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00:01:59.000You know, there's two schools of thought on it.
00:02:01.000One school of thought is that if you spend too much time on your body that you're vain and it's a frivolous pursuit because you're going to die anyway and it's all pointless.
00:02:11.000But I feel like that's kind of a cop-out because I think that you only have this one meat vehicle to get you through this life.
00:02:20.000And if it was a car, you'd maintain it.
00:02:22.000If you have a nice car, what do you do?
00:02:23.000You take care of the oil, you know, you get it serviced.
00:02:27.000You deal with all the stuff that makes it run nice.
00:02:50.000I think if you're saying it's self-absorbed and it's vain and it's shallow to care about your body, and if you're saying that as an excuse to allow yourself to not get into shape, Then I think that you're not really facing what's going on.
00:03:07.000And that thing where you're like, oh, it's just shallow.
00:03:10.000You're not really addressing what the actual resistance is.
00:04:16.000I just think it's almost, I mean, it's not overlooked with a lot of people, but with some people it is overlooked.
00:04:21.000And I think it's unfortunate because it's thought of as like a vain pursuit, a pursuit of vanity.
00:04:26.000And it really restructures the way your brain functions.
00:04:30.000When you regularly exercise and your body pumps out all those endorphins and you release all that stress and your body sweats and it just feels like...
00:05:37.000Good that comes out of being really shitty to yourself.
00:05:41.000The good is the reaction to that, where you don't like that feeling, and then you do something different.
00:05:45.000Because I think if you just look at yourself and you look in the mirror and go, fucking awesome!
00:05:49.000And you tuck your gut into your shirt and tuck your shirt into your pants and you just go about your day and then have a heart attack, I don't think you're gonna get the results that you really want.
00:05:59.000I think if you want your body to work well, Mm-hmm.
00:06:23.000I fucking tried to brush my teeth with deodorant.
00:06:25.000I had deodorant out, and I had my toothbrush.
00:07:04.000Back when I used to indulge in everything more, the feeling of indulging and the feeling of I'm doing something that I don't think I'm really okay with the fact that I'm doing it made me feel estranged from myself.
00:07:18.000And then it's like I wanted to keep the party going.
00:07:20.000There were so many nights because I don't indulge in much anymore because it was kind of getting out of hand.
00:07:27.000And this is many years ago that I'm talking about because I've been on the planet.
00:08:09.000That's a very honest way of looking at it.
00:08:11.000I think a lot of people feel like that.
00:08:13.000Like a lot of what the partying is, is distraction from their own problems or their own goals that they haven't tried to go after, those sort of nagging problems in their life they're not working on.
00:08:28.000The mind works in such a weird way where you chase after distractions sometimes with all this vigor, but you don't do the same with the actual real issues in your life.
00:09:43.000I think at the end of the day, it's an experience and it's an experience that restarts every day.
00:09:49.000You know, you go to bed, it shuts off, you wake up and you go, here we go again.
00:09:53.000And you assume that this is the same life and you assume that you're not just waking up in some sort of computer program that pretends that you have 41 years of memories.
00:12:59.000It's that bulletproof coffee in my throat.
00:13:02.000It's like written into your operating software.
00:13:05.000There are certain people that are programmed to see the world in a way where it's like people are trying to screw me over and I'm not going to let that happen.
00:13:16.000And so they'll see it everywhere, even where it isn't.
00:13:38.000And especially if you have been fucked over before, then you start thinking, oh, it's everywhere.
00:13:43.000Goddammit, these fucking people, they're everywhere.
00:13:45.000Yeah, I'm not going to be blindsided again.
00:13:47.000It's when you actually do actually get fucked over, like in a business deal or with someone who's trying to fuck you over financially or something like that.
00:14:23.000I would begin to think about everything and I would be like, when was the point at which this started?
00:14:30.000And I'd have to kind of reconsider everything.
00:14:32.000And that is my own obsession with, sort of like we were talking before, the way that I can prevent this happening in the future is to really understand how this happened now.
00:14:53.000You know, I think also if something's important to you and you, you know, you really, you want something to work out well, whether it's a podcast you're doing or a comedy show or something like that, you can kind of obsess on things too much.
00:15:13.000But like what we were saying earlier about the, or I was saying about trying to talk to myself differently, this might make people barf because it's so hippy-dippy new age, like Stuart Smalley almost, but...
00:15:27.000Lately, I've been thinking, like, is that a loving behavior towards myself that I'm engaging in?
00:15:33.000So if I'm ruminating about something or obsessing about something or thinking about something that's upsetting me, like, is that, am I being loving towards myself?
00:15:41.000And then in thinking that way, after I finish vomiting, I think, like, it allows me to actually kind of move on and, like, put those thoughts down.
00:15:57.000Well, for me, I think I try to avoid a lot of negative behavior and negative thinking because if I allow it, and I always think of myself as like, okay, if I was giving myself advice,
00:16:38.000Making sure that I don't fuck cuz like bitch I'm right here.
00:16:41.000I know what you're doing stupid You know don't don't do don't get dumb and I've been dumb and I think we have all been dumb and I just think All that self-love and self-help is great But not if it allows you to continue the same patterns over and over again and still love yourself.
00:16:57.000That's yes That's where you have to really be honest and make sure that you're rigorously honest with yourself Yeah, you can still love yourself and tell yourself you're a fat fuck Sometimes that's the most loving thing.
00:17:10.000I gently, lovingly tell myself, I'm a fat fuck.
00:18:08.000Because I'm like, you get into it, and especially if you don't eat a lot of cake, like after like the third or fourth bite, you're like, ugh, like this fucking pasty frosting and sugar and...
00:18:19.000Are you one of those people who pushes all the frosting to the side and is like, oh, it's too sweet.
00:18:58.000At the beginning, so my story is I was pretty overweight growing up and into my 20s.
00:19:07.000And then, I mean, I had kind of gone up and down.
00:19:09.000And then I finally lost the bulk of it and I've kept it off for years.
00:19:12.000But about a year ago, it started creeping back on a little bit because I'm doing IVF. I'm trying to get pregnant and I'm shooting myself with hormones all the time.
00:19:21.000And all the things in the past, all the ways in the past that I'd kept the weight off, because it had been, you know, about 10 years of really being careful with my calories and exercising and all that, like it just wasn't working anymore.
00:22:26.000Hotly contested, but perhaps not for reasons you might think.
00:22:28.000FDA investigation found that a Pennsylvania company, Castle Cheese Incorporated, had doctored its so-called Parmesan with a mix of cheap cheddar cheese and cellulose, also known as wood pulp.
00:24:37.000This is one kid in particular that's on this insane diet like he doesn't eat any sugar There's nothing processed and the kids freaking out all the time because all around them kids are eating cake and having all these things and I feel like that can set you up psychologically So in a bad way where you develop this where you want to binge later?
00:24:56.000Well Yeah, I think when your parents tell you not to eat, you want to eat.
00:25:02.000When parents tell you not to be a slut, it's the first thing you want to do, right?
00:27:09.000I make them eat vegetables, and I try to keep them away from shitty food.
00:27:13.000And I just try to explain why it's good.
00:27:15.000Like, this is why Daddy likes to eat this.
00:27:17.000Like, they always mock me that I don't eat bread, and, you know, they like to stick things in front of my face that they eat and I don't eat.
00:27:23.000But most of the time, I don't suppress them.
00:28:32.000And I also think that setting them up like that gives them a certain amount of autonomy and a certain amount of independence that I think is like really critical to develop early on so that's not a giant shock when you turn 18. Yeah.
00:28:43.000You know, like, slowly build them into this idea.
00:28:46.000You are a little autonomous human being.
00:29:12.000And I never had that chance as a kid, you know, and I think looking at my life like back at like the things that Happened to me that made me sort of like rebel and made me sort of reinforce the idea that I need to be independent I need to get the fuck away from all these people I need to have stop all this negative input coming from all these different directions like I sort of In having children get a chance to re-engineer what
00:29:42.000I would have liked about my own childhood.
00:29:44.000Did you have an oppressive upbringing?
00:30:47.000If you can get through it all, you have a more...
00:30:51.000Comprehensive view of the world and the dangers it provided, but I mean I was almost molested when I was like eight by some fucking creep at a library that I was hanging out at and a librarian saved me I was Looking through I was in a monster movies when I was a little kid.
00:31:05.000I was really into like Dracula and Frankenstein shit So I was looking through these books and this guy came up to me.
00:31:12.000He's like really weird and He said, you know, you like monster books?
00:32:20.000Well, I think for the longest time that was the attitude of like, look, I kept you physically safe, you're in clothing, you went to school, whatever it is, you know, so what's the problem?
00:32:29.000And it's like, well, there's all the whole emotional side of things.
00:32:33.000Well, I think when you look at our generation versus our parents' generation and their parents' generation, if you just go back a couple generations to like my grandparents' days, My grandparents are immigrants.
00:32:45.000They came over on a boat from Italy and Ireland.
00:32:47.000And when you think about what their life was like versus what our life is like today, we're barely even related.
00:32:55.000We're so different with our access to information, with the understanding that people have about raising people, about communicating with people, about talking to yourself.
00:33:04.000Even your reference to going to the library is anachronistic.
00:34:03.000And a weird thing is that you could have...
00:34:08.000Let's say of all of our embryos, two of them are good and will create babies.
00:34:13.000If they happen to be implanted at the same time, then I will give birth to twins.
00:34:17.000But if not, and we go another round, then I could have kids a couple years apart.
00:34:24.000You end up doing all this weird math of how many should I implant to maximize the chance of getting pregnant, minimize the chance of multiples.
00:34:56.000And I think normally, or I think traditionally what they do is they take the eggs and then they take the sperm and they put it together in a Petri dish and then just kind of let it do its thing.
00:35:08.000But for certain people, they do something called ICSI, which is, let's see if I can, it's intracytoplasma something.
00:35:51.000Oh my God, that's like the first thing.
00:35:53.000Like Bud's camp for sperm and the weak ones, they ring the bell.
00:35:57.000They take all the sperm, they drive them far into the mountains, they drop them off, they give them one peanut, and they say, we'll come back for you in three weeks, and if you're still here, we're going to inject you into an egg.
00:36:07.000They give you a Swiss Army knife and a fucking piece of shoe straight and figure it out, stupid.
00:36:11.000Right, they take away your shoelaces, and they say, you have a lot of thinking to do.
00:36:20.000No, but I get what you're saying in terms of natural selection.
00:36:26.000IVF is circumventing all of that because it's taking a whole bunch of women who are past the age that they can get pregnant naturally and it's allowing them to get pregnant.
00:36:47.000There's also that argument, which is, but the people who are doing it are people who have tried to be responsible and wait until they're at a point in life when they can have kids versus like a 22 or 23 year old who, and I'm sure there's plenty of great, actually I've never met them,
00:37:03.000but they're probably out there who've had kids that young and it all turned out well.
00:38:19.000Yeah, it's just such a weird holdover from a time that we can't even remember when it made sense to get pregnant at 13. Well, yeah, we can't remember.
00:38:28.000But that's the weirdest thing about biology, right?
00:38:31.000Is that the changes that take place naturally, they occur over long periods of time, hundreds of thousands, if not millions of years.
00:38:39.000But the changes taken place in our culture and our society over the last thousand years has been insane.
00:38:46.000The massive amount of difference between living in 2016 versus 2016 is just, you can't even, it's barely like the same life.
00:39:00.000Do you think the amount of change that we have recently is the same amount of change that Heather has always been historically, though?
00:39:08.000Or do you feel like things are speeding up?
00:39:11.000They're accelerating because of technology, 100%.
00:39:13.000It's just the world we live in today is alien compared to the world of 1,000 years ago or even a few hundred years ago.
00:39:21.000If you went 200 years ago and showed them how people are living today, they'd be like, holy shit.
00:39:27.000Even the crazy science fiction authors of the 1800s, Jules Verne and Orson Welles and all these crazy people that had all these great ideas about the future, they never thought of the internet.
00:40:21.000Yeah, I was listening to you recently talk about how you don't think that the human brain is really...
00:40:28.000Ken really knows how to process celebrity and that's why we end up putting the Kardashians on a pedestal or something because we're biologically historically wired to follow I
00:41:01.000don't think that the human brain knows how to deal with technology, information, the internet, all of that.
00:42:24.000Yeah, for the most part, it's amazing.
00:42:26.000The thing that you were talking about with the Kardashians, that was something that Neil deGrasse Tyson just Instagrammed the other day.
00:42:33.000That was a conversation that he and I had when I did his podcast and I really firmly believe that that there's something about pointing a camera at someone and putting them on a screen that you you look at them and it hijacks your reward system the reward system that's designed to you know say if there's like some The mother of this tribe,
00:42:55.000and she's been alive for a long time, and she has all this wisdom, and so when she talks in front of the fire, everybody sits down and listens.
00:43:06.000She's someone who you have to pay attention to because she knows things.
00:43:09.000And you know she knows things, so when she starts talking, you listen.
00:43:12.000That can all be hijacked by a fucking reality TV show camera on Bravo and next thing you know it's Real Housewives and some pilled up bitch is screaming at her friend and you know like we pay attention to them.
00:43:25.000A friend of mine was at one of the people from that Real Housewives show has this restaurant.
00:46:17.000Because suddenly six people are upset about something that seems like not a big deal.
00:46:21.000And I feel like that existed on paper before they did those scenes.
00:46:24.000Well, more importantly, your entertainment has been observing fools.
00:46:28.000Like, you've put fools on for half an hour on television.
00:46:32.000And that now becomes what your mind focuses on.
00:46:37.000Instead of something really, truly interesting, instead of something enlightening or something entertaining, you're watching fools reluctantly with this weird, guilty feeling.
00:46:54.000I mean, I'd like to invite them on my podcast, but I hear what you're saying.
00:46:56.000But what's weird is, if that was a drama, if it was a drama, it was a show, and it was all completely made up, it wouldn't be nearly as interesting.
00:47:04.000Because the narratives are really boring.
00:48:10.000And they'll fucking hate the wave, the tsunami of hate.
00:48:15.000Well, that's the thing, I think, that kind of happens from what you're saying about, like, we're watching Fools, is you're not, like, I'm watching a great piece of...
00:50:13.000And I know a couple of those people that are on that show and that overwhelming negative message that you put out by being that person and the response to millions of people hating you.
00:50:26.000Like literally millions of people saying you're a dumb cunt.
00:51:39.000There's a formula that's been established where if you can be the bitch on the show that makes a lot of noise and you can keep it real, you can speak your mind, that girl gets a lot of attention.
00:52:44.000Have you seen, you know a lot of famous people, In general, have you seen anyone enjoy fame?
00:52:51.000Because I feel like from what I've seen, it's a thing that people have to learn to manage, but it's never what they thought it was going to be.
00:53:01.000Kevin Hart doesn't seem to have a problem with it.
00:56:33.000In terms of most people's relationship with Tom Cruise, you see Cocktail and Top Gun and all his most recent films that I'm not naming because I don't know them.
00:56:44.000Here you are just seeing him at a restaurant.
00:56:45.000That's something that most people don't get to see.
00:56:47.000It's like the rarity or the scarcity of it.
00:56:51.000You know what else I was thinking in terms of what it does to our brain when you see someone's face that's huge and when you're sitting in a darkened theater and someone's face is 50 feet tall?
00:57:03.000That kind of replicates The way your parents and all adults appear to you when you're a baby.
00:57:10.000Like it's a baby, you're just sitting there and there's these faces that are huge and they show up and they're over you and they're gone and I don't know.
00:57:17.000Do you know that that's what a lot of psychologists believe are the origins of alien abduction memories?
00:57:24.000They believe the origins of alien abduction memories have to do with birth.
00:57:28.000And that's why that clinical strange setting of being pulled out of your mother's womb, of seeing the light of those in this really white, sterile environment that seems cold and harsh, and the people with the masks on,
00:57:45.000surgical masks and big eyes, That you see these things and they become iconic in your head.
00:57:51.000And you think of them not in terms of like a person with a mask on, But in terms of this, like, very strange distortion of reality.
00:58:01.000And these are the first images that a person has.
00:58:35.000Well, it's remembering how to describe a memory you once had.
00:58:39.000Like the memory itself probably doesn't exist anymore.
00:58:41.000You have a memory of how you told the memory and that like really sort of distorts it too.
00:58:47.000But think of like visually, you've never seen anything.
00:58:51.000You've been in a womb and then all of a sudden you get pulled out and you get pulled out by a guy with a fucking giant light behind him and he's got a mask on and he's looking at you and you're pulling.
00:59:01.000All you see is eyes and his face and so They believe that gets distorted into this iconic giant head, black giant eyes, and the cold sort of clinical...
00:59:16.000The antiseptic room, this white room with the light.
00:59:20.000And that's why everyone has these abduction scenarios.
00:59:23.000They all deal with medical exams that are pretty preposterous.
00:59:28.000I mean, they're always going up your butt with stuff.
00:59:43.000That's the one thing you'd be terrified of, like if the aliens had ultimate control over you, if you couldn't move your body, what are they gonna do?
01:00:12.000Also, you've never seen light before, so you've seen this extreme light.
01:00:16.000It's a powerful light source because everything has to be really bright so you can really get a good look at everything and make sure you're stitching up the vag good, you know, and getting in there and looking at the baby and making sure everything's in place and then putting that baby in an incubator like, whoa!
01:00:30.000And then if you're a boy, oftentimes circumcising.
01:00:34.000They don't do it right there, do they?
01:02:07.000I was watching this YouTube video once of this guy defending this practice.
01:02:12.000And he was, you know, an old rabbi and he was talking about how, you know, it's in the faith and if you believe in God and, you know, God came up with it the right way.
01:03:05.000They didn't even know how to be in color.
01:03:07.000They were so strange and childlike in a lot of ways.
01:03:13.000The other thing is, they didn't have the access to information, they didn't live as long, and they didn't have anybody around them that had access to information the way they do.
01:03:22.000For every scholar and every person who was deeply embedded in intellectual pursuits, you had millions and millions of people that just didn't give a fuck and were just trying to get by.
01:04:06.000Watching, I was like, you make me so angry with your stupid thinking that you're justifying cutting a baby's dick and you're talking about some dumbass old ancient bullshit that was written by morons who thought the world was flat.
01:04:19.000And you want to continue that in 2016 because it's tradition.
01:04:47.000And to see this guy just encloaking himself in tradition and using it to justify these objectively barbaric practices, if you stand back and look at it and analyze it, what benefit is there?
01:05:03.000What are the risks and what's the consequences and what are we doing here?
01:05:06.000Are you sucking on a baby's dick, dude?
01:05:08.000Are you talking about sucking baby dicks?
01:07:17.000And when your penis is encased in foreskin, then the foreskin is pulled back.
01:07:22.000It's much more sensitive and supposedly much more pleasurable.
01:07:25.000You know, who knows if that was a part of the reason why they started doing it in the first place, or if it was a hygiene issue at the time, people didn't know that much about washing.
01:09:14.000Oh, because they're just pulling it all back?
01:09:16.000They're pulling their face back so much that when they smile and they open their mouth, you start doing the Fibonacci sequence in your mind and you go, something's wrong.
01:09:51.000So I used to play in a band and some of my Fred's hand recording studios, and I know that it was used to figure out acoustic nodes, I think, some pattern of sound waves.
01:10:01.000Well, Tool did a whole song with the Fibonacci sequence.
01:10:06.000They figured out a way to incorporate the sequence into the way the lyrics are structured and the way the beats are structured.
01:10:15.000But the ratio of a person's face gets distorted with plastic surgery.
01:10:20.000And it's one of the things that's upsetting about people.
01:10:23.000When you see someone, they've got crazy fake lips.
01:10:25.000You're like, whoa, what's going on with your lips?
01:12:06.000Their jaws are swollen because they feel like puffing out their face removes some of the wrinkles.
01:12:13.000What's funny in a town that prizes being skinny so much, I see so many people, men too, have these like balloony faces because they're just filled with, I don't know if it's Botox or Juvederm, I don't know.
01:12:26.000I have not had any of that done, so I don't really know.
01:12:30.000But it's like, yeah, their faces, it looks like they're puffing them out.
01:12:37.000They're filled with irritant is what it is.
01:12:39.000Yeah, well there's an actual physical substance in there that's making their face thicker to get rid of the lines.
01:12:46.000Yeah, all that stuff is going to go away.
01:13:52.000Anyway, it's similar, but not the same.
01:13:56.000This Regenikine thing involves heat, and it involves your blood's response to the heat, and then taking that serum and injecting it back.
01:14:02.000My point being, the same doctor that created this procedure created a new procedure that restarts the body's production of collagen.
01:14:10.000So what wrinkles are is your body loses its elasticity and it starts to give in and starts to get sloppy and loose and that's why people get facelifts.
01:14:19.000Well, with his new procedure, he's going to restart your body's production of collagen.
01:14:24.000You're going to develop collagen like a 20-year-old.
01:15:37.000Yeah, and my fear is always like, well, what if I end up with some stupid tiny nose that doesn't look right on my face, and then I can't get it back, and plus, I feel like that's just going too far.
01:15:49.000But then I think, but, you know, I had braces, so my teeth look different than they would have looked otherwise, and I straighten my hair, and I look better with straight hair, I look better with straight teeth, like, I've...
01:17:12.000If I'm a little fatter around the outside of my lips, but I don't have the wrinkles, I'll be happier.
01:17:17.000Or like, hey, maybe some of this fat can be moved here.
01:17:19.000Next thing you know, there's an alien up your butt.
01:17:21.000Yeah, well, it happens if people take some of the fat out of their inner thigh and they inject it in their ass, and all of a sudden it looks like they're wearing a diaper.
01:18:18.000A friend of mine got with this girl once and they hooked up and they got together and they started fooling around and she had a thick waist and it freaked him out.
01:19:13.000Instead of just being like a nose job or braces or nip and tuck, it's all this one thing, like the boxy body, like this fucking piece of shit.
01:21:48.000That's so important for if you're going to be on camera, having a face that displays emotion is important.
01:21:54.000So why would you want to hobble yourself to that degree?
01:21:56.000That's really interesting you brought this up because I was watching boxing this weekend and Canelo Alvarez fought Amir Khan and they're doing this thing now in boxing.
01:25:38.000That's something called- Oh, but it looks so real.
01:25:42.000We're looking at a video or an image of a guy who's on something called Synthol.
01:25:47.000And Synthol is something that people who are into bodybuilding do where they inject it into their muscles and it's oil that inflates the size of the muscle.
01:25:57.000It doesn't change the strength of the muscle, but it makes your muscles like blow up and look complete.
01:26:02.000Look at that guy with the red t-shirt on.
01:26:59.000It really seems that almost all women have a certain amount of body dysmorphia.
01:27:04.000I know I certainly do, especially having been pretty overweight and then now whatever I am and then, you know, it's like I don't know how to regard myself in the mirror.
01:27:12.000And by the way, I don't need anyone to tell me how to regard myself unless it's positive.
01:28:08.000And the process of improvement, you can get caught up in it where you lose your objectivity and you can't see it the way other people can see it.
01:28:19.000And I think that is a big part of what body dysmorphia is.
01:28:44.000And if that's applied to your face, Or your waist, with the waist training that you're about to get into, where they wear those corsets and suck themselves in and compress their organs and also hinder organ function.
01:30:28.000People that like to dress up like furries, What is it about putting on a fucking giant mascot outfit of a squirrel that really gets your rocks off?
01:30:47.000In terms of things like fetishes, I don't know that someone can...
01:30:54.000Understand the mindset of someone who's into that.
01:30:57.000I feel like that is so baked into your operating software, to use that term again, that it's like, I don't know that if I were to explain it, someone else would get it.
01:31:16.000What's weird when you find out that some fetishes are just sort of burned into your mind at a very young age when you're sexually maturing like Dr. Chris Ryan is a friend of mine has been on the podcast before he was talking to me about children especially boys when they're in a certain level of puberty like I think it's like ages between 11 and 14 any sort of sexual encounters that they have during those age can almost permanently Mm
01:32:23.000I mean, I'm sure there's all sorts of, there's both, but I think what he's saying is that some men can be even attracted to gay porn or attracted to the idea of guys blowing guys and not be gay, which is, you know, we don't like to,
01:32:38.000we like to make things very clean the way we categorize things.
01:32:41.000We like to have like very clean and obvious categories.
01:32:45.000Right, but if we're all on a spectrum, then the categories break down for different people.
01:32:50.000I forget what term he used about this imprinting.
01:32:54.000I think that younger people are much more comfortable with the fluidity of sexuality and with everything.
01:33:02.000I mean, I remember when I was in college, There was a fair amount of girls making out with girls, but in front of guys.
01:33:13.000Like, look at me, I'm so wild, I'm making out with a girl.
01:33:49.000There's this girl at the comedy store, one of the waitresses, was telling me about her friend She said it was hilarious the way he said it because he said, I know I'm not gay because I've had sex with guys and I didn't like it.
01:34:03.000And she said, I think that was one of the most heterosexual things that a guy could say.
01:34:24.000I appreciate his commitment to finding out, to not prejudging.
01:34:30.000I think that people did that in the 70s in particular.
01:34:35.000There was a bunch of rock stars that experimented with gay sex, like Pete Townsend did it, and Mick Jagger and David Bowie supposedly did it.
01:34:44.000I think it was common that people were experimenting with gay sex, Boundaries.
01:34:50.000And they were challenging where those boundaries are, where they begin and where they end.
01:34:55.000And we also know that, like, homosexuality in particular was very, very common a long time ago.
01:35:01.000You know, even pedestry, you know, that's a word, right?
01:36:21.000It seems like we're not showing an ample amount of butt-fucking amongst dudes.
01:36:26.000What's interesting is that it could have been so accepted and then there could have been such a change where up until recently it's like people who were truly gay did not feel comfortable being gay.
01:36:39.000You know, that it could change that much.
01:40:25.000I mean, I'm drawn to it and compelled to view it and fascinated by the fact that these animals exist with us on this planet alongside us right now in the wild.
01:40:38.000And it's one of the more amazing aspects about North America.
01:40:43.000North America has these wildlife preserves, these places like Yellowstone, these state and national parks, where they have these animals that are wandering around.
01:40:56.000And any given time, you can go to Yellowstone and you can see bison and wolves and bear.
01:41:04.000And they don't mean whether you're there or whether you're not there.
01:41:09.000They live in the same way they've lived for millions of years.
01:41:11.000In this really barbaric, raw, natural world where it's just about breeding and killing animals.
01:41:18.000And trying to keep the numbers as high as possible while riding it out until the alpha male gets too old to defend its territory and then gets forced out and eventually dies and freezes to death.
01:41:30.000And it's this intense, long-running cycle.
01:41:34.000I'm just really, really fascinated by wildlife in general.
01:41:43.000Because I wondered if there's an element of it that you feel like people don't face that that's our true nature to a degree and what we come from.
01:41:55.000Because I can post nature images and it can be like, look at these puppies.
01:41:59.000Look at a puppy befriending a duckling.
01:42:36.000But I think our life, the way we live in cities and in urban areas, is insanely filtered in terms of our interactions with the rest of the world.
01:42:48.000Especially when we're consuming things that come from the outside.
01:42:53.000And then it comes, not just as far as animals, but even plant life, even just gardens and nature.
01:43:03.000I think we buy too much vegetables from the store.
01:43:06.000We buy too many vegetables from a box, from a shelf, and we stick it in a plastic bag and we drive it away.
01:43:14.000I think we would all do ourselves a lot of good if we grew some.
01:43:18.000We kind of understood this process like I grow vegetables and I put them in a salad and I chop them up and you know and cook them and eat them and there's something Incredibly satisfying about being there for the entire process knowing that this is a seed I put in the dirt I put the fertilizer up at the water and here it is in a salad and There's a connection to your food To this the life form that you're consuming itself in that way that I don't think you get any
01:43:48.000other way and I think I think that the filter that we've created by civilization by Supermarkets by restaurants and things like that.
01:43:57.000I think it's unhealthy because I think it keeps us from a true complete understanding of our position in this whole thing right that that bear is The only difference between that bear and the space that you're in right now is just distance.
01:44:11.000Like, that bear could be right over there.
01:44:14.000I mean, it's wandering around on the earth.
01:44:29.000And so it stays in that range and it eats the animals that are in that range.
01:44:32.000But not even just terrifying, just the idea that that is a life form that coexists with us.
01:44:37.000And our life form, we have figured out a way to isolate it in these very strange tribal systems, in these communities and civilizations and cities.
01:44:50.000And so that's the most appealing thing about wildlife and wild predators, especially predators, because that's what we're afraid of the most.
01:44:56.000We're afraid of being consumed by one of these things that just consumes.
01:46:54.000I don't need to be feeling like shit all day for the rest of the day thinking, like, how the fuck does everything go so bad that someone's making a YouTube video gunning people down and cutting their head off with a pocket knife?
01:47:10.000You know that that guy lived to be 30-whatever years old before he's shooting this guy and cutting his head off.
01:47:16.000What is his experiences in his life that led him to be at the point where he wants to project this horrific image to the rest of the world to put fear and terror into the eyes of the beholders?
01:48:03.000Because I think if you pretend it doesn't exist, that means that you pretend it doesn't exist in yourself.
01:48:09.000And then all of a sudden you're getting drunk and being an asshole.
01:48:12.000Yeah, a friend of mine sent me an article about this girl who went over to Syria to try to love her way through the country, and she was raped and killed really quickly.
01:48:23.000And when he said it to me, I remember reading this article and thinking, like, why would someone be so naive that they think they could just go and hug all these people and wander through this land, and then she's gang-raped and killed by these Muslim guys.
01:49:06.000That's why the people that are total 100% anti-military, good luck with all that.
01:49:12.000Good luck with it, because what you're saying is you hope for the compassion of all these people in the world that it matches up with yours.
01:49:21.000Because there are parts in the world where these people are 30 years old, and for 30 years they have been exposed to horrific violence, and that is what they do.
01:49:30.000And unless they die, this is just how they behave, and you are going to run into them, and most likely they're going to enact horrific violence on people you know or on you.
01:49:44.000I used to be a total pacifist growing up, so when I was young.
01:49:51.000And, you know, now I recognize that that's unfortunately a beautiful but naive way to go through the world because you just – it's just – it's not realistic to have no military and to think that you never need it because you do.
01:50:06.000You need to be able to show strength and you need to be able to be protected and you need to crush bullshit when it happens in different places.
01:50:32.000You've got some evil fuck who's running an entire country, and he keeps people entirely under his thumb.
01:50:39.000I mean, literally an entire country under this guy's thumb.
01:50:43.000Think about what's going on right now in the Congo.
01:50:45.000Think about what's going on right now all throughout the darker aspects of the world where people are poor and there's violence everywhere.
01:50:54.000There's a lot of places in the world today that are the apocalypse.
01:51:07.000Jesus Christ, they have this video on Liberia, and this guy, they call him General Butt Naked, because he would go into fights naked, and he was part of this...
01:51:18.000Civil war that was going on in Liberia.
01:52:03.000Yeah, sometimes I'll, like, that, the awareness of how much fucked up shit is happening all over the place is when I am tuned into that frequency, like, I feel very overwhelmed and just like, fuck, I don't know what to do with that.
01:52:18.000Not that I have to do anything, but I mean, I don't know what to do with that, because...
01:52:23.000Like, on my show, my show is twice a week, and on a Thursday show, I've started featuring...
01:52:29.000I have a friend of mine who's a dog trainer, and she goes to specifically the Downey Shelter, but other shelters...
01:53:30.000That thing of, like, I want to make the tiniest difference in one little life...
01:53:35.000It's easy for me to just feel overwhelmed to try to even be doing anything because there's always something so much worse.
01:53:44.000Yeah, that's a good way of describing it.
01:53:45.000There is always something so much worse.
01:53:49.000But I think in some weird way that also makes us appreciate when things are good.
01:53:54.000And that's one of the more unique aspects of today is that you can pay attention to some of the horrific parts of the world and go, wow, we are so fucking lucky that we're not trapped in North Korea.
01:54:05.000We're so lucky that we're not living in the Congo.
01:54:08.000We're so lucky that I mean, my friend Justin, he builds wells in the Congo, and he goes to the Congo and he's there for like six months at a time.
01:54:20.000And he's, I mean, he's just a gem of a human being.
01:54:25.000And he is part of this charity called Fight for the Forgotten, where he goes and helps these pygmies build water wells and maintains them for them and stuff like that.
01:54:37.000But this guy's experience when he talks about the horrific plight of these people and all the gone through and all the persecution they've experienced, it just really, you leave and you want to be nicer to people.
01:54:51.000You want to You listen to him talk and you listen to his experiences and you, one, have hope because a guy is willing to leave Dallas, Texas and fly down to the Congo and become a part of these people's lives and try to help them and elevate them.
01:55:05.000So there's all this hope for humanity in that.
01:55:07.000This person that has no real connection with these folks other than just meeting them once and then falling in love with their tribe.
01:55:14.000That is possible, but it also makes you realize, like, God, we're looking for problems today.
01:56:51.000Being there, being in another country where my daily thoughts aren't like, oh, I've got to check Twitter all the time and I've got to do this, like whatever the bullshit of my daily life is.
01:57:02.000Having that instead be replaced with, I'm just trying to remember how to say this word and trying to communicate with people and hoping they can understand me and looking at all this beautiful art and everything that you do.
01:57:17.000It really, upon coming back, I'm finding readjusting into my daily routine is more difficult and I don't want to.
01:57:25.000I don't want to go back to Caring so much about minute bullshit.
01:57:31.000I feel like that's kind of the gift of travel, not local travel, not small trips, but the gift of going to another country or being around people who speak a different language, is that it kind of takes your brain and treats it like a snow globe.
01:57:45.000And then everything kind of gets readjusted.
01:57:47.000And you remember that there's so much more than whatever it is you've been waking up and thinking about.
01:58:04.000The neighborhoods they walk down and live in are different.
01:58:07.000Their established patterns are just different.
01:58:10.000And then when you experience those different patterns and different cultures and different cities, I think it makes you just go, oh yeah, it's a big fucking world.
01:58:20.000Right, because it's so easy to think that your life is very similar to the life that everyone else is living.
01:58:30.000I was thinking, and by the way, it's not like I was in the rainforest or something.
01:58:35.000I recognized I was in a place that, all things considered, is actually pretty similar to where we are, but we went out to Giverny one day and sort of drove through the countryside.
02:00:13.000But I remember driving up there going, Obama is the real enemy of our country.
02:00:21.000These big-ass billboards that people had put up.
02:00:24.000Not just a thought that they had, but they wanted to project it out to everybody driving up there buying apples or whatever the fuck they're buying.
02:01:31.000And then once I got older, I realized why my parents moved there.
02:01:36.000Because I was born in Oakland, and apparently it was getting kind of rough.
02:01:39.000So they fled with the rest of the white people.
02:01:44.000To Orange County, where it's incredibly safe and everything's manicured and the schools are nice and, you know, it's safe being the prominent thing, I think.
02:03:13.000I was like, LA Times today, you know, my stars just...
02:03:16.000I really thought as a freelancer, because then I went to college, freelanced all through college, came back to Orange County, began writing for People and for Rolling Stone, and it happened fast, and I was young, and I was like...
02:04:51.000At a certain point, I was like, the life that I want to lead is headed this way, but the one I'm leading is going this way, and I've got to bridge the gap.
02:05:38.000I remember my band toured and I met this guy.
02:05:41.000I was walking around San Francisco and San Francisco felt like such a city to me.
02:05:45.000I was like, I really want to be in a place that has the feel of a city.
02:05:49.000And I met this guy who worked at the venue that we were playing.
02:05:53.000And he was telling me that he was moving to Brooklyn because San Francisco just wasn't enough of a city for him.
02:06:00.000And I remember that was blowing my mind because I was like, this feels like such a city to me.
02:06:04.000If this isn't a city enough, what am I doing in these cow pastures in Orange County?
02:06:09.000So I made the decision to move and then eventually moved and I was there for about nine years.
02:06:17.000First couple years, much more difficult than I thought.
02:06:23.000I felt weirdly insecure and I hadn't expected to feel socially insecure, but I had left everything I knew.
02:06:29.000I didn't know where I fit in suddenly.
02:06:34.000Especially after having been in the band, like my whole life during the time I was in the band was, and also I wrote about music before I was ever in the band.
02:06:42.000So my life was going to shows or playing shows and I had a group of friends and a community that I really missed once I left them.
02:06:50.000So then I was in New York and I was like, I don't have friends and I don't have a job and I'm freelancing but it's not enough.
02:06:56.000I don't know what I'm doing and I feel very alone and I feel uncomfortable and weird.
02:07:20.000And it was Channel 4, so WNBC. They really liked me and they wanted me to keep coming back and doing it every Saturday morning.
02:07:31.000So initially they were going to have a group of editors doing it and they decided they just wanted me, which I thought was great because I was so destined for greatness.
02:08:13.000I was putting my television clips on YouTube and then I don't know what made me decide one day, like, what if I just recorded myself?
02:08:22.000What if I just did, just talked, you know, did question and answer, like talked directly to my little bit of an audience that I'm beginning to have because I had a blog as well.
02:08:31.000And so I did that and the response to that was so overwhelming.
02:08:35.000I was like, oh, people don't care if it's polished when you're dealing with the internet.
02:08:38.000It's more about the immediacy and it's more about you talking to them.
02:08:41.000So I started getting into that, started doing various web shows.
02:08:44.000And then I created a show called Alison Rosen is Your New Best Friend on Ustream.
02:09:19.000We don't stream on Ustream anymore because We were doing it, and we're trying to do it simultaneously with YouTube, but there's something wrong with our TriCaster.
02:10:50.000And then around the time that I was lying on my parents' couch being like, what the hell did I do?
02:10:56.000Why did I... I don't think that I made the right move and coming back, I got an email from Mike August and I think the entire message was in the subject line and it was just like...
02:11:05.000You know, Adam Crowell show this day, this time, you know, can you come in?
02:11:20.000Do you like doing your own thing better?
02:11:23.000Um, I began doing my own thing while I was still there, and I really enjoy doing my own thing.
02:11:30.000Yeah, I also really liked being on that show, too.
02:11:34.000You know, I'm grateful for the four years that I had there, and there's a lot of positive memories, also a fair amount of things that I think that was fucked up, but...
02:12:27.000And I was like, why do I have those dual competing feelings?
02:12:32.000And I think the reason is because I have mixed feelings about the whole thing.
02:12:36.000Like, there's part of me that's so thankful for my time on the show and thankful that I was given that opportunity and, you know, we toured and I learned so much and I had the best time and all that.
02:13:01.000I think that I still have mixed feelings about everything, but I'm aware of how fortunate I was, and I'm grateful for so much, and I also feel like there were certain elements of it that I think were fucked up, like I said.
02:13:17.000Where was I going with all that, though?
02:13:19.000You were talking about the bad aspects of it.
02:14:51.000I was very, very surprised to find out how wrong I was about how he was feeling about everything.
02:14:59.000And I only found that out because I was fired.
02:15:03.000And then he did an episode where he...
02:15:06.000Talked about everything and it was like I was kind of blown away by all the and I didn't listen to it for a while but people were tweeting me a lot of people were tweeting me these things like why'd you do this why'd you do this and I'm like I didn't do any of that like that is all it's not true and it was when you're saying that you have to explain what you're talking about okay I'm trying to think of like one of the one of the shining exam well Is this going to be
02:15:39.000Simultaneously too much and not enough?
02:15:39.000It is because I think the part that makes me the most uncomfortable is getting into the weeds with all the details because it just sounds so petty.
02:18:42.000I wanted it to set the record straight.
02:18:45.000And someone that I... A mentor, someone that I look up to, but who doesn't come from podcasting, who comes from old media, was like, don't take the bait, Allison.
02:19:51.000And then for the next two months, I chafed against that because it's like, I agree that that is a great position to take.
02:20:00.000But if you have an audience, if you have a podcast, that podcast, depending on the kind of podcast you have, but for the most part, it's predicated on the relationship you have with the listeners and the fact that you are honest with them and you're transparent and you're authentic,
02:20:16.000So all of a sudden, I did not know how to be my authentic, genuine self while also trying to not discuss this thing that was such a big thing, obviously.
02:20:30.000And so I was kind of like vacillating and going back and forth.
02:20:35.000And being authentic in every way other than this one topic that I wasn't talking about.
02:20:39.000And then at a certain point, I'm like, why am I not talking about it?
02:20:42.000It feels so weird to not be talking about it.
02:21:45.000That seems like there was something more to it.
02:21:47.000Because if you guys stopped working together and he just kept you on his network and helped promote you and pumped you up, that seems more amicable.
02:22:34.000When I talk about it, I worry about the fact that I just talked about it.
02:22:37.000And I can't get to the bottom of why that is.
02:22:40.000I mean, like I said before, I think it's because I'm of different minds about it.
02:22:43.000But it might just be because there's so much immediate online response anytime I... That's one of the more difficult things about anything that you're putting out there, whether it's a talk show or a podcast or fucking even an album or anything.
02:23:00.000It's the navigating the response and the social media response, which is just so different than the response that you would have gotten.
02:25:07.000And it's this river that, if you look at it, it looks like a calm, just sort of...
02:25:14.000Meandering river just doesn't look anything exceptional but the way it's cut into the to the ground what you're seeing is not the entire river there's an underlying aspect of it with torrential currents so if you get stuck in it if you go in it you literally can't escape you get smashed up against the rocks and you get killed like here play this oh yeah it looks so plastic yeah look at this play it jamie I reckon it is the most dangerous stretch of water anywhere on
02:26:20.000There isn't any riverbed just below the surface, it's a deep, boiling mass of fast and deadly currents.
02:26:28.000There are claims that falling in has a 100% fatality rate.
02:26:32.000There's no way to confirm that, of course, because a local person doesn't die in river doesn't make the news, but it has claimed a lot of lives.
02:26:40.000There are even tales from the 12th century of a young boy, set to be the future King of Scotland, who died trying to jump across those waters.
02:26:49.000And anything or anyone that falls in might not come out in any recognisable form.
02:26:53.000It could just get pulverised against the rocks underwater over And over and over again.
02:27:00.000I'd try and put a camera in, but then I'd have to get close to the edge.
02:27:04.000And the edge isn't sharp, it just curves towards the water and it's covered in slippery moss.
02:27:11.000Besides, the water is opaque and brown with peat stain.
02:27:26.000The video is much better representation because what they do is they show you what the river looks like at its widest part, which is enormous.
02:27:34.000And then it cuts down into a small area that you can jump across.
02:27:37.000And it's so much water rolling through such a small area.
02:27:42.000That it creates this intense current and just fucking bizarre, right?
02:27:47.000But it's like an optical illusion because it just looks like a stream.
02:28:14.000Even for them, you know, the people that are doing that, a lot of times they don't even realize the harm they're doing to themselves in their own psyche by just lashing out at people.
02:28:25.000He was tweeting at someone I know, like some really negative shit, and I went to his page, and his entire Twitter page was just him shitting on various famous people and trying to get them to respond to him.
02:28:41.000It's got to be incredibly damaging to your self-esteem to be just constantly lashing out at famous people and trying to get them to respond to you, just trying to insult them, trying to troll them.
02:29:09.000Some of it's men, you know, like if you ever ran into a man who's like in his 50s, never had a family, never been married, there's a weirdness to those folks.
02:29:39.000I noticed a fair amount of hate that I was getting years ago.
02:29:48.000I noticed a pattern that I would oftentimes discover, like I would get some shitty comment and then I would go to the person's page and they had a newborn.
02:29:59.000And it was like a lot of brand new dads.
02:31:11.000And you tell me about your life experience, you know, born in, you know, Oakland, moving to Orange County, I got to get out of here, I'm going to ban, but I'm going to leave, now I'm in New York, and you know, and then all these different interactions and different engagements, and then boom,
02:31:27.000And you're the sum total of these experiences and your reflections on these experiences.
02:31:33.000And it's one of the reasons why people that have lived fucked up lives are the most interesting.
02:31:38.000And people that have these mundane self-absorbed existences are the most boring because they really haven't had the trials and tribulations.
02:31:47.000They really haven't had those moments where they had to question themselves and try to figure out what the fuck they're doing with themselves.
02:31:52.000When you do that and you hit those low points and then rebound, that's where life's lessons happen.
02:31:59.000And it's kind of weird as a parent because I don't want my kids to face adversity.
02:32:03.000I want my kids to have a really fun time.
02:32:05.000But I also know that unless they do, unless they do face disappointment and some adversity, at least some, they're not going to get a full...
02:32:39.000How much of my resilience would I have?
02:32:41.000And how much resilience do people have where they don't experience life outside of their very small existence, their very small community, their very small pattern of life experiences?
02:32:56.000That sort of letting my kids go through adversity, that part I know is going to be hard for me because I'm the kind of person where if there's someone in the corner that has an itch, I'm like, let me come over and scratch it for you.
02:35:41.000It's interesting also, not just that, like, the genetic variables, which are truly fascinating, personality variables, all these different things, but also...
02:35:54.000How they interact with each other, which is going to be so much different than how you interact with them and watching kids interact with each other and getting annoyed at each other and trying to work that out and watching their own little personality disputes that they have and how they navigate those and little tools they have.
02:36:11.000Like my youngest one cries at everything.
02:36:13.000Everything is like, I can't believe she did that.
02:37:23.000But no one's getting mad, you know, so it's not like I'm a terrible person, I need to feel awful, but that crying game don't work on daddy.
02:37:30.000Yeah, I like that, the idea that the stakes aren't that high.
02:37:39.000And, you know, I have parents who have that, the stakes are high attitude towards everything, where it's like, the stakes are very low here, but they're just very, you know...
02:37:51.000Prone to anxiety and prone to overreacting people.
02:37:59.000It's also those stakes are entirely dependent upon what's the full extent of the possibilities that things can go right or wrong.
02:38:09.000Right, like what's the worst that could happen?
02:38:11.000And if it's not a big deal, then so it happens just...
02:38:17.000If you're living in the Congo, whatever issue came up wouldn't come up at all.
02:38:20.000I guarantee you these people that are trying to find water don't look at their nose and go, God, I've got to figure out a way to get out of the Congo and get to Beverly Hills, get my fucking nose fixed.
02:38:45.000I felt like the entire time I was on Joe Rogan's podcast, he was judging my nose, and I don't want to talk about it, but I don't want to talk about it.
02:38:52.000So it's like one of those things where I feel like I could say too much or too little simultaneously.
02:39:15.000They're going to subtly Photoshop your nose just slightly bigger.
02:39:18.000And you're going to look at the picture like, oh my god, do I look like that?
02:39:20.000And then you're going to go to the bathroom and look at your nose and go, what the fuck?
02:39:23.000Well, thank you for giving them this bang-up idea.
02:39:26.000Well, I know this guy who photoshops his radio personality and he takes him and he does like these subtle weird things to his face.
02:39:35.000He makes his teeth bigger and he makes them balder and he makes his hands smaller and he makes his shoulders like more narrow but just slightly.
02:39:45.000Well, you look at him and you go, what the fuck is going on with him?
02:39:48.000And it drives the radio guy, I think, probably crazy.
02:39:52.000Does he know that the guy's doing it though?
02:39:54.000Or does he just think that he's becoming disproportional?
02:40:17.000It's weird that you know your ears aren't too big, but if somebody stretches your ears out just a little bit and makes them poke out of your hair, you're like, what the fuck?
02:41:00.000Those things, the ability to manipulate faces and the Photoshop thing and what they do to models, you know, where they thin out their waist and widen their butts.
02:41:09.000Have you seen those reality versus the Photoshop images?
02:41:13.000Yes, it's always overwhelming the amount of stuff that's changed.
02:41:16.000And then, I wish I could remember what I was watching, but it was something where they were showing that they can do this to moving images.
02:41:22.000So movies, you know, like they showed the real version of the actress in whatever movie versus what you saw on screen.
02:41:28.000And it was sort of the equivalent of the photoshopped magazine cover.
02:41:33.000I mean, we're going to get to a point very soon where actors are unnecessary.
02:41:37.000Because if you look at some of the incredible CGI that they're able to do now, where they're so close to absolutely recreating a human being, they're not going to need actors, maybe voiceover actors.
02:41:51.000And then even that, maybe they'll get to their point where their audio software can manipulate the human voice in the same way that you could do with music software, where you could use GarageBand and create songs without knowing any guitars.
02:42:05.000So, actors who are listening, time to start a podcast.
02:43:06.000And then do it line by line out of order.
02:43:11.000That's something I was thinking about recently.
02:43:14.000I think my conception of acting is almost like comes from a theater world where it's like you put on a costume and then you go be a different person for two hours or whatever.
02:43:28.000But I shot this pilot recently And, you know, everything was shot out of order, as things are when they're shot.
02:43:36.000And it kind of gave me this insight into like, oh, so much of the skill is just your ability to pick it up out of order and act it out, even though, you know, it's so piecemeal.
02:46:19.000Maybe that is the difference between, you know, superstar, powerhouse, really compelling acting and just sort of average acting is that they really are living it versus they're acting it out in a moment.