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00:00:18.000You're coming off of a fucking gigantic victory, man, over Hennon Burau, who was, just a little while ago, consensus top three pound-for-pound fighter in the world, man.
00:00:29.000I think that was before USADA, you know, coming in.
00:00:33.000I feel like it's on level playing fields, and you kind of wonder who would be champions.
00:00:38.000For people who don't know what we're talking about, USADA, the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency, was hired by the UFC to clean up the sport, and goddamn bodies are dropping.
00:02:05.000You know, one day they're gonna figure out what the fuck these people are doing.
00:02:08.000But Nowitzki was explaining all the weird little loopholes that people are finding, like testosterone supplementation that comes from animals instead of from wild yams.
00:02:18.000Did you know that that's how they catch them?
00:02:21.000No, I've heard of people doing stuff like that, but, I mean, that just seems insane.
00:02:25.000I mean, last time we were on the show, you were talking about how somebody was pulling out their blood and refrigerating it, and it was that doping, basically, like EPO. Well, that is still going on.
00:02:36.000And apparently, the way they're supposed to be able to test that, like, you're not supposed to use an IV, right?
00:02:41.000And the reason why you're not supposed to use an IV is that somehow or another, through intravenous fluids, you can mask the effects of doping.
00:02:49.000So they also have been able to detect minuscule plastic particles from the tubes that they use to put IV fluids back in your body.
00:03:00.000They've been able to detect those, apparently, but no one's ever been caught for that.
00:03:06.000They would either use blood, that's your own blood, or in Lance Armstrong's case, a lot of the people were taking EPO, which makes your body produce more blood.
00:03:16.000But I think guys to this day are probably still putting blood back into their body.
00:03:25.000You know, I mean, you cut drastic weight and then you're pulling blood and then, you know, with everything going on.
00:03:30.000Well, I know a dude that walked into a fighter's dressing room, not dressing room, hotel room, and they had bags of blood in the hotel room.
00:03:39.000They pulled his blood out so he could make weight.
00:03:42.000Yeah, you were telling me that last time.
00:04:25.000I mean, I... The level playing field, people are getting knocked out, you know, their bodies are changing, and they're seeing that their fight styles, guys are going undefeated, and just all these rampages, you're like, man, he must be in great shape, he's just killing it in the fifth round, and now he can't get past round one, two, you know, and you're just like,
00:04:48.000You look at a guy like Mighty Mouse, where he fought Bogutinov.
00:04:52.000And Bagutinov, he out-cardioed the guy, beat his ass, especially going into the stretch, was just completely outworking him.
00:04:58.000And at the end of the fight, Bagutinov pops hot for EPO. Yep.
00:05:03.000So even though this guy was on drugs, Mighty Mouse's technique and cardio and just his ability to understand how to pace himself through a five-round fight.
00:05:15.000I know you've been a big fan of him, and I've always enjoyed watching that guy.
00:05:17.000I mean, I can't fight like that guy, but to watch some of his techniques and the way he uses angles and footwork and how he lures you in in his clinch game is nasty.
00:06:57.000I'm just trying to reach him, but them guys, they just use fluid movement.
00:07:02.000I think some people are just blessed to have that integrated in their body, in a good neutral spine, in a good solid base.
00:07:07.000And that's why they're able to connect on their shots a lot more, as can be disconnected.
00:07:12.000Say like a short circuit, if there's like a small little detail, like this cord right here, say it's like broken, and you're not getting the full amount of energy, as where if you have a solid base and a good spine, you know how to integrate your body to use as one, there's going to be a lot more of a sturdier connection and more flow and fluid movement.
00:07:29.000I'm glad you brought that up, because I've always thought that about efficiency, that efficiency is very important, and there are fighters that you see wasted movement or a lot of slop into the way they execute techniques, and even if they have power, sometimes they're so awkward with the way they do it that you've got to think that there's a lot of waste as far as the energy expenditure.
00:07:50.000You said blessed, so you think that that's a natural ability?
00:07:56.000I think some of it occurs that some people are able to integrate their body.
00:08:00.000If you ever just look up people's postures, some people just kind of, they'll slouch, they'll kind of bend over, and it's posture, and this thing's kind of actually...
00:08:12.000And, you know, like you said, it's a lot of wasted movement as some people are just more integrated with their body, so they are a lot more efficient.
00:08:19.000You know, granted, then you've got to have the skills, the cardio and everything else, but I feel like if you have a good base and plus the fight skills, I feel like you're going to be a lot more efficient and probably have longevity in your career as well with injuries and stuff.
00:08:33.000Do you think that that's from childhood?
00:08:35.000Like, I've always wondered, like, there's some children that start off doing, like, gymnastics, or, like, there's been a lot of guys in jiu-jitsu that have gotten into it that come from breakdancing, which is kind of interesting.
00:08:49.000But that ability to move your body, like, at a young age, you develop, like, a real sense of...
00:08:57.000I want to add just coordination, you know, just dexterity, so many different attributes that you develop when you're young and then your body grows into it.
00:09:31.000But, you know, once you release myofascial, there's corrective exercises you can do to kind of reprogram your mind that you've been working on such a dysfunction you may not even know it.
00:09:42.000And there's ways, too, that you can integrate your body and neurologically reprogram your mind of, like, you know, this is how I should be walking.
00:09:48.000This is how I should be integrating my body.
00:09:50.000And this helps out with posture and breathing.
00:09:53.000You know, the Iceman Huff, like, says a lot of stuff about this.
00:09:56.000And it's real interesting facts to know because this is for everybody.
00:09:59.000People work down at a desk, slouching over, typing all the time.
00:10:26.000There's a lot of people that get involved with movement coaches, and some people mock it, and some people say, well, you should just be spending that time working on your fight training and your abilities, your skill set, and then just do cardio and explosive exercises.
00:10:40.000And then some people say, no, that's good too, but the ability to move efficiently in odd ways and carry your balance.
00:10:48.000Now, your guy, you said it's functional patterns, that's what they call it?
00:10:52.000Yeah, you know, Conor McGregor's been doing a lot of stuff with movement, and it's pretty good.
00:11:06.000He doesn't understand the integration part, as where Nadia Aguilar with Functional Patterns, he teaches you how to kind of just sit still, integrate your body, and just hold these positions where I'm just standing still or on my toes without...
00:11:19.000A lumbar extension or if I'm slouching, he keeps a neutral spine throughout his whole movement.
00:11:26.000So he's using his body as one and he has a little bit more of an integrated system as compared to just no one who knows even how to have a base and you just go into this movement and you're doing it all wrong while you're having lumbar or you're slouching.
00:11:39.000He believes in integrating that technique so your body works, like you said, more efficiently instead of working against you.
00:11:45.000Well, why do you think that Conor's doing it wrong?
00:11:51.000You can watch his posture or watch his knee if his knee goes over his toe in like a certain movement or he has like a lumbar in his spine as compared if you watch like a Nadia Aguilar, he'll teach you how to do that same type of movement.
00:12:04.000But you'll see the little minor details and little millimeters of a difference that makes you integrate your body so that your glutes are working with your core.
00:12:13.000As you walk in, everybody just does these deadlifts and it's not like a good rotation.
00:12:34.000Say how you punch on your main two fingers.
00:12:37.000The two knuckles that are index finger and then the ring finger, right?
00:12:40.000Yep, and you know how you have like arches on your feet and you're kind of walking like, look at my hands, and you're walking like that on the outside?
00:12:45.000So then if I'm walking on the outside, my knees like this, say this is good.
00:12:49.000So now I'm integrating everything up to my groin, my glute activated, but if I'm walking on the outside, your knee's gonna, your outer part of your knee's gonna be taking more of the load and the damage.
00:12:59.000You know, then you're not integrating, you're growing, and that's how people end up actually...
00:13:46.000He taught me about myofascial release, and then I got into correctional exercises.
00:13:50.000Once he was able to fix my base, I was able to start moving and getting into movements like this.
00:13:55.000So what we're looking at, folks, for the folks that are just listening, is this guy doing all these crazy movements with kettlebells and dumbbells and jumping around back and forth and doing all these flips through the air right now.
00:14:15.000And I've watched Idol, I think that's his name, and there's just these little details that he doesn't have that he has and that he integrates.
00:14:34.000He's allowing the swing, almost like a cheat, to allow your body to rotate.
00:14:38.000It's It's really changed my life working with this guy and the things that I've learned and the deficiencies in my body that I really wasn't aware of back then that I'm working with now.
00:14:51.000I've been fighting for a long time and I've been able to keep healthy and injury free by doing a lot of these movements, myofascial release and working on my posture, breathing.
00:15:01.000People who are doing sprints at night, your nervous system is still in a flight or flight mode and you can't fall asleep.
00:15:07.000There's such things as breathing to help that out.
00:15:10.000You've been here with Iceman Huff and hear his stuff.
00:15:39.000As where you're able, if you're able to breathe, calm yourself down, you get better sleep, better rest recovery, and the hormones are going to take over your body and repair it.
00:15:46.000What I think about these things is obviously this guy is very impressive.
00:17:38.000Yeah, I don't go around doing touch-butt shit in fights.
00:17:42.000I mean, I stick to what I know, but it is good to learn how to use pain management to stay healthy, myofascial release, and integrate your body so that you are working efficiently and you're not working against yourself.
00:17:53.000I mean, it's awesome to go through these workouts that I do now.
00:17:56.000I mean, I have a different strength conditioning coach, and we stick to a lot of these functional movements, athletic movements, explosive movements, and we do it with a good integrated system to where You know, if I go and I'm banging on this tire and I'm just recklessly, and then I wake up in the morning,
00:18:14.000I mean, it's good to have your body working efficiently, using the right things that need to be used instead of having all the small muscle groups working.
00:18:22.000You know, that's how you get injured these days.
00:18:23.000Yeah, I was reading this post once on a forum.
00:18:26.000I think it might have been the underground where someone was talking about lifting weights and how all their bad sparring sessions come after lifting weights.
00:18:47.000Your tissue's all broken down, and you're exhausted, and it's really a bad idea to spar when you're like that, because then, you know, well, what about mental toughness?
00:19:12.000Getting injured all the time and you know just being self-sufficient learning about little stuff like this could could help you out you know such as things as just a little bit of foam rolling out and then a little bit of correctional exercises that could just help you out a lot more efficiently and there's no I mean I've gotten in arguments where I've went out to Arizona to see some of my friends that ended up leaving Alliance and you know I got into an argument a little bit like a battle this guy's like trying to tell me to I need to widen my base to do this and I'm like we're in a fight that I'm gonna be you know Ten feet,
00:20:07.000There's Robbie Lawler, who's a world champion, bad motherfucker, and then there's Steven Wonderboy Thompson.
00:20:14.000Totally different stance, totally different way of moving, both guys super successful, and who fucking knows what would happen if they fought?
00:20:23.000We really don't know until they fight, right?
00:20:24.000But if Wonderboy met Robbie, he's like, oh man, you're doing it all wrong.
00:20:29.000If he's trying to coach him, but obviously he's not doing it all wrong.
00:21:28.000It's interesting tactically, and if you look at it from a strategic standpoint, like utilizing your skills to the best of your ability, when you're inside the octagon, figuring out what about what you do matches really good against what she does.
00:25:19.000I mean, the last time he fought was like a year ago, and he was fighting at 170. Yeah.
00:25:23.000And now, I mean, obviously a lot of guys that fight 170, they really weigh the 190s, somewhere around there, and then they cut weight to get down to 170, but that is just gigantic.
00:27:15.000Yeah, well it's definitely bullshit when people tap, right?
00:27:19.000It is definitely bullshit when people tap.
00:27:20.000Do you think there's anything that should be changed about the current rules?
00:27:24.000Like if you look at MMA rules, like the way they stand right now, like there's some people that think that the knees on the ground issue, if you don't know the story, MMA has a rule where you can knee someone to the head if they're standing,
00:27:40.000but if they put one hand on the ground, you can't knee them in the head.
00:27:44.000So a lot of guys will put a hand on the ground just to stop the knee, and then they'll lift it up, and then they'll put it down.
00:27:49.000They play almost like a game of like, now I'm safe.
00:30:32.000That reminds me of that movie Concussion with Will Smith and he's talking about the football players that are taking these type of injuries.
00:31:23.000I want to see that guy in the UFC. Yeah, he breakdanced and shit, yeah.
00:31:26.000Well, he was a point karate guy for a long time, and I've always said that there's something about that ability to just jump in real quick and get the fuck out of there.
00:33:01.000Like he's got that wide stance, moves in and out real quick.
00:33:04.000That's what's real hard to deal with, man.
00:33:05.000Because the karate style, like where they jump in and they're used to like leaping in and then they tag each other and get the fuck out of there quick.
00:33:14.000And then they score a point and then everything stops.
00:33:17.000And so they don't have to have like...
00:33:19.000In their sport, they didn't have to have the kind of endurance that you would need to do.
00:33:27.000But the thing about it is that these guys have developed this incredible ability to close distance really quickly.
00:33:33.000Then they pick up all the other skills as well.
00:33:36.000But everybody else has to play catch up on that one thing that they can do.
00:33:40.000The leaping in and close the distance.
00:33:42.000And you get a guy like Paige, who's obviously a gifted athlete, who's been doing it his whole life.
00:33:47.000I mean, he started martial arts, I think, before he was five years old.
00:33:50.000So he's got years and years of experience, plus his body kind of developed, like we were talking about people that start early with gymnastics or with breakdancing.
00:34:00.000His body developed, leaping in, throwing kicks, leaping in, throwing punches.
00:35:39.000Yeah, I mean, part of me likes the fact that he's in Bellator, because I think Bellator needs stars, because I think UFC needs competition, and I like Scott Coker, I like Bellator, I like Jimmy Smith, I like the fact they're doing well, and I would like to see a real legitimate unification fight,
00:37:12.000So I'm cutting down a lot of the events, but I'm doing at least a year.
00:37:17.000So it's like a year-by-year thing, but at least one more year.
00:37:20.000You got a lot of fans supporting you, dude, but you probably want to start enjoying life a little bit and cutting down eventually, and just relaxing and enjoying life a little bit, I bet, huh?
00:37:29.000Well, you know what made me tip the other way?
00:37:32.000I was real convinced that it was over.
00:39:21.000But it could have been that he was just really struggling in camp.
00:39:27.000Look, here's what he took, allegedly, right?
00:39:31.000He took estrogen blockers, and the only reason that anybody takes estrogen blocker on purpose is to restart their testosterone after they do a steroid cycle.
00:39:43.000That's why you take it when you take it on purpose.
00:39:47.000Or unless you have some sort of a biological disorder, I would imagine, where you have some sort of an excess of estrogen in your body, which I don't know why you would have that.
00:41:09.000And the high-level people in MMA make the same amount of money.
00:41:11.000The real argument is, how much money should the people that are putting on the big shows like you, the guys who are putting on fucking incredible, exciting fights, how much should you make to headline a card?
00:41:23.000I know, for me, personally, for my money, if I'm watching Jeremy Stevens fight Conor McGregor, I'm getting out my fucking popcorn.
00:43:12.000A lot of people don't realize when they see the sport now and it's gigantic and it's huge, when you were first fighting and first competing, man, you had to really love what you're doing.
00:43:23.000It wasn't like there was some Ronda Rousey, Conor McGregor paydays that people were getting.
00:43:28.000You know, when you hear about the paydays these people are getting now, like John Jones' manager was saying that John missed out on at least $10 million for his fight with Daniel Cormier.
00:43:37.000And then John Anik was saying that over the two years, it's probably going to cost him as much as $30 to $40 million.
00:43:44.000And you factor in all the super fights he could have had in two years.
00:45:00.000Yeah, he had admitted, but the walls were closing in, all these people were suing him, he was suing people, there was a lot of chaos going on.
00:45:13.000He was definitely doing some shit, though, which is really kind of crazy.
00:45:16.000I don't get why people want to go ride a bike for that long.
00:45:20.000I mean, honestly, you know, since you saw this kind of came in, I've done a lot of cardio and stuff, but I'm like, you know, I've ran up to like a little bit over two hours or around two hours.
00:45:31.000And, you know, I don't want to go ride a bike for fucking seven, eight hours.
00:45:51.000Look, what it is is a mental toughness thing.
00:45:53.000It's like their idea is like they're gonna keep grinding it out, when other people are gonna slowly back off and fade, they're gonna keep going.
00:52:28.000And, you know, he had a, like, for a movie?
00:52:30.000And he put the thing up to his head and didn't realize that the amount of force that comes out, just the air, fractured his skull and killed him.
00:52:41.000Brandon Lee died because it wasn't a blank.
00:52:44.000There was some sort of a particle that was inside the blank and it shot him in the chest.
00:52:50.000And the conspiracy theory, buckle up, black helicopters, the conspiracy theory is the same people that killed Bruce Lee wanted to kill Brandon Lee.
00:53:48.000Yeah, I did security one time, man, and I seen like two dudes fighting, and then it turned into the whole Asian community just throwing bottles, shooting out in the parking lot, you know, just throwing cue balls, chairs, more bottles, and this guy's just laying down in like fetus position.
00:56:54.000The cop completely changed his story after it was over.
00:56:57.000You know, look, there's good and bad, but I didn't see the full video of this, I only saw the end.
00:57:02.000Which really makes you think, like when you see a lot of these interactions that people have with cops, like what led the cop to be so fucking ramped up?
00:57:11.000Well here, now you understand, that guy was risking all sorts of people's lives by riding that motorcycle like a fucking maniac, and then the cop got ahold of him, he bumped him to knock him off the bike, but that kid was fine.
00:58:34.000You're not supposed to cut in and out of traffic the way he was doing, going ridiculously excessive speeds.
00:58:40.000That video, like, when he's cutting off cars and stuff like that, that's how people die, and not necessarily you.
00:58:46.000That happens here in L.A. all the time.
00:58:48.000I was driving down here from San Diego, and I mean, I do that all the time, and those bikers, man, they zone in and out, and I don't hear them coming behind me, because they're flying, and I'm in between traffic, and they...
00:58:57.000Come by and almost scrape your mirrors, and then they're getting mad at you, and you're like, bro, I don't see you.
00:59:15.000Makes sense that they have those those loud pipes like that, but you know I think that cops are just like you and me and one of the things that I think we should all take into consideration is the amount of people that they deal with on a daily basis that are Criminals that are violent that are dangerous that there's just so much shit they have to deal with I just don't think most people are qualified for that job.
00:59:37.000I think that job should be for people that are like Ex-military that are solid as a fucking rock.
00:59:44.000I think it should be super high-paying and should be a really well-respected job.
00:59:47.000And I think those people should be like integrated in whatever community they're enforcing.
00:59:52.000Yeah, you know, I was actually telling this, I don't even know if I told my coach today, but I was thinking, I was like, man, I want to go and like help out the cops and a little bit of like combat and go in and help them out because...
01:00:04.000I mean, if you come up to me and I'm not thinking anything, but I can just quickly pull out a gun and shoot you.
01:00:08.000And sometimes those cops don't know, you know, and they're trying to be nice and then they get killed on the spot or, you know, they may not know and they kill them and maybe it wasn't a gun.
01:00:15.000But, I mean, that's a quick little within...
01:00:18.000You have to make a huge decision in just such a matter of seconds.
01:00:32.000I feel like they definitely need a little bit better education on the training.
01:00:36.000If anybody in San Diego is listening to this or any police, I'd love to come help.
01:00:40.000I'm sure Dominic Cruz and the guys, we'd love to come help.
01:00:44.000Have you guys come into the gym and just keep the community safe?
01:00:47.000It should be mandatory the cops have at least some sort of martial arts training because you know I was talking to big John McCarthy about this where he was telling me How few police officers can even physically defend themselves?
01:01:00.000He's like there's a lot of guys that just don't they don't know anything and they don't work out at all overweight Yeah, and if shit goes down like they're helpless And these are supposed to be the people that are supposed to serve and protect.
01:01:12.000You know, John obviously is a giant dude and plus a black belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and been around martial arts his whole life.
01:01:19.000But, you know, when you're dealing with someone who is an explosive, dangerous person that might be a felon their whole life, and you're someone who has no experience at all in any kind of hand-to-hand combat situation, you're in a bad spot.
01:01:34.000You know, a lot of them don't know, and I've even been in, like, training with, like, the Army and military and Wounded Warriors.
01:01:42.000I mean, I've trained a lot of people, and a lot of people don't even know the basics of just hand fighting and how hand fighting is very important, especially if someone's holding a gun.
01:01:49.000You know, they don't even know that or know chokes, and it's like, wow, that's crazy.
01:01:52.000They don't know basic stuff, you know?
01:02:05.000You know, and then you run into that guy, and he's like being all cool, and then boom, all of a sudden he's like trying to snap your neck.
01:02:09.000Well, that guy was crazy, because he was super skilled, but a fucking legit gangster, criminal, pulled off the biggest armed heist in European history, right?
01:03:49.000There's always that dog in you, you know?
01:03:51.000I mean, you've probably been away from competition for a while, but, I mean, you still like to grapple and just get after it.
01:03:57.000Like, in your gym, I always see you hitting it.
01:03:58.000But, I mean, just as a man or a competitor, you always have that type of...
01:04:03.000I mean, eventually you've got to let it go, and eventually your time's going to pass.
01:04:05.000But, I mean, you're always going to have that drive.
01:04:07.000And, you know, running or doing something like that or swimming is always going to probably keep that passion, that drive that's still in you.
01:04:14.000So it's probably good to kind of release that and go out there.
01:04:17.000I think it's definitely good to push yourself in some sort of a way.
01:04:20.000Because I think where a lot of guys, it's really a classic story with boxers especially.
01:04:26.000They stop competing, and then they get into hard drugs.
01:04:54.000A lot of those guys, they stop fighting.
01:04:56.000And then there's also the thought of, you know, you have a long career of getting hit in the head, and then you'd want to self-medicate after it's over.
01:05:06.000Like, a lot of these guys, they have issues with their...
01:05:10.000Their systems, like their endocrine systems, they have issues with their pituitary gland, a lot of depression comes in, and they start trying to fix that with alcohol or fix that feeling with cocaine.
01:05:27.000Well, prescription drugs are a real problem because a lot of guys get injured, and then they go to a doctor, or they've got a problem in their lumbar or something like that, or a bulging disc.
01:05:48.000It's a pretty sick show, The Rock's the Man.
01:05:50.000And you kind of see that and you're like, man, that kind of makes sense that, you know, most likely that they are shooting them up and get back on the field.
01:05:57.000And, you know, when you're in that moment, you're not thinking about it.
01:05:59.000But then in the longevity, you know, like that movie Concussion, you know, the one guy from the Steelers was going down the opposite way and smashes into a car, was wanting to kill his family and just snaps out, you know, and that's just that's just crazy, man.
01:06:12.000Well, you know, head injuries are no fucking joke, man.
01:06:15.000And that was one of the things that Brock was talking about with WWE. That earlier in his career, he had issues.
01:06:22.000Where he was, you know, those guys are fucking flipping each other and landing.
01:06:27.000People could say that's fake wrestling.
01:06:34.000Those guys getting body slammed, that all counts.
01:06:36.000Cutting themselves, and then, you know, tacks like Mankind used to do, and falling off the cages and the tables, and then those metal chairs, and they would just bash them over.
01:07:25.000My manager was just telling me about Jake the Snake.
01:07:28.000There's a documentary on Netflix and it's just sad that that guy, he went to alcoholism, to depression, was in a trailer, just went from having everything to those injuries and self-medication and the drug and alcohol addiction and stuff.
01:07:44.000That life of being a pro wrestler is so fucking difficult.
01:07:49.000They don't get nearly enough credit for what they do.
01:07:51.000Those guys are on the road sometimes 260 plus days a year, and they are throwing each other through fucking doors and smashing each other in the head and fucking all the stunts that they have to do, all the flips and all the craziness.
01:08:06.000While lifting like meatheads too, juicing up.
01:09:36.000It's uh, I mean no one could talk about it better than you.
01:09:40.000I mean you're a professional cage fighter.
01:09:42.000It's one of the most dangerous jobs in all sports.
01:09:44.000I started just fighting for just kind of defend myself going through different schools and getting bullied and you know I started fighting fighting but then uh once I kind of got into the sport and my uncle who kind of led me into this my grandpa and then I started fighting at uh 16 years old and I was fighting like grown men and adults and In MMA fights?
01:10:29.000He's seen me get into a couple of street fights, you know, and he's like, you know, he knew I was wrestling.
01:10:35.000I'd always kind of get scrapping wrestling because I used to just crossface people real hard and I'd always kind of get into a little scrapping match or whatever.
01:10:41.000And he invited me out there, and Josh Neer was the man out there at the time, and I was 16 years old.
01:10:46.000And I go out there, and I just start fighting.
01:10:48.000And then, like, once I did that, and then, like, my first fight, and then my older sister, she was there, and, like, there was, like, these strippers that were there.
01:11:13.000Now I look back today and I'm like, man, here I am making thousands of dollars, traveling the world, meeting people, sitting down here to the podcast, Joe Rogan.
01:11:20.000I'm like, damn, dude, this fighting really took me very far.
01:12:29.000I'm sure you've seen it, I was going to say, of the video of some dude came into the gym and challenged him, some big-ass dude, and he beat the fuck out of the guy.
01:13:04.000And Josh is like, okay, bro, I don't even know you.
01:13:06.000But, you know, I thought everything was cool.
01:13:07.000And so out of nowhere, he meets the guy.
01:13:10.000Says, alright man, I'm gonna get out of here.
01:13:12.000And then the guy just starts talking crazy shit after he left.
01:13:14.000And then he keeps harassing Josh and Josh is like, okay bro, I don't get why you're coming at me, but you want to come to the gym, sign the waiver, we can go at it.
01:13:23.000Guys, by the way, way bigger than him.
01:13:35.000And he comes in, and I guess Josh sparred a little bit, but he's kind of like conserving.
01:13:39.000And he's like, because I figured this guy was going to come in.
01:13:41.000And he said he came in, and then he's like, let's go.
01:13:44.000And then they laced up and then they fought and then Josh just kind of, you know, just walked forward, just kept his hands up, let the guy kind of bomb and get tired and he eventually took him down and started putting it on him.
01:14:14.000There was some weirdness going on because it was all over the internet and everybody was talking about what Nir did was kind of fucked up and I'm like, well, I don't know, man.
01:14:22.000When a guy comes to your gym and wants to fight like that, that's a weird predicament for a professional fighter to be in, but it's real common.
01:14:30.000Like, dojo wars have always been common.
01:15:06.000I think that's always going to be the case.
01:15:08.000If you have a place that teaches people how to fight, there's always going to be some fucking wackadoo who thinks he knows how to fight and wants to go in there and duke it out.
01:15:15.000These street guys, man, I don't get it.
01:15:17.000I seen Dominick Cruz on a video not that long ago, an old school video of beating some thug.
01:16:27.000This guy, I guess he was just a crazy person, and these guys exist, that pretended he knew martial arts, and I think he thought he was just gonna go in there and work out or something, and so he's like throwing these little, he's got like a little something, throwing some kicks,
01:16:43.000but look, he's not, it's not even like he's really trying to hit him, it seems.
01:20:23.000I was hoping to get Aldo, you know, but I mean, you know, I know Max Holloway is in front of me and the guys who are in front of me right now are all coming off loss, yeah.
01:24:14.000Yeah, well, there's certain levels of knockout power.
01:24:17.000Yeah, honestly, man, back in the day, dude, I used to throw him around a lot, so I think he just knew that he just wasn't going to try to engage with me, and he just was going to stay away.
01:24:28.000It's like some guys like you just have certain...
01:24:32.000Yeah, there's just no getting around that.
01:24:35.000There's certain guys that no matter what they do, they'll have great technique, they'll win fights, they'll even knock guys out, but they'll never just be able to just step in and rumble Johnson somebody.
01:25:22.000Like, if you incorporated all those other techniques that you see these other guys doing as well, like, you know, have you ever thought of that?
01:25:28.000Like, maybe just expanding what you do, and also tripping people out, too, because people expect a certain kind of fight from you, because you're so aggressive, you're so, you know, moving forward all the time that if you fought in a different way, it would probably fuck people up.
01:25:44.000Yeah, I mean, I'm always trying to work on everything because I feel like you have to be adapting using the Charles Darwin theory.
01:25:50.000It's not the strongest or the smartest.
01:25:51.000It's the person who's willing to adapt to change.
01:25:53.000That's going to be around the longest.
01:25:55.000And you got so many young, talented kids coming up, you know, like...
01:26:00.000Just young, you know, like little Max Holloway, Yair Rodriguez, like these little Pettis, little Pettis bro.
01:27:51.000I look at that and I'm like, I see the type of level that is at, but it was a boring fight, but then I also felt like it was kind of weird.
01:27:59.000I didn't see Frankie moving like he did.
01:28:00.000It made me kind of think maybe he was injured.
01:28:04.000He's a little old guy, too, and Jose's a lot bigger than him, and he's had his number.
01:28:10.000Well, Aldo looked big in that fight, too.
01:28:13.000He looked smaller for the McGregor fight, and I think he concentrated a lot more on strength and conditioning for this fight, and he looked like Aldo of old.
01:28:20.000He looked like the Aldo that knocked out Mendez in Brazil.
01:28:34.000I bet he did, because he did look great that fight, and he did fight a smart fight, and I just felt like he could have finished Frankie.
01:28:42.000I felt like he could have did a little bit more, but then I also heard that he didn't want to throw kicks, and he only used his left hand because he had some snitches telling him...
01:28:50.000Like that Frankie was going to take him down off kicks, you know, which...
01:29:59.000I look up to that guy a lot in the way he's kind of handled his career.
01:30:02.000And who's to say within, you know, what if I go in there in the next like three, four fights, I'm just getting KO'd.
01:30:07.000And then it's like, okay, it's like Sam Stott's like, man, maybe it's time for me to hang up.
01:30:10.000You know then then I would definitely leave home if I'm getting ruined like that and hurting myself I don't want to be brain dead or talking about killing my family because I have trauma injuries or anything like that so definitely not but I definitely want to I have an extra strategy and things that I want to do but as of right now I feel healthy I want I want to keep fighting that's like I said I tell Sean Shelby I'm like man keep me active dude I don't want to fight twice a year You know,
01:30:35.000And I just want to keep fighting because I just want to be right back in the mix.
01:30:38.000Even if I had to go out of top 10 right now because everybody else is kind of lost and I've already fought people or they already got fights, you know, let somebody else from like the 11th or 12th, 13th guy in the rankings who's coming off a win...
01:30:49.000Let's me and him fight, and then we can get right back in the mix so that we can get those Jose Aldos, those Connors, because I want to keep the featherweight exciting, the featherweight division.
01:30:58.000I feel like a lot more athletic, explosive, and I want those exciting fights.
01:31:02.000I haven't fought them guys, and I feel like those are great fights for me to go out there and really excel, make some big money, and win, and really just shock the world.
01:31:09.000Well, you've been killing it at featherweight.
01:32:34.000I can basically just go into the computer, type in my weight, the times that I'm training, the hours that I'm training to, the intensity, and then I type in my weight.
01:32:43.000I wake up in the morning, weigh myself, And then I type that into the computer, and then the computer just goes off of day-to-day basics.
01:32:50.000Like, say if I don't have kefir, I can substitute for egg whites, and it's all computerized.
01:32:54.000If I need any help or I'm like, hey, I'm not doing this, he'll adjust a little bit of things for me.
01:32:59.000It's basically right there on the computer.
01:33:00.000Do you get blood work done where you find your nutrient levels or find what you need or what you need to supplement with?
01:33:22.000It's all computerized, so you write your weight, you type your weight in, and you type what you say if you've got a strength and conditioning day, and he adjusts your caloric intake accordingly?
01:34:32.000He told me that he was actually a chunkier kid growing up and then he just got into diet and nutrition and losing weight and then he got into the military and helping out the military with nutrition.
01:34:45.000That's interesting that he's devised a computer program.
01:34:48.000I haven't heard of anybody else that does that where you can enter in all the data and it gives you instant results.
01:35:12.000So when you work with him, say if you start now and you're 177 pounds, how much time do you need to get down to 145 and what do you weigh before you start the big cut, before you dehydrate yourself?
01:35:26.000I would only need nine weeks, nine, ten weeks, and I'll be ready to go.
01:36:03.000And now, you know, with these runs and burning fats, I've learned how to stay smart and learn like, okay, now you need three weeks hard and then like a week of recovery like on runs.
01:36:14.000And running like after, say we do like 75 minutes of just straight wrestling, and then I'll go run another 45 to an hour just at a real low pace that I'm just burning fats, burning calories.
01:36:25.000And like throughout the week, I'm burning like a pound and a half to two pounds per week, just depending on my body fat.
01:36:31.000And as slowly I get down, I just keep niching, niching, niching.
01:36:34.000And then come time to the weight cut, I'm only cutting, you know, 12 pounds.
01:36:38.000You know, granted I've cut a lot over the time, but I've burned a lot of body fat.
01:36:42.000And then at that point, your body starts to just rejuvenate and you're recovering and you're burning more than you're eating.
01:37:03.000I'm looking at a guy like you, you know, if I didn't know any better, like if I wasn't involved in the sport, and I saw a guy like you that's 177, 175, whatever you're at, and someone said, you're going to fight at 145, I'd be like, what?
01:37:18.000Like, you're not, he doesn't have any fat to lose.
01:37:20.000Like, I'm looking at you like, you don't have, you're not fat at all at 175. I've always been solid.
01:37:25.000I've never been real fluffed up or anything.
01:37:29.000I've always just been one of those solid guys.
01:37:32.000You've never seen me get tossed around or anything like that.
01:38:08.000Just like, I don't know, man, you just go through breakthroughs.
01:38:11.000Like when you don't want to run and it's like you're tired after 75 minutes and you're like, man, fuck, dude, I got to do this run.
01:38:16.000But then when you do it, and you're like, man, I don't want to do it.
01:38:18.000Like, you got 20 more minutes, and you're just like, 20 more minutes.
01:38:21.000And I'm like, okay, I'm going to pick up the pace a little bit, or I'm going to keep going through.
01:38:24.000Sometimes you'll just kind of get ran down, ran down, and then all of a sudden you'll hit that final run or next run and then boom, you have a breakthrough.
01:38:31.000Next thing you know, next week you're recovering a little bit faster.
01:38:34.000You notice that the fresh guys that are coming in, they're getting more tired than you in just one round.
01:38:39.000And you start having these little mental breakthroughs and these little psychological steps.
01:42:21.000I'll hit up some of my friends like, no, no, no, no.
01:42:23.000I'll have one guy come in and run with me a few times, but sometimes I find myself alone or my strength conditioning coach will put us through a workout, and then I'll go run another 45, 75, or an hour and a half, and I'll look to my left, look to my right, and no one's there.
01:43:36.000He's just a quiet guy, doesn't need a lot of attention.
01:43:39.000I always put him in the category of like, Mark Henry's another one of those guys, doesn't get enough credit, just sort of like lays back, is not like one of those guys that puts a lot of the spotlight on himself.
01:44:55.000He's cutting a lot of weight and I don't know if he was doing it properly or whatnot, but he just didn't like it and he likes finding 55. Ross likes to lift and he's a big dude.
01:45:09.000It takes everything I got, but I kind of like putting it to that point where it's breaking the edge, you know, because there's a point where, like, I'm nice, I'm fine, you know, like, you fight.
01:45:20.000You know, the whole weigh-in thing, we'll get into that a little bit later, about how you can weigh in early and then you eat.
01:45:26.000I kind of like that edge, you know, where I feel like I'm dying and then, like, I look that guy in the eye who's, you know, I think about who he could beat me or this and that, you know, I'm training for him the whole camp.
01:45:35.000I kind of like that edge, that switch, that meanness.
01:46:18.000You know, Conor McGregor's coach was talking about that he thinks that Conor not cutting weight was probably a bad thing for him.
01:46:25.000And that, you know, fighting Diaz and just being able to eat whatever he wanted and not go through the grueling pattern that he's gone through all these other fights.
01:48:05.000I mean, George Lockhart, he may be changing that for me because of his nutrition that he's there.
01:48:10.000His whole team's there just feed me coming in, knocking on my hotel room and like, eat this, do this at this time, and it just makes it easier.
01:48:18.000And then, you know, they rehydrate me properly, and I believe in those guys and my team and the rehydration, and I feel the same.
01:48:37.000One of my doctors, Brad Archer, back home said that he gave me...
01:48:41.000A lot of tips, you know, because when this came in, I'm like, I'm freaking out.
01:48:43.000I'm like, fuck, dude, they're taking me these IVs.
01:48:45.000I'm going to have to go back to 55. You know, I'm freaking out, you know, and they were sending me all this stuff, you know, and I read a lot about it because I was like, all right, well, do this.
01:48:53.000And then I met Daryl Christian, one of my wrestling coaches, who's a phenom, Olympian, and he's just like, we got to put in this road work, dude.
01:49:01.000He's like, we got to start building you a cardio base.
01:49:02.000He's like, you've always just killed yourself, killed yourself, and then had to kill yourself making weight.
01:49:07.000He's like, you never built a cardio base.
01:49:26.000What is it like the VO2 max, the reason why people do that is because a lot of people wanted to know how they would build endurance.
01:49:33.000And people think that you just need to sprint, sprint, sprint, sprint, sprint, and you're going to be in good shape.
01:49:37.000Granted, you might be in good shape, but none of them had a low base cardio where they would just run at like say like a 4.8 or 5.0 on a treadmill for a long period of time.
01:49:46.000And that's actually how you build the anaerobic system a lot better is through low-base cardio.
01:50:08.000It's real low weight, but it's just constant pressure.
01:50:10.000Because you got that guy who's going to sprint, and he's going to head out, and then he's going to drop down in that round, and the guy might be here.
01:50:17.000But then he's going to sprint, but then he's just going to slowly start to pull.
01:50:20.000And that's how Diaz, he slowly just kind of passes you.
01:50:23.000The guy may sprint and be punching and punching, but then he just sticks.
01:52:17.000That's interesting that you're a big proponent of that long, slow style because that was one of the things that some people that weren't fighters but were strength and conditioning people would say that that's not going to benefit you.
01:52:31.000You know, they would say that's not what you need to do in a fight because a fight is, you know, explosion, it's fast, you don't have that slow running thing.
01:52:38.000But old school, like old school boxers, they all ran like that.
01:52:52.000I mean, five miles, you could probably get done within low pace, you know, 35, 45 minutes.
01:52:57.000You know, that's kind of interesting because my strength and conditioning coach now, George Castro, he used to work out with Don Frye, and he'd just be like...
01:53:02.000He'd be like, man, one day I was stretching, and then Don's like, what the fuck are you doing?
01:54:52.000Yeah, throwing fucking tires around a parking lot and sledgehammering a tire.
01:54:57.000There's Onnit kettlebells that look like they're 10 pounds that weigh like 100. Well, have you ever done the Keith Weber extreme kettlebell cardio workout?
01:58:03.000It's a natural, good feeling that I have.
01:58:05.000I'm 30 years old and never injected anything in my life.
01:58:08.000And I like that high and the mental aspect of it.
01:58:13.000And that's kind of interesting, too, because people who do take steroids, it's like, man, now that that little edge that they got, that little high that they were getting, they're just like, yeah, I'm killing it.
01:58:21.000But then when they stop doing that, mentally, they get fucked, dude.
01:58:24.000They're like, dude, like, man, am I still the same guy?
01:58:37.000Do you ever see Dan Gable or hear him talk about that when he was competing against the Russians back during the doping days where the Russians, he knew they were all on steroids, but his philosophy was...
01:58:47.000They just got banned from the Olympics, too.
01:58:51.000They were about to get banned totally, but they pulled back, and they got a real problem with Brazil.
01:58:56.000Do you hear those Australian people who are staying in the Olympic Village?
01:59:01.000They're like, this fucking place, the toilets are all backed up, there's electrical wires hanging out of the fucking walls, it's not safe, and...
01:59:07.000What's over the Dan Gable thing though?
01:59:29.000He felt like he had a mental advantage over guys that did steroids, the guys that cheated, that they were not going to be able to beat him.
01:59:42.000Like I said, when you're doing these runs and these mental breakthroughs and you're really putting in the work and when it's all said and done and then you're peaking and everything kind of wears off and everything's just flowing, right?
01:59:50.000It's like you just look in the mirror and you're like, look at that guy and you're just like, dude, There's nothing that you can do that's going to break me.
01:59:57.000I've already been broken down many of times.
02:00:02.000And then when you're in that complete...
02:00:04.000When you've pushed yourself past your limits and you've had those mental breakthroughs of where you've thought about quitting, but then you kept going, and then you did it again and again and again, and you keep pushing.
02:01:29.000Yep, neck, pecs, subscap, you know, I get in my, you know, breaking up my abdominals, getting into my calves, you know, when I'm at home, you know, because I get like rehab from Have you ever used one of these things,
02:06:17.000I've tested the water of taking strips and tested it out, but no, I haven't tested my blood to see if I am.
02:06:23.000The only time I've done that was with...
02:06:25.000When I took, like, the piss test to test my rehydration and stuff, the guy, he'll even let you, like, look it in the scope, the USADA guy, you know, he comes in, he's like, all right, pull your pants down, start peeing.
02:06:34.000And then he'll put it in there, and the guy, he was like, the last time I did it, he's like, look at the light, see that?
02:06:40.000And, like, I was pretty high, and he's like, this is good.
02:06:42.000He's like, that means you're really hydrated.
02:08:01.000It strips you of minerals because your water is supposed to be attached to all these minerals, and when you're just drinking only distilled water, your body kind of freaks out?
02:08:30.000I remember I was in Sacramento, I think, and there was a, maybe it was San Jose, I don't remember, but it was a local radio show had a contest to drink the most water to win a PlayStation, and this lady drank so much water she died.
02:09:03.000It just talks about the claims of alkaline water, and it really says there's no legit studies that even say that it'll do anything to you, or that you can even make it change to an alkaline state.
02:09:16.000Yeah, see, that's what I've seen, that the variables, the variation is so small that you're not going to get that from water.
02:09:45.000He'd probably know more than we would.
02:09:47.000The only thing it does say that might be why it says kidney patients should avoid alkaline water, which is why athletes and exercisers are one subgroup who might benefit from drinking it.
02:09:57.000I don't know what that statement really means.
02:15:04.000It's a perspective issue with a lot of people, but the way you approach different scenarios in your life has a huge impact on how you feel.
02:15:14.000And as an athlete, especially I would imagine as a fighter, it's very important to maintain a healthy mindset and to keep your stress levels at a very low level.
02:15:53.000Like, if you're dating some crazy girl, or if you're a girl and you're dating a crazy guy, and they, like, a lot of people, if they're not getting enough attention from you, they start drama.
02:16:22.000I definitely am open to all sorts of possibilities post-life.
02:16:28.000I don't think that I have any sort of lock on what happens that I haven't experienced.
02:16:34.000So for me to say that there's no God or that there isn't some omnipresent entity or energy or something that is the guiding force of the universe...
02:16:49.000I mean, I think human beings, we are in some sort of strange state of development, where we're aware of our own existence, we're aware of life, we're aware of certain rules that the universe seems to follow, where the universe seems to be,
02:17:05.000everything seems to be constantly in motion and changing.
02:17:08.000You know, whether it is the orbit of planets, whether it is the biological life on planets, whether it's the life of stars.
02:17:18.000Things have a life, and they come and they go, and then even galaxies themselves.
02:17:24.000Every galaxy in the center of every galaxy is a supermassive black hole that's one half of 1% of the entire mass of the galaxy.
02:17:31.000And that supermassive black hole is sucking that galaxy into its fucking center, into the event horizon.
02:17:38.000When you see these spiral galaxies, at the center of those spiral galaxies is a black hole that's absorbing all the matter, slowly but surely, of that galaxy.
02:17:49.000And no one knows what is going on in that black hole.
02:17:52.000They don't understand what it is, they have theories, but One of the theories of black holes is that inside every black hole is potentially a whole nother universe.
02:18:04.000So, there's hundreds of billions of galaxies.
02:18:06.000Each galaxy has a supermassive black hole in the center of it, and inside each one of those galaxies may be hundreds of millions of other galaxies, hundreds of millions of other universes.
02:18:19.000So, the idea that anybody could sit here and tell you, there's no God, man.
02:18:24.000I think it's incredibly arrogant when people say there is no God.
02:18:28.000What I think is that religion clearly shows the hand of man.
02:18:33.000It clearly shows the manipulation of other human beings where they have taken Some universal rules.
02:18:41.000Like, there's some universal golden rules.
02:18:43.000Treat others the way you would like to be treated.
02:18:46.000Understanding that loving each other, brothers and sisters and friends and community, has massive benefits and you feel connected to each other and it is the right way to be.
02:19:00.000The love that you have for your children.
02:19:01.000I know the love that I have for my children or the love that I have for my wife or my friends or people that are close to me.
02:19:08.000There's a beauty in that that is magical.
02:19:13.000And I don't know if that beauty and that magic is to...
02:19:17.000It's to enforce a sense of community so that we can continue to breed, so that we're rewarded, these natural reward systems, so that we can continue to foster life and that we can continue to evolve and grow.
02:19:31.000But I know that the best things in life are...
02:19:36.000They're connected to love and I would think that if there's any guiding force any beautiful force of the universe It is that love and even the love of the beauty of the universe itself There's a love that I get when like last night I went out on my porch and I smoked a little doob and I looked up at the stars and I was I Fell in love with the stars man.
02:19:56.000I feel love when I look out into the universe I mean I think that's one of my favorite things to do is look at stars just look up and go fuck Dude, I'm the big same way, dude.
02:20:07.000That's funny, I'm always looking up at the moon like, man, it's full moon tonight, look at the stars.
02:20:11.000You hear a crazy thing floating in the sky, one quarter the size of the earth, and it's just floating up there.
02:20:17.000Especially when you're out in the middle of nowhere, like it's out in the woods, and you look up and it's just pure dark, and you're just like, man, look at that, dude.
02:22:11.000The Keck Observatory in the Big Island.
02:22:14.000And the way the Big Island is set up, they have special diffused lighting so that the street lights don't provide light pollution...
02:22:23.000So you can see everything, and you go through the clouds, and dude, it looks like that.
02:22:27.000When you're up there, I think it's like, I want to say like 13,000 feet above sea level, but when you look up at the sky, dude, you see the Milky Way, like the full Milky Way.
02:23:17.000I really feel like there's something going on with people today and one of the things with the arrogance of human beings and The ridiculous way we behave I think part of it is connected to the fact that we don't see space anymore I think space is so humbling and it I think it's psychedelic when I I don't even have to do I don't have to smoke pot I have to do anything when I go to Hawaii and I look up I get high It puts me in perspective.
02:23:46.000You're on this strange, circular spaceship that's hurling through infinity, and above you is an infinite number of giant explosions, huge fireballs in the sky that are just floating there.
02:24:04.000I just think a lot of people, they use religion and God as a scaffolding to try to be a good person and to try to have rules and to try to have structure in their life and to try to give themselves something to look forward to,
02:24:21.000I think there's a lot of good things that religion provides people.
02:24:26.000But I also think it provides people with a lot of excuses to be shitty to people, a lot of hate, you know, a lot of, I mean, especially ancient religions that suppress women or suppress gay people or suppress people's rights in any way,
02:24:42.000shape or form based on this idea that, you know, it's ancient scripture tells them they're not supposed to do certain things.
02:25:32.000Aramaic if you go to the Dead Sea Scrolls are in Aramaic and the Dead Sea Scrolls contain a lot of the stories that are in the ancient Bibles and it's like it's really convoluted the translation between Aramaic to Latin to Greek to back to English it's like you lose a lot and then in ancient Hebrew and in ancient Hebrew also Words double as numbers.
02:28:00.000And like you said, I'm still right there in the mix.
02:28:02.000So then when it all pans out, I'm right there.
02:28:04.000But you being so big though, here's my question.
02:28:08.000Let's say there's a big title fight coming up.
02:28:10.000Say if Aldo, who just won the interim title, is going to defend his title against someone else in the top ten, and you see that coming up, and you don't have a fight scheduled, do you start training thinking maybe someone can get injured and you might get that call?
02:28:25.000Because MMA, particularly the UFC, is notorious for last-minute fallouts where guys get injured.
02:28:33.000Right after my fight was right before UFC 200. So right as I got done, I was 100% healthy, had no injuries.
02:28:40.000I was like, hey, I just want to let you know.
02:28:43.000I know maybe some people are ahead of me, but I go, let you know I'm going to be ready and 100%.
02:31:37.000I've always been a fan, dude, and I know you always represented me very well, and I watched that podcast that you were doing, dude, and I just thought that was awesome, you know, and a lot of people are like, hey man, Joe Rogan gives you a lot of love, and I kept my shorts, and I was like, man, I gotta get back on the podcast, and I was like, you know what, this guy actually offered me some money,
02:31:52.000and I was gonna sell him, and I was like, nah, man, I gotta give him to my man Joe.