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00:06:11.000I was supposed to do an episode with my pal Duncan Trussell, but Duncan Trussell caught what is being referred to as the nerd flu.
00:06:21.000Apparently, when people go to Comic-Con every year, they get what they call the nerd flu.
00:06:26.000And what the nerd flu is, is people that are like, I guess, either they don't get out much, and when they do get out, their immune systems are severely compromised, and these fucking...
00:06:38.000Bugs just run rampant through this sea of dorks.
00:07:27.000So, I am in a hotel room right now in Atlanta, Georgia.
00:07:33.000And I almost didn't make it to Atlanta.
00:07:37.000I almost accidentally went to Chicago.
00:07:39.000I've been traveling so much lately, I literally forgot where I was going.
00:07:44.000I don't think you're supposed to say literally there.
00:07:46.000Actually, I actually forgot where I was going.
00:07:50.000I went to the gate at American Airlines, and when they call first class, all the first class people are like, ooh, that's me, everybody else has to wait.
00:07:59.000Well, I was one of those assholes, and I went up to the gate and gave the lady my phone, because it's in your phone, they scan your phone, and she puts it down, I go, she goes, sir, this is for Atlanta, and I look up and the plane was going to Chicago,
00:12:02.000But his opponent, Justin Scoggins, did not make weight.
00:12:06.000It's very unfortunate because Justin is a very, very talented guy, and I was looking forward to watching that fight.
00:12:12.000It would have been a really interesting fight.
00:12:14.000One of the big fights on the card that I was looking forward to.
00:12:19.000But, so Ian wound up training for six weeks and weighing in all for nothing.
00:12:26.000He decided to weigh in anyway, just to prove a point.
00:12:29.000He fights at flyweight, which is 125 pounds, which is, it's a brutal cut.
00:12:35.000I think he probably walks around somewhere around 150, if I had to guess, and he's got a cut all the way down to 125. And he just decided to do it anyway, just to make a point, because he's a professional.
00:12:49.000So hopefully we'll do a podcast later with Ian.
00:13:39.000And I was just here a couple months ago for the Tabernacle.
00:13:44.000I was at the Tabernacle Theater, which is a big-ass place.
00:13:47.000And I just decided, like, I don't really have that much new material because really I was working on just tightening down all the material that I had for my special.
00:13:57.000And once I recorded the special, now I'm in sort of like a...
00:14:04.000I guess you would call it subject acquisition mode where I sort of sit around and try to figure out what I'm going to expand upon, like what ideas I'm going to start planting and then try to make them grow on stage.
00:14:17.000This is the scary part of doing stand-up.
00:14:21.000Obviously it's not scary, but this is the most troublesome or nerve-wracking or exciting.
00:14:29.000It's the most exciting time of stand-up.
00:14:31.000The most exciting is certainly the actual filming of a special.
00:14:56.000I have a bunch of ideas that I wrote down on my phone.
00:14:59.000I have a bunch of subjects that I talked about.
00:15:02.000On stage a few times, but they never really became bits, and I will eventually piece those out, and I'll put those up on a corkboard with index cards.
00:15:12.000I take index cards, and I write the subjects down, and I slap them up on a corkboard so I can look at them in my office.
00:15:20.000And I've got a few of those, but man, this is about as fresh and embryonic a state as my stand-up is ever in.
00:16:46.000It's like, you know, they say President Carter, like Jimmy Carter's obviously not the president anymore, but they still call him President Carter.
00:16:55.000But what I do know is that he will be on the podcast next Thursday with Doug Stanhope.
00:17:04.000So Gary Johnson and Doug Stanhope together.
00:17:07.000Because Doug has an idea, a great idea that we're going to announce on the podcast.
00:17:12.000I guess I could kind of announce it now or talk about it now.
00:17:16.000Doug's idea is to do a live podcast during election night, an election night coverage podcast, and do a series of podcasts actually live from the Comedy Store.
00:17:29.000So the idea is we get a bunch of different guys who have podcasts and gals and whoever signs up for it, whoever we decide to have on it.
00:17:38.000But I believe Bill Burr's in, I believe Marc Maron's in.
00:17:41.000Doug's in, I'm in, and what we're going to do is we're going to do these podcasts live, and either we'll all be on stage at the Comedy Store at the same time, or we'll mix it up and we'll have shifts or something like that.
00:17:57.000I think it's probably going to be as informal as possible.
00:18:27.000I think a lot of word of mouth, just talking about it, tweeting about it.
00:18:32.000People will read your tweets, even if it's only a couple people, they'll tweet it out, it spreads.
00:18:38.000Tweet anything that you find that's interesting, interviews of his, maybe my interview that I did with him on the podcast, other stuff that you can find of him on YouTube.
00:18:48.000He's the most reasonable guy, in my opinion, running for president.
00:18:53.000And people don't take him seriously because he's a libertarian, It's either Democrat or Republican or waste your vote.
00:18:59.000That's like the mindset that we have here in this country.
00:19:02.000I think that this election is probably going to change a lot of that.
00:19:07.000I think that what we're looking at right now is probably one of the worst cases of, I don't want to say the lesser of two evil.
00:19:39.000I don't want to sit here and dwell on politics and talk politics with everybody, but it just to me is one of the most depressing times ever.
00:22:35.000I don't know if you realize this, but two of my very good friends, Tom Segura and Bert Kreischer, they're both hilarious guys, and they have decided to do this thing where they're calling each other fat.
00:22:49.000They're both, I love them both to death, but they could both lose a couple of pounds.
00:23:10.000And so they sell t-shirts like hashtag Thomas fat and hashtag bird is fat t-shirts and All the proceeds for the sales of those go directly to them.
00:23:20.000So you're not helping any fucking charities.
00:26:46.000I've just been crazy busy editing the comedy special right now.
00:26:52.000And when that's over, I'll have some rest and relaxation time.
00:26:55.000What we're going to do is, it probably won't be like a regular podcast because it probably won't be that interesting to listen to or watch.
00:27:02.000We'll have it just as a supplemental thing.
00:27:39.000Nobody ever thought that it would be interesting to watch people play video games, but when I used to play Quake, people used to get into these things called demos.
00:27:47.000You would watch guys like, there was this kid named Thresh.
00:27:50.000He was like the big gamer back in the day.
00:27:54.000The big Quake player is one of the best in the world, if not the best, and I would watch his demos just because he could fuck guys up playing that game.
00:28:05.000And I think if you can watch someone do something, like, when I was competing in Taekwondo tournaments, one of the things that really helped me a lot was I would go, like, when I was coming up, I would go and watch, like, big-time tournaments.
00:28:19.000Like, I went to Colorado Springs to watch the World Cup.
00:28:26.000I would say like 1986, I think it was, and I went to Colorado Springs to watch the World Cup because I knew that the best fighters in the world were going to be there, the best Taekwondo guys.
00:28:36.000Guys like Herb Perez and, God, I'm trying to remember some of these names.
00:28:44.000There was this guy, Nassim, I don't remember his last name, but he was this bad motherfucker from the Ivory Coast.
00:29:09.000But anyway, these guys were at a very high level, much better than me.
00:29:14.000And I remember going and watching them compete made me better.
00:29:19.000I remember seeing that level of competition and then all of a sudden in my mind I had higher expectations of myself and a higher ceiling, I guess, of potential.
00:29:33.000I looked at all these guys and how good they were and I realized what was possible.
00:29:39.000So it sort of ramped up in my mind what I needed to do to be at my best.
00:29:47.000And immediately afterwards, I went on to win one of the biggest tournaments I ever won, which was one of the biggest in Massachusetts, the Bay State Games, which was right after I got back.
00:29:58.000Just from watching, I got better, guaranteed.
00:30:01.000Point is, we would watch these things, these...
00:30:38.000But you could type in demo and you could run a demo.
00:30:44.000And then later on I think they put it in the menu, the actual menu of the game.
00:30:49.000But in the old days, especially the Quake 1 days, you used to have to You used to have to know what to write in in the code and then you could record a demo.
00:30:58.000And you would record a demo and this way you'd be watching the game play out from the person's eyes.
00:32:05.000You'd have to time it just absolutely perfectly, and these guys would be able to do things with those railguns that were just so impressive to someone who sucked like me.
00:32:14.000You'd watch it, and you'd watch it through their eyes.
00:32:16.000You're like, fuck, and it just made you realize how bad you sucked, and how good they are, and how much more you had to work at it.
00:32:25.000That was one of the weird things about those games is how deep the rabbit hole goes.
00:32:31.000The guys who were really good They were so much better than someone like me who was kind of okay.
00:32:39.000I was okay as long as I was playing somebody who sucked or somebody who was at my level who just really didn't know what they're doing.
00:32:58.000I would be constantly just engrossed in improving my performance in this fucking crazy game.
00:33:06.000And playing it online too was so exciting because you'd be playing against a bunch of people and these people would be In real time, essentially, there was a little bit of lag in between when you would shoot and when it would show up on the screen, depending upon how fast your connection was.
00:33:23.000But if you had a pretty decent connection, like cable modem or something like that, and the person was near you fairly close in the same city or something like that, or at least in the same state, you'd get really commensurate pings, and you'd have these awesome matches where you'd be basically playing in real time against each other.
00:35:32.000His name was Rob, and Rob was in the back of the Comedy Store once, and he said he was addicted to EverQuest.
00:35:38.000And EverQuest was like World of Warcraft.
00:35:41.000It was one of those role-playing games, those multi-person Weird world games where you, you know, I'm a sorcerer and you have a cloak and go get a bag of gold and wacky fucking games.
00:36:00.000And one of the things that he said was, he said, I'm so good at making money in the game world, but so bad at making money in the real world.
00:36:12.000And the way he said it was like this revelation, like, what the fuck is wrong with me?
00:36:49.000If you play a game, like say if you play a baseball game and you knock a home run out of the park and everybody cheers and you run the bases and you high five your teammates and you have a good time, that's a real memory.
00:37:04.000But if you play a guy in a video game and you play for eight hours and you beat him in some crazy match, when it's over you don't feel like anything really happened.
00:37:17.000I wonder if that's the case if someone's playing in a major tournament.
00:37:20.000Maybe it was just me because I had the thought in my head that I was wasting my time, that I should be doing other things.
00:37:29.000I have things that I need to be doing, and I'm fucking off and playing this video game.
00:37:34.000And so I had a negative attachment to the idea of playing a game.
00:37:38.000And maybe if I was one of those dudes in one of those StarCraft games, I don't know if you're familiar at all with video games, but if you are familiar, you know that they have these crazy StarCraft tournaments in Korea.
00:37:53.000I guess they have them in America too.
00:39:01.000So maybe those people that are playing these big time Starcraft tournaments, maybe to them it feels the same way as it would feel if you were a major league chess player and you won a tournament.
00:39:13.000It's weird because some games are highly respected and some games nobody gives a fuck about.
00:39:20.000Games, they carry their own sort of I don't know, not really prejudice, but games have their own little thing that are attached to them.
00:40:39.000Learned that I have a problem with games along the way, but I already knew that because of pool.
00:40:42.000And I knew that because of martial arts, too, because martial arts, it's very similar in a lot of ways to games.
00:40:49.000Most recent podcast with Brian Callen, we talked about that with, we were talking about Josh Waitzkin, who is a famous chess prodigy, who I feel like he was the inspiration behind the movie Searching for Bobby Fischer.
00:41:08.000Looking for Bobby Fischer or searching for Bobby Fischer?
00:41:11.000The movie with the little kid who's a chess master.
00:41:14.000I'm pretty sure Josh Waitkin was a big part of the motivation or the inspiration for that movie.
00:41:21.000And he went on to become really fascinated by jiu-jitsu, was a student of Marcelo Garcia.
00:41:28.000I'm pretty sure he's a black belt now.
00:41:30.000Back when I was communicating with him online, we were sending emails back and forth because my friend Nathan was training with him and he connected the two of us together.
00:41:52.000But Marcelo, M-I-G in action, was a really interesting website where Marcelo was constantly rolling with people, rolling with new people in his school.
00:42:03.000And he was, you know, people would come in and train with him.
00:42:06.000Like Eddie went down, Eddie Bravo went down there and he trained with him and they film it and they put the role, the sparring session online.
00:42:14.000They're all very friendly sparring sessions but, you know, competitive.
00:42:17.000And if you don't know Marcelo Garcia, he is a fascinating character himself.
00:42:22.000He's a brilliant, brilliant jujitsu player.
00:42:34.000He's getting older and he stepped down, but I had the opportunity to watch him compete in 2003 in Brazil, in Sao Paulo, Brazil.
00:42:45.000That was back when Eddie Bravo choked out Hoyle Gracie, or tapped out Hoyle Gracie with a triangle choke.
00:42:52.000He was the first American to ever tap a Gracie.
00:42:55.000And in that main tournament, this huge Abu Dhabi submission tournament, the star of the show was Marcelo Garcia.
00:43:05.000He was without a doubt the star of the show.
00:43:07.000He fought this guy, he had a match with this guy, Victor Shaolin Hubero, who was a very respected jiu-jitsu guy, and he choked him unconscious.
00:45:04.000When you look at Marcelo Garcia, he's like a really smiley guy.
00:45:08.000And because of the fact that he wasn't a very physically, not that he wasn't physically strong, but he wasn't a freak athlete.
00:45:16.000He wasn't just explosive, dominant, just really muscular guy.
00:45:19.000He developed just razor-sharp technique and leverage.
00:45:24.000And that's how he won his matches, which made it even more impressive, really.
00:45:33.000His main techniques were chokes, so most of the time he's putting guys to sleep or forcing them to tap.
00:45:40.000But there was a lot of techniques that were really common, well-respected techniques that he just never used, and he would openly talk about them, like the Kimura, which is a famous technique.
00:45:50.000It's actually called the double wrist lock in catch wrestling.
00:45:55.000Catch wrestling, When people think about pro wrestling, when you think about pro wrestling, you think about like Hulk Hogan and The Rock and the theatrics and these pre-scripted events.
00:46:07.000But wrestling used to be, at one point in time, it used to be an actual match.
00:46:14.000Like there was actual professional wrestling.
00:46:17.000And there was a style of wrestling called catch or catch as catch can.
00:46:27.000There's these guys like Carl Gotch and Farmer Burns and a lot of guys who wound up teaching some modern day MMA fighters and grappling competitors like Josh Barnett.
00:46:41.000Josh Barnett is probably the most famous and the most successful catch wrestling player.
00:46:49.000Like Josh Barnett has tapped out some really famous Brazilian Jiu Jitsu competitors like Hiran Gracie or Dean Lister.
00:47:00.000Dean Lister being incredibly impressive because Dean hadn't tapped to anybody in, God, I want to say at least 10 years when Josh finished him in this competition called Metamorris.
00:47:59.000Back in the days of the Spartans and the Romans, if you look at some of the statues, I was in Italy recently and we went to Rome and we looked at some of the artwork of the Vatican in particular.
00:48:12.000There's just a lot of statues of guys wrestling.
00:48:15.000A lot of looks like grappling holds and grappling positions.
00:48:22.000But what Brazilian Jiu Jitsu really was is these guys who are not very big, Elio and Carlos Gracie, they weren't the biggest guys in the world.
00:48:33.000They were small and they weren't physically strong.
00:48:35.000They figured out how to use technique and leverage to overcome physical strength.
00:48:41.000And one of the matches that Elio got in early in his career, he would have these crazy matches with people.
00:48:49.000Had a match with this guy named Kimura.
00:48:53.000And Kimura caught him in what catch wrestling would call a double wrist lock, where you clamp down one hand on the wrist, and then you throw an overhook around the arm, And clamp your other hand down on your wrist.
00:49:11.000So you have one hand on his wrist, one hand on your wrist, and it creates this awesome fulcrum point, and you can manipulate someone's arm.
00:49:19.000But Marcelo Garcia always felt like that position required a lot of physical strength.
00:49:24.000And he wasn't a very strong guy, so he just abandoned it.
00:49:28.000He just decided it wasn't an option, and he was just going to concentrate primarily on things that were sort of It just had ultimate technique to them.
00:49:39.000And chokes pretty much have ultimate technique.
00:49:41.000And one of the reasons why a choke is an ultimate technique is if someone lands it perfectly, you go unconscious.
00:49:48.000Whereas an arm bar, guys have gotten their arm broken before and come back and fought and won.
00:49:55.000And had their arm awfully hyperextended and come back and won.
00:50:01.000A perfect example in jiu-jitsu is Hodger Gracie versus Jacare.
00:50:07.000It's a very famous match between two guys that are competing in MMA now, but back when they were fighting in jiu-jitsu, they were amongst the best in the world.
00:50:15.000And Hodger Gracie caught He put Jacare in an arm bar and snapped his arm, and Jacare would not tap.
00:50:25.000He would not tap, and he fought out of it, and eventually he was ahead on points when he got up, when he got out of the arm bar, but his arm was just destroyed.
00:50:36.000So if I remember correctly, I think he might have even tucked his arm inside his belt and just kept going until the time limit ran out.
00:50:46.000And then raised his one good arm and got all excited and had won because he gutted it out and would not tap when this guy snapped his fucking arm.
00:50:57.000And this is, by the way, professional jiu-jitsu.
00:51:00.000This isn't even MMA. This is not like a Ronda Rousey match or a Conor McGregor fight where they're making millions and millions of dollars.
00:51:08.000I don't know how much money this guy was getting paid for this jiu-jitsu match in his sponsors and how much it was actually worth to him.
00:51:16.000As far as his pride, it was worth it to him to actually get his arm broken instead of tapping, which is fucking crazy.
00:51:26.000So, boy, that's a long and circuitous, I've lost my own train of thought.
00:51:31.000My train of thought was that there's certain techniques that you could really hurt a guy, but they don't have to quit.
00:51:39.000And Hadra Gracie landed the perfect arm bar on Jacare, broke his arm, and Jacare still won the fight.
00:51:47.000I mean, if they had been fighting old-school, Gracie way, Hadjer probably would have eventually got him because Jacare really couldn't defend himself correctly anymore.
00:51:55.000And he would eventually, since he's only got one arm to defend himself, Hadjer probably would have wound up choking him or catching him in something else.
00:52:04.000But, you know, it's entirely possible he wouldn't, and it's entirely possible that Jacare, even with a broken arm, could have gotten him.
00:52:09.000But the point being, When you choke someone to sleep, instead of break their arm, they can't do anything.
00:52:43.000It's a crazy, crazy video that you can watch on YouTube.
00:52:47.000So Josh Waitzkin, who was a student of Marcelo's, put all of Marcelo's moves and sort of Just sort of like as something that people can learn from and grow from and put it all online.
00:53:12.000Obviously, because he's a chess prodigy, is fascinated by games, and chess being one of the most intellectually inspiring games got really into jiu-jitsu as well.
00:53:21.000So I just know because of the way I got into martial arts and the way I got into video games and pool, there's something about those weird challenges that can really They can really excite the mind.
00:53:35.000The only problem is I don't necessarily know if they have the same kind of real-world benefits as getting really good at a sport or getting really good at an actual physical activity where you move around and do things.
00:53:52.000But we will eventually do a Doom podcast and I will prepare myself where I make sure that there's no fucking way I get completely and totally addicted anymore.
00:54:14.000Who will do international pay-per-view instead of you?
00:54:18.000If you don't know what that question is about, I decided recently, at one point in time I was going to not work for the UFC anymore.
00:54:26.000I was going to just do these fight companion podcasts that I do with Eddie Bravo and Brendan Schaub and Brian Callen sometimes, and other people sometimes too when those guys are out of town.
00:54:53.000Between stand-up comedy, writing stand-up comedy, doing podcasts, researching the guests, researching subjects, researching potential guests, and then Life.
00:55:09.000All the other things that I have to do.
00:57:19.000When I know something is going to make me feel physically bad and make me feel unhealthy, I try to avoid it as much as possible.
00:57:28.000Sometimes I give in, like maybe I'll have a couple of drinks with some friends and we get a little crazy, and the next day I'm like, oh, you dummy.
00:57:37.000I've done that before, obviously, but even the I feel better in a day.
00:57:45.000Those fucking jet lags, like a flight from, whoops, a flight from Sydney, just knocked over the phone, a flight from Sydney, Australia, that shit takes me a long time to get better from.
00:58:33.000I actually trained with Dan for years.
00:58:36.000Back in the day when Dan used to train at 10th Planet Jiu Jitsu, whenever he was in town, he was getting ready for a fight, he would come to Eddie Bravo's gym and train.
01:00:46.000The idea is, if there, it's named after, I'll go to the Wikipedia.
01:00:51.000The Fermi Paradox is named after Enrico Fermi as the apparent contradiction between the lack of evidence and the high probability estimates, those given by the Drake Equation, for the existence of extraterrestrial civilizations.
01:01:07.000And the Drake Equation It's an equation that's, here I'll go to the Wikipedia of that.
01:01:17.000It's used to arrive at an estimate of the number of active, communicative, extraterrestrial civilizations in the Milky Way galaxy.
01:01:28.000And the Fermi paradox is, if you look at all of the stars in our galaxy alone, billions of stars, and billions of galaxies, hundreds of billions of stars, hundreds of billions of galaxies,
01:01:44.000many of them which are many, many, many years older than our galaxy, many years older than our planet, the question is, why haven't these aliens contacted us?
01:01:58.000So that's the question, the Fermi Paradox.
01:02:01.000I've thought about this a lot, so I'm actually happy about this question.
01:02:05.000I have a feeling that our ideas about what A society or what civilization does as it advances are based entirely on our idea that we are dependent upon the monkey body.
01:02:23.000That we're dependent upon the physical flesh and the idea of being somewhere in a measurable way.
01:02:32.000That that's the only way you can experience something.
01:02:36.000I think that's That's an error on our part.
01:02:43.000I don't think that we are going to be attached to the physical body forever.
01:02:47.000This sounds like hippie nonsense, silly woo-woo bullshit, but this is my thought behind it.
01:02:56.000I think that, first of all, we are moving closer and closer every day to being integrated with technology.
01:03:05.000And by integrated with technology, I think initially it's going to happen where there's going to be some sort of a chip that we have.
01:03:13.000In our body, whether it's something that we use that helps us and enhances our vision or enhances our mental function or our ability to communicate with each other or our ability to access information, it's entirely possible that it might start out as some sort of a helmet that we put on that lets us,
01:03:33.000you know, like maybe like a ball cap with electrodes on it.
01:03:37.000And you put this thing on, And it stimulates areas of your brain that allow you to see these images and maybe perhaps some sort of a screen-like minority report.
01:03:50.000It'll be in front of you where you'll be able to access data, where you'll be able to ask it questions.
01:03:56.000I mean, I have this Hey Siri function.
01:03:59.000We have this Hey Siri function on our phones that...
01:04:03.000People get pissed off when I say it, when I say those words on the podcast, because if you have an Android phone, you don't know this, but if you have an iPhone, you have that option on.
01:04:11.000If someone says those words, hey Siri, your phone goes ba-ding, like you're asking it a question.
01:05:11.000What is really, as long as human beings stay alive, as long as we don't get nuked, as long as we don't murk ourselves, as long as we don't get fucked up by a super volcano or an asteroid or some polar shift or some natural disaster,
01:05:30.000as long as that doesn't happen, and we just, not we, obviously not me, but people smarter than me who do this kind of shit, they're going to continue to innovate.
01:05:39.000And as they continue to innovate, we're going to get technology that is more and more powerful and I think more and more integrated in our lives and in our physical bodies.
01:05:52.000I think there's going to be a bottleneck where holding a device in your hand, it just doesn't have the same effect or do the same amount of things.
01:06:04.000As they could do if they actually put it in your head.
01:06:07.000And I think people are going to fucking volunteer for it.
01:06:10.000I think they're going to volunteer for it like they volunteer for braces, like they get eyeglasses at the optometrist, like they get fake tits.
01:06:20.000People are going to get these things put in their bodies, and it's going to be really common.
01:06:24.000And maybe it won't even have to be in your brain.
01:06:32.000It'll communicate with your brain through the nervous system or through electrical impulses, through your tissue itself.
01:06:40.000And maybe that, along with some sort of a hat that you put on that allows you to interface with the Internet, That's going to be a step.
01:06:48.000But somewhere along the line, if you listen to guys like Ray Kurzweil, Ray believes that you're going to eventually be able to download your consciousness into a computer.
01:08:06.000And if someone came along Like, what was that guy's name in The Matrix?
01:08:12.000The guy who wound up selling everybody out, who just said he wanted to be famous or rich or something like that.
01:08:18.000He's eating a steak in The Matrix and he decides to give in.
01:08:23.000That kind of existence, if someone comes along and says, look, you don't have to live this life in the physical sense anymore, instead of being dependent upon this monkey body and the tooth fang and claw of natural selection and evolution and just the struggle,
01:08:46.000the struggle of being a fucking human being, instead of that, You can exist in this perfect state where you are constantly in love and just filled with joy and having a wonderful life filled with only positive experiences.
01:09:06.000And you can enjoy this With no negative repercussions.
01:09:13.000You can become a part of the matrix, a part of the thing, whatever they're going to call it.
01:09:19.000And from there, you will be the architect of your existence.
01:09:55.000But is that the only way that we can appreciate each other?
01:09:58.000Is that the only way we can enjoy life?
01:10:00.000Some people would say yes, but I don't think they'd really know.
01:10:03.000I think that's just, we're basing that on what we have experienced and what we currently, the data we're pulling from being a human being living on Earth.
01:10:12.000If someone can engineer, and this is not something that might happen in a year or in 100 years, but we might be talking about something that happens in 1,000 years or 2,000 years.
01:10:26.000But around the same time where we think that a technologically based civilization would develop the capability of star travel, of being able to travel not just into another solar system,
01:10:41.000but perhaps into another galaxy, maybe hundreds of galaxies away.
01:11:19.000Like, it might not actually be happening.
01:11:22.000Like, if you have this experience where you take a psychedelic drug and you are transported to the center of the universe and you are communicating with love, with love in the form of Beautifully lit, neon, geometric patterns that are constantly changing and morphing and they're filling you up with wisdom and joy and appreciation.
01:11:48.000Well, people say, well, that's a hallucination.
01:11:50.000You're taking a drug and you're having a hallucination.
01:11:54.000But, either way, the experience is still the same.
01:12:00.000Like, the experience of meeting God because you took mushrooms And having this incredible meeting with the divine force of the universe, if that happens in real life or if that happens in a psychedelic drug trip,
01:12:19.000the feeling and the experience are still the same.
01:12:22.000It might not be a real physical thing in the sense of you might not be able to take it and put it in a pillowcase and throw it on a scale and weigh it, but Who's to say you could ever do that anyway?
01:12:37.000It's the exact same experience of meeting God.
01:12:40.000It might be just as good, is my point.
01:12:44.000So, this idea that, well, I don't want to live in the matrix, man.
01:12:55.000I mean, is the only reason why we think that the real world contains some sort of benefit for us is because that's the only model that we have to go on?
01:13:05.000That this is the pattern that we've been following our whole lives?
01:13:08.000That this idea that you live and then you die and then you do your best along the way and sometimes you've got to push through the pain and sometimes you've got to fucking get up in the morning when you don't want to get up and you've got to work hard and when you work hard it pays off and you get a good life Your discipline equals your freedom.
01:13:26.000There's a lot of thoughts that we have about living life that are applicable to this physical, knock-on-wood life, this real life that you and I are experiencing right now.
01:13:35.000Everybody listening to this podcast, you had to plug your phone in, you had to listen to it on a computer, you had to touch some things, and something had to happen for you to experience something in a real sense.
01:13:48.000But that's just because this is what we're used to.
01:13:52.000We're definitely not used to, if you talk about human beings, if you went back 200 years ago, we're definitely not used to the internet.
01:14:14.000The idea of not being able to take photos on vacation is alien.
01:14:18.000The idea of having to get in a boat and travel across the country, like I was talking about How I just got back from Italy.
01:14:26.000If I lived in the 1800s, I would have had to have been on a boat for months.
01:14:31.000I would have had to have made it from California all the way to New York, and then I would have had to have been in a fucking boat and gone across the ocean the same way my grandparents did when they were little kids.
01:14:44.000My grandparents came over here from Italy when they were like, I think my grandfather was like seven years old, I think he said.
01:14:51.000I would have had to have done all that stuff.
01:15:17.000All these things that are now a normal, everyday part of our lives were alien just a few hundred years ago, which in terms of human civilization and certainly in terms of the life of human beings,
01:15:33.000the existence of human beings, it's not even a blink of an eye.
01:15:36.000This is all new and we couldn't imagine life without it.
01:15:41.000I think if time keeps going, or if rather civilization keeps going, over time, if we don't do something incredibly stupid or get fucked up in some sort of a natural catastrophe, we're going to come up with an ability to manipulate our environment,
01:15:56.000our world, our perceptions, our mind to create an artificial world, an artificial universe that's impossible for our little fucking chimpanzee brains To imagine.
01:16:10.000I don't think we have the capacity to connect all the dots.
01:16:16.000I think with each new invention, It opens up a new complete realm of possibility.
01:16:22.000You couldn't say to someone in 1800, one day you're going to have Google, because they'd be like, what the fuck are you talking about?
01:16:30.000Well, one day you're going to be able to talk to your phone, what the fuck is a phone?
01:16:34.000Well, one day you're going to be able to talk to your electronic device, what's electronics?
01:16:41.000You would be saying something to them that didn't make any sense at all.
01:16:46.000That, I think, is how we have to look at the possibility for two or three hundred years from now.
01:16:54.000There's going to be new things that get invented along the way.
01:16:57.000In the Old West, it was electricity, metals, new ways of connecting things, and then teletype, and Morse code, and all these different things got invented before they invented computers, the internet, the world we're dealing with right now.
01:17:15.000When you look at two, three hundred years from now, I think it's entirely possible that these ideas that we have about what the future is going to be like, there's big chunks missing.
01:17:30.000There's chunks missing from our thought process and it's because these paradigm shifting revelations Inventions and innovations, they haven't occurred yet.
01:17:44.000And when those things do occur, I think it's gonna forever change what the future will be.
01:17:50.000And as these things occur, whether it's the ability to download consciousness or whether it's the ability to record thoughts in your own mind, record memories, dreams, That's a real possibility.
01:18:05.000What they're thinking is there's going to be a time where you are going to have a hard drive, like a virtual hard drive, or a physical hard drive, rather.
01:18:14.000Like someone's going to put an SD card slot in your head, not an SD card slot, but something probably much smaller.
01:18:20.000It might even be as small as, like Ray Kurzweil said, as a cell, like a blood cell, like one red blood cell in your body.
01:18:30.000That's a machine or a computer or a camera.
01:18:51.000If Ashton Kutcher decides to record his thoughts and his life and his day and to take it and upload it to the web and you could feel what it feels like to be him.
01:19:04.000Or maybe someone who you would always love to find out how they think.
01:19:49.000I think that is as inevitable as recording a picture of your kid blowing out their birthday cake and you're watching a video on your iPhone.
01:19:58.000When you're doing that, when you're videotaping someone's wedding, when you're videotaping a sporting event, when you're holding your camera up at the UFC and you're watching the fights, you're capturing time.
01:20:09.000You are capturing an image of something.
01:20:13.000We're so used to it, we don't even understand how fucking insane it is.
01:20:20.000It is so insane that you could take something that's so small, it's not even as thick as a deck of cards.
01:20:26.000You take it out of your pocket and It could film hours of shit.
01:20:34.000You can capture hours of images and then you show it to me and you could have been on the other side of the world.
01:20:41.000You could be in New Zealand and you could be filming Some insane mountain view that was in the movie The Hobbit and it could be you and your friends and your backpacking there and you're laughing and joking and you make a video and then you can send it to me through the fucking air and it could reach my phone on the other side of the planet in seconds.
01:21:55.000You're gonna be able to feel emotions.
01:21:57.000I think we're gonna be able to record thoughts and ideas in the same way we're able to encode and record visual images, like photographs, or audio, like this podcast.
01:22:10.000I'm sitting here right now, what time is it?
01:22:23.000I was listening to this Alan Watts recording the other day that was on universal basic income, which is a constant subject right now.
01:22:34.000It's been going on around the idea of if you actually just gave people money so that they could live.
01:22:39.000So they didn't have to worry about making a living.
01:22:42.000It would open them up to a lot of other possibilities.
01:22:44.000And this idea that putting people on welfare or the dole, it just makes them lazy, might not necessarily be true, and that it actually might be better if we didn't look at it that way, if we just looked at it the way of, once your basic needs are covered, then you're free to express yourself in a much more natural way without desperation.
01:23:02.000And that desperation Doesn't always mean you're gonna make the best decisions, and it really would cost us less if we gave people money.
01:23:11.000Okay, anyway, point being, this is an Alan Watts discussion where Alan Watts was making a speech about this from the 1960s.
01:23:20.000So it was more than 50 years old, I think, somewhere around 50. Point being, it's entirely possible that this recording that I'm making right now,
01:23:36.000someday somebody might listen to 50 years from now, 100 years from now, 200 years from now, and they'll laugh.
01:23:43.000They'll laugh at how wrong I got it, or maybe they'll laugh at how I called it.
01:23:47.000And we will be living in some sort of a strange world where reality is not something that you measure.
01:23:56.000You can't take a ruler to it or measure the temperature of it or put it on a scale.
01:24:03.000It might be something that exists in some sort of a quasi-reality setting.
01:24:11.000Where it's real, you're experiencing it, but it doesn't exist in a physical form.
01:24:22.000It's entirely possible that we, through technology, figure out a way to create not just an alternative dimension, but infinite alternative dimensions.
01:24:39.000So this idea that we're just going to...
01:24:42.000Get to a certain point where we realize that we could build a spaceship the size of the Empire State Building and fucking shoot off the Alpha Centauri and set up shop there and find some snails and turn them into people.
01:25:03.000I think we may, for the next foreseeable future, for the foreseeable future, we might be sending robots to Mars like we're doing now.
01:25:12.000We might send them off to Pluto and to these other planets.
01:25:14.000We might get invaluable data about the nature of our solar system.
01:25:19.000There's this planet that they think is outside of Pluto's orbit.
01:25:24.000Past the Kuiper belt now, they're calling it Planet X, and people have talked about this forever.
01:25:29.000There's some giant ass planet out there that's, I think it's more than four times larger than Earth, and they're pretty sure it exists, like 90-something percent sure.
01:25:38.000Yeah, and that's all awesome and fascinating and amazing and beautiful, but I have a feeling that our future doesn't exist in a physical sense the way we think it does.
01:25:47.000I think we're married to this idea because it's all we've ever known, but I don't necessarily think It's all we're capable of.
01:25:56.000I think it's entirely possible that one day we might create a whole new world.
01:26:03.000And this also might be possible with the advent of artificial intelligence.
01:26:10.000Artificial intelligence is another fucking rabbit hole because if you want to get your mind blown, listen to, I don't think it was the last one.
01:26:20.000I think Sam Harris and I have talked about it twice.
01:26:24.000We talked about it on, I think, the last podcast and maybe even more in depth, the podcast before.
01:26:33.000I've done more than 800 fucking podcasts now, so Even though my memory's pretty decent, I really lose track of which one was what and what was happening when, The point being, the conversation that I had with him about artificial intelligence was a mind-blower,
01:26:51.000a real mind-blower, where it's, in my eyes, it's one of those things, just like we're talking about technological innovation.
01:27:01.000I think everyone would say, everyone, I mean just conservative, People that are dreamers.
01:27:09.000If we start talking about the potential for the future, is there going to be innovation?
01:27:19.000If people don't blow themselves up, If we don't get hit by an asteroid, if Yellowstone doesn't explode and wipe out everyone in North America, will we continue to make better electronics?
01:27:41.000Artificial intelligence is almost inevitable.
01:27:44.000If it's 100 years from now, if it's 200 years from now, whatever it is, one day, eventually, they're going to figure out a way to make something that can think for itself.
01:27:53.000Tesla has fucking cars that drive themselves now.
01:27:57.000You can press auto drive, or whatever the button is that you press, And these fucking things will drive.
01:28:19.000Nobody thought in 2006, 10 years from now, we're going to have driverless cars.
01:28:24.000Cars that you take your hand off the wheel.
01:28:26.000There's a hilarious photo of a guy They snapped pictures of him on the highway, I think it was outside of San Francisco, where he was asleep, asleep at the wheel, going to work, and his car was driving down the highway.
01:28:46.000I think we could guess, I think we could have beautiful ideas, but I think when every new invention gets created, and every new door that gets opened up by new technologies, It creates the potential for a gang of other exponentially increasing new technologies.
01:29:07.000So, with artificial intelligence, I think it's entirely possible that we can Literally create something that creates universes.
01:29:21.000Something that creates universes that don't exist in a physical sense, like you go to the moon, you pick up moon rocks, you come back to Earth, but rather something that exists in Another dimension.
01:29:34.000That we find portals or gateways or that we find frequencies.
01:29:40.000I've always thought that it's possible that planets themselves or that, rather, reality itself is like a station on the dial.
01:29:50.000And I've read that scientists believe that there are at least 11 dimensions I don't know how they understand this.
01:30:00.000That's when they get to those yellow legal notepads where those guys scribble shit down on it.
01:30:08.000But you have to be a theoretical physicist in order to understand what the fuck they're writing.
01:30:13.000I think those guys have come up with some equation that they all agree upon, where they believe that it is entirely possible that there are 11 dimensions, at least.
01:30:38.0001955 compared to 2016, it is a blink of an eye.
01:30:42.000It seems like 60 plus years for us, but it ain't shit in terms of the world, in terms of human history, and in terms of the evolution of this bizarre talking monkey.
01:30:58.000And in that time, things have changed in spectacular ways.
01:31:03.000I think it's entirely possible that through especially the invention and innovation of artificial intelligence and its ability to innovate, Its ability to improve upon ideas that human beings have created,
01:31:18.000because that was one of the most mind-blowing parts about the Sam Harris podcast, was he said that within weeks they will be able to do 10,000 plus years of what it would take us as far as innovation.
01:31:31.000So the world will change so fast once artificial intelligence is, once it goes live, once Skynet goes live.
01:31:41.000The world's gonna change so much that it's almost impossible for us to understand.
01:31:49.000I'm standing up here now because I'm kind of freaking myself out.
01:31:55.000And my throat is getting a little scratchy.
01:32:00.000That's what I think about the Fermi Paradox.
01:32:03.000I think that We're gonna outgrow this idea of being somewhere in a physical sense.
01:32:11.000And I think that if there are aliens, they're gonna contact us through our own minds.
01:32:17.000They're gonna contact us through dreams.
01:32:20.000I mean, aliens might exist in the form of imagination.
01:32:25.000Imagination itself might be like a kind of energy, almost like a life form.
01:32:32.000If you look around at the world, Obviously imagination is something that comes out of the brain and people create things and the idea that it's a life form is ridiculous.
01:32:45.000But the imagination is responsible for every single physical thing that human beings have ever created.
01:32:52.000This building that I'm in right now came about because of the imagination.
01:32:56.000The phone that I'm talking on came about because of the imagination.
01:33:00.000Without the thought of these ideas, without someone saying, hmm, what would happen if we took this mud and turned it into a square and then dried it out?
01:35:50.000You can't go to the store and, hey, I tested positive for imagination.
01:35:53.000No, it's just there, and you access it, and you sit around, you daydream, and you lay on your back in the grass, and you come up with an idea.
01:36:08.000But if you look around at this fucking spectacular world that you see in front of you when you step outside of your house, this bizarre world, that if you lived in a natural world, if you lived in a jungle or if you lived in a mountain setting and you had never seen human civilization,
01:36:26.000you were confronted with it for the first time, you would freak the fuck out.
01:36:33.000That kind of bizarre thing is creating these enormous structures with glass and stone and on a scale that is, it is impossible to comprehend a human being creating a skyscraper.
01:37:32.000It's been kind of put in our head since we were young because we're taught to be pragmatic or we're taught to be disciplined and taught to go out there and get things done and pull yourself up by your bootstraps and all these like hardcore sort of I don't know what the word I'm looking for,
01:37:50.000organic ways of looking at productivity in life, but ultimately this imagination is gonna lead us to create something that can change the very nature of what life is.
01:38:08.000So if that made any sense at all to anybody but me, I'd be fucking shocked.
01:38:16.000God damn, that was a long-ass fucking answer.
01:38:19.000It is almost 7 o'clock here, and I've got to leave soon, so maybe I'll answer one more.
01:38:27.000Thoughts on the Putin-Russia-Trump implications around the Democratic Party WikiLeaks email reveals.
01:38:33.000I think that people were saying that Trump was going to get in trouble because he told Russia to hack Hillary Clinton's emails or hack the Democratic Party Party WikiLeaks emails,
01:39:20.000And they were actively trying to make her Be the representative for the party.
01:39:29.000And then when the woman who has to step down because of the emails, she has to step down because it's revealed that they were actively plotting to get Bernie Sanders in, or excuse me, Hillary Clinton in over Bernie Sanders.
01:39:43.000She, after she steps down, immediately gets hired by Hillary Clinton.
01:39:53.000I think what I was saying earlier, that one of the good things about a guy like Gary Johnson is we're realizing how stupid this fucking two-party system is.
01:41:14.000There's too many of us and people know too much.
01:41:16.000It's not 1800s where you needed this sort of representative government because you couldn't get to those people and they couldn't get their opinion to you.
01:41:36.000I'm going to try to get Ian McCall on and either I'll attach it to this podcast or I'll put it on a second one, depending on how much Ian and I talk, but this one has gone for an hour and 34 minutes.
01:41:52.000I was like, what the fuck am I going to talk about?
01:41:55.000Meanwhile, I couldn't shut the fuck up.
01:41:57.000It's weird when I'm doing these things because You're trying to not be conscious of the fact that you're doing one of these things.
01:42:03.000So you're just trying to let the thoughts flow.
01:42:06.000But in the meantime, it's like you have to resist the urge to think about the fact that you're talking.
01:42:12.000And that you're talking into a phone, and that you're trying not to fuck it up, and you're trying to be as honest and transparent about your thoughts as possible, while still making it entertaining, don't say too many ums, don't ramble too much, is weird.
01:42:28.000I've done these before in the past, but I haven't done one like this in a long time.
01:42:32.000It just shows you how talented Bill Burr is, because that fucking guy does one of these Every Monday and every Thursday.
01:42:38.000Bill Burr, if you haven't heard his podcast, it's awesome.
01:42:41.000It's the Bill Burr Monday Morning Podcast, but he also does a Thursday version of it, which I think he calls the Thursday Afternoon Monday Morning Podcast.
01:42:54.000He's a good friend of mine and a brilliant comedian, and he's also a guy who's singular in his focus, and I really admire him as a comic, and it's one of the things I was thinking about when I was thinking that maybe I would stop doing commentary.
01:43:07.000I'm like, this fucking guy just does stand-up.
01:43:43.000I may do this again, or I might be completely fucking burnt out.
01:43:48.000Or I might freak myself out about how goddamn crazy I sound when I start rambling about artificial intelligence and the The birth of alternative dimensions and universes out of the mind of monkeys.
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