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00:00:17.000No, but may I? Stevia's good, yeah, please.
00:00:20.000It's stronger than sugar, so don't put it in like you would do sugar, but it's completely natural, available everywhere, all sorts of health food stores and Whole Foods carries it.
00:02:40.000If you like them, if they've done something for you and you're cheering for them, then cheer that this goes through, particularly if you retain Dana.
00:02:47.000And that was the other part of the report, was that Dana was going to stay on.
00:03:29.000He really is a big fan and obsessed and not burnt out yet, which is amazing.
00:03:35.000Because the amount of hours that guy puts in, and obviously he's making a shitload of fucking money, but it's still, the amount of hours that he puts in, you would think he would be cooked by now.
00:05:32.000There's a name for this, and it's very common in Brazil, but we were going in traffic, and a guy cut in front of us, and then what they like to do is cut in front of you, slow down, and then you get boxed in, and they jump out and rob you.
00:05:41.000So when the guy swerved over, we were in three lanes traffic, there was nobody else on the road, so when the guy cut in front of us, security knew what was going on, they pulled their gun out.
00:05:49.000My wife was in the back, And she was sleeping.
00:06:06.000But in that moment, you find out when the guns come out, whatever macho-ness you think you're going to have in that situation, you don't have.
00:06:16.000Were you thinking, like, why did I talk all that shit?
00:08:17.000I think that that is a fucking horrible miscarriage of justice.
00:08:21.000If you think the guy was doing something, then you fine him and you ban him for the amount of time that you need to based on if he was guilty.
00:08:32.000To be so callous, to show that you are a governing body and that you are taking care of the future of these athletes and supposedly protecting them from other athletes that are cheating or from whatever other nonsense, whatever other illegal activity might be going on, and to take that position of power and to Flagrantly abuse it in that way where you're openly showing them that you don't give a fuck about them.
00:10:17.000Look, I understand now, and I think a lot more of us do, too, that you have to get naked and do this.
00:10:22.000You've got all these weird things going on.
00:10:24.000At that time though, that's a weird thing.
00:10:26.000Now we're in the back of the MGM Grand in a dirty closet and I'm presenting to a stranger who refuses, not only doesn't offer ID, refused to give ID, and I tried to take a picture of the son of a bitch and he told me I could not do that.
00:11:23.000Also take into consideration the kind of guy, in fairness, the perfectly nice guy trying to feed his family, but in fairness, what kind of person says, I want to go around and collect people's pee?
00:12:37.000Even in today's standards, that makes sense.
00:12:39.000But back then, when no one knew that drug testers could be showing up, and once they showed up that you needed to present yourself naked, that you needed to accept, you know, that they were going to draw blood, Yeah, man.
00:12:51.000Vandley had the right to say, no, call my attorney.
00:13:12.000Now, under today's standards, it's a little bit different, because we know what's going on.
00:13:17.000We do know, but we don't know that some crazy internet troll can't pretend he's a USADA guy, show up, drag you into a bathroom, and take a picture of your dick.
00:15:02.000I mean, if you're gonna have a mixed martial arts hall of fame and you don't include Vandele Silva, you got a bullshit mixed martial arts hall of fame.
00:15:10.000I mean, you're talking about a guy who was the pride champion for a long time, you know, had incredible fights, legendary fights, and he's beloved.
00:15:19.000My point was, when you and him went at it on The Ultimate Fighter, his fucking popularity crashed.
00:20:18.000Well, you approach this in a very calculated way, which is very rare for people when they're doing promotion for fights.
00:20:25.000You know, there's shit talking, there's, you know, people say I'm the best ever, they brag, they do all sorts of different things, but it's very rare that they purposely put themselves in one position, and you did it on purpose, and you were the only guy that really had a vision.
00:20:40.000You're like, look, everybody out here is doing it one way, but there's a way to do it completely over the top, You obviously had skills to back it up as well, but you were completely over the top, and you cherished the role.
00:20:54.000When you took the microphone and went, Anderson Silva, you absolutely suck!
00:21:46.000Whether it's a personal thing, whether it's a career move, whether it's a title, whatever it is, you have to care and there has to be an answer.
00:22:24.000But there's an odd psychology that goes along with fighting.
00:22:27.000And one of the things that happens to people when they're preparing for a fight, and you could speak to this, is that there's sort of a compulsion or a feeling that you would like to avoid thinking about the fight as much as possible.
00:22:42.000There's a natural sort of attraction to just putting it aside.
00:22:48.000It's like, let's just not think about this.
00:22:52.000Focus on the task at hand, and when the task at hand is over, then we're going to take a break.
00:22:57.000And when a fight is over and the relief has hit a guy, like to shift gears and go straight into promo mode, sometimes guys have done it And they've done it, and it comes off artificial, and it comes off clunky, and it actually hurts them more than it helps them.
00:23:13.000Like, it seems like it takes a very specific type of personality to be able to pull that off correctly.
00:24:24.000Well, what's amazing is how much he gets booed.
00:24:26.000That's my point, but everybody hates him.
00:24:29.000You then have Jon Jones, who is a real-life heel that wants to be loved, and for some reason the crowd used to be against him, and now they find out who he is, they love it.
00:26:27.000They decided they wanted to see Anderson win.
00:26:29.000They weren't upset that they were on the ground.
00:26:30.000They weren't on their feet because they knew that's where Anderson could knock him out, and they decided they were going to cheer for Anderson.
00:26:36.000Cormier should have just told them to shove it up their ass, and they'd be stuck.
00:26:51.000Because right now, he's got a title that, let's just be completely honest about what it is, it's not a title that he beat the champion to get.
00:27:00.000They had to take it away from the champion, and the public recognizes that, and...
00:27:05.000While Jon Jones may be screwing up a lot, he may have all these problems outside of the octagon, inside the octagon, no one has been able to best him.
00:27:22.000They love Mike Tyson when he was in his prime, and even when he came out of jail for alleged rape, he claims he never did it.
00:27:29.000I don't know what happened, obviously.
00:27:30.000But when he came out of jail, they were still rooting for him.
00:27:34.000I mean, here's a guy who, if you have daughters, I have daughters, you know, if you have a girl and you hope, boy, the worst case scenario is my daughter finds herself in a position where a man wants to physically do something to her that she doesn't want.
00:27:55.000There's something about a guy who's just a bad motherfucker that people love.
00:28:00.000And there's a thing where they know that Daniel feels that.
00:28:04.000There's a thing where they know that Daniel knows that John is the guy who won the first fight, That Jon is the legitimate linear champion, that Jon is the undefeated fighter, and literally the only undefeated fighter at that level.
00:28:19.000He has one loss to Matt Hamill, which is a bullshit disqualification from a dumb fucking rule that shouldn't even be there.
00:28:42.000They didn't understand that those brick breakers.
00:28:45.000It's not that hard to break a fucking brick, man.
00:28:47.000It seems crazy, but it's really just not.
00:28:49.000Especially when they're spread wide like that.
00:28:52.000But Jon Jones has that aura of invincibility about him.
00:28:56.000Now, if he fought Rumble Johnson, Rumble Johnson head-kicked him into oblivion, and we see Jon with his toes curled, you know, lying on his back snoring, which absolutely can happen to any human, then the whole thing would change.
00:29:09.000And I think the walls would come cumbling down, and if Jon did a press conference and said he was 30 days sober, they would start booing him.
00:29:58.000He survived, he gutted it out, and then he imposed his superior wrestling and wound up winning.
00:30:03.000So we lost a lot there because that fight was supposed to be Jon Jones and Rumble Johnson.
00:30:11.000And then Jon Jones and Rumble Johnson would have been fucking epic.
00:30:13.000And that would have been really interesting to see what happens when a guy who hits like Rumble connects with a guy like Jon.
00:30:19.000And especially back then when we didn't know...
00:30:22.000We knew that Josh Koscheck had beaten him, that he had a real hard time in the later rounds when he was competing at 170. But we also knew that there's no fucking way he should have been at 170. Even when he fought Vitor at 185, it was kind of the same thing.
00:30:36.000He came out like a bat out of hell and then faded.
00:30:38.000And then we assumed that he also missed 185 against Vitor.
00:31:17.000Her own teammates were saying, look, if she gets in the second, third round, I don't know about this, but she's going to bring a storm in that first round, and I don't think Misha can survive it.
00:33:08.000You have one goal in mind, which is to win over the media and that they say nice things about you before you do go home and bury your head in the sand.
00:33:15.000Secondly, you want to break something.
00:33:18.000You want to get something out there to get ahead of the story.
00:33:20.000That's the whole reason you show up at these things.
00:33:22.000The only card that he had to play is, what did you test positive for?
00:33:27.000That was the only thing we didn't know.
00:35:35.000For him, is there another test out there?
00:35:36.000And if there's not, then USADA's got some explaining to do.
00:35:39.000If you're telling me a guy that's got a track record that tested positive for cocaine, going to fight in the biggest fight of his career, and the last time you tested him was one month before the bout, then USADA's got some explaining to do.
00:35:54.000I don't know, but that's the piece that's still missing.
00:35:57.000Well, there's one aspect to his test, his positive test, that people are saying could possibly play a factor, and it's supplements.
00:36:07.000That he could possibly have been taking something that, like, this is what happened to Tim Means, this is what happened to Yoel Romero, where they get a supplement and it says it has a bunch of stuff on it.
00:36:20.000It says you look through the ingredients, okay, creatine, B12, we're good, we're good.
00:36:24.000But then, when you run it through a lab, it turns out there's a bunch of other stuff in there, too.
00:36:28.000And that's why it's so effective, and that's why it sells.
00:36:31.000So it is possible that that could be the case.
00:36:35.000Because then, if that's the case, then John has to give them all the supplements that he was taking, and then they have to go to a store, buy them independently, test them, and verify that these ingredients were in not just the batch that he hands them, but also in other batches.
00:36:49.000So it's not like he doctored it, threw some stuff in there.
00:38:37.000The supplement company then, who dropped him immediately, came out with a press release and said, do not put this on us.
00:38:42.000We don't have anything to do with that, and we'll turn over any samples you want.
00:38:45.000So that's the downside to holding a press conference, is if there's anything the commission hates...
00:38:51.000It's when somebody isn't honest with them.
00:38:52.000Well, if there's anything USADA hates, and it's what Lance Armstrong found out, it's when you deny the scientific accuracy of their test.
00:39:00.000That's the risk with holding a press conference.
00:39:03.000That's why most legal teams will tell you, go home, be quiet, write to remain silent, execute that, show up at your hearing date, get sworn in, say your piece, and then go on about your life.
00:39:14.000How does John not have a trusted handler?
00:39:18.000How does John not have someone who realizes that you don't just have like a High-level athlete you have arguably the greatest light heavyweight of all time who has not in my opinion reached his potential yet I think John has Massive potential outside of what he's actually shown because when he moved to Albuquerque and we saw that he was training all the time and we saw the most recent footage before he fought Ovin St. Preux where he's powerlifting,
00:39:46.000he looks fucking huge, he's dedicated, he's eating clean, he's making these Instagram videos of all this healthy food he's eating.
00:39:52.000We're assuming he's getting the proper rest and all these other things.
00:39:55.000We're assuming, okay, the wild man days are gone.
00:39:57.000He's still got the wild man's mind, but now he's gonna approach this like a real competitive athlete.
00:40:14.000I mean, is it a positive thing to reign him in?
00:40:17.000Or is part of what he is and why he's so good and why he's willing to open with a flying knee on Shogun, their first fight, I mean, the first fight for a title at, what was he, 23?
00:40:31.000Yeah, 24. He opens up with a flying knee on, you know, one of the legends of MMA, former Pride Champion or Pride Grand Prix Champion and UFC Champion as well.
00:40:43.000You look at a guy like John and the way he competes and the way he's so creative and wild in there and impulsive.
00:40:51.000It's almost like that's a part of his success.
00:40:54.000I fully agree, and historically I could bring up athletes where that is true, where they go sober, where they go straight and narrow, when they find God, whatever these things are, and they change something, that, yeah, the dominoes start to fall.
00:41:07.000The problem is when you've got a wild man like John...
00:41:10.000He's in a box, and it's a loose box, and he's having some fun.
00:41:13.000But usually that continues to escalate.
00:41:16.000So he kind of needs to keep himself right in that framework.
00:41:18.000And the bad news is, it usually just keeps pushing.
00:41:51.000Fucking have three guys that he trusts follow him around everywhere and make sure that he doesn't eat anything that he's not supposed to eat.
00:43:47.000The other side of John, you know, when you're talking about the car wrecks or when we're talking about the cocaine or what he's going through now, and again, this was my takeaway from the press conference, the biggest takeaway was John won't own anything.
00:43:58.000And it's like, John, at some point, you can't do the routine about, I don't know why God put me in this spot.
00:44:04.000I don't know why God put me in the spot.
00:44:24.000Now you're in a jam here for two banned substances, and you're still not taking a response, and you think God's put you in this spot.
00:44:31.000It's like John said, you put yourself in this spot, and at some point, if you're the baddest dude in the world, and you are, you've got to man up on these things.
00:44:37.000You've got to man up and go, hey, I'm guilty, and how exactly it happened, I'm going to try to figure that out.
00:45:51.000We'll drop it off at the lab ourselves.
00:45:55.000This online because someone told me about it this weekend and I never got a chance to look at it.
00:45:59.000Someone said that there are certain things in supplements that, you know, could have been sold by a company that would allow you to test positive for these very things.
00:46:11.000See if you can find that in relationship to Jon Jones' test.
00:46:16.000Because I remember someone talking about it and I said, I gotta remember to look this up.
00:46:22.000Those two chemicals, they only exist in a pharmaceutical world, right?
00:47:53.000Bodybuilders and other athletes subjected to substance testing should never use this product unless first approved by the validating organization.
00:48:00.000Product may cause a drug test result called false positive urinary blood.
00:48:53.000I'll fucking, I'll promote it for a month for free.
00:48:55.000If you can get that guy to look like that and test positive or test negative, like that guy's not on Anadrol 50 and fucking test sip-inate and every other fucking thing in the book and Gorilla Cum and whatever the fuck he's on.
00:52:49.000But none of these things are estrogen blockers.
00:52:52.000So, it doesn't make sense unless he got a tainted supplement, which, again, and this is not the fault of the company, happens all the time.
00:53:01.000Because the way a supplement company works, like say if you wanted to buy creatine or something from a company, you buy it in bulk from a supplier.
00:53:09.000And that supplier, you might be in China or who knows where, and they mix these things up and they use the same vats.
00:53:16.000Like, that was the Anderson Silva story.
00:53:19.000That was his alibi, is that he was buying...
00:53:23.000Liquid Cialis, and he was buying it from a company that also sold steroids.
00:53:28.000And apparently, according to people that know him, that is actually what happened.
00:54:12.000They're confused on Frank Mir's because his metabolites were so low where they're going, well, look, you passed here, you passed here, but you didn't hear for your metabolites to be this low.
00:54:21.000You would have had to have taken it six weeks before, but we tested you there.
00:54:25.000They're even confused on their science there.
00:56:02.000That is another thing that I feel like was medically very irresponsible, the way they handled it, and also that they didn't allow guys to take something like an estrogen block or something that, HCG, or something that restarts your endocrine system,
00:56:19.000but yet they allowed these guys to fight and schedule fights just a couple of months after getting off testosterone therapy.
00:56:26.000So you put these athletes in a very precarious situation where you're dangling this gigantic financial carrot in front of them.
00:56:31.000You know, you're saying, hey, man, we got a fight.
00:56:34.000You know, you're gonna make X amount of dollars.
00:56:40.000All this stuff that's been making you feel good and making your camps go better and allowing you to recover faster, that shit's out the door.
00:56:48.000So now you have to deal with not just your 37-year-old endocrine system, which is, you know, fine, but a 37-year-old endocrine system that needs to be restarted.
00:56:59.000And they do put him in a tough spot, too.
00:57:02.000And I would be curious if this was ever tested in a court, because they put him in an interesting spot where a guy gets advice from his doctor, which you're supposed to listen to, and he has to cross-reference that advice.
00:57:58.000And that's where they go way out of bounds sometimes.
00:58:01.000I think back to the Chinese gymnast where they stripped her medal in 2004 and kicked her out of the Olympics forever because she had a billionth of a trace of ibuprofen, which has a street name of aspirin.
00:58:18.000To take a legal thing that you've found that can help your performance.
00:58:22.000Why would you take anything that could hurt you?
00:58:23.000That was another thing that John came out.
00:58:25.000He was so adamant that I took nothing to help my performance.
00:58:29.000I'm going, John, I don't know why that's the high canon of bad things you don't want to be associated with.
00:58:33.000You took coke, which is a felony, and can kill you, but now you're standing on the moral high ground that you didn't take anything that could help you.
00:59:18.000I mean, why do people take different things that have nothing to do with athletic performance?
00:59:24.000They take it because there's a desired result.
00:59:28.000But what I'm saying, if you're trying to fall under the scope of a medicine, like an estrogen block or testosterone, those are classified as medicine, and the media can call it drugs all they want.
00:59:37.000That's medicine under the FDA. You can't become a medicine unless you can reasonably prove that it's going to help a patient.
00:59:43.000You can't be a doctor, give somebody something that brings them down and makes them worse.
01:00:11.000That is true, but I just think that's a ridiculous one, too.
01:00:15.000Now, you'd have to be tested, your body, all these different things, but they say that two cups of coffee in a 15-minute period will make you test hot.
01:00:24.000Now, you'll only test hot for about 15 minutes because caffeine wears off so fast, but yes, if somebody was to come in right now, I've got three different coffees in front of me, I could be above the limit on that, and I'm sitting here going, I'm getting jazzed up to do a podcast.
01:02:01.000But Vitor, when he fought Weidman, I remember feeling when he went into the octagon and I saw him bouncing around and his loose skin was moving all over his body.
01:03:17.000Because Weidman got in his face at the weigh-in and was saying, because he tested it 1,200, and Weidman tested it 3. And he was like, what the fuck is going on?
01:03:27.000How do you have four times as much testosterone as me?
01:05:17.000But he just does not look like TRT Vitor.
01:05:21.000Physically, he's the guy that's had the biggest difference.
01:05:26.000And I just I feel like if you're gonna to just say you have to be off of it I think is ridiculous I think I mean he wanted that title shot and is really important to him but I feel like that medically they had a responsibility to give the guy a break like to say we're gonna give you six months of Restorative therapy,
01:05:46.000you know allow your body to come back into a normal testosterone range and then re-enter into the drug testing And we'll test you during that time to make sure that you're not taking anything else on top of that.
01:06:00.000But to not allow the guy any sort of medicine that can restart his endocrine system seems very irresponsible when it's such a primary factor in performance.
01:06:13.000You're not talking about, like, fucking volleyball.
01:06:15.000You're talking about head kicks, you know?
01:06:17.000And the difference between getting beat up and not getting beat up, between getting brain damage and not getting brain damage, that could play a huge factor in that.
01:07:52.000They were still pretty light on him, though, for three substances and a guy that still was resisting the test and coming in with a story and refusing to talk to him.
01:10:27.000Historically, they haven't, but they can.
01:10:29.000They did not have the right to test him, though, because he was not licensed yet in Nevada, and the statute clearly says to the licensee of which he was not.
01:10:38.000Kaiser, who was in at the time, said, listen, the fight's been announced in my state, he's in my state, that gives me the right.
01:11:11.000I heard a rumor that he would get to that eventually, but Vandalay's got some kind of wrestling thing lined up for like a tag team wrestling match is how he's going to ease his way back into a pool.
01:16:08.000Because you've got to think, the prime Verdum who beat Fedor, the prime Verdum that beat Kane, could probably have beaten those guys no matter what.
01:16:16.000It's very possible he could have beaten those guys no matter what.
01:16:18.000So I think he does go into the conversation.
01:16:20.000It's just the history that Kane had and the history that Fedor had.
01:16:24.000I mean, Kane's insane wars and the way he broke down Junior Dos Santos.
01:16:28.000Gets knocked out in the first fight and then the next two fights just puts a fucking hellacious beating on him.
01:18:41.000If you think Bisping's going to just go in and beat him, or you look at Dan's record, you think that Bisping doesn't go to bed at night remembering what that was like.
01:18:47.000The teasing, the highlight reel, all the people, everybody telling him about making fun of him.
01:18:52.000Dan's logo is him flying through the air when he pounded Bisping after he was unconscious.
01:19:00.000I mean, it's his highlight reel knockout.
01:19:01.000I stayed at Dan Henderson's house for a month, helping him train for Vitor, and when you turn Dan's TV off at night, the remote control says, lights out, and it's him hitting Bisping.
01:19:09.000That's what lights up on his remote control.
01:19:13.000I mean, if you think Dan doesn't have confidence going into this, sure he has confidence.
01:19:56.000But it shows that Dan can still shut the lights out on a guy in his prime who's a destroyer who's never been knocked out before in the Octagon.
01:20:12.000He's going to do the promos beforehand, he's going to mean it, he's going to hate that opponent, it's real, he's going to look like a million bucks, and he's going to come out fighting.
01:20:19.000Whatever happens after that happens, but he's coming to fight.
01:22:17.000It's not like he called him out right after he just got knocked out in the first round by Vitor.
01:22:22.000No, he called him out after he just destroyed Hector Lombard.
01:22:25.000And, like, that was one of the greatest knockouts in the fucking history of the sport.
01:22:30.000I mean, when that happened, because when you consider all that was at stake, when you consider that Dan was 45 years old, that people thought he was in the twilight of his career, that he's stepping in there to fight Hector Lombard was just a fucking monster in his prime.
01:23:42.000I had an erroneous memory of Jacare winning the decision, and I don't know why.
01:23:47.000Maybe it's because of him testing positive, but it was a very close fight, too.
01:23:50.000I remember not knowing after it was over.
01:23:52.000I mean, I remember Yoel blasted him and had him really badly hurt, but I felt like Jacare came back a bit, and it was a very close fight towards the end.
01:27:07.000I'm like, what in the hell is this story?
01:27:09.000You probably know the story, but I didn't.
01:27:11.000So he tells me the whole story and he says, yeah, but you know, kidnapping's kind of a weird charge because when you and Vandalay got in that scuffle in The Ultimate Fighter, if I come and grab you and I take you into the next room just to cool you down, taking you into a room against your, that's kidnapping.
01:27:24.000So I think like they got him on a technicality jam like what they're doing with Frank Mir or some of these guys we're talking about.
01:27:29.000And I say, oh, okay, is that what happened?
01:27:31.000And he goes, no, I duct taped the guy.
01:27:33.000He was in my trunk, and then I held him in the house for a week before I let him go.
01:27:36.000I'm like, well, then why did you tell me?
01:27:38.000Why did you bring up the initial example of taking me next door and cooling me down?
01:29:00.000That's what he says, but he's trying to say the women's room's cleaner, he's been using them since he's five years old, and he said, and I have dealt with the consequences, which I knew!
01:29:08.000I want the answer to what those were, it's just, it's like, there's too many other things to talk to this guy about.
01:29:13.000I gotta get back to the hooker with the wig that he mugged.
01:29:15.000I've known Joey for 20 years, and he's never stopped running out of stories.
01:30:00.000Well, to qualify, so he tells this story about robbing this guy with a machine gun that he just happened to have, taking the two kilos off the street, doing the cop's job for him, but then having the guy in his trunk duct taped before he moved him to the house, before he let him go.
01:32:18.000I got in trouble for quoting one of his jokes during a Fox broadcast, like a Fox Sports 1. Who was the fighter that he was telling a joke about?
01:32:31.000He said he comes from behind more than Lance Bass?
01:33:36.000And that's one of the things that people who love to be recreationally outraged, that's what they do.
01:33:41.000They'll find a joke and they'll say, that's not funny to me.
01:33:43.000It's horribly offensive and it's, you know, degrading and blah, blah, blah.
01:33:47.000And they'll come up with a bunch of reasons why it shouldn't be funny.
01:33:50.000But if there's someone out there that's howling at the same time you're protesting, the other person's howling laughing, well, then it did its job.
01:33:59.000It might have been as recently as yesterday, but it was a two-part.
01:34:03.000The first part said, this country has a mental health problem disguised as a gun problem, and this country has a tyranny problem disguised as a security problem.
01:34:44.000There are more guns than there are human beings in this country.
01:34:47.000And if there was a gun problem the way a lot of people like to pretend there's a gun problem, or the way they like to, I shouldn't say pretend, because obviously there's an issue, the way they like to categorize it, there would be people shooting people en masse all day long, every day.
01:35:01.000It would be impossible to go out of the house without looking for gunfire.
01:35:05.000When you think about how many people there are and how many guns there are, And how statistically rare it is that these things happen.
01:35:14.000It shows you, and then you factor in how many of these people are on anti-depressants, how many of these people are being weaned off of anti-depressants, those numbers are terrifying.
01:35:24.000Because when you look at the correlation, you know, correlation does not equal causation, there's a weird argument, but it's an undeniable factor that has to be at least debated and discussed.
01:35:37.000There are so many fucking people in this country on disassociating meds, on things that allow you to get away with...
01:35:45.000You can justify and do and act in horrific ways and not exactly know what the fuck you're doing.
01:35:53.000That is one of the problems that's associated with certain antidepressants.
01:35:58.000And to not connect those two is crazy.
01:36:01.000And even if they're not medicated, forget about the medication, because the medication is one issue.
01:36:05.000The type of person that can go into a fucking school and shoot a bunch of kids, if you don't think that's a mental illness issue, oh, it's only a gun issue.
01:37:45.000We don't have any gun problems and everybody's got them.
01:37:48.000Well, don't you also think that living in a place like the country where everybody does have guns, that is a very different environment than living in a city.
01:37:57.000If everybody had guns in the city, you have so much more tension going on.
01:39:09.000Actually, I don't even think that you have to have it in California.
01:39:11.000But you, which is weird, because California is like one of the most restrictive states when it comes to firearms.
01:39:17.000But you have to go through this long, difficult course, and you have to pass tests, and you have to actually know what the fuck you're doing.
01:40:23.000The NRA is trying to stop restrictions.
01:40:25.000And the reason why they're trying to stop restrictions is because when anything goes on television, it's very disingenuous.
01:40:33.000For someone to go on television after some sort of a massacre and not bring up all the factors, not bring up psych meds, not bring up mental health, not talk about the correlation between raising kids in abusive households and having children grow up with these horrible lives and then they go on and become fucking psychopaths.
01:42:27.000I think that they're wrong following JFK's model that he said in 1964. I think here in 2016, let emotions die down a little bit.
01:42:35.000Let people not be pissed on one side or the other, worried about protecting themselves and their family or worried that something's going to happen to themselves and their family.
01:42:41.000You get good people with really different views here.
01:42:44.000I think that they're misplacing JFK's philosophy, in my opinion, in 2016. Let things die down a little bit and then bring it up.
01:42:51.000Yeah, and there's also this weird adherence, concrete adherence to the Bill of Rights and the Second Amendment.
01:43:00.000I mean, yeah, I think that people should...
01:43:27.000Like, if you say, hey Joe, I'm thinking about starting a fucking nuclear power plant in your backyard, and I'm pretty sure I know what I'm doing, but if I don't, we're gonna have to move to the middle of the ocean.
01:43:37.000And you could sort of apply that logic to guns.
01:43:40.000You say, well, you know, if you're a fucking gun nut and you like to shoot guns off in your backyard and, you know, you might ricochet one and fucking shoot my dog or something, then it becomes a safety issue and a health issue, but...
01:43:52.000It's hard to justify using the words of people that lived in the fucking 1700s when it comes to today, with the kind of guns that we have, with the kind of society that we have, with the kind of...
01:44:08.000Across the board, our legal system, our system of government, representative government, all that stuff is fucking bananas in the world of 2016. Representative government has no place in a world where everyone has social media, where everyone can be represented instantaneously.
01:44:26.000You don't have to get on a fucking horse and take a parchment across the country to hand it to some dude in a powdered wig.
01:44:48.000This experiment of self-government that the United States of America was founded on is a fantastic invention, and it's one of the reasons why so much art and creativity and innovation and freedom come from this part of the world.
01:45:01.000But to rely on the exact words written with a fucking feather Back when people were taking wooden boats across the ocean hoping they wouldn't get eaten by Indians when they landed here.
01:45:33.000Yeah, there's a lot of people from Haiti.
01:45:35.000Yeah, to your point, though, people have this absolute fetish for the Constitution, no matter how many times we've amended it over the years.
01:45:41.000And it extends to the Bill of Rights, too.
01:45:43.000And they need to take – you bring up a feather, but – And that's accurate.
01:45:47.000They signed it with a feather, but they were also married to their cousin and they bathed once a week.
01:45:52.000And it's like, hey guys, things changed.
01:45:54.000Now these guys did their level best at that time, but they couldn't see the world in perpetuity.
01:46:00.000And the other side of it is, no matter how many times we've amended the Constitution, you guys still have a fetish that this was like the Gospel.
01:46:06.000This wasn't touched by the hand of God.
01:46:08.000This was written by knuckleheads with 8th grade educations.
01:46:11.000Yeah, and the thing about the Bill of Rights, the reason why they cling to that Second Amendment is because it does state that you have the right to bear arms.
01:46:23.000And people also love the basis behind it.
01:46:25.000It wasn't about hunter and gather like some people say.
01:46:27.000It was about, look, if our government has guns, then we have guns so that we can always overtake our government should we need to.
01:46:34.000In the world of tanks and aircraft and everything, of course that doesn't hold, but that's the part that people like.
01:46:39.000They don't want to give their government the power that the people don't have.
01:46:42.000That is a wonderful philosophy, but it's kind of outgrown itself.
01:46:45.000It has outgrown itself in the United States of America in 2016, but if the shit hits the fan, and it absolutely could.
01:46:52.000We are one natural disaster away from chaos at all times, and that is something that has happened all throughout human history.
01:47:00.000There have been gigantic Asteroidal impacts there have been super volcanoes there have been tidal waves There's been a lot of shit that happens then all sudden chaos I mean we saw what happened with Katrina Katrina hit and there was looting and rioting and chaos and People have the right to defend themselves and protect themselves in in that kind of situation when people go crazy Then you you factor in the possibility of government Going crazy.
01:47:27.000That is just as much of a possibility.
01:47:48.000Yeah, I think there is an argument that when people have ultimate power, they also have massive potential for corruption.
01:47:58.000We see that today with the Clinton campaign, this nonsense with the fucking emails and the classified data that she had inadvertently or purposely sent through email.
01:48:11.000And then the difference between her take on it and what the FBI's take on it was, like, there's clearly lying going on.
01:49:38.000The same thing is going on with ISIS. We're supposed to have this great military, and no offense to the people that serve, but offense to the people that are handcuffing our military.
01:49:46.000ISIS, when I first heard about them, For the very first time, was 200 members strong.
01:49:52.000Now they are 4,000 strong, and we still can't stop these guys, and we're supposed to be the best?
01:50:39.000And this is not the kind of corruption that we need to be absolutely terrified of, like they're going to come and steal our children and take all our money away and fucking shoot anybody who talks back.
01:50:48.000That's not that level of corruption, but it's a slippery slope.
01:50:52.000With any corruption, if the laws don't apply to you because your name is Hillary Clinton, but the law applies to Chael Sonnen or Joe Rogan, that's nonsense.
01:52:08.000Donald Trump isn't planning to go and whip people.
01:52:10.000He's planning to make people think he will whip them, which is why he's not going to get us into wars, and a lot of people don't see that.
01:52:17.000And Trump can't come out and reveal this big curtain, or people go, oh, well, the whole thing's a joke.
01:52:21.000He can't do that, so he's got to stand this ground, take people saying he's crazy, hope that enough Enough people get it to vote him into office.
01:54:27.000This Donald Trump thing, which is interesting to me, is that what he's done is he's gotten the media to work for him because he found a weakness in what they do.
01:54:38.000What they like to do is they like to talk shit.
01:54:39.000What the media likes to do is they like to find something that they feel like is going to be embarrassing or something that they can focus on and really drone on and on about it.
01:57:17.000But, Joe, he was very candid about it.
01:57:19.000He said, I have been funding this myself.
01:57:22.000And he said, and frankly, I haven't gotten a very good return.
01:57:24.000I'm funding this myself so everybody knows I'm not bought and sold, that I haven't made deals, that I'm going to go in there and actually represent the people.
01:57:59.000What I'm saying is he had the emergency drive, but that was interesting too.
01:58:02.000He said, I want to raise $10 million in two days, and by the way, if you guys give me $10 million, I'll throw another $10 million in on myself.
01:58:10.000It was such a success, he did it again.
01:58:12.000Well, it's a weird situation for the Democrats because if Hillary did get indicted and if Hillary did wind up getting convicted or they punished her in any way, it's over.
01:58:40.000I think she's cognizant enough to know that America does not want to look sexist, but it in fact is.
01:58:45.000That America's going to have a hard time putting a female as the commander-in-chief of the military, who doesn't come out and endorse anybody, but if you talk to them privately, they do not want to be led by a woman.
01:58:56.000I think she's smart enough to know they damn sure don't want to be led by two, but of course would never say that publicly, right?
01:59:03.000We don't want to look sexist as a country, even though we are.
01:59:05.000If Hillary wants to put the nail in the coffin of this campaign, she puts Bill as her VP. She does not have an ego that would allow her to do such, and I think she might make the air of putting Elizabeth Warren in.
01:59:19.000Man, that would be a weird thing because Elizabeth Warren pretended that she was Native American.
02:00:34.000When it gets to be August and then September, that's when shit's gonna really start flying.
02:00:40.000You know, it's gonna be interesting to see what he uses to try to attack her and what she used to try to attack him and How both they're gonna they're both gonna get damaged in the process and our system is gonna be damaged in the process and that's something that I think Everybody is kind of cognizant of when you destroy someone who is on their way to become the commander-in-chief You kind of weaken the whole nation because that person becomes the like look if Hillary One,
02:01:05.000say if the elections were tomorrow, and the FBI thing happened today, and then she wins tomorrow, and everybody's going to be like, eugh.
02:01:11.000We know she did something that we would have been punished for.
02:02:13.000To me, it's just disturbing that we're down to a reality TV star and an old lady trying to get back at her husband for a blowjob he got in the 90s.
02:02:49.000See, that's another one, though, Joe, if you don't mind me interrupting.
02:02:52.000If he would have just told the truth back then, just used the truth on his side, it would have all been done.
02:02:56.000If he would have just said, man, I'll sleep with anything in the world except her.
02:03:00.000If he would have just done that, it'd be all over and said he started getting crazy.
02:03:04.000If he would have hit him with that line.
02:03:05.000You know, it's the same thing with Trump right now.
02:03:08.000If he would have just said, look, I think that America should have a long leash, but attack to that leash is a big old bomb, and this is how we're going to do it, and we'll light the thing if we have to.
02:04:27.000So he went to these things, coked up, thinking he was just going to power through it with charisma, and people were booing, and he's like, hey, I got your money.
02:04:35.000I already got your money, which is fucking crazy to yell out at people that have bought your tickets.
02:04:40.000But then he adjusted, he got smart, and he brought guys like Russell Peters in to sit down with him and interview him, and they actually worked out a routine, and it actually became an entertaining show towards the last leg of the tour.
02:04:51.000But his ability to step up and say, hey, I like coke.
02:05:50.000I'm confused by this one, because I don't know how many different options there could have been where these are the two things that he tested positive for.
02:05:58.000I don't know how many options there could have been, other than him taking that because he was getting off steroids, but that doesn't even seem to make sense because he had been tested much more recently, or before that, close to that, and he didn't have that in his system, and he didn't have steroids in his system.
02:06:14.000But, to Victor Conte's credit, Victor Conte did question John Jones's testosterone levels and epitestosterone levels.
02:06:55.000I didn't know if you had to do it, so I don't mean to go back to it, but...
02:06:58.000The point that this test that we're all talking about is June 16th, and there's got to be another shoe that's getting ready to drop.
02:07:04.000Now, whether that comes back hot or whether it comes back clean, we don't know, but there's no way that Usada's last time testing a guy for a fight that was supposed to take place this last Saturday was June 16th.
02:07:36.000Because those tests take a while to get the results back, because they're very, very thorough.
02:07:41.000And if he tested June 16th, you've got to assume big, high-profile UFC 200, and a guy who's already tested positive for something before, so they're going to be sneaking around trying to catch him.
02:07:52.000What was the crazy story where he went, he was hiding...
02:09:21.000They wanted to get a warrant and go under that ring under the theory that at some point in that six to eight hour span he would have had to pee.
02:09:30.000They wanted to go under forensically and collect that urine.
02:09:33.000That's how upset they were that they had been had.
02:09:36.000Now, I realize that we're saying all the nice stuff.
02:13:04.000He just signed with World Series of Fighting.
02:13:07.000So Haney's in against Vinny, and then the biggest one, the absolute biggest one that wasn't meant to be, but this is the one that's got my phone ringing, Rico Rodriguez is coming back.
02:13:34.000And then the question with Rico, Joe, you know, Grappling is a gateway into MMA. So now that Rico's all of a sudden back in grappling, that's everybody's big question.
02:13:43.000Is he coming back to MMA? And he's one of those guys that left the sport on his own.
02:13:47.000There wasn't that a promoter wouldn't sign him or Dana didn't want him or Pride wouldn't put him under contract.
02:13:52.000He had those personal, he did whatever, but he left on his own.
02:16:20.000So the grapplers that are going to wrestle, they're going to have a roaring audience, and it's a rare thing.
02:16:24.000Well, the Eddie Bravo rules, Eddie Bravo Invitational rules, are without a doubt the best rules, because they force guys into bad situations.
02:16:31.000So what it is, is after the fight goes to the, would you have eight minutes?
02:16:36.000After it goes to the eight minute time difference, and there's a draw, what happens is you put guys in bad positions.
02:16:42.000So just like in wrestling, one guy will start on the bottom.
02:16:45.000In jiu-jitsu, what they're doing with Eddie Bravo rules is one guy will start on your back, Or he'll start in a position called spiderweb, which means you're defending, you get the guy on the bottom is defending against an arm bar, the guy on the top is inside control with the arm hooked and controlling the leg.
02:17:00.000So it's a bad spot to be in if you're on the bottom, and it's a bad spot if a guy obviously has your back.
02:17:05.000So by putting guys in those situations, you allow the fighter to try to work from a really bad spot to try to get a tap, and then you switch places.
02:17:16.000So if you start on my back and you tap me, then I have at least an opportunity to try to tap you.
02:17:21.000And if you escape, then you wind up winning the whole thing.
02:17:23.000But it could be that you escape and I escape and you escape and I escape.
02:17:27.000And we see a lot of those matches where it's like down to the wire.
02:17:30.000And if that's the case, then you count up the amount of time spent in control.
02:17:35.000So if it takes you 10 seconds to escape, but it takes me 30 seconds to escape, you would win because you escape quicker.
02:18:03.000That's my point, Joe, and here's what his point was.
02:18:04.000He said, you know, everybody that has a grappling event wants to make up their own rules.
02:18:07.000He said, but as an industry, for the gym owners, for the guys that are going into the gym and they're training every day, they need to be able to train the same way.
02:18:14.000The coach needs to be able to have a stopwatch just like he does MMA. Five-minute rounds, you do three of them.
02:18:18.000If you're in a main event or title fight, you do five of them.
02:18:20.000You go to a basketball court, you go volleyball.
02:18:23.000He said, for an industry, we need to be All teammates, all no-gi jiu-jitsu, they need to be able to train the same way so the coach can run a practice.
02:18:32.000And he doesn't have to go, you guys training for Abu Dhabi over here, and you guys training for the IBJJF over here.
02:18:40.000If us promoters can all get together and unify some rules, like the unified rules of MMA, as an industry, the trickle-down, which is the gyms, We can get this thing figured out and then we can start to have a hybrid.
02:18:51.000And Eddie's rules really are quite perfect.
02:18:53.000You know, he calls them the most gangster rules out there, but he's right.
02:19:51.000Yeah, that is a giant issue with everybody else's rule set.
02:19:55.000I just think that if you look at submission grappling, and especially people that have a problem with the quote-unquote violence of MMA, the submission aspect of it is beautiful to watch.
02:20:12.000It's an exciting part of martial arts.
02:20:15.000And it's something that guys can do when they retire from fighting.
02:20:19.000It's something that a lot of people that don't want to get involved in MMA, but guys like the Mendez brothers or Gary Tonin, he's actually probably going to do MMA eventually, but all these super talented grapplers, it gives them an opportunity to show their stuff.