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00:01:25.000I just want to be clear on where I stand.
00:01:28.000So this guy basically raped a 12-year-old girl, and really brutal, the details of the story, and she defended the guy, and there's tape of her in an interview Talking about this years later.
00:01:44.000Now it's still, it's back in the day, it's when Hillary Clinton's doing like a southern accent.
00:01:47.000There's been like six different Hillary Clintons that have existed.
00:01:50.000This was the southern wife of Bill Clinton, Hillary.
00:01:53.000When he was the mayor or governor of Arkansas back in those days.
00:02:20.000I mean, she's laughing about the details of the rape case and how she got the guy off.
00:02:26.000And she laughs about how funny it is when she basically admits that she knew the guy was guilty because she's going like, oh, we convinced the jury.
00:03:20.000They don't go looking for it, because there's a lot you'd have to look through.
00:03:24.000I mean, you'd have to go through all the Whitewater stuff, you'd have to go through all that Vince Foster stuff, you'd have to try to find...
00:03:29.000There's a lot of weird stuff about them and their past that you'd have to sort through.
00:03:33.000How much of this is legit, how much isn't.
00:03:38.000And you have to filter out, like, the just nonsense.
00:03:40.000Because that's the problem with where we're at now, is that the truth is out in the internet, but it's sandwiched in between a whole bunch of nonsense.
00:03:47.000And so you gotta, like, get that out of the way.
00:03:49.000Yeah, and the conspiracy theories would say that nonsense is there on purpose.
00:03:52.000Yes, that's right, because every conspiracy theorist, as it turns out, when I read more conspiracy theorists, it turns out they were just working for the conspiracy, and they're against Alex Jones, they all think now is working for it.
00:04:10.000Well, that's a fun thing when you get into stuff that people think is a conspiracy, and then you're like, oh, no, no, no, it's just a crazy guy.
00:04:16.000Well, I've heard conspiracies that involve me.
00:04:18.000And so when I hear that, I go, oh, I see how you...
00:04:21.000I've read some shit about me being a CIA agent.
00:04:24.000Like, yeah, what a circuitous route I took.
00:04:26.000I went from kickboxing to stand-up comedy, all the while secretly undercover for the CIA. We're going to plant him in news radio, and before you know it, he'll be leading public opinion.
00:04:38.000Eddie Bravo thinks that it's perhaps possible, perhaps, that Laurel Canyon was all about CIA psyops and Jim Morrison and all these musicals.
00:05:01.000But the idea is that all these influential people came out of this Laurel Canyon area, and Jim Morrison's dad was in the CIA. And my take is like, Jesus Christ, you know how busy CIA dads are?
00:05:39.000I feel like with a lot of those conspiracy theories, my take on it is you have the government, it's almost like if the government was a person, you could be like, okay, we've got them on murdering these 50 people, and we have it cold hard, they clearly did it.
00:05:53.000And then you're like, yeah, but I heard a rumor that they also murdered another 100 people.
00:05:57.000Can we just focus on what we know they did?
00:06:00.000We're slaughtering people in the Middle East.
00:06:01.000We don't need to make up all this other nonsense.
00:08:22.000That's why believing, which is a much more common belief out of the conspiracy thing, but believing that population's a problem is crazy because, like you said, you never know when that...
00:08:31.000You know, they'll, like, environmentalists, they'll be like, well, if we have too many people, then there's too big a carbon footprint.
00:08:37.000But you're like, yeah, except until we have the one person who figures out how to save all of us.
00:09:05.000But what you said before, when you're talking about the stuff with the Clinton tape, and you said why, you know, is it that people are, they need to find the information?
00:09:15.000Because, say, if they made this a story on the news, like, if every day they were playing, it's amazing the power the media has to choose what story we're gonna make The story.
00:09:26.000And what story will maybe get mentioned here and then fade into obscurity.
00:09:32.000So the media could make that a story that everyone has to deal with.
00:09:35.000But I've found there's a lot of denial.
00:09:39.000Like when I talk to liberals or Hillary supporters, and I'll bring that stuff up.
00:09:43.000And there's a lot of like, yeah, well, whatever.
00:10:37.000There's atheism, and then there's these people that are super religious.
00:10:41.000There's all this God, Christian stuff on the right, and then on the left, it's like atheism is their God.
00:10:47.000And I don't mean it in their God as like it's an actual religion.
00:10:50.000I mean, you almost kind of have to be in that group to be on that side.
00:10:55.000It's this weird thing that's going on, where you've got People that are subscribing to atheism nothing wrong with atheism.
00:11:02.000It's not what I'm saying I'm just saying guys It's so universal on the left that it seems to me to be a trait that you attribute with this tribe Like almost so you have to accept this trait right and then I think and I guess that's maybe a criticism I have of like Sam Harris and I know you had him on your show recently But I think a lot of those guys who got themselves like in this camp of we're the atheists We're the ones committed to rational thought and religion is terrible And now,
00:11:28.000they'll look at things like the wars in the Middle East, and it just seems like, to me, it seems like they have a tendency to always try to blame the religiously motivated violence.
00:11:37.000Because I think they've kind of got themselves on, like, team anti-religion.
00:11:42.000So the Muslims have to be worse than the American military, because they're the religious ones.
00:11:47.000We're, like, sophisticated and advanced, and everything about the U.S. military is built on, like, science and reason and thought, and these are crazy Muslims who are just maniacs.
00:11:57.000So we have to blame them, even though, if you look at the numbers of dead, it's pretty staggeringly one-sided.
00:12:31.000A very big percentage, and then a very big percentage of the hardcore supporters, the people who are really hardcore, the evangelical base that voted for George W. Bush, a big part of that support is this goofy religious belief that we need to be pro-Israel because the Jews need to be in Israel,
00:12:49.000and then Jesus can come back for us, and if some Muslims gotta get slaughtered in the process, well, this is how it's supposed to go, so we gotta protect that.
00:12:58.000There's a lot of that weird shit on our side as well.
00:13:00.000A lot of weird old southern money that goes into that.
00:13:51.000It's almost like you have to be a part of something that's religious to get in on the right side.
00:13:57.000Like, Glenn Beck became a Mormon when he was like 50. Like, hey dude, come on, did you even read it?
00:14:03.000Did you read any of the history about Joseph Smith being 14 when he made all this shit up?
00:14:08.000And the magic seer stone that he had to use to read the golden tablets that contained the lost work of Jesus that only he could read with this rock?
00:14:16.000I'm torn between whether I hate Mormonism for that or I love them for that.
00:14:19.000I'm like, hey, if we're gonna bullshit, let's just go bullshit like, yeah, Jesus, he lived in Kansas.
00:14:27.000Well, the American Indians were actually from Israel.
00:14:29.000That was another one of his, that this guy spent a ton of money.
00:14:33.000You know, we were talking with, when Sam was here the other day, we were talking about how 15 years ago it was like billions of dollars to get your genome mapped.
00:14:40.000Now it's like a couple thousand bucks.
00:14:42.000And we were talking about how crazy that is.
00:14:46.000Well, a few years back, before it became that cheap, some dude spent a fuckton of money, it was a Mormon, to try to prove that the Mormon scriptures were in fact correct, and the American Indians did come.
00:15:15.000The merge or the movement, migration of people from Asia to North America and down into Mexico, and it's really fucking cool when you find out that it's Not that long ago.
00:17:46.000The Northwood thing is just a fascinating glimpse into the mindset of the people who are on the inside, who really do view the world as pawns on a chessboard.
00:17:56.000And if a lie is what it took to get the geopolitical result that they wanted and some Americans had to die or whatever, that's not a big deal.
00:18:06.000I think people should be aware of that.
00:18:07.000Like anyone, a lot of times, like you were talking about getting in the team mentality, people kind of have this team mentality and they're like, well, they don't, you know, if someone's willing to just slaughter people in a third world country to make their buddies rich, I'd be careful with them around your kids too.
00:18:22.000You know, like they're probably looking at everybody like they're pawns on a board, not just those guys.
00:18:26.000Yeah, I think people learn really quickly how to disassociate.
00:18:31.000They learn how to not think about that, especially when you're using like drone technology and stuff.
00:18:36.000You're flying a robot and shooting missiles out of a robot and you're watching it all on a screen.
00:18:41.000How easy is it to distance yourself from that if you're the person, not even who's pushing the button, but who gave the order to give the okay?
00:18:48.000You know, and when I talked to Mike Baker on here was a former CIA operator.
00:18:51.000Yeah, I've been on a few Fox News shows with him.
00:18:53.000You told me all that stuff is done by lawyers.
00:18:55.000They all decide, like, can we do this?
00:19:04.000When you're leaving military matters and whether or not you attack with a flying robot to lawyers, arguably the most heartless creatures we've ever created in our capitalist society.
00:19:16.000And by the way, that's who's running government, right?
00:22:23.000Yeah, and there's a reason they prefer an 18-year-old to a 30-year-old.
00:22:26.000I mean, there's a reason they prefer, you know, someone who's still in just as good fighting shape, you know, essentially.
00:22:31.000But when you're 18, you're in a different place, your levels are at a different place, and your willingness to follow orders, I think, is in a different place.
00:22:43.000You know older people being wiser if they've had enough experiences, but we're all gathering experiences gathering experiences and then Calculating trying to figure okay.
00:22:54.000Oh, I see how it goes You know, that's why as people get older they get less and less tolerant of certain things because they see these things over and over and over again And they recognize these patterns and you get more confident in your assertion of that pattern because you're like I've seen this That's bullshit six times now.
00:23:19.000Because after a while you go, oh, I see.
00:23:23.000You know, and it's not black and white when it comes to that issue, but when you're dealing with something that, you know, a human being that gathers up this data.
00:23:44.000That's probably what they're basing it on.
00:23:46.000They think their life's gonna be some fucking Tom Hanks movie.
00:23:49.000They're gonna come back and cry to their kids when they're younger, when they're older rather, about, you know, I served in the war, served my country, did my country proud.
00:23:58.000Like, you're in a crazy situation where you're killing people you don't know because someone you don't know told you you're supposed to kill people you don't know.
00:24:06.000It's just they figure it out when they see that real shit that you're talking about.
00:24:09.000Because, you know, there is also, that's another thing that's very, very downplayed, but should have been maybe the biggest story in, at least one of the biggest stories in the last ten years, was that Ron Paul, in the 2008 run and in the 2012 run, both runs, he got more money,
00:24:25.000more donations from active duty military people than all of the other candidates.
00:24:30.000He got more than all the Republican candidates combined in 2012. And he outraised Barack Obama both times.
00:24:37.000So it's like there's actually a lot of people in the military who see through this bullshit and were very happy to have like the only...
00:24:45.000I mean, Ron Paul to me is like the only...
00:24:48.000Politician on a presidential level in recent memory who has been unapologetically anti-war.
00:24:53.000And not just like this hasn't worked, like this is a bullshit racket.
00:25:00.000Yeah, when you get that many active military on your side, you really have to really think, well, these are the people that are dealing with this issue.
00:25:53.000Well, it works out pretty great if you're a weapons company that's making more money than ever.
00:25:56.000Or if you wanted to keep this military budget...
00:26:00.000You know, liberals were all outraged over George W. Bush's military budgets, and Obama greatly expanded those.
00:26:07.000And so, yeah, if you're making tons of money off it, it works out great to have kind of this vague concept that we're fighting a war against.
00:26:14.000I do think terrorism, obviously, like you said, exists.
00:26:17.000I think terrorism, as Pat Buchanan said, is the price of empire.
00:26:23.000And this is what we're going to be dealing with as long as we want to have an empire in the Middle East.
00:26:27.000Right, but now it's not like one particular enemy.
00:26:30.000It's this vague threat of attacks by irrational people, and then you see them scattered throughout the world and other places where they don't have the kind of security that we do.
00:26:39.000So it reinforces our idea that the TSA is important, and you've got to get through that line, and you've got to be nice to these people.
00:27:00.000With the back of his hand, he had to go up to both sides of my dick.
00:27:02.000Did he give you the nice explanation about how he's going to do it?
00:27:05.000And then, sir, we're going to feel with the back of our hand.
00:27:07.000The guy who did it to me, and like I said earlier, I'm no conspiracy theorist, but when they're like, you've been randomly selected for additional screening, inside I'm like, it was that last podcast, huh?
00:27:23.000He goes, no, that would be more uncomfortable.
00:27:26.000But he said before he did it, I don't know if the guy said it to you, but he goes, if you want, we can bring you to a private room for this.
00:27:39.000Yeah, you're going to play George Michael music?
00:27:42.000Yeah, it's, I don't know, I mean, but it's so convenient that they need the kind of security that the NSA was trying to get, or the kind of...
00:27:50.000Not security, but the kind of invasion of privacy that the NSA was doing with monitoring your metadata and the ability to check all your emails.
00:27:59.000And the fact that what Snowden exposed was kind of everybody's worst fear about all this stuff.
00:28:04.000Was that one day we're going to get to a point where they're recording everything and you're always going to be scared to speak your mind.
00:28:10.000In private, in public, with your friends.
00:28:13.000Because you think they could always hear.
00:28:14.000And if there's certain key things that you say that upset them, well, they could just target you.
00:28:20.000Because people in the NSA were actively targeting their ex's email accounts and reading their ex's emails.
00:28:33.000A friend of mine worked at a bank, and he told me how they had a big problem with people checking on celebrities' accounts, checking on other people, other friends of theirs' accounts.
00:28:43.000Personally, I think the biggest thing that Snowden...
00:28:46.000He exposed, more so than any particular program, was that he exposed that that guy Clapper said, you know, Clapper was, I think, just six months, a year before Snowden released those files through Glenn Greenwald at The Guardian.
00:28:59.000He, before a congressional hearing, goes, there is no bulk mass data collection.
00:29:05.000And that's what's amazing about what Snowden showed you.
00:30:04.000I was on a panel with him on a Fox News show.
00:30:07.000And we were talking about it was the Apple versus the FBI thing, which I guess is still going on.
00:30:13.000So I was kind of siding with Apple, and he was siding with the FBI. And I remember Baker said to me, he was like, Dave, what are you worried?
00:30:20.000Are you worried they're going to be checking your emails or checking your phone?
00:30:47.000It's really interesting, the stories that are coming out now about how the war on drugs was a big part of their plan to try to break down the civil rights movement and break down these anti-war protesters because it's one thing they shared in common.
00:32:05.000I also think that there's something inherently, like, if you're in the cross-dressing, banging dude scene, you're gonna meet other people with dirt, too.
00:32:15.000So, like, you know, the other guy who you're like, hey, look, we both know we're in that scene together, so you keep your mouth shut.
00:32:19.000That's true, too, but I was like, that's one of those things where people always say that if you are with a partner, and that partner all of a sudden starts getting, like, crazy, irrationally jealous.
00:32:28.000It's probably because they're doing something sneaky.
00:32:30.000And what he was doing was sort of that.
00:32:36.000And he was in charge of the FBI. I mean, he was just a bona fide, insane person.
00:32:40.000But, like you said, it's like, who's to say they're cleaned up?
00:32:44.000I think we always have this idea that we get comfortable with the fucked up shit in the past.
00:32:49.000So we're like, oh, this was so fucked up, but now it's not like that or anything.
00:32:52.000You know, we love to look back at slavery or look back at Jim Crow or look back at something like, oh, what were these people thinking?
00:32:58.000But if you look at, I mean, mass incarceration for nonviolent crimes or mass slaughter in the Middle East or any of this stuff that these people, believe me, if all the details of what's going on came out in 20 years, we're going to have the same attitude in 20 years and be like, oh, there's some fucked up shit going on in 2016. Yeah.
00:33:16.000Well, you know what's interesting to me?
00:33:18.000There's even tribalism in the government.
00:33:20.000Like the CIA and the FBI don't get along, which is how, what's his name?
00:33:25.000General, the guy who got busted for cheating on his wife.
00:34:01.000Rand Paul came out and said something along the lines of he was like, we don't even know who's running this thing when it comes to government.
00:34:07.000So I think the thing that libertarians...
00:34:19.000But there's also this weird thing where, look, I don't know exactly how it works, but there's this weird thing where they'll tell you stuff, but then you can't talk about it.
00:34:29.000So there's actually congressmen who don't want the classified information because they want to be able to say whatever they want to be able to say.
00:34:38.000But I think this is one of the things that libertarians, at least the type of libertarian that I am, like that school, It really tries to emphasize, just don't look at government as if it's a different entity from humanity.
00:34:53.000So it's like you were saying before, the CIA and the FBI, they're not one monolith.
00:34:56.000It's different power sources, different groups of people, and yeah, of course they all are incentivized the way people are.
00:35:02.000And they're a corporation like any other business where there's a bunch of people that are backstabbing each other trying to get to the top of the ladder.
00:35:08.000So they're fucking each other over inside the tribe.
00:35:29.000Well, I mean, you see, it's very interesting when you hear Hillary Clinton, it came out in one of her last batch of emails that got released.
00:35:40.000It was like her and her team were bragging about how she had convinced Obama to go ahead with regime change in Libya.
00:35:54.000So it's just this fucking, like, you convinced a guy, and now this country is fucked.
00:36:02.000Well, she, and all, yeah, and, well, also, I'm sure you saw the time where she was being interviewed, and she was laughing about Gaddafi dying.
00:37:43.000You know, I think we lose sight of it sometimes when you'd be like, you know, it's like, oh, well, they're always fucked up, so it's a little bit more fucked up.
00:37:49.000But Libya was, by regional standards, one of the better places to be.
00:39:32.000She's oddly transparent in her creepiness.
00:39:37.000When she's doing these debates and Bernie Sanders is calling her out on taking all that money from the banks and how she does these speeches for a quarter million dollars and he'd like to read the transcripts, she's just sitting there while he's doing that.
00:39:49.000Just like this weird, like, seething anger.
00:39:52.000Oh, you know, she's smiling on the outside, but you know deep down she could fucking kill you.
00:39:56.000And she's going over her preparation, because they prepped her for this, so you know it comes out in this weird sort of robotic Aikido move, where she's trying to push it to the side like it's a fucking thug in a Steven Seagal movie.
00:40:10.000It's weird, man, because she doesn't really answer it.
00:40:13.000In a way, it's the only thing that I find a positive about Hillary Clinton is that you can constantly see through her and you can point to that shit in other people and go, but see how she's full of shit.
00:40:24.000But how about for the woman card thing?
00:40:26.000The fact that she's been taking tens of millions of dollars from the Saudi government, something like $100 million from Muslim dictatorships.
00:40:37.000It's like being a Jew, running on Jewish issues, and you do business with the Nazis.
00:40:42.000So she takes this money and does what with it?
00:40:45.000Well, they take it for the Clinton Foundation, which is like her and Bill and Chelsea's foundation, and they do all these projects, and it's all kind of in the name of charity, in the name of philanthropy, but it's pretty clearly, like, the Saudis aren't giving tens of millions of dollars to the Clinton Foundation because they all of a sudden decided to be really good people.
00:41:04.000They're doing it because they know that Clintons wield a lot of influence, and this is their way of giving them money.
00:41:10.000And the Clintons can use that as leverage to justify their association with them, because look at all the good it does.
00:41:16.000Yeah, they can point to the good stuff, but in the meantime, they can also do all these projects, and lots of different companies can make money off these projects.
00:41:22.000And then they get in, and we have this creepy business relationship with Saudi Arabia, who is the worst of the worst.
00:42:12.000Well, it's less suspicious now, I guess, than it was in the 1960s and the 1950s, probably before that was even more fuckery going on.
00:42:22.000But it seems like it's more and more difficult to pull off the really obvious Operation Northwoods type shit.
00:42:28.000The transparency that we're enjoying today, even though there's still a lot of questions like what Jeb Bush or what Rand Paul Like, we really have no idea who's running the whole thing at the very top.
00:42:40.000It seems like that's gonna be exposed to eventually.
00:42:42.000It's all gonna get chipped away because information just travels way quicker now than it ever did before, and it's just too hard to hide shit, you know?
00:42:49.000It's like, that force is on their side, too, though.
00:42:52.000Like, we have that force of, like, information can spread, but they also have the predator drones.
00:42:59.000In the 50s or whatever, could have just had the option to say, bomb Yemen, Syria, Libya, and Pakistan, and all these different countries without sending troops there or having bases nearby.
00:43:12.000So, you know, we have advantages, they have advantages.
00:43:14.000Yeah, but what I was going to get at is that what's interesting is what we're seeing now from the NSA gathering data on everybody, saying we need it to keep everybody safe, it almost mirrors what J. Edgar Hoover was doing.
00:43:26.000Because J. Edgar Hoover had all that dirt on him, and so to hide it, he just went after everybody else, keep everybody quiet, keep everybody scared.
00:43:34.000I mean, you could make that same comparison to this strategy the NSA has employed with.
00:43:40.000We'll just fucking monitor everything.
00:43:42.000And then if I say, oh, this Dave guy's been talking a lot of shit.
00:45:29.000And historians like to tell it as if they know for a fact what happened, rather than just being like, hey, here's a nice guess at what maybe happened.
00:45:37.000They'll be like, he thought about going left, but then he went right.
00:45:41.000Yeah, I've always wondered if one day they'll be able to create a computer that's so powerful that it will be able to somehow through some unseen technology take account of everything that's in place as it is right now in the world then monitor for a certain amount of time and then go backwards and And try to figure out,
00:46:04.000well, all these things got into place because of these events and these motions and be able to recreate it digitally.
00:46:10.000It sounds ridiculous right now, but if we can get to a place where they can literally do an account of everything that's happened, every pebble that's on this earth, And go, you know what?
00:46:24.000We can take all this data, follow it for a short amount of time, and then within a 99% accuracy, go back in time and recreate events.
00:46:34.000That sounds so stupid and ridiculous, but that might be like almost a method of a virtual time travel, like just super calculation.
00:46:43.000Just take into account all the things that we do know, all the pieces that are in place right now, everything that's there, all the people that are there, and then figure out how they got there.
00:47:20.000I mean, if they could literally get to a position where they could do a calculation that's so complete that they could feed it into some sort of a...
00:47:28.000You know, someday created virtual reality machine that will give you, like, a version of that.
00:47:34.000You can go back and watch the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs.
00:47:37.000If humans can manage to not, like, destroy ourselves or we don't have some asteroid reset or something like that, we're gonna do magical shit like that, I'm sure.
00:47:45.000I mean, we're already doing magic compared to what we could do a hundred years ago, so, I mean, we're gonna...
00:47:50.000The thing is, you can never predict what it would be.
00:48:27.000And then it's just from there, each time they improve, it improves exponentially.
00:48:32.000Thousands more years, maybe in an hour.
00:48:35.000Thousands more years in a couple of seconds.
00:48:37.000It's just going to get to some insane place where you're saying, they're reasonably certain that one day we'll have a machine.
00:48:44.000It's like an atom machine that you could shoot out into the universe and given an amount of time extracting all the building materials and needs from the sky, it'll make a planet.
00:48:53.000It'll make a planet and inhabit that planet with intelligent life.
00:50:57.000And the idea of something being created from nothing, it makes no sense.
00:51:00.000Well, smaller than the head of a pin, and for whatever reason, instantaneously explodes to create all the mass, both seen and unseen, that's in the galaxy, including dark matter.
00:51:10.000You get to a conversation with this point where we show we almost should just come back to just being religious like let's just follow the fucking book Like Mormonism where it's so dumb that it's kind of comforting that you might be beating everyone Yeah, that all these other people like join in on this dumb shit and y'all agree and you call each other elders and you're only 12 There's something about just belief though like like belief might be beating Skepticism.
00:51:34.000I mean, I know they do these things where they measure how your brain acts when those people are like speaking in tongues and stuff and you go to some weird place and just convincing yourself to be certain of what this existence is.
00:51:46.000Might just put you on a whole different level.
00:51:48.000It's like, oh, it doesn't even matter what you're believing and you're just as long as you're believing, right?
00:51:51.000Well, it exists in a really practical form in fighting and though you're you're a big MMA fan It exists in a really practical form in fighting because you know when I When I was coaching young people back during the taekwondo competing days I coached a lot of young people and I brought a lot of people to tournaments and stuff like that a lot of students and one of the things that I found was that smarter people had a harder time with competing Like a lot of the really smart people that I talked to,
00:52:19.000and then I would try to talk to them about it, and what I realized is they're more aware of the variables.
00:52:25.000They're more aware of what could go wrong, and that would create anxiety, and it was very difficult to get people to just like, okay, you have to stay on the path of what you're trying to do.
00:52:34.000You can't look off to the side of the road, the fact that this cliff goes a thousand feet down to the bottom of the canyon.
00:54:24.000She's gone from being this, like, untouchable.
00:54:28.000I mean, not even like she was, like, the best female fighter.
00:54:31.000It was like, don't even, she's wrecking chicks in a second.
00:54:34.000And then to seeing her kind of broken.
00:54:36.000Well, what's interesting is these themes play themselves out over and over again, and the traps are all there, but everybody keeps going for the candy, and they keep getting caught in the traps.
00:54:47.000The traps of Hollywood are always there for any superstar athlete, especially fighters.
00:54:52.000And, you know, we've seen it all throughout history with Tommy Morrison gets in the Rocky movie.
00:54:57.000And all of a sudden, everybody's looking at him like, Tommy Morrison's going to be the White Hope.
00:55:00.000And then Ray Mercer beats the living fuck out of him.
00:55:03.000And you just saw, like, fear and overwhelming anxiety attack him because he's in this movie and he's on the red carpet.
00:55:10.000And everybody's saying, you're going to be the champ one day, huh?
00:56:31.000And so now it's kind of going in there and even going in there with like a world-class boxer like Holly Holm.
00:56:37.000She kind of goes in there with like, well, I can knock people out too.
00:56:40.000And I think that's a dangerous, you know.
00:56:42.000All of that is a dangerous combination.
00:56:44.000It's like being a blue belt and you choke out a bunch of white belts and you think you're the shit and then all of a sudden you're rolling with Damian Maia and he wraps you up like a Christmas present and beats the fuck out of you and chokes you unconscious.
00:56:55.000You know, I mean, there's levels of everything and to deny those levels because anybody who looked at her fights would see like, okay, you have this Ronda Rousey, this fierce competitor, which is one of the best judo examples of judo we've ever seen in MMA. I I mean,
00:58:56.000No, I mean like John Jones still has a lot of his career to go and he does he has one loss in his record But it's not dominant, you know win But you know you see these guys like you see Anderson Silva and he's just like he's a ninja He's untouchable.
00:59:09.000He's the greatest fighter ever and then you see him like crying on the ground with a shattered not shattered But whatever when he broke his uh his shin Well, how about when he cried on the ground after he won against Nick Diaz?
01:00:22.000You said like a few beats before that we were like, Ruckel's keeping his chin right up in the air and he's kind of like a little lackadaisical.
01:01:43.000I mean, this is before Bisping has the Anderson Silva fight.
01:01:46.000And it did almost seem kind of like Bisping was a great fighter, a big name, but seemed like he was kind of, you know, going toward the end of his career.
01:01:53.000Like he had a couple injuries, had the eye thing.
01:01:55.000And you're kind of like, oh, he was a contender.
01:04:07.000I mean, losing twice to Weidman, he just didn't look the same when he fought Nick Diaz, suspended for steroids, comes back, and, you know...
01:04:45.000And that was one of the things that he was saying, that he was in no danger.
01:04:49.000And it was also one of the same things that Uriah Faber was saying.
01:04:53.000The difference between me and Cruz is, I can hurt him, I can take him out.
01:04:56.000And then when you see Uriah got caught, I think it was the second round, he got dropped, and you realize he's in deep trouble.
01:05:02.000You realize, holy shit, I can He can get knocked out, too.
01:05:05.000And all those guys, you know, it's funny when you get it, like Michael Bisping was a guy who the knock on him, I guess, was that he didn't have knockout power or whatever.
01:05:13.000But you're talking about, like, a 200, I mean, fighting at 205, a guy who cuts down probably, I'm sorry, 185. So probably someone who weighs close to 200 pounds.
01:05:23.000It's a 200-pound guy who specializes in striking.
01:06:42.000When you put your arm on him, he's not flexing.
01:06:45.000He's like Ryan Parsons, who's a buddy of mine, who was his manager for a long time, said that he would do massage on him and he would be exhausted.
01:07:14.000And it's so weird the way he moves too.
01:07:16.000He moves in a weird way because he's very stiff.
01:07:18.000He's not fluid like Jon Jones or like Anderson is very fluid in his movements.
01:07:23.000Dan is like very stiff, but when he uncorks those bombs on you, they just detonate.
01:07:29.000And you're just like, what the fuck hit me?
01:07:32.000Like, Hector Lombard's never been knocked out.
01:07:33.000To see Hector Lombard get knocked out by, well, he got head kicked, he's probably stunned by that head kick, and then he got blasted with that back elbow.
01:08:03.000His KO of Bisping at UFC 100 was one of the most brutal one-punch shots in the history of combat sports.
01:08:09.000It was just BOOM! Bisping's dead stiff and then Henderson's airborne long before the referee can get to him and just slams him in the face on the way down and then from there out One of his logos was the silhouette of him flying through the air,
01:08:29.000Not only do you have to deal with the fact this guy fucking knocked you out in spectacular fashion, but his logo is him flying through the air, hitting you after you're already unconscious.
01:08:41.000I would just say, hang on, in a few years you'll be champ.
01:08:45.000And you'll have a show with Luis J Gomez, and everything will be good.
01:10:54.000There's like the Cody Garbrandts that are emerging.
01:10:57.000You know, they emerge then with one fight against Almeida.
01:11:00.000You go, oh, Jesus, this kid is amazing.
01:11:02.000Fucking killer in the 135 pound division and one of the top contenders now instantly yeah with one standout performance You know and there's just gonna be more divisions like you were kind of talking about that when we were at the store the other night like you want to see more divisions Yeah, and I mean there'll be more divisions more fighters.
01:11:16.000I think right I hope so I hope so, but there hasn't been enough progress in that.
01:11:20.000I really think that there should be a weight class every 10 pounds.
01:11:24.000I think there's a lot of opportunities for not just more champions, which I think is better for the sport, but guys to be able to fight in their actual weight class and be competitive.
01:11:34.000There's some gaps like 85 to 205. Man, that's a big gap.
01:11:52.000And also, I think it gives you much more opportunity for guys to fight champion versus champion and to move up or move down fairly easily.
01:12:03.000I think an 85 could move down to 75 way easier than an 85 could go up to 20. Sure.
01:12:09.000And they could go back and forth and you could have some like really awesome title unification bouts or, you know, champion versus champion bouts.
01:12:47.000Guys die from being dehydrated and getting hit in the head.
01:12:50.000I mean, you can definitely die from just getting hit in the head.
01:12:53.000But isn't it, wouldn't it, and maybe this is just stupid, but wouldn't it regulate itself?
01:12:57.000Because it's like, if the weigh-in's an hour before the fights, and you're gonna dehydrate yourself, you're gonna get fucked up in the fight.
01:13:04.000Like, you're not gonna have time to replenish yourself.
01:13:06.000But why do this whole thing where we're weighing in 24 hours before, guys are dehydrating themselves, then refuel it?
01:13:12.000Why not just fight the way Conor Nate fought and be hydrated?
01:13:57.000So if you want to lose weight, you better lose weight by, you better do some extra running and you better drop some body fat, but you're not going to be dehydrated.
01:14:04.000Yeah, I mean, seeing as how we can figure all that stuff out, it just seems like there'd be an easier answer.
01:14:08.000Now, of course, obviously, there's the commissions in the way which I don't believe in any government regulation, so I don't think they should be there.
01:14:14.000Well, the California Commission's done a fantastic job.
01:14:33.000He doesn't want guys dehydrated, standing around, weakening themselves for that one moment where they have to stand on a scale in front of a camera.
01:14:41.000He's like, this is all an artificially orchestrated event.
01:15:55.000Well, that whole two-fight event, the two fights, the final fights, the Holly home Misha Tate was one of the most exciting endings to any fight ever.
01:16:04.000When Misha took Holly down in the fifth round, a fight she was losing, took her back and choked her.
01:16:41.000She was fighting perfect and super cautious with no chances and barely winning those rounds.
01:16:47.000You know, just winning them but barely winning.
01:16:48.000Nothing big happened and definitely no threat.
01:16:51.000So that victory, when Misha Tate choked out Holly and Holly's punching in the air, how fucking dramatic is that?
01:16:58.000Going out cold, punching in the air while she's going out, and then Nate beating up Connor in that second round after he gets fucked up in the first round, beating him up in the second round, and then choking him.
01:17:46.000And there's no one worse than Nate or Nick Diaz to get hurt by in a fight because once they hurt you they just like they push a pace and then when you get hurt they like pick it up and pick it up and then all of a sudden I mean before you know it Connor's hit like 25 fucking times on the feet and he's shooting for a takedown.
01:18:03.000Those guys are always doing triathlons.
01:18:05.000So even though Nate is taking that fight at 11 days notice and he wasn't in shape, he's still in way better shape than most people.
01:18:13.000So him going five rounds is not unfeasible.
01:18:16.000It's not outside of the realm of imagination.
01:19:27.000So that guy is sparring with Nate on a regular basis.
01:19:31.000Andre Ward, who is one of the best fucking boxers on the planet Earth, one of the slickest, said that Nate gives as good as he gets when they spar.
01:19:53.000But what's fascinating to me is that he wanted to jump right back in there and do it again.
01:19:59.000And that Nate wanted to, or that Connor wanted to just run it back.
01:20:02.000And I was like, wow, that's interesting.
01:20:04.000It seems weird that he gets to do that.
01:20:06.000Not so much that he wants to, but it just seems weird that they were like, even when Dana White was talking about it, and he was like, look, man, we tried to convince him to go down to 145, and he was like, Nate's the only, I was like, wait, he's the matchmaker now?
01:21:31.000We're talking about a guy who got dinged up, shot for a shitty, wide-open takedown, got taken down, got demolished on the ground, and got choked unconscious.
01:21:50.000But, you gotta put him in against Nate again, because that's the big money rematch.
01:21:54.000And if this guy turns out to be a guy who's gonna win some, and lose some, and the beginning of his career, this unbeatable, wild, Celtic warrior character, that's all gone.
01:22:19.000Some people have argued with me saying, like, no, he can make the weight, because he was, what was he, 169 against Nate, so they're saying he basically, that's what he starts at, and he can just cut down from there.
01:23:27.000But that's part of his thing is that he has to like look at things in the most positive light possible and man, I don't know.
01:23:35.000I think stylistically it's a troublesome fight for him because Nate is a very clever boxer and his ground game is a world away from where Connor is right now.
01:25:18.000And with Gilbert, and him and Gilbert went back and forth.
01:25:21.000You know, Josh Thompson's a world-class fighter, so when Josh Thompson head-kicked him, you know, it's like, Josh could do that to anybody in that division.
01:25:27.000If he catches you, you know, you're fucked.
01:25:49.000And at the time, and then so Nate rebounds from that, and I think people, you look at like the losses, like the Dos Anjos fight, and you look at that, the Josh Thompson fight, and you go, hmm, how good is he?
01:26:13.000It's one of those things where styles make fights and you know kind of really got in people's heads by talking shit and I felt like going in I was like I don't think you're gonna get in Nate's head by talking shit He's not that guy.
01:26:23.000My crew will fuck up your whole crew That's the most gangster thing you could say by the way That's the most gangster thing because he's literally just going we'll fucking jump you dude We're not like we're not playing around here Yeah, and all those guys even the guys who seem like kind of nice guys in his team like Jake Shields You feel like he'll fucking jump you like those guys are vegetarian and he'll kick your ass What?
01:26:44.000Got some breaking news that's hit since we've been going live.
01:27:11.000That's kind of cool, because that means that public support made them lift that, but it also must mean that they worked out whatever the fuck it was.
01:27:26.000I haven't talked to Ariel, but let me just give you the UFC perspective.
01:27:31.000The UFC perspective was that there was a mole.
01:27:34.000They believe that someone was giving Ariel information, and that information he was using to scoop the UFC's official promotions.
01:27:42.000So the UFC, which is a private company, you know, they don't have to let people in to your business, your private company, to come and report.
01:27:51.000And so they felt like he was somehow or another getting a hold of this inside information, releasing it, and making them look bad.
01:27:59.000I get the UFC's perspective that they would want to know who the fuck is leaking this secret information and that they don't want this guy taking that information and then putting it live.
01:28:10.000Now, from what I understand, the conversation with him was...
01:28:14.000Don't do this, because if you do this, there's only a handful of people that know this information.
01:28:18.000So, we're gonna fire everybody, or we're gonna fire a bunch of people, and you're gonna ruin people's lives.
01:28:23.000This is what I was told was a conversation they had with him.
01:28:26.000After that conversation, he leaked the Brock Lesnar stuff.
01:29:45.000It's right out that door and to the right-hand side.
01:29:47.000All you're doing, if you're scooping it, is you're shining the attention on yourself.
01:29:52.000What I like Ariel for is not him shining the attention on himself.
01:29:56.000What I like Ariel for is I think he's a very bright guy, and I think he's very insightful when it comes to fights and strategies and things along those lines.
01:30:04.000I don't think it's important that he break the news before the UFC does.
01:30:09.000And I think if the UFC doesn't want him to do that because this is private information and a private company and they're trying to control the press release, I don't buy that that's necessarily under the guise of journalism.
01:30:23.000Because we're not talking about like, oh, he found out about some horrible thing that happened that someone's covering up, or he found out about corruption in government, or he found out about a person who got shot by the police.
01:30:41.000You're just trying to do it before they do it.
01:30:44.000And you're finding it, if it's true, that there's a mole, you're finding it out through some sort of a sneaky method that these people all sign non-disclosure agreements and they're all not supposed to release that information because the UFC wanted to make that big, cool announcement.
01:30:58.000Now when that big cool announcement happened at UFC 199, I was working all day, I was doing commentary all day, so I didn't go online, and I wasn't reading any of the MMA sites, so I didn't know that Ariel had already scooped it.
01:31:09.000So when I saw that promo, and I saw Brock Lesnar, CAN YOU SEE ME NOW?! I was like, what does that mean?
01:34:04.000But, that said, I completely understand the UFC's opinion, or the UFC's position, where they have this company, and, you know, people go, oh, you're a company man, you're fucking sticking up for the company.
01:34:21.000Campaign that you've created you spent more than a million dollars promoting this UFC 200 commercial They have this whole thing and then they tag brog lester in the end and they think oh my god This is the fucking cherry on top of the sundae This is gonna be it and then someone jumps the gun and you find out that it's someone inside your company Allegedly that's leaking information this reporter and he's getting this information out and all he's doing is essentially Scooping it and putting the onus and putting the light on himself No,
01:34:51.000I think you have every right to want to fire that person.
01:35:08.000No one wants a guy like Ariel Helwani to not have a gig, and I think him getting banned, honestly, if you're an Ariel Helwani fan, you should be jumping up and down for two reasons.
01:35:20.000One, you should be happy that he got banned, because then it makes him like a martyr, and then happy that he got reinstated, because now he's a hero.
01:35:28.000So I'm an Ariel Helwani fan, so I'm happy.
01:35:31.000I'm obviously a UFC fan, so I'm happy.
01:35:33.000I'm glad they worked it out and everybody talked, and it's groovy.
01:36:15.000I'm happy But that is the perspective that when I found out about it I had to ask I called and I had this conversation with people that I deeply trust and this was the version that I was handed so now everybody knows and it's all groovy so the Conspiracy theories can say he's working with the UFC. Yeah,
01:36:32.000I'm a puppet But I mean look Obviously, I love the UFC and obviously Dana White is a very good friend of mine So you're not gonna hear me criticize them.
01:36:41.000I mean even if I disagree with them You're like he's my friend, so it makes sense.
01:36:47.000That's how human interactions work He's like a friend and by the way, and he's created an amazing company He's the reason why this sport is out there and you guys have worked together for so even if you had a falling out and you were like I don't want to work there anymore Why would you go publicly you would never hear that from me?
01:37:00.000And I would never work for anybody else either.
01:37:02.000People have said, like, if you leave the UFC, you're like, what are you gonna do?
01:38:50.000But speaking of that, you do get to see the Bruce Buffer 360 every time.
01:38:54.000Well, he doesn't do a 360. He does a 180. He's only done one 360 and that's a UFC 200. Which, ladies and gentlemen, begs the question, should we convince Bruce Buffer to do something else?
01:39:40.000There's even a video of me talking him into the 360. And I'm like, because he always did the 180. And he did the 180 because he accidentally was pointing towards the wrong side once, and he realized that.
01:40:10.000My main goal this weekend, besides having fun and getting to see some awesome fights, is talking Bruce Buffer into the Buffer 360. The Buffer 360 will be happening!
01:41:37.000So this is the biggest ever UFC pay-per-view and that's me with a video camera on Mike Goldberg hoping that he's gonna do the 180 or the 360. Wow,
01:41:52.000look how lean Frank Mir looked at the time.
01:43:46.000I think he was admitted to the hospital with a heart condition today or maybe Thursday the other day and news is breaking just as we were coming on.
01:43:54.000People were trying to get confirmation on if he actually passed and the American Top Team tweeted it.
01:43:59.000Oh, the American Top Team tweeted that he died.
01:44:19.000You know, he was a good boxer in the early days of MMA. You know, if you go back and watch his, like, Kimbo Slice KO and Elite XC. Just Elite XC fucked up and trying to put all their eggs in one basket and have this guy who was this internet sensation be their figurehead.
01:44:35.000I mean, it made sense, like, financially, but people in the know...
01:44:40.000Like me, I was like, listen, if he fights someone good, he's going to get fucked up.
01:44:44.000Like, I see all these holes in what he does.
01:44:46.000And it was frustrating as a hardcore fan because it was still at a point, like, the UFC is much, much bigger now.
01:44:52.000I remember when they got that fight on CBS, like, MMA had never been on a big network like that before.
01:44:59.000So it was very frustrating that the biggest network was putting it out as if this guy was the best guy in MMA. And, you know, us, like, hardcore fans, like, me and my friends would be around bitching, like, Randy Couture, We'd take him down in a second.
01:45:13.000Well, people forget that Elite XC sort of had the scoop on the UFC. They had the scoop on getting on broadcast television and they had millions of people watching those fights.
01:45:23.000Didn't UFC, like, weren't they in talks with HBO and then it like fell apart and then Elite XC ended up getting the deal with Showtime or something?
01:46:02.000A big problem with other organizations, it made them almost unwatchable because the announcing would just be so terrible.
01:46:08.000I mean like nowadays I feel like there was a while where I thought you and Goldberg were like the only team who can do MMA without me just wanting to mute it.
01:46:15.000But I actually like now they've got the alternate teams have gotten fairly strong like Bryan Stan's really good.
01:46:47.000But other than him, outside of the UFC, who do you got?
01:46:51.000Outside the UFC there's not not really much unless there's some unknown guys I don't know of which is definitely possible, but there's in the UFC There's several guys now, you know, you got Kenny Florian you got Brian stand you got Dan Hardy There's plenty of people can do it now, but they work for the UFC So someone like HBO wanted to have their own team.
01:47:09.000Yeah, you can't just get sports guys You just can't do that because they're not gonna understand what the fuck's going on when the fight goes to the ground and they're gonna miss things and it's gonna be sloppy and You can't have that.
01:47:18.000You have to have someone who understands, and you have to have someone who can talk.
01:47:21.000It's like when you watch old school MMA, it's one of the craziest things about it, that it's being announced by people who don't understand the sport.
01:47:28.000So you literally hear them saying things like, why is he tapping?
01:47:38.000I have a friend of mine who's a judge, and in the middle of a fight, this woman, who was also a judge, looked over and she goes, what is he doing?
01:48:26.000If there's no medical coverage right there, you can't have an event, like an MMA event, where you're putting literally your health and your life in the hands of these people that are supposed to have all their ducks in a row so they can run this event.
01:48:39.000And whether or not you even get paid is in question.
01:48:43.000See, because these guys don't have any power, the fighters.
01:48:46.000They don't have enough influence, especially on a small, local level, small shows.
01:48:51.000So I'm a big fan of how California does it.
01:48:55.000Like I said, I'm a big fan of that Andy Foster guy.
01:48:56.000I think he's as good as it gets when it comes to heads of athletic commissions.
01:49:00.000But I think that you have to have a bond where you have the money to pay the fighters before you can put on an event.
01:49:40.000I was opening for him, but believe me, it probably hurt me more, the money.
01:49:44.000I mean, we both needed our money, but at the moment I was like, fucking broke.
01:49:50.000But I will say, then you also deal with a lot of other shit when you get these government regulatory bodies, like with the Vegas, was it the Vegas Commission that handed Nick Diaz?
01:49:59.000Which, I mean, has there ever, if you, the guy moved up A weight class and fought the greatest of all time at that weight class who tested positive for steroids.
01:50:10.000And they found out he had trace amounts of THC in his system.
01:50:35.000And the WADA people say it's bullshit.
01:50:37.000The WADA people are like, look, there's no...
01:50:39.000And then they wouldn't test sample B. There was some issues with testing of sample B or allowing the tests of sample B. And they tried to ban them for five years.
01:50:49.000I gave out the Nevada State Athletic Commission's phone number.
01:50:51.000I put it out on Twitter and everybody called them.
01:51:03.000The amount of incompetence that you have to have to think that you're going to take away a guy's athletic career for trace amounts of marijuana in his system and not examine the two water tests that showed that he was clean.
01:51:16.000And this guy, this guy who, you know, Nick Diaz was like came from nothing and like made a career of himself, like doing something positive with his life.
01:51:41.000I mean, the idea that you can just go in there and run an organization like that and tell those people that are fighting that their future is fucked.
01:51:52.000Like, what they did to Vandele Silva is arguably even more disgusting.
01:51:56.000Vandele Silva ran away from a drug test.
01:53:19.000If a cop grabs your arm and you yank it away, you're assault, resisting arrest, you're fucked now.
01:53:25.000But the cops can beat a dude with a nightstick half to death, and then they're like, well, we thought he might have been going for someone's gun.
01:53:35.000And also, cops, just like everything else we're talking about in government, they're people, and they vary.
01:53:40.000And there's going to be people that are awesome cops.
01:53:42.000I personally think that it's one of the most difficult jobs a person can do.
01:53:45.000And psychologically, the idea of going to work every day where all the people you deal with are going to be lying to you and up to something and hate you.
01:54:04.000And I think what you're saying is absolutely true.
01:54:06.000I think it's an incredibly difficult job, and a lot of that is because of the rules we have, which are kind of crazy.
01:54:12.000I mean, the idea of having to police Drug use is a very difficult position to put someone in because, I mean, obviously, first and foremost, it's a horrible thing to do to throw someone in a cage for putting something into their body.
01:54:25.000But it's a very weird thing when there's no complainant.
01:54:27.000It's two people who are making a voluntary transaction, and now you've got to go and SWAT raid and find them.
01:54:33.000This guy's giving a bag of something to another person.
01:55:12.000And then, as a result of that, they had an official, unofficial, what they called an NYPD slowdown.
01:55:22.000It was a spokesman for the police union.
01:55:24.000He said, and I believe it was the New York Post, he said, as a result of this shooting, the cops will only be making arrests when absolutely necessary.
01:55:33.000Well, that's what he said, which was a weird like shouldn't they always be doing that?
01:55:36.000But anyway, so they but arrests went down like 80% Or at least it was maybe like 60% and then it was like nonviolent tickets and bullshit arrests were down like 90% like they were just basically not doing that anymore and there was this beautiful like month and a half long period of Where the NYPD just wasn't doing what they do.
01:56:21.000The city owns this fucking spot where you can leave a car, and you have to give them money to leave a car, and that's how they gather up millions of dollars, and they become addicted to that gathering of the millions of dollars?
01:56:53.000I mean, imagine some of these people, man, who are, like, literally, you know, working, like, you know...
01:56:58.000Lower-class jobs and have families to pay for and you're just gonna go hand them a fucking $100 ticket because your meter expired by two minutes He didn't give us enough money and it's like changing his laundry or something and you know let it go for a few minutes Yeah,
01:57:14.000I mean, I get the idea that you shouldn't have cars that are blocking the street.
01:57:18.000You should definitely give people tickets if they're doing something that obstructs it or tow them.
01:57:22.000But to just leave a car on the street, you have to pay money?
01:59:24.000Whereas I like, you know, when he's asked about the wars, he'll say things like, he goes, I think if you look on average, these military interventions have hurt more than they have helped.
02:00:11.000He's just like, this makes more sense, which is fine, but I don't really want to sell libertarianism as like, I think we're fiscally conservative and socially liberal.
02:00:21.000He's a bridge, because he was a lifelong Republican.
02:00:24.000He's a good bridge to getting people to consider an alternative party.
02:00:28.000Maybe one of the only ones that's currently available.
02:00:31.000See, I believe in a little bit more like a case for radicalism.
02:00:37.000Ron Paul, when he was in the 2007-2008 debates, he got a whole lot of people interested in libertarianism.
02:00:45.000And he didn't do it by being like a bridge to like, before I tell you, you know, slavery is horribly immoral, let me first convince you it's inefficient and ineffective.
02:00:53.000And then he went right to like, this is wrong.
02:01:36.000It's not in the same way that abolition isn't the answer to everything during slavery.
02:01:41.000It's the first moral step to then we can live in a...
02:01:46.000What about libertarianism is so attractive to you?
02:01:48.000I mean, I think it's philosophically sound, and it's basically just...
02:01:55.000To me, it's a humble understanding of what existence is, that we don't really know what this is.
02:02:02.000Man's kind of born into the world naked, and we're here with nature, and we're all trying to figure it out, and that, morally speaking, we should all own our own lives, and therefore own your own body, and basically it all centers around property rights and the non-aggression principle, which is just the idea that you should never initiate violence against a non-violent person.
02:02:21.000And then you just draw conclusions from that.
02:02:23.000Well, those are all really standard points in libertarianism that get brought up all the time.
02:02:29.000But why is it that libertarianism, even though it's so attractive to young, intelligent guys like you, why is it that that has never caught hold in a mainstream way as an alternative third party?
02:02:43.000That run as independents, that get a little bit of momentum, but it's always, people always look at it like, well, that's never going to work out.
02:02:56.000Well, I think there's a game, and there's, you know, it's...
02:03:01.000The government is a power center, and it's in their interest to continue having power.
02:03:07.000And I think usually most people are much more, if they get close to that power, they're much more incentivized to try to expand it and try to keep it than to at any point say, guys, you know, it'd be a lot more moral if we didn't have this.
02:03:19.000And, you know, I mean, it's like, why did slavery persist for so long?
02:03:22.000Because, you know, it's a good way to get cotton without having to work.
02:03:30.000But I wonder how much time it has left.
02:03:34.000It seems like it's a reoccurring theme that comes up over and over again when people talk about the problems that we have with running society the way we're currently doing it, is that this two-party system is just so preposterous.
02:03:46.000It's so ridiculous to say that you have these two groups, and they're both funded by the same people, competing against each other allegedly, but yet nothing changes.
02:03:54.000And that this is the system, and this is the only way to do it.
02:03:57.000Like, well, how come you can't have, like, a hundred different systems and ideas?
02:04:12.000It's so weird how there's this big show about how much they hate each other, but then they just come together over the most important issues.
02:04:21.000I always feel betrayed when I see Clinton laughing it up with Bush.
02:04:25.000I'm like, what the fuck are you guys laughing about?
02:04:28.000How many people died when you were in office?
02:04:43.000I thought, wait, so you're all full of shit.
02:04:45.000And how is it that, you know, you have these things where, so the Republicans hate Obama, Obama hates the Republicans, they both think the other one's the reason why the country's falling apart.
02:04:53.000But then when, like, you know, something like the NDAA bill, where he says he can arrest American citizens with no charges and hold them indefinitely, we all just get together and sign that.
02:05:21.000Obama actually, he put in a signing statement when he signed it into law.
02:05:25.000He said, and I guess this was to appease the liberal activists who maybe would be a little upset with him, but he said, my administration has no plans.
02:05:44.000It's just frustrating for, I think, everybody that nothing changes and that this two-party system was in place when we were kids, it's in place now, and it's quite possibly it'll be in place 50 years from now when we're dead.
02:05:57.000I do think something is changing in this election cycle, and I don't know that it's purely a positive force, but there's definitely something going on.
02:06:05.000I mean, if you look at what's going on with Trump, and I'm no fan, but it is a moment.
02:06:11.000Trump is having a real moment, and he is kind of tearing down this matrix.
02:06:18.000And Bernie also had an interesting moment.
02:06:21.000It's very interesting that they always, the powers that be kind of decide who these people are going to be, and it does seem like this year people are really rejecting that on a very grassroots level, like, no, we don't buy this bullshit.
02:06:33.000I wonder how much longer they can keep it up.
02:06:40.000It's like this minor league ball team that wants to play in the Super Bowl because there's some sort of a strike amongst really good players.
02:07:29.000And it's rigged through lobbyists and special interest groups and money and campaign funds.
02:07:34.000By the time you get to that position, unless you're Bernie Sanders or Donald Trump, and that's what makes it interesting, is they're the only two people that represents two completely new paradigms.
02:07:44.000You have Bernie, who is this weird socialist type character, democratic socialist character, and then you have Trump, who's like the ultimate capitalist.
02:07:53.000And both people represent entirely new groups because Donald Trump is essentially at least partially self-funded.
02:08:00.000And, you know, now he's trying to get money, and there's...
02:08:02.000Well, he's already the nominee, though.
02:08:23.000I don't look at, while their personalities are very different, I don't know if anything about their policies are actually diametrically opposed.
02:08:29.000I think they're both kind of populists in a lot of ways.
02:08:32.000Bernie Sanders has more of an ideology, like this is my philosophy on what government should do, and Trump's just kind of like, well, let's let it rip.
02:08:40.000But they're both kind of like, let me tell you what you want to hear to the crowd.
02:08:46.000And, you know, he talks about that in The Art of the Deal.
02:08:48.000I mean, his whole style of campaigning is all mapped out in his books, where he talks about this larger-than-life persona that he's created in order to make himself a public figure, in order to make himself more wealthy, more popular, and more able to get things done.
02:11:45.000That's another one of my issues with Gary Johnson, is that I just feel like, man, if the LP wants to do something, if the Libertarian, you know, if they want to have a moment here, and you're telling me the hope is if we can get to 15% in the polls, then we get into a debate.
02:11:58.000And I have to overlook the fact that this guy was already in a debate that nobody remembers because he didn't do anything.
02:12:19.000Right, and they also have to choose which polls.
02:12:21.000But I don't think they find him threatening.
02:12:23.000It might actually be smart for them to allow him in, to expose...
02:12:26.000I mean, I think both sides would probably think that he would expose something that the other side has, and both sides would probably be under the impression there's an opportunity to capitalize on it.
02:13:07.000It used to be like the League of Women Voters or whatever used to run it, and now just the Democrats and Republicans, they were like, let's never let that happen again.
02:13:20.000You're being hoodwinked, and I'll show you how.
02:13:24.000Yeah, you don't want some crazy old Texas billionaire on television in the 1980s or whatever the fuck it was.
02:13:30.000It's one of those things to me where I don't see how it's going to change.
02:13:35.000I look at it and I go, boy, they can just keep running this fucking game for another four years and another four years and it'll keep going and then we'll be like 70 going, what the fuck, man?
02:13:57.000But I think if you look at a few kind of like fundamentals...
02:14:01.000We're in the process of an empire falling.
02:14:04.000Like the far, far too expanded militarily, drowning in debt.
02:14:09.000And if you really look at the debt, I mean, it's not just the 19 trillion.
02:14:12.000There's like over 100 trillion in unfunded liabilities.
02:14:14.000Like all these Medicare and Social Security and all these programs, they're all going to blow up.
02:14:20.000We've also got just trillions and trillions of dollars that are extended being held at these big banks that...
02:14:27.000There's all these factors and also look at the moral kind of like the cultural decay kind of going on that Trump I think kind of embodies.
02:14:35.000I think there's a lot of Indicators that we're in the crash process.
02:14:41.000Well, he embodies the cultural decay in that one sense.
02:14:44.000And on the other sense, you've got the cultural decay by social justice warriors and people super oversensitive, who Ralph Nader is rallying against now.
02:15:45.000But that's the whole world's going to trigger you then.
02:15:47.000Then every fucking piece of media, every movie, every television show has a potential for being a trigger warning.
02:15:53.000And it's not as if I just hate people and I don't care if you're triggered and deal with your past.
02:16:00.000I think we have a big epidemic of soldiers coming back suffering from PTSD. I'd like to not send them to wars so we don't have to deal with this.
02:16:09.000We should change, we should like nerf foam the world in case you're triggered.
02:16:14.000So a college now can't explore anything they want to because what if someone had something violent in their past happen?
02:16:21.000And then it seems to be a very convenient thing where you know like the feminists or the social justice warriors are like policing rape jokes in the comedy community but they don't ever seem to be policing like a war joke or you know it's like they don't seem to care about men being triggered and Like you were saying,
02:16:53.000It's like they're so frothy at the mouth and so taken away with the idea that they're doing some incredible right and this has to be done and this justice must prevail and transgender people should be able to use the women's room without...
02:17:08.000You know, any questioning whatsoever about where they stand.
02:17:10.000There's some weirdness going on today that is like what we were talking about when people are young, when you can send them to war, and when you send these young people to war that they don't really have enough data yet.
02:17:22.000Well, there's a lot of that going on where there's a social war, and these people don't have a lot of data either, and they're just furious and foaming at the mouth, and when it all is said and done, the dust settles.
02:17:33.000When they're older, they're probably not even going to be on that team anymore.
02:17:37.000You know, you're probably gonna wise up and realize how fucking goofy those people you're hanging around with are who are getting mad at white people for wearing dreadlocks.
02:17:45.000Social appropriation, cultural appropriation.
02:17:47.000It's like, listen, we all hate white people in dreadlocks, but you've actually made me someone I hate more than white people in dreadlocks.
02:17:55.000Not only that, you don't even know where dreadlocks came from.
02:17:58.000First of all, white people have had dreadlocks throughout history.
02:18:01.000Well, when you were comparing the kind of cultural decay from the Trump supporters and the social justice warriors, I do see a lot of it just rooted in, like, anti-intellectualism.
02:18:54.000And sometimes in those noise, there's some important points on both sides.
02:18:57.000But, boy, there's a whole lot of noise, too.
02:19:00.000And it's a lot of arguing, a lot of yelling gets done, and not a lot of progress gets made.
02:19:06.000Just people dig in their heels, and they take a side, and they draw a line in the sand, and you've got the people on the right and the people on the left.
02:19:14.000Yeah, like you said at the beginning, it becomes a big team identity thing, and then it's just justifying the position you're already in.
02:19:21.000So you're just looking for confirmation bias, like, my team's right, or my team's right.
02:19:26.000Yeah, and why is everybody so goddamn sensitive?
02:19:29.000Like, the gender pronoun thing is so fucking bananas.
02:19:34.000Like, you should know that if you're a dude and you look like a woman, okay, that people are gonna get that wrong on occasion.
02:19:40.000Like, okay, what do you look like, okay?
02:19:43.000Do you look like Catherine Zeta-Jones in a bikini?
02:19:45.000Well, if you do, people are gonna say her.
02:19:47.000And if they say her, that's not a bad thing.
02:19:51.000You know, there's people out there that they think that you should name your dog gender-neutral names, because your dog can't decide.
02:19:58.000Like, this is a real debate amongst feminists and social justice warriors who have animals, whether or not they should impose their stereotypes that they have on human beings on their dogs and cats.
02:20:09.000Look, and it's just insanity, but I feel like there's something, like on these college campuses, that's almost like, that's housing that.
02:20:17.000Like, they're letting them develop these ridiculous ideas, and I'll tell you, I think part of it, I really blame the college professors for a lot of this, because I think these are also people who have, a lot of them have lived in college their entire lives.
02:20:28.000They're people who go to college and then just stay in college.
02:20:30.000And they get post-graduate degrees and then they teach.
02:20:33.000And they're kind of letting this happen.
02:20:36.000And no one's going like, okay, shut up.
02:20:39.000Look, I'm all for, like, I'm a complete libertarian.
02:20:42.000You should be able to, if you have a doctor who's willing to perform a surgery on you and you want to identify as her instead of him, I'll call you her because who cares?
02:20:50.000I'm not going to call you Z. No, that's fucking ridiculous.
02:20:53.000But you also can't, even if I'm willing to call you something, you can't make it a huge issue if not everybody is willing to call you that.
02:21:08.000Yeah, like LGBTQ is not even close to all the letters that are on that thing anymore.
02:21:13.000Well, how about in New York, they're gonna fine businesses if they intentionally misgender you.
02:21:19.000Like, you can get sued and fined for like a quarter million dollars if you don't call someone Z. See, and this is where it becomes like a real fucking problem, is it's like, okay, you know what, you guys can have your little fun and games and your safe space on college campus all you want to, but now you start bringing in the forceful arm of government to actually go fuck over a business owner who's trying to provide jobs and,
02:22:16.000And we were talking about how incredible it is that they find a way to justify two people hooking up with text messages, with a girl saying, come on over, bring condoms.
02:22:26.000They have sex, and the guy is the one who's a rapist because they were both drunk.
02:22:31.000The guy got kicked out of school, and he's still in the middle of lawsuits.
02:22:33.000Oh, it's insane, but it's also like a fascinating glimpse into how you see things, because it's weird how you...
02:22:39.000It's almost like these guys come back to be the caricature of what the 1950s chauvinist was supposed to be, assuming that women are these fragile, delicate creatures who can't handle the same thing a man can.
02:22:51.000It's like, you're really being the sexist here.
02:23:12.000But why is it, seeing as that that is a fact, prison included, and stuff like that, why is it that every time you think of this scenario where someone's triggered from a rape joke, it's always a woman?
02:23:22.000You're always like, what if there's a woman in the crowd who's been triggered?
02:23:25.000It's never a concern that it could be a man who could be triggered.
02:25:03.000We want to watch people that are in trouble, someone's trying to hide from the law, or someone that's worried that mom's not going to make it.
02:25:09.000And they're holding her hand, and the doctor's working furiously, and a young, handsome doctor, he leaves after 16 hours, and he's sweaty, takes his hand, and then another guy comes in with a gunshot wound, and back to work.
02:25:38.000Collectively, you have to look at us as what we are as a giant superorganism.
02:25:42.000We look at ourselves inside of our culture and our belief systems and our actions and what gets done and the pollution of the environment.
02:25:52.000Overall, what is the species doing when you're looking at it as an outsider?
02:25:56.000If you were completely removed from culture, completely removed from tradition and communication, and you just looked at us as some weird organism, what is it trying to do?
02:26:06.000Well, it's just making better stuff all the time.
02:26:22.000I have a mattress and I'm carrying it around until my rapist is brought to justice.
02:26:26.000All that madness and all the arguing and all the craziness that's going on is just a distraction while it's making better and faster computers.
02:27:06.000The rest of us are basically just waste.
02:27:08.000It's like, hey, you're just jerking off and watching some dumb reality show.
02:27:11.000But if you keep fucking and keep fucking, eventually a genius will pop out who will move this thing forward a little bit and a little bit.
02:27:18.000We're essentially like a giant hive of worker ants with potential options Like you really can write Harry Potter and break away from the rest of the worker ants You really can have a kid that's a fucking math genius because you dropped him on his head when he was a baby You don't want to tell anybody why this kid's so fucking good at math There's a lot of that going on,
02:27:38.000And those little fuckers grow up to be like some Elon Musk character that starts making electric cars and a hyperloop that gets you to San Francisco in three minutes.
02:27:45.000There's some weird shit happening, and it's all happening, like, exponentially all around us all the time, adding up while we're worried about trigger warnings and whether or not trannies can use the fucking men's room or the women's room and, like...
02:28:01.000That whole culture on the left of whatever you want to call it, like the social justice warrior, people call it the regressive left.
02:28:39.000And seeing the social justice warriors protest these guys, and the white knights, the dudes who are hanging out right next to the feminist chick going, These lacrosse guys are out of control and they should go to jail.
02:29:13.000If she was a man doing the exact same thing about a woman doing something horrible, Oh, I bet you're right.
02:29:17.000If there was a team of women that were alleged to have done something terrible and he was ranting and raving about these women being brought to justice and brought to jail and it turns out there was no crime being committed at all, you'd have to apologize.
02:29:46.000Then they cut back to the articles that she was writing at the time, and it's like this insane...
02:29:51.000She's like, these boys all know what happened, and they know they're guilty, and they need to be punished for this, blah, blah.
02:29:56.000And then she's, even in acknowledging it, she goes, well, you know, I do think the fact that I was sexually assaulted in college probably did come into play.
02:30:22.000And look, even if you were, even if she was completely, you know, in, like, legitimately sexually assaulted, not in any of these bullshit gray areas, like it was an actual sexual assault, the idea that you would, you, like, you're covering a sexual assault case, okay?
02:30:36.000And you were sexually assaulted before.
02:30:38.000So right away, what an honest journalist would do would be recuse yourself.
02:30:41.000You would go, I can't really do this because I'm too emotionally invested in something that happened in my life.
02:30:46.000But now, to not do that, you're covering this, something that happened to you that you would have to be aware of.
02:30:51.000I gotta make sure I don't let that creep into my professionalism.
02:30:54.000But you're using that to try to, you know, to go after these guys.
02:30:58.000And justifying it after it's been proven that it was incorrect.
02:31:03.000Well, to her credit, she did apologize once it was proven to be incorrect.
02:31:06.000But still, like you said, that's not enough.
02:31:07.000But didn't you say that in the apology, she was saying how she'd been sexually assaulted?
02:31:12.000She was kind of using that as an excuse.
02:36:11.000Like their heads bounce off the ground.
02:36:13.000That's like a big issue in street fights and stuff when you watch someone get sucker punched.
02:36:17.000They fall down and their head gets bounced off the curb.
02:36:20.000And I think people who have like epilepsy and things like that, like that's the big fear that what happens is that you end up cracking your head on the ground.
02:36:33.000You know, Hillary Clinton said recently, and this would probably be one of the tactics she tries to use against Trump, but she said something along the way.
02:36:40.000I don't know if he's the type of guy we would want having control of the nuclear codes.
02:36:44.000And it's just like an interesting thing to look at where you're like, how crazy is it that any one person has control of those nuclear codes?
02:36:51.000Like, we're just counting on one person to not snap?
02:37:21.000So let's have a person who's a politician who's in the highest stress job imaginable.
02:37:28.000Let's have them just have control of those codes.
02:37:30.000Unfortunately, that is the green light for the robot overlords to take over because we can't trust people.
02:37:36.000Well, the robots are just going to be way more sober about this.
02:37:39.000They're going to make rational decisions Based on logic and mathematics and possibilities and probabilities and the understanding of human race that we really can't comprehend because we're just monkeys.
02:37:50.000Is this when you bring me into your giver society?
02:37:54.000No, I'm going to bring you to one of those landmark meetings.
02:39:42.000Because now I'm a brain inside a new body?
02:39:44.000I don't want to do that surgery the first year they come out with it.
02:39:47.000I want to wait like a few years, let them work the kinks out.
02:39:49.000The problem with that is those people that got it first will take over.
02:39:53.000They'll be reading each other's minds, and flying, and breathing underwater, and you just want to have a chance to compete.
02:39:58.000They're going to gather up all the money and the resources, they're going to have all the hookers, and then they don't even need hookers, because they can orgasm just by pressing their tempo.
02:40:07.000They're just going to jizz in their pants.
02:40:41.000And even the risk of rejection, I mean, it's not like really scary, like anything can go wrong, but there's a game going on.
02:40:46.000Like, can I get these people to love me?
02:40:48.000Like, how do I get these people to love me?
02:40:50.000Oh, I gotta have the right chains on and the right car and show up at the right place and, you know, get the right spot where there's table service and, you know, I have to have a bunch of people that are famous around me so that I look like a pimp.
02:41:15.000You know, and they're trying to, like, figure out a way to become special.
02:41:18.000Well, if everybody just has to, you know, just download the fuck program, and all of a sudden you're in an orgy with a hundred thousand tens all lining up to blow you, like, where's the fun in that?
02:41:29.000But that's why the human the human experience works in strange ways So maybe then that's what we'll be attracted to like, you know People will want to go back toward kind of the thrill of the hunt like oh, that's easy I think it'll be more like a video game where video games are no fun if you get to play on god mode You know you play a video game on god mode.
02:42:37.000And this is, you know, the level of challenge that you wanted.
02:42:39.000Well, it's an interesting philosophy, and it's an interesting perspective.
02:42:43.000But lots of this shit, you know, like, obviously, we don't know exactly where this is going to go, and you're talking, like, a little bit out there.
02:42:49.000I mean, if you look at, like, where a Nokia phone was compared to where, you know, these things are, I mean, it's a big difference.
02:42:56.000It's not that far off into the future, but even just little things, like, personally, I get really fascinated by, like, the implications toward government and how we organize society.
02:43:07.000We can just 3D print guns, and everybody can 3D print a gun.
02:43:11.000I mean, we don't really need to fight about the Second Amendment anymore, because you've got it.
02:43:15.000Everyone's going to have a gun if they want to have a gun.
02:43:17.000And I feel like there will be a lot of these type of things that just kind of nullify government, whether or not it's like, it doesn't matter, because people can just go over here and do it.
02:43:27.000So we don't even need to have this debate, which to me should be the way lots of things are settled.
02:43:33.000I mean, who cares about debating over gay marriage or something like that?
02:43:36.000Let people associate however they want to associate.
02:43:38.000Don't you think that's one of those non-issues that's an issue to people that actually are gay that want to get married?
02:43:44.000But the reason why it gets bounced around, I feel like it's like a beach ball at a concert.
02:43:47.000They just chuck it out there whenever there's something really serious that people want to talk about.
02:43:53.000They throw that around as if it's like, oh, this needs to be addressed as well.
02:45:19.000Well, my point is that, you know, I was furious when this Caitlyn Jenner thing was going on when you were supposed to say that she looks good.
02:45:28.000Like, no one was allowed to go, whoa, whoa, whoa.
02:46:40.000So if Hillary all of a sudden got a boob job, everybody would be like, what the fuck is wrong with her?
02:46:44.000But he gets a boob job, and because it's about gender, we're all supposed to just ignore the fact that he's got a frozen face, that the chin's been cut with a fucking grinder to resemble a female face.
02:47:20.000But are we just going to just because of like this political pressure, throw out the possibility that it it seems to say that maybe you have some issues that you want to self mutilate yourself like this?
02:48:15.000I mean, okay, for one out of a hundred thousand babies, maybe it's something that's assigned at birth.
02:48:19.000I know people always bring up that example where some babies are born.
02:48:22.000Well, I don't know what the number is, but there's got to be a lot of people where they feel like they're trapped in the body that they don't want to be in, and that's cool.
02:49:52.000He's like, you're trying to show yourself as to be more virtuous than the other people, so you attack them for having a lack of a strong stance in these things that you have a strong stance in.
02:50:03.000And even when this strong stance is really debatable, like this whole subject.
02:50:09.000And I love the fact that these guys kept getting busted after they passed these laws, allowing transgender women to use the women's room.
02:50:16.000These creepy men were calling themselves transgender and going into the women's room.
02:50:19.000That's exactly what you knew was gonna happen.
02:50:38.000But that's why I hate the whole system of taxation and government and all this shit, because right there, that can be applied to so many different things.
02:50:45.000Like, even if it's something like Planned Parenthood or something like that, like, I'm...
02:50:50.000I think it's a very complicated issue, but I'd probably lean on the pro-choice side.
02:50:54.000But it's like, you're going to force someone who believes abortion is murder to fund a place that commits...
02:52:05.000And this is another thing that technology might solve real quick.
02:52:08.000I mean, once we can kind of create womb-like conditions outside the womb, it might greatly cut down on the number of abortions that are needed.
02:52:47.000Like the fact that we like to go out into nature, like we're so far removed with all this technology, but we still want to like, well, I want to like, I want to sit in the place where I would have died from an infection at 12. I don't want to like live there, but I want to like sit there for a little and then go inside.
02:53:00.000I want to lay motionless where the predators used to roam.
02:53:06.000It is fucking really weird that we call it the outdoors.
02:54:19.000Like the more, you know, we think we know something, and we're like, okay, this is what a black hole is, and then we figure something out, and we go, okay, it's nothing like that.
02:54:27.000And people get mad at Neil deGrasse Tyson because he won't say he's an atheist.
02:54:30.000I think that's another hilarious aspect of atheism, is how tribal atheism is.
02:54:35.000I've been watching this forum where these people are fucking hurling the most disgusting and evil insults at Neil deGrasse Tyson simply because he won't say he's an atheist.
02:56:11.000And you're finding a way to kind of trigger, to use their word, to trigger that reaction that just gets you into, it's weird, it gets you into something that you already knew.
02:57:40.000I mean, there's personal things about different groups, and then there's some groups of libertarians that I... Genuinely don't identify with at all.
02:57:49.000Like, there's some kind of, like, Republicans who will just kind of call themselves Libertarians but are okay with, like, fighting wars and stuff like that, so I don't like that.
02:57:59.000Libertarians can be kind of a weird group if you get together.
02:58:02.000But isn't it just weird to be in a group?
02:58:05.000But that's why I don't, you know, I wouldn't be comfortable almost identifying with any other group.
02:58:10.000To me, libertarianism or voluntarism is really just, it's like accepting of a principle that is, like I said before, like you shouldn't initiate violence against peaceful people.
02:58:22.000So I just, I'm okay with accepting that as like a fundamental truth.
02:58:26.000To me, it's more on line with being like an abolitionist during slavery times.
02:58:29.000It's just like, we shouldn't have slavery.
02:58:31.000What you do with yourself, I don't know.
02:58:33.000I'm not going to jump into a team of what job you should have.
02:58:35.000But you shouldn't be forced to pick cotton.
02:58:48.000The whole idea of representative government is so fucking goofy.
02:58:52.000I just think that any political party that doesn't address that, it's like we're spinning our wheels if we're really allowing this whole stupid thing to go on the way it's gone on for so long.
02:59:03.000It was created back when it was really impossible to communicate with people.
02:59:08.000Like, now it's really easy to communicate with people, but we have the same system of government that we had back when people used to write with feathers.