The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #819

00:00:02.000 On the eve of an epic weekend of fights, we come to you live to break this shit down.

00:00:09.000 The Keto Kid and I. What's up, brother?

00:00:12.000 What's up, brother?

00:00:13.000 What is that?

00:00:13.000 That shirt reminds me of something, and I'm trying to figure out what it reminds me of.

00:00:17.000 It's like some Japanese...

00:00:19.000 The Endless Summer.

00:00:21.000 It's so fucking summer.

00:00:23.000 This isn't the yellow one.

00:00:24.000 That yellow one is so summer.

00:00:26.000 It's a Fighter and the Kid shirt with Brian.

00:00:29.000 It's such a perfect shirt for Brian.

00:00:32.000 All of his pictures should be him leaping, pretending to be a ballerina.

00:00:37.000 For reals.

00:00:38.000 The Endless Hour.

00:00:39.000 Yeah, there it is.

00:00:39.000 Yeah, similar.

00:00:39.000 Yeah.

00:00:40.000 It's very similar.

00:00:40.000 So it's a collab with Roots of Fate.

00:00:42.000 That's where we got the idea.

00:00:43.000 Mm-hmm.

00:00:44.000 It says summer.

00:00:45.000 What's it?

00:00:46.000 It's summer every day in Venice Beach, California.

00:00:48.000 Unless you're a bum.

00:00:50.000 Well, it's still summer, though.

00:00:51.000 That's true.

00:00:52.000 Hot as fuck and a nice tan.

00:00:53.000 That's true.

00:00:54.000 A nice tan.

00:00:55.000 That's true.

00:00:56.000 Bro, I'll tell you right now, you don't want to be on Venice Beach during July 4th at night.

00:01:00.000 Why's that?

00:01:01.000 Dude, I even posted it.

00:01:02.000 It was like the purge.

00:01:02.000 I was scared.

00:01:03.000 I had my kid in the car.

00:01:05.000 Fucking cuckoo guns, fireworks, smoke.

00:01:09.000 I was like, holy...

00:01:10.000 Guns?

00:01:10.000 Oh yeah, streets blocked off.

00:01:11.000 People just shoot up in the air too, those stupid fucks.

00:01:14.000 They're not like shooting towards the ocean either.

00:01:16.000 No, it was like a rap video.

00:01:18.000 I fucking flew home.

00:01:19.000 I was stressed.

00:01:21.000 Dude, I've been to Venice a few times, and every time I'm there, I'm like, why would anybody live here?

00:01:26.000 No.

00:01:26.000 Well, fuck, you live in the middle of nowhere.

00:01:29.000 I like it.

00:01:30.000 I know, that's your style.

00:01:31.000 I like to be able to walk.

00:01:32.000 I want to be more in the middle of nowhere.

00:01:34.000 I want to go straight to the woods.

00:01:36.000 What's wrong with you?

00:01:37.000 I like it.

00:01:38.000 Your kids might not.

00:01:40.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:01:40.000 Your kids might...

00:01:42.000 I don't think they'd like Venice, either.

00:01:44.000 There's a comfortable medium.

00:01:45.000 There's parts of Venice.

00:01:47.000 Like what?

00:01:47.000 Like, you're on Abbot Kinney, it was just crowded as fuck.

00:01:49.000 Yeah.

00:01:49.000 Well, there's nice little restaurants there.

00:01:51.000 It's a good spot to drop in, get something to eat, and get the fuck out of there.

00:01:53.000 True, but it's just packed.

00:01:54.000 And feel happy that you don't live there.

00:01:56.000 Well, no.

00:01:57.000 See, I live, like, away from there, where it's slower.

00:01:59.000 Like Marina del Rey, right on the beach.

00:02:01.000 That's nice.

00:02:02.000 If you have a Prius, it's a good place to live because the parking spots are all Prius-sized.

00:02:07.000 That's why I can walk everywhere.

00:02:08.000 Because I like to be able to walk everywhere to the gym and everything.

00:02:12.000 Ride my bike, run on the beach.

00:02:14.000 You ain't run on the beach where you're at, son.

00:02:16.000 No.

00:02:16.000 I can run hills, though.

00:02:18.000 It's cool.

00:02:19.000 It's better to run the beach?

00:02:21.000 You like to run the beach?

00:02:22.000 Hell yeah.

00:02:23.000 You can't be a better path, man.

00:02:26.000 You just like being...

00:02:27.000 You don't want neighbors.

00:02:29.000 Well, there's overpopulation.

00:02:31.000 It's not that I don't like neighbors.

00:02:32.000 There's a very clear overpopulation problem.

00:02:35.000 Like, I told you I went to Yellowstone a couple weeks ago, and one of the things that I got out of that about being in Montana and Wyoming is...

00:02:43.000 That, like, you feel more at peace when you're looking at nature and there's less people.

00:02:48.000 It's more relaxing.

00:02:50.000 100%.

00:02:50.000 There's not the hustle.

00:02:51.000 I think you need both, though.

00:02:52.000 But there's a reason why there's no one out there.

00:02:54.000 You're in the middle of fucking nowhere.

00:02:55.000 Your neighbor's with a grizzly bear.

00:02:57.000 That's part of the reason, the big reason, the winter.

00:03:00.000 The winter comes.

00:03:02.000 You can keep that.

00:03:05.000 And you like that shit?

00:03:06.000 I don't mind it.

00:03:08.000 You just stay inside, make a fire.

00:03:10.000 Your kids are going to be miserable if you move them out there.

00:03:12.000 Maybe.

00:03:13.000 Maybe not.

00:03:14.000 Maybe they enjoy it.

00:03:16.000 Saw a bunch of happy kids out there.

00:03:18.000 Right now, you move them out there for good.

00:03:21.000 They have cell phones out there.

00:03:23.000 They have internet.

00:03:24.000 There's very few differences, culturally.

00:03:27.000 No friends.

00:03:28.000 They have each other.

00:03:29.000 Oh, there's plenty of people out there.

00:03:31.000 You just said there's not.

00:03:32.000 35,000 people in the town.

00:03:33.000 That's a lot.

00:03:34.000 That's a lot.

00:03:35.000 That's more than I thought.

00:03:37.000 How many people are in Venice?

00:03:39.000 At least a million.

00:03:41.000 20 million.

00:03:42.000 Venice is the size of a football field.

00:03:44.000 There's a million people living there.

00:03:46.000 You know, Abbott Kenny just got, which is not a good thing, but per square foot, it's the most expensive street in Los Angeles, just beat out Rodeo Drive.

00:03:54.000 Oh, God.

00:03:55.000 Well, I know that is beyond me, but how crazy is that?

00:03:57.000 It makes sense.

00:03:58.000 I've seen real estate in Venice.

00:04:00.000 It's insane.

00:04:01.000 I saw a house for sale that was $14 million, and it was a house.

00:04:05.000 Just a house.

00:04:06.000 Just a fucking house.

00:04:07.000 I mean, it's Venice, man.

00:04:08.000 It's the spot to be.

00:04:09.000 Great restaurants, friendly people.

00:04:12.000 Then there's some Venice foot guys walking around.

00:04:15.000 Not you.

00:04:16.000 No.

00:04:17.000 No.

00:04:18.000 When Callan first moved there, like way, way back in the day, I used to visit him there, and I'd be like, what in the fuck are you doing here, man?

00:04:25.000 Like, why here?

00:04:26.000 Well, but when you first moved here, where are you?

00:04:29.000 Hollywood?

00:04:30.000 No.

00:04:31.000 I first lived in Burbank at one of those Oakwood apartments.

00:04:35.000 Yeah.

00:04:36.000 And then I moved to North Hollywood.

00:04:37.000 My car got broken into.

00:04:39.000 And then I moved to Encino.

00:04:41.000 I mean, North Hollywood, that's a hustle, too.

00:04:44.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:04:45.000 Yeah.

00:04:46.000 So you've been and done that city lifestyle.

00:04:48.000 Yeah.

00:04:49.000 It's just too many people.

00:04:51.000 I agree.

00:04:51.000 It's a lot of people.

00:04:52.000 I just don't think it's healthy.

00:04:53.000 I think you can deal with it, but I think there's an effect of too many people on you all the time, around you all the time.

00:05:02.000 Buzz, buzz, buzz.

00:05:03.000 All that data coming in, I think it affects your thinking process.

00:05:07.000 I think it makes you accelerate.

00:05:08.000 They did a study where they put cameras up in cities, and they monitored the amount of footsteps that people take per minute.

00:05:17.000 And through the amount of footsteps that people take per minute and the amount of syllables that people speak per minute, they can accurately determine how many people live in that city.

00:05:26.000 Damn.

00:05:26.000 Yeah.

00:05:27.000 Like down to like a thousand.

00:05:30.000 You know, they can tell you like, this is two million people.

00:05:33.000 This is a city of five million people.

00:05:34.000 This is a city of six million people.

00:05:36.000 They can tell by watching people walk and by listening to people talk.

00:05:40.000 Because when there's too many people around, everything ramps up and accelerates.

00:05:44.000 Like, when I was in Wyoming, you know, we're driving around Yellowstone, it's so peaceful and relaxed, and I came back here, and the moment we started driving home, I started feeling it.

00:05:55.000 I was like, everyone's driving faster, everyone's cutting everybody off.

00:05:58.000 I'm like, this is a direct response to the overpopulation issue.

00:06:02.000 Is it overpopulation or is it the hustle?

00:06:05.000 It's the American mindset.

00:06:07.000 The hustle where you've got to make money, get a job, provide.

00:06:10.000 Yeah, but it was Sunday.

00:06:11.000 They weren't hustling to go make money.

00:06:13.000 They were just cutting each other off.

00:06:15.000 It's a bummer, for sure.

00:06:16.000 It's a bummer.

00:06:17.000 And plus, people don't really talk to each other anymore.

00:06:20.000 There's not a lot of that.

00:06:21.000 Yeah.

00:06:22.000 Well, I think it's...

00:06:24.000 People aren't as valuable.

00:06:25.000 It's like, if you have...

00:06:26.000 Do you ever see those things about Pablo Escobar that he used to light fires with like a million dollars?

00:06:31.000 Oh yeah.

00:06:32.000 It's because he had so much fucking money, a million dollars wasn't shit to him.

00:06:35.000 Yeah.

00:06:36.000 The same thing happens with people.

00:06:37.000 If you live in a place that has 30 million people stuffed into it, you don't value people the way you value people if you're in a small town.

00:06:46.000 That makes sense.

00:06:47.000 But you also don't know them either.

00:06:48.000 Because you can't.

00:06:49.000 Yeah, you can't.

00:06:50.000 There's no way.

00:06:51.000 No, there's no way.

00:07:10.000 That's a bummer.

00:07:11.000 More than a thousand people in the building.

00:07:12.000 You can go out of your way, though, to meet people.

00:07:14.000 Like, last night I was at dinner at fucking Benihana's.

00:07:17.000 When was the last night I went to Benihana's?

00:07:18.000 Do your kids like Benihana's?

00:07:19.000 Yeah, we go to that place.

00:07:20.000 Alright, there you go.

00:07:22.000 I don't dig it.

00:07:23.000 My girl and her family love it.

00:07:25.000 So yeah, we went there, and you sit with random people.

00:07:28.000 Right.

00:07:29.000 I'm trying to start a conversation because we're having dinner together.

00:07:32.000 We're here for the long haul.

00:07:33.000 It's a fucking show.

00:07:34.000 You're just not getting your steak and then dipping out.

00:07:36.000 He's throwing shrimp at your face and all that shit.

00:07:38.000 So I'm trying to talk to him, and it was exhausting, man, because you would think they wanted something from me.

00:07:43.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:07:44.000 I'm just like, dude, literally just a friendly conversation.

00:07:47.000 So it was weird because we were talking about that last night.

00:07:49.000 I'm like, no one really talks to each other anymore.

00:07:51.000 And this is ridiculous.

00:07:53.000 When I was a kid, I went to Benihana's, and someone paid for my meal.

00:07:58.000 Paid for the table.

00:07:59.000 And I remember I ordered whatever, chicken and shrimp.

00:08:01.000 I only had like $20 in my pocket.

00:08:03.000 And I was so stressed.

00:08:04.000 I had to drink water and all this stuff.

00:08:06.000 So someone paid for the meal and it was like the best day of my life.

00:08:08.000 So I was like, alright, now I'm going to pay it forward.

00:08:10.000 So before we sat down, I didn't know anyone.

00:08:12.000 I just gave the lady my card behind.

00:08:14.000 I'm like, I'm going to cover the table.

00:08:16.000 She's like, alright, cool.

00:08:18.000 Those people I'm trying to talk with, it's their birthday, right?

00:08:24.000 It's his girl's birthday.

00:08:26.000 She starts ordering fucking pina coladas, all sorts of stuff, man.

00:08:32.000 I'm like, god, dog, I fucked up.

00:08:35.000 Or in all sorts of shit.

00:08:36.000 It worked out, though, man.

00:08:38.000 That's fine.

00:08:39.000 It worked out.

00:08:39.000 But literally, I didn't need anything from him.

00:08:42.000 I didn't want anything.

00:08:43.000 I literally just wanted to talk to him, get to know him.

00:08:46.000 But I guess I'm a bigger dude.

00:08:47.000 I got a fucking full-sleeved tattoo, whatever.

00:08:50.000 They were almost scared.

00:08:51.000 And they were on a date.

00:08:52.000 They were on a date, but still.

00:08:54.000 So the dude was probably trying to mack on his lid.

00:08:56.000 He doesn't want some better-looking dude.

00:08:59.000 A little muscular with all tattoos and shit, talking.

00:09:02.000 I was talking to him, though.

00:09:03.000 Yeah, but it doesn't matter.

00:09:04.000 You're eventually going to start talking to his woman.

00:09:06.000 He knows that's coming up.

00:09:07.000 Dude!

00:09:08.000 She's going to get all excited.

00:09:09.000 Oh, so now everyone wants to fuck your girlfriend.

00:09:12.000 That's probably what it is.

00:09:12.000 It's Benihana's!

00:09:13.000 Yeah, it doesn't matter.

00:09:14.000 It's a family environment.

00:09:15.000 People, they have motives.

00:09:17.000 They have ulterior motives.

00:09:18.000 Well, there you go.

00:09:18.000 That's why you live in the fucking mountains by yourself.

00:09:21.000 That's why I'm not starting up conversations with random people at Benihana's and buying their food.

00:09:25.000 You don't talk to them?

00:09:26.000 You don't talk to them?

00:09:28.000 I do.

00:09:28.000 I just don't try hard.

00:09:29.000 I mean, if someone says something, I'll talk.

00:09:32.000 We'll start talking.

00:09:33.000 But I'm like, hey, look at you folks!

00:09:34.000 You guys are going crazy over there with the shrimp, huh?

00:09:37.000 Good shrimp, isn't it?

00:09:38.000 Hey, do you like your shrimp with butter or garlic?

00:09:41.000 Hey, man.

00:09:45.000 You're going to spend some time together.

00:09:47.000 I get it.

00:09:48.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:09:49.000 I get it.

00:09:50.000 Get the fuck out of Venice.

00:09:51.000 It's just rotting your brain, son.

00:09:53.000 Maybe, man.

00:09:54.000 Yeah.

00:09:55.000 So, UFC 200, man.

00:09:56.000 This is not just UFC 200. This whole weekend is crazy.

00:09:59.000 Because it's Thursday night.

00:10:01.000 When was the last time there was not just a world title fight on Fight Pass, but a world title fight between Rafael dos Anjos and Eddie Alvarez on fucking Thursday night?

00:10:12.000 And it's only on Fight Pass?

00:10:14.000 Yeah.

00:10:14.000 What they should do, if it's like a badass fight, they should play that Friday or Saturday for everyone to see.

00:10:18.000 Look at this card.

00:10:19.000 This is a good card for a Thursday night.

00:10:21.000 Goddamn, you got Nelson and...

00:10:23.000 Derek Lewis.

00:10:24.000 Derek Lewis is your co-main event.

00:10:25.000 Alan Joban.

00:10:26.000 That handsome motherfucker's back.

00:10:28.000 And I don't know this gentleman.

00:10:30.000 Bilal Muhammad.

00:10:31.000 Do you know him?

00:10:32.000 Muhammad.

00:10:32.000 Remember the name is his nickname.

00:10:34.000 Oh, come on.

00:10:34.000 Remember the name Muhammad.

00:10:35.000 You motherfuckers with your nicknames.

00:10:37.000 That's intense, man.

00:10:38.000 Remember the name.

00:10:39.000 Get out of here, dude.

00:10:40.000 Maybe he didn't pick that.

00:10:42.000 Joe Duffy back on the fucking warpath against Mitch Clark after Dustin Poirier put a beating on him.

00:10:50.000 Yeah, he did.

00:10:50.000 Yeah, Mike Pyle still doing the damn thing.

00:10:52.000 He is.

00:10:53.000 Jesus Christ.

00:10:54.000 Pyle is what?

00:10:54.000 How old is he now?

00:10:55.000 42, 43?

00:10:57.000 He's been doing it forever.

00:10:59.000 How old is Pyle?

00:11:00.000 He was, of course, Griffin's coach before Force was fighting.

00:11:02.000 Legendary gym fighter.

00:11:04.000 Legendary.

00:11:05.000 Like, before he ever became a UFC guy, like, everybody would talk about him handling dudes.

00:11:09.000 Yeah, I've heard crazy stories about him.

00:11:11.000 He's a tough guy.

00:11:12.000 How old is he?

00:11:13.000 He's at least 40, 41. I would say 43. 40. 40. Okay, I'm wrong.

00:11:22.000 Besides Dan Henderson, is he the oldest guy?

00:11:26.000 Dan Anderson's not young.

00:11:28.000 Anderson and him are probably the same age.

00:11:31.000 Anderson's 40 now, right?

00:11:32.000 But at the lighter weights, it's tougher to maintain this long of a career.

00:11:36.000 How many of these guys are pissed that they weren't 46 years ago when TRT was in full swing?

00:11:43.000 Those are the glory days.

00:11:44.000 The glory days.

00:11:47.000 I don't know, man.

00:11:48.000 I mean, I don't have Fight Pass.

00:11:49.000 I don't watch on Fight Pass.

00:11:50.000 But if that Dos Anjos and Eddie Alvarez cards, that fight is like a fight of the night, you gotta play it on, you know what I'm saying, for the people.

00:11:58.000 Dos Anjos needs it just for notoriety as a world champion at 55. I'm hearing Alvarez stories that he's training like a fucking demon, man.

00:12:08.000 Yeah, I saw his interview that he did where he said he did 150 rounds of sparring.

00:12:13.000 He doesn't believe in overtraining.

00:12:14.000 Excuse me, sir.

00:12:17.000 It's not a debate.

00:12:18.000 It's science.

00:12:18.000 There's overtraining.

00:12:20.000 And he's like, I think someone just made that up because they didn't want to train that day.

00:12:22.000 No, it's not.

00:12:23.000 That's not true.

00:12:24.000 The thing is, you look at his last two fights where he beat Pettis and he beat Melendez.

00:12:29.000 They're not.

00:12:30.000 It's not that.

00:12:31.000 I mean, granted, he beat him, but it's not impressive.

00:12:33.000 Right.

00:12:33.000 He's not like the dream Eddie Alvarez or the Bellator dude knocking dudes out.

00:12:38.000 Like, we haven't seen that Eddie Alvarez yet.

00:12:39.000 And he said that was his plan.

00:12:42.000 But don't you think that a good part of that is because of the competition that he's facing?

00:12:47.000 I mean, he's facing the toughest guys in the world.

00:12:51.000 So you change your fighting style?

00:12:52.000 No, I just don't think he's capable of fighting the same way against those guys and winning.

00:12:56.000 I just don't think that you can go balls out against Pettis and just slug it out with him the way he slugged it out with some guys in other organizations.

00:13:06.000 True.

00:13:07.000 He traded with Melendez, but he has this clinching game now, right?

00:13:12.000 That's his thing.

00:13:13.000 I can't think of a worse matchup for him.

00:13:16.000 Melendez has got a lot of miles on him now at this stage of his career as well.

00:13:19.000 Melendez has had some injuries and a bunch of issues.

00:13:22.000 You know, Alvarez had those fucking wars with Michael Chandler.

00:13:26.000 Did you see how good Michael Chandler looked the other day?

00:13:28.000 Hell yeah.

00:13:29.000 He's a monster.

00:13:30.000 Whoa!

00:13:31.000 He looked good.

00:13:32.000 And not just good because of the knockout punch, but looked good before that.

00:13:35.000 His footwork and movement, everything looked good.

00:13:37.000 I'd love to see him in the UFC. Yeah, I would too.

00:13:40.000 Especially after that fight, man.

00:13:41.000 That one-punch knockout.

00:13:42.000 But I bet Spike is taking care of him.

00:13:45.000 I bet they're giving him some good money.

00:13:47.000 They should.

00:13:48.000 I had a discussion with Mitrione the other day, and I won't discuss his financials, but what he's getting paid, and Chandler being the champ, I'm sure he's getting that paid.

00:13:57.000 Mitrione almost got slept.

00:13:59.000 That was crazy.

00:13:59.000 He did, and he got wobbling.

00:14:01.000 It's crazy how he recovered.

00:14:02.000 And now he's fighting.

00:14:03.000 I know, that's not good.

00:14:05.000 And he was saying, no, that's what I told him.

00:14:06.000 I said, dude, it's not smart and for what?

00:14:07.000 It's not like it's for a title.

00:14:09.000 If it was for a title, yeah, go get your money, become the champ, and then rest.

00:14:13.000 But he's fighting some schmuck, some Ollie Thompson guy who fought in the UFC. I don't think he'd want to fight in the UFC. So he's going over there to beat this guy, but then he's like, dude, that's how much they're paying me.

00:14:23.000 To be honest, it's easy.

00:14:25.000 He didn't say this.

00:14:27.000 But this is me gauging from his matchup.

00:14:29.000 It's easy work from where he's coming.

00:14:31.000 It's super easy work.

00:14:32.000 Maybe.

00:14:33.000 He could probably beat both guys in the same night.

00:14:34.000 Right.

00:14:35.000 But if he did get concussed in that fight, it's hard to tell if he did.

00:14:39.000 100% he has brain.

00:14:41.000 The brain suffered some sort of trauma.

00:14:43.000 Right.

00:14:44.000 You don't get wobbled and just be like, nah, I didn't feel anything.

00:14:46.000 He got sat down too.

00:14:47.000 Like his knees went, his body sat down.

00:14:49.000 Like it was a big deal.

00:14:50.000 He's always been that way.

00:14:51.000 Like when he fought Roy Nelson, he was like, I wasn't even out.

00:14:54.000 I was like, bro, you got fucking rocked, man.

00:14:57.000 Maybe you don't remember it.

00:14:58.000 I'm telling you, that's brain trauma, man.

00:15:01.000 When you get sat down and the lights turn off even for a second, that counts.

00:15:05.000 Oh yeah, 100%.

00:15:06.000 The brain doesn't, if it's a football hit, if it's punch, kick, elbow, that doesn't give a fuck.

00:15:11.000 It's the brain rattling around.

00:15:12.000 Yeah.

00:15:13.000 Some guys take comfort in the fact that they were still conscious.

00:15:16.000 It's like, I didn't go out.

00:15:18.000 John Hendricks said the same thing with Wanderboy.

00:15:20.000 I didn't go out.

00:15:21.000 No, I get that.

00:15:22.000 But if that ref isn't there, you're dead.

00:15:25.000 If this is the streets, you're dead.

00:15:28.000 Yeah, it's a tough call for him.

00:15:31.000 But for Matt, he was just like, yeah, I'm fighting this dude, this dude, this weather payment.

00:15:34.000 I was like, get your money, son.

00:15:35.000 It's tough, because, you know, if he thinks he could stop it, but then those are the fights that sometimes you can get fucked up in, because you think that it's an easy fight.

00:15:43.000 Don't you think?

00:15:44.000 I mean, there's times where you step in and you say, this is a fight that I can win pretty easy.

00:15:49.000 True, there's overconfidence, but...

00:15:52.000 Like Rockhold and Bisping.

00:15:55.000 For sure, Rockhold was overconfident going into that fight.

00:15:59.000 A little too relaxed.

00:16:00.000 Almost disdainful.

00:16:01.000 Just did not give a fuck.

00:16:03.000 Just got murked.

00:16:04.000 Got murked.

00:16:05.000 I woke my baby up.

00:16:07.000 I know you told me.

00:16:08.000 Jumped out of my seat.

00:16:09.000 I was so scared.

00:16:11.000 Did you hear John Jones talk about that?

00:16:13.000 He had a great point.

00:16:13.000 Did you hear his interview?

00:16:14.000 What'd he say?

00:16:15.000 He goes, because the media was like, you know, all this criticism you get for OSP. And he goes, hold on.

00:16:20.000 Criticism?

00:16:21.000 Let's just go over this.

00:16:22.000 It was brilliant shit.

00:16:23.000 He goes, what would you guys like to see?

00:16:26.000 He goes, I thought it was brilliant.

00:16:27.000 He goes, number six guy in the world.

00:16:29.000 Southpaw.

00:16:30.000 They change it on, what, four-day notice or some shit like that?

00:16:32.000 He goes, explosive Southpaw.

00:16:34.000 Number six in the world.

00:16:35.000 He goes, you want me to act and dance around and get knocked out like Anderson Silva did?

00:16:41.000 Or maybe you want me to go in there and not respect them and get knocked out like Luke Rockhold.

00:16:45.000 What do you guys want from me?

00:16:47.000 He goes, to me, those guys will never be the same.

00:16:50.000 Once they get knocked out like that, their legacy is over, man.

00:16:53.000 He's like, that won't be me.

00:16:54.000 I will go down and...

00:16:56.000 Go down as the greatest.

00:16:57.000 He goes, you will never see me like that.

00:16:59.000 John's smarter in his approach.

00:17:01.000 He's definitely smarter in his approach to fights.

00:17:03.000 He takes them very seriously.

00:17:04.000 Even if he's not 100% trained, he doesn't fight reckless.

00:17:08.000 No.

00:17:08.000 He fights, he takes chances, but they're calculated chances.

00:17:12.000 He's improvisational in his movements, but John's a bad motherfucker.

00:17:17.000 I mean, the reason why he's gone into fights...

00:17:20.000 And not trained very much and, you know, and like been like fairly out of shape.

00:17:25.000 It's just his massive belief in what he's been able to pull off inside the octagon.

00:17:31.000 But you would think, especially, what was he, 22 years old when he won the world title against Shogun?

00:17:36.000 Yes, he won 28 against Shogun Newark.

00:17:39.000 So when he's there, if anyone's going to get...

00:17:43.000 Overconfident and do some bullshit.

00:17:45.000 It's gonna be Jon Jones.

00:17:45.000 Right.

00:17:46.000 Dude, to me, that's why he's pound for pound best.

00:17:48.000 Because look at the guys he's fighting.

00:17:50.000 Like DC, he only has one loss.

00:17:52.000 Think about all the guys he's beat.

00:17:54.000 That fight, I don't care what anyone, it wasn't that close.

00:17:57.000 And DC got taken down and kind of broke.

00:18:00.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:18:01.000 So, the guys Jon's beating and what he's doing to him, that's why, to me, he's pound for pound best.

00:18:06.000 Who's Mighty Mouse fighting next?

00:18:08.000 We've been out, you know, you and I go back for it.

00:18:10.000 Wilson Hayes, yeah.

00:18:12.000 Cool, man.

00:18:12.000 Yeah.

00:18:13.000 No, there's no comparison.

00:18:16.000 And then what's next for John?

00:18:17.000 Probably Gusvin?

00:18:18.000 Rumble?

00:18:19.000 Rumble, probably.

00:18:19.000 They're just these fucking monsters.

00:18:21.000 No, Rumble and Glover are going to fight in 202. So perhaps the winner of that.

00:18:28.000 And we saw how it went against, he just dismantled Glover.

00:18:30.000 Yeah.

00:18:31.000 So I'm just saying, at the margin of error for John, and the way he's beating these dudes, that's why he's pound for pound number one, greatest for me.

00:18:38.000 Well, it's definitely an argument.

00:18:39.000 You know, it's a subjective conversation.

00:18:41.000 I think when you look at the movements and what Mighty Mouse is capable of doing inside the octagon, I don't think anybody touches him.

00:18:47.000 But look at level of competition.

00:18:48.000 Well, it's also because he's eliminating so much competition.

00:18:51.000 Like, look what he did to Benavidez.

00:18:53.000 Benavidez is a world-class fighter.

00:18:54.000 Knocks him out in the first round.

00:18:55.000 Look what he does to Henry Cejudo, Olympic gold medalist.

00:18:58.000 Merks him in the first round.

00:18:59.000 He had four fights.

00:19:00.000 Yeah.

00:19:00.000 He had more than that, but I know what you're saying.

00:19:02.000 No, you're not saying in the UFC. You know what I'm saying?

00:19:04.000 Like, he's not this established badass.

00:19:06.000 Like, John's Merkin, Gustafin, Vitor, Glover, Chael.

00:19:11.000 Like, all these legends, man.

00:19:13.000 It's a good point.

00:19:14.000 It's a good point.

00:19:15.000 That's all I'm saying.

00:19:16.000 But that interview, it was so good, man.

00:19:19.000 You guys are going to criticize me for this?

00:19:21.000 Yeah.

00:19:22.000 And Ronda?

00:19:23.000 They overlooked their opponents.

00:19:24.000 I'm not that guy.

00:19:25.000 I respect OSP. Well, not only that, I didn't think that performance was bad.

00:19:29.000 Because first of all, I have a lot of respect for OSP. I think OSP is dangerous as fuck.

00:19:33.000 He hits really hard.

00:19:35.000 He's tough as shit.

00:19:36.000 And we saw that in that fight.

00:19:37.000 He broke his arm in the fourth round.

00:19:39.000 He's explosive, man.

00:19:40.000 Yeah, very explosive.

00:19:41.000 You can't fuck around with OSP. And also a Southpaw, Joe.

00:19:45.000 You know this, when people that have never fought before, when you change from a traditional stance to a Southpaw, you're talking a world of difference.

00:19:53.000 The game plan's out the window.

00:19:54.000 For him to do it on that short notice is nuts.

00:19:56.000 Yeah.

00:19:57.000 No, it is.

00:19:58.000 I mean, and he did it because he realized that, you know, he was behind the eight ball already going into that fight with all his personal problems, all the bullshit.

00:20:06.000 He had to take that fight, or he felt like he had to, to get sort of like back in the fans' good graces.

00:20:12.000 I did not think it was a bad performance.

00:20:14.000 A lot of people are saying he looked terrible.

00:20:15.000 No.

00:20:16.000 No, I think he fought a really tough guy.

00:20:17.000 And he fought smart.

00:20:19.000 Yeah.

00:20:19.000 Didn't really take that many chances.

00:20:21.000 Fought really smart.

00:20:22.000 But also, his mom that week got her leg amputated.

00:20:25.000 Yep.

00:20:25.000 What?

00:20:25.000 Yep.

00:20:26.000 And, you know what, he didn't fight for what, 15 months before that?

00:20:29.000 I think it was 16. So 16 months.

00:20:31.000 So he had that, because if that same John fought DC that night, he'd been in trouble.

00:20:36.000 Yeah, maybe.

00:20:37.000 I don't know.

00:20:38.000 Or maybe he shows, maybe he hits another switch.

00:20:41.000 Well, one of the things that he said when I interviewed him after the fight is it wasn't physical.

00:20:46.000 He's like, physically, I felt great.

00:20:48.000 He's just like, I just wasn't doing the things that I wanted to do.

00:20:52.000 I wasn't executing when I wanted to.

00:20:54.000 I was hesitating.

00:20:55.000 I think...

00:20:57.000 We're good to go.

00:21:13.000 All the scrutiny, all that, that was a lot.

00:21:16.000 And then on top of that, he's also changed his camp up quite a bit because he started doing a lot of powerlifting.

00:21:21.000 Did you hear him talk about that?

00:21:22.000 Yeah, he said that it hurt him.

00:21:24.000 He's not lifting anymore?

00:21:25.000 Yeah.

00:21:26.000 Well, I don't know if that's the answer, but he hasn't lifted this camp.

00:21:29.000 Well, you know, some people believe that you should do it, and some people believe that you shouldn't, and some people believe that it's something to do in between camps, and that what you really should be concentrating on during camp is plyos.

00:21:41.000 Correct.

00:21:42.000 Yeah.

00:21:42.000 I think that's the...

00:21:44.000 And I think most experts agree.

00:21:46.000 Like, outside of camp, you build this shell.

00:21:49.000 You build your body as healthy and as big as it can get, and then you go into camp and you ditch that heavy lift and all that stuff and just focus on your cardio, explosiveness, footwork, and stuff like that.

00:21:58.000 I had a really good conversation with Diego about that once, Diego Sanchez, and he was talking about how he treats it.

00:22:03.000 Diego's very smart in his preparation, and that he takes time, like in between, say he has a fight, like he's fighting Jim Miller this weekend?

00:22:13.000 Lozon.

00:22:13.000 Oh, that's right, he's fighting Lozon.

00:22:15.000 So he's fighting Lozon this weekend, right.

00:22:18.000 Did he just fight Jim Miller?

00:22:19.000 Yes.

00:22:20.000 Yes, he won, right?

00:22:21.000 Beat Jim Miller.

00:22:22.000 No, I thought Jim Miller won.

00:22:24.000 Who the fuck won that fight?

00:22:25.000 I thought Jim Miller won by decision.

00:22:27.000 Really?

00:22:28.000 Maybe I just picked him to win.

00:22:30.000 Man, I'm trying to remember that fight.

00:22:32.000 I don't remember that fight at all.

00:22:34.000 Me neither.

00:22:34.000 What's that?

00:22:35.000 Diego Sanchez.

00:22:35.000 Yeah, he did win.

00:22:37.000 So Diego does all of his pre, before the fight, like, you know, before fight camp starts, he does a lot of physical training.

00:22:47.000 He gets his cardio very high.

00:22:48.000 He gets his weightlifting up.

00:22:49.000 He does all this different stuff, but he doesn't do any sparring.

00:22:52.000 He's just drilling, does some drilling, but he's mostly concentrating on physical preparation, like weightlifting, yoga, all that jazz.

00:23:00.000 Then He gets in a peak state of physical condition, then he enters a camp.

00:23:05.000 Fully trained, very high rate of cardio.

00:23:09.000 He's not out of shape when he gets into camp.

00:23:11.000 And then when he's in camp, then he concentrates on his skill sets.

00:23:15.000 That's interesting.

00:23:16.000 Yeah, I think it's a smart way to do it.

00:23:17.000 Because Klitschko does obviously completely different sports.

00:23:20.000 The Klitschko brothers did it opposite.

00:23:22.000 They would do...

00:23:26.000 They call it pre-camp.

00:23:27.000 They just focus on skills and like their jab, the straight right, the very basics for two or three weeks.

00:23:35.000 And then when they go into camp, they'd add in everything else.

00:23:38.000 But the first couple weeks camp was just the basics.

00:23:41.000 Very, very basics.

00:23:42.000 That's also, he's in his 40s, Klitschko is, right, isn't he?

00:23:45.000 This is before that.

00:23:46.000 I don't know what he's doing now.

00:23:47.000 This is before, yeah.

00:23:48.000 How old is Klitschko?

00:23:49.000 42. 42. I'd say 42, but am I off on that, Jamie?

00:23:54.000 Heavily relies on Mexican supplements, right?

00:23:56.000 The Russians have been known to dabble.

00:23:58.000 They've been known to dabble.

00:24:00.000 And he looks fantastic.

00:24:02.000 He is bodied up.

00:24:03.000 Hey, did you see what Brock Lesnar said?

00:24:05.000 Did you see what Brock Lesnar said?

00:24:07.000 Yeah.

00:24:07.000 Hey, I'm white and I'm jacked.

00:24:10.000 Get over it.

00:24:10.000 Yeah.

00:24:13.000 Dude, I like Brock.

00:24:14.000 I give him a lot of shit.

00:24:15.000 I actually like him.

00:24:15.000 When I saw that, I'm like, fuck, hell yeah, man.

00:24:17.000 Good for you.

00:24:18.000 He's a character.

00:24:19.000 He's a character.

00:24:19.000 He's a fucking character.

00:24:20.000 I would bet my entire life that he's dabbled in some of that stuff.

00:24:24.000 That's just what they do in WWE. Oh, well, when he was over there, for sure.

00:24:28.000 But he's been tested five times, or was tested five times when last I heard about it.

00:24:32.000 True.

00:24:32.000 When he was cleared.

00:24:34.000 Look at this.

00:24:35.000 Klitschko and Tyson Fury.

00:24:36.000 Meanwhile, the guy on the right beat him.

00:24:38.000 He's 40, by the way.

00:24:39.000 He's 40?

00:24:40.000 Yeah.

00:24:40.000 Dad Bod beat him.

00:24:41.000 Dad bod.

00:24:42.000 Yeah.

00:24:43.000 They didn't beat the shit out of him.

00:24:44.000 He beat him.

00:24:45.000 He beat him.

00:24:45.000 Fucked his head up before the fight.

00:24:47.000 That was the big deal.

00:24:48.000 I think Klitschko beats him in the rematch.

00:24:49.000 You think so?

00:24:50.000 Yeah.

00:24:51.000 It was such a boring fight.

00:24:54.000 Oh, with Brock Lesnar.

00:24:55.000 Did you hear what Mark Hunt said?

00:24:57.000 Mark goes, they told me like three months ago, hey man, be ready for UFC 200 because we might use you so make sure you're in shape.

00:25:06.000 And he's like, they've never done that.

00:25:09.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:25:10.000 So it's like...

00:25:11.000 If you're batshit crazy, if you think Brock four weeks ago was like, yeah, I'll fight at 200. Are they going to test me?

00:25:18.000 I'm fine.

00:25:18.000 I'm clear.

00:25:19.000 Like, it was obviously a plan.

00:25:21.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:25:21.000 And I'm not mad at it.

00:25:22.000 I get it for entertainment.

00:25:23.000 I can't wait to see the fight.

00:25:25.000 But you're batshit crazy if you don't think this has been an ongoing thing, and they're just saving this fucking bat card to save the card.

00:25:32.000 Well, I know it was an ongoing thing.

00:25:33.000 I can tell you.

00:25:34.000 I'll tell you everything that happened.

00:25:36.000 Okay.

00:25:37.000 There was a bunch of difficulties in pulling this off.

00:25:39.000 Because of WWE? Exactly.

00:25:41.000 A lot of it dealt with Vince.

00:25:43.000 And Vince McMahon, I call him Vince because I don't know him at all.

00:25:48.000 My boy V. We're tight.

00:25:50.000 My boy Vinny.

00:25:52.000 So there was a lot of work to pull this off, and it was touch or go.

00:25:56.000 Touch and go.

00:25:57.000 They weren't sure whether or not they were going to be able to pull it off.

00:26:00.000 So it was something that they tried to get done, but it took a long fucking time.

00:26:04.000 There was a lot of finagling.

00:26:06.000 And they've had some cooperation before, like Rhonda.

00:26:10.000 She went over there and did some shows, right?

00:26:13.000 Or did a show.

00:26:14.000 Yeah, completely did.

00:26:15.000 Yeah, but...

00:26:17.000 But that cross-promotion can benefit them.

00:26:19.000 For sure.

00:26:20.000 Both parties.

00:26:21.000 Both parties.

00:26:22.000 So I think they wanted to work some stuff out and figure out how to do it right and whether or not they were going to do it right and whether or not...

00:26:28.000 You know, it ain't easy to pull those things off when you got a company like the WWE and a company like the UFC and they...

00:26:35.000 There's egos, then Brock's their freaking boy.

00:26:39.000 Obviously, he's their cash cow, and then he's the biggest draw of all time in the UFC. I get that.

00:26:44.000 I wonder what could happen if Mark Hunt lays him out.

00:26:49.000 You know, I mean, and here's another thing.

00:26:52.000 Like, the reason why he stepped back...

00:26:55.000 One of the reasons he talked about when he said he wasn't going to fight again was a few years back, right?

00:26:59.000 Three years ago.

00:27:00.000 He said he was concerned about concussions.

00:27:03.000 Brock said that?

00:27:04.000 Yeah.

00:27:04.000 And then he's Mark Hunt?

00:27:06.000 And he's fighting...

00:27:06.000 Bitch, you're fighting Mr. Concussion.

00:27:08.000 Captain Concussion.

00:27:09.000 It's fucking Captain Concussion over there.

00:27:11.000 Ask Roy Nelson!

00:27:12.000 I mean, yeah.

00:27:13.000 I mean, he's fighting...

00:27:14.000 Captain Concussion.

00:27:15.000 One of the best strikers to ever compete in MMA in the heavyweight division.

00:27:19.000 The hardest hitter in the world.

00:27:21.000 If you gave me a list, he's number one.

00:27:23.000 He's certainly in the list.

00:27:25.000 I mean, he's more skillful than...

00:27:27.000 I mean, you might have a guy that hits harder than him physically.

00:27:30.000 Name someone in the heavyweight division.

00:27:32.000 He knocked out Roy Nelson, sir.

00:27:35.000 That's true.

00:27:37.000 I mean, it's arguable.

00:27:40.000 And then in K1, he knocked out some monsters.

00:27:43.000 He knocked out a lot of fucking people.

00:27:44.000 There's no doubt about it.

00:27:45.000 He hits very, very hard.

00:27:47.000 That's why you look at Brock and his career.

00:27:49.000 I give him shit about the WD and all that.

00:27:51.000 As far as an athlete and him, the balls of doing what he's doing, because he doesn't have that many fights, and they just threw him to the fucking dogs.

00:27:59.000 You remember he started with Heath Herring, then he was Frank Mayer, then he's Randy Couture, Frank Mayer.

00:28:04.000 And he fought Uber Eam.

00:28:05.000 He fought the Uber.

00:28:07.000 And got dealt with.

00:28:08.000 He said, I ain't the Undertaker.

00:28:10.000 We ain't rehearsing this.

00:28:12.000 Here's a kick to the straight liver, son.

00:28:14.000 Remember that?

00:28:16.000 He wasn't worried about being taken down at all.

00:28:18.000 Didn't give a fuck.

00:28:20.000 Uber Eam looked so good in that fight.

00:28:22.000 To me, that's the hardest fighter ever to beat in the world.

00:28:25.000 Yeah, Uber Eam.

00:28:26.000 I was scared.

00:28:27.000 I was still on the UFC roster, like, oh my god, what if they call me with him?

00:28:29.000 What the fuck am I gonna do?

00:28:31.000 What the fuck am I gonna do?

00:28:32.000 It's not a good guy to fight.

00:28:34.000 Not that one.

00:28:35.000 Well, it's that one.

00:28:37.000 It's almost, I almost want to see what he could have done.

00:28:41.000 You know, if we were on old school testing.

00:28:44.000 Oh, everyone getting fucked up.

00:28:46.000 Yeah.

00:28:46.000 We all going Sizzler.

00:28:48.000 I mean, that's a good picture right there where you get to see what he looked like, but that's...

00:28:52.000 Show him flexing right there, son.

00:28:54.000 Yeah, that's the picture.

00:28:56.000 Good googly moogly.

00:28:57.000 At least you're in the back just like, God damn.

00:28:59.000 What in the fuck?

00:29:00.000 I was like, okay, how's he keeping that much mass on with all that training?

00:29:03.000 You know how.

00:29:04.000 Yeah, I know how.

00:29:05.000 You know exactly how.

00:29:06.000 Mexican supplements.

00:29:08.000 Fantastic.

00:29:09.000 But it's fair.

00:29:10.000 You're crazy if you don't think Brock was doing something.

00:29:12.000 It's a fair fight.

00:29:14.000 Well, there's a lot of things that are fair about it.

00:29:17.000 Skillfully, I mean, skill-wise, look, Overeem is a far superior MMA fighter.

00:29:25.000 Far superior.

00:29:26.000 Oh, striking.

00:29:27.000 It's almost hard to put into context how much better he is.

00:29:31.000 They're on the same fucking planet.

00:29:33.000 Yeah.

00:29:34.000 I mean, he's so much better than...

00:29:36.000 And Overeem knew it, too, because Overeem had seen Brock struggle with Shane and seen Brock get beat up by Kane, and he knew what he was going to do to him.

00:29:46.000 I mean, that was a confident, juice-to-the-tits Overeem.

00:29:50.000 And he came in guns blazing.

00:29:54.000 No shit.

00:29:56.000 I mean, he didn't like it.

00:29:57.000 Just walking forward.

00:29:58.000 Shoot that bullshit college double leg.

00:30:01.000 Go ahead and shoot that.

00:30:03.000 Go ahead and fucking shoot that.

00:30:05.000 Ask Fajita how that happened.

00:30:06.000 Go ahead and fucking shoot.

00:30:09.000 But I'll tell you what, man, I like the way Overeem fights now.

00:30:13.000 He's fighting smart as fuck now.

00:30:15.000 He moves around a lot, picks his openings, throws those leg kicks when he needs them, and when he lands bombs on motherfuckers, he's hurting people.

00:30:24.000 The way he took out Junior, yes.

00:30:26.000 Yes.

00:30:26.000 Very skillful.

00:30:28.000 Very skillful.

00:30:29.000 The way he fought Junior Dos Santos, I was heavily impressed.

00:30:32.000 And a lot of people were like, Junior's done.

00:30:33.000 And then you see Junior box the fucking ears off of Ben Rothwell, and you go, but Junior's not done at all.

00:30:39.000 He looked better than ever.

00:30:40.000 That's just how good over him is.

00:30:41.000 That's how good over him is.

00:30:42.000 I mean, you're talking about a world-class kickboxer.

00:30:46.000 Real world-class.

00:30:47.000 K-1 Grand Prix champion.

00:30:50.000 Oh, he's the most decorated guy in the UFC, striking-wise.

00:30:52.000 Can you think of someone better?

00:30:54.000 Hunt.

00:30:55.000 Hunt, you know, is the only one.

00:30:57.000 But honestly, when Hunt won the Grand Prix, Hunt lost a decision, and then the guy he fought couldn't go on in the finals, and then he went on the finals and won.

00:31:08.000 Correct.

00:31:09.000 See, the Grand Prix is a sketchy fucking thing.

00:31:12.000 Because...

00:31:13.000 You know, it's a tournament and so you got to fight multiple times in a night and if you fight a guy who won by first round knockout and you went through a three round war or Even worse some of these guys went through through like when Joe Schilling fought in that last man standing tournament in Los Angeles when he fought Simon Marcus He went three rounds.

00:31:33.000 It was a draw.

00:31:34.000 They went to a fourth round.

00:31:36.000 And then he knocked him out in a fourth round.

00:31:38.000 But he had been dropped in that fight.

00:31:39.000 And then you've got to think that fighting like that, it's touch and go.

00:31:45.000 So the guy who makes it to the finals might not be the best guy.

00:31:49.000 He might just be less beat up from the earlier fights.

00:31:53.000 Very fucking cool.

00:31:54.000 It's kind of cool.

00:31:55.000 Yeah.

00:31:55.000 It had a little bit of luck to do with it.

00:31:58.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:31:59.000 Yeah.

00:31:59.000 Like, if this punch lands, I get out of there.

00:32:01.000 Well, didn't Overeem beat Gokhan Saki in the finals?

00:32:05.000 And I believe Saki had a broken arm going into that fight.

00:32:08.000 That's right.

00:32:09.000 Yeah.

00:32:09.000 So, there's that.

00:32:11.000 But Overeem, as far as just pure striking, right now, I don't think there's anyone better.

00:32:16.000 He knocked out Badr Hari!

00:32:18.000 Yeah.

00:32:18.000 In a kickboxing bout.

00:32:20.000 He did.

00:32:21.000 But the thing is...

00:32:21.000 But Batarhari stopped him.

00:32:22.000 But he KO'd Batarhari with a fucking left hook.

00:32:26.000 From...

00:32:27.000 Boom!

00:32:27.000 Pluto.

00:32:28.000 Yeah, but he's fucking way bigger, though.

00:32:30.000 What's Batarhari thinking?

00:32:32.000 Well, Batarhari, he's been known to dabble in the Mexican supplements himself.

00:32:36.000 Yeah.

00:32:37.000 He got pretty goddamn big.

00:32:38.000 But Batarhari was going through a bunch of personal issues.

00:32:41.000 He'd been breaking dudes' legs in nightclubs.

00:32:42.000 I'm not fucking a therapist.

00:32:43.000 Lighting planets on fire.

00:32:45.000 He's crazy.

00:32:46.000 Yeah, he just seemed mean, huh?

00:32:47.000 He just seemed mean as fuck.

00:32:49.000 That whole camp, Mike's gym is filled with monsters.

00:32:52.000 Just Melvin, Melvin Manhoof, you know?

00:32:55.000 That's right.

00:32:55.000 Woo, they got some monsters over there.

00:32:56.000 Monsters!

00:32:57.000 But the thing, my point was, is for Brock, with his experience, fighting these fucking monsters.

00:33:03.000 And right now, Brock doesn't need money, although I'm sure he's getting paid the most out of any fighter ever right now.

00:33:08.000 He doesn't need money.

00:33:09.000 He's just doing it for the competition.

00:33:11.000 Yeah.

00:33:11.000 Which it shows you the type of balls on this dude.

00:33:14.000 Well, he has the type of balls anyway.

00:33:16.000 I mean, you're talking about a guy who won the world title against Randy Couture in his fourth professional fight.

00:33:25.000 Fucking crazy.

00:33:26.000 No, that is crazy.

00:33:28.000 That's fucking crazy.

00:33:29.000 I mean, it's David Goliath.

00:33:30.000 It is David vs.

00:33:31.000 Goliath, but it's still Randy fucking Couture.

00:33:34.000 Randy Couture, even though he might have been the David in the David vs.

00:33:37.000 Goliath, that's a tough out.

00:33:39.000 It's a tough out.

00:33:41.000 That's a tough fucking dude.

00:33:42.000 For sure.

00:33:42.000 And, you know, and Randy has so much experience.

00:33:45.000 He's so grizzled.

00:33:47.000 That's where sometimes size is just like, huh?

00:33:49.000 Well, Brock is just so big.

00:33:51.000 And Randy was just trying to strike with him.

00:33:54.000 He's like standing in the pocket, like slugging it out.

00:33:57.000 I think he thought that that would be his best way to win, you know?

00:34:01.000 I mean, keep that big fucker off of him.

00:34:04.000 And Brock dropped him with a punch.

00:34:06.000 Behind the air.

00:34:07.000 Yeah, Brock is a gorilla.

00:34:08.000 He really is just a big vanilla gorilla.

00:34:10.000 He's a freak, man.

00:34:11.000 They got some balls on him.

00:34:12.000 Yeah.

00:34:13.000 No doubt about it, but it's interesting that a guy takes this much time off the sport and comes off of two tremendous beatings against two of the very best in the division.

00:34:26.000 And they weren't close.

00:34:27.000 No.

00:34:27.000 It's not like...

00:34:28.000 You know, John Jones Gusslin or John Jones DC where it went to decision.

00:34:31.000 We're like, fuck, I'd like to see that again.

00:34:33.000 You know, you got murked.

00:34:34.000 Yeah.

00:34:34.000 And maybe he was sick.

00:34:36.000 Granted, he was saying he was sick.

00:34:37.000 Certainly for the Cain fight.

00:34:38.000 For the Cain fight, he was sick.

00:34:39.000 And then for the ovary fight, he's recovering from surgery by like six months.

00:34:44.000 I mean, cold-blooded.

00:34:45.000 He had a...

00:34:46.000 Right in the gut.

00:34:47.000 Right in the gut.

00:34:47.000 God, dog.

00:34:48.000 And need him in the gut, too.

00:34:49.000 Hey, man.

00:34:50.000 Yeah.

00:34:50.000 Over him, just playing for keeps, man.

00:34:52.000 Yeah.

00:34:53.000 Well, you got to do.

00:34:54.000 You fucking got him, man.

00:34:55.000 Look, nobody had any sympathy for Brock.

00:34:57.000 You saw what Brock did to Frank Mir.

00:34:59.000 Beat his face in, and then was pointing at him and screaming at him.

00:35:02.000 And Frank was so out of it, he didn't even know what was going on.

00:35:05.000 I mean, Frank had just got sent to the outer stretches of the universe.

00:35:09.000 Yeah.

00:35:10.000 That build-up was so rough, though.

00:35:12.000 Remember Brock walk off during the countdowns?

00:35:15.000 Like, how did it feel to get submitted?

00:35:16.000 Like, FUCK THIS! And then Frank just kept jabbing him, jabbing him, jabbing him.

00:35:24.000 And then finally, he fucking...

00:35:26.000 He beat the shit out of him.

00:35:28.000 Tenderized that face.

00:35:29.000 It was awful.

00:35:29.000 So bad.

00:35:30.000 Tough to watch.

00:35:31.000 It was that KO and Shane's KO of Mir.

00:35:34.000 Both of those two together.

00:35:36.000 If you watch those two side by side, you're like, whoa.

00:35:39.000 It's a rough day in the office.

00:35:39.000 This guy's had some tough losses.

00:35:43.000 He's been doing it since he was 19. And now he's suspended, right?

00:35:46.000 Yeah.

00:35:47.000 What did he test positive for?

00:35:50.000 The same shit that...

00:35:52.000 Melodonium?

00:35:53.000 That stuff?

00:35:54.000 Maybe.

00:35:56.000 Melodium?

00:35:57.000 I doubt it.

00:35:58.000 That sounds like some shit from Krypton.

00:36:00.000 Yeah, it does.

00:36:00.000 Doesn't it sound fake?

00:36:02.000 He's taking Melodium.

00:36:03.000 Nah, I don't think...

00:36:04.000 He might have been taking some real shit.

00:36:07.000 Yeah?

00:36:07.000 Yeah, I mean, you're a heavyweight.

00:36:08.000 What are you doing taking that shit?

00:36:10.000 Well, probably just trying to keep his muscle mass.

00:36:13.000 You know, there's a lot of guys that, especially late into their career, they start developing real testosterone problems, pituitary gland damage.

00:36:22.000 It's a real common issue with older fighters.

00:36:24.000 Well, with concussion.

00:36:26.000 With football and professional fighters.

00:36:28.000 Yeah.

00:36:29.000 Because with head trauma, it lowers your testosterone.

00:36:31.000 Yeah.

00:36:31.000 Yep.

00:36:32.000 Lows you to testosterone.

00:36:33.000 Even if you look the same, you don't feel the same.

00:36:35.000 You feel depressed.

00:36:36.000 You have low energy.

00:36:38.000 Even if you keep most of the muscle mass, or at least you look like it, it's hard to tell.

00:36:43.000 A guy might weigh the same, but now he might be 20% body fat instead of 10 or 15. So 5% more body fat, but really the quality of his body, the way it moves, it's just not the same.

00:36:57.000 Completely.

00:36:57.000 Completely different.

00:36:58.000 The last thing to go is power and the speed and quickness, you know, is the first.

00:37:03.000 But with heavyweights, that's why you look at the heavyweight division, everyone's old, man.

00:37:06.000 They still have all this power left.

00:37:08.000 So it's hard to tell a guy like Frank, you should probably retire, man.

00:37:12.000 He was on our show a while ago, and he was just coming off that loss, and I was going to ask about retirement.

00:37:17.000 He wasn't even thinking about it.

00:37:18.000 I was like, hell no.

00:37:19.000 Why would I do that?

00:37:19.000 Look at the division, man.

00:37:20.000 Everyone's old.

00:37:21.000 It's hard to argue.

00:37:22.000 Yeah.

00:37:23.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:37:24.000 It's really hard to argue.

00:37:25.000 Because you look at guys like Orlovsky, who, old as fuck, came back, almost fucked for the title.

00:37:29.000 Orlovsky's been stopped so many times.

00:37:31.000 And just doing the damn thing.

00:37:32.000 Just keep on, keep on.

00:37:33.000 What chin?

00:37:34.000 Crazy.

00:37:35.000 Just keep going.

00:37:36.000 It's crazy when you think about how many times.

00:37:37.000 Look at Verdun.

00:37:37.000 Verdun was cut.

00:37:38.000 World champ.

00:37:39.000 Came back.

00:37:40.000 All these older dudes.

00:37:41.000 Roy's not young.

00:37:43.000 No.

00:37:43.000 Roy was on fucking Ultimate Fighter.

00:37:44.000 36 years old.

00:37:45.000 Just fucking...

00:37:46.000 Goddamn, I'm 22. What the fuck is he doing here?

00:37:50.000 You have kids?

00:37:51.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:37:51.000 I was like, God, dawg, what are you doing here?

00:37:54.000 Yeah, there's not a lot of fresh, young guns.

00:37:58.000 Stipe's the youngest, and he's the champ.

00:38:00.000 Yeah, and he's the champ.

00:38:01.000 How old is Stipe?

00:38:03.000 Stipe's 31?

00:38:04.000 He's in his prime.

00:38:07.000 Tough fight against Overeem in Cleveland.

00:38:09.000 Yeah.

00:38:11.000 33?

00:38:12.000 God, dawg.

00:38:13.000 Yeah, it's a tough fight against Overeem.

00:38:16.000 Overeem right now is coming to his own.

00:38:18.000 He's gotten real comfortable, and he's into that Wim Hof breathing method.

00:38:22.000 Oh shit.

00:38:23.000 Yeah, he's doing all that shit.

00:38:24.000 That's made a big difference, man.

00:38:26.000 I think psychologically it's made a big difference too.

00:38:29.000 He's been working with Wim Hof for several fights now, and he's won.

00:38:33.000 Something's working for him.

00:38:35.000 Yeah.

00:38:35.000 But with Stipe, everyone talks about these super camps.

00:38:37.000 You have to come from a super camp.

00:38:39.000 Not Stipe.

00:38:40.000 No.

00:38:40.000 Some motherfuckers putting out fires and then jumping in the gym, training with fucking Billy from Kinko's, whooping his ass, became world champ.

00:38:47.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:38:49.000 When they fight in Cleveland, what card is that?

00:38:51.000 September?

00:38:52.000 That's September, right?

00:38:53.000 I think so.

00:38:55.000 Goddamn.

00:38:56.000 When is that, Jamie?

00:38:58.000 For Stipe, he has to apply pressure, but he likes to wrestle, and people forget, fucking Overeem can wrestle, man.

00:39:06.000 He certainly can.

00:39:07.000 He's trouble.

00:39:07.000 That motherfucker can wrestle, and he can grapple.

00:39:10.000 Yeah, he certainly can.

00:39:11.000 When is that?

00:39:12.000 September 10th, UFC 203. Excellent.

00:39:15.000 That 202 card.

00:39:16.000 Whew.

00:39:17.000 Yeah, there's a lot of great cards coming up, but let's put up the graphic, Jamie, for 200. Shit, I almost said 100. You think it's the greatest card of all time, huh?

00:39:31.000 Man, it might be.

00:39:32.000 I'd have to agree with you.

00:39:33.000 It might be.

00:39:34.000 I mean, look what we got here.

00:39:35.000 We got Jon Jones and Daniel Cormier as the main event.

00:39:38.000 That is an epic goddamn fight.

00:39:39.000 That's an epic fight.

00:39:41.000 Epic.

00:39:42.000 I got a question for you, Joe.

00:39:43.000 Okay.

00:39:44.000 Let's say you could only watch one fight, and it's either DC, Jon Jones, or Lesnar, Mark Hunt.

00:39:50.000 Which gets more views?

00:39:51.000 More views is Lesnar, Hunt.

00:39:53.000 Easy.

00:39:54.000 Yeah.

00:39:54.000 Not even close.

00:39:55.000 100%.

00:39:55.000 Because without Lesnar on this card, this thing ain't breaking records.

00:40:00.000 But me personally, I want to watch DC and Jones.

00:40:04.000 Me personally.

00:40:05.000 But it's a very close second for the freak show factor.

00:40:10.000 Lesnar and Hunt's a very close second.

00:40:12.000 But DC and Jones is my number one pick for that card because I want to see how DC figures out.

00:40:18.000 Look, I think DC, when he fought Jones the first time, I think Jon Jones fucked him up with the wrestling.

00:40:24.000 I think he didn't expect that.

00:40:25.000 He didn't expect Jon to be so big and strong.

00:40:27.000 I think Jon outperformed.

00:40:32.000 Outworked him, beat him.

00:40:34.000 I think John just beat him.

00:40:35.000 I think DC's a better fighter now.

00:40:38.000 I think having gotten through Rumble, having gone through Gustafson, and I think DC... Made some real good points about, you know, how he would have performed versus how OSP would have performed in that fight.

00:40:53.000 It might have been an interesting fight.

00:40:55.000 And I think he's coming into this fight much more confident and much more able to handle the trash talking and the bullshit.

00:41:03.000 That first fight was super emotional.

00:41:06.000 Super emotional.

00:41:06.000 It's getting a little emotional now.

00:41:08.000 You see Jon Jones gets under his skin and it doesn't faze Jon.

00:41:11.000 And I love DC. DC knows this.

00:41:14.000 I'm way closer to DC than I am, Jon.

00:41:16.000 I just don't see what DC's gonna do different at his age and his training camp, what he's gonna do different to beat John.

00:41:23.000 Look at leg reach.

00:41:25.000 John's 45 inches, DC, zero.

00:41:28.000 Hey, USC, how about you measure DC's legs?

00:41:31.000 Let's at least get it out there.

00:41:32.000 Everybody already knows that John has an advantage.

00:41:34.000 You can't just write zero inches, you fucks.

00:41:37.000 Maybe just take out both.

00:41:38.000 Who's running the fucking website?

00:41:39.000 How hard is it to do that?

00:41:41.000 If I was Dana White, I'd be fucking...

00:41:43.000 Details, son.

00:41:44.000 I'd be pulling my eyebrows out right now.

00:41:46.000 Details.

00:41:46.000 I'd be going crazy.

00:41:47.000 What the fuck are you doing?

00:41:48.000 Why does it say zero?

00:41:49.000 That's not good.

00:41:50.000 I just don't...

00:41:51.000 I'm not that intrigued with this fight.

00:41:53.000 The same...

00:41:54.000 It's so weird.

00:41:54.000 I don't...

00:41:55.000 And I know I'll get shit for it.

00:41:56.000 Like, the Dominic Cruz, you're right, Faber, did nothing for me.

00:41:59.000 I love both those guys.

00:42:01.000 Really?

00:42:01.000 Yeah, I wasn't like, I gotta see this.

00:42:03.000 DC John?

00:42:04.000 Yeah, it's weird.

00:42:05.000 I don't know why, Joan.

00:42:07.000 Maybe you can help me.

00:42:08.000 With DC John, I'm more interested to see the version of John that comes out, because that OSP one was very safe, John, just getting through to get to DC. That first fight to me wasn't that close.

00:42:21.000 And DC has one style of fighting.

00:42:24.000 One fucking style.

00:42:25.000 And we've seen how that goes against John.

00:42:27.000 Good luck, man.

00:42:28.000 It was close enough that I think it's intriguing.

00:42:31.000 Because it was five rounds.

00:42:32.000 And I think DC lost the majority of the rounds.

00:42:36.000 Clearly lost the decision.

00:42:37.000 Clearly lost.

00:42:38.000 But I think he posed enough problems, given the fact that I think that he was compromised emotionally going into that fight.

00:42:47.000 I think he was overwhelmed.

00:42:48.000 And I think he's learned and gotten better since then.

00:42:50.000 So I'm curious.

00:42:51.000 I'm curious.

00:42:52.000 You know, if I was a betting man, and I am a betting man.

00:42:57.000 You would 100% put money on Jon Jones.

00:43:00.000 Unless you hate money.

00:43:01.000 Based on the first fight.

00:43:02.000 Yes.

00:43:03.000 You'd have to.

00:43:04.000 And also, I think Jon needed that warm-up fight.

00:43:06.000 I think having a fight against a guy like OSP, being off for 16 months, and then taking on a top six guy in OSP who's a dangerous motherfucker and beating him.

00:43:16.000 And, you know, people say he didn't look good.

00:43:18.000 I just disagree.

00:43:19.000 I disagree, too.

00:43:19.000 I think it was a tough guy.

00:43:21.000 He fought a tough guy.

00:43:22.000 Awkward guy.

00:43:23.000 Yeah, I think he performed very well.

00:43:25.000 So that's my number one fight, for sure.

00:43:29.000 But for the freak show factor...

00:43:31.000 Lesnar Hunt?

00:43:32.000 Lesnar Hunt's the freakiest freak show of the freak shows.

00:43:35.000 And by the way, when they were talking years ago about Brock Lesnar coming back, and Dana and I were having a conversation, I said, please, Mark Hunt.

00:43:44.000 Please.

00:43:45.000 Oh, you asked for it.

00:43:46.000 That's what I was saying.

00:43:46.000 You son of a bitch.

00:43:47.000 I said, please.

00:43:48.000 I go, that's the fight.

00:43:50.000 I go, look, if you got a guy who's the big fucking power wrestler, right, that has a little bit of a problem with striking.

00:43:57.000 A little bit?

00:43:58.000 Yeah.

00:43:59.000 Who do you pit him up against?

00:44:00.000 Well, you pit him up against a guy who's built like a fire hydrant, right?

00:44:04.000 He's only like 5'9".

00:44:06.000 He's 265 pounds.

00:44:07.000 He's got to cut weight to get down to 265. He hits like a fucking asteroidal impact...

00:44:14.000 Straight up.

00:44:14.000 He takes a shot as good as anybody that's ever lived.

00:44:17.000 He's got these legs that don't even look real.

00:44:21.000 Like his knees are like he took 13 knees and glued them together.

00:44:24.000 They look like two tortoiseshells.

00:44:26.000 They're so big.

00:44:27.000 Just two fucking sea turtle shells.

00:44:28.000 He's so thick.

00:44:30.000 So thick.

00:44:30.000 Everything about his bones, his head, he's just thick.

00:44:34.000 And he's not intimidated in the least bit of Brock Lesnar.

00:44:38.000 By anything.

00:44:39.000 Nothing.

00:44:40.000 Doesn't give a fuck.

00:44:41.000 Been there, done that.

00:44:43.000 He's a warrior.

00:44:44.000 Brock Lesnar, also, zero-inch leg reach.

00:44:46.000 Measure his legs.

00:44:47.000 You're giving him $50 billion.

00:44:49.000 Measure his fucking legs.

00:44:50.000 Yeah, someone needs to get on that.

00:44:52.000 To me, so let's say...

00:44:55.000 Worst case scenario for WWE and the fucking UFC. Let's say Brock Lesnar goes in there and is like, HUN, HIKE! Gets fucking murked.

00:45:03.000 This ain't fucking Triple H. I'm knocking your fucking head up to the third row.

00:45:06.000 So he gets murked in 30 seconds.

00:45:09.000 Is Brock just like, ah, fuck.

00:45:11.000 You know what?

00:45:12.000 He's done.

00:45:13.000 It's over, right?

00:45:14.000 Yeah, I would imagine.

00:45:14.000 That's three in a row.

00:45:15.000 You got murked all three.

00:45:17.000 Unless he just decides, like, this is what I want to do now.

00:45:20.000 And I only have, like, three or four years left in my body.

00:45:23.000 What did we say he was?

00:45:24.000 38?

00:45:24.000 Is that what we said Brock is?

00:45:26.000 I mean, can't possibly have that much time left in his body.

00:45:32.000 If he wants to wrestle, he can.

00:45:34.000 God, that picture's classic.

00:45:35.000 38, yeah.

00:45:36.000 Yeah, so he's 38 years old.

00:45:39.000 I mean, realistically, a natural 38-year-old athlete, it's just not much time.

00:45:45.000 There's not much time.

00:45:46.000 Like, yeah, like I'm looking at my watch, yeah, about seven hours.

00:45:50.000 Yeah, I mean, unless you're a guy like Bernard Hopkins, and again, and we're using the word natural with air quotes, because boxing, you can get away with a lot of shit and not get caught.

00:46:01.000 Some shit.

00:46:02.000 So who the fuck knows?

00:46:03.000 I'm just saying, I don't think he...

00:46:05.000 So if he beats Mark Hunt, let's say he gets him down, fucking does his Brock Lesnar round and pound.

00:46:11.000 If he beats Mark Hunt and Overeem beats Stipe, they set it up.

00:46:19.000 God, God.

00:46:21.000 See, I'd watch that.

00:46:24.000 Brock Lesnar for president!

00:46:26.000 That's nuts.

00:46:28.000 That's nuts.

00:46:28.000 Could you imagine?

00:46:29.000 The ratings would go boom.

00:46:31.000 And that's not something outside of the realm of possibility.

00:46:34.000 Oh, not at all.

00:46:34.000 Neither one of those things are outside the realm of possibility.

00:46:39.000 If Stipe beats...

00:46:40.000 Even if Stipe beats Overeem, I think you could still possibly make that fight.

00:46:44.000 I think you make Stipe Brock.

00:46:47.000 Yes, that's what I'm saying.

00:46:47.000 If Stipe beats Overeem.

00:46:49.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:46:49.000 But if Overeem beats Stipe, it's a natural.

00:46:51.000 100%.

00:46:52.000 Then Overeem gets on...

00:46:53.000 Look at the difference in his body.

00:46:54.000 I look the same.

00:46:55.000 He's on steroids.

00:46:56.000 I'm coming off.

00:46:57.000 Yeah.

00:46:58.000 Yes.

00:46:58.000 Yeah, then you set that up, and if Brock shoots a fucking power double on Overeem, pins him against the cage and beats him into oblivion.

00:47:08.000 Oh, you got the biggest star of all time.

00:47:11.000 Yeah.

00:47:11.000 He's the fucking Tom Cruise of fighting.

00:47:12.000 And he becomes the new heavyweight champ.

00:47:13.000 And then Kane...

00:47:15.000 He wants to fight Kane again.

00:47:17.000 Come get some.

00:47:18.000 Everyone gets dealt with.

00:47:19.000 Kane's got to get through Travis Brown.

00:47:21.000 I'll tell you what.

00:47:21.000 He's a big favorite.

00:47:22.000 Kane is a tough motherfucker.

00:47:24.000 As tough as they get.

00:47:26.000 But you've got to think about the amount of wear and tear on his body.

00:47:32.000 Correct.

00:47:32.000 We're talking about knee operations, shoulder operations, back operations.

00:47:38.000 There is a ton of stuff that's been giving out on Kane's body.

00:47:43.000 So you have to be concerned with whether or not he can make it through full camps.

00:47:48.000 That anesthesia can't be good for you.

00:47:50.000 He's getting it non-stop.

00:47:52.000 Well, the anesthesia is not...

00:47:57.000 That's ridiculous.

00:47:58.000 He comes out with a big bubble ass.

00:48:00.000 What happened to Kane's ass?

00:48:02.000 When I'm under, might as well get it done so I don't have to go back.

00:48:06.000 Kane decided to get an ass job.

00:48:08.000 To me, this is my...

00:48:10.000 If you're a betting man and you're like DraftKings or whatever, this is my upset pick.

00:48:15.000 I think Travis Brown is your upset pick here because Kane's had so many injuries.

00:48:20.000 Granted, he went through a full camp with DC. It's a fucking tough fight, man.

00:48:23.000 It's a tough fight.

00:48:24.000 Travis hasn't looked great, right?

00:48:25.000 He poked Matt in the eye.

00:48:26.000 He beat me.

00:48:27.000 He got knocked the fuck out by Orlovsky.

00:48:29.000 But fighting-wise, Hoppa's a monster, man.

00:48:33.000 He doesn't look great, though.

00:48:34.000 Well, I'm concerned with his camp.

00:48:38.000 And the amount of sparring partners he's getting.

00:48:42.000 He's not at Jackson's anymore, which is just a hotbed.

00:48:45.000 And, you know, there's two schools of thought, right?

00:48:47.000 There's one school of thought.

00:48:48.000 Well, he's getting much more individual attention.

00:48:51.000 He's got one guy concentrating on him all the time.

00:48:54.000 He's working his mitts.

00:48:55.000 He already knows how to fight.

00:48:56.000 This is just an opportunity.

00:48:58.000 And he's working with Ricky Lindell, who's going to help him tremendously with his wrestling.

00:49:02.000 Ricky's a fantastic grappling coach.

00:49:04.000 Ricky's in Vegas, though, right?

00:49:05.000 I think Ricky was working with him, though.

00:49:07.000 No, he does.

00:49:08.000 He's been working with him for a while, but I don't know if he's full-time.

00:49:10.000 Maybe he's going back and forth.

00:49:11.000 Either way, Ricky's one of the best in the business.

00:49:13.000 He's fantastic.

00:49:14.000 Very, very smart guy, too.

00:49:16.000 So, I don't know.

00:49:17.000 I would have to find out, and I will find out this week, what kind of training he's getting in his camp, who he's working with.

00:49:24.000 That makes a big difference with a guy like Travis.

00:49:26.000 Especially when you're fighting a guy like Kane.

00:49:28.000 I wonder why Travis moved away from Jackson's.

00:49:31.000 I felt like that was such a great camp.

00:49:33.000 What do you think?

00:49:35.000 It was his face.

00:49:36.000 What do you mean you wonder why?

00:49:37.000 I don't know.

00:49:39.000 Yeah, I don't...

00:49:39.000 Do you?

00:49:40.000 I mean, he's obviously...

00:49:41.000 You're giving me the face.

00:49:43.000 Well, it's like, I feel like it's pretty obvious, right?

00:49:45.000 I don't.

00:49:45.000 Like, he moved to Glendale.

00:49:47.000 His girlfriend's here.

00:49:49.000 They're living together.

00:49:50.000 Okay, I get it.

00:49:50.000 Excuse me, sir?

00:49:51.000 Okay, that way.

00:49:52.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:49:53.000 Well, that's...

00:49:56.000 That's not good enough for me.

00:49:57.000 Me fucking neither!

00:49:59.000 Rhonda, you ever thought about moving to New Mexico?

00:50:01.000 It's fucking beautiful.

00:50:02.000 That's a tough sell.

00:50:03.000 We'll go run the mountains together.

00:50:04.000 I'll find you a Starbucks.

00:50:06.000 Is she working for Starbucks?

00:50:09.000 I have no idea.

00:50:10.000 Every time we get a photo with her, she's got a...

00:50:11.000 I haven't seen it.

00:50:12.000 It's a delicious beverage.

00:50:14.000 There's nothing wrong with it.

00:50:15.000 Hopefully they're a sponsor.

00:50:18.000 To me, it's an upset pick.

00:50:20.000 If there is one on this card, that's your upset pick.

00:50:23.000 Just because...

00:50:24.000 Obviously, I fought Travis.

00:50:25.000 He's a fucking nightmare to deal with.

00:50:27.000 He's so long.

00:50:28.000 He's explosive.

00:50:29.000 And Kane's coming off this long layoff, man.

00:50:31.000 He's always hurt.

00:50:32.000 There's gonna be some point, and I fucking guarantee it, where Kane's not the same.

00:50:37.000 We're just like, oh, there it is.

00:50:38.000 It's like they age overnight.

00:50:39.000 Because camp, he's been wrestling since he was fucking two months old in diapers.

00:50:44.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:50:44.000 Well, it's also all the stuff that you're looking at that breaks, okay?

00:50:48.000 Look at what's going on.

00:50:49.000 Shoulders, knees, back.

00:50:52.000 All that stuff?

00:50:53.000 Boy, those are things that are real hard to come back from.

00:50:57.000 You're not talking about a broken hand.

00:50:59.000 You're not talking about he snaps his forearm.

00:51:02.000 You're talking about critical points of pressure.

00:51:06.000 Critical stress points.

00:51:08.000 Shoulders, knees, back.

00:51:10.000 When those things start going, man.

00:51:12.000 As a fighter, you need those.

00:51:14.000 And how much time has he had to truly rehab it?

00:51:17.000 We've seen pictures of his body where it was just a few months ago and quite honestly, it didn't look good physically.

00:51:23.000 He's never looked good, though.

00:51:24.000 But he looked worse than he usually does.

00:51:26.000 It looks like he's been steady on the burritos.

00:51:29.000 Not just that, but it's also like, muscularly, he didn't look like he was built up the same way.

00:51:35.000 No, yeah, he did not look good.

00:51:37.000 He's not the keto kid.

00:51:38.000 But, uh...

00:51:40.000 If there's a time for Travis to ever get Cain Velasquez and beat him now, and remember, this is a three-round fight.

00:51:46.000 If it's five, oh, he's taking you swimming, son, into the deep waters, and it's fucking miserable.

00:51:52.000 Ask Dos Santos.

00:51:53.000 That motherfucker's never been the same.

00:51:54.000 But three rounds with Cain, if your cardio's decent, you can deal with it.

00:51:58.000 You're going to get through it.

00:51:59.000 But five, he's going to fucking break you.

00:52:01.000 But is it the same Kane?

00:52:02.000 And if it is the same Kane, if Kane comes back and he's 100% healthy and he's making that mad run towards that title belt again, then it becomes very interesting.

00:52:10.000 Then you're talking about a different animal.

00:52:13.000 Kane Kane?

00:52:14.000 Yeah.

00:52:14.000 Kane Kane in his prime.

00:52:16.000 Kane, like, second fight with Junior Dos Santos.

00:52:18.000 The Ben Rothwell fight.

00:52:20.000 Like, some of the other fights that he had.

00:52:21.000 He's a monster.

00:52:22.000 I mean, I still maintain...

00:52:24.000 It's really between him and Fedor.

00:52:26.000 It's between him and Primetime Pride Fedor, and a lot of people go with Primetime Pride Fedor now.

00:52:32.000 You gotta put Verdum in there.

00:52:34.000 You certainly do.

00:52:35.000 You look at his wins.

00:52:36.000 You certainly do.

00:52:37.000 He also beat Kane.

00:52:38.000 Yep.

00:52:38.000 He beat Verdum, or he beat...

00:52:41.000 He beat Fedor.

00:52:42.000 He beat Kane.

00:52:44.000 He submitted Minotauro.

00:52:48.000 I mean...

00:52:48.000 Submitted Frank...

00:52:49.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:52:50.000 Yeah.

00:52:51.000 But that...

00:52:51.000 You know, it's funny how if he never fought Stipe, you would say, like, Verdum has emerged as one of the greatest heavyweights of all time.

00:53:00.000 But he makes this mad, crazy run at Stipe.

00:53:04.000 Like, charges at him.

00:53:05.000 That's that emotional Brazil shit.

00:53:08.000 Like, fought so crazy.

00:53:08.000 And Stipe was like, hold up, what?

00:53:10.000 Stipe just...

00:53:11.000 What a beautiful...

00:53:12.000 I've done this in the firehouse, son.

00:53:13.000 Gadoosh!

00:53:14.000 Enjoy Brazil, bitch.

00:53:17.000 And the way he hit him moving away was so perfect.

00:53:21.000 But even he was like, what are you doing?

00:53:22.000 Yeah.

00:53:23.000 Ba-boom!

00:53:23.000 Like, you're coming into my fucking shot.

00:53:25.000 Yeah, it was crazy.

00:53:27.000 Crazy.

00:53:27.000 How about Misha Tate Amanda Nunes?

00:53:31.000 That's an interesting one.

00:53:32.000 That's a very interesting fight.

00:53:34.000 My thing about Nunez, my concern is her cardio.

00:53:37.000 She comes out like a bat out of hell.

00:53:39.000 She certainly does.

00:53:40.000 And she's dangerous as fuck.

00:53:43.000 But Misha Tate is as game as they come.

00:53:47.000 You know what the problem is, though?

00:53:48.000 Misha's a slow starter.

00:53:49.000 Like, she always gets in trouble and comes back.

00:53:51.000 But with Nunez, she hits so fucking hard.

00:53:53.000 If you're a slow starter, that first round, you're gonna have to weather, man.

00:53:57.000 If she gets by that first round...

00:53:58.000 Tate wins.

00:53:59.000 And honestly for, and I know people hate winning, but for the business, Tate's so good for the sport, man.

00:54:04.000 She looks fucking, obviously she's beautiful, she speaks great, and she's just a good winner.

00:54:10.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:54:11.000 She's articulate.

00:54:12.000 She's just a good winner.

00:54:13.000 No doubt, but for Brazil, which is a huge market, Amanda Nunes would be gigantic.

00:54:18.000 They only have one champ right now.

00:54:20.000 Dos Anjos.

00:54:21.000 Yeah.

00:54:21.000 They said, fuck that testing.

00:54:23.000 God damn it.

00:54:24.000 God damn it.

00:54:26.000 Really?

00:54:26.000 We're gonna do that now?

00:54:27.000 Yeah, and you gotta wear Reebok, bitch.

00:54:29.000 God damn it.

00:54:30.000 Amanda Nunes.

00:54:31.000 Very interesting.

00:54:32.000 I mean, I hope she really concentrated on cardio for this camp.

00:54:35.000 That's all she should be doing.

00:54:37.000 Yeah, this is a five-round fight, too.

00:54:38.000 Has she ever fought a five-round fight before?

00:54:40.000 No, sir.

00:54:41.000 Yeah, so that's interesting.

00:54:42.000 How about Kat on the prelim said, I beat both you bitches.

00:54:45.000 Well, you know, if you look at Misha's fights, she has shown remarkable ability to endure punches and kicks.

00:54:53.000 Do you ever see her fight with Julie Kedzie in Strikeforce?

00:54:55.000 Yeah.

00:54:56.000 Julie Kedzie can fucking kick.

00:54:58.000 Oh, yeah.

00:54:58.000 She's got some beautiful kicks, beautiful technique, and she caught Misha with a fucking clanger right on the chin.

00:55:05.000 And Misha fought it off and gutted it out and eventually got a submission, which is...

00:55:09.000 You're not fighting off a Nunez straight punch to the face, though.

00:55:13.000 She hits so fucking hard.

00:55:14.000 She hits so hard, I think it's going to be trouble, man.

00:55:16.000 But do you think she punches as hard as Julie kicks?

00:55:19.000 I say no fucking way.

00:55:20.000 You ever see that fight?

00:55:21.000 That was five years ago, son.

00:55:22.000 That's true.

00:55:23.000 That's after Ronda beat her.

00:55:25.000 Then that was her next fight, right?

00:55:26.000 Somebody put up a highlight clip the other day of Julie Kedzie's kicks versus Misha Tate.

00:55:33.000 See if you can pull that up just so we can watch it.

00:55:34.000 She was just getting blasted in the face.

00:55:36.000 But there's this one.

00:55:37.000 She got blasted a couple times with good kicks.

00:55:40.000 She hit her with a good front leg side kick.

00:55:43.000 Not totally sideways, but tie style to the chest, center flying.

00:55:48.000 But there was this one high kick that she caught her just perfect.

00:55:53.000 Misa's just...

00:55:54.000 It's interesting because you see her.

00:55:56.000 She's so soft-spoken.

00:55:57.000 She's pretty.

00:55:59.000 You know, you just wouldn't...

00:56:00.000 There's no indications of how mentally tough she is.

00:56:04.000 She is tough as they come.

00:56:06.000 Super beast.

00:56:08.000 Yeah.

00:56:09.000 You know, what's crazy to me is I was looking at this.

00:56:11.000 I'm like, God, who's beat them?

00:56:12.000 I looked up...

00:56:13.000 Cat beat both of them.

00:56:14.000 Yep.

00:56:14.000 And stopped both of them.

00:56:15.000 Yep.

00:56:15.000 Oh, Cat's a monster.

00:56:17.000 Kat's ferocious.

00:56:18.000 New camp.

00:56:19.000 Yeah, she's ferocious.

00:56:20.000 Moved to Alliance, moved to San Diego.

00:56:21.000 Yeah.

00:56:21.000 She was at our show in Denver, which was a while ago, the Fire and Kid live show.

00:56:25.000 And she was in the back and she's like, I'm thinking about moving.

00:56:27.000 And you're talking to a guy, me and her were in the same camp.

00:56:30.000 I told her, I said, Kat, if you're already thinking that, it's time to go.

00:56:32.000 Yeah.

00:56:33.000 Because you're in this routine here.

00:56:35.000 You know, her husband committed suicide.

00:56:37.000 You have all this negative energy here.

00:56:39.000 Leave.

00:56:40.000 You're a monster.

00:56:40.000 You'll be fine wherever you're at.

00:56:42.000 But you go to Alliance, they have monsters down that can really help you out.

00:56:45.000 You start a new chapter.

00:56:47.000 It'd be good for you.

00:56:47.000 And Eric Del Fiero is the unsung hero in MMA. Him and Mark Henry.

00:56:51.000 Him and Mark Henry are two of the unsung heroes in MMA who are like elite, top of the food chain, world-class coaches that don't necessarily get the spotlight that they deserve.

00:57:02.000 And also Dominic Cruz, who's been helping Cat quite a bit.

00:57:06.000 Did you find that video?

00:57:08.000 I've seen anything with just the kicks.

00:57:09.000 I found the fight a few times, but not just the kicks.

00:57:12.000 I had the last round, too.

00:57:13.000 I know it was on Twitter.

00:57:14.000 Somebody posted it up on Twitter the other day.

00:57:16.000 Dude, how about I was in this goat cart thing with Jason Ellis and Dominick Cruz is there?

00:57:21.000 You're competitive.

00:57:22.000 You're racing fucking goat carts.

00:57:23.000 I see Dominick Cruz in the corner hyping himself up.

00:57:27.000 Dead serious going, they don't want you to win.

00:57:29.000 They don't want you to win.

00:57:30.000 They don't want you to win this.

00:57:31.000 He's talking to himself.

00:57:32.000 And I'm like, oh, this motherfucker.

00:57:34.000 He's crazy.

00:57:35.000 He's playing for keeps.

00:57:35.000 And this guy next to me goes, the guy who works there, it's like some Costco fucking warehouse thing they set up.

00:57:41.000 He goes, fucking crazy.

00:57:44.000 I guess, man.

00:57:45.000 That's why he's world champ.

00:57:46.000 I tell dick jokes and you work at Costco.

00:57:49.000 Because we think this is a game.

00:57:50.000 He doesn't, brother.

00:57:52.000 There's no game.

00:57:53.000 And that motherfucker almost won.

00:57:54.000 Get in second.

00:57:55.000 Really?

00:57:56.000 That's hilarious.

00:57:57.000 They don't want you to win.

00:57:58.000 It's not a video.

00:58:00.000 It's just a gif.

00:58:01.000 But restart that.

00:58:04.000 Gadoosh!

00:58:04.000 Watch this.

00:58:05.000 Look at this.

00:58:05.000 Here's the sidekick.

00:58:06.000 Well, that was no power.

00:58:08.000 Yeah, but wait a minute.

00:58:10.000 There's the sidekick to the chest.

00:58:12.000 See how she's got it like sort of tie style?

00:58:13.000 It's almost like a teep, but sweat this.

00:58:16.000 Leg kick, very nice, but now here it comes.

00:58:19.000 Here's the clanger.

00:58:23.000 I mean, come on.

00:58:24.000 How many people survived that?

00:58:25.000 That is a clanger.

00:58:27.000 Clanger to the mug, and Julie caught her with a punch.

00:58:31.000 To think that not only did she survive this, but she went on to win by submission.

00:58:36.000 That's a woman's bat to the face, basically what that is.

00:58:38.000 Just straight bat to the face.

00:58:40.000 Amazing.

00:58:41.000 No, Misha, she's as good as they come, man.

00:58:44.000 For her to keep winning, it's so good for the women's division.

00:58:47.000 Yeah.

00:58:47.000 It's so fucking good.

00:58:49.000 Well, really, the rematch with her and Ronda is the fucking fight.

00:58:54.000 Yeah.

00:58:55.000 That's the fight.

00:58:55.000 Even more so than Holly and Ronda.

00:58:58.000 Because there's so much animosity.

00:59:00.000 I disagree.

00:59:01.000 Well, because Misha just choked Holly unconscious.

00:59:04.000 I know, but I think...

00:59:08.000 That Holly-Ronda rematch is way bigger.

00:59:10.000 Yeah?

00:59:11.000 Because we've never seen Ronda just get fucking murked and dismantled like that.

00:59:15.000 That's true.

00:59:15.000 And she was talking about suicide.

00:59:17.000 She's been out of the spotlight.

00:59:18.000 She came back and now she's facing that same foe.

00:59:21.000 It's like, oh, fuck.

00:59:22.000 And she beats her?

00:59:23.000 Oh my god.

00:59:24.000 Yeah.

00:59:25.000 Or she just never comes back.

00:59:26.000 Well, you don't know.

00:59:27.000 I mean, she just got through knee surgery.

00:59:29.000 So that's always an issue.

00:59:31.000 You don't know how long, what's the extent of the damage?

00:59:36.000 What did she get taken care of?

00:59:38.000 I believe she had meniscus issues, which is not the worst thing in the world.

00:59:42.000 The best of all of them.

00:59:43.000 Yeah.

00:59:44.000 Especially if you can get stem cell shots in there, which I'm sure she probably did.

00:59:49.000 So there's that.

00:59:51.000 So, you know, maybe she comes back and maybe she's got more mobility and more agility than ever because of taking care of an issue that's been bothering her.

00:59:59.000 You know this as much as anybody.

01:00:00.000 Yeah.

01:00:00.000 Bothering her for years.

01:00:01.000 Maybe.

01:00:02.000 Maybe.

01:00:02.000 Or she just doesn't give a fuck about fighting anymore.

01:00:04.000 Yeah, there's that too.

01:00:05.000 I mean, when you lose in such a devastating fashion like that and then take a long time off of it, I mean, she, without a doubt, has a warrior and a winner's mindset.

01:00:14.000 But for how long, you know?

01:00:17.000 I mean, does she still want to do it?

01:00:19.000 Did she want to jump right back in the way Holly wanted to jump right back in?

01:00:24.000 Yeah.

01:00:25.000 I'm always weird, Tom.

01:00:26.000 The only thing that was a little strange was...

01:00:30.000 As the face of women's MMA, and you lose one fight, and you're saying how you had suicidal thoughts, and talking about, don't be a do-nothing bitch, and the first thing you want to do, you know what I'm saying?

01:00:40.000 And then as soon as it doesn't go your way, you're like, fuck this, man, I'm out.

01:00:44.000 It's like, what?

01:00:46.000 That's not a champion.

01:00:47.000 You can't do that.

01:00:48.000 Well, she was doing movies.

01:00:50.000 It wasn't like she just said, fuck you, I'm out.

01:00:52.000 I'm done with this.

01:00:54.000 She had two movies set up, one of them being a remake of Roadhouse.

01:00:57.000 It's a big movie.

01:00:58.000 It's a craziness.

01:00:59.000 The whole thing's a big craziness, right?

01:01:01.000 So she's got these two movies.

01:01:04.000 She's got the knee surgery.

01:01:06.000 She's got love.

01:01:07.000 Yeah, man.

01:01:08.000 It's a lot going on.

01:01:09.000 A lot going on.

01:01:10.000 But as long as she's happy, she doesn't owe anyone anything.

01:01:14.000 She could just ride up on Sunset and make all these movies and be like, fuck it, man.

01:01:19.000 She's good now.

01:01:19.000 What she did for the sport, she's set for women's fighting.

01:01:22.000 But do you think that she would ever be happy going out with a loss like that?

01:01:25.000 That's the issue.

01:01:27.000 See, that's for her to answer.

01:01:28.000 That's tough, man.

01:01:29.000 And then there's also, you know, she has the Holly Holm loss she needs to redeem.

01:01:33.000 And then now you got Cyborg in that bitch.

01:01:35.000 And that's the super fight everyone wants to see.

01:01:37.000 And Cyborg's like, let's go!

01:01:38.000 Chomping at the fucking bit.

01:01:39.000 So while you're making movies, Cyborg's hitting this fucking speed bag like it's their job, which it is.

01:01:45.000 Night and day.

01:01:46.000 Just waiting for your ass to get off set.

01:01:48.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:01:49.000 So it's tough, man.

01:01:50.000 But I think what's crazy to me is, you know when Cyborg's coming out, Misha's one of the only girls who's like, I'll fight her.

01:01:56.000 That's fucking nuts.

01:01:57.000 No one else wanted to fight her.

01:01:58.000 She ain't saying that now she's got the title.

01:02:01.000 Well, but she's not at 35, she'll do it.

01:02:04.000 Yeah, at 35. You're the champ!

01:02:06.000 Fuck you!

01:02:07.000 You came from Invicta.

01:02:08.000 Why do I give a fuck?

01:02:09.000 Most people already know you.

01:02:10.000 I'm Misha Tate.

01:02:11.000 Meet me.

01:02:12.000 You're the one who needs this.

01:02:13.000 I don't.

01:02:13.000 I wonder if she can make 135. I mean, she made 140. She did not look good when she was at the weigh-in.

01:02:20.000 I mean, she looked like Skeletor.

01:02:21.000 35 is going to be tough.

01:02:23.000 But if you want those big money fights...

01:02:26.000 But look, here's the bottom line.

01:02:29.000 Christian Bale made 110 when he was in that stupid fucking movie.

01:02:34.000 Hey, easy on stupid.

01:02:35.000 You're talking about Dallas Buyers Club.

01:02:36.000 No, not that one.

01:02:37.000 That was Matthew McConaughey.

01:02:39.000 Oh, that's right.

01:02:39.000 But he also made like 97 pounds.

01:02:41.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:02:42.000 Straight dead.

01:02:43.000 Christian Bale was in a stupid movie that nobody watched called The Machinist.

01:02:47.000 That's right.

01:02:47.000 And he almost died.

01:02:49.000 He almost died.

01:02:51.000 You've seen that, right?

01:02:52.000 I've seen pictures of him getting there.

01:02:54.000 Matthew McConaughey fucked his body up doing that.

01:02:56.000 I'm sure he did.

01:02:57.000 He said he's never been the same.

01:02:58.000 Oh, fuck's sakes.

01:03:00.000 Yeah.

01:03:01.000 Matthew McConaughey, he said he'd never been the same again?

01:03:03.000 Yeah, he goes, I was doing it naturally.

01:03:06.000 He was doing this interview for Dallas Blacks Club.

01:03:08.000 He goes, yeah, man, I was losing all this weight.

01:03:10.000 And you get to a certain point where my diet, I just couldn't lose any more.

01:03:13.000 It didn't look like I had AIDS. It's ridiculous.

01:03:16.000 He goes, then I, you know, he didn't say what he took.

01:03:17.000 He goes, then I have to do some off-the-market shit to get even lower.

01:03:20.000 And you're right, he was always like a big, strong, he's like, I've never been the same.

01:03:24.000 My body never came back the same.

01:03:26.000 Ever.

01:03:26.000 Yeah, especially like Matthew McConaughey's in his 40s.

01:03:29.000 So you start doing that to your body when you're in your 40s and just wreck it and your testosterone levels are low.

01:03:35.000 Endocrine system.

01:03:36.000 Yeah, it devastates your endocrine system.

01:03:38.000 Well, have you ever seen like...

01:03:40.000 There he is.

01:03:41.000 Jesus Christ, he looked bad.

01:03:42.000 He was a dime piece before.

01:03:44.000 Now look at him.

01:03:44.000 Looks like Tales from the Crypt.

01:03:46.000 Mad Mike or Magic Mike.

01:03:47.000 Magic Mike 2. Look at him, though.

01:03:52.000 Talk about being balls deep in acting.

01:03:54.000 God, look how bad he looked.

01:03:57.000 Motherfucker really looks like he has AIDS. He must have felt like he had AIDS, too.

01:04:01.000 It was a good movie, too.

01:04:02.000 It was a good movie.

01:04:04.000 Yeah, he fucking sold me.

01:04:05.000 Magic Mike you're talking about, right?

01:04:06.000 Fuck, no.

01:04:09.000 Just kidding, that's not bad either.

01:04:10.000 Hey, but the thing is, like, girls who do those, you know, those figure competitions, cut all that weight?

01:04:16.000 Yes.

01:04:18.000 My buddy's girlfriend did that and my brother's wife did that.

01:04:20.000 They never go back to the same, man.

01:04:23.000 They just don't.

01:04:24.000 Their thyroid, everything's all fucked up on them.

01:04:27.000 Really?

01:04:27.000 Because they lose all this weight, yeah, and then the body goes, and their hormones are all fucked up.

01:04:32.000 It's a nightmare, man.

01:04:33.000 To get down that low, your body's like, what are you doing?

01:04:36.000 Especially for a woman, right?

01:04:37.000 Because body fats are usually higher for women than there are for men.

01:04:40.000 But it's got to be the same for men, too.

01:04:42.000 When guys bodybuild and they get down to that shredded 3% body fat where you see everything.

01:04:47.000 Striations and shit.

01:04:48.000 It's so weird.

01:04:49.000 And you're doing it just for other dudes.

01:04:51.000 Meanwhile, you're covered with tanning solution.

01:04:54.000 That orange shit.

01:04:55.000 To look black.

01:04:55.000 Yeah, you basically look black.

01:04:57.000 Because someone's like, God, that black guy looks shredded and I'm white as fuck.

01:05:00.000 I better get black.

01:05:01.000 How weird is that?

01:05:02.000 It's true.

01:05:02.000 The muscles, they pop more when you're dark.

01:05:04.000 Yeah, well, you can see them better.

01:05:06.000 It's so weird.

01:05:07.000 It's like a white car.

01:05:08.000 It doesn't show the line.

01:05:10.000 How about, this is just meatheads at Gold's gym.

01:05:14.000 I used to work out there all the time, but I saw a video of Jean-Claude Van Damme saying how kicking is bullshit in the UFC, and he can help guys.

01:05:21.000 Yeah, I saw that.

01:05:21.000 Did you see that?

01:05:22.000 Come on, bro.

01:05:23.000 Come on.

01:05:24.000 And I love Jean-Claude.

01:05:25.000 I love Jean-Claude.

01:05:27.000 Well, you know how crazy Jean-Claude Van Damme is, right?

01:05:29.000 Crazy about making blockbuster movies.

01:05:31.000 He hasn't been crazy about that for a long time.

01:05:34.000 How dare you, sir?

01:05:35.000 Have you seen any of his reality show?

01:05:38.000 Yeah.

01:05:40.000 He had a great reality show.

01:05:43.000 I don't know who produced it.

01:05:44.000 It was on Showtime.

01:05:44.000 Was it?

01:05:45.000 It was on Showtime.

01:05:46.000 Really?

01:05:47.000 JBCD. JCVD, right?

01:05:49.000 No, that's a movie.

01:05:51.000 No, no.

01:05:51.000 They put it on Showtime for like a week.

01:05:54.000 Really?

01:05:54.000 It's showing his house, his wife.

01:05:57.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:05:57.000 He's flying around on that private jet.

01:05:59.000 I'm going to have to fight again for the children.

01:06:01.000 Yeah.

01:06:02.000 The show's called Behind Closed Doors.

01:06:04.000 Oh, that's what it's called?

01:06:04.000 Yeah.

01:06:05.000 But there's one scene with several times where he indicates he's going to fight this guy from Thailand who's won an Olympic gold medalist in boxing.

01:06:15.000 And he sets this fight up and he's like, I'm running around doing all the cocaine and all this and I have to show the children that I can get back and I have to fight.

01:06:24.000 So he has like all these press conferences set up where him and this guy are squaring off.

01:06:31.000 What the fuck?

01:06:32.000 You never saw that?

01:06:34.000 Here's a show, Behind Closed Doors.

01:06:36.000 By the way, this is from like seven or eight years ago.

01:06:42.000 No, I saw this.

01:06:43.000 I didn't see that episode that you're talking about, though.

01:06:45.000 I've seen this bullshit.

01:06:47.000 He's still pulling some numbers, though.

01:06:49.000 He's flying private, has this sick-ass crib.

01:06:53.000 Yeah, I don't...

01:06:56.000 It's a sad story, though.

01:06:58.000 He's just old as fuck.

01:06:59.000 He's just partying, too.

01:07:02.000 Hard.

01:07:02.000 He's on that cocaine like a motherfucker.

01:07:06.000 He's riding that Bolivian marching powder right off into the sunset.

01:07:09.000 That shit ages the fuck out of you.

01:07:11.000 Oh, dude, he looks every bit of 60. I don't know what he is, but...

01:07:15.000 He's in his 80s, I think.

01:07:16.000 Fuck, man.

01:07:17.000 Still throwing a mean-ass kick, though.

01:07:18.000 I think he had, like, some surgery, too.

01:07:21.000 Look at that fucking picture.

01:07:24.000 Where's his...

01:07:24.000 You can see his dick root.

01:07:28.000 Right up to the top.

01:07:30.000 Even those lines are freaked the fuck out.

01:07:32.000 They're like, what are we doing?

01:07:33.000 Why is he holding up?

01:07:33.000 Look at the picture above that, though, where he looks like the Joker.

01:07:36.000 Look at that.

01:07:37.000 Oh, my God.

01:07:38.000 Goddamn.

01:07:38.000 Is that real?

01:07:39.000 And that's makeup.

01:07:40.000 He has makeup on.

01:07:41.000 Oh, my God.

01:07:42.000 Holy fuck.

01:07:43.000 Wow.

01:07:44.000 But that's cocaine, man.

01:07:45.000 Cocaine just does that to you.

01:07:47.000 Cocaine and bad life decisions.

01:07:49.000 Yeah.

01:07:49.000 I mean, how old is Jean-Claude Van Damme?

01:07:51.000 Let's take a guess.

01:07:52.000 I say 55. Does that make sense?

01:07:56.000 I'll say, I'll say, God damn, if he's 50, he looks so, he's the most shot out 55 year old I've ever seen.

01:08:01.000 How old is he?

01:08:02.000 I'm not going to look, I'm going to say 58. 55, I'm right.

01:08:05.000 Fuck, look at that.

01:08:07.000 That's insane.

01:08:08.000 Because Tom Cruise is probably like 52. And Tom Cruise looks sensational.

01:08:14.000 Well, you're talking about that Scientology shit.

01:08:16.000 Yeah, you know what it is?

01:08:16.000 They're helping them hydrate and shit.

01:08:18.000 It's just jizz.

01:08:19.000 Rub jizz everywhere.

01:08:20.000 Just rub it in there.

01:08:22.000 Look, he's 54!

01:08:23.000 They're the same age!

01:08:25.000 They're the same age!

01:08:27.000 One year difference.

01:08:28.000 And look how fucking stunning this dime piece is.

01:08:31.000 Yeah, he's killing the game.

01:08:32.000 There's a big difference there, man.

01:08:34.000 That is a big difference.

01:08:35.000 He's also never been hit in the face before, though.

01:08:37.000 That's true.

01:08:38.000 But neither has Jean-Claude Van Damme.

01:08:39.000 How dare you, sir?

01:08:40.000 He has a kickboxing record.

01:08:42.000 No, he does not.

01:08:43.000 Yes, he does.

01:08:43.000 He has a point karate fighting background.

01:08:46.000 He has a kickboxing record.

01:08:47.000 Jamie?

01:08:49.000 I don't buy it.

01:08:50.000 How dare you?

01:08:51.000 No, I don't think so.

01:08:52.000 I think he might have fought some point karate tournaments.

01:08:55.000 I really don't think he kickboxed.

01:08:56.000 You think you just merc him if you guys...

01:08:58.000 Oh, me and him?

01:08:59.000 Yeah.

01:09:00.000 Well, what are we doing?

01:09:01.000 Are we doing MMA or are we doing...

01:09:02.000 Straight up fight.

01:09:03.000 Oh, kickboxing?

01:09:04.000 Yeah.

01:09:04.000 I don't think he has any power.

01:09:06.000 18-1.

01:09:06.000 18-1?

01:09:07.000 See, that's not necessarily true.

01:09:12.000 Well...

01:09:12.000 Oh, that's on IMBV. See, there's a fought on tape.

01:09:16.000 See, this is a karate fight, right?

01:09:18.000 Or is this a kickboxing fight?

01:09:20.000 What is this?

01:09:23.000 1979 fight on tape.

01:09:25.000 Why did it say caught on tape?

01:09:28.000 Okay, what is this?

01:09:29.000 What is this?

01:09:30.000 This is point fighting.

01:09:32.000 Motherfucker's fluid, though.

01:09:34.000 Yeah, I mean, he was...

01:09:35.000 But look, he just got tagged.

01:09:36.000 Gold.

01:09:37.000 Gold.

01:09:38.000 Yeah, he's holding a trophy.

01:09:39.000 Yeah, I mean, look.

01:09:40.000 He most likely had some form of competition experience, but was he 18-1 in kickboxing for real?

01:09:49.000 No.

01:09:50.000 I don't know, man.

01:09:51.000 18-1 means you gotta fight for...

01:09:54.000 Look, most people don't have more than four fights in a year, so you're fighting for a long period of time.

01:10:00.000 Did that say pro?

01:10:02.000 No.

01:10:02.000 Just had an 18-1 kickboxing record.

01:10:04.000 Back then, it could be amateur.

01:10:05.000 Because, you know, smokers are just blowing through.

01:10:08.000 Look, it's possible.

01:10:09.000 I'm not saying I believe it.

01:10:10.000 I want to believe it.

01:10:11.000 Because he's one of my heroes.

01:10:12.000 No doubt the guy had some pretty kicks.

01:10:14.000 But the problem with the way he kicks, he's got point kicks.

01:10:19.000 They're like flippy, flippy kicks.

01:10:23.000 Kickboxing and full contact karate career.

01:10:25.000 Full contact career in 77. Wow, 77. Hold on a second.

01:10:31.000 That would mean he would be like, how old was he?

01:10:34.000 Like 18?

01:10:35.000 Okay.

01:10:38.000 Sounds like a little bit of bullshit.

01:10:40.000 18 knockouts and one defeat.

01:10:42.000 He was even named Mr. Belgium in a bodybuilding competition.

01:10:47.000 Huh.

01:10:47.000 Killing the game.

01:10:53.000 Just winning!

01:10:54.000 So here's the guy.

01:10:55.000 Fucking winning, Joe!

01:10:57.000 Since 2009, Van Damme's been planning to make a comeback fight to fight former Olympic gold medalist Somlok Kamsing, who is a Thai boxing champion.

01:11:10.000 The fight was a focal point of the ITV reality show Jean-Claude Van Damme behind closed doors.

01:11:17.000 The fight has been repeatedly postponed.

01:11:22.000 Which many critics doubting it will occur.

01:11:24.000 I don't know why they would doubt it at this point.

01:11:26.000 How dare you doubt this legitimate fight?

01:11:29.000 The difficulty of booking the venue.

01:11:32.000 Oh yeah, because that's fucking hard in Thailand.

01:11:35.000 There's six year olds fighting every fucking Tuesday.

01:11:38.000 I mean, look at this.

01:11:39.000 In December 2012, Van Damme was seen as a part of Kam Singh's ring crew when Kam Singh fought against Jamhad...

01:11:46.000 I don't know how to say that guy's name.

01:11:49.000 Say that name.

01:11:52.000 K-I-A-T-A-D-I-S-A-K. Anyway, colorful name.

01:12:04.000 Maybe.

01:12:05.000 I mean, maybe he had some legit kickboxing fights.

01:12:09.000 That's possible.

01:12:09.000 That Wikipedia sounds like some bullshit.

01:12:11.000 World Association of Kickboxing Organizations.

01:12:13.000 See, one of the problems with kickboxing...

01:12:17.000 There's some Callan shit.

01:12:19.000 Yeah.

01:12:19.000 Him and Van Damme had the same shit.

01:12:21.000 Oh no, Master Kim.

01:12:23.000 One of the problems with kickboxing is there's a lot of world championship organizations.

01:12:28.000 A lot.

01:12:29.000 Whereas, say, if you and me started up our own organization and said, hey, you know, Brendan, I've been thinking, man, you and I should do a fucking collaboration.

01:12:36.000 We're going to do a kickboxing organization.

01:12:38.000 Shit, I like this idea.

01:12:39.000 The Fighter and the Kid slash JRE World Championship kickboxing matches.

01:12:43.000 And then we would just crown some dude world champion.

01:12:45.000 And we don't really have...

01:12:46.000 It's not like the WBC for boxing.

01:12:49.000 No, it's not legit.

01:12:50.000 Or the UFC for MMA. It's just like a lot of those.

01:12:53.000 Tons.

01:12:54.000 I don't know how many world championships there are, especially in the United States.

01:12:58.000 There was a ton of them.

01:12:59.000 I know that for a fact.

01:13:00.000 And you go worldwide, but it's not...

01:13:04.000 Bellator calls their guy the world champion.

01:13:07.000 Like, Bellator world title.

01:13:11.000 Sort of.

01:13:12.000 Well, they can't say, the second best world champion.

01:13:16.000 It's not a world champion.

01:13:18.000 A world champion is a world champion.

01:13:21.000 You could say Bellator champion.

01:13:23.000 But when you say world title, the Bellator world title, it's not the world!

01:13:28.000 Stop, please.

01:13:29.000 But that's fighting.

01:13:30.000 That's fighting.

01:13:30.000 That's why, like, in the NBA, the Cavs are the world champions.

01:13:34.000 Ain't no one on this fucking earth being those five guys in the entire world.

01:13:38.000 That's true.

01:13:38.000 NFL, world champions.

01:13:40.000 Right.

01:13:41.000 Boxing, MMA, it's like, there's all this.

01:13:43.000 We're just not up.

01:13:44.000 Well, Stipe Miocic is the world heavyweight champion.

01:13:47.000 100%.

01:13:48.000 Who the fuck is it?

01:13:49.000 Who else has the claim?

01:13:52.000 The best heavyweight MMA fighters in the world or in the UFC, no doubt about it.

01:13:56.000 Stipe's the best of the best.

01:13:57.000 He knocked out Verdum.

01:13:58.000 He's the world heavyweight champion.

01:14:00.000 Correct.

01:14:00.000 It's the only belt that really counts.

01:14:02.000 Yeah.

01:14:02.000 The UFC belt really counts.

01:14:04.000 The only way the UFC belt is even in contention is in some of the lighter weight classes.

01:14:09.000 You start going like, Oh, what would happen if this guy fought that guy?

01:14:12.000 Oh, I disagree.

01:14:13.000 But not even there.

01:14:14.000 Yeah, not even there.

01:14:15.000 Not even there.

01:14:16.000 Not really.

01:14:16.000 But that's the only place.

01:14:17.000 Yeah, I agree.

01:14:18.000 Like, Marlon Marais is a very talented guy, right?

01:14:21.000 He's a 145-er, right?

01:14:22.000 Or 135?

01:14:23.000 45-er, right?

01:14:24.000 Marlon Marais?

01:14:25.000 He fights for World Series of Fighting.

01:14:28.000 He's a legit, like, world-class fighter.

01:14:31.000 See, but this is why the UFC really only is the belt that counts because if he fought in the UFC, you ain't going straight to the belt.

01:14:40.000 You going through the fucking ringer of who's who at 45 to get to that belt, which everyone did.

01:14:46.000 Which Alvarez did too.

01:14:47.000 Marais, what is he fighting?

01:14:48.000 135, yeah.

01:14:49.000 So he's a bantamweight, legitimate threat to, in my opinion, anybody in the UFC at 135. I mean, could he really hit Dominic Cruz?

01:14:59.000 Who the fuck knows.

01:15:00.000 But look at that guy.

01:15:01.000 That guy is a savage.

01:15:03.000 That's a legit world-class fighter.

01:15:05.000 I got skeptical hibble eyes on that body.

01:15:06.000 He's a bad motherfucker.

01:15:08.000 He is a bad motherfucker.

01:15:10.000 That guy is super talented.

01:15:12.000 But unless you're in the UFC, no one gives a fine fuck.

01:15:15.000 It's weird because, you know, he's one of the few guys outside the UFC that, like, Justin Gagey's another one.

01:15:22.000 A few guys outside the UFC where I go, I want to see that fucking guy fight the best of the best.

01:15:27.000 I mean, I see, like, real mad potential in that kid.

01:15:30.000 He's the World Series of Fighting 55 champion.

01:15:34.000 He's an animal.

01:15:35.000 Kid's a fucking animal.

01:15:36.000 He's a beast, man.

01:15:37.000 He started with us in Denver.

01:15:38.000 Was a wrestler from UNC. He's just a monster.

01:15:41.000 But again, you look at the guys he's beating for these titles.

01:15:44.000 100%.

01:15:45.000 You're right.

01:15:45.000 100%.

01:15:46.000 No debate whatsoever.

01:15:47.000 And there ain't any growing either in the UFC. No.

01:15:50.000 Because you come from that world champion.

01:15:51.000 Look at Will Brooks.

01:15:52.000 First fight, Ross Pearson.

01:15:53.000 Yep.

01:15:54.000 Yep.

01:15:55.000 Yeah, he's going right into the hot.

01:15:56.000 I mean, that's the nature of the beast with the UFC. It's no different than the NBA or NFL. You're not getting cakewalks.

01:16:04.000 If you have this contract, they're paying you a shitload of money.

01:16:08.000 So there can be no doubt that the UFC 135 pound and 155 champions are the champions of the world.

01:16:13.000 But there is talent in some other weight classes.

01:16:17.000 There's talent in some other organizations.

01:16:19.000 To prove to your point, look at Eddie Alvarez.

01:16:22.000 Mm-hmm.

01:16:22.000 Everyone's like, God, I wonder how you do in the UFC. He's fighting for a world title now.

01:16:26.000 He'd be the first guy with a Bellator title and UFC title.

01:16:29.000 And I think Chandler, a guy who beat him once and lost to him a second time, I think Chandler looks even better now.

01:16:34.000 Me too.

01:16:34.000 Better than ever.

01:16:35.000 Me too.

01:16:35.000 He knocked out Patricky Pitbull.

01:16:37.000 Good lord.

01:16:38.000 He's explosive too.

01:16:39.000 He's so quick with his entries and his footwork was fantastic.

01:16:43.000 And he's a guy who's doing some, you know, pretty extensive fucking camps to get ready for this.

01:16:50.000 Spectacular workout ethic, or work ethic.

01:16:53.000 Where do you think, because a guy like Chandler, who's just killing the game, right?

01:16:58.000 He's a world champion.

01:17:00.000 He has a shitload of...

01:17:01.000 But this is the thing, though, Joe.

01:17:03.000 Let's say you're his manager.

01:17:05.000 He's the king of Bellator.

01:17:07.000 Let's say he's pulling in mid-six figures for sure.

01:17:10.000 And then he has sponsorship money included, so high six figures per fight.

01:17:14.000 Then come to UFC, it's going to be a different animal.

01:17:17.000 Now, as a fighter, no one's ever going to say you're pound-for-pound best.

01:17:22.000 That's just never going to happen.

01:17:23.000 It's just not.

01:17:24.000 So what do you do?

01:17:25.000 This is what I think.

01:17:26.000 He's the champ now.

01:17:28.000 Chandler's the 155-pound champ.

01:17:29.000 He's got two options.

01:17:31.000 Either he sticks it out with Bellator, and Bellator continues to grow.

01:17:35.000 But even my man, Jimmy Smith, who is, in my opinion, one of the best fucking commentators in the world, they're making him have to fake excitement about, like, Ken Shamrock versus Hoist Gracie.

01:17:48.000 The ultimate honey-dicking.

01:17:49.000 They're not doing good moves.

01:17:51.000 These are not good moves.

01:17:52.000 That one was bad, for sure.

01:17:53.000 That's a bad move.

01:17:54.000 But, you know...

01:17:55.000 For a guy like Jimmy Smith, who's a legit fan, as well as being an excellent commentator, that's a bad place to be.

01:18:04.000 You're making this guy have to hype up some horse shit.

01:18:07.000 You want that paycheck, bitch?

01:18:08.000 You better get crunked for that.

01:18:09.000 Ken Shamrock, Hoist Gracie 7. Dada 5000 and Kimbo.

01:18:13.000 You better be crunked.

01:18:14.000 Rest in peace, Kimbo.

01:18:15.000 You better be crunked, too.

01:18:16.000 It's Mike Tyson Holyfield.

01:18:18.000 Otherwise, we're taking half your paycheck.

01:18:20.000 There's nothing good about that.

01:18:22.000 I hope they don't have to do that anymore.

01:18:24.000 I hope they step away from that.

01:18:25.000 But, you know, like the Chandler fight, Chandler could, it's conceivable that if Spike really keeps pumping Bellator and keeps putting it up and keeps, you know, firing up the coals of promotion, that they get to a point where people start mentioning Chandler alongside other guys.

01:18:44.000 You'd have to sign more guys.

01:18:45.000 I don't know what the deal is with Roy McDonald.

01:18:48.000 His contract is up.

01:18:49.000 Granted, he lost to Wonderboy, but I know Bellator is going to make a strong push to sign that dude.

01:18:54.000 But you've got to get these free agents, man, to have a stable.

01:18:57.000 Because right now, you know what I'm saying?

01:18:59.000 Look at UFC 200. What the fuck?

01:19:02.000 Any person on there, any tandem could fight for a main event on Bellator at any night of the week.

01:19:08.000 Yeah, Sage Northcutt could.

01:19:11.000 Sage Northcutt would be fucking Brock Lesnar over there.

01:19:14.000 Look at him.

01:19:15.000 He's a mini Brock Lesnar.

01:19:15.000 He'd be a mini Brock Lesnar.

01:19:18.000 Did you see his comments?

01:19:20.000 What'd he say?

01:19:21.000 Said his last fight was a fluke.

01:19:24.000 Well, getting choked out's not a fluke, son.

01:19:25.000 That's not a fluke.

01:19:26.000 Yeah, well...

01:19:27.000 He's just young.

01:19:28.000 Yeah, he's a young kid.

01:19:29.000 I'm a fan.

01:19:30.000 He certainly did have a strep throat going into that fight.

01:19:33.000 That's been documented.

01:19:34.000 And, you know, someone choking you while you get strep throat, you're going to tap pretty fucking quick.

01:19:37.000 You have some serious inflammation in your neck and...

01:19:40.000 But Brian Barbarina is a fucking animal.

01:19:44.000 He's an animal.

01:19:45.000 Alright?

01:19:46.000 You saw how he beat, what's his name, Homeboy, the Brazilian cat that was undefeated.

01:19:52.000 Goddammit.

01:19:57.000 Goddammit, I can't remember his name.

01:20:01.000 Warly...

01:20:02.000 Warly Alves.

01:20:03.000 He beat that dude, who was a beast.

01:20:06.000 Undefeated.

01:20:06.000 Guy won the ultimate fighter for Brazil.

01:20:09.000 Oh, yeah.

01:20:10.000 Warly Alves.

01:20:11.000 He's a beast.

01:20:12.000 And Barbarina beat him in a war.

01:20:15.000 Can't call it a fluke.

01:20:17.000 It's not a fluke.

01:20:18.000 Like, getting nicked by a right hand and getting dropped, you can say that's a fluke.

01:20:21.000 It's not even a fluke.

01:20:24.000 Guy wanted to punch you, he punched you.

01:20:25.000 Yeah, you can chalk that up more as a fluke than a fucking submission that was calculated.

01:20:30.000 Like, no, no, no, I decided to take you down and choke you out.

01:20:32.000 There's no fluke.

01:20:33.000 Like, I went through the steps, choked you out.

01:20:35.000 Yeah, it's true.

01:20:36.000 Goddamn, he's fighting Enrique Marin Wasabi.

01:20:39.000 That's his nickname, Wasabi.

01:20:40.000 Fucking Wasabi.

01:20:41.000 He's spicy like sushi.

01:20:43.000 Like the green stuff on sushi.

01:20:45.000 Like the green stuff.

01:20:46.000 Wasabi.

01:20:47.000 I don't know anything about Enrique, do you?

01:20:49.000 Nothing besides his name's Wasabi.

01:20:51.000 Does he have a UFC record?

01:20:52.000 9-3-0.

01:20:55.000 Click on him, Jamie.

01:20:56.000 See if you got a UFC record on him.

01:21:00.000 Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

01:21:03.000 Scroll up, please.

01:21:04.000 Is that his UFC record?

01:21:06.000 Yeah.

01:21:07.000 So he does have a...

01:21:08.000 One loss, split decision loss.

01:21:10.000 Yeah.

01:21:11.000 But that's not...

01:21:11.000 Yeah, UFC fight night, November 21st.

01:21:15.000 He...

01:21:15.000 Okay.

01:21:18.000 Probably a good fight for Sage.

01:21:19.000 Yeah.

01:21:20.000 If he's on antibiotics.

01:21:22.000 That's the kind of fight that he really should be taking.

01:21:24.000 100%.

01:21:25.000 Don't throw him to the wolves.

01:21:27.000 Yeah.

01:21:27.000 Build the kid up.

01:21:28.000 I mean, the kid's 21 years old, right?

01:21:29.000 Is he even 21?

01:21:30.000 He's 20, right?

01:21:31.000 He's 20, right?

01:21:32.000 Or 19. Stud.

01:21:35.000 Here's the fucking sleeper that no one's talking about.

01:21:38.000 T.J. Dillashaw and Rafael Asuncao.

01:21:40.000 That's a tough fight for T.J. Asuncao.

01:21:43.000 They fought before, remember?

01:21:44.000 Yeah.

01:21:45.000 And who won?

01:21:46.000 Asansa in Brazil.

01:21:47.000 But very, very close.

01:21:49.000 Some people had TJ winning.

01:21:51.000 Yeah.

01:21:53.000 TJ needs this fight.

01:21:55.000 Yeah, really needs this fight.

01:21:56.000 There's a couple guys on this card who really need to win, but I think...

01:22:02.000 Sansow's a little tank, man.

01:22:03.000 He's a super tank.

01:22:04.000 You know, TJ's the biggest favorite on this card.

01:22:07.000 Really?

01:22:07.000 I think four to one.

01:22:08.000 Hmm.

01:22:09.000 I think just because Sansow's past record, you know, like...

01:22:12.000 How much of a favorite is Kane over Brown?

01:22:16.000 I think Brown's like plus 225, right?

01:22:20.000 Oh, look at this, Jamie.

01:22:22.000 Oh shit, Jamie with the quickness.

01:22:24.000 280. 290?

01:22:26.000 Yeah, Kane's at 290. See, that's my upset pick of the night.

01:22:30.000 If I'm gonna bet.

01:22:32.000 Yeah, I could see that being John Jones a big favorite.

01:22:36.000 Look at that.

01:22:36.000 That makes sense.

01:22:37.000 Yeah.

01:22:38.000 But there's a couple people who need wins.

01:22:41.000 I mean, Jose Aldo.

01:22:44.000 Jose Aldo, man.

01:22:45.000 He's been gone for a while.

01:22:46.000 He got murked by McGregor, talking about shit.

01:22:48.000 Kind of need to win.

01:22:49.000 Travis Brown, he loses this one.

01:22:52.000 It's tough, man.

01:22:54.000 I'm surprised that Aldo and Edgar is basically dead even.

01:23:00.000 Really?

01:23:00.000 Who would you give it to?

01:23:01.000 Aldo?

01:23:04.000 Boy, it's hard.

01:23:06.000 I guess I'm not surprised because you really don't fucking know.

01:23:09.000 If you go back and you look at all those past performances, you look at his last fight with Chad Mendes before he fought McGregor.

01:23:17.000 Best fight ever.

01:23:18.000 Fantastic fight.

01:23:20.000 I don't know, man.

01:23:22.000 That's a tough one to call.

01:23:23.000 It used to be even in the odds.

01:23:25.000 Yeah, it's weird.

01:23:25.000 That's a fucking tough fight to call, man.

01:23:27.000 Yeah.

01:23:28.000 And the fact that Connor was able to starch him like that.

01:23:31.000 And Frankie just shows no sign of slowing down.

01:23:35.000 I know, it's weird.

01:23:36.000 He is a fucking animal.

01:23:39.000 He posted videos of his workout, like last workout before he went to Vegas.

01:23:44.000 He's doing fucking handstands and backflips.

01:23:47.000 He's a monster, man.

01:23:49.000 His little daughter's working out with him.

01:23:50.000 That guy deserves a title shot so bad.

01:23:52.000 He certainly does.

01:23:53.000 I'm very curious about this fight.

01:23:55.000 But think about Aldo, he's never been knocked out like that before.

01:23:58.000 Nope.

01:23:59.000 So we've never seen how he responds.

01:24:01.000 Exactly.

01:24:02.000 He could just be a demon, a Brazilian demon.

01:24:05.000 Fucking Mercs Frankie.

01:24:06.000 It's such a good fight.

01:24:07.000 Well, Frankie had a really hard time with his leg kicks in that first fight.

01:24:11.000 Really, really hard.

01:24:12.000 And this was also, you know, pre-USADA. True.

01:24:19.000 And also Frankie, he's been on a straight win streak, son.

01:24:23.000 Merkin dudes.

01:24:24.000 Cub Swanson fight, just relentless.

01:24:26.000 Chad Mendes.

01:24:26.000 BJ Penn.

01:24:28.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:24:29.000 Frankie has been on a tear.

01:24:31.000 You know who needs a win like a motherfucker?

01:24:34.000 Johnny Hendricks.

01:24:36.000 He does.

01:24:36.000 And there's not an easy fight at all.

01:24:38.000 It's a weird matchup.

01:24:39.000 Especially if Kelvin comes in in shape.

01:24:42.000 Especially if Kelvin doesn't have a hard time making weight.

01:24:45.000 Kelvin's a beast, man.

01:24:46.000 He's light on his feet.

01:24:48.000 He throws real quick hands.

01:24:51.000 He's got great footwork, and he's a southpaw.

01:24:54.000 They're very similar.

01:24:55.000 They're very similar.

01:24:56.000 Kelvin's way more agile, though, on his feet.

01:24:59.000 Way more footwork.

01:25:00.000 See, I think Johnny puts things together better.

01:25:03.000 And I think Kelvin's going to struggle with it.

01:25:05.000 Because Kelvin's usually, he's that grinder, like he'll wrestle, you know what I'm saying?

01:25:09.000 He'll throw those big bombs.

01:25:11.000 Well, shit, that's Johnny's fucking game, man.

01:25:14.000 Mmm.

01:25:15.000 It's a great fight.

01:25:16.000 It is a great fight.

01:25:17.000 But I think Kelvin just needs to be really, really focused for this fight.

01:25:21.000 This is a giant, important step for him.

01:25:24.000 For both of them.

01:25:25.000 Johnny loses this one.

01:25:26.000 That's three in a row, son.

01:25:28.000 Yeah.

01:25:28.000 Yeah, you're right.

01:25:29.000 And this is a big one.

01:25:31.000 This is a really big one.

01:25:32.000 Because he's facing a young kid on the way up who's not top ten right now.

01:25:38.000 It's a risky fight for Johnny.

01:25:39.000 It's weird.

01:25:40.000 There's certain fights in your career where...

01:25:42.000 It's like a fork in the road, man.

01:25:44.000 Yeah.

01:25:45.000 And it's so competitive, especially at this weight class now.

01:25:48.000 It's like, you lose to Kelvin?

01:25:50.000 Fuck, man.

01:25:51.000 Well, Johnny's lack of mobility got exposed in the Wonderboy fight.

01:25:55.000 Well, fuck, who's didn't?

01:25:57.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:25:58.000 Wonderboy's just on another level when it comes to that karate style.

01:26:01.000 But I also think Johnny, he's always been on discipline outside camps.

01:26:05.000 It's catching up with him.

01:26:07.000 Now there's no IVs, so you have to be disciplined.

01:26:13.000 You want to fight at the world-class level, you've got to be disciplined outside camp now.

01:26:17.000 He just didn't look like a killer in that fight.

01:26:19.000 He just didn't look like the same Johnny.

01:26:21.000 He didn't look like the Johnny Hendricks that knocked out Martin Kampman or the Johnny Hendricks that knocked out Fitch.

01:26:28.000 Or the Robbie Lawler fights?

01:26:29.000 Yeah, he had fire in his eyes in those fights.

01:26:32.000 And you've got to also take into consideration a lot of distractions outside the octagon.

01:26:36.000 He started a fucking restaurant.

01:26:38.000 Remember?

01:26:39.000 He started a restaurant in Texas.

01:26:40.000 He opened up a steakhouse and it went under with a quickness.

01:26:43.000 I'm not mad at that idea, though.

01:26:45.000 Dude, the reviews were harsh.

01:26:48.000 Just shitty service.

01:26:50.000 This terrible food.

01:26:51.000 Well, hopefully his ass isn't in there cooking steaks and shit.

01:26:54.000 I don't know what he was thinking.

01:26:55.000 Restaurants are a bad idea.

01:26:56.000 But why would you do that in the middle of your competitive career?

01:26:59.000 I mean, I don't know who fucking told him to do that.

01:27:01.000 Well, he probably just invested in it.

01:27:03.000 Whatever.

01:27:03.000 It doesn't affect his training, though.

01:27:05.000 It affects you.

01:27:06.000 Guarantee you.

01:27:07.000 Remember, he left that camp, though.

01:27:09.000 Yes.

01:27:09.000 He left.

01:27:10.000 And their agreement was, we take a percentage of this and we pay for everything.

01:27:14.000 And he's like, fuck this, man.

01:27:15.000 I'm out.

01:27:15.000 And then he hasn't been the same, man.

01:27:17.000 Well, they paid for everything, too.

01:27:19.000 They gave him a salary, and then they had hired all these trainers.

01:27:23.000 Well, all these camps, these super camps, they all hemorrhage cash.

01:27:27.000 You know, like, the Black Zillions are in a situation right now because the owner just declared bankruptcy.

01:27:34.000 Did you hear about that?

01:27:35.000 Glenn Robinson?

01:27:36.000 Yeah, make sure that's true.

01:27:38.000 I looked it up and said it wasn't affecting the Black Zillions at the time.

01:27:43.000 It affects it.

01:27:45.000 The owner has no money.

01:27:46.000 He funds that.

01:27:48.000 The only way those things make money, the only way those camps make money, the only way, is if they become successful for a long period of time like Jackson's.

01:27:58.000 Jackson's done it the right way.

01:27:59.000 They have world champions, they have elite high-level athletes trained there all the time.

01:28:02.000 They slowly develop a massive fucking clientele.

01:28:06.000 They have Massive amounts of students.

01:28:08.000 So people are paying dues and they can expand.

01:28:11.000 It's students though.

01:28:12.000 That's the key word.

01:28:13.000 Students pay the bill, the overhead, and then the fighters bring the attention.

01:28:16.000 Most people don't do that.

01:28:18.000 Like Black Zillions, I don't think they offer any classes.

01:28:21.000 They just paid like over him a gigillion dollars to train there.

01:28:24.000 And that didn't even work.

01:28:25.000 He like worked out by himself in the corner.

01:28:26.000 Yeah, he apparently didn't enjoy training with anybody else.

01:28:32.000 Does not play well with others.

01:28:34.000 He threw a lot of cash at people to get them all over there.

01:28:38.000 It's a bad business plan, man.

01:28:38.000 It's terrible business plan.

01:28:39.000 It's just a rich guy that doesn't know the sport.

01:28:41.000 Tool manufacturer with more than $10 million in debt files Chapter 11. See, that ain't good.

01:28:46.000 Shit said tool.

01:28:47.000 When you have more than $10 million in debt, that means, Jamie, you're richer than him.

01:28:52.000 Because he owes 10 million bucks.

01:28:53.000 You don't owe 10 million bucks, so you win.

01:28:55.000 So this guy's running around like he's rich, driving fucking Ferraris and shit.

01:28:59.000 Like, no.

01:28:59.000 No, you're not rich anymore.

01:29:00.000 You fucked up.

01:29:02.000 You spent all your money on Overeem.

01:29:04.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:29:05.000 The Ultimate Reality Show, The Ultimate Fighter.

01:29:07.000 Remember that with the Black Zealands and American Top Team?

01:29:11.000 And he was like the focal point, him and the guy arguing.

01:29:14.000 Worst season ever!

01:29:16.000 I don't want to see two rich guys argue about his fighters.

01:29:18.000 Well, Dan Lambert is an actual guy who trains.

01:29:23.000 I mean, I think he's got his black belt now.

01:29:25.000 Oh, yeah.

01:29:25.000 Super lightweight.

01:29:25.000 I mean, he was a brown belt for a long time, and he's a real fan of the sport.

01:29:30.000 And if there's anybody that deserves credit for not just keeping that team alive, American Top Team, but dumping a ton of money into it, investing a ton of money into the sport, and developing a legit world-class facility, it's Dan Lambert.

01:29:45.000 That guy needs...

01:29:46.000 He deserves all the props in the world.

01:29:48.000 He's legit as fuck.

01:29:49.000 Yeah, get off my TV, though.

01:29:50.000 But, uh...

01:29:53.000 That AK's done the fucking thing.

01:29:55.000 Yes, they'd done it the right way.

01:29:56.000 Crazy Bob Cook.

01:29:57.000 They never went into debt.

01:29:59.000 They did it smart.

01:30:00.000 Because they have students.

01:30:00.000 Yep, they have students.

01:30:01.000 You gotta have students.

01:30:02.000 Gotta have students.

01:30:03.000 Well, you know what it is, man?

01:30:04.000 These guys, like if you look at that guy from the Black Zillions, no offense.

01:30:08.000 Let's just be real.

01:30:10.000 That guy's a little doughboy.

01:30:11.000 He's got a big fat face, probably never good at any sports, and he wanted to be in with the cool guys.

01:30:17.000 He wants to be associated with them.

01:30:18.000 Yeah, so he decided he's going to pay for everything.

01:30:20.000 Maybe he's a big fan of the sport, invests a lot of money in it, and good for him.

01:30:23.000 Look, he maintained it for this long, which is way longer than most people would have.

01:30:29.000 If you really stop and think about it, You just can't be a smart businessman and get into this sport and dump all that cash.

01:30:35.000 You'd have to be some Rupert Murdoch-type character that's got just fucking kajillions.

01:30:39.000 You can't have 10 million in debt with your tool company.

01:30:42.000 Just can't, man.

01:30:43.000 Sorry, dude.

01:30:44.000 And then pay over him all this money.

01:30:46.000 Over him's like, I'll come!

01:30:48.000 And then gets her like...

01:30:49.000 I'm not working out at the same time everyone else is.

01:30:51.000 He's like, fuck, I didn't even think about this.

01:30:52.000 Oh, yeah, bitch.

01:30:54.000 We're fighters and we have the biggest egos ever.

01:30:56.000 So it doesn't work like that.

01:30:58.000 You just don't plug and play guys, man.

01:31:00.000 Yeah, you don't.

01:31:01.000 You have to be able to figure out some way to make a team.

01:31:04.000 And then it's also not a team sport.

01:31:07.000 So what happens when, you know, like ATT is dealing with right now with Robbie Lawler about to fight Tyron Woodley?

01:31:12.000 You have to figure out a way to navigate those waters.

01:31:15.000 This is the first time ATT's had to deal with it.

01:31:17.000 It's a good problem to have, though.

01:31:18.000 It's a very good problem to have.

01:31:19.000 The thing is, you've got to invest in young guys, too.

01:31:22.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:31:22.000 You can't just be about the superstars.

01:31:24.000 You have to have young guys coming up, and they're the guys that you built up.

01:31:27.000 Then you have to have class.

01:31:29.000 It's just a fucking terrible business plan.

01:31:31.000 Yeah, you have to be a real moron.

01:31:33.000 You got to be a guy like Dan Lambert, who is very wealthy, but truly legitimately loves the sport.

01:31:39.000 Dan loves the sport.

01:31:40.000 But if you pull Dan aside and talk to him about the headaches, he'll just go, oh, fucking Christ.

01:31:45.000 And Dan's super honest about it.

01:31:47.000 Yeah, I wonder if he could go back in time if he'd do it.

01:31:50.000 Of course he would.

01:31:50.000 He just built a new facility.

01:31:51.000 He just built a huge, gigantic place.

01:31:54.000 How's he so rich?

01:31:55.000 He's a baller.

01:31:57.000 He's just very successful in business.

01:31:59.000 He's got a bunch of shit going on.

01:32:00.000 Does he own a tool company or something?

01:32:01.000 No tool company.

01:32:02.000 He's a legitimate, you know, super wealthy dude who's a legitimate fan of MMA. I've been friends with Dan for shit.

01:32:12.000 Going on like 15 years I've known him.

01:32:14.000 He's always been like that.

01:32:16.000 I've only talked to him once and he was super nice to me.

01:32:18.000 We went to see the IFL. He and I and Eddie Bravo went to see the IFL together.

01:32:24.000 Yeah.

01:32:25.000 Where was that?

01:32:26.000 I want to say it's in like fucking New Jersey or something like that.

01:32:29.000 ATT for a while was...

01:32:31.000 The biggest camp ever.

01:32:33.000 Remember they had like Thiago Alves.

01:32:35.000 They had Bigfoot.

01:32:36.000 Who else did they have?

01:32:37.000 They had Hector Lombard.

01:32:38.000 They just had the Who's Who.

01:32:40.000 It was like the number one spot to be at, I remember.

01:32:42.000 For the longest time.

01:32:44.000 Yeah.

01:32:45.000 Kimbo went down there.

01:32:46.000 Robbie Lawler.

01:32:47.000 King Mo.

01:32:48.000 Yeah.

01:32:48.000 They just had Mark Hunt.

01:32:49.000 Yep.

01:32:50.000 Well, Black Zillions extracted people from ATT. They paid people to go over there.

01:32:58.000 And there was like a big exodus where a bunch of people just got their bills paid and, you know, threw some money at them.

01:33:03.000 You wanted to build up a team.

01:33:04.000 I did half my camp for Noguera down there.

01:33:07.000 Yeah, how was it?

01:33:07.000 With Rashad.

01:33:10.000 I mean, it was good sparring because it was like Rashad, Rumble Johnson.

01:33:14.000 Did you spar with Rumble?

01:33:16.000 Yeah.

01:33:16.000 How was that?

01:33:17.000 I mean, nightmare.

01:33:18.000 I think we only did one round, but he wasn't in camp, so he's kind of like, whatever.

01:33:23.000 He's a fucking nightmare.

01:33:24.000 He's huge.

01:33:24.000 I was like, you're bigger than me.

01:33:25.000 I'm fighting that heavyweight.

01:33:27.000 Weird.

01:33:29.000 Super nice guy.

01:33:30.000 And he can wrestle his ass off.

01:33:31.000 That's what people don't know.

01:33:32.000 He's a fucking stud athlete.

01:33:34.000 The camp was good there, but Rashad was getting ready for a fight, too.

01:33:37.000 I forget who he was getting ready for.

01:33:38.000 Oh, John.

01:33:39.000 It may have been John, but...

01:33:41.000 You know, it was about Rashad.

01:33:43.000 Rashad's the captain of that team.

01:33:45.000 It's just weird, man.

01:33:47.000 You know, if it's not...

01:33:48.000 I don't know.

01:33:48.000 They have to be invested in you.

01:33:50.000 It was a good switch up for me because my manager was down there and he had a huge house.

01:33:53.000 I needed a change and different sparring partners.

01:33:57.000 So I flew down there for two weeks and I'd fly back and forth.

01:34:00.000 As you can tell, probably wasn't the smartest.

01:34:02.000 The fight didn't go great.

01:34:04.000 Seems like a good facility down there.

01:34:06.000 It was all right.

01:34:07.000 Just all right?

01:34:08.000 Just all right.

01:34:08.000 Yeah.

01:34:09.000 Nothing crazy.

01:34:10.000 Just all right compared to other gyms.

01:34:11.000 Yeah.

01:34:13.000 Yeah, what is the best facility right now going?

01:34:16.000 Is it ATT? TriStar.

01:34:17.000 TriStar.

01:34:18.000 How so?

01:34:20.000 I think TriStar, because for Ross, he's not...

01:34:26.000 He doesn't want fame.

01:34:27.000 He was a fighter himself.

01:34:29.000 He's ridiculous at kickboxing, jiu-jitsu.

01:34:33.000 He teaches the jiu-jitsu in a gi.

01:34:35.000 So there's students.

01:34:36.000 So he's not riding and dying off the paycheck of Rory or GSP, stuff like that.

01:34:41.000 There's professional boxers that work out there.

01:34:43.000 They have a boxing ring.

01:34:44.000 They have an octagon.

01:34:46.000 It's a motivating environment as far as...

01:34:51.000 Other gyms, it's intimidating.

01:34:53.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:34:53.000 Does that make sense?

01:34:54.000 Yes, it does.

01:34:54.000 I remember going to Jackson.

01:34:56.000 Jackson's world-class, best of the best, but it was non-stop sparring.

01:35:01.000 It was like, fuck, man.

01:35:03.000 My coaches from Denver weren't there when I'd go there, so I was so intimidated there all the time because it was just straight-up banging.

01:35:12.000 Yeah, that could be a problem, too, right?

01:35:13.000 The balance between sparring and technical work.

01:35:18.000 Keith Jardine and I were just together.

01:35:20.000 I haven't seen Keith forever.

01:35:21.000 Keith's a close friend, man.

01:35:23.000 I look at Keith because he's doing acting now.

01:35:26.000 He's doing well.

01:35:27.000 He's talking about the podcast game and all this stuff and we're laughing.

01:35:30.000 I go, bro, remember how we used to fucking spar?

01:35:34.000 Remember?

01:35:35.000 You would go in.

01:35:36.000 You would do a round with me.

01:35:38.000 You would stay in.

01:35:39.000 Shane would climb in.

01:35:40.000 You'd do two rounds with him and then I would jump in.

01:35:42.000 He goes, what the fuck were we thinking?

01:35:44.000 I went, dude, you guys are older than me.

01:35:46.000 I thought you guys knew what was up.

01:35:48.000 He goes, insane, man.

01:35:49.000 Insane.

01:35:50.000 And he even goes, I wish I would have stopped sooner.

01:35:53.000 He goes, those last couple, I wish someone had told me, because we were talking about, he goes, I wish someone would have told me, because I wish I would have stopped sooner, man.

01:35:59.000 He goes, those last ones were wasting my time.

01:36:02.000 Because we were talking about a mutual friend we have, a very close friend.

01:36:05.000 I'm like, fuck, I wish you would have stopped, man.

01:36:07.000 He's like, you just talked to him another day.

01:36:09.000 I don't know, man.

01:36:11.000 He still wants to do it?

01:36:13.000 Yeah, it's hard to get a guy to walk away from it because everything else is so muted and dull and the experience of competing is just such a massive, massive rush of excitement and the bleakness of the possibilities and the opportunities outside the cage.

01:36:28.000 Yeah, but the issue is if that's your identity, like any athlete, not just fighters, football players, boxers, basketball players, if that's your identity, like you're known as Mr. Fighter and Mr. Basketball, it's depressing, man.

01:36:41.000 Yeah.

01:36:42.000 Super depressing.

01:36:43.000 Alright, let's look at that card.

01:36:44.000 What else we got on that card?

01:36:46.000 So what do you like in the Frankie and Aldo fight?

01:36:50.000 That's the toughest fight for me to pick.

01:36:52.000 Really, if you take away the last fight with Frankie or with Aldo and Connor, then it becomes a tough fight for Frankie to win.

01:37:03.000 Frankie's got to be at his best, right?

01:37:05.000 He's an underdog, yeah.

01:37:07.000 But Frankie, you look at his victories, and you've got to think he looks better than ever.

01:37:13.000 Frankie, he's in his prime right now.

01:37:16.000 Unquestionably in his prime.

01:37:18.000 The Cub Swanson fight shows that.

01:37:21.000 The Uriah Faber fight was not very impressive.

01:37:25.000 The Uriah Faber fight was like a fight where he just sort of won.

01:37:30.000 But it was not that big of a deal.

01:37:31.000 Your eye is fucking tough to finish, man.

01:37:33.000 He is tough to finish, but Dominick Cruz beat the shit out of him.

01:37:37.000 And Dominick Cruz did it in a much more convincing way.

01:37:40.000 You know, Frankie beat him.

01:37:42.000 The Chad Mendes fight was spectacular.

01:37:44.000 First round knockout.

01:37:45.000 That was amazing.

01:37:46.000 See, and you can't...

01:37:47.000 MMA math never works.

01:37:48.000 We all know this.

01:37:49.000 But when you see what Frankie did to Chad Mendes, and you look at the war that Aldo and Chad Mendes had...

01:37:56.000 Right.

01:37:56.000 It's just so impressive, man.

01:37:57.000 Right, but then you look at what Aldo did to Uriah Faber.

01:38:01.000 Beat the fucking brakes off of him.

01:38:03.000 He beat the fucking life out of him.

01:38:06.000 Beat the life out of him.

01:38:07.000 Then you look at what Frankie did to him, it's not as impressive.

01:38:09.000 I mean, math doesn't work, does it?

01:38:10.000 Doesn't work.

01:38:11.000 And then you've got to remember now there's new testing involved.

01:38:14.000 I'm not saying he's on things, but I'm saying we only have one Brazilian champ before we have many more.

01:38:19.000 Forget about just talking about Brazilians.

01:38:21.000 All fighters across the board.

01:38:23.000 First of all, Aldo is now, what is he, 32?

01:38:27.000 How old is Aldo?

01:38:29.000 If you had to guess.

01:38:30.000 31. 31. I would say he's in the neighborhood, right?

01:38:35.000 What do we got here?

01:38:36.000 29. Okay.

01:38:37.000 He's in the neighborhood.

01:38:38.000 Been fighting for a long time.

01:38:41.000 Had some incredible, incredible fights.

01:38:43.000 But you've definitely seen a change in his physique.

01:38:47.000 And then you could say, well, you go back to the first Chad Mendes fight in particular.

01:38:52.000 Just jacked.

01:38:53.000 But you've got to think, okay, well, he also had a hard time making 145 back then.

01:39:00.000 So it could be that he decided to lean out because it's easier on his cardio.

01:39:04.000 There's a lot going on there.

01:39:06.000 But didn't...

01:39:06.000 Chad tested positive too recently, right?

01:39:08.000 Yes, he did.

01:39:10.000 Yes, he did.

01:39:11.000 Yeah, he tested positive for some...

01:39:14.000 Peptides, I think.

01:39:15.000 Some growth hormone peptides.

01:39:18.000 Dude, Mousasi is on the fucking undercard against Leonardo Santos.

01:39:22.000 He sure is.

01:39:23.000 Oh, Tiago Santos, excuse me.

01:39:24.000 And no one's even fucking talking about it.

01:39:27.000 Jim Miller Gomes kicks the fight pass off.

01:39:30.000 Jesus.

01:39:31.000 Gomes is like, I'm the first fight of the night?

01:39:32.000 What the fuck?

01:39:33.000 It's good for him.

01:39:36.000 Gomi, the way he performs lately has been a shell of himself.

01:39:40.000 I mean, it's just winging giant bombs and hands down and plotting.

01:39:48.000 You know, Jim Miller's a guy who's just had wars.

01:39:51.000 So many wars.

01:39:52.000 So has Joe Lozon, man.

01:39:53.000 I watch Joe Lozon fight sometimes, and I love the dude.

01:39:57.000 He's one of my favorites.

01:39:58.000 Mr. Bonus?

01:39:59.000 Yeah.

01:40:00.000 It's tough, man.

01:40:01.000 It is tough.

01:40:02.000 It's like, where, you know, what happens there?

01:40:05.000 And I'll tell you what, Kat Singano and Juliana Pena is very interesting for the bantamweight division, for the women's bantamweight division.

01:40:13.000 Because Kat Singano, first of all, right there, she's like, jacked.

01:40:16.000 She's even leaner now.

01:40:18.000 Is she?

01:40:18.000 Yeah.

01:40:19.000 You'll see new pictures of her.

01:40:20.000 Good for her.

01:40:21.000 Well, it's a tough fight for her, man.

01:40:23.000 Real tough fight.

01:40:24.000 Juliana Pena's a beast.

01:40:26.000 And they're friends, too, right?

01:40:27.000 Yeah.

01:40:28.000 They're not friends.

01:40:30.000 Pena and Tate are really close.

01:40:33.000 Yeah, which is interesting because they might have to fight.

01:40:35.000 Pena said, sign me up.

01:40:36.000 Yeah, I mean, she's got to say that.

01:40:38.000 Bitch, girls don't care, man, do they?

01:40:40.000 She's got to.

01:40:40.000 They're just different.

01:40:41.000 It's for the title.

01:40:42.000 Dudes are like, I don't know.

01:40:43.000 Girls are like, I will fuck her up.

01:40:45.000 Goddamn, girl.

01:40:46.000 Relax.

01:40:47.000 This is an interesting fight.

01:40:49.000 Striking-wise, Kat has a big advantage.

01:40:52.000 Oh, grappling, I'd say Kat.

01:40:53.000 You think so?

01:40:54.000 Cat as well?

01:40:55.000 In grappling?

01:40:56.000 Juliana Pena can grapple, man.

01:40:58.000 She's strong as fuck, dude.

01:40:59.000 Cat is so fucking strong.

01:41:01.000 Is she?

01:41:02.000 She threw Callan around like a fucking rag doll I got on video.

01:41:05.000 Did you just say Callan?

01:41:06.000 Yeah.

01:41:07.000 A grown man, though.

01:41:08.000 A grown man.

01:41:08.000 Is he really a grown man?

01:41:10.000 Is he really?

01:41:11.000 By whose definition?

01:41:13.000 175-pound man.

01:41:15.000 Did he try to grapple with her?

01:41:17.000 Yeah, he did.

01:41:17.000 No.

01:41:18.000 Oh, yeah.

01:41:18.000 Oh, poor baby.

01:41:20.000 It's awesome.

01:41:20.000 Poor sweetie.

01:41:21.000 Awesome.

01:41:23.000 He's got body dysmorphia the opposite way.

01:41:26.000 It's completely opposite.

01:41:27.000 Most people think they're smaller than they are.

01:41:28.000 Yeah.

01:41:30.000 I was like, why would you grapple cat?

01:41:32.000 No.

01:41:33.000 Well, not only that, he doesn't train at all!

01:41:37.000 Ever.

01:41:37.000 I mean, he hit the mitts, I guess.

01:41:41.000 And he does something that supposedly is kind of like sparring.

01:41:46.000 Don't get me started.

01:41:48.000 It's a good fight, though.

01:41:49.000 It's a good fight.

01:41:50.000 What's interesting is...

01:41:51.000 They started standing up, Callan and her?

01:41:54.000 Yeah.

01:41:55.000 Because Kat wrestled in high school, and then she won Worlds as, I think, a white belt.

01:42:00.000 She gets crap.

01:42:02.000 And she's a thick girl and fucking strong, man.

01:42:07.000 She trains to Lauren Landau and the numbers she puts up, she's a beast.

01:42:12.000 Yeah.

01:42:12.000 She's no joke.

01:42:13.000 Strong girl.

01:42:14.000 Very tough.

01:42:15.000 And that fucking Misha Tate KO. She KO'd her with that elbow.

01:42:18.000 She KO'd both those girls in that fucking championship.

01:42:23.000 She's nasty.

01:42:24.000 Super nasty.

01:42:25.000 Yeah.

01:42:26.000 Her husband came in suicide and all that stuff, so she took a shitload of time off.

01:42:30.000 And then she lost in literally 13 seconds to Ronda.

01:42:34.000 But she was saying how, and it's true, like her head coach, Lister Bullen, who she left to go to Alliance, she was saying...

01:42:40.000 He was like, the issue with her is she never wants to game plan and watch tape.

01:42:43.000 She just wants to fight and scrap.

01:42:45.000 Which at a certain level, you just can't.

01:42:46.000 You just can't.

01:42:47.000 You can't.

01:42:48.000 It's a sport.

01:42:50.000 You do have to game plan tendencies.

01:42:52.000 And she never wanted to.

01:42:53.000 She hated it.

01:42:55.000 It stressed her out.

01:42:56.000 So the coaches would do it, but tell her, like in that Ronda fight, hey man, you can't run straight at her and just get armbar in 13 seconds.

01:43:05.000 Yeah.

01:43:06.000 You just can't.

01:43:07.000 And so now she's at Alliance and she's like, this is the first fight I'm going to have a game plan for.

01:43:11.000 So it could be good.

01:43:13.000 Could be.

01:43:13.000 It's interesting.

01:43:14.000 Yeah, it could be.

01:43:15.000 It's not for everyone.

01:43:17.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:43:18.000 Like they think too much.

01:43:19.000 Juliana Pena is going to be at a disadvantage striking, but I don't know if she's going to be at a disadvantage grappling.

01:43:26.000 Pena's a fucking beast on the ground.

01:43:29.000 Interesting.

01:43:30.000 Very interesting fight.

01:43:31.000 Very good fight.

01:43:32.000 I think Kat has an advantage as far as just size and strength.

01:43:36.000 She's a fucking strong man for a girl.

01:43:39.000 This is a fucking crazy card.

01:43:42.000 Look at this now.

01:43:43.000 We just keep going.

01:43:44.000 It's almost like Christmas at a rich kid's house.

01:43:47.000 Just keep opening up presents.

01:43:49.000 Just too much.

01:43:50.000 You're at your rich aunt's house and just fucking open presents.

01:43:53.000 All these fucking presents.

01:43:55.000 Fuck, man.

01:43:56.000 I mean, by the end of the night, I'm going to be exhausted.

01:43:58.000 Dude, yeah, I'm going on vacation.

01:44:01.000 Usually I wouldn't give a fuck, but I will find somewhere to watch UFC 200. Yeah, well, you know, if you have Fight Pass, you could watch pay-per-view from your laptop.

01:44:08.000 Do you know that?

01:44:10.000 I didn't know that.

01:44:10.000 Yeah, you can get pay-per-view from Fight Pass.

01:44:12.000 I'm going to Hawaii, though.

01:44:14.000 That's a fight town.

01:44:15.000 It is a fight town.

01:44:17.000 But I watched Fight Pass on my TV the other day.

01:44:21.000 I watched a pay-per-view.

01:44:23.000 Because I forgot to order a pay-per-view once, and so I bought it off of Fight Pass.

01:44:27.000 I was like, oh yeah, you can just get it off Fight Pass.

01:44:30.000 That's pretty dope, like an old one.

01:44:32.000 That's fucking awesome, man.

01:44:33.000 I don't fucks with Fight Pass.

01:44:34.000 Well, Apple TV is the shit.

01:44:36.000 I love Apple TV. And UFC Fight Pass is an app.

01:44:41.000 You can download it, and you watch UFC Fight Pass right on Apple TV. That's pretty dope.

01:44:45.000 Oh my god, you have every fight ever.

01:44:47.000 And I use my phone as my remote control.

01:44:50.000 Damn, dog.

01:44:51.000 They're selling me on this show.

01:44:52.000 It's like an ad during the fucking...

01:44:54.000 Damn!

01:44:55.000 I don't know.

01:44:57.000 I'll find somewhere out there to watch it.

01:44:58.000 Yeah, you gotta watch it.

01:44:59.000 I can't go to the bar, man.

01:45:01.000 It's too intense for me.

01:45:02.000 So, highest stakes on the card.

01:45:04.000 Like, Dillashaw just coming off one fight.

01:45:08.000 One fight ago, he was a world champion.

01:45:10.000 Loses a super close decision to Dominick Cruz.

01:45:12.000 Super close.

01:45:13.000 You lose this one, though.

01:45:14.000 See ya!

01:45:14.000 I know, but think about that.

01:45:16.000 Loses a close decision.

01:45:17.000 No one's talking about a rematch, right?

01:45:19.000 No one's clamoring for a rematch.

01:45:21.000 I mean, this guy goes out there, mercs Henenborough, fights Joe Soto on one day's notice, beats him down.

01:45:27.000 Kicks him in the face.

01:45:28.000 Then, goes ahead and merks!

01:45:31.000 Ten and Burrell the second time.

01:45:33.000 Just destroys him.

01:45:35.000 Loses a close, close decision to Dominic Cruz.

01:45:39.000 And everybody's like, yeah, I'm not really interested anymore.

01:45:42.000 The sport's nuts, man.

01:45:43.000 Fucking crazy.

01:45:44.000 The sport's like, fuck you.

01:45:45.000 But for TJ, that's fucking crazy.

01:45:47.000 I mean, the kid was, not only did I, like, and I said this and I meant it wholeheartedly.

01:45:52.000 I said not only did he cement his position as a champion when he beat Hennenborough the second time, but I said he made a very good argument for being one of the best pound-for-pound fighters in the world.

01:46:00.000 I think after that Hennenborough fight, I was thinking he's like top ten, maybe even like top five or six pound-for-pound fighters in the world.

01:46:08.000 Six is tough, but he's top ten for sure.

01:46:10.000 But now it's tough because he lost the decision to Cruz.

01:46:12.000 See, if he beats Cruz, then you go, well, the kid's got a real argument there.

01:46:16.000 He's top five.

01:46:17.000 And he could have beaten him, man.

01:46:19.000 Look, all TJ Dillashaw needed was a few more well-placed leg kicks in that fight.

01:46:25.000 If he had gone and concentrated heavily on that right leg kick, Dominic Cruz had a fucked up foot.

01:46:31.000 Remember he had that plantar fasciitis?

01:46:33.000 Which is brutal.

01:46:34.000 Brutal.

01:46:35.000 And...

01:46:37.000 I mean, it could have easily went that way.

01:46:39.000 He also started planting his feet and digging his toes in.

01:46:43.000 Yeah, he was headhunting.

01:46:45.000 Dominic fucked with his head, man.

01:46:46.000 Dominic got in there deep.

01:46:47.000 I want to see that fight.

01:46:49.000 I want to see TJ and Dominic.

01:46:50.000 Fuck yes.

01:46:51.000 That's what I want to see.

01:46:52.000 But, yeah, I don't know what they're going to do.

01:46:54.000 Who's Dominic going to fight next?

01:46:55.000 Does he have a fight scheduled?

01:46:56.000 No.

01:46:57.000 But they need to fucking do...

01:46:59.000 If TJ wins this, then you go TJ Uriah.

01:47:03.000 Then they need to do DJ vs.

01:47:06.000 Cruz.

01:47:07.000 Or John motherfucking Dodson at 135. John Dodson at 135 is terrifying.

01:47:15.000 He also beat TJ on Ultimate Fighter.

01:47:18.000 He KO'd him.

01:47:18.000 He KO'd him and...

01:47:21.000 He is fast as fuck and lights people on fire at 135. You don't think TJ wins this one and gets a title shot?

01:47:27.000 He might not win this one.

01:47:29.000 Let me tell you something.

01:47:29.000 No, I'm just saying if he does.

01:47:30.000 Yes, he could.

01:47:31.000 He lost to this guy.

01:47:31.000 He could.

01:47:32.000 Or he might have to fight Dodson.

01:47:34.000 If he loses, he's fighting Dodson.

01:47:36.000 What if he wins, he might fight Dodson?

01:47:37.000 Nah, I don't think you do that.

01:47:38.000 Why not?

01:47:39.000 Because if you hate ratings, you gotta go Uriah Faber or Dominic Cruz next.

01:47:44.000 It's TJ. TJ, Uriah Faber is where the money's at.

01:47:48.000 That's the play.

01:47:48.000 What's left for Uriah?

01:47:50.000 Man, that makes me sad.

01:47:51.000 The shit talk wouldn't be so fun.

01:47:52.000 It was so close, though.

01:47:54.000 That makes me sad.

01:47:54.000 Not anymore.

01:47:56.000 Yeah, that makes me sad.

01:47:58.000 It really does.

01:47:58.000 Yeah, it's a bummer.

01:47:59.000 Because when two guys are bros like that, bros before hoes, what happened to that?

01:48:04.000 Nobody says that anymore.

01:48:05.000 No, that's old school, man.

01:48:07.000 I mean, TJ and Uriah were so tight, and TJ's still tight with Chad.

01:48:13.000 Chad and him are still buddies, and Joe as well.

01:48:16.000 They're still buddies.

01:48:17.000 But Uriah, like, he holds a grudge.

01:48:19.000 I think they both do.

01:48:21.000 That's why the fight would make sense.

01:48:22.000 We'd be crunk for it, too.

01:48:24.000 Well, I wonder, like, how much Uriah's got left in the tank.

01:48:27.000 I didn't like the way Dominic was hurting him in that fight.

01:48:29.000 I was like, ooh.

01:48:30.000 Dominic's a fucking monster.

01:48:32.000 He is a monster, but he's never been known to, like, be a knockout artist other than the Mitsugaki fight.

01:48:36.000 He murked Mitsugaki.

01:48:38.000 He smashed that dude.

01:48:39.000 Fucking.

01:48:39.000 But he had Uriah in trouble.

01:48:42.000 In, like, real trouble.

01:48:44.000 And he put Uriah in a defensive shell multiple times.

01:48:48.000 But let me tell you something.

01:48:49.000 This is an unheralded guy.

01:48:51.000 Rafael Sonsal, number three in the world, okay, as far as contenders.

01:48:55.000 TJ's the number one contender.

01:48:56.000 But Rafael, no one's talking about him, man.

01:48:59.000 He's fucking dangerous.

01:49:01.000 So this is a really tough fight for TJ because you got a guy who's already beaten by decision, as questionable as it is, and as close to decision as it is.

01:49:10.000 He's a fucking tough out for anybody, man.

01:49:14.000 Asensile's no joke.

01:49:15.000 And it's not doing TJ any favors.

01:49:17.000 Nope.

01:49:17.000 Like, Asensile, he's number three in the world.

01:49:19.000 No one knows who he is.

01:49:20.000 He's a fucking nightmare, and he's beat him before.

01:49:22.000 Like, it's not doing TJ any favors.

01:49:24.000 Yeah, and it's...

01:49:26.000 It's one of those fights where no one's talking about it, man.

01:49:29.000 How can you?

01:49:30.000 Look at this fucking card.

01:49:31.000 It's tough.

01:49:33.000 It's gonna be a tough card to stand out.

01:49:36.000 Forget about the bonuses.

01:49:37.000 Who's getting a bonus in this fucking card?

01:49:39.000 Those bonuses.

01:49:40.000 There's something about those bonuses that bug me.

01:49:43.000 On UFC 200, it's tough to throw a bonus.

01:49:47.000 But it's just something about it that bugs me.

01:49:49.000 It's like that you're fighting to hope that they decide that you get extra money.

01:49:56.000 And let me tell you something.

01:49:57.000 When you think you're getting it, and then they announce you're not, I felt like crying.

01:50:02.000 When I beat Mitrione, I was the first heavyweight ever in the UFC heavyweight to win by Anaconda Choke.

01:50:11.000 The first in the UFC. They didn't...

01:50:14.000 Did you D'Arce him or Anaconda?

01:50:16.000 D'Arce, sorry.

01:50:16.000 D'Arce.

01:50:17.000 I was like, damn, I'm getting that bonus.

01:50:18.000 I was thinking about how I was spending the money.

01:50:20.000 And you put him to sleep.

01:50:21.000 Sleep, sleep.

01:50:22.000 Sleep, sleep.

01:50:22.000 In the first round.

01:50:23.000 And we were like, oh, you're for sure getting it.

01:50:24.000 Some dude on the undercard won by a guillotine.

01:50:27.000 And they gave it to him.

01:50:29.000 Dude, my feelings were...

01:50:30.000 I was at the press conference.

01:50:31.000 Super sad panda.

01:50:33.000 Like, I lost the fight.

01:50:35.000 I feel like crying.

01:50:36.000 Because 50 G's back, you know, 50 G's, I'm like, damn, son.

01:50:40.000 We're going Sizzla, bitch.

01:50:41.000 We're going Benihanas for everybody here.

01:50:44.000 50,000 is always 50,000.

01:50:46.000 Yeah, I don't care who you are.

01:50:47.000 Yeah, it's always 50 grand.

01:50:48.000 It's a lot of money.

01:50:49.000 But when you're a struggling fighter, 50 G's, you're like, damn, should I buy a Rolls Royce?

01:50:54.000 Should I get that mansion?

01:50:55.000 Like, you don't realize, you know what I'm saying?

01:50:57.000 I'm like, should I buy a place in Naples?

01:51:00.000 We'll see.

01:51:01.000 Let's talk to the financial advisor.

01:51:03.000 This is the one fight where I'm a big fan of TJ as a person.

01:51:07.000 I like that dude a lot.

01:51:08.000 You fucking love him.

01:51:09.000 I love him.

01:51:10.000 So I'm looking at this fight and I'm like, woo, this is a tough fight.

01:51:13.000 This is a very tough fight.

01:51:16.000 That might be one of the more difficult fights to call on the card, but here's the thing.

01:51:21.000 When TJ fought Hafele at Sunsal the first time, he was a very different fighter.

01:51:26.000 Completely different.

01:51:27.000 Pre-Bang Ludwig, who was a different guy.

01:51:29.000 And it was in Brazil.

01:51:31.000 And he barely won.

01:51:32.000 Yeah.

01:51:33.000 Yeah.

01:51:34.000 Tough fight, but Assuncao.

01:51:36.000 Who was Assuncao's last victory?

01:51:37.000 Assuncao needs to trim up that lower region, son.

01:51:40.000 No, no, no.

01:51:40.000 Keep it furry.

01:51:41.000 Keep it furry and stinky.

01:51:42.000 He's got that Brazilian force down there.

01:51:44.000 Furry and stinky.

01:51:45.000 Stanky.

01:51:47.000 Brian Slurway.

01:51:48.000 That's a fucking good win.

01:51:50.000 He beat Carraway.

01:51:51.000 Pedro Munoz.

01:51:52.000 He's a legit win.

01:51:54.000 Yeah, he's no joke, man.

01:51:55.000 He had a lot of time off, though, because of injuries.

01:51:57.000 Yeah, look at that, man.

01:51:58.000 He fought Dillashaw only two fights ago.

01:52:01.000 2013. Crazy.

01:52:03.000 And then his last fight was 2014 against Carraway.

01:52:06.000 Carraway's tough as nails.

01:52:08.000 He beat Vaughn Lee by submission.

01:52:10.000 Vaughn's a good submission guy too.

01:52:11.000 And then a split decision versus TJ, which was the close fight.

01:52:16.000 Unanimous versus Pedro Munoz.

01:52:18.000 And then beat Brian Carraway.

01:52:20.000 Another unanimous decision.

01:52:22.000 But look, October 4th, 2014. Yeah, it was a long time.

01:52:26.000 Long ass fucking time, man.

01:52:27.000 Almost two years.

01:52:28.000 You can see why TJ's a huge favorite.

01:52:30.000 Well, he definitely should be.

01:52:32.000 He should be a favorite.

01:52:33.000 But I can't imagine that Sun Tzu hasn't been, I mean, first of all, got better for sure if he's been training.

01:52:41.000 It's just tough if you're not in there with the lights sizzling hot and the fans shouting.

01:52:46.000 Screaming.

01:52:47.000 Yeah, and he's not going to be in Brazil.

01:52:48.000 Yep.

01:52:49.000 What does that mean?

01:52:50.000 Well...

01:52:51.000 What does it mean?

01:52:52.000 You tell me.

01:52:53.000 What does it mean?

01:52:56.000 What's that face?

01:52:57.000 I don't know, man.

01:52:58.000 You know how it goes down there.

01:52:59.000 If you have a lock on this card, what's the lock?

01:53:03.000 Jon Jones.

01:53:04.000 Really?

01:53:05.000 Yeah.

01:53:05.000 Wow.

01:53:06.000 By far.

01:53:07.000 Wow.

01:53:07.000 I know.

01:53:08.000 It's crazy, right?

01:53:09.000 Interesting.

01:53:09.000 Because you look at, like, you go through it.

01:53:12.000 John's beat DC before.

01:53:14.000 It's pretty easy for him.

01:53:15.000 You look at Lesnar.

01:53:16.000 I do not think it's easy for him at all.

01:53:18.000 Not easy.

01:53:18.000 I'm saying how great John is.

01:53:20.000 Yes.

01:53:22.000 That's my lock, man.

01:53:23.000 Alright?

01:53:23.000 And then Lesnar, Hunt, it's like, I don't fucking know.

01:53:26.000 Hunt, if he gets his ass down, Hunt's in fucking trouble.

01:53:30.000 Big trouble.

01:53:31.000 Big trouble.

01:53:32.000 If Brock just bullies his way in, then blast doubles his ass the next Friday.

01:53:36.000 And then drops those lunch boxes on his head.

01:53:39.000 And Weir's hunt out, so his fucking power's not there.

01:53:43.000 Yeah, so that one, I don't know.

01:53:45.000 They can go either way.

01:53:46.000 And then Tate Nunez, good luck picking that.

01:53:48.000 Aldo Egger, it's basically even money.

01:53:50.000 You don't think Tate is a favorite in Tate Nunez?

01:53:52.000 Oh, she is, for sure.

01:53:54.000 But it's still, it's a tough fight.

01:53:55.000 It's a tough fight to call.

01:53:56.000 It's a tough fight.

01:53:56.000 Nunez can knock out anybody.

01:53:58.000 I really believe that piston right hand that she hit Sarah McMahon with.

01:54:02.000 Woof!

01:54:02.000 And then Misha's a slow starter, so it's a, you know, if she eats one of those huge fucking right hands.

01:54:07.000 And Nunes can grapple, too.

01:54:08.000 She can grapple.

01:54:09.000 She's a black belt.

01:54:09.000 But I still give Misha the advantage on the ground.

01:54:12.000 That's interesting.

01:54:12.000 In wrestling, right?

01:54:14.000 In scrambles.

01:54:14.000 Grappling.

01:54:15.000 Just overall, MMA grappling.

01:54:17.000 Jesus, tough as fucking nails, too, man.

01:54:19.000 Look what she did to Holly.

01:54:20.000 That shit was so impressive, man.

01:54:22.000 Like, she was just waiting for her.

01:54:23.000 Yep.

01:54:24.000 It was so impressive.

01:54:25.000 Very.

01:54:25.000 So that fight's tough to call Aldo Egger.

01:54:27.000 Good luck with that.

01:54:28.000 Good luck with that.

01:54:29.000 Good luck calling that.

01:54:30.000 We don't know who the fuck Aldo is right now.

01:54:32.000 No idea.

01:54:33.000 We really need to find out.

01:54:34.000 He might be on the revenge tour and just murks Frankie.

01:54:37.000 Who knows?

01:54:37.000 And he grabs the mic and calls out Connor.

01:54:39.000 Who knows?

01:54:40.000 But I just don't see him murking Frankie.

01:54:41.000 I don't see anybody at 145 murking Frankie.

01:54:44.000 Nah, me neither, man.

01:54:45.000 I was just trying to create drama here.

01:54:46.000 Yeah, I don't see that, man.

01:54:47.000 I see it.

01:54:47.000 Frankie at 145 is a monster.

01:54:50.000 Yeah, just Merck Chad.

01:54:51.000 And he's just better than ever.

01:54:53.000 Just keeps getting better and better and better.

01:54:55.000 That's where he belongs, though.

01:54:57.000 Yeah.

01:54:57.000 45. Look at his footwork, cardio, everything.

01:54:59.000 He's not even struggling to make 45. He can make 35. He's a 35-er.

01:55:03.000 He is.

01:55:04.000 You look at the size of him in comparison to TJ and a lot of those guys at 35. That's his weight class.

01:55:08.000 I agree.

01:55:09.000 He might eventually go down there too, by the way.

01:55:11.000 He's talked about it.

01:55:12.000 You know fucking Gray Maynard's fighting this week?

01:55:15.000 I think he's fighting featherweight.

01:55:18.000 What?

01:55:18.000 Gray Maynard's fighting at featherweight.

01:55:20.000 Where?

01:55:21.000 Just let that soak in.

01:55:22.000 Where?

01:55:23.000 In the UFC. What?

01:55:27.000 Gray Maynard?

01:55:28.000 Pretty sure.

01:55:29.000 He must be fighting on the undercard of the Friday night fight.

01:55:35.000 Unless this brain trauma kicked in.

01:55:37.000 I'm making shit up now.

01:55:41.000 Nope.

01:55:42.000 Look at that.

01:55:42.000 There he is.

01:55:43.000 Look at that.

01:55:43.000 Gray Maynard is fighting Fernando Bruno.

01:55:47.000 Whoa.

01:55:48.000 That's at featherweight.

01:55:49.000 Wow.

01:55:50.000 That's interesting, man.

01:55:52.000 And he was a huge 55er, like bulk-wise.

01:55:55.000 Yeah.

01:55:56.000 Well, he was carrying way too much meat, for sure.

01:55:59.000 And that was probably a big factor.

01:56:04.000 In a lot of his His decision to get lean was the IV band.

01:56:11.000 Being that big at 155 and having all that bulk on him, he probably decided to lean out, and then as he was leaning out, it was probably like, you know what?

01:56:18.000 With his frame and his power, it might even be better at 145. Just don't carry so much meat.

01:56:24.000 His nickname's the goddamn bully.

01:56:26.000 He was a big 55er.

01:56:27.000 That's because he likes those dogs, those bully dogs.

01:56:30.000 I get it, but still, he's a thick dude.

01:56:32.000 He was a thick dude, but it was all muscle.

01:56:35.000 It's all muscle.

01:56:36.000 Click on his link, please.

01:56:37.000 And then you lose that muscle.

01:56:39.000 Now you're at 45. And really, you know, his chin's been suspect, so he cuts to 45. More than suspect.

01:56:45.000 I mean, look at this.

01:56:46.000 He's lost four in a row.

01:56:48.000 That shit went boom, boom, boom, boom.

01:56:49.000 At least the last one was a decision.

01:56:52.000 His last win was in 2012, sir.

01:56:54.000 I know, and he lost three by KO in a row.

01:56:58.000 Ross Pearson KO'd him, and it was ugly.

01:57:02.000 Nate Diaz beat the fuck out of him.

01:57:05.000 That was a first round KO. And TJ Grant beat the fuck out of him.

01:57:09.000 TJ Grant, here's a guy, about to fight for the title, gets a concussion, has to delay it, and now he works in a mine.

01:57:19.000 He's done.

01:57:19.000 You just ruined my day, sir.

01:57:21.000 I saw him the other day.

01:57:22.000 He was there for someone's fight.

01:57:24.000 I forget who it was.

01:57:25.000 But he looks like he hasn't been training.

01:57:27.000 Looks thick.

01:57:28.000 Like he's just been eating.

01:57:29.000 Thicker than a Snickers?

01:57:30.000 Yeah.

01:57:31.000 Just fucking mining.

01:57:32.000 He is a very skillful guy, too, man.

01:57:34.000 And a smart guy, too.

01:57:35.000 Very smart guy.

01:57:36.000 Well, that's why he's not fighting anymore.

01:57:37.000 You know, he's not a guy who takes concussions lightly.

01:57:41.000 Cesar Ferreira is another guy that looked fucking sensational at one point in his career and has started to fade.

01:57:49.000 One of the biggest freaks I've ever seen inside the gym.

01:57:51.000 Ferreira?

01:57:52.000 Click on that.

01:57:53.000 Fucking freak.

01:57:54.000 Yeah, who did he just lose to?

01:57:56.000 Click on his...

01:57:57.000 This is middleweight, right?

01:57:58.000 Is he fighting middleweight?

01:57:59.000 Yeah.

01:57:59.000 Yeah, he got knocked out his last fight.

01:58:02.000 Who'd he fight?

01:58:05.000 Oh yeah, Bambuse.

01:58:07.000 Oh no, we saw him lose to Masvidal.

01:58:10.000 That's right.

01:58:10.000 Yeah, we saw him lose to Masvidal.

01:58:12.000 He got KO'd.

01:58:13.000 And then Oluwale, Bambuse beat him by decision, but Masvidal KO'd him.

01:58:19.000 Click on watch that.

01:58:20.000 I don't even remember that.

01:58:22.000 Yeah, click on watch.

01:58:24.000 He gets in these slugfests.

01:58:26.000 Does this make us sign up for Fight West?

01:58:27.000 We should be signed up already, no?

01:58:29.000 Boom, son.

01:58:30.000 What's up?

01:58:31.000 We can't show it on the podcast, but we could watch it, right?

01:58:35.000 It's a first-round KO. I just want to see how he knocked him out.

01:58:38.000 I'm telling you, he's so athletic, and he's good at everything.

01:58:42.000 He was tutelage under Anderson Silva for years, then Lyoto Machida, and then Vitor Belfort.

01:58:50.000 Everyone invests all this time in him because he's such a freak.

01:58:52.000 Inside the gym, I was like, I don't see how this dude's ever going to lose.

01:58:55.000 And then he goes on the Ultimate Fighter.

01:58:57.000 He's just a monster.

01:58:59.000 But for a reason, it's just not clicking for him in there right now.

01:59:02.000 Well, he won the Ultimate Fighter.

01:59:04.000 And in the finals, he fought Sergio Moraes, the jiu-jitsu black belt.

01:59:09.000 He's the guy who tapped out...

01:59:12.000 Krohn Gracie in Krohn's first black belt match.

01:59:15.000 Sergio Marais is a beast.

01:59:17.000 He is a world, world-class black belt Brazilian jiu-jitsu.

01:59:22.000 But Marais caught Cesar Ferreira with a hard elbow, I believe, in that fight and had him stunned.

01:59:30.000 Because I remember I watched it.

01:59:31.000 I was in Brazil for that one.

01:59:33.000 There's a couple guys I've trained with, and I'm just like, dude, these guys are gonna take over the world.

01:59:38.000 Todd Duffy?

01:59:40.000 I asked Kane in D.C. because he left our camp and went there.

01:59:43.000 I'm like, how tough is Duffy?

01:59:44.000 They're like, unbelievable, man.

01:59:46.000 How's that?

01:59:47.000 That guy's fucking RoboCop.

01:59:48.000 Maybe he just needs some, like, Vinny Shorman-type mental coaching or something, you know?

01:59:53.000 I mean, there's been guys like that, you know, in football, too.

01:59:56.000 You're like, holy fuck, this guy's gonna rush for 3,000 yards.

01:59:58.000 Then the lights turn on, and it's like, what the fuck happened to him?

02:00:01.000 Well, Duffy's fight against Frank Mir was just real crazy.

02:00:04.000 Like, what a nutty fucking slugfest.

02:00:07.000 Those two said, what?

02:00:08.000 Just, let's go.

02:00:09.000 And to think that Frank Mir decided to fight like that after all these years in the game...

02:00:14.000 All his submission victories, all his crazy fights against world-class fighters, he just said, you know what?

02:00:20.000 Let's fucking throw.

02:00:22.000 He's in love with boxing right now.

02:00:23.000 All he talks about boxing.

02:00:25.000 I'm like, for sure, jump guard.

02:00:26.000 That's so weird, man.

02:00:27.000 So Fajero's trying to pass here.

02:00:30.000 And somehow or another in this fight, he gets knocked out.

02:00:32.000 I don't remember what the time was.

02:00:35.000 There's Vitor in his corner.

02:00:36.000 Yeah.

02:00:38.000 He's bodied up, and he did that capoeira, and he can do it to a T, like a fucking break, just anywhere.

02:00:45.000 Flips, all this crazy.

02:00:46.000 And he's big, too.

02:00:47.000 He's so athletic, man.

02:00:49.000 The nicest guy.

02:00:50.000 If he got his fucking head right, man, I'm telling you, this guy has the skills to do crazy things.

02:00:55.000 You think that's what it is?

02:00:55.000 It's a head thing?

02:00:57.000 100%.

02:00:57.000 Oh, he just got tagged on the break there by...

02:01:02.000 It's a tough fight for him, too, this young in his career.

02:01:05.000 Masvidal is very crisp.

02:01:07.000 He's also a fucking vet.

02:01:09.000 Yeah, very crisp with his striking, though.

02:01:11.000 I'm a big fan of the way he throws punches fast and accurate, but he doesn't load up on anything.

02:01:19.000 I feel like he gets there.

02:01:21.000 Yeah, I feel like, because he has a pro boxing experience, I feel like whenever goes a decision, Masvidal gets fucked.

02:01:28.000 He does get fucked.

02:01:28.000 Every time.

02:01:30.000 He's one of my favorite fighters to watch.

02:01:32.000 He's good at everything.

02:01:33.000 He's very smart.

02:01:34.000 Very smart dude.

02:01:35.000 He was a Kimbo Slice-esque.

02:01:37.000 He used to fight backyard.

02:01:38.000 Yeah, in those early days, man.

02:01:40.000 I watched some of his fights long before he ever came to the UFC. Back when he was fighting Eve Edwards in a bow dog fight.

02:01:46.000 Remember that?

02:01:47.000 Oh, yeah.

02:01:48.000 He caught Eve Edwards with a head kick, knocked him out in Bodog, and I was like, look at this guy.

02:01:52.000 Cain fought in Bodog.

02:01:53.000 Yeah, old school, man.

02:01:54.000 Yeah, so did Chael Sonnen.

02:01:55.000 Fought a guy named Jeremiah Constant.

02:01:57.000 Boom, yeah, Sonnen fought in it, too.

02:01:59.000 Yeah, Bodog had the hottest ring, girls.

02:02:01.000 The past, the Russians, and what the fuck was up?

02:02:04.000 You know Putin had a hand in that.

02:02:07.000 Did he?

02:02:07.000 If I could just get one night with Putin, would we just paint the town red?

02:02:10.000 Do you remember?

02:02:12.000 Or white.

02:02:13.000 Do you remember that Calvin Iyer guy?

02:02:15.000 Icing, icing, icing.

02:02:16.000 What's up?

02:02:16.000 Do you remember that Calvin Iyer guy who owned Bodog?

02:02:19.000 Yes.

02:02:19.000 He was a guy who wasn't even allowed to come back to America because he was involved in internet gambling.

02:02:28.000 Because internet gambling used to be completely legit, but the casinos fucking bribed everybody and went, Fuck!

02:02:35.000 Stop this!

02:02:36.000 Stop it!

02:02:37.000 They ruined what could have been an amazing marketplace.

02:02:41.000 Huge.

02:02:42.000 Amazing.

02:02:43.000 But they wanted to preserve casinos in the United States, and especially when it comes to sports betting and things along those lines.

02:02:49.000 So Calvin Iyer, he got fucked.

02:02:52.000 As did, what's that guy's name?

02:02:54.000 Kevin Trudeau.

02:02:56.000 Remember that guy?

02:02:57.000 That fucking, the ten weight loss secrets that they don't want you to know about.

02:03:01.000 Remember that guy?

02:03:01.000 Yeah.

02:03:02.000 Those late night infomercials.

02:03:04.000 Swindles.

02:03:05.000 Swindle people on weight loss tips.

02:03:06.000 Shit like that.

02:03:07.000 Turned out to all be bullshit.

02:03:09.000 That guy was a swindler.

02:03:10.000 But he got fucked too because he started something called the International Pool Tour.

02:03:14.000 Oh, right hand.

02:03:15.000 That's what it is.

02:03:15.000 Oh, dude.

02:03:17.000 Oh, dude.

02:03:18.000 Masvidal.

02:03:19.000 He's a beast.

02:03:20.000 So, Trudeau started this thing called the International Pool Tour, I think it was, or IPT, International Professional, whatever the fuck it was.

02:03:31.000 But it was a pro pool organization.

02:03:34.000 It spent a ton of money on it.

02:03:36.000 Terrible idea.

02:03:36.000 No, but the idea behind it, well, pool is enormous in Asia, enormous in a lot of Europe.

02:03:46.000 We're good to go.

02:03:49.000 We're good to go.

02:04:01.000 For some poor shit.

02:04:02.000 But of course.

02:04:02.000 But hiding money somewhere.

02:04:04.000 He's one of those dudes that's in jail.

02:04:05.000 And they're like, look, we'll let you out if you tell us where the money is.

02:04:08.000 Fuck you.

02:04:09.000 Hell yeah.

02:04:10.000 You will let me out when you let me out.

02:04:11.000 And then I'm going to go right to that fucking coffee can that I got buried in my backyard.

02:04:15.000 Dude, I felt slimy watching Bodug.

02:04:18.000 You knew there was some weird shit going on.

02:04:20.000 It was so strange, man.

02:04:22.000 I don't think they paid Matt Lindlund.

02:04:25.000 I think Matt Lindlund got fucked, if I remember correctly.

02:04:29.000 Didn't he get paid all that they were supposed to pay him?

02:04:32.000 Because Lindlund was supposed to get like a million bucks to fight Fedor.

02:04:37.000 Remember that?

02:04:38.000 Yeah, I do.

02:04:39.000 Lindlund fought Fedor.

02:04:40.000 And Fedor cheated!

02:04:42.000 Remember that?

02:04:43.000 Lindlund had a body lock on him, was taking him down.

02:04:46.000 Not in here.

02:04:46.000 And Fedor fucking hooked a rope and totally cheated and reversed the position.

02:04:51.000 And then went to work.

02:04:52.000 And then went to work and armbarred him.

02:04:54.000 That's right.

02:04:54.000 Hey, you know, once he went to the ground, he did what he's supposed to do, but he fucking cheated to get there.

02:05:00.000 He definitely cheated.

02:05:01.000 Welcome mother Russia.

02:05:03.000 Hey, and this was when Fedor was Fedor, too.

02:05:05.000 Dude, I used to use Bodog.

02:05:07.000 I used to bet on sports.

02:05:09.000 Really?

02:05:10.000 Yeah.

02:05:11.000 Well, that dude, when he had Bodog fight, he had a giant billboard just outside of Vegas for Bodog fight.

02:05:19.000 And you know what was on the billboard?

02:05:21.000 Him in a suit.

02:05:24.000 These motherfuckers.

02:05:25.000 Persians do it here in Hollywood too.

02:05:27.000 Yeah, but he shouldn't do that.

02:05:28.000 Because first of all, he's already rich as fuck.

02:05:31.000 Trying to get famous, son.

02:05:32.000 How much pussy do you need, dude?

02:05:35.000 You're going to have a surplus of pussy.

02:05:37.000 Then you're going to have problems.

02:05:38.000 Well, he's paying for it now.

02:05:39.000 Plotting against you.

02:05:40.000 The pussy's going to be overflowing left and right.

02:05:42.000 You're not going to be able to keep a hand on it.

02:05:44.000 It's going to get in the way.

02:05:45.000 It's going to get in the way you're thinking.

02:05:46.000 You're going to be like, I know this motherfucker.

02:05:47.000 You got fighters?

02:05:48.000 You got a bunch of fighters in your camp?

02:05:49.000 Guess what?

02:05:50.000 They're fucking all those girls.

02:05:51.000 Correct, sir.

02:05:52.000 Son of a bitch.

02:05:53.000 Correct.

02:05:53.000 What are you doing?

02:05:54.000 You need an advisor.

02:05:55.000 Isn't it weird?

02:05:56.000 Famous guys, well, it's like rich guys want to get famous.

02:05:58.000 Yes, they do.

02:06:00.000 Yeah, a lot of them do.

02:06:01.000 A lot of them do.

02:06:01.000 Same reason why, like, Len Robinson went with Black Zillions to get the stable of fire.

02:06:05.000 You got enough money, what the fuck you doing?

02:06:06.000 Not only that, why did he go on television with his big fat face on the fucking Ultimate Fighter?

02:06:13.000 Fuck it.

02:06:14.000 And where Dan Lambert just lambasted him.

02:06:16.000 Yeah, he did destroy him.

02:06:17.000 Just destroyed, just chewed him apart, and Glenn couldn't say anything.

02:06:20.000 What's he gonna say?

02:06:21.000 He can't, like, Dan could legitimately beat the fuck out of him anytime he wants, like, in real life.

02:06:26.000 So it's like, you can't, there's not a lot of insults.

02:06:29.000 He could lay his way.

02:06:30.000 It's just a bad idea.

02:06:30.000 I mean, just the whole thing.

02:06:32.000 Whose idea was that?

02:06:33.000 Well, I mean, ultimately, it's good for the teams to show, like, who's the better, you know, what's the better team, who's got the better athletes, who's got the better fighters and coaching.

02:06:41.000 Black Zillings won that season, right?

02:06:43.000 Yeah, they did.

02:06:43.000 Yeah, how'd that turn out?

02:06:44.000 Yeah.

02:06:45.000 Bitch is bankrupt now.

02:06:46.000 Yeah.

02:06:47.000 Well, he spent a lot of money to win.

02:06:49.000 What a bad idea, man.

02:06:50.000 It's not a good idea.

02:06:51.000 But Bowdog fight went under, and I don't know why it went under, but the guy was like mocking Dana, and he was like saying at one point in time, you know, that he would like to take Dana with him on his jet-setting lifestyle and show him, you know, invited him to pick him up in his private jet so Dana could see like how he lives.

02:07:09.000 You silly fuck.

02:07:11.000 This is back before the UFC became the UFC in air quotes.

02:07:16.000 It was like $4 billion.

02:07:17.000 Yeah, it was still gross.

02:07:18.000 See, but is that real?

02:07:19.000 I don't know if that's real.

02:07:21.000 There's so much confidentiality.

02:07:22.000 Nobody wants to give me a fucking straight story.

02:07:24.000 I would assume it's real with a smoke, dish, fire.

02:07:27.000 Because it's weird.

02:07:28.000 They offered $4 billion and Dana was like, you offer $4 billion.

02:07:31.000 I think if somebody offers you $4 billion, you've got to say yes.

02:07:35.000 Hell yes.

02:07:36.000 Good luck scratching together $4 billion.

02:07:39.000 Well, there was a number of partners.

02:07:40.000 Yeah, but even then, good luck scratching together $4 billion.

02:07:44.000 That's a lot of money.

02:07:44.000 And, you know, you've got to make sure that everything's in place.

02:07:48.000 I mean, it's a tricky thing.

02:07:52.000 First of all, you'd have to have Dana stay on.

02:07:54.000 You have to have Dana.

02:07:56.000 Without Dana, you don't have the same organization.

02:07:58.000 You're not going to be able to put together the fights the same way.

02:08:01.000 You don't have the same guy doing the press conferences, the same figurehead.

02:08:04.000 It's very important.

02:08:06.000 So then why would you buy it, though?

02:08:07.000 Because anyone with that ego, if they have $4 billion or you get these three mega companies together, buy $3 billion, or $4 billion, they're going to have other ideas for the organization.

02:08:17.000 So you can't buy it and just leave it all the same.

02:08:19.000 You buy it and you give Dana a piece.

02:08:23.000 So not only do you pay him, but you also give him a piece of the new organization so that he can get even stupid richer.

02:08:30.000 You give him a piece, but you're going to have to have someone, like let's say you hire a dude from fucking Apple to come in and run it like a business.

02:08:38.000 That's not going to work.

02:08:39.000 Granted, let's say that's your idea, though.

02:08:41.000 Right.

02:08:41.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:08:42.000 Like, if you're buying it, you're not buying it, like, oh yeah, you just keep doing what you're doing.

02:08:44.000 You're buying it because you have some ideas.

02:08:46.000 Like, you don't become a Jigellaner because you're fucking using someone else's ideas.

02:08:50.000 Right.

02:08:52.000 Yeah, that's true.

02:08:53.000 You must have some ideas, but it's possible that it's an ego purchase, that a bunch of guys got together, wouldn't be awesome if we owned the UFC. And they find, okay, what's the revenue every year?

02:09:02.000 They make X amount per year.

02:09:05.000 So look, if we put together X amount of billions of dollars, they have Fight Pass that brings in a fuckload of money now.

02:09:11.000 Fight Pass has a lot of members, and they're paying, I don't remember how much, I'm a member of Fight Pass, I don't remember how much I pay, but I think it's like nine bucks a month or something like that, does that make sense?

02:09:20.000 For sure give to Joe Rogan for free.

02:09:22.000 I just pay.

02:09:22.000 I pay for a lot of things.

02:09:24.000 I don't mind paying.

02:09:25.000 Yeah, I hear you.

02:09:26.000 I buy my own Onnit supplements.

02:09:29.000 I don't.

02:09:32.000 Well, you're sponsored.

02:09:33.000 Yeah.

02:09:34.000 But I think that if they were smart, they would see that there's a lot of value in it.

02:09:42.000 But is there enough value to come up with $4 billion to pay for it?

02:09:47.000 I think there's one way to look at this where someone might say, alright, they've been running it like the Gula Boys Club.

02:09:56.000 What happens if we did make this a legit league?

02:10:00.000 Like you have a commissioner and you have a fighters union.

02:10:03.000 What if we ran it like that?

02:10:04.000 Oh, you don't want to have a fighters union if you want to make money.

02:10:07.000 I'm just saying.

02:10:09.000 I mean, if you're going to buy it, you have to have a different idea.

02:10:12.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:10:13.000 You can't just run it as it is.

02:10:15.000 Yeah, you can.

02:10:16.000 You could.

02:10:17.000 Let's go for silly purchase.

02:10:18.000 Yeah, you do the exact same thing.

02:10:19.000 And maybe with buying it, you can nullify the Reebok deal.

02:10:25.000 Someone might just fucking hate Reebok.

02:10:27.000 It's like, I'm going to buy it just to get rid of Reebok.

02:10:28.000 Damn it.

02:10:29.000 You just keep doing the same thing.

02:10:30.000 It's not a bad idea.

02:10:32.000 If I had four billion, I might do that shit.

02:10:34.000 I think Reebok might buy it to do that.

02:10:38.000 Going like, what have we done?

02:10:39.000 Can we just get out?

02:10:41.000 Did someone else take this over?

02:10:43.000 Everybody's so mad at us.

02:10:44.000 So mad.

02:10:45.000 We've never had so much hate.

02:10:46.000 We haven't seen a kid in years on the streets.

02:10:49.000 Well, there was issues with the CrossFit folks, too.

02:10:52.000 Really?

02:10:53.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:10:53.000 I know one of the dudes, Andy Stump, was involved in that.

02:10:56.000 The CrossFit organization.

02:10:58.000 Ian Edwards was talking about it.

02:11:00.000 He doesn't even know UFC. He's like, who the fuck is wearing Ray Potts?

02:11:05.000 You know, I beat this Reebok thing to death.

02:11:08.000 I didn't bring it up, but we were talking about Kendrick Lamar.

02:11:10.000 I was like, yeah, he's sponsored by...

02:11:12.000 I was trying to say something positive about Reebok.

02:11:14.000 I'm like, yeah, at least he's sponsored by Reebok with those Reebok classics.

02:11:17.000 He just stops everything.

02:11:18.000 He goes, who the fuck is wearing Reeboks these days?

02:11:21.000 I was dying.

02:11:23.000 Dude, he killed me.

02:11:24.000 I was dying.

02:11:25.000 Ian's hilarious.

02:11:26.000 Smart dude.

02:11:26.000 He's a very smart dude.

02:11:28.000 He's been trying to get me into soccer.

02:11:29.000 We tried so hard.

02:11:31.000 You've got to wait for FIFA. I mean, for the World Cup to really get into it.

02:11:35.000 We tried a few times, man.

02:11:37.000 It's pretty close.

02:11:39.000 It's still going on, too, if you're going to catch the wave.

02:11:43.000 What we're thinking about doing, Jamie, is we're going to do a fight companion.

02:11:47.000 But a game companion.

02:11:49.000 And have Ian and me come down here.

02:11:51.000 I'm going to be.

02:11:52.000 For soccer?

02:11:53.000 I'll just tell you right now.

02:11:53.000 I'm going to be so high.

02:11:54.000 I'm barely going to be able to talk.

02:11:56.000 For me to watch soccer and really appreciate it.

02:11:59.000 I'm a fan, but it is a slow sport, son.

02:12:03.000 For a companion, it'd be tough.

02:12:05.000 I'm going to be sitting up here with these jumbo sprays.

02:12:08.000 What is that?

02:12:10.000 Exactly.

02:12:11.000 Just doing some weird shit.

02:12:13.000 It's the end of the world.

02:12:15.000 Yeah, I don't know.

02:12:16.000 I took ten of these accidentally.

02:12:18.000 Let me see it.

02:12:19.000 Not even accidentally.

02:12:20.000 I did it on purpose.

02:12:21.000 A thousand milligrams of THC. Damn.

02:12:23.000 No worries.

02:12:24.000 No worries.

02:12:28.000 You can go deep.

02:12:30.000 Peppermint spray.

02:12:31.000 It's legit.

02:12:33.000 Gives you minty breath and puts you on Pluto.

02:12:35.000 Yeah, it smells nice.

02:12:36.000 Does.

02:12:36.000 Puts you on Pluto.

02:12:37.000 Right there.

02:12:38.000 You would need that for a soccer companion.

02:12:39.000 Slightly above Pluto.

02:12:40.000 That's not a bad idea.

02:12:41.000 Yeah, you need it.

02:12:42.000 You can't really just go au naturel.

02:12:44.000 You can't.

02:12:45.000 You know, you start freaking out.

02:12:46.000 Even I would do that for a soccer companion.

02:12:48.000 Would you?

02:12:49.000 Yeah, that's a long companion.

02:12:51.000 And there's not a lot of excitement.

02:12:53.000 You like the edibles that go to sleep, right?

02:12:55.000 Yeah.

02:12:56.000 Yeah.

02:12:56.000 A lot of people like those.

02:12:57.000 Well, you know what?

02:12:58.000 Not edibles anymore.

02:12:58.000 The vapor pen to sleep.

02:13:00.000 Oh, really?

02:13:00.000 Edibles were giving me a hand.

02:13:01.000 I almost felt groggy in the morning.

02:13:04.000 Really?

02:13:04.000 Yeah.

02:13:05.000 Huh.

02:13:05.000 Maybe you just went too deep?

02:13:07.000 Maybe.

02:13:07.000 What milligram edibles are you taking?

02:13:09.000 I don't know.

02:13:10.000 Not the Joey Diaz shit.

02:13:11.000 Nobody takes.

02:13:12.000 Literally just one hit from the vapor and I'll sleep like a baby.

02:13:15.000 Yeah, I can't do those.

02:13:16.000 Because I can't shut my mind off.

02:13:17.000 Joey Diaz style ones.

02:13:18.000 Jamie doesn't get affected by them.

02:13:21.000 Jamie, um...

02:13:22.000 Superpowers.

02:13:23.000 He's got superpowers.

02:13:24.000 He's got some super resistance.

02:13:27.000 It's not a good one to have.

02:13:28.000 What a terrible superpower.

02:13:30.000 Edibles, apparently, and this is not uncommon, because Mike Schmidt, who's my guest yesterday, apparently has the same issue.

02:13:36.000 He doesn't...

02:13:37.000 Edibles do not affect him.

02:13:38.000 Mike smokes a lot of weed, so maybe that has something to do with it, but Jamie does not get hot.

02:13:44.000 But you tried Tums.

02:13:45.000 Someone told you...

02:13:46.000 I ate three Tums.

02:13:48.000 And then gave it like a half hour to try to set in and then tried a 150 milligram cookie.

02:13:52.000 Where'd you get the idea of Tom's?

02:13:53.000 Was that on Twitter?

02:13:54.000 I've never heard of it.

02:13:55.000 I've asked lots of people before different potheads, different nutritionists.

02:13:59.000 I think I even asked Rhonda Patrick when she came in one time if she had any idea.

02:14:02.000 You wasted her time.

02:14:04.000 We had five minutes to kill.

02:14:06.000 I figured I'd ask.

02:14:07.000 She was like, what?

02:14:07.000 I know.

02:14:08.000 She might have just said, I have no idea.

02:14:09.000 I don't remember what her answer was, but I've never heard the Tums acid thing with the 11-hydroxymetabolite.

02:14:16.000 Yes.

02:14:17.000 It might have a thing.

02:14:18.000 I also asked my dad, who's been eating it for a long time, since the 60s, 70s.

02:14:22.000 Have your dad been eating high?

02:14:23.000 Yeah.

02:14:24.000 Dad's been going deep.

02:14:26.000 He said it could be from the 70s.

02:14:27.000 The Nixon administration.

02:14:29.000 70s?

02:14:29.000 Goddamn.

02:14:30.000 He's a hippie guy.

02:14:32.000 But his sister, who'd be my aunt, also doesn't have any reaction to it.

02:14:36.000 What a shitty superpower.

02:14:37.000 I don't know if it's a genetic thing.

02:14:38.000 It could be some weird DNA switch that's not on or off.

02:14:41.000 There's no advantage.

02:14:42.000 My mom and my stepdad are in Boulder right now.

02:14:45.000 And, you know, they're retired.

02:14:46.000 They're doing the world tour.

02:14:48.000 They're going everywhere.

02:14:49.000 They live in Mexico, and they travel all over the place.

02:14:53.000 They're living a beautiful life in their retirement.

02:14:55.000 I love it.

02:14:55.000 Anyway, they made my mom wait in the car, because my mom didn't have her license on her.

02:15:00.000 She went to a pot store.

02:15:02.000 They went to a pot store together.

02:15:03.000 In Mexico?

02:15:04.000 No, in Boulder.

02:15:05.000 In Boulder.

02:15:06.000 And my dad went in with my mom, and my mom had to wait in the car.

02:15:09.000 They go, bitch, you gotta get out of here.

02:15:11.000 Really?

02:15:12.000 You don't have your ID. What the fuck?

02:15:14.000 They're so, they're so, even though it's legal, she's in her fucking 60s.

02:15:20.000 And they're like, yeah, no, we don't trust you.

02:15:22.000 You gotta run in tight shit, man.

02:15:24.000 You never know.

02:15:24.000 Isn't that crazy?

02:15:25.000 Like, you don't have, you don't have your ID. So you gotta wait in the car, ma'am.

02:15:29.000 That is weird at 60. She's a grandma.

02:15:32.000 That is weird at 60. I mean, obviously, she's over 21. I've seen them get denied at a liquor store.

02:15:39.000 I get pissed.

02:15:40.000 That's ridiculous, man.

02:15:41.000 It's so funny.

02:15:42.000 I mean, unless you have some crazy disease, it makes you look like your grandma.

02:15:45.000 But even then, if you do, you should let them have their pot and their booze anyway.

02:15:50.000 Can they get shut down, though?

02:15:51.000 Like if someone came and was like, let me see everyone's IDs.

02:15:53.000 Boy, I guess.

02:15:54.000 I mean, I guess you could.

02:15:56.000 But you would have to prove that they weren't the right age.

02:15:59.000 You would have to be selling someone underage.

02:16:02.000 All my mom would have to do is go to her hotel room and go, hey, fucko.

02:16:06.000 I'm 69 years old.

02:16:07.000 Also, no cop's going to be like, ma'am, are you sure?

02:16:10.000 Yeah, they're going to look at her.

02:16:11.000 Sure as fuck not 21. Yeah, she's going to go, whoa, I didn't know.

02:16:15.000 Have you been in some of those weed shops in Denver?

02:16:17.000 It's like the iPad store.

02:16:18.000 It's awesome.

02:16:18.000 It's ridiculous.

02:16:19.000 I'm a big fan of legalization.

02:16:22.000 Obviously.

02:16:22.000 Yeah, obviously.

02:16:25.000 Montana, where I was just at, apparently they just, in August, a new draconian measure kicks in.

02:16:32.000 And they're trying to put the kibosh, all those fucking ranchers and cowboys out there, they're trying to put the kibosh on the...

02:16:39.000 The pot movement out there and what they've done is they put like some heavy restrictions on the amount of people that doctors can prescribe Marijuana to the amount of people that caregivers can prescribe it to or dispense it to like if you're a caregiver you can't just oh like in LA perfect example I have a license I go to a store that might serve fucking a thousand people who knows it might serve more than a thousand you go in there and there's just tons of people all over the place Everybody

02:17:09.000 has prescriptions, and it doesn't matter.

02:17:12.000 But in Montana, they're making it pretty difficult.

02:17:16.000 You better have a legit reason.

02:17:17.000 Yeah, when we were staying, we were staying at this hotel called The Element in Bozeman, and right across the street was this pot shop.

02:17:24.000 And I was looking, and I was like, perfect, right there.

02:17:27.000 And then I'm like, whoa, I wonder what kind of restrictions they have.

02:17:29.000 So then I googled it, and I'm like, oh boy, it's about to come down on them.

02:17:34.000 But the thing with Montana, didn't Denver set the blueprint?

02:17:38.000 People are getting rebates, like tax rebates.

02:17:40.000 Denver's like, we have too much money.

02:17:42.000 We cannot store it.

02:17:43.000 Just give it to the people.

02:17:44.000 These ranchers, they don't even read in the newspaper.

02:17:46.000 They get smoke signals.

02:17:48.000 They're barely paying attention to what's going on in the rest of the free world.

02:17:50.000 Goddammit.

02:17:51.000 I don't know who's doing it.

02:17:52.000 I don't know who's voting.

02:17:53.000 There's just a lot of people that have this idea that pot smokers are dumb and lazy and a problem and they don't understand.

02:18:01.000 There's a lot of pot smokers like you or like me that work hard as fuck and are just adults.

02:18:07.000 And we want to be able to do whatever the fuck we want to do.

02:18:09.000 Don't go to Venice Beach because that ain't going to help you cause anything.

02:18:12.000 One of those doctors, I went in there to talk to one of those doctors, like, this is so fucking shady and everyone in here is a loser.

02:18:18.000 Well, Fitzsimmons was talking to me about the last time he was in Denver.

02:18:20.000 He's like, there's a few too many kids playing hacky sack on the street.

02:18:24.000 Yeah, they have a point there, some, but you can't generalize everybody.

02:18:28.000 Well, when you get a place like Denver, the problem is...

02:18:31.000 It becomes a magnet to people that are attracted by legalization.

02:18:35.000 A lot of those people are, they're listless or drifters.

02:18:39.000 Sure.

02:18:39.000 Or they're people that are, they're, they're like, this is going to be the place where I could be me, man.

02:18:45.000 Whereas if it was legal everywhere, they would stay where they are.

02:18:48.000 Yeah, they just got to chill.

02:18:49.000 Yeah, they wouldn't have to go somewhere to get pot.

02:18:52.000 So if you, if you're like, you should keep the natural ecosystem of losers in all their natural environments.

02:18:58.000 But when you have one place and it's the only place where they can get pot.

02:19:01.000 Them bitches are all over Denver and Venice.

02:19:03.000 I wish there was a way you could give people an understanding of what motivation and discipline can reward you with.

02:19:12.000 Like, I really do.

02:19:13.000 What do you mean?

02:19:13.000 Understanding?

02:19:14.000 You don't think social media, Instagram, and seeing you commentating stuff like that does that for people?

02:19:20.000 Um, maybe to some.

02:19:22.000 Like in what sense, Joe?

02:19:23.000 But I mean, some people that are just like, say, let's put it this way.

02:19:25.000 Say if you had a kid, obviously you do have a kid, but say if you had like a 20-year-old and he's just a fucking doper, where he wake and bakes and doesn't get anything done, he's just always like hanging out with his friends and playing video games, and he's just a fucking loser.

02:19:39.000 I wish there was a way...

02:19:43.000 You could show someone like that.

02:19:45.000 I know that you're getting some comfort and satisfaction out of just laying around, doing nothing, eating, getting fat.

02:19:51.000 But your life would feel better and richer if you had a goal.

02:19:56.000 You chased that goal.

02:19:57.000 You accomplished some things.

02:19:58.000 You would get this boost of confidence.

02:20:00.000 You'd get this boost of self-esteem.

02:20:02.000 Whatever it is that you're into doing.

02:20:03.000 Maybe you're into drawing comic books.

02:20:05.000 Maybe you're into...

02:20:06.000 No, but making fucking pottery or sculptures, but find whatever the fuck that is and pursue that instead of doing nothing.

02:20:14.000 Like, the people that are doing nothing, those are the real people.

02:20:17.000 Look, doing something might be as simple as, like, that Alex Honnold guy.

02:20:22.000 He just climbs rocks, but he's a world-class rock climber.

02:20:26.000 It's something, though.

02:20:26.000 It's something.

02:20:26.000 And it's also a goal of his, and he's also the best at it, right?

02:20:30.000 Yes, yeah.

02:20:31.000 But those people who smoke pot all day, those are also the guys who hate on Joe Rogan for being in shape.

02:20:36.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:20:36.000 Or being disciplined.

02:20:37.000 Or get on Kevin Hart's Instagram and hate on him.

02:20:40.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:20:40.000 Because they don't...

02:20:41.000 It's their own insecurities.

02:20:43.000 I see what you're saying.

02:20:45.000 But I would assume they would get motivated by seeing other people do something with their lives.

02:20:51.000 Like, that should be motivating, not...

02:20:53.000 Yeah, but if you grew up with losers and you're around a bunch of people with shitty attitudes, especially if it's in your household, I was very lucky that both my mom and my stepdad, they're the least hater people I've ever met in my life.

02:21:08.000 They're just not haters in any way.

02:21:10.000 Like, if someone's doing well, they're always like, wow, look at this guy, or like, wow, look at her, or wow, look at him.

02:21:16.000 There was never any hate in my house.

02:21:18.000 In terms of other people's success.

02:21:21.000 But if you grew up with a dad, and your dad's like, yeah, these fucking, all these rich assholes, this fucking pussy, he thinks she's a badass, and this fucking, you know, there's people that look at other people's success instead of saying, wow, that guy did a lot of work.

02:21:34.000 Like, the way, I'm a successful person, but the way I look at Kevin Hart, he exhausts me.

02:21:40.000 Or The Rock.

02:21:41.000 Those guys exhaust me.

02:21:42.000 I'm like, Jesus Christ.

02:21:43.000 I feel lazy next to those guys.

02:21:45.000 They do so much.

02:21:46.000 Those guys are so overbearingly ambitious.

02:21:52.000 But some people, they see that and they compare themselves and they don't like it, so they start getting really shitty.

02:21:58.000 And it's like a natural feeling to try to chip away at that person.

02:22:01.000 Fuck that little Kevin Hart.

02:22:03.000 I'll fucking smack him in his mouth.

02:22:04.000 I see him.

02:22:05.000 First of all, he's not fucking funny.

02:22:06.000 And you see the mean, nasty shit that people say to him.

02:22:10.000 He went back and forth with some woman on Instagram saying that his girlfriend is only with him for his money.

02:22:18.000 It's hilarious.

02:22:21.000 It's amazing that he decided to engage.

02:22:24.000 He just got done running and he's doing all that run.

02:22:26.000 I just bought his shoes, by the way.

02:22:28.000 He has his own shoes.

02:22:29.000 His own Nike shoes.

02:22:30.000 I'm like, I gotta support that.

02:22:31.000 I need a new trainer, so I bought them.

02:22:33.000 Jesus Christ.

02:22:34.000 Don't even pull up a picture of those, you son of a bitch.

02:22:36.000 Look at him.

02:22:36.000 Jamie got all excited.

02:22:37.000 They're dope, though.

02:22:38.000 They're dope.

02:22:38.000 Okay, let me see.

02:22:39.000 They have his motivational quotes on them.

02:22:42.000 No!

02:22:42.000 I was like, I have to support this.

02:22:44.000 You got to.

02:22:44.000 That's hilarious.

02:22:44.000 A guy doing his fucking thing.

02:22:46.000 But, yeah, he's talking about he's on there, and he's like, the only reason, because it was a picture of his fiancée or something like that.

02:22:52.000 It's like, the only reason why she's with you is because you're famous and because of your money.

02:22:56.000 Look at that.

02:22:56.000 Look at that shit.

02:22:57.000 Health is wealth.

02:22:58.000 Wait a minute, that's not his saying.

02:23:00.000 Yeah, it is, dawg.

02:23:01.000 Aspire.

02:23:02.000 Work.

02:23:03.000 Hustle hard.

02:23:04.000 Hustle hard.

02:23:04.000 Yeah, all over his shoes.

02:23:06.000 You can see my ass on Instagram just doing work and those things.

02:23:08.000 They are Kevin Hart shoes.

02:23:10.000 It says hustle heart on the tongue.

02:23:12.000 That's hilarious.

02:23:14.000 Inside it says Kevin Hart.

02:23:15.000 That's hilarious.

02:23:16.000 How can you not appreciate that?

02:23:17.000 You gotta appreciate what he's doing.

02:23:18.000 I mean, all over the fucking shoes.

02:23:20.000 I mean, look, if anybody gets those and it makes them work a little bit harder and they achieve...

02:23:25.000 More success because of that?

02:23:27.000 Fuck yeah.

02:23:27.000 Good for them.

02:23:28.000 Yeah, I just support him.

02:23:29.000 It's legit.

02:23:30.000 He's doing box jumps and shit.

02:23:31.000 Look at him there.

02:23:32.000 There you go.

02:23:32.000 He's creating this huge movement, man.

02:23:34.000 Any town he goes into, he does all these 5Ks and 10Ks and all that shit.

02:23:37.000 It's pretty cool.

02:23:37.000 He's a smart dude, man.

02:23:39.000 He's smart.

02:23:39.000 He's motivated.

02:23:40.000 He's positive.

02:23:41.000 You gotta love it.

02:23:42.000 I just had a talk with a mutual friend of ours where We were talking about work, and I said, it's all relative, because you look at, and I used you, I used a bunch of guys who are in the same field, and it's like, you look at the amount of work they're doing compared to what you're doing,

02:23:58.000 and it's just, I mean, work, man?

02:24:01.000 Like, I think our definition of work is completely different.

02:24:04.000 Because I think someone might look at Joe Rogan and say, all right, he sold out this theater, he's doing this UFC thing, but you didn't start there.

02:24:11.000 Like, it's overwhelming if you look at the huge picture of the body of work of a guy who's successful, but he started just like you did somewhere, man.

02:24:20.000 Right.

02:24:20.000 But people see that and they just get shut down because it's too much of a hill to climb.

02:24:23.000 Yeah, they look at it in terms of like, I will never sell out 50,000 people in Philadelphia like Kevin Hart did.

02:24:30.000 So fuck this.

02:24:31.000 Kevin didn't start there though.

02:24:32.000 Kevin started just like you did.

02:24:33.000 Didn't have shit.

02:24:35.000 Yep.

02:24:35.000 He is just a guy that is just on fire with his energy and his power.

02:24:42.000 He's just got a lot of passion and drive.

02:24:45.000 He just goes.

02:24:47.000 And he also...

02:24:48.000 He reiterates that work ethic, reiterates it all the time.

02:24:51.000 I work hard.

02:24:52.000 You know, you go to his Twitter account and it says like, my name's Kevin Hart and I work hard.

02:24:56.000 That's like a big part of who he is.

02:24:59.000 So I think, you know, some people just, they don't understand that if you just keep doing that, it does pay off.

02:25:06.000 And so they just get overwhelmed.

02:25:08.000 And again, they start hating.

02:25:10.000 It's over.

02:25:10.000 It's hating.

02:25:11.000 When I was listening to the Joe Schilling podcast, he just came off that loss.

02:25:16.000 I text you and I meant to call him, but he was focused on it and he's given that power.

02:25:22.000 It's like, Joe, you're doing great shit, man.

02:25:24.000 Anyone who's doing successful stuff, even though you lost, you're still one of the baddest men on the planet.

02:25:29.000 You mean the baddest men?

02:25:29.000 The hecklers and the haters.

02:25:31.000 It comes with the territory, man.

02:25:34.000 If you weren't doing shit, they're not going to hate on you.

02:25:37.000 So giving them power and acknowledging that, you're going to deal with that whether you won or lost, man.

02:25:42.000 It comes with the territory.

02:25:44.000 Yeah, it's just one of those things.

02:25:47.000 Especially because he's this powerful guy, this wild-ass kickboxer, who winds up losing.

02:25:52.000 So it's an opportunity for the losers to feel like they're more of a winner than him because they didn't get knocked out.

02:25:58.000 Yeah, I meant to reach out, don't I forget.

02:26:01.000 He's fine.

02:26:02.000 He took it way better than he did the last fight.

02:26:06.000 The last fight, he lost the same dude.

02:26:09.000 It was a lot tougher for him.

02:26:10.000 Yeah.

02:26:11.000 Yeah.

02:26:12.000 He gave a great point, though.

02:26:13.000 He was saying, like, that's his fighting style.

02:26:15.000 He likes to go out on his shield.

02:26:17.000 There's guys like that, man.

02:26:18.000 Well, he does, man.

02:26:20.000 I mean, that is how he fights every single fight.

02:26:22.000 He fights like a wild man.

02:26:23.000 It's his shit.

02:26:25.000 You know, there's a reason why he's one of the best in the world.

02:26:29.000 He's an exciting guy to watch.

02:26:30.000 I mean, if you're looking for a guy to be the brand name or the figurehead for your organization for Bellator Kickboxing, you want an exciting guy, that's your fucking guy, man.

02:26:42.000 He's your guy.

02:26:43.000 Yeah.

02:26:44.000 And the thing about Joe is he's not allowed...

02:26:48.000 Flashy guy like he's almost I mean, he's a quiet like introverted type of dude.

02:26:53.000 You have a conversation with him You know I'm saying yeah in a lot of ways.

02:26:55.000 Yeah.

02:26:56.000 He really is.

02:26:56.000 He's like a reserved dude.

02:26:58.000 So is Kevin Ross Kevin Ross another good example of a great really example of a guy who would be a great like you know I keep saying figurehead, but what would it be?

02:27:11.000 Spokesperson or an example of a championship caliber fighter that you would admire.

02:27:16.000 And Kevin fights very technical.

02:27:19.000 He's a really interesting guy to watch.

02:27:21.000 I really like the way he fights.

02:27:23.000 I like the way he puts combinations together.

02:27:24.000 Very diverse attacks.

02:27:28.000 He mixes things up and twists things around on you.

02:27:31.000 He switches up his speed of his attack.

02:27:35.000 The thing that would have to happen for Bellator, but kickboxing in general, especially Joe Schilling, is they just need to tell us stories where people are invested.

02:27:44.000 Because his story's fucking cool, and he's a good guy to get to know.

02:27:48.000 But that story's just not getting out there.

02:27:50.000 They also have to change the name.

02:27:52.000 Bellator.

02:27:53.000 Get out of here with that.

02:27:54.000 It's not helping.

02:27:55.000 Enough.

02:27:56.000 It's not helping.

02:27:57.000 You tried it.

02:27:57.000 You tried it forever.

02:27:58.000 It's probably holding you back.

02:27:59.000 You don't think they're in too deep?

02:28:02.000 No!

02:28:04.000 No!

02:28:05.000 What would you call it?

02:28:06.000 Spike kickboxing.

02:28:08.000 Spike MMA. But then Spike owns your kickboxing.

02:28:11.000 Spike owns it.

02:28:12.000 Tough shit.

02:28:12.000 Spike owns it already.

02:28:13.000 Well, no.

02:28:14.000 Bellator's a separate idea.

02:28:16.000 Okay, MMA on Spike.

02:28:18.000 But then Spike owns it.

02:28:19.000 It's just MMA. You're gonna have to do something like the UFC does, right?

02:28:23.000 Like Ultimate Fighting Championship, like NFL, NBA. Viacom MMA. No, no.

02:28:31.000 I just think the name is too dumb.

02:28:33.000 It's tough.

02:28:34.000 It's a tough sell.

02:28:35.000 It's dumb.

02:28:36.000 Did you like Strike Force?

02:28:37.000 It's better.

02:28:38.000 What?

02:28:39.000 Strike Force sounds ridiculous.

02:28:41.000 Strike Force!

02:28:43.000 Strike Force Elite.

02:28:45.000 Sounds like a jet.

02:28:46.000 It's silly as fuck.

02:28:47.000 Combo Battalion.

02:28:49.000 Yeah, it's a dumb name too.

02:28:51.000 You're right.

02:28:52.000 Yeah, they all suck.

02:28:53.000 UFC's the best.

02:28:54.000 By far.

02:28:55.000 It's the best name.

02:28:56.000 Ultimate Fighting Championship Dream.

02:28:58.000 Pride was a gangster.

02:29:00.000 Pride was an amazing organization.

02:29:02.000 But if you walk around with a fist that says Pride on it, people don't know any better.

02:29:09.000 I used to have a Pride shirt.

02:29:10.000 I'm like, I can't wear that anymore.

02:29:12.000 It's not relevant anymore.

02:29:14.000 Well, I see people with Pride shirts on.

02:29:17.000 I give them fist bumps.

02:29:18.000 Because you're balls deep in MMA. Go down West Hollywood with a Pride shirt on.

02:29:22.000 Pride never die.

02:29:24.000 You know what I love most about Pride?

02:29:26.000 I watched it purely as a fan.

02:29:29.000 Not just most because they had some of the greatest fights of all time, but also because I got to enjoy it purely as a fan.

02:29:36.000 Never called any of those fights.

02:29:37.000 Never was there live.

02:29:39.000 Wasn't invested, really.

02:29:40.000 You're just a super fan of it.

02:29:41.000 I just got to enjoy it.

02:29:43.000 Just to enjoy it.

02:29:44.000 Pure.

02:29:44.000 And I think that's why we put on a pedal stool.

02:29:46.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:29:48.000 It's pride.

02:29:50.000 You weren't breaking it down.

02:29:52.000 When it was coming up, I was just a fucking fan.

02:29:55.000 I had a Crow Cop shirt and I was watching that shit.

02:29:58.000 Just enjoying the whole aspect.

02:29:59.000 Do you remember watching some of them live?

02:30:02.000 Where you had to get up at fucking 3 o'clock in the morning?

02:30:04.000 Fuck it!

02:30:07.000 Because they were from Japan?

02:30:08.000 It's so ridiculous, yeah.

02:30:10.000 And then I remember being at the one in Vegas, the first time I ever came here, when Fader fought Coleman.

02:30:15.000 And I was just blown.

02:30:16.000 I had this shitty suit on.

02:30:17.000 I don't know why I was wearing a suit.

02:30:18.000 I had a shitty suit on, shitty haircut.

02:30:21.000 It was just, like, memorized by everyone.

02:30:23.000 Mesmerized, not memorized.

02:30:25.000 Oh, my God.

02:30:26.000 I remember I saw Phil Barone and I thought it was fucking Will Smith.

02:30:30.000 Right.

02:30:31.000 And he was a straight dick to me.

02:30:32.000 Was he?

02:30:33.000 Yeah.

02:30:33.000 I was.

02:30:34.000 Yeah, because I was with my buddy Klopp.

02:30:36.000 I'm like, oh, let's get a picture of Phil Barone, the New York badass.

02:30:40.000 Which is ridiculous.

02:30:42.000 I'm all, Phil, can I get a pic?

02:30:43.000 He turns around, he is, eh, juice to the gills.

02:30:46.000 Like, just fucking, what?

02:30:48.000 He's like, you should call me a prick?

02:30:49.000 I'm like, no, no, no.

02:30:51.000 I was so intimidated.

02:30:52.000 I said, pic?

02:30:53.000 He goes, yeah, let's do it.

02:30:55.000 Took the picture.

02:30:56.000 He's not even looking at the camera.

02:30:57.000 He's checking out some girl walking by.

02:30:59.000 It's just like this shitty picture.

02:31:02.000 I watched that Dave Manet fight the other day when he knocked out Dave Manet.

02:31:06.000 Oh, dude.

02:31:07.000 What a combination.

02:31:09.000 He like pinned him up against the cage.

02:31:12.000 He was unconscious and he's keeping him up with punches.

02:31:14.000 With punches.

02:31:15.000 He hit him with like four or five ridiculously hard punches in a row while he was out and he's standing up.

02:31:22.000 Phil Barone.

02:31:25.000 Remember when he knocked out Amar Suluev?

02:31:27.000 That badass Russian dude who wound up being like a hitman?

02:31:30.000 Oh yeah!

02:31:31.000 That guy just died.

02:31:33.000 From cancer.

02:31:35.000 In the pokey.

02:31:36.000 In Russia.

02:31:38.000 Yeah.

02:31:39.000 But there was some rumor that he was some hitman.

02:31:43.000 That he had turned to a life of...

02:31:46.000 I feel like every Russian guy would hear that story.

02:31:48.000 Remember Fedor's brother?

02:31:49.000 It was like the tattoo on his back is Grim Reaper because he kills people in Russia.

02:31:53.000 Grim Reaper holding a baby.

02:31:55.000 The most intense tattoo of all time.

02:31:58.000 Yeah, that was the most intense tattoo.

02:32:00.000 Grim Reaper holding a baby.

02:32:02.000 And he had some Russian mob shit that was tattooed on his chest and his shoulders.

02:32:07.000 Didn't he have a tramp stamp too of a Russian mob?

02:32:09.000 Yeah, look at that.

02:32:10.000 Terrible baby.

02:32:11.000 What in the fuck is that?

02:32:13.000 Worst artwork ever.

02:32:14.000 That's all Russian prison shit.

02:32:16.000 Please don't kill me.

02:32:17.000 But he had some shit on his front shoulders.

02:32:18.000 That guy's in jail now.

02:32:20.000 Yeah, he's in prison, right?

02:32:21.000 Yeah, he's in jail.

02:32:23.000 So those things on his...

02:32:24.000 See, those, he covered up the shit that was there to make that.

02:32:30.000 Damn, he has that...

02:32:31.000 But they have those all marked up, those numbers, those numbers that indicate in that photo, that's like indicating all the different tattoos.

02:32:39.000 Go above, far to the left.

02:32:41.000 The third one.

02:32:42.000 Right there.

02:32:43.000 Is that a prison shot?

02:32:43.000 See, that shows like what he got tattooed.

02:32:47.000 I guess it doesn't.

02:32:49.000 That just shows he's got a horse on his chest.

02:32:51.000 He's got terrible tattoos.

02:32:55.000 But he's...

02:32:57.000 That dad bod for that photo shoot.

02:32:59.000 See, that's what he used to have.

02:33:00.000 See those things?

02:33:01.000 Those stars?

02:33:03.000 Apparently those things have something to do with the Russian mob or organized crime or something.

02:33:08.000 So he had them covered over with those designs.

02:33:11.000 See, that's the original ones there.

02:33:14.000 And now they're those weird designs.

02:33:16.000 Must be some serious shit if you had to cover him up where Pride was like, yo man, we gotta cover these up.

02:33:20.000 I don't think Pride wanted him to do it.

02:33:22.000 I think, you know, he probably just reached a turning point in his life where he's like, okay.

02:33:26.000 But you don't get out, though.

02:33:29.000 I don't know.

02:33:30.000 I mean, he's in prison, so...

02:33:31.000 Dude, what's he in prison for?

02:33:32.000 Do we know?

02:33:32.000 I believe it's rape.

02:33:35.000 But of course.

02:33:37.000 But of course.

02:33:39.000 God damn it.

02:33:41.000 Yeah.

02:33:42.000 Yeah, who knows?

02:33:43.000 You hear about Ryan Jimmel, man?

02:33:44.000 Fuck!

02:33:45.000 Isn't that horrible?

02:33:46.000 What a great guy he was.

02:33:48.000 Great guy.

02:33:49.000 Apparently got hit by a car, got out to check the damage, and whoever hit him ran him over.

02:33:54.000 See, I heard something else.

02:33:56.000 Maybe I'm off.

02:33:57.000 Do you know Jim?

02:33:57.000 I heard he had an altercation inside like a bar.

02:34:01.000 Then it continued outside and the dude was in a monster truck, like just a truck lifted.

02:34:07.000 And Jim owned him where he was the guy who hit him was in his truck.

02:34:10.000 Then he backed up and ran over Ryan and then drove off.

02:34:14.000 Maybe that's true.

02:34:15.000 I heard, you know, right after it happened, I read about it online.

02:34:20.000 Someone, I think I saw on Twitter, RIP Ryan Jimmo, and I was like, no!

02:34:25.000 I know, man.

02:34:26.000 I couldn't believe it.

02:34:28.000 I went, no!

02:34:28.000 And then I saw some reports, and I think they probably didn't have all the data.

02:34:36.000 Here it goes.

02:34:37.000 34-year-old Jim was involved in a verbal altercation with two suspects before he was hit by the vehicle.

02:34:41.000 Two men in the truck, identified as Anthony Getchel and Jordan Wagner, immediately fled the scene soon after, but were eventually arrested less than a week after the incident.

02:34:53.000 They were subsequently charged with second-degree murder and accessory after the fact to the murder, respectively.

02:35:00.000 Ah, fuck.

02:35:01.000 Jim had just proposed to her, and they're on their way home from the movies.

02:35:05.000 Truck began tailgating them.

02:35:07.000 Oh, God.

02:35:08.000 I think our stories combined make this thing.

02:35:09.000 Yeah.

02:35:10.000 So we took a left to let them go by, and now they're both, okay, what's going on?

02:35:15.000 First ride at the parking lot, no clue where we were at.

02:35:18.000 These guys pulled up real close behind Ryan, almost as if they were going to hit us.

02:35:21.000 We both felt nervous.

02:35:23.000 Ryan felt the need to do something because we didn't want them following us out of there.

02:35:26.000 It was kind of scary.

02:35:28.000 Something not right.

02:35:30.000 Wow.

02:35:30.000 To talk to them.

02:35:31.000 They were not nice guys when I came to get back.

02:35:33.000 They said something else.

02:35:34.000 He went back to talk to them.

02:35:36.000 Jesus Christ.

02:35:37.000 After the conversation, two men hit Joe and sped off.

02:35:40.000 Fuck, man.

02:35:42.000 Jesus Christ.

02:35:44.000 Yeah, you know what, man?

02:35:45.000 People are fucking crazy.

02:35:47.000 You never know.

02:35:48.000 You never know.

02:35:49.000 You just, for whatever reason, you cut somebody off and they're on meth and they just decide to run you over.

02:35:55.000 She holds no hatred towards the men that killed Jimmo and is merely trying to remain positive through her moments of grief.

02:36:01.000 Good for you, girl.

02:36:02.000 Good luck with that.

02:36:04.000 Wow, that's crazy.

02:36:05.000 What a shitty situation, man.

02:36:08.000 Wow.

02:36:09.000 Boy.

02:36:11.000 That's heavy.

02:36:13.000 You know, decisions that you make in this life.

02:36:16.000 And that's a big one that people make is fucking hostility behind the wheel.

02:36:21.000 But I see it all the time.

02:36:22.000 I was watching these guys real recently just screaming and yelling at each other in their car.

02:36:26.000 I'm like, this could easily end up in death.

02:36:28.000 I've got to get the fuck out of here.

02:36:30.000 These guys could easily get out and shoot each other or stab each other.

02:36:32.000 See, I just assume they have guns.

02:36:35.000 Which might be a weird way to look at it, but it's a safe way.

02:36:38.000 Like, literally last night when we were driving through Venice, July 4th, The light turned, like, yellow.

02:36:43.000 You know, it's busy.

02:36:44.000 So, like, I'm in the way of them going the other way.

02:36:46.000 And this dude's just like, move out the fucking way, idiot.

02:36:49.000 And the people in the car, even my girl's like, what do you want me to do?

02:36:53.000 You want me to yell back at them?

02:36:55.000 For what?

02:36:55.000 I don't give a fuck.

02:36:57.000 Like, who cares?

02:36:58.000 Yeah, let them yell.

02:36:58.000 Who cares, man?

02:37:00.000 You never know.

02:37:01.000 I mean, it's not hard to get a gun.

02:37:02.000 It's definitely not hard to get a gun here in Los Angeles.

02:37:05.000 Plus, if it's a little guy barking, there's a reason why he has that confidence.

02:37:09.000 Well, usually they're just stupid.

02:37:10.000 True.

02:37:11.000 But it's possible that he has a gun, too.

02:37:14.000 But all the things like what we were talking about, the difference between being in a community where there's less people and people value people versus being in...

02:37:23.000 But then again, Jimmo lives up in Edmonton.

02:37:26.000 That's not a crowded place.

02:37:27.000 I mean, Edmonton's a city.

02:37:29.000 Big city.

02:37:30.000 There's a pretty good amount of people up there, but it's not like Los Angeles.

02:37:33.000 But you know what?

02:37:34.000 A lot of people are drunk, and they're doing drugs, and there's all sorts of shit going on that's clouding your judgment.

02:37:42.000 It's just sad.

02:37:43.000 Yeah, that's a bummer, man.

02:37:44.000 Yeah, he was a good guy, too.

02:37:46.000 Really good guy.

02:37:46.000 Very, very friendly guy.

02:37:47.000 Fun fighter to watch, too.

02:37:49.000 Yeah.

02:37:50.000 I think Burt Watson was the one who wrote RIP Jim.

02:37:54.000 I was looking at Burt because I follow Burt on Twitter.

02:37:56.000 Really?

02:37:56.000 Yeah.

02:37:57.000 What's Burt doing just to switch it up?

02:37:59.000 He's doing what he used to do with some other organizations.

02:38:03.000 Oh, is he?

02:38:03.000 Yeah.

02:38:03.000 He's still doing that.

02:38:04.000 Yeah.

02:38:05.000 Yeah.

02:38:07.000 That's a guy I miss.

02:38:08.000 I miss that dude.

02:38:09.000 Burt was the man.

02:38:10.000 Yeah.

02:38:10.000 Well, he still is the man.

02:38:11.000 He's just the man somewhere else other than the UFC. True, but you don't see him anymore.

02:38:17.000 Stitch is back, right?

02:38:18.000 Is he?

02:38:19.000 I think so in the UFC, right?

02:38:21.000 Am I going crazy?

02:38:22.000 I saw him at that Bellator.

02:38:23.000 Me and him had a great combo.

02:38:24.000 And he said he's back in the UFC? I thought I saw him.

02:38:28.000 That would be nice if he was.

02:38:29.000 I watched so many fights.

02:38:30.000 It could have been Bellator or UFC. Well, whatever reason he was in the UFC was ridiculous.

02:38:35.000 He criticized the Reebok deal.

02:38:37.000 Just like we just did.

02:38:39.000 And I'm out of the UFC. What are you going to do?

02:38:44.000 What are you going to do?

02:38:46.000 I don't have a stake in the game anymore.

02:38:49.000 We're out of time here.

02:38:50.000 What?

02:38:50.000 It's 4.30 already.

02:38:51.000 Damn, that was fast, son.

02:38:52.000 We actually talked about the fights, though.

02:38:54.000 We did.

02:38:55.000 People didn't think we were going to.

02:38:56.000 It started off, we started off a little shaky.

02:38:59.000 Well, you had me rattled before with the stuff that you were telling me before we started.

02:39:03.000 I started off a little bummed out.

02:39:05.000 I'm sorry, man.

02:39:06.000 And we ended bummed out.

02:39:08.000 Fuck, man!

02:39:09.000 We ended with Jimmo.

02:39:10.000 Well, rest in peace, Ryan Jimmo.

02:39:12.000 You were a great man.

02:39:13.000 Love you, buddy.

02:39:16.000 Yeah.

02:39:17.000 Life goes on.

02:39:18.000 It's hard.

02:39:19.000 I was going to promote a live show.

02:39:20.000 You just can't.

02:39:21.000 No, do it.

02:39:22.000 Promote it.

02:39:22.000 When is it?

02:39:23.000 Fire and the Kid live in Phoenix, Arizona.

02:39:25.000 You going to get Brian Callen's show up for this?

02:39:27.000 July 29th and 30th.

02:39:28.000 Brian might be there.

02:39:29.000 He's gonna be there.

02:39:30.000 He'll be there.

02:39:30.000 I hear he's gonna be there.

02:39:31.000 I'll slap him.

02:39:32.000 Are you guys doing Phoenix Live?

02:39:34.000 Yeah.

02:39:34.000 LA Live, whatever it is?

02:39:35.000 Yeah, Phoenix Live.

02:39:36.000 That's a great fucking club.

02:39:37.000 Oh, yeah.

02:39:38.000 I'm excited for it, man.

02:39:39.000 It's fantastic.

02:39:39.000 One show on the 29th, one show on the 30th.

02:39:41.000 Beautiful.

02:39:42.000 tfatk.com.

02:39:43.000 Glorious.

02:39:44.000 Tomorrow night, I'm at the Ice House with Greg Fitzsimmons, Tony Hinchcliffe, Duncan Trussell and Ian Edwards.

02:39:54.000 Whoa!

02:39:55.000 Damn!

02:39:55.000 Whoa!

02:39:56.000 And then Friday night, I'm at the Ka Theater at the MGM with Ian Edwards and Joey.

02:40:02.000 Motherfucking Diaz.

02:40:04.000 And we'll be back tomorrow with Milo Yiannopoulos.

02:40:09.000 So until then, go fuck yourself.

02:40:12.000 All right.

The Joe Rogan Experience - July 05, 2016

Joe Rogan Experience #819 - Brendan Schaub

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