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00:01:55.000That's why when you see those things in the sky, those things exist when the jet engines pass through the condensation and it changes the temperature.
00:02:04.000And then they slowly fade away or not, depending upon how much moisture is in the atmosphere.
00:02:08.000Why do some planes do it and other ones don't?
00:02:10.000Well, because some planes are at different altitudes.
00:02:13.000You know how clouds exist in some places, but they don't exist in other places?
00:05:35.000And it's beautiful there, and we've got the San Juan Islands, and you can go whale watching, and it's just gorgeous, but it rains way too much.
00:05:41.000We have a national rainforest up there, too.
00:06:03.000There's actually tumbleweeds and sand dunes and...
00:06:06.000All that, it's completely different on the other side of Washington.
00:06:09.000Moisture comes in from the ocean, hits the mountains, rolls back over, rains like double duty on the west side, and on the east side of Washington is really dry.
00:06:32.000I think if I'm not mistaken, I should probably know those things, but I don't pay attention to a lot of things, as you'll probably find out.
00:06:38.000I don't know a lot of statistics and stuff.
00:06:40.000I'm kind of like, well, it was fly by the seat of my pants, like, whatever's going on is cool, but...
00:06:45.000I think it's one of the biggest like circumference like the widest cities like not most populated but like most area in Washington anyway so on I live on the very outskirts like near Puyallup so I grew up on like five acres and like I had some land I wasn't like in the heart of it but it's a pretty cool place So going from there to living in Vegas,
00:07:03.000but I guess like as you're a professional fighter, your days are probably so filled with training and recovery and eating.
00:07:10.000Like how much time do you actually have to even be in the city that you're in?
00:07:31.000So, it's nice because everyone comes to you, essentially.
00:07:34.000You don't have to go travel to see anyone.
00:07:35.000So, if you want to just set the cup down for a minute and, like, take a break from the train game, I want to go ride the, you know, the big Ferris wheel that they have there.
00:08:11.000There's a lot of great training there.
00:08:13.000Across the board, strength and conditioning, Muay Thai, boxing.
00:08:16.000Well, and it's the home of the UFC, so it's nice there, too, because there's a lot of extracurricular things that I get to take part of because I'm local.
00:08:24.000I get to do a lot more charity things with the Boys and Girls Club.
00:08:28.000Just going and being a part of the UFC, I guess.
00:09:39.000Then I felt like the carpet was kind of just pulled out from under my feet because they were like, just kidding, Holly's fighting and they announced it without telling me.
00:09:47.000So that's why I was so upset because I was like, I don't take this shit lightly.
00:10:43.000Like, the whole Conor McGregor situation is a perfect example of that.
00:10:45.000Like, all of a sudden, if he had beaten Nate Diaz, or if he had beaten Dos Anjos, like, if Dos Anjos didn't get injured and he beat Dos Anjos, you fucking know for sure they were going to have him fight Robbie Lawler.
00:12:07.000I don't know, because they think that I turned it down or I should have went in there like guns a-blazing for Hawley and put myself out of my shield.
00:12:14.000Like, no, we have to have the Hawley rematch, you guys.
00:15:13.000Brian's lost so much weight on this diet.
00:15:15.000His camp before that was a struggle to get the weight down because he's really big for 135. He gets up to like 165. He can get up to 170-ish.
00:15:24.000Yeah, I remember when he was making the cut the first time.
00:16:25.000If you go to Whole Foods and you go to the cheese section, they have these little packages of moussed liver and they have different flavors.
00:17:08.000Beet juice also mimics things like the endurance properties of things like certain mushrooms.
00:17:15.000If you take beets, like Rich Roll, who is an endurance athlete, was saying that he found significant advantages in taking beet juice and that blending beets in a kale shake or something along those lines really gave him an extra boost in training.
00:17:33.000Yeah, this is a little company called Love Beets.
00:18:46.000If it's cold, you don't taste the plastic as much.
00:18:48.000So they sell it to you cold or you put it in the fridge and you drink your water bottle and you don't really taste it as much.
00:18:52.000But if you let it get to room temperature, just buying it from the store, probably you'll taste some plastic.
00:18:57.000I wonder if anybody's ever done any studies where they've taken just arrowhead water and, you know, Fiji water from a shelf and just tested it and see how much funky shit is in the actual water itself.
00:23:22.000That's my disgusting stinky cheese story.
00:23:25.000It was in France, the first time I went to Paris.
00:23:27.000It was over Valentine's Day and Brian and I were on this really beautiful dinner boat thing and they bring out all this food and we're eating foie gras and whatever.
00:24:04.000It smelled like someone ran over roadkill and then they like, then they served it up like two weeks later after it had been like in a steamy song.
00:24:50.000I'm sure you could get through it and then after it was over, you'd probably blank out that section of your mind that deals with that and just go into the zone, throw it in, and then you're like, am I good?
00:29:30.000So is it like an overdose of fish because everybody's up there eating fish all the time?
00:29:34.000No, because he lived in the central Washington area, right on the other side of the mountain, so it's a little more greeny and dry and a little bit farther away from the water.
00:29:45.000This is what I was going to get back to, is that crab that we caught that day and killed and boiled, and we had this sweet butter to dip it with.
00:30:36.000It's interesting how good they taste when you consider what they do.
00:30:39.000They just basically eat rotten things that sharks leave behind, other fish leave behind.
00:30:43.000I mean, they're just the cleanup crew.
00:30:45.000Yeah, we're like, gotta be grass-fed beef, but we can eat shit-eating crabs.
00:30:53.000Now, that's so crazy that Brian doesn't eat any seafood, because I would imagine that, especially considering that he cuts so much weight, that would be a good source of lean protein.
00:32:56.000All three at the same time because my immune system was down from the chicken pox and then I caught that and then I caught hepatitis B. And, um, yeah.
00:33:04.000So, so my parents took me obviously to the hospital and, um, they couldn't, they, they had a phobia of needles for a while too.
00:33:33.000But I'd just see lights and I'd see people holding me down and they'd be trying to stick needles in the top of my hand, in my ankles, in the tops of my feet, behind my knees.
00:33:42.000And they'd just hold me down trying to get fluids in me because I couldn't keep anything down.
00:33:47.000And so finally it was so bad that they told my mom to call if she's religious to call her pastor and have him come.
00:33:55.000So they brought me in to give me a spinal tap.
00:33:58.000It was the most painful thing I've ever experienced in my life.
00:34:02.000Because I take fluid out and epidurals like I hear really painful too, but it's an injection as opposed to like removing the fluid, which is more painful.
00:34:15.000Anyways, back to the chocolate part of it, before I went to the hospital, I was running such a bad fever and I was throwing up and my mom thought, you know, let's give her ice cream.
00:34:25.000And she had like some Neapolitan ice cream downstairs.
00:35:51.000Because my mom told me, she called the hospital and asked them, like, my daughter has chickenpox, what should I, you know, what should I give them, give her whatever.
00:36:00.000And they're like, oh, just give her aspirin.
00:36:02.000You know, give her some aspirin to help her with that.
00:39:49.000Yeah, I don't think you could break a coconut with your hand.
00:39:51.000No, and it was funny because he had like a news crew there and he had like 20 coconuts set out on like this bar and he starts just hacking at one, hacking at one, hacking at one.
00:40:49.000So, yes, the mind is a very powerful thing.
00:40:52.000Well, there's a gang of videos of these guys that are doing those chi things on people, and then their students fall to the ground and start twitching, and there's a great one where this guy in Harlem had this, like, kung fu school, and he had all these students, and he's,
00:41:09.000Literally, like, Dragon Ball Z-type shit on them, like, and they would fall to the ground and start twitching and spasming, and it's like really shitty acting.
00:41:41.000And they bow and all this stuff and they really believe that their instructor cannot do any harm.
00:41:45.000There's like a lot of good in that because it makes you like have this really intense desire to succeed and this intense belief in yourself but...
00:41:55.000It's not realistic, obviously, in a lot of traditional martial arts.
00:41:58.000And until the UFC came around, we didn't really know how unrealistic it was.
00:42:02.000But if you remember Pat Smith when he fought that ninja guy in UFC 1 or 2?
00:42:07.000I think it was UFC 2. I don't remember which one it was.
00:42:19.000Throwing all these techniques around and flipping people to the ground and grabbing their neck and fucking karate chopping the top of their head and they'd fall to the ground.
00:43:08.000Pat Smith walks off and the fight's not done because he's a kind man for walking off because the referee is saying the fight's still going on.
00:47:31.000Or at night, you know, that's kind of a state of an awake hypnosis and that you can kind of go in and out of those yourself.
00:47:36.000You do all the time during the day, but a hypnotist can kind of guide you into that and then plant certain good seeds, you know, I guess or bad seeds if they wanted to, you know, but I always thought of that too, like a kooky guy who's going to like make you do dumb shit while you don't know what you're doing.
00:47:52.000But that kind of was fascinating to me because he talks about how he helps people who have like phobias, for instance, someone who has a phobia of a dog.
00:47:59.000He's like, so fear is like one dog, this dog bit you when you were a child, you're scared of that dog.
00:48:05.000Phobia is this dog bit you and you're scared of all dogs now.
00:48:09.000Some people are so terrified they get these phobias they can't even leave their house.
00:48:12.000They're so scared of their neighbor's dog walking by and that's going to jump out of anywhere and bite them.
00:48:17.000So they're crippled by these fears and he could put them in a hypnotic state and kind of Go back and remove that fear, essentially.
00:48:41.000Like, there was a guy named Frank Santos, who was a big comedy hypnotist guy in Boston, and his son still does it, Frank Santos Jr. But Frank Santos would do this show, weekly show at Stitches, and all these comedians, we would come from, like, all over the town to watch this because we couldn't believe it.
00:48:56.000We'd be like, how the fuck is he doing this?
00:48:58.000And he would get people, and he would know when they were under and when they weren't under.
00:49:01.000Like, he would know when people were faking it and when they weren't, and he would get them off the stage when they were faking it.
00:49:05.000But the people that we're really under, you could see they just were baffled.
00:49:10.000And he couldn't explain why it would work on some people and why it wouldn't work on others.
00:51:10.000It's super, super important to achieve wokeness.
00:51:13.000Yeah, I mean, the mind is a really fascinating thing.
00:51:17.000And I think that, especially for fighters, I would have to say that it's just one of the most important aspects of your ability to perform.
00:51:35.000I mean, that is the craziest moment in all of sports.
00:51:38.000There's no moment like that where you, I mean, think about like a basketball player.
00:51:43.000Basketball players, even if there's a lot of pressure for a three-point shot, if you miss that three-point shot, you're gonna get another shot.
00:51:49.000Somewhere in the game, someone's gonna hand you the ball, luckily.
00:51:51.000Or, if not, someone's gonna hand you the ball tomorrow.
00:51:53.000Or someone will hand you the ball next week.
00:53:54.000I remember a couple times I tried to maybe come forward and get her to the fence, and I couldn't tell whether she was going to jet out to the right or the left.
00:54:01.000Like, she was just, like, two steps back, left.
00:55:28.000You were likely down by like at least one round and you were headed into the fifth and final round and maybe if you won that round you could have got the decision but fuck you're fighting the champ.
00:55:39.000You take her back, and then when she tries to shake you off the top, and you hang in there, and you hang in there, and you see her, and I watch her, I'm like, oh my god, she's gonna go out.
00:55:48.000And when she went out, and you climbed off her, and she was unconscious, like, holy shit!
00:55:58.000It was one of the best moments in all of women's championship fighting as far as like an extremely dramatic moment where you're trying to accomplish something.
00:56:54.000And then I felt her like, and I saw her, you know, from my peripherals kind of do something.
00:56:58.000I wasn't quite sure if she was tapping or what she was doing until I watched the video later.
00:57:02.000And then I felt him pull me off and I'm like, that's the feeling that we fight for, is that feeling, that feeling of like, I did it, I established my dominance.
00:59:15.000There wasn't mistakes that she was making.
00:59:17.000And then in the fifth round, I just decided, you know, you're gonna have to take the chance of getting knocked out.
00:59:24.000This is what it's boiling down to now.
00:59:26.000You've got like three minutes left on the clock, and now it's do or die.
00:59:30.000It's either you go for it, you do rush in, she catches you, you get knocked out, you know you gave it everything you got, or you gotta make something happen.
00:59:51.000But what I meant was the question watching it was like, when you were headed into the fifth round, what my question was was, I wonder if she got a 10-8 round for that second round.
01:00:01.000Because if she did, then this is an even fight.
01:00:24.000Well, it's so hard to explain to someone when you're there and you get to see someone like you who's worked so hard for something for so long.
01:00:56.000You talk about the mind and the power of it.
01:00:58.000I had visualized that moment so many times that I felt like I was confused and that it was hard for me to distinguish that that was the real moment.
01:01:50.000I mean, anyone that watches that sport, that moment when you choked her out, and the whole exchange of the – even like that, really, the whole fight.
01:02:00.000Because a fight is like, I mean, in a weird way.
01:02:25.000On top of this being a competition, to watch it...
01:02:28.000Someone sitting there watching it and calling it.
01:02:30.000I mean this is a work of art and To have it in that way is such a masterful performance It was such a masterpiece moment and it to me is like one of the best moments in MMA Because it's such a fucking hard thing to achieve to become a champion and for someone like you had tried and tried again You won the title in strike force.
01:02:50.000Yeah, you're trying and trying again trying to make this happen and And, you know, you think you're getting boxed out, and then the Ronda fight didn't happen after you beat Jessica Ai, and then all of a sudden you have this opportunity, and it comes together in one of the most powerful ways we've ever seen inside the Octagon.
01:04:59.000Yeah, it was just something that I was doing to make me feel accomplished.
01:05:04.000You can't put a price on how something makes you feel, you know, a memory, an experience, happiness, you know, those emotions, you know, people say, you know, like, the day that they got married, the day that they had their kid, the day, you know, those are like mile markers in people's lives.
01:05:19.000Like, I guess if you ask someone on their deathbed, what were the moments that made you feel alive?
01:07:34.000And then, um, I remember I was like riding back and there was like big rocks and like boulders and, and my dad and his buddy have, have had downhill mountain bikes made for, I'm riding like a little street bikes, but they're, they're expecting that I'm just going to be able to like, I'll just carry it down the hill or whatever.
01:07:48.000I try to bomb down the same rock hill as them.
01:07:53.000I still have scars on my elbow actually here from, from when I, uh, when I fell and And I just got up and my dad says, this is like one of the moments I realized you were different.
01:08:03.000He's like, you just popped up and you're like, brushed your elbows off, you got back on your bike, bombed down the rest of the hill and beat all of us home.
01:08:46.000How that can create crippling ripple effects that translate on all the way through the rest of that person's life.
01:08:52.000And I said, well, what if it's the opposite?
01:08:54.000Like, what if you had a parent that was telling you that you're amazing all the time, that you could do whatever you want, and they really true-heartedly believe in you?
01:09:01.000He's like, oh yeah, that can be amazing, you know, amazing too.
01:09:04.000And it made me start thinking, because my mom and I, we've had a really rough relationship the past Three, four years or so, maybe longer.
01:09:15.000But I will give her a ton of credit that as a single mom for part of my life growing up and even not single, she never made me feel like I wasn't capable of doing anything.
01:09:28.000If anything, she always made me feel like I could be and do whatever I want and I could be the best at it.
01:09:34.000Most people when I was 5, 6, 7, 8 years old, I want to be an astronaut.
01:09:40.000Every little kid, they're like, yeah, yeah.
01:09:42.000Or my grandpa was the first one to be like, that's not realistic.
01:10:34.000And it's one of the reasons why people love her so much is she gets so fucking crazy.
01:10:39.000And she's so competitive and angry that when you guys did that wall climbing thing and she's like, fuck you, and she's giving you the finger, you're level.
01:13:28.000I used to have issues with anxiety a little bit when I was in high school and I would have my track meets and something and I would have anxiety attacks.
01:13:35.000I actually used to have a problem with it.
01:13:37.000And I guess I've always been a very open-minded person and I always ask myself questions whenever there's something wrong with myself or an issue that I'm having.
01:15:24.000And to come back from something like that and think that you can still get it back or you can still do it again or you can still get better, you can learn from that, that's also the challenging part of it.
01:15:35.000And that's something that I've had to to get to this point.
01:15:39.000I've had to get over those situations where I thought...
01:17:23.000Big mistake because these little pipsqueaks, they got on the microphone and were like, so Daniel Cormier, I just want to say I have a really important question for you.
01:17:34.000How's it going to feel when Jon Jones kicks your ass again?
01:17:40.000You wouldn't have the balls to say that if it was just you and Daniel in this room and no one was going to know the outcome of what happened after you said that.
01:17:48.000Well, the fact that people feel so safe that they can say something like that to a killer like Daniel Cormier.
01:17:59.000And this guy comes up to him with a picture of, you know, there's an iconic photo of when Liotto knocked him out where he's like kind of crumpled up against the cage.
01:20:10.000Well, here's a guy who destroys Anderson Silva, beats the fuck out of Lyoto Machida, Vitor Belfort smashes him in the first round.
01:20:17.000You know, you watch his fights and you just go, okay, like, what is this Rockhold fight going to play off like?
01:20:23.000And then when Rockhole beats him and beats him down the way he did and destroys him, you're like, oh, we're changing of the guard here.
01:20:30.000These moments, these pivotal moments of your whole life changes.
01:20:34.000You go from being Chris Weidman, UFC middleweight champion of the world, one of the best fighters on the planet, to Chris Weidman, former UFC middleweight champion of the world, now hoping he gets a shot at his title in a rematch.
01:20:47.000And now that he's got it, and it's going to happen soon, it's like, whoa, the drama and the build-up, like, I can't imagine being him right now.
01:20:55.000Like, the tension that he's under right now, and the pressure, and how much emotional connection he has towards this attempt to win his title back, and how intense it's going to be once they get in there.
01:21:56.000I saw Holly once since the fight and I was really actually kind of nervous about it because I was like, she was at the Jones OSP fight that just happened.
01:22:07.000And we were both at the VIP party and my friend Heather Clark used to train.
01:22:12.000Heather Jo Clark, she's actually fighting this weekend in Rotterdam.
01:22:15.000Anyways, she was like, you should go and talk to her.
01:28:39.000But, like, it was just frustrating because it was like, dang, you know, if I had known about this, I could have planned my training otherwise.
01:28:44.000But now I kind of have to, like, scramble to get my second workout in.
01:32:13.000But my mind frame is like when push comes to shove, when fight time comes, whether it's two in the morning my time or not, like I'm going to be game.
01:33:11.000And after my fight with Holly, I got to spend a little time in Australia, and then I went straight from Australia to New York, spent a day there, did a full day of media, went to Connecticut to ESPN, did a full day of media, went to Toronto, did a full day of media.
01:34:40.000I mean, it was going to be a difficult time just trying to find the moments to train and to stay in shape and then obviously being exhausted from flying and all that jazz.
01:34:49.000I think it was a quick turnaround, too.
01:34:53.000I don't think he was supposed to be there for more than two days.
01:34:55.000I honestly think he's better off not doing it.
01:34:58.000I honestly think he's better off sequestering himself for a few months, really focusing on what went wrong, how to correct it, and can you correct it?
01:35:07.000When it comes to the ground game, What I saw on the ground, I was like, boy, this is a long road.
01:35:15.000Like, you've got a long road to beat a guy like Nate.
01:37:23.000And you are not perfect at all these other aspects of MMA. So if you are not perfect at all these other aspects of MMA, you have to say, okay, how much of this stuff is going to help me?
01:37:33.000Well, a guy like George St. Pierre, he looked at gymnastics and he's like, you know what's going to help me?
01:37:38.000If I can be stronger physically, and there's no better way, I think, as far as manipulating your body than gymnastics, like doing the rings and developing...
01:37:49.000You're learning how to manipulate your body in all kinds of contorted positions and being upside down and understanding where you are when you're upside down and where you're going to be with the momentum you have.
01:38:00.000Your math is doing constant algorithms and math equations, essentially, when you're fighting, too.
01:38:05.000You know, weight distribution, where are we at?
01:38:07.000Especially when you tie up with someone else and you have to feel their weight and you have to manipulate it in a way to get it where you want, whether it's against the cage or whether it's on the ground.
01:40:07.000That he never is over himself and his weight distribution.
01:40:10.000Isn't it the case that whenever someone loses, though, everyone always second guesses what they were doing?
01:40:15.000Even if what they were doing was getting them to be like 16-0, totally undefeated world champion.
01:40:21.000When you make a mistake or something goes wrong or something goes right for your opponent, we should probably say, immediately people start questioning everything you did.
01:40:45.000Well, that's also the Ronda criticism in the Holly Holm fight.
01:40:47.000Everybody was like looking at her like a dominating Betch Cohea with stand-up, you know, beating Sarah McMahon the way she did, Alexis Davis beating her down the way she did.
01:40:57.000And you go, well, look, Ronda obviously is getting so good at striking.
01:41:01.000She's such an elite athlete that she can do what she's doing to anybody.
01:41:05.000And then her trainer saying that she could go box women professionals and knock them out.
01:41:09.000And so you get this thing in your head that you can do what you have been doing.
01:41:15.000And then you fight someone like Holly and you go, oh, well, okay.
01:43:24.000A lot of sports can translate well into mixed martial arts.
01:43:26.000I happen to think wrestling is one of the best translations, you know, as opposed to like someone typically boxers coming into the sport don't typically transition as well.
01:43:35.000Kickboxers, you know, because they have so much more to learn.
01:43:38.000I feel like the fundamentals of wrestling kind of...
01:43:39.000They encompass a lot of what you need in MMA. And if you're the better wrestler, you can decide, do I want to stay on the feet or do I want to take it to the ground?
01:43:49.000So with that being said, I think I learned how to use the pieces that work for wrestling in MMA and take out the ones that don't.
01:43:58.000Because there's a lot of stuff in wrestling or any other sport that you're going to bring over that doesn't work for MMA. Because MMA is a sport of its own.
01:44:05.000And I think maybe McMahon, she's such an elite level wrestler that she's so ingrained with just wrestle, wrestle, wrestle, wrestle, that it's hard sometimes with the more elite you are at something to water it down again.
01:44:18.000Essentially, that's kind of what you have to do.
01:44:20.000You have to take pieces out for mixed martial arts.
01:44:22.000There's some things that you don't want to do because, oh, you get choked if you do that.
01:44:37.000You've got to keep your chin tucked and then you've got to hand fight.
01:44:39.000So there's things that you have to relearn.
01:44:41.000And I think when you're such an elite, elitist at something, sometimes it's hard to relearn those.
01:44:47.000That's a very good point and I think you could also use that same point when you're talking about strikers learning takedown defense and that like a lot of strikers like to stand up really straight and you know as soon as they get involved in exchanges with people they fall into their old striking ways and that's when I got like George St. Pierre who was so good at being unpredictable like you never knew if he was gonna take you down if he's gonna stand with you.
01:45:08.000One of the most flawless fighters when you say as far as like a game plan sticking a game plan being disciplined never getting emotional never getting away from the game plan Well, in his prime, when you look at during his run, and no one keeps a run up forever, but during his run, I mean, he beat everybody they put in front of him,
01:45:25.000and he fought in some incredible fights where he fought some really, really dangerous, difficult guys and managed his way through the water to victory.
01:45:34.000And that's all you could ever expect from a champion.
01:46:01.000There's this mentality that some fans want where they want a guy who wants to bite down his mouthpiece and just swing away and like, come on, Seven, and hope for the best.
01:46:13.000People, I think, sometimes tend to enjoy the excitement of amateur fights more because they're more chaotic.
01:46:20.000People don't know what they're doing, so it's just like, stick two people in there that kind of know how to throw punches and maybe kind of know how to wrestle.
01:46:27.000And they just go balls to the wall because that's all that they know that they're confident in.
01:46:31.000It's like, just go as hard as you can.
01:46:32.000It's also like a really good debate between two very articulate and very intelligent people.
01:46:38.000No one is going to get the real upper hand real quick.
01:46:41.000There's going to be points and counterpoints.
01:46:45.000Both guys are going to be very well prepared.
01:46:47.000Both women are going to be very well prepared.
01:46:49.000You're not going to get a very clear winner right away unless something crazy happens like Aldo and McGregor.
01:46:56.000Like Aldo's just so mad at McGregor from all this fucking shit talking he's been doing for months and months and months that he just runs at him and gets clipped.
01:47:40.000Or if someone puts a seed in there and like Connor, I just think that he was so good at the mental warfare and Josie never had to deal with that.
01:48:36.000There's a good saying about training smarter and not harder sometimes, or working, you know, usually it's working, but same thing goes for training.
01:48:45.000Overtraining is a big thing in this sport.
01:48:47.000Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up, because I wanted to talk to you about that, because you had mentioned that in the Holly fight, that you had made sure, you know, when you're training for a five-round fight in particular, how do you make sure that you're at peak performance level, but you're not overtraining?
01:49:02.000Well, you know, I think a lot of it depends on athlete input.
01:49:06.000Someone can design a program, but if you show up one day and you're supposed to be pushing sleds, you know, or do something heavy and hard, and you're like, I'm exhausted, then they're like, okay, we need to dial it back.
01:49:20.000Yeah, I wear like a polar heart rate monitor.
01:49:23.000Do you take it in the morning when you wake up?
01:49:24.000Yeah, I do the HRV and see where I'm at.
01:49:27.000What's an HRV? The heart rate variable.
01:49:29.000So basically it tells you how your heart is recovering.
01:49:34.000So when you first wake up in the morning, from my understanding, the more that your heart is kind of like irregular, maybe for a better sense of terms, means that it's responding to things quickly.
01:49:44.000If it's kind of sluggish and it's kind of like not really...
01:49:48.000Not really reading that kind of quick reaction, then you're tired.
01:51:18.000It typically has a lot of really tough people who don't like to ever think, you know, they're just in that work hard mentality because we're fighters.
01:52:01.000So let's just, if you don't feel like sparring today, we'll spar tomorrow.
01:52:05.000Well, that's one of the things that I think really does trip up a lot of fighters is that they're so tough and they figure out how to push through injuries.
01:52:13.000They figure out how to force themselves through situations, but then they get these...
01:52:20.000These damage to their joints or damage to their back, and a lot of it comes from not recognizing the difference between an actual injury and pain.
01:52:30.000Just a little bit of discomfort and pain is normal.
01:52:34.000Everybody who does martial arts experiences that, but for someone like a Cain Velasquez, It almost becomes like a detriment, because he's such a fucking gorilla, and he just knows how to push through everything, that he blows everything out.
01:52:46.000He blows his shoulder out, and then he blows the other shoulder out, and he blows his knees out, and he blows his back out.
01:52:51.000I mean, in my opinion, when he was at his best, he's the greatest of all time.
01:53:01.000Always has to have an asterisk because he was fighting in pride and it was, you know, the steroid era.
01:53:08.000You could do whatever the fuck you want.
01:53:09.000Not saying even that he was on it, but who the fuck knows.
01:53:12.000But that I don't think the guys that he fought, even though he looked amazing against them, I don't think Hongman Choi is at the same level as like...
01:53:22.000Junior Dos Santos, when Junior Dos Santos was at his best, when Kane fought him.
01:53:45.000Because you see people go, you know, whether it's a three-round fight or a five-round fight, sometimes you'll see people gas out like a round and a half.
01:54:00.000Sometimes I will go, like a fight week, and I'll be in the workout, you know, the mat room that they have in the hotel, and sometimes I'll see these guys in there, and they're just going.
01:54:51.000Well, you know, but he was, you know, he was a high-level athlete for a long time, and he knew how to harness what, and, you know, it's not saying that it can't work, but...
01:55:02.000I still think that there's something to be said about preserving the longevity of your career.
01:55:06.000You might not be able to do that as long.
01:55:09.000Well, with a guy like Matt Hughes, it's so hard to say that now because he was such a pioneer.
01:55:16.000I mean, he was at the early, early days of the UFC and was one of the great champions and One of the greatest champions ever.
01:55:23.000And when you look at his title run and his reign of the 170-pound division during his heyday, this guy sort of paved the way in a lot of ways, especially for a wrestler that developed some really good submission skills.
01:55:38.000I mean, he's got some excellent submission victories, including that armbar that he submitted George St. Pierre with.
01:55:44.000I mean, he had some really good submission skills for a wrestler.
01:59:50.000But he'll be sitting there and he'll hold it.
01:59:53.000And he can do that without pulling on it.
01:59:56.000Like, he doesn't have to have arms that pull his legs in these positions.
02:00:00.000So he could just, like, tuck his legs into places, and all of a sudden you're, like, locked up in a go-go plot, and you don't even know how the fuck he got his leg there.
02:01:22.000Have you ever seen this thing that ballerinas use?
02:01:25.000And this is, I think it's a new device, but it's like you slide your foot into like this, it seems like a rubber sheath.
02:01:33.000It's like there's a flat board and And there's like this rubber sheath and you slide your foot into.
02:01:38.000And you do these exercises with your foot.
02:01:41.000And somebody put it up on one of the jiu-jitsu pages that I follow on Instagram.
02:01:45.000And they were like, this is like the best way to prevent foot locks.
02:01:49.000Because it just strengthens it somehow?
02:01:51.000It strengthens it and stretches it to the point where, you know, if someone gets you into a footlock and they're pushing down, like a toehold, and as they're pushing down on your foot, it's the hyperextending of the ankle that gets you to tap because you're like, oh, I think something's going to tear, and then people tap.
02:02:06.000And this gets your foot into this flexible position where you kind of strengthen and make it so flexible that you can't get tapped in certain ways.
02:02:45.000I knew this girl who was a ballerina and she had to have her feet fixed because she had smashed her toes for so long doing point and trying to stand on her toes that she had these scars over the top of her feet where she had to get her toes realigned and get her ligaments repaired.
02:03:05.000Ballet is a hard, hard sport from my understanding.
02:04:02.000Yeah, I think it used to be like 110. My mom's best friend growing up, she was Vietnamese, and they had a rule, but she was half Vietnamese.
02:04:13.000So the Vietnamese side of her family, so she was a little bit bigger bone, gorgeous, beautiful, exotic, green eyes, dark black hair, half Vietnamese, really, really pretty.
02:04:23.000And her family was so hard on her because she weighed over 100 pounds.
02:16:12.000If you're a girl in high school, that's the last way that you want someone to pin you.
02:16:16.000So basically, they lay straight on top of you in a starfish position and they wrap both of your arms with their arms and wrap their legs with your legs so that you're just starfished out on your back.
02:16:30.000And, like, I was like, what an asshole.
02:18:16.000But even in freestyle, remember when Mark Schultz fought in the Olympics and ripped that guy's arm apart and got him in a Kimura and sort of tossed him with a Kimura and just yanked his arm backwards?
02:18:55.000It's supposed to be like that you can control their body with your weight on top of them, not necessarily like contort their joint in the wrong direction so that, you know, that's jujitsu.
02:21:59.000Well, in those situations, I had a buddy of mine who was a jiu-jitsu black belt, really high-level jiu-jitsu guy, and he was taking an MMA fight.
02:22:08.000And we had a conversation about it before, and I was going, well, how much striking are you doing?
02:22:14.000And he's like, once a week, I get together and I do this.
02:25:00.000And I'm watching this pool of blood and there's a steady stream, like not even dripping, like it's just pouring out of my nose and this pool of blood is getting bigger and bigger and bigger and she's still trying to choke me and punch me and I'm thinking like, this bitch.
02:25:59.000So I like started bugging her and she fell down into the guard position and I stood up above her and I reached to the ceiling as high as I could.
02:26:07.000And I just started raining down punches from the standing position.
02:26:19.000She's kind of, like, wincing, like, trying to weather the storm.
02:26:21.000And that's how the second round ended.
02:26:24.000And then I went back to my corner and, like, the head coach was like, we can't let you go back out for the third round because your nose is just so, like, we don't know how bad it is.
02:26:33.000And I was super bummed because that was the turning point in the fight for me.
02:26:36.000That's when it actually became a fight.
02:27:22.000And then over the next night, I could barely even open my eyes and I had two giant black raccoon eyes.
02:27:30.000So it was like, there's no hiding it, like, and you gotta look your grandpa straight in the face, and he's like, tsk, tsk, I told you, you know, and you're just like, motherfucker.
02:28:22.000I've got to prove that I can do better than that.
02:28:24.000I was like, it was too embarrassing, you know, to have to face everyone that was telling me, like, I shouldn't be doing that.
02:28:29.000And you know what everyone says to you, like, before you, like, at least back then, everyone would say to me, don't break your nose.
02:28:40.000That was, like, my pre, like, good luck, you know, like, people say, like, oh, go kill it in that meeting, break a leg, you know, people were, like, the other way, like, well, you know, good luck in your fight, don't break your nose.
02:32:23.000Nick Diaz had his bones shaved down and he had scar tissue removed.
02:32:26.000But with Vandele, he probably had that done too, but he had a bunch of scar tissue removed because he had so much scar tissue that his eyes were drooping severely and his nose was flat.
02:32:40.000So he had a piece of cartilage removed from his rib and then they redid his nose and he had his nose made big so that he could breathe out of it better.
02:32:50.000And this is while he was still fighting?
02:32:52.000Don't you remember when he fought in the UFC, he looked one way when he fought Chuck, and then he looked like a completely different person.
02:33:00.000I guess I didn't even notice the nose because I was so focused on the bone structure.
02:34:23.000So to have this one time where he ran away from a drug test and to say that he's banned for life, it's ridiculous.
02:34:30.000It's just a total abuse of power and a really callous abuse by these people that are a part of the commission because they are responsible for this guy's livelihood and they just decided to treat him as an example and not respect him.
02:35:39.000It's so weird, too, because the TRT thing, which was around for quite a few years, and you saw the rejuvenation of Vitor and Dan Henderson, these guys that were on TRT, that all of a sudden started doing really well again.
02:35:52.000It's such a gray area, and then that gets removed, and then everybody's got to go back to your normal hormone secretion.
02:39:15.000And I understand that you want people to be within a certain weight of each other, but then the problem is there's no way to really monitor that.
02:39:25.000You know, like some people blow up between their camps and other people don't.
02:39:29.000You know, and how do you, yeah, like you said, how do you really regulate?
02:39:33.000Like, what if I said, you know, I walk around at 147 and Holly's like, well, you know, I walk around at 162. Then you're like, well, then you can't fight each other.
02:39:41.000But it's like, she's like, well, when I diet and I do this and I come down, I can make the same weight as Misha.
02:40:14.000I think we need to measure the amount of hydration that's in the body.
02:40:18.000Then what you do is what they instilled in the wrestling programs in high schools.
02:40:22.000Essentially they weigh you, but you also have to pee into a cup and you have to be a certain amount hydrated.
02:40:28.000And then they tell you you can't go below a certain weight because that would mean you're dehydrating yourself.
02:40:35.000That's definitely a smart safety move.
02:40:37.000So we can weigh in on a scale, and then also you have to test the hydration of your urine.
02:40:42.000That would be really the only way to ensure people are not dehydrating themselves to make a weight.
02:40:49.000Otherwise, you do have to be the same weight, though.
02:40:51.000To be fair, to have a 135-pound title...
02:40:57.000It should probably be a diet thing more than a dehydration thing.
02:41:03.000It's such a dangerous sport already, and to add this extremely dangerous weight cutting aspect to it, like the guy in Brazil who died last year from weight cutting, that can happen.
02:41:13.000It's happened in high school wrestling, it's happened in college wrestling, and it's happened in MMA a few times now.
02:41:21.000And the IV ban, from my understanding, it's kind of silly because they say, like, well, you know, because it can mask, like, what is it, EPO or something?
02:41:36.000So from my understanding, what I understand is that cyclists used to use it, like, right before they knew that the person was going to come and test them, they would hyperhydrate their blood so that it would look like it was a normal...
02:42:17.000And I feel like maybe if they were going to ban it, maybe they could do it under like a medical, like if you need an IV afterwards and like you have to go to the hospital and get one administered or something like that.
02:42:25.000There could be a way around it because the thing about cyclists and other sports that they banned it and then they just transferred it over to MMA, it doesn't add up because we do cut weight.
02:42:36.000Because I'm not taking that into account.
02:42:38.000The only thing that I would say is that what they're doing by the IV ban is keeping...
02:42:43.000They're checking plastics, that plastic residue that comes from the tubes in your body, and that could be from blood doping.
02:42:52.000So blood doping could be one way that you could have an advantage, an illegal advantage over your opponent, and they could eliminate blood doping by eliminating IVs because the small trace amount of plastic Plastics that show up in your blood from use of an IV in the bag and the tube and all that stuff.
02:43:10.000You could actually use that with blood and gain an endurance advantage over your opponent.
02:43:15.000Wait, you're saying by using the IV and putting like injecting like an EPO? Is that what you're saying?
02:43:28.000You weigh in, and then once you weigh in, then they reintroduce that blood back in your body of much more blood because your body's replenished the blood that was missing.
02:43:37.000Now you all of a sudden have a massive endurance advantage.
02:44:46.000Well, I thought, because I didn't think about that, but I thought EPO is, it's like you can tell when it's, I guess, like the color of the blood or something is a little bit different when it's, or when you have EPO in your system, like they can tell if it's fake.
02:44:56.000Well, they didn't used to be able to test for it.
02:45:30.000Well, there's going to be a lot of moves and counter moves.
02:45:36.000Novitski was saying that they figured out a way to make testosterone out of animals.
02:45:40.000They're taking testosterone from animals.
02:45:42.000It's indistinguishable from the bio-testosterone that your actual body produces versus the stuff they make now, which they make in some sort of a laboratory environment with wild yams.
02:45:57.000That's one of the reasons why a carbon isotope test can differentiate between exogenous testosterone and testosterone that's naturally produced by the body.
02:49:23.000It's weird that technically I've been doing this for 10 years, but I still feel like I have so much to learn and so much to offer.
02:49:30.000And I feel like I'm learning so quickly.
02:49:33.000Man, you know, I talk about the law of diminishing return and all that.
02:49:36.000I don't feel like that applies to me for some reason.
02:49:38.000Like, I still feel like I'm just evolving so quickly and so rapidly, especially with my striking, because it wasn't something I ever focused on before.
02:49:50.000Um, I started focusing on it more right before I fought Ronda, focusing on it.
02:49:57.000But I moved my camp to Las Vegas, like halfway through that training camp, which was, it needed to happen, but it was bad timing in that I'm just, I'm getting like a couple new coaches and we don't have the lingo down yet.
02:50:11.000And it's like a language you learn between your coaches.
02:50:31.000You know, and he's helped me tremendously and focused more on my strength and conditioning, actually making a regiment and doing all the things that I guess you're supposed to do as a professional athlete.
02:50:41.000Because before what I was doing just was kind of, I was a little bit ignorant and, you know, I worked hard, but worked harder, not smarter kind of a thing.
02:50:49.000Now I have people back me up, you know, a nutritionist, I have a sports doctor, I have a strength coach, I have a striking coach, I have a, you know, two MMA coaches and I'm a wrestling coach and I've got it all.
02:51:00.000And I feel like I finally figured it out.
02:51:01.000I finally have a good gym where I'm at and everything too.
02:51:04.000Well, that's where it all comes together, right?
02:51:06.000It's when your dedication matches your talent, matches your focus and your desire, and it all comes together.
02:51:12.000And now, as a champion, do you have more confidence now being a champion?
02:53:16.000There's not that many girls in our division that are that well-rounded.
02:53:19.000So she doesn't have a lot of holes in her game besides seeming to hit a wall sometimes in a fight.
02:53:25.000Yeah, and I think with her, one of the things that I said about Holly in the Ronda fight is you look at how accomplished Holly is outside of the UFC and you wait.
02:53:36.000Until the moment when she could put it all together inside the octagon.
02:53:38.000And she might put it all together inside the octagon when the moment is the biggest.
02:56:28.000Most people didn't think I was going to beat Holly.
02:56:31.000Most people didn't think Holly was going to beat Rhonda.
02:56:32.000It doesn't matter to me what other people think.
02:56:34.000It matters what I believe and what I know.
02:56:37.000And the question mark is, how is Rhonda going to come back from this?
02:56:42.000I know what I've been hearing from Rhonda in the media and the press.
02:56:47.000She's been a little quiet lately, but before that, it wasn't what I would have expected to hear from someone who really wants to come back and who's really, really a fighter at the core.
02:58:55.000And only the people that really love you are still really, really there for you.
02:58:59.000Everyone else is just like, whatever, loser.
02:59:01.000And then you have the social media, you know, white knights that come out and want to tell you what a piece of shit you are and how you're never going to accomplish anything and you'll never win another fight and you might as well just quit and retire, blah, blah, blah.
03:01:20.000You know, but then she said, you know, I was thinking about, you know, all these negative thoughts and then I looked up, she said this on the Ellen Show, I looked up and I saw Travis Brown and I realized, you know, I've got to stick around to have his babies.
03:01:33.000And I thought, like, what went through my mind is, like, I gotta get back and get my title back.
03:01:38.000I gotta get back and, like, win a fight.
03:01:40.000Like, it just seemed like her mindset was different than what I would expect a fighter's mindset to be.
03:04:13.000You know, like I heard when you guys did your interview...
03:04:17.000She said something like that I called a promotion and like tried to get Chris Beal like mess with him before like his fight or something that I guess he I guess he was contracted to another promotion and he wasn't supposed to be while he was on the Ultimate Fighter and I guess that Dana received a call and then they thought that I she thought that I like did that.
03:04:38.000I'm like, first of all, I didn't even know he signed to another organization at all.
03:04:44.000If he was, it wouldn't have even crossed my mind.
03:04:48.000Like you said, I'm too easygoing to even think of something like that.