The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #849

00:00:02.000 Yeah.

00:00:03.000 And we're live!

00:00:04.000 Put that thing down.

00:00:06.000 I want you to focus.

00:00:08.000 I want you to focus.

00:00:09.000 I gotta get into your head, man.

00:00:10.000 I gotta find out what you're about.

00:00:12.000 Your Instagram's just at Joe Rogan, right?

00:00:13.000 Yes.

00:00:14.000 Did you post it?

00:00:17.000 Posted.

00:00:19.000 Go.

00:00:20.000 Okay.

00:00:20.000 Turn that over so you can't look at it.

00:00:22.000 That's the key.

00:00:23.000 I wouldn't think that a guy like you would be easily distracted.

00:00:26.000 You can't be.

00:00:26.000 I'm like, I'm just like on different things.

00:00:29.000 If I get on something, I'm on it, and then it's like something else, and my brain is doing so many different things at one time.

00:00:35.000 How did you get to be the guy that makes people shit their pants when they watch your videos?

00:00:40.000 Because if you haven't seen any of his videos, stop, pause this podcast for perspective.

00:00:45.000 Go look up James Kingston.

00:00:47.000 What is your YouTube...

00:00:48.000 I just put James Kingston.

00:00:50.000 James Kingston.

00:00:51.000 Yeah, it'll pop up.

00:00:51.000 And all forms of social media, right?

00:00:54.000 You got Instagram, all that jazz, and there's just ridiculous photos and videos of you doing shit that people watch with their friends and everybody goes, Jesus Christ, and they cringe and your asshole puckles up.

00:01:08.000 Like this one.

00:01:09.000 Where are you at here?

00:01:11.000 Climbing in the Ukraine.

00:01:12.000 That's in Ukraine, yeah.

00:01:13.000 With Mustang Wanted?

00:01:15.000 Is that the guy's name?

00:01:16.000 Yep.

00:01:16.000 So you hooked up with the Russians.

00:01:18.000 You out-Russianed the Russians.

00:01:19.000 Yeah.

00:01:20.000 I wouldn't say I out-Russianed them, but...

00:01:23.000 But that's what they do, right?

00:01:24.000 That's the whole thing.

00:01:25.000 I think only Russians can out-Russian Russians.

00:01:28.000 So he's climbing...

00:01:30.000 First of all, how hard is it to get to this tower?

00:01:32.000 We're looking at this video, and I am fucking freaking out.

00:01:35.000 How high are you up here?

00:01:37.000 This one...

00:01:38.000 I think it was just over 200 meters.

00:01:42.000 This is Mustang.

00:01:43.000 Oh my god, he's hanging by one hand.

00:01:45.000 This one is the second tallest building in Ukraine, right?

00:01:49.000 Oh my god.

00:01:50.000 And you go in the bottom and it's like a shopping center.

00:01:53.000 And then they took me like through all these little doors and then we took a lift down into like the basement and then we walked through the basement and found another lift.

00:02:00.000 Oh my god, he's standing on the edge here.

00:02:02.000 Who's standing on the edge?

00:02:02.000 You?

00:02:03.000 Mustang again.

00:02:04.000 Oh my, he's out of his fucking mind.

00:02:07.000 Holy fuck, this video is hard to watch, man.

00:02:13.000 So, and these muscles with your hair.

00:02:15.000 What led you to this?

00:02:17.000 And how long have you been doing this?

00:02:18.000 So I've done parkour for nine years.

00:02:21.000 You know what parkour is, right?

00:02:22.000 Jumping around, all that fun stuff.

00:02:23.000 They have little classes for little kids now.

00:02:25.000 They do, yeah.

00:02:26.000 It's really cool, yeah.

00:02:27.000 And about four years ago, I got to a point where I was, like, satisfied with what I was able to do, right?

00:02:34.000 But I was still, like, super scared of heights.

00:02:36.000 So I was like, okay, I know that if I want to get over this fear of heights, I need to...

00:02:42.000 Do it.

00:02:42.000 Face my fear.

00:02:43.000 So is this your stuff?

00:02:44.000 Is this you?

00:02:45.000 Yeah.

00:02:46.000 So this is you running on trees and stuff.

00:02:48.000 And the whole idea behind parkour is to use the world around you.

00:02:54.000 Steps and fences and all kind of crazy shit.

00:02:58.000 And to, you know, you're essentially performing acrobatics with all this stuff.

00:03:03.000 Yeah, just jumping around.

00:03:05.000 I think the...

00:03:06.000 Now how do you do this and not get hurt?

00:03:09.000 You just practice a lot.

00:03:10.000 The whole idea isn't to go out and just do crazy stuff and risk your life.

00:03:15.000 You start slow.

00:03:17.000 You start with small jumps and then you progress steadily and sensibly.

00:03:22.000 And then eventually you'll get to a point where you can do things that make most people feel a bit sick.

00:03:27.000 Well, what did you start doing?

00:03:28.000 Did you take gymnastics in school or something?

00:03:30.000 No, I was like a little fat kid when I was younger.

00:03:33.000 Not super fat, but unhealthy.

00:03:35.000 Just played computer games.

00:03:36.000 That was it.

00:03:37.000 How are you able to jump so far, too?

00:03:39.000 That's another thing that freaks me out.

00:03:40.000 I've got big legs.

00:03:41.000 You know, I'm six foot three, I can jump.

00:03:43.000 I know, but there's a lot of people that are six foot three that can't jump from one building to the next.

00:03:48.000 I've seen some of the ridiculous ones where you jump from the top of a building to another building, like on a very small ledge that you're landing on.

00:03:57.000 Yeah.

00:03:57.000 Just practice.

00:03:58.000 How the fuck do you practice that?

00:04:00.000 You start with a jump that's like four foot wide.

00:04:02.000 Right.

00:04:03.000 And then as you get back, you do that hundreds and hundreds of times until that becomes like nothing.

00:04:07.000 Right.

00:04:07.000 And then you'll realize that you can now jump five foot and then blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:04:11.000 My peak's like 11, 11 and a half foot standing jump.

00:04:15.000 11 and a half foot.

00:04:16.000 Yeah.

00:04:17.000 Wow.

00:04:18.000 Dude, you should be in the Olympics.

00:04:20.000 They're on another level.

00:04:22.000 Yeah, how far can like a long jumper jump?

00:04:26.000 20 feet.

00:04:28.000 Something like that.

00:04:28.000 I think the record is probably 21, 22. Holy shit.

00:04:33.000 But still, 11 feet in between buildings.

00:04:35.000 Now, when you're jumping and one building's taller, another building's smaller, it gives you more time to travel, right?

00:04:42.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:04:43.000 So, like, when you're jumping, I saw this one video of you.

00:04:46.000 You were on the ledge, and you leapt across from one building to another.

00:04:50.000 And I'm like, this has got to be Photoshopped.

00:04:52.000 This can't even be real.

00:04:53.000 The one that you posted.

00:04:54.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:04:55.000 Yeah, that one's in Cambridge.

00:04:56.000 That one's actually a small jump because there's quite a big height difference.

00:05:00.000 Right.

00:05:01.000 Massive impact because of the height.

00:05:03.000 Yeah.

00:05:04.000 And you've got a ledge that's maybe like a foot deep to land on.

00:05:06.000 And then there's a scaffolding pole right in front of it that you kind of slam into.

00:05:11.000 You can see it in the video.

00:05:12.000 I slam into that pole.

00:05:13.000 Jesus.

00:05:14.000 But that's all part of taking the impact.

00:05:16.000 Use your arms as well.

00:05:18.000 Yeah, but that doesn't seem like something you could practice a lot, right?

00:05:22.000 Slamming into something that hard?

00:05:23.000 Those ones, you can't practice a lot, but...

00:05:25.000 Yeah, you figure it out.

00:05:27.000 You figure out how to take impact and...

00:05:29.000 Yeah.

00:05:30.000 So you started doing this about four years ago, right?

00:05:34.000 You started doing the height stuff?

00:05:35.000 Started doing the climbing kind of scary stuff.

00:05:38.000 And when did you start releasing videos?

00:05:40.000 Right away?

00:05:42.000 Um...

00:05:44.000 No, not really.

00:05:45.000 I mean, I'd release...

00:05:46.000 This is the one?

00:05:47.000 This is the one, yeah.

00:05:47.000 Oh, this one makes me shit my pants.

00:05:49.000 That seems so far.

00:05:52.000 That seems so far.

00:05:53.000 How far is it?

00:05:53.000 No, it's not that far.

00:05:54.000 You could jump to the lower bit there quite easily.

00:05:57.000 That's what other people have done.

00:05:58.000 You slam right into that pole.

00:05:59.000 Fuck.

00:06:01.000 Yeah, that is bananas, dude.

00:06:03.000 Yeah.

00:06:04.000 So how much is the distance between those two buildings?

00:06:07.000 Between those...

00:06:09.000 Probably like 10 foot, 12 foot maybe.

00:06:12.000 It does not seem like you can do it.

00:06:14.000 Because there's a big drop as well, it's more about judging it correctly and not jumping too far and not jumping too little.

00:06:22.000 Right.

00:06:23.000 Yeah, I'd say like 12 foot, I think.

00:06:25.000 Run that one more time, Jamie.

00:06:26.000 I just want to see this one more time because this freaks me out every time I see it.

00:06:30.000 Every time I see it, I'm like, well, he's going to die for sure.

00:06:32.000 There's no way he can make it.

00:06:33.000 So you kind of like lean forward and then swing your arms and then push off of it.

00:06:40.000 Just like a standard rule jump.

00:06:43.000 Because you're already committing to the jump as you're leaning forward.

00:06:47.000 You can see it in your momentum.

00:06:49.000 Your head, because you have a GoPro on, is above, it's past the center line of that beam that you're standing on.

00:06:56.000 And you're going out there.

00:06:57.000 Once you're gone, that's it.

00:07:01.000 But that's the idea.

00:07:02.000 You train enough so that when you're stood on the edge looking at something, you have no doubt.

00:07:06.000 You can't afford to have any doubt.

00:07:07.000 If I doubted myself there, and I commit to it, and I lean, and then I back out, I'm dead.

00:07:12.000 I had a crazy dream last night, man, that I'm just remembering.

00:07:15.000 I had a crazy dream that I was climbing with Alex Honnold.

00:07:19.000 Alex has been on the podcast before.

00:07:24.000 Every now and then I'll think about how crazy he is, about how crazy what he does is, but how, like, mellow and, like, calm he is about it, you know?

00:07:31.000 Like, you know, when he was describing climbing, he's like, it's really actually kind of mellow.

00:07:35.000 It's like, if anything is, like, if you're really scared, something's gone horribly wrong, and it's really, really bad.

00:07:41.000 It's exactly the same.

00:07:42.000 Yeah.

00:07:42.000 People think I'm, like, an adrenaline junkie.

00:07:46.000 What is that?

00:07:46.000 Base jumping?

00:07:46.000 Yeah.

00:07:47.000 Unless he just fell.

00:07:49.000 I'm sure he pulls it out right there at the end.

00:07:51.000 There it is.

00:07:52.000 Dude, fuck all that.

00:07:54.000 Is this Alex?

00:07:55.000 That's not him.

00:07:56.000 I don't think so, no.

00:07:57.000 It looks like, oh my god.

00:07:58.000 Look at that.

00:07:59.000 Oh my god.

00:08:00.000 See, I'm not into that.

00:08:02.000 That's too much trust in a backpack.

00:08:03.000 Everything I do is like a little me.

00:08:06.000 Interesting.

00:08:07.000 That, yeah.

00:08:07.000 Not into that.

00:08:08.000 My friend Andy, Andy Stump, he does that wingsuit shit.

00:08:11.000 He's got the world record in wingsuit flying.

00:08:14.000 Yeah.

00:08:14.000 He's out of his fucking mind.

00:08:16.000 He just loves to do that.

00:08:17.000 He gets to the top cliffs of the world and just throws his fucking body off.

00:08:22.000 And has like a squirrel suit.

00:08:24.000 Like the close proximity stuff where they're just like...

00:08:26.000 We watched one the other day where a guy slammed into a bridge.

00:08:29.000 Yeah.

00:08:30.000 He missed.

00:08:30.000 I've seen it.

00:08:31.000 Have you seen that?

00:08:31.000 Yeah.

00:08:32.000 The sound.

00:08:33.000 It's rough.

00:08:33.000 I don't know why I didn't expect it to be so loud.

00:08:38.000 The meat.

00:08:39.000 And there was people on the bridge.

00:08:40.000 Oh, yeah.

00:08:41.000 And his family were there.

00:08:42.000 Oh, yeah.

00:08:43.000 That's not good.

00:08:44.000 Yeah.

00:08:46.000 Do you worry about that when you're doing these crazy jumps?

00:08:48.000 No, not at all.

00:08:49.000 I mean, it's in my mind.

00:08:50.000 Like, if I make a mistake, that's it.

00:08:52.000 But I don't make mistakes.

00:08:54.000 That's what...

00:08:55.000 You've got to be confident.

00:08:56.000 You've got to have...

00:08:58.000 Confidence in what you're doing.

00:08:59.000 Otherwise, if you're up there and you're scared, the chances of failing are so much higher, I think.

00:09:05.000 Yeah, I think with anything.

00:09:06.000 I mean, you have to be in the moment, right?

00:09:08.000 Well prepared in the moment.

00:09:12.000 How much of what you're doing, is it really you taking a chance?

00:09:15.000 And how much of it is just you having a better understanding of what your body's capable of than the average person?

00:09:21.000 Than most people, I should say, not the average person.

00:09:23.000 Taking chances, maybe like 10%.

00:09:25.000 Wow, that's interesting.

00:09:27.000 And that's only on me taking chances and trusting structures.

00:09:34.000 Like maybe jumping to something that I'm not able to check first.

00:09:37.000 Right.

00:09:38.000 But it doesn't happen often.

00:09:39.000 Every time I do it, I'm like, probably shouldn't have done that.

00:09:42.000 It's really interesting also that you picking this up four years ago is sort of like where social media, it's around the time where social media really started to take off.

00:09:52.000 Yeah.

00:09:52.000 Maybe a couple years before that it did, but like YouTube videos of do people doing crazy shit really between like six and seven years ago That's when it really is that right?

00:10:00.000 Am I saying that right?

00:10:01.000 Yeah, like 2010 ish is a really sort of take off.

00:10:04.000 Yeah, so you kind of caught You caught that wave, you know, I didn't you know, I didn't really get anywhere to any kind of good decent like following on YouTube until Three four years ago.

00:10:16.000 That was it.

00:10:17.000 I released my first like crane climb Video that that blew up and went super viral and that was that kicked everything off and then because of that video I nailed a TV show in the in the UK on Channel 4 and then that was Everything just took off then Wow now these Russian cats you were hanging out with in the Ukraine we climbed up on that tower Mm-hmm.

00:10:39.000 Um, there's a lot of those guys like you see.

00:10:41.000 Yeah, yeah, it's a lot of videos Yeah, like what is it about Russians?

00:10:46.000 And climbing on what is it about these crazy kids?

00:10:49.000 Why they're so nutty?

00:10:51.000 I don't know.

00:10:52.000 That's something I've been trying to figure out.

00:10:54.000 I've only been to Ukraine.

00:10:56.000 I haven't been to Russia.

00:10:57.000 But there's not much going on there.

00:11:01.000 There's not much to live for in Russia or Ukraine.

00:11:04.000 I don't want to sound mean.

00:11:05.000 I know what you're saying.

00:11:06.000 And there's so much kind of They're just familiar with death and violence and stuff like that.

00:11:13.000 Mustang, he goes out, I don't know, every week and goes to organize fights, just like street fights, and just beats the hell out of random people.

00:11:23.000 That, to me, is like...

00:11:25.000 So beyond me because I'm still an English boy.

00:11:27.000 So he does those organized street fights where they like five guys take on five guys?

00:11:30.000 Just like big groups.

00:11:31.000 I've seen those, yeah.

00:11:32.000 He does that, and I was like, what?

00:11:35.000 So he just does everything crazy.

00:11:36.000 Yeah.

00:11:37.000 Wow.

00:11:38.000 Yeah.

00:11:39.000 Whoa.

00:11:40.000 And he just does it all for the thrill?

00:11:42.000 Yeah, I think so.

00:11:43.000 Damn.

00:11:44.000 What a weird way to live.

00:11:47.000 I know.

00:11:47.000 It's a weird way to have your brain wired.

00:11:49.000 It was such an interesting kind of insight when I was there to...

00:11:53.000 People like that.

00:11:54.000 So how do you make contact with these guys?

00:11:56.000 Do you speak Ukraine or whatever they speak over there?

00:11:59.000 Russian?

00:11:59.000 What do they speak?

00:12:00.000 Both usually.

00:12:01.000 What is it?

00:12:02.000 Both.

00:12:02.000 Ukraine and Russian, yeah.

00:12:05.000 So it was organized for me to go meet him for the TV show I did in the UK and that was...

00:12:10.000 A part of that show was me going to Ukraine to meet somebody else that did similar things.

00:12:14.000 And that was why I met him.

00:12:16.000 So they somehow or another got in contact with him through his YouTube videos or something along those lines?

00:12:20.000 Wow, what a strange world we live in now, you know?

00:12:22.000 Yeah.

00:12:23.000 You can go to that place and risk your life with a bunch of other crazy people.

00:12:26.000 Yeah, it's nuts.

00:12:27.000 It's cool.

00:12:29.000 I guess, yeah.

00:12:30.000 Now, what has it been like for you to become famous for being like this crazy risk taker?

00:12:37.000 I wouldn't say I'm, like, super famous.

00:12:39.000 You're pretty famous.

00:12:39.000 I know who you are.

00:12:40.000 I told my friends.

00:12:41.000 They're like, oh, that dude's crazy.

00:12:43.000 I mean, how many millions of hits do your videos have?

00:12:45.000 Fucking millions, man.

00:12:46.000 I've got a bunch of million videos, yeah.

00:12:49.000 That's famous, man.

00:12:50.000 That's what's called famous.

00:12:51.000 Yeah.

00:12:52.000 Right?

00:12:52.000 Unless it's one dude who's watching it over and over again.

00:12:54.000 That's just my mum.

00:12:57.000 Mum, my boy, he's alive!

00:12:59.000 That's cool.

00:13:00.000 I don't know.

00:13:01.000 It's a bit weird?

00:13:02.000 It's weird, yeah.

00:13:02.000 Like, you're famous.

00:13:03.000 Yeah.

00:13:04.000 I guess it's the same as that, but on a much smaller scale.

00:13:08.000 Yeah, but you're famous for doing, like, risk-taking.

00:13:10.000 I'm just famous for talking shit.

00:13:13.000 Yeah.

00:13:13.000 It's easy to talk shit.

00:13:16.000 You just have to say funny things or be ridiculous.

00:13:19.000 But you're famous for, like, literally doing something that makes people shit their pants when they look at a video of it.

00:13:24.000 I look at videos of the stuff you do, and I start, Jamie will tell you, I start squeezing, I'm like...

00:13:30.000 I go, oh, what the fuck is he doing?

00:13:33.000 I don't, you know, I don't have any desire to do what you're doing.

00:13:37.000 That's why my dream about Alex, about climbing with Alex, like, here's one.

00:13:40.000 Yeah, this is the first one.

00:13:41.000 So this was the first big one I ever released.

00:13:44.000 What year was this?

00:13:45.000 This video literally changed my life.

00:13:47.000 Wow.

00:13:47.000 What are we in now?

00:13:48.000 2016. That's three years ago.

00:13:50.000 Three years ago, yeah.

00:13:51.000 You're climbing over some water.

00:13:52.000 Was this the first time you had done something like this?

00:13:54.000 No, so I'd done a couple other ones, but this was the biggest, and this was like the first big one that I'd hung off.

00:14:01.000 Goddamn, dude.

00:14:03.000 It's funny because I live just next to that now, which is really cool.

00:14:07.000 Oh, wow.

00:14:08.000 Dude, if you fell, that would not be good.

00:14:09.000 No.

00:14:10.000 Even into water.

00:14:11.000 Oh, look at this.

00:14:11.000 People are like, oh, it's just the water.

00:14:13.000 You'd survive.

00:14:13.000 You're doing chin-ups.

00:14:14.000 Oh, you're dead.

00:14:15.000 You're out of your fucking mind, man.

00:14:17.000 What are you doing, dude?

00:14:19.000 What were you thinking right now when you're hanging above that water?

00:14:22.000 First of all, are your hands sweaty?

00:14:24.000 No, my hands sweat when I'm not doing anything, but when I'm doing this stuff...

00:14:28.000 Who's filming you right now?

00:14:30.000 So my friend, Simon, was up there with me, and another friend, Doug, was there too.

00:14:34.000 What do you think Simon and Doug would do if you fell?

00:14:36.000 Would they just hurry up real down and...

00:14:37.000 Oh Jesus, you're going one-handed!

00:14:40.000 You motherfucker, dude!

00:14:42.000 Like, what are you thinking while you're doing this?

00:14:45.000 You know what, just like Alex Honnold said, there's not much going on.

00:14:48.000 It's just me in that moment.

00:14:50.000 But there is, because it's the first time you've done it.

00:14:53.000 Thinking about what you're going to eat for breakfast.

00:14:56.000 You know what, most of the time when you get to a situation where you're about to do something that you've never done before and you kind of, naturally your brain kind of hypes it up and makes it seem a lot worse than what it actually is and then you do it and you're like, why the fuck was I scared of that?

00:15:09.000 That was exactly the same.

00:15:10.000 Well, you were scared of that because if you fell, you're fucking dead.

00:15:14.000 Yeah.

00:15:15.000 I mean, it's not rocket science.

00:15:17.000 That's a thick pole you're hanging on, too.

00:15:18.000 Yeah, but hanging's easy.

00:15:19.000 It's not like a small pole.

00:15:20.000 Hanging's, like, super easy.

00:15:20.000 Can you do a one-arm chin-up?

00:15:22.000 No.

00:15:22.000 I'm not, like, particularly strong.

00:15:25.000 Oh, fucking Christ, dude.

00:15:26.000 At all.

00:15:26.000 Please work on that.

00:15:28.000 You should be able to do a one-arm chin-up.

00:15:29.000 I've got, like, massive limbs, man.

00:15:31.000 It's not easy to do one-arm chins when you're this big.

00:15:34.000 But there's got to be some CrossFit guys that can do it.

00:15:36.000 Yeah.

00:15:36.000 I feel like strength isn't in my genes.

00:15:39.000 No?

00:15:39.000 I just don't have it.

00:15:40.000 You definitely have some strength.

00:15:41.000 You were hanging from your fucking...

00:15:43.000 How long did you hang for?

00:15:45.000 So I hung three times, probably like 30 seconds each time.

00:15:48.000 It's hard to hang 30 seconds.

00:15:50.000 30 seconds is tough.

00:15:51.000 It's not when normal stuff is swinging around and all that stuff.

00:15:56.000 It's quite easy.

00:15:57.000 But most people overestimate the amount of time they can hang.

00:15:59.000 Yeah.

00:16:01.000 We had this thing on Fear Factor where people had to hold on to a bar and hang over a river, and girls beat the guys.

00:16:09.000 Yeah, interesting because girls don't weigh as much.

00:16:11.000 So the girls, you know, they would be like 110 pounds.

00:16:14.000 They'd be able to hang on for a couple minutes, whereas the guys at about a minute and a half, they were all dropping off.

00:16:19.000 Yeah.

00:16:20.000 Yeah.

00:16:20.000 Interesting.

00:16:21.000 I weigh 200 pounds.

00:16:22.000 That's a lot of weight to carry around in your hands.

00:16:24.000 Yeah, but I'm a bit fat at the moment.

00:16:26.000 I don't know how you could possibly allow yourself to get fat when you're jumping across.

00:16:30.000 I think every ounce is important.

00:16:33.000 Backpackers lose weight.

00:16:34.000 They don't have as much body weight to carry around.

00:16:37.000 I need to lose it.

00:16:38.000 I need to sort my life out.

00:16:40.000 You're doing crazy shit.

00:16:42.000 So this is like what you do professionally now, right?

00:16:46.000 Mm-hmm.

00:16:47.000 How does that work?

00:16:50.000 Like what is a normal day?

00:16:52.000 A normal day.

00:16:54.000 Yeah.

00:16:55.000 Do you go out, jump over a building?

00:16:56.000 Not particularly exciting, you know, the normal day.

00:16:58.000 I do a lot of work behind the scenes, just editing and emails and just boring stuff that people don't see.

00:17:05.000 Administrative duties.

00:17:06.000 Exactly, yeah.

00:17:06.000 It has to be done.

00:17:07.000 But it just works the same as any other online influencer.

00:17:10.000 You get a big following, opportunities come your way, and if you do something like that that's a bit different and a bit...

00:17:17.000 I guess crazy to most people, even cooler opportunities coming away.

00:17:21.000 That's it.

00:17:22.000 Right.

00:17:22.000 You've got YouTube money, you've got like merchandise on my website, you've got sponsored videos and sponsors.

00:17:28.000 That's it, really.

00:17:29.000 So you work directly with sponsors?

00:17:31.000 You have like an agent or a manager?

00:17:33.000 Yeah, I've got a manager, yeah.

00:17:34.000 That's hilarious.

00:17:35.000 Kid, you're going places.

00:17:36.000 Yeah.

00:17:37.000 You're smoking a big cigar.

00:17:38.000 Listen, we're going to have to take it to the next level.

00:17:40.000 Can you walk on your hands?

00:17:41.000 Can you walk on your hands on top of the Russians?

00:17:43.000 The Russians are walking on their hands.

00:17:45.000 I can't beat the Russians, man.

00:17:46.000 You can't?

00:17:47.000 Nah.

00:17:47.000 They go too crazy.

00:17:48.000 How many of them die?

00:17:51.000 A lot, I think.

00:17:52.000 There's a few videos floating around of people falling off cranes and shit.

00:17:56.000 Oh, really?

00:17:56.000 But it's super, like, ugh.

00:17:58.000 That's not good.

00:17:59.000 It's not nice to look at, yeah.

00:18:00.000 Have you seen any of those videos?

00:18:01.000 No, I haven't seen any of those videos.

00:18:02.000 You don't want to see them.

00:18:03.000 Well, the wingsuit guy flying into the bridge the other day, I thought I didn't want to see it, but then I watched it six times in a row.

00:18:09.000 But it blacks out before he hits, right?

00:18:11.000 Oh, no.

00:18:12.000 Have you found the...

00:18:13.000 Oh, yes.

00:18:14.000 Oh, man.

00:18:14.000 Oh, you see him bounce off the bridge, and it sounds like a car accident.

00:18:19.000 It's a bang sound.

00:18:21.000 I've heard the bang, but I haven't seen it.

00:18:23.000 I don't know why I didn't expect the bang, but it sounds like a car accident.

00:18:26.000 Yeah.

00:18:28.000 It's fucked up.

00:18:29.000 It's the screams afterwards that get me.

00:18:31.000 Yeah, it's all bad.

00:18:32.000 Yeah.

00:18:33.000 All of it's bad.

00:18:33.000 The people going, oh my.

00:18:35.000 But that is half of the reason why these people are watching, is the possibility that that could happen, even though they don't want it to happen, that accentuates the thrill.

00:18:45.000 It's a strange thing, isn't it?

00:18:46.000 Because I hate watching stuff like that, but there's something in me that's like...

00:18:49.000 I can't not click it.

00:18:51.000 How could you say you hate watching stuff like that because you do daredevil videos?

00:18:56.000 I mean, I hate watching people die.

00:18:58.000 Yes.

00:18:58.000 Oh, I understand that.

00:18:59.000 Yeah.

00:18:59.000 But do you like watching people live?

00:19:03.000 Do you like watching people take risks and live?

00:19:04.000 Or do you go, oh, Jesus.

00:19:06.000 I don't really watch that much stuff.

00:19:09.000 So you just do it?

00:19:10.000 I just do stuff, yeah.

00:19:12.000 Interesting.

00:19:12.000 So do you look at the competitors?

00:19:15.000 Is there a bunch of you that are pushing the boundaries and you're like, huh?

00:19:18.000 Nah, I literally have no interest in beating other people or making something better or more dangerous than other people.

00:19:26.000 I have no interest in that.

00:19:27.000 I'm doing it because I love it.

00:19:28.000 And I love making videos.

00:19:29.000 Did you see those guys that were walking on their hands, and they were doing flips, and then they were doing hoverboards on the edge of this building?

00:19:37.000 Yeah.

00:19:37.000 That one I have a real problem with.

00:19:39.000 Yeah, it's rough.

00:19:39.000 Because I've been on hoverboards before, and sometimes you fall off.

00:19:43.000 Sometimes they fuck up.

00:19:44.000 Sometimes they stop working.

00:19:46.000 Sometimes shit goes wrong.

00:19:47.000 Like, you're trusting some cheaply made Chinese hunk of shit.

00:19:52.000 Ah, Jesus!

00:19:53.000 Oh, you fucks!

00:19:55.000 I can't- Oh, he's spinning around in circles!

00:19:57.000 This bothers me so much.

00:20:00.000 And he's like literally like getting to the edge and spinning around.

00:20:05.000 I mean, inches from fucking certain depth and moving quite quickly, by the way.

00:20:10.000 I mean, I don't think it's that bad.

00:20:12.000 Shut the fuck up, of course it's bad.

00:20:14.000 I've been in one of those and it's quite easy.

00:20:16.000 Shut it off, Jamie!

00:20:17.000 He's got his hands!

00:20:18.000 He's on his hands, dude!

00:20:19.000 He's standing on his hands on a fucking hoverboard on a building on the top of the world.

00:20:23.000 Fuck you.

00:20:24.000 He's crazy.

00:20:25.000 These people are crazy.

00:20:26.000 Look, my hands are soaking wet.

00:20:28.000 Russian.

00:20:29.000 Yeah.

00:20:30.000 They're different folk, right?

00:20:31.000 Yeah, and they're their own species.

00:20:34.000 Yeah, they're definitely wild folk.

00:20:36.000 Just the ability to do that and this new thing that we have now where you can take videos of it and just upload it instantly.

00:20:43.000 You don't have to have any sort of a network or anything that approves it.

00:20:48.000 You put up your own thing and then boom, all of a sudden you're like, you're a one-man show.

00:20:53.000 You know what, that's like the most amazing thing about YouTube is it's like, Everybody has a job on YouTube.

00:20:59.000 Anybody can go on YouTube, upload stuff, get paid for it, right?

00:21:02.000 That's just so cool.

00:21:03.000 And then if you make good stuff that's inspiring people or people enjoy...

00:21:07.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

00:21:10.000 It's so cool.

00:21:10.000 It's very strange, right?

00:21:12.000 It's a completely new world that I don't think anybody anticipated that we're going to have individual content providers who are essentially going to be like their own network.

00:21:19.000 Yeah.

00:21:20.000 Now, what kind of an obligation do you have to the people that are watching your show?

00:21:24.000 How often do you post stuff?

00:21:27.000 I have no, like, set schedule.

00:21:29.000 I probably should.

00:21:31.000 I feel like I'd grow a lot more if I had set things.

00:21:33.000 Like, the more I upload, the more I grow, and that's just how it works.

00:21:36.000 How often can you do that kind of stuff?

00:21:38.000 I can't go out and climb stuff every day, you know?

00:21:39.000 It's not that simple.

00:21:40.000 So how many days a week?

00:21:43.000 A good month, in terms of, like, video uploads.

00:21:47.000 Would be like three, three or four videos.

00:21:51.000 One a week is like good for me.

00:21:53.000 That's interesting.

00:21:53.000 Yeah.

00:21:54.000 Because some people...

00:21:55.000 I'm trying to up it.

00:21:56.000 I'm trying to do better, but...

00:21:57.000 But it's hard though, right?

00:21:58.000 It's difficult, yeah.

00:21:59.000 Just given the nature of what you do.

00:22:01.000 And I live in the UK most of the time, and the weather there is just like pants.

00:22:06.000 Yeah, you can't be hanging when it's raining out, right?

00:22:08.000 No.

00:22:09.000 And it's always raining.

00:22:10.000 Oh, fuck that.

00:22:12.000 Oh, you get up there and there's dew, but your friends are there with the camera.

00:22:15.000 You're like, let's towel it off.

00:22:17.000 I've had a few dewy situations.

00:22:20.000 Oh, fuck that.

00:22:20.000 And you climb and it's normal, and then when you get to the top, that's what it's like.

00:22:24.000 Where did this wetness come from?

00:22:26.000 Oh my god.

00:22:27.000 Why don't you put that sticky shit on your hands like football players use?

00:22:30.000 Football?

00:22:30.000 American football?

00:22:31.000 Sticky shit?

00:22:32.000 Like chalk?

00:22:33.000 No, it's like tar.

00:22:35.000 Like glue.

00:22:35.000 They spray glue on their hands.

00:22:37.000 Like stick em.

00:22:37.000 Stick em?

00:22:38.000 Is that what it's called?

00:22:38.000 Yeah.

00:22:39.000 Spray some shit on your hands.

00:22:40.000 Make some sticky.

00:22:41.000 Like, hmm.

00:22:43.000 Thinking to take it into the next level with the sticky shit.

00:22:46.000 But then imagine if you're like hanging and you just can't get off.

00:22:48.000 Strippers use it too, allegedly.

00:22:50.000 There was some stuff that you could buy that you would put on, I think they spray on their legs, so they could cling on to bars better in their hands.

00:23:01.000 Yeah.

00:23:01.000 Yeah, it makes sense.

00:23:02.000 It also helps not getting like calluses and stuff.

00:23:05.000 Oh, that makes sense.

00:23:06.000 No, that doesn't make sense because you think like you'd want it to be lubricated then.

00:23:10.000 I mean like...

00:23:11.000 When they start to, like, get sore and blister.

00:23:15.000 If I use chalk, I don't get that.

00:23:17.000 Because they either rip off or they stay.

00:23:19.000 Yeah, I use chalk.

00:23:20.000 I use chalk for weightlifting and stuff like that.

00:23:22.000 I sweat a lot, though.

00:23:23.000 I have really sweaty hands for whatever reason.

00:23:25.000 I'm just a sweaty fuck.

00:23:26.000 So when I watch your videos, I start sweating, man.

00:23:29.000 I start freaking out.

00:23:31.000 Change of clothes.

00:23:31.000 Yeah.

00:23:32.000 Like when I used to play pool, I've always found it really hard to use a pool cue that doesn't have a wrap on it.

00:23:38.000 You know what I mean?

00:23:39.000 Yeah.

00:23:39.000 And like if it's just a piece of wood that had like a polish or a finish on it.

00:23:44.000 So what I would do is I would get that stripper stuff and I'd put it on my hands and that way allows you to like gently hold on to the pool cue.

00:23:51.000 This sounds so dorky.

00:23:53.000 But this stuff, unfortunately, though, gets on your hands and then you can transfer it to the balls and it makes the balls stick to each other.

00:23:59.000 It's not good.

00:23:59.000 Not good.

00:24:00.000 So that's my knowledge of stripper gooky stuff that you can hang on with.

00:24:05.000 It's not stick-em, though.

00:24:06.000 It's probably something similar.

00:24:07.000 But there's also a product that I've used called Dry Hands that's like antiperspirant for your hands.

00:24:14.000 Yeah?

00:24:15.000 Yeah, I found out about this because I tried just antiperspirant.

00:24:17.000 Isn't that like liquid chalk?

00:24:18.000 Have you seen that stuff?

00:24:19.000 No, it's not.

00:24:19.000 It's just like, comes out like a suntan lotion.

00:24:23.000 Ah.

00:24:23.000 And then it just rubs in and kind of dries out and makes them pretty sticky.

00:24:27.000 Ooh, I haven't heard of that.

00:24:28.000 Liquid chalk.

00:24:28.000 I bet it's the same thing.

00:24:29.000 Yeah.

00:24:30.000 Yeah, it's essentially, somehow or another, they've figured out a way to stop you from sweating if they spray some stuff on you.

00:24:36.000 That's what antiperspirant is.

00:24:38.000 That's a big thing that people like, right?

00:24:39.000 They like to not sweat in their underarms.

00:24:41.000 Yeah.

00:24:41.000 Disgusting.

00:24:42.000 Yeah.

00:24:43.000 Fuck, man.

00:24:44.000 I really have a hard time just watching these videos.

00:24:47.000 I can't imagine if this is like the world that you've, you know, I mean, this is the path you've chosen.

00:24:52.000 You're one of the top guys in this madness.

00:24:58.000 I guess.

00:24:59.000 Yeah, you are.

00:25:00.000 Not for me to say.

00:25:02.000 No, but I don't mean in terms of ranking.

00:25:04.000 I'm just saying that it's a crazy path to take with your life.

00:25:07.000 It's unusual, yeah.

00:25:08.000 Yeah, it's unusual.

00:25:10.000 But I've never fit into just the normal world.

00:25:15.000 I hated school.

00:25:16.000 I ended up quitting school fairly early.

00:25:18.000 No qualifications, nothing.

00:25:20.000 How old were you when you quit school?

00:25:22.000 I can't remember the ages, but it was like...

00:25:25.000 What do you have here?

00:25:26.000 You have high school and then you have...

00:25:28.000 College.

00:25:29.000 College.

00:25:29.000 Yeah.

00:25:30.000 So high school, I quit like two years before the end.

00:25:33.000 I think I was like 13, 14. Wow.

00:25:36.000 You're like done.

00:25:37.000 Yeah.

00:25:37.000 Fuck this.

00:25:38.000 I was so done.

00:25:39.000 Really?

00:25:39.000 Yeah.

00:25:39.000 Did your parents get mad?

00:25:40.000 Yeah.

00:25:41.000 You're like, don't worry mom, I climbed trees and shit.

00:25:43.000 Yeah, I put my mom through a lot of shit when I was a kid.

00:25:46.000 How old are you now?

00:25:48.000 26. So you started off this stuff really early.

00:25:51.000 So at 22, you're out there filming these fucking crazy adventures.

00:25:57.000 Yeah.

00:25:57.000 What did your parents think then?

00:26:00.000 Well, I started a little bit of filming just the parkour stuff, maybe in like 2000...

00:26:06.000 What are we in now?

00:26:08.000 When I was 17, 18 was when I think I first made a video.

00:26:11.000 And it was me just jumping between railings and small stuff, you know, safe stuff.

00:26:17.000 Mom's like, oh, that's nice.

00:26:18.000 And now, I remember when I first showed her that, she was just like...

00:26:23.000 I think she hit me around the back of the head.

00:26:24.000 How old were you when you showed her the video of you hanging from the crane?

00:26:29.000 When I released it, three years ago.

00:26:31.000 Right away?

00:26:31.000 Yeah.

00:26:32.000 Like, when you're like, check this out, Mom.

00:26:34.000 I never show her...

00:26:35.000 She doesn't really know about things until the video's done and it's uploaded.

00:26:40.000 That's a good move.

00:26:40.000 And she's like, what the fuck?

00:26:41.000 Yeah.

00:26:42.000 So what did she say to you when she saw that, besides hitting you?

00:26:44.000 Did she ever sit down with you?

00:26:45.000 She never hits me.

00:26:46.000 She was just like...

00:26:47.000 I think she was just...

00:26:48.000 Freaked out?

00:26:49.000 Blown away, yeah.

00:26:50.000 But I don't know.

00:26:51.000 I can't remember.

00:26:52.000 It wasn't, like, encouraging words.

00:26:55.000 It was like, what are you doing?

00:26:57.000 Right.

00:26:57.000 Why are you doing this?

00:26:58.000 And do you remember what you said?

00:27:01.000 Not really.

00:27:02.000 I usually just say the same thing.

00:27:04.000 I enjoy it.

00:27:04.000 Just enjoy it.

00:27:05.000 That's it.

00:27:08.000 Now, is there any legal repercussions to doing something like that?

00:27:12.000 Has anybody ever gotten mad at you?

00:27:15.000 Yeah.

00:27:16.000 In the UK, there's not really because it's trespass, right?

00:27:19.000 And there's no criminal damage or anything.

00:27:22.000 Trespass in the UK isn't a criminal offense.

00:27:24.000 It's a civil offense.

00:27:24.000 So I can only get in trouble for it if the owner of the property...

00:27:29.000 For some reason wants to take me to court.

00:27:32.000 I'm sweating like a pig over here thinking of you hanging from that bar over that water.

00:27:36.000 I'm fucking sweating.

00:27:37.000 My hands are sweating.

00:27:38.000 My feet are sweating.

00:27:43.000 I'm sorry I interrupted you, but so it's just a civil offense?

00:27:46.000 Yeah, in the UK it's just a civil offense.

00:27:48.000 And if they catch you, what does that mean?

00:27:49.000 Like you have to pay a fine or something?

00:27:51.000 The people that catch me is usually just the police.

00:27:54.000 Somebody sees me, calls the police.

00:27:56.000 The police come and they say, what are you doing?

00:27:58.000 Try to kind of tell me off and then send me on my way.

00:28:02.000 Because there's nothing they can do, which is good for me.

00:28:05.000 What is this, Jamie?

00:28:06.000 He's climbing a tower guard.

00:28:07.000 There's a guy up there, right?

00:28:09.000 Yeah, so this is the tallest thing I've ever climbed, right?

00:28:13.000 So you get up there, and there's a dude up there.

00:28:15.000 Yeah, so I went up, and then about ten minutes after I got to the top, the crane starts powering up, like spinning and shit.

00:28:22.000 And I'm like, what the hell's going on?

00:28:24.000 Has somebody got a remote for this crane?

00:28:26.000 So I climb back down from the...

00:28:28.000 It's one of these, right?

00:28:29.000 So there's a little kind of thing here, and then that's the main arm.

00:28:32.000 Okay.

00:28:33.000 So I climb down from the backside, and then he's in his little room.

00:28:37.000 Doing his crane-y stuff.

00:28:38.000 And so you're still climbing, even though you know this thing's gonna move.

00:28:42.000 So I spoke to him.

00:28:42.000 And he said, hey brother.

00:28:43.000 I had a little conversation and I was like, can I climb this crane?

00:28:47.000 And then I was like, can you just like leave the crane still, lock it off for like 10 minutes while I do it?

00:28:54.000 Because I've come all this way.

00:28:55.000 And what did he say?

00:28:56.000 And he was like, yes, okay.

00:28:58.000 Wow, what a nice guy.

00:28:59.000 Yeah, I know.

00:29:00.000 And there's people down the bottom.

00:29:01.000 This is in Dubai?

00:29:02.000 This is in Dubai, the marina, yeah.

00:29:04.000 It's really cool.

00:29:05.000 I love Dubai, man.

00:29:06.000 Now, when you're doing this and you're climbing, were you worried about being arrested?

00:29:10.000 Because if you get arrested in Dubai, that's no joke.

00:29:12.000 Yeah, so they say.

00:29:14.000 I don't know.

00:29:15.000 Dubai's a funny one.

00:29:16.000 I feel like they've got bigger fish to fry and they're kind of dealing with actual serious stuff.

00:29:22.000 What happened when I got down, I had to sit with all the site managers and everything for a few hours.

00:29:29.000 And the main site manager said, if they phone the police, they'll all lose their jobs.

00:29:37.000 So that's kind of how it works.

00:29:39.000 Oh, okay.

00:29:40.000 So usually they just beat the fuck out of you and tell you don't come back?

00:29:43.000 They don't, no.

00:29:44.000 Never.

00:29:45.000 No, but I mean, I'm joking, but they can't be happy that you're doing this, right?

00:29:50.000 They weren't, but they also were because it just blew their minds.

00:29:53.000 Oh, I see.

00:29:54.000 Every time it's the same.

00:29:54.000 They're like, you shouldn't be doing this.

00:29:56.000 They try to tell me off.

00:29:57.000 And then when it comes to me leaving, they're like, can we take a picture with you?

00:30:03.000 Every time.

00:30:04.000 You're so high up here, man.

00:30:05.000 How high are you up here right now?

00:30:07.000 This is 450 meters.

00:30:10.000 What in the fuck, dude?

00:30:11.000 I'm just thinking of 450 feet is ridiculous.

00:30:15.000 450 meters, that's insanity.

00:30:17.000 The one over the water was only 300 feet, so this is like four times, over four times the size.

00:30:25.000 It would take you a long time to hit the ground.

00:30:27.000 Yeah.

00:30:29.000 It would.

00:30:30.000 So while you're climbing up here, what is going through your mind?

00:30:33.000 Are you just being careful and watching your step?

00:30:36.000 Yeah, so this one was really greasy.

00:30:38.000 It'd been there for two years, I think the driver said.

00:30:42.000 And it was just coated in grease and dust on the air.

00:30:46.000 Fuck.

00:30:47.000 It was like climbing it like somebody had just smothered it in margarine.

00:30:52.000 Oh my god.

00:30:53.000 Which is why I'm going slow and I'm getting my feet in the right place.

00:30:56.000 So the feet part is slippery too?

00:30:58.000 Everything is like butter, yeah.

00:31:00.000 Jesus Christ, man.

00:31:03.000 James, James, James, James, James.

00:31:05.000 So you get up to the top.

00:31:06.000 Please tell me you don't hang from the top of this.

00:31:08.000 I wanted to, but it was just way too slippery, yeah.

00:31:11.000 Oh, fuck.

00:31:12.000 It was horrible.

00:31:12.000 So you made a judgment call while you're there?

00:31:15.000 Yeah.

00:31:16.000 This is such a mindfuck.

00:31:18.000 Good lord, you're up.

00:31:19.000 By the way, how awesome is Dubai?

00:31:21.000 It's incredible.

00:31:21.000 I love it.

00:31:22.000 What a crazy city.

00:31:24.000 Yeah.

00:31:24.000 That didn't exist just a few decades ago.

00:31:27.000 It's so cool, man.

00:31:28.000 It's one of my favorite places.

00:31:29.000 Mainly because you can do stuff like this.

00:31:31.000 Ah!

00:31:32.000 What do you do when you get up to the top?

00:31:33.000 Do you just throw your hands up like I'm the king of the world?

00:31:36.000 Yeah, sometimes.

00:31:37.000 Do you ever jerk off up there?

00:31:39.000 No.

00:31:40.000 That'd be a feat.

00:31:42.000 There's a light up there in case a fucking plane hits it.

00:31:45.000 That's how high you are.

00:31:46.000 That's how high it is.

00:31:49.000 It's so hard to watch.

00:31:51.000 So how many hours did it take you to get up there?

00:31:53.000 Or how long did it take you?

00:31:55.000 I think this took two hours, but it was like...

00:31:58.000 So the beginning was, I got there at like 3.30 in the morning.

00:32:03.000 And in Dubai they start work at like 3.30 or 4 o'clock because it's cooler.

00:32:08.000 And there's just like hundreds and hundreds of these dudes stood outside the entrance to the site.

00:32:14.000 So I'm like, how the hell am I going to get into this place?

00:32:16.000 And is it dark when this is all going on?

00:32:17.000 It was pitch black, yeah.

00:32:19.000 And I managed to find, like, a little corner that I could sneak in and then sneak over the fence.

00:32:25.000 And there's people everywhere.

00:32:26.000 And I don't know how I managed to get in without them seeing me.

00:32:29.000 And then as soon as I dropped down, I just dropped to the floor and then crawled across the floor between, like, these scaffolding bars and stuff like that.

00:32:35.000 Some Tom Cruise Mission Impossible type shit.

00:32:38.000 Yeah, I've had some, like, cool situations, man.

00:32:40.000 Some really fun stuff.

00:32:41.000 And then I get to the bottom of the crane.

00:32:44.000 So the idea is I get to the crane, I climb up, like...

00:32:48.000 A bit of the crane and then I get into the building.

00:32:50.000 That's the easiest way in usually.

00:32:52.000 Because to climb the crane for 450 meters is just like insane.

00:32:56.000 Especially in that heat.

00:32:58.000 It's a killer.

00:32:59.000 And I had like just one of these.

00:33:01.000 One bottle of water is holding up.

00:33:02.000 So it takes you a couple hours and you're going through the building first.

00:33:07.000 Yeah.

00:33:07.000 So it took me a while to get up the crane and then in because I've got a backpack and it's hot and it's like dry and it's hard to breathe.

00:33:14.000 Wow.

00:33:15.000 Yeah, it was the wrong time of the year to do it really.

00:33:18.000 And then I get in and then it's just stairs and stairs and stairs.

00:33:22.000 That's crazy that you get there at 3.30 and everybody's just showing up for work too.

00:33:25.000 So they work 3.30 until like early morning and then they quit?

00:33:29.000 They seem to work non-stop, those guys.

00:33:32.000 I don't know how they do it.

00:33:33.000 It's not good.

00:33:33.000 And they're probably paid like two bucks a day or something.

00:33:36.000 Yeah, there was a whole vice special on it about some of the more unscrupulous builders out there.

00:33:42.000 What they do is they go to third world countries.

00:33:44.000 They promise these people a certain amount of money and then they bring them over to...

00:33:49.000 A better life, yeah.

00:33:49.000 Yeah, then they're going to be able to send money home and change their family's lives.

00:33:52.000 So they go there and take these jobs and they take their passports away.

00:33:55.000 They give them a fraction of what they were offered and then they live in squalor.

00:34:00.000 I think I've seen it.

00:34:01.000 They live out in the middle of nowhere and they all have these shared showers and toilets.

00:34:05.000 Toilets like a hole in the ground.

00:34:07.000 It was awful.

00:34:09.000 That's how you get a city built that quick.

00:34:15.000 It's scary.

00:34:17.000 But as a completed entity, as a thing, it's pretty impressive.

00:34:23.000 Yeah.

00:34:24.000 You know, as a city.

00:34:26.000 It's amazing, yeah.

00:34:27.000 It's one of the coolest cities I've ever been.

00:34:29.000 Yeah.

00:34:30.000 They're just pushing, you know, they're just leveling up all the time.

00:34:33.000 Have you seen the new big, what's it called?

00:34:37.000 Like the London Eye.

00:34:38.000 They're building a London Eye in Dubai, in the marina, and it's like so much bigger.

00:34:45.000 What is a London Eye?

00:34:47.000 Have you been to London?

00:34:48.000 Yes.

00:34:49.000 Ferris wheel.

00:34:49.000 Oh, the Ferris wheel.

00:34:51.000 That's what it's called, the London Eye?

00:34:52.000 London Eye, yeah.

00:34:53.000 But they're building a bigger one?

00:34:54.000 They're building that times like five or something ridiculous, yeah.

00:34:57.000 Yeah, I've been by that.

00:34:59.000 I haven't been on it.

00:35:00.000 Yeah.

00:35:01.000 Been on the one in Seattle.

00:35:04.000 I want to go there.

00:35:05.000 I want to go there.

00:35:07.000 Around Christmas when it's cooler and see if I can get.

00:35:10.000 690 foot high Dubai Eye will be the world's largest Ferris wheel upon completion in 2015, it says.

00:35:17.000 It's not finished.

00:35:18.000 Those motherfuckers.

00:35:20.000 Unions.

00:35:20.000 Last time I saw it, it was just the...

00:35:23.000 You need to get more slaves.

00:35:24.000 You need to kidnap more people.

00:35:25.000 Get them to work.

00:35:29.000 When you get on a Ferris wheel now, do you go to Disneyland and be like, what kind of bullshit is this?

00:35:34.000 The last time I went to Disneyland was here, and I went, I think, two years ago.

00:35:38.000 And yeah, I was like...

00:35:39.000 You'll be like, ooh, Space Mountain, ooh, Tower of Terror.

00:35:42.000 I think Space Mountain was the best one.

00:35:44.000 It's pretty badass.

00:35:44.000 Yeah.

00:35:45.000 It's even better now because it's like Star Wars themed.

00:35:48.000 Is it?

00:35:48.000 Yeah.

00:35:50.000 I don't know if it's permanently Star Wars themed.

00:35:52.000 It's going to be Guardians of the Galaxy.

00:35:53.000 Oh.

00:35:54.000 They just closed it or brought to.

00:35:55.000 Oh.

00:35:56.000 Yeah, they add graphics and stuff like that.

00:36:00.000 Spice it up a bit.

00:36:01.000 I like the old teacups.

00:36:03.000 Yeah, those are fun.

00:36:04.000 They're fun, yeah.

00:36:05.000 But for a guy like you, who experiences real life and death fears, that Disneyland shit's got to be boring as hell, man.

00:36:13.000 Yeah, it's pretty boring.

00:36:14.000 It's pretty boring, but it's like something you've got to do once in your life, right?

00:36:17.000 I bought like a little Mickey Mouse and...

00:36:19.000 There's an adult version out here.

00:36:21.000 You've got to go to Six Flags.

00:36:22.000 Six Flags, yeah.

00:36:23.000 What's the one that's opposite California something that's right next to Disneyland?

00:36:28.000 Oh, California Adventure.

00:36:30.000 Yeah, that's just a little...

00:36:31.000 That was good.

00:36:31.000 Yeah, that's really good.

00:36:32.000 I feel like the rides were better.

00:36:33.000 Well, they're more adult-oriented, but they have a bunch of kids' rides there, too.

00:36:39.000 Six Flags is way more...

00:36:41.000 Some of their roller coasters are just fucking ridiculous.

00:36:44.000 Big time.

00:36:44.000 They're way crazier.

00:36:46.000 Way crazier.

00:36:47.000 But it's a different thing.

00:36:49.000 It's more like older people.

00:36:51.000 It's more like high school age and up.

00:36:54.000 Versus Disneyland is really fun for little kids.

00:36:57.000 Six Flags, a lot of shit is not even designed for little kids.

00:37:01.000 Yeah.

00:37:02.000 Some of those ones where you go upside down, some of the rollercoaster ones, the same one, what is it, X Factor or something like that?

00:37:08.000 X something or another?

00:37:09.000 I should go while I'm here.

00:37:11.000 It's a good one.

00:37:12.000 It's exciting.

00:37:13.000 But just thinking, to a guy like you, that kind of excitement is probably really bland.

00:37:19.000 Yeah, but like I said before, because it's not in my control, it still kind of gets me a bit...

00:37:23.000 Right, of course.

00:37:24.000 So it's good.

00:37:25.000 Yeah, it's good.

00:37:27.000 It scares me a bit.

00:37:28.000 Do you think long-term?

00:37:30.000 A little bit.

00:37:32.000 Yeah, a little bit.

00:37:34.000 Do you think long term as far as how long you can do this stuff?

00:37:39.000 Not really, no.

00:37:41.000 That seems to be the thing that people tell me the most.

00:37:45.000 They're like, well, if this is your job now, surely you've got a limited time to it.

00:37:50.000 I'm 26, I would say I've still got another 10 years of good strength, good health in me.

00:37:57.000 I don't know, I think in that time I can build something else up so I don't need to worry about what happens.

00:38:04.000 So, do you want to stay in some form of entertainment?

00:38:10.000 You're kind of like an entertainer, right?

00:38:12.000 What do you consider yourself?

00:38:16.000 I'm sorry to hit you with all this career goal talk.

00:38:18.000 I'm just a dude, but yeah, entertainment is usually what people call me.

00:38:21.000 Right, you're a professional dude?

00:38:23.000 Professional dude, yeah.

00:38:24.000 It's a new distinction.

00:38:27.000 So after I did the TV thing, I really enjoyed it, and I've shot a couple pilots since then for things, and I think I'd just like to have my own TV show.

00:38:38.000 Hmm.

00:38:39.000 Well, doing what?

00:38:40.000 Like, what would you do?

00:38:40.000 Do crazy shit?

00:38:41.000 Well, the idea at the moment that I shot the pilot for is I travel the world meeting other extreme athletes and I try out what they do.

00:38:50.000 And that's, yeah.

00:38:52.000 Good luck getting insurance for that show.

00:38:53.000 I know, yeah.

00:38:54.000 That's going to be a problem.

00:38:55.000 Yeah.

00:38:55.000 You might have to shoot it on your own and sell it to somebody.

00:38:57.000 Yeah.

00:38:58.000 It's a vice.

00:38:58.000 So, like, if, yeah.

00:39:00.000 So if you do something like that and somebody falls, then what do you do?

00:39:04.000 Do you show it?

00:39:06.000 Like if I was there and I filmed it?

00:39:08.000 Yeah.

00:39:09.000 I wouldn't, no.

00:39:10.000 No?

00:39:10.000 What if you show them Fallen and at the end you just put a smiley face?

00:39:14.000 Put an emoji?

00:39:15.000 Rest in peace, lol.

00:39:17.000 LOL. Yeah.

00:39:21.000 If you don't see the actual impact, you just see a smiley face.

00:39:24.000 Maybe a bouncing smiley face.

00:39:26.000 Where they were.

00:39:27.000 Doing, doing, doing.

00:39:29.000 And then you're...

00:39:30.000 That's all, folks.

00:39:32.000 Cut to commercial.

00:39:33.000 By the time you come back, people are thinking about other things already.

00:39:35.000 Their phone's buzzing.

00:39:36.000 People are texting them.

00:39:37.000 They're trying to get laid.

00:39:39.000 Pizza got delivered.

00:39:41.000 They're over it.

00:39:42.000 I wonder, man.

00:39:43.000 What would they tell you?

00:39:45.000 If you were doing something for a production company, do you think they would want to include all that stuff?

00:39:53.000 Yeah.

00:39:54.000 Surely they're not allowed, right?

00:39:55.000 I don't know.

00:39:56.000 I mean, what are they allowed to do and not to do?

00:39:58.000 Have people died on reality shows before?

00:40:00.000 I gotta think they must have.

00:40:02.000 I don't know.

00:40:04.000 Reality shows have been around for quite a long time.

00:40:08.000 But it's the kind of thing that would happen and then they'd...

00:40:12.000 To cut it out.

00:40:12.000 It's not live though, is it?

00:40:13.000 So you can cut it?

00:40:14.000 Yeah, you would cut it out, but everybody would find out.

00:40:17.000 There was a show...

00:40:19.000 The footage always leaks as well.

00:40:20.000 Yeah, there's always something.

00:40:21.000 But there was a show in the early 2000s where these people were doing some sort of a wilderness adventure type show, like a race through the wilderness.

00:40:32.000 They were on rafts or kayaks or something along those lines, on rapids, and a woman got trapped She got wedged in a rock.

00:40:43.000 Her boat capsized wedged, and I think she died.

00:40:46.000 And that was the first one that I had heard of.

00:40:48.000 That was like in the early 2000s.

00:40:49.000 But there's gotta be a bunch of them.

00:40:52.000 Because there's so many shitty reality shows now, too.

00:40:55.000 There's so many production companies that are just...

00:41:00.000 Yeah, people are going to die.

00:41:01.000 Yeah, people must be dying already.

00:41:03.000 But is that something that you think about when you're doing this show?

00:41:07.000 Like if you're hanging out with these crazy Russian cats and they're doing these things, it is a possibility.

00:41:11.000 If you do it a thousand times, there is a possibility that one of those times someone's going to fall.

00:41:17.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:41:19.000 I've been in situations...

00:41:21.000 There was one building in Ukraine where I'm sat...

00:41:24.000 I think you shared this clip where I'm walking across the white beams and there's nothing underneath it.

00:41:31.000 And we both walk out to the edge and then Mustang climbs down and hangs off it.

00:41:35.000 And I'm looking down at him and I'm thinking...

00:41:38.000 I can create the image in my head of him slipping and just disappearing.

00:41:43.000 Yeah, I've had a few moments like that where I've just kind of tried to imagine what it would look like, but...

00:41:49.000 It's not a nice thought.

00:41:51.000 No.

00:41:51.000 It's definitely not a nice thought.

00:41:53.000 No.

00:41:53.000 But that's the whole reason why it's interesting.

00:41:56.000 It's because it's possible.

00:41:58.000 Like if I was doing a video in here of me hanging from a chin-up bar that's only a foot off the ground, nobody would give a shit.

00:42:05.000 Yeah.

00:42:06.000 If I'm there, look everybody, one arm.

00:42:09.000 I'm just like James Kingston.

00:42:10.000 I don't give a fuck.

00:42:11.000 I'm crazy.

00:42:13.000 No, there's a floor below me.

00:42:14.000 Even if I perform the exact same movements that you do, if my life isn't in danger, it's not even interesting at all.

00:42:20.000 The only reason why it's interesting is because your life is in danger.

00:42:23.000 Yeah.

00:42:24.000 But that's like one of the funny things about it because it is as simple as hanging off a bar.

00:42:28.000 Yeah.

00:42:28.000 But people are just like, what?

00:42:30.000 Yeah, like, if there's a small ledge...

00:42:33.000 Oh, Jesus, there you go.

00:42:34.000 Barefoot, huh?

00:42:35.000 How come we decided to go barefoot?

00:42:36.000 You get better grip, barefoot.

00:42:38.000 Mmm, Jesus, son.

00:42:40.000 This is that moment, yeah.

00:42:42.000 So you're standing up there looking at him.

00:42:44.000 So I'm just looking down on him.

00:42:45.000 And he's hanging.

00:42:46.000 And then he, like, does his stuff.

00:42:49.000 Oh, he's going one-handed.

00:42:51.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

00:42:52.000 He only goes one-handed for a little bit.

00:42:54.000 Then he goes back to one-handed.

00:42:55.000 Oh, you fucker.

00:42:57.000 You fucker, you're freaking me out.

00:42:59.000 You're freaking me out.

00:42:59.000 He's just hanging there, too, by the way.

00:43:01.000 He's hanging there.

00:43:02.000 He's still hanging there.

00:43:03.000 He's one-arming it the entire time, folks.

00:43:04.000 Meanwhile, there's security, like, patrolling around the bottom.

00:43:07.000 No idea that we're there.

00:43:08.000 Yeah, the clang of his body when it hits that ground.

00:43:13.000 Yeah.

00:43:13.000 Fuck!

00:43:15.000 And he's laughing and smiling.

00:43:16.000 What is he saying?

00:43:17.000 His hands are slippery?

00:43:18.000 Yeah, it was a strange color.

00:43:20.000 You'd end up with chalky hands, but it was a purpley kind of color.

00:43:24.000 From the paint?

00:43:24.000 Yeah.

00:43:25.000 Wow, dude.

00:43:26.000 You guys are out.

00:43:27.000 And he's wearing sneakers.

00:43:27.000 There's the security down there.

00:43:29.000 Oh, Jesus!

00:43:30.000 And they got a dog as well.

00:43:33.000 Jump on that dog.

00:43:34.000 Right from there.

00:43:36.000 Dude, um...

00:43:37.000 Do you have this desire to keep upping the ante?

00:43:41.000 Is that an issue?

00:43:45.000 Not really.

00:43:46.000 No, I just like...

00:43:48.000 Ultimately, I just like creating stuff and I like making videos and I like exploring places.

00:43:52.000 I like heights.

00:43:53.000 I like jumping between stuff.

00:43:55.000 And the natural progression for me is to get higher and things get bigger.

00:44:00.000 That's just how it is.

00:44:01.000 So it just happens.

00:44:03.000 I'm not thinking about it.

00:44:04.000 I'm not thinking like, okay, I've just released this.

00:44:06.000 Now I need to do something bigger.

00:44:08.000 It's just there.

00:44:09.000 It's just natural.

00:44:10.000 So how do you go about making a video?

00:44:12.000 If you decide, I'm going to make a new video, do you have a thought in your head?

00:44:16.000 Like, I need to get on the Eiffel Tower.

00:44:17.000 How do you do it?

00:44:18.000 You know, the Eiffel Tower was never a plan.

00:44:21.000 I never thought, let's go to Paris and do the Eiffel Tower.

00:44:24.000 Did you do the Eiffel Tower?

00:44:25.000 I've done the Eiffel Tower, yeah.

00:44:27.000 So how'd you do it?

00:44:28.000 If it's not a plan, how'd you do it?

00:44:29.000 So I was in Denmark, just traveling around with a bunch of friends, and instead of getting in the minivan and driving all the way back to London, I was like, no, I don't want to sit in a van for 15 hours.

00:44:39.000 Let's just fly somewhere and continue this adventure.

00:44:42.000 So me and my friend flew to Paris.

00:44:44.000 And then the next day, we ended up climbing down the tower.

00:44:48.000 Do you think this kind of stuff was being done before people were videotaping it?

00:44:53.000 Yeah, it must have been.

00:44:54.000 It must have been.

00:44:55.000 I feel like for certain people, it's just in them to kind of explore places you shouldn't really explore.

00:45:03.000 For you, it seems like something that was fostered, though, right?

00:45:06.000 Because you started off just doing the parkour stuff, and then this became of it.

00:45:10.000 But you know what?

00:45:11.000 When I was a kid, I was a naughty little kid.

00:45:13.000 I was always trying to do things that I shouldn't.

00:45:16.000 Naughty.

00:45:17.000 Yeah.

00:45:18.000 And I think now I'm just a big version of what I was then.

00:45:21.000 Wow.

00:45:24.000 There's some pretty cool videos if you look up on YouTube of like urban exploration and people are finding weird pathways and like, oh shit, look, 60 feet underground, we made it, and there's this shit that's been buried under here.

00:45:34.000 Wonder why it's buried and look, old electronics in the 50s and stuff like that.

00:45:39.000 Like uncovering the hatch in Lost.

00:45:41.000 Sort of like that.

00:45:43.000 Well, that's very interesting to me, but what I'm really most fascinated by is this willingness to put your life in mortal danger.

00:45:54.000 And then how exciting this is for people to watch.

00:45:56.000 What's the most viewed video that you have?

00:45:58.000 How many hits does it have?

00:46:00.000 I think just over four million.

00:46:03.000 That's a lot of fucking people.

00:46:06.000 This one's got a few million, I think.

00:46:09.000 This is you.

00:46:10.000 You get up to the top.

00:46:11.000 So we climbed and we just pushed it too far.

00:46:13.000 We went up to the very top platform.

00:46:16.000 Have you been to Paris?

00:46:17.000 No.

00:46:18.000 Have you been to the Alpha Tower?

00:46:19.000 So you can take the lift up, right?

00:46:21.000 You can walk.

00:46:22.000 You can take the stairs to the second platform.

00:46:24.000 That's the highest you can take the stairs to.

00:46:25.000 There is stairs to the top, but they don't allow it because they're weird and narrow.

00:46:30.000 So you take the lift to the top, and then there's a door that's always manned by a security guard that is the door to that staircase, and that's where we came up from the backside.

00:46:39.000 So we went up, and for some reason we just had the urge to just go inside, even though it's lit up, even though there's cameras everywhere.

00:46:47.000 And we open that door, I step in to the top platform, and then I just hear this walkie-talkie just go like...

00:46:54.000 Like, go crazy in French.

00:46:56.000 And I was like, shit...

00:46:58.000 We've definitely been seen, let's disappear.

00:47:00.000 So then we ran down, we climbed out of the staircase, and then on each, on opposite corners of the tower, in the main beams, there's like, kind of like a little pocket inside the beam that you can jump into.

00:47:14.000 It must be like, two by two, like...

00:47:17.000 I barely fit into it, right, because I'm huge.

00:47:19.000 My friend is small, so he just like, bloop, disappeared into this hole.

00:47:23.000 And then we just sat on opposite ends of the tower and hid.

00:47:27.000 And the lifts, you start hearing lifts coming up, you start hearing people running up and down the stairs, you see torches, everything's kicking off, and we're hid in these little holes.

00:47:37.000 And they're searching for us, and I'm just, like, hiding in this hole.

00:47:41.000 I'm like, I've got one shoe off because it wouldn't fit in.

00:47:43.000 I've got my knee resting on my shoe.

00:47:45.000 I've lost all feeling in my leg because the blood circulation's gone.

00:47:49.000 My head's sticking out the top, and I've got, like, my T-shirt over my head like a little ninja.

00:47:55.000 And there's people with torches going up and down looking for us.

00:47:58.000 So, do you have video of that little pocket that you were in?

00:48:03.000 Uh...

00:48:04.000 It's not in this, no.

00:48:05.000 I do have...

00:48:07.000 It's only on two sides of the tower, which is strange, but it's kind of similar to this gap here.

00:48:12.000 Oh, I see.

00:48:12.000 It's there.

00:48:12.000 See on the right?

00:48:13.000 It's in that corner there.

00:48:14.000 I see, yeah.

00:48:15.000 And it's like a foot and a half by a foot and a half, I think.

00:48:18.000 I barely fit in.

00:48:19.000 So how long did they wait?

00:48:21.000 So we were in this hole.

00:48:23.000 The lift's coming up right now.

00:48:24.000 Yeah, this is when it was starting to open up.

00:48:26.000 This was like as we...

00:48:27.000 So this is like right where you're here.

00:48:29.000 Just before we got caught.

00:48:30.000 Yeah.

00:48:30.000 So we tucked in.

00:48:31.000 This was just before we got caught.

00:48:33.000 So how'd you get caught?

00:48:35.000 Because the lifts start coming up because the staff start coming up to work or to clean or something and they just saw us.

00:48:42.000 We're just like running around these beams and there's lifts everywhere.

00:48:45.000 Fuck.

00:48:47.000 So what happens then?

00:48:49.000 So we're still in this hole, and we sit in this hole for like two hours, at least two hours, where they're going up and down.

00:48:54.000 It goes quiet, so I jump out the hole.

00:48:57.000 I have a look around.

00:48:58.000 I go and see Stevi.

00:48:59.000 Stevi's like half asleep, just chilling in the hole.

00:49:02.000 And then I come back to the hole.

00:49:05.000 I'm like, yeah, this seems like pretty clear now.

00:49:08.000 I think they must have thought that we jumped off with parachutes and we were gone, right?

00:49:12.000 Because they couldn't find us.

00:49:14.000 And then I was like, yeah, this seems pretty clear.

00:49:16.000 And then every single light on the tower goes...

00:49:20.000 The whole thing lights up.

00:49:22.000 And this isn't like the twinkly lights that they have on every hour at night.

00:49:26.000 This is like internal lights that are like this big.

00:49:30.000 Light the whole fucking tower up.

00:49:33.000 So I jump straight back in the hole.

00:49:36.000 I'm like, shit, what's going on?

00:49:37.000 And then lifts again, people up and down the stairs again looking for us.

00:49:41.000 So we're sat in these holes again for ages.

00:49:45.000 And then it finally goes quiet, but the lights are still on for a little while, and then the whole thing just shuts down, and I think that was it.

00:49:54.000 So I jumped out, had a look around, went and got Stevi, and then it was ours again.

00:49:58.000 And then we were up there until like 9am, I think it was.

00:50:02.000 How long was that?

00:50:03.000 How many hours?

00:50:04.000 1 a.m.

00:50:05.000 till 9 a.m.

00:50:05.000 Wow!

00:50:06.000 So you were climbing around that thing for eight fucking hours?

00:50:09.000 That's nuts!

00:50:10.000 Yeah.

00:50:11.000 Running on some little French chocolate bar, which is really good.

00:50:15.000 Oh, that's all you ate?

00:50:15.000 That's all we had, yeah.

00:50:17.000 So you came down because you were hungry?

00:50:19.000 We came down because we got caught.

00:50:21.000 So you would have stayed there for the rest of the day?

00:50:25.000 The idea was to like wait till it opened and then get into a place where you could hide like near the second platform and then just drop into the second platform and just merge in with like the tourists.

00:50:36.000 But we didn't get that far.

00:50:38.000 That would have been cool.

00:50:39.000 So the plan was to wait for it to open and sneak out with the crowd.

00:50:44.000 Just jump out of the beam into the crowd, disappear into the lift, done.

00:50:47.000 So when you get caught, then what happens?

00:50:50.000 So we got seen by like a big group of people in one of the lifts and we're just like waving and they're like, like angry looking people.

00:51:00.000 Well, like angry people and happy people.

00:51:02.000 They're like, what the heck's going on?

00:51:03.000 And then we were like above slightly above a maintenance platform where they have like lifts that take workers up.

00:51:10.000 And then so we had to climb down.

00:51:12.000 We met people on the maintenance platform.

00:51:15.000 Getting the lift, there's like five of us, like two, me and Steffi and then like a few other people.

00:51:20.000 Security, just like private security for the tower.

00:51:22.000 And then we come down to like the basement.

00:51:25.000 Lift's open, there's just like a room full of policemen.

00:51:29.000 And we're like...

00:51:30.000 You'll see it in the movie.

00:51:32.000 And what do they do?

00:51:33.000 We didn't film that bit.

00:51:34.000 I had to hide every single SD card and everything that I had on me.

00:51:39.000 How'd you do that?

00:51:39.000 I had three cameras on me.

00:51:41.000 No.

00:51:41.000 No?

00:51:42.000 It was an option.

00:51:43.000 That is the only option.

00:51:44.000 Yeah.

00:51:46.000 I haven't had to do that yet, but...

00:51:47.000 You need a condom.

00:51:48.000 You tie it in a knot.

00:51:50.000 Yeah.

00:51:50.000 Put them in the condom.

00:51:51.000 Put your finger up your bum.

00:51:52.000 That's right.

00:51:53.000 All right.

00:51:53.000 So, how do you hide the SD cards?

00:51:56.000 I mean, they must have went through your stuff with a fine tooth comb.

00:51:58.000 So, I had...

00:51:58.000 I thought they would, but they didn't.

00:52:00.000 I don't know.

00:52:01.000 Paris.

00:52:02.000 They don't give a fuck.

00:52:03.000 They're trying to get laid, drink wine, eat chocolate.

00:52:05.000 So, I had, like, a big 5D, like a big DSLR, and then I had, I think, two GoPros.

00:52:10.000 And so, two micro SDs and one, like, CF card from the big one.

00:52:14.000 And I had like this bag that had like little tiny pen pockets, like really thin pockets, right?

00:52:21.000 And I just stuffed the micro SD cards down there.

00:52:24.000 And I had like a little rip in the back padding of the bag.

00:52:27.000 So I just threw the CF card in the back of the bag and it just fell down.

00:52:32.000 And I just hoped.

00:52:34.000 And then when like we got to the police station, they were like, you have so many cameras on you.

00:52:40.000 Clearly you've been filming, and I was like, no, forgot the SD cards, cameras died, and they believed it.

00:52:48.000 I had to surrender everything on my phone.

00:52:51.000 You had to surrender everything on your phone?

00:52:53.000 Yeah, so I had three cameras, right?

00:52:55.000 I had three cameras and my phone, so I was like, I'm going to have to give something up to try and save the most valuable footage.

00:53:04.000 So I was like, they were like, did you film?

00:53:06.000 I was like, I only filmed on my phone because my cameras died and I forgot my SD cards.

00:53:10.000 And then they went through like the footage on the phone and just made me delete it all.

00:53:13.000 Oh, that's cool.

00:53:14.000 So the footage on the phone was like a ruse.

00:53:17.000 The footage on the phone was like me in the little hole.

00:53:21.000 Right.

00:53:21.000 Filming, talking to the camera and like filming the people looking.

00:53:24.000 Because I was like this and I put my phone out.

00:53:26.000 That's great that you had something to give them.

00:53:28.000 Yeah.

00:53:29.000 Yeah.

00:53:30.000 So then what happens?

00:53:31.000 How long did they detain you?

00:53:32.000 We were there for like eight hours.

00:53:34.000 So another eight hours.

00:53:36.000 Eight hours, yeah.

00:53:36.000 So when you're eight hours up there, climbing around, how do you pee?

00:53:39.000 You pee off the edge of the tower.

00:53:41.000 Oh my god.

00:53:42.000 That's probably why you got arrested.

00:53:44.000 You're pissing on these French people, as if life hasn't pissed on them enough.

00:53:48.000 Yeah, I think by the time it gets to the ground, it's kind of all spread out.

00:53:51.000 Or not, or it's a fucking raging river of piss right on some little old lady's head.

00:53:56.000 Yeah, I have to, I have to.

00:53:57.000 Why wouldn't you just pee on the tower?

00:53:59.000 That way it dribbles down slowly and doesn't hit anybody in the head.

00:54:02.000 I mean, if you were stood on the Eiffel Tower and you needed to pee, and there was no one below you because it's like 4am, you'd pee off the edge.

00:54:09.000 Maybe you peed on a homeless person.

00:54:10.000 That's even ruder.

00:54:12.000 I'm sorry to that person if I did pee on them.

00:54:15.000 Maybe it's a romantic couple going for a walk.

00:54:17.000 Maybe it would have really worked out.

00:54:18.000 All of a sudden, the girl goes to light her cigarette and you piss right on her head.

00:54:22.000 And she gets mad and the fucking evening ends poorly.

00:54:26.000 And it could have been a perfect relationship, but you ruined it.

00:54:28.000 I killed it.

00:54:29.000 Yeah.

00:54:30.000 So you come down and then another eight hours of detention.

00:54:33.000 Yeah.

00:54:34.000 And what do they do to you?

00:54:35.000 Handcuffed us to a chair.

00:54:36.000 We're just sat in the middle of this...

00:54:39.000 Police station, there's like cells behind us with people going crazy and like people bleeding from their eyeballs and we're just sat there like People bleeding from their eyeballs from other crimes.

00:54:50.000 From like nighttime fights and stuff like that and just drunk people.

00:54:53.000 And we were just sat there for ages.

00:54:55.000 And then we finally got taken into like separate rooms where we were questioned by some high up.

00:55:00.000 I had a woman.

00:55:01.000 He had a dude.

00:55:02.000 And we were both questioned for a couple hours.

00:55:04.000 And then we were back out handcuffed to the chairs again.

00:55:08.000 And then they took all of our stuff and they searched it.

00:55:11.000 And I was like, fuck.

00:55:12.000 If they find it.

00:55:13.000 They're going to be like, okay, you just told us that you filmed nothing.

00:55:16.000 And we've just found hours and hours of footage.

00:55:20.000 Like, what's the deal?

00:55:21.000 So I was like, fuck.

00:55:23.000 Please don't find the cards.

00:55:24.000 Yeah.

00:55:25.000 And then they finally brought the bags back.

00:55:28.000 It must have been an hour they had them for.

00:55:30.000 And I thought they were going to go through everything.

00:55:32.000 But they brought it back.

00:55:33.000 I checked it.

00:55:34.000 And I was like, stuffy.

00:55:36.000 The cards are still here!

00:55:37.000 And then we just lost it.

00:55:39.000 We were so happy, but the policemen just had no idea what we were doing.

00:55:43.000 God.

00:55:43.000 So do they kick you out of the country?

00:55:45.000 No.

00:55:45.000 No record?

00:55:46.000 Nothing?

00:55:47.000 No, nothing at all.

00:55:47.000 So I had to, we go back in that room, I had to sign an agreement that said, I promise I will not climb the Eiffel Tower for three years.

00:55:55.000 For three years, that's it?

00:55:57.000 That was it, yeah.

00:55:58.000 Random, right?

00:56:00.000 How come they only give you, how come they don't say forever?

00:56:02.000 Forever.

00:56:04.000 They must like it.

00:56:06.000 Yeah.

00:56:06.000 You know what?

00:56:07.000 The woman that was interviewing me loved it.

00:56:09.000 She did?

00:56:09.000 She was like, you really shouldn't be doing this, but how did you do it?

00:56:14.000 It's incredible.

00:56:15.000 Like, she loved it.

00:56:16.000 Wow.

00:56:17.000 She low-key loved it, yeah.

00:56:17.000 Well, I think once they realize that you're polite, you're a gentleman, you're a very nice guy, you're just a thrill-seeker, they're like, okay, this is not a threat to society.

00:56:25.000 This guy isn't a terrorist.

00:56:27.000 Yeah.

00:56:27.000 The second question she asked me was, did you leave a bomb up there?

00:56:30.000 Oh, God.

00:56:31.000 And I just laughed.

00:56:32.000 I was like, what?

00:56:33.000 Come on.

00:56:34.000 Oh, wow.

00:56:35.000 Well, that's something they have to take into consideration.

00:56:36.000 They have to actually trust you, right?

00:56:38.000 If they let you go, it turns out you did leave a bomb up there?

00:56:42.000 Then they would have to comb over the building with a fine-tooth comb.

00:56:45.000 But who's going to say?

00:56:46.000 Who's going to be like, yeah, you know what?

00:56:48.000 I did.

00:56:49.000 I left a bomb up there.

00:56:50.000 No, no one would, right?

00:56:51.000 So they really have to trust you.

00:56:53.000 Yeah.

00:56:54.000 Fucking Europeans.

00:56:56.000 Ridiculous.

00:56:57.000 Ridiculous people.

00:56:58.000 Three years.

00:56:59.000 Fuck you.

00:57:00.000 You'd be in jail forever.

00:57:01.000 If it was America, they'd put you right in Guantanamo Bay.

00:57:04.000 Get in there.

00:57:04.000 Get in the hole.

00:57:05.000 They'd throw dogs in there with you.

00:57:09.000 Yeah, it just seems like...

00:57:11.000 They're a little bit looser over there.

00:57:13.000 A little more relaxed about things like that.

00:57:14.000 They are, yeah.

00:57:15.000 It's probably better.

00:57:16.000 I was driving from LA to San Fran a couple weeks ago.

00:57:21.000 Up the one.

00:57:22.000 Is it the one?

00:57:22.000 Mm-hmm.

00:57:23.000 Amazing drive.

00:57:24.000 And I found like a couple of cranes.

00:57:26.000 I went and saw like some elephant seals.

00:57:28.000 And then shortly after that, I just found like a building site on the site, like near the beach, like 100 meters back from the beach.

00:57:35.000 And I was like, of course I need to stop and just do this because it's dead.

00:57:38.000 It was, what weekend was it?

00:57:40.000 Holiday weekend, right?

00:57:41.000 So I did it and I stopped and I climbed it and then I'm at the top and I look down So I had like a rental Mustang and I parked the Mustang in the site like on the top of this peak It looked really cool, but you could see it from the road So a cop's driving past.

00:57:55.000 He sees the Mustang.

00:57:56.000 He's like what's going on?

00:57:57.000 So he pulls in and he's walking around Looking and then he looks up and he sees me at the top of this crane He's like you get your ass down here right now And I was like, fuck!

00:58:07.000 This is the first time I got caught in the US. I was like, shit, what's gonna happen?

00:58:11.000 Well, you're in California.

00:58:12.000 It's better than getting caught in, like, Arizona.

00:58:14.000 Yeah?

00:58:15.000 Yeah.

00:58:16.000 This is Texas.

00:58:17.000 They should shoot you.

00:58:18.000 They should shoot me.

00:58:18.000 Yeah.

00:58:19.000 Okay.

00:58:19.000 I'll bear that in mind.

00:58:22.000 That's what I'm scared of.

00:58:23.000 That's what I'm scared of.

00:58:24.000 Because in the UK, what we know the cops over here to be like is they just shoot people.

00:58:28.000 That's like what we're told, you know?

00:58:30.000 That's what they feed us.

00:58:32.000 You're white.

00:58:34.000 You're going to be okay.

00:58:35.000 True.

00:58:35.000 So the guy gets you down the window and tells you to get out of there?

00:58:39.000 He shouts at me.

00:58:39.000 Yeah, I've got this all on video as well.

00:58:41.000 He shouts at me.

00:58:41.000 I come down.

00:58:43.000 And then he just lays into me.

00:58:45.000 You tell him you're from England, you don't know any better.

00:58:48.000 Exactly, yeah.

00:58:49.000 I was like, oh, in England it's not actually an eagle.

00:58:51.000 No vitamins?

00:58:51.000 It's like, well, you're in the United States of America, boy, and you need to do what you should do.

00:58:58.000 So, yeah.

00:58:59.000 So, he took my passport.

00:59:01.000 He took my passport.

00:59:02.000 He took my driver's license.

00:59:03.000 He checked all my stuff.

00:59:04.000 And then he was like, okay.

00:59:06.000 He came back after like 10 minutes.

00:59:08.000 He was like, okay.

00:59:09.000 So I've made a decision, and I'm going to leave this in the hands of the site manager.

00:59:13.000 So he goes and he tries to find a site manager, but it's a holiday weekend, nobody's there.

00:59:17.000 So he goes to the office, he phones up some number on the door, and he speaks to the site manager.

00:59:23.000 And the site manager's just got back to LA from where he's working.

00:59:28.000 And he was like, you know what?

00:59:29.000 I've just got back home.

00:59:30.000 I cannot be bothered to deal with this.

00:59:32.000 So just let him go.

00:59:33.000 And then we just got to go.

00:59:34.000 And that was it.

00:59:36.000 What is the worst you've ever got in trouble?

00:59:42.000 There's nothing, you know?

00:59:43.000 Nothing?

00:59:43.000 There's nothing, like, bad.

00:59:45.000 Are you worried now, though, that with your internet fame, that now you're getting millions of hits in these videos, that people are going to recognize you and maybe even, like, target you?

00:59:54.000 Yeah, set an example.

00:59:56.000 Yeah.

00:59:57.000 I don't know.

00:59:58.000 I've thought about it, but it doesn't seem to happen.

01:00:01.000 It seems to be getting easier.

01:00:02.000 Yeah.

01:00:03.000 Because they're like, oh shit, you're this guy.

01:00:05.000 Can I take a picture?

01:00:06.000 That's just how it works.

01:00:08.000 Do you worry that you're encouraging people that are not as competent or thoughtful as you?

01:00:14.000 I worry that somebody that is a bit silly might see it and think, oh, I need to do this to be cool or to look cool in front of my mates, like young kids, right?

01:00:25.000 I worry about that, yeah, but...

01:00:27.000 There's not much I can do.

01:00:28.000 There's so many more things out there that are so easily available on the internet that kids could watch and be inspired by.

01:00:36.000 I always make it clear that what I'm doing is just...

01:00:39.000 What I want people to get from this is like...

01:00:42.000 I'm just going out, exploring the world, living my life in a way that I enjoy, doing things that make me happy, pushing myself, developing myself, becoming a better person, a stronger person, and that's it.

01:00:53.000 And climbing and jumping around is just my way of doing it.

01:00:56.000 We all have our own little passions, right?

01:00:58.000 That's just mine.

01:00:59.000 Yours might be badminton or something, ping pong.

01:01:02.000 That's another thing that's interesting that's happening now.

01:01:06.000 The larger number of content providers, like so many people like yourself that are doing things like this, the idea that one person is responsible for their influence becomes less and less plausible.

01:01:16.000 It becomes more like, well, what is he representing?

01:01:18.000 Well, he's representing a 26-year-old guy who absolutely knows how to do that.

01:01:22.000 You don't have to do what he's doing, but he can do what he's doing.

01:01:26.000 So are you supposed to stop doing what you're doing, which you're obviously very capable of doing because you're not a good example?

01:01:33.000 Well, you're the perfect example.

01:01:35.000 Of someone doing it correctly.

01:01:36.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:01:37.000 But some people just don't get that.

01:01:40.000 Well, the idea that you're influencing people, it's always very tricky.

01:01:44.000 Because what are you supposed to do?

01:01:45.000 You're supposed to live your life in a cushioned room so no one gets injured?

01:01:48.000 Because that's the only way to influence people positively.

01:01:51.000 In terms of if you're going to do risky things, you could always be an example or be an inspiration to someone who's not as competent as you, and they could risk death or injury.

01:02:02.000 Yeah.

01:02:02.000 I don't think, honestly, I don't think anybody is stupid enough to see it, go out and try it.

01:02:08.000 Like, most people on Earth, right?

01:02:10.000 Well, you put them up a crane and they'll shit themselves, yeah?

01:02:13.000 Right.

01:02:13.000 I don't think any 12-year-old, 14-year-old kid is gonna see it and be like, oh, do-do-do-do, climb a crane, hang off it.

01:02:19.000 I just don't see that happening.

01:02:20.000 Oh, they're definitely gonna do it.

01:02:21.000 I disagree.

01:02:22.000 There's gonna be a bunch of them.

01:02:24.000 Yeah.

01:02:24.000 There's a lot of crazy fucks out there just like you, pal.

01:02:27.000 Yeah.

01:02:29.000 I don't know.

01:02:30.000 It's beyond me.

01:02:32.000 Russians have been doing it longer than I have.

01:02:34.000 Did they start this stuff?

01:02:36.000 Yeah, as far as I know.

01:02:37.000 They went up there with big-ass heavy cameras.

01:02:39.000 The first stuff I saw was Russians.

01:02:41.000 Big-ass fucking boombox cameras.

01:02:45.000 I wonder who the first guy was to climb up on top of some beam.

01:02:48.000 Because I saw one where there was a steel girder that was extended out into the forest.

01:02:54.000 And it was like rusty, right?

01:02:55.000 Yes.

01:02:55.000 And there's trees everywhere.

01:02:56.000 That's probably the first one I saw as well.

01:02:58.000 It might have been the first one.

01:02:59.000 Yeah.

01:02:59.000 See if you can find that one.

01:03:00.000 He's doing push-ups on it and he's hanging on it.

01:03:02.000 Yes, that fuck.

01:03:03.000 Yeah.

01:03:03.000 Russia.

01:03:04.000 That's Russia.

01:03:05.000 It's so high.

01:03:06.000 I want to go there.

01:03:07.000 I really want to go there because it's still there.

01:03:09.000 Oh no!

01:03:10.000 Don't do it!

01:03:11.000 And he's got that picture where he's like this.

01:03:13.000 It's epic, man.

01:03:14.000 Yeah, here it is.

01:03:15.000 He's hanging upside down, and he's extending his legs.

01:03:19.000 This guy is out of his fucking mind.

01:03:23.000 He's doing, like, flips.

01:03:24.000 He's doing chin-ups, and he's letting go of his hands.

01:03:28.000 He's doing chin-ups, and he gets to the top, he lets go of his hands.

01:03:31.000 And he's doing several of them.

01:03:32.000 He's doing one leg, with one leg crossed over the other one.

01:03:36.000 Look how windy it is.

01:03:37.000 Oh my god, they're balancing on their hands over these beams.

01:03:41.000 That's the one I've seen.

01:03:43.000 Fucking Jesus Christ, this is driving me nuts.

01:03:46.000 But you see, like, there's a bunch of videos of dudes in this place.

01:03:49.000 I know.

01:03:49.000 Well, how many people have died from this place?

01:03:53.000 Must be a few.

01:03:55.000 Oh my God, look at this guy gripping.

01:03:58.000 Oh, this is so scary.

01:04:02.000 Good lord.

01:04:03.000 This is so scary.

01:04:05.000 As I'm watching this, though, this video isn't that old.

01:04:07.000 Do you think this maybe started once the cameras became portable enough to get up there, like the small little flip cams and blogging cams?

01:04:15.000 Maybe you weren't capable of taking a big-ass VCR camera.

01:04:19.000 Like, you had a drone in one of yours, I saw.

01:04:21.000 And drones are being able to do live video now.

01:04:24.000 Look at my hands.

01:04:25.000 I could like wring them out in a glass right now.

01:04:29.000 I'm watching this video and I'm freaking out and these guys are doing it and they're laughing.

01:04:33.000 You know, they're so high up.

01:04:36.000 Look at that forest below them.

01:04:39.000 I think you're right that people have always probably done this.

01:04:42.000 Yeah.

01:04:44.000 Amazing feats of athleticism, too.

01:04:46.000 If you look at this guy bouncing his hands, his feet up in the air.

01:04:49.000 Full plank, hanging off.

01:04:51.000 Look at this guy.

01:04:52.000 That's some serious fucking strength.

01:04:56.000 I mean, it's such a crazy endeavor.

01:05:02.000 Were you doing some of this before you could film it?

01:05:04.000 Like before you even had a camera?

01:05:06.000 Yeah.

01:05:06.000 So it's not just about showing people?

01:05:08.000 No, not at all.

01:05:08.000 Do you know anybody who's fallen and died?

01:05:11.000 Um...

01:05:14.000 No, none personally.

01:05:15.000 No, there was a parkour guy that fell off a rooftop.

01:05:17.000 He was doing a back somersault on the edge of a rooftop, probably like a wall like this, which is like an easy thing to do, but something must have got to him and he fell off and he died.

01:05:29.000 16 stories, I think.

01:05:33.000 And this is recent?

01:05:34.000 A couple of years ago, I think.

01:05:35.000 Where did he fall?

01:05:37.000 What place?

01:05:38.000 I think it was Russia.

01:05:40.000 I'm pretty sure it was Russia.

01:05:41.000 You Google it, you'll find it.

01:05:42.000 So it's surprisingly few deaths.

01:05:44.000 Yeah, that we know about, that are publicized.

01:05:47.000 I don't see that many.

01:05:50.000 Yeah, which is good, I guess.

01:05:53.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:05:54.000 So that leads me to believe that people aren't stupid enough to go out and Well, it's such a scary thing to do that it just takes a very small percentage of people and it grabs ahold of them and says, you've got to do this too.

01:06:09.000 There's a video that's actually on YouTube that probably shouldn't be on YouTube.

01:06:14.000 Of somebody filming from the ground, up at a crane, and a guy walks across the top beam of the crane and falls, and you just see his body just...

01:06:22.000 Oh, God.

01:06:24.000 Yeah, it disappears behind some other building.

01:06:27.000 Wow, I think as long as it doesn't hit the bottom, they'll let you show it.

01:06:30.000 Yeah.

01:06:31.000 Isn't that weird?

01:06:32.000 We have rules like that.

01:06:33.000 Like, you'd know the guy died.

01:06:35.000 Yeah.

01:06:35.000 But you can't see it.

01:06:36.000 Yeah.

01:06:38.000 Strange.

01:06:39.000 So, ten more years of this?

01:06:41.000 I don't know.

01:06:43.000 I don't know.

01:06:43.000 You're not thinking about the future.

01:06:44.000 You're just a wild man.

01:06:45.000 I'm just a wild man, yeah.

01:06:46.000 Living on the edge.

01:06:48.000 Yeah, just wake up and see what I feel like.

01:06:51.000 Yeah.

01:06:52.000 Wow.

01:06:53.000 There's no point in thinking that far ahead.

01:06:55.000 You know, I could die tomorrow.

01:06:56.000 We could all die tomorrow.

01:06:56.000 We could all get hit by a bus.

01:06:58.000 Or we could live, and then you go, fuck, why didn't I think about tomorrow?

01:07:01.000 Yeah.

01:07:02.000 It's not a bad idea to plan.

01:07:04.000 Assume you will live.

01:07:05.000 Police release horror video of schoolboy falling 100 feet to his death as warning to daredevils.

01:07:11.000 Police in Russia have released a horrifying video at Russia.

01:07:15.000 Yeah, we don't need to see this, Jamie.

01:07:18.000 This kid's gonna fall and I'm gonna freak out even further!

01:07:21.000 I think I've seen this, yeah.

01:07:23.000 What other interests do you have besides doing this kind of crazy shit?

01:07:26.000 Do you have sports that you do?

01:07:27.000 No, no other sports really.

01:07:29.000 I just love filmmaking.

01:07:30.000 I just love making videos.

01:07:31.000 I love filming stuff.

01:07:32.000 I love taking pictures.

01:07:33.000 I love creating these little films and it's like both of my passions just work hand in hand.

01:07:37.000 I've got the parkour and the climbing stuff and I've got the filmmaking.

01:07:40.000 Do you ever film stuff that's not scary and daredevil-y stuff?

01:07:45.000 Yeah.

01:07:46.000 I need to do more of that.

01:07:47.000 Do people respond to that?

01:07:50.000 Yeah, so I put out a video a couple months ago of my new car, like my new car video.

01:07:54.000 So it's basically like a car review, right?

01:07:56.000 And people love it.

01:07:57.000 Oh, I think I might have seen that.

01:07:59.000 Do you have an M3? An M4, a new one?

01:08:01.000 Yeah, I think I did see that.

01:08:02.000 People like it.

01:08:03.000 It's got like 200 and something thousand views.

01:08:05.000 Yeah.

01:08:07.000 Yeah.

01:08:08.000 It's a great car, isn't it?

01:08:09.000 It's an amazing car, yeah.

01:08:10.000 And you got that car for money that you made from risking your life?

01:08:13.000 Yep.

01:08:14.000 Wow.

01:08:15.000 Yeah.

01:08:15.000 From like YouTube ads and stuff?

01:08:17.000 Is that what it is?

01:08:18.000 YouTube money, sponsorships, everything.

01:08:20.000 That's a beautiful car.

01:08:21.000 They're so well engineered.

01:08:23.000 Yeah.

01:08:23.000 Look at it, man.

01:08:24.000 It's a piece of art.

01:08:25.000 It is.

01:08:26.000 I had an M3 the last one.

01:08:28.000 Yeah, I had the old one, the old V8. Yeah, this is interesting, the V6 turbo, right?

01:08:33.000 You like it?

01:08:35.000 It's a completely different sound, but I like it.

01:08:39.000 I used to have a turbocharged car before the V8 M3, and I missed all the little hisses and the wobbles, and I missed it, so now I've got it back.

01:08:47.000 That's interesting.

01:08:47.000 And it's so much faster.

01:08:48.000 It's so much faster.

01:08:48.000 A lot of people like the roar of the V8. Yeah.

01:08:51.000 And it's the big complaint about the M3. Yeah.

01:08:54.000 So it doesn't...

01:08:54.000 The M4, rather.

01:08:55.000 It doesn't have that roar anymore.

01:08:56.000 It doesn't.

01:08:57.000 It's completely different.

01:08:57.000 But I wouldn't compare them.

01:08:59.000 I wouldn't say, oh, the M3's better.

01:09:00.000 It's just a different...

01:09:01.000 It's a different breed, you know?

01:09:02.000 It's like...

01:09:02.000 Well, we're getting used to cars that don't make any noise, right?

01:09:05.000 Those electric cars are more and more prevalent.

01:09:08.000 I saw the Tesla numbers the other day, Jamie.

01:09:10.000 It's 2.5 seconds.

01:09:13.000 It's so less than 3, it's 2.5.

01:09:15.000 And that's in the Model X, the big one, as well as the other ones.

01:09:18.000 Oh, really?

01:09:18.000 I think the big one's a little slower.

01:09:20.000 It's silly.

01:09:20.000 It's sub 3. They just updated them this week too.

01:09:23.000 I wonder if they updated the speed too.

01:09:25.000 Like the software update.

01:09:26.000 It's like a firmware update.

01:09:28.000 Add speed to your car.

01:09:29.000 Yeah.

01:09:30.000 Isn't that nuts?

01:09:30.000 Yeah.

01:09:31.000 Elon Musk, man.

01:09:32.000 He's killing it.

01:09:33.000 He's on the spectrum for sure.

01:09:36.000 Right?

01:09:36.000 Gotta be.

01:09:37.000 Super wizard.

01:09:38.000 Yeah.

01:09:38.000 He's an alien.

01:09:39.000 He's probably.

01:09:40.000 Yeah.

01:09:41.000 Those people, those, like, people that push things like that, what is this?

01:09:45.000 0-16, 2.5 seconds, has 315 miles of range.

01:09:50.000 Dude.

01:09:50.000 Eh, not if you go that fast.

01:09:54.000 It's 289 miles.

01:09:56.000 What is that?

01:09:58.000 Stop lying.

01:10:01.000 What does it say?

01:10:02.000 Is it a different one?

01:10:05.000 Do they make that sweet one, that little tiny one?

01:10:09.000 Does Tesla still make that little sports car one?

01:10:12.000 No, they don't.

01:10:13.000 They release them in limited numbers.

01:10:15.000 The little tiny one?

01:10:16.000 The little lotus-looking one?

01:10:18.000 Yeah, that lotus-looking one was beautiful.

01:10:21.000 That was one of their first, wasn't it?

01:10:22.000 Yeah, but it is on skinny tires, and apparently the weight's all fucked up.

01:10:27.000 It's like Porsche 911, but way to the extreme, because all the weight's in the back.

01:10:30.000 Just like a Porsche, but way more weight.

01:10:33.000 So it's like if you go around a corner and the ass end kicks out on you, you just...

01:10:36.000 Or if you're going around a corner and you're hitting the gas, and you let off the gas, you get that...

01:10:42.000 That tail end sort of pendulums out on you.

01:10:46.000 Yeah.

01:10:47.000 But they're beautiful.

01:10:48.000 I do love cars, man.

01:10:48.000 Do you?

01:10:49.000 Cars are fun, yeah.

01:10:50.000 Me too.

01:10:50.000 I'm a big fan.

01:10:52.000 Big fan of engineering.

01:10:53.000 What do you drive?

01:10:54.000 My favorite car?

01:10:56.000 I have a Porsche 911 GT3 RS. Yes, dude.

01:11:01.000 Yeah, I have an older one, a 2007 when they were still manuals.

01:11:04.000 They don't make manuals anymore.

01:11:06.000 Now they're all those paddle shifts, which is, they're really fun, but it's just not as fun.

01:11:11.000 Yeah, it's different than that.

01:11:12.000 Yeah, I'm a big fan of clutch.

01:11:14.000 That's one thing I like about the M4. It's one of the few high-end sports cars where you could still get that clutch.

01:11:21.000 Cool.

01:11:21.000 All the American cars do it, like Corvettes, you can still get with a clutch.

01:11:25.000 But like Porsches, the GT3 and the GT3 RS, now you can only get automatic.

01:11:30.000 Ferrari, only automatic.

01:11:32.000 That's my car.

01:11:34.000 That was before I took the painting off the wheels, or off the side, the GT3 RS logo.

01:11:41.000 I'm like, that's a little schoolboy racer.

01:11:43.000 It is, yeah.

01:11:44.000 No, it's just white.

01:11:45.000 But what I like about those cars is it's not even really growing that fast.

01:11:49.000 It's the connection.

01:11:50.000 Like when you're going around corners, it literally is like a ride.

01:11:52.000 It feels like a Disneyland ride.

01:11:55.000 Yeah, and it's also the engineering.

01:11:57.000 Like you can appreciate the amount of thought and trial and error and calculation that's involved in creating something that's so capable.

01:12:06.000 You know, when you drive a regular car, you know, it's just a car.

01:12:09.000 You're driving it around.

01:12:09.000 You drive one of those things around, you're on a ride.

01:12:11.000 Yeah.

01:12:12.000 You know?

01:12:12.000 Yeah.

01:12:14.000 I love it.

01:12:14.000 So fun.

01:12:15.000 Yeah, me too.

01:12:16.000 I'm a big fan.

01:12:17.000 So, this is like all your life.

01:12:21.000 You just enjoy making videos, taking photos, and doing these crazy stunts and filming them.

01:12:29.000 And you're just living day by day, keep on keeping on.

01:12:33.000 Living the dream.

01:12:34.000 Yeah, you are in a lot of ways, man.

01:12:36.000 I mean, there's a lot of kids that are going, wait a minute, you could just do chin-ups on a crane?

01:12:42.000 You can get a fucking BMW? Yeah.

01:12:45.000 Yeah, you'd be surprised how many people are like, you don't deserve this.

01:12:49.000 Oh, fuck those people.

01:12:50.000 You're risking your goddamn life.

01:12:52.000 All you do is climb ladders and...

01:12:54.000 Listen, people watch the videos.

01:12:57.000 It's just jealousy.

01:12:58.000 Of course.

01:12:59.000 You're always going to have that.

01:13:00.000 You're always going to have haters.

01:13:01.000 Do they motivate you?

01:13:03.000 Nah, they just make me laugh.

01:13:05.000 Haters do?

01:13:06.000 Yeah.

01:13:07.000 Do you have a place that you want to go?

01:13:09.000 Hong Kong.

01:13:09.000 Uh-oh.

01:13:10.000 Chinese don't fuck around, dog.

01:13:13.000 But if you look at some videos from Hong Kong, man, it's the place to be.

01:13:17.000 But if you get caught over there, they might throw you in a hole.

01:13:20.000 I don't know.

01:13:21.000 I don't know.

01:13:22.000 I think a few people have been banned from Hong Kong for like some years or forever.

01:13:27.000 I've not heard anything bad.

01:13:31.000 I mean, I would imagine that any time you get arrested in a foreign country...

01:13:34.000 Is this Hong Kong?

01:13:35.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:13:36.000 Look at that, man.

01:13:37.000 High-rise Hong Kong.

01:13:38.000 This guy's walking around with a selfie stick.

01:13:40.000 Sponsors.

01:13:41.000 Oh, my God.

01:13:42.000 He's showing his sponsors.

01:13:43.000 Who the fuck...

01:13:44.000 Wait a minute.

01:13:45.000 Back up.

01:13:46.000 Sponsors.

01:13:47.000 Yeah.

01:13:48.000 Back up.

01:13:48.000 Hold on.

01:13:49.000 Click.

01:13:49.000 Pause.

01:13:50.000 What is this?

01:13:50.000 Jet radar.

01:13:51.000 Flight search engine.

01:13:53.000 Jet radar.

01:13:53.000 Flight search engine.

01:13:54.000 Hotel look.

01:13:55.000 Hotel search engine.

01:13:57.000 So what's happened here is he's been like, okay, I need to get to Hong Kong, but I don't have money.

01:14:03.000 I need to get a hotel in Hong Kong, but I don't have money.

01:14:05.000 I'm going to contact a flight company and a hotel company and see if I can get them to give me both for a video.

01:14:12.000 But how insane are those companies that they're like, what are you going to do?

01:14:15.000 Some illegal shit in China?

01:14:17.000 Yeah, I'm in.

01:14:17.000 I'm in.

01:14:18.000 Put my name up there.

01:14:19.000 I want people to know.

01:14:20.000 1,100,359 views.

01:14:24.000 That's why.

01:14:24.000 They're like, fuck it.

01:14:26.000 A lot of those people are going to use our service.

01:14:28.000 Look at all those buildings.

01:14:29.000 I guess if the guy lived, it's not negative, right?

01:14:33.000 Yeah.

01:14:33.000 I guess if he doesn't live, it won't get released.

01:14:35.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:14:36.000 It's like, yeah, that's the deal.

01:14:38.000 If you...

01:14:40.000 Oh my god, this is so bananas.

01:14:41.000 Oh, his gloves.

01:14:42.000 Oh, he's got gloves on?

01:14:44.000 You think he's a pussy for wearing gloves?

01:14:46.000 Yeah.

01:14:48.000 I mean, but that's like coming from a parkour background, where the idea is to not have to rely on anything.

01:14:53.000 Like, you build your hands up so that you can do shit like this and not have to worry about cutting your finger.

01:14:58.000 Now, when you were doing parkour stuff, were you doing, like, backflips off buildings and stuff?

01:15:02.000 Yeah.

01:15:03.000 Have you ever seen that video where this kid in the ghetto, he's on a second floor roof, and he does a backflip and lands on the ground?

01:15:09.000 Yeah, probably.

01:15:10.000 I've seen some seriously high ones.

01:15:12.000 Fucking crazy.

01:15:13.000 Like, how does a guy live from that far away?

01:15:16.000 You just learn how to land.

01:15:18.000 How does he learn how to land?

01:15:19.000 You land in a way, right, that your legs take as much of the impact as they physically can, and then you smash your bum into the ground, and then you just do a backwards roll.

01:15:28.000 That's it.

01:15:28.000 Watch this guy.

01:15:30.000 Crack head, backflip off the 40-foot roof.

01:15:34.000 I think this guy smashes his head.

01:15:36.000 Yeah.

01:15:37.000 For sure.

01:15:38.000 But what's crazy is he actually did this.

01:15:40.000 He did a backflip.

01:15:41.000 Yeah.

01:15:41.000 Like somebody gave him something.

01:15:43.000 Like a dollar or something crazy, right?

01:15:44.000 Wasn't it like 20 bucks or something ridiculous?

01:15:47.000 But this dude, like he's standing there.

01:15:51.000 And this is...

01:15:52.000 No one had to...

01:15:53.000 Brother, please don't hurt yourself.

01:15:54.000 Please don't hurt yourself.

01:15:55.000 Please.

01:15:57.000 Look at this.

01:15:59.000 I'm gonna say a prayer.

01:16:02.000 You hear that?

01:16:03.000 I'm ready.

01:16:05.000 I don't even want to look at that.

01:16:06.000 Well, you're not going to turn away either, though, are you?

01:16:10.000 You want to be there.

01:16:11.000 So this guy is standing there with his back.

01:16:14.000 He's building hype right now.

01:16:15.000 Here he goes.

01:16:18.000 Smash.

01:16:20.000 And he made it.

01:16:21.000 Oh my god.

01:16:23.000 You alright, bro?

01:16:24.000 I'm good.

01:16:25.000 I'm good.

01:16:26.000 Are you alright, bro?

01:16:27.000 I'm good.

01:16:27.000 Good.

01:16:30.000 Ugh!

01:16:32.000 Holy shit.

01:16:33.000 He's got strong bones.

01:16:34.000 Otherwise his arm would be snapped.

01:16:36.000 Yeah, that is.

01:16:37.000 And that was a hard surface he fell onto.

01:16:40.000 You would just think that if someone just jumped, like is the flip helping at all?

01:16:44.000 You know what it actually does, yeah.

01:16:45.000 How's that?

01:16:46.000 Just because of the momentum, it's going this way instead of just going slam straight down.

01:16:52.000 You can convert some of that into that.

01:16:54.000 You know when you see people jump massive roof gaps and they land and they roll?

01:16:58.000 That's converting all this downwards momentum into a forward.

01:17:02.000 And that means you can jump a lot further than you think.

01:17:05.000 Oh, that's interesting.

01:17:06.000 But if you have to jump straight down, what do you do?

01:17:10.000 You land and you just slam your hands into the ground as well.

01:17:14.000 Spread out the impact as best you can.

01:17:17.000 Yeah, rolls are only good really if you're going forward quite a lot.

01:17:19.000 Right.

01:17:20.000 If you're running.

01:17:20.000 So if you had to jump off of that 40 foot high wall that that guy was on, how would you jump?

01:17:25.000 I'd probably hang off the edge and just straight drop.

01:17:28.000 Bam.

01:17:29.000 Yeah, that's not that high.

01:17:31.000 What the fuck are you saying?

01:17:34.000 You don't think you'd have a problem making that jump?

01:17:36.000 Nah.

01:17:37.000 Really?

01:17:38.000 Yeah.

01:17:39.000 I've done big drops.

01:17:40.000 It helps that I'm big as well.

01:17:43.000 Does it?

01:17:43.000 But it makes it...

01:17:44.000 You're heavy too, right?

01:17:45.000 Yeah, but my legs...

01:17:47.000 I've got good legs, man.

01:17:48.000 My legs are my strongest thing.

01:17:50.000 Do you exercise?

01:17:51.000 Or do you just do a lot of that?

01:17:52.000 Just the exercise comes from doing it.

01:17:54.000 That's it.

01:17:55.000 And how often do you do it?

01:17:56.000 Now, not so much.

01:17:57.000 I used to do it a lot.

01:17:58.000 I used to go out every day and train all day and just repeat jumps and everything.

01:18:02.000 Now it's kind of built in me.

01:18:04.000 But isn't that a problem?

01:18:05.000 Because the more famous you get, the more obligations you get, the less time you have to practice, and the more people expect of you.

01:18:11.000 Yeah, it's a problem.

01:18:11.000 You have to do crazier shit.

01:18:13.000 It's a problem, yeah, but...

01:18:15.000 Fuck.

01:18:16.000 Yeah.

01:18:17.000 Don't die, dude.

01:18:17.000 You seem like a nice guy.

01:18:18.000 No, I wouldn't die.

01:18:20.000 Please don't.

01:18:20.000 It would be a wonderful story if you made it through this thing.

01:18:23.000 Yeah.

01:18:23.000 With no problems at all.

01:18:25.000 And, you know, people would be like, look, the only thing you have to fear is fear itself.

01:18:30.000 Yeah, it's true.

01:18:31.000 Anything else to add to the people before we get the fuck out of here?

01:18:34.000 No, not really.

01:18:35.000 Thanks for watching.

01:18:36.000 Thanks for watching.

01:18:37.000 Thanks for having me on.

01:18:38.000 Please, my pleasure.

01:18:39.000 Finally, we made it happen.

01:18:40.000 I'm glad we did.

01:18:41.000 I'm glad I got to meet you.

01:18:42.000 You're a normal guy.

01:18:43.000 It's perplexing.

01:18:45.000 I look in your eyes.

01:18:46.000 You look totally normal.

01:18:48.000 I'm looking in your eyes.

01:18:49.000 There's nothing crazy going on in there.

01:18:50.000 You just assume.

01:18:51.000 But you look at some of these Russians and you look in their eyes and you just see death and life.

01:18:57.000 Different?

01:18:58.000 Yeah.

01:18:59.000 Whoa.

01:19:00.000 So they're the kings of this shit?

01:19:02.000 I guess, yeah.

01:19:04.000 Man.

01:19:08.000 It's a weird thing to do.

01:19:10.000 It's a weird thing to do.

01:19:11.000 What do you have planned that people can look forward to?

01:19:15.000 I've got quite a lot going on, actually.

01:19:17.000 I've got a couple of huge videos to release from Dubai.

01:19:20.000 I'm doing something here next week involving a helicopter.

01:19:24.000 In America?

01:19:25.000 America, yeah.

01:19:25.000 What part of America, should we say?

01:19:27.000 L.A. Uh-oh.

01:19:29.000 Downtown L.A., Hollywood sign.

01:19:30.000 Do people know about it?

01:19:31.000 No.

01:19:32.000 Shh!

01:19:33.000 Yeah.

01:19:33.000 Just saying, helicopter.

01:19:35.000 Just saying.

01:19:36.000 I'm working on it.

01:19:36.000 You're doing it from a helicopter?

01:19:39.000 Yeah.

01:19:40.000 Dude, don't fall.

01:19:41.000 Yeah.

01:19:41.000 If you fall, people are gonna get mad at me.

01:19:44.000 For sure.

01:19:45.000 Yeah.

01:19:45.000 You encouraged him.

01:19:46.000 You told him to go further.

01:19:47.000 You made him want to do crazy shit.

01:19:50.000 Yeah, so I've got a few big videos.

01:19:51.000 I've got a book coming out, which is cool.

01:19:52.000 Oh, okay.

01:19:53.000 Which is mad.

01:19:53.000 What's your book?

01:19:54.000 Photography and stuff?

01:19:55.000 No, it's like a life story.

01:19:57.000 Oh.

01:19:57.000 Yeah, it's like my beginning, how I discovered parkour, how I started climbing, and then like a few select big climbs that I've done.

01:20:04.000 Did you write it or did you talk to someone?

01:20:06.000 It's got written, so it's based off interviews.

01:20:09.000 I'm not a writer, I can't write a book, but a couple of big interviews and then he converted it into a book.

01:20:16.000 And then a bunch of pictures as well, which is cool.

01:20:18.000 Wow.

01:20:19.000 Yeah.

01:20:21.000 Listen, you've scared the shit out of me on numerous occasions, so in a way you've absolutely entertained me.

01:20:27.000 So I appreciate it, man.

01:20:28.000 And it was very nice to meet you and continued health and success to you, please.

01:20:32.000 Thank you very much.

01:20:32.000 You're a nice guy.

01:20:33.000 I don't want anything bad to happen to you, man.

01:20:35.000 Just be careful out there.

01:20:36.000 Thanks, bud.

01:20:37.000 James Kingston, ladies and gentlemen.

01:20:39.000 What is your Instagram?

01:20:41.000 The James Kingston, yeah.

01:20:43.000 Do you have a Twitter and Facebook?

01:20:45.000 Twitter, the same, James Kingston.

01:20:46.000 You put James Kingston anywhere, you'll pop up straight away.

01:20:48.000 Thank you, brother.

01:20:48.000 Very nice to meet you, man.

01:20:49.000 You too, thank you.

01:20:50.000 Good night, you fucks.

01:20:51.000 See ya.

The Joe Rogan Experience - September 20, 2016

Joe Rogan Experience #849 - James Kingston

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