The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #791

00:00:00.000 Boom.

00:00:01.000 We're live.

00:00:02.000 Shutting the laptop.

00:00:03.000 I don't need that.

00:00:03.000 You got a flip phone?

00:00:04.000 I got a flip phone, of course.

00:00:05.000 I don't need a fucking laptop.

00:00:06.000 No electronics today.

00:00:08.000 No.

00:00:08.000 I got a flip phone.

00:00:10.000 Simple guy.

00:00:11.000 You know me a long time.

00:00:11.000 What do I need?

00:00:12.000 I get texts and make a call.

00:00:16.000 Does it at least give you a full keyboard for text, or are you doing four presses to get an S? Absolutely.

00:00:22.000 So that way, if you text me, I'll give you an answer, but it's going to take a while.

00:00:26.000 And just give you a quick answer.

00:00:28.000 I can't have a conversation like people do.

00:00:30.000 Some people get ridiculous.

00:00:31.000 What are you up to?

00:00:33.000 What am I up to?

00:00:34.000 Exactly.

00:00:34.000 That's what I say.

00:00:35.000 You want to talk like a 12-year-old girl?

00:00:37.000 Call me, man.

00:00:38.000 What are we doing?

00:00:40.000 I mean, I'm not a teenager.

00:00:41.000 Call me if you want to talk.

00:00:42.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:00:43.000 Shit.

00:00:45.000 It's good to see you, brother.

00:00:46.000 Yeah, it's been a long time.

00:00:47.000 It's been a long time.

00:00:48.000 A really long time.

00:00:49.000 I've known you for a long fucking time, dude.

00:00:51.000 It's interesting to see a friend who was in...

00:00:55.000 I mean, you were always in show business because you ran the Riviera, but to go from that to being on The Sopranos, I remember hearing about it and then seeing it, and The Sopranos was my favorite show at the time.

00:01:06.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:01:07.000 I ran it to you, I think, in Little Italy, way back when, when I was living down there.

00:01:11.000 So it had to be early...

00:01:13.000 2000, like that, 99, 2000, 2001. I just couldn't believe it.

00:01:17.000 It was so weird watching a guy like you, all of a sudden, just a friend, all of a sudden you're on my favorite show.

00:01:25.000 It's a strange thing to watch someone who you like, who's on a show, playing somebody else.

00:01:31.000 Yeah.

00:01:31.000 And you know what the thing is?

00:01:32.000 I can't even say, like, you know, Joe, I couldn't even say, well, you know, it was a dream, man.

00:01:36.000 I always wanted to do it because I never wanted to do it.

00:01:39.000 You know, I was, like, screwing around, you know, and I think Pollock put me in one of his things, and Bruce Baum, and, you know, I was running the club, you know, you used to work the club, right, the extreme comedy, remember?

00:01:52.000 I got bummed out when I heard they were tearing down the Riviera.

00:01:54.000 Yeah, yeah, a lot of people, a lot of people.

00:01:56.000 I really got sad.

00:01:57.000 I wish I could have went back, because it was, at one time, it was good, it was really good.

00:02:01.000 Is it gone now?

00:02:02.000 No, they're knocking it down.

00:02:03.000 I think they start this summer.

00:02:05.000 I think they start soon, you know, knocking the thing out.

00:02:07.000 I saw Dice in the upstairs room like a year and a half ago or so.

00:02:13.000 I went down there.

00:02:15.000 They started doing shows up there.

00:02:16.000 I think Amy Schumer and they did Dice and Gilbert and a bunch of people.

00:02:20.000 They used to be the female impersonator show.

00:02:23.000 Yes.

00:02:24.000 That guy's still around.

00:02:25.000 Frank Marino.

00:02:25.000 Just keep on going.

00:02:27.000 He keeps on going.

00:02:28.000 He keeps on going.

00:02:28.000 Well, they have pictures of him.

00:02:30.000 They should be arrested for fraud for the fucking pictures they're using.

00:02:34.000 The guy's got to be in his 70s.

00:02:37.000 No, it is 50s.

00:02:38.000 He's 85 years old.

00:02:39.000 He's 50s.

00:02:39.000 He's at least 100 years old.

00:02:41.000 He's got a house.

00:02:43.000 I had to film something at his house once, and it's like a mini Liberace house.

00:02:48.000 Like that kind of thing.

00:02:49.000 It does what you think it is.

00:02:51.000 Oh, yeah.

00:02:51.000 That's what it is.

00:02:52.000 I'm sure.

00:02:53.000 You know, he also would be crazy like he had a housekeeper and he would like leave things around on purpose to see if they were cleaning, you know.

00:03:01.000 Oh, God.

00:03:01.000 One of those guys.

00:03:02.000 Of course.

00:03:03.000 He's still going.

00:03:04.000 I think he's at the, I don't know, the Imperial.

00:03:06.000 Something.

00:03:07.000 One of those strange casinos.

00:03:09.000 He's one of those, but they're still going and the guy's still playing.

00:03:12.000 The guy that does Tina Turner is older than Tina Turner now.

00:03:18.000 Well, I remember watching that show once.

00:03:21.000 That show I watched once and Crazy Girls I watched once.

00:03:24.000 Yeah, it was alright.

00:03:24.000 There was comics used to come in and out of there, stand-ups over the years.

00:03:28.000 I remember years ago, they needed a fill-in.

00:03:32.000 I put Sinbad in there.

00:03:33.000 Really?

00:03:34.000 In Crazy Girls.

00:03:35.000 Because it was upstairs.

00:03:36.000 The shows were around for years.

00:03:38.000 They all ran simultaneously.

00:03:40.000 It was the three.

00:03:41.000 We had the Comedy Club.

00:03:43.000 We had La Cage, Crazy Girls.

00:03:45.000 So it was all...

00:03:47.000 Yeah, no, I remember.

00:03:48.000 It was the first place I ever worked in Vegas.

00:03:51.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:03:52.000 I did that extreme comedy, XXX, right?

00:03:55.000 You came in for the weekend, which was great.

00:03:57.000 Put you in the suite, do the thing.

00:03:59.000 I took a photo of my name on the marquee, because I was like, look at that, it's my name!

00:04:04.000 I had one of those cameras that you buy, the disposable ones.

00:04:08.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:04:10.000 Look, a lot of stuff, I started at the Riv in 1986. Whoa.

00:04:15.000 You know, way back when it was still like, you know, one of the top, you know, still a good hotel.

00:04:21.000 You mean Mob Run, that's what you're trying to say.

00:04:23.000 Well, not really.

00:04:24.000 That kind of was gone.

00:04:25.000 But then you had Rickless, who was kind of just a different kind of mobster.

00:04:29.000 You know, he was an Israeli, he started the Junk Bonds.

00:04:32.000 Who is he?

00:04:34.000 He was married to Pia Zadora.

00:04:36.000 He owned it when I was there.

00:04:38.000 So they just found a different way to skim the money, you know, through construction or whatever.

00:04:42.000 They weren't bag men.

00:04:43.000 It was just a different deal.

00:04:45.000 Like the air conditioners he bought for the new building.

00:04:49.000 They were from Israel.

00:04:51.000 They didn't have parts in the United States.

00:04:54.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:04:56.000 They found different ways.

00:04:58.000 But he was good to me.

00:05:00.000 He owned the hotel when I first got there in 86. And Sinatra played there in 88, 89, 90. Sinatra was there.

00:05:09.000 You still had...

00:05:11.000 Liza Minnelli playing there.

00:05:13.000 You had Milton Berle, Sid Caesar.

00:05:16.000 I mean, there was still guys playing, you know.

00:05:19.000 Wow.

00:05:19.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:05:20.000 There was a lot of stuff came to it.

00:05:21.000 So you got to see all those people there.

00:05:23.000 I saw Sinatra night after night after night.

00:05:25.000 Wow.

00:05:26.000 And I just, after I was done work, I'd go sit in the back of the room.

00:05:29.000 You know, sometimes my wife would come.

00:05:32.000 Wow.

00:05:33.000 And it was like no big deal after a while.

00:05:35.000 That's crazy.

00:05:37.000 I got a tape of him.

00:05:37.000 I got a tape of him on New Year's Eve.

00:05:40.000 I think it's New Year's Eve 89 or 90. The guys, the sound men took it.

00:05:47.000 It was closed circuit.

00:05:48.000 Remember the closed circuit?

00:05:49.000 Yeah.

00:05:49.000 In the room.

00:05:50.000 Just in the room.

00:05:51.000 And they put a VHS in, you know, Betamax, whatever the hell it was.

00:05:56.000 And he's drunk.

00:05:59.000 His toupee is kind of crooked.

00:06:01.000 And Joey Villa, remember Joey Villa?

00:06:04.000 No.

00:06:04.000 He was a comic, like a real, you know, real hacky, thiefy guy.

00:06:08.000 He was in Splash, that show.

00:06:10.000 Okay.

00:06:11.000 So you had Joey Villa open for Pia Zadora, and then Dreesen open for...

00:06:16.000 Tom Dreesen opened for Sinatra, and he did a show upstairs and downstairs.

00:06:21.000 He was drunk on his ass, Sinatra.

00:06:23.000 And I have a tape of it somewhere.

00:06:25.000 I still have it somewhere.

00:06:26.000 And he says, I don't care.

00:06:28.000 I play upstairs.

00:06:29.000 I play downstairs.

00:06:30.000 If they pay me, I'll sing in a phone booth.

00:06:32.000 He didn't care at that point.

00:06:35.000 Wow.

00:06:35.000 How old was he back then?

00:06:38.000 I don't know.

00:06:38.000 He just turned 100. It was like 1990, so...

00:06:42.000 That was probably the beginning of the end, right?

00:06:44.000 He started losing a little.

00:06:46.000 He had a teleprompter on stage.

00:06:47.000 He wasn't completely out of it, but I think he died in 99, if I'm not mistaken.

00:06:54.000 He would forget his lyrics?

00:06:55.000 Yeah.

00:06:56.000 Oh, yeah.

00:06:56.000 Oh, wow.

00:06:57.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:06:58.000 Was it because he was so hammered?

00:06:59.000 No, no.

00:07:00.000 I just think he was getting older, and I think, to be honest, in my opinion, they kept him out there too long.

00:07:06.000 I think whoever the powers may be, I don't know who that was, I think he stayed a little too long there.

00:07:12.000 I hate to see him.

00:07:13.000 I saw him in 82 when I first...

00:07:15.000 I got to town in 80. I saw him 1981, 82, 83. In those days, it's Jesus.

00:07:21.000 I mean, that was something.

00:07:22.000 I saw Sammy Davis, you know.

00:07:23.000 Wow.

00:07:24.000 Yeah.

00:07:25.000 I saw all those, you know, Johnny Matts, all those guys that were there.

00:07:28.000 I saw a lot of stuff that people were gone, you know.

00:07:30.000 Yeah, you like caught the bridge for the last of the old school Vegas.

00:07:34.000 Exactly.

00:07:34.000 Absolutely.

00:07:34.000 When I moved in, it was 350,000 people.

00:07:37.000 Whoa.

00:07:38.000 I was friendly with the...

00:07:41.000 Casino, the Joe Pesci character.

00:07:43.000 Tony Spilaccio, that was his character.

00:07:45.000 I was friendly with that guy.

00:07:46.000 I was a bouncer.

00:07:47.000 He would come in the club all the time.

00:07:49.000 Paul Anko owned the club.

00:07:51.000 He always gave me a 20. He was giving me 20 hours for years.

00:07:55.000 If I was a bartender, he'd send up a 20. He was always a good guy to me.

00:07:59.000 Now, I don't know what he did, what he didn't do.

00:08:01.000 He was good to me.

00:08:02.000 I didn't know the De Niro character.

00:08:06.000 Him I never knew.

00:08:07.000 He was around, but I didn't know him.

00:08:08.000 But the Pesci character...

00:08:11.000 Tony Spalacho, and he had a guy, Fat Herbie.

00:08:14.000 And I was there.

00:08:15.000 His son got married.

00:08:15.000 I was the bouncer at the wedding to make sure FBI didn't get into the wedding.

00:08:21.000 Swear to God.

00:08:22.000 They had a bouncer at the wedding?

00:08:24.000 I was a bouncer that had a tuxedo.

00:08:26.000 I was a bouncer at the wedding to make sure nobody that's not on that list doesn't come in.

00:08:31.000 But they were worried about the FBI at the wedding?

00:08:32.000 They were worried because at the time, it was a small town.

00:08:36.000 It was easy.

00:08:37.000 They were doing whatever they were doing.

00:08:39.000 I mean, I don't know.

00:08:40.000 I mean, I was never privy to any of that, but they were around.

00:08:44.000 How close was he to the character that Joe Pesci played?

00:08:47.000 You know, I didn't see the nastiness.

00:08:50.000 Pesci caught the voice and the accent.

00:08:53.000 He has that Chicago thing, you know.

00:08:55.000 And I only saw him being like a gentleman, you know, to be honest.

00:08:59.000 He had kids, and I mean, that's all I saw.

00:09:01.000 You know, he had some drinks, he's in the club, but he didn't do anything crazy.

00:09:06.000 Well, they always exaggerate things for shows and movies.

00:09:08.000 Yeah, of course.

00:09:09.000 I mean, I would assume.

00:09:10.000 I don't know where they got it from, but...

00:09:12.000 Yeah.

00:09:12.000 I mean, you know, he was around.

00:09:14.000 He was kind of the boss in town, you know.

00:09:16.000 In the movie, he got beat to death with a baseball bat?

00:09:18.000 Is that what happened?

00:09:18.000 Yeah, and I think that did happen.

00:09:20.000 I think at a cornfield, him and his brother.

00:09:22.000 Oh.

00:09:22.000 Back in Chicago, yeah.

00:09:24.000 But...

00:09:25.000 You know, there was a small town.

00:09:27.000 Everybody knew everybody.

00:09:28.000 There was two clubs, no clubs, no clubs at all in the casinos.

00:09:32.000 There was no nightclubs.

00:09:34.000 Really?

00:09:34.000 No nightclubs.

00:09:35.000 That started in the 90s, I think, at the Rio.

00:09:37.000 Wow.

00:09:38.000 No nightclubs.

00:09:39.000 They had two clubs in town, Paul Anker on one.

00:09:42.000 And then there was another one.

00:09:43.000 Like, I would go to work at 1 in the morning to 9 in the morning, and I would leave, and the dance floor was packed.

00:09:49.000 At 9 o'clock, 9 a.m.

00:09:51.000 Wow.

00:09:52.000 And then people would go out from there.

00:09:53.000 It was just a completely different thing.

00:09:56.000 And all the entertainers would come out.

00:09:59.000 I mean, I saw O.J., and Cosby was out all the time, and Rich Little, and whoever was...

00:10:05.000 Bob Hope, man.

00:10:06.000 Bob Hope came into the club.

00:10:08.000 He left the...

00:10:09.000 The bathroom attended 30 cents.

00:10:12.000 30 cents!

00:10:13.000 What a cheap fuck!

00:10:17.000 That's hilarious that you remember that, though.

00:10:19.000 Yeah, well, you know, there's certain things.

00:10:21.000 I remember, what's his name, Copperfield gave me $2.

00:10:24.000 He said, hey...

00:10:26.000 If there's any girls, bring them over.

00:10:28.000 Two bucks.

00:10:28.000 I swear to my hand to God.

00:10:30.000 Oh my God.

00:10:31.000 Two dollars.

00:10:32.000 And he was headlining, but not that famous yet.

00:10:37.000 But he gave me like two bucks, three bucks.

00:10:39.000 He said, hey, you know, any girls, any single girls, bring them this way.

00:10:41.000 And in the meantime, I had guys giving me hundreds.

00:10:44.000 It was all dope dealers.

00:10:45.000 Back then, it was all crazy.

00:10:48.000 Did Cosby have the reputation back then?

00:10:50.000 No.

00:10:52.000 He didn't have a reputation of doing anything to the girls, but always chasing girls.

00:10:56.000 Always, always, always.

00:10:58.000 But he didn't have the reputation of drugging them?

00:10:59.000 No, no.

00:11:00.000 I didn't know anything about any of that.

00:11:02.000 I also knew that there was a time he didn't tip, you know.

00:11:06.000 There's a lot of these guys don't want to, you know.

00:11:08.000 You know, Scotty Pippen's famous.

00:11:10.000 No Tipping Pippen, that was his nickname.

00:11:12.000 Yeah, I heard that.

00:11:13.000 You know.

00:11:14.000 Horton Michael Jordan, you know.

00:11:17.000 And the worst of all is Tiger Woods.

00:11:19.000 What?

00:11:20.000 He's the absolute worst tipper you could ask anyone.

00:11:25.000 That's disgusting.

00:11:26.000 There was a girl that I knew.

00:11:27.000 She managed a restaurant and she was friendly with him.

00:11:31.000 And they would go out, you know, not just her and him, you know, like a group, whatever.

00:11:35.000 She said, I couldn't afford to go out with him anymore because I was leaving tips because he would, you know, I was costing me three, four hundred dollars just from cleaning up his mess.

00:11:45.000 Oh, my God.

00:11:46.000 Well, how does a guy do that?

00:11:48.000 I don't understand how a guy becomes that famous and that rich.

00:11:50.000 Because I think sometimes, Joe, I think guys think it's a privilege for you to have me in your place.

00:11:56.000 Wow.

00:11:57.000 I think it gets to that point.

00:11:58.000 I swear to God.

00:11:59.000 Crazy.

00:12:00.000 You know.

00:12:01.000 Listen, when I started making more money, I started taking better care of people.

00:12:04.000 I mean, I was always a good tipper, but come on, man.

00:12:07.000 You know, you're lucky enough to...

00:12:09.000 You know, you've done well.

00:12:10.000 Knock on wood, I've done well.

00:12:12.000 I mean, what the hell?

00:12:13.000 Pay it forward a little bit.

00:12:14.000 You don't feel it.

00:12:15.000 That's the thing.

00:12:16.000 Of course not.

00:12:16.000 Absolutely.

00:12:17.000 If I leave someone $100 at a dinner...

00:12:19.000 And you made their night.

00:12:21.000 Yeah.

00:12:21.000 You know, they go home and they...

00:12:23.000 Joe Rogan, you know, he gave me...

00:12:25.000 He took good care of me.

00:12:26.000 You made this guy's night.

00:12:28.000 This guy's probably got two kids or whatever.

00:12:29.000 You know what I mean?

00:12:30.000 You know what I like to do?

00:12:31.000 I like to do it and get the fuck out of there before they realize it.

00:12:33.000 I call it like leaving a love bomb.

00:12:34.000 I agree with you.

00:12:35.000 Just leave a bomb, get out of the room.

00:12:36.000 I agree with you, you know.

00:12:38.000 Yeah.

00:12:38.000 You know, I mean, you know, some people I think, and it happens a lot.

00:12:44.000 You hear it all the time.

00:12:45.000 A lot of athletes, especially, you know.

00:12:48.000 Yeah, well, the ego that's involved in being an athlete sometimes, like the, you know, the, I'm the man, I can't be stopped, you know, fuck everybody else, fuck the world.

00:12:56.000 I agree with you.

00:12:57.000 It sort of breeds it.

00:12:58.000 But there's fame, like, if you go, like, dealers in Vegas especially, because everybody comes through there, there's, like, I think it was Affleck when he was dating J-Lo, my buddy was a crap dealer.

00:13:10.000 And he left them five grand and she picked up 45, you know, in chips and she picked it all up at 500 and left 500. He left the 5,000 tip.

00:13:21.000 She picked it up.

00:13:22.000 What a cunt.

00:13:24.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:13:25.000 What a cunt.

00:13:26.000 She stole.

00:13:27.000 She's a fucking thief.

00:13:28.000 That's stealing.

00:13:29.000 He knew she did it, but she went, you ain't leaving that much.

00:13:32.000 Oh, fuck.

00:13:33.000 But you see it all the time.

00:13:35.000 All the time.

00:13:36.000 I remember guys that tipped me years ago, way back when.

00:13:41.000 Tony Dancer, who I'm friends with, gave me $20.

00:13:46.000 Like in 1981, he gave me a 20. But that's like a big part of the whole culture of Vegas is tipping.

00:13:52.000 Absolutely.

00:13:53.000 It always has been.

00:13:54.000 And the thing is, if you want to get treated right, you need to tip.

00:13:59.000 Yeah.

00:13:59.000 That's it.

00:14:00.000 Because it doesn't even take that much, Joe.

00:14:03.000 Guys don't understand.

00:14:04.000 They're waiting on line for three hours, like at the buffet.

00:14:07.000 Why don't you just give the guy $20, $10, and you'll get in the line right now.

00:14:12.000 Well, what I understand as a guy like Tiger Woods, he's not going to feel $100.

00:14:16.000 If he gives a bartender $100, that won't...

00:14:19.000 But that's a character flaw, man.

00:14:21.000 That's a character flaw that you just don't want to share.

00:14:24.000 I mean, they don't deserve it.

00:14:26.000 That's what that's all about.

00:14:27.000 It's just so crazy to me.

00:14:28.000 I just don't understand it.

00:14:29.000 Plus, if I want to get treated good, it doesn't matter who you are.

00:14:32.000 You could be a plumber from Encino and throw a few bucks around and you're going to get treated like a king for the night.

00:14:39.000 What's it take?

00:14:39.000 Well, that's what that whole town is about.

00:14:41.000 Or at least it was at one point in time.

00:14:42.000 That's what it was built on.

00:14:43.000 They kind of took that away because...

00:14:45.000 A lot of people, and it started with Steve Wynn.

00:14:48.000 A lot of people.

00:14:50.000 He was a big one.

00:14:52.000 He thought they were making too much money.

00:14:54.000 The dealers, the waitresses, the captains in the showroom.

00:14:58.000 I got a 90-year-old friend who was a captain in the showroom during Elvis at the Hilton.

00:15:02.000 He was making $800 a night cash in the 70s.

00:15:06.000 Whoa.

00:15:07.000 A lot of money.

00:15:08.000 What is that now?

00:15:09.000 That's probably like $8,000.

00:15:11.000 And Vegas, at the time, it still doesn't cost much to live in Vegas, but then it cost nothing.

00:15:19.000 So these guys were buying land and they were investing and buying Going out at night, and it was trickling down money.

00:15:27.000 Well, Wynn stopped all that, so he's the first guy to do the numbered seating.

00:15:31.000 I don't understand.

00:15:32.000 Well, he got rid of all those captains, maitre d's, waitresses, you know.

00:15:36.000 He got rid of them?

00:15:37.000 Well, they no longer...

00:15:40.000 When you have a show in Vegas, you have a number ticket to get in, right?

00:15:44.000 Those people know where they're going.

00:15:46.000 Okay.

00:15:46.000 All right?

00:15:47.000 It didn't used to be that way.

00:15:48.000 You used to buy, you know, you're going to go in, and then you tip the matron, $20, $30, $40, and you get a good seat.

00:15:55.000 That's what Vegas was built on for years and years and years.

00:15:58.000 He stopped all that.

00:16:00.000 Same thing with a dealer.

00:16:01.000 He didn't want them to make as much, so they put it on the check now.

00:16:05.000 They all pool, no matter whether you work hard or not.

00:16:08.000 So when you go to a blackjack game, and you've got a dealer that's a prick, and you say, this bitch, I'm not going to give her anything.

00:16:16.000 You don't tip her.

00:16:17.000 And then there's a nice guy, and you say, you know what, he's a lot of fun, I'm going to give him $100.

00:16:21.000 Well, at the end of the night, that all goes into a big pool.

00:16:25.000 24 hours a day.

00:16:27.000 Every dealer splits the money.

00:16:28.000 That sounds ridiculous.

00:16:30.000 Ridiculous.

00:16:31.000 So some guys are slackers, and they go, hey man, I ain't got to, I'm just going to be a robot and do what I do.

00:16:38.000 And no personality and lose all the flair.

00:16:41.000 That's exactly right.

00:16:42.000 That's so crazy.

00:16:43.000 Yeah.

00:16:44.000 Why did Steve Wynn decide to do that?

00:16:46.000 Because I think he thought people tipping big, making too much money, money that could have been, instead of tipping, he'll make the money.

00:16:54.000 You know, instead of me giving a maitre d'.

00:16:57.000 A hundred dollars for a good seat.

00:16:58.000 I'm just gonna charge them a hundred dollars for a seat.

00:17:01.000 And I'm gonna get the money.

00:17:02.000 And that's how it is now.

00:17:03.000 You know how expensive tickets are in Vegas?

00:17:05.000 Oh, that's awful.

00:17:06.000 A comedy club in Vegas costs like $60 or something.

00:17:10.000 Does it really?

00:17:11.000 Like the Brad Garrett club?

00:17:12.000 Yeah, I think it's like $60.

00:17:13.000 That's a nice little club.

00:17:14.000 Yeah, and it's done well.

00:17:16.000 It's him and the Laugh Factory now.

00:17:19.000 Other big ones.

00:17:20.000 The Riv went away.

00:17:21.000 The improv I just read is going away in May.

00:17:23.000 Is it?

00:17:23.000 They've been there a long time.

00:17:25.000 The Laugh Factory, Dice is doing a residency.

00:17:28.000 Oh, is he?

00:17:28.000 Yeah, he's doing like a temporary residency.

00:17:31.000 He's got it like blocked off, some dates blocked off.

00:17:33.000 He'll do well, he'll do well.

00:17:33.000 He's doing well, yeah.

00:17:34.000 He'll do well.

00:17:35.000 Well, he's got that new Showtime show now.

00:17:37.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:17:38.000 He had called me.

00:17:39.000 He wanted me to read for a role there, which I would have loved him because I think he's funny and he's good.

00:17:44.000 You would have been great on that.

00:17:45.000 He's a good actor.

00:17:46.000 He's very good.

00:17:47.000 I always thought he was a really good actor from way back from Crime Story.

00:17:51.000 Remember that?

00:17:51.000 I do remember that.

00:17:52.000 Did you ever see that Woody Allen movie that you did?

00:17:54.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:17:54.000 Blue Jasmine?

00:17:55.000 Absolutely.

00:17:55.000 He was excellent in that movie.

00:17:57.000 It was a really good actor.

00:17:58.000 He's a good actor.

00:17:59.000 He's done other stuff, too, before that.

00:18:02.000 I mean, it just finally, after all the other stuff, they recognized it.

00:18:07.000 And I think his show is funny.

00:18:09.000 It is funny.

00:18:10.000 And so is Natasha, his wife on the show.

00:18:13.000 She's fucking hilarious.

00:18:13.000 I saw Kevin Corrigan the other night in New York.

00:18:16.000 Oh, yeah?

00:18:16.000 Kevin plays his sidekick there.

00:18:18.000 Yeah.

00:18:18.000 Yeah, I saw him the other night.

00:18:20.000 I ran into him.

00:18:20.000 Well, Dice took a lot of shit for a long time, and now it's finally coming around.

00:18:24.000 It's cool to like Dice again.

00:18:26.000 Yeah, I guess.

00:18:28.000 Why it went so bad in the first place, I don't know.

00:18:30.000 It was MTV and political correctness, and it was just a different time.

00:18:35.000 Back then, they were trying to move away from that kind of humor that he was doing.

00:18:41.000 Yeah, but the thing is, you know, you're a comedian.

00:18:47.000 Who's to say who could say what on stage and what's funny and what's not funny?

00:18:51.000 And we could go round and round and I can't make a joke about this.

00:18:55.000 Well, that's what the whole thing's about.

00:18:56.000 Do you know a guy like Buddy Hackett and those old comics that used to do Polish jokes and Chinese jokes and Japanese jokes?

00:19:04.000 They couldn't even work now.

00:19:06.000 No, that's out of the picture.

00:19:07.000 You know those guys used to do the accents and all that nonsense.

00:19:12.000 You can still make fun of white people.

00:19:14.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:19:14.000 If you're a black guy, you can make fun of white people.

00:19:16.000 That's totally acceptable.

00:19:17.000 And you can't make fun of black people.

00:19:20.000 No.

00:19:21.000 No, no, no.

00:19:23.000 Even light-skinned black people have a hard time making fun of black people.

00:19:26.000 You've got to be very careful.

00:19:27.000 There you go.

00:19:30.000 Yeah, I don't get all that, but that's swung so far.

00:19:34.000 Joe, sometimes, and I'm not a political guy, I think that's so broken in the country, it can't be fixed.

00:19:40.000 Well, you know what it is, I think, is more people have opinions now.

00:19:43.000 More people can express their opinions now.

00:19:45.000 It's just a different world where there's so much coming at you from so many different angles.

00:19:50.000 And then people realize they can express their opinions.

00:19:53.000 So many people realize that if they say something on Facebook, it'll get a bunch of likes.

00:19:57.000 Or if they say something on Twitter...

00:19:58.000 Yeah, but it's easy to do that stuff anonymous.

00:20:01.000 A lot of people are anonymous.

00:20:02.000 They don't want to.

00:20:03.000 They don't want to, though.

00:20:03.000 A lot of people don't want to do it anonymous.

00:20:05.000 But they do it anonymous, is my point.

00:20:07.000 There's that, too.

00:20:07.000 I mean, there's people that could just...

00:20:10.000 You know, motherfuck you from now until forever, and you don't even know who the guy is.

00:20:14.000 That's true.

00:20:14.000 But when they see it, they still know they did it.

00:20:17.000 So that's why they're doing it.

00:20:18.000 They're doing it to get attention, even if the attention doesn't directly come to them in their, you know, as Steve Sharippa, their name.

00:20:24.000 It doesn't come at their name.

00:20:26.000 It's still, they know that fuckface69, the Twitter profile, they know they made that.

00:20:31.000 And so when they're saying something nasty about you, they know that they're the one that wrote it, and they give you respond.

00:20:37.000 Maybe they tell their friend, you know.

00:20:38.000 Yeah, there's just people.

00:20:40.000 People just, it's a new thing.

00:20:43.000 It's a new thing to be able to reach out to people.

00:20:45.000 It's a new thing to be able to protest people, to comment on people, and to be able to organize things like very easily.

00:20:51.000 Like if a comedian, like any comedian, you know, if they say something that someone thinks crosses a line, they can organize a boycott.

00:20:59.000 They want to get them kicked off a television show.

00:21:01.000 Absolutely.

00:21:02.000 I mean, it happens over and over and over.

00:21:03.000 They're keeping these guys from working.

00:21:05.000 Yeah.

00:21:05.000 Keeping these guys from working for what?

00:21:07.000 Well, because they're disgusting.

00:21:09.000 The Curt Schilling, they announced for ESPN that they just get fired because he doesn't believe the transgender bathroom thing.

00:21:16.000 Was that what he got fired for?

00:21:17.000 He got fired for that, and he kept on talking about it.

00:21:19.000 Well, you know what?

00:21:20.000 He had a picture that he put on Twitter that showed a guy in a dress with his tits hanging out that said, under this new law, this guy could share a bathroom with your daughter.

00:21:30.000 Yeah.

00:21:31.000 So you get fired for that?

00:21:33.000 Well, here's the deal.

00:21:36.000 That is possible.

00:21:37.000 And someone not admitting that, that doesn't help anybody.

00:21:41.000 I mean, it just doesn't.

00:21:42.000 It doesn't help a goddamn thing.

00:21:46.000 That is possible.

00:21:47.000 Like, you could get a fucking nutbag who wears a dress and wants to whip his cock out in front of women and says he's a woman.

00:21:54.000 That is a real thing.

00:21:56.000 I'm not saying that it should.

00:21:58.000 Yeah.

00:21:58.000 I mean, I'm not saying that that's the majority, but we gotta define what's a woman and what's not a woman.

00:22:05.000 If you're gonna allow transgender people to transition and become the other gender, whether it's woman to male, male to female, we gotta make some sort of a standard where we know that that's exactly what's going on and it's not just someone who's a crazy fuck,

00:22:20.000 who wants to wear a dress.

00:22:21.000 But how do you do that?

00:22:22.000 That's a good question.

00:22:23.000 How do you do that?

00:22:24.000 Well, that's why the idea of making people go to a bathroom that is their gender, what they're born with, like their sex, what's their chromosomes?

00:22:34.000 It's not preposterous.

00:22:35.000 And everybody's making it seem like it's bigoted to force people to use a bathroom that matches their chromosomes.

00:22:42.000 And that's kind of crazy.

00:22:44.000 And it's not saying that you should...

00:22:47.000 Discriminate against transgender people or people who feel like they were born in the wrong sex.

00:22:52.000 No, not at all.

00:22:53.000 Maybe we need to have three fucking bathrooms.

00:22:55.000 Yeah.

00:22:56.000 Maybe we need to have three bathrooms.

00:22:57.000 That's probably the easy way.

00:22:59.000 Maybe it should be male, female, and go for it.

00:23:01.000 Do you remember in Crazy Girls, I don't know if you remember, the girl that was the emcee, excuse me, John Asteele, she was a, I don't know, she got a buzzer chopped off, whatever that is.

00:23:16.000 I do remember because we met her.

00:23:18.000 Yeah, she was fine.

00:23:19.000 Joey Diaz and I met her and she showed it to Joey and Joey said it looked like a bat with its mouth open.

00:23:23.000 Oh, that's hilarious.

00:23:25.000 That's hilarious.

00:23:26.000 But she was, you know, I was friendly with her.

00:23:28.000 She was great.

00:23:28.000 She had the mind of a guy.

00:23:31.000 You know what I mean?

00:23:32.000 She went with a lot of different guys, and she was very funny.

00:23:35.000 Yeah, she was very funny.

00:23:37.000 Very funny.

00:23:37.000 And she looked a lot like a woman.

00:23:39.000 Absolutely.

00:23:39.000 I don't know if I would have known, if I would have known, you know what I'm saying?

00:23:42.000 And this is 19, what was it?

00:23:44.000 97 or something like that?

00:23:46.000 Oh, even before that.

00:23:47.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:23:49.000 But the bottom line about that kind of stuff is you're not allowed to even talk about it.

00:23:55.000 If you talk about it, you're a bigot.

00:23:56.000 Like, we have to leave open the possibility that there's some crazy fucks out there.

00:24:01.000 There's some guys that would just decide that all they have to do to hang in a woman's room is dress like a woman.

00:24:06.000 That doesn't mean that there aren't real transgenders.

00:24:10.000 Like, what was her name?

00:24:11.000 Jonah?

00:24:12.000 Jonah.

00:24:13.000 Like, Jonah.

00:24:15.000 Like, her going into a woman's bathroom?

00:24:17.000 Fuck, absolutely.

00:24:18.000 100%.

00:24:19.000 But what about Joey Diaz?

00:24:20.000 What if Joey Diaz put on a fucking dress?

00:24:22.000 I'm not joking around.

00:24:24.000 I mean, that is entirely possible.

00:24:26.000 There's a guy that said that he identifies as being a six-year-old girl.

00:24:32.000 He's a 52-year-old man.

00:24:34.000 He dresses up like a girl.

00:24:35.000 He's got parents.

00:24:36.000 He's got a daughter.

00:24:38.000 He's got a family.

00:24:39.000 And he identifies as being a six-year-old girl.

00:24:42.000 I mean, when do you stop that?

00:24:44.000 Is everybody just allowed to play make-believe?

00:24:46.000 I understand.

00:24:47.000 Steve, I think I'm a wolf.

00:24:49.000 I identify with being a wolf.

00:24:50.000 I'm gonna wear wolf skin everywhere, and I'm gonna lift my leg to piss on fire hydrants, just like a dog.

00:24:55.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:24:56.000 I think it's so, everything's so broken, Joe.

00:24:59.000 It's crazy!

00:24:59.000 It can't be fixed.

00:25:01.000 I think Colin, George Colin...

00:25:03.000 Look at this guy.

00:25:04.000 Meet the 52-year-old father who identifies as a six-year-old girl.

00:25:08.000 This is not a joke.

00:25:09.000 I mean, people are out of their fucking minds.

00:25:11.000 And the thing is, I can't deny I was married, I can't deny I have children, he says.

00:25:17.000 Well, then you're a fucking father!

00:25:19.000 Whatever happened to loving yourself?

00:25:22.000 Whatever happened to that?

00:25:23.000 Wasn't that something that was preached for the longest time?

00:25:25.000 Love yourself for who you are.

00:25:27.000 Don't try to change yourself.

00:25:28.000 Don't look to get your fucking chin shaved down, your eyebrows raised, and your nose shaved off.

00:25:34.000 But everybody does that.

00:25:35.000 I mean, this is the whole plastic surgery world now.

00:25:38.000 Right.

00:25:38.000 True.

00:25:39.000 True.

00:25:39.000 The whole plastic surgery.

00:25:41.000 At some point, a lot of these girls are going to look exactly the same.

00:25:45.000 Because you see some of them now.

00:25:47.000 Just regular girls.

00:25:48.000 Don't you see them?

00:25:48.000 Listen.

00:25:49.000 There's a lot of old ladies in my neighborhood that are fucking monster faces, is what I call them.

00:25:53.000 They get that rubber face.

00:25:54.000 Absolutely.

00:25:55.000 You know when they shoot the fillers in there and the whole face swells up?

00:25:59.000 And it looks like a monster.

00:26:00.000 They look alike.

00:26:02.000 Immobile kabuki mask.

00:26:04.000 The thing is this, how do you look and you look yourself in the mirror and go, you know...

00:26:09.000 It's dysmorphia.

00:26:10.000 This looks pretty good.

00:26:11.000 Hey, listen, how many actresses have ruined their careers because they changed their face?

00:26:16.000 Oh, quite a few.

00:26:17.000 Quite a few.

00:26:17.000 Well, I think the problem is they think that they look different than they look.

00:26:22.000 You think so?

00:26:22.000 And they think that it's going to work.

00:26:24.000 They think it's going to work, and then everybody else sees them, and then they see what everybody else sees, and they go, oh my god, what have I done?

00:26:30.000 Yeah, Jesus Christ.

00:26:31.000 It's dysmorphia.

00:26:32.000 It's the same thing anorexics have.

00:26:33.000 It's the same thing bodybuilders have where they think that they look normal and they're fucking gigantic and they think they're too small.

00:26:38.000 You know, it's body dysmorphia.

00:26:40.000 That's what it is.

00:26:41.000 People are crazy.

00:26:42.000 I don't have to worry about that, Joe.

00:26:43.000 You're alright, dude.

00:26:44.000 You've always been fine.

00:26:45.000 It is what it is.

00:26:46.000 It ain't gonna do this.

00:26:47.000 Here we go.

00:26:48.000 But that attitude of it is what it is is really what we should all have.

00:26:52.000 Well, that's how...

00:26:53.000 Look, when I was younger, I was in better shape.

00:26:57.000 You know, I played ball.

00:26:58.000 I was an athlete in college.

00:26:59.000 I gained weight.

00:27:01.000 You know, I got laid as much as I wanted for when I was young and in Vegas and all that.

00:27:08.000 And then I gained weight.

00:27:09.000 I try to watch.

00:27:11.000 But what it is, I'm not going to change the way I look like I'm going to be a leading man.

00:27:14.000 It is what it is.

00:27:15.000 That's it.

00:27:16.000 A girl says you want makeup?

00:27:17.000 We're doing a show.

00:27:18.000 It doesn't really matter.

00:27:19.000 Yeah, it's just the idea of you being better looking because you're less shiny.

00:27:23.000 It's always been bizarre.

00:27:24.000 It is what it is.

00:27:25.000 I'm not an anchor man.

00:27:26.000 They have a lot of makeup.

00:27:27.000 You ever do a talk show and you're looking at the guy and you're going, I can't believe how much makeup this guy is fucking wearing.

00:27:32.000 Oh, they cake it on.

00:27:34.000 There's a lot of those shows where they literally change what they look like.

00:27:38.000 Like if you look at them in real life...

00:27:39.000 Yeah, they tell you, you know...

00:27:41.000 Well, HDTV fucked a lot of that up for those guys.

00:27:44.000 Absolutely.

00:27:44.000 Well, a lot of people.

00:27:45.000 I mean, even myself, I don't like to watch myself.

00:27:49.000 I'm doing Blue Bloods now.

00:27:51.000 I'm looking at myself and going, I just got a big screen, 65 inches.

00:27:55.000 My head's fucking giant.

00:27:56.000 It's filling up the whole 65 inches.

00:27:59.000 What is Blue Bloods?

00:28:00.000 Blue Bloods is CBS. It's a one-hour drama, Tom Selleck, Donnie Wahlberg.

00:28:06.000 Oh, you're working with Tom Selleck.

00:28:07.000 Yeah, I started in October.

00:28:09.000 It's a really good show.

00:28:10.000 It's out next to...

00:28:12.000 There's two shows left.

00:28:14.000 Friday night, I got a big one.

00:28:15.000 I joined in October.

00:28:16.000 It's a really good show, and I play a DA investigator, so I'm on the other side of the law, you know?

00:28:21.000 Oh, nice.

00:28:22.000 And...

00:28:23.000 It's really good.

00:28:24.000 The writing's really good.

00:28:25.000 You'll be surprised.

00:28:26.000 It's a network show, and it's really, really good.

00:28:29.000 They just got picked up for a seventh season.

00:28:31.000 What's Tom Selleck like?

00:28:33.000 You know, I met him twice.

00:28:34.000 I didn't work with him, because I'm working with Bridget Moynihan mostly.

00:28:38.000 It was very nice.

00:28:39.000 She's great, too.

00:28:40.000 She's great, great.

00:28:42.000 He came into the trailer.

00:28:43.000 He said, you're doing great work.

00:28:45.000 Thanks for being here.

00:28:46.000 I shook my hand a few times and I haven't seen him.

00:28:49.000 So you don't have the scenes together?

00:28:50.000 No, because it's kind of, the way it's worked so far is, you know, I worked with Donnie Wahlberg once who was a great guy.

00:28:56.000 And then I work with her all the time.

00:28:59.000 I haven't worked with anyone else, you know.

00:29:01.000 Other guest stars, but it's been good.

00:29:03.000 We're shooting New York all over the city, so the city's like another character.

00:29:09.000 It's shooting every borough.

00:29:11.000 So you're living in New York now?

00:29:13.000 I live in New York.

00:29:13.000 I live downtown.

00:29:14.000 Yeah, I've been there.

00:29:15.000 I sold my house in Vegas a few years ago, but I've been in there with my family since about 2002. Do you like it?

00:29:22.000 Yeah, I like it.

00:29:22.000 Not too crazy?

00:29:24.000 Well, it's a little crazy.

00:29:25.000 De Blasio's a piece of garbage.

00:29:27.000 You know, he's a bad guy.

00:29:29.000 Just a bad guy.

00:29:30.000 Yeah, and he put the city in the toilet, and there's a lot of homeless.

00:29:34.000 But he got rid of the big gulp.

00:29:36.000 Yeah, but you know, that's to the other extreme.

00:29:41.000 Nah, this guy's a jackass.

00:29:42.000 I mean, this guy wanted to separate the city between the cops, and he did it.

00:29:47.000 He's a bad guy, this guy.

00:29:48.000 And now he's under investigation.

00:29:50.000 For what?

00:29:51.000 For campaign fraud and all kinds of shit.

00:29:53.000 The FBI came in.

00:29:55.000 So...

00:29:56.000 I like it.

00:29:57.000 It's crazy, but it's great.

00:29:58.000 There's always something going on.

00:29:59.000 It's vibrant.

00:30:00.000 I like Southern California.

00:30:02.000 You know, I'm looking, you know, rent a place here, too, also.

00:30:05.000 But I like it.

00:30:06.000 I like New York, you know.

00:30:07.000 I got my friends are there.

00:30:08.000 I'm from there, you know.

00:30:09.000 It's insane.

00:30:11.000 You know, you've been spending time.

00:30:13.000 There's crazy people.

00:30:15.000 Yeah, I looked at a place there for a while, a while ago, like maybe two, three years ago, I thought about it.

00:30:20.000 I just had a wild hair across my ass.

00:30:21.000 Listen, my kids were born there.

00:30:23.000 You know, both of my daughters grew up there.

00:30:26.000 I mean, my kids were born in Vegas, but they grew up there in New York.

00:30:29.000 And my wife was born in Vegas, and she loves it there.

00:30:32.000 I mean, you've got some money.

00:30:34.000 It's not the worst place in the world to live.

00:30:36.000 You've got to have money.

00:30:37.000 You've got to have money because it's ridiculously expensive.

00:30:39.000 Well, it's changed, too.

00:30:40.000 It's become like bankers.

00:30:42.000 A buddy of mine was talking about that it used to be Judah.

00:30:45.000 You know Judah Freelander?

00:30:46.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:30:47.000 Judah was saying that it used to be a lot of artists, but now it's...

00:30:50.000 This is the problem.

00:30:52.000 In 20 years when the rent control shit expires, you're going to have to be wealthy to live in Manhattan.

00:30:59.000 You're going to have to be literally wealthy.

00:31:01.000 So all the kids that want to become comics and artists and actors and dancers and they get out of high school and college can't afford to live there unless they have rich parents or parents that could help them.

00:31:12.000 They can't afford.

00:31:12.000 So they're living in Bed-Stuy and other neighborhoods, which it's good for the neighborhoods because they're changing, but they live in four and five to a two-bedroom apartment.

00:31:22.000 Yeah, a buddy of mine got a place in Bed-Stuy because he was working for a production company in New York.

00:31:27.000 You can't do it any other way.

00:31:28.000 And he said they started cleaning the house up and they found out all the paint in the house was lead.

00:31:33.000 Yeah.

00:31:33.000 And he had a kid.

00:31:34.000 He's like, we gotta get the fuck out of here.

00:31:35.000 Like, this place has toxic paint.

00:31:37.000 So, you know, you gotta go further out to Queens, further out to Brooklyn, you know, where it's still affordable, but, you know, it's an hour into the city.

00:31:44.000 Fuck that.

00:31:45.000 You know, by train.

00:31:46.000 But if you could...

00:31:47.000 Look, I live in Manhattan.

00:31:48.000 I bought a condo years ago, a three-bedroom.

00:31:50.000 You know, I got a nice place.

00:31:52.000 If you could afford it, it's great.

00:31:54.000 But at some point, if it doesn't stop, places are out of business, stores.

00:32:00.000 The guy's out of business for 30 years, the lease is up, he's gone.

00:32:06.000 Everyone's a greedy pig.

00:32:08.000 Well, it's just the whole landscape of the city is changing.

00:32:10.000 And when I talk to comics, they say the audiences are changing, too.

00:32:14.000 It's like you're dealing with Wall Street people.

00:32:17.000 I don't know.

00:32:18.000 I haven't been to a comedy club in quite a while.

00:32:21.000 I don't know that...

00:32:23.000 I mean, you've got Caroline's and Gotham.

00:32:26.000 Well, Caroline's is really a tourist trap.

00:32:29.000 You've got Gotham.

00:32:30.000 It's a great club.

00:32:31.000 I mean, it still has great acts, but it's not like a big local scene.

00:32:36.000 You've got the stand is a big local scene, the cellar.

00:32:41.000 You've got a lot of clubs where comics work out at, but Caroline's is more of like someone's out of town, they go in there and they do a weekend headline.

00:32:51.000 Well, it's right in Times Square.

00:32:52.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:32:53.000 You know, I haven't, you know, I'm not privy to that, you know, but it's, you can't, those kids that want, you want to be an actor, you better have a rich mother and father.

00:33:03.000 When I lived there, I lived in New Rochelle, because I couldn't afford to park my car, and I needed a car for road gigs.

00:33:09.000 Yeah.

00:33:10.000 But it was not, I mean, it was ridiculous back then, it was expensive.

00:33:13.000 When did you live there?

00:33:15.000 I think I moved there in 91 or 92. Somewhere around there.

00:33:20.000 And I lived there.

00:33:21.000 I lived in New Rochelle.

00:33:22.000 I kept an apartment there for three years.

00:33:24.000 So, 90...

00:33:25.000 To about 90...

00:33:27.000 Somewhere around 95-ish.

00:33:28.000 Probably that apartment's worth...

00:33:31.000 Double now.

00:33:32.000 I don't know.

00:33:32.000 It was a small little shitty place in a weird neighborhood.

00:33:35.000 You know, because it's just gotten way out of control, and these landlords, and I tell you, the de Blasio's really split the city.

00:33:42.000 I mean, I'm not just saying that.

00:33:44.000 I don't get into politics.

00:33:46.000 I don't know that.

00:33:47.000 I think that was his intention.

00:33:50.000 You know, he's big friends with Al Sharpton.

00:33:52.000 Al Sharpton, sometimes I wonder if this guy is running the city.

00:33:55.000 Well, what do you think a guy like that does?

00:33:57.000 Why do they do that?

00:33:58.000 Is it a political calculation?

00:34:00.000 They think this is the way to get the black vote and white people are just going to go along with it?

00:34:04.000 Absolutely.

00:34:04.000 And let me tell you another thing.

00:34:06.000 A guy like Al Sharpton, he makes his money by shaking people down.

00:34:09.000 I mean I have a friend of mine who's a builder there who I could tell you flat out over the years he's given them envelopes because you know what they do is they come they'll say you know what we got the coalition here we're gonna shut down you know gonna shut your job down unless you hire ten guys and I'm not even saying black white Spanish I'm not even saying what it is this is what these guys do and either you hire the ten guys Or they get an envelope.

00:34:37.000 And this is what goes on.

00:34:38.000 This is what goes on.

00:34:40.000 Well, Jesse Jackson's been accused of that forever.

00:34:42.000 Jesse Jackson, and this is a fact, in Vegas in the 80s, the frontier was on strike for like six or seven years from the food and beverage, you know, the waiters and the bartenders.

00:34:54.000 They paid him 25 grand to march with them down the strip.

00:34:58.000 They closed the strip down.

00:34:59.000 25 grand!

00:35:01.000 Wow.

00:35:01.000 People are coming up to Jesse Jackson going, hey, you know, that's great.

00:35:05.000 Thank you, man.

00:35:06.000 Thank you.

00:35:07.000 You know, and in the meantime, he got paid.

00:35:10.000 Yeah, well, that was his hustle.

00:35:11.000 The Rainbow Coalition would come in and give diversity lessons to everybody that worked there.

00:35:17.000 You know, they would have these clinics where they would teach people how to be more diverse.

00:35:23.000 What's Al Sharpton done?

00:35:24.000 He owes taxes, he owes this, he owes that.

00:35:27.000 He's a hustler.

00:35:29.000 Couldn't be a bigger hustler.

00:35:30.000 I think he could kill somebody in broad daylight, he'll get away somehow.

00:35:34.000 He walked in front of the Comedy Store one night.

00:35:36.000 He was walking down the street, walking right in front of the Comedy Store, and me and a bunch of other comedians just started heckling him as he was walking by.

00:35:44.000 Did he say anything?

00:35:45.000 Al Sharpton, get that money!

00:35:47.000 Go get that money, Al!

00:35:48.000 He loved it.

00:35:49.000 He probably liked that.

00:35:50.000 He's a hustler.

00:35:51.000 We ain't mad at you!

00:35:52.000 Go get that money!

00:35:53.000 I mean, he's been in the White House how many times, this guy?

00:35:56.000 So many times!

00:35:56.000 I mean, the guy's in the White House!

00:35:57.000 Well, not only that, if you go back to his history, no white guy would have ever gotten away with that.

00:36:02.000 What he did was he got into the public's eye because of a false rape accusation.

00:36:07.000 Absolutely, Tawana.

00:36:08.000 Totally made up story.

00:36:10.000 Tawana, and he's never admitted to that.

00:36:12.000 No.

00:36:13.000 Well, it was proven.

00:36:14.000 I mean, it was absolutely proven.

00:36:16.000 Absolutely.

00:36:16.000 And he ruined that guy's life up there, and the guy sued.

00:36:20.000 Yeah.

00:36:21.000 But he's in the White House.

00:36:24.000 Yeah.

00:36:24.000 He's in the White House.

00:36:25.000 I know.

00:36:25.000 So, you know, we go on and on and on.

00:36:27.000 How does that happen?

00:36:28.000 I mean, how does someone not step away from that?

00:36:30.000 That's why I'm telling you it's so broke, it can't be fixed.

00:36:33.000 You've got to drop out of sight, Joe.

00:36:34.000 What are we going to do?

00:36:35.000 I don't know.

00:36:36.000 Alaska?

00:36:36.000 Is that the move?

00:36:37.000 I don't think that's...

00:36:38.000 I'm thinking Anchorage.

00:36:39.000 I like it up there.

00:36:41.000 Hawaii.

00:36:41.000 Hawaii is too dangerous.

00:36:43.000 The sharks, the waves, the fucking storms.

00:36:45.000 I don't know where you go anymore.

00:36:47.000 I don't know either, but I don't want to be in the middle of the ocean.

00:36:50.000 It's just too dangerous.

00:36:51.000 Although it has been there for thousands of years, and I won't be here for thousands of years.

00:36:54.000 So it's tempting in that regard.

00:36:56.000 We're doomed.

00:36:57.000 We are doomed.

00:36:58.000 I don't know.

00:36:59.000 I like where people are so...

00:37:00.000 I'm thinking Montana.

00:37:00.000 That might be a good spot.

00:37:02.000 They don't give a fuck up there.

00:37:03.000 There's not many people.

00:37:05.000 They don't give a fuck.

00:37:06.000 Rich Hall lives there.

00:37:07.000 Does he?

00:37:07.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:37:09.000 Montana, absolutely.

00:37:10.000 Harris, Pete, and Rich Hall.

00:37:11.000 Oh, that's right.

00:37:11.000 Harris, Pete used to take care of his place, right?

00:37:13.000 They live up there, yeah.

00:37:14.000 Because I'd film something up there.

00:37:16.000 No, they don't live together, no.

00:37:17.000 How could...

00:37:18.000 Harris, Pete, yeah.

00:37:19.000 I was like, how could Rich Hall get along with Harris, Pete?

00:37:21.000 And there's...

00:37:23.000 I was up there.

00:37:24.000 It's a strange place.

00:37:26.000 Not a bad place, just not for me.

00:37:28.000 I'm not one of them guys.

00:37:30.000 I'm not an outdoor guy.

00:37:31.000 I can't...

00:37:31.000 You're not an outdoor guy?

00:37:32.000 I can't do anything.

00:37:34.000 I can't change a light bulb.

00:37:35.000 I like how you're moving your hands around.

00:37:36.000 I can't have a light bulb.

00:37:37.000 I gotta call the guy downstairs.

00:37:38.000 Could you change the bulb?

00:37:40.000 I gotta live in a doorman building.

00:37:42.000 I don't know.

00:37:42.000 A doorman building.

00:37:44.000 Could you fix this?

00:37:45.000 That's your environment.

00:37:46.000 Your natural habitat.

00:37:47.000 I don't know shit.

00:37:47.000 I don't know anything.

00:37:49.000 I gotta tip somebody.

00:37:50.000 Your natural habitat's a doorman building.

00:37:52.000 That's fucking hilarious.

00:37:54.000 I'll tip somebody to do it.

00:37:55.000 So you're making spaghetti sauce now.

00:37:58.000 I ate it last night and I had it today.

00:38:00.000 I just want to tell you, it's very good.

00:38:02.000 It's very good.

00:38:03.000 Good sauce.

00:38:03.000 No bullshit.

00:38:04.000 How the fuck did you get involved in making spaghetti sauce?

00:38:06.000 I had my buddy, my buddy Joe, right?

00:38:09.000 My mother had passed away a few years ago.

00:38:11.000 He said, let's do something for your mother.

00:38:13.000 Come on, let's do something.

00:38:14.000 You know, he's an entrepreneur kind of guy, you know.

00:38:16.000 And so we got the recipe.

00:38:19.000 And now my wife runs Marathon.

00:38:20.000 She's healthy.

00:38:21.000 She eats organic, blah, blah, blah.

00:38:22.000 We made it organic.

00:38:24.000 It took a while.

00:38:25.000 We had to throw out a lot of sauce and give it to shelters and stuff like that because it was too loose and it was, you know, not bad.

00:38:32.000 It just wasn't what we wanted.

00:38:34.000 We got it.

00:38:35.000 It's organic, gluten-free, non-GMO, Uncle Steve's.

00:38:39.000 You go to UncleStevesNY.com, we sell it.

00:38:42.000 We just got here in Albertsons, Vons, Pavilion.

00:38:46.000 We're in Whole Foods, Fairway, all over the country.

00:38:51.000 We're in 3,000 stores.

00:38:52.000 There it is, right here, Uncle Steve's.

00:38:54.000 I ate it.

00:38:56.000 I ate it this morning.

00:38:57.000 If you didn't know it came out of a jar, and I'm not lying, I don't eat jar sauce.

00:39:00.000 You know, that's that whole Italian thing.

00:39:02.000 And I never did, just because I never did.

00:39:06.000 My wife would cook, you know, when I was a kid, my mother, my grandmother.

00:39:09.000 And the sauce is that good.

00:39:11.000 It's very good.

00:39:12.000 My wife hasn't made sauce in a long time.

00:39:14.000 Yeah, I ate it last night, like I said, and I ate it this morning.

00:39:17.000 I ate some this morning.

00:39:18.000 I'll send you more.

00:39:19.000 We got three kinds.

00:39:19.000 I got six cases.

00:39:20.000 You sent me six cases.

00:39:22.000 Maranata, tomato basil.

00:39:23.000 Did you try the arrabbiata yet?

00:39:24.000 No, I've only tried the marinara.

00:39:26.000 The arrabbiata is very spicy, if you like it.

00:39:29.000 That's the biggest seller, but it's hot.

00:39:31.000 Keep it away from the kids.

00:39:32.000 Yeah, oh yeah.

00:39:32.000 No, no, no, no.

00:39:33.000 It's that spicy?

00:39:34.000 It's spicy.

00:39:35.000 Wow.

00:39:35.000 I mean, it's good spicy.

00:39:36.000 People like it.

00:39:37.000 My kids are 20, 24. They like it.

00:39:40.000 They can handle it.

00:39:41.000 But not for me.

00:39:42.000 It's too wild for me.

00:39:43.000 You don't like spicy sauce?

00:39:45.000 No, no.

00:39:45.000 Really?

00:39:45.000 I'm not a spicy guy?

00:39:46.000 Nah.

00:39:46.000 No?

00:39:47.000 So we're doing good with it.

00:39:49.000 I mean, fuck.

00:39:51.000 That's amazing.

00:39:52.000 That way we don't have to go sit in a waiting room and audition for bullshit.

00:39:57.000 You know what I mean?

00:39:58.000 It's always a good idea to have alternate sources of income.

00:40:01.000 You don't remember this.

00:40:02.000 We auditioned for something.

00:40:04.000 It was a movie.

00:40:06.000 Not the same role, but it was a movie.

00:40:09.000 The guy, Dave Sheridan, you know?

00:40:11.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:40:12.000 And we were there and I said to you, who's that fucking guy in you?

00:40:16.000 And I don't know who the fuck...

00:40:17.000 He was the star of the movie.

00:40:19.000 And he heard us.

00:40:20.000 I've talked about...

00:40:21.000 I got that movie.

00:40:22.000 I did that movie.

00:40:22.000 Oh, did you?

00:40:23.000 I talked about that story because...

00:40:25.000 Not you auditioning, but that whole movie story because that kid was talented.

00:40:28.000 Yeah.

00:40:29.000 He was funny as shit.

00:40:30.000 And he was doing okay.

00:40:31.000 I don't know what it is.

00:40:31.000 Well, that movie was dog shit.

00:40:34.000 And one of the reasons why it was dog shit is because all these executives, because he was funny, and they made him the star of the movie, but he was a nobody, as far as, like, people didn't know who he was.

00:40:42.000 They all were telling him what to do.

00:40:44.000 Like, I watched a guy with a fucking Rolex on, and expensive cufflinks, and suspenders, Frank McCluskey's CI. That's it.

00:40:52.000 That's it.

00:40:53.000 Because I did a movie with the producer...

00:40:56.000 I did his movie before that.

00:40:58.000 I did the movie where we're trying to put a hit on the dog.

00:41:01.000 See, Spot Run.

00:41:03.000 Me and Paul Savino.

00:41:04.000 Oh, that's hilarious.

00:41:05.000 And then I met you.

00:41:07.000 You just happened to be there and I was there.

00:41:09.000 Yeah.

00:41:09.000 And he was across the way from us saying, who's this fucking Dave Sheridan, you know?

00:41:15.000 I saw he was the star, and I didn't know who he was.

00:41:17.000 I didn't get it.

00:41:18.000 I went for an attorney, I think.

00:41:21.000 Well, when I was on the set, like, the kid was really funny.

00:41:24.000 He's really talented.

00:41:25.000 Like, he's a very funny, like, real slapstick-y, big, like, Jim Carrey-style comic actor.

00:41:31.000 And this guy with the Rolex and the cufflinks and the tailored suit, like, suspenders, super rich guy, right?

00:41:37.000 He's giving them line readings.

00:41:39.000 I mean, he's telling this kid, like literally, when you come in, when you come in, I want you to go, what is this?

00:41:46.000 He's acting it out, and he's like telling him how to do it, and then he sits there in front of the camera and makes sure the guy does it exactly the way he wants her to do it.

00:41:53.000 And you see Dave Sheridan going, what the fuck is this shit?

00:41:55.000 I can't believe I'm going to do this.

00:41:56.000 Because the kid was naturally funny.

00:41:58.000 And when you got someone who's funny, the last thing you want to do is tell them how to be funny.

00:42:03.000 Just leave them the fuck alone.

00:42:04.000 Of course.

00:42:04.000 Make him feel comfortable.

00:42:05.000 Make him feel comfortable.

00:42:06.000 You're talking about somebody with common sense.

00:42:09.000 I mean, what are you?

00:42:10.000 Well, they just have so much money.

00:42:11.000 They have so much money, and they have so much influence, and they want to make that monkey dance.

00:42:15.000 I haven't seen...

00:42:16.000 I don't know if he's working.

00:42:17.000 I don't know.

00:42:18.000 I haven't heard much of him.

00:42:19.000 I don't know.

00:42:20.000 But it's just...

00:42:20.000 How about when that...

00:42:21.000 He was a nice guy, though.

00:42:22.000 Was he a good guy?

00:42:23.000 A real nice guy.

00:42:23.000 I worked with him.

00:42:24.000 I had a great time.

00:42:25.000 He was a real nice guy.

00:42:25.000 You know, it's just like comics years ago.

00:42:30.000 The managers of the club used to tell them how to do their act.

00:42:35.000 What the fuck?

00:42:35.000 I never told a guy ever.

00:42:37.000 Never told a guy.

00:42:41.000 There's certain things like at the Riv you couldn't do.

00:42:44.000 Just don't knock the hotel.

00:42:46.000 Don't knock the hotel.

00:42:48.000 Say the whole, it's a shithole and this and that.

00:42:50.000 Like I hired a guy, he went on the radio, he was saying, what a shithole.

00:42:56.000 And my boss called me and he said, this guy, who's this fucking guy on the radio?

00:43:01.000 And I went, he said, he's gone, don't bring him back.

00:43:04.000 So I called the guy, he said, why did you do that?

00:43:06.000 I gave you a job.

00:43:07.000 Now why the fuck did you do that?

00:43:09.000 They think they're being killed.

00:43:10.000 And I don't get it.

00:43:12.000 So you can't come back.

00:43:14.000 But I never would tell someone, hey Joe, that joke you did.

00:43:17.000 That's not funny.

00:43:18.000 Don't do that joke.

00:43:20.000 Don't do that.

00:43:21.000 They were working as a fucking busboy three weeks ago.

00:43:25.000 Now they're running a comedy club and they're telling you what to do.

00:43:28.000 Well, people like that, though.

00:43:30.000 They like telling people what to do.

00:43:32.000 They always have.

00:43:32.000 I understand that.

00:43:34.000 But, you know, because you got the job at the club or whatever, now suddenly you're in show business.

00:43:40.000 Well, again, you're speaking like logic.

00:43:41.000 I mean, you know, you're in show business.

00:43:43.000 I mean, you know, how suddenly, you know?

00:43:46.000 It can't make sense.

00:43:47.000 There's no sense in this town.

00:43:48.000 It's not a sense town.

00:43:50.000 This is not a sense business.

00:43:51.000 This is a business of navigating egos and trying to find your own voice and navigating your own ego.

00:43:59.000 It's nice when you don't have to, you know...

00:44:02.000 When you don't have to, you know, you're not struggling, you know, and it's okay, and you can tell a guy to fuck off, and I'm not gonna do that, and you know what, fuck you, man.

00:44:10.000 I'm not coming, I'm not working for that money and that thing.

00:44:14.000 Exactly.

00:44:14.000 You know, unfortunately not everybody, I don't have fuck you money, I have fuck money, but you know.

00:44:20.000 The fuck you money is nice, you know, where you don't have to...

00:44:24.000 But it's hard.

00:44:25.000 It's hard to get to that point, man.

00:44:26.000 It's very hard to get fuck you money.

00:44:27.000 And most people, when they get fuck you money, they're always terrified they're going to lose the fuck you money, so they never say fuck you.

00:44:32.000 Yeah.

00:44:32.000 Fuck you money is wasted on the people that are afraid to say fuck you.

00:44:35.000 Very well said, my friend.

00:44:36.000 Very well said.

00:44:39.000 It's just so funny knowing you for so long and then seeing you, you know, doing so well now as an actor.

00:44:45.000 And I mean, it's a beautiful thing.

00:44:47.000 It's also beautiful for me because I know that you're not a classically trained actor.

00:44:52.000 And I've always told people it's not that fucking hard.

00:44:54.000 This is not like a guy who's never done it before stepping in and doing brain surgery.

00:44:58.000 No, of course, of course.

00:45:00.000 But, you know, listen, I got the job on The Sopranos.

00:45:03.000 I did everything like opposite.

00:45:04.000 Of course, I had been dabbling here and there, right?

00:45:06.000 So then I got the job, and then I worked with a coach.

00:45:09.000 And I still work with a coach now.

00:45:10.000 When I got a big episode on Blue Blood, she comes over to the house.

00:45:15.000 You know Dom's friend, Joanna Beckson, you know her?

00:45:17.000 No.

00:45:17.000 She worked with a lot of comics.

00:45:19.000 Okay.

00:45:19.000 She comes over the house.

00:45:21.000 I go over the lines.

00:45:22.000 We talk about it, blah, blah, blah.

00:45:23.000 And when you do that, do you read with her?

00:45:27.000 Does she read along with you?

00:45:28.000 Yeah, what I'll do is I started learning the lines.

00:45:33.000 Then we'll talk about it.

00:45:34.000 What do you think here?

00:45:35.000 I have my ideas already.

00:45:36.000 She'll give me some notes.

00:45:38.000 That's a good idea.

00:45:39.000 It's good to get...

00:45:40.000 Even Gandafini had...

00:45:42.000 Two different acting coaches.

00:45:43.000 He worked with this girl, Susan, for years that helped.

00:45:47.000 You get a different perspective.

00:45:48.000 Oh, you know what?

00:45:49.000 I didn't think of that.

00:45:50.000 I didn't think that way.

00:45:51.000 Yeah, you're right.

00:45:52.000 So that kind of shit.

00:45:53.000 Now, look, ultimately, you get on the set, you're going to do what you're doing.

00:45:56.000 The director's going to, hey, Steve, you know, you shouldn't be so angry there.

00:46:00.000 Whatever he thinks, and the guy that wrote it.

00:46:03.000 You know what I mean?

00:46:04.000 But I worked very hard at it, and I worked for years now.

00:46:08.000 Now, don't forget, I'm making a living for 16 years as an actor.

00:46:11.000 I left the Riviera in 2000. Isn't that crazy?

00:46:14.000 Yeah, 16 years.

00:46:15.000 And I've done a lot of shit.

00:46:17.000 This is you saying that 2000 was 16 years ago makes me go, what?

00:46:21.000 Is that right?

00:46:22.000 I started on The Sopranos in 99. I went back and forth for a year.

00:46:27.000 I did six episodes.

00:46:29.000 I was still at the Riv.

00:46:30.000 What is it like?

00:46:31.000 That one must have been fucking strange.

00:46:33.000 I was still at the Riv, and then I booked it for 10 years.

00:46:35.000 I booked the Riv until 2010. Chris Rock said, you're still dipping your toe in that shit?

00:46:40.000 I said, why not?

00:46:42.000 They're paying me.

00:46:43.000 What the fuck?

00:46:44.000 How hard is it?

00:46:44.000 How hard is it to fucking book three comics a week?

00:46:46.000 I could do it in three days, book up six months.

00:46:49.000 That's hilarious.

00:46:50.000 You know, I book guys that, you know, that didn't work much, you know?

00:46:54.000 Well, I think your point is the really important part of what you're saying is like the getting a different perspective where a guy like Gandolfini, you would imagine he was so good.

00:47:02.000 You would imagine that he probably looked at it from all sorts of different angles.

00:47:05.000 Yes, he did.

00:47:06.000 And you saw a lot of different colors.

00:47:08.000 Yeah.

00:47:09.000 He would work 16 hours, okay?

00:47:13.000 16 hour days on the Sopranos.

00:47:15.000 He's there.

00:47:16.000 So, I mean, the guy gets up whatever time he got up.

00:47:18.000 Then he's got to go home and learn tomorrow's stuff.

00:47:22.000 So sometimes he told me he'd be sitting in the chair.

00:47:25.000 He'd fall asleep for two hours.

00:47:27.000 He wakes up.

00:47:28.000 She's still there.

00:47:29.000 Just waiting for him to wake up, and they're going to work on the stuff for tomorrow.

00:47:33.000 Whoa.

00:47:34.000 Yeah, and nine months of that.

00:47:36.000 Don't forget, you know, the Sopranos, Joe, they were...

00:47:38.000 When I got on the show, it was like eight days.

00:47:41.000 I came on the second season, so it was like eight days for an episode, then nine, then ten.

00:47:46.000 At the last season, it was...

00:47:48.000 We shot nine shows in nine months.

00:47:51.000 Holy shit.

00:47:52.000 Yeah.

00:47:53.000 You know, it was like shooting a movie.

00:47:54.000 There's no commercials, so it's a full hour.

00:47:56.000 But, you know, that's what it was, man.

00:47:59.000 It was long.

00:47:59.000 It was like shooting a movie.

00:48:01.000 Wow.

00:48:01.000 A month and episode.

00:48:03.000 The first episode was 17, 18 working days.

00:48:07.000 Lorraine Bracco said to me, you're going to work more in this episode than I will the whole season.

00:48:11.000 Because she only worked one day an episode.

00:48:13.000 You know, she had the greatest job in show business.

00:48:15.000 Wow.

00:48:15.000 They shot that in one day.

00:48:17.000 Oh, that's beautiful for her.

00:48:18.000 It was a great part, too.

00:48:20.000 Yeah, it was great.

00:48:21.000 You know, but I think the coaching-wise, and I think a lot of it is, you know, your focus, your concentrate, know your stuff, know your lines.

00:48:30.000 I mean, you're an actor, you know.

00:48:31.000 Know your shit.

00:48:32.000 Don't come in and be like a smartass.

00:48:34.000 Yeah, maybe I'll paraphrase.

00:48:36.000 Know your stuff.

00:48:37.000 Respect what's on the page.

00:48:39.000 You know, I'm a big believer in that.

00:48:42.000 On The Sopranos, you didn't ad-lib the word, and I'm not joking.

00:48:47.000 There was a time that I had to say, I gotta go.

00:48:52.000 And the line was, I have to go.

00:48:54.000 And they kept correcting me and correcting me and correcting me because I just, you know, I gotta go.

00:48:59.000 I have to go.

00:49:00.000 I don't know why, what, where, and I didn't question it.

00:49:03.000 I mean, you know, but...

00:49:06.000 That's a crazy amount of work when you're talking about Gandolfini.

00:49:09.000 That's really, that's still fucking with my head.

00:49:11.000 Yeah, now listen, Jim was one of my closest friends.

00:49:13.000 Couldn't find a better guy.

00:49:15.000 He worked.

00:49:17.000 Harley saw his kids.

00:49:18.000 You know, his kid, you know, his daughter wasn't born.

00:49:22.000 You know, while he was on The Sopranos.

00:49:26.000 But it was like no life.

00:49:27.000 You completely gave up your life.

00:49:29.000 Not the rest of us, because there were so many characters.

00:49:33.000 You know, I had a couple episodes where I worked a real lot, but...

00:49:37.000 It just can't be good for your health.

00:49:39.000 Well, it was, you know, a lot of guys.

00:49:41.000 I mean, I've read, I think Jimmy Smith's I read years ago, NYPD, he said he couldn't take, it was 18 hour days.

00:49:48.000 Yeah.

00:49:48.000 And yeah, he was making a fortune.

00:49:50.000 He said, I couldn't do it anymore.

00:49:51.000 Yeah.

00:49:51.000 No, I've had friends that have been on dramas before, and it's the same thing.

00:49:54.000 They would tell me that I just...

00:49:56.000 They just couldn't do it.

00:49:59.000 When the season would wrap, they would go, this has got to be my last season.

00:50:02.000 I can't do this anymore.

00:50:04.000 It's a point with the money.

00:50:06.000 What I love about Blue Bloods is there's a lot of characters, so there's different stories, so it's not like that.

00:50:13.000 That's nice.

00:50:14.000 It's a beautiful show, and like you said, the writing's good, a network show.

00:50:20.000 But, you know, with Jim, but he worked with, you know, a lot of, that's like a dirty secret working with an acting coach.

00:50:26.000 Is it?

00:50:26.000 That's a dirty little secret.

00:50:28.000 People don't want, some people don't want to admit.

00:50:30.000 I think if you're a big, I think Pacino works with somebody.

00:50:33.000 Well, I don't know why that would be a dirty secret.

00:50:35.000 I would think that would be just practice.

00:50:36.000 That would be a good thing.

00:50:37.000 No, no, but I think guys don't want to admit that I'm asking for him.

00:50:41.000 You know how guys are.

00:50:42.000 Fucking actors are, you know?

00:50:44.000 Well, comedians have a thing about that with writers.

00:50:47.000 Working with writers.

00:50:47.000 A comedian working with a writer, it's like other comedians will shake their head and look down on you.

00:50:52.000 Really?

00:50:52.000 Yeah, I don't understand that.

00:50:54.000 But you write all your own stuff, obviously.

00:50:56.000 Yeah.

00:50:56.000 Because your stuff is very personal.

00:50:58.000 Yeah.

00:50:58.000 But there are guys that it's impossible for them to keep writing new material.

00:51:02.000 Well, there's guys that are very personal, but they have someone work with.

00:51:05.000 Kevin Hart has guys that work with him.

00:51:07.000 Like, he has ideas, and then he bounces them off these ideas, these ideas off these guys, and then they work on them together.

00:51:14.000 Like, he'll brainstorm with guys on his act, which is nothing wrong with it.

00:51:19.000 Chris Rock used to do that.

00:51:20.000 I don't think there's anything wrong with that, but then there's guys like, say, a Leno or Rodney, who I was a big Rodney Dangerfield.

00:51:26.000 Sure.

00:51:27.000 Everybody, there was comics faxing stuff into him all over the place, you know?

00:51:32.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:51:32.000 Leno, I mean, he was doing the show.

00:51:34.000 He's busy.

00:51:35.000 They're writing his monologue.

00:51:36.000 They're writing his stuff.

00:51:37.000 But not his stand-up.

00:51:39.000 Like, when Leno does his stand-up, his stand-up is pretty much all Leno.

00:51:41.000 It's all him?

00:51:42.000 Yeah, but Rodney, for sure.

00:51:44.000 And there was a lot of guys.

00:51:45.000 I think Bob Hope had five, six, seven, eight.

00:51:49.000 He had a staff of writers.

00:51:51.000 I know one of them, he would pay $50 a joke.

00:51:54.000 And then he only tipped 30 cents.

00:51:56.000 30 cents, but he would pay $50 a joke.

00:51:59.000 A motherfucker.

00:51:59.000 He's one of the richest guys ever to fuck a bar open.

00:52:01.000 He was.

00:52:02.000 But he would ask for, you know, I need whatever the event was.

00:52:07.000 You know, I need jokes about Trump or mother-in-law or this or that or this.

00:52:13.000 You know, I guess comics don't want to admit to it.

00:52:15.000 But there are comics that buy, you know?

00:52:17.000 Yes, you know, there definitely are.

00:52:19.000 And there's nothing wrong with it.

00:52:21.000 Like, well, first of all, Richard Pryor, who's the greatest of all time, Paul Mooney wrote for him forever.

00:52:26.000 And other guys wrote for him.

00:52:27.000 And like I said, Chris Rock, who's also one of the greatest of all time, Chris Rock had a bunch of writers.

00:52:32.000 And he's just smart.

00:52:33.000 He knows how to make the best comedy.

00:52:34.000 And it's not necessarily always just with your own mind.

00:52:37.000 I think it's also hard...

00:52:39.000 It's not easy for someone else to find your voice.

00:52:42.000 Right.

00:52:42.000 So you have to find those guys, and it's not easy.

00:52:44.000 See, I can say, hey man, write me...

00:52:47.000 Sometimes when I have to host something, like I hosted this thing on TV. I'm not making believe I'm a stand-up.

00:52:55.000 I'm not a stand-up comic, nor would I even attempt.

00:52:57.000 But it's more like a monologue.

00:52:59.000 Even if I have to host a charity event, I have a guy who writes me jokes, but it's like in my voice, shit that I would say.

00:53:05.000 You know what I mean?

00:53:06.000 And you know immediately, and you know...

00:53:08.000 Well, sometimes it's not a bad idea to have a writer just because you have a couple other guys that you can talk about your set with.

00:53:15.000 You know, because if you're just looking at it yourself, like you were talking about Gandolfini, having a different perspective.

00:53:19.000 Maybe even they don't write the jokes, but they talk about the jokes that you've written and give their perspective, and that alone will probably help you improve them.

00:53:27.000 I agree, and I think if you're doing a live show, if you're hosting something, whether it be an awards show or whatever, to have a couple guys there...

00:53:35.000 Spur of the moment, they give you some, hey Joe, here's a good line.

00:53:39.000 No, spur of the moment, especially a live show, like a talk show or something like that, very important to have writers.

00:53:46.000 Do you like doing talk shows?

00:53:48.000 No.

00:53:49.000 You don't like it?

00:53:50.000 No, I don't like it.

00:53:51.000 I like doing this.

00:53:52.000 This is what I like, because there's no format.

00:53:54.000 When you do a talk show, it's all set up.

00:53:57.000 It's a pre-interview.

00:53:59.000 I'm going to say this, you're going to say that.

00:54:01.000 And then a lot of times, a talk show host has the joke, right?

00:54:05.000 The joke on top of your joke.

00:54:08.000 He's already got the retort.

00:54:10.000 Exactly.

00:54:11.000 It just seems fake and forced.

00:54:13.000 We'll be right back!

00:54:16.000 Now you have to sing and dance.

00:54:18.000 I don't get it.

00:54:19.000 You have to be a variety show.

00:54:24.000 That's the new thing.

00:54:25.000 I appreciate a guy like Jimmy Fallon who does it well.

00:54:28.000 I think he's great at it.

00:54:29.000 I really appreciate it.

00:54:30.000 I just don't want to do it.

00:54:31.000 I don't want to be a guest.

00:54:32.000 I don't want to watch.

00:54:33.000 I don't want to sit there.

00:54:35.000 I've had friends that do them.

00:54:36.000 I go visit them while they do it.

00:54:38.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:54:38.000 I watched Conan the other day.

00:54:39.000 I had a buddy of mine.

00:54:40.000 He was singing a song on Conan.

00:54:42.000 I went to watch.

00:54:43.000 I was like, get the fuck out of here.

00:54:45.000 I think it's a dying format.

00:54:46.000 I think it's a format that's like a dinosaur.

00:54:48.000 Well, I think it is, which is why you see this guy on CBS, James, whatever his name is, he's singing karaoke in the car.

00:54:56.000 Who?

00:54:56.000 This guy, James Corden is his name?

00:54:59.000 James Corden.

00:55:00.000 They sing karaoke.

00:55:01.000 Oh, he's mixing it up?

00:55:02.000 He's doing different stuff?

00:55:03.000 Him, yeah.

00:55:03.000 And he's got the different artists.

00:55:05.000 He had a deli.

00:55:05.000 At this one, they're trying to do different stuff.

00:55:07.000 And I think it's become more like that than just to sit down, old-fashioned, you know.

00:55:12.000 Right.

00:55:13.000 Because first of all, you know and I know, most...

00:55:17.000 Actors, whatever, celebrities, they don't have a whole lot to say.

00:55:20.000 Right.

00:55:21.000 Some people, like De Niro, if it ain't on the page, this guy is stuck at hello.

00:55:26.000 You say hello to him, he's stuck for a fucking answer.

00:55:29.000 How is that possible?

00:55:30.000 Because he's got to have it on the page and then he's a wonderful actor and he could give you all this, but if he, you think he's gonna come in here and talk to you like this?

00:55:37.000 I don't know.

00:55:38.000 Shit, no.

00:55:39.000 No?

00:55:39.000 Hell no!

00:55:41.000 You never spoke to him?

00:55:42.000 No.

00:55:43.000 My friend Joey, Joey Diaz, you know Joey.

00:55:45.000 Yeah, he did the movie with him.

00:55:46.000 Joey did a movie with him, yeah.

00:55:47.000 He enjoyed it?

00:55:47.000 Yeah, he liked it.

00:55:49.000 Well, it was just an honor, you know?

00:55:51.000 I mean, you're working with arguably the greatest actor of all time, if not one of the top five.

00:55:56.000 But I don't think he's...

00:55:57.000 You ever see him try to do a talk show?

00:55:59.000 I never have.

00:56:00.000 It's boring.

00:56:01.000 Look at some clips.

00:56:02.000 Well, I think he's an interesting guy.

00:56:04.000 You know, De Niro's a very unusual guy.

00:56:06.000 I think he's done a lot of crappy stuff, and I don't know.

00:56:09.000 I don't understand how much money do you need.

00:56:14.000 I know you want to work, and this is what you do for a living, and I get it, but, you know.

00:56:19.000 Yeah, he's done some shitty movies, for sure.

00:56:21.000 Yeah, like really shitty movies.

00:56:22.000 Yeah, but I think that he's probably...

00:56:24.000 Well, what was the recent one he did?

00:56:25.000 The Temp?

00:56:26.000 I watched the ad and my whole soul started shaking like I was freezing to death.

00:56:32.000 Yeah, you know, I don't know.

00:56:34.000 He owns the restaurants.

00:56:35.000 He's got the hotel in Vegas, Noble.

00:56:38.000 He's got a million restaurants.

00:56:39.000 He's got the...

00:56:39.000 What?

00:56:40.000 He's old, too.

00:56:41.000 He owns the Chebeca Film Festival.

00:56:42.000 At what point in time are you going to...

00:56:44.000 What are you going to do with that money when you die?

00:56:46.000 I don't know.

00:56:46.000 Maybe he just enjoys doing shitty movies.

00:56:48.000 Well, I don't think he enjoys shitty movies.

00:56:50.000 I think he enjoys doing movies.

00:56:52.000 Not to say that there's a whole lot of great roles.

00:56:56.000 Right.

00:56:56.000 Because, like you said, he's 70-something years old.

00:56:58.000 Right.

00:56:58.000 You know, Pacino seems to navigate them better.

00:57:02.000 Yeah.

00:57:02.000 Well, sort of.

00:57:04.000 He does some shitty fucking movies, too.

00:57:06.000 But I think these guys, you know, they get up in age and the roles...

00:57:10.000 They don't get offered the best roles, and then something comes along, and it's not that good, but it's a lot of money, and they go, ah, fuck it.

00:57:16.000 Who cares?

00:57:17.000 And they just do it.

00:57:18.000 And the other thing is, a guy like Pacino, he has so much leeway, because he can kind of do whatever the fuck he wants.

00:57:23.000 Yeah.

00:57:24.000 Same as De Niro.

00:57:25.000 Like, what was that one movie De Niro did recently that was, uh, fucking shit is the name of that movie.

00:57:31.000 The movie with Bradley Cooper and Jennifer Lawrence.

00:57:33.000 It was a big movie, and De Niro played- American Hustle?

00:57:36.000 Yes.

00:57:37.000 He was good in that.

00:57:39.000 So he's still got it.

00:57:40.000 He's still got it.

00:57:41.000 He can still do it and seem like a really dangerous fuck.

00:57:46.000 It's still possible.

00:57:47.000 Yeah.

00:57:48.000 It's just those roles don't exist that often.

00:57:51.000 No, it doesn't.

00:57:52.000 And as you said...

00:57:54.000 I think as you get older too, physically, you change.

00:57:58.000 Just like a guy that was this wonderful leading man in his 30s, now he's a fucking bloated guy in his 50s.

00:58:08.000 You know what I mean?

00:58:08.000 He can't be the same guy.

00:58:10.000 Yeah, bloated.

00:58:12.000 Val Kilmer, right?

00:58:13.000 Like that kind of thing.

00:58:14.000 Yeah, I worked with him.

00:58:15.000 How is he?

00:58:16.000 He was nice, but out there.

00:58:18.000 He's out there?

00:58:18.000 I did a movie in Detroit with him.

00:58:20.000 He was way out there.

00:58:21.000 I don't know if you remember.

00:58:22.000 I heard he likes the mushrooms.

00:58:23.000 Maybe he was on them that day.

00:58:25.000 Yeah.

00:58:25.000 Because we shot a movie out there, and he was way out there.

00:58:28.000 He was heavy then, yeah.

00:58:29.000 He did something in Africa with somebody, and they said he got whacked out on mushrooms while he was there.

00:58:33.000 Running around a campfire, fucking lions in the background.

00:58:36.000 Oh, yeah, I didn't see that.

00:58:37.000 But he was in Detroit.

00:58:39.000 He was, you know, nice enough, but...

00:58:42.000 Well, he was in that movie, The Ghost in the Darkness.

00:58:44.000 Remember that?

00:58:45.000 No.

00:58:45.000 No?

00:58:46.000 Michael Douglas and him, they were lion hunting in Africa.

00:58:50.000 They were working on a railroad.

00:58:51.000 It was a fucking great movie.

00:58:53.000 Oh, really?

00:58:53.000 And these two lions teamed up and started killing the railroad workers.

00:58:56.000 Is it older?

00:58:57.000 Yeah.

00:58:57.000 It's like...

00:58:59.000 I want to say like 90-ish, early 90s.

00:59:03.000 Wasn't that his prime those days when he was Batman?

00:59:05.000 Yeah, it's a great fucking movie.

00:59:07.000 The Ghost in the Darkness.

00:59:08.000 Him and Michael Douglas.

00:59:09.000 I've got to look for that.

00:59:10.000 Michael Douglas before he got cancer from eating pussy.

00:59:12.000 Yeah, I don't believe that.

00:59:13.000 Remember those days?

00:59:14.000 You don't believe that?

00:59:14.000 I don't know.

00:59:15.000 From eating pussy, he's the only guy in the world that I know of.

00:59:18.000 Look, everybody's got to be a first.

00:59:20.000 Yeah, there it is.

00:59:21.000 That's the Ghost in the Darkness.

00:59:23.000 That's a good fucking movie, man.

00:59:24.000 That's when he played Jim Morrison, too.

00:59:27.000 Oh, yeah.

00:59:28.000 Right?

00:59:28.000 Yep, same era, same time, yeah.

00:59:31.000 I think that guy got too much pussy, lost his fucking mind, decided to try to eat himself to death, and it just didn't work out, and then he stayed alive and had to lose his weight.

00:59:38.000 You should have him on the show.

00:59:40.000 I would love to.

00:59:41.000 I'm sure, yeah.

00:59:43.000 I would imagine he wouldn't.

00:59:44.000 Why wouldn't he come on the show?

00:59:45.000 I would have booze everywhere.

00:59:46.000 I would just say, let's just do this.

00:59:48.000 Come on.

00:59:48.000 Let's start drinking.

00:59:48.000 You know what I think he did?

00:59:49.000 One of those autographs.

00:59:50.000 I think he did one of those autograph shows.

00:59:53.000 Autograph shows?

00:59:53.000 You know the autograph shows?

00:59:54.000 They have like Chiller Theater and the Hollywood show where they sell your autographs.

01:00:00.000 Oh, really?

01:00:01.000 And I think he did one.

01:00:02.000 And he made like a hundred.

01:00:04.000 A friend of mine told me he made like a hundred grand.

01:00:06.000 Like he had the line was, you know.

01:00:08.000 So he just sat down and signed?

01:00:09.000 Sat down and signed.

01:00:10.000 You know, you've heard of these things.

01:00:12.000 I'm sure you've been offered that.

01:00:14.000 That never gets to me.

01:00:15.000 Well, that probably gets deflected.

01:00:19.000 They just had one.

01:00:20.000 They had one in Jersey where they had Eric Estrada, the other guy from Chips, the other guy.

01:00:25.000 Or Good Times.

01:00:27.000 They have the cast.

01:00:28.000 There's guys from my show who have done it.

01:00:30.000 I don't want to do it.

01:00:31.000 I've never done it.

01:00:32.000 I personally feel it takes a little piece of your soul.

01:00:36.000 When they walk by you and go, do I want to buy Eddie Munster's picture or Bobby Bacala?

01:00:41.000 Alright, I'll go with Eddie.

01:00:42.000 I think that takes your fucking soul, Joe.

01:00:45.000 It's gotta take a chunk.

01:00:47.000 I mean, come on.

01:00:48.000 Well, I just also think that making people pay for a signature is fucking crazy.

01:00:52.000 Yeah, I'm with you.

01:00:54.000 I do got to admit, it's a little annoying when you run into those guys at the airport and they got a stack of shit and they want you to sign ten of them and you want to sell them.

01:01:00.000 Well, that's not a fan.

01:01:02.000 You know what they're doing?

01:01:03.000 They're selling them or they're wholesaling to another guy.

01:01:08.000 They just up the ladder.

01:01:12.000 Alright, Rogan's gonna be there.

01:01:13.000 I'll give you $10 for each role.

01:01:15.000 Most of the time, I'll just sign one.

01:01:16.000 And this one guy was giving me a hard time.

01:01:17.000 I go, dude, I'm not working for you.

01:01:19.000 Do you understand?

01:01:19.000 I'm working for you.

01:01:20.000 He's like, I took a train here.

01:01:22.000 I go, dude, I don't give a fuck.

01:01:23.000 I didn't ask you to.

01:01:24.000 The only thing is, for me, sometimes it's easier to just sign the fucking things.

01:01:28.000 I don't even want to have the conversation.

01:01:30.000 I'm like, get out of here with those.

01:01:30.000 Just sign the things and move on, you know?

01:01:33.000 Well, you know, I mean, you could do it real quick, but the whole idea behind it is weird.

01:01:37.000 He's, like, getting you to do something, and then he's going to sell it.

01:01:39.000 And then they're going to put it on eBay or whatever.

01:01:41.000 Well, they all have the same standard stuff.

01:01:43.000 They have a microphone they want you to sell.

01:01:44.000 Some of them have an MMA glove they want you to sign.

01:01:48.000 Oh, okay.

01:01:48.000 MMA glove they want you to sign.

01:01:50.000 Pictures.

01:01:50.000 It's weird.

01:01:52.000 I see pictures, and I go, where'd you get that?

01:01:53.000 I don't even have that.

01:01:54.000 Yeah.

01:01:55.000 You know, I don't know where they fucking get that.

01:01:56.000 Yeah.

01:01:57.000 Well, they get them, and then they know where you're going to be.

01:01:59.000 Well, a glove with your signature, that would be worth something, I guess.

01:02:01.000 Probably like five bucks.

01:02:03.000 Maybe.

01:02:03.000 Probably cost you more than gas to get to me and get the picture.

01:02:07.000 I ran into a fucking guy once that had fake shit.

01:02:10.000 A guy emailed me and he said, hey, is this your signature?

01:02:14.000 And that was a news radio script with all the cast members.

01:02:17.000 I go, not only is that not my script, all those signatures are fake.

01:02:22.000 Andy Dix.

01:02:23.000 Because I knew Andy's signature.

01:02:24.000 He had a very distinct signature.

01:02:26.000 And Phil Hartman had a very clean, distinct signature.

01:02:29.000 I'm like, these are all fake.

01:02:30.000 Yeah, I saw one.

01:02:31.000 We did this poster from Cigar Aficionado magazine that was floating around.

01:02:36.000 We all signed them.

01:02:37.000 We used to sign a lot of stuff.

01:02:39.000 At the end of the read-throughs for the Sopranos, they would have a stack of stuff for charity and whatever to sign.

01:02:45.000 And it's hanging in a restaurant in New York on 50...

01:02:49.000 On 6th Avenue, it's not my signature.

01:02:51.000 Whoa.

01:02:52.000 It's hanging up.

01:02:53.000 It's, you know, like seven of us, but it's not my signature.

01:02:56.000 How crazy is that?

01:02:57.000 Someone's got a fake signature hanging up in a nice restaurant.

01:03:00.000 Bobby Bacala with a fat, fake stomach.

01:03:04.000 It's from the days when I wore the fat stone.

01:03:06.000 Oh, they made you put like a prosthesis on, right?

01:03:08.000 For two years, yeah.

01:03:09.000 Then I got fat enough on my own.

01:03:13.000 Did you get fat enough just so you don't have to wear that thing?

01:03:15.000 No, no.

01:03:16.000 When I first got the role, I was seeing all these jokes like your cow's on with legs and your fat fuck and your thing.

01:03:25.000 And I'm going, I'm not that much fatter than Gandolfini.

01:03:28.000 I was starting to think that maybe they cast the wrong guy.

01:03:31.000 I'm not joking.

01:03:32.000 I'm saying, could it be?

01:03:34.000 I mean, these jokes don't make sense.

01:03:36.000 And then they called, oh, you got to come in for a fat suit.

01:03:38.000 So...

01:03:39.000 I wore this ridiculous thing.

01:03:40.000 Then the second year they made it like a really nice one, like a costume shop.

01:03:46.000 It had like tits and everything.

01:03:49.000 A costume shop in like a Broadway costume thing.

01:03:53.000 And then one year I was going back and I was at a fitting for the fourth year, you know, like the next year.

01:04:00.000 And he looked at me and he went, you don't have to wear that anymore.

01:04:04.000 I said, alright.

01:04:05.000 So I'm assuming.

01:04:06.000 It was pretty embarrassing, I thought.

01:04:08.000 At first, I was prancing around.

01:04:10.000 They had an ass on me too, like a big ass.

01:04:12.000 They put a fake ass on me.

01:04:13.000 Yeah, and he was going, ah, too big.

01:04:15.000 And I was like walking back and forth like parading.

01:04:18.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

01:04:18.000 It's fucking humiliating.

01:04:22.000 Steve Landisberg.

01:04:23.000 Remember the comment?

01:04:23.000 He said to me, did they ask your permission to do that?

01:04:26.000 And I said, no, Steve.

01:04:28.000 He said, I wouldn't have fucking did that.

01:04:29.000 I wouldn't have got the job, you know?

01:04:31.000 That was a weird time when The Sopranos came out because all of a sudden there was like a lot of fake mob guys.

01:04:37.000 A lot of fake connected guys.

01:04:39.000 A lot of fake Italians.

01:04:40.000 You know what I mean?

01:04:40.000 They're still around.

01:04:41.000 I call it G.A.G. Guinea Actors Guild.

01:04:43.000 G.A.G. But you know what I mean?

01:04:46.000 It's like acting that way became in fashion.

01:04:50.000 They started, they used to hang around wherever we were.

01:04:54.000 They were around.

01:04:55.000 They were extras.

01:04:56.000 They're still around.

01:04:58.000 But there was, you know, we did an appearance in a casino.

01:05:01.000 We just do a lot of that stuff, you know.

01:05:03.000 They were everywhere.

01:05:04.000 They were everywhere.

01:05:05.000 They were hoping to get on the show.

01:05:07.000 Hey, come on, you did the show.

01:05:08.000 I could do the show.

01:05:10.000 Oh, no.

01:05:11.000 I remember Michael Imperioli one time.

01:05:13.000 We were up in Reno, and there was one of them guys, and he was playing blackjack.

01:05:19.000 He said, come on, put me on the show.

01:05:21.000 I could do what you do.

01:05:22.000 Michael just went off on him.

01:05:23.000 I've been fucking trying for 20 years.

01:05:26.000 I've been acting.

01:05:27.000 You know what I mean?

01:05:28.000 He got...

01:05:29.000 He hit Michael, and Michael was right.

01:05:31.000 He got really pissed off.

01:05:32.000 This is just one of those fucking Goombas, you know?

01:05:35.000 I could do what you do.

01:05:37.000 They're the worst.

01:05:39.000 Exactly.

01:05:40.000 There's wannabes, but there's something about guinea wannabes that just hurts me.

01:05:44.000 There's a handful out here.

01:05:46.000 Oh yeah, there's plenty!

01:05:48.000 And the thing here, they congregate together.

01:05:50.000 When they try to clang up, hey Joe, you're dying, right?

01:05:52.000 You're dying, you're dying, you're dying, me and you, we're together!

01:05:55.000 What's the last name of Rogan?

01:05:56.000 How come you got Rogan?

01:05:58.000 I kind of try to navigate away from them.

01:06:02.000 Oh, they're brutal.

01:06:02.000 Even in New York, I kind of...

01:06:05.000 That's not my thing.

01:06:06.000 Well, Sopranos was so good that it almost killed the mob genre.

01:06:10.000 I think so.

01:06:11.000 I think you're right about that.

01:06:12.000 Because you know what?

01:06:13.000 Unless...

01:06:14.000 And I get a lot of scripts, Joe, of that crap.

01:06:17.000 They make these...

01:06:18.000 I call them backyard movies.

01:06:20.000 You're never going to see them whenever they're getting paid.

01:06:23.000 I'm not interested because it's that same thing.

01:06:25.000 I'll fuck you or break your fucking head.

01:06:27.000 You know who I am.

01:06:28.000 You know who my uncle is.

01:06:29.000 It's like a Dom Herrera sketch.

01:06:30.000 Absolutely.

01:06:32.000 But it's true, but they write this.

01:06:34.000 And I say, how does people give them the money?

01:06:37.000 How do you get the money to make these movies?

01:06:39.000 Well, I think for a while people were making them just because Sopranos was so popular.

01:06:43.000 But now, unless you're going to beat Sopranos, Goodfellas, you know, what's the great mob movies?

01:06:52.000 Sopranos, Goodfellas, Casino, Raging Bull had mob elements, right?

01:06:58.000 Great movie.

01:06:59.000 What am I missing?

01:07:00.000 There's gotta be a few of them.

01:07:02.000 You know, some great, great mob movies.

01:07:05.000 But now, after The Sopranos, I mean...

01:07:08.000 You don't see any more.

01:07:09.000 You know, The Godfather, Godfather 1, 2, you know, there was some...

01:07:13.000 But you're going to have to beat that.

01:07:15.000 Then they tried.

01:07:16.000 They tried to do some mobby stuff.

01:07:18.000 Ray Donovan's working.

01:07:20.000 That's a good show.

01:07:21.000 And that's from an Irish perspective.

01:07:23.000 Well, I think what happened with those movies was, or that show, rather, is it was those...

01:07:30.000 You had a movie every week.

01:07:32.000 Exactly.

01:07:33.000 So every subject was covered.

01:07:36.000 Betrayal, gambling, pussy, murder.

01:07:39.000 It was funny.

01:07:40.000 Funny elements.

01:07:41.000 It was very smart.

01:07:42.000 That was something.

01:07:43.000 I would be around and people would go, I don't like that show you're on.

01:07:46.000 I'm Italian.

01:07:47.000 Have you ever seen the show?

01:07:48.000 Oh, yes.

01:07:49.000 Have you ever seen the show?

01:07:50.000 No, I haven't seen it.

01:07:51.000 It's like I asked somebody, I don't watch porn.

01:07:54.000 I hate porn.

01:07:55.000 Have you ever seen it?

01:07:56.000 No.

01:07:56.000 Well, how do you know you don't like it?

01:07:57.000 Or did you see it?

01:07:58.000 Or do you watch it?

01:08:00.000 You know what I mean?

01:08:00.000 Secretly.

01:08:01.000 But they're holding signs of, no porn.

01:08:03.000 Well, that was a big thing, right?

01:08:05.000 The Italian-American blah, blah, blah society was protesting against it.

01:08:09.000 How about this story?

01:08:10.000 I wrote a kid's book, Nicky Deuce.

01:08:13.000 It took place in Brooklyn, and we turned it into a movie for Nickelodeon, which we did.

01:08:18.000 It's one of Gandalfini's last movies, and I had Michael Imperioli in it, and Sirico, and Nickelodeon made the movie.

01:08:27.000 But when I wrote the book, I was doing book signings, and it's about a kid, fish out of water, who goes back to Brooklyn.

01:08:34.000 He grew up in the suburbs, and he winds up With a kid's entire neighborhood Bensonhurst in Brooklyn.

01:08:39.000 And he gets into some mischief.

01:08:41.000 I don't even call it trouble, but...

01:08:43.000 So, this guy kept writing letters and shit and killing me on the internet and writing letters to the bookstores ahead of me getting there.

01:08:53.000 You know, like saying that he's derogatory against Italians and now he's bringing kids into it and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:09:00.000 So, finally, I get the guy's number and I call the guy.

01:09:05.000 I swear to you.

01:09:07.000 I say to him, listen, I think his name is Anthony.

01:09:10.000 I said, listen, Anthony, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:09:12.000 This is the world I know.

01:09:14.000 Like rappers rap about what they know.

01:09:17.000 This is what I know, you know?

01:09:22.000 He said to me, I said, you know, what can I do?

01:09:25.000 Tell me what I can do.

01:09:26.000 Let's fix this.

01:09:27.000 I mean, because, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:09:29.000 He said, well, you can make a donation to my organization.

01:09:32.000 It was the Italian-American bullshit.

01:09:35.000 I said, you've got to be kidding me, and I hung up on it.

01:09:39.000 True story.

01:09:40.000 You tried to shake me down.

01:09:42.000 And there's a whole bunch.

01:09:43.000 When the movie came out, we got some heat for the Nicky Deuce movie.

01:09:47.000 Really?

01:09:47.000 And it's not really about mob.

01:09:50.000 People just want attention.

01:09:51.000 I mean, exactly.

01:09:53.000 And they did that with the surprise.

01:09:54.000 But people would say all the time, you know, Joe, I don't watch your thing.

01:09:58.000 I'm an Italian.

01:09:59.000 You guys talk bad about Italians.

01:10:01.000 No, they didn't.

01:10:02.000 They showed what really was.

01:10:04.000 I thought it was very authentic, you know.

01:10:07.000 Oh, well, The Sopranos is as authentic as it gets.

01:10:09.000 If you know anybody like that, you know those people exist.

01:10:12.000 Absolutely.

01:10:12.000 To pretend they don't exist is offensive.

01:10:15.000 Exactly.

01:10:15.000 And I think it was a story that needs to be told.

01:10:17.000 I don't think we're putting Italians down.

01:10:19.000 This is what it is.

01:10:20.000 Well, it was such a fascinating show because Gandolfini was a bad guy.

01:10:24.000 Like his character, Tony Soprano.

01:10:25.000 But you're rooted for him.

01:10:26.000 Yeah.

01:10:27.000 You're rooted for a bad guy.

01:10:28.000 A murderer.

01:10:29.000 You're rooted for a murderer who cheated on his wife, stole, robbed, shook people down.

01:10:33.000 Absolutely.

01:10:34.000 But he was your guy.

01:10:35.000 He was, I think, the first, I think, I could be wrong, the first, like, anti-hero that people rooted for on television.

01:10:43.000 I think you're right.

01:10:44.000 I can't imagine anybody...

01:10:45.000 Before that, it was, you know, you root for the guy, you know.

01:10:48.000 Well, he was a real anti-hero.

01:10:50.000 Absolutely.

01:10:51.000 He was a murderer.

01:10:52.000 A con man.

01:10:53.000 I mean, all the above.

01:10:54.000 They didn't just do it to people in the mob.

01:10:57.000 They did it to people.

01:10:58.000 Like on the show, it wasn't just within each other.

01:11:02.000 They went outside.

01:11:03.000 They were robbing people and busting up businesses and doing all the stuff that they do.

01:11:10.000 It was great.

01:11:12.000 The show was good.

01:11:13.000 I fucking loved it.

01:11:14.000 It was a very smart show.

01:11:15.000 And if they put it back on now, they would get higher ratings than some of their shows now.

01:11:20.000 I bet they would.

01:11:21.000 Well, it was so good, I think a lot of people forgot how good it was.

01:11:24.000 And it also changed a lot.

01:11:26.000 If you go to the first episode, the first episode was essentially like a slapstick comedy.

01:11:30.000 You remember that?

01:11:31.000 No, I don't.

01:11:31.000 You remember Lorraine Bracco?

01:11:33.000 Not Lorraine Bracco.

01:11:34.000 Who was the woman that played his wife?

01:11:37.000 Edie Falco.

01:11:38.000 Edie Falco.

01:11:39.000 Edie Falco had a fucking machine gun and the daughter was trying to sneak out.

01:11:44.000 I haven't seen it in years.

01:11:44.000 She's outside with a machine gun pointing at her.

01:11:47.000 It was way more slapsticky.

01:11:49.000 It was weird.

01:11:49.000 It was like a comedy.

01:11:50.000 Well, they shot the show aired in 99, right?

01:11:56.000 I think they shot that like in 98, if I'm not mistaken.

01:12:00.000 Really?

01:12:01.000 If I'm not mistaken, in 98, I believe, or 97 even.

01:12:05.000 They go back and then it took six months and then they started shooting them.

01:12:09.000 How David Chase did it, he didn't do it like a regular show where you shoot it and then in three weeks it's on the air.

01:12:19.000 You know, he put them all in the can.

01:12:21.000 They were finished and locked and, you know.

01:12:24.000 You know what I mean?

01:12:25.000 Like, you know, you finished your, whatever it took, nine months, and then he edited them and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and then they aired.

01:12:33.000 You know, it was done a completely different way.

01:12:36.000 Wow.

01:12:36.000 You know, also, they would...

01:12:39.000 They would, you know, if they didn't like what you did, I mean, he'd replace you, and you never even knew it.

01:12:45.000 Really?

01:12:46.000 Yeah, he'd replace you.

01:12:47.000 You know, like, I had a scene with a guy, and they called back, you know, a month or so later, and said, you gotta shoot the scene again with a different actor.

01:12:55.000 For whatever reason, whether, you know, the guy didn't do a good job, or...

01:13:00.000 He looked too young or too old or just didn't fit.

01:13:03.000 He had the capacity to just shoot it again.

01:13:08.000 If a scene didn't work, he'd rewrite the scene, you shoot the scene again, you know, three months later.

01:13:14.000 What's interesting about those kind of shows, too, is that they're so big and so popular that you become that character.

01:13:20.000 Whoever that character is, you become that guy.

01:13:22.000 And you're that guy forever.

01:13:23.000 Well, that's, of course.

01:13:24.000 I mean, that's part of the deal.

01:13:26.000 That's okay.

01:13:26.000 I had no career before that, so it's not like...

01:13:28.000 I'm not saying with you, but I'm saying, like, there's some people that have been...

01:13:32.000 Like, you've worked since then, and you'll continue to work.

01:13:34.000 But there's some people that were on that show that were really famous when that show was on the air, and they vanished.

01:13:40.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:13:41.000 Well, you're in the, you know, you got people all over the world watching it.

01:13:45.000 I mean, I've been stopped with people literally from all over the world that have watched the show.

01:13:50.000 It was like a cult hit, like nothing that ever hit before.

01:13:53.000 Like Big Pussy's Big Pussy for the rest of his fucking life.

01:13:55.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:13:56.000 But Vinny's also, he embraces that too, you know what I mean?

01:14:00.000 Right.

01:14:01.000 He embraces that.

01:14:02.000 For him, it works and...

01:14:03.000 Right.

01:14:03.000 He's okay.

01:14:04.000 He works.

01:14:05.000 He does his things.

01:14:06.000 No, he's always going to work.

01:14:06.000 He's a very good actor.

01:14:07.000 Yeah, and he's got his music.

01:14:08.000 He's a musician and stuff.

01:14:10.000 But I hear you.

01:14:11.000 Especially the name, Big Pussy.

01:14:13.000 That was a big thing.

01:14:14.000 People like to say that.

01:14:15.000 Yeah, they do like to say that.

01:14:17.000 But also, the scene in the movie when they kill him, the whole way it plays out, it was very intense.

01:14:24.000 It was like, whoa, I can't believe they killed Big Pussy.

01:14:26.000 Well, that was the big thing, too.

01:14:27.000 Spoiler alert.

01:14:27.000 It was the first time...

01:14:30.000 Two, a regular cast member gets killed.

01:14:32.000 I mean, they're not killing the guy from Friends.

01:14:36.000 Right, exactly.

01:14:37.000 David Schwimmer ain't getting killed.

01:14:39.000 Oh, one Friday night, oh my God, they killed David Schwimmer.

01:14:43.000 There's five friends now.

01:14:44.000 So that was a big character that gets killed, and then big characters kept getting killed, which is why guys were worried.

01:14:52.000 I mean, it was a real concern that you were going to get killed off the show.

01:14:56.000 The more material they gave you, Yeah.

01:14:59.000 The more of a shot you're getting killed.

01:15:01.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:15:03.000 I mean...

01:15:03.000 And let's not kid ourselves.

01:15:05.000 It's not just...

01:15:06.000 You know, you're out of work.

01:15:07.000 They just put you out of work in the biggest show.

01:15:09.000 Like when Gandolfini killed Imperioli.

01:15:12.000 I was like, whoa!

01:15:14.000 Holy shit!

01:15:16.000 Pinched his nose there.

01:15:17.000 Yeah.

01:15:17.000 Like, what the fuck?

01:15:18.000 But you know what?

01:15:19.000 Once you made it into the last season...

01:15:21.000 It was like, hey, listen, you know, we're done, you're paid, however the story ends.

01:15:27.000 It's probably better.

01:15:27.000 If I would have got killed early on, I would have felt really shitty, I'll tell you.

01:15:31.000 And saw all the stuff that happened, because, you know.

01:15:34.000 Right.

01:15:34.000 You know what I mean?

01:15:35.000 And plus, you know, we started making money towards the middle and the end.

01:15:40.000 You know, not the guys at the beginning weren't making a lot of money.

01:15:43.000 Well, those shows are hard to make money on, aren't they?

01:15:45.000 Like HBO is...

01:15:47.000 Nah, don't worry.

01:15:48.000 HBO pays.

01:15:50.000 And they pay now even better.

01:15:51.000 The show's off the air nine years.

01:15:53.000 Wow.

01:15:55.000 And then there was other money coming in because you had opportunities to do other shit.

01:15:59.000 Well that show was also groundbreaking in that it was one of the first shows like that and now HBO specializes in those kind of shows.

01:16:07.000 And so does AMC and so does Showtime.

01:16:11.000 It all kind of came from The Sopranos.

01:16:13.000 It's the first time they're hiring a fat bald guy.

01:16:17.000 You know, Jim wasn't a leading man.

01:16:20.000 They wanted, you know, you figure, the good-looking mob guy, you know what I mean?

01:16:24.000 But he was intense and charismatic and what a fucking actor he was.

01:16:29.000 The girls loved him.

01:16:30.000 We used to joke, you know, they say TV puts 10 pounds on you.

01:16:33.000 I say it takes 50 off you.

01:16:38.000 Well, he was such an interesting character.

01:16:41.000 He was so intense.

01:16:42.000 And when he got into that murderous rage, you fucking bought it hook, line, and sinker.

01:16:48.000 Absolutely.

01:16:48.000 When you acted with him, you didn't have to...

01:16:50.000 You know, you didn't have to act scared.

01:16:52.000 Like, if it was a scene, I gotta be scared.

01:16:53.000 You gotta yell at me.

01:16:54.000 You know, he was fucking, you know.

01:16:56.000 He gave you the whole thing, you know.

01:16:58.000 Yeah.

01:16:58.000 We had that fight.

01:17:00.000 You know, me and him had that fight in the first episode of that last season.

01:17:03.000 I mean, you know, we shot that for a day and a half.

01:17:05.000 Whoa.

01:17:06.000 That was tough.

01:17:07.000 He was choking me.

01:17:08.000 He said, listen, you know, let's try to take this as far as we can.

01:17:13.000 And we fucking took it.

01:17:15.000 I was pulling his hair.

01:17:15.000 He was fucking choking me.

01:17:17.000 I was getting cut from the...

01:17:19.000 I was wearing a necklace, you know?

01:17:21.000 I was getting cut from that.

01:17:23.000 I mean, we were banged up.

01:17:24.000 Wow.

01:17:24.000 Banged up, for real.

01:17:26.000 And that's why I look real.

01:17:27.000 It was like two fat, out of shape guys fighting.

01:17:30.000 Beating the fuck out of each other.

01:17:31.000 I mean, they don't...

01:17:32.000 You know, guys, it's not Steven Seagal.

01:17:34.000 Right.

01:17:34.000 You know what I mean?

01:17:35.000 You know, look, you know.

01:17:37.000 What the hell?

01:17:37.000 This was like a fight.

01:17:39.000 So when you do something like that, how hard do you hit each other?

01:17:42.000 You know, as hard as you could without really hurting.

01:17:45.000 And he had said that, let's go as far as we could.

01:17:48.000 He was saying, pull my hair, pull my hair.

01:17:52.000 And I was fucking pulling his hair and he's choking me.

01:17:55.000 Go ahead, go further.

01:17:57.000 Like I said, we're good friends.

01:18:00.000 If you do it with a stranger, it could get a little funky.

01:18:04.000 You know what I mean?

01:18:04.000 Like, hey, well, you know, you know.

01:18:06.000 I had a fight scene on the TV once I accidentally punched a guy in the face.

01:18:09.000 I meant to miss his face, but they threw a drink in my face, and I was supposed to punch him, but I was supposed to punch by him.

01:18:15.000 I hit him right in the jaw.

01:18:16.000 Did he go down?

01:18:18.000 But I didn't hit him hard, but I hit him.

01:18:22.000 You see the look in his face, like, you weren't supposed to hit me.

01:18:24.000 Just keep going.

01:18:26.000 I had to apologize.

01:18:28.000 Was he okay?

01:18:29.000 Yeah, he was okay.

01:18:30.000 But you could see, you know, when someone, especially if you're not used to getting hit on the jaw, and you see that dunk, the shock and the sparks.

01:18:38.000 But fight scenes like that, like your fight scene with Gandolfini, or, you know, in some movies you watch people punch each other and kick each other, like, that guy just hit that guy.

01:18:48.000 Sometimes, you know, and look, I think it's, I know there was, listen, guys on the show, smack me.

01:18:55.000 Really smack me.

01:18:56.000 Jesus.

01:18:57.000 You know, they want that, you know, hit me.

01:18:59.000 You know, I've seen that on a lot of stuff that I've done.

01:19:02.000 And then some guys don't want no part of it, no way, no how.

01:19:05.000 But go ahead, smack me, you know.

01:19:07.000 Get the makeup girl and cover it and smack me again, you know.

01:19:10.000 You want that real reaction.

01:19:12.000 It's like eating.

01:19:14.000 I'm a big believer in eating.

01:19:15.000 I know you get sick of eating, but I'll eat that fucking steak.

01:19:20.000 In the movie.

01:19:21.000 Yeah, in the show, in the movie.

01:19:23.000 So you just keep bringing steaks out?

01:19:24.000 Yeah, bring it out.

01:19:25.000 I'll just keep eating it.

01:19:27.000 Not because I'm a glut, because I think it looks real.

01:19:30.000 Yes, it does.

01:19:32.000 If you notice, I'm a little kooky, so I notice shit like that.

01:19:36.000 Look, they didn't really eat that, you know?

01:19:37.000 Yeah, well, that's the worst, is when you see someone who's eaten a half-eaten steak, and then the next cut, it's like a quarter-eaten steak, or three-quarters eaten.

01:19:45.000 Would you put steak back?

01:19:47.000 You know, it's the worst thing.

01:19:48.000 I don't smoke, and I've never smoked cigarettes, you know?

01:19:52.000 You see people smoking on TV and they can't smoke.

01:19:55.000 Well, they don't know what they're doing.

01:19:56.000 I know.

01:19:57.000 Exactly.

01:19:57.000 I wouldn't know.

01:19:59.000 I mean, what is the difference?

01:20:02.000 I don't know.

01:20:03.000 You don't smoke cigarettes.

01:20:05.000 No.

01:20:05.000 But what would be the difference?

01:20:07.000 I don't know.

01:20:07.000 There's a thing.

01:20:08.000 To hold it in your hand?

01:20:10.000 Do you smoke?

01:20:11.000 I think it's a casual thing.

01:20:13.000 You know, it's like, how comfortable are you with it?

01:20:15.000 I know, but you see people that aren't.

01:20:18.000 You know, like, I've been asked, I said, I'll smoke a cigar, which I don't even do that, but I could handle that.

01:20:23.000 Well, a cigar seems, like, so unusual that anybody could do it.

01:20:27.000 Yeah.

01:20:28.000 You know?

01:20:28.000 It's a cigar, you see people, you go, this guy's not a smoker, you know?

01:20:30.000 Yeah.

01:20:31.000 No, cigarette smokers do get crazy about that.

01:20:33.000 Well, there's certain things like, here's the one that drives everybody the most nuts.

01:20:36.000 That's a musician.

01:20:37.000 When you see someone fake playing a guitar, like someone's really jamming out and you know they're not really hitting any of the notes.

01:20:42.000 Like, what is he doing?

01:20:44.000 Don't even show his fingers, you fuck.

01:20:46.000 Stop it.

01:20:46.000 Or a guy's trying to cook or something.

01:20:48.000 You know, there's things that you gotta do your homework.

01:20:51.000 Yeah, I would imagine the guitar one would probably be like the worst.

01:20:54.000 Because there's so many complicated movements and if you're like a person who actually knows how to play and you watch it, you would know that it's fake.

01:21:01.000 Fighting is that way, too, though.

01:21:02.000 Like, you watch fight scenes in movies, you know, like a boxing scene, you know?

01:21:07.000 Yeah.

01:21:07.000 Like, Mark Wahlberg, I think he's a very good actor.

01:21:10.000 But that movie, The Fighter, where he played Mickey Ward?

01:21:13.000 Yeah.

01:21:13.000 Like, I'm watching him, but I'm like, this is a guy that's not getting hit.

01:21:16.000 Like, he's boxing like no one's hitting him back.

01:21:19.000 And what do you think about, like, the Rocky movies?

01:21:21.000 Terrible.

01:21:22.000 The fight scenes are terrible.

01:21:24.000 They're terrible.

01:21:25.000 They're the worst.

01:21:28.000 They're atrocious.

01:21:29.000 There's one movie, one guy, but they're great movies as far as like, look, when I was a little kid, I saw Rocky and I drank a fucking raw egg and I ran around the block.

01:21:37.000 I'd never run in my life.

01:21:39.000 I mean, unless I was playing baseball or something.

01:21:41.000 I never ran, but that movie made me go running.

01:21:43.000 I wanted to go running.

01:21:44.000 Ta-da!

01:21:45.000 Ta-da!

01:21:45.000 Well, that's the whole thing.

01:21:47.000 So it wasn't that they were bad movies, but when you watch the boxing scenes, you're like, get the fuck out of here.

01:21:53.000 Well, The Raging Bull, that was good.

01:21:55.000 That was good.

01:21:55.000 That was choreographed down to the- Yes, it was.

01:21:59.000 Well, he recreated essentially what happened with Sugar Ray Robinson and Jake LaMotta.

01:22:04.000 But De Niro was a meticulous motherfucker in those days.

01:22:08.000 I mean, look at the kind of shape he got in for that movie.

01:22:11.000 Absolutely.

01:22:11.000 I mean, he looked like LaMotta.

01:22:13.000 I mean, he looked like a real killer.

01:22:14.000 All those days were over.

01:22:16.000 Veticulous.

01:22:17.000 Those days were over.

01:22:17.000 Now he's doing anything that comes down at Spring Break.

01:22:21.000 Spring Break.

01:22:23.000 He had no shirt on in Spring Break.

01:22:26.000 You know who did the best boxing movie, though?

01:22:28.000 Daniel Day-Lewis.

01:22:29.000 He did that movie, The Boxer.

01:22:30.000 He apparently lived like a boxer for a whole year for that movie.

01:22:34.000 Although he does that kind of stuff.

01:22:35.000 Yeah, and you watch him box though, like he's boxing like a boxer.

01:22:39.000 I didn't see that.

01:22:41.000 Is that what it's called, a boxer?

01:22:42.000 Yeah, yeah, it's called a boxer.

01:22:43.000 He plays an IRA guy that gets released from prison and goes back to boxing.

01:22:47.000 Oh, really?

01:22:48.000 Mm-hmm.

01:22:48.000 That's good.

01:22:49.000 Very good, very good.

01:22:50.000 A buddy of mine was in the Lincoln movie, and he stayed at Lincoln as Lincoln for all that time.

01:22:57.000 Oh, yeah, in character.

01:22:59.000 And he was whittling and that thing.

01:23:01.000 I swear, somebody said that he cut his...

01:23:05.000 He sliced his thumb, and somebody yelled, let there be blood.

01:23:11.000 And he got annoyed at that.

01:23:13.000 I'm sure he did.

01:23:14.000 Unless he stays in character the whole time, I guess, unless he asked for the cut.

01:23:19.000 He is above and beyond.

01:23:22.000 That's a guy that loses him.

01:23:23.000 Him, Christian Bale, they lose themselves in the characters.

01:23:26.000 A lot of people play, myself included, You know, I'm not gonna play an English professor, you know what I mean, Joe?

01:23:32.000 I can play a blue coddled guy, you know, whatever that is.

01:23:35.000 But some guys, and those are two of them, they just completely disappear.

01:23:40.000 Gary Oldman in the day.

01:23:41.000 Gary Oldman also.

01:23:42.000 Especially in the day.

01:23:43.000 And Kevin Spacey used to a little also.

01:23:45.000 True Romance, when Gary Oldman played the white guy with the dreadlocks, the scar on his face?

01:23:50.000 Completely.

01:23:51.000 But those are the four that I really...

01:23:54.000 You know what I mean?

01:23:55.000 The four guys that you say...

01:23:57.000 It's a craft.

01:23:59.000 To hit that level.

01:24:00.000 It's a whole other thing.

01:24:02.000 It's a different level.

01:24:03.000 And then you see successful actors play literally the same person Over and over.

01:24:09.000 Keanu Reeves?

01:24:10.000 What'd you just say?

01:24:10.000 Yeah.

01:24:11.000 But he's good at it!

01:24:12.000 Sarah and Jessica Parker plays the same thing.

01:24:16.000 You know, that and that and that.

01:24:17.000 Yeah.

01:24:18.000 And that's okay.

01:24:18.000 She's successful and whatever.

01:24:20.000 Well, yeah.

01:24:21.000 Well, there's a lot of actors when you go to see the movie, even though they're really good, you want to see them play that character.

01:24:27.000 You know?

01:24:27.000 Like Christopher Walken.

01:24:28.000 I'm looking for him to do that guy.

01:24:29.000 I work with him.

01:24:30.000 I work with him twice.

01:24:31.000 I want him to be that guy.

01:24:32.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:24:33.000 I want him to be that guy.

01:24:33.000 But it's got, sometimes, it's almost a caricature.

01:24:36.000 It is a caricature.

01:24:37.000 Yeah.

01:24:38.000 You know, I've worked with him twice.

01:24:41.000 He's a good guy.

01:24:42.000 Well, how about Al Pacino?

01:24:43.000 Every movie has to have a rant.

01:24:44.000 There's gotta be some way!

01:24:46.000 Every movie, he's got some crazy rant where he's gotta go on this rant.

01:24:50.000 I mean, it's in the script.

01:24:52.000 There was an old Letterman clip that I saw.

01:24:55.000 I just saw it yesterday before.

01:24:57.000 Kevin Spacey doing Pacino to Pacino.

01:24:59.000 Ah!

01:25:00.000 Really, look for that.

01:25:01.000 It's really funny.

01:25:02.000 He does the thing, you know.

01:25:04.000 Oh, that's amazing.

01:25:05.000 It's really funny.

01:25:05.000 Kevin Spacey's a bad motherfucker on that Netflix show.

01:25:08.000 Absolutely.

01:25:08.000 Have you seen that Netflix show?

01:25:09.000 No, I don't.

01:25:10.000 He is very good.

01:25:12.000 He's a big fan, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:25:15.000 It's interesting that Netflix is doing stuff like that.

01:25:17.000 They're putting out their own original content.

01:25:19.000 Different business model there.

01:25:21.000 It's a whole different deal, you know what I mean?

01:25:23.000 They're not so worried.

01:25:24.000 I don't know how many people watch or don't watch, but that's a huge show.

01:25:29.000 What the fuck is it called again?

01:25:31.000 The fuck's the Kevin Spacey...

01:25:32.000 House of Cards.

01:25:33.000 Thank you.

01:25:33.000 How can I not remember that?

01:25:36.000 He doesn't speak.

01:25:37.000 He talks low.

01:25:38.000 Sometimes.

01:25:39.000 Does he ever jump in?

01:25:40.000 He'll jump in if he wants to.

01:25:42.000 He doesn't give a fuck.

01:25:43.000 Anything goes.

01:25:44.000 He doesn't give a fuck.

01:25:45.000 But I just like that they can do that now.

01:25:48.000 They can produce their own content.

01:25:49.000 They can do anything.

01:25:51.000 Listen, it's the way it's going.

01:25:53.000 Have you seen that Bill Burr show, F is for Family?

01:25:55.000 Yeah.

01:25:56.000 Did Bill ever work for you?

01:25:57.000 No, but I hosted a thing at the Garden last year, Garden of Dreams, 5,500 people.

01:26:05.000 It's a kids charity.

01:26:06.000 It's a good one.

01:26:06.000 And it was Bill Burr, John Oliver, Louis Black, Dane Cook, and Billy Gardell.

01:26:14.000 And I met Bill.

01:26:15.000 He's a funny guy.

01:26:16.000 He's a great guy.

01:26:17.000 He's funny and he's a good guy.

01:26:19.000 I love that guy.

01:26:19.000 He's a real good guy.

01:26:20.000 He's a good guy.

01:26:21.000 I asked him...

01:26:22.000 What you see is what you get.

01:26:23.000 He's a really funny guy.

01:26:25.000 I mean...

01:26:26.000 And you know what?

01:26:26.000 I had seen him on another charity, the Comedy Central that...

01:26:29.000 And that's the first time I had seen him.

01:26:31.000 But he's been around, right?

01:26:32.000 Yeah.

01:26:33.000 He makes me laugh a lot.

01:26:36.000 There's not that many comics that make me laugh laughing.

01:26:38.000 He's one of the best ever.

01:26:39.000 He's a Boston guy.

01:26:40.000 Yeah.

01:26:41.000 There's not too many guys.

01:26:42.000 By the way, he bakes a hell of a pie.

01:26:44.000 Oh, really?

01:26:45.000 Yeah.

01:26:45.000 He's a pie baker.

01:26:46.000 He makes pumpkin pie.

01:26:47.000 It's fucking delicious.

01:26:48.000 Really good.

01:26:49.000 He gets into it.

01:26:50.000 He makes his own crusts.

01:26:51.000 He's got to start selling.

01:26:51.000 Sell them!

01:26:52.000 Sell them!

01:26:53.000 I'm already going to get in trouble because I'm late.

01:26:55.000 All right, brother.

01:26:55.000 It was a great scene.

01:26:57.000 Please, anytime.

01:26:58.000 Whenever you're in town, let's do this more often.

01:27:00.000 Are you here often?

01:27:01.000 No, I haven't been because I've been working.

01:27:03.000 I've been doing the Blue Bloods.

01:27:04.000 When was the last time you were here?

01:27:06.000 It's been about, I'd say, close to a year.

01:27:09.000 Anytime.

01:27:09.000 Please, let me know.

01:27:10.000 It's a pleasure.

01:27:11.000 If I'm in New York, maybe I need to go to New York and just set up shop there in New York and do a bunch of podcasts down there.

01:27:16.000 That would be good.

01:27:17.000 It would be.

01:27:17.000 Got a bunch of guys.

01:27:18.000 So, how do people get your sauce?

01:27:20.000 One more time.

01:27:20.000 Uncle Steve's NY.com.

01:27:23.000 You could get it also.

01:27:25.000 Albertsons, Fairway, Whole Foods.

01:27:29.000 Vons, pavilions.

01:27:30.000 Go to our website, UncleStevesNY.com.

01:27:33.000 You can see everything.

01:27:34.000 It really is good sauce.

01:27:35.000 And I know that.

01:27:36.000 That's why I sent it, because I knew, because if you hated it, that would be fine.

01:27:40.000 If you didn't like it, you could tell me you don't like it, and we wouldn't talk about it.

01:27:44.000 It's really good.

01:27:45.000 There's not one person that told me it's bad.

01:27:47.000 Beautiful.

01:27:48.000 Steve Schrepper, ladies and gentlemen.

01:27:50.000 Great talking to you, man.

01:27:50.000 Please.

01:27:53.000 Thanks, man.

The Joe Rogan Experience - April 26, 2016

Joe Rogan Experience #791 - Steve Schirripa

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