In this episode, Dr. Robert Schock joins me to talk about his upcoming conference, the Conference on Precession and Ancient Knowledge, which is coming up at the end of the week in California. We talk about precession and ancient knowledge, and why it's important to know about it. And we talk about the water erosion on the Sphinx, which was discovered in the late 19th century, and how that may have led to the discovery of precession. We also talk about how precession can be traced back to ancient Egypt, and the theory that precession is actually a part of the solar system, and that it's been going on for thousands of years. And of course, we have a little bit of Ancient Egypt, too! This episode is sponsored by the National Museum of American Astronomy and Space Travel, which you should definitely check out if you don't already have your tickets to the conference. If you're interested in attending the conference, you can get your tickets here. Tickets are available here: Click here to get yours before the conference starts this week! Thanks for listening and share the podcast with your friends and family! Timestamps: 1:00 - What is precession? 4:20 - What does it have to do with Ancient Egypt? 6:40 - How did precession come about? 7:30 - Why is it important? 8:00 What is it matter to us? 9:15 - Why does it matter? 11:30 12: What does precession mean? 13:40 14: How old is it a thing? 15:10 - How old was it really? 16:10 17:50 - When did it fall? 18:50 19:20 How did it fell? 21:30 Is precession first discovered? 22:30 What was precession a factor of ancient knowledge? 27:30 How old? 26:00 Is it possible? 29:30 Does it have a place in our understanding of the past? 30:30 Do we know it? 35: Is it real? 36: What s precession better than the first time? ? 33: What is the difference between precession ? 35 + 36:30 And so on? 39:00 Can precession really exist? 40:00 Do you think it matters?
00:00:19.000If you couldn't get down here, there's got to be a way, so it was nice to be able to do it that way, but much nicer to see you here in person.
00:00:27.000And actually, what's responsible for me being here in person is that I wouldn't actually come all this huge distance even to be on your show.
00:00:37.000Unless you paid me lots of money, of course, which you're not prepared to do.
00:00:41.000But because I have this conference coming up at the end of the week...
00:00:45.000Called CPAC, which I'm surprised you didn't know about, Conference on Precession and Ancient Knowledge, which is the end of this week.
00:00:53.000For those living in Southern California, you might want to take a look at the website.
00:00:58.000Yeah, tell everybody, where is that and what is it about?
00:01:01.000It's Rancho Mirage, which is a great name.
00:01:04.000It means there is no ranch, but Rancho Mirage, which is somewhere near Palm Springs, And it is about exactly what it says, a conference on precession and ancient knowledge, and it questions, to begin with, the whole scenario,
00:01:23.000the standard scenario about what causes precession, which is supposedly a kind of a wobble of the earth caused by nobody knows exactly what.
00:01:33.000And the counter theory is that it isn't that.
00:01:37.000It's that there is a dwarf star of some sort orbiting the sun, upsetting the balance of the celestial mechanical balance of it.
00:01:48.000One way or another there's precession.
00:01:49.000It does make a difference actually in the big picture because it means that our solar system It basically conforms with all of the other solar systems, which mostly are dual in nature.
00:02:02.000Sirius, for example, has the dwarf star that circles around it, Sirius B, that's responsible for all sorts of measurable phenomena.
00:02:11.000So it starts off from there, but then the ancient knowledge comes in because Precession, and this is a big mystery, precession seems to be a factor of virtually every ancient society, be it sophisticated,
00:02:27.000a la China and India, South America, Mesoamerica, or so-called primitive, a word I hate to use.
00:02:34.000It simply means unintellectualized or not expressed in coherent Western philosophy, for whatever that's worth.
00:02:46.000But precession is a known fact discovered actually a long time ago.
00:02:52.000You'd think by now it'd be common knowledge and everybody would teach it in school, which is sort of a joke.
00:02:56.000It's kind of interesting that people don't teach it, right?
00:02:58.000It is a very bizarre thing that it's so prominent in ancient cultures and ancient society that they literally mapped this out, this 26,000-year cycle, this wobble of the earth, and that we rarely talk about it, ever.
00:03:13.000No, because it upsets the notion that there's a knowledge of this going back to ancient times presupposes that there's a very advanced observational astronomy dating at a time when supposedly people were still living in trees.
00:03:28.000So this is actually a big deal, hence the Conference on Precession.
00:03:32.000And the ancient knowledge comes into it because understanding that there is a highly sophisticated scientific knowledge This understanding that goes back not just to ancient Egypt itself but far thousands and thousand millennia beyond upsets what is effectively the reigning religion of today except it doesn't call itself a religion.
00:03:57.000It calls itself science which is based supposedly on reason.
00:04:07.000Well, some science is, but archaeology in particular is very rigid in its ideas, and a lot of it is based on the professors that have written books and that teach these ideas, and they don't want to let them go.
00:04:17.000And when new knowledge is discovered that challenges those ideas, they fight it rigorously, even if it's knowledge like the stuff that you exposed with Dr. Ron Schock, Robert Schock, rather, which was the water erosion on the Sphinx.
00:04:31.000Which we were talking about before the podcast, which is one of the best pieces of evidence, because the last time there was rainfall, heavy rainfall in the Nile Valley was, what was it, 9000 BC? Is that what it was?
00:04:42.000They debate it, but anyway, it's way before the beginning of...
00:05:03.000When I first got shock over to Egypt, which is a...
00:05:07.000Another two-hour podcast in itself, the history of getting Jacques interested in this stuff.
00:05:12.000And when he finally agreed, very hesitantly and very skeptically, to come along because he had to see the evidence for himself, and I scraped together a bit of money to bring him over.
00:05:27.000I think we bribed our way in very early in the morning.
00:05:30.000Well, in Egypt, everything is possible.
00:05:32.000And bribed our way in and he walked into the Sphinx enclosure.
00:05:36.000Actually, when we get that up on the screen, you'll see the level of the water or the extent of the weathering of the water weathering.
00:05:46.000And Schock looked at it, and everybody else walks into the Sphinx enclosure and has this, actually, this shock of recognition in the presence of this fabulous work of sacred sculpture, in fact, of sacred sculpture.
00:06:01.000And Schock looked, but Schock is a, no, that's not, it was way back, Jamie, right to the beginning, first slides.
00:06:10.000And Schock Everybody else sees the Sphinx as a work of art.
00:06:28.000Because that's, of course, absolute heresy, that the most spectacular sculpture on earth should be tens of thousands of years.
00:06:36.000Actually, even the 4,500 years that it's associated with Do not conform with anybody's idea of how civilization developed.
00:06:47.000This goes back to your—of why the academic, I call it the quackademic establishment, is so— It passionately defends the old paradigm the way that it does because the reigning paradigm,
00:07:06.000the reigning religion today, which is not acknowledged as religion, is that this is the church of progress.
00:07:13.000And it's credo, just like the virgin birth is the credo of early Christianity or present-day Christianity, not that they know what they're talking about.
00:07:25.000The credo of the Church of Progress is, A, we are the most sophisticated human beings that have ever lived on the face of the planet with our hydrogen bombs and our nerve gas and our striped toothpaste and our Disney lands.
00:07:40.000And secondly, that progress, as it's called, goes in a straight line from primitive cavemen up to ourselves.
00:07:48.000And when it becomes self-evident, That in very, very ancient times, they had knowledge of precession, which is an incredible thing too.
00:08:00.000It's almost unimaginable that it happens through Careful observation because the Sun, I don't know if all of the audience will know what this is, so maybe it's worth talking about.
00:08:15.000The Sun, if you look at the spring equinox now, the Sun is rising against the last bits of Pisces.
00:08:27.000It may even be in the earliest stages of Aquarius.
00:08:32.000And gradually the Sun precesses, that's to say it goes backwards around the zodiac in a cycle that takes 25,000 canonically, 25,920 years to make a complete circle.
00:08:45.000What this means is that it actually takes 72 years, precisely, for the Sun to precess one degree.
00:09:10.000It's somehow or another deeply connected with the civilization of that time and with our civilization.
00:09:17.000When you look at the numbers involved, this is another hours of conversation actually.
00:09:23.000The 72 and the 73 are significant numbers in practically all of the developed numerologically based societies.
00:09:31.000So, in Egypt, Seth, who's the bad guy, derivative probably Satan is derived from Seth.
00:09:39.000He's the bad guy, but he's also a great god.
00:09:41.000That is to say, the gods are not gods in any superstitious fashion.
00:09:45.000They represent the embodiments of cosmic principles.
00:09:49.000So, excuse me, set is he who fixes spirit and matter.
00:09:55.000And the whole basis of any esoteric doctrine, including most of the religions that are around even today in their depraved forms, The objective of any esoteric discipline is to free ourselves individually and collectively from our imprisonment in matter.
00:10:16.000And so in some sense or another, That processional cycle is very important and the numbers are important in the myth, which again we don't have time for, but Osiris is the good king.
00:10:30.000Actually, this is all very carefully expounded, very brilliantly in fact, in the Hamlet myth, which becomes Shakespeare's Hamlet, and then in the Lion King, in Disney's Lion King, the movie especially, which is really pretty brilliant.
00:10:45.000Anyway, Set is the good king who is beloved by his people, and Set is his wicked brother, his evil brother, who is determined to unseat him and steal his sister wife Isis while he's at it.
00:10:59.000Anyway, Set sets a trap for Osiris, and it's Set and his 72 followers.
00:11:06.000So 72 is this number associated with time, and the 72 to 73 is a very significant Ratio, actually, which pervades the philosophies of, as I said, of all of the esoteric civilizations.
00:11:21.000So all of this stuff, instead of being the kind of...
00:11:29.000Ask a quackademic, the same guy you were talking about earlier who still thinks the six is weathered by sand.
00:11:35.000Ask one of those what ancient myth is about.
00:11:38.000They say, oh, well, it's just a fabrication written by primitive people who are trying to explain the mysteries of the universe.
00:11:45.000The primitive people are the ones with the PhDs.
00:11:48.000And back then, not only did they understand these scientific, these astronomical facts, but they...
00:11:59.000They orchestrated their whole civilization around those facts, and the deeper you get into this, the more miraculous the extent of ancient knowledge becomes.
00:12:11.000Now, what is the mainstream explanation when they talk about the prevalence of the number 72 and their understanding of the procession of the equinoxes?
00:13:10.000I've never really looked that deeply into it other than that there's a friend of mine who's worked with the proportions and the sophisticated proportions of the Parthenon and it shows actually that it's as minutely orchestrated as anything in Egypt,
00:13:29.000even though it's much later than Egypt.
00:13:31.000Much later than Egypt, but no one knows who built it and no one knows why they built it.
00:13:34.000It's one of those weird ones where it's not really described in the text and the Acropolis is built upon it.
00:13:41.000At least that's not explained to me by Greek historians, by people who understand Greek history.
00:13:45.000They just really don't understand where it came from.
00:13:47.000Well, I believe that's true, except that I think it's pretty certain that it's not of Egyptian age, although if you're talking about gigantic paving stones at the bottom of it, I don't know.
00:13:59.000But whenever you see those gigantic stones, that's a pretty good indication of an earlier period of construction.
00:14:07.000As at Baalbek, they have these monolithic 1,200-ton blocks that they think the Romans put in there.
00:14:21.000Indirect evidence, and when you put it all together, you get, there's enough of a picture there so that it overthrows the basis.
00:14:31.000As I said, what's important about it is, in one sense, who cares?
00:14:34.000In another sense, it overthrows The supposed scientific basis of the Church of Progress, that we're the most sophisticated people that ever were and we can do whatever we please with this once glorious planet of ours without worrying about it because we're the best and everyone before us was primitive.
00:14:52.000Well, there's a lot of new evidence now since you started your work.
00:14:56.000Particularly all that nuclear glass that they're finding that corresponds with meteor impacts throughout Europe and Asia and that that's somewhere around the end of the ice age really in the same sort of Time period when they do core samples and they find this nuclear glass.
00:15:12.000It's all at around 10,000 plus years ago That kind of stuff really starts to indicate that we're looking at Possibly an event that might have shaped human history or a reset of a large percentage of the people on this planet where civilization in many areas was all but wiped out and then they had to rebuild again.
00:15:33.000Yeah, this is, I mean, actually this is coming to the fore now.
00:15:36.000There's a lot of evidence for these, I think it's the tektites they're called.
00:15:41.000Shock thinks that they are the result of a gigantic CME, a coronal mass ejection, giant solar flares.
00:15:50.000And there's a lot of evidence for this.
00:15:51.000Actually, I don't know if we get into talking about it here.
00:16:01.000But it's unlikely that it's actually a nuclear blast because it would be inconceivable, well, at least by our standards, a man-made nuclear blast.
00:16:12.000Although, when you go into the Hindu texts, and I think it's the Upanishads where they describe...
00:16:19.000What sounds like, I mean it's described as a battle of the gods, but for all the world it does sound like a nuclear conflagration, a human-made nuclear conflagration.
00:16:31.000I don't think anybody knows enough to say what it is other than that that story is in there.
00:16:38.000In fact, because I'm a writer by trade, I'm very interested in the way that That language is used, and so myth is one of the principal misleading words that,
00:16:55.000if you look in the dictionary, the first meaning that it gives for myth is a lie.
00:17:02.000You would talk about the myth busters, that myth is a lie, but the ancients didn't see myth as a lie.
00:17:10.000What myth actually is, when you get into it fairly deeply, It is the interplay of cosmic principles Described as drama rather than in mathematics.
00:17:24.000So once you get a good look at this, this is an extraordinary but opaque book called Hamlet's Mill by Giorgio de Santillana and Hertha von Deccant, who are historians of science at MIT, which is about as respectable as credentials can be.
00:17:40.000So as soon as myth is understood as having both a rigorous scientific As well as philosophical and spiritual base, the whole understanding of myth turns around.
00:17:59.000And you see, for example, in Shakespeare's Hamlet, which is based upon a Danish folk tale, Which then becomes, quite brilliantly actually, the Lion King in the Disney film.
00:18:14.000You see how the myth, I mean in other words you could decode the Osiris Isis Horus myth as pure science and You might call it as spiritual or as sacred science,
00:18:32.000and at the same time it's a ripping good story when you put it that way, a story, because then everybody can understand it, even if they don't understand it.
00:18:43.000Even if they can't articulate what they've understood, the power of the story soaks through.
00:18:50.000So myth is actually, the more you know about it, my case is not that much, but at least it's better than nothing.
00:18:56.000The more you know about it, the more amazing mythology becomes that they should have been able to put together.
00:19:04.000These complex hierarchical Esoteric concepts in a way that resonates as a story.
00:19:15.000Otherwise, insofar as, I mean, our own cosmology is next to impossible to understand unless you're a cosmologist and schooled in the abstract mathematics that make the thing work.
00:19:27.000I mean, the mathematics is absolutely beyond me, but some of my astrophysicist friends can explain it to me in such a way that I understand.
00:19:37.000But it still doesn't have any emotional impact.
00:19:39.000So essentially what you're saying is that they didn't have the sort of scientific discipline that we have today.
00:19:45.000They didn't understand a lot of the things that we know today as far as the way academics or scientists relay information about space or about cosmology.
00:19:56.000So what they did is they combined theater and story with the actual facts That they knew so that was the way they would relay this stuff and that's the way that stuff would be passed on that information be passed on through these stories but in those stories was an actual history of the world itself as far as they knew.
00:20:15.000Through that and through symbolism and this is an infinitely superior way of communicating knowledge because you don't have to be an expert It soaks into your bones in such a way that it directs personally and collectively people's behaviors.
00:20:39.000And it's my firm conviction that this is why Egypt lasted as a coherent civilization even in its dynastic form for 3,500 years and our lunatic societies coming apart at the seams in front of our eyes at 300 years.
00:20:54.000I wanted to talk to you about the written history of Egypt and the hieroglyphic history of the pharaohs.
00:21:02.000Because I remember, I think it was from Magical Egypt 1, you were talking about the historical record, like what they have written down in the hieroglyphs about the pharaohs, that it goes back far beyond what we think of as the birth of Egypt, you know, with the construction,
00:21:18.000the Great Pyramid, I believe they put it, modern academics put it at 2500 BC, correct?
00:21:40.000In a stone tablet called the Palermo stone, because it's now in Palermo, Italy, and in a very fragmentary papyrus called the Turin papyrus, which is now in Turin.
00:21:53.000And both of these documents, one is a stone stela and the other is a papyrus, tell or recount Long periods when Egypt was ruled first by the Necheru, which means the gods themselves,
00:22:10.000which I take to mean fully realized divine human beings.
00:22:15.000In other words, human beings that have attained, that have passed the test of the quest for immortality, who are in effect, they've outsmarted death, or they've outdeveloped death.
00:22:34.000Because their works speak for themselves, as it were, and the level of the, now we're talking, going back even to dynastic Egypt, because the temples themselves and the level of art involved particularly in the sculpture is such that Standard,
00:22:58.000I'd say genius is rare enough, but standard human genius doesn't seem to apply to these incredible constructions.
00:23:07.000And the quackademics simply dismiss it out of hand as really very talented exponents of a barbaric and primitive concept.
00:23:21.000I'm leading my trips there, which I do, as you know, a few times a year.
00:23:25.000Next one coming up, by the way, anybody listening in?
00:23:28.000How can people go on one of those trips with you?
00:24:01.000So your thoughts are that these people that lived 34,000 years ago were incredibly advanced, like much further advanced than we are today.
00:24:12.000Which doesn't take much, but when you understand what's involved.
00:24:15.000I know what you're saying, but I mean, we're pretty damn advanced compared to a few hundred years ago, correct?
00:24:20.000In certain ways we are, but we still can't.
00:24:23.000We couldn't and wouldn't build the Cathedral of Chartres.
00:24:29.000There's nobody alive, to the best of my knowledge, who could produce a building That is based upon sacred principles that even comes close to...
00:24:42.000I mean, a few people really know quite a bit about this, but they couldn't design Chatra.
00:24:47.000And that's, well, that's, you know, 12th century.
00:24:49.000What was it about Egypt in that time in particular that...
00:24:55.000In your opinion, I mean obviously there's a lot of speculation going on here because there's so little evidence from 34,000 years ago, but what is it about that area that you think developed people at such an incredibly high level?
00:25:06.000Because unless there's more evidence to be found, there doesn't seem to be any parallels anywhere else in the world.
00:25:13.000Actually, there's a fairly simple explanation for that, for a change, because most of this stuff is so complicated.
00:25:22.000But just to go back a bit to the rule by the Neceru, the gods themselves, and the names of those rulers are given in the length of time that they reigned.
00:25:31.000And then there's another group of The line of time is incredible, right?
00:25:35.000Well, this is where we're getting the 34,000, 36,000 BC from.
00:25:40.000Because you add the times up, the Turin papyrus has a similar thing of the reign, rule of the Netzeru, and the rule that's called the Shem Suhor, the followers or the...
00:25:52.000The followers are the companions of Horus.
00:25:54.000And again, the names are given and the regnal years.
00:25:57.000And when you add those all up together, you get around 34, 36,000 BC. I'm sorry to interrupt you, but weren't some of the pharaohs, didn't they live hundreds of years?
00:26:12.000I'm not sure what those dates are actually.
00:26:15.000I've not actually deeply researched them.
00:26:17.000I get those figures from Schwaller de Lubix, the great genius with the unpronounceable name, who put together the whole interpretation of Symbolist Egypt, from which my work is derived.
00:26:31.000I mean, I regard myself as Schwaller's Boswell, making his...
00:26:44.000No, smart guys like you, not dummies like politicians and quackademics, no.
00:26:50.000But when you're talking about 34,000 years, I mean the average person today lives to be about 80 years, you're talking about an incredible number of pharaohs then.
00:27:07.000From the one long chapter he wrote called the chronology, choreography he called it, not the word for it, but the chronology of Egypt where he's looking to back up.
00:27:25.000From a scholarly point of view, from the scholarly argument, that the Egyptians knew what they were talking about when they were assigning these long reins, that these are not fictitious.
00:27:36.000This is not made-up history in order to fool the people who couldn't read the hieroglyphs anyway.
00:27:43.000Only the scribes could read the hieroglyphs.
00:27:54.000And then at the very end of it, this throwaway line, and as of course the Great Sphinx of Giza has been weathered, shows unmistakable signs of aquatic erosion.
00:28:03.000And that was my little epiphany, because I picked up on that and said, wow, the rest of this isn't science, but that's geology.
00:29:01.000And that is riffing on a line that probably everybody who tunes into this is familiar with.
00:29:08.000Victor Hugo, the French poet, novelist, dramatist of the 19th century.
00:29:17.000Actually, France's most popular poet of the 19th century was Victor Hugo.
00:29:24.000And it was Victor Hugo who wrote the famous line, there's one thing stronger than all the armies in the world, and that is an idea whose time has come.
00:29:35.000But what Victor Hugo didn't think of, or if he did, he didn't express it, Was that the second strongest thing in the world is an idea whose time has not yet gone.
00:29:45.000And since it is a matter of record that all of the armies in the world, be they military, economic, financial, cultural, agricultural even, wherever there's a paradigm, there's an army.
00:30:03.000And this is where we stand now, that the idea whose time has come only comes when the second strongest, the armies of the second strongest thing in the world are beaten down, are beaten into the ground,
00:30:18.000and somebody breaches the portcullis to the ivory tower where all of these guys live.
00:30:23.000And this is of particular interest to me because I am a scholar by default, but a satirist by nature.
00:30:31.000And really, my whole adult life has been devoted to proving a vision that I had at the age of 13 or so, that I was born into a lunatic asylum.
00:30:47.000And at the age of about 19, it was a very uncomfortable place to live where everybody called it progress, and I thought it was crazy.
00:30:55.000And at age about 19 or so, I knew what I wanted to do, which was to be the little boy who said the emperor has no clothes and to prove to everybody's satisfaction that indeed the emperor has no clothes and it's a lunatic asylum.
00:31:10.000The end result took me a couple of decades to realize that.
00:31:14.000It was that in real life what happens is that, no, the people all don't say, whoa, look, the emperor has no clothes and everybody lives happily ever after.
00:31:24.000What happens is that the disgraced emperor goes back to his palace and regroups the empire and at the end all of the forces of empire conspire to prove to everyone that the emperor's clothes are real but it's the child who's imaginary.
00:31:43.000We were talking about this before the podcast, and this is a really fascinating aspect of this discussion.
00:31:49.000When I first became aware of your work was that Charlton Heston narrated documentary about the aging of the Sphinx, the mystery of the Sphinx, which I believe was on NBC. What I thought was shocking Was when Dr. Shock was speaking to that Egyptologist who was saying,
00:32:11.000what evidence is there of a culture that existed 7,000 years before ancient Egypt?
00:32:32.000And then I realized, oh, these guys write books and they teach lectures and they teach classes based on this information that they're teaching.
00:32:41.000And now this information has been shown to be not true anymore.
00:32:44.000When Dr. Schock was showing this water erosion and he was saying that, this was all before the discovery of Gobekli Tepe.
00:32:50.000And once they discovered Gobekli Tepe, now they know that there is a sophisticated structure capable of massive stone circles that was 12,000 years ago, at least, when it was intentionally buried.
00:33:02.000So it could have easily been several thousand years old then.
00:33:07.000But we know at least 12,000 years ago someone was capable of incredible design and incredible stone structures with three-dimensional animals carved into these stone structures, which is very sophisticated.
00:33:20.000Now, has that guy been talked to since then?
00:33:23.000And has he amended his position on it?
00:34:11.000And I don't think I'd really necessarily want to bring it up with him Off the record, I'd rather have him with the cameras on us and just see what happens.
00:34:31.000But he seems to be just clinging to this idea because he can.
00:34:36.000Like, mainstream academia hasn't accepted this predating of the Sphinx, or also the difference in the structures, like the difference in the construction methods that were used.
00:34:47.000One of the more fascinating things that you sort of highlighted in your ancient Egypt series, Magical Egypt, which is fantastic, and I highly recommend it to anybody who is even remotely curious of this, you will be sucked in in an incredible way.
00:35:00.000It got to the point where my wife was walking by the TV, she's like, Jesus Christ, you watching Egypt again?
00:35:31.000But the fact that they don't address that, the fact that they want to lump this all into the same people, is kind of crazy.
00:35:38.000It is, but as long as they can get away with it, they will continue to get away with it.
00:35:43.000As I said, the second strongest thing in the world is the idea whose time has not yet gone, and anybody who doesn't Let's say among myself and my colleagues who are all in this, let's say, the quest to prove,
00:36:01.000to demonstrate that the advanced civilization existed in the very distant past, which is In my case, in other cases, not necessarily.
00:36:12.000But in mine, it's because that opens the door in and of itself.
00:36:19.000But on a much more profound philosophical level, once it's understood that that...
00:36:24.000Understanding that civilization goes back much, much further leads to the understanding and the acceptance that our role, our destiny as human beings is to achieve immortality.
00:37:10.000All of the stories of the saints and the rishis and the masters and so on is based upon, all of it, is based upon their experiences that have led them to this understanding.
00:37:22.000If it's just a head trip, it's no good.
00:37:26.000The purpose of sacred art and of sacred music, when it works, is to communicate Even if only momentarily and fragmentarily, this understanding that there's something else,
00:37:42.000and speaking from my own personal experiences, I've never gone through a full-blown mystical experience, but I've had lots of these moments, particularly in Egypt, in a long study, and these moments in Egypt where there's this sudden realization that The world as it manifests to our faculties,
00:38:08.000our normal faculties, is not the only world there is.
00:38:12.000There's something else beyond that which was understood a lot better in those days than now.
00:38:19.000And actually, funnily enough, I forgot to mention this, but I don't know if you know this.
00:38:24.000I've spent the last couple of years sort of sidetracked from my regular work Working on a book written by a friend of mine, a good friend, who was not a writer, so I helped him with the editing and contributed to it.
00:38:40.000And this is maybe the definitive book on NDEs.
00:38:47.000He was a Christian pastor, a rare guy who actually lived what he preached, named David Solomon.
00:38:52.000And he had collected all of this material, a huge amount of material, That he was trying to systematize because this is now, it's certainly not a common experience, but there are 5,000 verifiable accounts of people who have been clinically dead and who have been revived,
00:39:11.000usually through modern methods, because now one of the reasons why it's now so common and before it was reserved for the saints, the great saints and the mystics.
00:39:22.000That modern medicine has improved to such an extent that if you get to these people quickly enough, any number of people who are clinically dead for X number of minutes, you know, not two days, but minutes, sometimes more extended period than that,
00:39:39.000come back with these tales of This realm beyond that of the senses, the realm of higher consciousness, basically what it is, what they've experienced is grace.
00:39:55.000It's a moment, and they come back transformed.
00:39:58.000They come back convinced that everything that they were doing before is either nonsense or unimportant, and they often come back with a mission, even though they don't have the schooling, let's say.
00:40:08.000They don't understand philosophically Or spiritually, what they've experienced, they know what they've experienced, and they laugh at the debunkers who are saying it's all hallucination of the brain, dying brain.
00:41:51.000It's called The Dead Saints Chronicles, subtitled A Zen Journey Through the Christian Afterlife.
00:42:01.000And it really is an absolutely extraordinary book.
00:42:06.000And it becomes quite clear when you go through this that what people have experienced is a state of grace that's not all the same.
00:42:13.000I mean, some people it's more profound and some people less so.
00:42:16.000But all of these people are unprepared for what they've experienced and all of them come back Transformed, and of course the quackademics, this is one of the ways they protect themselves.
00:42:27.000Peer review is one way, and the other is their insistence.
00:42:31.000Who the hell gave them the right to make the rules from science that apply to science?
00:42:37.000Are they scientists so that gives them the right to make the rules?
00:42:42.000And one of the chief ways in which they protect themselves Is to insist that anecdotal evidence, personal experience, doesn't count.
00:42:55.000I don't know about you, but I wouldn't buy a cookbook by someone who's never fried an egg.
00:42:59.000So these are guys who've never fried a spiritual egg, and these 5,000 accounts are people who've actually been there to this superior realm and come back To talk about it.
00:43:12.000No, but you say you haven't had a mystical experience.
00:43:35.000No, the experiences come actually from me, as I said, they're not a major, it's not the state of grace that these people are talking about.
00:43:43.000You didn't experience the state of grace when you did DMT? Not quite, no.
00:44:30.000What he has created by his book, DMT, the spirit molecule, they did these clinical tests giving people DMT in a clinical setting at the University of New Mexico.
00:44:41.000And what they found was these people achieved this incredible state of understanding, a more relaxed vision of the future.
00:44:53.000This is also mirrored by some of the John Hopkins tests that they've done with people with psilocybin, where people have They have just a much better outlook about the future.
00:45:04.000They don't think that this is it, and that whatever happens to them when they're having these trips, and the way Strassman did it is much more intense than most people do it because they did intravenous doses, which last longer.
00:45:16.000A typical DMT trip lasts only about 15 minutes, unless you just jump right back in, which is what I usually do.
00:45:22.000But he gave these people intravenous doses which take them just very deep for more than a half an hour, and they all have very similar stories, and similar stories to people that have had near-death experiences.
00:45:34.000I've had friends that have had near-death experiences, and when they talk about it, it's very similar to the way I've talked to other people that have had DMT trips, where they are in the presence of this divine greatness, this something.
00:46:05.000And that might be the way the soul, quote-unquote, air quotes, whatever, but for lack of a better word, transitions to this next stage of life.
00:46:14.000When the anecdotal evidence that you're talking about is measured up, what's interesting about it is similar accounts over and over and over and over again.
00:46:22.000The people that can remember things, they remember this incredibly divine experience.
00:46:26.000But, you know, the question becomes, is that experience, and this is something that I've been bouncing around in my head a lot lately, is that experience a hallucination?
00:46:36.000Or is that experience an actual real experience in a divine presence?
00:46:44.000If you just think you're experiencing God and divine greatness because you're creating it in your mind versus actually experiencing God and divine greatness, isn't the experience the exact same thing?
00:46:56.000And is our mind locked into the idea of a physical thing like this laptop?
00:48:04.000It's not a problem, it's the wrong word.
00:48:07.000But with the NDE experiences, I mean, absolutely...
00:48:12.000Joe Sixpack, everybody, ordinary people, many of them, some of them even atheists, go through this and come back, literally transform their whole lives.
00:48:35.000The John Hopkins study showed that a lot of people, decades later, had a vastly improved quality of life, different outlook on things, and especially when you're dealing with terminally ill patients.
00:48:54.000But the hallucination, this is another scam by the so-called rationalists, who in fact are not, they're this idea that it's a hallucination.
00:49:06.000Why should there be a, where's the hallucination gene?
00:49:09.000This is all bullshit, actually, and what it actually is.
00:49:12.000It's not based upon reason as they promote themselves.
00:49:19.000What it is actually is the rationalization of their own inner emptiness.
00:49:23.000They can't handle the fact that there might be something else, and in fact their whole intellectual lives are consecrated to the To proving that life is indeed as meaningless as their own.
00:50:09.000So we know that drugs have an effect on people.
00:50:12.000It seems rational, though, that a scientist would look at those things and try to find some sort of a scientific perspective.
00:50:18.000Explanation for the chemical process that's going on in the mind, the way it's affecting the visual cortex, and the things that the person is quote-unquote hallucinating.
00:50:26.000Underlying that contention, which is not science in and of itself.
00:50:33.000And I said what it's based upon is protecting their own vision of the world Which is that the universe is an accident and anything that is mystical or so-called spiritual is hallucinatory and they have the answers.
00:50:50.000And these people, as far as I'm concerned, are more dangerous even than politicians.
00:50:55.000They are, put it this way, the Church of Progress is the religion of the emotionally defective, the spiritually dyslexic, and the philosophically depraved.
00:51:10.000But to put it into other terms, you actually, martial arts master I studied with briefly, used to say in his Japanese accent, if you want happiness in this crazy world, you do not talk about moonbeams to the blind or moonbeams to the blind,
00:51:30.000music to the deaf, and you absolutely do not talk about sex to eunuchs.
00:51:37.000And this is what you're dealing with when you're dealing with these intellectually based scientists.
00:51:43.000These are spiritual, emotional, and philosophical eunuchs.
00:51:50.000And it's no surprise when they behave the way they do who's surprised when the eunuchs snigger behind the Sultan's back and deride his passions.
00:52:03.000The problem is that with our Church of Progress, When the eunuchs take over the palace and call their terrible disability reason, then the empire's cooked.
00:52:13.000You sound like a person who's been deeply in the trenches against academics for a year.
00:52:18.000You sound like a bitter man, John Anthony West.
00:52:36.000Particularly yours, because you've been dealing with archaeologists that are trying to refute evidence.
00:52:39.000They're all just as bad as each other.
00:52:41.000What I bring to the table that my colleague Graham Hancock was an excellent writer and some of the others who are very brilliant people.
00:52:48.000Rupert Sheldrake is also a very good friend and a very good scientist.
00:52:52.000What they are not is satirists by nature, and I am.
00:52:57.000Now, let's go back to this idea that human beings need to fulfill immortality, or that there is our ultimate destiny to fulfill immortality.
00:53:09.000Because if there is an afterlife, right, if we do die and then we go to this other place that people are seeing in these near-death experiences, why do we have to do anything?
00:53:18.000Why can't we just sit around and wait for our physical meat body to stop working and then transcend?
00:53:25.000Well, again, this gets addressed in David's book, in the Dead Saints Chronicles, because it's our job to transcend.
00:53:34.000In other words, if we don't do anything, well, something happens to us.
00:53:38.000And again, here's where the near-death experience is.
00:53:42.000Get interesting because almost none of them are negative.
00:53:45.000What happens to the real evil monster people that are out there in this world?
00:53:50.000I mean, does Dick Cheney go to heaven?
00:53:52.000Gee, if he dies, I don't want to be there.
00:54:32.000My own personal conviction is that unless enough people are doing this and getting somewhere with it, it's not as though everyone's going to become enlightened.
00:54:42.000Again, going deep into the whole theories of reincarnation and return and so on, which is part of Egypt and part of all of the Eastern cultures of reincarnation.
00:54:52.000No, chances are you don't make it in one lifetime.
00:55:01.000There's a divine report card where these things are measured.
00:55:06.000Jesus says insofar as the Bible is a scholarly morass and I usually try to avoid using it as evidence for things because it's so open to interpretation and it's so convoluted to begin with and who knows what's original to it and what isn't.
00:55:23.000But, you know, many are called, few are chosen.
00:55:25.000But those who are called, who do their work or who try to do their work, reap the benefit of that on an internal level that the quackademics can't measure and don't want to measure and don't believe can be measured.
00:55:39.000But somebody with a presence is very different from somebody without any presence at all.
00:55:44.000You see that in the world around you as you go.
00:55:47.000Yeah, I want to bring you back around, though, because I'm still confused.
00:55:50.000What do you mean by it's our goal to achieve immortality?
00:55:55.000Do you mean, like, the physical body no longer dies?
00:55:58.000And do you believe that, like, whatever I read, I do not remember what I read, but what I read about the earliest depictions of the pharaohs, That was that they lived an extraordinary length of time similar to like Noah.
00:56:13.000Like Noah in the Bible was 600 years old when he built the ark, correct?
00:57:25.000The Tibetans have accounts, if you want to believe the Tibetans, and I tend to, I don't see why they should lie, of great lamas who live several hundred years and go when they choose to.
00:57:42.000You might say it's no more than a kind of mental...
00:57:47.000It's an interesting hypothesis like Bigfoot, but who cares?
00:57:52.000The only thing that actually counts is the inner work.
00:57:55.000And if you're doing it, you're doing it.
00:57:57.000And if you're not doing it, and you don't measure yourself either, as soon as you're looking for results, that's already a way of not getting them.
00:58:16.000My own focus, as you probably know, or maybe you don't, is the Gurdjieff work.
00:58:21.000Because when I came across Gurdjieff, an extraordinary character, he was the first person I'd ever encountered posthumously.
00:58:28.000He died in 49, and I found out about his work in the 60s.
00:58:32.000Who was as contemptuous of Western civilization as I was.
00:58:36.000The difference was that he knew how to live in it, and I didn't.
00:58:40.000And at a certain point, I figured out, particularly what you're talking about before, that my life in the trenches, good subtitle for something.
00:58:48.000I still don't understand what you mean about achieving immortality.
00:58:53.000So if you're not talking about physical immortality, you're not talking about someone living a thousand years and plus?
00:59:20.000You have these moments that with the body, you come back because you get out of the trip.
00:59:25.000Let's say it's an eternal trip, and the ancients talk about that all the time, even in their mythology, which is always taken as fanciful, let's say, in the pyramid texts.
00:59:38.000The script reads that when the Pharaoh dies, and the Pharaoh being, let's say, the embodiment of the realized and enlightened soul, when the Pharaoh dies, his ba unites with his ka, his spirit unites with his essence, becomes a star,
00:59:57.000And traveled with Ra across the sky in his boat of millions of years.
01:00:04.000This is, and in fact, I've often wondered if the Egyptians actually knew what he was being, what they were talking about, and the stars themselves are the realizations of enlightened souls.
01:00:15.000It's as good as any other explanation that they're simply balls of gas.
01:00:21.000That automatically, at some point, accidentally coalesce into galaxies and nebulae and universes, and the whole thing goes on meaninglessly.
01:00:32.000Well, I don't think anybody thinks it's meaningless, but it is kind of fascinating that stars themselves are the only reason why people are alive.
01:00:38.000Like, we are made of stardust, which is just incredible to think that the seeds of human life and all carbon life, in fact, come from a star exploding.
01:01:02.000That understanding, and I wouldn't even call it a philosophy, it's an understanding by people who understand more than we do, certainly more than I do.
01:01:10.000But if you say that's our goal, to achieve immortality, it sounds like we're going to get it anyway, no matter what.
01:01:17.000Well, no, actually, with the NDEs, no, what happens?
01:01:24.000They've had their experience, they've had their X number of minutes of grace, and come back, and come back, Transformed and realize that they have to live their lives differently.
01:01:36.000They don't even talk about, you know, about the future or anything like that.
01:01:40.000I mean, this is obviously a very big thing that not many people evidently achieve.
01:01:48.000But the effort, like everything else, the effort is the effort, and it's on the scorecard.
01:01:56.000It's not so different from everybody who picks up a violin isn't going to end up in Carnegie Hall, and everyone who picks up a baseball bat isn't going to play center field for the Mets or any other team.
01:02:11.000And it's a certain kind of directed and intelligent effort that is painful in its own way, but carries its own reward.
01:02:20.000And it manifests in a kind of presence.
01:02:25.000And just in our daily lives, even with people who are not consciously doing it, but they're doing it They have a different level of presence and you notice it when you meet them.
01:02:41.000Now, what is it that you think these ancient Egyptians, when you talk about the earliest Egyptians that you believe had achieved this incredible state of mind or consciousness, what is it that you think that they did to achieve that?
01:04:03.000That Magical Egypt series is as close as anyone has ever come to communicating the wonder and the magic that is Egypt as anyone has ever...
01:04:14.000It's way head and shoulders above what anybody else has done, and that's my genius partner Chance is doing in its entirety.
01:04:21.000It's, you know, simplest ideas, and I play a big role in it, but it's really Chance's baby.
01:04:32.000But at the visit to Egypt, at the end of a couple of weeks there, I can talk from Adel Doomsday, which I'm about in the process of doing, And nothing that I say can come even remotely close to what it's like to be two weeks in Egypt,
01:04:52.000day after day after day after day, in the presence of sacred art of this Of this quality.
01:05:24.000And the food denial floods, and the food jumps out of the ground, and with a series of genuinely enlightened rulers, or at least pretty close to enlightened rulers,
01:05:42.000ruling them, it all lasts for 3,500 years, And how did they live?
01:07:56.000I would imagine I'm not a garbage collector.
01:07:58.000It's a totally different thing to collect the garbage consciously than it is to just do it resentfully because that's the only job that you can get.
01:08:08.000So when we're talking, it's not as though this is...
01:08:15.000Anything actually new, it's the oldest idea that ever was, and it's something that people have been doing for thousands and thousands of years.
01:08:23.000That said, going into the whole thing of precession and the ages, particularly as expressed Plato, they have a golden age and a silver age, a bronze age and an iron age.
01:08:36.000The Hindus do it in rather more sophisticated fashion.
01:08:40.000I forget exactly the names are on the tip of my tongue.
01:08:43.000Of those ages, but if they are, let's say, analogous to our seasons, particularly if you live where I do and not in California where it's all one season, but the seasons...
01:09:19.000I mean, this is the Kali Yuga as far as I'm concerned.
01:09:23.000To do anything Of a spiritual nature now with all of these forces, with all of these forces lined up against you, not consciously of course, but unconsciously, it's an incredibly difficult thing to actually practice a genuine A genuine spiritual doctrine.
01:09:44.000First of all, you have to get interested in it, and that's only a small chunk of us, and then you have to try to do it.
01:09:50.000And you have to have the time, you have to have the focus.
01:09:54.000That's right, the focus and the will and all the rest of the things.
01:09:59.000So growing roses in January takes a lot more effort to get to the same rose than it takes In June, when they're jumping out of the ground.
01:10:09.000So my guess is, and it's only a guess, it's speculation, that in these higher levels of these higher periods of, you know, gold and silver, bronze, and so on, it's just much easier.
01:10:23.000It is much easier for people to recognize what's Well,
01:10:43.000if you look at the influence that Egypt had clearly on Greece and clearly on a lot of other civilizations where people literally came to Egypt to learn, If Egypt wasn't there, what would civilization be like?
01:10:58.000I mean, it's such a unique place in that there's really nowhere that you can compare that has the level of sophistication as far as the structures in the ancient world.
01:11:10.000I mean, it's almost like what they created was undeniable.
01:11:13.000Like, I think Giza, the Great Pyramid of Giza has 2,300,000 stones that weigh between 2 and 80 tons.
01:11:25.000There's the level of sophistication in creating something like that.
01:11:29.000I mean, I've only seen it in photographs, but one of the greatest photographs I've ever seen is from someone with a GoPro standing on the top of it.
01:11:36.000So you get a sense of how immense it really truly is.
01:11:42.000You just think about how incredible that must have been, especially when it was covered with smooth limestone before they cut it all off.
01:11:50.000I mean, what you're seeing is it's an undeniable mastery of physical things to the point where it makes your head spin.
01:12:01.000I mean, people say we can do that today.
01:12:47.000They're mostly interested in the UFO phenomenon and stuff like that.
01:12:51.000But the place itself, Joshua Retreat Center, is founded by a very interesting guy who is sort of the Tibetan Krishnamurti.
01:13:00.000In other words, it's an interesting little book he wrote, terribly written, but his studies in Tibet.
01:13:06.000And at the end of his little book, he's talking about, he's studying with the lamas, he describes certain of the Certain of the things he has seen them do.
01:13:17.000And I see no particular reason to dismiss what he says.
01:13:20.000He's talking from experience and has the ring of veracity to it.
01:13:24.000He talks about going into an underground chamber that has no lights or electricity or anything like that.
01:14:09.000They produced this, and he talks about other lamas he's witnessed doing incredible feats that you couldn't do, you know, that you just couldn't do in your ordinary state.
01:14:21.000Probably you as a martial artist have had moments or witnessed people who can do things that are, for anybody else, impossible.
01:14:29.000Yeah, but they don't light up tunnels.
01:14:30.000No, they don't light up tunnels, but they can do physical things that are...
01:14:42.000Yeah, but it's a really important point, what you're saying, about the construction methods that they used where they did have these long tunnels and these passages and these places, but...
01:14:54.000Somehow or another, they managed to navigate these things without leaving any marks or soot from torches, which are everywhere else where people used candles or anywhere else.
01:15:06.000Even the Sistine Chapel, the entire ceiling is covered with soot.
01:15:10.000They had to clean it to prepare it so people could see it again.
01:15:15.000But that's really fascinating to think that they had some other method of illumination that we just haven't discovered yet.
01:15:21.000We don't know what they did or how they did it.
01:15:24.000But you look at a jillion other things.
01:15:27.000Particularly, this is, again, one of the reasons why the Sphinx theory is so contentious, so dangerous to these guys.
01:15:35.000Because carving the Sphinx is one thing.
01:15:38.000But, okay, limestones are relatively...
01:15:41.000Resilient stones, relatively soft stone, enough guys with chisels, even if their copper chisels could do that given enough time and enough genius.
01:15:50.000But the temples either side of it are built of stones half the size of this room, slotted into place like pieces of a jigsaw puzzle.
01:18:07.000When I look at the Great Pyramid or I look at the structures I've seen online or in your videos or things along those lines, what's shocking to me is how, and this is going to be a weird thing to say, how Egyptian it looks and how Egypt stands alone in this very distinctive way.
01:18:27.000In that the construction methods, just the intricacy of the building, and these pyramids.
01:18:33.000I mean, people talk about the Mayan pyramids, and I've been to Chichen Itza, and it's an amazing place, and it's really beautiful and crazy to look at, but it pales in comparison to the structures of Egypt.
01:18:43.000Yeah, everything pales in comparison with Egypt.
01:18:48.000Well, as I said, because it was in a kind of a blessed One, it had a philosophy, you know, it had a spiritual philosophy underpinning it that had the...
01:19:00.000that had, you might say, that had the...
01:19:05.000that united the people in their entirety.
01:19:08.000It doesn't mean that there weren't, you know, criminals and murderers and stuff like that, but basically the people were united in their...
01:19:16.000In their faith, enlightened in their belief.
01:19:18.000Herodotus, when Egypt was 6th century BC, Herodotus and Egypt is already in steep decline, says the Egyptians are the happiest, healthiest, and most religious of people.
01:19:31.000And it wasn't the Egyptian Chamber of Commerce that was telling him to say that.
01:19:36.000But it was like that, and it was a combination of the philosophy wedded to in a society that was protected on all four sides and almost impregnable.
01:19:49.000It was conquered a couple of times over the course of 3,000 years for a relatively brief period of time.
01:19:55.000And the food jumped out of the ground.
01:19:58.000The Nile flooded and took practically no work, and that made a quite substantial population It gave them months of free time every year.
01:20:10.000Now we're talking about the Kali Yugas.
01:20:14.000Whatever period Egypt is assigned to is on a downhill slope.
01:20:20.000It just plain was on a downhill slope.
01:20:22.000And you can watch it transform in front of your eyes.
01:20:26.000It disintegrates as a coherent religion, rises In another form that we call Christianity, actually, and you can see it happening in front of your nose with Coptic Christianity arising.
01:20:40.000All the rest of the stuff gets completely decadent under the Romans.
01:20:46.000Gibbon, Edward Gibbon, in Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire talks about the grandeur The glory of Greece, which is absolute nonsense, or near total nonsense, and the grandeur of Rome.
01:21:00.000Yeah, they were building coliseums in order to torture, in order to let gladiators kill each other, and they built good roads.
01:21:09.000But Rome was a three-ring bureaucracy, actually, and that's the beginning of the end.
01:21:15.000In Europe, anyway, it's very traceable.
01:21:18.000The Asian countries less so, but they too have high civilizations that decline, and in Europe you see kind of a turnaround in the Renaissance, very impossible to actually date, and then you have it leading in a sort of In a very one-sided development in which technology advances by leaps and bounds and everything else is arguably a lot worse
01:21:48.000than it was a couple of hundred years ago.
01:21:50.000From every spiritual, psychological point of view, we're a lot worse off than, let's say, the colonial Americans.
01:21:59.000But the depictions of the colonial Americans by the ancient people, when you, who was it that described the atrocities that Columbus and his crew had done?
01:23:16.000Meanwhile, of course, they weapon all the slaves in the South and they're murdering all the Indians and the billionaires, as is their fashion, are beating up on their Irish immigrant workers because why have slaves when they can mistreat their workers and build all of their railroads across the country.
01:23:35.000But nevertheless, there's a sense of Gravitas is almost the only word I can think of because it's not as though it's intellectually advanced or anything like that.
01:23:47.000But there's a certain seeming solidity to 19th century America than there is now in this crazy chaos that we live in.
01:23:58.000Don't you think that there's always this tendency in human beings that long for nostalgia?
01:24:03.000They look back to the past, to a moment when things made sense?
01:24:07.000It seems to me that there's always that.
01:24:08.000And even when people are full of shit about it, like they look back on high school days, man, those are the good old days.
01:24:44.000I think there's an awakening going on right now with human beings that's unprecedented.
01:24:48.000And I think it's because of the internet.
01:24:50.000I think because of the fact that we're combining our thoughts in some sort of a strange way and sharing ideas and information in a way that no one's ever been able to do before.
01:24:58.000I don't think people have ever been this aware of how crazy things are.
01:25:03.000But at the same time, look at the lunacy of last night's presidential debate.
01:25:08.000You realize, I guess we really haven't...
01:25:11.000I mean, we might be aware of things, but actual progress is not really being made.
01:25:15.000We have the ability to be aware of things, but we are not at least in sufficient numbers.
01:26:12.000This is all a vast amount of static, so you have to be able to find your way through the static to the music.
01:26:21.000How much does ancient aliens frustrate you?
01:26:24.000Not much, because I watched a couple of programs.
01:26:26.000But if you did, are you throwing things at the TV and screaming?
01:26:30.000I have low expectations, so it's TV. It's entertainment, and the people who are putting it together don't know what they're doing, except they see that it works and they want to make money.
01:26:42.000Is it possible that the aliens made the pyramids?
01:26:46.000When they have all these experts, everything it is.
01:26:48.000Is it possible that extraterrestrials?
01:27:06.000When you think of ancient Egypt and you think of the public's understanding and awareness of it, what do you think the average person is missing?
01:27:22.000So you think it's like right before our fate, in front of our eyes, and most people just have no idea the majesty and how intensely unique it is?
01:27:29.000No, look, Our Mystery of the Sphinx, which was at that time one of the most watched TV documentaries of all time, and it really had a massive audience and people who saw it Remember it, I mean, even to this day.
01:28:45.000With the dome where the boat always comes out.
01:28:46.000And you look at it and you go, when you're inside of it and you realize the insane magnitude of the construction, the fact that it took hundreds of years to complete and they did it all without saws, without power tools, rather.
01:28:58.000They did it all without any modern equipment.
01:29:35.000Actually, it's an interesting book by...
01:29:37.000My now deceased friend Peter Tompkins on the magic of the obelisks where he's talking about, you know, ripping them out of context and bringing them to Rome and New York and England.
01:29:47.000And it was interesting because they were brought over in the 19th century and it's already, you know, technology is pretty advanced.
01:29:54.000I mean, you have huge cranes and all the rest of it and it strained the Victorian technology to the utmost to get these things over.
01:30:03.000And then you realize that the Egyptians did it With none of those tools.
01:30:09.000They somehow got them ripped out of the bedrock, brought down the river, taken offloaded from the rafts or boats or whatever, which is a big job, transported across the ground.
01:30:33.000Did they have levels, like bubble levels?
01:30:35.000Not bubble levels, but they had other kinds.
01:30:37.000They did it with water somehow or another.
01:30:40.000That's, I think, reasonably well established, but I forget exactly how it was on how they leveled, for example, the base of the pyramid to a millimeter or something like that.
01:30:51.000I mean, everything that you look at in Egypt when you go there, the deeper you look, the more mysterious it becomes, and you marvel at it.
01:31:00.000Well, the King's Chamber is one of the most bizarre ones, right?
01:31:04.000Well, no more bizarre than other things.
01:31:09.000But just the enormity of the stones, the way they're set up, that it's such a complex system.
01:31:16.000The way they've set them in place is so incredible.
01:31:19.000I think you're talking about the ones, the so-called relieving chambers, which are really resonating chambers.
01:31:33.000Architecturally, completely unnecessary to relieve the stresses from above.
01:31:38.000Directly below the king's chamber is the so-called queen's chamber, which doesn't have that at all.
01:31:43.000It has a simple gabled roof, and that protects it from anything that it needs.
01:31:47.000The other chambers, when you're in the king's chamber...
01:31:51.000It's like being, it's an echo chamber.
01:31:53.000You can't, it's really a miraculous place, and of course everything is precision cut and all of that, but it doesn't look that fantastic.
01:32:01.000It's the levels above that are the most amazing things, because these are the 70-ton blocks of stone, I think that's what you're talking about.
01:32:08.000How they got those into place, no one knows, but they're responsible for the resonance of that particular chamber, and it's my belief that resonance plays Even not necessarily resonance with the human voice,
01:32:24.000but when you're in there, I forget the acoustic term, feedback or whatever, that you can't, for example, if we're in the King's Chamber and we go, we rent the pyramid for a couple of hours for a meditation session on my trips, and when you're in there,
01:32:42.000you can't have a conversation the way we're having it now.
01:32:45.000You have to talk Like this, otherwise the reverberation is such that it scrambles your voice.
01:32:52.000This can only be deliberate, and you can hear from the King's Chamber, if you do set up and you do a chant in the King's Chamber, if you go all the way down the Grand Gallery, And then there's a place below where you have to make a turn,
01:33:08.000and then there's a descending passage that goes as deep below the ground as the pyramid, as the king's chamber is above the ground.
01:33:17.000It's about a 12-story shaft that you go down.
01:33:41.000Yeah, but you shouldn't be able to hear it at all because the sound has to go down and then turn around and then go down the other shaft.
01:33:47.000By the way, I should say, because people are always asking me now, it's a function of age, how long are you going to keep doing these trips?
01:33:57.000I say, well, you know, unless and until I can't get up and down the King's Chamber, up to the King's Chamber, I'll be doing trips unless some media thing takes over.
01:34:08.000But, as they say in Texas, if you can do it, it ain't bragging.
01:35:06.000Because, I mean, I don't think anybody's capable of doing the same kind of experience that you would provide.
01:35:13.000Like, your knowledge of Egypt is pretty rare in this day and age.
01:35:16.000Well, I was hoping when I had this idea to do my own trips, I thought, oh, finally, I'll make a living out of this stuff.
01:35:23.000But what happened was that no sooner had my guidebook come out.
01:35:26.000You probably don't have a copy of that.
01:35:28.000And it's out of print now, but I have copies.
01:35:34.000That back in 85, the first of the terrorist things happened and these guys hijacked the cruise ship off Alexandria and pushed this poor old guy in a wheelchair over the side of the cruise ship and he drowned.
01:35:51.000And my book had just come out and instantly the tourist trade was killed, talking about people being afraid for a whole year it took for it to develop.
01:36:00.000And it did develop again, but the book had disappeared from the shelves by that time.
01:37:14.000You want to go to the geology of the Sphinx, the water weathering.
01:37:21.000And then other slides related to that, the gigantic blocks, paving blocks, particularly around the Second Pyramid.
01:37:32.000And yeah, mostly around the Second Pyramid.
01:37:41.000And then, I mean all of that stuff relates to the geological evidence.
01:37:48.000Then I wanted to get into, I didn't want to touch the symbolist, the quest for immortality, because that's a whole big subsequent thing.
01:37:59.000I did want to get into, and we didn't even talk about it, yeah, the map of Dhamfakistan, and what I call the, and I've got a great graphic for it actually, everybody you know certainly,
01:38:16.000and everybody probably most of your audience will know, About the four horsemen of the apocalypse, right?
01:38:21.000From Revelation, who are actually an interesting study in its own right.
01:38:25.000The four horsemen are war, War, famine, pestilence, and death.
01:38:37.000And what's interesting about the Four Horsemen is that only war is really under human control, at least in theory.
01:38:45.000Famine, pestilence, plague, as it were, and death comes to us all.
01:38:50.000It's a peculiar choice, actually, for the Four Horsemen.
01:38:53.000But I invented the five cowboys of Apocalypse 2.0.
01:38:58.000And they are capitalism, patriotism, democracy, technology, and entertainment.
01:40:26.000Democracy is that, the idea is that the dishwashers elect the chef and tell them what to do.
01:40:34.000I don't know about you, I don't eat in a restaurant where the dishwashers elect the chef and tell them what to do.
01:40:40.000It's flawed, it's hopelessly flawed to begin with, which Plato recognized perfectly.
01:40:46.000Churchill said, democracy looks like the worst of all possible political systems until you look at all the others.
01:40:54.000At the same time, this is fun and it's not necessarily untrue.
01:40:58.000At the same time, he also said, contradicting himself, the best argument against democracy is ten minutes of conversation with an average voter.
01:41:07.000I don't want my leaders elected numerically by the average voter.
01:41:14.000Actually, if they had a test, which is probably next to impossible to even conceive, if voting were a privilege, I mean, when the country started off, it was a privilege, but you had to be a white male who owned property,
01:41:32.000Elitist as it actually looks now because in those days They were the only ones who were substantial enough and probably had some sort of an education.
01:41:42.000It doesn't mean necessarily that they understand the principles.
01:41:45.000And they, you know, they were, you might say, the solid citizens who at least could read.
01:41:52.000I mean, nobody else could read except people with an education of some sort.
01:43:56.000Because I went to schools, as seldom as I possibly could, in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, which is where the Bethlehem Steel Center was, and we used to go there on field drives.
01:44:07.000Holy mackerel, this was like working in Dante's Inferno, these blackened figures jumping up and down in the blinded heat of the Bessemer converters.
01:44:17.000And the other kinds of jobs of robots stuffing things into boxes or flipping burgers, the vast majority of people, yeah, they have their television sets and their internet and stuff like that,
01:44:32.000but the vast majority of people do not and cannot make their living out of their own creativity.
01:44:39.000And before, however terrible things may have been in medieval times, People did creative transformational things.
01:45:05.000We don't invent it, somebody else will do it.
01:45:07.000Nerve gas, well, that's a very good way of getting away with, you know, around stuff.
01:45:11.000Striped toothpaste, well, it's a waste of time and effort and stuff like that, but maybe we can sell more striped toothpaste than unstriped toothpaste.
01:45:20.000And the rest of it is, in other words, a percentage of it, yeah, the medicine is very good until it gets into the hands of big pharma, and then make sure that people are ripped off to get at the medicine that they need and the medicine that they have available.
01:47:07.000Not easily, but you can laugh, but you can and do laugh at what's wrong.
01:47:12.000And so, let's say at some inner level, by laughing at what's wrong, Inadvertently, it's a recognition we have within us, let's say, a moral, we have a moral Compass is the wrong word.
01:47:32.000We have a moral thermometer or something of the sort that recognizes, by recognizing what's wrong, we're assenting, giving assent to what's right.
01:48:50.000This is a really confusing thing to me.
01:48:54.000Why do they continue to rebuild that thing?
01:48:57.000Because when they're rebuilding it, they're rebuilding the feet and the paws of the Sphinx, and I understand there's considerable erosion that they have to mitigate, but it's not the Sphinx anymore.
01:49:08.000Well, it's bringing the Sphinx back to supposedly what it was originally.
01:49:12.000The problem really is an engineering problem.
01:49:16.000They don't know themselves, and at least a few of them acknowledge it.
01:49:21.000He's not in charge of doing the repairs, that it may be doing more damage because it's still weathering on the inside, and by covering it over with these usually very badly done stuff, that they're actually doing more damage than that.
01:49:36.000Well, the Department of Antiquities is the one.
01:49:49.000No, listen, Zahi, on a personal level, that's another long story, and we've already gone on for two hours, but on a personal level, I can get on with Zahi.
01:50:01.000And he's now back in, not formally in a position of power.
01:50:14.000And all of his friends even, I mean, the guy who runs my trip, Mohammed Nazmi, I mean, I called a surgeon because he really knows how to operate.
01:50:57.000This is why the Sphinx could not have been weathered by sand.
01:51:03.000What we're looking at right now, for the people that are just listening, is it buried in sand, which it has been many, many times when Napoleon found that it was buried in sand, correct?
01:51:13.000Completely buried in sand and probably for a few thousand years.
01:51:16.000This is taken, photograph taken about 2000, when it had already been excavated and filled up with sand again, which happens pretty quickly.
01:51:25.000So basically you can say, give or take a few hundred years, that since its supposed construction around 2500 B.C., It's been buried in sand about 3,000 of those 4,500 years.
01:52:10.000The pyramids, this is another complex argument, which as you see, everything's complex.
01:52:15.000They're almost certainly built in stages, and the earliest stages probably date from whenever the Sphinx was originally built.
01:52:23.000And the argument for Khafre building, it wasn't a text that said that he had a dream that if he uncovered the Sphinx, that he would become Pharaoh.
01:52:31.000No, that's Thutmose IV, a thousand years later.
01:52:35.000They attribute it to Khafre because the causeway that leads from the Sphinx, as you go behind it, you see the beginning?
01:52:44.000Not really, you see it just back in the Sphinx.
01:52:46.000The causeway The causeway leads up to, right to the middle of the Pyramid, of the Khafra Pyramid, which he almost certainly did build or anyway superimposed upon something that was there before because you can prove that.
01:54:30.000The picture before, covered with sand, you see how weathered the headdress was?
01:54:35.000Yeah, they redid the bottom of it, right?
01:54:36.000They redid the headdress in its entirety.
01:54:38.000The face itself is a much harder outcrop of limestone, so it hasn't weathered to the same extent that the body of the Sphinx has weathered.
01:54:52.000Actually, you see, the African face is a real problem, actually.
01:54:58.000Of course, the Egyptians are as prejudiced as everyone else, and they don't want to actually believe that the Sphinx itself could be a sub-Saharan African, maybe from an earlier period when the Africans were pharaohs.
01:55:10.000Wasn't there some speculation that initially it was an actual lion's face and that the lion's face was cut down to create this pharaoh's face?
01:55:18.000That's us speculating that way because the head is way too small for the body.
01:55:24.000And we had the NYPD. We did this big study.
01:55:28.000I think that's the next slide coming up.
01:55:38.000Well, he was a forensic, a senior forensic artist for the NYPD. He's a guy who knows about, you know, physiognomy.
01:55:46.000So he did a study of the comparative faces of the Sphinx and the, of the Sphinx, that's the one on the right, and Pharaoh Khafra and his conclusion was that no No competent artist or sculptor could possibly have used the same model for the face of the Sphinx as for the Kafra face.
01:56:09.000And there's a few Kafra faces floating around.
01:56:11.000So my criminal partner, when Frank gave us that study, his comparative study, Boris, Said said, for the academic establishment, this is bad news and worse news.
01:56:28.000The bad news is that there wasn't Atlantis, and the worst news is they were black.
01:56:38.000But anyway, in the 90s, I did an op-ed piece for the New York Times, and I carefully left that part out.
01:56:47.000I just compared, used the Frank Domingo's drawing versus the Sphinx.
01:56:54.000But a couple of weeks later, a letter was published from an orthodontist, who also knows about faces, saying, hey, hey, that Sphinx is actually a sub-Saharan African face.
01:57:06.000He said it, so I'm not in trouble for that.
01:57:08.000But anyway, until something better is discovered, it's a sub-Saharan African face, and it was re-carved, and we don't know when.
01:57:18.000So it's entirely possible that it used to be a lion and then some pharaoh came along and said, I don't like that lion, make it my face.
01:57:25.000No, it may have been that the head was so weathered over time that they said, well, we can't repair the face the way that we can repair the body.
01:57:40.000Was most likely still above ground while the rest of the body was covered, so it was subject to more erosion?
01:57:47.000Well, it's also a harder limestone, so probably, again, this is speculation, but we reckon that an outcrop of stone was sticking above the sand level to begin with, and somebody at some point A jillion years ago,
01:58:03.000decided to carve the Sphinx by cutting around it, cutting the bedrock away from around it, leaving the outcrop above and carving that into whatever it may have been originally.
01:58:33.000One of my dreams, not dreams, but sort of...
01:58:46.000Vision, whatever, but hope is that one of these days somebody turns over a spade in Damascus or somewhere up there and discovers a cache of hidden...
01:59:03.000Of hidden scrolls from the Library of Alexandria.
01:59:07.000It's quite probable that the so-called maps of the Sea Kings, you know, the Piri Reis map and some of those other things, are copies of maps that were originally part of the library.
01:59:19.000And I have a whole film script, actually.
01:59:22.000What's the latest on this supposed chamber that they found under the paws of the Sphinx?
01:59:43.000It could be a natural void that's certain kinds of limestone that's riddled with those kinds of voids, but this isn't that kind of limestone.
01:59:55.000When the opposition finally caves in and says, they never say they're wrong, and says, well, this deserves further study, then maybe we get permission to go and really look back in...
02:00:17.000I mean, just to find that there's something there.
02:00:19.000Just to find there's something there is important, yes.
02:00:22.000Now, has there ever been any discussion whatsoever about...
02:00:27.000I mean, I know they've done all this repair work on the Sphinx.
02:00:31.000Has there ever been any discussion of taking the limestone that was pulled from the Great Pyramid and somehow or another putting new limestone back up there to recreate its original look?
02:00:44.000No, nobody has ever talked about that as far as I know.
02:00:47.000But it would be a nightmarish job because all of those core blocks are all crumbly and uneven and damaged and stuff like that.
02:00:57.000And besides, they have other fish to fry.
02:00:59.000You know, they've got technology to worry about.
02:01:02.000I know, but I mean, just if people could see what it used to look like.
02:01:05.000I mean, whoever did that when they raided it to build Cairo, like what?
02:01:52.000Yes, actually the Roman, Greco-Roman writers who were there at the time studying talked about it being absolutely perfect and unpenetrable.
02:02:03.000In fact, one of them said there's a rumor that there was a hinged block at the entrance that if you pushed it or did something with it, it opened.
02:02:13.000And I've often thought that I wonder if that's the origin of Open Sesame.
02:02:40.000And there's a more long story, but we're already going over here and I won't go into it.
02:02:45.000Okay, here's this water weathering that when Schott took one look at it said, wow, this looks like they're hundreds of thousands of years old.
02:03:23.000Because of the way it's oriented, one of the reasons they come out with the date, Hancock and Boval originally came out with this 11,500, because it was a processional marker, because that would be the time as a lion, that would be the time when it lasts.
02:03:40.000Saw its own image in the sky, Leo the Lion, the constellation of Leo.
02:03:44.000That would have been the last time, I think, not that there's too much that's going on, it's in too chaotic a stage to have been done then.
02:03:53.000I think it may be the age before that, which would be about 36,000 BC, which would correspond with the Egyptian texts themselves.
02:04:02.000However, that said, it wouldn't surprise me if we were older still.
02:04:06.000Until we get a bunch of geologists and experts in their various fields to see if they can put a fix on it, and they might not be able to, but that's one of the things we look What are we looking forward to doing if we get permission to go back in there,
02:04:22.000get the funding, important, and the permissions to go there and actually get this done?
02:04:28.000And this is where actually we were just in Egypt when I climbed up and down the pyramid myself at 84. It's a complicated story, but we did get to meet the new Minister of Antiquities,
02:04:46.000who was very cordial and listed the things that we had to do in order to get formal position.
02:04:55.000But in any way, we established a personal contact with him, which was very useful.
02:05:00.000And then we also met up with the director of this new gigantic museum that they're building and that is going to open in a year or two ago.
02:05:09.000And he was very open to anything even controversial that they could apply science to.
02:05:17.000So if some of the other pieces of this trip didn't go as planned, we couldn't get to see some of the things we wanted to see for complicated reasons.
02:05:34.000Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but they think that people in this form, the form of you and I, have only been around for somewhere around 300,000 to 500,000 years.
02:05:49.000Let's go crazy and say it's a million years old.
02:05:51.000When you're looking at something like this and you're talking about 36,000 years, boy, that's...
02:05:56.000It's just crazy to think that there's this period where people are just throwing shit at each other and throwing pointed sticks at animals and kind of barely getting by, and then something like this...
02:06:13.000It just sort of erupts out of the imagination and the ingenuity of people that lived tens of thousands of years ago.
02:06:22.000Yeah, but it shouldn't be that difficult because as you keep going through the slides, you'll get to the Paleolithic caves.
02:06:28.000Now, that's more evidence of water erosion, correct?
02:07:28.000Especially considering that they still think the Sphinx is 2500 BC. Yeah, yeah, well, this is, remember, as I said, the second strongest thing in the world.
02:08:04.000This is the corner of Khafra Pyramid, and you see the two very different styles of architecture.
02:08:09.000The huge blocks below, very finely dressed, and the much cruder This is evidence of two separate stages of construction.
02:08:18.000It's like if you bought a Victorian house with an Ikea kitchen in it, you wouldn't say, oh well, they just decided to build this Victorian house and put this cool new kitchen in.
02:09:00.000People walking on top, that's what we were just looking at.
02:09:03.000So those blocks are about between 6 and 8 feet thick.
02:09:07.000Go back to the bottom one so not only they're six and eight feet thick but they're stacked on top of each other.
02:09:11.000That's right to build it up to that level.
02:09:13.000Wow yeah six and eight feet thick and then stacked on top of another one that's of a similar height.
02:09:19.000And if you go poking back into it it's all you see the joints between them are pretty rough but in fact if you poke back in there you see that they fit together that you can't you can barely get a credit card between them it's just that's that's you know lots and lots of weather over lots and lots of years.
02:09:34.000Then those are the blocks of the Great Pyramid, which are much smaller and almost presuppose a later state of construction.
02:11:19.000Much cruder, but dating from an earlier period, 6,000-7,000 B.C., something like that.
02:11:25.000So much like when they go and do excavations in Mexico City, they're building buildings down there and they have to stop construction because they find some ancient pyramid or something along those lines.
02:11:36.000So what this is, is they had an old structure and they built the new stuff on top of it.
02:11:40.000The new stuff is what we think of as the original structure, but there's evidence to the point that there was some ancient stuff below that.
02:12:02.000And this is, again, a good friend of mine has just done an elaborate book on this.
02:12:08.000And even though he's not an Egyptologist, it's being academically published.
02:12:13.000But it's going into all sorts of things having to do with this strange structure, which is one of the most resonating, powerful places in all of Egypt.
02:12:23.000We are convinced, Shock and myself, that those central pillars date from a much earlier period, and then the rest of the temple is Seti I, which is about 1300 BC. But this is too elaborate to get into here, and I'm running out of words.
02:13:21.000And Graham still, now he's getting a bit more cautious about it.
02:13:29.000But we went there, financed by this mega-millionaire Japanese industrialist, Really, I mean, he wanted to prove the existence of Lemuria.
02:13:42.000And as you see, I mean, all of those geometric looks there.
02:13:47.000And Chuck and I came to the conclusion after a week of diving there that seductive as it looks, it really is a natural, entirely a natural way.
02:13:58.000And we could even see, we don't have the pictures of it because it was the last day we were there, you could even see the way that it was formed by the nature of the rock and the action of the waves And the terrific tides that prevail there.
02:15:26.000And who knows what was going on the rest of the time when they're doing this in the dark, hidden away in these caves.
02:15:32.000And this is 31,000 B.C. So the date for us of 36,000 or thereabouts for the Sphinx and all of that is not as out of the question as you think because they date this to 31,000.
02:15:49.000And this presupposes A, an extremely sophisticated artistry and supremely sophisticated artistry is not done by morons or by primitives.
02:16:43.000Well, now it's near the Syrian border, so God knows what they're doing, but they're covering it over because once they started excavating it, it's been protected by the fill for all of these thousands of years, and it started deteriorating.
02:16:56.000So now they've Unfortunately, you can no longer see it the way that Chuck and I saw it six, seven years ago.
02:17:14.000It was actually discovered in the 90s, 94 or so, and they've been working on it ever since, and it only came into public view around 2004 or thereabouts.
02:17:26.000And here's some of the detail, and this is why Schock is fascinated by this, because that kind of thing of the anthropomorphic, of the hands grasping around the corner, Doing that was something almost identical to that in Easter Island.
02:17:42.000We think Easter Island plays a role in this whole lost civilization hypothesis.
02:18:14.000It's hard to tell exactly what it is because it's stylized, but it's a pretty brilliant piece of sculpture and you have to carve away the whole stone surface in order to get at that.
02:18:25.000I'm not sure if they know or surmise what that is.
02:18:29.000Yeah, it definitely looks like some sort of a cat.
02:18:31.000Sort of like a puma, some sort of a puma.
02:19:07.000There's a bunch of pottery in Egypt in terms of carved stone pottery where they have zero idea how they constructed it with a very thin lip and then it goes inside contoured.
02:19:19.000Yeah, I think we have one of those there.
02:19:21.000This is a bracelet found recently in Turkey, made of obsidian, which is an almost impossible stone to work with.
02:19:29.000And the ridges on it, they, again, not us, have found by doing a careful study of it geometrically, that it's very sophisticated geometry at work.
02:19:39.000I forget exactly what it is that's at At issue here, but it's not just a couple cavemen saying, well, you know, my wife is pissed off at me, so I better give her something nice for our anniversary.
02:19:49.000So I said, well, here's a nice chunk of obsidian.
02:19:52.000I think I'll do a little bracelet for her.
02:20:04.000Okay, this is Sardinia, which is a treasure of megalithic, misunderstood...
02:20:12.000Look at these extreme, fantastic structures.
02:20:15.000We think, shockin' myself, that this may be, a lot of this may be in answer to this massive coronal mass ejection that happened maybe thousands of years earlier even, and people are still building things to keep them safe from another one of these.
02:20:32.000Now, what would be the effect of a coronal mass ejection?
02:21:29.000It's a great way to do it if it's possible.
02:21:31.000There are some people, but, you know, when the world is overpopulated, to the extent that it is, it's not going to get to an awful lot of people very quickly.
02:22:09.000This is the stone circle in Egypt, in Nabda Playa, as it's called, that looks completely fragmented and rough.
02:22:16.000But in fact, even this, the academics, the archaeoastronomers acknowledge is astronomically oriented, and there's a physicist, an archaeoastronomer named Tom Brophy, who studied it much more carefully and has found much more sophisticated alignments than just solstices and equinoxes.
02:22:40.000That's a common thread in ancient architecture, which is really fascinating, is the alignment with celestial bodies.
02:22:53.000Well, what they're doing, back to procession, for whatever reason that we don't understand, but with the evidences there, festivals and all sorts of things like that are attuned.
02:23:04.000Take place at these critical, let's call them energy points.
02:23:10.000And what they're doing, and it's quite clear that they're doing it, is that they're orchestrating their entire civilization.
02:23:19.000They're tuning their entire civilization to the movements of the heavens.
02:24:31.000He's an expert in computer languages and things like that.
02:24:35.000So he's He's very good at this kind of work, and he finds that in the first book of his called Science of the Dogen, that this Dogen cosmology of this rather simple tribe in Western Africa,
02:24:56.000Has their cosmology, which they know about, they can transmit it, is in fact consistent with the latest wrinkles and string theory and torsion theory and high-energy physics and all that sort of stuff.
02:25:11.000And then that led him to the study of other civilizations.
02:25:15.000And he's now six or seven books into it.
02:25:18.000And really what he's doing is it's unrecognized except by a handful of people.
02:25:33.000This complex cosmology is understood and expressed by every society, virtually every society that he's looked into, including the Chinese.
02:25:45.000That was a relatively recent book and he's ending up with a master picture puzzle of all of these ancient civilizations and there's no dating them exactly, but it's become quite clear through this body of work that the ancients had this The same,
02:26:05.000effectively, the same cosmology and the same understanding of it.
02:26:09.000We think that this is a hand-me-down from the ancient civilization that we're busy trying to validate.
02:26:22.000Meaning the survivors of this coronal mass.
02:26:26.000The people that existed before the coronal mass that had achieved some sort of a high level of sophistication, and then these people with whatever knowledge was left over, whatever they had managed to save.
02:26:36.000Something of that sort, or they were the same people who were everywhere and had it to begin with.
02:26:41.000What you're seeing up here, figure 12.4, the quantum frenzy can cause a string-anti-string pair to erupt and annihilate, yielding a more complicated interaction.
02:28:59.000It's not anything that you can base, you know, you can't be sure of it, but suddenly that strange line does have some corroboration.
02:29:10.000I think it's very hard for us to put into perspective what it would be like if there was some sort of a high level of sophistication involved in the society back then and then they experienced whatever it was, whether it was meteor showers, super volcanoes, asteroid impacts,
02:29:26.000whatever it is, and then trying to retain a certain amount of it and pass it on to your children, how things would get so convoluted and distorted, and there would be very little left.
02:29:40.000But the people would be of the same sophistication in terms of the same kind of minds, the same sized brains, the same capability.
02:29:51.000They would just have to relearn everything all over again.
02:29:53.000Well, I think there's a good case that can be made for that because stuff gets, after this catastrophe, Things really do go into a tailspin, and then around 3000 BC,
02:30:11.0004000 BC, all of a sudden, all over the place, very sophisticated Civilizations arise, but based upon this ancient knowledge, the mythology is all there to begin with, but suddenly there's Sumeria, and around the same time there's Egypt,
02:30:28.000there's China, for sure, there's India, and all of these seem to arrive at a very high level of understanding around that 4000 or so date.
02:30:40.000Especially Sumer, when they go over some of the ancient, those clay tablets, when they see the depictions of the solar system, that's where it gets really confusing.
02:30:49.000It's like, how the hell did they know this?
02:30:51.000How did they know that there was a sun in the center and that all these planets were in the correct size?
02:30:56.000I mean, they had Jupiter in the correct size, in the correct position, Mars in the correct position.
02:31:55.000I mean, it clearly shows the sun with what we, you know, our standard sort of image of a sun where it's a circle and the radiating sort of lines outside of it.
02:32:04.000And then it has all these planets circling around it.
02:33:15.000Yeah, myths, because things change shape, and one thing becomes another, and when those are shown pictorially, it doesn't mean that it's to be taken literally.
02:33:26.000There's the original, so you can see it there in the background.
02:34:04.000And then it's with a solar disk in it.
02:34:07.000And what they're talking about, I think the Egyptologists talk about a stellar cult and a solar cult.
02:34:13.000And that as soon as you call anything a cult, it becomes, you can talk about it because it's somebody else's religion and therefore superstition.
02:34:22.000But what it's talking about, and probably this too, It's two levels.
02:34:29.000In other words, it's the solar sky, our solar system, and the star around it is the zodiacal sky, is the constellational sky.
02:34:39.000So it's two levels of the hierarchy simultaneously.
02:34:45.000But it's just amazing that you're talking about such a long, long time ago and they had all the little planets there.
02:38:23.000And now that Graham Hancock has got a lot of, uh, traction on his work and his new book, Magicians of the Gods, and Randall Carlson, who's an expert on asteroidal impacts, has sort of impacted his work as well, and really, uh, uh, sort of, Made it more interesting because he's provided a context with some historical,
02:38:45.000like actual scientific evidence of impacts.
02:38:54.000I'm not, yeah, sorry, not Gobekli Tepe, that's Nob de Playa, but that's one of Schock's slides, I think, and I'm not sure what he's driving at there.
02:39:05.000Some sort of constellation in the background.
02:39:09.000That's Brophy's slides, where he's looking for much more sophisticated information in Nob de Playa.
02:39:17.000And even if his more far-out speculations are just speculation, I think there could be Just the basic the basic premise is already of great significance that that this is because this is dated to five six thousand B.C. That makes it the oldest dateable stone circle now one of the things I was going to I forgot when we were talking earlier about this idea of the precession of equinoxes,
02:39:44.000the wobble of the Earth being caused perhaps by a dwarf star that we don't know exactly where it is.
02:39:50.000That was one of the theories about whatever it is outside of the Kuiper Belt.
02:39:56.000That there's this object out there now that their 90% plus sure exists, and they're calling it, you know, Planet X or whatever it is.
02:40:05.000They think that it's at least four times larger than the Earth, and it's somewhere outside of the Kuiper Belt, which is now what they believe Pluto's a part of, right?
02:42:58.000That's why I call them the quackademics.
02:43:00.000Because every week there's something coming along disproving stuff that they've been insisting has been right for the last 10 or 15 or 20 years.
02:43:17.000I mean, it's just, it's so interesting.
02:43:19.000We know so much, but so little at the same time.
02:43:24.000You know, I think it was Dennis McKenna had this great saying that when the bonfire of understanding grows, it illuminates the surface area of ignorance.
02:43:40.000Yeah, that you realize, like, the brighter the light, like, wow, there's so much you don't know.
02:43:46.000And then also, you have to distinguish between knowledge and understanding.
02:43:50.000For example, with the quackademic, Egyptologists, they have a lot of facts at their disposal that they do not understand at all.
02:43:59.000And that's why, I mean, my own work, Schwaller's own work, Couldn't have been done without all of that careful factual work by the Egyptologists.
02:44:07.000And what I do, or what we do, I mean, those of us who are looking into this, we take that factual material and schwallerize it.
02:44:15.000And that gives us a certain degree of understanding, which those jerks don't have at all.
02:44:29.000I want to skip stuff now because I'm running out of words, which is hard to do.
02:44:34.000That's one of those very hard stone vase.
02:44:40.000With this thin lip and the walls of the vase are about as thick as the rim of the lip.
02:44:45.000And this is all made out of one piece of a very hard stone called Green Shift.
02:44:52.000And we think, actually, shocking myself, and an idea by another friend of mine, a very good writer named Paul William Roberts, was his suggestion that, hey, maybe these stone things, there's quite a few of them, Date from the earlier period and were kept as sacred objects all of those years.
02:45:11.000And of course, if they were kept and guarded and not broken, and a hammer breaks it, but were kept in one piece, you know, X number of thousand years, they wouldn't be weathered or anything.
02:45:23.000They'd be fine as long as they were protected.
02:45:26.000Now, is there any speculation whatsoever as to the method that they use to create something like this?
02:46:42.000It's not at all clear that they did it in the allotted 25 years or something of the sort.
02:46:47.000Why they did it, I mean, again, to an academic, the only possible explanation is that they were tombs, even though there's no evidence whatsoever that they were tombs.
02:46:57.000But if they say they were tombs, they don't need evidence.
02:47:00.000I don't know, except what I'm pretty sure is that there weren't tombs and there weren't tombs only.
02:47:06.000My general sense of it is that since everything in Egypt has its focus, the quest for immortality in some way, shape or form, they enhance That quest.
02:47:21.000They make it possible to do things that you wouldn't otherwise do.
02:47:25.000I can tell you, you get enough people together and come on a trip or come on your own.
02:47:29.000When we do our two-hour meditation in the pyramid, you come out of there knowing that you've not been just in a quiet bathroom.
02:48:17.000It is a dumb theory if you don't think there's such a thing as initiation.
02:48:21.000And if you think that illumination is dependent upon electricity, well, you'll not be able to think Egyptian.
02:48:28.000But if you've been to the places and have experienced for yourself the power of these places, then explanations of that sort, even though they don't count as I mean, they're speculative, for sure,
02:48:43.000but when you don't have any evidence for them being tombs, that's pretty speculative, too.
02:49:29.000Underneath the bedrock, and that's the so-called Hall of Records.
02:49:33.000People think that's what Edgar Cayce is talking about.
02:49:36.000We're iffy about it other than that the seismograph does not know how to channel.
02:49:42.000So it just says what's there and what's there.
02:49:45.000It knows there's a void, and at the very back, it's a little bit, you don't see, it's the edge of the sea.
02:49:50.000See, at the very end, by the rump, that is also a chamber, and that's absolutely, it's known that it's there, and this gives you the same profile, seismologically.
02:49:59.000But there's no known way to get into these things?
02:50:01.000Yeah, the back one, there's a way, it's a very rough cut chamber, and there's a, just behind there, one of those stones, if you pull it away, And you can get in and it's a room, rough, it's very rough, but about the size of the room that we're in here, the studio.
02:50:15.000So if that's a room, then it stands to reason, seismographical reason anyway, that A is also a cavern or a grotto or a construction or something.
02:50:27.000So what we're looking at with A, when you see all those circles around it and the rough shape of it, that's the shape that they believe the room is.
02:50:34.000So it would be similar to the one that's at the rump, where it would be like kind of a rough room?
02:52:07.000The geology is much more important as far as I'm concerned.
02:52:11.000And my guess is that when we finally break open the portcullis and capture all of the quackademics that it protects at the moment, which I don't know.
02:52:44.000And at that point, maybe then the funding shows up and the...
02:52:50.000And the determination comes up to actually look into that void or chamber and see if it is indeed a void or chamber and if there's something in there.
02:52:59.000Is it possible that there's some other things in Egypt that haven't been discovered yet?
02:53:10.000Landsat, infrared, something, you know, when you can photograph underground, they have, yeah, there are hundreds of sites that they know are there, graves and tombs and stuff like that, but most of them, I don't think that kind of photography, I thought there's a name for it,
02:53:26.000I don't think that kind of photography goes deep enough for us to establish the lost civilization.
02:53:48.000Okay, well this is now, this is Shock's book, and he'll be at CPAC. Is this a recent book?
02:53:53.000That's his last book, yeah, that's a recent book.
02:53:55.000The Role of Solar Outbursts in Our Past and Future, Forgotten Civilizations, the title.
02:54:01.000Yeah, very interesting thesis, and backed up by a lot of solid scholarship.
02:54:10.000And Shock will be at the CPAC, this particular CPAC. So he thinks it was a solar outburst more than they think it was an asteroidal impact.
02:54:20.000He thinks, although they're not necessarily antithetical.
02:54:23.000The dates, in other words, it could have been...
02:55:00.000And here, these are these figures that show up through the electron microscope and that are mirrored by those strange, dancing, multi-headed, multi-armed Figures at the petroglyphs at the top,
02:55:17.000usually at the upper registers of the petroglyph facade.
02:55:58.000There was a whole bunch of other stuff that I wanted on.
02:56:01.000Well, some stuff I wanted to whisk through, but what was up there, maybe I'll send it to you, is the map of Dhamfakistan, of greater and lesser Dhamfakistan, which is very useful.
02:56:15.000And my five cowboys and the graphic of the five cowboys.
02:56:53.000Do you feel like people are slowly but surely starting to come around at the concepts of these ancient civilizations being not the primitive people that we've been told, but maybe perhaps really complex...
02:57:09.000Well, a lot of people, the trouble is that the picture is muddied.
02:57:14.000I mean, the academics are almost as staunch as ever in their delusion.
02:57:21.000But the trouble is that the whole scenario is muddied and it's almost unavoidable by...
02:57:28.000Ancient aliens and Zechariah Sitchin and a whole bunch of nutcases that think that aliens built the pyramids and all of that sort of stuff.
02:57:35.000So, yes, more people are interested, but the percentage of those that are actually capable of...
02:57:46.000Of sifting the evidence and intellectually honest enough to accept what stands up to scrutiny and not.
02:57:57.000Numerically, there are lots more of them than there were, but statistically, they're a very, very small percentage of A very small percentage of the populace that actually care or understand it.
02:58:12.000But it only takes a certain small percentage.
02:58:15.000Have you ever tried to get your Magical Egypt series on Netflix?
02:58:19.000No, not on Netflix, but they probably wouldn't take it because they'd have to make, A, you'd have to cut a really lousy deal with them, and B, the numbers probably wouldn't justify it.
03:00:32.000Just the sheer depth of the information when you go over, like, the temple and man and all the different – just the different incredible structures that exist in Egypt that most people don't even discuss.
03:00:45.000Oh, they don't know about and they don't want to discuss it.
03:00:48.000But chances – I mean, that's – You know, the way to really watch, people have told me this, me too.
03:03:02.000And I think that if you could get it on Netflix, and I could tweet it and let the world know and try to get people to spread the word.
03:03:08.000I think once people see it, they just start...
03:03:10.000Like that making of a murderer thing, you know, that caught all that traction entirely because it was on Netflix and word of mouth, mostly.
03:03:17.000I really think that Magical Egypt is one of those things.
03:03:21.000Well, what I would like to do, actually, and I hope my pal Clay and some other people are going to help me with this, I'd like to get some of my other, when I'm wearing my other hat, my writers, my Bohemian beret instead of my Egyptological pith helmet,
03:03:38.000because I've got a whole lifetime's worth of work, much of which has been produced But none of it really commercially successful and it's just sitting there waiting to get done and Netflix would be the perfect venue for it if I had something to show them,
03:04:02.000I mean, that's one of the best things about the Internet is that something like that can kind of spring up and become a bigger network than any of the networks on television.
03:04:11.000Well, the networks are about to die in good riddance.
03:04:14.000Well, it's a silly idea, but it was good back when there was no other ideas.
03:04:19.000You had to sit through those commercials and wait for the next segment, and then you watch ten minutes and the commercials popped on again, you rolled your eyes and waited for the commercials again.
03:05:00.000It's fun to be here, and thanks for inviting me.
03:05:02.000Well, thank you, and thank you for all of your work, because I think you've done a great service to the world to sort of shine light on this amazing civilization.