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00:00:13.000I just went to see where the Mothman was, or had been.
00:00:17.000Oh, there wasn't a Mothman convention?
00:00:19.000No, because I was at the Ohio Bigfoot Conference, which was less than two hours away from Point Pleasant, West Virginia, where the Mothman appeared.
00:00:31.000And when I was talking with some of the, you know, Bigfoot researchers, I said...
00:00:36.000Do you do that with air quotes when you say that?
00:00:37.000The researchers, I was talking to them and I said, hey, you know, we're really close to where the Mothman was.
00:00:44.000And they're like, well, the Mothman is not real.
00:06:33.000And then one time, him and his friends got really high, and they just turned this station wagon into a convertible with their Heliar torches, and then they used that.
00:06:57.000So Tony V's going, your brother's certified, but he's never been around my brother.
00:07:02.000So he goes, so Tony and I get back in the car, and we're heading to the car, and Tony sees this woodchuck across the street, and Tony goes, what is that?
00:07:12.000And my brother goes, it's a chucky, it's a woodchuck.
00:07:15.000And then we're not even down the end of the driveway, and we're, blam!
00:07:20.000And Tony's going, I just fingered that woodchuck.
00:07:24.000I go, yeah, man, that woodchuck's dead.
00:13:32.000There was one time where he was eluding the warden and It's just It's just all the story so they took off on a lake which wasn't thought So they lost their car.
00:15:07.000There's this weird thing when you just...
00:15:10.000You know, that's the weird part to me.
00:15:13.000Well, it's dark, because you don't know where it came from, so that sort of, it reduces your responsibility, and you don't really have to look into where the meat came from, and then that's where factory farming comes from, because we're sort of ignorant to...
00:15:29.000And I grew up eating game, you know, venison, and there's seven people in the family.
00:17:19.000Well, when I let my cat out, he will meow.
00:17:22.000Because I don't let him out for long periods of time, but I'll let him out during the day if he wants to wander around the yard, because he'll just hang around the yard.
00:18:08.000And when people started hunting coyotes and killing coyotes and then reintroducing gray wolves into like Yellowstone Park and all sorts of areas in Idaho and North America, that's when the coyotes spread across the entire range of the continental United States.
00:18:23.000Now there's coyotes in every city in the country.
00:18:26.000Yeah, there's coyotes in the Adirondacks in New York now.
00:18:29.000Yeah, when you kill them, they have more babies.
00:18:32.000Like when you hear coyotes screaming at night, what they're doing is like roll call apparently.
00:18:37.000This is all according to this Dan Flores guy.
00:18:39.000And they call out, and when there's less response, like when one of them's missing, it triggers a response in the female to have larger litters.
00:19:04.000And the gray wolves are different than red wolves and a couple other wolves that are pretty much that stayed in steady population numbers in North America.
00:19:13.000Well, when the gray wolves came back in North America, they didn't treat coyotes like friends.
00:19:25.000That's a big thing on the East Coast, which mostly red wolves and coyotes are breeding.
00:19:29.000They're creating a larger, smarter coyote.
00:19:31.000And it's because coyotes really are wolves.
00:19:33.000So when they started doing this, they killed 50% of the coyotes.
00:19:37.000The coyote population dropped down to 50%.
00:19:39.000But then, because they have larger litters when one of them gets killed, now it's ramped up in 20 years, higher than it was before the reintroduction of the wolves.
00:23:45.000You'll connect those things because they happened with you sexually.
00:23:48.000And they sort of imprint in your system.
00:23:51.000And he used it as an example of how someone could get their dick sucked by a guy when they're like 13 or 14 and not even be gay, but really like getting your dick sucked by guys.
00:24:03.000Like you get turned on by like guys sucking guys dicks or something.
00:24:06.000Like you can actually like imprint in your mind.
00:24:09.000But meanwhile you're attracted to women.
00:24:11.000But you have this like weird kink for this one thing.
00:24:33.000Well, obviously, there's some things going on between a person like you or I who doesn't want to hit anybody with a whip and someone who's really into it.
00:24:42.000Yeah, also though, I mean, yeah, there is something different.
00:25:04.000I have a buddy of mine who, him and his girlfriend, they put ball gags on each other and beat the shit out of each other, and they love each other.
00:25:50.000It's not even remotely the same thing.
00:25:53.000Even if it's not even connected with sex, I don't have anything to do with that.
00:25:56.000The idea of martial arts is someone doesn't want to be hit, you're trying to hit them, and it becomes this crazy game with extreme consequences, extreme health consequences.
00:26:06.000There's nothing that's so different than holding someone down with a rape choke and just smacking them in the face over and over again until they start crying while you're fucking them.
00:26:16.000People are into weird shit like that and my brain doesn't understand those connections.
00:26:52.000There was some lying, apparently, by the girls.
00:26:55.000And also, they had 5,000 text messages between the two of them going back and forth about the details of the case and what they should say and what they shouldn't say.
00:27:03.000So, obviously, there was some collusion.
00:27:05.000Obviously, there was some deception or allegedly some deception.
00:27:42.000They're fairly common in criminal cases, defense loyalists.
00:27:45.000Boy, that poor guy lost like 10 years of his life through this whole thing.
00:27:48.000Peace bond isn't unusual as a way to resolve a criminal case as a lawyer in the wake of the news that former CBC broadcaster John Gomeschi is expected to sign one to conclude his second sexual assault case.
00:28:01.000A source who did not want to be identified told CBC News that the case will not go to trial in June as previously scheduled.
00:28:06.000Instead, the charge is expected to be dealt with on Wednesday.
00:28:09.000The incident is alleged to have happened in 2008. Counsel's cases are resolved via peace bond.
00:28:15.000I don't know what the fuck that means.
00:28:52.000Well, also I find that a lot of guys who identify as male feminists, what happened for a lot of them is they had rough childhoods and they were rejected by women.
00:29:02.000So they become this savior of women from all these other asshole-ish men.
00:29:06.000And so they become the guy that's different.
00:29:13.000But they're a weak guy, and they're suffering from the trauma of, like, I have a friend, it's not a friend anymore, but I had a friend when I was younger who had, he wasn't an attractive guy, and he would have real issues with women not like him.
00:29:30.000And he started, over the course of the six to seven years that I knew him, he started associating women with pain.
00:29:37.000Like, they would reject him and they would be mean to him.
00:29:40.000And he was going to all the wrong places, like going to like, you know, hot spots and getting bottle service and, you know, and that was the type of people he was attracting.
00:29:48.000And so they just wanted to have his drinks and not want to have sex with him.
00:29:52.000And he would associate women with pain and frustration and rejection.
00:29:57.000And so he started becoming this angry guy.
00:30:00.000And I watched this sort of metamorphosis.
00:30:37.000And so I think a lot of these guys that identify as male feminists, I think they're just pussies.
00:30:44.000And what happened is when they were young, they got walked over, they got trampled, and they're trying to figure out what is the pattern of behavior that I have to follow for me to separate myself from these men that have ruined these girls' lives.
00:33:15.000The actual reality pay gap, it's very minor.
00:33:19.000There's only a few jobs where women actually do get paid less than men.
00:33:22.000What the pay gap is, is overall judging how much money women make versus how much money men make, and not taking into account what jobs they do, what jobs men tend to gravitate towards naturally versus what jobs women tend to gravitate towards naturally.
00:33:39.000But when they're in the same job with the same sort of production, their actual pay scale is very similar.
00:33:46.000It's real tricky, man, because you can't deny that some people that are a certain gender, like, they gravitate towards certain occupations.
00:33:55.000And those occupations might have higher risk.
00:34:02.000And then you have to take into account women taking time off for raising children, for being pregnant, all those things, having babies, maternity leave.
00:34:09.000That all gets factored in when you're talking about how much time or how much money people actually make.
00:34:15.000So if you say women should be paid maternity leave and they should get X amount of money from a corporation, then you're dealing with a totally different argument.
00:34:23.000And if you do that, then the pay scale changes.
00:34:29.000Everybody should get paid for the same exact money for the same job.
00:34:33.000Even still, more men want to do certain jobs in engineering and science, and then when it comes to really dangerous jobs, men are much more likely to die on the job.
00:34:43.000Men are much more likely to be murdered by other men.
00:34:47.000There's a lot of weird shit that has to get factored in.
00:36:42.000You know, it's all based on an actual true story, that this guy Steve Rinello from that Meat Eater podcast, who's actually a historian himself in a way, he told me the story, the actual story, where they really did leave this guy for dead, and he really did crawl for a couple miles and figured out a way to survive and got to that guy and killed him.
00:38:13.000Willow Creek, if people haven't seen it, it's Bob's Bigfoot movie, which we're going to get back to Bigfoot.
00:38:18.000Well, when Willow Creek came out, I was in the middle of my Bigfoot phase, where it was just ending.
00:38:25.000And what killed it for me was when I did that sci-fi show with Duncan Trussell, and we went to the Pacific Northwest and hung out with a few Bigfoot hunters for a week.
00:38:33.000And after a while, we were like, dude...
00:40:26.000He tells it like it actually happened?
00:40:28.000Yeah, one of the things interesting about him is that he talks about the amount of time he actually got to see Bigfoot versus Roger Patterson who was scrambling around with the camera.
00:41:55.000I say to my agents, because they're always looking for me to try to do something that makes money, so I go, hey, I got this idea for a TV show I want to talk to John Lannis about.
00:42:13.000I'm writing an article for a magazine and I was wondering if you'd like to talk to me about this rumor about you possibly being in the Patterson-Gimlin footage, you know, in a suit playing Patty.
00:46:47.000If it's not, I don't understand what the...
00:46:54.000The, you know, what is this mass thing that I'm a part of?
00:46:58.000You know, I've had guys after the movie, like, you know, I have like people that come up to me and they're almost like, I mean, maybe they're trying to get a connection with me, but I also feel like they're relieved to tell someone this.
00:48:57.000And also, the canopy keeps light from coming in.
00:49:00.000So if you saw, first of all, the fear that would go through your mind, if you saw a seven-foot black bear walking on its hind legs through the woods, and you saw it in between trees, your mind would fill in the blanks.
00:49:11.000And Bigfoot has become this archetypal cultural icon.
00:49:17.000That is something that I, not only Bigfoot, but almost all archetypal characters.
00:50:10.000I think that thing lived alongside people.
00:50:13.000For a long time, and I think when you talk about Native American folklore, when they talk about Bigfoot, apparently they have many, many words for Sasquatch.
00:50:26.000And I think that what they're probably doing is passing on thousands of years of data.
00:50:32.000We don't know when the last time Gigantopithecus was alive, because they didn't know Gigantopithecus was even an animal.
00:50:39.000Until the 1920s, I believe it was, they went to an apothecary shop in China and an anthropologist found a tooth that he couldn't attribute to any other known primate.
00:50:50.000He asked the people where they got it from.
00:50:51.000They told them where they got it from.
00:50:52.000They went to the actual area where they got these bones and they found jaw bones that would indicate the animal was bipedal.
00:50:59.000And that's where things got really interesting because you're dealing with some bipedal, enormous animal that was most likely At least 8 feet tall.
00:51:11.000I mean, we know the gorillas are huge, and we know that, you know, there's the Bondo ape, which is this enormous chimpanzee that has just recently been confirmed to live in the Congo.
00:51:20.000They have a chimpanzee in the Congo that's like 6 feet tall, 400 pounds.
00:54:30.000Look, the guys that took me in and Duncan, the guys we hung out with from the, what is it, the Sasquatch Research Foundation, I don't know what the fucking name their organization is.
00:54:43.000And I also love it because, to me, it's a microcosm of faith.
00:54:50.000There's the people that see it and believe, there's people that have never seen it, and then just like any other belief in a deity, everybody's got their own version, and everybody thinks their version's right, and I love that, that there's all this infighting.
00:55:07.000While I was there, I would start asking people about Well, what do you think about Dog Man?
01:02:27.000I'm working on a couple different things I'm not going to discuss, but one of the things I can discuss is I'm doing a short doc on the Washington Generals, the team that played the Globetrotters.
01:08:42.000I'm not saying it's not impossible, because there was people being pulled behind a truck with a rope, so the spacing of the feet, and then you've got enough force, because you do have to put a lot of pressure in to make this.
01:08:56.000But here's the weird part, and this isn't proof, but what I was really surprised with, because we made footprints in Willow Creek and did it the way you would think, you know, carved wood, put them on your feet.
01:09:11.000Really hard to take that That second stride.
01:12:56.000People have put suggestions into people's heads and then put them in certain situations, and then their mind actually sees things that aren't there.
01:13:07.000Also, when you have memories of things, if your memories correspond with other people's memories, you'll adjust your memories to correspond to an iconic or archetypal type of story that people are passing around.
01:13:19.000And so if you have a story that emanates from one particular region and one guy shows up at the corner store and goes, man, you ain't gonna believe this.
01:13:32.000And then people start getting crazy, and they're sitting around drinking, and the next thing you know, Petey saw the Mothman.
01:13:38.000I was coming home, I was leaving the bar, I was all mad, and all of a sudden, I saw a man with moth wings, and I stopped thinking about my own troubles, and I said, man, this might be a demonic area.
01:15:49.000Couldn't have been a bear, couldn't have been anything else, and he really believes that it was a Sasquatch to the point where he's dedicated weeks and weeks to going out into the woods.
01:16:11.000The guy that Les Stroud is hanging around with put a fucking mask on and got close-up video footage of him standing there even blinking with this fucking stupid fake mask.
01:18:52.000See, I talked to this guy, Todd Disotel, who's a biologist, and we did some tests on all these different things that people thought were Bigfoot shit, Bigfoot hair.
01:20:33.000And we're talking about insane amounts of acreage that people just don't live in.
01:20:38.000From Oregon all the way down to the Northern California range.
01:20:42.000So, I mean, that's the part that when I started going around and I went in that deep, I was like, wow, this is, it's crazy how remote that is.
01:20:53.000But the shitty stories, the fake footage, the fake footprints, all the fakeness makes me wonder if you're just dealing with a myth that is kind of cool to talk about because it exists in this very strange environment.
01:22:06.000And I really think it has to do with Gigantopithecus.
01:22:09.000And if you follow where Gigantopithecus was, Gigantopithecus was in Asia, and just like all the other animals came across the Bering Strait...
01:22:17.000If they did come across the Bering Strait, they would be exactly in the area where the sightings are, from Alaska all the way down the Pacific Northwest, Vancouver, northern BC. Those are the areas where you have the BC Rockies.
01:22:32.000Those are the areas you have the most sightings.
01:22:33.000But those are areas where the bears are.
01:22:36.000You know, it's the same range as these black bears.
01:22:39.000So I think it's entirely possible that at one point in time there was something like that that made it over here along with human beings.
01:22:50.000And you believe that this is like a subconscious sense memory that has gone from generation to generation?
01:23:01.000I think it's just stories that get passed down, and those stories become ingrained in our head, and then we go looking for it.
01:23:07.000And I think it's entirely possible that written language is like, how long has spoken language been around for?
01:23:15.000I want to say it's like 40,000 years, but I might be wrong.
01:23:18.000I think spoken language is like 40,000 years old, which is not really that long.
01:23:24.000Which means spoken language most likely was around somewhere around the time that animal existed.
01:23:31.000Like if they didn't know that Gigantopithecus existed at all until the 1920s, and the bones that they got from this one area were dated at about 100,000 years old.
01:23:44.000It's entirely feasible that these animals could have survived another 30, 40, 50, who knows how many thousands of years until it eventually became extinct.
01:23:53.000So if that's the case, I think people probably experienced them.
01:23:57.000They probably came in contact with them.
01:24:00.000And there's also, there was a bunch of different bears that existed.
01:24:06.000Was it a flathead or a flat-faced bear?
01:24:09.000I forget what it's called, flat-nosed bear, flat-faced bear, but it was a prehistoric bear that existed in the Pleistocene that was such a formidable predator, apparently, according to Dan Flores, that he thinks it impeded the progress of people from Asia to North America.
01:24:28.000It was a huge, like the biggest bear, like as big as a Kodiak grizzly.
01:24:33.000So that these enormous bears, flathead bear, short-faced bear, that's it.
01:25:36.000And a lot of the First Nation people up in Canada, like I have a buddy of mine who lives up in Canada, and he hunts bears, and he trades with First Nation people.
01:25:46.000They won't hunt bears, but they want bear fat for their medicine, and they use it to make pies and a bunch of different things.
01:25:53.000You know, like bear lard is like very prized, but they won't hunt bears themselves.
01:25:58.000Weird religious stuff, like weird cultural stuff.
01:26:01.000They believe that it's like an ancestor that's come back.
01:26:04.000They have some interesting ideas about bears.
01:27:53.000It was too dark even for us to shoot the big male bear Because it was just it was wasn't enough visibility wouldn't be ethical to do but it was fascinating to watch like she was protecting her babies from predation from another bear and she and she Scared it up.
01:28:08.000Yes, but here's what happened Not with this bear, but in the same time we were there, one bear came in and one of the guides saw it happen, got a hold of one of the cubs, killed it in front of everybody, was eating it.
01:28:20.000Then she chased him off, and then she finished her own cub.
01:29:58.000You know, he would clean the deer in the garage, and he had this idea that he was going to take the skin off, so he sliced the, you know, he was going to peel the skin off of the deer.
01:30:35.000It's like Tommy's in the garage dismantling Rudolph with his Volkswagen bug.
01:30:45.000I had this conversation with these guys from this documentary, Cowspiracy, and it was all really heavy, and it's really about factory farming, which I think is disgusting, and I think pretty much everybody does, and the ag-gag laws, which are even more disgusting,
01:31:01.000which are these laws that are in place to keep you from taking video footage of any atrocities.
01:31:06.000And then I went home, and I turned on that Steve Rinella guy's show, And he was showing how to butcher a deer.
01:31:13.000And one of the ways they did it was they take a rock and they wrap the hide up in this rock and then tie it off.
01:31:22.000And then tie that rope on that rock to a truck.
01:32:16.000It's one of the things I think is really devious about what the Bush administration did when they passed laws that kept people from taking photographs of coffins.
01:36:01.000Nobody's ever said, quick, give me a Mormon.
01:36:04.000Did you hear about the guy who was writing a blogger, who was writing a piece about Ted Cruz's connection, his father's connection to the death of Lee Harvey Oswald?
01:37:20.000And, you know, the guy even wrote, hey, if I'm not around anymore, you know, this is what happened, and this is the story, but...
01:37:27.000People do that kind of shit before they kill themselves.
01:37:30.000That's part of the problem, because they think there's a real story, and one of the things, they're all depressed, and they think, one of the things that I'm going to do, I'm going to make this story happen, I'm going to blow my brains out, and they're going to think that, you know, they're going to look into this, because they're going to think that I was whacked by the man, like, as if anybody is running around killing people over Lee Harvey Oswald's death today.
01:39:27.000Earlier this year, the Cruz campaign posted hours of this footage on YouTube.
01:39:31.000By law, campaigns can't coordinate with super PACs, so many quietly post raw videos like this on public websites as a way to share material legally.
01:39:39.000But it lets us take a rare peek behind the scenes at the strange world of political ad making.
01:39:44.000Give me a couple lines from Green Exit.
01:41:52.000I forgot about this, and recently I was doing a show, a stand-up show, and the guy in the booth played it, Avery, and in my mind it was lot, lot, it was way more chill.
01:42:06.000Arsenio Hall got cancelled, and this is footage of me going on the show.
01:42:14.000What I want to know is, do I still have to keep kissing your ass?
01:45:57.000Um, I haven't seen the car show and stuff.
01:45:59.000Well, a lot of comics felt betrayed because he was this guy who was kind of like the hip smart voice of like mocking a lot of the stupid shit that we saw in the world.
01:46:10.000And then all of a sudden he gets this tonight show gig and he becomes Mr. Living Room.
01:46:51.000I had him on the podcast, and he was like, yeah, I mean, I would have these, you know, he couldn't pick who was on The Tonight Show.
01:46:56.000So they would put people on, like, from reality shows, and he'd be like, he'd have to say, so, are you and her ever going to get married, or what's going to happen?
01:47:55.000And he was going through a bad divorce, so he's like, I got this thing, I'm going to blackmail Letterman and let his current girlfriend, the woman who became his wife, about this, he's going to blow up the whole thing.
01:48:07.000And I love that Letterman, what the guy never, ever, ever thought of, what if the guy just does the right thing?
01:50:25.000I smoke all this coke, because that's how I roll, baby.
01:50:29.000Everybody's like, I fucking love this guy.
01:50:31.000But meanwhile, if someone had footage of him smoking crack and out there banging hookers, people would be like, oh my god, his career is over.
01:50:40.000Yeah, and he would say, I gotta put a spin on this.
01:50:43.000Yeah, there would be some sort of recovery.
01:50:47.000What's really interesting is the Charlie Sheen thing, we're finding out that the whole tailspin that he went through in like 2012 was because he found out he had HIV. That's really part of what this all was about.
01:51:00.000And that's what the most recent blackmail attempts against him was.
01:51:05.000Apparently he's paid millions of dollars to quiet this down.
01:51:08.000And he had all these sexual partners and didn't tell them, I guess.
01:51:11.000So there's all sorts of other lawsuits and all sorts of craziness involved.
01:51:14.000But that's what set him off and what made him say, fuck it.
01:51:18.000I'm just going to go out and tell everybody everything.
01:51:20.000And it was because he had HIV. It's really nuts.
01:51:26.000I was thinking of someone else's story at the same time.
01:51:32.000I think we're just so used to this filter that when someone is just generally honest and saying that that is actually the most powerful thing and it takes all the sting out.
01:51:51.000I think people are way more concerned with deception than they are with folly.
01:51:57.000They're way more concerned with deception than they are with people fucking up, with people making mistakes.
01:52:03.000Well, I think it's funny when people will talk.
01:52:06.000I mean, not that it was a big deal that I set the Leno show on fire, but people now will come up to me and say, they'll be like, Or stories appear that say I was banned from The Tonight Show.
01:53:20.000Look, if someone hit one with a car, and it died, and they had definitive proof that there is a real gigantopithecus, and you see some fucking, you know, land cruiser that's smashed by some gigantic ape that just wandered out of the forest, holy shit, I'd be happy.
01:53:49.000I could honestly say it would be one of the happiest moments of my life if they found a Bigfoot, if they captured a Bigfoot.
01:53:57.000I mean, if we were watching on television and we were seeing some footage from some containment area where they had these giant steel bars like Kong and they had this huge...
02:00:06.000Listening to someone telling me a story that That they believe is true.
02:00:12.000I don't think it's someone lying to me.
02:00:14.000It's my favorite part of finding Bigfoot, when they go to some town community, some community in some small town, and they start talking to them in the community center and asking them, how many of you here have had a Bigfoot encounter?
02:00:26.000And they know the camera's there, so they're all like...
02:00:43.000They didn't know what it was going to be until they got out there.
02:00:45.000So they'd be standing there, and then I'd say, all right, here's the deal.
02:00:47.000You are a news reporter, and you have been sent here to do a report on someone who has seen a UFO. The problem is that person took off.
02:00:59.000So you need to find a person on the street that will admit that they saw a UFO and they have to tell you that they were taken aboard that UFO and probed.
02:01:08.000If you can get someone to do that on camera, you'll win.
02:01:18.000And I was watching these people, and that was the first straw in what broke the camel's back to me, that a lot of these stories are bullshit.
02:01:25.000Because I was watching these people come up with these fucking stories on the fly.
02:02:06.000If people find out that they're going to be interviewed and they find out that they're on camera, they will do all kinds of crazy things to comply with whatever the narrative is.
02:02:21.000And so when you're interviewing people and ask them about UFOs or ask them about Bigfoot, just the camera and the fact that you're filming alone, it changes the reality of whatever their story would or wouldn't be.
02:02:35.000It becomes a giant factor in whatever the story is, the fact that there's a camera on them.
02:02:43.000Well, I believe on the other side of things, after doing Call Me Lucky, I learned a lot about, and you probably know this obviously already, most people want to tell you their story.
02:02:57.000And most people, do you know what I mean?
02:03:15.000And I learned when I was doing that doc that the key was that I had to shut up and I had to listen, which as a nightclub comedian was really hard.
02:03:36.000When guys come in, and women, they come in the green room, and you're in their club, you're in their hometown, and there's a whole bunch of local guys, and they're nice and stuff.
02:03:44.000But when they start talking about stand-up, does it bore you to tears, or are you engaged in it?
02:09:40.000I'm not sure if it's a gene or what, but sadly his brain was riddled with this.
02:09:46.000And so when I think about that, I think about how strong he was You know, you would have, like, some days...
02:09:54.000You'd have a lot of days where he was doing kind of OCD stuff and processing things incorrectly, but then you'd have a day where he was back.
02:10:23.000And people die from depression and my heart goes out to them, but that's not what killed him.
02:10:32.000He really was getting misinformation from his own brain and was suffering from this disease.
02:10:39.000So, I just put that out there because folks know that we're friends and they'll ask me about it and I would like a spotlight put on the disease that actually, in my mind, was what was responsible for his demise.
02:10:56.000Because, you know, a lot of people say, did you ever talk about suicide?
02:12:35.000So, like, when this guy was saying, one of the reasons why it pissed me off, because this guy was saying that, you know, he's in financial ruins.
02:13:51.000One of the scariest things is talking to someone who's, whether it's a loved one, a father, mother, that's losing their grip.
02:13:59.000And I think people were, they were courteous to a point, but I don't think they take his kids into consideration and friends and people who worked with him for all these years.
02:14:12.000And I guess I can't expect them to, you know?
02:14:14.000I mean, I'm sure I've taken shots at people when they pass away, but it's just, it's like people would come up and they go, did you hear what...
02:14:40.000Everyone else is talking about them like I saw a lot of that with Prince when it was revealed that Prince was suffering through Opiate addiction.
02:14:49.000Yeah, and I was like there was like even Gene Simmons said some crazy shit and he had to apologize and I'd seen some other people say it too But what it's almost like it's a crunch a contrarian thing like everyone else is saying oh my god We lost this genius.
02:15:51.000But I mean, it wasn't like the situation with Robin, but I did have times in my life where I... Spent hours with Kurt with no one else sitting around talking and laughing, you know.
02:16:51.000If I didn't know that you're this nuanced guy that's very thoughtful and you have a lot of opinions and you're always considering all sorts of...
02:17:26.000You know, I get up, the squirrels are up before I do, and I beat them down, and then it turns.
02:17:33.000And when I'm directing on a set, I'm like, I can react in fear, or I can just sit here for a second or two, and it always usually works out.
02:17:41.000Very rarely do I have to say, no, man.
02:17:46.000I think so much of show business is based on fear and people thinking someone's going to say, you screwed up or you didn't do it right or you didn't get extra takes and all that stuff.
02:17:55.000But man, my job is really not to freak out.
02:18:20.000Quit everything that doesn't feel right.
02:18:22.000That doesn't, you know, when I made the decision not to go on auditions, it was scary, and it became the best thing that ever happened to me.
02:18:29.000All of a sudden I'm freed up and I'm writing screenplays and I'm doing, you know...
02:18:33.000It's like, why am I trying to get on, you know, Who's Your Daddy or whatever the fuck, you know what I mean?
02:18:38.000Or A Bird in the Hand or whatever the fuck.
02:18:47.000I mean, it's interesting now to see the stuff you're doing.
02:18:50.000And the funny thing to me is, like, someone in an interview said...
02:18:53.000Because I make them about a movie every year, every year and a half, and they're like, so what is the, you know, what is, who are you competing with?
02:19:02.000What other filmmaker are you competing with?
02:19:04.000I'm like, I'm competing with the Grim fucking Reaper.
02:19:06.000I just figured this out like 10 years ago, what I want to do.
02:19:22.000You know, and I write a lot, and I write screenplays that'll never get made, but I just write them to get them out of me, you know?
02:19:30.000Well, listen, man, that's what it's about, really.
02:19:33.000It's about whatever it is that you're compelled to do, that you can do, that you're talented at, and then pursuing that, and just fuck all the rest of it, you know?
02:20:09.000Well, there's just, I guess that's with anybody that's been in the public eye for a long period of time, especially, again, a guy like you, that's a nuanced guy.
02:20:20.000There's happy stuff, and there's anger, and there's silly shit, and there's mockery, and then there's really important points that you want to make.
02:20:36.000If I was on a set and I felt people weren't having an enjoyable time, not that it needs to be a party, but if people felt compromised, it would really bother me.
02:23:30.000Because, yeah, I don't think I've ever come forward with that story.
02:23:33.000But, yeah, I'm witness to that insanity.
02:23:37.000Well, as the show became more and more successful, apparently what had happened was advertisers were skittish about being involved, even though...
02:23:44.000Even though it was gangbusters ratings.
02:23:46.000They still were like, he keeps saying the N-word, and Toyota doesn't really want to be involved with the N-word, we don't know what to do.
02:24:05.000It's one of my greatest accomplishments as an actor, because I don't really like much of what I did except for news radio, but one of the greatest accomplishments, me, is like, I feel like I was on the greatest show of all time.
02:24:15.000I did a couple sketches on the greatest show of all time.
02:24:17.000I really think that show was the all-time most innovative and hilarious sketch comedy show ever.
02:24:23.000From the haters' ball, like the haters' convention, To the black, blind, white supremacist.
02:25:14.000With Chappelle, all those sketches were unique and unusual.
02:25:18.000Yeah, and it was also kind of, the funny thing was also in the editing process, following the ball, like we would discover stuff that was just funny in the,