nate?

00:44:18.000 No.

00:44:18.000 I don't think so.

00:44:19.000 Impossible.

00:44:20.000 So this is just a matter of...

00:44:23.000 Digging your heels into the ground and saying, there's no way I can do this much.

00:44:28.000 100%.

00:44:29.000 I think he's just like, dude, I'm exhausted.

00:44:30.000 You want me to go on this world tour?

00:44:31.000 Can I please get ready for this?

00:44:33.000 It's not the WWE, man.

00:44:35.000 Go ask a major superstar, LeBron, and I know it's not the same, but LeBron, any of these guys, these superstars in sports, Ronaldo, go on these world tours, not get paid, sell the fight, but my social media will cover way more than this.

00:44:51.000 Go fuck yourself.

00:44:52.000 But we have no one fighting.

00:44:53.000 He can't say anything.

00:44:55.000 You say anything, look, he got pulled from the card.

00:44:57.000 So more is not better.

00:45:00.000 There's a certain amount.

00:45:01.000 There's a certain amount you do.

00:45:02.000 At a certain amount, you're doing it for the UFC. You're not doing it for the Conor McGregor brand.

00:45:06.000 You're not doing it for the fighters brand.

00:45:07.000 You think by him going to ESPN, he's going to get, what, more followers?

00:45:11.000 Would you think that there's a certain consideration that it looks good to have fighters show up on ESPN? He's been there.

00:45:19.000 He's on breaking news.

00:45:21.000 He's been doing it.

00:45:22.000 Maybe the week before, do it.

00:45:24.000 But when he wants to prepare for a camp, and you have a guy of his magnitude coming off a loss, and he's like, man, I really think doing all this press and all this stuff is fucked with my capabilities to be a fighter.

00:45:34.000 I need to get back to that.

00:45:35.000 Will you please let me focus?

00:45:36.000 Makes sense.

00:45:37.000 And I've already hyped the fight.

00:45:38.000 It totally makes sense.

00:45:39.000 Well, you can't have exceptions.

00:45:40.000 No, motherfucker, you can.

00:45:42.000 Because you do make exceptions.

00:45:43.000 Because you have certain people in the UFC roster where they pick and choose when they fight or who they fight.

00:45:49.000 There are exceptions.

00:45:50.000 Right.

00:45:50.000 And here's another thing to take into consideration.

00:45:52.000 One of the most important things that any athlete does while they're in training is get proper rest.

00:45:58.000 It's one of the most important things.

00:46:00.000 And what fucks up when you go traveling all the time?

00:46:02.000 Your rest.

00:46:03.000 It's the number one thing that wrecks you.

00:46:05.000 I mean, think how much you travel.

00:46:06.000 Dude, I just flew in from Seattle this morning.

00:46:09.000 I got up at five this morning, flew here, got right off the plane and drove right in here.

00:46:14.000 Yeah, that's what happens, man.

00:46:16.000 Your immune system gets jacked from that.

00:46:19.000 It's not good.

00:46:19.000 I think this is great for the sport.

00:46:22.000 It's a good discussion to have because now future superstars will say, all right, I'm only doing this many interviews this much before the fight.

00:46:27.000 Doing all this ain't going to happen.

00:46:29.000 Maybe there's a debate.

00:46:30.000 Maybe the debate could be held as to what's the amount that you need to do and what's the amount that you should do.

00:46:37.000 How do you have it set up and what would be the best way for the performance of the athlete, the consideration of their time and focus to put 100% effort into something, not leave anything on the table because they really weren't rested enough or distracted too much because they were doing too much press?

00:46:56.000 But who's at help in the end?

00:46:57.000 The UFC and Dana White?

00:46:59.000 Well, it helps pay-per-view.

00:47:00.000 If they have pay-per-view buys and they get a percentage of the buys, it increases pay-per-view buys.

00:47:04.000 It helps everyone.

00:47:04.000 It helps everyone, but...

00:47:05.000 Right, but if the fighter...

00:47:06.000 I mean, there should be a direct...

00:47:08.000 If a fighter has a percentage of pay-per-view, which a guy like Conor does, the more pay-per-view deals, or maybe he does at a title fight, we don't know what his deal is.

00:47:17.000 So I'm talking out of my ass.

00:47:18.000 He gets pay-per-view buys for sure.

00:47:19.000 I would assume.

00:47:20.000 No matter what.

00:47:20.000 I would assume.

00:47:21.000 Yes.

00:47:22.000 So the more press he does, the more things get sold, the more money he makes.

00:47:28.000 But...

00:47:29.000 In his point of view, tweets and things that he's doing right now are getting more attention to it than any of these stupid interviews.

00:47:36.000 You couldn't pay for this kind of publicity.

00:47:38.000 And you can't argue with that.

00:47:39.000 That's absolutely true.

00:47:41.000 But the question is, there should be a contract, and the contract should state From X to Y, you know, pick a date and time, I would be left alone.

00:47:52.000 If USADA wants to get me, I'll be up in Iceland, freezing my dick off, throwing sidekicks, come get me.

00:47:58.000 See, I think this whole thing is a miscommunication.

00:48:02.000 I see Dana's side, and I see Conor's side, right?

00:48:04.000 As a fighter, I definitely see Conor's side.

00:48:06.000 I think it's just a miscommunication.

00:48:07.000 I think if before all this came out, if Conor was like, listen, man, I can't be doing all this fucking press.

00:48:10.000 I guarantee if Dana was sitting right there, it would be no miscommunication.

00:48:14.000 I don't think he would agree that it was a miscommunication.

00:48:17.000 I think he would say that Conor just doesn't want to do the press.

00:48:20.000 And I think that he would say you've got to do the press.

00:48:23.000 And to me that's a miscommunication.

00:48:25.000 But I don't think it's a miscommunication.

00:48:26.000 It's a disagreement.

00:48:27.000 No, I disagree.

00:48:29.000 And this is why, Joe.

00:48:31.000 Because I think even though he fought Aldo, he expressed, dude, I need to chill out in these interviews.

00:48:37.000 He beats Nate Diaz, or he loses Nate Diaz.

00:48:41.000 Again, he's like, dude, this fucking press is killing me.

00:48:43.000 So he's been voicing it.

00:48:45.000 I don't know if his camp has had the discussion with Dana, but at some point...

00:48:49.000 Maybe they haven't.

00:48:50.000 We don't know.

00:48:51.000 Maybe they haven't.

00:48:52.000 There's total speculation.

00:48:52.000 We would say that they would have to sit down and come up with a schedule.

00:48:55.000 Like, you've got to leave me alone for eight weeks.

00:48:57.000 But what if...

00:49:00.000 Dana and Conor had a conversation right now, man to man, and Conor goes, listen, what I'll do, I'll film videos every day, I'll do this after my practices, I'll put all this social media out for you guys to create this fight.

00:49:12.000 No one has the pull that I do.

00:49:13.000 And I can create this many views for you, millions and millions.

00:49:17.000 No other fighter can.

00:49:18.000 Don't pay me for it, just don't make me travel.

00:49:20.000 You don't think Dana and the UFC would agree to any of this?

00:49:22.000 I bet they'd be open to it.

00:49:24.000 You know, it's interesting.

00:49:26.000 Kevin Hart, he was, like, one of the biggest stars in the world.

00:49:28.000 One of the biggest comedians ever, as far as, like, sales and volume.

00:49:33.000 Like, no one even close.

00:49:35.000 I mean, he crushes it.

00:49:36.000 He sells out, like, what did he sell?

00:49:38.000 Like, 50,000 plus seats?

00:49:40.000 Soldier Field.

00:49:41.000 It's nuts.

00:49:41.000 Anyway, that's not important.

00:49:43.000 What's important is, he's...

00:49:47.000 He's like gigantic on social media, super active, and he does it all himself.

00:49:52.000 So if he does a movie, like he'll do a movie, and they'll say, oh great, and you can use your 5.8 million social media followers, and it'll boost up the movie.

00:50:03.000 And it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, that's mine.

00:50:06.000 That's mine.

00:50:07.000 No, if you want that, we've got to talk about that.

00:50:09.000 He's the first guy I've heard doing that, too.

00:50:11.000 Dude, all the people that were in those movie meetings must have been like, oh, shit.

00:50:16.000 Because then The Rock goes, huh?

00:50:18.000 Yeah, because there's a giant difference between a guy like...

00:50:23.000 The Rock, like, what he can do to sell a movie with social media and the average person, the average actor.

00:50:30.000 I mean, he's constantly on it.

00:50:32.000 He has a dedicated, loyal fan base because he's really funny and self-deprecating.

00:50:37.000 He's great.

00:50:37.000 I follow his ass.

00:50:37.000 Works hard.

00:50:38.000 So he's showing pictures of his alarm clock.

00:50:40.000 It says, like, 4.15 in the morning.

00:50:41.000 He's up there fucking doing deadlifts.

00:50:43.000 He's an animal, right?

00:50:45.000 So a guy like that, that's a business on the side.

00:50:48.000 That's his, like...

00:50:50.000 He's got a hype business as well as a business to promote himself, but he can also hype things.

00:50:58.000 Products, whatever he wants.

00:50:59.000 He can make money off that, which he is.

00:51:01.000 Kevin Hart, when he does that, I'm sure he's got it worked.

00:51:03.000 He was talking about it.

00:51:04.000 He's got it worked into movies now.

00:51:05.000 So it's like, oh, if you want a part of the Kevin Hart money machine that I put together, well, you've got to give me something, bitch.

00:51:12.000 Why should it not be any different?

00:51:13.000 You're right.

00:51:14.000 You're right in that respect.

00:51:15.000 As a superstar.

00:51:17.000 Now, not every fighter can pull that card.

00:51:19.000 You legitimately have to be able to sell out giant stadiums and be a superstar.

00:51:24.000 Yeah, and he certainly can.

00:51:26.000 Especially if you give him the right matchups.

00:51:28.000 You know, if you give Conor the right matchup at 145, I think...

00:51:32.000 Honestly, I mean, I'm excited about this Nate Diaz fight because I like watching them fight.

00:51:37.000 I like watching Nate Diaz fight.

00:51:38.000 Love Nate.

00:51:38.000 And I love the attention he's getting.

00:51:40.000 But if I was in Conor's camp, I mean, I understand that he's obsessed and he wants to get right back at it.

00:51:45.000 I would say, go fight Frankie Edgar.

00:51:49.000 Go fight Max Holloway.

00:51:51.000 Have a rematch with Max Holloway.

00:51:53.000 That shit would be epic.

00:51:54.000 I agree.

00:51:54.000 If Aldo, whoever Aldo does it, you know, they mix it all up, fight a rematch with Aldo.

00:51:59.000 Aldo's been talking mad shit about him.

00:52:01.000 Mm-hmm.

00:52:02.000 I think Aldo genuinely believes that he fucked up, and if he gets a hold of this dude this time, he can punish him.

00:52:08.000 Which is an awesome fight and an awesome story.

00:52:10.000 I want to see it!

00:52:11.000 I want to see it!

00:52:12.000 But Connors can't think those fights are still going to be there if he loses Nate Diaz.

00:52:15.000 I think it takes some of the star power away.

00:52:18.000 A lot of the star power already got taken away.

00:52:19.000 It's too much of a risk.

00:52:20.000 It's way too much of a risk.

00:52:21.000 The star power got taken away in that second fight.

00:52:23.000 Not 100%.

00:52:24.000 Not 100%.

00:52:25.000 He's still the biggest draw.

00:52:26.000 But he was an assassin before that fight.

00:52:30.000 Untouchable.

00:52:31.000 Floyd Mayweather-esque.

00:52:32.000 There was something going on.

00:52:33.000 I agree.

00:52:33.000 When he flatlined Aldo with one punch and then did it like it was nothing and smiled, and I was talking to him in the interview, and he's just saying, you know, no power, no power.

00:52:42.000 Just put it right where it's been.

00:52:44.000 You've never seen anything like it.

00:52:45.000 Yeah, I mean, the way he gobbled up the pressure and the way he controlled the shit-talking.

00:52:49.000 This is the thing, Joe.

00:52:50.000 We've never had a guy of his capabilities and his mass appeal go, man, I don't want to do this.

00:52:57.000 Like, everyone else is jumping through these hoops.

00:52:59.000 I want to fucking train, man.

00:53:00.000 This is ridiculous.

00:53:01.000 I'm already big enough.

00:53:02.000 We've never had a guy really do this.

00:53:03.000 He's also a guy where I think if he wanted to...

00:53:07.000 If he was involved with the UFC, let's say Dana, which would never happen.

00:53:11.000 Cut goes, go do what the fuck you want.

00:53:12.000 I'm sick you.

00:53:12.000 Go do what you want.

00:53:13.000 He could sell out a giant arena in Dublin against Donna 5000 every Saturday.

00:53:18.000 That's how powerful he is.

00:53:19.000 That's what I think.

00:53:19.000 Literally make and just make more and more money.

00:53:21.000 Well, I don't know about that because I think part of the excitement about him was building up to that Aldo fight.

00:53:26.000 That was part of the man who would be king story.

00:53:30.000 Was that he was going to fight the longtime king.

00:53:32.000 And when he flatlined the longtime king, He reached this level of legendary popularity that happens once in a hundred generations when it comes with fighters.

00:53:42.000 There's this moment, this boom.

00:53:46.000 How many guys reached that moment?

00:53:48.000 Like when he flatlined Aldo with one punch and then it was in 13 seconds and the whole world was like...

00:53:53.000 He fucking did it.

00:53:54.000 The answer is none.

00:53:54.000 He fucking did it.

00:53:55.000 Yes, it's fucking crazy.

00:53:56.000 Yeah, that was epic.

00:53:58.000 But the luster gets taken off by the Nate Diaz fight.

00:54:02.000 And if he loses to Nate Diaz, he's got a very good point that, you know, he can't lose because he wasn't given the right amount of opportunity to present or to prepare himself because he had to do all this press shit.

00:54:14.000 Like right now, the Conor McGregor fight.

00:54:16.000 Fan base and guys hugging his nuts, which I might be one of them, but they're going, well, Nate Diaz is way bigger, and he kind of caught him off guard.

00:54:25.000 And there's a little asterisk, I guess, if you're this Conor guy.

00:54:28.000 Well, now, if he loses again, there's no more excuses.

00:54:32.000 We're kind of fucked.

00:54:33.000 There's no asterisk.

00:54:33.000 Nate had 11 days to prepare.

00:54:35.000 I'm not saying that.

00:54:35.000 I'm saying you could.

00:54:36.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:54:37.000 I'm not saying there is.

00:54:38.000 Nate straight up beat him with 11 days to prepare and sipping Coronas on a boat and came and whipped his ass.

00:54:42.000 I thought Nate was going to beat him just by, first of all, the size and length and deceptive boxing skills.

00:54:49.000 That's what I thought.

00:54:50.000 I was like, this is going to be the first guy that Conor's ever fought that's been in wars with legends.

00:54:57.000 I mean, he's been in there with a lot of fucking super high-level dudes.

00:55:01.000 He's a monster, man.

00:55:02.000 He's a monster.

00:55:03.000 I'm like, this is a big, big fight.

00:55:05.000 And this is not a fight you want to take, even if he's not ready on 11 days' notice.

00:55:08.000 You've got to get ready for this dude.

00:55:09.000 And his jiu-jitsu's off the chain, man.

00:55:12.000 His jiu-jitsu is at a super high level.

00:55:14.000 And he's a chin.

00:55:14.000 And he's bigger than Conor.

00:55:16.000 There couldn't be a worse matchup right now.

00:55:17.000 And he spars with Andre Ward, world champion, and Joe Schilling on a regular basis.

00:55:22.000 I know, man.

00:55:22.000 And his brother, Nick.

00:55:23.000 I know.

00:55:24.000 Gilbert Melendez, Jake Shields.

00:55:26.000 No joke.

00:55:27.000 No joke.

00:55:28.000 Dangerous fucking fight, man.

00:55:29.000 It's horrible.

00:55:30.000 It stresses me out.

00:55:30.000 It's a fucking dangerous fight.

00:55:32.000 But the guy who we're not talking about in all this is Nate Diaz.

00:55:35.000 Because even though if Nate Diaz, and you guys can say whatever you want, UFC 200 is still going to be dope.

00:55:39.000 I get that.

00:55:40.000 That's all fun and dandy for the absolute fans.

00:55:43.000 If there's no Conor, Nate doesn't make the same payday.

00:55:45.000 So he gets fucked, man.

00:55:47.000 You're right.

00:55:47.000 And I want to see a guy like, the dues that Nate has paid.

00:55:50.000 And remember, the Diaz brothers were the first guys to go, no, fuck that, man.

00:55:54.000 I don't think it should be done that way.

00:55:55.000 And you got to appreciate that, man.

00:55:56.000 In a land full of fucking sheep, they were the first kind of wolves to go, no, fuck that, man.

00:56:00.000 This ain't right.

00:56:01.000 Well, they're also the first guys to put a ridiculous emphasis on extreme cardio.

00:56:06.000 Yes, and it shows them their style.

00:56:09.000 Yeah, I mean, like, Nick doing marathons and triathlons, and I was, it's funny, I keep quoting this, and Nick corrected me the other day.

00:56:17.000 I said that he swam back from Alcatraz twice.

00:56:20.000 He just corrected me the other day, he goes, five times now.

00:56:23.000 It's fucking nuts.

00:56:24.000 Five times!

00:56:25.000 He swam from Alcatraz to the fucking mainland.

00:56:29.000 They didn't think you could do that.

00:56:30.000 They didn't think it was possible.

00:56:32.000 That's why they put a prison there.

00:56:33.000 Because they didn't think people could swim.

00:56:35.000 This motherfucker is a stoner.

00:56:38.000 And an athlete.

00:56:39.000 He's not even a prisoner.

00:56:41.000 Don't lock that dude.

00:56:42.000 I was going to swim right the fuck out.

00:56:44.000 If you have a bunch of guys like him in prison.

00:56:46.000 But how crazy are people these days?

00:56:49.000 They're doing things for recreation.

00:56:51.000 Oh my god.

00:56:51.000 The only guy who could bring Nate Diaz money is George St. Pierre.

00:56:56.000 George St. Pierre.

00:56:57.000 Yeah, I agree.

00:56:57.000 Now, I think we might be getting honeydicked if George St. Pierre does happen to just show up at UFC 200. It's like, wait a second.

00:57:03.000 Well, George has openly said that he wants to go to a camp and decide whether or not he can do it at the end of it.

00:57:09.000 He's done it.

00:57:10.000 Did he go through the prep camp?

00:57:12.000 That's what I heard.

00:57:13.000 When did you hear this?

00:57:14.000 You got the inside scoop, dog.

00:57:15.000 I mean, I know he's been training a shitload.

00:57:18.000 And I know he doesn't care about belts or anything.

00:57:20.000 He just wants to take the fight.

00:57:21.000 You know what the holdup is?

00:57:22.000 What?

00:57:22.000 Reebok.

00:57:25.000 That's awful.

00:57:28.000 Well, your George St. Pierre is sponsored by Under Armour, and then how many fights do you have?

00:57:31.000 And Reebok's like, yeah, here's whatever, 50 grand, where are these Reebok pumps?

00:57:35.000 He's like, what the fuck?

00:57:36.000 No, man, I'm George St. Pierre.

00:57:38.000 So he's saying either the UFC has to make up for it in his purse, or Reebok has to make up for it.

00:57:43.000 So I think it's a money thing right now.

00:57:45.000 Really?

00:57:46.000 That's what you hear?

00:57:47.000 Is this an inside scoop?

00:57:48.000 I don't know, man.

00:57:49.000 I think we just scooped the shit out of this story.

00:57:51.000 I don't know.

00:57:51.000 That's what I hear.

00:57:52.000 Well, I've been hearing rumblings of negotiations.

00:57:56.000 But, you know, it's one of those things you don't want to hope.

00:57:59.000 You want to just wait.

00:58:00.000 But also...

00:58:01.000 He's the only guy who can save the card.

00:58:03.000 Well, he would most certainly save the card.

00:58:06.000 Oh, my God.

00:58:07.000 You know what would be crazy...

00:58:10.000 Would be him and Connor.

00:58:13.000 I mean, that's fucking nuts.

00:58:15.000 Him and Connor at Madison Square Garden?

00:58:18.000 There's not enough seats there.

00:58:20.000 No.

00:58:20.000 They'd be full of just fucking...

00:58:22.000 GSP versus Connor.

00:58:23.000 It'd look like the Oscars.

00:58:24.000 It'd just be a crowd full of celebrities.

00:58:26.000 Regular folk couldn't afford the tickets.

00:58:27.000 Especially if you'd get angry GSP. GSP that wanted to punish BJ Penn, GSP? I think it's going to be tough to bring him out.

00:58:35.000 You talking about Rush?

00:58:37.000 You talking about Rush?

00:58:38.000 Yeah.

00:58:38.000 Yeah, man.

00:58:39.000 He was a motherfucker.

00:58:40.000 Oh, GSP was one of the weirder guys because he was such a nice guy at all times.

00:58:46.000 But when guys fucked with him, there was this switch that would go off in that head and he would go on seek and destroy mode.

00:58:53.000 And he was so good at it, man.

00:58:55.000 When he fucked up BJ, he fucked up Fitch.

00:58:58.000 You watch those fights and you just go, that is arguably the greatest welterweight of all time.

00:59:04.000 I agree.

00:59:05.000 I mean, his ability to mix up the strikes and the takedowns.

00:59:09.000 We never knew what the fuck was going on.

00:59:10.000 His constant victories and the scrambles.

00:59:14.000 And the BJ fight, too, where he was punishing BJ. He wanted to punish him.

00:59:18.000 And when he beat him down and didn't stop him, and then walked over to the wall and fucking punched it afterwards.

00:59:24.000 That's the motherfucker that we need.

00:59:26.000 Now, does he come back, or do we get that safe GSP? Because a safe GSP versus Conor, I'm not trying to see that.

00:59:32.000 There's a long time gone.

00:59:34.000 Who knows?

00:59:35.000 Who knows?

00:59:36.000 We're talking about GSP and BJ Penn's coming back, too.

00:59:40.000 Yeah, well, I'm excited to see what that looks like.

00:59:44.000 BJ's fighting Dennis Seaver, and he's been at Jackson Winklejohn's camp for quite a while now.

00:59:49.000 So I'm assuming they're not letting him cut any corners.

00:59:52.000 Oh, no.

00:59:53.000 They're really running him through the real paces.

00:59:54.000 Yeah, if you're at Jackson's, there's no cutting corners.

00:59:57.000 If you do, you're just getting your ass mollywhopped in there.

00:59:59.000 You wouldn't be there that long.

01:00:00.000 Right.

01:00:00.000 You'd get back on a plane and go home.

01:00:01.000 And why would he...

01:00:02.000 I mean, he's been living out there for quite a while now.

01:00:05.000 From Hawaii to Albuquerque?

01:00:06.000 He'd better be pretty legit.

01:00:08.000 GSP negotiating UFC return, but Reebok deal considered as a roadblock.

01:00:12.000 There's a story.

01:00:13.000 Hmm.

01:00:15.000 Yeah, man, I don't know.

01:00:16.000 Just, this whole thing bums me out.

01:00:20.000 It's complicated.

01:00:21.000 Yeah, we'll see.

01:00:21.000 We'll see what happens.

01:00:23.000 But man, that would be the 200 to end it.

01:00:26.000 Well, I think you save him for a masculine square garden.

01:00:28.000 Fuck 200. Do you think that would be Nate versus GSP if Conor doesn't do the card?

01:00:31.000 So Conor's not on the card anymore.

01:00:33.000 Well, today he said, I'm down to fight.

01:00:35.000 He even goes, I will fly to New York and do a press conference, but then I gotta go back.

01:00:39.000 So he's giving a little wiggle room.

01:00:41.000 I think it's time to drop the egos, come to an agreement, and save 200 and let Conor fight Nate.

01:00:46.000 Wait a minute, is Brendan Schaub the reasonable one?

01:00:49.000 No.

01:00:49.000 How is this possible?

01:00:50.000 Dude, how is this possible?

01:00:52.000 This fucking ketogenic diet!

01:00:53.000 The Keto Kid!

01:00:54.000 He's super positive!

01:00:56.000 He's clear-minded!

01:00:58.000 I like everyone!

01:01:01.000 Alright.

01:01:02.000 Is that Dana attacks?

01:01:03.000 Yeah, man.

01:01:04.000 It'd be interesting.

01:01:05.000 It'd be interesting.

01:01:06.000 We'll see if he can work it out.

01:01:07.000 I hope so, man.

01:01:08.000 We'll see.

01:01:10.000 He's a fun guy, man.

01:01:11.000 It's made it fun, though.

01:01:12.000 Stylistically, though.

01:01:13.000 You can't pay for this publicity.

01:01:14.000 Stylistically, that's not a good fight for him.

01:01:16.000 Nightmare.

01:01:16.000 Yeah, I'm nervous for him.

01:01:17.000 It's not a good fight for him.

01:01:18.000 And I'm happy for Nate.

01:01:18.000 Like, I like both guys.

01:01:19.000 I'm happy for Nate.

01:01:20.000 He's finally getting the credit he deserves.

01:01:22.000 He's coming out of his brother's shadow.

01:01:23.000 Like, we want this, man.

01:01:25.000 To be announced.

01:01:26.000 To be determined.

01:01:27.000 To be determined.

01:01:27.000 That is the big fight.

01:01:29.000 See, that rest of the card, don't get me wrong.

01:01:31.000 There's some phenomenal...

01:01:32.000 Are you kidding me?

01:01:33.000 Phenomenal fights.

01:01:33.000 It's an amazing card.

01:01:35.000 Look at this.

01:01:35.000 Look what's on the card here.

01:01:36.000 First of all, Aldo versus Edgar.

01:01:39.000 I can't wait for that.

01:01:41.000 I can't wait for that.

01:01:43.000 I want to see what Frankie can do now, the new and improved Frankie.

01:01:45.000 Me too.

01:01:46.000 And then Aldo, I feel like, has declined a little bit.

01:01:49.000 I think the Chad Mendes fight, the second fight...

01:01:51.000 He didn't look as good as he had looked in the past, and then obviously he's coming off of a big loss.

01:01:56.000 That's my favorite fight of all time.

01:01:57.000 It's a great fight.

01:01:58.000 And Tate versus Nunes?

01:02:00.000 Come on, son.

01:02:01.000 Jesus Christ.

01:02:02.000 It's not a needle mover, but yeah, it's a fun one.

01:02:03.000 It's a needle mover in my mind.

01:02:05.000 My needle's moving right now.

01:02:07.000 My meat always moves for Tate.

01:02:10.000 In my mind.

01:02:11.000 Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

01:02:12.000 That's what we're talking about, bro.

01:02:14.000 Okay, so that's a good fight.

01:02:15.000 That's a very good fight.

01:02:16.000 Nunes is super dangerous, especially in the early rounds.

01:02:19.000 Hell yeah.

01:02:19.000 She tends to tire a little bit.

01:02:20.000 She tends to tire a little bit.

01:02:22.000 She blows it out.

01:02:23.000 But goddamn, she's got some pop.

01:02:25.000 She's got a serious right hand.

01:02:26.000 Real dangerous Muay Thai.

01:02:28.000 Then you got Travis versus Kane.

01:02:30.000 That's a motherfucker of a fight.

01:02:32.000 For heavyweight?

01:02:33.000 That's a motherfucker.

01:02:35.000 Damn, that's interesting.

01:02:36.000 The thing to me with Kane, it's like, at what point do all these injuries and him come back, at what point do we see him age?

01:02:43.000 Like we've seen Rashad, right, come back from injuries?

01:02:45.000 Rashad doesn't look the same.

01:02:47.000 There's sometimes when guys come back, you're like, ah, fuck, that's not the same guy anymore.

01:02:50.000 At what point do we see Kane not come back?

01:02:53.000 It's true.

01:02:53.000 But Kane's a motherfucker.

01:02:55.000 If he does come back, good luck.

01:02:56.000 But again, stylistic-wise, Travis Brown's a motherfucker for him.

01:03:00.000 Great takedown defense, obviously great at striking, and he's huge.

01:03:04.000 He's a big boy.

01:03:05.000 He's a big boy.

01:03:06.000 Explosive too.

01:03:06.000 Very fast.

01:03:07.000 Very good striking.

01:03:09.000 Long, wide base.

01:03:10.000 Good footwork and movement.

01:03:12.000 Hits hard.

01:03:13.000 That's a good fight.

01:03:14.000 It's a real good fight.

01:03:15.000 I didn't think he looked great in the Mitrione fight.

01:03:18.000 No, that wasn't the best fight for him.

01:03:20.000 But neither was the Arlovsky fight.

01:03:24.000 That was a more disappointing fight, I think, for him.

01:03:26.000 When he got knocked out.

01:03:27.000 Yeah.

01:03:27.000 But even the Trash Brown one.

01:03:29.000 It went down.

01:03:30.000 Even in the Mitrione one, because we saw him for longer rounds.

01:03:33.000 I was like, meh.

01:03:34.000 Not crazy.

01:03:35.000 And then you get a guy like Kane, man.

01:03:37.000 You're talking about a different motherfucker.

01:03:38.000 The Travis Brown-Mittreone fight was just so unfortunate because the eye pokes.

01:03:42.000 I agree.

01:03:42.000 It was so fucking unfortunate.

01:03:43.000 Matt was doing well in the first round and we got poked in the eye.

01:03:45.000 It was a little tough.

01:03:46.000 It was bad, man.

01:03:47.000 I mean, his eye was horrific after the fight.

01:03:48.000 Oh, the way they handled that whole thing fucked, Matt.

01:03:50.000 Yeah.

01:03:51.000 Well, he's got a lawsuit, doesn't he?

01:03:52.000 I think so, yeah.

01:03:53.000 Didn't he fire a suit?

01:03:54.000 And he should.

01:03:54.000 But again, I don't know how that fight even goes down if they go three rounds.

01:03:58.000 I'm not saying Matt would have won that.

01:03:59.000 Travis definitely won the fight.

01:04:00.000 No, it was a great fight up until that moment, but whenever a guy gets poked in the eye, the outcome is marred.

01:04:06.000 When you're fighting a monster with one eye, it's going to be a tough fucking night.

01:04:09.000 Yeah.

01:04:09.000 But I tell you what, I don't mind Travis' shot here against Kane.

01:04:13.000 I don't think he's that big of an underdog.

01:04:15.000 I don't know what the odds are, but Travis has that one-punch knockout power in his knees.

01:04:19.000 Yeah, we really don't know how much, like you said, of a toll all these injuries have taken on Kane in the time off.

01:04:27.000 We only saw him in that one fight with Verdum where we blamed it, and he did as well, on the lack of training at altitude, which makes sense.

01:04:35.000 Look at my face right now.

01:04:36.000 You don't buy it?

01:04:37.000 Fuck no.

01:04:38.000 That's how many dick in its finest.

01:04:40.000 You don't get to his level and be like, altitude!

01:04:42.000 I got tired of his altitude.

01:04:44.000 Bitch, you knew for four months we were going to be fighting at that altitude.

01:04:46.000 You're a world champion.

01:04:47.000 But he's always been known for his cardio.

01:04:48.000 Maybe he just overestimated his own cardio.

01:04:50.000 Is that possible?

01:04:51.000 You don't think anyone in his camp was like, man, that's pretty high up there.

01:04:53.000 We should probably go early.

01:04:54.000 Well, Javier said that it was his fault.

01:04:56.000 He said, I should have forced him to go early.

01:04:58.000 You know, sometimes guys just don't want to leave.

01:05:00.000 I think he just got beat by a better guy, man.

01:05:01.000 Could be that, too.

01:05:02.000 I don't buy that shit.

01:05:03.000 Could be that, too.

01:05:03.000 He definitely looked tired.

01:05:05.000 He's one of the greatest of all time.

01:05:07.000 100%.

01:05:07.000 Just had an off night.

01:05:08.000 Well, Verdum is a big dude.

01:05:10.000 He's tall and long, and his striking has come a long way, and his jiu-jitsu is the best in the business.

01:05:16.000 He's also the worst matchup for Kane, I think.

01:05:18.000 He's a terrible matchup.

01:05:19.000 Stylistic-wise, he's a bad matchup.

01:05:20.000 He just got beat!

01:05:21.000 Yeah, you take him down, you're going to get strangled.

01:05:22.000 Good luck with that.

01:05:23.000 And he's also not going to knock him out.

01:05:25.000 So you've got to force it.

01:05:26.000 And Verdum can jump to guard, jump half guard.

01:05:28.000 It's a horrible matchup for him.

01:05:31.000 So yeah, he lost.

01:05:31.000 Who cares?

01:05:32.000 Yeah, I'm really bummed out that we didn't get a chance to see the rematch.

01:05:35.000 I really wanted to see that rematch.

01:05:36.000 You're going to see it after this.

01:05:38.000 Maybe.

01:05:39.000 It's a big maybe.

01:05:40.000 Who the fuck knows?

01:05:40.000 A huge maybe.

01:05:41.000 This is a huge maybe.

01:05:43.000 Huge maybe.

01:05:44.000 And you know what, man?

01:05:45.000 When I saw that fight, I went tough fight for Kane.

01:05:46.000 And Stipe is a tough fight for anybody, man.

01:05:49.000 Stipe is going to fight Verdum.

01:05:52.000 That's a tough fight for Verdum.

01:05:54.000 Stipe's no fucking joke, man.

01:05:56.000 He's no joke.

01:05:57.000 Him and...

01:05:57.000 Yeah, no joke.

01:05:59.000 The odds are stacked against him flying down to Brazil and fighting Verdum.

01:06:02.000 Yeah, the odds are stacked against him.

01:06:04.000 That's a tough place to fight.

01:06:05.000 But he's a geared up dude.

01:06:06.000 He's ready to rock.

01:06:07.000 And, you know, coming off of that big one-punch knockout of Orlovsky, he looked good in that fight.

01:06:14.000 He looked great.

01:06:14.000 He looked good and he looked angry.

01:06:15.000 I'm a steep A fan.

01:06:16.000 He's got momentum behind him.

01:06:18.000 Good dude.

01:06:18.000 I'm looking forward to seeing that.

01:06:19.000 And he will go to war.

01:06:21.000 We saw that in that five-round fight with Dos Santos.

01:06:24.000 With JDS. I mean, he took Junior Dos Santos to the edge.

01:06:27.000 That was a fun fight.

01:06:29.000 That was a wild-ass fight.

01:06:30.000 It's a great fight.

01:06:30.000 It could have went either way.

01:06:31.000 It could have went either way.

01:06:32.000 So I think that he's right up there, and I think that's a really interesting fight.

01:06:36.000 I'm looking forward to seeing that.

01:06:37.000 But put up that cardigan, because there was some other shit that we wanted to talk about.

01:06:42.000 Look at this one.

01:06:43.000 Mousasi and Brunson.

01:06:44.000 People didn't bring that up.

01:06:46.000 Your boy Hendrix needs to win so bad.

01:06:48.000 God dog.

01:06:49.000 Yeah, he does, man.

01:06:50.000 And that's a tough fight, too, man.

01:06:51.000 Kelvin is going to be coming at him, guns blazing.

01:06:55.000 Because he lost to Magni last fight.

01:06:57.000 And then also, Hendrix, getting stopped by Wonderboy, is going to charge Kelvin up.

01:07:06.000 True.

01:07:06.000 Kelvin's fleet, too, man.

01:07:08.000 He's very fleet of foot, you know?

01:07:10.000 He's got excellent footwork.

01:07:11.000 It's a tough matchup, man.

01:07:13.000 If fucking Johnny comes with his A-game, it's a rough night for Kelvin, I think.

01:07:18.000 Yeah, well, it could be.

01:07:19.000 Or who knows, man?

01:07:21.000 Kelvin could realize that he's got to bring it up to 10 constantly in camp and reach his full potential, and that this is an opportunity to really erase the Magni fight.

01:07:30.000 And to get a victory over a former world champion, I mean, that's gigantic.

01:07:34.000 Then look at this.

01:07:35.000 You got Diego Sanchez and Joe Lozon.

01:07:37.000 Got that throwback, son.

01:07:38.000 We call that Throwback Thursday matchup.

01:07:40.000 This is the better fucking clean the canvas special.

01:07:44.000 I agree.

01:07:45.000 There's going to be some blood in this fight.

01:07:46.000 Some chaos.

01:07:47.000 It's early, too, so all those other guys are going to have to walk around that blood.

01:07:51.000 I used to hate that.

01:07:52.000 When there's a bloody fight before and there'd be blood on the mat.

01:07:54.000 And, you know, when you first get in, you take that lap around the hot guy.

01:07:58.000 I'm like, God damn it.

01:07:59.000 You know what they do during the fox fights?

01:08:01.000 They spray paint over the blood.

01:08:03.000 Tight move.

01:08:04.000 Dude, it's gross.

01:08:06.000 We're sitting there doing the commentary and talking about some stuff, and they're spraying like full-bore paint booth, like doing a Chevelle.

01:08:15.000 Ten feet from us.

01:08:16.000 I'm not exaggerating.

01:08:18.000 That's like that blood sport when there's blood.

01:08:20.000 He's like scraping the mat and then the next guy comes out.

01:08:22.000 Dude, they spray paint it.

01:08:24.000 They walk around and spray paint over the blood.

01:08:26.000 And you're like, are you fucking shitting me?

01:08:28.000 And everybody, like the camera guys are covering their faces with shirts and walking away.

01:08:33.000 I feel like there has to be a better solution.

01:08:34.000 Well, it's probably illegal.

01:08:36.000 Like, you have to have masks on and stuff for that shit.

01:08:39.000 You can't just blow it into the crowd.

01:08:41.000 Secondhand fucking chemicals.

01:08:41.000 There's 15,000 people sitting in the audience.

01:08:43.000 They're like, well, what's really important is we deny what we're involved with.

01:08:47.000 That is weird.

01:08:47.000 So let's do a little spray paint on this blood.

01:08:49.000 We don't want to see any blood.

01:08:51.000 Blood's inside of everybody and we need blood to stay alive.

01:08:53.000 That is weird.

01:08:54.000 Sometimes it's a bloody business, but we don't want to look at it.

01:08:56.000 That is weird.

01:08:57.000 Yeah, they're like airbrushing nipples over there.

01:09:00.000 Stop it.

01:09:01.000 Did you say that's only on Fox or on pay-per-view or it happens all the time?

01:09:04.000 Oh, it's only on Fox.

01:09:05.000 It's only on Fox.

01:09:06.000 Yeah, they would never do it on pay-per-view.

01:09:07.000 The UFC knows exactly what it's selling.

01:09:09.000 For sure.

01:09:10.000 Yeah, they're not scared of some blood.

01:09:12.000 They're not trying to hide it.

01:09:12.000 As a matter of fact, some people like it.

01:09:13.000 Fox shouldn't be scared of it either, man.

01:09:15.000 No, you got in bed with hiding.

01:09:15.000 The sport is fantastic.

01:09:16.000 Yeah, blood's gonna happen.

01:09:18.000 You got in bed with the most exciting sport in the fucking world.

01:09:20.000 Hits happen.

01:09:21.000 Suck it up.

01:09:21.000 Just a little bit of blood.

01:09:22.000 Don't worry about it.

01:09:23.000 And during Fox fights, I'm not supposed to talk about blood as much.

01:09:25.000 I'm supposed to take it down a notch.

01:09:28.000 I feel like they fucked up telling you that.

01:09:33.000 See, there's a little thing in me that goes, yeah, do the blood, fucking go.

01:09:37.000 Well, I shouldn't, I mean, there's no need to exaggerate it, and there's no need to dwell on it, but if it's overwhelming.

01:09:43.000 What if there's a cut on the guy's eye, and you're like, that blood's fucking crazy.

01:09:46.000 Well, also, the descriptives that I, this is what I believe, the descriptives that I use during a fight have to match how I feel about the moment.

01:09:55.000 That gives me...

01:09:56.000 I'm giving a better narrative of what I think is going on in the fight.

01:10:00.000 When I see Diego Sanchez's face hanging off of his head as he's chasing after Martin Kampman, and I say, this looks like a scene from a horror movie.

01:10:08.000 That's because that's what it really feels like to me.

01:10:10.000 And if I don't say that, it's probably not...

01:10:12.000 I'm not doing my job as well.

01:10:14.000 You're doing the fans a disservice.

01:10:15.000 You're also not...

01:10:16.000 I mean, that's why we love listening to Joe Rogan.

01:10:18.000 If you start fucking honeydicking...

01:10:19.000 But he can't do it on Fox.

01:10:20.000 Fox doesn't want that.

01:10:21.000 No, you're going to do it.

01:10:21.000 Fox isn't going to work on that.

01:10:25.000 I have to wear a condom.

01:10:26.000 This is Fox.

01:10:29.000 Joe, we need a tuxedo in a condom.

01:10:33.000 Have we worn our Fox condom?

01:10:36.000 It's hilarious.

01:10:38.000 Look, it's not anti-Fox.

01:10:40.000 I'd love that they have the UFC on.

01:10:41.000 I think it's amazing.

01:10:42.000 Oh, it's great for the sport.

01:10:43.000 I just think you've got to stop spray-painting me.

01:10:45.000 Stop making me breathe that shit in.

01:10:47.000 And the poor camera guy's five feet in front of me.

01:10:50.000 He's taking that shit.

01:10:51.000 He's taking it right in the face.

01:10:52.000 He has to.

01:10:53.000 Yeah, man.

01:10:54.000 I see the lawsuits coming.

01:10:56.000 No, why would the lawsuits come?

01:10:58.000 In ten years if someone's fucking...

01:11:00.000 Prove it.

01:11:01.000 Just don't do it anymore.

01:11:02.000 Just don't do it anymore.

01:11:04.000 Do it like the end of the elementary.

01:11:05.000 You remember when a kid threw up and then that weird janitor came with that orange substance?

01:11:09.000 It was like, whatever.

01:11:10.000 It's for like shit the rest of the day.

01:11:12.000 I guarantee you there's health codes.

01:11:14.000 I guarantee you.

01:11:15.000 You can't just spray paint in a room filled with people with no ventilation.

01:11:20.000 Dude, no one's seen Bloodsport?

01:11:21.000 Hire some fucking dude who just goes out there between the rounds and scrubs the mats.

01:11:25.000 Yeah, but that's not good for the crowd.

01:11:27.000 The crowd doesn't want to see that.

01:11:28.000 Fuck!

01:11:28.000 The crowd right now.

01:11:29.000 Let's get that dude in there.

01:11:30.000 They're frauds, though, when you start spray-painting the mat.

01:11:33.000 They're watching it.

01:11:33.000 I agree.

01:11:34.000 They didn't put up a curtain.

01:11:35.000 What's going on behind the curtain?

01:11:37.000 I agree.

01:11:37.000 No one knows.

01:11:38.000 What's that smell?

01:11:39.000 No one knows.

01:11:40.000 We have no idea.

01:11:41.000 Fucking gray smoke is in the air.

01:11:43.000 Everyone's coughing.

01:11:44.000 Fire's like, we were coughing.

01:11:46.000 I actually got away from the desk.

01:11:48.000 I put my headphones down, and I backed away from the desk.

01:11:50.000 I'm like, what the fuck, man?

01:11:52.000 I'm healthy, bitch.

01:11:53.000 I'm the keto kid.

01:11:54.000 I'm the keto kid, too, you son of a bitch.

01:11:56.000 You guys are fucking up the skin.

01:11:58.000 Dude, you don't think they could hire like some, I don't know, former fighter with fucking CTE just to scrub the mats?

01:12:04.000 Oh, that's so rude.

01:12:04.000 And when he comes out, everyone goes, yeah!

01:12:07.000 That's so rude.

01:12:07.000 Like he's a celebrity.

01:12:08.000 Then he has sponsors on his shirt and shit and he's scrubbing the mats?

01:12:12.000 This is like Ben Stiller's character in that movie, Tropic Thunder.

01:12:16.000 Like you could see him having played a guy like this in a movie.

01:12:20.000 For sure, man.

01:12:21.000 Shit has gone bad if you're doing that.

01:12:24.000 That's awful.

01:12:25.000 Can you imagine if they had former fighters cleaning the octagon and waving to the crowd with broken hands?

01:12:30.000 Oh my god.

01:12:31.000 Is that Junie Browning scrubbing the mat?

01:12:33.000 It sure is.

01:12:35.000 It sure is.

01:12:36.000 There's certain things that we have to maintain a certain level of empathy and care.

01:12:43.000 Certain people can't have that job.

01:12:46.000 Once you're an all-time great, you cannot...

01:12:48.000 Oh no, you can't do that.

01:12:50.000 You can't even interview for the job.

01:12:51.000 I can't have you.

01:12:52.000 But you could do it if you wanted to, though.

01:12:54.000 Like if everybody knew you were okay.

01:12:56.000 What if you just had like a super fan?

01:12:58.000 Like if Randy Couture decided in between fights he was gonna help scrub the mat and he looked up at everybody and he waved and Randy's in great health, you know?

01:13:09.000 He looked at everybody, waved to everybody and then got down and showed everybody, hey, he's not too big for cleaning the blood.

01:13:15.000 You can't do that!

01:13:15.000 He could do it if he wanted to do it.

01:13:17.000 No, people would start crying in the stands like, is that the natural fuck, man?

01:13:21.000 No, because he has overalls on.

01:13:24.000 Knee pads?

01:13:25.000 Start scrubbing the mat and shit?

01:13:27.000 But what I'm saying is he's still successful right now.

01:13:30.000 It's not like he's down in the dumps and everybody knows he's doing movies.

01:13:33.000 He's always doing the dependables.

01:13:34.000 The Expendables.

01:13:36.000 Better name.

01:13:37.000 The Expendables.

01:13:39.000 I mean, everybody knows he's doing well.

01:13:40.000 So it wouldn't be...

01:13:41.000 You would say, he's just doing a show.

01:13:43.000 He's not above cleaning the blood off the mat.

01:13:45.000 Fuck!

01:13:45.000 What?

01:13:46.000 How dare you?

01:13:47.000 He's at National Treasury, you son of a bitch!

01:13:49.000 You can't have Randy Couture!

01:13:50.000 You need, hear me out there, like, dot of 5,000 in that pitch.

01:13:54.000 Oh, you better stop right now.

01:13:55.000 Just like everyone's like, yeah!

01:13:56.000 I think this is racist.

01:13:58.000 What?!

01:13:59.000 Just because he's scrubbing the mats?

01:14:00.000 You can't have Randy do it.

01:14:02.000 I'll do it.

01:14:02.000 If Randy does that job, I will fuck that.

01:14:04.000 Give me that brush.

01:14:05.000 You'll do it too?

01:14:05.000 I will rush in there and save the day.

01:14:07.000 I would do it as well.

01:14:08.000 I feel like I should do it.

01:14:08.000 It's Randy Couture, man.

01:14:10.000 How dare you take it to Randy Couture?

01:14:12.000 I was just saying Randy could do it because he's that humble.

01:14:14.000 Because of his stature.

01:14:15.000 Yeah, because of his stature, because he's still...

01:14:19.000 Well, first of all, if you hear him talk, you would never think, other than looking at his cauliflower ear, you would never think that Randy Couture had a lifetime of fighting.

01:14:27.000 No, he beat the game.

01:14:28.000 He's killing it.

01:14:29.000 Crazy.

01:14:30.000 Handsome devil, too.

01:14:31.000 And it's not like he didn't lose by knockout a few times.

01:14:34.000 No, for the heavyweight.

01:14:35.000 I mean, he got TKO'd by Brock Price.

01:14:37.000 Oh, well.

01:14:38.000 Lyoto Machida knocked him out with a flying front kick in his last fight, remember?

01:14:41.000 Jumping front kick through the face.

01:14:43.000 So that was Lyoto.

01:14:45.000 I mean, he had been knocked out by Chuck.

01:14:47.000 Lesnar.

01:14:48.000 Bad.

01:14:49.000 Lesnar.

01:14:50.000 Lesnar was a TKO. But Chuck was bad, man.

01:14:52.000 Really bad.

01:14:53.000 Chuck torqued his head.

01:14:54.000 Yeah.

01:14:55.000 So, you know, there was two Chuck fights where he lost by knockout.

01:15:00.000 Right?

01:15:00.000 Yeah.

01:15:01.000 He beat Chuck once and then Chuck beat him twice.

01:15:06.000 Correct.

01:15:07.000 I mean, so anyway, my point is, Randy talks perfect.

01:15:12.000 When you hear him talk, he's smiling and he seems happy.

01:15:16.000 There's a couple guys like that.

01:15:17.000 So does Tito Ortiz.

01:15:19.000 He speaks pretty well.

01:15:20.000 Tito always had a little bit of anxiety on camera that would fuck him up.

01:15:26.000 There's those classic videos of Tito when he was doing the affliction stuff.

01:15:30.000 I'm not saying he's fucking Bob Costas.

01:15:33.000 That's just anxiety.

01:15:34.000 No, I'm just saying he speaks well.

01:15:35.000 If you have a conversation with him, there's no brain trouble.

01:15:37.000 There's nothing wrong with him.

01:15:38.000 No, no, no.

01:15:39.000 Good point.

01:15:40.000 And there's a lot of other guys that have been around for a long time that they don't have anything wrong with them.

01:15:45.000 You know, there's a lot of guys that made it through, and you talk to them, and they seem absolutely fine.

01:15:50.000 Have you seen that movie, Concussion?

01:15:52.000 No.

01:15:53.000 That shit will make you question what you're doing with your life.

01:15:56.000 Really?

01:15:57.000 I watched it on a plane before Brian and I had one of our live fighting the kids, and it fucked me up, man.

01:16:02.000 Wow.

01:16:02.000 Bad.

01:16:03.000 Really bad.

01:16:04.000 It's crazy.

01:16:05.000 How much of it is based on reality and how much of it is dramatic?

01:16:07.000 I looked into it afterwards.

01:16:09.000 I mean, you know, obviously for the movies they exaggerate stuff, but as far as the guys dying and the head trauma and stuff like that, that's all real, man.

01:16:15.000 And the NFL hiding stuff, that's all real.

01:16:18.000 That's why the lawsuit, that's why all the NFL guys are the lawsuit, because they went, oh no, that's all fake.

01:16:23.000 It's not true.

01:16:24.000 There's no brain trauma caused by football, and they hit all this thing.

01:16:27.000 And by this doctor finding this stuff and trying to reveal it, they were trying to fuck him over, man.

01:16:33.000 It's nuts.

01:16:34.000 And that's all real.

01:16:35.000 All real.

01:16:36.000 See, that's where it's crazy, because the NFL is still in business.

01:16:40.000 Is this guy still around?

01:16:42.000 They can't get any bigger.

01:16:43.000 Yeah, the doctor, he's still around.

01:16:44.000 He's still around.

01:16:44.000 Yeah, but he didn't want to be involved in the NFL. They offered him a full-time gig to help him out, and he's like, nah, man.

01:16:50.000 Wow.

01:16:52.000 I need to watch it so I know exactly.

01:16:53.000 You need to watch it.

01:16:54.000 It's fucking intense, man.

01:16:55.000 I watched it, and I was like, fuck.

01:16:58.000 Look, football's dangerous.

01:16:59.000 I got done.

01:17:00.000 I just looked at Brian.

01:17:01.000 Brian goes, what's wrong?

01:17:02.000 And I went, I'm fucked.

01:17:04.000 Brian started laughing.

01:17:05.000 He goes, what are you talking about?

01:17:06.000 I went, I watched Concussion, man.

01:17:07.000 He goes, no.

01:17:08.000 You haven't done that much.

01:17:10.000 Like, well, 20 years of football.

01:17:12.000 Don't listen to me.

01:17:12.000 Don't ever listen to Brian.

01:17:13.000 Oh, I know.

01:17:13.000 If you ever think that something might be wrong, never go to Brian.

01:17:16.000 Because Brian will tell you you're fine.

01:17:18.000 The house burnt down.

01:17:19.000 But it's because, you know, it's still the place where the house was.

01:17:22.000 You can still sleep on it.

01:17:23.000 You can't.

01:17:23.000 You're going to camp for a few years.

01:17:25.000 That's Brian.

01:17:26.000 That's why you love him, man.

01:17:29.000 Some guys have made it through even Super Bowl careers, but it's not a lot.

01:17:34.000 The problem is when they test former football players for CTE, an alarming number show signs of CTE. An alarming number.

01:17:43.000 My only question is, what do you think was going to happen?

01:17:46.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:17:47.000 Like, I don't think we knew it to this degree.

01:17:49.000 But at the same time, like, when I would run face-first into another giant man, I'm like, God, it can't be healthy for my brain.

01:17:55.000 No.

01:17:56.000 But, like, the way they talk about a concussion is, if you put, like, a...

01:18:00.000 Like an apple in a water bottle and you shake it like there's water in there.

01:18:05.000 That's like your brain.

01:18:06.000 Where most, like, you know those rams that headbutt each other like a woodpecker?

01:18:10.000 They have mechanisms in their head that absorb that shock.

01:18:14.000 Humans don't.

01:18:15.000 So when we run into each other, your brain is smacking against this wall because we're not meant to do that.

01:18:19.000 We're not meant to punch each other in the face and run into each other with helmets on.

01:18:23.000 We're just not built for that.

01:18:24.000 No, we haven't really developed the ability to absorb punishment, or if we had that ability, we lost it.

01:18:30.000 Yes.

01:18:30.000 That's possible, too.

01:18:32.000 Like, if you look at Neanderthals, they were built very different than us.

01:18:35.000 You know, they were very short and thick.

01:18:39.000 I think they only were, like, a little bit over five feet tall, and they weighed 200 pounds.

01:18:43.000 They had these big-ass bones, big, thick bones.

01:18:46.000 They had bigger brains than ours, too.

01:18:49.000 So they were built different.

01:18:50.000 And they were just dealing with shit all the time.

01:18:53.000 When they find them, they're always finding ones with broken bones and fucking spear points lodged in their spine.

01:18:59.000 Oh, yeah.

01:19:00.000 That's a day in the life of a caveman.

01:19:01.000 It's not a good time.

01:19:03.000 But our brains today, like this body today...

01:19:06.000 Just floating.

01:19:06.000 Well, also, you see, like, people are becoming...

01:19:08.000 They seem like...

01:19:09.000 Like, if you look at people's, like, bone structure in comparison to, obviously, Neanderthal, which is a different species, but some people retain some percentage of Neanderthal DNA, but you would assume that as people go further and further away from the ancient hominids,

01:19:27.000 the ancient monkeys and stuff, we're getting softer and weaker.

01:19:30.000 We're becoming pussies.

01:19:31.000 Yeah, we're becoming more and more pussies.

01:19:32.000 More softer, for sure.

01:19:33.000 But yeah, we're involved in, like, football is the biggest sport in the, well, definitely the biggest sport in the country.

01:19:39.000 Not the biggest sport in the world, obviously.

01:19:40.000 By far biggest in the country, though.

01:19:42.000 They own two days.

01:19:43.000 They own Monday and Sunday, which is nuts.

01:19:44.000 Not only that, when there's a Super Bowl, it's a fucking, almost a national holiday.

01:19:49.000 Super Bowl Sunday is like, everybody knows it.

01:19:51.000 Everybody knows Super Bowl Sunday.

01:19:53.000 Everyone.

01:19:54.000 It's that big, like, the World Series can come and go and people might miss it.

01:19:57.000 But they don't miss Super Bowl Sunday.

01:19:58.000 Never.

01:19:59.000 But you know what's weird talking about, you know, those Nathandrals, the cavemen?

01:20:03.000 Yeah, so NFL players are actually getting bigger, though.

01:20:06.000 The athletes are getting bigger and faster and stronger.

01:20:09.000 Like, they're getting way bigger.

01:20:10.000 Like, a 300-pound lineman in 1988, it was like, damn, that's a big boy.

01:20:14.000 Now, it's like, 300, bitch, get out of here.

01:20:16.000 You better go step your game up.

01:20:17.000 Yeah, I wonder what that is.

01:20:19.000 What are they testing for?

01:20:22.000 Do they test for shit in the NFL? Yeah, but usually it's once a year.

01:20:27.000 Once a year.

01:20:28.000 It depends.

01:20:28.000 Unless you've been caught before, then you're in a program where you're getting tested all the time.

01:20:33.000 But why would they catch them?

01:20:34.000 Why would they try to catch them?

01:20:35.000 Because you're an idiot.

01:20:36.000 I agree.

01:20:37.000 What are they trying to prove?

01:20:37.000 Same thing.

01:20:38.000 The sport is safe.

01:20:40.000 Look, we're testing everyone.

01:20:41.000 Shit, but that just makes you recover slower.

01:20:44.000 You know, it's...

01:20:46.000 It's a weird dynamic.

01:20:47.000 It is a weird dynamic, because you want people to be gigantic.

01:20:50.000 No one talks about this, and I know the WWE fans are fucking ruthless, but how many WWE athletes die?

01:20:59.000 Like, Chyna just died, what, last night, two nights ago?

01:21:01.000 Remember the big girl Chyna?

01:21:02.000 She just died.

01:21:04.000 It's kind of alarming, because there's not a ton of them, right?

01:21:06.000 But when they get older, they die.

01:21:08.000 Where did Chyna die from?

01:21:09.000 I don't know.

01:21:11.000 I think she was...

01:21:14.000 How old was she?

01:21:14.000 She died in her house.

01:21:15.000 45, I believe.

01:21:16.000 Not that old.

01:21:18.000 She was on Fear Factor.

01:21:20.000 Really?

01:21:21.000 Yeah.

01:21:21.000 Before she was big or like as a celebrity?

01:21:23.000 No, she was big, man.

01:21:24.000 She was a celebrity.

01:21:25.000 Yeah.

01:21:25.000 What's she doing on there?

01:21:26.000 She did some gross shit.

01:21:28.000 Eating like snails and ass.

01:21:30.000 But she did one thing and after she got out of this thing she goes, Who's the man?

01:21:35.000 Oh, fuck.

01:21:37.000 She flexed.

01:21:38.000 She made the most muscular.

01:21:39.000 That's the least sexy thing I've ever heard in my life.

01:21:40.000 Well, she wasn't trying to be sexy.

01:21:41.000 I'm just saying, as me.

01:21:43.000 Victorious.

01:21:44.000 Victorious.

01:21:44.000 Who's the man?

01:21:45.000 She went into porn.

01:21:46.000 You remember that?

01:21:47.000 I do remember that.

01:21:48.000 Yeah.

01:21:48.000 As She-Hulk Triple X. Yeah, that was, whoa.

01:21:51.000 Well, I know the title.

01:21:52.000 I have no idea.

01:21:52.000 Don't ask.

01:21:53.000 Well, I think when people don't have a whole lot of options, they start getting real desperado.

01:21:57.000 They don't know what to do.

01:21:58.000 That would be El Desperado.

01:22:01.000 Doing She-Hulk Triple X. Oh, is this her?

01:22:04.000 Oh, that's you and her, son.

01:22:06.000 Look at her muscles.

01:22:08.000 Look how skinny I am.

01:22:09.000 I feel like she would have fucked you up back then.

01:22:11.000 I'll fuck her up.

01:22:13.000 You're too quick in life.

01:22:14.000 Rest in peace.

01:22:17.000 That's sad, though, man.

01:22:19.000 So, let's find out what happened.

01:22:20.000 Was it pills?

01:22:21.000 They don't know.

01:22:21.000 I'm trying to find it out.

01:22:23.000 They don't know, man.

01:22:24.000 She was super nice, man.

01:22:25.000 Real friendly.

01:22:26.000 She was a real nice person.

01:22:27.000 Yeah, she followed me on Twitter.

01:22:29.000 Nice to everybody.

01:22:30.000 Like, on the set and everything like that.

01:22:31.000 That's a bummer, man.

01:22:32.000 But I think it's a conversation to have.

01:22:34.000 Like, the substance they put in their bodies, and you look at their schedule being on the road 300 days a year, constantly falling up or down or something.

01:22:41.000 I know it's not a legit sport compared to the NFL, UFC stuff, and NBL, all that stuff, but you gotta talk about it, because these guys are passing away, but there's no regulatory, no one's making sure, there's no commission.

01:22:57.000 Well, they're certainly athletes, but I think a lot of people think of them as athletes more of a Cirque du Soleil type thing, like they're doing a performance, than they think of them as competitors in a sport, so they don't look to try to regulate it or change it.

01:23:08.000 They look at it as sort of like an entertainment thing these people are doing.

01:23:11.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:23:12.000 I'm with you, man.

01:23:13.000 I'm with you.

01:23:14.000 But they're taking some performance enhancing supplements that a lot of the pro athletes are taking even more so, I think, because their schedules are way crazier.

01:23:21.000 Oh yeah, no doubt.

01:23:22.000 So when they pass away, I think there has to be some sort of Plan in place, I think.

01:23:27.000 Well, the problem is she hasn't worked for them in a long time.

01:23:32.000 That's one.

01:23:33.000 And the second thing is if she was doing pills or she was abusing any other substances, they're not really responsible for that.

01:23:39.000 We don't know how much of what she was doing she was doing just because she was into recreational drugs.

01:23:44.000 There was obviously some steroids involved.

01:23:46.000 I'm referring to the steroids, Joe.

01:23:48.000 Oh, you think that did it to her?

01:23:49.000 I think it was a pill thing.

01:23:50.000 I don't know.

01:23:51.000 I don't know.

01:23:52.000 I'm pretty sure she overdosed, dude.

01:23:54.000 Oh, really?

01:23:55.000 Yeah.

01:23:55.000 Well, I'm not saying she overdosed on testosterone or something.

01:23:57.000 No, no, no, no.

01:23:57.000 I'm just saying what they do with their bodies.

01:23:59.000 She was on pain pills.

01:24:00.000 Oh, yeah, I'm sure.

01:24:01.000 I'm pretty positive.

01:24:02.000 That's what they're saying, right?

01:24:03.000 A lot of people were saying that, right?

01:24:04.000 She was on an opium gym not too long ago.

01:24:07.000 She had just came back from Japan, where I think she'd been living for the last couple years.

01:24:10.000 Oh, teaching English.

01:24:11.000 Yeah, just getting away from the craziness of America.

01:24:14.000 She was just coming back to get back into life and entertainment.

01:24:17.000 Damn.

01:24:18.000 She was found dead after not talking to anybody for six days or something like that.

01:24:21.000 She went dark.

01:24:23.000 That sucks, man.

01:24:25.000 I just think it's something to look into with the WWE guys.

01:24:28.000 It's a discussion to fucking have, at least.

01:24:31.000 Well, I'm sure they must be having it.

01:24:33.000 It's a giant organization.

01:24:34.000 You don't think we should have had it after Chris Benoit?

01:24:38.000 Again, there's one of those guys who goes off the rails like that and does something horrific.

01:24:42.000 And you gotta wonder, like, was that in that guy anyway?

01:24:45.000 Did he have issues already?

01:24:47.000 Did it have something to do with wrestling?

01:24:48.000 Did it have something to do with substance abuse?

01:24:50.000 Concussions.

01:24:51.000 They get a shitload of concussions.

01:24:52.000 It could be a lot of different factors.

01:24:54.000 I agree.

01:24:54.000 It's definitely something to look into, but it's so rare that someone goes that far off the rails like he did.

01:24:59.000 Oh, I agree.

01:25:00.000 I'm just saying let's look at what they're doing to their bodies and have a discussion about it maybe to make it safer to prevent it from happening.

01:25:07.000 That's it.

01:25:07.000 I'm not saying it's an epidemic.

01:25:09.000 I'm just saying a lot of these guys are fucked.

01:25:11.000 What are you, Captain Save-A-Ho over here trying to save everybody?

01:25:16.000 Do people want to do flips off the top rope?

01:25:20.000 Possible overdose or natural death.

01:25:23.000 Natural at 46?

01:25:25.000 No one finds that fishy?

01:25:26.000 That doesn't seem to make a lot of sense.

01:25:28.000 Dead on her bed after receiving a call for...

01:25:30.000 Oh, okay.

01:25:31.000 We don't need to read all the rest of this.

01:25:33.000 She's a very nice person, so rest in peace.

01:25:35.000 I know.

01:25:38.000 Nice lady.

01:25:38.000 Hey, let's at least get it on a good note.

01:25:41.000 How about your boy Ben Henderson going for the Triple Crown?

01:25:45.000 Bellator, WC, UFC belt.

01:25:47.000 Say what?

01:25:48.000 No one's talking about it.

01:25:49.000 Not nothing.

01:25:50.000 Who is he fighting?

01:25:50.000 He's fighting this Russian cat, and I wish I could remember his name.

01:25:53.000 I've even trained with him, so I'm a bigger prick for that.

01:25:56.000 But it's a tough fight for Ben.

01:25:57.000 He's beat better guys, but it's tough.

01:25:59.000 It's not a walk in the park.

01:26:00.000 It's just weird that no one's bringing it up at all.

01:26:03.000 See, that's the disadvantage of signing with Bellator.

01:26:05.000 Yeah, Bellator.

01:26:06.000 Because imagine if he was doing this in the UFC, he'd be fucking everywhere.

01:26:10.000 Oh, Korshkov.

01:26:12.000 Well, you know, what's interesting is I don't even...

01:26:16.000 I mean, I don't watch half of the Bellator ones.

01:26:18.000 I don't even watch half of them.

01:26:19.000 I know they're probably pretty good fights.

01:26:21.000 I watch them if they're the major ones.

01:26:23.000 Obviously, I'll watch Ben, Phil, King Mo, a lot of these guys that I like.

01:26:27.000 But I'm like, what is missing?

01:26:29.000 What is missing from even drawing me in?

01:26:31.000 I mean, I almost feel like detached from it because I feel insulted by the freak show element.

01:26:36.000 Me too.

01:26:36.000 I feel like there's a slap in my face.

01:26:38.000 I feel like, dude, you set us back, man.

01:26:40.000 I feel like a dummy for watching it.

01:26:41.000 Me too.

01:26:42.000 Really, right?

01:26:43.000 I agree.

01:26:43.000 Yeah.

01:26:44.000 Whereas, like, I don't feel like that if I watch Glory or if I watch anything else, or if I watch 1FC. I don't feel like that.

01:26:50.000 I feel like I'm getting shit on.

01:26:53.000 Like, you're putting together nonsense.

01:26:54.000 This might sound weird to say.

01:26:55.000 I almost feel like I'm cheating on the UFC when I watch and I talk about it.

01:26:58.000 I'm like, ooh.

01:26:59.000 Really?

01:27:00.000 Is that weird?

01:27:00.000 Yeah.

01:27:01.000 I think it's good to have competition.

01:27:02.000 I think it's important.

01:27:03.000 I agree.

01:27:04.000 They have the ways to go.

01:27:05.000 They do.

01:27:06.000 Ben's a good step in the right direction.

01:27:08.000 They didn't have to, though.

01:27:08.000 They didn't have to.

01:27:09.000 If they did the right thing and promoted it the right way, they went for big ratings on a couple of these weird fights, which the UFC did too, sort of, in the early 2000s.

01:27:21.000 Oh, early days.

01:27:21.000 Like when Tank Habit came back.

01:27:22.000 Yeah.

01:27:23.000 I mean, there was a few of those times, you know?

01:27:25.000 You had to do that back when it started.

01:27:27.000 They did some fights back then that were, in comparison, silly.

01:27:32.000 But people didn't consider a sport really back then.

01:27:34.000 It was coming along.

01:27:35.000 But the sport's already established now.

01:27:37.000 And so they're taking advantage of these old veterans like Hoyce and Ken Shamrock and having that fight.

01:27:43.000 And it's going to draw in the casual, nostalgic viewer that remembers UFC 1. And they're going to go and they're going to watch it.

01:27:49.000 There's no sustainability with that.

01:27:51.000 It's just not there.

01:27:52.000 There's no sustainability.

01:27:53.000 And the other problem is that, for whatever reason, I don't know what the reason is, you're not hearing a lot of noise about their champs.

01:27:59.000 You know?

01:28:00.000 And you kind of should.

01:28:01.000 It's weird.

01:28:02.000 Will Brooks is a bad motherfucker.

01:28:04.000 Michael Chandler's a bad motherfucker.

01:28:06.000 They got some great fighters over there.

01:28:07.000 Patricky Pitbull's a bad motherfucker.

01:28:09.000 Monsters, man.

01:28:09.000 Very good fighters.

01:28:11.000 So it just seems like whatever they've done wrong.

01:28:13.000 Ben was on ESPN. That's good.

01:28:17.000 He was on ESPN talking about it.

01:28:18.000 I'm glad they're giving it some props.

01:28:20.000 Look, they definitely need, like the UFC could use competition, and I think it would boost the sport, whereas it would make the sport bigger.

01:28:28.000 I just don't think that Bellator in its current state is competition.

01:28:32.000 They're taking a lot of fighters that are past their prime, except for Benson.

01:28:37.000 Benson going over there is the biggest coup, I think.

01:28:39.000 Phil?

01:28:39.000 Phil's big.

01:28:40.000 Phil's not past his prime.

01:28:41.000 No, but Phil had been beaten soundly by Rumble.

01:28:43.000 He did have that really good fight against Glo.

01:28:45.000 He beat Glover.

01:28:46.000 He beat Machida.

01:28:47.000 That's true.

01:28:47.000 The Machida fight was super, super close.

01:28:50.000 Still, though.

01:28:51.000 He's still a win.

01:28:51.000 He's beat Gustafson.

01:28:53.000 That's true.

01:28:53.000 He strangled him.

01:28:54.000 Yeah.

01:28:55.000 But the thing about Phil is Phil isn't a guy...

01:29:02.000 Phil's fighting style isn't a guy where you're like, I have to fucking see this.

01:29:05.000 You say that, but in Bellator, he looked fucking sensational.

01:29:09.000 He looked like a destroyer.

01:29:10.000 Amazing.

01:29:10.000 He won by stoppage.

01:29:11.000 Amazing.

01:29:11.000 And maybe he's off to a new start.

01:29:14.000 Maybe he recognizes the urgency of being in a new organization.

01:29:16.000 Oh, he's one of the best fighters in the world.

01:29:18.000 And going over there, I think, you know, he was the first guy to do it.

01:29:21.000 I remember texting him going, you got some motherfucking balls.

01:29:24.000 Good luck, man.

01:29:25.000 You know, and he's like, he texted me, I'm so scared.

01:29:27.000 Hell yeah, man.

01:29:28.000 It's scary.

01:29:29.000 It's paying off, right?

01:29:31.000 And now Ben Henderson.

01:29:33.000 They got Mitrione.

01:29:34.000 Mitrione's a little older, but at least at heavyweights.

01:29:36.000 Mitrione could be champion.

01:29:37.000 So those are three completely legit guys that they've acquired.

01:29:41.000 You need a stable.

01:29:42.000 Yeah.

01:29:43.000 Well, it would have been interesting if they got Fedor.

01:29:45.000 It would have been interesting.

01:29:46.000 Well, Fedor's playing grab-ass and he's fighting Maldonado.

01:29:50.000 Yeah.

01:29:51.000 I don't know what that's all about.

01:29:53.000 I might be wrong on this.

01:29:54.000 You might have to look it up, Jamie.

01:29:55.000 I think it's on Fight Pass.

01:29:56.000 What is?

01:29:57.000 Fedor might be on Fight Pass, I thought that fight.

01:30:00.000 Really?

01:30:00.000 Versus Maldonado?

01:30:01.000 Risen or Risen is on Fight Pass.

01:30:03.000 Come on.

01:30:04.000 Am I crazy here?

01:30:04.000 I'm making shit up?

01:30:06.000 Really?

01:30:06.000 I don't know.

01:30:07.000 This ketogenic diet is just my brain on another level.

01:30:12.000 It would be funny if you really nailed it.

01:30:16.000 But he's been saying lately that he's been in talks with the UFC. And I think he would give it a good go because you look at the state of the heavyweight division.

01:30:23.000 Everyone's old as fuck.

01:30:24.000 A bunch of fossils.

01:30:25.000 But don't you think they put him immediately with Verdum?

01:30:27.000 I like that matchup.

01:30:29.000 I like that matchup too, but I think you have to do it that way, right?

01:30:32.000 Fuck yeah, you can't toss him like some young dude.

01:30:35.000 But what young dude do we even have?

01:30:37.000 We don't have one.

01:30:38.000 No, we don't really have a lot of...

01:30:41.000 I couldn't name one, but I'm saying for him, like, there's a resurgence of all these older fighters.

01:30:46.000 Look at Rothwell or Lofsky, fucking Hunt, Frank Merrigan, he just lost.

01:30:50.000 But all these guys are old as fuck.

01:30:52.000 Dude, Fedor, there's hope, my man.

01:30:54.000 He can still do it.

01:30:55.000 You never know, man.

01:30:56.000 With that skinny fat build, just fucking dudes up.

01:30:59.000 If he still has that motivation.

01:31:01.000 And there's drug testing now.

01:31:02.000 I'm not saying he did something.

01:31:03.000 What are you trying to say, bro?

01:31:04.000 I hate to piss on the Pride days, but I'm just saying, it ain't the wild, wild west.

01:31:08.000 We have to see your dick this time.

01:31:10.000 Yeah, we don't know.

01:31:11.000 We're just speculating.

01:31:12.000 I'm just saying.

01:31:14.000 It is totally possible.

01:31:16.000 Guys look different.

01:31:16.000 Fights are different.

01:31:17.000 Does he look different?

01:31:18.000 Well, he doesn't weight train anymore.

01:31:19.000 No, let me know what steroids you were taking because I would never touch him.

01:31:24.000 Because physically, I'm going for looks here.

01:31:26.000 But he got thicker again before his most recent comeback.

01:31:31.000 There was all sorts of posts about it online.

01:31:34.000 I saw some photos of him training, and he looked thicker.

01:31:37.000 Back to the old days, like throwing around logs and shit.

01:31:39.000 He looked bigger.

01:31:40.000 Pretending they were kettlebells and shit.

01:31:41.000 He definitely looked like he had been doing some weightlifting, because there had come a time in his career where it looked like the weightlifting days were over.

01:31:47.000 I agree.

01:31:48.000 Like, the early days, he was way thicker and bigger, and then as he got older, he concentrated more on skills and less on strength and conditioning.

01:31:56.000 And that's not him.

01:31:57.000 Yeah, I think you need both.

01:31:59.000 I think, especially this day and age, but when he was fighting...

01:32:02.000 Fuck, man.

01:32:03.000 I think it just put a lot of emphasis on his striking in particular and his ability to explode with combinations.

01:32:08.000 If you go to the Tim Sylvia fight, the speed of combinations that he was hitting guys with.

01:32:14.000 And his hips.

01:32:14.000 The power in his hips.

01:32:16.000 It's insane, man.

01:32:17.000 I think he has a legit shot to do some work in the heavyweight division.

01:32:21.000 Now, if you're his age and you come back to 55-70, you're fucked.

01:32:25.000 Yeah.

01:32:25.000 But his age at heavyweight?

01:32:26.000 Hell yeah, son.

01:32:27.000 What age is he?

01:32:29.000 36?

01:32:29.000 No, he has to be at least 38, 39, right?

01:32:32.000 Fedor?

01:32:33.000 We'll find out.

01:32:35.000 Him versus Barnett or something?

01:32:36.000 Throwback, son?

01:32:37.000 I honestly don't think he's that old.

01:32:39.000 No?

01:32:39.000 I don't think he's that old.

01:32:41.000 39. 39?

01:32:42.000 Wow, interesting.

01:32:43.000 I'm telling you, it's a ketogenic diet.

01:32:45.000 That's my brain firing, son.

01:32:46.000 It's like pulling old shit out.

01:32:48.000 UFC offered Fedor Emelianenko more money than Ryzen.

01:32:52.000 Probability to fight inside the octagon very high.

01:32:55.000 Whoa.

01:32:56.000 Holy shit.

01:32:58.000 That would be intense.

01:32:59.000 Why does he have boxing gloves on there?

01:33:02.000 Are those boxing gloves?

01:33:03.000 No, those are just weird.

01:33:04.000 Those are affliction.

01:33:05.000 Really?

01:33:06.000 Oh, wow, they're huge.

01:33:08.000 Are those affliction?

01:33:09.000 Yeah, those are affliction, son.

01:33:10.000 Yeah, it's just they look a lot bigger than they do.

01:33:11.000 Yeah, they do.

01:33:12.000 It's the wraps.

01:33:13.000 Dude, can you imagine?

01:33:15.000 This is almost hard to say.

01:33:17.000 Can you imagine Fedor in a Reebok kit?

01:33:19.000 Walking the octagon?

01:33:23.000 I might buy that Reebok kit.

01:33:24.000 If it was white and red, would it be the first kit I buy, son?

01:33:32.000 Or I'd just make my own.

01:33:33.000 I'd wear a Fedor shirt for sure.

01:33:35.000 Fuck yeah.

01:33:36.000 I used to wear a Crow Cop security shirt.

01:33:37.000 Did you really?

01:33:38.000 Before I fought him.

01:33:39.000 I bought it online from like Croatia and came like nine weeks later and it was too small but I still rocked it.

01:33:46.000 Like my belly hung out underneath it but I was like fuck it.

01:33:49.000 No one really knew who he was.

01:33:51.000 I used to train that thing all the time.

01:33:53.000 How weird was it getting a call to fight that guy after that?

01:33:56.000 So weird.

01:33:57.000 Might be the best call I've ever had in my life.

01:33:59.000 Well, it was one of the best results you ever had in the octagon.

01:34:02.000 Might be the best, Joe.

01:34:04.000 After that, if someone said, hey man, let's just kind of move on from here, I'm like, alright!

01:34:07.000 If you showed me a crystal ball, alright!

01:34:10.000 It's alright from here, but I'll just move on.

01:34:12.000 What do you think of OSP and Jon Jones?

01:34:16.000 Um...

01:34:17.000 I think OSP, he's an explosive guy, but man, Jon's just too smart, too long to get caught.

01:34:25.000 I think, uh...

01:34:27.000 It's a good, I hate saying this because Ospy's such a good athlete and he's ranked in the top ten or whatever, but it's a good tune-up fight for John.

01:34:34.000 Wow.

01:34:35.000 I know it's fucked up.

01:34:36.000 The number six light heavyweight is a good tune-up fight for you.

01:34:39.000 Light heavyweight is struggling, son.

01:34:41.000 Well, sort of, but not really.

01:34:44.000 It's like there's so much possibility there.

01:34:46.000 In the top five.

01:34:47.000 Yeah.

01:34:47.000 What Glover just did to Rashad, holy shit, man.

01:34:51.000 That was hard to watch.

01:34:52.000 It was hard to watch because, you know, Rashad was super tentative and was on the outside.

01:34:56.000 It was moving away from Glover and Glover just closed the distance and closed the lights.

01:35:01.000 Like the Terminator.

01:35:02.000 There couldn't be a worse matchup for Rashad.

01:35:05.000 Like I just wish, and I get it, man.

01:35:08.000 People are like, well, fighters fight.

01:35:09.000 I get that, man.

01:35:10.000 But Rashad's stage in his career, sometimes you got to have a man to go, dude, Glover's a fuck.

01:35:15.000 He does everything better than you right now.

01:35:17.000 Let's figure something else out, bro.

01:35:18.000 I mean, you win this one.

01:35:20.000 Are you going to fight for the title?

01:35:21.000 Probably not.

01:35:21.000 I think he's got to take whoever he can.

01:35:23.000 So look what we got here.

01:35:25.000 This is what I want to see.

01:35:27.000 Anthony, Johnson, and Glover.

01:35:29.000 Come on, son.

01:35:30.000 What?

01:35:31.000 Especially after Glover called for it.

01:35:33.000 That's the best fight in the UFC right now.

01:35:37.000 Yes, please make that happen.

01:35:39.000 If there's one fight that could get me to go to a UFC fight, it'd be that.

01:35:41.000 And by the way, I don't know who the fuck to bet on.

01:35:44.000 Me neither.

01:35:44.000 How about that?

01:35:45.000 Me neither.

01:35:45.000 That shit could be chaos in both directions.

01:35:48.000 I think if it goes past the first round, Glover takes over.

01:35:50.000 Maybe.

01:35:51.000 But that first round's gonna be a motherfucker.

01:35:53.000 That first round is like one of those scenes in a movie where a building explodes and you have to run through the rubble without it hitting you in the head.

01:36:00.000 Yeah, son.

01:36:00.000 You've got a minefield to navigate when you're fighting Rumble.

01:36:04.000 That's one mistake one way or another.

01:36:06.000 If that fight doesn't get you crunk, you're an idiot.

01:36:11.000 And is Gustafson retiring?

01:36:13.000 I've been hearing that Gustafson doesn't want to find him.

01:36:15.000 Yeah, I saw an interview he did where he's saying he's lost the passion for it, so he came to San Diego hoping he could find it, and I'm not sure if he did.

01:36:22.000 But when you start talking like that, I want you to look at the top three.

01:36:26.000 Because Glover, Anthony, and Jon Jones will rip your dick off, and they want this more than anything.

01:36:31.000 So it's probably time to maybe give it up.

01:36:33.000 It's interesting that Bader...

01:36:34.000 Well, I guess Bader beat Ovin St. Prue, so he should be ranked above him.

01:36:39.000 True.

01:36:40.000 And then Rashad...

01:36:42.000 Shogun's still in the mix, huh?

01:36:44.000 Dude, you're crazy if you think light heavyweight's good.

01:36:47.000 That's just shit.

01:36:48.000 Well...

01:36:51.000 That Keto gets me another level.

01:36:52.000 I didn't mean to say shit.

01:36:54.000 It is though.

01:36:55.000 It is.

01:36:56.000 Look.

01:36:56.000 Hey, past six.

01:36:58.000 Fuck you.

01:36:59.000 Fuck you.

01:37:00.000 Well, Owens, Rashad, Shogun, Jimmy Manawa.

01:37:04.000 Jimmy Manawa is a guy.

01:37:06.000 Jimmy Manawa is a guy that just was not in martial arts that long before he was fighting top-level guys at the MMA. Who are you telling?

01:37:13.000 He's a sick athlete with ridiculous power.

01:37:17.000 And I just feel like...

01:37:18.000 The game's changed.

01:37:18.000 Yeah.

01:37:19.000 No one gives a fuck.

01:37:20.000 Because now you have real fighters go, what?

01:37:21.000 You're fast?

01:37:23.000 Can't punch out power?

01:37:24.000 That's cool.

01:37:24.000 I'm just gonna take you down.

01:37:25.000 He fought Rumble, man.

01:37:27.000 When he fought Rumble.

01:37:28.000 Well, Gustafson stopped him before the Rumble fight in a very important fight.

01:37:32.000 Why do they do him like that?

01:37:34.000 Here's Rumble, here's Gustafson.

01:37:36.000 God damn it!

01:37:37.000 I know.

01:37:38.000 God damn it!

01:37:39.000 A double whammy of death.

01:37:41.000 You're fighting a guy that's boxing you up from another zip code.

01:37:46.000 Fuck!

01:37:47.000 I can't get a break while in the UFC, bitch.

01:37:49.000 And then you fight Rumble.

01:37:50.000 Dude's got literal nuclear weapons tied to the end of his hands.

01:37:54.000 They got Shogun and Little Nog in the top ten.

01:37:58.000 That's a hard sell.

01:38:01.000 Especially, Little Nog is a hard sell as a top 10 guy, and that's a good argument.

01:38:06.000 But there's no one.

01:38:07.000 You look at the heavier divisions at heavyweight, I mean, there's fun matchups.

01:38:13.000 Everyone's old as fuck, though, really, man.

01:38:15.000 And then you look at light heavyweight, there's not a lot going on outside the top five.

01:38:18.000 And in the top five, Alexander doesn't even know if he wants to do it anymore.

01:38:22.000 It's very important.

01:38:24.000 Yeah, very good point.

01:38:25.000 But why do you think that, Joe?

01:38:26.000 Why do you think these bigger athletes aren't gravitating towards mixed martial arts?

01:38:31.000 Well, I don't know if it's that or if it just comes in waves.

01:38:34.000 You know, I think sometimes you have a guy like Jon Jones and they create a bit of a bottleneck because they're so good.

01:38:40.000 And we can't forget about Cormier, of course.

01:38:42.000 So just in that alone, you've got Jon Jones and Cormier.

01:38:45.000 Cormier is as good as anybody in the world.

01:38:47.000 You've got Anthony Johnson who can knock out a tree.

01:38:49.000 You've got Glover.

01:38:50.000 You've got Gustafson.

01:38:51.000 And who knows what could or couldn't happen this weekend with Ovin St. Preux.

01:38:57.000 The guys on that list, when I'm looking at them, I'm like, you've got at least one, two, three, four, five, six legit world beaters.

01:39:08.000 Six legit, but you're talking about the biggest organization in the world.

01:39:11.000 After that, it's like, yeah, not much going on.

01:39:13.000 There's no young talent where you're like, dude, there's no sage Northcuts.

01:39:17.000 Yeah, but doesn't it happen in cycles and weight classes?

01:39:19.000 Because there was no one at 185 for a while.

01:39:22.000 185 was struggling for a while.

01:39:24.000 Let me see 185, Jamie.

01:39:25.000 185. Now you've got, well, once Anderson lost and Weidman came in, now you've got, look at this crazy mix.

01:39:31.000 And I don't know what they're going to do with Yoel Romero, but what I understand is that he has a very small window where they're going to ban him for.

01:39:39.000 Really?

01:39:40.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:39:41.000 Good for him.

01:39:42.000 What he did was he was actually honest.

01:39:44.000 They got the stuff independently off the shelf that he said that he took.

01:39:49.000 They took that stuff and they tested it and it had low levels of whatever this peptide is that's supposed to grow testosterone in your body or something like that.

01:39:58.000 So he really didn't take anything that he wasn't supposed to take.

01:40:02.000 He took something that had something in it that wasn't supposed to be in it and he proved it.

01:40:06.000 But Joe, even if you go through middleweight, look, okay, Vitor, he ain't that young.

01:40:12.000 Bisping, I mean, not young, he has one eye.

01:40:15.000 Anderson Silva, okay, leg fell off.

01:40:17.000 Leono Machida, well, older.

01:40:20.000 Mousasi, Tim Kennedy...

01:40:23.000 Ladies, like there's not Dan Henderson's in there?

01:40:25.000 How is Musasi ranked above Uriah Hall when Uriah Hall jumped spitting back, kicked him in the face and stopped him?

01:40:30.000 Whoever votes on this thinks it's a fluke.

01:40:32.000 Those are ridiculous people.

01:40:34.000 That is a ridiculous ranking.

01:40:36.000 They're the ones writing articles that you're speaking about.

01:40:38.000 You cannot be two steps above a guy when a guy stopped you in your last fight.

01:40:43.000 That is weird.

01:40:44.000 You cannot.

01:40:45.000 I wish our boy Tim Kennedy would get a fight.

01:40:46.000 That's an arrogant assessment of someone's ability in comparison to someone else's ability that's not based on facts.

01:40:53.000 You have to base individual interactions between two fighters.

01:40:57.000 You have to base them on facts.

01:40:58.000 Yes, it's very black and white.

01:41:00.000 There's no doubt about it that Uriah Hall proved himself to be the better fighter.

01:41:04.000 Gegard and Mousasi took him down and controlled him in the first round.

01:41:07.000 In the second round, Uriah Hall jumped spinning back, kicked him in the face, and knocked him out.

01:41:12.000 Yeah, I saw that.

01:41:12.000 There's no more definitive ending.

01:41:14.000 This is an insult to him, to have him at No.

01:41:17.000 10 and have Gegard at No.

01:41:18.000 8. The only thing you can do with these riders, because it's basically a popularity contest, right?

01:41:23.000 If a guy keeps winning, it's a popularity contest.

01:41:25.000 But the champs, you can't deny it, right?

01:41:26.000 The champ in 1 and 2, there's no honeydick anymore.

01:41:29.000 Did you see one Brazilian writer put fucking Notorious MMA? He put him four notches lower after he knocked out Aldo.

01:41:38.000 Yeah, Conor.

01:41:39.000 Yeah.

01:41:40.000 How crazy is that?

01:41:41.000 How the fuck could you do that?

01:41:43.000 Well, I don't know, but does anyone take these serious?

01:41:46.000 But that's why...

01:41:47.000 But how could you do that?

01:41:48.000 I mean, you might not like Conor.

01:41:50.000 You might think that Conor's a brash guy, and he insulted your champion, and he insulted your country, and blah, blah, blah.

01:41:56.000 And then he smashes him with one punch in 13 seconds.

01:41:58.000 You're just not professional.

01:42:00.000 You can't.

01:42:01.000 You're fucked.

01:42:02.000 No one can take your word for anything.

01:42:04.000 Yeah, I mean, how the fuck do you drop that guy down four points with a perfect performance?

01:42:09.000 Well, I think for the fans, it's like, oh, check it out.

01:42:11.000 Six versus ten.

01:42:12.000 Like, it makes the more mainstream.

01:42:13.000 Like, oh, look at six versus ten.

01:42:14.000 That's the number six guy in the world versus number ten.

01:42:16.000 But you can't...

01:42:17.000 Remember when they were going to do Reebok based off rankings?

01:42:19.000 And even the fighter's like, what the fuck are you talking about?

01:42:22.000 And then even Dana was like, yeah, that's some bullshit.

01:42:25.000 Yeah.

01:42:26.000 Anderson versus Uriah Hall is going to be very interesting.

01:42:30.000 That's in Brazil, brother.

01:42:31.000 That's in May.

01:42:32.000 That Brazil card's a motherfucker.

01:42:34.000 It is stacked.

01:42:36.000 I heard the promo on it's sick, too.

01:42:37.000 It's just a bunch of Brazilians beating people up.

01:42:39.000 That's an intense card, man.

01:42:41.000 That's a very intense card.

01:42:43.000 Look at this.

01:42:44.000 I forgot about Overeem Marlowski.

01:42:46.000 Oh, good lord.

01:42:48.000 Yeah, look at that Brazil card.

01:42:50.000 Oh shit, Cyborg.

01:42:51.000 Leslie Smith, she deserves some sort of award right fucking now.

01:42:55.000 I know, she's fighting Cyborg.

01:42:57.000 She's gonna rip your face off.

01:42:58.000 What courage.

01:42:59.000 Why do they have Cyborg no picture on the left but a picture on the left?

01:43:02.000 They ain't ready for it.

01:43:02.000 They're not ready for it.

01:43:04.000 They're not even ready.

01:43:05.000 Go back to the other card.

01:43:07.000 The Orlovsky fight, what card was that on?

01:43:10.000 God, that card is a motherfucker.

01:43:11.000 What card was the Orlovsky fight on?

01:43:13.000 That's a FS1 card?

01:43:15.000 Ooh.

01:43:16.000 That's an interesting fight, man.

01:43:18.000 Whenever I count Orlovsky out, he comes back and wins again.

01:43:21.000 It's like the Terminator.

01:43:22.000 How many times has he been stopped?

01:43:25.000 It's an insane number now.

01:43:27.000 It's like a very high number.

01:43:29.000 He's been stopped a gang of times.

01:43:30.000 We don't fight as long as he does, especially at heavyweight, and not get stopped.

01:43:33.000 Look at how many times has Overeem been stopped.

01:43:36.000 Dude, look at that fight.

01:43:37.000 I've seen Overeem get flatlined.

01:43:38.000 Look at Albert Tumanoff versus Gunnar Nelson.

01:43:41.000 That's a great fight.

01:43:42.000 Ooh, that's a good fight.

01:43:44.000 Tumanoff is a motherfucker, man.

01:43:46.000 Damn, Struve.

01:43:47.000 Back.

01:43:48.000 Bigfoot Silva.

01:43:49.000 Bigfoot needs to figure it out.

01:43:50.000 Now that they have this drug test, then it's tough, man.

01:43:53.000 Yeah.

01:43:54.000 Yeah, it's hard out there for a pimp.

01:43:56.000 There's a heavyweight.

01:43:57.000 You see a lot of guys get stopped as part of the game.

01:43:59.000 Who else is on this weekend?

01:44:01.000 Go back to this weekend's card.

01:44:04.000 That Brazil car is ridiculous.

01:44:07.000 Leslie Smith with that salty record, eight and six, signed up to fight Cyborg.

01:44:10.000 I wonder how Cyborg is going to deal with the 140 cut for her first time.

01:44:15.000 I think she's going to chew bitches' faces off.

01:44:17.000 I think everyone should fucking run.

01:44:20.000 Every girl in the division is like, fuck.

01:44:22.000 Well, I hope they give her a 145 pound division.

01:44:24.000 I think she deserves it.

01:44:26.000 They've had that division in Invicta.

01:44:27.000 It's an established division.

01:44:28.000 There's plenty of girls out there that'll fight at 145. And that way she's not dying trying to make the weight.

01:44:34.000 She's a big girl, man.

01:44:36.000 She's a big girl.

01:44:36.000 The thing is, how many big girls are there?

01:44:38.000 Is it sustainable?

01:44:39.000 Let's find out.

01:44:40.000 Is it sustainable?

01:44:41.000 Let's find out.

01:44:42.000 Can you do that, though?

01:44:43.000 Gina Carano did it in Strikeforce.

01:44:45.000 I mean, that was the whole thing.

01:44:45.000 Or Elite XC. Was it Strikeforce or Elite XC? It was Elite XC. That was her whole thing.

01:44:51.000 She was fighting 145. Joe, look at my face.

01:44:53.000 I'm looking at your face.

01:44:54.000 You can build a division around Gina Carano when she looks like that.

01:44:58.000 You can build a division around Cyborg when she's smashing chicks.

01:45:01.000 You can.

01:45:02.000 I firmly believe you can build a division around Cyborg.

01:45:04.000 Who the fuck's gonna sign up for that?

01:45:05.000 No, you can't.

01:45:05.000 I wouldn't watch it.

01:45:06.000 If she's Mike Tyson, every little girl she runs into, you can't do it.

01:45:10.000 You can do it.

01:45:11.000 And you have her keep talking shit to everybody at 135. Come up to me and fight me and my belt.

01:45:17.000 No one's doing that!

01:45:17.000 No one's like, oh, I'll do it.

01:45:19.000 Fuck no.

01:45:20.000 Shoot box tattoo.

01:45:22.000 Come on, dude.

01:45:23.000 She's a monster.

01:45:24.000 I like it.

01:45:24.000 Fuck yeah, she's a monster.

01:45:25.000 I like giving her a shot at the 145-pound title.

01:45:29.000 You want to have her fight this fight?

01:45:31.000 She's going to fight Leslie Smith, who normally fights at 135. You may get a catchweight fight because Leslie is brave enough to take that challenge.

01:45:37.000 But then...

01:45:39.000 Create a 145, take some of them Invicta Girls.

01:45:41.000 I disagree, Joe.

01:45:42.000 I think you...

01:45:43.000 Well, what do you do with her then?

01:45:44.000 You make her fight at 140, you compromise.

01:45:46.000 We don't even know how well her body's gonna handle this.

01:45:49.000 Alright, let's say she does decent though, but all your superstars at 135. So then you just do these super fights, a 140. Where Misha could be champ at 135 or 140. And you have this monster at 140. But at least she's fighting Misha Tate and getting that coverage or Ronda Rousey or Holly Holm.

01:46:03.000 But if you do 145, okay, now we've got to find 145 badasses at 145 girls.

01:46:10.000 Well, the real interesting fight at 140 is Holly, who's fought as high as...

01:46:15.000 I want to say she fought at like 150 before in boxing.

01:46:19.000 You're right, at 150. I thought it was like 152. So...

01:46:23.000 That would be the fight, because first of all, she's without a doubt the most experienced striker in all of the UFC, women's divisions.

01:46:31.000 As far as boxing competition, MMA competition, and kickboxing, I mean, she's a 19-time boxing champion, she's won kickboxing titles, and she won the UFC crown.

01:46:41.000 I think she's the only female in the UFC who can beat Cyborg.

01:46:45.000 See, that would be a fascinating fight because she's got that style of, like, counter-striking and moving away and almost a karate base with a lot of athleticism and footwork, and Cyborg is just a destroyer.

01:46:57.000 But what happens when you go forward on Holly?

01:47:00.000 You get fucking murked.

01:47:02.000 So a girl like Cyborg coming forward is tailor-made for Holly.

01:47:05.000 All these other girls?

01:47:06.000 Enjoy that.

01:47:07.000 Maybe.

01:47:08.000 Enjoy Frank the Tank Brazilian.

01:47:09.000 I just don't know.

01:47:10.000 I mean, she's bigger and stronger.

01:47:12.000 And she can take a punishment.

01:47:14.000 She can take a lot of punishment.

01:47:16.000 Do you see the Jorina Barge fight in Lion Fight?

01:47:19.000 I did not.

01:47:19.000 She fought Shorina.

01:47:21.000 Oh, I did!

01:47:22.000 Yeah, yeah, that girl's a fucking monster.

01:47:23.000 She lost, Cyborg lost by decision?

01:47:26.000 Or did she get TKO'd?

01:47:27.000 No, she lost by decision, but she got punted in the face.

01:47:30.000 Yes.

01:47:30.000 She got teeped in the face.

01:47:32.000 She got punted in the face.

01:47:32.000 Barge is no joke, man.

01:47:34.000 She's one of the best Muay Thai fighters on the planet.

01:47:36.000 Yeah, world champion.

01:47:36.000 She's so slick.

01:47:38.000 Her style's so good.

01:47:39.000 And, you know, she has none of the physical attributes that Cyborg has.

01:47:42.000 Cyborg's just so strong and so powerful.

01:47:45.000 Again, I think it's tailor-made for Holly.

01:47:47.000 Any other girl is fucked.

01:47:49.000 Interesting.

01:47:49.000 I would like to see it, I'll tell you that.

01:47:50.000 Any other girls getting her titties ripped off?

01:47:52.000 I just, I don't want to see, this is what I don't want to see.

01:47:55.000 I don't want to see Cyborg fight diminish so much from the weight cut that we don't get to see the real Cyborg.

01:48:01.000 I don't think she should be enough draw to create an entire division for.

01:48:04.000 And revamp, because we're trying to build up 115-125, right?

01:48:09.000 135. See, I think if anybody's going to do it, it's going to be a woman who knocks women out.

01:48:13.000 I think anybody who's going to bring light to the division, it's going to be someone like Cyborg.

01:48:17.000 She's just not young, man.

01:48:17.000 If she's like a young prospect, I think you invest in it.

01:48:20.000 It doesn't have to be.

01:48:21.000 The level that she's at in comparison to the level the other girls are at, she's very high.

01:48:26.000 The only thing that would change is if one of those Muay Thai chicks started looking at Cyborg and went, oh, really?

01:48:32.000 Oh, okay.

01:48:33.000 That'd be sick.

01:48:33.000 Okay.

01:48:34.000 Okay, well this is, you know, she's not going to take you down, most likely.

01:48:37.000 She's going to try to stand with you.

01:48:38.000 Yeah.

01:48:38.000 And if these girls, like, really concentrate on the grappling, and they really concentrate, you know, six months sprawl training, you know?

01:48:45.000 We're years out from that.

01:48:46.000 Well, maybe.

01:48:47.000 You've got to invest.

01:48:47.000 If you're going to do it, you've got to invest in that whole training.

01:48:50.000 But look at a girl like Tiff Timebomb, right?

01:48:52.000 Right.

01:48:52.000 She's starting MMA now, you know that?

01:48:53.000 She's training for MMA. Yeah, well if you know during a prime like Miriam Nakaboto, like someone along those lines, one of the really high-level female Muay Thai champions, they would be merkin chicks in MMA. If they could just keep the fight standing, there's levels out there and there's levels of striking that we just really haven't seen in the UFC and that's with some of the women fighters.

01:49:16.000 But I think that's what we saw in the Barge fight with Cyborg.

01:49:19.000 We saw that super, super high-level Muay Thai against the marauding style of Cyborg.

01:49:24.000 And so I watched that fight and I said two things.

01:49:27.000 I said, one, amazed that Cyborg has the guts to take that fight because it's a dangerous fight.

01:49:31.000 Nobody wanted to fight Barge for like three fucking years.

01:49:33.000 You couldn't get a fight.

01:49:35.000 And then how about the fact that Cyborg takes tremendous punishment and keeps going after her?

01:49:40.000 I was thinking, how many other people in this division would fight this girl like that?

01:49:43.000 Just Holly.

01:49:44.000 And keep getting knocked out, keep jumping back up and attacking.

01:49:48.000 I agree.

01:49:48.000 Not a lot of female MMA fighters would have been able to even stand in there in a Muay Thai ring.

01:49:54.000 That's what I say, only Holly.

01:49:54.000 With her striking capabilities.

01:49:56.000 She's literally the only one.

01:49:57.000 Every other girl, her head would have been kicked into the third world.

01:49:59.000 And of course, Jacek, but she's a smaller weight class.

01:50:01.000 True, but she's too small.

01:50:02.000 Yeah.

01:50:03.000 Yeah, man.

01:50:03.000 I think the 45-pound division, man, it could open it up.

01:50:07.000 Women only having two divisions, I think, is weak.

01:50:09.000 Well, it takes time, though, right?

01:50:10.000 Right, but this is the time.

01:50:12.000 Start the 45. This is the inaugural fight, right?

01:50:15.000 I'm not mad at it.

01:50:15.000 Cyborg goes out, puts on a show against Leslie Smith.

01:50:18.000 Knocks her face off.

01:50:19.000 Or doesn't.

01:50:19.000 Who knows, man?

01:50:20.000 Well, she loses.

01:50:20.000 You don't have a division.

01:50:21.000 Yeah.

01:50:22.000 But if she does, if she wins, right?

01:50:24.000 Boom.

01:50:25.000 You got Cyborg fighting someone legit for the championship.

01:50:29.000 Marlos Kuhn comes over from Invicta, right?

01:50:31.000 She's Invicta, right?

01:50:32.000 Yeah.

01:50:33.000 145. Or is she Bellator now?

01:50:36.000 Oh, she's Bellator.

01:50:37.000 That's right.

01:50:38.000 She is Bellator.

01:50:39.000 Her last fight was Bellator.

01:50:39.000 They scooped her up.

01:50:40.000 But I don't think you can do that.

01:50:43.000 I think you have to do a super fight with Misha or Holly.

01:50:47.000 Do you want me to keep that on?

01:50:48.000 You have to do a super fight with Misha or Holly to create the buzz around Cyborg.

01:50:52.000 Because the average fan is like, who the fuck is this girl ripping girls' faces off?

01:50:55.000 Here's another fight this weekend that nobody is talking about.

01:50:58.000 Whitaker and Natal.

01:51:00.000 That's your fight of the night.

01:51:01.000 Ooh!

01:51:02.000 Robert Whitaker, man, looked sensational in his last fight against Uriah Hall.

01:51:06.000 I was like, holy shit, this kid is throwing.

01:51:09.000 He's a dangerous guy.

01:51:11.000 Interesting what a change it's been for him going up to 185. He just looks so much healthier.

01:51:17.000 Way more powerful.

01:51:18.000 Way more powerful, way more confident, way more aggressive.

01:51:21.000 It just doesn't feel as diminished.

01:51:23.000 I think he was just too big for 170. And Natal's a beast.

01:51:27.000 Natal's fun to watch, man.

01:51:28.000 Very dangerous, man.

01:51:29.000 Real good jiu-jitsu.

01:51:30.000 Caution to the win, yeah.

01:51:31.000 Enzo Gracie guy.

01:51:33.000 Dude, Rodriguez, though, that's your young buck.

01:51:35.000 Your up-and-comer young buck.

01:51:36.000 Yair?

01:51:37.000 Yeah, Yair Rodriguez and Andrew Feely.

01:51:39.000 That's another fucking badass fight.

01:51:42.000 That's a very good fight, man.

01:51:43.000 I love watching Rodriguez fight, man.

01:51:45.000 He's fun.

01:51:46.000 He's wild, dude.

01:51:47.000 He's wild.

01:51:48.000 That guy throws wild...

01:51:49.000 You ever see him train?

01:51:50.000 It's hilarious.

01:51:51.000 Well, he was at Jackson's for a little bit, right?

01:51:54.000 There's videos of him hitting pads.

01:51:57.000 Dude, he does like 360 roundhouse kick, 360 wheel kick, jumping front kick, round kick, side kick.

01:52:03.000 I mean, the way he mixes shit up is like, who does that in pad work?

01:52:08.000 But he does it like he fights.

01:52:10.000 Yeah, have you seen him go for like knee bars and leg locks and he fucking like flips to them?

01:52:15.000 Dude, his fucking...

01:52:15.000 That's the future, man.

01:52:16.000 His ground game is no joke.

01:52:17.000 His ground game is very good.

01:52:19.000 He's got everything going for him.

01:52:20.000 He's wild, he's unpredictable, he's young, he's brash.

01:52:23.000 Damn, Andre.

01:52:24.000 He threw up when I was interviewing him.

01:52:26.000 He threw up?

01:52:26.000 He's the only guy I've ever talked to, like in the middle of talking to him.

01:52:29.000 He threw up in his shirt a little bit, and then he threw up on the ground.

01:52:32.000 Damn, that's that cardio, son.

01:52:33.000 We had a crazy fight.

01:52:34.000 It was a wild-ass fight.

01:52:36.000 So that's a good fight.

01:52:37.000 It's a good card, man.

01:52:38.000 It'll be a fun card.

01:52:39.000 And again, Conor's taking the spotlight a little bit.

01:52:42.000 Yeah, well, he definitely is, and that's just to be expected.

01:52:45.000 He's, I mean, he's the biggest star in the game right now.

01:52:48.000 And I hope they work that out for UFC 200. It would be an even better story if they worked it out.

01:52:52.000 I bet you they do.

01:52:53.000 Guarantee they do.

01:52:54.000 I would almost guarantee they do.

01:52:56.000 Or they do a GSP-Nate Diaz fight.

01:52:58.000 Then we got honeydicked.

01:52:59.000 And then something smells fishy.

01:53:00.000 Something smells fishy?

01:53:01.000 For sure.

01:53:02.000 If GSP's like, what?

01:53:03.000 Hey, I've been training!

01:53:04.000 What if they come with the cash?

01:53:06.000 They come with that fucking Reebok makeup money.

01:53:08.000 I bet you, I bet you, that Reebok makeup money.

01:53:11.000 Here's a set of Reebok pumps in six million.

01:53:14.000 There you go.

01:53:15.000 Push it in.

01:53:16.000 Push it in.

01:53:17.000 We're all in for GSP 2000. I think, I bet they figure it out.

01:53:21.000 Yeah.

01:53:21.000 I bet you Conor ends up fighting a UFC 200. That's what I believe in, and I think Dana and the UFC brass is going to figure it out.

01:53:30.000 I think GSP and Nate Diaz takes its place, and they use it as a negotiating tool because the pay-per-view numbers are bigger than any of the Conor fights because the UFC has, in fact, grown through their strategy.

01:53:41.000 See, I don't think the numbers beat Conors.

01:53:43.000 What if they do?

01:53:44.000 Well, then Conors dealt the wrong hand.

01:53:46.000 GSP and Nate Diaz, you're like, ooh, Conor fucked up.

01:53:49.000 Yeah, Conor fucked up.

01:53:51.000 I don't think it beats his numbers, though.

01:53:54.000 So, OSP's best chance for this weekend, he's got to win by knockout.

01:53:57.000 First round.

01:53:58.000 You think so?

01:53:59.000 Yeah.

01:53:59.000 That first round, he's going to have to fucking caution in the wind.

01:54:02.000 If he tries to sit there and fight on the outside and out technique, Jon Jones, you're going to get fucked up.

01:54:10.000 It's going to be interesting to see Jon with such a long layoff, too, with a lot of pressure on him.

01:54:15.000 This is what I think is going to happen.

01:54:16.000 It's just me speculating.

01:54:18.000 And I've trained with both of them.

01:54:19.000 I think Jon will...

01:54:22.000 They'll feel each other out early on.

01:54:24.000 John's going to get a hold of them, trip them down the ground, crucify them, and TKO them with elbows.

01:54:29.000 Wow.

01:54:31.000 Wow.

01:54:31.000 If I had to bet on, I bet John finished them on the ground.

01:54:34.000 Really?

01:54:34.000 Mm-hmm.

01:54:35.000 All right.

01:54:36.000 You heard it here, folks.

01:54:37.000 This weekend, UFC 197. Brandon Schaub, fighterinthekid.com.

01:54:42.000 F-F-T-K. T-F-T-K-3-D.com.

01:54:46.000 T-F-T-K-3-D. That's the new one?

01:54:48.000 Yeah, that's the new one.

01:54:48.000 With the fighterinthekid 3D, your videos that you guys are doing.

01:54:51.000 Yeah.

01:54:52.000 How is that?

01:54:52.000 Is that fun?

01:54:53.000 Oh, the best.

01:54:54.000 Go watch it, you fucks.

01:54:55.000 Yeah.

01:54:55.000 All right, I'll be back in a little bit with another one.

01:55:00.000 That's right.

01:55:01.000 You're a beast, man.

01:55:02.000 Another podcast.

01:55:03.000 Love you, brother.

01:55:03.000 Dan Auerbach.

01:55:04.000 See you soon.

The Joe Rogan Experience - April 21, 2016

Joe Rogan Experience #788 - Brendan Schaub

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