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00:00:15.000I think it's just more, I think there's more, it takes more cojones to just say that you're unemployed than to be like, well, I've got a lot of projects going on.
00:00:21.000Like, I've got a lot of fingers and a lot of pies, and I'm like, I'm freelance now.
00:00:31.000Because people want you to immediately say that you're doing okay, and unemployed makes you sound like a bum.
00:00:38.000So I like starting from the lowest possible position.
00:00:40.000You should tell people that you're going to get a trailer, and you're going to travel across the country, get one of those things you drag behind your car, and you're just going to live out of it.
00:00:50.000The more weeks I don't have a full-time job, the stronger my accent's going to get until I'm just down in a little ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.
00:01:30.000Obviously, when you watch British actors play Americans and do such a brilliant job of talking in an American accent, like the Walking Dead people, when people find out that Rick is a fucking...
00:03:27.000And similarly, I think that living in the rarefied atmosphere of being incredibly outrageously famous probably puts grooves in your mental pathways that predispose you to being odd.
00:03:39.000And as you get older, when things start to fall apart, you know, physically and psychologically and maritally and, you know, when he was with that crazy lady.
00:03:47.000I mean, what that is is like the ultimate three-quarters—it's not midlife, it's three-quarters life— Like, dilemma.
00:03:55.000And how many people do you surround yourself with when you're at that level of superstardom who are willing to call bullshit on your bullshit, right?
00:04:01.000Like, I think a healthy famous person, we all know them, are people who are able to keep their heads screwed on because they still surround themselves with a posse who are like, ah, get out of here.
00:04:10.000You've got a Latin mass still doing the pre-Reformation Catholic liturgies up on a hill in the Hollywood Hills and you're talking about how Jews caused all the wars in the world.
00:04:54.000Because if you pay attention to Danny Glover's Twitter feed and his social media feed, it's all about helping people out and charities and spirituality and consideration for the earth.
00:05:06.000And Danny Glover's got a really interesting life.
00:05:19.000I love it when people who you admire, whose craft you admire, grow into being something more than that and, like, sort of spiritually enlightened.
00:05:36.000I didn't either until I was following him on Twitter.
00:05:39.000And the day that he died, I went to his Twitter page to see...
00:05:43.000What his last tweets were, and saw that he was following me for some strange reason, which made me feel like all the more kind of close to him, and started going back through all of his old tweets.
00:05:52.000And he was just interested in spirituality, meditation, all the kinds of shit that you and I are interested in.
00:06:33.000The whole conceit has broken down, but all of those shows owe their genesis to Gary Shandling, to the fact that he did the Larry Sanders show.
00:06:39.000Larry Sanders' show and it's Gary Shandley's show.
00:06:46.000I just walked in here and you told me that there are these pieces about how Facebook workers are admitting that they routinely suppressed conservative news from the Facebook news feed.
00:06:55.000Yeah, I actually got it from Stephen Crowder.
00:06:57.000He sent it to me and then I looked it up and then I saw it was on Gizmodo and I was like, wow, this is crazy.
00:07:39.000He was saying, but when you look at the Beliebers, like the Justin Bieber fans, they overwhelm the trending...
00:07:46.000To the point where Twitter became the Justin Bieber show, and then Twitter had to go, okay, all right, settle the fuck down.
00:07:54.000All these little 16-year-old girls are finger-banging themselves and slamming their fucking iPhones and trying to get this guy, you know, and try to pay attention to this guy constantly 24 hours a day.
00:08:04.000Those believers are out of their fucking mind.
00:08:13.000Yeah, a long time ago, like two or three years into Twitter starting, they...
00:08:16.000There's ten trending topics, I believe, I remember it's like seven out of the ten were all Justin Bieber this, I love Justin Bieber, whatever it was at the time.
00:08:56.000What they're trying to do is they're acknowledging that this is a stupid behavior, and they would assume that you're old enough that you realize it's a stupid behavior, and you should be better than them.
00:09:15.000That is a part of what they're saying.
00:09:18.000They're acknowledging their ridiculousness.
00:09:20.000The difference between deprioritizing Belieber tweet hashtags and using your status as the most important social media information company in the world.
00:11:18.000He's got them on his neck and his forehead now.
00:11:20.000But the coolest thing about it is he's got basically the Joker scars coming out of the sides of his mouth that look like they've got stitches, hence his name, Stitches.
00:11:29.000Yeah, well, he even has it on his lips, like above his lips and to the sides and left and right.
00:11:34.000What is the latest thing that he's got?
00:12:36.000He's combined the word burr with the visual iconography of an ice cream, thereby linking these two formerly disparate concepts in one beautiful tattoo.
00:13:44.000So the things that you tend to click on and the things that you tend to look at and the things that you tend to like, and the stories that you tend to click through to all go into their gigantic algorithm crunching machine, which I just imagine as being like a big Willy Wonka machine spewing with pink steam coming out the top.
00:14:04.000You put in all of the data, and then out the other end, the Oompa Loompas compile your Facebook feed.
00:14:10.000And so they're making judgments all the time about what they're going to prioritize.
00:14:14.000But what they shouldn't be doing is including any kind of their own political preferences.
00:14:17.000And we don't yet know if it's actually true, or it just looks like this is one person who's saying this.
00:14:22.000But my problem with it is, even if you condone these kinds of policies and you're a liberal...
00:14:29.000You don't know what impact it's going to have and whether or not by putting this stuff out people are going to get more liberal, maybe they'll get more frustrated with liberal ideas and they'll become more conservative.
00:14:40.000It fuels the idea that being a liberal is being a person is detached from reality.
00:14:45.000And that's one of the major points of criticism.
00:14:49.000When the conservative people go after the liberals, one of the major things that they try to harp on is that liberals are out of touch with reality.
00:14:57.000When you have something like this and you're reinforcing the idea that they're shielding certain aspects of reality, like that some people have these conservative opinions, and if some people have a conservative opinion and you disagree with that conservative opinion, that's where the open exchange and the marketplace of ideas comes into place.
00:15:14.000Now, if you don't allow that exchange to take place because you deny that people think that way because you hide the stories, you're going to alienate and you're going to create these confirmation bias forums.
00:15:23.000You're going to create these places where people like Salon.com, where people just agree with each other and then they tell you why.
00:15:53.000I thought of them as being on the side of more inclusiveness and more tolerance.
00:15:56.000And it's becoming increasingly not the case at all, that there's more politically correct bullshit and more censorship and more imposing, less tolerance of other people's ideas on the left, even though they're on the right.
00:16:06.000I 100% believe that, but I believe it's the pendulum effect.
00:16:10.000I think it's the suppression of free speech by the conservatives in the Bush administration that fuck people up so sideways, they bounce back the other way ultra hard.
00:16:18.000I think people got so angry at what was going on with John Ashcroft covering statues up with drapes and Oh, I loved that.
00:16:25.000All the craziness that was going on in that administration, and all the suppression of gay rights.
00:16:31.000The fact that John Ashcroft actually had the penis on a statue, on an old Roman or Grecian statue, which was like in one of the great, you know, temples down in Washington, D.C., covered up.
00:16:48.000He was so disturbing that that guy got into office.
00:16:52.000You know, one of the guys that I correspond with online, he had something to do with some record store, and he sent me an album of gospel songs that John Ashcroft had made with some other dude.
00:17:07.000He was fucking, and probably still is, bat shit crazy.
00:17:12.000Well, I mean, they kind of, what do you call it, like...
00:17:16.000When you stack, they basically stacked the Bush administration with a lot of crazy people like that.
00:17:21.000Especially the first administration of the Bush administration, the 2000-2004.
00:17:26.000Man, you look at some of those people.
00:18:14.000You went out there and killed somebody.
00:18:16.000Yeah, some Secret Service agent disappeared.
00:18:18.000One Secret Service agent on a really healthy diet.
00:18:22.000Fucking cut that guy open like a fish.
00:18:25.000You can just imagine, they've probably got like a Tinder for Dick Cheney, where he's just swiping left and swiping right on the people who they're going to kill.
00:18:46.000The whole administration was filled with chicken hawks.
00:18:51.000That were all about Jesus and wanted to go over there and kick some ass and fucking blow shit up.
00:18:56.000It's interesting you mention Wolfowitz, because in terms of what we're saying about the left can be intolerant of other ideas, a lot of these guys, especially Wolfowitz, were former Marxists.
00:19:06.000When Wolfowitz was young at university, he was a revolutionary Marxist.
00:19:10.000And it's interesting that oftentimes people who are hyper-revolutionary socialists can flip into becoming hyper, like, Ayn Randian, idealistic reactionaries.
00:19:33.000Where at one end, you think that you can overthrow the capitalist system and create a utopia in which everyone is going to be equal and it's going to be from each according to his ability, to each according to his need.
00:19:45.000And then at the other end, you believe that you can wipe societies clean, you can go into Iraq and raise everything and then start from fresh and democracy will spring up and people will be able to live in peace.
00:19:57.000I mean, they're both basically kind of messianic, utopian ideas about change, instead of the sort of change that I think actually works, which is just incremental, grudging change, bit by bit, slowly eking it out.
00:20:10.000That's not what Cheney and Wolfowitz think the world is all about.
00:20:13.000No, they tried to force change and force change at home and abroad.
00:20:17.000And that's where the conspiracy theories come in about 9-11 and the attacks and Dick Cheney saying that we need something like a new Pearl Harbor.
00:20:26.000And that's where people really freak out because they look at how much people actually did profit from that event.
00:20:31.000So they go, well, okay, is it possible that someone had a part in letting that event happen or helping that event happen or Yeah,
00:20:55.000I mean, I do think, like, when you look at how incompetently they managed Iraq, when you look at how incompetently they managed Katrina, when you look at how incompetently they managed things that they wanted to get right...
00:21:06.000The idea that they could have pulled off something like that within eight months of entering office, I find implausible.
00:21:10.000If I have to choose between incompetence versus a massive conspiracy, I usually think people are just generally incompetent.
00:21:18.000How do you even start that conversation?
00:21:21.000How do you even say, listen, hear this out.
00:21:27.000We gotta talk some dudes into flying planes into the World Trade Center in Towers 1 and 2. We're gonna hijack planes filled with people, and we're gonna talk these guys into flying them into the buildings.
00:21:40.000They'd be like, wait, who the fuck is gonna do that?
00:21:44.000You've got to get them to believe that there's a bunch of pussy waiting for them in heaven, and all they have to do is fly these planes into buildings to get that pussy.
00:21:49.000Yeah, but see, Joe, these plans had long been hatched because there were camps in Afghanistan which we were funding.
00:22:00.000Alex Jones would be yelling at me right now explaining why I'm wrong.
00:22:05.000Also, there's a much easier way to have done it, which is if you wanted a pretext to go into Iraq, all you'd need to do would be – I was talking to a national defense guy about this.
00:22:14.000He was like, there was a no-fly zone over Iraq.
00:22:16.000The CIA could have painted a US plane the Iraqi colours and just faked a shoot-down of a US or British jet that was patrolling the no-fly zone, and you would have a much clearer case, actually, in international law to go to war than the vague case that they did do,
00:22:33.000because it wasn't connected to 9-11, so they had to make up this shit about WMDs and all that sort of stuff.
00:22:38.000You could easily have orchestrated something without bringing down the World Trade Towers that would have given you a good reason to go into Iraq.
00:22:43.000Well, that was one of the main reasons why a lot of people bought into...
00:22:48.000Do you know about Operation Northwoods?
00:23:41.000And because they're such unscrupulous assholes and they do these legitimate conspiracy theories, that's what gives people reasons to believe in what I regard as being the much more ridiculous conspiracy theories.
00:23:52.000But it would be a lot better if they just didn't do any of this shit in the first place, and then people wouldn't be out of their minds being so suspicious about whether or not 9-11 was an inside job.
00:24:00.000Well, there was the word that Dick Cheney was discussing the possibility of doing something like that for Iran before they left office.
00:24:09.000They were talking about orchestrating a false flag on Iran before they left office, and they never pulled it off.
00:24:15.000Whether or not that's true or not remains to be seen, but it's not outside the realm of possibility.
00:24:20.000I mean, it happened in so many different times in history, when Nero burnt Rome, when Hitler burned the Reichstag, when, I mean, the whole, what happened to get us into Vietnam.
00:24:36.000And you don't even have to go as far as the Nazis, just in terms of what the CIA has done in counterinsurgency operations in South America and stuff, the involvement in the coup in 1973 in Chile.
00:24:47.000I was reading up about that lately because I went to Chile a couple of years ago.
00:24:51.000I mean, it's not that they absolutely, completely manufacture total bullshit from whole cloth, but they...
00:24:59.000Give voice to conspiracy theories in those particular countries.
00:25:02.000They fund media outlets that are spreading, you know, what the CIA wants to get heard.
00:25:08.000And they just basically put their finger on the scales of something so that it goes another way.
00:25:12.000I mean, the democratically elected government in Chile was overthrown by a brutal military dictatorship, which then lasted for an entire generation, thanks largely to the CIA. I mean, we don't even think or hear or learn about that stuff.
00:25:24.000And do you think that it's possible for them to go, listen?
00:25:28.000You've got to break some eggs to make an omelette.
00:25:37.000There's a lot of shit we'd like to tell you, but the world works in a really fucked up way, and you don't want to know about that because you want to watch Real Housewives.
00:25:43.000No, and I actually have some sympathy for that idea.
00:25:46.000A friend of mine is the former director of the CIA. I spent a Thanksgiving with him once down in Washington, D.C. Did you look in his basement?
00:26:29.000If you actually work there, then I think your outlook is basically what you just articulated, which is, it'll be lovely if we all lived in a world with ice cream and candy and where the lions slept with the lambs and the postman hugged the dogs and we were all dancing in the streets.
00:26:43.000But listen, honcho, it's a tough world out there, and either the Saddam Husseins and the Putins are going to rule it, or we are.
00:26:49.000And sometimes you have to break a few eggs in order to make an omelet, and sometimes you have To do things that might not seem pretty on the surface.
00:26:54.000But I'll tell you what, we're the ones who are standing on the wall watching God.
00:26:57.000So you go about your little business and we'll take care of shit.
00:27:00.000I heard the national anthem playing while you said that.
00:28:13.000There's a great graphic that I think, like, Vox produced or something about the number of people in total who were killed in the World Wars.
00:28:19.000Each one represented, like, each thousand or million or something is represented by a little block.
00:28:23.000Yeah, I know what you're talking about.
00:28:25.000It's crazy when you start seeing how many people...
00:28:27.000You're like, oh, this is a lot who were killed in, for example, the Iraq War, and it goes back to Vietnam, World War I. But World War II, towards the final few years of World War II, even excluding the Holocaust, just looking at people, mainly Russians...
00:28:43.000It's just millions upon millions upon millions of people.
00:28:55.000And often, I mean, if you talk to a military historian, what really ended the war, yes, D-Day was important, but the Soviets won the war.
00:29:03.000I mean, it was the fact that the Nazis were just hemorrhaging in the East.
00:29:07.000That meant that they couldn't put up any defenses in the West.
00:29:11.000So D-Day was a, you know, not to insult our great forefathers who fought there, but D-Day was a little bit of a walk in the park in comparison to what was happening on the Eastern Front.
00:29:18.000Well, there was a lot going on all across the world, but one of the scariest things about France and what happened to them during World War II is the amount of France to this day that you literally can't even visit because it's so filled with waste.
00:29:54.000There are just still bodies, just bones and shit.
00:29:56.000There's this little town in northern France called Villers-Bretonne where the Aussies were, I mean, you know, no one ever thinks about the Aussies and the New Zealanders and all those little countries who were fighting there as well, but of course they had their own little plots that they had to fight.
00:31:01.000Look, he's not trying to take over the world, but it shows you how problematic personality can be when it comes to someone being chosen to be the leader.
00:31:15.000This is a day of food coming on these little styrofoam trays and being able to pull up to Wendy's and get a fucking cheeseburger in 15 seconds.
00:31:36.000I feel like, you know, Bernie and Trump were the ways, in different ways, that people had, that people who've been shat on for a long time, white, working class dudes, mostly, I mean, when you look at the fact that incomes of middle America has been stagnating for the past 30 years,
00:31:53.000manufacturing has been in decline, there hasn't been a rise in working class incomes in America since the 80s.
00:32:01.000I was surprised that Elizabeth Warren didn't get more traction.
00:32:04.000It seems like once that Native American stuff came out about her, she just went, okay, I'm just going to step over here.
00:32:09.000I honestly think she believes that she's more useful in the Senate.
00:32:12.000Maybe, but you know the Native American stuff.
00:32:18.000In order to get some sort of a scholarship or something like that?
00:32:20.000When I hear things like that, my brain, it just hits the, this is probably a beat-up part of my brain, and it just goes straight out my ear.
00:32:27.000Because I don't really give a shit about stuff like that.
00:32:45.000I mean, who knows if she actually did it?
00:32:46.000Maybe someone else did it and she sort of went with it?
00:32:49.000It's so difficult to tell without talking to her.
00:32:51.000If it's a Rachel Dolezal thing where someone has spent their whole life pretending to be something that they're not, then I think, yes, that's...
00:32:57.000There's quite a few of those out there, though.
00:32:58.000Yeah, then I do think that that's disqualifying.
00:33:01.000But I feel like if the only thing that your political opponents can dig up on you is that you filled out a form wrong...
00:33:06.000But that's not filling out a form wrong.
00:33:08.000It's being deceptive about your ethnicity in order to take advantage of people that are undermined by society.
00:33:15.000I mean, when you go with Native American...
00:33:34.000He's real close to winning because I just don't know whether or not Hillary can hold up to scrutiny when you're talking about her being under two criminal investigations right now, right now, in the immediate future.
00:33:46.000There's two criminal investigations going on.
00:33:47.000They just gave immunity to the guy who set up that email server.
00:34:56.000But that guy got immunity, and this guy got extra.
00:34:59.000The Clintons are just so frustratingly paranoid.
00:35:02.000Even if there was nothing, even if she wasn't doing anything wrong, the fact that she's so paranoid as to need to set that up because she's so terrified that someone's going to get access to her emails.
00:35:39.000What he does have is even people who hate him acknowledge that he is not full of bullshit and that he's not spouting someone else's lines, right?
00:37:30.000So, like, of course there are not that...
00:37:32.000Like, the idea of people just pouring across the border back and forth and coming in for seasonal work, and, like, that to me does strike me as odd.
00:37:49.000If you talk to technology experts, they say that there are much better ways of securing the border than with a physical wall.
00:37:55.000You can have drones and things, and you can have all kinds of crazy shit.
00:38:01.000But, because people will dig under a wall, or they'll climb over a wall.
00:38:03.000It's not nearly as sophisticated as the kind of technology that you could use.
00:38:07.000But I don't think there's anything inherently bigoted about it.
00:38:11.000I think deporting every single person who's here illegally is an overreaction.
00:38:16.000Have you seen the stats about how many 747s full of people you would need to get all 11 million undocumented people in America out within the two years?
00:38:25.000There's more than 11 million in LA, by the way.
00:38:28.000This idea that there's 11 million undocumented people in America is fucking hilarious.
00:38:33.000Get on the 405 at 3 in the afternoon...
00:39:31.000But we have this quite controversial and pretty inhumane but I suppose defensible policy which is if you pay a people smuggler to make your way all the way from Afghanistan or Iran or wherever it is you're coming from or Syria and you pass through a bazillion other different countries through Malaysia,
00:39:49.000through Singapore, you make your way down to Indonesia and you're rich enough to get on a boat that then comes to Australia you will never be settled in Australia.
00:40:25.000Listen, we used to have, under the previous government which relaxed these policies, 50,000 people died at sea trying to get to Australia in boats, including women and children.
00:40:34.000Now, almost nobody tries to come to Australia by boat anymore because they know they're never going to settle.
00:40:39.000A few hundred people basically being stuck in indefinite detention on some shitty Pacific island, or 50,000 people dying at sea trying to get here because they think they're going to be resettled?
00:42:02.000Canada and Australia are kind of very similar in that they're enormous but totally inhospitable.
00:42:08.000I mean, you could no sooner live in most parts of Canada than you could live in most parts of Australia where there's just no water and no vegetation.
00:43:38.000Why did anyone ever come across the ocean and build a fucking city here where it's literally so cold that a dog's piss on the sidewalk will turn into ice?
00:43:49.000It's like I'm in the TV show The Dome and it's just a giant freezer because I'd never had the conception of actually being sub-freezing.
00:44:52.000My sister-in-law is Finnish, and in Finland, they go in the saunas, and then they go out and swim in lakes in the middle of nowhere when it is minus 22 degrees.
00:45:02.000I've been swimming in a lake when it's minus 22 degrees.
00:46:18.000She was talking about cold shock therapy, cold shock proteins, and heat shock proteins, and that there's different proteins that we produce in the sauna, and the sauna is really beneficial for hormone production, for sleep, melatonin production,
00:47:48.000I mean, it's like Tim Ferriss as well, right?
00:47:50.000Where he'll go through periods where he's taking ice baths and doing all this crazy shit and measuring the impact that it has on his physiology.
00:48:29.000So there was this white privilege conference, which was a kind of politically correct talkfest, right?
00:48:35.000And it basically ended up consuming itself entirely because the people who were attending it decided that the conference itself had become too white.
00:48:52.000And it started after one of the speakers there, who was a white historian, went over time, and an Asian-American attendee, a woman, tweeted out, great keynote, but going over time allotted is another example of white supremacy.
00:49:09.000Hashtag white privilege conference so white.
00:49:12.000And he also made the mistake of using the N-word in his speech.
00:49:16.000I mean, he obviously was using it in a historical context because he was talking about race in America.
00:50:07.000It's like by saying that the word is, it's never acceptable to say the N-word, by saying that and putting that in a tweet, That's not true.
00:50:17.000Like, if there's a reason to say it, if you're explaining something that happened, what someone said, how they said it, you are allowed to repeat the word.
00:50:27.000The idea that you're not allowed to repeat the word around grown adults is to pretend that word is magic.
00:50:36.000In fact, I feel stupid for even having used the phrase, the N-word, because ordinarily I just say nigger if I'm talking about the existence of that word.
00:50:43.000But hey, I'm Australian, so I don't understand context, right?
00:50:46.000But, I mean, I was talking about this on my podcast about I do think that we've gotten away from, like, where is the other person's heart and what is their intention?
00:50:55.000So, like, if you ever use that word in anger at another person, I think you're a total cunt, and you should not do that.
00:51:54.000Because another one of the tweets that happened at this conference read, a white woman telling a black woman to close the door at a workshop session.
00:52:02.000Another example of hashtag white privilege conference so white.
00:52:05.000You're not allowed to tell a person of color to do anything.
00:52:49.000I reckon if your people and your ancestors have been fucked over completely for 400 years, then it's a little bit rich when the people who belong to the ethnicity that's been fucking you over don't let you reclaim...
00:53:01.000The word that was previously oppressive.
00:54:31.000And whether it's tribes of people who use Mac over Windows, whether it's tribes of Android users, whether it's tribes of people from Wisconsin versus tribes from people from Texas, we love to be in a fucking collective group of people.
00:54:45.000Even if it's not a good group, even if it's not good ideas.
00:54:48.000And one of the things that I... Get disturbed about this Trump thing is how many annoying Goofy white dudes are really into him There's an anti-intellectual aspect, like a shut-down debate aspect about this.
00:55:13.000There's intelligent people that support him, too.
00:55:15.000Totally, but they're not supporting him because his ideas are intelligent.
00:55:19.000They're supporting him in spite of the fact that they're intelligent, because there's something about his vibe that appeals.
00:55:23.000I feel like there's a bunch of people supporting him because he's winning and they want to see him win and they want to get in on some of that winning.
00:55:31.000There's a bunch of dumb white dudes that are hopping aboard that that are just letting you know he's winning, he's winning, Trump's winning.
00:55:40.000I think it's partly exhaustion with the political correctness that we've just been talking about and the fact that they feel like they can't say anything about I think?
00:56:08.000And I was trying to explain it by reference to the fact that even in Australia, people don't feel like politicians are speaking their language like actual human beings.
00:56:18.000Take, for example, gay marriage in Australia.
00:56:20.000Australia still doesn't have gay marriage.
00:57:23.000I think it's like these pot dealers up in Northern California that secretly voted against marijuana legalization because they wanted to keep it illegal so they could make more money and they wouldn't have to turn in the taxes for them.
00:57:54.000But, I mean, my point is simply that the Prime Minister of Australia currently favours gay marriage.
00:58:00.000There's a majority in Parliament for it, and instead, because he had to do some shady backroom deal to get into power with his fellow party hacks...
00:58:11.000Now there's going to be like a plebiscite, which is like a non-binding referendum about it or something.
00:58:15.000And my only point was, it's so obvious that politicians are so full of shit and that they're beholden to people other than the people who elected them, that whether you're listening to Ted Cruz or Hillary Clinton, people just have a sense that they're being fed...
00:58:30.000Did you hear Hillary talking about, after Trump accused her of playing the woman's card, she goes, you know, If it's playing the woman's card to believe in equal pay, then deal me in!
00:58:55.000First of all, she was a person who said that marriage should be between a man and a woman until 2013. Okay, 2013, she was still saying that.
00:59:06.000Isn't it convenient how her views on everything just happen to evolve at exactly the same point so that when 51% of the American population comes around to them, she has an awakening?
00:59:21.000Who is trying to keep gay marriage illegal in Australia?
00:59:26.000Because if there's all those people, you would think that if the majority of the people wanted it, if the Prime Minister wanted it, if all these people wanted it, who's working and what benefit is there of keeping it illegal?
00:59:39.000I think everyone knows it's going to happen.
00:59:40.000It's just a matter of trying to postpone it.
00:59:42.000But what's basically happened is that there is a rift within the Conservative Party between conservative conservatives and progressive and socially liberal conservatives.
00:59:51.000So think about the Republican Party here, where you've got Christian evangelicals as a component of it, but you've also got the Rand Paul...
01:03:14.000A former Washington state man who was convicted of trespassing at an Enumclaw farm where a man was fatally injured while having sex with a horse in 2005, right, is accused of having sex with animals on a Tennessee farm.
01:03:27.000So one of the same people that was in that group Well, yeah, what did they think he was going to do?
01:03:35.000I would think that once my friend got fucked to death, I might want to reconsider it.
01:03:39.000Well, yeah, you would think that's sensible.
01:03:41.000But it's like, I mean, I think it's like being gay or something.
01:03:43.000I always get in trouble because when we talk about pedophilia and stuff like that, I sort of make the same analogy, which is I have...
01:03:49.000I mean, whilst it's the worst conceivable thing that I can imagine anyone doing morally, I have some sympathy for people who are hardwired in such a way that they get a hard-on from infants or animals or something.
01:03:59.000I mean, the reason I'm not a pedophile is not because I'm morally superior, it's because I've never been attracted to anyone who's not post-pubescent.
01:04:34.000Gayness is two people choosing to be attracted to the same sex, or being attracted to the same sex and choosing to be with each other, rather.
01:04:42.000I'm just talking about what you're attracted to, right?
01:04:45.000If you separate the actual act, obviously it's very, very different, because you're abusing someone who isn't old enough to be able to consent.
01:04:54.000But the act of feeling like you're attracted erotically to a baby...
01:05:49.000We should give them the option of chemical castration as an alternative to jail, and then just have them with no libidos.
01:05:55.000The problem becomes whether or not it's actually sexual or whether it's psychological, and if it's uniform.
01:06:03.000Like, some people might be sexually attracted to children in some way that you could cure with chemical castration, whereas some of them might be psychologically attracted to the dominance and to, like, it's what they say about rape, right?
01:06:15.000That rape isn't really about sex in a lot of the cases.
01:06:18.000Obviously, in some cases, it's about sex.
01:06:23.000And how many people, it's not a sexual thing.
01:06:26.000What if they wound up, because they couldn't get it up, they wound up just doing things to kids in a fucked up way because they wanted to control them and dominate them.
01:06:53.000When you hear about a serial killer, I mean, is there a chemical castration for a serial killer to stop them from injecting?
01:06:58.000No, but I've spoken to experts about pedophilia who say, like, what you want to do, we're making a mistake at the moment by demonizing the condition rather than demonizing the act, right?
01:07:10.000So what you want to do is set up a scenario in which it's possible for a 15-year-old kid...
01:07:15.000Who realizes that he's attracted to infants to go to a psychiatrist and get help and talk about his options without feeling like he is a total monster just because he's having those feelings.
01:07:27.000It's hard for us to think that way because if he acted on those feelings, he would be a monster.
01:07:32.000But you want him to be able to avail himself of whatever kind of medical treatment is possible.
01:07:38.000Available rather than just going out and hiding in the shadows and committing monstrous acts.
01:08:19.000And I was like, first of all, How brave is this guy that he's willing to go on television and do these interviews and talk about his compulsion?
01:08:26.000Even though he said he's innocent of the actual act itself, he has his compulsion.
01:08:31.000And I think the spectrum of different ways that the mind functions is so complex and so confusing as to what's the origin of these Behavior patterns.
01:09:51.000I put it on little flash drives, leave it around my house, just in case somebody decides to delete it off the internet.
01:09:56.000The video starts out, and the guy is naked, and he's bent over Bela Hay.
01:10:01.000And then his friend, I use the word air quotes, grabs the horse's penis and leads it up to his butt, and you're like, there is no fucking way.
01:10:48.000And how do you get from, I think this would be an amazing thing to try, to actually being there in the barn, like, straddled over the bale of hay?
01:11:42.000But what I mean is I'm amazed at the people who can translate their latent mental desires into actual real-world experiences, whether that's climbing Mount Everest.
01:11:52.000I mean, there's all kinds of things I'd like to do.
01:11:55.000Joe's eyes are just getting real wide as he looks at something on his laptop.
01:15:35.000Yeah, there's other options, but I mean, listen, my point of view is that this guy, in getting fucked to death by a horse, created this video, and this video has provided me with hundreds of hours of entertainment that I would have never gotten without this guy dying.
01:17:44.000Did you hear that Oklahoma has had to change their...
01:17:48.000I was just looking this up when we were talking about pedophilia, that there was a rape case in...
01:17:55.000This is not something to laugh about, but it is interesting about how we define rape, where a 17-year-old kid, this was last month, and a 16-year-old, he made her...
01:18:13.000She woke up, I think in the middle of the night, completely deliriously drunk, and her mother or grandmother took her to the hospital because she was so drunk.
01:18:22.000First thing she kind of really remembered was the doctors asking her what kind of sexual activity had happened because they'd found some of the 17-year-old's DNA around her mouth and on her legs.
01:18:59.000And the judge was saying if a victim is so intoxicated that they're completely unconscious, then it's not actually forcible, because they weren't forced to do it.
01:19:08.000They didn't even know that they were or weren't doing it.
01:19:47.000So it is entirely possible that this boy, who was only a few months older than her, didn't have the wherewithal to understand that she was compromised to the point where she couldn't consent.
01:20:29.000There was a big thing that feminists were trying to push for a while, and they kind of abandoned it because they realized that it literally makes 90% of the population a rapist.
01:20:37.000And they were saying, you shouldn't have sex even with your husband.
01:20:40.000If your husband is drunk and you're sober, don't have sex with him.
01:21:17.000Women were saying, this was part of the argument, that if a man fucks you and he's drunk, And you're sober, even though he's the proactive one, right?
01:21:30.000That sex with a drunk person is rape, because they cannot consent.
01:21:35.000Well, then you might as well just, as you say, make every single activity that you do while drunk But the real problem becomes it becomes an attack on men because it's very, very rare that any woman ever gets in trouble for having sex with a man that's drunk.
01:21:47.000But women and men have both been drunk and the men have been accused of being rapist whereas the woman wasn't.
01:21:54.000That was the Occidental University thing.
01:22:03.000It frustrates me so much because this is one of those areas where, like Islam or like political correctness or like Black Lives Matter, I feel like the moment you try to introduce nuance, you can be very quickly taken out of context and accused of being pro that thing.
01:22:17.000You know, because I'll say something like this, and then supporters of mine on Twitter will be like, yeah, like, fuck her, or like, you know, let's rape.
01:22:23.000And I'll be like, no, that is not what I'm saying whatsoever.
01:22:27.000That's why it's horrific that they could take what you're doing right now and take it and make a little YouTube clip out of it, take that clip and put a title on it.
01:22:52.000Yeah, if I were to say, for example, that preying upon somebody, preying upon a woman with a knife and forcing her against her will to have sex with you is a worse class of behavior than coming in your unconscious girlfriend's mouth...
01:23:13.000Have we gotten to a stage where it's just not possible to even talk about that because we just have to keep mouthing the slogan of sexual violence is unacceptable all the time, therefore there's no way of even distinguishing in the law between different levels.
01:23:27.000A 17-year-old boyfriend who makes a mistake should go to jail for just the same length of time as a repeat serial predator who preys upon...
01:23:37.000Well, we don't want to admit that there is any difference and that all these things are exactly the same and one of the reasons why It's because what you just said, just in introducing it as a possibility, like there might be a variation, there might be a grade of like,
01:23:55.000this is a level 10 rape, this is a level 9 rape, this is a level 8. Like, whoa, [...
01:24:00.000As soon as you start getting into that, it's almost like you're a rape apologist, or you're a rape supporter, or...
01:24:05.000We want to be able to boil things into a fucking headline.
01:24:09.000A clickbait headline and spit it out there.
01:24:57.000Whereas the woman is an innocent person who doesn't know any better because she's drunk.
01:25:01.000There was a piece that I was reading on the plane in the Sunday Times yesterday about the word survivor, how the word survivor is getting used now.
01:25:15.000And they were making the point that when every act of sexual violence gets labeled with, I am a survivor of sexual violence, even if that was just unwanted touching on the subway...
01:25:27.000Then, like, what does it mean to be – what do you mean you survived it?
01:25:30.000Were you ever going to die because someone, like, slapped you on the ass in the workplace?
01:25:35.000Not to say that it's okay to do that, but, again, you're just compressing all of the actual, real, horrifying survival stories down to the level of, oh, someone looked at me funny and called me toots.
01:27:47.000You seen those photos of Trump's sons holding up jaguars and yeah, you know.
01:27:51.000That whole African hunting thing, I tell people, if you think it's bizarre, from a cursory glance, you gotta look at Louis Theroux's documentary about these African hunting camps.
01:28:04.000We've mentioned this before, because I've been a Theroux fan since day one, but that episode is just killer.
01:29:03.000And he said he was on this hunting safari where they have these enormous places where they have these hunting camps where it's a 10-hour drive to the other side of the ranch.
01:29:17.000I mean, it's enormous, enormous territory.
01:29:19.000And while they were there, they encountered these Quote-unquote poachers.
01:29:25.000And he said the people from the honey cam just shoot at the poachers.
01:29:30.000They just shoot at them like they're coyotes.
01:32:12.000And as our lives get better and better, we fail to accurately calibrate any benchmark.
01:32:19.000It's like there was a study that came out that 47% of Americans could not come up with $400 if they needed to, if they suddenly got an unexpected bill.
01:32:29.000Almost half of Americans, in other words, are right on the brink of the poverty line.
01:32:34.000But in terms of just being able to come up with cash.
01:32:36.000But how do we get ourselves into that scenario?
01:32:39.000We fail to recognize how prosperous we are.
01:32:44.000I mean, most of the people who are listening to this podcast are in the top 5% of income earners globally.
01:33:44.000But I think that's also probably one of the reasons why you became ambitious and why you worked hard and why you're in a position right now where you don't have to worry about that.
01:33:51.000Because you worked your way through it.
01:33:52.000And you figured your way through adversity.
01:33:55.000You know, this is an interesting subject because I had Eddie Wong in really recently and he brought up something that I thought was preposterous.
01:34:03.000He brought up the idea of, what do they call it, basic income?
01:34:14.000And when I started looking into it, one of the things that I was intrigued by was like, okay, How much of crime and how much of people's aberrant behavior could be...
01:34:26.000You could write it off to them being desperate and needy and poor and feeling hopeless.
01:34:33.000And how much of that crime would not take place if they got $35,000 a year?
01:34:38.000And if these are people that are just gonna fuck off anyway, but this way they're gonna fuck off but they won't be committing crime because they're gonna have a steady income for the rest of their life.
01:35:56.000I'll text you his details after the show.
01:36:01.000I'm making a note to myself right now.
01:36:04.000He was basically saying there's a jurisdiction in, I think, Finland or Sweden which is actually trying this out just to test the proposition of how much less will people actually work if everyone gets a basic income.
01:36:18.000How much of a deterrent will it be from bothering to get a job?
01:36:38.000So the weird thing about this idea is that libertarians like it as well as progressives, because for libertarians, this is a way of getting rid of Social Security, getting rid of Medicare, getting rid of food stamps, getting rid of all of these different programs, and streamlining everything.
01:36:50.000I mean, think of how hard it is to do your taxes and to fill in the forms and to figure out what you're supposed to get.
01:38:27.000And so what happens when you've got Silicon Valley and Hollywood pumping out huge amounts of stuff, which give us a massive GDP, a larger GDP, where growth is still happening, but it takes fewer and fewer people?
01:38:43.000I mean, Uber is a transportation company that doesn't employ anybody.
01:38:46.000Facebook doesn't employ very many people.
01:38:56.000I think one thing that's happening that's interesting is that people are gravitating more towards craftsmanship and crafts, and people are gravitating towards handmade things, and they're gravitating towards things that actually have...
01:39:16.000But if I know a guy who's a blacksmith, and he actually makes a knife, and he does all this craftsmanship and puts together the handle, and that to me is like, there's a feeling that you get from this object when you're using it.
01:39:30.000Like, this is someone's craftsmanship.
01:39:36.000They learned the art form of making a functional piece of kitchenware.
01:39:43.000And I'm Yeah, but speaking of the 47% of people who can't come up with $400, I mean, you can afford to care about such things, but the majority of people are just going to buy a pack of steak knives for $14.99 at Walmart, right?
01:39:55.000That's true, but that's also the case with everything, with clothes and with all sorts of different things.
01:39:59.000But for the person themselves, someone who learns a trade and someone who learns a craft, someone who learns how to make furniture...
01:40:05.000I hope we go more that way and become less of a disposable, just China-fueled, commodity-consuming country and care more about the quality of stuff.
01:40:17.000But I think it's becoming, for the people that are looking for something to do, that has meaning in their life, there's extreme meaning in hand-produced things.
01:40:27.000When you buy something from someone, like a piece of office furniture, and you know this guy made it.
01:40:57.000Somebody puts together a nice hardwood cutting board.
01:41:00.000You're like, oh, this is a guy who made this.
01:41:03.000And then in terms of the question of whether or not people can afford to buy such things, maybe the universal basic income means that we don't necessarily have to all be buying those things because the people who make them are going to be getting the universal income.
01:41:17.000If the overall pie is bigger every year, then you just have to figure out how to tax that pie.
01:41:24.000Maybe that means that you have to have super huge taxes on Silicon Valley in some way in order to fund the universal basic income.
01:41:30.000But if there aren't enough people being employed to fund what the government needs to do on the basis of a conventional income tax, but there's more stuff being produced going around, there's more wealth, you should still be able to extract that wealth somehow, and maybe people can...
01:41:46.000If everyone got a universal basic income, people can become a poet or an artisanal knife maker or a table maker and they don't need to necessarily be able to sustain their living doing that.
01:41:56.000There are more opportunities for creative output.
01:42:05.000Imagine not having to worry about where the next meal comes from.
01:42:08.000Well, that's where it started ringing true to me.
01:42:11.000I was making fun of Eddie talking about it, but then I thought about it for quite a while afterwards, and then I started reading some things on it that sort of reinforced these new ideas that I was starting to play around with.
01:42:21.000And one of the things that I was thinking is, how much of what people do that's fucked up, they're doing out of desperation or out of...
01:42:50.000Hopefully you got enough money for rent.
01:42:52.000If you get some part-time jobs here or there, hopefully you can survive.
01:42:56.000But you're less desperate and more dependent upon society.
01:43:01.000You're more dependent upon the rules of society.
01:43:04.000Well, I mean, to see what countries look like when that sort of thing happens, even though it's not a perfect analogy, just look at the countries of Northern Europe, or even, you were talking about Melbourne, you know, a country like Australia, where it's by no means perfect, there are still poor people, but gee, the levels of poverty are a lot less than they are here,
01:43:20.000and the number of people in grinding abject absolute poverty is almost non-existent in comparison to the way that you see it here in the States, because we have social safety nets that are just much more robust.
01:44:06.000Yeah, well, I mean, that's because of Syria.
01:44:08.000Well, yeah, well, that whole thing is so bizarre, where the mayor of Munich was telling girls to keep to themselves and not look at anybody.
01:44:25.000But you could certainly imagine a system in which it was a lot easier for people to – where you just didn't have entrenched levels of grinding poverty.
01:46:26.000You know, because if you went over $1...
01:46:31.000No, but if you were going to start means testing it, then it'd have to be a sliding scale so that you didn't encounter that problem, right?
01:46:38.000So if you hit 250, then you only get 30. If you hit 260, you only get 25. But then it becomes complicated and that negates a lot of the benefit.
01:46:46.000What you're talking about, what you really want is just a way for desperately poor people to not be desperately poor.
01:47:17.000In great detail about real institutional racism in Baltimore, where they, you know, they had literally areas where you couldn't sell black people homes.
01:47:28.000And this had been established like in the 1960s.
01:47:31.000And because of that, those areas are still fucked.
01:47:35.000Those areas, like, they're still to this day.
01:47:40.000The police officers in his district did, where it was like a mandate, like what they were supposed to do and where the crime was, and he's like, it was exactly the same places, exactly the same crimes as they were dealing with in the 2000s.
01:47:54.000He's like, how futile and fucking crazy is this?
01:47:57.000That you're dealing with this pattern that never gets fixed, never gets corrected, and just, they just, cops keep arresting the same people in the same areas for the same problems, and it's like, You know, they've done studies about what the most effective way to help poor people is,
01:48:14.000because oftentimes people on the left will be in favour of food stamps or better public schools and so on.
01:48:21.000But a lot of recent research suggests that just giving people money...
01:48:26.000Is more effective than trying to figure out all of these tweaks.
01:48:30.000Because we don't like giving poor people money because we think, well, they're just going to spend it on drugs or they're going to spend it on booze or something like that.
01:48:34.000You can't buy cigarettes or food stamps.
01:48:37.000But it turns out, and this applies whether you're talking about desperately poor people in Africa or desperately poor people in downtown Baltimore.
01:48:43.000If you just give them money, most people use it to good ends.
01:48:48.000The thing they really want the most is to...
01:49:02.000People know how to get themselves out of poverty if they just had the resources to do so.
01:49:14.000Yeah, and it's also this absolute realization that this is not a level playing field, and that someone born in the slums of Inglewood is not the same as someone who was born in Beverly Hills.
01:49:25.000It's so fucking crazy about libertarians when they go on about how everyone should be free.
01:49:29.000Yeah, of course everyone should be free.
01:49:34.000Within the understanding that it's crazy to say that the person who's born in Beverly Hills to a white, middle-class, upper-class family is only as free as the baby born in the slums of Baltimore.
01:49:50.000Of course you should use, I think, the power of the state to be able to level the playing field a little bit, just to skim a little bit off the Beverly Hills family and give a little bit to the Baltimore family.
01:49:59.000I don't see what's so tyrannical about that.
01:50:01.000Well, yeah, because you're not coming from an even start point, right?
01:50:05.000And there's also this notion that, as a country, we're only as strong as the weakest link, right?
01:50:13.000So if we created a system where we had less people in desperation, less people in despair, less losers, We would be more winners.
01:50:29.000I just wonder what the actual numbers are.
01:50:32.000Because how much money is being spent every year on things that we don't need?
01:50:35.000How much money from our taxes goes to bureaucracy and bullshit and this really distorted representative government that most people don't agree with?
01:50:45.000How much of it is just fucking cronyism and handing money back and forth between each other?
01:50:50.000I'll tell you what we don't spend a lot of money on.
01:50:52.000We don't spend a lot of money on bureaucracy and waste.
01:50:57.000People who want to cut government spending will often say, first thing I'm going to do when I get to Congress is I'm going to not repaint my congressional office or something.
01:51:07.000I'm going to throw out the fancy stuff and I'm going to get an old couch.
01:51:11.000This is not what we're spending our money on.
01:51:14.000What we're spending our money on is the military.
01:51:17.000And Medicare and Social Security, basically.
01:51:21.000So, rein in healthcare costs and cut the military, and that's where the big meat is.
01:51:28.000Yeah, you say cut the military, but then what happens, son?
01:51:32.000They're going to come over here and take our jobs and kick our women into the curb or something.
01:51:36.000I've been having a Twitter argument with a person who's been saying that the reason why America's roads are so bad is because we spend too much on foreign aid.
01:53:15.000Remember that the person who gave you the 1099 or the W-2 also sent a copy to the IRS. The IRS already has it.
01:53:22.000They could just fill it out themselves.
01:53:24.000Instead, they make you do it, and it's difficult and cumbersome.
01:53:29.000But in a lot of other countries, like the UK and Australia, you have the option of just signing off on it and saying, yeah, okay, this looks good.
01:54:10.000So they oppose this bar graph idea because they know that the biggest line item would be this massive thing and you'd be like, do we really need to be spending that much on the military or is this really a jobs program where we're building nuclear submarines that the Pentagon doesn't want in important districts in fucking Delaware just so that we can keep some jobs there in a factory that's producing munitions that it no longer needs to be.
01:54:33.000Well, I think one of the good things about someone proposing something like that is you get to look at who's opposing it.
01:54:38.000And when someone's proposing something that makes sense, unless there's some sort of exorbitant fee that's involved in giving people a detailed rundown of where their money goes, then you would say, well, someone's against transparency.
01:54:50.000And if you're against transparency, you're against freedom, you fuck.
01:56:10.000We're being a bit transphobic, aren't I? Yes, you're very transphobic.
01:56:12.000You know, I said on my podcast the other day that people who vote for Hillary because she's a woman are only voting for her because she's got a vagina.
01:56:20.000And someone on Twitter said that that was transphobic because there are women who don't have vaginas.
01:57:03.000I'm so conflicted about this because...
01:57:06.000I also got into trouble on my podcast for talking about this.
01:57:08.000So, I think it's obviously a silly beat-up and I think that trans people have been and will continue to use bathrooms and we shouldn't worry about it and I don't think that people should be passing laws against it.
01:58:10.000She's a fat guy with a beard who plays guitar, and that's what all of her photos are, and she doesn't want to have her dick cut off, and she doesn't want to grow breasts, and she doesn't want to lose her beard.
01:58:21.000And she's arguing that it's transphobic to say that she shouldn't be able to use the women's restroom...
01:58:29.000And other people were saying, you can understand how, like, a parent might be concerned if their daughter went into the girl's restroom and then what appears to be a large, bearded, fat man walks in after her.
01:58:41.000You know, that is not necessarily transphobic.
01:58:44.000And then all of a sudden, she's like, how dare you say that?
01:58:47.000There has not been a single instance of a trans person abusing...
01:58:50.000This is just like the gay fear back in the 1970s.
01:58:52.000You're claiming that trans people are more likely to be pedophiles.
01:59:14.000What we really should be concerned with is not the trans people.
01:59:17.000What we should really be concerned with is heterosexual people pretending to be trans people.
01:59:23.000Heterosexual people who are in fact sexual predators, who all they have to do to be around- But they don't even have to pretend to be trans.
01:59:29.000I mean, all they would do- I see what you mean.
01:59:31.000All they would have to do is to wear a dress and go to the woman's room and say they're trans.
01:59:35.000And they could do whatever the fuck they want once they're in there.
01:59:42.000It's people that are using this very ambiguous law.
01:59:46.000I mean, this is a very ambiguous distinction.
01:59:47.000If someone identifies with the opposite sex without having any outward appearance of being that opposite sex, all a guy would have to do is say, I'm trans, and you can go into a female restroom.
02:00:00.000But you have to recognize it's a possibility.
02:00:04.000But again, it comes back to our conversation about rape or about Islam or about Black Lives Matter or whatever.
02:00:10.000We're trying to have a nuanced conversation and it's impossible to have because all you're allowed to be is either pro-trans or you're a religious evangelical bigot, right?
02:00:21.000We just have to hunker down, Joe, into our little trenches and have a war of attrition where I'm on one side and you're on the other side and the last man fucking stands.
02:00:29.000It's like World War I. We're doing Passchendaele all over again, just firing at each other on Twitter.
02:00:33.000You're not allowed to have a nuanced...
02:00:35.000Don't you think this is a direct result of the Bush administration, like we were talking about?
02:00:39.000I really do think that that's what it is.
02:00:41.000I think everybody was so scared and conservatism was at such a high point that the rebound from that, the rebound from all the anti-gay hysterica, I mean, that administration was ripe with homophobia, ripe with all sorts of different types of discrimination.
02:01:12.000Like, Stephen Fry quit Twitter in February.
02:01:15.000He was one of the first adopters, and he was like, it used to be this lake in the forest where you could run and jump and play, and now it's a fetid swamp with everyone pissing in the pool.
02:01:25.000I'm a Stephen Fry fan, but I gotta say, I think you went out like a bitch.
02:01:31.000Come on, that small group of people can chase you out of one of the most fucking easily used forms of free expression the world has ever known?
02:01:39.000Like, all it takes is him making a joke about a dress, and people shitting on him for making a joke.
02:01:44.000Why would you even care about the opinion of people who get upset at you for making fucking And he's a
02:03:30.000Yeah, but why even, if you don't care and you're going to leave, why even make an announcement?
02:03:36.000It's like if someone said to you, you know, hey man, I just thought the jokes you made about rape and the Joe Rogan podcast were totally uncalled for.
02:06:39.000That caused a media storm because there were lots of funny reactions to that where people were like, I met an Irish person and asked him to explain the IRA. He said, nothing to do with me.
02:07:37.000So, you know, he's not maybe the nicest guy in the world, but when you live in a country with a First Amendment, it's pretty fucking crazy that a person can say something, can tweet something like that, and then get arrested.
02:07:53.000There was one comedian in Montreal that made a joke about some kid that was dying, and the kid survived, and all these people had donated money, apparently.
02:08:09.000So he made some joke about, you know...
02:08:40.000It's not like someone just yelling something to someone out randomly.
02:08:44.000This is someone trying to handle a heckler ad-libbing in a comedy club with a bunch of drunk people and these hecklers who had been fucking up the show up until the time he got there.
02:08:55.000So he's trying to wreck them and make them feel bad.
02:09:17.000I gotta tell you, I haven't seen anything that bad in Australia, but it is also bad in Australia in terms of, like, what frustrates me the most is that people from certain ethnic groups or religions...
02:09:27.000A claiming that you can be, you can blaspheme, you can, what do you call it when you defame, right, you can defame like a religion or an ethnicity.
02:10:18.000You can soak the film with sunscreen and protect yourself without worrying about sweat or water washing it away.
02:10:24.000The researchers say they expect it can be used to treat eczema, psoriasis, and other skin conditions by covering dry, itchy patches with a film that moisturizes and soothes.
02:10:44.000A polymer, a clear liquid, is applied.
02:10:47.000Its chains are not very strong, though, so the next step is applying a product that links them together.
02:10:53.000By modifying the chemistry of the chains, the researchers can alter the properties of the second skin depending on how it will be used, making it more or less permeable.
02:11:01.000For example, a more permeable second skin might be used for under eye bags where a less permeable one might hold a medication in place.
02:11:10.000It can be removed with a solution that dissolves the polymer.
02:12:13.000We're going to cover ourselves with rubber.
02:12:16.000I mean, the fact that we've got enough money to be thinking about this, like, coming back to the question about, like, poaching elephants in Africa or me going to the Mumbai slum, like, what the fuck is the world on about?
02:12:25.000When you talk about the inequality between Beverly Hills and Baltimore, what about the inequality between people who are inventing polymers so that we can spray them on our eye bags so that we look a little bit less old at the same time as there are people living on a penny a day in Mumbai?
02:13:05.000Certain types of, uh, it's like a plastic that can spray on things, and when they spray the shit on things, it, um, it actually, uh, you could, you could throw, like, cinder blocks off of buildings and shit because of it.
02:14:07.000They threw these cinder blocks off of a building.
02:14:11.000And then they cover the cinder block with this paint.
02:14:14.000And then they throw the same cinder block, same size cinder block, off a building that's covered in this protective coating, and watch what happens.
02:14:27.000They did it with plates, they did it with eggs, and then on top of that, they did it with plastic cups, where they had a sumo wrestler stand on plastic cups.
02:16:17.000And think about what we're experiencing now in 2016. Now imagine what 2116 is going to be like.
02:16:24.000Well, also think about if we can ever do what Ray Kurzweil wants us to do and be able to unite artificial intelligence with our intelligence.
02:16:33.000If that happens, then that's going to be a bigger game changer than all of the physiological things that we've been able to do in terms of the evolution since the Industrial Revolution.
02:16:41.000It's going to be like an information revolution, and we're going to become cosmic gods.
02:16:46.000In some sort of a weird way, I think it's inevitable.
02:16:49.000Because I just think, as long as we don't blow ourselves up, or we get hit by a meteor, or a supervolcano wipes out the planet, I think it's inevitable.
02:16:56.000We're going to continue, not we, not you and I, we're not going to do shit.
02:17:05.000We're just going to be talking, but there's going to be other people out there that are really fucking smart, and they're going to come together with some other really smart people, and they're going to figure out some amazing things.
02:17:17.000When people wonder about why we haven't found extraterrestrial civilizations yet, and we haven't heard their radio waves, I'm so hopeful that the reason is that we just evolved out of that.
02:17:27.000We've only had them for less than 100 years, right?
02:17:29.000We've only been pumping them out for 100 years.
02:17:32.000Maybe we're just about to find something else and we'll realise that the universe is actually teeming with all these conversations between different civilisations that we are just completely oblivious to and they don't care about reaching out to us because we're just little ants on a little rock floating around a...
02:18:10.000IBM machine that's beating people in that Go game, killing chess champions at their fucking preferred game, that one day it's going to reach some sort of a state where we have to accept it as a life form.
02:18:25.000Yep, and it has rights, because it has a conception of itself.
02:18:30.000Two computers walking to the bathroom.
02:18:33.000I was talking to someone who was saying that when we can grow artificial meat, because they're working on artificial meat in a lab, then will it be the case that the only ethical meat to eat that isn't artificial...
02:18:48.000Would be human meat, because we're the only people capable of giving informed consent to have ourselves be eaten.
02:18:56.000Maybe we could take all these fat people, and we could suck body meat off of them.
02:19:01.000They'd be like, I really wish I was thinner.
02:19:03.000And you go to a place, and with no scars, they remove 30% of your body weight.
02:19:07.000I've got this polymer that I can spray on you, which just extracts some of your fat and your calories and puts them into a smoothie for me.
02:19:12.000Yeah, you just sell it as protein bars.
02:19:15.000You mentioned the Go game, the computer that beats people at Go.
02:19:18.000The thing that I find really fascinating about that is the computer that beats people at chess is basically just a brute number cruncher, right?
02:19:28.000So Deep Blue and Deep Blue 1, whatever, was it Kasparov?
02:19:32.000What that basically does is just looks at all of the different possible outcomes that you might be about to play and then rapidly calculates the probability that any particular move is going to yield a good result.
02:19:42.000We can all imagine how that functions.
02:19:45.000It's basically just lots and lots of numbers.
02:19:50.000There are so many different options at any particular point in the game that no computer can even remotely and probably ever will be able to calculate the game itself the way that the chess computer does.
02:20:01.000There are more options, I think, in a game of Go than there are, like, atoms in the universe.
02:20:18.000So, like, if there are two options, and then those two options each lead to another two options, which each lead to another two options, which each lead to another two options, very quickly you get up to numbers that are...
02:20:27.000You know, it's like those thought experiments of how many times would you have to fold a piece of paper for it to reach the moon, and it's only, like, 30 or 40 times or something ridiculous like that, because it's doubling all the time.
02:21:17.000It's not just like a gigantic calculator like the chess computer is.
02:21:20.000It is a form of artificial intelligence in that it is making calculations.
02:21:25.000I mean, obviously, it doesn't know anything, we don't think.
02:21:27.000But for me, it's really super exciting because I do think that it's really interesting to ask the Turing test question of, like, when is a computer actually self-aware?
02:23:14.000So the sort of the billionaire kind of leader, the Mark Zuckerberg type in that.
02:23:19.000The way that he builds the artificial intelligence is by hoovering up all of your social media information from his kind of Facebook-style thing.
02:23:27.000And I think you're right, that that could be one way of creating an artificial intelligence, to collect all of the communal inputs that we're putting in every single day on social media...
02:23:42.000I was just going to say, there's a specific episode of that show, Black Mirror, I've been trying to tell you about, that deals with this exact topic, where there's some sort of Android-created thing, and they take this guy's whole social media presence, and that's his new being.