In this episode, we have special guest Shane Moss join us live from 818 in beautiful 818 to talk about his experience with virtual reality and how it has changed his life. We talk about how he got his start in the world of virtual reality, what it's like to be a police officer in the real world, and what he thinks about the current state of the art in virtual reality. We also talk about some of the cool things he's been able to do with it, and how he thinks it could be a game changer in the near future, and why it's a great tool to have in your arsenal. If you haven't checked out the show yet, be sure to do so! It's a must-listen, and if you don't, you'll definitely want to check it out! Shout out to Shane for coming live from the 818 studio to talk all things virtual reality with us! We hope you enjoy this one, and we hope you have a great rest of your week! Stay tuned for our next episode next Tuesday! XOXO, Derek Videll -Jon Sorrentino Timestamps: 3:00 - Shane Moss 5:30 - What's next? 818 9:00 11:30 12:15 - What are you looking forward to doing virtual reality in real life? 15:00- What's your favorite virtual reality experience? 16: What would you like to do in VR? 17: What do you think of a virtual reality game? 18: What are your favorite piece of equipment? 19:00: What kind of game do you'd like to play in VR game you're going to use in the next episode? 21:15 22:40 - How does it feel like to use virtual reality? 27:30- What is your favorite game you've played in VR in the last week? 26:20 - How do you're most excited about it? 29:40 30:00 What's the worst thing you've been playing in VR right now? 31: What s your favorite VR game or game you ve played in the past? 32: What game you would like to see in VR yet? 35:00 +33:20 36:10 37:00 Do you think it's going to be the most realistic?
00:01:12.000There's another archery one that I played too that's awesome.
00:01:16.000There's one that you had to, an archery game, where you had to dodge, like, and you're, like, moving, like, the Matrix to dodge away from there.
00:01:28.000No, I would imagine it is a good workout, because I did his boxing one, and that's a good workout.
00:01:32.000You're, like, boxing against this guy, this video guy, and I showed it to some fighters, and I was, like, I really think that this could be an amazing training tool.
00:01:41.000If they We could figure out how to make the headset so that maybe if the cord was in the back, if it didn't interfere, as long as you didn't do anything when you had to spin around, it would probably be effective.
00:01:55.000Like they had that, Jamie, you would know this, that wasn't there an Xbox One where it just sort of takes a picture of your body as you're standing there?
00:02:38.000And with police training and stuff like that, especially once...
00:02:41.000I don't know exactly how they do it, but once it's kind of wireless, so you don't have the cord attached to you, and then maybe you could have...
00:02:49.000Larger facilities than just a small room eventually.
00:03:11.000Yeah, I played one of the ones, was a paintball one, with other people that were online.
00:03:19.000And, I mean, I guess we've had kind of, people have been playing other people online, but when you're doing it in virtual reality, it's just a totally different thing.
00:03:37.000Yeah, you're in a circular containment and you have like a harness on your waist so that you don't ever walk forward and touch the bars, right?
00:04:35.000Yeah, people are going to get lost in there.
00:04:37.000You're also going to get really fucking tired.
00:04:39.000Because I'll tell you what, playing that archery game, my arms were so tired.
00:04:44.000Just from holding, it's like a static thing with your left arm in particular.
00:04:48.000You're holding your arm in one position, and then your right arm that you're drawing the bowstring back, you're holding that in one position constantly.
00:04:56.000Because the game is like 20 minutes long.
00:05:42.000You can make a circle around yourself and then walk through it and shrink it and enlarge it.
00:05:47.000And you can see all these people that have painted entire ships, like spaceships, that you can then go inside and walk around and see all the different areas that they've made.
00:05:57.000And you can add your own graffiti to it and stuff like that.
00:07:45.000It's like those old letters that, like when I was a kid, the chain letters had come and if you didn't send it to like seven people, you'd have bad luck or, you know, whatever it is.
00:07:54.000And now people are falling for that with like Trump memes.
00:08:33.000And maybe your intelligence level may be several steps above the stuff you're posting, and you're kind of half-trolling and being shitty at the same time.
00:09:19.000It's like a sports that you have to follow.
00:09:22.000It's like a sporting event that you have to follow.
00:09:23.000There was a video that a bunch of celebrities put out that is so goddamn confusing.
00:09:29.000Because it's celebrities telling you to go out and vote.
00:09:33.000And they're showing all this stuff that makes both of them look fucking terrible.
00:09:38.000It's such a confusing video because it's all this stuff about Benghazi, all this stuff about the Hillary Clinton scandals, the various scandals.
00:09:46.000It's playing on in the background while...
00:09:50.000Iron Man, what the fuck's his name, Robert Downey Jr. talks and then a bunch of other celebrities talk and some of them are like really ridiculous.
00:09:58.000Like some of them are starting to cry when they're talking.
00:10:18.000I think this is probably the real one, because it says save the day and the channel saved the day.
00:10:23.000And the other one is someone made it and took their speeches with some of their imagery, but then put a bunch of stuff in the background showing, like, how fucked up the Benghazi situation is, how fucked up Donald Trump's past is,
00:10:39.000how many people are suing Trump University.
00:10:42.000And then, like, so it makes this thing about saving the day...
00:10:46.000I guess most of what save the day is, is, like, anti-Trump.
00:10:51.000But when you see the video that whoever has created this put together online, it shows a lot of fucked up Hillary stuff, too.
00:10:58.000It really lets you know, like, hey, you ain't saving shit, stupid.
00:11:05.000This culture and memes and everything else, it's completely changing what the role of politicians is, what the president actually does, whereas it used to be like you'd need a representative to ride on horseback or whatever.
00:11:20.000And now we don't really need any of that anymore.
00:11:23.000And so now these are just people that are going around giving pep talks because by necessity they have to raise a certain amount of money so they have to go to each town and say...
00:11:34.000I like America the most, the other guy doesn't like America the best, and I support the troops the most, the other person doesn't, and they're just giving the same talk.
00:11:44.000I don't know how they could have any time to actually be doing the job.
00:11:49.000They're just going around marketing, and it's kind of by necessity.
00:11:52.000And how about when they're marketing and they have another job already?
00:11:57.000Like, they're already a senator or something like that, and they don't give up the job, they just start campaigning?
00:12:21.000We've been hearing about this for like two years now.
00:12:24.000And then after the election, we'll maybe get like maybe a year break before they'll start in on what the next election cycle is going to be.
00:12:32.000And everyone thinking this is very important and exciting.
00:13:11.000Yeah, because now, even if these people genuinely say it's just this person who genuinely wants to make a difference, is super smart, they know just how to do the job, they won't be able to.
00:13:25.000Yeah, Obama's a very bright dude, seems like a hard-working guy, but he's still, you know, he's just out there giving pep talks and having to, you know, raise funds.
00:13:35.000And I think it's ridiculous to try to pretend that one person is even capable of running the United States government, something so monstrously huge.
00:13:43.000Encompassing the IRS, the CIA, the NSA, the FBI. Fucking go on down the line with every union and all the different special interest groups that he has to, you know, they all contribute to his campaign.
00:14:08.000And why not, rather than going to each small town and giving the same speech, I mean, we have the internet, we have TV, why not just get together and have like a podcast or like once a week where you just talk about what you're doing and what your plans are and you're getting together with certain whatever experts you're working with.
00:14:28.000And giving a summary on what's actually happening and how things work so people are involved and understand and can give feedback on it.
00:14:40.000I mean, that's, because right now there's just, like, no substance.
00:14:44.000And even, I used to think the debates were like, oh, okay, finally, they're going to be saying something, you know, of substance, but it's just, you have one person on one side, one on the other, and they're just digging their trenches,
00:14:59.000and they're not open to the other person's idea.
00:15:24.000It's so strange and it goes along the same lines to me as there's some certain things that have been around for a long time that I'm like, how did they ever let this get in?
00:15:34.000Like if you are operating for the greater good of the people, not for the most amount of money that you're going to receive for making these decisions, but if you're operating for the greater good of the people, why would you let pharmaceutical drug companies make advertisements?
00:15:48.000Why would you let politicians make advertisements?
00:15:51.000Why would you let the cigarette industry?
00:15:59.000And then you're saying that marijuana should be illegal.
00:16:02.000There's so many of these ancient things that are so ridiculous that have been around forever.
00:16:06.000Well, and then things like the DEA, which just, what was that, three weeks ago when they decided they weren't going to reschedule it, even though everything's going that direction, clearly?
00:16:18.000There's nothing pointing the other direction.
00:16:20.000There's not like, well, we have some conflicting studies and it looks like marijuana could possibly do some sort of memory damage or this or that.
00:16:29.000Yeah, it's just, it's kind of like, I remember the gay marriage debates.
00:16:34.000Like, ten years ago, it was just like, I don't care if you're the most homophobic, you have your religious beliefs, or whatever it is, but the inability to see that this is happening, that this is where it's going, and you're just wasting a lot of time on a losing battle,
00:16:50.000is kind of troubling, that people aren't able to...
00:16:54.000Look at society and be able to make better predictions.
00:16:57.000Well, they got caught up in a lot of it is religious.
00:17:00.000A giant percentage of it is the beliefs that people have about gay people that are based on whatever religion they grew up with.
00:17:08.000It's the only reason why you would care.
00:17:10.000People who are agnostic, I guarantee if you like did some sort of a survey and checked atheist versus pick whatever religious designation, you know, and saw which ones were against gay marriage.
00:18:05.000How dare you think we should know that?
00:18:07.000I thought this was like some news story that like a bleppo or whatever it was that Gary Johnson, the capital of the series, fucked up and didn't know what it was.
00:18:16.000But the idea of a strong female lead being a shitty action movie.
00:18:23.000Women can make shitty mindless shooter movies too.
00:18:59.000Nobody nobody disliked that movie because a woman was the lead see that's where all this Ghostbuster shit falls apart You know people are crying sexism and all this is no, it wasn't good.
00:19:11.000Yeah, it just wasn't good You know, there's a lot of I haven't seen it.
00:19:16.000What was that movie that everyone loves the wedding movie the wedding planner?
00:19:19.000No bridesmaids bridesmaids everybody loves that fucking movie Like, universally.
00:19:24.000I've never heard anybody who saw that movie who didn't think it was funny.
00:19:27.000I've only watched like an hour of it, but I was laughing my ass off.
00:22:25.000I think that if I read more fiction, I think it would help my vocabulary and I'd be a better communicator possibly, but I just don't attach to it.
00:23:42.000Well, people who are into creating movies especially, I think, that's a very specific mindset of looking at all these different things and going, oh yeah, I've got to piece these together, and I have to have an arc, and I have to have a hero, and I have to have this, and I have to have a, okay,
00:24:18.000And I'm blown away by that, and jealous, because I can't imagine myself ever thinking of anything like that.
00:24:24.000Yeah, no, there's some movies that you just walk out of there, you're like, I'm going to do better at whatever I do today, because I saw that movie.
00:24:33.000Paul Mooney used to always say that when he wanted to write, he would go get entertained.
00:24:37.000He goes, go see a show, go see a live show, go to the movies, he goes, go be entertained, and then you'll write better.
00:24:43.000Yeah, I mean, I thought that when I kind of got into doing more science stuff with my work, rather than just straight stand-up, I realized that, well, if you want to be interesting, like, read interesting things.
00:24:57.000Be interested in interesting things, you know?
00:30:46.000It took him like a half hour, 45 minutes to get to me.
00:30:49.000And I had to kind of, Do you remember when you were in school, in gym class, did you have to do that crab walk thing where your belly's facing the air?
00:30:57.000So I had my left foot just was already like five times its size within like 30 seconds.
00:31:20.000And then he got around to me and was, and like a couple people were trying to help me for a little bit, but it was too steep for anyone to help me.
00:31:28.000So I just kind of had to make it down on my own.
00:31:30.000Once we were at level ground, which took like three hours, um, of just like, it was an exceptionally annoying, uh, I mean, it was painful.
00:31:41.000I'd scoot down for a little bit, and then I'd have to take a break for a few minutes and just roll around in the fetal position in pain.
00:33:21.000I'm not sure if you'd be able to find it or not.
00:33:25.000So they put these metal plates in and kind of screwed in the bigger pieces of the bone that were still there.
00:33:33.000Like where they wanted them to be eventually because it's you can't just put the bone It's like if you if you snap like a candy bar and try to put it together There's all these crumbs and stuff like that missing and so they just kind of put it in place where it was supposed to be and and and they're like well,
00:33:50.000hopefully it just kind of grows back and comes together right and and it did really the real issue was so they The way they did the surgery, they told me ahead of time.
00:34:04.000He's taking his shoes off, ladies and gentlemen.
00:34:12.000So, they said they didn't want to do the surgery at first, because they were like, this is really complicated surgery, but if we don't do it...
00:34:21.000I don't think you're ever going to walk right again.
00:35:20.000When I... At the time I lived in Malibu and my place had like 50 steps and there's no way I could like get up with groceries and everything with two broken feet.
00:35:29.000I could get around on crutches a little bit but I ended up having to spend like three months in my parents basement because I couldn't care for myself or anything so like on top of having to cancel three months of work We don't have a safety net.
00:36:33.000And it ended up taking much longer than that because so about four or five months in I got on the road and then a doctor thought that maybe I was getting just a topical infection and gave me some Stuff that wasn't good enough for the infection.
00:37:13.000Came back, canceled all my work again, came back to L.A. They did a surgery, and I was really thankful that I'd happened to sign up for the health care.
00:37:26.000This was right when the universal health care just came out.
00:37:28.000Otherwise, I'd be bankrupt from it, but it was still, certainly, it was not perfect.
00:40:37.000I was like, I can't do this on my own.
00:40:40.000When they showed me what I had to do, it was, so once I'd get the IVs hooked up, and I'd have to figure out how to get bubbles out of the lines and stuff like that.
00:40:48.000I was Googling, how do you get bubbles out of the lines?
00:40:53.000Then I had to, the first time they showed me what I had to do, I couldn't believe it.
00:40:59.000They're like, now watch this, because you're going to have to do this yourself.
00:41:02.000And then, so this huge hole in my foot was packed full of gauze, and they started pulling out this gauze.
00:41:08.000I didn't know how big the hole was at first, but then it was like one of those magic scarves that kept on coming.
00:41:16.000And then they're like, so you're going to need to take this out, and then look in here, look in your hole, you're going to need to clean it out, and clean off your bone and stuff.
00:42:52.000So then I had this device and a vacuum and I started performing again.
00:42:58.000I'd have to take this vacuum off myself and close up my fucking foothold and then go on stage and perform and then get off and put this vacuum back on.
00:43:40.000No, I had already, I broke my feet during this time, which helped when, like, you don't have a sex drive when both of your feet are broken.
00:43:49.000And then, but when I started getting back into it, like, I remember I brought a girl back to I went back to my hotel when I still had this fucking vacuum on my foot and I was just like, it was fucking awkward.
00:44:04.000And I hadn't had sex in like a year or two, so I'm like trying to figure out how to have sex again.
00:44:08.000I got a fucking vacuum attached to my foothold.
00:44:13.000I mean, what kind of like energy levels did you have?
00:44:15.000It would seem like if you're going through, your body's trying to repair itself for such a long period of time, it has to wear on you, right?
00:44:21.000Yeah, I mean, it was more just the depression of it all and the stress was harder than...
00:44:28.000I was getting plenty of sleep and stuff, but it was a depressing time.
00:44:32.000But ultimately, it was kind of good, in a way.
00:44:43.000I... So, I mean, when I started in Boston, when I started doing comedy, I was, like, fearless.
00:44:49.000I would do, like, the ballsiest stuff, always trying new material, and I just did not give a shit, and I got a lot of attention for it, and I caught some breaks early on.
00:44:59.000And once I started making money and doing The Road, it was like...
00:45:03.000Then you're worried about, like, getting negative comment cards and all this shit, and that's like my livelihood.
00:45:09.000And it was just watering down what I was doing, and I wasn't fearless on stage anymore.
00:45:18.000So after breaking my feet and having three months at my parents' house, it kind of was just like, I don't give a fuck anymore.
00:45:24.000I'm just doing exactly what I want to do.
00:45:26.000And it really created a change in my career.
00:45:31.000I thought that album and the new act that I'm doing now are the best that I've ever been.
00:45:36.000How long ago was the incident and the accident, and how long did it take you to recover?
00:46:09.000That's why I take Kratom before a podcast because there's always a part of my brain that That can't stop thinking about my stupid fucking foot.
00:48:53.000And then as you go up, your hands stay parallel to the floor in front of you.
00:48:57.000So as you go up, you push off with the balls of your feet, not with your heel.
00:49:01.000So as opposed to a regular squat, if you had weight behind your back with a bar, that weight would be on your heel.
00:49:08.000You would actually concentrate on keeping it on your heel.
00:49:12.000Keeping your you know when I do squats like with weight I look up I always look straight up so I make sure that my spine's in alignment But there's a lot of weight on your heel there.
00:49:21.000Yeah, yeah Well, actually that doesn't the weight on the heel that like the heels totally fine It's it's more of a mobility issue and and like all the tendons and stuff like that that they went through during the surgery and all the nerve damage from it So like actually going up on my toes is is one of the harder parts Maybe it'd be a good thing to break everything up in there.
00:50:27.000Okay, she's doing it wrong, because you're actually supposed to go on the balls of your feet, and you're supposed to drop your ass all the way down to the back of your calves.
00:50:39.000People doing YouTube things don't even know how to do it right.
00:50:51.000As he goes down, his heels come off the ground, and then he touches the ground in a circular motion, and then he brings his arms parallel in front of him.
00:51:00.000They're super easy for, like, the first 10, and then 20 gets a little harder, and then 30 gets a little harder, and then 40 gets a little harder.
00:51:08.000And then you start hitting, like, 90, and you go, okay, I got 60 more of these motherfuckers to go, and then, you know...
00:51:40.000Couple friends of mine that were very fit my friend Dan Doty Who was we were doing a TV show up there and he's that he was the cameraman and he was much better Than me at doing these hill things and I was realizing while I was doing like god damn it This is a very specific thing like if you do it all the time If you,
00:51:57.000like, cameramen especially, they get in some really incredible shape and they do these outdoor shows because they're constantly carrying this camera and walking around.
00:52:06.000So if you were doing a show on hiking and you had a guy following you, this guy has to follow you, all the stuff you're doing.
00:52:12.000Plus, he's carrying a big-ass fucking camera.
00:52:15.000As he's sitting there shooting what's supposed to be you doing some impressive thing.
00:53:09.000Fortunately, it was my dominant leg that got hurt, so I think it will keep on recovering well because there's a little more strength to start with.
00:53:17.000But my calf is pretty atrophied and everything.
00:53:20.000So I just also have to get a lot of strength back.
00:53:24.000When I fell out of exercising, I've been a little lazy about it, too.
00:53:29.000Isn't it interesting how easy that is to do?
00:53:31.000Like, even for me, like, I've been exercising my whole life, but if I take a few days off, I know I have to get back to it.
00:54:59.000And then a person gets in an elevator and there's someone in there, like a confederate, an actor, is in there that's like, here, my hands are full.
00:55:11.000And it's either like a hot A cup of coffee or whatever, or a cold drink?
00:55:15.000And the person's like, sure, takes the drink.
00:55:17.000Goes up the elevator, gets off, gives it back to them, you know, says bye, goes in, takes the survey, and then afterwards, and this is what it's actually about, afterwards they go, did you meet anyone on the way in?
00:55:30.000And they're like, actually, I met someone in the elevator, and then they'll be like, so...
00:55:38.000And if they had the hot drink, they would more often describe them as being warm or friendly.
00:55:48.000And if they had the cold drink, they would describe them as cold or distant.
00:55:53.000And the idea is that the way our brains...
00:56:00.000Evolved kind of these higher ideas of what like being distant as a personality trait or whatever means has to be built over this pre-existing kind of five senses kind of software.
00:56:18.000So you call someone like bright or you say we're having a deep conversation or someone's shallow.
00:56:24.000So a lot of these ways in which we describe life is...
00:56:28.000is kind of used through these physical metaphors and I remember when I when I broke my feet I remember thinking The whole fucking world is broken.
00:56:55.000And then I also remember, after I got the second surgery, after the bone infection and stuff, and having to change all this, I remember feeling like...
00:57:40.000It changes the kind of conversations you have because maybe you'll have more enthusiasm or energy or friendliness or whatever it is when you engage with people.
00:57:50.000Yeah, and then you can have two broken feet and they can give you morphine and you can be like, oh, life's fine.
00:58:34.000But edibles help a bit, and the CBDs, I don't know if, I can't tell if the CBDs are helping or not.
00:58:42.000It seems like they do a little bit, but I'm still experimenting with some of that stuff.
00:58:46.000The Kratom, I just, I was just in, I was in Wilmington, North Carolina, doing this Dead Crow Club, and I had When I'm doing lots of stand-up and on my feet in one place is when it seems to have a lot of trouble.
00:59:02.000And I was just bitching about it because it was one of those three days where I was just having a rough few days with it.
00:59:10.000And they were like, you should go to the Kratom bar.
00:59:53.000Is there a real issue that people could die from it?
00:59:55.000What's the LD50? Which is, if people don't know, lethal dose at 50%, meaning that if you give 100 rats a certain amount, 50% of them are going to die at a certain level.
01:00:09.000I haven't done enough research into it.
01:00:12.000And I imagine it's not that well studied, which I understand why the FDA or whatever can't just have companies making who knows what they're putting in a bottle.
01:01:26.000Is there any justification for the Schedule 1 classification?
01:01:29.000Is it something that people need to worry about?
01:01:31.000I mean, if you look at how the DEA just didn't reschedule marijuana, which is, think about it, if you're them, if you reschedule marijuana, it's basically like you're saying, hey, should we just get rid of our own jobs?
01:01:47.000You know, should we just make a law that gets rid of our jobs?
01:01:53.000And that's a cynical way of looking at it.
01:01:55.000That's a cynical way of looking at it.
01:01:56.000The people who aren't aware of the reality of all the facts and statistics, they will look at you and go, well, that's ridiculous hippie bullshit.
01:02:53.000It's, again, one of those things that shouldn't be legal, just like advertising drugs.
01:02:56.000Well, when Nixon scheduled it in the first place, he hired a team of scientists and all of these different politicians and different experts in different fields to advise him.
01:03:10.000And then they advised him to not schedule it, to have it be legal and focus on treatment for things.
01:03:17.000And he was like, nope, we've got to get rid of these hippies.
01:03:22.000And this was something that came out over the last year.
01:03:25.000I don't know if it was the Freedom of Information Act or whatever it was, but they released some papers that showed that what the drug war was truly all about was the civil rights movement and the hippies.
01:03:34.000The anti-war movement and the civil rights movement.
01:03:36.000And that they were trying to attack the leaders of the civil rights movement and the leaders of the anti-war movement.
01:03:42.000And one thing they all had in common was marijuana.
01:04:04.000When you go back and see what that guy did and who he was and what he stood for, it's wow.
01:04:10.000When you're getting impeached or have to resign, wouldn't you go back and look at the things that he did and be like, you know what, maybe we do a redo on that whole presidency and whatever he did, we re-examine that?
01:04:24.000Yeah, all the different things that he was involved in.
01:04:26.000Yeah, they should have gone over every one of his, everything that he passed with a fine-tooth comb.
01:05:51.000And really, some of these things shouldn't be taken much more seriously than tarot cards, but it does do a nice job.
01:05:58.000So you ask people questions like, do you consider yourself a clean person?
01:06:03.000Like, strongly agree, strongly disagree, wherever in between.
01:06:06.000And so you're filling out questions like that, and that's how it's kind of determining.
01:06:10.000And it's self-evaluation, which there's problems there.
01:06:12.000Or there's a website called Apply Applesauce.
01:06:16.000You go to it and plug it in, and it goes through everything you've liked on Facebook and kind of determines your personality traits based on that.
01:06:24.000So if you're really low on openness, you're like the kind of person that's always been in their hometown, kind of, why go anywhere else?
01:06:45.000And one thing that psychedelics have been pretty well studied to do now is that a single dose of psychedelics will, for a good amount of time, often a year, sometimes for the rest of your life, you'll be more open.
01:06:58.000You'll rate higher in openness for the rest of your life.
01:07:01.000So people were doing more psychedelics at this time.
01:07:31.000And starting to question authority, I think it did play a little bit of a factor in a little bit of the civil rights movement.
01:07:39.000So you think this was a conscious decision by the powers that be to try to limit psychedelics because they were worried specifically about people becoming more open?
01:07:47.000No, I don't think that they understood that's what was happening.
01:07:51.000I think that psychedelics had this effect.
01:07:53.000I don't think the government knows a lot.
01:07:58.000There's quite a lot of tests that went on, especially with LSD, with the military, and then of course there was the Harvard, the very famous Harvard LSD studies, which, there's a good argument, created Ted Kaczynski.
01:08:26.000He was probably crazy already, but he went to Berkeley, became a professor, hoarded off all his money, just saved enough money to implement his plan, and then bought that little cabin in the woods and started killing people who were involved in technology.
01:08:38.000Because he was convinced, because of his LSD trips, And really, he's right.
01:08:43.000Well, he was an exceptionally bright guy.
01:08:46.000That was what was kind of peculiar and very scary about him.
01:08:58.000His brother recognized the manifesto and probably is thinking it might be his brother anyway because when his brother came back from the LSD trips apparently he was absolutely convinced that technology was going to be the end of mankind that we had to stop in its tracks.
01:09:13.000That it was this like Trojan horse and that people were creating all this technology but he was extrapolating.
01:09:18.000He was seeing the future and seeing everything.
01:09:49.000Well, so to clarify, just so I'm not coming off like I think it's a conspiracy, I don't think the government knew any of this stuff.
01:09:56.000I don't think anyone knew a lot of these effects.
01:09:58.000I think a lot of these cultural memes or laws that happen is just kind of something that just kind of happened, an idea that was stumbled upon, that just kind of ended up working in the interest of the lawmakers.
01:10:12.000So I think people happened to start taking...
01:12:04.000I mean, I feel like I've tried a bunch of different strains and I can't find anything that...
01:12:09.000I like to, at the end of the night, have a hit of weed if I'm by myself and watch a movie or something like that.
01:12:15.000Or if I'm just hanging out with a friend watching a movie.
01:12:18.000In a social situation, the reason why I wouldn't want to smoke weed before doing this podcast is because I would worry that I would get in my head too much and be overanalyzing things.
01:12:31.000Well, also, when you're doing something like this, it's being broadcast.
01:12:36.000Like, if you and I were just hanging out and we smoked a joint together, we could say ridiculous shit and go, how dumb did that sound?
01:12:42.000That's one of the things that we've done on this podcast a million times, just...
01:13:07.000For me, there's a real big difference, particularly with the Cushes, any serious Indicas.
01:13:15.000They have almost a narcotic effect on me.
01:13:18.000I enjoy it, but it's not what I would smoke before I would go on stage.
01:13:23.000See, when I, now I, so, here's the other problem, I guess, with my, the way that I smoke.
01:13:29.000When I first started, when I first got my medical marijuana card, went into this amazing, the first time you walk into a dispensary, it's like, yes, oh my god, the future!
01:14:03.000One hit and I am out or I'm like crazy paranoid.
01:14:07.000So now what I do is I just get, usually if I'm going to get weed rather than edibles, I just get stuff out of the shake jar that's like five bucks a gram or whatever.
01:15:14.000Is how it's measured and there seems to be like a little difference in between Brands and stuff, but I know 5 milligrams nothing 10 milligrams just kind of feel a little good 15 milligrams.
01:15:30.000I'm really high and I don't do more than that I took 10 sprays And then did a podcast, and I was shitting my pants.
01:15:38.000I think I might have done 12. I might have done 12. 12 sprays, and I did a podcast where the whole time I was doing the podcast, I was skiing downhill, just hoping I didn't have to change.
01:15:48.000Like, hoping I didn't have to turn or avoid another skier.
01:15:58.000Yeah, I've been high on stage probably 20 times in my...
01:16:02.000I've been in comedy for like 12 years or something like that.
01:16:05.000And I probably had 10 of those times where I felt like I was giggly and having fun and it helped the show.
01:16:13.000And then I had 10 of those times where I... It was just like, I couldn't think straight, I couldn't remember anything, and it's just not worth the risk for me.
01:17:03.000You know what was a heartbreaker for me?
01:17:04.000Somebody told me he doesn't really know what he's talking about, that he just comes up with these really obscure references because they work well in a joke form.
01:17:51.000And I have plenty of movie references and stuff now, but it seems like a lot of the quote-unquote smart comedy these days is just movie references.
01:19:07.000So I don't know what the actual penalties will be for, but yeah, I think it will be a Schedule 1. So then they have to establish penalties.
01:19:14.000But do they establish penalties based on science?
01:19:16.000I mean, do they have any logic behind what they're saying?
01:19:39.000I don't think we're doing great science with our prison system in any way.
01:19:44.000Yeah, the whole thing is just One person telling another person what they can and cannot put in their body, where you can't demonstrate that it's hurting anybody else but that person.
01:19:54.000To me, that's like, okay, if that's the case, well, why is it okay to rock climb?
01:19:58.000Because rock climbing is obviously dangerous.
01:20:20.000The pain's so intense that they trip like they do with this during ceremonies.
01:20:24.000You can run a marathon and get into a transcendental state because your body's going through such torture that it goes into this different part of your brain that pushes you through it.
01:20:36.000And, um, I mean, you can hallucinate from lack of sleep.
01:20:39.000Uh, For like six months of my life, I was trying to do the thing where every two hours you sleep for like 20 minutes or whatever.
01:22:54.000The thing was, if you didn't follow the schedule really strictly is when you'd get fucked.
01:22:59.000So if I did end up having some drinks or something like that and hanging out with friends and not doing that nap, or if I was at work and I wouldn't get my break when I was supposed to, it would really fuck me up.
01:23:11.000And I started hallucinating when I was driving.
01:23:13.000I fell asleep behind the wheel once and almost crashed my car, went into a ditch and was able to drive out of it.
01:23:20.000And so I put an end to that experiment.
01:23:22.000But yeah, I couldn't believe I did it for as long as I did.
01:23:25.000Looking back on it, it's like, it didn't seem that crazy to me at the time.
01:23:46.000But by doing it in these long stretches where two hours, then 20 minutes, two hours, then 20 minutes, you never really get into, like, heavy REM sleep or...
01:24:57.000But I know of several people who do kundalini yoga who have also done DMT. And they say that through kundalini practice, when you get deep into it on a regular basis, when you do it daily, you can achieve DMT-like states on the natch.
01:25:38.000It was like a little more controlled, and I could pop out of it anytime that I wanted to, but that was like four...
01:25:45.000I mean, it would take me, like, five minutes to get into it.
01:25:49.000And then, within five minutes, I mean, I had music playing inside of my head and, like, these crazy, like, DMT stories happening in different worlds that I was seeing and, like, palaces and, like, other areas with, like, scary weird clowns and stuff like that.
01:26:07.000I was, I mean, it was the best trip of my life.
01:26:12.000Because I did float tanks a couple times just sober, and I never really saw anything.
01:26:16.000I didn't like hallucinate or anything.
01:26:18.000It was just kind of like meditation on steroids, I felt like.
01:26:20.000It is definitely like meditation on steroids, but float tanks are something where the more comfortable you get with the experience, the easier you slip into it.
01:26:29.000So the quicker you slip into it, like when I go into it, I've done it so many times now because it's in my house, that I lay down and my body goes up.
01:27:02.000And did it bring on hallucinations for you as well?
01:27:05.000I've had the strongest hallucinations, honestly, is from too much edibles.
01:27:09.000I've had too much edibles where I went into the tank where I just got to like, oh my god, I'm gonna die!
01:27:15.000And you get in there and I just have had full-blown...
01:27:18.000I had this one insane, intense experience where I... Felt like I was in a jungle, like I was in a jungle, and I was walking through the jungle with these people, and they were all speaking a language, and I understood the language.
01:27:33.000And in my mind, I was thinking in their language, and then I realized it.
01:27:42.000But for the brief few moments where it happened, I mean, I could remember feeling the dew on the ground and feeling the leaves under my feet and walking through the jungle with these people.
01:27:55.000There's a lot of folks that believe that the reason why we have instincts, the reason why, you know, like an animal comes out of its mother's body immediately goes to the breast and instinctively starts sucking, that there's certain data that's just encoded in our body.
01:28:10.000And what it comes from is the experiences of all the different beings that existed before us that bred and eventually became us.
01:28:18.000That this is just mass database of Experiences of all your ancestors and they're all sort of collected together.
01:28:24.000So the idea is that occasionally you can tap into some distant memory that's locked in like, oh, look what I found!
01:28:35.000And you open up what's essentially your DNA's high school yearbook from some, you know, fucking sub-Saharan experience when you were half a monkey person.
01:28:45.000Yeah, like memory stored in DNA or something like that.
01:28:49.000So that's, I mean, my scientific mind would just say that, you know, genes that are set up to have this inclination to suck on your mother's tits end up being passed on easier and whatnot.
01:30:01.000All of life, like, going all the way back to...
01:30:05.000So I saw, like, all these different battles and stuff, and, like, my ancestors, and then it went all the way back to, like, being monkeys and all that, and it went back to, like, this first little plant seed, like, springing, sprouting,
01:31:59.000They tortured these little meeses, zapped their feet with that citrus spray in the air, and then there's a clear indication that that memory of that smell being attached to danger was transmitted to their children.
01:32:59.000So it's one of those things where Maybe other things are stored in other parts of the body.
01:33:06.000We just assume that the very body itself doesn't have some sort of memory.
01:33:11.000But when you talk to people that have limbs that have been removed, they have phantom itches and things along those lines, that's one explanation for that phenomenon, is that you have a memory.
01:33:22.000Your actual tissue has a memory of that limb.
01:33:49.000Females in lower income places or in lower parts of the social kind of hierarchy in humans will tend to have and there's all these different species that have where the species can kind of pick depending on the environment whether it's going to be a male or female.
01:34:07.000So lower status females tend to have Daughters more and like the kings that are higher status tend to have more sons because sons if they're doing very well have the opportunity to mate a bunch and spread their genes on quite a bit more but a female even if it's like a lower status female or low income or whatever female can always have like at least a couple children whereas a lot of men get kind of our evolutionary dead ends you know if a dude's brought up poor he's gonna have
01:34:58.000I just, yeah, I can't conceptualize how it would work.
01:35:02.000I've read other studies like that, and I don't know enough about them, haven't read enough about them.
01:35:07.000Why can't you conceptualize why there would be a strong connection between that smell, which was always followed by an electrocution, that it somehow would be stored in the DNA of the animal, which would be a smart thing to pass on to the children.
01:35:21.000Rupert Sheldrake had an example about this, where he was talking about children In inner cities, they're not afraid of car accidents or murder or bank robbers or real threats.
01:35:36.000They're worried about monsters, even though they don't ever see monsters.
01:35:39.000They're worried about monsters in the closet.
01:35:40.000And he correlated it to an ancient fear of cats.
01:35:46.000Like jaguars, and leopards, and lions, and things that kill people forever.
01:35:50.000And that, at night, these things with big teeth that hide in the dark and wait to get you, the monsters.
01:35:55.000Which, you know, there's a video of this guy where a lion, or a tiger, rather, charges him.
01:36:56.000But I think that there's a physiological reaction where your body's thinking that it's been poisoned, which it kind of has been in a little bit of a way.
01:37:06.000And I think that maybe in the non-conscious, there's this projection of...
01:37:15.000In your ancestral past, if you're poisoned, it's probably because of a snake or some parasite or bacteria or something like that.
01:37:22.000So maybe that, because that is, like you say, maybe stored in the DNA or in the memory somehow, even if you've never ran into a snake, perhaps you would hallucinate one if your body thinks that you've been poisoned, being like, what happened here?
01:37:37.000And kind of running through a simulation of what must have happened.
01:38:03.000That's, you know, oh, well, you're troubled by your Yeah, you and your cousin have this tension, and the last time you saw them, you saw a lizard.
01:38:20.000I mean, the idea that we can dream and I can have a dream where I'm making up all of these people or people that I know and doing perfect impressions of them in maybe different languages that you don't normally know.
01:38:34.000And you do it all without even realizing you're doing it.
01:39:05.000I mean, it's got to have something to do with DMT. They don't know for sure, but they do believe that when you're in heavy REM sleep, your brain's producing all this DMT. Now that they know, now that the Cottonwood Research Foundation has done those studies on rats, where they've proven that live rats are producing dimethyltryptamine in their pineal gland,
01:39:23.000they know that this is actually the source of it, right?
01:39:27.000Before, it was all just anecdotal evidence.
01:39:29.000Now that they know that, It's totally possible that once testing measures get better and they can figure out how to detect things at a more accurate rate, they are eventually going to do studies on people that are asleep.
01:39:41.000And they're going to be able to measure your DMT levels and where it's coming from and when it spikes.
01:39:46.000You know how they're starting to be able to do things now where they can show you images and you can receive those images in your visual cortex?
01:39:57.000Yeah, I have to think that eventually they're going to be able to interpret whatever kind of dream data is going on in your head, at least in some sort of crude form.
01:40:34.000Oh, yeah, and it shows you the people around you who are dreaming like you.
01:40:37.000Yeah, and this is, like, 2 million people have downloaded this, and you can find out what other people are dreaming about, kind of, like, based on a map.
01:40:43.000And I think the person that was in here that was talking about it said that they're finding out people are dreaming about the same things at the same times all over the world, or...
01:41:21.000You can now show them, you can give them MRIs, show them pictures of certain words that are useful, like bathroom or whatever it might be, and then it can determine what part of the brain is lighting up when they are thinking of a bathroom.
01:41:39.000And then you can hook them up and they can just concentrate on the word bathroom and then it will know that they're saying bathroom.
01:41:50.000Stephen Hawking just hates using new technology and shit.
01:41:57.000That's why his voice is still fucking shittier than my GPS. He likes old computers.
01:42:02.000Yeah, he just doesn't like learning new technology stuff, even though that's what gets him around and talks for him and everything.
01:42:10.000He's like, ah, who needs that new shit?
01:42:13.000But yeah, so once we can map the brain and figure out...
01:42:18.000I mean, yeah, that's the dream, to DVR, like, dreams or a DMT trip or something like that, and then slow it down.
01:42:27.000Because it's a DMT trip, there's just a billion things happening all at once, and it's impossible to articulate.
01:42:33.000I don't think you're ever going to be able to slow it down, because I think we look at it in terms of what we would see in normal reality.
01:42:38.000Like, if you had a scene that you could, like, say when...
01:42:42.000You know, you were 15, you hit a home run in a Little League game, and you remember it so clearly because you were the hero.
01:42:49.000You came back, everybody carried you around on your shoulders.
01:42:51.000If you could go back and replay that over and over again, if you had a recording of it in your mind, and you could go back and see it in real time and replay it, it would all make sense.
01:42:59.000You'd see the grass moving in the breeze.
01:43:01.000You would see the clouds floating gently overhead.
01:43:05.000You'd see people talking and laughing in the stands.
01:43:08.000It would all make sense because it's all references and things that exist in this dimension, in this plane.
01:43:15.000The problem with DMT is if you took even one hundredth of the images that you're seeing, just a little corner of it, and just looked at it and tried to examine what the fuck it is, it's a Constantly changing geometric pattern that's somehow intelligent.
01:43:29.000And it's fractal-like, too, so to zoom in...
01:45:43.000His dick was out, actually, come to think of it.
01:45:48.000But, yeah, I mean, if I was doing ayahuasca, or if I was giving someone ayahuasca, I would be bowing to them for being brave enough to try it.
01:45:57.000Yeah, how weird that he made you kneel in front of him.
01:48:10.000One, when your life flashes before your eyes, it's not like some, hey, let's just have a quick, fond, nostalgic run through what our life was and visit some old memories.
01:48:21.000This is your brain going like, do we have anything for this situation?
01:48:25.000Have we seen a TV show that will get us out of this?
01:49:01.000With your eyes closed in the darkness?
01:49:03.000The first little bits of consciousness.
01:49:05.000So you think the first little bits of consciousness might be tripping?
01:49:07.000Yeah, like these kind of fractal-like structures.
01:49:12.000I think fractals are, I mean, fractals you're able to put a finite, you're able to fit infinity into a finite space somehow.
01:49:20.000It's the weird counterintuitive thing about fractals.
01:49:26.000But if you were, if you made packets of information that were fractal-like, that would be a great way to transport information or like transport ideas into I think.
01:49:36.000And so I think that could be the very origins of consciousness.
01:49:40.000And then when we came out, we were seeing this, but it was all like a blob.
01:49:43.000You didn't see like walls or pictures or like you didn't understand sound.
01:49:47.000It was just a blob of information coming at you that you...
01:50:52.000You went to a place where you're not even supposed to see this yet.
01:50:55.000I haven't necessarily felt it that much myself either, other than I felt like I, you know, I've forgotten that I'm a human that smoked DMT. I'm just like a different thing entirely.
01:51:05.000To unpack this a little bit, though, for people that are like, these fucking hippies, what are they yapping about?
01:51:09.000The brain does produce endogenous psychedelic chemicals.
01:51:13.000It produces 5-methoxy-DMT, it produces NN-dimethyltryptamine, two super potent psychedelic drugs the brain produces and we don't understand why.
01:51:21.000It's entirely possible that if the adult human brain produces it, that a baby's brain produces it as well.
01:51:26.000So if it's in that womb state, which is in a lot of ways sort of like a sensory deprivation tank, but with of course the feeling and the cortisol effect of the mother and the oxytocin and all the all the different hormones and Responding directly to the stress of the mother.
01:51:43.000There's a lot going on with the the body inside the body, right?
01:51:47.000But we should assume that those brains are experiencing what we know to be possible in the human mind which is psychedelic chemicals and And I've seen actual dreams on DMT trips, like a regular dream, like you're used to having, which is unusual because that's nothing what the normal DMT world looks like.
01:52:05.000So you mean while you're taking DMT or while you're dreaming?
01:52:07.000Because I've had dreams where you go into the DMT world.
01:52:15.000I've smoked DMT, and then I'd see a guy walking down a hall holding a box, and then I'd look at him, and he'd look at me and be like, uh-oh, and then start twitching like there was a glitch in the metrics,
01:52:34.000And then he'd just reach back and grab the wall and pull it and it would be like this veil that then it became the whole world and started like the DMT space that you're more familiar with.
01:52:46.000If you could sell that in a virtual reality environment, like here's the game.
01:52:50.000You wake up, you're in a classroom, you lift your head up like, oh, I must have fallen asleep in class and everybody left me here.
01:53:09.000They're going to be able to figure out a way to create a virtual.
01:53:12.000It's one of the things that actually McKenna believed, that they were going to be able to figure out how to create a virtual DMT world, which would give people the DMT experience without actually taking DMT. Mm-hmm.
01:53:22.000Is that your brain would somehow or another synchronize with this virtual world and you would have a full-blown DMT trip.
01:53:45.000You know, that virtual reality was going to blow up and going to be huge, but it took a long time until recently where the technology caught up to the concept.
01:54:00.000The same guy that made the pack that goes in water and then shoots the air, he made a board that you stand on that uses fans, and he hovers like...
01:54:33.000And what they're doing right now is they're using it, and the guy stands on it like a skateboard, and he sort of slides around on things, and it's only a couple inches off the ground, but it's clearly floating.
01:55:32.000See how it's so, all that air that's coming out of the bottom, that's the liquid nitrogen.
01:55:36.000So, I think Lexus is assuming that this technology, sort of like Back to the Futures shit, that this technology is eventually how we're going to get around with cars.
01:55:46.000And one of the interesting things about that, if they really do figure out how to do this, if we get around in cars that are not connected to the ground with wheels, even though there will be momentum as we collide with each other if we fuck up, it won't have nearly the same kind of impact, because you won't have the friction of the road that makes the vehicle absorb the energy of the other It'll absorb it a little bit and then bounce you back.
01:57:43.000That's like a 5x5 space that he just landed dead center.
01:57:47.000And he landed right next to two guys that were so confident they just stood there while he's flying around on what looks like, it's like a box.
01:58:55.000But one of the things that I've always thought was incredible is like, if you live like Marina Del Rey or something like that, and you have a boat, and you hop out in your boat, you just go out into another world.
01:59:52.000It's a giant squid that they found in Mexico, and it was a camera that was attached to one of those oil rigs.
01:59:59.000So they were essentially just checking the oil rig, and there was this thing that was floating right next to the oil rig, this really freaky-looking alien squid that has, like, crab legs.
02:00:12.000Like, really bizarre, like, obvious bends to the legs.
02:01:42.000Like, I was talking about how your brain perceives things as metaphors.
02:01:46.000Everything that's, like, getting high is good or you're feeling, like, up rather than down is bad, you know, and hell's under the earth and heaven's up in the clouds and stuff.
02:02:22.000You can hop in a helicopter, you can fly over the Big Island of Hawaii, and you can actually watch the island grow, because the island grows something like a foot a day or something like that.
02:02:31.000You can literally see the lava come out of the chutes and go into the ocean and create new land.
02:02:41.000And you're flying over this helicopter, the helicopter, rather, you're flying over this volcano, and you look down into lava.
02:02:49.000You see the very center of the earth oozing out of its zit, out of this weird surface, which has created the entire Hawaiian island chain, by the way.
02:02:57.000The entire Hawaiian island chain is just volcanoes.
02:03:01.000Volcanoes in the middle of the ocean that erupted millions of years ago and poked their way through the top, and they're constantly growing and changing.
02:03:09.000Reality is far more interesting than what humans were able to make up in their wildest fantasies of trying to explain what was happening.
02:03:17.000Well, once we get a grip on reality, or we get a good account of reality, then you can get pretty creative with your imagination.
02:03:30.000The idea that there's hundreds of billions of galaxies out there and that each one of them has, you know, infinite possibilities about what kind of planets are on there, how far they are from their stars, how many stars are in the solar system, what else is out there in terms of life,
02:03:45.000what are the possibilities of things surviving out there.
02:03:48.000They think it's possible that some living things could maybe even survive in space detached from a planet.
02:03:54.000I mean, even the reality of evolution, like, right, I mean, when you get far enough into it and you look at all these different examples, it's, the reality of evolution is actually crazier than, like, there was a God and he had a son named Jesus.
02:04:43.000I mean, man, just stop and think about the Big Bang.
02:04:48.000If you want to mindfuck yourself, think about the idea that these scientists are proposing that the universe itself, everything that you say, was smaller than the head of a pin, and had infinite mass, and somehow or another exploded and created everything we see in the stars today.
02:05:34.000X amount of billion years just repeats the cycle.
02:05:37.000Yeah, and I mean, I think that our brains are endlessly fascinating, too, just that, I mean, humans like to give themselves a lot of credit, but I think that we have, kind of like the movie Inside Out, I think we have vast universes inside of our head that seem all expansive,
02:05:55.000because I think that Dreams and hallucinating are coming from inside the mind.
02:06:03.000I don't believe that you're connecting with different dimensions and stuff like that, but it certainly looks like it, which means you have, if I'm right, which who knows, then it means that you have this whole multiverse set up just for running all these different tasks, just for walking around and making decisions.
02:06:20.000There's entire universes inside of your head.
02:06:23.000Which is totally possible, but I don't have a position.
02:06:27.000I don't have a position on whether or not it's in my mind or whether or not it's real.
02:06:30.000And I think it's entirely possible that we need to consider the possibility that everything that's in your mind, everything that's imaginary, is actually real.
02:06:40.000Meaning that the imagination is responsible for every single thing any human has ever done.
02:06:45.000Every car that's ever been built, every podcast that's ever been made, every television that's ever been designed, all of that has come out of the imagination.
02:06:53.000The imagination is this strange force inside of human, quote-unquote, consciousness that living physical, or not living, but solid physical things come from.
02:07:04.000Literally, it's the seed of these solid physical things.
02:07:07.000So when we say that we're imagining or hallucinating that we're experiencing some divine entity that comes to us from another dimension and explains the universe, the nature of reality...
02:07:20.000It's entirely possible that that is a hallucination, meaning that physical thing, you can't kidnap it, you can't throw a net on it and bring it back from the wormhole and plop it down in front of the police department and say, look, I found it!
02:07:36.000But if you went to visit with God, say if someone proved that there is a heaven and that God is real and you can have a brief visit with God and you go to God and you talk to Him and in 15 minutes explains the nature of the universe and love and the concept of positive energy and all these different things,
02:07:55.000Please take this back with you and do what you can to make the world a better place.
02:07:58.000Well, if you have a trip or if you actually go to meet God, Or if you have a trip where you imagine you meet God, the experience is exactly the same.
02:08:08.000I don't think we know what's real and what's not real.
02:08:12.000I think we're super cocky and we're real nervous.
02:08:15.000Like one of the reasons why we get paranoid when we smoke pot is because we start becoming aware of variables that we might have suppressed or chosen to ignore and then we're confronted with them and all of our insecurities and like a cascade, tidal wave sort of a situation where you can't handle all the data that you've been putting aside.
02:10:21.000But it doesn't mean that the trips that you have, these intense, transcendent, psychedelic experiences are hallucinations.
02:10:30.000It doesn't mean that they're not real.
02:10:32.000It means we might be entirely hung up on containing our consciousness and our thinking and our awareness to what we can touch and bang on and pick up and measure and look, I put it on a scale, I know it's real.
02:10:45.000And these physical laws that we've applied to like this reality, what we call reality.
02:10:53.000I think it's entirely possible to me that that might be a limiting factor on how we perceive the universe around us and that it's left over from having to worry about predators and hunting and gathering and we're moving, I believe, slowly away from that.
02:11:49.000I try to be very, very skeptical of my trips because I've seen God in different universes and the whole bit and it seems like as real as anything I've ever experienced did.
02:11:59.000My problem with my memory and perception of it is that it's just such a short amount of time and it's so different and so exciting that I think the brain just automatically...
02:12:53.000There's like these things called jobs and like these entry-level positions and like these hierarchies and you can if you show up on time each day you can establish yourself in this hierarchy you know and then and you'd if you went in on different days it would seem like a different world like I thought I had it all figured out but then I was like this person that was in a cube typing away and then you think you have that figured out and then you hit a casual Friday and We're like,
02:13:41.000That your reality is different than his reality, than my reality, than another person's reality.
02:13:47.000Then what you were talking about before being how the way you view the world and how the world seems to you is more fucked up when you're hurt.
02:13:56.000It might entirely be possible that when you make good decisions, when you decide to take care of your body, when you decide to eat healthy, when you decide to meditate or do yoga or practice mindfulness or set out an intention for your day and say, you know,
02:14:11.000today I'm not going to complain about anything.
02:14:13.000You know, I'm going to show up on time.
02:14:25.000It chooses to exercise that sort of a protocol, chooses to go forth with a list of things that they're going to, this is how I'm going to treat life, this is how I'm going to think about life, and I'm going to be fluid while I'm doing it, but I'm not going to allow all these things that I know to be detrimental aspects of life.
02:14:43.000I'm not going to allow those in if I can help it.
02:14:46.000Just doing that changes the world, right?
02:14:48.000I mean, it literally changes your world.
02:14:51.000And I think it's entirely possible that what you're talking about when you're saying that when you're enthusiastic and you're embracing the psychedelic experience, that it's possible that your brain creates all this new stuff.
02:15:28.000And I know there's something special about sounds and music.
02:15:32.000There's a special connection between creative sounds that people have put together and concocted and put together in some sort of a beautiful song.
02:15:42.000There's a response that the body has to those.
02:15:45.000If you're on a treadmill and a great song comes on, you feel like you could run faster.
02:17:39.000And I actually think that music altering the psychedelic State or world or perception or whatever you want to say is like I listen to this band Spongle that makes music specifically for DMT I think that that's one of my rants really as a Spongle song has this long rant where me and Jim Brewer were so barbecued on pot lollipops and this is like the
02:18:09.000early 2000s Some guy called in and he asked us a question about something about DMT and I went on this crazy rant about DMT. And they put it in a song.
02:18:24.000I wouldn't want to hear that while I'm tripping.
02:18:27.000I don't like when there's words in their songs.
02:18:41.000See, to me, the fact that a different song, and I'll see a different story, and it's pretty predictable.
02:18:47.000I'll play this song again, and I know I'm going to see this purple woman dancing around or whatever.
02:18:53.000And the fact that that influences that perception, that world that you're in, is more of an indicator to me that it's coming from within your head and not...
02:19:07.000Transporting you to a different dimension or making you perceive a different dimension because why would it influence that dimension?
02:19:13.000A better example, I smoked DMT once and I had my dog jumped on my lap while I was on a DMT trip and then it came into my DMT trip like all colorful and in codes and stuff and then I saw like kind of a bit of a dream state of Of where I would...
02:19:34.000I saw myself setting my dog down, but I was like sitting in a different spot.
02:19:39.000I was at the kitchen table, and it's where my dog would normally jump on my lap and where I'd normally be like, no, and sit down.
02:19:46.000And so it was like accessing that part of that brain that has the memory like, this is when we put the dog down.
02:19:55.000I see lots of things like that, like these exemplars, like these kind of...
02:20:04.000Prototype objects that your brain is using to retrieve, like if you're gonna throw a frisbee, I think that you're accessing this ideal frisbee throw in your mind.
02:20:16.000You can probably close your eyes and picture it right now.
02:20:18.000And I think that that's in there, like these prototypes that our brain draws off of, because I've seen that on a DMT trip, like a silhouette of a perfect frisbee throw, and then the guy's like, You might be
02:20:53.000It's entirely possible that everything is connected and that when you are imagining things in the DMT realm, you're imagining things in another dimension and they're happening in that dimension because your imagination can create things in that bizarre, detached from your body world that you experience under intense psychedelic states.
02:23:14.000What I logically and objectively Feel like it's possible that it was the ego trying to regain control by like activating distress and like physical worry sort of intentions.
02:23:30.000Like worry about strangers, worry about random crime or accidents or things along those lines.
02:23:36.000You know, that it was like, my brain was like, hey, the world's a hard fucking place.
02:23:39.000You know, it's like the conservative right-wing aspect of the mind sort of kicks in tenfold.
02:23:55.000But here's my take on it, is that DMT is too perfect.
02:24:00.000Like, everything's too perfect in there and symmetrical.
02:24:04.000Like, it would take, say, this world that we know is a simulation, it would take far more computational power than To put all these little flaws in.
02:24:12.000To put like a spill on the coffee table or whatever.
02:24:15.000It was 11 billion years since the Big Bang and 4 billion years of evolution.
02:24:20.000All to get this fucking little spill on a coffee table.
02:24:49.000Maybe the oddity of the coffee spills is what's really strange, and that what DMT represents is the energy that creates the world itself unharnessed, sort of unbridled, unattached to culture, language, physical bodies, anything that we come to accept as being a normal thing.
02:25:07.000I think there's a perfect world simulated within our mind that we're trying to act out on.
02:25:12.000Right, but why make that distinction is the question.
02:25:15.000And not that there's anything wrong with what you're doing versus what I'm doing, but why make a choice that it's in your mind versus What a lot of people like to say, who the fuck knows?
02:25:31.000Objective, scientific, skeptical of my own perceptions, because when I'm in there, I'll come out and be like, I just saw God, no doubt about it.
02:25:39.000Do you feel like, and this is one of the reasons why I'm getting to this line of questions, there's actually a point to it, do you feel like, because I know that you do a lot of stuff with science, and part of your presentation, your comedy show, involves science.
02:25:51.000When you're under the scrutiny, and this is a very good thing, of other scientists and other people that are going to judge what you're saying and making sure that you're correct about your facts, do you find that you tend to be more skeptical or tend to lean towards Occam's razor,
02:26:08.000more acceptable answers, more scientifically plausible, or at least more scientifically acceptable in academic circles.
02:26:18.000I think that, one, my brain just likes working that way anyway.
02:26:23.000I was always a big fan of math and very good at it, and I kind of liked numbers because you could make sense of the world.
02:26:32.000And I would say that I was actually scared to the psychedelic show that I do now.
02:26:37.000I was planning on doing it like five years from now or so.
02:26:40.000I've been sitting on it for like a couple of years, really.
02:26:43.000And I was like, well, once I'm like a bigger name or something, then maybe I'll have the power to go out and do this because I have my podcast.
02:26:51.000I interview scientists each week and I need to reach out to these people.
02:26:54.000I'm like, oh, I don't want them thinking I'm like some burnout or some lunatic or something like that.
02:26:58.000So absolutely, that absolutely factors in my perception of things.
02:27:08.000Also, none of my memories of any of this stuff are reliable.
02:27:12.000You know what would be interesting with the idea you were talking about before, if you scanned someone's brain and then you watched the replay of them hitting a home run or something?
02:27:23.000Well, that memory wouldn't necessarily be accurate.
02:27:25.000In fact, there's a good chance that it wouldn't be.
02:27:28.000And so you could see different people's, how people's memory looks as opposed to what was actually captured on CCTV or whatever it might be, you know?
02:27:40.000Well, as your example, the hot and cold thing, but how all the different factors that sort of are involved and how you feel about things.
02:27:47.000yeah and and just everyone also we're very ego driven we tend to think that we tend to think that we're smarter and more attractive and more skilled driver or whatever yeah you know that do you know the study where they took the faces and they morphed to them like 10 degrees five times and each way to make them more or less attractive so you take your face and I think?
02:28:29.000All of the pictures, all mixed up to a person and give them like a second to pick it or whatever.
02:28:34.000And people predictably will pick the one that's 10-20% more attractive.
02:28:43.000So you think of yourself as like 10-20% Like, around 15% smarter, more attractive, more skilled at driving, whatever it might be, because that gives you the confidence, which is often beneficial in life.
02:28:56.000But you're not thinking 30% more, because now you're delusional.
02:29:10.000And also, one person's perception of you, like objective perception, might be very different.
02:29:15.000Like, you and I might observe someone, and you might come away with a take, like, oh, this guy's this and that, and I'd be like, hmm, I thought he was this or that.
02:29:23.000And then we would discuss it, and then I'd figure out, well, he reminded you of this asshole you used to know, and he reminded me of my best friend from high school, and just weird things, and again, things we bring into how we approach anything.
02:29:39.000I mean, you just can't sit and analyze every little aspect.
02:29:45.000I could sit in this table and really see every single little grain of it if I wanted to, but at some point the brain has to be like, who cares?
02:30:03.000And that's one of the reasons why we chastise people for racism, because we know how easily the inclination to judge people specifically on what they look like is, and how unfair it is.
02:30:12.000You know, and how reminding ourselves over and over again that that's not cool, it like gives the whole culture more of a relaxed feeling.
02:30:26.000It's so bizarre when you think about all the variables and the possibilities of human behavior and how different cultures accept certain things and we look different and we live in different climates.
02:30:36.000We're such an odd fucking creature that's just completely overwhelming this globe.
02:30:41.000Yeah, existence is a bizarre thing that I just, I can't get my head around existence.
02:31:16.000When I started comedy, I used to drink like a lunatic.
02:31:21.000Now I drink more like a normal person.
02:31:25.000When I was my most hungover, which I'd only get four hangovers a year, but when I was as sick as I've ever been, that's when I'd get my best writing done.
02:31:36.000It's like some self-defense mechanism or something like that.
02:31:39.000My brain doesn't operate like that anymore, but...
02:31:42.000Well, I think when you're in periods of extreme emotion or energy or just a transitionary moment in your life, whether it's a breakup or the end of a job or moving to a new place, it sort of kicks in this effect.
02:31:57.000The newness, the novelty of that experience sort of kicks in this effect where you want to express yourself.
02:32:04.000You want to sort of reestablish your point of view on things, your perspective on things.
02:33:08.000And that was the first time I enjoyed music that wasn't a joke.
02:33:12.000My friend Eddie was in a band back in those days, and he was in a metal band, and he was like, that song, that band completely killed metal.
02:33:24.000They completely killed hair bands, like Poison and those kind of bands.
02:33:33.000You know, like, you know, it just seemed like, you know, it's like you had water in your ear, and you got the water out of your ear, and also you could hear, and you could,
02:33:49.000hey man, why don't you stuff your ear up with cotton?
02:34:52.000I remember he had so many tattoos, I was like, oh my god, that guy's ruined his body with all his tattoos.
02:34:57.000I remember thinking that when I was a kid.
02:35:00.000I still have a natural, like, Midwestern aversion to tattoos.
02:35:08.000I think tattoos are, like, I'm starting to grow in appreciation for them, but it's, like, taken me work to get there, and I don't have any myself.
02:35:18.000It's an embracing in the finite aspect of life.
02:35:38.000And then when that comes, you're just going to be concentrating on staying alive.
02:35:42.000I like the idea of having little snapshots from your life.
02:35:46.000Even if, say, your tattoo has nothing to do with anything, just a cool design, you'll still remember that period of your life a little bit more, I think, looking at that tattoo.
02:35:57.000You'll remember when you got it and where you were at that state.
02:40:14.000I just had this very sheltered, wholesome upbringing that fucked with my head because I just knew it wasn't reality and I just tried to do everything that I could to rebel against it.
02:40:27.000What kind of car were you driving when you were running away from the cops?
02:40:30.000I was driving a 95 Honda Civic stick shift.
02:41:20.000I think, who knows, if I was like swerving or whatever else, or you just saw a kid that was, you know, I was like 16, 17 at the time, saw a kid that was out at like 1 in the morning or whatever, and might have done something.