On this week's episode, the boys discuss the recent mass shooting in Las Vegas, the new Apple emoji, and gender neutral emojis in iOS 10.1, and much, much more! Also, we talk about the fact that we don't need an exclamation mark anymore, and why that's a good thing. We're back on track with our regular segments, and we'll be back next week with a brand new episode of the podcast! Logo by Courtney DeKorte. Theme by Mavus White. Music by PSOVOD and tyops. The opinions stated here are our own, not those of our companies, and do not necessarily reflect those of any other companies. We do not own any of the music used in this episode. All credit goes to original artists and labels. This episode was produced and edited by Riley Bray. If you like what you hear, please leave us a rating and review on Apple Podcasts! or wherever else you get your content. Thank you for listening and supporting this podcast. I really appreciate it. -Jon Sorrentino and the support we've gotten so far this week. Timestamps: 1:00:00 - What's your favorite emoji? 2:30 - How do you feel about this episode? 3:40 - What would you like to see in the future of this podcast? 4:20 - Which emoji should be gender neutral? 5:15 - What are you looking for in the most? 6:15: What do you think of the future? 7:00 8:10 - What kind of emoji you'd like to have? 9: Which emoji do you want to see more of? 11:00 What is your favorite? 12:00 Do you have a favorite emoji you would like me use? 13:00 Would you like me to use in a sentence? 15:00 Can I use a comma? 16:00 Should I use it more? 17:00 Is there a comma or not? 19:00 How do I need a comma in a comma here? 18: What is a comma to use it? 21: What's a comma not a comma I'll see a comma ? 22:00 Does that make you like it better than that? 23:00 Are you having a word?
00:01:10.000It's time to really talk about using these gun gestures because honestly, I know it's not really hurting anybody, but we have to pay respect to the people who have lost their lives from these terrible weapons.
00:01:23.000And I just think we should remove it for reals.
00:01:25.000You just show me the replacement emoji.
00:01:29.000They got rid of the pistol and they turned it into a water gun.
00:01:33.000I'll tell you, man, every time I looked at that old pistol emoji, and this is no joke, when I used to look at it, it just filled me with a desire to go shoot up a fucking shopping mall, that emoji.
00:03:28.000You can control it a little bit, the smiley face emoji.
00:03:32.000You just need to be able to dial it in a little bit more.
00:03:34.000Do you think by limiting, like, by keeping it more open-ended, right?
00:03:40.000Like, instead of having a bunch of, like, descriptives, nouns and verbs and things like that, instead of that, having more of an open-ended idea, like a smiley face.
00:04:17.000I just want to go I'm gonna see him in like 20 minutes It's way easier to do like an alien head a thumbs up and a smiley face that says everything It's fun, too.
00:04:27.000Yeah It's fun when someone sends you an alien head and then a pile of shit.
00:04:32.000And you're like, what the hell does that mean?
00:05:09.000It's like a short, it's like these are jokes, these are like punchlines, but sometimes better than someone saying anything because you're seeing it.
00:05:18.000Like Tom Segura had one on his page today with his face, and there's a popular one that keeps going around, When You Nut But She Keeps Sucking.
00:08:06.000Who, like, it's so funny, when he died, he guaranteed did not think he would land in a, when you nut and she could keep sucking meme, that the power of his death, that he would shatter into a million things, and one of them is a meme.
00:08:22.000Well, here's the thing about these memes.
00:08:24.000There's guys who are like meme artists, and they're really, really funny.
00:08:29.000And then there's also people that They're kind of like Carlos Mencia memes.
00:08:36.000I probably should stop using that guy's name like that.
00:08:40.000What's really sad is everyone knows what that means.
00:08:44.000Someone just tweeted that there's a product in the UK That stole Mitch Hedberg's joke.
00:08:54.000It's a rice product that has just written in the back his joke, like when you want to eat rice, when you want to eat 2,000 of the same things or whatever.
00:09:03.000They just popped that right on the back, but they didn't credit him.
00:09:07.000They credited the name of their mascot for the company.
00:09:11.000Well, it's a problem with memes because people do it all the time.
00:09:15.000There's people that have pages where all their memes are someone else's that they don't give credit for.
00:09:52.000But if we spend too much time getting caught up in meme distribution, then we're gonna lose what is so beautiful about the thing, which is that I create some meme, upload it to the internet, and it either like just molders on Imgur or whatever,
00:10:07.000or It just scatters in a trillion pieces everywhere.
00:10:11.000There's something really cool and beautiful in that.
00:10:14.000And I don't think meme transmitters are thieves, mostly.
00:10:19.000There's just a few scumbags who take people's shit and don't credit them, and then they get punished.
00:10:25.000Usually they get punished by the internet, and severely.
00:10:36.000Because there's a bunch of people that are just really funny and maybe they're introverts and they never were really good at cracking jokes socially because they're nervous, but they're funny.
00:12:05.000I mean, every single word that a human being uses, theoretically, you could follow it backwards through time in the same way you follow any organic life form.
00:12:17.000You can look at the weird way that language mutates over time, and you know that somewhere way, way back in the back of the line, there had to be somebody who's like, We'll call it a mountain, or whatever the precursor term for mountain was.
00:12:40.000Isn't that the idea that at one point in time we all had a universal language, but it became a giant issue because people were sort of conspiring And they were talking too much.
00:12:51.000So one of the ways that God had separated us.
00:13:08.000Do you think that's a reverse engineered idea?
00:13:11.000Like do you think that someone who maybe has experienced like brief moments of human potential and realized like we're missing out on what people are capable of.
00:13:21.000There's got to be a way where we could all come together.
00:13:25.000But when there's people from one country, like Japan, and they're arguing with someone from Germany, and how much of what the fuck each person is saying is even getting through?
00:13:52.000Almost saying, imagine the power, the god-like power people could have if they could all openly and honestly communicate with each other freely.
00:14:01.000And experience this idea that you're not my enemy because you were born over there.
00:14:09.000This is some crazy old shit that we should have abandoned a long time ago.
00:14:12.000You are looking in the Bible, those stories.
00:14:16.000One thing that I just did, I'm so glad you brought this up, just for fun.
00:14:21.000One of my favorite in the New Testament, my favorite gospels, the book of John, and the very beginning of the book of John is some of the trippiest shit you'll ever read.
00:14:32.000I went back to that, and so I did a find and replace.
00:14:37.000Find and replace the word God with the programmer, and then you can start replacing words with modern-day simulation theory ideas.
00:14:48.000So, you know, when it talks about Jesus It's like he was sent into the simulation to bring an upgrade and those that accepted the upgrade would be children of the programmer.
00:15:04.000You start doing that and suddenly you look at this like amazing, it gets really trippy, right?
00:15:10.000So when you talk about the Tower of Babel and you look at it from the perspective of this is a simulation being run by some intelligent creator force, right?
00:15:21.000So you see again and again, well not again and again, but right now I can think of two times where the programmer looks at the simulations like, oh shit, they're about to wake up.
00:15:31.000Like the same way that Elon Musk is worried about AI becoming too powerful.
00:15:36.000In the Bible, the programmer gets really fucking uncomfortable when the simulation appears to be gaining too much power and has to like shift the programming a little bit because there appears to be some kind of In the mythology of the Bible,
00:15:53.000there seems to be a recurring nervousness that the programmer gets when it seems like the simulation is about to reach some certain level of power or awareness.
00:16:04.000In the book of Genesis, they say, you know, they ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, gained self-awareness, and there was another tree they weren't supposed to eat from, the tree of life.
00:16:15.000And God says, it's weird because in the Quran and in the In the Bible, it's referred to as the plural rather than the singular, so God doesn't – the verse is something like, you know, if they eat from the tree of life,
00:16:35.000So there's like, we can't keep these – we have to keep these beings Somewhat curtailed because we don't know what they're going to do if they gain too much power.
00:16:47.000And it kind of works from the simulation theory perspective.
00:16:50.000If we're a simulation that's on the precipice of a kind of singularity, which would be the simulation somehow becoming self-aware, then for whatever reason, whoever's running the show doesn't want that to happen or hasn't wanted it to happen throughout time,
00:17:51.000I mean, that's kind of, if you're translating stuff from ancient Hebrew, To Greek, to Latin, to all these different languages, to English, you know that there's some weird shit being lost along the way.
00:18:03.000And one of them is probably calling it a tree.
00:18:06.000Because we didn't even know there's a fucking amazing Radiolab out that's out right now.
00:18:13.000It's about trees and the intelligence of trees and that trees communicate and that they share resources and that they allocate resources toward the needier ones.
00:18:23.000They have this interaction with fungus, this symbiotic relationship with fungus.
00:18:30.000It is fucking incredible, man, where the fungus are eating these microscopic bugs and getting their nutrients from these microscopic bugs, and that's where the trees are getting their nutrients from, and some of them get them from salmon.
00:18:44.000There's trees that were like, they got 70% of their nitrogen from salmon because bears would eat under these trees.
00:18:51.000They would eat and they would leave fish heads under the trees, and the bears would continue to return to these same trees, and these trees would eat the fucking fish.
00:19:00.000The fungus inside their soil, the mycorrhizal relationship that they have, it's amazing, man.
00:20:07.000They don't need to do all those other things.
00:20:09.000We defined intelligence far too frequently by what we have created and what we can do with our fingers and with our mouths and with our ability to communicate with each other audibly.
00:20:20.000In a manner where I'm talking and you're hearing.
00:20:23.000And we don't respect other forms of communication because of this.
00:20:26.000We're so attached to our idea of what communicating is.
00:20:29.000We're ignoring some really basic shit with how these plants and these fungi communicate with each other.
00:20:37.000They're not just communicating with each other, they're sending signals.
00:20:40.000If one of them is getting eaten, they're sending signals through the air, and it's forcing the other plants to change the way they taste to discourage predation.
00:20:49.000They're communicating when they're hurt.
00:21:25.000So we are deeply, deeply woven into that fabric of intelligence that you're talking about to the point that we actually kind of grow out of that fabric of intelligence because we have a symbiotic relationship with plants just to exist on planet Earth.
00:21:43.000So you're talking about what is called Have you heard of the Web of Indra?
00:21:58.000So the idea is that a way to explain the sort of interconnectedness of all things is this like, imagine like a web or a net where at every single nexus point there is a jewel.
00:22:12.000The jeweled net of Indra, that's what it's called.
00:22:18.000Every creature on earth or in this universe that has any kind of sentience at all composes a tiny little jewel on this net.
00:22:29.000And so this net is every jewel is connected via like whatever connects us to plants.
00:22:36.000Everything is connected that's alive, which means that any slight Movement in any of these jewels creates a vibration that rolls through infinity, through the entire net of Indra, affecting all other sentient beings in some small way.
00:22:54.000It's basically the idea is, there it is, the jeweled net of Indra.
00:22:58.000So anything that you do, it gets sort of vibrated through the rest of the thing.
00:23:03.000Anything that happens in the micro happens in the macro.
00:23:10.000And it seems like this new discovery that's come out about plants has in some way really shone a light on the complexity of that Incredible net, you know, because it's so complex because then it gets down to probably the quantum level,
00:23:28.000I mean, if you think of the quantum reactions happening inside the plants to create these biochemical shifts, it's startling when you imagine all the weird chemical and atomic movement that's happening inside of the thing itself.
00:23:45.000It's overwhelmingly beautiful and hard to imagine that we get to be a piece of it, which is pretty cool.
00:23:51.000But the plants are sending email, you know, because we are the plants.
00:24:28.000But these are exopheromones coming into our biome and shifting our consciousness in a way to try to manipulate our behavior a little bit.
00:24:37.000And also, you know, all the stuff coming out of the gut biome, too.
00:24:42.000Like, not only is there this flourishing vegetable kingdom that is, like, clearly alive and has its own alien intelligence, but we've got fucking...
00:24:51.000These gut biomes filled with these bacteria that could theoretically be controlling our cravings, right?
00:25:01.000So we're being manipulated by these colonies of alien beings living in our guts, telling us, get another fucking candy bar, man.
00:25:50.000It's not a well-dressed man with a cape and fangs.
00:25:54.000You're looking at some kind of strange, globular, transforming bit of plasma that's swimming around inside of you, actively trying to destroy you.
00:27:17.000And the babies, there was a very high infant mortality rate, so I can't remember his name, but a doctor discovered, oh, wow, mind-blowing idea.
00:27:25.000You should wash your hands before you deliver a baby.
00:27:31.000He ended up in a fucking mental asylum because they weren't listening to him, and apparently a doctor said, gentlemen do not need to wash their hands.
00:28:38.000And it is going to create some fucking hilarious earthquakes in a lot of different relationships and marriages because people are going to have to define whether or not Fucking a hologram is a form of infidelity.
00:28:59.000Like you're gonna have to make a rule for that in your relationship.
00:29:31.000But in one millisecond, you get this feeling of like...
00:29:34.000Strange connection which is and again we're in the most rudimentary parts of VR only apparently only I just read this it might have been a dated article but only a hundred thousand people or so own an HTC Vive if that's drastically off you guys I'm sorry but not a lot of people have VR goggles right now so not a lot of people and there's a lot of us who are fucking Ear-beating people at parties who clearly just don't want to hear about it any more than you want to hear about someone
00:30:06.000But there's a huge group of people right now that are having some of the most psychedelic, mind-bending experiences through technology, and they can't even talk about it or describe it to people, because when you describe it, it's like you're talking about a dream.
00:30:20.000But you're like, no, this is happening to a lot of us right now.
00:30:24.000We're going into alternate dimensions via technology and hanging out there, enjoying it, experiencing the freedom from the confines of being Constantly,
00:30:39.000infinitely located in whatever physical space your body happens to be inhabiting.
00:30:45.000To suddenly remove that weight, so now I can pop these things on and instantly translocate to some art universe that some geniuses created.
00:30:56.000Fuck around, shoot arrows, wander through Minecraft.
00:31:00.000Have sex with two girls who I was apparently going to throw out of my house if they didn't fuck me.
00:32:20.000Because the girl's so beautiful, and she's so attractive.
00:32:25.000That guy, you could see, as much as he knew that she was a robot, as much as he knew that he wasn't a robot, as much as he knew that she was artificial, he was in love with her.
00:32:38.000And it seemed like she cared about him.
00:32:40.000And when she was talking to him for real, like when the lights went out and the camera was down, spoiler alert, and she was like, don't trust him.
00:32:57.000I mean, this whole distinction between artificial intelligence and intelligence is the same as the distinction between virtual reality and reality.
00:33:06.000It's just like another human attempt to be in control of something.
00:33:10.000You want to say, oh, I'll tell you if this is fucking reality or not.
00:33:15.000This isn't reality reality, but it's like, oh, really?
00:33:18.000So reality is compartmentalized into places where there's, if something is created by a human, oh, no, that's not real reality, even though humans are reality.
00:33:46.000Yeah, and again, I think it goes back to what we were talking about earlier, that we try to define intelligence by our own measures, like the ability to write something down, the ability to move.
00:33:56.000We have that inexorably connected to intelligence.
00:33:59.000You have to be able to move to show me your thinking and communicate it.
00:34:02.000What this woman was saying, a scientist on this Radiolab podcast, is that she goes, I don't want to say She's like, it's hard to say if they're intelligent.
00:34:13.000But what's going on is their network closely resembles a brain.
00:34:19.000The way it looks and also the way it's operating.
00:34:27.000There's data being passed back and forth that we're just, not we, not you, not me for sure, We're not doing any research, but these people, we are someone, I'm saying we as in humans, they're just figuring this out really recently.
00:34:41.000I think everything has a conscience, or a consciousness rather.
00:34:45.000I think everything that you eat, and I think that Obviously, plants, for the most part, are way less violent than animals.
00:34:55.000When you're taking in plants, it seems to make sense that it would be a more peaceful existence, the way you think about it.
00:36:03.000They gotta be yanked into another dimension, beat over the head with wooden clubs, thrown into ice chests where they'll flop and gasp for air until they finally go still.
00:36:13.000I mean, that's what happens when you eat fish.
00:36:15.000Man, you know, it is one thing that all this indicates is how there's so much compassion inside of human beings.
00:36:24.000Because whether you eat meat or whether you eat a vegetarian diet, if you're thinking about this, it's really cool.
00:36:31.000That's one of the cool things about us is that we have this sense of like, man...
00:36:36.000This does seem to be a violent thing that I'm doing here.
00:36:39.000I know this thing I'm eating has suffered to some degree that I would never want anyone I know to suffer, or myself.
00:36:49.000So, there's compassion there, man, and we want to live in a world where we don't Hurt things.
00:36:58.000And if you do want to live in a world where you hurt things, well, then you're probably in a lot of pain yourself, right?
00:37:05.000Man, this is the fucking Bhagavad Gita, because the Bhagavad Gita starts with a warrior, Arjun, looking out on this...
00:37:18.000This fucking massive army and saying to God, the charioteer, I see my friends here.
00:37:24.000I see fathers and teachers and men that I respect.
00:37:29.000By killing them, don't I... Destroy my own soul.
00:37:35.000Wouldn't it be better to go off into the forest and live as a renunciate than to gain all the wealth in the world, but to have the blood of my teachers on my hands?
00:37:46.000And this is the beginning of the Bhagavad Gita.
00:37:48.000And you would think, because it's one of Gandhi's favorite books, That the response would be, you're right.
00:38:19.000To me, the best answer to all of this is when Krishna reveals his universal form, he becomes this monstrous thing, and Arjuna is describing what he's seeing,
00:39:22.000You are in the digestive tract of a being that is gradually transforming you into nothingness, depending on what you want to believe, unless you think that there's some eternal perpetual soul, in which case the digestive system is freeing you from the terrible and limited enclosure of the human body.
00:39:42.000Either way, man, we are being shifted in a dramatic and beautiful way, and as that's happening, To think that you can somehow not realize what you are, which is you are one of the digestive organs in the universe.
00:39:59.000No matter what you do, man, you are completely wiping beings out of the universe at every single fucking second.
00:40:08.000If your immune system's working, those sweeties who burrowed into your fucking skin and gotten into your mucous membranes, you're wiping them out.
00:40:16.000Your blood cells are Heartlessly fucking killing them.
00:40:20.000And then maybe you had an ant on your counter.
00:40:22.000When you drove your car, I'd say there's a 60% to 90% chance you probably ran over some tiny little fucking bug that was walking across the street.
00:40:32.000You can't live in this universe without Killing things.
00:41:31.000Yeah free range cows free range chickens You know and you did have to decide that there's a certain cycle of life involved here And then you're willing to take part in it for your own health.
00:41:41.000You're gonna decide I'd like this my body functions better on this So I'm going to I'm going to allow this to happen or or help it participate.
00:41:48.000Yeah help participate in it but um I think when you see a bear eat a salmon, that bear is not thinking for a fucking second about the feelings of that salmon.
00:42:00.000It's just holding it down and tearing it apart with no hesitation whatsoever.
00:42:04.000When we reap lettuce from the ground, are we doing a more complicated version of that?
00:42:11.000Are we pretending that this thing is this non-feeling, non-thinking thing because it doesn't move and it can't send emails?
00:42:19.000But is it possible that all these things that we call life, all these things, have a consciousness?
00:42:32.000This is what I was thinking as I've been doing VR, having so many philosophical thoughts based on this incredible technology.
00:42:41.000So this is what I started thinking is the human, all living things are like Organic virtual reality goggles, right?
00:42:50.000So like a squirrel is like a kind of virtual reality goggle that the universe is gazing through in the form of a squirrel's reality, right?
00:43:01.000So this consciousness, this intelligence, it's like an omnipresent force and every living thing is like a faucet that its life is this intelligence coming through and expressing itself based on the Energetic system of the particular conduit that it's coming through.
00:43:21.000So a living squirrel is a portal that is opened up to the intelligence of the universe temporarily.
00:43:29.000And when that intelligence flows through the squirrel, the way electricity runs through a motherboard, then it's animated, right?
00:43:38.000And so when the squirrel dies, it's not as though the Intelligence is gone.
00:43:44.000It's just that that particular conduit shuts while there's a billion other conduits in any biome filled with that intelligence pouring through it and behaving according to the way whatever the thing is that it's coming through.
00:44:00.000If you have different AI programs with different codes, it's still processing the same energy.
00:44:07.000It's just the energy is being transformed based on whatever the specific system is, you know?
00:44:14.000So when we eat meat, We're in a weird way eating the virtual reality goggles that infinity was using to experience reality.
00:44:24.000And that reality that infinity was experiencing through the VR goggles that you're eating inside your bun Was not a great fucking experience, you know?
00:44:37.000So composed in that goggle, in that life form that you're eating, this is what the Hare Krishnas say, is all the fear, all the terror, all the momentum of that being's life somehow gets encoded into the atomic structure of the meat that you're consuming.
00:44:56.000And so you take a little bit of that suffering into you and that Degrades your life in some slight way that totally makes sense Totally makes sense That there's something that gets through it.
00:45:10.000I mean, why would we assume that your diet isn't...
00:45:13.000I mean, if you're eating biological particles, why would we assume that they have no influence on us?
00:45:51.000Man, I can remember, like, when I was a kid, we didn't fucking...
00:45:54.000You know, like, you kind of knew the animals were like...
00:45:58.000People just were a lot like I'm reading fucking listening to the audiobook rather of Moby Dick the Frank Mueller narration you ever read that book?
00:46:08.000Frank Mueller is the guy is the VO actor who narrated the Dark Tower series by Stephen King and he is the best and so I there's no way I'm fucking reading Moby Dick but listening to someone who understands what he's reading helps you understand it and Yeah,
00:46:29.000the inflections are in the right place, and he's clearly some kind of super genius who just gets Moby Dick, and he understands every single fucking passage that Melville endlessly writes about the very, the deepest details of whales, man.
00:46:44.000Melville fucking loved whales, and the book, it is like a sort of portal into before they knew that whales were mammals, right?
00:46:53.000So, you know, they thought they were fucking fish.
00:47:44.000You put it on a harmonic magnetic field interacts with your brain and you not only go into a location, but you experience the memories, emotions, thoughts, and dreams of the avatar within the game.
00:47:57.000That's on the other side of the spectrum, right?
00:47:59.000So here we have this sort of like spectrum of potential experience.
00:48:04.000I think it would be safe to say that the experience of a broccoli, right, just based on the tech in there, versus the experience of like a, I don't know, a fucking MIT student,
00:49:45.000He thought that they were like the ability to have multiple appendages and the crazy camouflage abilities they have would combine to really...
00:49:57.000Open up new levels of communication that humans don't have.
00:50:00.000Because it seems like he was a little frustrated by the limitation of the human vocabulary and the way we emote things to articulate the universe.
00:50:11.000So it'd be nice to have a bunch of different limbs that had no bones that you can turn any which way while shifting colors.
00:50:19.000That beats fucking emoticons by a long shot, man.
00:50:23.000I mean, they can change color, and they shoot ink into the air.
00:50:27.000And he was one that I first heard speculate that the ink, when they shoot ink into the air, that it might be like erasure fluid.
00:50:33.000Like, look how small that hole is, and look at this big-ass octopus get through this tiny hole.
00:50:39.000I mean, you would look at that hole, and you would be like, there's no way.
00:50:43.000But these things, not only can they get out of a hole like that, but they can walk on land for long periods of time, climb back up into their fish tanks, lift the lid, get inside, I mean, they're aliens, man.
00:50:56.000I mean, that might as well be on another planet.
00:50:58.000We're just used to it because it's on Earth.
00:51:00.000That thing has a giant, bulbous head, long, movable arms.
00:51:31.000That's the final place you got to get to is that you are a part of a super organism that is stretching through time in the form of every generation of thing that ever lived.
00:51:45.000And it's currently It's like this being that has an infinite number of appendages that represent all living forms of life on Earth.
00:51:56.000And just like the same way that you investigate a thing, all these appendages have wrapped around the planet and they're probing, probing, probing, probing, probing the planet.
00:52:08.000So it's like every living thing is the very end of an interdimensional, super intelligent appendage.
00:52:18.000Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, where he said that mice are just the ends of the tentacles of an interdimensional creature studying scientists that laboratory mice...
00:52:34.000But in the same way, when you look at every single living being on Earth is actually protruding from generation after generation of being that stretches back to the beginning of organic life on planet Earth.
00:52:49.000So it's like Earth suddenly gets life.
00:52:58.000But so suddenly springing from the earth are these very rudimentary organisms that over the course of millennia gradually stretched out and changed to become various types of devices to study the crevices,
00:53:14.000crannies and air of this planet until eventually it became monkeys and the monkeys became people and now we're like a very advanced scope That is peering into the atomic and subatomic level of the fucking thing.
00:53:28.000But when you look at a squirrel's life, an eagle's life, a fucking salmon being eaten by a bear's life, it's interesting to consider that what you're seeing is an Infinite number of scopes through which something that appears to be either investigating this dimension or just enjoying being in it is coming through.
00:53:51.000You know, that seems to be what's happening.
00:53:53.000That is an idea that gets echoed in some Eastern philosophies.
00:54:02.000It's an interesting take on it, for sure.
00:54:05.000What's definitely happening is there's some consumption going on.
00:54:10.000That's one of the things about this Radiolab podcast that was so fascinating, where it was talking about these fungi-devouring microscopic insects.
00:54:18.000And also, like, literally tapping into rocks for minerals.
00:54:54.000Okay, so everything's eating itself, but if you imagine that what you're looking at is actually only one-half of Of the thing, because we can't see into the nothingness that happens after death, then it could be that you're actually looking at just one part of a process,
00:55:14.000You're seeing a limited part of an infinite process that's happening, where death is just one piece of it, but the thing that dies isn't annihilated.
00:55:53.000Same thing, according to some religions.
00:55:55.000But, uh, so when you look at that as part of a continuum, right?
00:55:59.000Instead of just like you are born and then you die and then nothingness, if you look at it as part of an energetic continuum, Of which we can only witness this particular part of the continuum.
00:56:10.000We don't have the technology yet to peer into the other part of the continuum.
00:56:15.000So if you look at it as an actual cycle, then the brutality of the universe becomes a little less significant because you realize like, oh no, it's just like...
00:56:26.000Things diving out of the nothingness into the somethingness, returning to the nothingness, in the same way a dolphin jumps up and goes back down into the sea.
00:56:47.000Reincarnation is Sorry if I've said it on this podcast before, but reincarnation is like a fucking dolphin trick.
00:56:54.000Only in this case, the trick that you're doing is called your incarnation.
00:56:58.000And the particular way that you live, whether it's, as it is for most people, a kind of failure, because how the fuck are you going to figure out what to do when you dive into time for such a temporary Fleeting lifetime, like just suddenly to be able to do backflips and shit.
00:57:14.000Maybe you're not going to be able to do that right away, but you dive out of time or out of nothingness, come into somethingness, incarnate, incarnate, incarnate.
00:57:22.000Here we are as a being, have a life, and then you go back into the nothingness again.
00:57:26.000And so the people that we are most amazed by in history are just people who did really awesome tricks with their temporary human incarnation as they came jumping out of the nothingness.
00:57:40.000Just a temporary, transitory state of harmonized atoms that have become aware of themselves, that are about to go through an incredible energetic shift where you become nothing.
00:57:55.000And then, maybe, become something again for infinity.
00:58:01.000We have a real hard time having the perspective of your body turning into bacteria or bacteria consuming your body when you die, of that not being a bad thing.
00:58:12.000That it's a part of life and that you will be conscious inside that bacteria.
00:58:16.000That maybe your consciousness leaves this.
00:58:20.000Travels with you with your cells and your DNA as you're being consumed Yeah, and it becomes a part of some gigantic matrix and that's what maybe that's what you're tapping into when you're doing things like DMT Yeah, when you hit that well of consciousness Whatever the fuck that is that you hit when you you run into that sea of reality Yeah,
00:58:40.000when I say reality like this But just intense, God-like, no bullshit.
00:58:57.000And just give in and be one with the whole thing.
00:59:01.000And maybe that's what we do all the time when we're sleeping, man.
00:59:04.000I mean, it's entirely possible that what we don't remember is existing in that realm.
00:59:09.000And that that realm is something that we're just shut off from.
00:59:12.000Because for us to get done what we have to get done with this monkey body, you can't be fucking contemplating that all the time because you're not going to get shit done.
00:59:36.000I mean, I don't think you meant to do it.
00:59:39.000But you articulated, when you said that, the essence of so many different religious systems, which is that here is this omnipresent, infinite, ever replenishing, creative matrix of intelligence that is So much bigger than I am that it's incomprehensible.
01:00:01.000And like you said, you have to let go of all your worldly ideas, your thoughts, your ego.
01:00:17.000The victories that you've achieved in your minute, flickering human incarnation when you're in the presence of the source of victory in the universe?
01:01:05.000I know you've been waiting for a long time, Infinity, but finally I'm amongst you with my wisdom of my 47 years on planet Earth as a tire salesman who finally does DMT for the first time.
01:02:11.000It's the ultimate of ultimates, right?
01:02:13.000So this thing has inadvertently, it depends on what version of it, probably not inadvertently, but this thing has a...
01:02:24.000It's so potent that the way it's interacting with time is that it's breaking into an infinite number of pieces that have all become semi or super aware.
01:02:36.000So its consciousness has dispersed itself Through its creation and every single minute element, like some fractal, every single little piece of it is a possessor of this infinite consciousness.
01:02:50.000And so that infinite consciousness is the source of love and it basically lets you fall in love with it if you want to and it loves you too, which is what's really trippy to imagine.
01:03:08.000Imagine that thing you just described, that infinite fucking thing, the no bullshit thing that demands that you drop your history like a fucking old nasty bag of shit.
01:03:20.000Imagine if that thing also was aware of you completely and also Loved you!
01:03:36.000That's better than, you know, like when you kind of like a girl and you start thinking like, maybe you don't do this because you're a fucking muscular super billionaire who hosts the UFC, but somebody like me, if a girl starts liking you, you start thinking like, holy shit,
01:06:50.000And once they have food, I just think when you listen to scientists talk about their dialects, And the fact that the pod stays together for life, and that they form these tight bonds, and they communicate over great distances with sound frequencies,
01:07:05.000and these complex languages that they've recognized are different in different areas.
01:07:09.000So they've recognized they're similar sounds, but there's a dialect to it.
01:07:12.000They still don't know what the fuck they're saying.
01:07:15.000And part of the reason why we don't know what they're saying is just like how we were talking about emojis being like a form of hieroglyphs.
01:07:22.000I don't think we can understand the context of communication when you live in the fucking ocean and you kill fish with your face all day.
01:07:29.000I think what we would think of is, where is your house?
01:07:34.000How do you guys find out about when the movie Movies are playing.
01:07:38.000This idea of communication to us, what they're trying to do is locate each other, let each other know their moods, let each other know their horns, let each other know.
01:07:47.000But we think that that's rudimentary in comparison to our complex system of sounds and very repeatable sounds that we can all express back and forth to each other.
01:07:58.000But just like emojis, what they're doing, they're...
01:08:04.000They're expressing themselves in a way that they all understand.
01:08:09.000And don't forget, they have an awareness of part of the larger part of the earth.
01:08:14.000We don't know what the fuck is down there.
01:08:16.000That's one of the Moby Dick, right after they, spoiler, they kill a fucking white old Moby Dick, but right after that, in the description.
01:08:26.000The description of the way they kill this fucking thing, the way they did it back then, which is, you know, you get in a ship, you row up to the thing, there's a harpooner, he's got a fucking harpoon, and he's got to zing it at the thing, and then you've got to tire it out, reel it in.
01:08:44.000You're just a little fucking human in a fucking boat, and you're like nailing this thing with a harpoon.
01:08:50.000Finally, when it gets tired enough, you have to find its heart.
01:08:54.000Jam the harpoon into its heart and then basically like fuck the hole with a harpoon just jab it in and out of that fucking hole until finally this is description makes you want to cry it's so awful finally like the whale out of its blowhole it like shrieks like a like car brakes or something like it's screaming in pain and then it just blows chunks of guts and lung and heart out Oh
01:10:00.000But after they kill a whale, Ahab, Captain Ahab, poor sad Captain Ahab, he comes out and he does a funeral for the whale's head and he says, what have you seen down there?
01:10:51.000The underneath stuff we so rarely see.
01:10:54.000I mean, do we see it 1% of what we see above ground?
01:11:00.000God, I hate to always talk about it, but a brief history of nearly everything.
01:11:03.000He describes it as like, and this could be wrong, I don't know, but what we know about the ocean.
01:11:08.000Imagine if someone took like six tractors and dropped them in the middle of like middle America and they drove around for a few nights with their lights on at night.
01:11:22.000Some description like that, I can't remember, but it's that limited, because getting a fucking thing underneath all that pressure that's not going to break down, getting out there in the first place to get the thing down that can survive that pressure, forget it.
01:11:36.000Plus, that takes a special kind of crazy person that's willing to get in a submarine...
01:11:46.000I think I'd rather go to space than be stuck at the bottom of the fucking ocean and then see a drop of water on the side of the wall going, what is that?
01:12:05.000They hold a beer can up, and they have one of them Whopper tits, like those double F jammies, and they hold it by the base, because those tits are always like, you know, they're sort of like a ball on the end of an old rope.
01:12:17.000You know, because you have the big, round, ridiculous-sized implants, and they hold the beer can, and they just molly-whop that beer can and crush it.
01:12:26.000That's how I would feel if I heard a clink, clink, clink, that I knew that eventually the thousands of pounds of pressure was just going to smush that That tank.
01:13:47.000Tits are way more powerful than dick in that regard.
01:13:50.000What guy's ever, like, held a beer can down and smashed it with his hog?
01:13:55.000That guy's a greater man than anybody in this room.
01:13:59.000Plus, especially if he does it right side up and he gets the lip of the beer can, the thin part, slams against his dick with the kind of force that's required to bend a beer can, you're gonna crush your dick.
01:15:46.000So that supposedly they had to get him a body double in a nude scene in a movie.
01:15:50.000Because his cock is so gigantic that they thought nobody would believe that was a human's dick.
01:15:56.000So they had to get a body double with a smaller cock to have him stand in because his penis is so large that it would disrupt the flow of the narrative.
01:16:08.000Did the guy who's telling you this suck your dick?
01:16:10.000He said it while he was sucking my dick.
01:16:16.000You can't believe how big his dick is.
01:16:59.000I don't know if he's going to make the best leader of the free world, but I welcome someone who's willing to make a dick joke while they're running for president.
01:17:53.000So what you're looking at here, man, is a quote from Ray Kurzweil, which is, things aren't getting worse, our information's getting better, right?
01:18:06.000And so with Hillary Clinton, Who is a career politician, right?
01:18:15.000And we've all known, since we were young, most people, I think, when they think about politicians, they don't think, those are some honest people, those politicians.
01:18:25.000I think most of us think politicians, they lie, they warp things, they fabricate things, they use a form of deception to gain control of various power structures.
01:18:38.000So that's not new information when you find out that Hillary Clinton And the DNC, and I don't know if they completely connected those two, but when you find out that they didn't do what they were supposed to do.
01:18:53.000They helped Hillary Clinton become the Democratic nominee and they actively tried to fuck up Bernie Sanders, right?
01:20:07.000So they apparently came up with a way to disseminate information to the press, highlighting certain aspects of Bernie Sanders that would be unappealing to the voter.
01:20:16.000And they did this, and this has all been confirmed.
01:21:02.000But when you find out that an organization that's supposed to be the head, it's supposed to be if everything was Yeah.
01:21:08.000On the up and up, it's supposed to be objective and looking for what the people want as the best party.
01:21:13.000But no, they're actually actively steering it, which is massively corrupt and kind of scary.
01:21:18.000These people are deciding to steer an entire party, which is 50% of a political process because there's no...
01:21:26.000We've got Libertarian Party for the first time.
01:21:28.000People are taking Gary Johnson seriously.
01:21:29.000He's going to do that town hall debate on Wednesday or town hall, one of those town hall things on Wednesday on CNN. But for the most part, it's Democrats and Republicans in most people's eyes.
01:21:40.000So what they're essentially doing is rigging half of that process.
01:21:46.000We don't think anything's wrong with that, but we put Martha Stewart in jail for not telling exactly the truth about where she bought and sold stocks or whatever the fuck she lied about.
01:21:56.000We do think something's wrong about it, but we can't do anything about it.
01:22:01.000We do think something's wrong, but right now...
01:22:03.000Okay, so if that institution is corrupt, and if the Republican institution is in some ways corrupt...
01:22:11.000I think it might be safe to say, and I don't think too many people would be outraged at the idea that there is a institutionalized corruption in the entire American political system.
01:22:24.000And it's very similar to the problem that happens in bike racing.
01:22:27.000If one motherfucker rigs their bike or gets on fucking doping stuff that can't be detected, If you want to have a fair advantage, you've got to rig your bike and start doping too.
01:22:39.000Or the person who rigs their bike will always win.
01:22:42.000So, if politics is a competition, which it clearly is, and if members of the competition are using nefarious means to achieve their goals...
01:23:13.000What's new is now people like Julian Assange are shining a light on the corruption and his whole idea is if I reveal this information it will force Reform via the outrage of the people who are supposed to be represented by a person who's breaking the law.
01:23:35.000And right now, we're at the point where it's very similar to when you're in a family, and this is one of the worst things that can fucking happen, man.
01:23:42.000In a family, if there's somebody who's molesting somebody, it happens all the time, where a father or a brother will start fucking molesting somebody, right?
01:23:54.000And people in the family know it, but they don't do anything about it.
01:23:59.000Because to talk about what grandpa does every couple of years means the complete Disintegration of the fucking family, an apocalypse for the family.
01:24:11.000In the same way, as more of these revelations become clear, which we always knew, but you could always float into a happy place and be like, nah, I'm just being a conspiracy dude.
01:24:20.000I'm sure the stuff they're doing up on Capitol Hill is all fair and square.
01:24:25.000You know, you can just believe it, kind of.
01:24:37.000Until finally, the American people are going to have to either just be like...
01:24:43.000I'm just going to believe that four is three and three is four because I have a nice comfortable life and I don't want to fucking deal with this shit, man.
01:24:52.000I'm just going to trust the banks because the banks like money.
01:24:56.000Well, I have my job and as long as I keep my job, I'll keep my benefits.
01:25:00.000Yeah, and by the way, P.S., man, when you consider that, it's like there's something pragmatic about that, as sad as it is, as depressing as it is, but the real...
01:25:14.000Awful problem is that this country, I think, is like a metaphysical machine that was built by some very intelligent people who understood the energy flow that comes through a society and the elections were supposed to be an outlet valve for the pressure that builds up when people feel that they're being repressed,
01:25:35.000And if you start fucking with that output valve by putting up fake politicians that don't truly represent the people And hope that the people will believe that they have elected these people.
01:25:46.000If you put two shitty choices in front of us, and we're supposed to look at that and be like, okay, everything's fine, then you're missing the point, which is that there is an energetic system that needs to get released.
01:26:01.000At some point, the energy's got to go out.
01:26:03.000If it doesn't go out, you get revolution.
01:26:05.000That's the way the energy goes out the wrong way.
01:26:09.000The idea is, let's fucking the American Revolution.
01:26:15.000These geniuses, many of them Freemasons, got together and they were like, you know what?
01:26:20.000Is there a way that we can program history so that a society doesn't destroy itself intermittently with a fucking revolution?
01:26:28.000Because if we could do that, we'll build one of the most powerful, never-ending societies on Earth because we figured out a way to outflow the pressure that builds up.
01:26:38.000So when you start fucking with the goddamn political system and pretend that everything's gonna be okay, you are missing, I think, the point, which is that people who are very smart, maybe a lot smarter than the politicians we have today, recognize something,
01:26:55.000built a thing, and said, let's just trust the fucking people.
01:26:58.000Let's trust the people, release the steam, and voila!
01:28:01.000What they are essentially, you're paying someone to speak for an hour, and you're going to give them $750,000, and you want me to pretend that that's normal.
01:28:26.000And what do you have to benefit by having them come and read some nonsense, bullshit, boring speech?
01:28:34.000A friend of mine went to see Rudy Giuliani after post 9-1-1 when he was on his victory tour.
01:28:38.000He was on like a lap of the country doing these speeches because everybody loved him because he saved the world during, you know, September 11th.
01:28:45.000He was the guy who stood strong and everybody like, wow, Rudy Giuliani is a good man.
01:28:48.000So he wrote that and he started doing these speeches and he'd come to colleges.
01:28:51.000And a friend of mine went to see him and said it was dog shit.
01:28:55.000It was a boring ass, like, reading with no passion.
01:29:55.000She prefers a private jet and prefers a Gulfstream 450 or larger.
01:29:59.000The memo outlines that Clinton requires travel by private jet.
01:30:04.000You know what would be fucking cool though?
01:30:06.000Is this like, if you were like a mad billionaire, could you just get Hillary Clinton to come to your house and just speak to you for an hour in your living room?
01:30:42.000If I put carrots in my backyard, I'll probably get a rabbit or two.
01:30:45.000If you have enough money, you can get politicians to come and start feeding at your mansion.
01:30:50.000When does it become when does it become a bribe?
01:30:52.000Okay, so should she like say well you can never be It's weird, right?
01:30:58.000You couldn't be someone who is in public office and go and also have like a Book reading tour where you read from your novel about crime or something like that You'd have to be like a no fiction person When you're talking,
01:31:14.000you're talking about what you do for work.
01:31:16.000That's part of what you're talking about.
01:31:18.000Nobody's going to ask Hillary Clinton to come and speak about the history of jazz in the United States.
01:31:23.000She's not going to give speeches on that.
01:31:25.000She's going to give speeches on politics, right?
01:33:21.000Yeah, and now it's like, to make matters worse, it's like, you have to, there's this weird idea that's like, listen, you might not like Hillary fucking Clinton, Can you go back to that real quick?
01:33:34.000But they're like, you better shut the fuck up about her because do you want Trump to be president?
01:33:44.000It says, when Hillary filed a financial disclosure document after entering the Senate in 2001, she reported assets of less than $1.8 million and liabilities of more than $2 million.
01:33:54.000Well, what were they doing with all the money?
01:34:22.000Who the fuck gets two million dollars in the hole?
01:34:26.000If you wanted to have someone that you wanted to balance the budget, wouldn't you pick the person that doesn't get two million in the hole?
01:34:52.000I remember when it's like Saturday Night Live was making jokes about them stealing like silverware and fine china and stuff from when they were like leaving like on their last days there.
01:35:33.000I'll tell you, part of me appreciates how gangster she is.
01:35:36.000There's a video going around of her talking from 2000 about not having email, and then imagine if she had emails, like what the investigators would find.
01:36:18.000No matter how powerful a gangster Hillary Clinton is, she has apparently zero security on her computer systems or very little security.
01:36:26.000And maybe if she had great security, she still couldn't stop the infiltration of hackers.
01:36:34.000And this is going to keep happening and happening and happening until either we just accept That our politicians are innately corrupt, or we come up with some fucking way to starve them out, to make it so that they are...
01:36:49.000Well, don't you think Bernie's like the first step in that?
01:36:52.000Like, Bernie's no perfect person, right?
01:36:54.000I'm not the most gigantic Bernie Sanders supporter because I've talked to economists that tell me that what he was proposing is not fiscally possible.
01:37:16.000Because I think if you think about how much resources we spend on things like cops and firemen and damage done and police and rather prisons and how much time maybe we could avoid some of that, like maybe a big chunk of it.
01:37:30.000I think universal basic income has something that we should explore as a culture.
01:37:37.000But I think also requiring people to do certain things, like in the community.
01:37:42.000Requiring some sort of community service.
01:37:44.000How nice would it be if, I mean, it's nice to be able to pay someone to take out the garbage, but maybe we'd appreciate each other more if we all took out the garbage once a month.
01:39:13.000I don't know how you'd implement it, but let's imagine we had a system where, every four years, some of the coolest, smartest people in the country became our leaders.
01:39:42.000I'll tell you, man, I think some of the coolest, smartest people, because they're so cool, I'm just saying, this is a mystery how to get to them.
01:40:55.000And so for four years you go into this job truly thinking, man, I'm gonna see if I can reduce the number of people who are fucking Uneducated and hungry and the bombs going off and I'm gonna try to do it by using all of my smartest friends and I'm not doing it because I'm gonna get money from this group or that group.
01:41:16.000I'm doing it because it feels like the right thing to do.
01:42:19.000Something powerful, some asshole wants that power.
01:42:22.000And so, an analysis of the system over the course of time, or an intentional infiltration by people who have all the money, or just some systemic degradation, a slow sort of Collapse of a million different systems inside the thing has happened that has happened and yet the Concept remains one of the most beautiful ideas one of the most incredible fucking ideas.
01:42:49.000They cannot erode the concept Well, maybe it can still be saved with technology Maybe the transparency that's being afforded by technology is going to somehow or another step in and put a halt to what we see as just a standard operational behavior of corruption and influence.
01:43:07.000Corruption and influence is just so standard that it's right in front of us.
01:43:11.000When CNN is printing Hillary Clinton's annual earnings for the past two years is $21 million and no one's batting an eye.
01:43:19.000She's sitting there with her bite suit.
01:44:19.000Yeah, man, I wouldn't be fucking surprised if there's a few things they do that we might consider to be a little abnormal when they get together.
01:44:28.000Look, Bohemian Grove, whatever the fuck they're doing there, whatever they do it for, for whatever reason, they really do, or at least used to, dress up in robes and burn an effigy in front of a fucking giant owl statue, okay?
01:46:16.000And a lot of them are doing that because they want to worship God in a certain way that they're not able to see where they're coming from.
01:46:21.000But even whatever their rationale for leaving, they still have the balls to get on a fucking boat and make it across the ocean.
01:46:27.000So that puts them in a better place in my eyes than those pussies that stayed back and believed in logic but lived under the rule of the queen.
01:46:39.000But my point is, I don't have a point, but if I had a point, it would be, that's the reason why America is so fucking badass, that at least the reverberations of the initial instincts to start it still exist.
01:46:59.000So, let's imagine that you and I are somehow, I don't know why, we end up on a cruise ship It's like the opposite of a reality show where you find a great person.
01:47:17.000Over the course of months, they find the world's worst people, right?
01:47:23.000And so, maybe the world's most unwise people are the world's dumbest people.
01:47:28.000So you end up with a population of 60 idiots on the boat.
01:47:49.000How does democracy become a good thing if the majority of people are kind of not that fucking on point, right?
01:48:00.000Let's imagine it's a boat filled with psychotics.
01:48:03.000Let's imagine it's a boat filled with people who are paranoid schizophrenics, for example.
01:48:07.000How do you have a democracy of paranoid schizophrenics running things?
01:48:12.000And so when you have the news spraying out a paradigm that Is also weirdly corrupt in the sense that the news is being run by groups of people who want to sell advertising and need to be entertaining.
01:48:26.000And you know they have to at least present this information in a kind of entertaining, possibly warped way.
01:48:32.000There are cases, including in the recent WikiLeaks dump, where the NDD? No.
01:48:43.000No, the Democratic group, the DNC, was giving talking points to the press, right?
01:48:50.000So, if the media is painting a picture of the universe that is not Accurate or is warped a little bit based on consumerism or the corporations that are running things, then the people who have tuned into that reality and believe it to be true,
01:49:08.000you could safely say they are mildly psychotic because they have Bought into a reality tunnel that might not actually exist.
01:49:16.000In which case, is a democracy at that point a good thing if the people living in the democracy have for a lifetime been getting bad information shot into their fucking brains?
01:49:45.000But if you believe it, you believe wrong information.
01:49:48.000And if you believe wrong information, then that means that you are no longer walking along the path that is there, but a path created by other people, right?
01:49:59.000So that's when democracy gets really interesting.
01:50:02.000Because now what we have is very powerful hypnotic cobbles of billionaires sending bad information to the population in an attempt to shift their perceptual mechanisms in such a way that they will elect leaders that don't represent them,
01:50:21.000but that have been created by these machines to take over the The world.
01:50:27.000And in that case, the democracy becomes a little bit more problematic.
01:51:06.000It's just, the idea is, what if many of us, like, the shit we believe ain't real?
01:51:12.000And what if that shit that we think is real has been intentionally placed into our heads by corporations with the intention of making us behave in a certain way?
01:51:20.000At that point, a democracy becomes problematic.
01:51:23.000Like, what are you going to do if, you know, there's so many people right now who believe, like, Trump is putting out a reality tunnel, Hillary Clinton's putting out a reality tunnel.
01:51:33.000These are two different reality tunnels where many of the pieces of it might not actually reflect what's happening in the world.
01:51:41.000So it's like, which of these made-up stories are you gonna tune into, or are you gonna reject both of them and go wandering off into the woods alone and try to, in your own way, understand what's happening, minus the influence of the corporate media?
01:51:59.000I was thinking when we were talking about people coming over in boats that we were talking earlier about the human biome and that your your gut biome in particular it affects your mood your intelligence level your personality it affects your immune system and that That's one thing that I've been really getting into over the last few years.
01:52:17.000It's really concentrating on probiotics.
01:52:31.000Those kombucha slugs that you gotta throw down.
01:52:34.000But it's really good for your immune system, man.
01:52:35.000It made a big difference with all my travel on the road.
01:52:37.000But then I started really getting into kefir.
01:52:40.000Started really getting into, I drink goat's milk kefir several times a week, and I drink like a whole glass of it.
01:52:46.000And man, the more I've been concentrating on that, kimchi, that's another one that I've really gotten into lately, fermented cabbage, it's really good for you, very probiotic as well.
01:52:57.000The more I'm doing this, I feel happier, if that makes any sense.
01:53:03.000I don't just feel healthier in terms of my immune system's really good, but I feel better.
01:53:09.000So what I was thinking is, these poor fucks that got on that boat and came across the seas, when you think about the horrible atrocities committed by the pilgrims or the Columbus's soldiers when they came over here, by one account of a missionary,
01:53:25.000they were dashing babies' heads on rocks, they were cutting people's arms off if they didn't bring back their weight in gold.
01:53:30.000There was some really dark, dark, dark shit going on.
01:53:35.000I wonder if it was a combination of, obviously, barbaric human beings in barbaric times when things were just way fucking different and there was very little accountability for psychopathic behavior.
01:53:48.000And in fact, you hired these fucking psychopaths, these abused people, murderers.
01:54:45.000Can you imagine just being on that boat, being a fucking fly on the wall on that boat, watching those murderers sail across the ocean and knowing one day you're going to get a day off school for those cunts.
01:55:15.000We have been conditioned intentionally by a power structure to believe in a reality tunnel that if you don't believe in that reality tunnel, you're considered to be somebody who's a little crazy.
01:55:46.000The guy's like standing there like, it's that relationship that we all know of that one fucking super good arguing right-wing guy that's a little bit older than the other guy and he kind of clowns them when they have lunch together.
01:55:57.000Come on, get your shit together, Mike.
01:56:09.000There's something psychological, there's like a mindfuck going on because we know that relationship.
01:56:14.000We know that paradigm between the really fucking straight-up Republican, no-nonsense, got his shit together, has a cigar and a single malt scotch and that's about it.
01:56:24.000And we know that other guy who's like, hey, I heard that Tower 7 is an inside job.
01:56:51.000I don't know if you saw it, but, like, in one of these documentaries about North Korea, which I love to watch because it's the ultimate example of a hypnotized culture.
01:58:19.000So, many of the people who are currently in the U.S. government have taken lots of money from the pharmaceutical companies that supply some of the most dangerous drugs on earth.
01:59:43.000There's a guy and he's talking to his daughter and she's reciting a prayer and apparently she's reciting some prayer of safety and while they're doing it, you hear, And they both get shot, like, rocketed back and forth,
02:00:00.000like something hit near their building.
02:00:01.000You see, like, the reverberations, the impact move them.
02:00:06.000They jut out of the frame and then the video stops.
02:00:39.000But I'm not sure if you're seeing that or if it's one of those.
02:00:41.000There's a company that was, I think it's in Australia, that they create fake viral videos to get hits.
02:00:49.000And they're a special effects company.
02:00:51.000And they're responsible for a gang of amazing videos that have been online.
02:00:55.000One of them was this couple that shot a lion.
02:00:59.000And then you see the lion, another lion, they're standing over a lion taking pictures.
02:01:04.000This one special effects group made that and a bunch of other fake ones too that a lot of people sent me and they said they were real and I retweeted them like, oh wow, that's crazy, man.
02:01:14.000But meanwhile, these people are just special effects artists.
02:02:11.000And so his friend, like, that's the first person he called.
02:02:13.000Imagine if someone tears through your house, rips your fucking refrigerator door off the wall, lays waste, like someone just fucking hulked out in your kitchen.
02:02:24.000So he calls Shane up first, hey dude, um, did you rip my refrigerator door off?
02:02:29.000And then there was another one that's true as well, it's real, where a bear got trapped in someone's car.
02:02:35.000Somehow or another the bear opened the car door, which they've been known to do, if you leave it open.
02:02:39.000Look at that, that's a bear trapped in the back of that fucking Subaru.
02:03:02.000So when I was in Boulder, one of the people that lived in the town over from where I lived got their car broken into and the bear ate the inside of their car.
02:03:12.000The bear, I mean, literally ate their seats, ate their dashboard.
02:03:22.000So he opens up the car door with his paws, climbs inside, and you know, like if a car is like at a kind of an angle, the door will close itself.
02:04:57.000You gotta worry about predatory bears.
02:05:00.000Like, there's a guy that I know, Steve Rinello, who hosts the show Meat Eater.
02:05:03.000One of his friends took a guy out hunting for his very first time they were camping, and a 500-pound predatory black bear climbed in the tent and attacked him.
02:05:12.000In the middle of the night and his friend shot the bear.
02:05:15.000The bullet went through the bear and shot his friend in the wrist.
02:05:18.000So he got shot and he got bit by a bear.
02:05:29.000Man, whenever you have those kinds of bad lucks land on top of each other like the balloon accident where like not only do you fall to your death but you're also on fire while you fall to your death.
02:07:41.000Oh my god, because you know, if that shit didn't work out, if the net broke and for the rest of your life you have to remember what that looks like, just the explosion of guts and the sound that's gonna make when that thing hits the fucking tarmac.
02:07:57.000His wife's like screaming or just a silent scream.
02:08:03.000Just everyone, just PTSD. You're gonna have to go to a therapist to get that out of your head.
02:08:07.000You're gonna wake up with the memory of that guy's body just exploding like a fucking watermelon in front of you.
02:08:14.000What if the pressure of the situation, the gravity of the situation, the adrenaline rush and the g-force all combined made him stroke out like that Indian dude and he just never even bothered steering and went right into the crowd?
02:08:33.000Just took out kids and fucking grandma crushed a Subaru.
02:08:37.000Scraps a bloody Gatorade colored jumpsuit landing on your kid.
02:08:42.000Imagine if you died because this guy hit the ground and his skull went flying through the air and hit you in the face and crushed your head.
02:08:51.000You got your head crushed from his forehead.
02:09:52.000By the way, man, speaking of, like, fucked up, like, sports accidents, and I know you get sick of talking about the UFC, but, dude, that fucking...
02:10:46.000Is it possible that in the UFC, people are going to become so proficient at beating each other up that it...
02:10:55.000There will be more of this type of awful accident happening where people just learn how to be powerful enough to crush a person's skull, where you just get better at it, man.
02:11:07.000Like, if you look at like, and it's not a fair comparison because a skateboard requires a tool, but if you look at like early skateboarding videos to now and see how much it's evolved, And you know the UFC has the market pressure for these fighters to be the best ever because they become like world-renowned fighters and they make a lot of money.
02:15:03.000The other thing is, I've seen an evolution in people's defense, too.
02:15:06.000There's guys like Mighty Mouse, who barely get hit.
02:15:09.000You know, and he's beating guys up, but occasionally you'll get a guy who is like an elite guy, and another guy's an elite guy, and they almost cancel each other out.
02:16:55.000And they're better at delivering shots.
02:16:56.000Well, if one person gets better, then everyone's going to adapt to come up with some defense for whatever the thing is that person's gotten better at, I guess.
02:17:06.000They learn the techniques and they understand when they're coming.
02:17:08.000But if you had to predict, like if someone's like, if you had to predict five years from now, If you've seen a kind of evolution in the fighting styles, then you've seen something that maybe you can prognosticate in five years,
02:17:24.000what do you think it's going to look like?
02:18:07.000This is the first time I've seen that in a televised MMA bout.
02:18:11.000But I saw it a gang of times in Taekwondo tournaments, and I witnessed it firsthand with a very good friend of mine who got knocked out horribly by an axe kick.
02:18:19.000So I know that axe kicks are real dangerous if a guy's good at them, but you have to have elite flexibility and speed, and you have to know how to land it.
02:18:26.000And so that was a new one that up until this year, I don't think anybody knocked anybody out with one before.
02:18:33.000There was a guy named Adlon Amagov who was fighting in Strikeforce, and he fought in the UFC for a little bit, but he got real religious, and he decided to quit fighting.
02:18:41.000But I think he might have fucked somebody up with an axe kick once.
02:19:01.000What people are getting better at is their ability to deliver those techniques in a fluid form that's imperceptible for the person who's trying to anticipate the movements.
02:19:12.000So when someone is attacking you, what it's like is, say if you were a really dumb guy and you were in a debate with Christopher Hitchens about something that you really shouldn't have been debating her about.
02:19:23.000Like, you really don't know the subject very well, and you're talking shit, and he just starts with his...
02:19:28.000He's clinking his whiskey glass around and touching it with his fingers and just demolishes you on real time with Bill Maher, right?
02:21:39.000Smart, well-read, and did a lot of debating, and had a lot of conversations with really smart people, which is a big part of it as well.
02:21:45.000And we're very lucky that we get to listen to those, because that's kind of like having those conversations.
02:21:52.000Not in the sense that you're saying the words, but being privy to a conversation with a guy like Hitchens, like he's sitting there talking with Sam Harris or some religious leader or something like that, and the logical points that he makes, they're very enriching in a way that a lot of times school isn't even.
02:22:08.000A lot of times your professor is a fucking incompetent cunt that got that job because he sucked the right dicks and now he's got tenure.
02:22:15.000There's a lot of those shitty professors, man.
02:22:45.000They would take a woman, they would take her from her bridal party, rape her, kill her husband, or throw her husband in jail, rape her, and then feed her to their dogs.
02:24:28.000I think the monstrous part of being a human being is that no matter how fucking awful you are and no matter how terrible Now, this could be completely naive, and I'm sure there's exceptions, but mostly,
02:24:44.000no matter how fucking awful you are, some little piece of you, inside of you, glimmering way down there, underneath all the fucking violence and murder, knows...
02:24:55.000That you have the potential to be kind.
02:25:20.000And the more separate you get from it, the more you start doing.
02:25:26.000It starts with not putting your fucking shopping cart away at the grocery store.
02:25:31.000The problem was we're talking about people that aren't broken.
02:25:34.000There's people that, through whatever reason, through nature or nurture, there's people that have fuses broken, just like there's people that are born with leukemia, just like some people have cancer, just like some people have epilepsy, just like some people are born with disfigured arms.
02:25:47.000Some people's brains are fucking wired wrong from the jump.
02:25:51.000There's something wrong biologically with them.
02:26:43.000Some people believe humans are meat robots.
02:26:47.000Self-awareness comes from the sum total of all these different processes running at once, and now we have this awareness of the self, whatever that may be.
02:26:58.000Some people think that there is an infinite Never-ending, undying pixel that a human has grown around, and that thing goes on forever.
02:27:11.000And that thing is made of love, or for lack of a better word.
02:27:19.000So the idea is, and I like to believe this idea, as crazy as it may sound, Anyone can be redeemed.
02:27:28.000Redemption is possible for all humans living today.
02:27:32.000There is a way to stop your forward momentum in the direction of selfishness and start moving in the direction of being a little bit less of a fucking prick.
02:27:43.000Maybe people that have the inclination or they have the potential to be a psychopath if they were raised by kind and loving people would develop patterns of behavior that are consistent with civilization and with harmony and community.
02:27:56.000Like maybe what you get when you get a psychopath is the combination of really shitty upbringing, child abuse, all sorts of awful verbal and emotional shit that happens to people and physical shit that happens to people when they're young and these traits.
02:28:17.000Which is one of the things I was talking about that I forgot earlier.
02:28:19.000I started on it, but I never finished it.
02:28:21.000I was talking about the people that came over on these boats, their gut biome.
02:28:25.000If we're talking about someone who is on a boat for 60 days eating fucking beef jerky, and they come over here with scurvy, they're desperate, their fucking body's eating itself.
02:28:36.000I mean, literally, their body's eating itself.
02:29:42.000If you really are, if your personality consists of this ecosystem that we call your body, which we know for a fact has all sorts of different stuff that's going on.
02:30:20.000How scary is someone when they're a day from starving to death and they have a knife?
02:30:27.000Well, man, I mean, this is the question of free will versus no free will.
02:30:32.000You're saying if you get in a stressful situation, does some kind of mechanism of the swarms of organisms that make up yourself kick in where you no longer are capable of making decisions?
02:31:43.000When I'm about to be an asshole, like if I'm about to do something because I'm hangry, as they call it, you're talking about the ultimate version of hangry, which is where you result to cannibalism.
02:32:07.000But if you look at yourself, even when you're having biochemical shit going down, and you're about to say something nasty to somebody, or do something nasty, usually you're like, I'm about to...
02:32:22.000Like, do I give in to this horrible impulse?
02:32:37.000It's just like coming, because it's like, when you're about to come, if you want to, this thing, when you watch yourself about to have an orgasm, right, and you watch it build and build and build and build, and eventually it gets to a point where you're going to decide to come, or you can't control it, maybe, and you're going to fucking come,
02:32:52.000but you can watch it build and build and build, but then when you come, the orgasm is like a mild seizure of joy.
02:32:59.000Your body goes through these, like, Your entire body has a reaction, right?
02:33:07.000So in the same way, when you start getting angry, It's just like when you're fucking about to come.
02:33:12.000It's building and building and building.
02:33:40.000And people who fool themselves into thinking that they don't have control, those are the ones who, I think, Relegate themselves into the world of being some kind of machine, some kind of like victim-y machine.
02:33:56.000Right, but you know that's not really the free will argument, right?
02:33:59.000You know the full free will argument, right?
02:34:03.000The most compelling one, the determinism one, what's compelling about it is that it doesn't exonerate you from your decisions, but what it does say is essentially to think that you are somehow or another Separate from the influence of your life and that the influence of your life hasn't in some way Influenced the way you decide to act and behave and that a lot of those factors that led you influencing the way you act and behavior led to you changing the way you act
02:34:33.000to behave are completely out of your control and Almost unavoidable in their impact And that these things shape you in some immeasurable way that you'll never be completely autonomous from.
02:34:46.000You'll never be able to completely separate yourself from the influence of your genetics, of your life experiences, of your neighborhood, of your mom or your dad, your upbringing, the developmental period where you may or may not have been ignored or abused or all those factors play a part in how you decide to behave.
02:35:03.000And even how you decide to deal with how you decide to behave.
02:35:09.000Like if you decide, hey man, I'm tired of jizzing all over people with my asshole every time my temperature boils up at the end of the day.
02:35:16.000I'm going to figure out how to not come home from a hard day's work at the factory and beat my wife.
02:35:20.000Like even that is potentially determined by your past and not really you having free will to decide not to be a piece of shit anymore.
02:35:49.000And you have to think about it and take it into consideration when you use terms like free will.
02:35:53.000Well, I would do, I mean, so it gets down to this point of decision, right?
02:35:59.000So when I look at like a lot of the decisions that I make, they're spontaneous and they're not, I'm not sitting around thinking like, how am I going to turn my steering wheel at this moment as I'm on the interstate?
02:36:12.000What mild adjustments am I going to make?
02:36:14.000This is all just a kind of spontaneous thing that seems to be part of autopilot.
02:36:20.000And I know a lot of people are running on autopilot.
02:37:05.000For a lot of people, it's a raft that's built of different things that they've decided to grab out of the infinite world of phenomena and We're going to hammer together to create some kind of vessel, which is their reality tunnel that they're living in, and they're navigating this fucking raft.
02:37:22.000So sure, some people, they might have a boat that is a little more cumbersome and a little more difficult to navigate through the never-ending string of decisions that you have to make if you exist inside of time.
02:38:22.000Well, that's where it gets weird, right?
02:38:23.000If you want to say it's your gut biome, if you want to say it's the end of a never-ending series of decisions made by a never-ending string of people...
02:38:39.000It's life experiences and it's genetics and it's choices and it's consciousness and it's the willful expression of positive ideas enforcing them on your life and what is the motivation behind that?
02:39:54.000Yeah, you occasionally brush up against a tree.
02:39:56.000But whatever influence these things have through each other in this insane network of interwoven root systems and mycelium and fungus and rotting leaves and animals all around you and all that stuff,
02:41:36.000Do you think, if these scientists are correct, obviously they are, about this interconnection between plants and about how they communicate with each other and about how they even allocate resources to those that are in need, is it fucked up to keep plants?
02:41:50.000Is it fucked up to keep something that you decide, no, you're going to leave in this box, man!
02:41:54.000You're going to leave in this box right here!
02:42:29.000If they're outside, you got a yard, and you dig a hole, and you put your plant in there, and you water it, and it grows, and it's a part of the whole system?
02:44:42.000But I still go out there and I try to keep them alive.
02:44:44.000But man, VR is such a beautiful thing because it creates the same, almost the same sense of like, you know, like when you go in a big space and it feels good.
02:44:58.000I don't know why, but it could be a shitty warehouse.
02:45:01.000But if it's big, if you go into like an expansive plane, you're like, ah, it feels good.
02:45:09.000I was in the Vatican last week, or two weeks ago, and I went to St. Peter's Basilica, and I put a bunch of photos of it on my Instagram feed.
02:45:22.000They have this huge courtyard with a huge pine cone, which represents the pineal gland, and these two peacocks that represent eternal life.
02:45:30.000Peacocks, apparently, I took that photo.
02:45:33.000Um, the, uh, the guide was super psyched when I knew what the pine cone meant.
02:45:38.000His eyes lit up and I said, it represents the pineal gland, right?
02:45:42.000And then we started talking about Christianity and its potential roots in psychedelic drugs and ancient Roman culture and how, you know, like the John Marco Allegro book, the sacred mushroom and the scroll where he thought that what Christianity was initially was a bunch of stories where they hid these psychedelic rituals in parables and Sure.
02:46:05.000Because when they were being conquered by the Romans, they didn't want them to know how magical the mushrooms were and that they were a connection to God.
02:46:12.000And that the pineal gland, like I forget the actual chemical composition of DMT, or not DMT rather, but mushrooms, but what DMT is, dimethyltryptamine, is in some form, that's what happens to psychedelic mushrooms.
02:46:29.000When you're taking psilocybin, I think it's like 4-Fox-4-Haloxy, and I know I'm butchering it, and dimethyltryptamine, but it's some version of dimethyltryptamine is produced when you consume psilocybin mushrooms.
02:49:30.000It's like they've controlled so many world leaders who have done confessions.
02:49:35.000And you think that the Vatican doesn't like when a world leader gives a confession, doesn't write that shit down, put it in the fucking library.
02:49:42.000They probably have confessions of some of the greatest kings.
02:50:07.000Every time a Catholic puts money in a bowl, a little bit of that money makes it to that fucking place.
02:50:14.000That's the nexus point of dough for one of the world's, one branch of the world's main religions.
02:50:22.000That's a fucking, that's just all the money.
02:50:25.000People who are like, just at the end of their fucking rope, people who have like $3,000 left in their bank account, but they're like, you know I'm gonna give this to the church because God will bless me.
02:50:35.000They give that money to the church and that money goes straight to building a fucking shitty lightning-catching statue.
02:50:43.000That's what all the money of people who desperately needed it for actual things has gotten sucked to the Vatican where it's used to build gold thrones that the Pope sits on and talks about the importance of charity.
02:52:54.000And everybody tries to sing of the world, but it doesn't end that way.
02:52:58.000Like, there's a funny thing that this guy does on YouTube, where he gets in a car, and he drives people around, they lip-sync, they sing along, like karaoke, rather, they sing along to songs, and they're singing along to the Queen song, We Are The Champions, and it gets to the end, and it's George, um,
02:54:33.000For sure, unbelievably talented and had an incredible knack for expressing himself.
02:54:39.000I was listening to some NPR interview with a, I can't remember, she's a famous Broadway singer and she's talking about what she does every day.
02:56:59.000And here's the real question for stand-ups, right?
02:57:01.000The question is, when your bits make it on YouTube, like say if you do a Comedy Central special in particular, right, and then your bits make it on YouTube, the more people pirate your stuff, I don't know if you'd call it pirating, but the more they take it and they put it on YouTube, the more people are going to see you, the more people are going to come to see you,
02:57:17.000the more it's going to be worth It to you to do another Comedy Central special, right?
02:57:22.000So it becomes different for us because we kind of exist for the live shows.
02:57:27.000Like the live show is the big, big part of what we do, right?
02:58:05.000I think in the article he was saying how with a lot of music now, thank God, when you upload it on your YouTube stream, they just get the profits from whatever you're advertising it.
02:58:17.000And that's way better than what it used to be.
02:58:20.000They need to upgrade the system so this guy gets the same deal he has with Audible anytime somebody listens to the Yeah, I mean, I definitely think that he deserves that for sure.
02:58:30.000But here's my weirdness about all this.
02:58:33.000You know, we were talking about language and the limitations of language and the eventuality of a virtual reality.
02:58:40.000And I wonder how we're going to digest data and information in a virtual world.
02:58:47.000Like, if people decide, like, what if you decide...
02:58:51.000That you want to read books in a virtual world.
02:58:54.000And that this is how you want to read books.
02:58:55.000The way you want to read books is with your feet up on the couch in your mansion, in your virtual world, while all these girls around you, like, finger-bang themselves with high heels on and Queen's fat-bottom girls.
02:59:07.000You make the rockin' world go around, plays in the background.
03:00:05.000A giant screen wrapped around you that you then can like...
03:00:09.000Pull up any kind of movie you might want to watch and so you just like can sit in there and watch and if you look down You see space Yeah, that's it.
03:00:21.000Now, the problem with VR, when you look at that, the problem with VR, like people looking at it on the internet, is that you cannot convey how fucking cool it looks from looking at it that way.
03:01:47.000If you watch Jaws and that floating screen, that would not be as good as if you were sitting in your living room and you're looking down and you were on the boat with Roy Schreider.
03:01:54.000And he's like, we're gonna need a bigger boat.
03:01:56.000Oh, you mean, like, if there was, like, a VR Jaws?
03:02:09.000And when they do things like that, like, will you be able to enjoy other things in that world?
03:02:15.000Like, will you be able to go into that world?
03:02:16.000Like, here we're in the Swiss Alps, wherever the fuck we are, in a fake world.
03:02:19.000Would you be able to go to this place and put on a podcast?
03:02:25.000Like, would you be able to, like, look down at your phone, find the Duncan Trestle Family Hour, And start streaming it live on your phone while you're skiing down the side of the virtual hill.
03:02:56.000In one of these games called Fantastic Contraption, which is one of the most...
03:03:01.000Dude, show split reality Fantastic Contraption.
03:03:04.000If you looked at this, where people have managed to put up a green screen and interpolate the two videos so it looks like you're actually in the game, that's the close...
03:03:14.000Show that Fantastic Contraption is this...
03:03:17.000Everything in there is fucking psychedelic.
03:05:37.000But it's amazing, and it's going to cause a lot of great and hilarious problems.
03:05:43.000And I'm excited to hear The outrage that comes from the world when people start realizing that every single person on earth now has access, not just to, in a voyeuristic way, witnessing...
03:06:21.000So you have to get specific programs that are designed for this, right?
03:06:27.000Yeah, just Google search Reddit, how not to watch VR porn.
03:06:32.000So these guys that are watching it, we're watching this guy who's sitting on this bed, and he looks like he's doing everything to keep from coming in his pants.
03:07:53.000It's a game changer, and it's one of the many freedoms that virtual reality is offering people.
03:07:58.000It's like you were saying, even just watching a movie in 2D, In your virtual reality room, it's pretty awesome.
03:08:07.000Maybe you don't have the greatest apartment, right?
03:08:10.000But you put on VR goggles, and suddenly your apartment is transformed into a massive, beautiful space.
03:08:20.000In the HTC Vive, it comes with VR home, and there's two different versions, but when you go into this space, You feel that same sense of expansiveness that you get from being in a big space.
03:08:47.000It's one of the most liberating, incredible technologies.
03:08:51.000I think that some people are giving it a little bit of a hard time right now because they see the game From YouTube, and they think, those graphics look like shit.
03:09:01.000But let me tell you, man, do Minecraft and VR. Like, I just, I did Minecraft and VR. I play Minecraft and VR regularly now.
03:09:10.000But you do Minecraft and VR, and when suddenly you're perched on the edge of a cliff, looking down on some hyper-colored underground river, Your body initially reacts in the same way it reacts to being at the edge of a real cliff.
03:11:12.000I'm sorry to keep asking you to look up stuff, Jamie.
03:11:14.000Look up Archery The Lab VR. This is one of my favorite archery programs.
03:11:20.000They also have VR Boxing, which I haven't tried yet, which I'm excited about because that seems like you could really train people to learn how to box.
03:13:41.000There are so many ideas that you will have when you try these goggles on.
03:13:45.000Where you're going to be like, this needs to exist in the world.
03:13:48.000Get this shit developed, man, because there's so many things that once you experience it, where you're like, oh, someone needs to build this.
03:13:57.000Like, for example, a fucking boxing...
03:14:16.000Well, Fallout is coming for the Vive, which is going to be pretty fucking cool.
03:14:20.000But dude, they have like a boxing program that looks like it's still in development, but a fucking box, a real boxing program, because it tracks the controllers perfectly in real time.
03:14:33.000So you could actually learn how to box.
03:14:59.000A lot of guys lost, and gals, lost a ton of weight off that Dance Dance Revolution game because it was so fun to do.
03:15:06.000Well, that's what's funny about VR, is that right now when people think of a video gamer, You're not going to hear someone say, oh, they're lean and tan, and they have such dexterity.
03:15:17.000But now, when you think of someone who's great at VR, you've got to be in fucking shit.
03:16:34.000It could be, but it also could be, like, some sort of a robot that has inflatable arms, and the inflatable arms moved with the program, so as you're looking at Apollo Creed in front of you, when he snaps his Jap out at you, pop!
03:16:49.000He's throwing this, like, spongy, almost like an inflatable raft...
03:16:56.000Balloon arm, you know, like when your little kids inflatable balloon toys, you know, like that.
03:17:04.000And what you're gonna see, man, is people are gonna get really good at this shit.
03:17:09.000Like, if you're good at shooting in VR, minus, like, the heft of the gun and the real kick of whatever gun in the real world you're using, it's gonna translate.
03:17:18.000We are, tomorrow, at Just Floating Pasadena, Zach Leary and I are testing out, I think for the first time, VR in a float tank.
03:17:34.000You dropping out and tuning in and all that jazz?
03:17:36.000We're trying to induce the observer effect.
03:17:38.000We've got this awesome guy, Dustin, who's helped us...
03:17:42.000It helped us build a floating in space program.
03:17:45.000So the idea is, can you induce the effect astronauts report when they're floating in space looking down on Earth?
03:17:53.000If you put someone in the zero-g or the semi-zero-g of a float tank and give them the impression that they're staring down on planet Earth, And we've got this genius designer who's...
03:18:26.000Crash from the float lab, I should say.
03:18:27.000He's one of the big innovators of floating tanks in this country.
03:18:31.000He developed a screen that had one of the lowest emissions of light possible.
03:18:35.000So that when you'd be lying down in this tank, complete darkness, you would look up at the screen, and the amount of light came out, it was so minuscule that it allowed you to see clearly the images, but didn't show a defined line of a screen.
03:18:48.000So you were never removed from this idea that you're floating through the universe, but in front of you all these things were playing out.
03:18:55.000That you would learn things easier that way like you could watch like a golf documentary or a golf Instructional rather and you could learn like how to swing a golf club properly because you would be seeing it through a first-person perspective well, um Zach's dad Had this idea.
03:19:11.000I think it's called the- Timothy Leary?
03:19:44.000I think it's the Eight Circuits of Consciousness.
03:19:46.000The idea is that Humans are meant to migrate into space.
03:19:53.000In the same way different creatures, when they enter into new habitats, they actually change a little bit.
03:20:00.000In other words, you take a sea turtle who's laid eggs in the sand, and the first time a little baby sea turtle climbs out of the egg and burrows out of the sand, It's a land creature until it hits water.
03:20:15.000And then all of a sudden all this other instinctual shit kicks in and it learns how to be a sea turtle.
03:20:22.000But the ones that survive become sea turtles, right?
03:20:25.000So the idea is that humans are meant for interstellar, for travel in space.
03:20:32.000And that if we go into zero-g, Then what could potentially happen are changes in our psyche and maybe even in our genetic makeup.
03:20:45.000Like maybe if we go into space long enough, we'll start transforming into some new creature that we were meant to be.
03:20:53.000What was it, Ed Mitchell that was talking about?
03:20:55.000The experience of being in space that he would like to take everybody up there and that you would realize how ridiculous boundaries are and how ridiculous wars are.
03:21:05.000If you could see the earth as a whole the way he saw it.
03:22:02.000I want little green bits of paper, motherfucker!
03:22:04.000I mean, it's not like Hillary Clinton speaking fees, but if you can get a former US astronaut who went to the moon to sit down and talk to you about the little green men that he might have seen, or the idea that they might exist, Well, you know what,
03:22:20.000You know, there are nefarious people in this world, and I don't know if fucking Ed Mitchell saw UFOs or not.
03:22:27.000It wouldn't surprise me that there are other creatures that you run into up there that for whatever reason you're not supposed to announce.
03:22:46.000I mean, this is what Terence McKenna always talked about.
03:22:48.000He's like, we spend all this money on these telescopes when for however...
03:22:52.000Most people won't even sell you DMT. They give it to you.
03:22:56.000But just however much it costs for whatever the device you use to inhale the DMT or however much it costs you to get down to wherever the ayahuasca shaman was or whatever it is, you're going to encounter...
03:23:10.000Things that seem to have a personality that is not your personality and that they don't have a normal human body.
03:23:18.000I was just reading Aleister Crowley last night and he's talking about We use the term angel not because we're saying there's some angel out there, but it's more convenient than saying here is a representation of the higher form of human intelligence that has come in the form of an archetype that our brains translate as an angel.
03:23:42.000It's just easier to call it an angel for the sake of just pragmatism because you want to achieve some goal, just call it a fucking angel.
03:24:38.000You don't have anything you can bring back.
03:24:39.000There's no physical matter where you brought to a scientist and a bunch of peer-reviewed scientists from all around the world studied it and determined that this was actually alien tissue.
03:24:53.000And to get caught up in the label is kind of to waste your time, unless you're using the label as something to expedite your ability to recontact that thing, in which case labels are fantastic.
03:25:05.000But if you're using the label to say, oh yes, this is definitely an angel, And then you're, like, getting in the most insanely stupid arguments over that, then it's a bit of a waste of time.
03:25:15.000But if you have an experience, for example, I don't know, you smoke DMT and you come into contact with a self-transforming machine elf, as Terence McKenna called it.
03:26:03.000But part of what he was doing was very entertaining.
03:26:06.000He had this oddly soothing voice, this brilliant vocabulary.
03:26:10.000And one of the things he did in one of these interviews that he did, he was, not interviews, rather, he used to do Q&As with the audience.
03:26:16.000They'd ask him questions about psychedelic drugs and things along those lines.
03:26:19.000Someone was asking him something, and he said, you know, they were like, well, what can you do, and how do you differentiate, and how do you keep from being arrested?
03:27:00.000It was interesting because you listen to him and he's obviously incredibly well-educated.
03:27:04.000And incredibly knowledgeable about the actual physical compounds of all these different psychedelics and their mechanisms for interaction and the monoamine oxidase inhibitors and all these different things that he's saying.
03:27:16.000It causes people who are not that smart to go, okay, I don't know what he's saying.
03:27:33.000There's a few people that are they, but those few people that are they, they're bankers and they're industrialists and they're...
03:27:39.000The military-industrial complex, the people that are earning money off of wars and controlling resources, if you really think that they are somehow or another actively trying to capture or capture people that are talking openly about psychedelics, they don't have time for that shit.
03:28:50.000There's a documentary right now called Dying to Know, which is an amazing movie about Ram Dass and Timothy Leary's friendship, and it sort of follows the scope of their lives together.
03:29:22.000Do you think, looking at all this virtual reality, and this is something I explored, I did a single podcast the other day with just me answering questions.
03:29:30.000And somebody asked about the Fermi Paradox, and it really made me think about it even more, and I've been thinking about it since then.
03:29:35.000Do you think it's possible that civilizations never get to travel through space because they get to this thing?
03:29:41.000They realize that the real juice is in virtual.
03:29:43.000Like, why do you have to, like, physically traverse between one galaxy to another when you could figure out a way through technology and ultimately through artificial intelligence creating infinitely more complex artificial reality that we're going to never travel,
03:29:59.000that all of our travel is going to be done internally.
03:30:03.000I think that that is a great response to the Fermi Paradox.
03:30:07.000And I think that our addiction to the idea that we are our body is going to be something that fades away over time and that we stop having this concept that I'm localized in my, that my,
03:30:22.000you know, We live in a world where people believe that all they are is their body.
03:32:25.000You could definitely do that, but it's kind of like something about the Philosophical implication of not having a body, even if it's being induced by technology, I'm sure you've taken a high enough dose of something where you merge into the universe and you feel like you don't have a self anymore.
03:32:46.000So to imagine being able to induce that with VR so that now you've removed the thing that you've been identifying with your entire life, your body as yourself, And there's just a blank space, yet consciousness remains.
03:33:00.000Even though you know you have a body, when you take the goggles off, you know it's there.
03:33:05.000As time passes when you're wearing this shit, you begin to forget about there.
03:33:09.000You begin to forget about the external world.
03:33:11.000And when you finally do take the goggles off, it's like, oh, oh, fuck.
03:33:18.000Well, that's the same thing that happens in some ways when you get in a tank.
03:33:22.000When you're in the tank with no VR technology, you sometimes have experiences where you go into like a dream state and you think things are happening that aren't really happening.
03:33:32.000And then you wake up out of them and you're in the tank.
03:33:39.000If you have a dream, you're still feeling the bed.
03:33:44.000Most of the time, you're out of that stage and you're in this dream dimension.
03:33:49.000But if for some reason you moved a little bit and you hit your pillow or your foot touched the nightstand or something like that, you're going to snap out of it.
03:33:56.000When you're in that goddamn tank, you don't feel anything.
03:34:41.000There's just so much that's going to happen.
03:34:45.000One thing I really hope people do is, and I was thinking about doing this, man, but I always think about doing things like this.
03:34:53.000I never do it, so maybe one of you guys out there will do it.
03:34:56.000Bringing this shit to old senior citizens' homes and letting people who haven't experienced it, who are maybe not going to be in this dimension much longer, have a chance to see what's going on.
03:35:09.000Because I think it'd be a great service for people.
03:36:22.000I can't remember which article about a guy who has to program the music that people listen to during the mushroom studies that they're doing.
03:36:31.000Like, what playlist do you play for someone who's undergoing psychedelic therapy, right?
03:36:36.000But this tool for psychedelic therapy, like the ability to...
03:36:50.000You put these goggles on and headphones that have a microphone on and you chant into the thing, right?
03:36:57.000So you're like, oh, and it takes, that's it.
03:37:03.000I mean, again, this stuff is, it takes that.
03:37:06.000Responds to the sounds you're making and then plays it back through your headphones so you hear your voice being transformed and replaced as like deeper or lower.
03:42:34.000But what I wanted to say was it's a fascinating thing because I never would have imagined that we would get to know each other better and deeper and more intensely by doing podcasts together where the whole world could hear it.
03:42:49.000I mean, you and I have had some crazy fucking conversations alone, in private, just you and I just talking about stuff for hours and hours.
03:42:55.000But there's something crazy about doing these like this.
03:42:58.000We're doing them live, and then we're putting them out.