In this episode, we are joined by comedian, writer, and friend of the show, Aaron Horschig. We talk about his journey with depression and how he managed to get through it. We also discuss his experience with ketamine and the side effects of it, and how it changed his life. We also talk about LSD and psychedelics and how they can help with depression. We hope you enjoy this episode and that it makes you feel a little better about your mental health. We hope that you enjoy the podcast and that you leave feeling better than you did before. If you are struggling with depression, anxiety, or another mental health problem, please talk to a doctor if you can. We understand that being able to see a doctor and receive treatment is a privilege that not everyone has. Thanks to everyone who has supported this podcast and is willing to share their stories and experiences with us. We appreciate you! Thank you so much for all of your support, support, and support of the podcast. We can't wait to do more of this and keep coming back for more episodes like this and more of your stories and stories of people doing amazing things in the future. Love ya'll, bye. -Jonah Jonah and Aaron Music: "I'm With It" by: "Goodbye, Jonah" by Suneaters "Thank You" and "I'll See You Soon" by P.S. - "Thank you Jonah's Song of the Week: "You're Not Alone" by by: "I Can't Stop This" by "I Don't Know What's Good Enough" by :) (feat. by: Jonah & I'm With Love & I'll See Ya'll & I Can't Sleep Tonight by: (Music: "Upside Down" by Mr. P. & I Don't Have It By: "Puff & I Will See You" by Yoda (featuring: "Noah) - "Alyssa and I'm Not Good Enough by: Thank You, I'll Hear Me Back By Me & I Love You By Me And I'll Talk About It's Not Good By Me - Thank You By: "Praying For This Song" by Jeff Perk & I Say So Much By Me) Thank You For This Is Good By You (Solo Song: )
00:02:40.000I mean, that's all of them in some ways.
00:02:42.000Especially with antidepressants, it's all like, yeah, this might...
00:02:45.000This mic could do something, maybe not.
00:02:47.000I like that there's stuff that they can do to you that is definitely beneficial, but it's just, you know, your insurance isn't going to cover it.
00:02:54.000If you have the cash, you can pay for it.
00:02:56.000Yeah, that's kind of the situation I was in, where it's like, nobody was going to pay for it, but if you want to roll the dice, and I rolled the dice and I got to say, hmm.
00:03:06.000But you, do you think that if the initial treatments that you had, the first couple that you really had good responses from, if you just stopped there, you'd have a different opinion of it?
00:06:02.000And the rooms, I would say, were designed, like, kind of a bit like, uh, what's the, uh, Clockwork Orange, like the milk bar thing, a bit like white walls, white breathing walls.
00:08:32.000I think I'm pretty sure that's the case.
00:08:34.000I'm pretty sure I was listening to a podcast where they were talking about various forms of anesthesia and sort of the evolution of using anesthesia and that ketamine worked really good in the field because you could have a very small amount and you would, you know,
00:12:45.000I've had a bunch of surgeries from athletic injuries.
00:12:49.000But for me, if I go into lulls, like if I'm not accomplishing things or in the past, I don't allow myself to get into those anymore because it's just not a good feeling.
00:13:00.000And it doesn't even necessarily have to be...
00:13:04.000Like a career-oriented thing, but I have to have things that I'm enjoying.
00:13:09.000It could just be like I'm really into doing yoga.
00:13:11.000So I'm doing yoga every day, and I do it, I get it done, and now I feel great.
00:13:16.000But if I'm not doing something, my brain, for whatever reason, needs tasks.
00:14:14.000I've had this conversation with people before that don't do stand-up, and I'm like, man, I wish I could tell you what it's like to crush in front of 5,000 people.
00:15:29.000Tony Hinchcliffe had this new joke, and he did it, and he came off stage, like, right after he did it, and he was literally, like, Like fist pumping.
00:15:39.000He was just so fired up because it killed.
00:15:50.000And you can do it in a way that no one gets jealous or feels like you're preening yourself.
00:15:54.000You gotta hang out with better people.
00:15:55.000No, I don't, but we're hanging out with basically the same people.
00:15:58.000Yeah, but I'm saying, like, if that's the problem, you know, and we've all been there before, too, like, where things are going well, and you're hanging around with someone, and they get super weird and creepy with you, and they withdraw, and you're like, oh.
00:16:09.000Yeah, what do you, yeah, what do you just kind of like, what do you want me to, do you want me to fail?
00:16:13.000Well, there's people that do definitely want you to fail, but what they definitely don't want you to do is highlight the fact that they're not succeeding.
00:16:20.000Well, yeah, but that's what most people consider—a lot of people consider your success their failure.
00:16:26.000Yeah, that's such a bizarre way of looking at it.
00:16:45.000There's enough jobs for talented people, but if you don't feel like you're talented, then you are fucking panicked all the time.
00:16:54.000And then it's a self-fulfilling prophecy because that sort of famine thinking is really bad for progress.
00:17:01.000If you're a person who's really worried about other people getting things and you start thinking in a jealous manner about other people's success, that fucks up your own ability to express yourself.
00:17:54.000You know, like someone else getting a television show, or someone else headlining a certain place.
00:18:00.000For comics, it's not a finite situation.
00:18:05.000There's a limited amount of resources.
00:18:08.000There's so many different clubs, and there's so many different topics, and there's so many different jobs.
00:18:13.000I think that's one of the reasons why comics are so ruthless when it comes to plagiarism.
00:18:18.000Because, like, say if you have a really unique idea, and this idea has come to you from the universe, and you're sketching it out and putting it together, and some fucker comes in and sees this and says, ah, I can fucking snag that.
00:18:30.000I've started looking at jokes as inventions.
00:18:33.000And it's like, you stole my fucking invention.
00:19:08.000Because then all of a sudden you start thinking, like, oh, well, this is not like a community of like-minded people that are supporting each other.
00:19:21.000It's people with different standards, because we all more or less have...
00:19:25.000I don't know if it's learned in the comedy community, or we all come into it with certain standards, but there is that thing of, like, there's an acceptable...
00:21:52.000There are guys like you that almost created it in a way, by going back to the store and by validating it, and then your fans go, and then it's a self-fulfilling thing.
00:23:33.000I don't want to say anything that's going to make somebody, I definitely don't want anybody saying that to me that's going to make me feel like that.
00:23:38.000What's funny is there's a zoom in on Ralphie's face, and as you're watching it, you're like, did they zoom in or did I zoom in?
00:25:10.000I know, but if they could say, yeah, Hitler made a lot of jokes about invading Austria.
00:25:15.000He used to do tons of bits about Austria.
00:25:18.000And then eventually he brought the hammer down.
00:25:21.000Like, if you could prove some sort of, you know, the A and B, A plus B equals C, then yeah, then it's like, okay, I agree.
00:25:29.000But you also know that racism and all that shit is like, it ain't about joking.
00:25:35.000It's about like, A, it's about, a lot of times it's about poverty, it's about class, it's so many other things that aren't necessarily comedy.
00:25:52.000And what jokes are is, like, you know that there's a certain amount of racism, and you play on it, and there's a wink as you're doing it, like, in a joke form, and there's some racist shit that people can say to each other in that joke battle or the roast battle.
00:28:17.000And smartly going, how do we televise it?
00:28:19.000Because the truth about Comedy Central is the ratings are so bad at this point that they, relative to what they were, that I think they're like, it's Kent Alterman just going like, I like that.
00:28:32.000And leaving shows on that are not particularly highly rated because he likes it.
00:28:37.000If they do that, though, I think that's the right way to go.
00:28:39.000If they just find what people actually enjoy, like L.A. right now has a comedy scene, a big comedy scene, and Roast Battle is one of the highlights of the comedy scene.
00:29:45.000Yeah, but to me, she did that one-woman show, which was in a theater, was not stand-up, and then she did Comic Relief, where she was doing a monologue with two other dudes.
00:29:55.000I'm pretty sure she did comedy clubs, too.
00:34:13.000So, I've been really interested in this idea of stimulation, the outside of your brain, after listening to a Radiolab podcast called Nine Volt Nirvana.
00:36:11.000They'd get like a stack of bazooka, like that bubble gum that turns into cement after you chew it for a couple minutes, and they just take that shit and...
00:36:18.000Which totally makes sense, because if your jaw is loose and weak...
00:36:26.000And if you look at guys with big jaws, like a guy like a Mark Hunt or something like that.
00:37:20.000You would think, that hand's not going to feel good.
00:37:22.000Like, you shake someone's hand, it doesn't feel anything.
00:37:24.000But if someone, like, rubs your hand, they start pulling your fingers, and they make them pop and stuff, and they massage your palms and the tips of your fingers and all the little connective muscles and all the tissue in between the fingers.
00:40:16.000When you think about how many people are prescribed these things, and then there's not really a direct understanding of how it impacts each person.
00:40:24.000Like, they'll tell you, hey, we'll try this medication, and if it doesn't work, we'll try another one.
00:40:31.000And how do you know if it's working for you or if you're having a good time in your life and so you're feeling better because maybe you started a new relationship and a new job and it's going well and hey, everything seems pretty good.
00:40:43.000Dude, I was on medications that made me nauseous for a year and a half before I was like, you know what?
00:40:49.000I literally thought I was nauseous because I was eating too many Lifesavers.
00:41:17.000I've never done it, so it's hard for me to describe it, but the people that I've talked to that have done it said one of the issues that they had with it is nothing had...
00:41:27.000The bad things didn't feel bad anymore, but the good things didn't feel good either.
00:41:32.000Well, that's the thing with a lot of antidepressants is they raise the floor and they also lower the ceiling so that it narrows your band of experience, basically.
00:44:09.000A little weight and a little pressure.
00:44:11.000Did you get nervous that there was something in there?
00:44:13.000No, because there were times where I'd go off of antidepressants and I'd have my jaw muscles and muscles in my temple would be so tight that I'd need to use like a massager on them.
00:44:25.000So I knew that it was all sort of connected.
00:47:34.000Maybe it's all going to one place, but that's my own personal interpretation of it.
00:47:39.000Well, that makes sense in that way, in that definition, that aerobic exercise would benefit people that have depression.
00:47:45.000Because they say that this particularly running and long-form aerobic exercise, it does something to stimulate brain growth and brain function.
00:47:56.000They also say, like, if you want to remember something, there was a thing last week or two weeks ago about memory, where if you want to, you should study, then exercise.
00:48:10.000You'll remember the shit you had, you studied.
00:48:13.000For me, there's nothing like physically writing something down with a pen.
00:48:18.000Yeah, I think there's something to that too, for sure.
00:48:20.000Like, where you see, because it is like two senses, you're hearing it in your head, it's three, you're hearing it in your head, you're seeing it with your eyes, and you're actually physically forming the thoughts.
00:48:31.000Yeah, and I actually do say the words out too.
00:48:33.000When I write something down, I actually say it.
00:49:04.000Yeah, they weren't being tested for vision.
00:49:07.000Yeah, you think about it for a second and all you can do is do a loud exhale.
00:49:13.000Yeah, we've been talking about perspective recently a lot.
00:49:16.000It's come up a few times about how insane, like yesterday we were talking about slavery, we were talking about the Confederate War, the Civil War rather, and the Confederate flag.
00:49:24.000And we were just talking about how insane it is that slavery was 1865, it was abolished.
00:51:25.000And again, I think I've talked about it, maybe I haven't talked about it here, that one of the biggest proponents of integration and ending redlining, you know about redlining?
00:51:34.000Redlining was a thing where banks would only give loans to people who lived.
00:52:12.000You could buy within that neighborhood, but you just, for the most part, couldn't get loans no matter what you did.
00:52:18.000And isn't it ironic that in a lot of those neighborhoods, the saving grace financially is white people gentrifying the neighborhoods and making them, like, super rich again.
00:52:29.000Yeah, that's the saving grace for people that were lucky enough to buy, which has happened more, that's happened a fairly good amount in Brooklyn.
00:55:13.000And it's like 1954. And I remember looking at that when I was a kid thinking, wow, this lady in this photo is probably like 100 years old now, right?
00:58:57.000The people that guard this church, they all have like cataracts and shit, and it's a very strange thing.
00:59:05.000This is all from Graham Hancock's book.
00:59:08.000Where it's one of the first things that got him into this idea of, like, lost civilizations, and that the idea that people had come up with, like, a pretty high level of sophistication in their societies, but then the societies would crumble,
00:59:24.000either due to natural disasters or war or whatever, and then they would have to sort of rebuild civilization.
00:59:32.000He was investigating this one church in Ethiopia where the people that guard this church in Ethiopia, it's like a very specific sect and they won't allow anyone to get into the sacred, secret areas of it.
00:59:46.000And the speculation was that somewhere inside that church is the lost Ark of the Covenant and that the reason why these people have cataracts and the reason why these people have all these issues, like health issues, it could possibly be that What's in that Lost Ark of the Covenant is some sort of a toxic element,
01:00:06.000whether it's nuclear or whether it's chemical or whether...
01:00:09.000It would stand to reason if you watch the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark.
01:00:13.000That makes those guys' faces melt, right?
01:00:57.000But if this kid can do that in 2016, the idea is if there was some sort of super highly advanced lost civilization that had reached an incredible level of sophistication when it came to, You know, the ability to manipulate matter and possibly even come up with some sort of a reactor and that that was what the Ark of the Covenant was.
01:01:19.000That's why it was so sacred and fascinating because they realized it had immense power.
01:01:23.000But that power was probably like some sort of a small reactor.
01:01:32.000Well, they know for sure that they've found batteries.
01:01:35.000They've found batteries in Baghdad and I believe in some of the ancient Egyptian sites that what it is is a very ancient sort of method of creating a battery.
01:02:54.000But see if you can find, actually before you see if you can find that, see if you can find the thing about the guys who guard the Ark of the Covenant in Ethiopia.
01:03:02.000Because apparently these monks that guard it, they all have fucked up eyes.
01:03:07.000That was one of the things that Graham Hancock thought was like super disturbing when he started investigating it.
01:03:11.000He's like, why do these guys have all cataracts and shit?
01:04:23.000They stopped thinking they were slaves about a decade ago, I think, when they uncovered some of the little camps that the people used to live in, and by the food that they were eating, and by the quality of the clothes and the plates, they think they were skilled workers.
01:04:41.000And which makes sense, because you're talking about something that 2,300,000 stones, I think the way they described it was if you cut in place 10 stones a day, it would take you 664 years.
01:04:53.000Yeah, so how long do they think it took?
01:05:23.000The way they decided to attribute the Sphinx to one guy, where there's a passage that it says that it came to him in a dream that if he uncovered the Sphinx, that he would be the Pharaoh.
01:07:08.000Isn't it possible also though that what they really needed is to get the fuck out of that cage and that the leader of their pack on a video maybe like let them know like maybe someone's gonna let me out of here.
01:08:01.000For pretty much every civilization, every single city, every single state, every single country always has that one charismatic leader that stands in front of the people and lifts his hands up and everybody cheers.
01:08:13.000Well, that's the thing that people underestimate, and I don't think we should talk about Trump for a long time, but he's got a lot of charisma.
01:08:21.000Say what you want about the guy, he's got a ton of charisma.
01:08:39.000Yeah, that's absolutely right, but it's charisma nonetheless.
01:08:41.000Like that's the, and that's the thing about stars and movie stars and shit like that, is like you're watching this guy, you watch Denzel Washington waiting for him to snap, He never does, but you can tell he's gonna.
01:12:09.000And I almost want to know, like, man, what could this have been if you let whoever came up with all that funny shit just make a movie out of it?
01:12:32.000In some ways, the thing I liked about Deadpool was I was watching it going, the producers of this movie did a good job where they were like, this moment doesn't work.
01:12:50.000And the producer is this guy named Scott Rudin who's like a famous producer and what I couldn't believe was the level of detail that guy was worried about.
01:12:59.000It was he busted Chris's balls for a year about the script literally made him rewrite and rewrite and rewrite and rewrite and rewrite and then on set the guy was worried about shirts and And buttons.
01:15:37.000It's like, it's an agenda-driven movie more than they wrote something, they figured, well, it'll work if you do this, or it'll work if you do that.
01:15:44.000Like, they didn't even have romantic interests in the movie, because men were just so retarded.
01:16:00.000Well, the thing I always tell people is when you're writing about a specific gen, like for a long time, women in comedy, women in comedy movies were props or they were like Andy McDowell always used to be like the love interest.
01:16:16.000And she was always just like this warm, sort of like vaguely disapproving.
01:16:20.000It's either like you're disapproving of the guy or you're approving to a fault.
01:16:25.000Because if there's a movie about a certain gender, which is usually men, the women in their lives, for the plot to advance, they'd either have to be for the plot or against the plot.
01:16:38.000So then women started complaining, like, well, you see us as these binary, goofy things, and obviously women in life are more complex than that.
01:16:46.000So now that women are starting to get their own movies, and it's about groups of women, you see it's a writing problem.
01:16:54.000You're in a trap where the men in Bridesmaids were goofy as fuck.
01:17:01.000Tell me more, because I've never seen that in my fucking whole life.
01:17:05.000A guy who's just like, and Bridesmaids is a fucking masterpiece for the most part.
01:17:10.000Just that part, I was kind of like, wait, so he's a cop and he's got an endless appetite for wig, even though she's not interested and was dicky to him, but he's still, he'll take her back, whatever.
01:17:23.000And it becomes about, he's basically the only man in the movie, and it's kind of a goofy part.
01:17:28.000And it's because it's about a group of women, and that's just the purpose that men have in that plot.
01:17:36.000But they always, people take it as like this, a sexism thing, and I just take it as like a screenwriting thing.
01:17:42.000Well, it is that, definitely, but one of the problems that people have found when they're talking about this movie is that you can't criticize it, because if you criticize it, you're sexist.
01:18:04.000Well, whatever, he's done it twice now.
01:18:06.000But I think he knows he's a really good writer.
01:18:09.000He knows it's hard to write because it's never been...
01:18:14.000I always tell people this and I go, show me a good example of...
01:18:17.000Of a movie about a group of guys where the woman isn't just...
01:18:20.000Even in Deadpool, she's a prop, but they make fun of it.
01:18:25.000She's a stripper, she's in love with him unconditionally, even though his face turns into a monster, she still wants him to eat her pussy.
01:18:32.000And they make fun of it, yeah, they make fun of it in a funny way, like they meet up, they meet cute, and then they think about how damaged they both are.
01:18:40.000Because it was brief, and it's like, the thing they always complain about when you're developing movies, it's like, I don't buy this couple, and it's like, yeah, it's a fucking movie.
01:21:01.000Well, maybe people would enjoy it more, and maybe they wouldn't be so handicapped because they had to sort of connect with the legacy and tie all these loose ends in, and they could kind of do it any way they want.
01:23:00.000I don't remember exactly what the premise behind it was.
01:23:04.000I don't know who that guy is, but he's interesting.
01:23:07.000But Charles Bronson and Jan Michael Vincent, they had this movie, which was a classic movie at the time, and then it was redone with Jason Statham and this other guy who is a really good actor.
01:25:50.000Yeah, he just keeps it together and he's but at any moment He could just let it go and when he decides to let it go And he can't control it because why isn't it just one of these things like in the Avengers?
01:26:00.000It seemed like they were like hey come help us with this specific guy Yeah, and he did tough to get him to pay attention But that's the premise, right?
01:26:12.000He can't guide it because it just seems like, hey, Hulk, come.
01:26:15.000And he's like, but you guys are going to make me get angry?
01:27:26.000That's the new treatment for the Hulk.
01:27:28.000Just keep him on very micro doses of ecstasy all day long.
01:27:31.000I know a ketamine guy if you need that.
01:27:34.000I also am a little mad that Lou Ferrigno is not involved, because he, to me, was the ultimate Hulk with the ripped jorts, the ripped jean shorts.
01:27:45.000That is always going to be the problem with the Hulk, is how the fuck are those pants still on?
01:28:40.000It's also got one of my favorite moments in a documentary ever, which if you want to bring it up, and you don't laugh at this, then you're not yourself.
01:34:16.000The fact that it takes so long to recharge, like you can charge in for a certain amount of time and it'll give you like 80%, or the idea that maybe they could swap batteries.
01:34:25.000You pull into a place and they take your batteries out and give you new batteries.
01:34:29.000But then you've got to trust that they're connecting the batteries right.
01:34:32.000You've got to trust that the batteries are good.
01:34:35.000You gotta trust who had the batteries before.
01:36:31.000So if I try not to drive like that, but if I'm cutting people off and doing shit like that, then you need, yeah, I need pickup because I'm an asshole.
01:38:39.000Well, you know what's funny is I think I saw it happen, but I was in Paris and I saw, like, someone said, like, I am very sorry what happened to your country.
01:38:50.000And I was like, what are you talking about?
01:39:12.000And I have some super clear memories that I can verify, but I've also got a lot of fuzzy ones.
01:39:19.000And the problem is when people start attaching all sorts of emotions and all sorts of different things to memories and then they start distorting them and then repeating the distortion of the memory till that becomes the memory and then in their mind like there's people that have been involved in business deals and they think that they were so wronged and everything went so terrible and this piece of shit and then my wife left me and then when you break down to them no no no that didn't happen at all This is what happened.
01:39:49.000Like, they don't want to hear the real...
01:39:51.000Right, and those are people, I think, that are a little bit crazy.
01:39:53.000I'm talking about, you ever be arguing with your wife, and you're like, I didn't say that, and then you think like, did I say that?
01:40:00.000Especially if you're barely paying attention.
01:40:50.000Well, my situation is pretty comfortable and easy to manage, but I have some friends that have some bad relationships with their wives, and it's basically when they get together, it's just who's going to win today's wrestling match.
01:41:03.000How many people do you know with marriages that you envy?
01:41:38.000But if you are some man or some woman even, like a woman who makes a shitload of money, and she has a husband that's kind of a layabout, and then...
01:41:48.000That's starting to happen, by the way.
01:41:58.000And this woman, who doesn't even like this guy anymore, has to pay him, you know, 10% or 15% of her salary every week, and she's just like, I can't even believe this.
01:42:09.000Like, that has always been the case with men and women.
01:42:39.000And it's involving the legal system and the banks.
01:42:42.000And as soon as there's a system that's set up where people are profiting off that system, good luck prying it from their fucking hands.
01:42:50.000That's the political system that we have right now, but it's also the marriage system.
01:42:55.000If you've talked to someone who's gone through horrific divorces and had to deal with the financial implications or complications, it gets insane.
01:43:04.000Well, that's what a buddy of mine was like.
01:43:05.000My wife, the sad thing is, the deal she's going to get, I offered her two years ago.
01:46:33.000He's constantly hustling and doing deals and this and that, and he's putting it all together.
01:46:38.000And while he's getting divorced to this woman...
01:46:41.000They're going through the court system, and the court system in this two-year fight is spinning this whole thing back and forth, and you need to get more, man, because you have to consider his earning potential is going to increase over the next few years, and it wouldn't have happened if you weren't around.
01:46:58.000I mean, your stability in the relationship is part of the reason why he had the confidence to pursue these business deals, and you should be compensated for it.
01:47:48.000But if the lawyer on the other side, if they can figure out a way to get the court to rob you, like, and you've got to give your wife $50 million or something like that, that lawyer gets a chunk of that.
01:49:08.000Someone was talking to me about a Donald Sterling type sugar daddy situation.
01:49:12.000And they were saying that it's awful that these men get preyed upon by these vicious women.
01:49:18.000I'm like, if you don't know that that girl is fucking you because you're rich, if you have...
01:49:26.000A hundred billion dollars, and you're 90 years old, and this girl tells you she loves you, and she's with you all the time, she's acting perfect, you don't know that she wants that money.
01:49:36.000And by the way, if she's fucking you, she deserves a lot of money.
01:49:43.000If you're a Donald Sterling type character and you've got some 25 year old super hot stripper that you're laying pipe to, you gotta pay her a lot.
01:49:52.000Because what she's doing is, first of all, very difficult to do.
01:49:56.000She's pretending to be attracted to you and you're disgusting.
01:50:37.000Only in your imagination do they exist.
01:50:39.000But if you keep her, like, constantly, like, covered in diamonds and furs and whatever the fuck she needs and crocodile skin purses and Chinese named shoes and whatever the fuck you need.
01:50:52.000Do you believe that it is possible to be legitimately attracted to a Donald Sterling type?
01:50:59.000I think there are women with big enough father issues that like, yeah, I'm legitimately attracted to him like I would be a 20-year-old.
01:51:06.000I would never say that anything when it comes to attraction is impossible.
01:52:07.000And it's an issue that's completely unresolved, because people on both sides of it claim they're right, and they both seem to have a good argument.
01:52:14.000And then also the argument is, like, isn't it possible that there's a big fucking difference between a sex slave and a woman who, like, maybe she's like a young girl living in New York City, the rent's really high, she decides to fuck some rich guys for money.
01:52:26.000Like, why is that worse than working at Denny's?
01:53:27.000So, whatever the girl's name, whatever you would call her, if she's dating some super billionaire type Richard Branson type character and he just gives her a salary, Like, what if she's got a salary?
01:53:39.000It's like, look, baby, you get $5,000 a week to just go crazy with and give you a credit card.
01:54:21.000Well, that's the thing of, like, this thing of sex.
01:54:24.000If you look at sex as this holy sacrament, then it is—if you look at every ejaculation as a holy sacrament, which the church would have you believe, and then they get into government and they make laws, whatever, then it's not legal.
01:54:38.000But if you look at it like a milking or even a teeth cleaning or a haircut— Or anything that you need, any service that you need fairly regularly, then all laws are nonsense for the most part.
01:54:55.000Isn't part of the problem, too, is the immediately accessible nature of the sex is troublesome to some people?
01:55:02.000Because if you have a relationship with someone who's basically fucking you for your money, at least you have this relationship with them and you hang out with them for long periods of time.
01:56:25.000Like, you can't tell someone that they can't play rugby.
01:56:28.000You can't say, no, you can't play rugby, because rugby, they run into each other, and you're gonna get hurt.
01:56:32.000What do you think's gonna happen in the NFL? I don't know enough about it, but what I do know is that there's a lot of people that have some serious fucking brain damage from playing football.
01:58:02.000We don't think of it as being the most violent sport because we think of MMA as being more violent because you're actually trying to hit the person.
01:58:09.000That's the goal is to try to hurt them with your hands or your feet.
02:00:21.000One of the big takeaways is how good OJ was at football.
02:00:31.000Because I'm not old enough to remember O.J. playing football.
02:00:34.000So I heard he ran for 2,000 yards, but one of the episodes, five parts, one of the parts is basically just about that, about how nice he was at football.
02:02:55.000You have to think that there's for sure going to be some severe neurological implications of getting smashed in the head over and over again by big gigantic dudes like that.
02:03:16.000I do remember sparring sessions, just sparring sessions, where I got my bell rang and I'd go home and lay in bed and my fucking head would be throbbing and aching, just boom, boom, boom, just sitting there.
02:04:05.000For me, I had to go like the Mike Tyson style, which is one that Mike Tyson used to wear, where a lot of his face was exposed.
02:04:12.000A lot of people kind of criticized it because they said that he was more open to cuts, and there's a reason why they had those big cheek.
02:04:18.000But you can't see left and right, like peripherals.
02:04:20.000If you're sparring a guy and he throws real wide stuff on you, especially kicks, guys who sneak kicks around your shoulder, you literally don't see them until they're on your neck.
02:05:29.000And especially if you get hit in the base of your head, like one of the scariest kicks that you can get hit with, that a lot of guys get hit with, is neck kicks.
02:06:39.000He slides on the outside and he lifts his head up.
02:06:43.000It lifts his foot up, rather, and goes over the shoulder, where Maurice doesn't even see it coming until it's already too late, and it hits the back of his head.
02:07:09.000But you can kick guys, and when you land, it oftentimes lands in the back of the head, and no one ever thinks there's anything wrong with it.
02:08:06.000Because it's so encouraged, we don't think about the implications of kicking someone in the back of the head, which is probably way worse than punching someone in the back of the head.
02:08:14.000But it happens all the time in kickboxing and all the time in MMA. It's one of those weird things where nobody wants to talk about it, but everybody knows it's the case.
02:08:22.000You're kicking a guy in a totally illegal spot.
02:08:26.000Do fighters acknowledge how double the standard is?
02:09:14.000If you have one hand up, they can knee you in the face.
02:09:18.000So that's not a downed opponent, because there's a lot of people that are criticizing this downed opponent thing, because people were sort of what they would call gaming the system, where you would lean down, you just touch your hand on the ground like as if it's safe, and then the guy can't hit you.
02:09:33.000So that's how you're getting out of exchanging.
02:09:48.000But the issue becomes if you are incapable of getting out of the way, should you be able to knee a guy in the head?
02:09:55.000Because some guys, when they're down like that, it's like, whoa, that's a devastating maneuver to knee a guy in the head when they're in that position.
02:10:58.000I found something where it said that there was a report of one of them having milky cataracts in a description, but it's not all of them from what I'm reading.
02:11:46.000Yeah, there was apparently also a storm and leaky roof that was going to make them move it in 2012, but I didn't find anything that said that, whether it was seen or not.
02:11:55.000And the Baghdad battery was supposedly also not a battery.
02:12:00.000They think it was used for electroplating statues with gold and silver.
02:13:32.000We were looking at the Baghdad battery that we were looking at earlier.
02:13:35.000Apparently, Jamie found out that it might have been used to electroplate gold, that it created a small charge, but it really wasn't a battery.
02:13:41.000It was just used to make almost like electric paint.
02:13:46.000And then we're trying to figure out, well, I was like, how fucking cool is that?
02:13:49.000Like, how crazy were the first people, the first monkey people from, like, a million years ago, or whatever it was, that figured out how to make a flint knife?
02:14:42.000That potter's wheel was at least 6,000 or at least 4,000 BC. There's also the idea that people invented it and it just never got out before that.
02:19:48.000And what I realized is I came away with, like, I'm so overstimulated at home.
02:19:54.000With podcasts, television shows, computers, fucking phones, texting constantly, that it's made me really cut back on everything in a way that's very, very positive, I think.
02:20:06.000Because, dude, I wake up, I don't, most people wake up and you immediately, like, mainline Information or technology like right like I used to do when I smoke cigarettes I would wake up and have four cigarettes and drink coffee and just like shock my body and I feel like And I feel like that's what I do now all right what I used to do with technology just like constantly turn my phone on Go on New York Times go on this thing going and I go on reddit go on all these places and it wasn't make it was just stressing me out Yeah,
02:20:37.000it doesn't make you feel good Yeah, but that's hard.
02:24:09.000But yeah, so it is this, that was what I learned, like, the walking around, not having to talk to people was cool in that there was no pressure.
02:24:19.000And it was also, like, the least sexual environment I've ever been in.
02:24:24.000Because everyone just looks like they have the flu, basically.
02:24:35.000I didn't have a roommate, but, like, you're in, like, Olympic-style dorms, like, where you have a roommate, and there's, like, eight rooms on each floor.
02:24:43.000It was like a summer camp, basically, where you did nothing.
02:24:47.000It seriously would be kind of hot, though.
02:25:20.000And then they would do a talk every night about some theme, some Buddhist theme, and then the next day you would talk in a group about that.
02:25:28.000And what I found was I didn't even really want to talk.
02:26:37.000He lives in Australia, and he takes these trips out to the bush where he goes out camping, and he'll be gone for like eight, nine days, or he won't see people for like nine days.
02:26:48.000And he said that when he comes back...
02:26:51.000Oftentimes it feels really weird to talk to people like almost like forgot how to talk to people Where it's been nothing but him alone with his thoughts with no cell phone service for like eight or nine days Yeah, it's really worthwhile because what I also realized is that I was like With all the signal and all the noise and everything is I was upsetting myself.
02:27:19.000Like, no, we're in the golden age of information and I can access any fucking video and look at the Godfather and fucking Scarface and all this shit.
02:27:53.000I mean, I have antidepressants and stuff like that, but meditation really helps.
02:27:57.000And since I've been back, I've meditated pretty much every day since, which is really for like three months, which is really...
02:28:02.000I've missed a few days, but it's definitely like an entrenched part of my life now that I miss if I don't do it.
02:28:09.000Time for reflection is very important to avoid getting stuck with momentum, right?
02:28:14.000When you have the momentum of your life and you just kind of let things keep playing out and just adjusting along the fly, that separation, to step back and look at it, it's so critical.
02:28:28.000It's so hard to do because I think once things start going in your life, whether it's obligations or financial responsibilities or whatever things that you're working on that are occupying all of your time, they become so much a part of your thought process.
02:28:45.000And you consider them to be like of primary importance because this is like, I have to pay these bills.
02:28:51.000Hey, this, I have to deal with this shit.
02:30:10.000You can't even quantify how much they're gonna miss him.
02:30:12.000He kept it together in the face of overwhelming criticism, which is really interesting, like the way he handled it without a hint of bitterness or anger.
02:30:34.000Yeah, and I think one of the good things about having a guy like that, one of the most important things, you can criticize him, you're with him, you're not with him, but having a guy like that sets the tone for the way we think about ourselves.
02:31:17.000And that like that having like an insulting president who...
02:31:22.000Yeah, I'm thinking about whether I agree with you about whether Obama raised the discourse because it got coarser and he got yelled at and you lie and all that stuff.
02:31:47.000Yeah, it's not as simple, because it did get worse, but I think the thing that you said that's really worthwhile is the level-headedness of that dude.
02:32:02.000See, it's hard for me to discern how much of the hate he gets is from his policy, from where just the current state of the United States is in the eyes of ourselves, the world, financially,
02:32:24.000How much of it is legitimate criticism that makes sense?
02:32:28.000How much of it is, you know, this criticism that he's always had that by trying to be accommodating to everybody, he really gets nothing done?
02:32:58.000Because they did the same thing with Clinton, where they tried to indict him pretty much from day one and investigate the fuck out of him and his wife.
02:33:04.000Well, do you remember that Donald Trump...
02:33:07.000I should say Republican politicians, because I can't speak for all people.
02:34:00.000As Jesus is my witness, he hates America.
02:34:04.000He wants the Second Amendment to be abolished.
02:34:07.000Yes, and it feels good to play the victim.
02:34:09.000That's the thing people also forget is like, No, it feels fucking really good to go like, he's out to get us and he doesn't believe what I believe.
02:34:16.000It's like, no, he's a fucking boring ass.
02:34:18.000I believe he may be an atheist, but I believe, but he's a, I think that's the worst thing you say about him religiously.
02:34:40.000I just I don't think anybody's ever gonna be able to do that job.
02:34:44.000I think that job is a ridiculous job and I think that at the very least he moves some social issues In a way, during his time, I feel like people were more tolerant in a lot of ways.
02:34:58.000It opened up a lot of social issues that I don't think would have been addressed with a less measured, more easily accessible guy.
02:35:08.000Well, he truly is progressive, where it's like, I'm a progressive politician, so I want things to evolve.
02:35:16.000But then there's like the fucking Ed Snowden shit.
02:36:43.000Fire all weapons, we got the weapons, let's use them type thing.
02:36:46.000It's interesting that everybody, pretty much, that's involved at the highest level in military, there's a giant percentage of them that are probably conservative, right?
02:44:59.000A scrub bull are animals that, until the last X amount of years, used to be domestic cattle, but then they get loose and they live in the countryside.
02:45:09.000And this is something that happens often in Australia.
02:45:13.000Where they're not necessarily the same strain anymore as a strain of cattle that you would use for beef or that you would bring to market.
02:45:25.000They have different genetics now because they've been wild for so long and they're not like an Angus cow.
02:45:32.000So if you have Angus cows and this thing shows up and starts fucking your...
02:49:27.000Oh my god, they beat the fuck out of each other too.
02:49:31.000See if you can find a good video of bighorn sheep headbutting each other.
02:49:37.000Because these fucking things, they have these giant battering rams that grow out of their heads and they raise up and crash into each other.
02:49:50.000And the sound sounds like a rifle going off.
02:51:36.000What happened was, I guess, after Civil War, there were a bunch of people that were market hunters.
02:51:46.000And the same type of people that shot all the buffalo for the hides and all that jazz.
02:51:51.000They did that with a lot of animals all throughout the entire West.
02:51:54.000And they potentially wiped out or got close to having them wiped out.
02:52:01.000A bunch of different big game species like elk and deer and it took a while to bring all those things back.
02:52:06.000So what a lot of these conservation organizations are doing is like taking these things and dropping them off into the mountains some places and then monitoring them and making sure their populations survive.
02:52:17.000But it's a fucking way too cool of an animal to not figure out how to bring back.
02:53:20.000Yeah, watching those things headbutt each other just makes you weirded out as to how the different ways that things evolve, but they're all a kind of life.
02:53:28.000Like how strong the difference is between an octopus that can get out of the hole the size of a quarter and squeeze its whole body through and that thing that slams its head into one of the other competing males raises up on its back legs and comes crashing forward.
02:54:25.000I think people are supposed to live I think naturally, we're inclined to live in a place where you don't need to do anything as far as clothing.
02:54:35.000If you go back to the indigenous people in the Amazon that are chilling and drinking ayahuasca and going fishing and growing their own vegetables, they're basically naked.
02:54:46.000They've probably been like that forever.
02:54:50.000I think as soon as you put on clothes, As soon as you can manipulate your environment and live in a spot where you normally wouldn't be able to live, but you figured out fire...
02:56:38.000And if that does happen, and the power grid stays down during the winter in some place, and they can't figure out how to get people to go out there and fix it, and...
02:56:47.000Yeah, whereas, what's the stats on heat?
02:57:56.000I think that kind of makes sense, that people would have different temperature requirements as well, you know, what makes them feel like it works.
03:00:01.000Comedy clubs are so important, and a lot of people that get to theaters, and they get to that theater stage, they never want to give back to the comedy clubs.
03:00:12.000They always have this weird adversarial relationship with club owners.
03:00:15.000But I'm always like, look, nobody's perfect here, but if it wasn't for these people that are willing to open a comedy club...
03:00:22.000Crazy assholes like you and me wouldn't have any place to work.
03:00:25.000We're not going to make our own club, right?
03:00:28.000Gods that are awesome like Bob Fisher owns the Ice House.
03:00:31.000He's such a sweetheart of a guy that it doesn't just benefit you to do it because it's a good thing financially to help him and help that club, but you need people like that.
03:00:45.000That's the only way we ever get to work.
03:01:50.000And it does become this thing of like, it forces you as a comic to go like, well, when I get the chance to fuck you, you're gonna get fucked.
03:02:15.000You're the comic, those are the club owners, they're trying to fuck you, they're all pieces of shit, they should give you your fucking money, they should be happy you're there.
03:02:52.000That's a really recent thing in terms of the last hundred years.
03:02:56.000Well, I was explaining to a buddy of mine about how comedy has become so necessary, and I think it's partially because of the news, in that When the news started, every news division lost money.
03:03:12.000But in order to get a license, you had to have a good news division.
03:03:16.000And then in the 80s, they deregulated it.
03:03:18.000And then news became a profit center for networks.
03:03:24.000And good journalism basically went out the window.
03:03:27.000So guys like Jon Stewart and guys like Michael Moore and guys like Chris Rock and guys that were like political and had TV shows became almost like the function of news programs before this.
03:03:43.000And I was explaining to him, and he was like, oh, okay, because I was explaining to someone how John came, how his rise to power, and Colbert, and all these people, because there's no alternative.
03:03:53.000And now the internet, you can get at least Reddit, or there's a lot of shitty websites with quote-unquote news on them.
03:04:01.000But for a long time you couldn't get, it was just, there was a vacuum of like, there's no big objective opinion.
03:04:09.000Or John Oliver on HBO where he'll do these deep dives into because no one else is going to do them.
03:04:15.000Because there's no money in them, allegedly.
03:04:17.000They'd rather do something sensational.
03:04:20.000Like the dumbest thing, or the most recent dumb thing Trump said.
03:04:24.000And there's no, like, there's a premium on objective truth.
03:06:05.000And as much as it's like, because it's a weird job, I don't know anyone who's just like that ideologically driven and could navigate the way it is now.
03:06:15.000So as much as I'm like, well, we're going to shake the system up.
03:06:22.000To elect a leader, for someone to campaign and tell you that they would make the best leader.
03:06:30.000Like, all throughout history, the people that are proclaiming themselves to be the ones that you should follow are almost always the ones you should never follow.
03:06:39.000So when someone is proclaiming themselves to be capable of leading this land, and I am going to be your king, and I will take you to the highest heights!
03:06:49.000Right, but I don't even think kings needed to do that.
03:06:56.000But this is essentially the same model, right, that they're doing when they're running for president, even though we know that that's not the kind of personality trait that you would want from a leader.
03:07:28.000When do you decide when you put people in jail?
03:07:31.000Do we throw all the old rules out and completely look at them all with new facts and new ideas?
03:07:38.000There's a lot of weird drug arguments where there's certain drugs that are illegal that are way more dangerous than certain drugs that are illegal.
03:07:45.000And then you look at this money trail behind all that, and you're like, okay, how can you How can you guys still do this?
03:12:07.000We gotta make it past our failing bodies, but once we get there...
03:12:11.000I think one of these cranial helmets, if they had a cranial helmet that came up with, that had all these electrodes just constantly zapping your brain while you're walking around with it on.