Justin Wren talks about his return to the Bellator octagon after a 5 year break, how he got back into the fight game, and how he managed to get back in the ring after 5 years away. He also talks about the challenges he faced in his first fight back, and why he decided to go back to Africa. Justin Wren is a long time Bellator fighter and has been in the organization for over 5 years. He is also the author of the new book, Fight For Your Life: How to Live Your Best Life in the Fight Game, which is out now. He is a former Bellator Light Heavyweight Champion and is one of the most respected fighters in the sport. He has also been featured in the New York Times, USA Today, USA TODAY, and USA Today Magazine. He also has a new book out called Fight for Your Life . which you should definitely check out! Justin also discusses his experience with malaria in Africa and how it has changed his life and how to deal with it in this day to day life. We hope you enjoy this episode and stay tuned for more of his stories and stories from his life in the UFC! -Jon Sorrentino & Rory Mcgregor - . . . , . , , and & . . & ! and . - . and . , . And much more! - And we hope you guys enjoy this one! -Jon Wren in this episode of Fight Night at UFC 246. -JRE is a great place to be at UFC. , UFC 246, UFC 246 and UFC 246 at UFC 244, and we look forward to seeing him back in UFC 246 in the future! and much more!! - JRE is coming back to the UFC in 2020, and more! ! - and we hope that you have a great fight night in the next episode of UFC 246 next year, and much, much more - and we will be back in 2020! - and much much more. - and more. ...and much more, -and so much more... :D ( ) Thank you for listening to Fight Night, ... xoxo, Justin Wernans XOXO - - jon jonathan <3 ~
00:00:32.000And I hadn't even really trained any at that point.
00:00:35.000I was just doing the wells and going to Congo and then got back into fighting and only had a little bit of time to train, but it was okay.
00:00:45.000How much time did you have before your first fight?
00:00:47.000I think, actually, whenever I was here with you, I fibbed a little where I said it was a little longer because I didn't know if my opponent was going to watch or whatever.
00:03:04.000Yeah, that was the opportunity I got because of this.
00:03:07.000It was tough doing the talk, and then whenever I got into Congo, they told me I had the flu in London, and the doctor's there, and that's what I feel like here, too.
00:03:18.000There can be tropical medicine specialists here, and they're probably really great, but I would trust a doctor that's lived in the climate, the tropical climate around malaria, that's seen it, that's treated it, that knows all the symptoms.
00:03:29.000One knows to look for it, because no one gets it over here.
00:03:32.000Yeah, and so whenever I got into Congo, I flew from work to Congo, and whenever I landed, instead of going straight to the forest, they took me to an airstrip at a hospital out in the middle of nowhere.
00:03:45.000So I landed, went straight to the hospital, and then right there, they're like, you don't have the flu, you have malaria.
00:03:51.000And I'm like, but I've been in the States, I just fought, and then I've, in Europe, like there's no malaria really there.
00:04:00.000But it was because it's still living inside me.
00:04:02.000There's like, I think there's three strands, one to live in your body for three years, five years.
00:04:06.000I think the other is like 30 to life or something.
00:04:18.000Yeah, like training for a fight, or right after the fight.
00:04:20.000Right after the fight, I went to London, spoke, then I went to Congo.
00:04:23.000But right after the fight, so you're recovering from malaria, you go through your six-week fight camp, you have your fight, you run down, and then after the fight you got malaria again?
00:05:25.000And I had a couple things that happened where, you know, I started trying to take the anti-malaria meds, but it's the only medicine I've ever really reacted to.
00:07:09.000It's a crazy, crazy place, because you go from Congo, where they have all these tropical diseases, and you go, I don't know, same continent, you just go over a little bit, and there's all these other kinds of parasites.
00:07:20.000Like, in Congo, they have very little of a...
00:07:23.000I believe they're called jiggers, with a J. Be very careful when you say that word.
00:07:49.000Well, honestly, I think one reason with poverty, the kids don't get shoes until they can work and buy them, and the elderly, if they're not able to work and provide for themselves, it's harder for them to get shoes and stuff, but...
00:08:02.000Also, it's just where they live, because on the sandy, it's either sandy or the clayish or silty soil that's real red in Uganda.
00:08:11.000Man, it just wreaks havoc on those kids to where they're having to have people come in every week to different villages, sit there with safety pins and all sorts of these little hooks that they dig into the people's feet.
00:08:25.000Whenever I've seen people getting it done, they're literally putting their, and I've had one in my foot, and it kind of came and gone.
00:08:32.000It's not that bad when it's just one, but whenever your whole foot or your whole heel or all the, you know, the balls of your feet are just covered in, I mean, I'm talking 20, 30, 40, 50 of these parasites, and they're just brutal.
00:08:45.000So every step you see them, when they're walking, they're grimacing.
00:08:49.000When you're taking it out, they're screaming.
00:09:10.000Well, obviously, from the outside, that's what it looks like.
00:09:14.000Someone like me who tries to pay attention as much as I can, but there's only so much you could actually know about it without being there, I think, right?
00:09:23.000I think whenever you get there, I don't know, fall in love with the people and develop the relationships, that's why you can see past all the garbage, all the discomfort.
00:09:37.000You said that you were held up with corruption, Congo corruption.
00:10:31.000But then you have to come in and out of the country every 11 months because if you don't, you lose that five-year visa.
00:10:36.000And so whenever I left with my wife, literally, just so that they can get money out of us and steal and be able to ask for $1,400, sometimes $2,500 to get a visa like this, they write down on your visa when they stamp it the date they write it in.
00:11:27.000I've never seen it like that, but it was cool.
00:11:31.000So I went, and it helped because that saved me some money that I was going to have to pay to try to get out of the corruption and stuff.
00:11:38.000But luckily, when we went there, they didn't think I would just drop and be there in five, six, seven days.
00:11:44.000I took off, went, and we spent three weeks trying to just negotiate with the courts and everything else and say, look, you guys did this, you set me up, all this other stuff.
00:11:54.000Trying to prove them wrong, they're never wrong.
00:12:22.000Yeah, they do it on purpose so that for me and my wife both, they made it the same date, which was like six months or eight months early.
00:12:30.000Like we left earlier than what we did.
00:12:33.000So from the outside, when you're visiting them, do they think somehow or another that you're wealthy and that they can take advantage of you?
00:13:15.000No, it's okay, but I do that because, you know, when I go, and really, it's not because I'm on TV or anything like that, or they think I have money.
00:13:26.000They just think anyone that's not Congolese has money.
00:13:28.000And so, because that's what they've seen from people coming in and throwing money around.
00:14:10.000But it's weird because whenever people come, I guess they're more acclimated to it, but it still kills so many.
00:14:21.000But whenever I get it, they're saying, you know, the doctor here told me because of the malaria meds, it would be better for you to go because you're already getting sick with medicine.
00:14:30.000Just go, get malaria, and then get it.
00:14:34.000Diagnosed quick enough get the cure and now your body's actually gonna adapt to it and the next time you get it'll be less and less Wait a minute.
00:14:44.000It's like one of the worst diseases a person can get, right?
00:14:46.000Yeah, but honestly I've seen people even even Ben Ben's nuts like the year that I was there he had malaria and Now, it's almost killed him before, too, but he had malaria like three or four times in a year, and it's just kind of really, really common there.
00:15:03.000But once you, if you can survive it the first couple times, then they say after that it gets more bearable because you feel it coming.
00:15:10.000You feel the heat waves coming over you, and then you feel the shoulder joint pains and elbows, and it just, down your whole spine and Yeah.
00:17:41.000Now, all the kids love them, everything else, but you get these like corsages or fake flowers that they put real big up top and then they are streamers with literal bells and whistles.
00:19:13.000Yeah, whenever it comes to September, October, November, around homecoming time, high school, this is people's jobs.
00:19:21.000Seasonal jobs, they sit around and they take special orders, they make them for you, or they sell them to where you can make them yourself.
00:19:36.000I would like to find out where the tradition came from probably, but people are just so ingrained in you if you're a Texan that you have to get mums.
00:21:33.000And I took her to the game, and I'm up in the stands with her, and halftime comes around.
00:21:40.000I'm up at the very top left, and all of a sudden everyone looks back up over the right shoulders at us.
00:21:47.000And this one guy is kind of my bully through...
00:21:52.000Elementary and middle school for sure and his name was Justin as well and so he walks up and Puts his arm out To her and she puts her arm around his and he grabs the streamer that says Justin and Jessica and the year on it or whatever and he says Thanks for getting her this and I'm like what he goes you didn't think she'd come with you Did you and so he just kind of walks down all the schools look in there all laughing?
00:22:15.000having fun And that one hurt, but what was worse was the next year, because, you know, people liked that part of, I don't know, I think...
00:22:26.000For me, when I see bullying now, I just spoke out of middle school and I told one of the teachers asked, what should you tell a kid that's battling with suicidal thoughts or depression, even maybe suicidal thoughts?
00:22:40.000I'm like, well, if this is 300, 400 kids in here, like, for sure, one person is dealing with these issues right now.
00:22:48.000And I would say, you know, the thing that probably saved me was my parents didn't own a gun.
00:22:54.000Probably only Texans that don't own guns.
00:23:01.000One of the main things was, well, I don't even know that I've ever said this publicly, but I remember having attempted suicide once and then thinking about it again and then thinking,
00:23:17.000you know, what would this do to my mom?
00:25:12.000And she was saying that he had never opened up with her in the last two years, but she knew he had been dealing with really bad depression.
00:25:20.000And right there he told her, I've been dealing with suicidal thoughts for two years.
00:25:24.000And so I don't know why I even brought that up except for like it's nuts.
00:25:27.000My parents have a have a photography company and they made a memorial a few years back For a little boy, he was getting bullied, didn't think he had an option out, and he took his life at nine years old.
00:26:40.000And so I thought, what if I combine those two things?
00:26:43.000What if I could make myself a cardboard transformer from head to toe?
00:26:48.000I think it was a 24-pack around the head, 12 packs around the arms, legs, boots.
00:26:54.000I had a Chestplate had a sword out of cardboard a country kid Texas you see those moms we can do pretty much anything with duct tape and so duct tape cardboard just made it up and Walked into the party and her grandma opened the door.
00:27:08.000Oh, Jennifer's gonna love this Walked in they literally had a dr. Pepper machine one of those like old-school ones you don't have to pay just push the button it pops out 13 year old kid you love that so we got dr. Pepper can one hand and Have the Dr. Pepper cardboard sword in the other.
00:28:16.000And all of a sudden I get to this like used video shop and it's got UFC VHS. I think it was 2 through 10 or 2 through 11 or something like that.
00:29:49.000If I have a phone and so I walked inside called her but she wasn't there so it took a little while to get a hold of my mom and then um Yeah, I mean it was just it was nuts because um It's weird how you you'll believe Especially in today's age with social media and all the tweets and things that people just throw away I throw around You know,
00:30:10.000it's nuts how you can see somebody don't even know them.
00:30:12.000They might have one follower and But somehow it can still, if you let it, it can still affect you instead of just shrugging it off.
00:30:20.000That's a totally different thing though.
00:30:22.000Someone's saying something on Twitter and someone's saying something and looking you in the eyes and planning out this big deception.
00:31:17.000I forget, but, you know, even the people around, like how you're saying, you know, to people, plan it out and everything else, look you in the eyes.
00:31:25.000I mean, I think that might have been what took me back the most because I was like, man, like this is, if you're sitting by, this is what I try to tell some of the kiddos growing up now.
00:31:34.000It's like, if you think that by laughing, I mean, if you're there and you're not bullying, but you're giggling, you're laughing, like you're definitely a part of it.
00:33:06.000You know, obviously looking back, I shouldn't have ever let it get to the point to where, you know, I think I should hurt myself or kill my...
00:34:36.000So this bullying all throughout your childhood led into adulthood, and the only thing that made it better was you going to the Congo and helping out these pygmies and building wells and sort of dedicating and devoting your life to their life.
00:34:53.000Yeah, I would say practically that has been, you know, to have a sense of purpose.
00:35:00.000I mean, I think it's a lot of different things.
00:35:13.000For me, I had a big paradigm shift or change in my life whenever, you know, coming out of the addiction, I felt like, oh man, like I don't have to walk around and hate myself and stay away from people because they're either going to hurt me or I'm going to want to hurt them.
00:35:34.000Dude, it first started, what really started helping a lot was I got involved with a lot of different stuff from a juvenile detention center, going in and meeting with some of those kids once a week, to a homeless shelter, to becoming an official volunteer at the Denver Children's Hospital and taking the grudge guys through there.
00:35:52.000And I think like Rashad and Dwayne and Shane Carwin and Brendan and all these guys, you know, they were going and they actually saw me going through the really tough addictions and getting kicked off grudge fight team.
00:36:06.000And then a year later, I'm luckily able to organize an event where they wouldn't let us come in just as fighters to visit the kids because they were like, fighters, why would you guys come and visit us?
00:36:48.000And they said, well, I won't say the teams, but some of the other big major league sports, they said those have been, and they named some of them, they've been some of our absolute worst.
00:36:58.000I'm like, man, see, you thought fighters were going to come in here and I don't know if you thought we were going to beat up the kids or something, but no, we're passionate about the sport.
00:37:06.000I mean, I think passionate means you love something so much that you'll suffer for it.
00:37:12.000Or even that suffering looks like enjoyment or becomes enjoyment because you love it and you're passionate about it.
00:37:20.000And so, I mean, whenever you're a fighter, you're getting beat up and all the other stuff.
00:37:31.000Yeah, there's an intense camaraderie between people that train together because you go through such difficult sessions and difficult sparring and difficult moments and conditioning and all that stuff and you push each other and it's a different kind of bond, right?
00:37:46.000Yeah, and on that I think I saw someone recently post something that was Pretty cool where it showed like a jujitsu gym and it was showing all the different people.
00:37:57.000And in it, it said something like, where's the one place you can find these religious people and these different skin colors?
00:38:04.000And I forget how it was worded, but...
00:38:22.000After The Ultimate Fighter, I got invited out by one of the guys.
00:38:28.000And just because I think a couple of people...
00:38:33.000Yeah, I saw one of the guys who was one of the main guys and he's like, hey, I just saw him walking around downtown Fort Worth and he's like, why don't we go out here or whatever?
00:38:43.000And, well, he had actually brought me into the sushi restaurant and all around the table was most of the people that were, not most, it was probably only like 8 or 10 people.
00:38:53.000But they were some of the main kids that were at that party when I dressed up and everything.
00:38:57.000Man, if we'd have known you were a fighter, you could have kicked our butts, then we wouldn't have done that to you.
00:39:04.000So I told him I was going to the bathroom and just left.
00:39:07.000I think that's the only time I've ever done anything like that, but I was like, I can't be around these guys.
00:39:12.000Did you sense any feeling of remorse from them, or did they just want to be friends with you?
00:39:18.000One or two of them, one guy for sure, he's pretty cool now.
00:39:25.000But then one is a knucklehead for sure.
00:40:37.000I mean, I guess I could understand that if the kids have been abused themselves and they want to lash out, they're angry and hurt, but oftentimes it's just they find someone who's vulnerable.
00:40:47.000It's like they find the pecking order, and they find the one person they can get away with, and they all funnel their insecurities and their anger and their aggression on this one person, just because with no regard whatsoever what kind of impact it's going to have on that kid.
00:41:00.000Yeah, and I think one of the things that makes it so much worse now is, I mean, I don't know, I get to...
00:41:08.000Here's some of the stuff and they can't escape it because it follows them home.
00:41:11.000I'm all that cyberbullying and they get the text and all this stuff.
00:42:22.000But I think it certainly can happen to people where they get to this point where not only do they not want to live, they don't want you to live anymore either.
00:42:30.000Because, I mean, I'm sure if you had been in a situation where you knew someone, you had a friend who was in the same boat as you, you know, like those kids from Columbine.
00:42:40.000Where the two kids got together and they sort of helped each other do something really fucked up.
00:42:45.000If you were involved with the wrong people at that time and someone had a gun and you knew where these kids were and you wanted to do that to yourself, who knows what you would have wanted to do to them as well.
00:42:56.000Yeah, it's kind of a scary thing to think about.
00:43:01.000I think it was in between 7th and 8th grade where I started hanging out with a lot of the Just the kids that were involved in just darker thoughts, music, stuff like that, where I'm hanging out with them and we're all depressed.
00:43:18.000We're listening to that Papa Roach song, The Last Resort.
00:44:47.000It's one of the worst aspects of human beings that they could plan something like that and do that and just try to ruin someone's life just for sport, just for fun, for no reason.
00:45:24.000Not the last trip, but the second to last trip to Congo that I had.
00:45:27.000I was there and we're having to get a mechanic to help.
00:45:30.000We're tires and different stuff, and all of a sudden a drunk mechanic comes out, and he's always drunk, and he comes out, he's talking with us, this little boy walks by, he's literally He should be in school, but because his family's so poor, he's out selling eggs.
00:45:45.000And if he's selling eggs, he'll make, you know, nothing.
00:45:49.000But he'll never be able to go to school, probably.
00:45:51.000And he's just trying to make money to feed his family.
00:45:53.000And he's literally five, six, seven years old.
00:45:55.000And he's coming around selling the eggs.
00:45:58.000Normally they sell them hard-boiled, but sometimes they don't.
00:46:01.000When they're walking around, you want to eat it then.
00:46:03.000But these kids were all raw, so it's even harder for them to sell them.
00:46:10.000He's looking at it, shakes it a little bit, finds out it's raw, and just smashes him.
00:46:15.000The kid, this is an adult, 30-something-year-old man, and this is literally a 5, 6, 7, 8-year-old kid, just smashes it over his head, and the kid looks up at him with just fear.
00:46:26.000I mean, it's not smart for me, because, you know, I'm the outsider to the government's eyes and everything else, but, like, I almost got in a fistfight with him.
00:46:35.000I remember just pulling my hand straight back and And just almost just backhanded him right across the face.
00:46:41.000And then Ben's like, whoa, whoa, whoa!
00:46:43.000Then I grabbed, I think I grabbed his shirt, grabbed his shoulder, And I said, Ben, translate for me real quick.
00:46:48.000If he ever lays his hands on that kid or any other kid, I'm going to lay my hands on him.
00:46:52.000And so just make sure he understands that, this kind of thing.
00:46:54.000And I don't even know what I'm into that except for...
00:48:28.000There's actually a pretty incredible video that I was absolutely terrible whenever I gave the speech or whatever, but I played part of the video, cut it down to like three minutes.
00:48:37.000It's had like 12. I think it's called The Battle at Kruger.
00:48:50.000The back of the pack, the smaller, weaker, younger, lions all go after that one, tackle it, splash in the water, they're dragging the baby out of the lake, or river, and all of a sudden a huge crocodile comes and grabs it,
00:49:52.000And then if you, after that, it's something like 95% of the time if you invite the bullied victim to come into your group or hang out or sit at your table or whatever, then it stops even better right away when you don't address the bully, you address the person that's getting bullied.
00:50:50.000You know, Cape buffaloes apparently are some of the most dangerous animals in Africa, and they will charge you.
00:50:57.000They're just so used to being around people, or around animals rather, that are trying to kill them.
00:51:04.000I almost got us arrested, and not just a little bit, a lot of bit, where we accidentally, I believe the Serengeti's in Tanzania, and we're on the border of Kenya and Tanzania, and we're taking a shortcut from some locals, which is always fine if you're from there.
00:51:20.000And we saw this awesome, but we didn't know we were going through the Serengeti.
00:51:35.000And so we put that in the back of the truck.
00:51:37.000All of a sudden we're driving and we get pulled over by the park rangers.
00:51:41.000Then they see the Cape Buffalo skull, they say we're poachers, they say this, that, and just swarmed by all these park rangers, like three or four different vehicles.
00:51:50.000Saying they're going to arrest me, all this different stuff, and our crew, and luckily, anyways, that's a random thing, but luckily we just said, hey, can I just put it right back where it was?
00:51:59.000I didn't mean to, I didn't know we were in a national park.
00:52:03.000Yeah, they don't take any bullshit from poachers out there.
00:52:18.000Yeah, for endangered species, for sure, with the okapi.
00:52:25.000One of my last trips, someone tried to I think I maybe said earlier where on one of the past episodes where someone tried to sell me the meat and the fur of an okapie.
00:53:56.000I just can't imagine that here we are in 2016 with Viagra and Cialis and all these different boner pills you buy at the gas station that Red Band takes.
00:54:07.000When I was pulling this up, I found this on Vice.
00:54:11.0003D printing rhino horns are not the solution to poaching crisis, experts say.
00:54:16.000The experts don't agree that that's the best way.
00:54:19.000Well, I don't know if it's the best way either.
00:54:20.000I mean, I just can't imagine that the rhinos are literally on the verge of going extinct because people want to kill them and take their horns, which do nothing.
00:54:30.000Isn't it like the same substance as like a fingernail or toenail or something like that?
00:54:57.000I think it's also a status symbol I was reading.
00:55:01.000That even though it might not necessarily be real or really work, but it's such an ancient cultural status symbol thing that these businessmen will get together and they'll have rhino horn tea.
00:55:15.000But they think it's cool because it's illegal and you can't get it and it's dangerous and it's got to come from Africa.
00:56:59.000CT scans have shown that the horns are, in fact, similar in structure to horses' hooves, turtle beaks, and cockatoo bills.
00:57:07.000The studies also reveal that the centers of the horns have dense mineral deposits of calcium and melanin, a finding that may explain the curve and sharp tip of the horn.
00:57:19.000The calcium would strengthen the horn, while the melanin would protect some of the core from being degraded by ultraviolet radiation from the sun.
00:57:28.000Softer outer portion worn away over time by the sun and typical rhino activities, bashing horns with other animals, rubbing it on the ground.
00:57:36.000The inner core would be sharpened into a point, much like a wooden pencil.
00:58:40.000Well, it's like kind of with the trees.
00:58:45.000We're getting ready, I think, to replant, I think it's 1,000 more trees, which would take our total up to 4,500 on the land for the pygmies.
00:58:56.000Around there, the reason that, I mean, China and all these other places are coming in, they're cutting down the rare hardwoods, the mahogany, and the reason King Leopold went there was the rubber boom and the trees there and everything else.
00:59:06.000But then it just nuts me because I think they're, you know, they want it for greed, money, everything else.
00:59:13.000But then the people in the country, they're starting to learn and get educated in the fact that, like, hey, if we're cutting down all these trees, we better start replanting some because it takes so long for them to grow back.
00:59:25.000And so, no, but it's just for charcoal or fire, and they're like, once that's gone, what do you have?
00:59:45.000You have to drive three or four hours away, and it used to be in the center of the, not center of the rainforest, but the edge of the rainforest.
01:00:01.000I was in Canada, and they do a pretty good job of regulating it in BC, but it's still disturbing because you come across these big, gigantic fields where the trees are just gone.
01:00:20.000They leave perches for animals, which is probably, like, an awesome spot for, like, a hawk or an eagle or something like that, because everything's cut down.
01:00:44.000But it just bugs me that people could do that.
01:00:48.000They just giant swaths of the landscape shaved off and turned into toothpicks or whatever the fuck they do with it.
01:00:55.000Yeah, and so I was in a village before my wife's first time to Congo, and it was, I mean, it was almost like, you know, lush, untouched, virgin forest, and then all of a sudden, come back next time with her,
01:01:11.000come out of the forest, come back in, it was probably a month or so, because we went to a couple other villages, we go back, start going on the same hike, and all of a sudden there's this huge clearing, at least 10 acres, probably 20, 25, and it was just...
01:01:25.000Nothing there except for a few remaining huge cut-down trees that I could stand in front of and the base or whatever was way taller than I was.
01:02:14.000They were talking on this documentary I was watching about the deforestation of the Amazon, about how fast it's happening and how terrifying it is.
01:02:23.000And a big part of it, I guess, is not even, well, there's logging, but there's also, they cut it down to make room for cattle grazing.
01:02:32.000And when they were showing, there's just a sheer size of the deforestation, of how much they've done and so quickly.
01:02:40.000And then also the people that live in these areas where if they resist the loggers or they resist, they just get murdered.
01:02:48.000Yeah, especially the indigenous people that are more out there.
01:02:53.000And that happens with the pygmies, too, because they're the weaker, more vulnerable ones that you can push around and they can't push back.
01:03:00.000When you consider your life and you consider these horrible stories that you're telling us about your upbringing, how disturbing it is, does it feel to you, since you've found this sense of purpose and this real connection with these people in the Congo,
01:03:17.000that almost like these horrible events in your life were setting you up to be the perfect person to find these folks?
01:04:01.000It's almost like you're the horrible Experiences you had as a young kid have sort of made you into this incredible adult I don't know about that.
01:04:23.000Honestly, there's not a good explanation that I could probably explain that it should be working or that it's working like it is because...
01:04:35.000Well, with me at the front of it because I don't have any community development training or...
01:06:03.000They think of some recreational activity with one of those little camel things, the little water things, camelback, water reservoirs you put on your back and you suck on the straw as you're walking.
01:06:47.000And that's what I would rather use because the other one's too hard to clean and too hard to fill up and leaks and just all sorts of stuff.
01:06:55.000But some people like it because they don't have to stop.
01:06:58.000They can just keep walking and just suck on that thing as they're walking.
01:07:49.000They're good, but even the maintenance of them, just really, really tough.
01:07:52.000So they work for like one filtration, but they won't work over and over and over again?
01:07:57.000My first time I went for about a month, I had it for a week or two, and then all of a sudden it started breaking, because I was even filtering the water in the town that's coming from wells, because I don't know if they...
01:08:27.000And you can boil it, but it's just impractical where every single time you want to drink, you take a container down to dirty water, which could be 30, 45 minutes away.
01:08:44.000Yeah, and then all of a sudden all the ash is getting in it, and then it's the hot, humid rainforest on the equator, and boiling water doesn't cool down basically ever there.
01:09:53.000If you do it the right or the wrong way, 100 times, 200 times, and you are giving a village, like you just hit home hard because he's like, look, we're learning every single step.
01:10:04.000We've got to Drill us in you where you know it, you know, because we can't skip a step or miss something, and then all of a sudden they are looking at it, drinking it.
01:12:41.000Our team, our well drillers, they see them coming in, staying with them, living like they're living, eating like they're eating.
01:12:48.000Sitting around the campfire like they sit around, which nobody else does that with them.
01:12:52.000And so, sleeping in the huts that they sleep in, which nobody else would do in that area.
01:12:59.000And then, like, you just develop this bond and really quickly and to where all of a sudden they're jumping in and helping with the construction of the well and everything else.
01:13:08.000Now, they do the simple day labor stuff, not the technical stuff, but then, yeah, our guys are getting it down, which is pretty cool.
01:13:40.000We should be able to do it in our lifetime.
01:13:43.000Before you or me pass this earth, we should have the technology to get everyone clean water.
01:13:49.000Isn't it crazy that that's their issue?
01:13:52.000Over here in America, we have so many trivial things that we're constantly worrying about and fretting.
01:13:57.000When it gets down to basic human necessities, like water, the ability to get clean water, which is, without that, All the other things that we argue or bicker about, it's all nonsense.
01:14:30.000But then getting back here, sometimes it's like, man, everything, a lot of times, everything that we're chasing, even me, doesn't really matter in the big, grand scheme of things.
01:15:19.000And then I walk by, sit down with him.
01:15:21.000If I'm a friend or not, even just introducing myself, he's going to offer me his food.
01:15:25.000Like, instead of, it's mine, he's going to say, you want some?
01:15:29.000And so it's different in that culture where it's nuts.
01:15:32.000They don't have anything, but they'll give you everything they got.
01:15:35.000Like, for instance, that knife last time that I was able to, you know, bring back that Chief Leo May made.
01:15:44.000You know, he made a bow and arrow, and I'm actually bringing that to you.
01:15:48.000It was under our crawl space, and I lost it, and now I know where it is.
01:15:52.000But he's pumped to bring that back to you.
01:15:54.000But, I mean, for them to give that kind of stuff away...
01:15:58.000Whenever Leo May, he's the chief of his village, and now, because he's got a job, he might have more, but whenever I knew him, he had maybe, he was lucky if he had two changes of clothes, because most of the pygmies have the clothes on their back.
01:16:49.000It's been crazy to see what's going on.
01:16:52.000We're getting ready to do something that I'm pumped about.
01:16:54.000Me and Papa Wai and Ben and Matt, we had talked about it and kind of dreamed it up.
01:16:59.000And we were saying, how awesome would it be?
01:17:03.000If in Bunia, which is kind of a city center, maybe less than half a million people for sure, but in the city center where there's a university, there's a community development program that's literally changing their part of Congo by not waiting on the government or by not waiting on an NGO. They're just taking the initiative themselves.
01:17:23.000And so we've seen that they're so bought in.
01:17:26.000That whenever we presented an idea of, what if we could start a sustainable solutions, appropriate technology center where there's land, water, and food solutions.
01:17:38.000And then after that, maybe we can get into solar.
01:17:40.000Maybe after that we can do this or that or, you know, whatever.
01:17:42.000But at that place, we'll have different stations where here's land.
01:17:46.000You can come learn about land rights, how to replant the trees, the forestry aspect, you know, all that different stuff, the importance of land.
01:17:54.000And we have people there that can help and show them things.
01:17:57.000If a chief wants to come in and book our well drilling team for their community, they can come in, see how we do it, why we do it, everything about it.
01:18:06.000We want to have a little conference room where we can train people up on the WASH program, because now we're doing that.
01:18:10.000All the villages that we've drilled wells in, we're going back in and we're doing the WASH program, water and sanitation and hygiene.
01:18:24.000And so for the year I was there, there was one or two of the ten villages we were in had a quote-unquote latrine, but it was only like three or four feet deep, which isn't safe.
01:18:35.000So most of them were just going in the woods?
01:18:37.000Yeah, and honestly, until you do it the right way, because outside of there, some of those latrines in the cities, man, I... Definitely think I've gotten sick from a fly that maybe landed there.
01:21:38.000So if we were able to, as human beings, if we could join forces, unite, kind of like everyone did against Ebola, you know, if we attack the problem head-on, and just because we got it, we don't pretend everybody else has it, like,
01:23:31.000I think what maybe kind of shifted was...
01:23:37.000Kind of growing up, you know, getting bullied, you're only looking at, why am I getting bullied?
01:23:41.000And all this stuff's true, and I am not a good person.
01:23:44.000And then, or nobody likes me, whatever.
01:23:46.000Then when I got 23, fighting, still not really fulfilled.
01:23:50.000I was living more for myself there, and I'm like, man, what am I doing with my life?
01:23:56.000Now it's so cool because seeing that and being able to tell you that last time I was here, 20 water wells or 25. But regardless, we've done 20 or 25 more.
01:24:07.000And so that to me is a life that I get to look at.
01:25:06.000Like, man, this is what life is about.
01:25:10.000I've been signing my book ever since it came out, but I signed it, Live to Love, Love to Live.
01:25:16.000And I know that can sound cheesy or goofy or whatever, but that's something that just really helped me whenever I was sobering up was, man, if that's what I focus on, if I can live my life to love, love, love, Then I'll love to live.
01:25:33.000But everyone wants to love their own life that they live.
01:25:35.000And so they're just focused on that and get this and get this materialistic thing and get this different chick because she didn't make me happier, you know, this or that or whatever.
01:25:47.000I don't know if that's if I think there's a natural inclination to gravitate towards unattainable things like Ferraris and mansions and you see those things on TV and the movies and you just that shows you that you've made it and When you don't have anything and you're wanting for things you don't have Money and you're struggling you look at someone who's got all those things and money and you think if I only had that all my worries would be gone and then I would be happy But if you have that,
01:26:16.000and nobody likes you, your life is shit.
01:26:21.000Meanwhile, you are in a hut in the middle of nowhere, well, in the middle of the Congo, with all these people, and you're having a great time.
01:26:30.000And you're making wells, and you're loving life.
01:26:33.000That picture that came up, I think why I got so excited was because that night in that village, I mean, we, I'm not kidding, danced and danced and danced and feasted.
01:26:49.000I mean, we just all came together just to celebrate.
01:27:00.000It's just a life where, like what you were just saying, you're always comparing, comparing, comparing.
01:27:07.000For me, man, comparison, I think for most people, comparison is probably the number one thief that robs us of joy, of being able to be at peace.
01:27:18.000We're always comparing ourselves and we always compare up.
01:27:55.000They've given me more of a gift than I can give them.
01:27:58.000I mean, you see, I told you that growing up and everything else, but to find a life of purpose, of passion, of helping one another, of, I don't know, our mission statement is defend the weak, love the unloved, empower the voiceless.
01:28:13.000And the vision statement is overcoming oppression with overwhelming opportunity.
01:28:18.000And so if we can go into these communities, and we've seen incredible stuff, that's what's going to be in the dock this last trip.
01:28:23.000Me, Ben, Matt, and Derek, the filmmaker, we would not be—they wouldn't be ashamed of me saying this.
01:28:30.000We were in tears after an interview with one of the former slave masters that ran a hospital.
01:28:39.000And actually, if you could pull up a picture, it's called Captula.
01:29:16.000So what is going on with his health right here?
01:29:18.000Right there, we didn't know, but I had a gut feeling that it could have been tuberculosis because we've helped several of the pygmies that have tuberculosis and stuff.
01:29:48.000If it's something to do with smoke, I believe that because the bacteria spread from person to person through microscopic droplets released in the air.
01:29:55.000It can happen when someone in the untreated active form of tuberculosis coughs, speaks, sneezes, spits, laughs, or sings.
01:30:55.000That's why the bugs are even worse on me, because I have many times slept in the huts whenever the fire's going, but it just fills up with smoke to where my eyes are just...
01:31:05.000Tears are coming down my face the whole time.
01:31:07.000So you have to light a fire in their hut?
01:31:28.000That shits in your lungs, too, though, right, of course?
01:31:30.000Yeah, and there's so many kids that are at this Sustainable Solutions Center that we're hoping to get up and running.
01:31:37.000We're wanting one for cooking, where they can use either corn cobs or corn husk or peanut shells or different things where they can put those into little briquettes.
01:31:47.000And then they can use that and recycle it and everything else.
01:31:49.000And it burns longer at the same temperature.
01:31:54.000And you're not having to deforest anything and you're not breathing in that terrible smoke.
01:32:27.000People throw the outside of the coconut away, but apparently it's really good for charcoal.
01:32:32.000So Bellator has embraced this narrative.
01:32:36.000They've embraced your story and they've made it a big part of your fighting there to let everybody know that you're doing it not just because you want to compete, but also because you want to expose the world to this passion,
01:32:51.000this project, this sort of life direction that you've taken.
01:33:01.000Dude, I love the UFC. I was 13 years old, found those tapes.
01:33:07.000And just on that real quick, I bought all those tapes, put them under my bed, and I would wait for my parents to go to work or to go to sleep.
01:33:17.000And I'd be popping them in the VHS. And my dad comes in and I Turn it off real quick, lay down, act like I'm asleep, and it's, you know, the VCRs, the VHS is still moving, and the, I don't know, the screen's still lit up and everything.
01:33:32.000My dad confiscated that tape, then when he found the rest, he thought it was all porn, but it was just the UFC. Why did he confiscate it?
01:33:41.000Well, I think me being 13, being picked on, you don't want me to start fighting people at school and different stuff.
01:34:27.000And so, I mean, I like that aspect, but then I just fell in love with the sport of it, you know, watching it and seeing how everything, and now being a fan and watching how it's evolved and everything else, it's just, it's not seeing a guy like Dan Henderson that's been fighting, I think, isn't it 20 years straight?
01:35:52.000I mean, the closest thing was when he took Kimbo down and got him into the Mounted Crucifix and just elbowed him until the referee stopped the fight.
01:35:59.000Since I was on that season, I think he threw a couple elbows, but when they finally stopped it, we were all counting every single punch, but he was just tapping his forehead like this because it wasn't intelligently...
01:36:35.000The big countries got very good submissions, but everybody expected that from him when he started fighting.
01:36:41.000Like, if you remember back when he was fighting for Elite XE, which was like the most corrupt organization in the early days of MMA, he had Andrei Olofsky down in side control, working for a Kimura, had that, yep, had side control and had that double wrist lock position, and he was working for the Kimura, and they stood him right up.
01:36:57.000And I remember watching TV going, it's corrupt!
01:37:00.000We're screaming at the TV, it's corrupt!
01:37:32.000I mean, apparently he had a doctor telling him, you know, for people who don't know what we're talking about, Kimbo died really recently of heart disease.
01:37:39.000And he had a doctor telling him recently that he needed a heart transplant.
01:37:43.000I guess he had some sort of congenital heart disease.
01:37:47.000That, I mean, how could that be, you know, you look at him, the guy's a stud, he's in great shape.
01:37:54.000His heart was so bad that they were telling him he needed a heart transplant.
01:37:59.000And this, yeah, this could probably sound cliche again too, but because knowing him, being an ultimate fighter, and him cooking the best steak I've ever had, sorry Big Josh, but he, I don't know, even though he had a bad heart,
01:41:02.000What you're doing is helping them by building wells.
01:41:07.000Once you do that, like say if you establish a series of wells and well building and everybody has fresh water, do you want to take it another step?
01:41:15.000Did you want to try to give them safer housing or cleaner housing?
01:41:21.000Do you want to try to teach them how to build houses?
01:41:23.000Are you planning on escalating it from where you're at right now?
01:41:46.000It looks like pygmy huts out of sandbags that they fill up with sand, do it in a circle, and supposedly they're earthquake-proof, tornado-proof, all this different stuff.
01:42:37.000Because I slept in the huts the first two times I went and got rained on and literally one time woke up in the mud like sunk halfway because it just rained and rained and rained and rained.
01:44:57.000The most important thing is land and the water, because water is next, then food, and after that, yes.
01:45:03.000If you can be healthy, I want to stay in a sweet spot and in a lane and not spread ourselves too thin because we aren't focused.
01:45:11.000But have you thought about these people that you dealt with in California, trying to bring them in and have them take over that aspect of it?
01:47:15.000You've heard of the LRA and Joseph Kony and different stuff like that?
01:47:20.000One of the guys was, he told me around a campfire that he was one of two, it might have been three, survivors out of a three, four, five hundred person village.
01:47:36.000And it's so cool to see these young guys all of a sudden stand up and Water 4 got involved with them and train them up on how to drill wells in their own country.
01:47:45.000And these, when I say young men drillers, like, I think some of them were 16, 17, 18 when they started.
01:47:49.000Well, then all of a sudden they cranked out over 100 water wells.
01:49:50.000And literally, the people in a place called Nyoka, which means snake, it was a place of a rebel group that used to be there and everything.
01:50:00.000And so it was a very, very bad part of town.
01:50:02.000There's gold mines on both sides of them.
01:50:04.000Luckily, this lady took them in and held them in there and called the military because people literally had, not the military, but the cops, and it was just a little shack.
01:50:14.000Were people going to kill them because they thought that they killed the woman?
01:51:37.000And while they're leaving, Papa Wai is really respected because he's actually helping people in their country.
01:51:42.000People know him when he's walking around because he's like, oh, that's the crew that's actually putting what they're learning into action.
01:51:50.000And so he went up there and as they were getting ready to leave, someone came up to him and whispered to him and says, we know where all your stuff is.
01:52:32.000Then there are supply chain from Uganda to Congo.
01:52:37.000I'll wrap this up where it's so cool to see where now, no joke, the guys that came out to learn from Cameroon that work with the Pygmies in Cameroon are named Willie and Turbo.
01:53:43.000But now another can come and learn from us.
01:53:45.000And now we're sending our team out to different parts of the continent, to Rwanda, to Kenya, to Cameroon, to I think Rwanda, Uganda, and training up these other teams that are wanting, they have a desire to...
01:55:39.000Well, he did something pretty incredible, and I heard about it when I was in high school, but Kenny Monday, which he got to, it came full circle.
01:55:48.000He coached me in high school, then for my comeback fight, and he coached me a little bit in MMA at the beginning, but then for my comeback fight in this last one, he was in my corner.
01:55:56.000But anyways, he told me, you know, hey, if you want to wrestle, go home, write down your goals.
01:56:35.00013% or something like that where they had...
01:56:38.000I'm sorry I'm screwing this up, but it's an incredible stat.
01:56:44.000So 87% or 83% didn't know their goals.
01:56:48.00013% or 17% did know their goals, but they didn't have them written down.
01:56:51.000And then only 3% of the class had written concise, direct goals of what they wanted to do in their life.
01:56:58.000I think they went back 10 years later, and the ones that had goals but didn't have them written down were making twice as much on average than all the other 83% or 87% that didn't have goals.
01:57:09.000And then the people that had written down goals, they were making 10 times as all the other 97 combined.
01:57:16.000Here is why 3% of Harvard MBAs make 10 times as much as the other 97% combined.
01:57:22.000Harvard MBA program is extremely competitive and today admits approximately 15% of the applicants.
01:57:27.000The 1960s acceptance rate was about 30% down to 25% in the 1970s, fluctuated between 10 and 15% ever since.
01:58:02.000And for me, and seeing that, hearing that, and then having Coach Mundy tell me that.
01:58:10.000Honestly, wrestling, MMA, having a goal to focus on, having a goal to write down, I think that really helped me escape the depression for a while, for a few years, because now I found something that I could focus on and I was passionate about.
02:00:13.000Yeah, I think focusing on one individual goal like that or writing something down, having a very clear thing that you're working towards, it takes away a lot of the ambiguity that people have about wanting to be successful.
02:00:26.000Just wanting to be successful, just wanting to do well, that's not enough.
02:00:30.000You have to have something that you're looking towards, something you're moving and working towards.
02:01:13.000And so let's just write it down and do it and start speaking about it and throwing it out there.
02:01:18.000And then to see the other team, like they're coming in with the real, like here's the big vision stuff, but here's filling in all the details, how we're going to get it done.
02:01:27.000And man, my first time to write things down was one water well on 300 acres of land, and maybe we could build a school and get a teacher.
02:01:36.000And they would help them with education because the Pygmies don't have any representation in the government because nobody is educated.
02:01:42.000And that's their excuse, at least in Congo, what I hear.
02:01:45.000And so I was like, school, that'd be great.
02:02:18.000Even being able to go back and have all these pictures to show you about Leo May growing papaya trees and standing in front of banana trees and all the different stuff.
02:02:28.000And they're growing them with the water that they're getting from the wells?
02:02:30.000Well, it's the rainforest and everything, so it's pretty fertile.
02:02:34.000Yeah, you can spit a seed on the ground and it's going to sprout up something in the rainforest.
02:02:45.000And a lot of those trees were doing seedlings.
02:02:48.000And they know how to garden and farm and all that stuff?
02:02:51.000Yeah, especially at the university, because they have a whole agriculture department that teams up with the community development department.
02:02:56.000So they come and teach the pickings how to do it?
02:02:58.000Yeah, they come in and teach them, and then they start learning how to do it for themselves.
02:05:28.000But the time off, the ring rust, the time away from the sport against Josh Burns, a guy who traditionally wasn't a very fast starter, we thought he'd have time to warm up and he didn't.
02:05:37.000Burns came right after him, a guy I think was trying to take advantage of the fact that Wren had been off for so long.
02:05:51.000You could see the questioning of himself.
02:05:53.000You could see those times when things started working out and it started coming back to him.
02:05:58.000The story of all his time off was on his face and was in his performance.
02:06:04.000That's a guy making up for time off in one fight.
02:06:08.000What's easy to forget with Justin Wren's story, with him helping out the Pygmies, with all he's done socially, with all he's done politically for that tribe, they can't go in there with him.
02:06:20.000And the pressure of having a big story on your shoulders, everybody rooting for you, everybody reading your book, that's not an easy thing to carry into a fight.
02:06:30.000Everybody talks about how great the story is and what it does for a fighter and what it does for their career.
02:07:37.000Yeah, and two, it was, man, but one of the ring rust kind of things was, I could hear the commentators, and I could, I looked out, the first person I see is my wife.
02:07:48.000And I see her, make eye contact with her, like, we stared into each other's eyes, and I know this is going to sound goofy, but...
02:07:55.000She had a new outfit on and I'm just like, she's beautiful.
02:07:58.000And then all of a sudden I see her and she's like, go!
02:08:01.000And all of a sudden I'm like, I'm in a fight!
02:08:03.000And he's like punching me and I'm just like, ah, crap!
02:08:05.000So, uh, no, it was in, in actually right there was the closest part where I almost finished him there with some, some knees or coulda, shoulda, woulda.
02:08:14.000And, um, and then I stop, look out at my wife, see her and Grace, which she came to Congo with us too.
02:08:20.000And I see them, and I'm like, what am I doing?
02:08:23.000After the fight, I instantly thought, what was I doing in the fight?
02:08:25.000Looking out, seeing my wife, and thinking, she's beautiful.
02:08:29.000So, I don't know why I brought that up, except for...
02:08:40.000I'm glad to show it because of that, but then...
02:08:43.000I meant to show you the one that came first, which we don't need to play that, but what happened for the first fight back, which is kind of nuts, that the guy surprised me and called me in the morning, and I was able to see him,
02:08:58.000and they were able to encourage me for the fight and say, we know you're fighting for us, all that.
02:11:10.000But I guess it didn't work out because when Johnny started making real money, that's when he...
02:11:15.000Is that when he left or was there other issues?
02:11:17.000Yeah, I think it was that and then I think internally there was some butting of heads between a few different people, between maybe coaches, maybe management, maybe fighters too.
02:12:21.000I know that the youngest heavyweight, I think, is still JDS and Junior Dos Santos in the top 10. He's 32. I mean, Barnett's, I think, 38 and Brock's 39. Heavyweights tend to mature later in life.
02:12:35.000Hunt is 42. Well, Brock is pretty much done now, I think.
02:12:38.000I think that last positive test, he did two positive tests in a row.
02:13:24.000For me, I mean, the reason we're in Colorado first is I'm wanting to get my wrestling back because I'm pretty disappointed in my first two.
02:13:32.000Honestly, winning, this was the first two times winning felt really good because I didn't do it for me.
02:13:40.000But then at the same time, right away, the competitor comes in and is like, you messed up here, here, here, here, here.
02:15:36.000It was a different pain than I've ever felt because it's a nerve pain.
02:15:39.000And I was out in the forest and there was a couple, two, three days where we were there, you know, for the documentary, for the water wells, everything else.
02:16:16.000But for me, to answer your question, I want to be...
02:16:20.000I want to be realistic, but at the same time, a quote my mom taught me, I forget who it was, but she says something like, an optimist is someone who goes after Moby Dick in a rowboat and takes the tartar sauce with him.
02:16:37.000So an optimist goes after Moby Dick in a rowboat and takes the tartar sauce with him.
02:16:43.000So for me, I want to swing for the fences, make the biggest impact possible.
02:16:49.000But at the same time, We're restructuring stuff.
02:16:52.000We had meetings at Water 4, and I think just getting everyone on the same page.
02:16:56.000Well, me too, because I was spreading myself too thin.
02:16:58.000The biggest thing possible is the UFC Heavyweight Championship.
02:17:11.000Okay, at UFC 200, this could sound goofy to anybody else.
02:17:16.000I think a lot of athletes would probably get it.
02:17:18.000Some might not, but I bought a UFC replica belt because I'm not going to hang it or anything, but I want to have times where I set that down on a table or a desk and look at it, think about it, dream about it.
02:17:31.000And know that before I go out the door training You know, that's that's a goal of mine, you know, if I could get there then I know this fight for the forgotten can be Set up for you know, the maybe the rest of my life there, you know It could keep going on and on further than it right what if I did realistically to try to attain that sort of a goal Like it's gonna require more than just staring at a belt or writing something down.
02:17:54.000You're gonna you're gonna need to go on a rampage and Yeah, Waterforce surrounded Fight for the Forgotten with a team of eight people from media to my sports agent to lawyers.
02:19:13.000And I wonder if I have that video in there.
02:19:16.000But there's one if you just search Adam Wheeler on YouTube.
02:19:19.000It should be called Iso-Pure, but this dude is an Olympic bronze medalist and black belt in jiu-jitsu, and he won no-gi worlds, heavyweight.
02:19:28.000And so he's a beast, just an absolute monster.
02:19:31.000And so I was helping him train before the 2008 Olympics and stuff.
02:20:22.000And the point is, this is a guy you're working with or something?
02:20:26.000Yeah, and sorry, I probably should have set that up a little better, but this guy is an absolute monster, and we're getting together and we're going to start working out, and he's at Prime Jiu-Jitsu now in Colorado Springs, but they cross-train with Easton's, and anyways, the thing...
02:22:19.000I mean, there's a lot going on here besides just your involvement.
02:22:22.000You've started this movement and being involved with Waterfor and writing the book and letting people know about it on these podcasts and educating people to what your goal is and what you've been able to accomplish over there.
02:22:38.000I think, man, if you really can do it, it would be absolutely incredible and it certainly would shine even more light if you could really become successful as an MMA fighter from here on out.
02:22:54.000I feel like there's two parts of this where, man, the fight for the forgotten guy in me wants to be...
02:23:04.000I want to be humble and everything else say, you know, it's not going to happen unless I do all the right things, which is the same on the other side of the coin.
02:23:10.000But I'm at the same time, I feel like if if I can just get the time, I haven't been getting the time to train.
02:23:21.000And one of the things that Well, you have to make the time.
02:23:25.000Yeah, we have to make the time, and it's got to be the priority, and I don't think I do six to eight hours.
02:23:33.000Whenever I was telling the guys at Water 4, and it's just because they've been incredibly supportive, but whenever I broke it down, like, when's your training schedule?
02:23:44.000I mean, they know some NFL guys and stuff like that that might train once a day for four or five times a week or maybe twice a day.
02:23:52.000But with MMA, it's just so different that they're like, oh, wow.
02:23:55.000So that's why they've rallied around me.
02:23:56.000And I think that through that, it's going to free me up to really go to all the right places, get up to grudge for my striking, get to the Olympic Training Center for my wrestling, get around these black belts and world champs.
02:24:06.000In jiu-jitsu get around the 10th planet guys get around this so that we can We can take this the farthest that we can beautiful.
02:24:16.000Listen Again, one more time for people at home fightfortheforgotten.org fightfortheforgotten.com What is your the big pygmy on on Twitter on Twitter and Instagram?
02:24:31.000It's the big pygmy Translate, it's Mabutimangbo.