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00:03:32.000Yeah, it's the kind of situation, I think, where any time as a human being you lose a little bit of control over a situation, whether it's the weather or something else, you kind of take yourself outside of that realm of how we like to compartmentalize things.
00:03:50.000The epitome of self-centeredness is being in control of absolutely every experience you have and never letting go.
00:03:56.000And the rest of the world around you as well.
00:05:10.000They're like these producers, like, I can't believe we're doing this.
00:05:14.000And one of them, I guess she just doesn't smoke pot, or she just, for whatever reason, she took a hit, and then you see her eyes roll behind her head, and her legs go down, and she almost fell.
00:05:31.000Do you think it was the weed, or was it in conjunction with kind of the drama of the whole event having happened?
00:05:38.000No, no, it was definitely the weed, because she's from L.A., and we flew in to film Fear Factor there, and she just had a weird reaction to pot, for whatever reason.
00:06:16.000So people were more friendly in the city in general and then really thankful when the firemen showed up.
00:06:21.000Yeah, there certainly is a kind of reset button effect when some kind of disaster happens where people feel like they've lost control, even for a moment.
00:06:33.000Dude, like, I'm out here on the highway, or anywhere for that matter, and you have those moments where you're sitting around looking at all these vehicles and wondering how the hell this shit is staying together.
00:06:50.000What percentage of individuals is that to like screw it up for everyone else, whether you're flying a goddamn plane into a building or swerving the wrong way or looking at your text messages or whatever it is.
00:07:01.000I think, you know, often we kind of take these disasters and we kind of hold them up, you know, CNN style, like replay it over and over again.
00:07:11.000When in reality, there's an argument to be made that the amazing part is that it's held together as well as it is.
00:07:20.000There's a lot of arguments when it comes to that, but one of them about gun violence.
00:07:24.000Somebody showed me a chart the other day of how many people have guns, how many people actually get shot by guns, and who are the people that are getting shot by guns.
00:07:35.000How many of the people that are getting shot by guns are involved in gang violence or criminal activity?
00:07:40.000And then it boils down to how many people, I mean, your chances of getting shot, your actual chances of getting shot.
00:07:47.000Like, do we really have a gun problem?
00:09:24.000If you're in the right spot, it's one set of circumstances, and then on the other side of some imaginary line, it's a different set of circumstances.
00:09:32.000Their murder rate is up more than 70% this year from last year.
00:09:43.000There was some kind of a blog I was reading which was like based on infographics and all this guy does, the entire blog is just following Chicago violence.
00:10:28.000He's just hanging out there, you know, walking around, and I don't know what he was saying, but he was filming something, and all of a sudden, you see him drop, and then you see the shooter standing over him, shooting at somebody else.
00:12:21.000I don't remember who I was talking to about this, but it was regarding whether or not more humans were responsible for killing other humans in modern history or disease, like which one was the bigger figure.
00:13:14.000He's got this foundation called Fight for the Forgotten.
00:13:17.000And they go and they build wells in the Congo for people.
00:13:21.000And he's been over there many many times and this is the second time he got malaria and one of the things he was saying is there's different forms of malaria and some malaria will last six months some malaria lasts five years and some malaria lasts thirty years thirty year malaria That's kind of like that Lyme disease.
00:14:51.000They used to call them prairie wolves.
00:14:53.000That's what they used to call them, but it's like a type of wolf.
00:14:56.000And they breed with wolves, most wolves, except gray wolves, because gray wolves have a different genetic line.
00:15:04.000They had left North America millions of years ago and then came back within X amount of thousands of years.
00:15:10.000And so they kill coyotes when they find them.
00:15:13.000But red wolves and some other North American wolves that still survived, those wolves bred with coyotes and they're creating this thing called a coy wolf, which is like a hybrid of coyotes and wolves.
00:15:49.000When you hear coyotes, and then other ones call out.
00:15:53.000What they're doing is, they're doing a roll call.
00:15:55.000They're making sure that everybody's there.
00:15:57.000And when coyotes get killed, when coyotes are under pressure, when coyotes get killed, there's a reaction in the mother where the female coyotes have larger litters.
00:16:08.000So the normal litter, if nothing's disturbed, is between three and four pups.
00:16:12.000But if they get killed, if they notice that their numbers are dwindling, their numbers jack up to as many as 13 to 14 puppies.
00:16:37.000They had extirpated them from Yellowstone Park.
00:16:39.000Then they reintroduced them in the 1990s.
00:16:41.000So the population of coyotes during that time was exactly the same.
00:16:46.000It was completely steady until they brought in wolves.
00:16:49.000And when the wolves started killing the coyotes, because they're gray wolves that they brought in from Canada, the gray wolves started killing the coyotes, the coyotes expanded like crazy and multiplied like nuts.
00:16:59.000And now, the initial thing that happened when they brought in wolves was that the wolves killed a giant percentage of the coyotes, and the coyote population dropped by 50%.
00:17:07.000But then, once the coyotes started having much larger litters because they were being killed off by wolves, Their numbers went as high as they were before, and now even higher, and now they've expanded their range.
00:17:19.000So thanks to the reintroduction of wolves in Yellowstone Park, we've got coyotes all over the continental North America now.
00:18:07.000And I'm sizing it up as I'm staring at it.
00:18:09.000So sure enough, I'm like, this can't be true.
00:18:12.000I've never seen a wolf my whole life in this area.
00:18:16.000And then so what I ended up doing is I went online and I typed the town name along with wolf and sure enough people have been spotting Wolves coming into that area.
00:19:21.000It's all about the Wild West and about the animals that used to exist on the plains.
00:19:27.000And they're actually trying to set aside a gigantic chunk.
00:19:31.000I think it's in Montana or something like that.
00:19:33.000Where they're trying to establish a new Yellowstone type of situation where they bring in a lot of these animals and allow them to live in a natural way in some large sort of, you know, like a savanna type area,
00:19:50.000like that, like recreating sort of the African savannas.
00:20:41.000The tap thing is controversial only because some people say that some of that natural gas that got into that water had already gotten into that water, and this is a common phenomenon that you could actually document back decades before fracking ever existed.
00:20:57.000So it could be that the natural gas, which was already in the water, right?
00:21:48.000And then you put it back in to continue the lobby or whatever it might be to continue that conversation.
00:21:52.000And it's like, when they talk specifically about how individuals, they only need a fragment of information in order to confirm their pre-existing bias.
00:22:05.000You just have to present the alternative argument, make people think it's an argument in the first place, and then they'll pick the side that's more convenient to them.
00:22:37.000This is a super complicated issue that a lot of people, they have decades of science behind them, and they're researching the numbers, they're trying to figure this out.
00:23:08.000Because that's the flow that'll keep you engaged.
00:23:11.000Where you feel like you're getting smarter, but there's no way in hell you're putting in the time to be educated on certain subject matter.
00:23:18.000You're getting just enough To, as I said before, confirm kind of what you thought already and then go out and pretend that, as you mentioned, you're some kind of authority on the situation when there's other people out there that have invested so much more in their perspective.
00:23:34.000But instead of admitting like, hey, I don't know too much about it or it is a complicated issue or there's more to the conversation, there's something empowering about picking a side even if you don't necessarily know.
00:23:46.000Well, I think there's something very problematic about headlines, too.
00:23:50.000Like, these gotcha, clickbait headlines.
00:23:52.000Like, there was a headline recently about Bill Nye the Science Guy.
00:24:08.000He's done a fantastic job of trying to make science interesting to people, and trying to educate people, and trying to make science something that's compelling, and make young people drawn to it.
00:24:21.000So, Bill Nye, the science guy, was having a conversation with this guy, and the article, the topic of the article, or the headline said, Bill Nye favors prison terms for climate deniers.
00:25:15.000When you're talking about these energy CEOs and these people are making choices that are going to directly affect our quality of life, what do we do about it?
00:25:37.000And who's the type of personality who's most inclined to pick that is an individual who doesn't want to invest in discovering even the article.
00:26:04.000Yeah, I mean, that's the only thing they're trying to do.
00:26:06.000And they're trying to make it as salacious and as inviting as possible.
00:26:09.000Yeah, and the thing is, the only way to really combat that is to bounce, is to get out of there as quickly as possible.
00:26:16.000Because the way I understand it, not necessarily an expert in the field...
00:26:21.000Kind of done a few things on YouTube, but as far as Google PageRank is concerned, if a site is getting a quick bounce rate, like if people are landing on it and leaving really quickly, then it could potentially be ranked lower in the future because of that.
00:27:25.000And if we watch the video itself, you can see how deceptive it is to say that he favors people who deny climate change to go to jail.
00:27:34.000Because that's not what he's saying at all.
00:27:37.000Essentially, he's saying that we should look at people that are ruining the earth, like these energy CEOs that wantonly pollute these areas in order to gain profit.
00:27:53.000The environmentalist here at the People's Climate March in 2014, September.
00:27:58.000He said that the climate deniers, his word, and energy CEOs belong at The Hague with three square meals and a cot with all the other war criminals.
00:28:25.000Was it appropriate to jail people from the cigarette industry who insisted that this addictive product was not addictive and so on?
00:28:33.000And you think about, in these cases, for me as a taxpayer and voter, The introduction of this extreme doubt about climate change is affecting my quality of life as a public citizen.
00:28:49.000So I can see where people are very concerned about this and are pursuing criminal investigations as well as As well as engaging in discussions like this.
00:29:01.000See, that is a very measured response.
00:29:04.000And he's essentially talking about people like the BP people that fucking polluted the Gulf.
00:29:18.000Yeah, and even if you look at the very end there, he made sure to say, I can see why people might think something like that, instead of necessarily confirming that that's the outcome he wants to see.
00:29:27.000Yeah, I mean, he's making good points.
00:29:32.000Like that Merchants of Doubt movie, which is an amazing movie.
00:29:35.000If you watch that movie, you realize that the same people that were working for the tobacco industry, that were denying the addictive effects of tobacco, are the same people that are denying climate change.
00:30:43.000Yeah, so in that sense, I feel like, you know, there's a place for it, but I think people use the technique to essentially lie, and it gives the whole kind of system a bad rap.
00:30:55.000Well, in that Bill Nye situation, there's not only is it clickbait, I think it's, like, he should fucking sue.
00:31:53.000Yeah, and that's like the entire agenda is to use other people's content as the vehicle for you to have a channel.
00:32:00.000So like, today I'm going to shit on this video, and tomorrow I'm going to shit on that video.
00:32:04.000So there's this kind of conversation about whether or not that—like, is that still fair use in that environment?
00:32:11.000Because the understanding—I mean, it's not definitive, but the understanding I have of fair use is that, like, if you're compelling people to go look at the original, like you just did with the information about coyotes— You took a moment and you said, okay, this is this guy's research or whatever,
00:33:15.000And so some of these channels are rapidly growing.
00:33:17.000Rapidly growing on the backs of essentially making fun of people.
00:33:22.000So there's some sort of feeling in the community that YouTube has changed or you get a lot of these people that are like, make YouTube great again, stuff like that.
00:33:32.000But I mean, I don't necessarily agree with that.
00:33:34.000But I think that there is maybe a conversation to be had about how much freedom we're willing to give individuals to essentially build their product on the back of other people's.
00:33:46.000Well, that is an important issue when it comes to fair use.
00:33:49.000Like, if someone just decided to make an unboxing, unboxing therapy channel, and all their shit is just shitting on what you do.
00:33:57.000Look at this fucking dummy talking about watches.
00:34:53.000And they've been doing this for a long time.
00:34:54.000The core aspect of the model is that there's this thing you're reacting to, whether it's a viral video, a trend, whatever it might be.
00:35:03.000Well, recently they tried to trademark the term React so that anybody who uploaded a video with the term React in it, that they could claim it and earn the ad revenue.
00:37:38.000If you make a reaction video, you want to watch Two Girls, One Cup, or a guy getting run over by a buffalo, If they want money from you watching that video, that's stealing.
00:37:48.000What they've done is they've used lawyers to circumvent the system.
00:37:51.000They've jacked the system and they're gonna try to steal.
00:37:54.000Have they actually copyrighted the word react?
00:38:00.000What happened was the internet lost its shit, as you would expect.
00:38:04.000And these guys, there were videos on YouTube which were live streams.
00:38:09.000These were so funny when this was going on.
00:38:12.000Essentially what they were is the subscriber count of their channel shortly after the controversy had hit and it just like fell off a cliff.
00:38:35.000You're everything that's wrong with distributing content over the internet.
00:38:38.000That's everything that's wrong with it.
00:38:39.000You've taken one of the sneakiest, most diabolical fucking tricks in all of the legal system, and you've applied it to this open, free world of the internet.
00:40:29.000It's scary both ways, because at the same time, you're like, well, do you really want YouTube to come in as this massive governing body to stop stuff like this from happening?
00:41:08.000Didn't Disney copyright Happy Birthday?
00:41:12.000Well, Happy Birthday to You, the song, was copywritten for a long time, but it's since been dissolved.
00:41:18.000Now, because he used to go to a restaurant and they used to have to sing their own, like, Happy Happy Birthday.
00:41:23.000They couldn't sing Happy Birthday to you.
00:41:27.000That song that we all know, the iconic song, somebody owned it.
00:41:31.000So if you wanted to sing that song in your restaurant, when someone came in, they were celebrating a birthday, you would actually get fined.
00:41:54.000I know sometimes you have musicians on here, right?
00:41:57.000And they kind of seem to me to be a little bit out of touch with the internet space.
00:42:03.000And I'm just wondering, if a person is purchasing or streaming or buying something that somebody's trying to sell digitally, How do you feel about that?
00:42:21.000Well, let's say, for example, you had a record and you found out that a bunch of people were pirating it.
00:42:26.000How hard would you be willing to go after them?
00:42:29.000Well, see, it completely depends upon whether or not...
00:42:33.000What your business is so I my feeling is that one of the things about music and You could use the same argument for stand-up comedy is that pirating in a lot of ways empowers people like like when someone puts up my stand-up on their YouTube channel I'm not into taking that down because I think that even when I was selling it,
00:42:57.000And the reason being is because I think the more people see it, the more people will come to see your live shows, the more people will come to support your stand-up, whether it's on Netflix or Comedy Central or whatever.
00:44:42.000The record companies would rip them off for record sales and they would come up with all these elaborate accounting methods to fix the profit so they made it look like all their expenses had to be paid first before they counted the profit.
00:44:57.000They didn't take into consideration the artists learning how to play, going on the road, Doing all these gigs, creating this song, all the time spent writing.
00:45:06.000They don't take that into consideration, but they do calculate all their employees, all their expenses, all their advertising revenue, how much it costs to rent their building, how much it costs for insurance, how much it costs for errors and omissions insurance.
00:45:20.000All those different things they do take into account before you get paid.
00:45:26.000Like, there's a lot of artists that got unbelievably bad record deals.
00:45:29.000Like, the reason why Prince had changed his name to a symbol, because they fucking owned his name.
00:45:35.000So that crafty bastard just decided to make his name some sort of a weird symbol and become the artist formerly known as Prince, and they couldn't do shit about it.
00:45:43.000It was a really clever workaround for Prince.
00:45:47.000Essentially in response to these devious practices by these fucking record companies, right?
00:45:52.000So in that sense I think like if someone if you have an album and everybody loves it and then people start pirating it and then it gets all over the place like Some musicians I had Paul Stanley on from kiss I heard that one.
00:47:09.000And the other thing is, the sheer numbers of songs that get put out every day, they all exist now.
00:47:16.000You could go back and listen to some Roy Orbison from the 1950s, or you can listen to some shit that some new band you haven't heard of just put out last week.
00:48:14.000He makes these videos where he just puts up a curtain behind him, and he makes these YouTube videos, and he sings these songs, and some of them are fucking good.
00:49:53.000I remember reading something recently, don't quote me, I don't know the figures, but that artists, a lot of artists are actually making more off the vinyl than they are off the digital.
00:50:01.000Even though the volume is so much lower, just because the actual per unit cost is so high.
00:50:06.000So like, big bands are doing special edition releases on vinyl and such to kind of get back some of that lost revenue that's existed because of digital.
00:50:17.000So that's an interesting angle to take, but I think people are like you, where you're kind of almost doing it not because you really need to have it on vinyl, but because you want to support something that you like.
00:50:27.000Unfortunately, I think it's a small percentage of people that do that.
00:50:30.000Most people, if they can get it for free, they get it for free, because most people are constantly worried about their bills.
00:50:35.000And if you can get something for free and download it and no one's watching, I mean, that totally makes sense.
00:50:40.000Artists making more of vinyl sales than streaming services.
00:52:11.000Yeah, it's a fraction of a penny per play.
00:52:13.000But see, my feeling though is, is the Spotify audience, are they a crossover of the iTunes audience, or are they a crossover of the pirating audience?
00:52:23.000Because it's like, instead of tuning into a local radio station...
00:52:26.000I guess what I'm saying is, in the absence of Spotify, do those millions and millions of users, do they turn to iTunes and give you the 99 cents, or do they give you nothing?
00:52:34.000Because if they're giving you nothing, And stealing it, right, then isn't Spotify better than that alternative?
00:52:43.000And this is the fear, this is the thing that the music business doesn't seem to want to address, is that when Napster hit, everybody was a pirate.
00:53:54.000Yeah, except that one is owned by artists, not record labels, and they have similar issues in trying to pay actual artists, because at the end of the day, if they raise the price of their service, if Spotify goes from $10 to $20, people aren't going to have it.
00:54:09.000Well, what are the percentage of people that use Spotify that actually pay?
00:55:13.000I think artists need to recognize that and then whatever system comes forth for how to deliver the future of how we listen to music, at least they're involved in that process instead of just participating in the current one.
00:55:29.000It's like you need to be on Spotify for a number of different reasons as an emerging artist because that's the way people are discovering music.
00:55:35.000So there's a lot of pressure there to participate even though you're not getting rewarded for it.
00:55:41.000As an emerging artist, but as an artist that already is doing well and established making money and you realize that Spotify needs people like you in order to legitimize its company, then it becomes an issue, right?
00:55:55.000Well, our subscriber growth in the last six months of 2015, what does that mean?
00:55:58.000Okay, just 10 million paid subscribers.
00:59:17.000I've been having a lot recently because I've seen some things happen.
00:59:20.000If all of the music you like, let's say, pick your ten favorite albums of all time, you don't have them a physical copy of, but you have them saved on your Apple, your iMusic, whatever service you pick.
00:59:31.000If it's all in the cloud, they can technically go change that music whenever they choose to.
00:59:37.000Yeah, Kanye West has been doing something really recently right now, where he put out an album on Tidal last month, and for about a month they were kind of tweaking it.
00:59:44.000They were changing the mastering on it, they were changing the featured artists on it even on one song.
00:59:49.000Oh, so while it was up, he was tweaking it.
00:59:51.000He's gone back on another album that's already been out for a long time now and changed some of the mastering on two of those songs, and some people think he might be doing more.
01:01:44.000Well, she's been protected by royalty for so long because he existed...
01:01:48.000as a celebrity in a strange time when an artist can get away with almost anything I mean you were in a bubble you were different and I think that being in a bubble and also I think for a guy like you or I to try to even understand what it's like to be as famous as Bill Cosby it's impossible I think it's probably an unmanageable level of fame at a certain point in his life you know especially when he had Bill Cosby himself and the Cosby show on NBC he was fucking royalty man And during that
01:02:18.000time, he was inviting these girls to come over and read scripts and suck his dick and fucking drugging them and they'd wake up with their panties down by their ankles and cum in their hair.
01:02:27.000They didn't know what the fuck was going on and he just got away with it over and over and over again.
01:02:31.000And because he got away with it and because of the way people treated him, it sort of fostered this really crazy sociopathic behavior that he had.
01:02:46.000The criminal case is going to go forward.
01:02:48.000The judge already ruled that she had signed some shit saying that she couldn't testify against him, that she wouldn't bring charges, and that she wouldn't reveal the details of the case.
01:03:00.000But then she did reveal the details of the case.
01:04:41.000I've told this story before, but I'll tell you it again just for you.
01:04:44.000There was a show that I did in Seattle, the Seattle area, this casino, and one of the people that was working there said that Cosby used to have these people sit down before the show.
01:04:54.000He had all the employees, like the ushers, the door people, they'd sit down and watch him eat dinner.
01:05:00.000He would sit there and eat curry, and they had to watch him.
01:05:03.000They'd stand in the room and watch him eat before the show.
01:05:59.000I saw when Prince died recently, I saw an infographic, I don't even know, maybe you tweeted it, about the average age of male pop stars when they die.
01:07:27.000First of all, Prince was like androgynous and he was all about free love and he wore high heels, but he didn't like gay people.
01:07:33.000Do you know one of the things that Prince...
01:07:35.000I mean, Prince is like a known homophobe.
01:07:37.000And one of the things that he said in a recent interview, and I hate to disparage him in his death because he was a brilliant artist and all that good stuff, but...
01:07:43.000He was talking about how one of the problems with the world today is that God set all these rules and then, you know, people just decide they want to stick their dick in this hole or that hole and just do anything they want to do and you can't do that.
01:07:55.000And they were asking him about gay marriage.
01:07:57.000And, you know, he was saying that this is not what God wanted.
01:08:01.000See if you can find the exact quote because it was pretty disturbing coming from a guy that you expect because of his sort of androgynous nature and how weird he was.
01:08:10.000Yeah, do you think he's like going further in that direction because...
01:08:16.000I meant just maybe because of his actual personal experience.
01:08:19.000Like in a way, you know, some people, they overcompensate on one side.
01:08:24.000Honestly, I think with Prince, based on what I've seen of his interviews, I think he was insanely sheltered because he was so famous and that he could basically say anything and nobody would disagree with him.
01:08:37.000And he cultivated some really fucking wacky opinions.
01:08:41.000First of all, he believed that the government was spraying things in the sky that made people fight in the ghetto.
01:10:54.000He goes, you got the Republicans, basically they want to live according to the Bible, but there's a problem with interpretation, and you've got some churches, some people basically doing things and saying it comes from here, but it doesn't.
01:11:05.000Then you've got the opposite of the spectrum, you got blue, you got the Democrats, and they're like, you can do whatever you want, gay marriage, whatever, but neither of them is right.
01:11:12.000Asked about his perspective on social issues, gay marriage, abortion.
01:11:16.000Prince tapped his Bible and said, God came to earth and saw people sticking it wherever and doing it with whatever, and he just cleared it all out.
01:11:35.000How many people sucked a cock because it was like, we're going to party like it's 1999, and they just said, fuck it, I'll just do ecstasy in my asshole.
01:11:45.000I think he's sheltered, or he was sheltered, and I think he's a brilliant...
01:11:54.000The outlier of outliers when it comes to brilliant artists.
01:11:57.000And I think that you're by yourself too much.
01:12:05.000But that's why I say, even in the case of Bill Cosby, are we looking at a condition of the circumstance?
01:12:11.000Because if we have this data that says, hey...
01:12:14.000Pop stars are dying 30 years before the regular public, on average.
01:12:20.000These people obviously have an unusual enough circumstance that it's affecting all of them the same, unless the type of people drawn to that career in the first place are already substantially different than the rest of the public.
01:12:32.000Well, they're definitely substantially different than the rest of the public in that they've developed as an entertainer from their formative years.
01:12:39.000I mean, Prince was an artist and a musician when he was very young.
01:12:42.000And then when he came out with I Want to Be Your Lover, I think he was only like 20 years old or something like that.
01:12:48.000How old was he when I Want to Be Your Lover came out?
01:13:57.000There were so many good songs like Controversy.
01:14:00.000You know, he had some and then also like some guys sort of like came along with him like Morris Day in the time because they were in Purple Rain They sort of came along with him and they got famous for a brief period of time, too He was amazing man.
01:14:12.000It was amazing But I think I've always said this that I think you can't there's there's a balance in this world that you can't achieve when you achieve greatness when you achieve that kind of greatness I think it's at this at that is at the sacrifice of balance, right?
01:14:27.000Whether it's balance in your social life or balance in your ability to have a healthy and objective perspective.
01:14:36.000I think that's what we're seeing with Kanye West, too.
01:14:39.000In order to really go after something and just be obsessed with it to the point of just carving out this magnificent diamond of art, you gotta be a fucking nut, man.
01:15:02.000This shit that he did that you just to this day just go, God damn, he was so good that all the other stuff is probably a symptom of a lack of balance and development in his overall life that led to this incredible brilliance in his art form.
01:16:36.000Everybody better shut the fuck up when James Cameron talks.
01:16:39.000It's like when they're about to make a movie and he goes in there and it's just like they just write the check and get the fuck out of the way.
01:17:03.000Look, yes, there's iconic themes that exist in a bunch of different mediums, but that movie is fucking amazing.
01:17:09.000And if you overthink it, and you say, oh, I've heard this all before, you know, this is fucking...
01:17:14.000Well, I mean, you could say the same for a lot of the sort of classic stories.
01:17:18.000But he just, he nailed this insane version of that genre.
01:17:23.000It's like saying a rock and roll song.
01:17:25.000Like, there's some classic rock and roll themes that you would, you'd see, if you heard of this song, yeah, well, there's like themes in songs that you just kind of accept because it's cool to hear them in songs.
01:17:37.000And that's essentially what he's done on a grand scale in Avatar.
01:19:38.000I mean, granted, whatever, James Cameron's brilliant and the shit they do in Hollywood is fucking amazing and all the rest of it, but I'm in this weird situation where, like, I'm the guy.
01:20:17.000Yeah, because I want to capture, like, you know, I feel like your relationship with a product is a lot like a relationship with another person.
01:20:23.000Now, you guys think I'm perverted at this point.
01:20:34.000But I'm saying it's like this process of getting to know the thing.
01:20:39.000Well, as a person who watches you, sorry to interrupt you, but that authenticity comes through and that's one of the reasons why your videos are so compelling.
01:20:45.000Because when you open up a video and you're checking out a new phone and you're going over the edges and you're experiencing it for the first time with the person that's watching the video.
01:21:15.000But at the same time, it's like it doesn't, that part of it doesn't necessarily capture the excitement associated with the thing, the oohs and the ahs, and all that kind of natural reaction, which is impossible to fake.
01:21:30.000All the rest of it when it comes to like, let's do that line again because, I don't know, you didn't say the spec right, or whatever.
01:21:36.000Like, that would be the equivalent of the situation I was in yesterday.
01:21:39.000But it's like, I'm willing to sacrifice some of that to get the intangible stuff, which is the oohs and ahs that will never happen again, not in the same way.
01:25:32.000When do you ever get a chance to put your phone aside and just sit down and just look at a friend in the eyes and just talk about things?
01:25:40.000Before, I mean, when I was, you know, I've been here for a couple days, and I'm telling people, okay, no, you know, Saturday, I can't hang out, whatever, I'm going to be on the podcast.
01:25:47.000And they're like, what do you guys do to prepare for that?
01:25:50.000And on your podcast, I'm like, no, nothing.
01:25:52.000Like, you actually just sit down, and you just start talking.
01:27:59.000I think that's exactly, I think, how it's looked at.
01:28:03.000In a world where we realize that there is this increasingly short attention span, you wonder how much of this kind of stuff here actually replaces the real-world version of it.
01:28:15.000If people can't be in a movie theater without being on their phones, if they can't drive without being on their phones, if we are literally building new pathways in our heads for how we look at spare time, then is this thing an alternative to that?
01:29:06.000So it stimulates you when you're in your car.
01:29:09.000It gives you interesting conversations when you're on a plane or when you're at the gym.
01:29:14.000And it replaces a lot of traditional standard media in that way.
01:29:18.000Also, because there's no ads, there's ads in the beginning, and if you want, you fast-forward through those fuckers, but the three hours of the podcast is totally uninterrupted.
01:30:36.000I don't think there's a lot of people out there pushing that particular message in the space I'm in.
01:30:41.000I think, you know, especially since, particularly on the video side, on the YouTube side, it's emerging as this, like, real business, real enterprise.
01:30:49.000Well, it's because there's so much money in it, though.
01:33:03.000It's this weird situation of, like, advertisers and the business side of the thing not being used to the idea of people...
01:33:14.000Basically disrespecting the audience is what it is.
01:33:17.000Because you're going to come at it from a respectful point of view.
01:33:20.000I'm going to come at it from a respectful point of view.
01:33:22.000But they're used to inserting things that nobody wants.
01:33:25.000So they automatically assume if they're working with you that nobody wants what you're talking about in reference to that project or whatever.
01:33:33.000So they come at it from a negative, from a guilty point of view.
01:33:36.000As opposed to like, hey, people like this guy the way he is.
01:33:46.000It's like, if you're going to have that environment, if you're going to have this situation where there's like 50 or 100 people to get this piece of content, everybody in there needs to carve out that groove for themselves, a place to fit.
01:35:29.000In fact, you could make the argument that if our goal is to connect with people on the other end, form these relationships, it's better to look to just in every way to be as close as you can to the real you.
01:40:23.000I think, okay, if I catch myself, fairly confident guy, you know, I'm happy with myself to a certain degree.
01:40:30.000If I catch myself at 10 or whatever the number is, How many goddamn photos are these professional Instagram girls taking before they pick one to post?
01:42:16.000Amongst some of the tight-knit groups on there, some of the bigger photo pages that emerged, it was kind of like, hey, I built this business on the back of a stupid cell phone camera, and then some person comes in.
01:42:30.000With all this heavy duty equipment and kind of interrupts it.
01:42:33.000And I don't know how much of it was just them being competitive and how much of it was them believing in the ethic of it being instant.
01:42:41.000My friend Meg has an Instagram page where it's all just Polaroids.
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01:43:31.000I guess he has these prints for sale, but let me pull it up so people can see it here.
01:45:21.000Well, he was in China here and there, and he said that there was one point where they were at a restaurant that all they had was dogs, so he was in.
01:46:18.000It's boundary dissolving in that you enter into a truly wild world, and there is these large animals that live in this wild world, and you feel their world.
01:46:29.000There's no cell phone service out there.
01:46:32.000You're in the woods with the trees and the animals, and you're a part of this natural environment for a very brief time.
01:46:38.000And people are like, well, why would you want to go there and kill those animals and this?
01:46:42.000There's all these weird arguments that you could have back and forth about this, these conversations that you could have about whether or not it's okay to kill these animals.
01:46:51.000I've made these conversations with myself, believe me.
01:46:53.000Before I started hunting for the first time, my thought was, I'm either going to go hunting, and I'm going to never eat meat again, I'm going to become a vegan, or I'm going to be a hunter.
01:47:04.000And one of the reasons why I decided to be a hunter is, I realized I don't like factory farming, I think it's fucked up, I think the way we get our food...
01:47:42.000That's the natural world that we live in.
01:47:44.000When you go out into the woods and you see the actual natural world, the tooth, fang, and claw natural world, and you find mountain lion shit that has hair in it, and you look around and you see an elk at the top of a ridge,
01:48:00.000and he's trying to fuck all these other cow elk and trying to fight all these bulls that are coming in.
01:48:06.000Last time I was elk hunting, they had found a dead elk that had been killed by another elk.
01:48:11.000This thousand pound animal that died because this other animal with fucking a tree grown out of its head speared it in the side and killed it.
01:48:20.000I mean it's really wild to see like these things kill each other so they can fuck.
01:48:25.000And you're out in that world, and when you do, it makes everything seem...
01:48:32.000The whole predator-prey experience seems very intensified.
01:48:38.000Like, your connection to your food is very intense.
01:48:44.000And also, from a wildlife management standpoint, what we're talking about with Lyme disease, the reason why they have Lyme disease is because they have too many deer.
01:49:08.000When you have too many animals, too many game animals, too many wild animals, and the balance gets overrun, whether it's too many wolves or too many bear or too many deer, wildlife biologists understand what the correct numbers are in order to keep that harmony.
01:49:31.000And the money from those tags is responsible for the protection of these wildlife areas, protection of habitat, or option number two, they hire snipers.
01:49:40.000They hire people to go out there and kill these animals, and that's what they're doing in Zimbabwe with lions.
01:49:45.000They're killing 200 lions, rather, this year because they have so many lions now because of what happened with the dentist.
01:49:53.000Where the dentist went over and shot Cecil the lion and became this big thing.
01:49:57.000Well, they had a control of their population.
01:49:59.000They had this sort of ecosystem balanced out.
01:50:20.000And in North America, they do that with bears, they do that with mountain lions in most states.
01:50:25.000They figure out what is the healthy number where all these animals can coexist.
01:50:30.000Yeah, well, it's one thing to have an opinion on that matter, and it's a different thing to actually have exposure and then maintain that opinion.
01:50:39.000It's one thing to be on Twitter, sitting on your couch, Watching TV saying a couple words about how you think about the planet, the wilderness, and so on.
01:50:50.000But to maintain that perspective when you're actually in it, I would have to believe and speculate that that's a difficult thing to do.
01:50:58.000Well, there's a deep respect that comes and a deep love for an animal that is going to sustain you and feed you.
01:51:06.000The thing about it is these animals, they're not going to live forever if you don't do that.
01:51:11.000Their life is incredibly brutal and incredibly short.
01:51:14.000And what you're doing as a hunter is you're going into that world and you're dipping your toes into it for a brief amount of time, a week or whatever it takes to find an animal.
01:51:22.000And then that animal's gonna feed you for months.
01:51:24.000And to me, it's so much more ethical than buying it from a store.
01:51:31.000But from a vegan perspective, like, they don't want anything to die, they want everything to live forever, but it doesn't work that way.
01:51:37.000Because first of all, if you don't shoot animals, If you don't control bear populations, the bear are going to decimate the moose population.
01:51:45.000They're going to decimate the deer population.
01:53:29.000Yeah, I mean, if you wanted to eat the way people eat today, there has to be some sort of farming going on if you want to eat the amount of meat.
01:53:35.000And people find that problematic, and that's for a good reason.
01:54:09.000You know, I mean, unless you're buying absolute organic where there's no pesticides used, you're for sure going to be responsible for the death of millions of bugs.
01:54:18.000If you live in a house, you display, you know what I mean?
01:54:20.000Like, everybody's fucking with animals.
01:54:22.000And on top of that, there's some very real and compelling evidence that plants have a level of intelligence.
01:54:29.000We don't want to think of them as sentient because they can't communicate with us.
01:54:33.000They don't say anything to us like, ow, don't chop me down, it hurts.
01:54:40.000Now this is a crazy thing that they found with giraffes, that the plants that giraffes eat, if they're downwind, so like if the giraffes are eating this plant and the wind from the plant they're eating goes downwind and catches these other plants, the plants will change the chemical composition of their leaves and become more bitter,
01:55:00.000making them less attractive to predation.
01:55:03.000So they're communicating with each other.
01:55:05.000It's like telepathic shit right there.
01:55:07.000I don't remember what planet was that does that, but they have proven that plants do calculations, that plants are doing some kind of strange mathematics, that they're communicating with each other.
01:55:19.000They know when other plants are being chopped down.
01:55:22.000There's some shit going on with life, and we don't have the capability to understand dolphins, okay?
01:55:30.000When dolphins communicate with each other, they have a complex language, they have dialects, they sound differently in different parts of the world, they recognize each other, they have a very bizarre way of communicating that we have not been able to decipher.
01:55:43.000But we recognize that it's going on because it's close enough to our own kind of communication that we say, oh, these things are smart and they're talking to each other.
01:55:52.000Well, there's something going on with plants, too.
01:55:55.000And this is a recent thing where the science behind it is starting to catch up, where it's emerging, where they're doing these tests and they're running these numbers and they go, look...
01:56:05.000They're not wooden in the sense that it's not...
01:56:35.000We are responsible for the lives of Untold trillions of bacteria that live inside of us, right?
01:56:43.000Well, it's the same thing can be said of the dirt itself.
01:56:45.000The dirt itself is some sort of a strange balanced ecosystem, right?
01:56:49.000Where worms and bacteria and all of these different funguses and all these different life forms all exist together and then the plant feeds off of those life forms and the plant in some respects It relies on the death of biological things like mammals and rats and bugs.
01:57:08.000It relies on them for the very nutrients that it needs to make a plant in the first place.
01:57:18.000And to deny that you're eating life, some strange life form, when you're having a salad is the height of convenience.
01:57:26.000There's nothing wrong with eating a salad, but I don't think there's anything wrong with eating an elk steak either.
01:57:32.000Life is consuming life, and it's just more obvious when you shoot an animal and you're there when it dies.
01:57:39.000What about when humans find a way to grow meat in a lab?
01:57:46.000It's gonna be very interesting, and they're kind of there right now.
01:57:48.000Yeah, I remember reading something about They had the meat ready to go, but they couldn't actually consume it because the governing body or whatever for food and beverage or whoever the hell it is said that it would be illegal to consume it.
01:58:04.000For some reason, again, probably some food lobby or something.
01:58:08.000But theoretically, right, we could find a way to manufacture all this shit.
02:00:33.000Whatever the reasoning is, the biological part pulls you in, but then there's a psychological aftermath of you now being a different person because of the moves you made in the first place.
02:01:01.000I just got a wife that just runs the ship and everybody just gets the fuck out of the way.
02:01:04.000So part of me worries, though, that, like, in the absence of those interactions, what happens to the psyche of...
02:01:13.000Males and females now just kind of allowed to bathe in their own perspective over and over and over again and never have to make those adjustments and never have to make those compromises.
02:01:25.000Because historically, that hasn't really been a good sign.
02:01:29.000You send a bunch of guys into jail without any females or you send them off to war without any females, they become fucking savages pretty goddamn quickly.
02:02:11.000And if you could just put on your Facebook virtual reality headset and go fuck the Asian supermodel in another dimension, why would you be a dick?
02:02:38.000They want to complain about everything.
02:02:39.000I want to sue this person over here and do this over there.
02:02:41.000And in an environment where we take that a step further, and now we never compromise for other people, when we do emerge from Our headset world, what is our personality?
02:02:53.000It's a good question because what is our personality based on?
02:02:56.000Most of our personality is based on the long-running equation of your life.
02:03:02.000All the interactions you've ever had with other people and how they've reacted to you and how you've adjusted your personality accordingly.
02:03:16.000It's a guy, he's a scientist, and he does these videos that sort of, I don't know, attacks sort of everyday things that might seem obvious, but then breaks them down a little bit.
02:03:27.000Anyway, he did a video about a bicycle.
02:03:30.000And what happened was, this was a bicycle that had a gear in the steering.
02:03:35.000So that left was now right, and right was now left.
02:04:24.000Once they're in there, they're in there.
02:04:26.000And so he did an experiment where he took his eight-year-old, I want to say, who had just recently learned how to ride a bike the right way, gave him the same bike, and in a couple of weeks he had it down.
02:04:38.000He could ride the reverse bike or the regular bike.
02:04:41.000And so he was building this kind of...
02:04:45.000Perspective that like but potentially when it comes to language when it comes to learning when it comes to everything that the absence of those Pathways for young people actually makes them more Flexible yeah a greater ability to change their way of thinking right on a more frequent basis Because he was looking big picture at it and the funny thing is when he went back To go back to the regular bike.
02:05:09.000He couldn't ride the regular bike Hmm Wow That doesn't make any sense.
02:06:10.000You can watch a bunch of people fail in the actual video.
02:06:15.000Well, it makes complete sense because pathways that you've developed are incredibly difficult to break.
02:06:20.000And one of the things that when I was teaching martial arts I found was it's way easier to teach a person who has no martial arts experience whatsoever than a person who studied a different style.
02:06:54.000I feel like if the black belt had bad technique and bad form and bad Bad mechanics if I could watch the two of them progress over a few years Eventually the white belt would surpass the black belt and move forward and be able to reach their full potential where the black belt with bad mechanics even though they might know how to fight good or Because they might know what they can do and even though what they're doing is not optimized with the most effective technique They know what how it works and how it fits
02:07:25.000in the language of the community Like I think fighting is kind of like a language and even with like your shitty words and your bad grammar You could still form a sentence and still talk and communicate with people that's similar to the articulation of a real polished Technical martial artist versus a person with like a very limited vocabulary with street knowledge The person with the polished vocabulary will be able to express themselves more clearly.
02:07:48.000And expressing yourself is what you're actually doing when you're fighting.
02:07:52.000That's a really cool way to look at it.
02:07:53.000So the person who starts out with nothing is better off than the person who starts out with shit technique.
02:08:00.000Unless the person who starts out with shit technique is super open-minded And has no ego and is willing or has very good control of the ego and is willing to try to completely learn everything from scratch and not go into it saying, hey, I'm already black belt.
02:08:28.000He's a guy who I've known for a long time, but he doesn't have a background in editing at all.
02:08:34.000He didn't have any kind of preconceived notions of what these videos should look like, but I liked that when he came in because I was like, you know, I can kind of...
02:08:43.000Finesse this idea of how I want things to look and how I want them to be and he can kind of learn Starting with this These parameters the ones that you know as opposed to somebody coming in who would have been like a professional in the space And I think that particular perspective is something that a lot of startups are are doing as well when it comes to hiring new people is it's like are you hiring?
02:09:06.000Are you hiring a person and their skill set?
02:09:28.000And also, do they come into that business with a preconceived notion of what their future is going to be based on, like, I'm going to move from here to there, and then I'll get a corner office, and then blah, blah, blah.
02:09:38.000And they have this idea already mapped out in front of them.
02:09:40.000And then when things aren't that way, they maybe be disappointed or don't know how to react.
02:09:45.000Yeah, this is the equivalent of the bicycle pathway thing, but mapped out in a different scenario.
02:09:50.000But it gets me thinking about myself, too, in what are my pathways that I can't break in thinking about subject matter in looking at the way I behave.
02:10:02.000Because I feel like not being able to ride the bike the other way is the perfect example of...
02:11:14.000But I don't know what it is exactly that holds it back.
02:11:18.000Also, I think it's a fine line because on the other side of it, if a person's bouncing around from day to day on how they feel about something, it could be a fucking nightmare as well.
02:11:25.000Well, then they shouldn't be a leader.
02:11:55.000And that's why a lot of things, when you look at them and you go, ooh, well, okay, there's a lot of ways to look at this.
02:12:00.000And when someone wants to come at it from a real hard black or white perspective, that usually is either someone with a deep agenda or someone who doesn't have a considered nuanced perspective of the subject at hand.
02:12:15.000It's one of the most frustrating things about living a substantial part of my life on the internet is that, and I don't know if we talked about this previously or not, but it's this idea of everybody having kind of a microphone.
02:12:29.000Everybody being able to blast out their kind of perspective.
02:12:35.000I don't like the comment section on YouTube.
02:12:37.000And my comments are not that bad, okay?
02:12:42.000The idea that you could create this video, put all this effort into it, formulate a perspective, and then everybody's gonna scroll to the top comment, and this dude put in what?
02:13:58.000And trust me, whenever I engage in anything slightly more artistic or subjective online, I'm thinking, man, it'd be cool to turn off the comments and let it just breathe a little bit.
02:14:09.000But at the same time, I'm like, this is the format that has been what everyone's accepted and expects now.
02:14:17.000And so I feel like probably the healthier approach is this idea of tweaking it.
02:14:49.000Now there's a whole thread underneath that guy's single comment, which then pushes it to the top because it's creating conversation.
02:14:56.000And this is stuff that like on the highest level, the biggest businesses in the space, if you're Google, if you're Facebook, they're having boardroom meetings about this stuff.
02:15:05.000Did you hear about what Clinton's doing?
02:15:19.000They have a hundred people that are working for her that actively go out and correct people that are saying negative things about this fucking career criminal that might be the President of the United States someday.
02:18:27.000Yeah, and I understand how that can look like, you know...
02:18:31.000You're not taking a strong position, but if I put my SIM card into a phone and I'm not feeling it, it's not going to last in there very long.
02:18:39.000So anyway, I had some issues with LG's latest phone, even though I like some stuff about it.
02:18:56.000Anyway, that obviously never happened, but LG kind of Took the approach of trying to make what the consumer version of that would look like.
02:19:04.000So the battery compartment, you can pull out the battery and then reinsert a camera module, which is going to give you a better grip, different attributes to the camera.
02:20:13.000So anyway, I don't know if they show any of the other modules here, but they're opening it up to third parties as a port.
02:20:19.000So essentially, if you're an audio maker and you want to have your own amp, or if you're God knows what accessory you might want to have utilized that, maybe a bigger battery.
02:20:33.000Whatever it is that you might want to improve, you could access that and do so.
02:20:36.000What an uphill battle it is, though, for these cell phone companies to come up with something that you can get other people to jump in on and make accessories for.
02:20:44.000Because people look at it and go, man, I don't know if this is going to catch on.
02:20:47.000Do we use our resources and our engineers to develop something for this LG platform?
02:20:52.000We can just make some shit for the iPhone and it's going to sell for sure.
02:21:18.000So basically what it does is it gives you a bigger battery, first of all, and then it gives you some control over the shutter as well as a wheel.
02:21:26.000Now, on a professional camera, that wheel normally would be mapped to shutter speed or something more professional style of interaction.
02:22:41.000So the iPhone might do something similar.
02:22:43.000What do you not like about this phone?
02:22:45.000Okay, so I don't know how fair it is, but really the way I evaluate a phone is how it kind of interacts with all the other devices that I expect it to interact with.
02:22:56.000So, for example, if I get in my truck and I want this shit to seamlessly connect via Bluetooth, start playing my podcast, and so on, this phone, for whatever reason, it had no problem linking up The multimedia portion to play the music,
02:23:13.000the podcasts, but the headset portion, for whatever reason, it wouldn't connect for answering phone calls via my Bluetooth.
02:23:42.000It's a little bit rough around the edges.
02:23:44.000And so, again, it's so competitive in this marketplace that any little inch you're going to give up is going to have a drastic impact.
02:23:52.000And lastly, I don't like their software, their skin that they put on Android, but we talked about this before.
02:23:56.000I'm like a purist when it comes to that, and I usually modify that anyways.
02:24:00.000But there was some weirdness from the get-go about not just the skin they have on there, but But how hard it is to really switch it around too much.
02:24:08.000The Samsung theme store is a little bit more elaborate if you want to change the appearance of the way your TouchWiz.
02:24:14.000TouchWiz has gotten a lot better, but I still have a Nexus in my pocket right now.
02:24:17.000Now, the Nexus phones, what's the service?
02:25:21.000So even if you just went to the Google Play Store and ordered a Nexus 6P or 5X, any SIM card you put in there is going to work.
02:25:28.000And Nexus does it that way so they can give you the pure Google experience.
02:25:32.000You're buying it directly from Google with no skins, no apps, no touch wiz, no bullshit.
02:25:37.000And the tough part about that is there's so few people who have ever even experienced it because you can't pick it up in a Verizon store or an AT&T store.
02:25:44.000That's got to be frustrating for the Google people.
02:29:00.000This idea of innovating in the space, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's all the way there.
02:29:07.000Jamie, see if you can find, instead of this commercial cartoon they're showing us, actual data of what networks they're using and how it works.
02:29:17.000Because Chris Ryan, Dr. Chris Ryan, the guy who wrote Sex at Dawn, he was the one who first told me about it, and that's why he bought the phone.
02:29:23.000He's like, I love it because everywhere I go, it just finds the best service.
02:30:35.000I'm not 100% sure how that works, but Wi-Fi calling and whatnot is cool, because generally speaking, even in your own places, like the places you frequent, like your office and your house and such...
02:32:09.000It's like, from a design perspective, you can't imagine ever doing a drawing where for any reason you'd do that unless it was an absolute necessity.
02:32:16.000But the thing is, a lot of phone makers keep trying to slim down the devices.
02:32:19.000It has to be thinner every single generation.
02:32:22.000And so that usually means they're subtracting things rather than adding them, which is a problem for people who are super into tech.
02:32:28.000Are you complaining about the thickness of that?
02:32:30.000That could be a little bit thicker if you've got better battery life, say a better camera, right?
02:33:02.000So if you're a person who takes public transit on the subway and they got a coffee in one hand, then you can make the argument that any of these giant phones, it's difficult to interact with them one-handed.
02:33:11.000Well, then the argument is the new iPhone, the one that they've come out with, the old 4-inch one.
02:33:29.000You know, the stuff I get excited about is the innovation and sort of the people behind it, the research, development and such.
02:33:38.000And it's like any time you see a company kind of going back.
02:33:41.000But then again, I thought about it when I made a video about it.
02:33:44.000It's like, well, if you drive a Porsche, they don't look all that different.
02:33:48.000Well, not only that, a Porsche is smaller than an SUV. Like if you invented an SUV and you're like, I don't I don't want to drive an SUV. I want a little car that zips around.
02:35:42.000It used to be a quarter-inch jack like this stuff here, which could be adapted, but essentially it's been that analog connection for as long as there's been audio equipment.
02:35:52.000If the leader in the marketplace gives up on that and goes with a strictly digital connection, you can expect all the other people to follow suit because Apple just has that kind of pull.
02:36:02.000Well, they were the first ones to abandon the floppy disk.
02:37:29.000It doesn't have to be an adapter, but they could put out, just like they put out earbuds with every iPhone, they could just give you new ones that plug into there.
02:37:53.000Yeah, I know there's going to be some drawback and people are going to lose their shit and then everybody's going to buy the fucking iPhone.
02:37:58.000Well, it's so convenient that it works so seamlessly with your laptop, and Macs do make the best operating system for home computers, in my opinion.
02:38:08.000We're going to try some Windows shit out, because Razer is going to send us some laptops.
02:40:46.000But for me, it was first-person shooters.
02:40:48.000So me and my friend Lou Morton, who was a hardcore gamer, who was one of the writers for NewsRadio, and a bunch of friends that were in my Quake clan at the time, we got together with the Razor guy.
02:42:47.000The middle button would be a rail gun, and the far left button would be a rocket launcher.
02:42:51.000So if I wanted a rocket launcher, I'd hit that far button, it would come to me instantly and I could shoot it, and then the railgun would be the one that I would count on for like a long-range sniper shot.
02:43:00.000And so you have all your keys, your keys would be in front of you, WA, S, and D for movement, and then various weapon keys were just really close, like lightning gun was up here, a C, you would hit that for this and that for that, and you would configure it based on what you would like.
02:43:15.000Yeah, that was one, but that was not the one.
02:43:50.000Those people just vanish from the world.
02:43:53.000Now, what is going to happen with those people when they get a hold of something like this?
02:43:57.000This box that we have in front of us, Lewis and I were playing with this before the show, and we had the gentleman in that helped work with it.
02:44:21.000Essentially, you've got a lens in front of you in a fairly narrow field of view, but what ends up happening is you have this digital representation that's overlaid on your own physical space.
02:46:55.000There's this place in Lynn that had these black lights, and it was a warehouse, and you would run around, there was boxes and all these barriers and shit.
02:48:32.000Yeah, you can imagine if when that thing grabs hold of you, and your vest is gripping you tighter, and you're feeling the physical surroundings, that's going to hijack our sensory system big time.
02:48:44.000Sure, especially when it gets better and better, where it's more and more reactive.
02:48:48.000You can feel it in very specific areas of your body if something grabs your shoulder like a zombie.
02:48:54.000From behind, you turn, it actually has its hand on your shoulder.
02:48:58.000And the thing is, after people grow up with those kinds of experiences, how the fuck are they going to go to the movie theater and just sit there?
02:51:59.000Aerodynamic spoilers and shit like that.
02:52:01.000It looks like a regular 911. And all the aerodynamics are sort of built into the undercarriage of the car in order to keep it down at weight.
02:52:07.000And what they've done is made a very retro type experience.
02:53:29.000And so when I saw the numbers and I'm like, holy shit, like Honda only sold this number of whatever last month.
02:53:34.000Now we have this significant, we kind of have proof of concept in a different way now.
02:53:39.000Yeah, I definitely agree with you there.
02:53:42.000I think that the proven brand of Tesla has gotten people so excited about what this guy's capable of with a smaller, less expensive car that the price of entry for the Model S or whatever it is, the expensive one, was a little too much.
02:53:58.000When you come around with a $35,000 version of it, and it looks pretty dope, and it has that big laptop screen just like the other ones do, people just jumped in.
02:54:31.000Obviously, there's going to be some friction between where we're going and where we're at and how much control we're willing to give to these systems.
02:54:39.000But getting back to the pizza thing, that's a huge one.
02:54:43.000If we're willing to give up control of our vehicles, I think we're also probably willing to give up control of a lot of other things.
02:54:51.000I'm not sure if we talked about this before, but there was this really interesting...
02:54:57.000I don't know if I read it or if it was on a podcast.
02:54:59.000It was relating to Facebook in the early days and how one of the biggest issues they had was people getting tagged in photographs that didn't want to be tagged.
02:55:08.000And so they did this kind of test where they were like, well, how the hell do we allow people to get taken off the photograph without having to go to their friend and saying, I don't want to be tagged in that photograph?
02:55:19.000Because that was an embarrassing thing to do.
02:55:21.000And so what they did is they put in these stock answers that you can send off to your friend.
02:55:27.000Like, select A, B, C. Like, I don't want to be in that photo or I look stupid or whatever.
02:55:33.000And the second that they made it a multiple choice, way more people began to use it because they didn't have to come up with their own reason.
02:55:41.000They felt like it was more accessible.
02:55:47.000And many times we get overwhelmed at the prospect of having to come up with our own, I don't know, our own method for dealing with the awkwardness of life.
02:55:56.000So if you can imagine in the future, if these things, our phones and the systems we interact with...
02:56:03.000Get really smart at figuring out the correct responses for certain inquiries.
02:56:08.000Let's say a girl texts you and she's like, hey man, meet me at 8pm or call me later.
02:56:13.000What if your phone knows better than you are, than you do, at what the correct response is if you want to sleep with her later?
02:56:20.000Like, here's the 50% likelihood if you say this...
02:56:25.000But if you say that, you understand where I'm going with this?
02:56:27.000Well, sort of, but that doesn't take into account personality and the playful nature that people engage in each other and how that's attractive.
02:56:34.000It takes into account nothing of that.
02:57:47.000Like, they really didn't solve the problem.
02:57:49.000Maybe we have to figure out how to use them better.
02:57:51.000But one thing I noticed immediately on the Apple Watch when I was experimenting with it was the auto-responses.
02:57:57.000For questions, for texts, for anything.
02:57:59.000It would have five or six options for how to get back to that person.
02:58:02.000And maybe none of them are perfect, but just the easiness of it is why you want to interact with it.
02:58:08.000You're like, ah, fuck, maybe I'm not late because I'm at the grocery store, but it's easier than pulling out my phone and telling the person where I actually am.
02:58:15.000How far away do you think we are from entire conversations taking place with predetermined questions and answers?
02:59:31.000And then hyper-focusing in on the success stories.
02:59:35.000And finding the things that are universal.
02:59:38.000And ultimately what we end up finding out is that we all think we're so fucking unique, yet our behavior is the complete opposite.
02:59:44.000We all do the shit we're expected to do.
02:59:47.000So fascinating that no one saw any of this coming either like 10 years ago No one thought that that was gonna be a real issue that you're gonna have a bunch of Predetermined answers to a phone call coming in how do you respond with a text?
03:01:12.000Or are these emotions and all these things that we're clinging to, we hold on to so dearly, are they just artifacts of our ancient primate ancestors?
03:01:22.000I think the cool part of this, like the weird thing to identify is how our physiology has been kind of the system for the distribution.
03:01:32.000Like our own, we talked, we started off the podcast talking about entitled people, talking about that self-centric emerging kind of way of living.
03:01:41.000And you look at these things, that's what they needed.
03:01:43.000They needed us to develop into those people.
03:01:48.000We had to have everything we wanted to see available on a whim for us to become the person necessary to continue this distribution process.
03:06:04.000I don't know why they took that particular approach.
03:06:05.000I just think they're interesting because they're making that statement as opposed to like the flip phone marketplace, which is just like old leftover phones.
03:06:13.000I feel like you can just self-discipline.
03:07:51.000Yeah, he decided he was an addict, and he said, look, I'm not going to change it any other way.
03:07:55.000I tried to say, well, just have some discipline.
03:07:57.000Nope, not going to do it, because I'm an addict.
03:08:00.000And so he just got a flip phone, and that's all he uses.
03:08:02.000He has a flip phone that flips two ways, so you can flip it sideways and actually has a full keyboard, so he can send a reasonable text message.