Most people in America consider Calabasas, California to be one of the safest places in the country, but Adam Greentree lives in Australia, surrounded by snakes which kill you like instantly, and bears which can kill you in a flash. But yet, the one day he's in the safest place in America, he gets into a fight with a bear and the next day, he's out in the mountains hunting for bears. Find out what happened that day, and why it's not as safe as it should be, and how he managed to survive it. Plus, find out if he's scared of bears, and if it's really as bad as he thinks it is, and what he's doing to prepare for the next time he has to deal with one. Also, if you don't like snakes, don't worry, this episode's not for you! We'll be back next week with a new episode where we'll be talking about scorpions and other creepy crawlies, so don't miss that! We hope you enjoy this episode, and don't forget to subscribe on your favourite streaming platform so you won't miss the next episode next week's episode of CreepyPasta! Cheers, Cheers. Cheers from The Creepy Pasta Boys! Cheers! -Jono & Jamie xx (Jono) (Jamie) Jono: Jamie: (Chad: ) Cam: Chad: . (Cam: , Sam: :D) Sam Kinsey: Joni: Ben: Sam : Tim: Jake: Cassie: Ian: Chris: Jack: Can you tell us what you think of this episode? Adam: ? Is it safe in America? Can it be safer in Australia than Australia? (Ben: ?) Will it be safe in the US? Is there a better place to shoot a bear in the middle of the country? Do you think it's safe in Australia?? Can we go back to Australia in Australia in a better than Australia in the next week? Thanks for listening to this episode?? (and would you like to send us a picture of your thoughts on it? ) (Can you help us send us out to the rest of the world in the States? ? )
00:01:50.000But for the most part, it's pretty peaceful, right?
00:01:52.000Yeah, most people are worried about grizzly bears, but you could be around them for days and days, and most likely nothing's going to happen.
00:02:47.000So I killed that bull in the afternoon, packed out a decent load of meat that night, went back in the first morning, the next morning, to pack out the rest of the meat, and was going in there looking, thinking there could be a bear on the carcass.
00:02:59.000And sure enough, I seen a bit of brown hair in the creek bottom.
00:03:22.000And it actually got me thinking that if you didn't see a bear coming from a distance, handgun, bear spray, whatever you've got, you'd be in serious trouble.
00:03:30.000Because he just left that scene dead quiet and in a flash.
00:03:34.000They can move so fast in those pads that they have on the bottoms of their feet.
00:03:40.000And you would think that a thousand-pound animal wouldn't be able to move that quick.
00:03:44.000Yeah, so I'm strapping meat to my pack.
00:03:47.000Obviously, there's always a blind spot when you're hunched over.
00:03:50.000I reckon it took me three times longer to get the meat on my pack because I was just constantly looking over, waiting for that bear to come back.
00:03:56.000Because I haven't actually been to the carcass again yet.
00:03:58.000I've seen the bear on the way back in.
00:04:11.000And you're alone, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep into the mountains.
00:04:14.000At the end of that hunt, I was talking to the fishing game warden in the area, and a big grizzly had gone into another hunter's camp on the mountain and just absolutely destroyed his camp.
00:04:24.000Now, I don't know if it was the same bear or a different bear, but on three occasions, a big brown bear or grizzly come back into my camp.
00:04:32.000And each night that he'd come in, he'd get a little bit closer.
00:04:35.000So the first night he circled camp about 50, 60 metres away.
00:04:38.000The next night he circled camp about 30 metres away.
00:04:42.000And the third time he came in, he'd come right into the back of camp, like 15 metres away, let out this gnarly growl.
00:04:49.000And at this point, my buddy Grant Hughes has come in to help me pack out some meat.
00:04:53.000He's in his tent, I'm in my tent, when you hear this bear walking in through the snow and lets out a growl.
00:05:59.000Meat was hanging up probably a good mile from camp, because we had a few different drop points, because it was a four days hike out of meat.
00:06:07.000So we had different drop points along the way, and I never wanted to take any meat in the camp except for what I'd be eating each night.
00:06:13.000Which cooked meat might smell pretty good to a bear, but I was more concerned about the scent that we would be carrying on our boots from meat site to meat site and then walking back into camp.
00:06:23.000But that bear had already been in the camp.
00:06:26.000He knew where we were and he was doing his rounds obviously every night.
00:06:29.000Have you done an adventure like this before?
00:06:31.000This is an epic adventure because you went to Montana, you parked, and then how many miles did you go deep into the woods?
00:06:38.000It was probably about 12 miles in the end.
00:06:40.000That's no trails or anything like that, 12 miles in.
00:08:01.000There's a real problem with the human brain.
00:08:03.000It's like we were talking about our pal Cam Haynes in this 200-mile run he just did.
00:08:07.000And when there's a challenge in front of you and you find out that someone has done it before, you start going, hmm, man, maybe I could do 200 miles...
00:08:14.000He's like, there's something fucked up about people's brains where when you find that someone's doing something like, I have zero desire to take five months out of my life and walk from Georgia to Maine.
00:08:25.000Yeah, but I bet you once you got it done, that's the difference.
00:08:44.000One of his buddies is a trail guy, and they were talking about lightweight gear and how they pack stuff.
00:08:51.000The difference between what a guy uses for hunting and what someone uses for, like, just these long, long, long, long hikes, where they essentially wear the same clothes for five months.
00:09:03.000Well, I mean, I guess you maybe get a chance occasionally to wash them somewhere, but everything is, like, the lightest possible stuff that you could have.
00:09:13.000And when you do this, say, if you're going to go out there and you're planning on how many days?
00:09:19.00015. I wanted to do at least half the month in Montana and I wanted to do the other half of the month in Idaho.
00:09:26.000So 15 days and a little bit of the trip's got to be unprepared in a sense.
00:09:31.000When you're doing 15 days, that sort of hunt because the country's like straight up and down.
00:09:38.000There's no, I'm going to drive to the Ridgeline or I'm going to walk a decent trail to the Ridgeline or take an ATV and it's just all on foot, straight up and down country.
00:09:47.000So And to have a little bit of roughness to a trip like that, where you are roughing it, that's a bit of the appeal as well, and the experience in doing it.
00:09:58.000I was just talking with the guys at Hoyt, and they were asking, what's the essentials that you had in your pack that you wouldn't go without?
00:10:06.000And I'm like, well, how about I tell you about the stuff that I wish I had in my pack and that I didn't go without?
00:10:14.000I didn't take any rain gear in, and I didn't check the weather before I went in, deliberately, because I didn't want any deterrent on the trip.
00:10:21.000Like, oh, it's going to snow, or it's going to hail, or there's going to be gale force winds, I shouldn't go in today, or I should pack this extra.
00:10:27.000I just, I wanted to ignore all that, just go in, just live in the wilderness, basically, with the minimal.
00:15:39.000And that's handy as well, because I'm camped at the top, so I want to find the highest water source so I don't have to drop down so far each day.
00:16:08.000I have a couple of things that are strapped to that pack, which would make it bigger than that, but generally everything fits inside that pack.
00:16:39.000So if the weather's miserable and you just want to get it done, it boils water super quick.
00:16:44.000And you run a tank of propane, small water?
00:16:46.000Yeah, just a real little backpack one.
00:16:48.000And then because I went in there when it was stinking hot, like it was cooking, like it was the hottest weather you'd have.
00:16:55.000You wouldn't even imagine having a fire in that weather from risk of a wildfire, you know, starting the bushfire, to, you know, it hailed, it rained and it snowed, everything got wet.
00:17:05.000It was safe at that point to have a fire.
00:17:07.000And then a lot of the cooking that I end up doing was just over the fire.
00:17:12.000Um, cause I would have ran out of gas before those 15 days were up if I was using just that one canister the whole time and that you'd end up having to pack out, go into town, buy the gas and then pack all the way back in.
00:17:24.000You'd end up losing two days cause it was a, it was a full day walking out with no weight at all.
00:17:30.000Like just speed walking down the mountain, trying to get out of there was a full day.
00:18:03.000I've actually been carrying, I didn't use them on this trip either, but a little water filtration pill, which is always handy.
00:18:11.000So you didn't have to carry your filter kit every day.
00:18:13.000If you come across some decent water that was down low, you could just put the pill in.
00:18:17.000But where a lot of people go wrong with the water filtration and the pills is you still require both if you come across dirty water because the pill's only going to kill bacteria within reasonably clear water.
00:18:33.000So if you're scooping up dirty water, putting a pill in and then drinking it, anything that's within the solids of that water, you're still going to get sick from.
00:18:40.000So in a sense, you still need the two of them if you're doing a hunt like that.
00:18:47.000The water filtration is awesome because it's 99.999% of all bacteria that's going to filter out of your water.
00:19:12.000And then if I did get a hot day, this was the plan, it never ever happened.
00:19:16.000But if I did get a hot day and I came past a stream...
00:19:19.000I was actually going to wash some clothes in a dry bag, just a bit of water in the clothes, and then hang them up.
00:19:25.000I just never got that break in the weather.
00:19:28.000I wanted to hunt every day and every minute of light, so I'd just get up in the morning and put wet clothes on if I didn't dry them on the fire that night.
00:19:34.000So it sounds like most of the weight in your pack is food.
00:21:08.000Yeah, I lost a lot of weight doing it.
00:21:10.000But yeah, definitely done it on purpose.
00:21:12.000There'd be some days where I'd just have a snack in the morning for breakfast, like an energy bar, an actual energy bar in the morning.
00:21:20.000And I'd go all the way through and I wouldn't hike back in the camp until 11.30 at night because I was trying to stay out where I thought the bulls were.
00:21:27.000And I'd have a quick dinner in camp that night and that was it.
00:21:31.000And I wouldn't even feel hungry throughout the day.
00:21:34.000I think just from being so active, and obviously good water intake whenever you can, there was never a point where I'm like, oh, far out, I'm starving today, you know, I'm not going any further until I eat or anything like that.
00:22:34.000Do your research, find the area with the least amount of activity and then put a dot in the middle or roughly in the middle and that's where you should set up camp.
00:22:43.000Get in there, live with the bulls or whatever animals you're hunting, get in there and live with them.
00:22:49.000I think not being afraid to fail on a hunt's the big one because, you know, a lot of people, well, there mightn't even be any bulls there, but, you know, who cares?
00:22:57.000It's going to be an awesome experience anyway.
00:22:59.000And it's a place that you can tick off the list.
00:23:08.000I had hunted around that area previously, so I knew there was elk in the area.
00:23:14.000I just had never been that far back in before.
00:23:17.000And I'll tell you the truth, it nearly completely failed on me because I went days and days without hearing or seeing an elk.
00:23:23.000But the sign was there to say they were in there.
00:23:26.000It's just that the grizzlies and the wolves were hunting that area so hard that it shut the elk up and pushed a lot of them out of the area.
00:24:02.000Hunting should never be, unless you've done your research, going into a place and there's just like game walking past you everywhere.
00:24:08.000There should always be, because that's the hunt, right?
00:24:10.000Finding it or going through the hardship to find it.
00:24:14.000Tracking it, finding where's the better spot within that area.
00:24:18.000So at the same time that my mind's like, you know, you've made a bad decision, this is a crap spot to be, there's the whole experience of like, no, this is how hunting should be.
00:24:29.000You should have to work your ass off to try and find the animal.
00:24:32.000And when you actually do find the animal, how much better is it?
00:24:35.000Because, you know, it's just like if you hunted for 11 months, We're good to go.
00:25:02.000And I did that shot, and dude, I teed up.
00:25:05.000I was crying because I knew how much had gone into it.
00:25:09.000And it's not just the effort, but obviously I'm away from my wife Kim and the kids.
00:25:14.000I'm away from the kids for a month now.
00:25:17.000There's all that sacrifice, there's all the hard shit, there's all the effort.
00:25:20.000There's walking in, there's putting up with that absolutely atrocious weather, and then finally one opportunity comes up and you kill that animal, as well as killing the animal.
00:25:49.000Well, there's a lot of elk in Montana, but Montana is so huge.
00:25:54.000I mean, it's such a massive, massive place, and the amount of wilderness that you're encountering, if you have herds of elk all over the place, it's super likely that you could wind up in a spot with nothing around you for miles and miles around.
00:26:29.000What's weird is what we were talking about before the podcast started, you were talking about Australia and what you call the greenies, which are the green people that want to, they don't want animals to die and they want this population to explode, but there's not a balance.
00:26:43.000And that was the idea behind reintroducing wolves.
00:26:48.000Was to create a balance because there was a lot of animals that were living in the Yellowstone, greater, you know, Yellowstone area.
00:26:58.000But the problem was they had an agreement when they introduced these wolves that when they reached a sustainable population, they reached a certain number, several thousand wolves, then they would open up a hunting season on them to try to control the population.
00:27:11.000But as soon as they reached that number, the people that were involved in the relocation of the wolves and the wildlife protection people and all the people that are like really animal rights advocates, they backed out of it.
00:27:25.000And they said, no, we don't want any hunting on any of these wolves ever.
00:28:01.000The whole time I was like, fucking wolves.
00:28:02.000They've wrecked this joint, but I didn't see any wolves either.
00:28:06.000Well, the elk have decided that people are super safe because no one has hunted in Yellowstone for, you know, a hundred and whatever the hell years.
00:28:12.000So when you go to the visitor area, when you first pull into Yellowstone, like Yellowstone has like this, uh, and this is on the Montana side.
00:28:19.000Yellowstone has this area where there's like a gas station and there's like a store and it's fucking elk everywhere.
00:30:34.000My issue is that humans, in a sense, are the ultimate predator, right?
00:30:38.000And that everything should be not controlled, but, you know, what's a good way of saying this is that being the apex predator that we are, we've obviously got a part in the whole food chain as well when it comes to things like that.
00:31:00.000And I can see, you know, we were talking before about the wolves being introduced to control the population and the numbers, but there's obviously got to be a point where the wolves are controlled as well, right?
00:31:33.000But what they would do back then was they would shoot these wild horses and then they would shoot a wolf.
00:31:38.000They would shoot like one of the alphas and they would take the wolf and rub it and take its scent glands and rub it all over the dead horse and then fill the horse up with strychnine.
00:31:48.000So the other wolves would come around, they would smell their missing alpha friend and they would eat this horse carcass and they would get the strychnine and die.
00:31:58.000So doing that, they extirpated wolves from the majority of the American West.
00:32:19.000There's a very small number of them in Washington State, but the small number of them, the small number of wolf packs, have started attacking cattle ranches.
00:33:31.000Well, I actually wound up sleeping in the back of the Suburban.
00:33:33.000We had a Suburban, and I was like, why are you guys going to sleep on the ground when you just fold the seats back and sleep on this flat area?
00:33:40.000So I camped out in the back of a Suburban while these dummies are sleeping on the ground.
00:33:44.000On cow patties, like all hunched over.
00:33:47.000Well, they want to be down with nature, man.
00:33:56.000But it's, you know, these animals, if you're going to let them wander around like that, roam free, which is nice because they're essentially almost wild.
00:34:27.000There's got to be some sort of line there where we work in conjunction with wildlife.
00:34:31.000Whether you're a rancher or not, whether you're losing income or not, that's got to be part of the system.
00:34:38.000Maybe it should be subsidized by the taxpayers.
00:34:40.000Instead of killing the wolves, maybe they should subsidize some of these ranchers.
00:34:44.000I mean, if these wolves are killing, it's only a certain amount.
00:34:47.000As long as they've taken some measure of protection to try to keep the wolves away, but to ensure a healthy wolf population would ensure a balanced ecosystem.
00:34:57.000They can't bring it back to where they used to be, because where they used to be, there was no wolves.
00:35:25.000And I've heard stories about the farmer just going out and shooting his cattle along the train line so that the mines pay him for the cows.
00:35:51.000But there's a certain amount of numbers where the wolves reach a high population number where all the other animals start getting threatened.
00:35:58.000Like, there was a recent situation in Wyoming where these wolves killed 19 elk and didn't even eat them.
00:36:29.000They don't want to kill the kangaroos, but for the better...
00:36:33.000For the better benefit of kangaroos, there has to come a point where the numbers need to be controlled, otherwise they eat their self out of land and home, they get diseases, and it takes weeks to die, like a suffering death.
00:38:40.000They chased a caribou up and down the river, like, just to a lavering sweat.
00:38:45.000Then they chased it in the river and they surrounded it in the river.
00:38:49.000And that caribou, and it was a bull as well, got to the point, its whole body was quivering because it's been really hot and then it's been chased into this freezing cold river.
00:38:58.000At that point, the wolves just left it and they all went up and sat in the sun because they were all wet as well.
00:39:04.000They went and sat in the sun and they got all dry and then it was like Mother Nature just took over from that point.
00:39:09.000They got the caribou to the point where they knew it was going to die and left it.
00:41:40.000An elk that runs flat out, that's got legs that stand this tall off the ground, or a fat cow that's down here that won't even run away, you know?
00:42:30.000Well, a lot of people are always like, oh, that's crazy.
00:42:34.000It's actually not that crazy when you go out and experience.
00:42:36.000That sort of thing's happening all the time.
00:42:38.000It's just that people are so disconnected because they're not out there experiencing it.
00:42:42.000I was telling a story about, we've got a wedge-tailed eagle at home, and I can hear this pig squealing like, I'm like...
00:42:50.000Like, my ears just can't pick up where this pig squealing's coming from, and it's going straight over the top of my head.
00:42:54.000There's a wedge-tailed eagle with this pig, and it flies it over.
00:42:58.000It knew exactly what it was doing, and flies it, gets it up real high, and it drops it perfectly over this rocky outcrop on the mountain to open it up.
00:43:07.000Like, that's like me and you going, I need a steak knife to cut into this meat.
00:48:36.000It's crazy that technology's brought us this far, where we can look at a video right now at that sloth, but to tell you the truth, if you hadn't travelled the world, you wouldn't even know that animal really existed.
00:48:46.000Well, that's why they used to have to have zoos.
00:48:48.000That's one of the main reasons why I'm opposed to zoos.
00:48:50.000I mean, I'm pro-zoo as far as, like, they raise a lot of money for conservation.
00:48:55.000There's some animals that actually thrive in zoos.
00:48:58.000Like, we were joking around about it the other day about giraffes.
00:49:00.000I used to have this joke in my act about giraffes don't give a fuck about being in a zoo.
00:51:29.000And that's just because there was fresh snow.
00:51:31.000I'm sure there was fresh mountain tracks everywhere I walked every day, but it's just that there was fresh snow and it left the tracks perfectly in the snow.
00:51:37.000How many times do you walk past a mountain lion and it's staring at you?
00:51:41.000Or how many times has there been a mountain lion off in the distance looking at you?
00:51:46.000And then every now and then you'll get a weird feeling like I'm being...
00:51:50.000It's a funny sense, you know, and I hate saying about it because people will say, oh, bullshit.
00:51:54.000But I'll get a funny feeling that something's looking at me.
00:51:57.000And if I stop at that point and have a look around, chances are I'll find a deer or a fox or something staring at me from up on the ridge or in the timber or something like that.
00:53:26.000I feel like something's watching us, or the way you react, or you're listening, or what you hear, and just all your senses become so fine-tuned to the wilderness.
00:53:38.000Yeah, the move forward is an interesting way of looking at it, because I don't think technology necessarily is having us move forward, but what it's definitely having us do is move different.
00:53:48.000We're interacting with each other less in the physical sense and more in the digital sense, and we're way less likely to interact with the rest of the wild world.
00:53:58.000I mean, the wild, that's a weird term too.
00:54:01.000Like, I've always felt like the word outdoors.
00:54:05.000Like, how fucking weird are people that we call the whole world outdoors, but are, you know, like, We're so used to being in these shelters that the sheltered life is normal, but the outdoors, out of the shelter.
00:56:11.000I'll come back and get it when it's convenient for me and pull it out.
00:56:14.000So you get to do a lot more in today's world, but there's so much to do that a lot of people don't get to do what we do and go outdoors and experience that or appreciate those things because they haven't had that hardship before.
00:56:27.000The mountains can be a hard and miserable experience, but it makes you appreciate the things in modern life that aren't hard anymore.
00:56:37.000It's a perspective enhancer because it's a reality check because you realize, wow, what a strange world we live in that we need shelter and we need fire and we need all this stuff in order to survive.
00:56:49.000But without that stuff, when you're out there as minimalistic as you've done it, like doing it with a small pack, which is Just a few days worth of food and sleeping under a cloth house, a little tent, you know?
00:57:00.000I mean, that's a perspective enhancer because it gives you this real appreciation of what people have actually accomplished.
00:58:28.000There's not like, oh, they don't have the $20 to buy a blanket.
00:58:31.000There's not even the resource for there to be a blanket available for them to buy.
00:58:35.000There's babies crawling around in dust that's like 6, 7, 8 inches thick, the dust, around the village, because, you know, they all walk around the village and create a lot of dust.
00:58:47.000That's what they're used to and they're happy.
00:58:49.000Throw someone from our society in that, man, they'd be miserable.
00:58:53.000They'd probably cut their own friggin' wrists.
00:58:56.000And I come home from there thinking those people have got it that hard, that's what they're used to, but they've got it that hard and they're still smiling.
00:59:35.000One of the strange things that we've created by creating houses that have electricity inside them and easy access to food and shelter, sleep in a nice comfortable mattress.
00:59:47.000By doing that and by detaching ourselves from the natural world, I think we remove just a little bit of the mystery of being alive.
00:59:55.000How bizarre it really is to be a living creature.
01:00:01.000I mean, when you're walking through the woods and you're seeing that grizzly bear who's sleeping on the carcass of that elk, that bear has been living like that probably for, if you ran into an 11-foot bear, how many years is he?
01:03:32.000But at the end of the day, I know it's an animal.
01:03:34.000And it's not a senseless way of saying it, because I believe hunters, or the hunters that I've met, are the most compassionate people that you'll ever meet.
01:03:42.000Because it is a hard thing to take an animal's life, but I know it's part of the process, you know?
01:03:49.000It's not like I'm just, let's just go out and kill an elk.
01:05:10.000Well, it becomes this super complex system that has everything in place.
01:05:13.000It's got a system to dissolve bodies, and the bacteria dissolves what the animals don't eat, and there's just this really complex pattern that's in place that's been in place forever.
01:05:24.000And what you're doing as a hunter is just going into it and becoming, for a brief period, Week or so, you're becoming a part of that system.
01:05:35.000And you're acquiring your food that way, which I obviously, and you obviously think, is way better than going to a fucking supermarket and hiring some supermarket hitman to do the work for you and feeling that you're guilt-free.
01:05:48.000I worked at the Abattoirs for some time.
01:06:59.000So I don't have an issue with slaughterhouses or anything like that.
01:07:01.000But I'm saying that meat goes through a way different process, I would have to say, for a better word, brutal process, where...
01:07:13.000Those animals get herded on to a truck, like a semi-trailer, driven to the slaughterhouse, put in small yards, pushed through a gate to go past all those people's hands that are cutting the meat.
01:07:26.000That's before it even gets to the point where it's going to get cut up for packaging.
01:07:30.000And then, obviously, it gets sent out to different grocery stores and then sold from there.
01:09:10.000I'm like, oh, they mustn't be big bacon eaters.
01:09:12.000And then after the fact that I've eaten my bacon, thanks Kay, she's like, yeah, we really like to cook our bacon well because of trichinosis.
01:09:44.000I mean, unless something gets to them.
01:09:47.000The way you get trichinosis by eating something with trichinosis, the horrific nature of pig farming, of domestic, the way they raise it, these factory farms, it's horrible.
01:10:42.000Leave your job tomorrow if you have to to go and do something that you enjoy in life, right?
01:10:46.000That's the end story because you're not going to get to your deathbed and be like, oh, I really wish I pushed and got that better position at work or whatever.
01:10:55.000You'll always be like, I wish I did...
01:10:58.000I wish I went and climbed friggin' Everest or whatever it is.
01:11:02.000That's what it's going to be, but we all get caught up in this trap is, no, I've got to have the newest car, the nicest house, we need to live in this suburb, I need to be the CEO at work, I need to do that sort of thing.
01:11:14.000Well, I think we're set up with this desire in our heads to attain things that we think are difficult to attain that we see.
01:11:21.000Like we see a shiny car and we see a beautiful house.
01:11:24.000We see all the different trappings of modern society.
01:11:28.000We see those things and they're very appealing to us.
01:11:30.000They seem to be like goalposts of success.
01:11:35.000And then if we can reach those things, maybe we'll reach more happiness or we'll feel better about ourselves.
01:11:40.000We'll have some status that we can brag about.
01:11:43.000And you chase that stuff until your heart stops beating.
01:12:30.000Not all of Indigenous Australia, but most of Indigenous Australia because it's so young to our culture, you know, because Australia was only discovered in...
01:12:37.000Maybe Jamie can look it up because I don't know the exact date.
01:12:44.000Indigenous Australia don't seem to have that desire.
01:12:47.000They're just happy with what they've got.
01:12:49.000And it's something to be envious of, that they're just happy with that, that they're not going to waste their life going and chasing silly things, you know.
01:13:03.000And even if you leave them behind for your family, I mean, they're only going to enjoy them until they stop living.
01:13:08.000But it's like the masterpiece is enjoying your life to the utmost and having the most success with your family, with your friends, the most relationship success, the most harmony with the people that you come in contact with.
01:13:23.000But that doesn't seem to be rewarded the same way in our world as someone who's got some baller house and a fucking helicopter picks him up and he's got golden underwear.
01:14:35.000How could being in the snow, being wet, flogging myself out for 16, 17 hours every day into the dark of night and getting back in the camp, being miserable, how could that be enjoyable?
01:14:47.000Because the second you get back to camp, you're like, oh, a fire.
01:15:35.000Some super wealthy multi-billionaire family and you've got a Ferrari when you're 16 and you fly around everywhere in private jets and you live in a giant mansion.
01:15:45.000I just don't think that you can ever appreciate the difficulty of life.
01:16:25.000We didn't do Christmases because there was no money to do Christmas.
01:16:29.000And coming from a broken family like that to now having my own family, I know how to treat them right because of how we were treated so wrong as kids and how my mother was treated.
01:16:41.000I know how to treat Kim or it's how I'm proven that That shit don't fly in my house.
01:17:10.000But, yeah, that is an interesting thing how people come from, a lot of folks that come from abusive, alcoholic families, they wind up being really considerate, really compassionate, and really dedicated to keeping on the straight and narrow.
01:17:27.000You know, I have my friend Maurice, he grew up with an alcoholic grandmother who raised him, and they used to...
01:17:33.000They used to lock him in a room and just leave him there where they would go out drinking and he couldn't get out of the room.
01:18:12.000People who grew up in that sort of abusive, substance-abusing family, they grow up and they're clean as a whistle and they don't have nothing to do with it.
01:19:39.000It was so stressful growing up as a kid that I think that's why I've tried to live my life without any stress now.
01:19:46.000And having my own business can be stressful, but I've tried to grow up without having any stress.
01:19:52.000And just to have a figure like that in your life growing up as kids, I've got two sisters as well that were obviously affected by it as well.
01:22:30.000I go, well, they're probably trying to make you feel bad, right?
01:22:33.000And so why do you think they're trying to make you feel bad?
01:22:35.000Well, a lot of it is because when kids are little, they realize that they can affect someone.
01:22:40.000And maybe they don't even understand that it's going to have a really bad feeling on you, but it's like a toy that they can play with.
01:22:46.000Like they can say something mean and you react and they realize it.
01:22:49.000And this is something that people have to get through.
01:22:52.000I go, what you should do is realize how that makes you feel and decide you're never going to do that to somebody else, especially not someone who's your friend.
01:22:59.000So we have these long conversations about feeling, about communication.
01:23:03.000And then I explain to her always that whenever I tell my kid about something, I always say, whatever you've done, I've done it worse, and I'm dumber than you.
01:23:14.000Especially my eight-year-old, who is the...
01:23:19.000The middle child, but she's very curious and very interested in progress.
01:23:25.000We talk about things like getting smarter, and one of the things I always say is I go, you're way smarter than I was when I was eight.
01:23:32.000When I was eight, I was really dumb, and I did a lot of stupid things.
01:23:34.000But also, I was a boy, and I think I was a little more reckless and impulsive and a little crazier.
01:23:38.000But I'm like, so anything you've done, like if you don't tell the truth about something, or if you blame somebody else for something that you did, I did it all.
01:24:59.000I think, I mean, again, like you were saying about how being in the woods and then coming back here, like, wow, I could just hit a switch.
01:25:04.000I think, you know, having that perspective and being out in the wild, it's one more thing that gives you this sort of greater picture of how bizarre and amazing life really is.
01:27:15.000Because the more shit you have in life, business, all those sorts of things, the less time you actually have in life to do the things that you want, right?
01:27:26.000So I got to the point and I'm like, well, I don't really want the business to be any bigger than it is now unless I get in some other managers and things like that.
01:27:34.000And it's just finding that point, okay, stop, because you're really not enjoying life anymore.
01:27:44.000I used to do all the UFC pay-per-views, and I used to do the Fox events too, and I cut it back to only North American pay-per-views, no more Fox events.
01:28:23.000There's definitely a line that you cross between not doing enough and then doing the right amount and then doing too much and knowing how to pull it back.
01:28:32.000It's hard to pull things back, though.
01:30:09.000But it's also a strange place in that what they've done in America with reintroducing wolves, what they've done in Australia, what I think is really bizarre, is feral cats and foxes to deal with some of the- That shit never works.
01:30:27.000So they brought rabbits out to feed one of the early colonies within Australia.
01:32:05.000The right thing to do is get in and cull those cats out to that sort of point.
01:32:11.000Well, that was what I was going to bring up, because when I was in Australia, you gave me some of your Australian bowhunting magazines, and there's fucking pictures of dudes posing with cats.
01:33:58.000Where it just seems like a crocodile is so stuck in the Jurassic period that anything that comes to that water is just going to get chomped.
01:39:47.000I'll stick a slot in there, just shove a predator in there, and it'll fill that opening.
01:39:52.000They didn't consider all Cane toads are great stowaways and can be easily transported in your goods and luggage.
01:40:10.000When you are packing up to leave from an area where cane toads are present, it is important to thoroughly check that you are not accidentally carrying a cane toad.
01:40:34.000Now, if they had wanted to introduce that, if they wanted to take the DNA from a Tasmanian tiger and reintroduce it, wouldn't they have to have something that was like a similar animal and reintroduce it?
01:40:52.000Well, isn't that what they said they were going to do with the woolly mammoth?
01:40:55.000Like, there was this Russian scientist that were thinking about reintroducing the woolly mammoth, and they were going to use the DNA from a woolly mammoth from some, you know, fossilized something or another, and they were going to combine it with the DNA from a regular elephant.
01:42:18.000Here, go kill something over here, please.
01:42:20.000Yeah, the city in the Northern Territory, which is all part of Arnhem Land there, is Darwin City, and the river runs right into the city, and there's crocodiles right in there.
01:43:06.000They have some sort of internal compass.
01:43:08.000One of the things about saltwater crocodiles that's so terrifying is a friend of mine was telling me that they were on some sort of a boat, and they were deep out into the ocean, miles out, and they saw a saltwater crocodile swimming out there.
01:49:10.000Well, the kangaroo thing, we were talking about that before the podcast, and we said we're going to show this video.
01:49:15.000I did not know that kangaroos were protected...
01:49:19.000Like, you can't just shoot kangaroos over there.
01:49:21.000All of our native animals, you can't hunt any of our native animals in Australia.
01:49:24.000Everything we can hunt, there's 27 or 28 species, are all introduced.
01:49:29.000They're an invasive species, like a feral pest.
01:49:32.000That's why we're allowed to hunt them.
01:49:34.000It's not like the American system where you're hunting your natives, like your whitetail and elk and everything like that.
01:49:41.000And that's why we don't have a tag season, or we don't have any seasons at all.
01:49:46.000In New South Wales, they've just introduced a season in the last couple of years, and there's one species of deer in Victoria, the lower part of Australia, where you need a tag for.
01:50:49.000It's like I was saying, the same people that are like, you can't cull the kangaroos, you know, you can't hunt the kangaroos, you can't shoot the kangaroos.
01:50:55.000Well, kangaroos are a deer species, right?
01:52:04.000So that was what what happened with Eddie.
01:52:06.000He got out of the car for some reason and he saw this kangaroo and he thought it was a statue because it was so big and He thought it wasn't real.
01:54:15.000If you can protect that, if you can figure out a way to, like, move in on them, juke them, fake them, get them to move, get a hold of one of them paws, arm drag them, I'm going to film it.
01:54:35.000There's a bunch of these videos of these kangaroos choking each other out.
01:54:39.000I've never seen them choke each other out.
01:54:41.000Oh, there's a great video, um, these two kangaroos are fighting in, like, a suburban neighborhood, and they're in a street, and one kangaroo, he gets like a, like a, what you would call, like, a vice grip clamp, like, in jiu-jitsu you would use, or wrestling, you would, like, clamp, you, like, you scoop the back of someone's neck like this with one arm,
01:54:58.000and the other arm comes down, and you clamp down like this, this is it.
01:59:13.000And we moved this thing off the road, and the kids were even normal about it.
01:59:18.000They were like, oh, yeah, cool, kidna, you know, because they've seen them 100 times.
01:59:21.000And I was like, anyone that wasn't from Australia, though, that was seeing this for the first time, this animal with a beak, when I started thinking about it, and these turned back claws, like their claws turned back like that.
02:00:50.000I wouldn't have normally even thought that you could eat it, but he killed one, and then braised it, and then slow cooked it, and it was like a pot roast with potatoes and carrots.
02:02:11.000But there's people at the turn of the century, like Rinella is amazing in his knowledge of the history of animals in America and the history of hunting in America.
02:02:20.000But apparently, many, many, many years ago, beaver trapping and beaver pelts were so valuable that the richest man in the world, in like the early 1800s, made all of his money from beaver pelts.
02:02:42.000And once they came up with felt, like for hats and stuff like that, because the gentlemen wore felt hats, they didn't need beaver as much anymore, and beaver kind of fell out of favor, and people stopped doing that.
02:02:54.000I wonder how big numbers the beaver population dropped at that time.
02:03:02.000That sort of history behind animals, you know, when they've got that value on them, and there's just an open slaughter is what seems to drive a lot of things to extinction.
02:03:52.000I think the idea of these animals being precious and preserved and wildlife, the way we think of it, they didn't have these thoughts in the 1800s.
02:04:02.000It was a resource, and they just abused it.
02:04:05.000I mean, we've all seen the photos of the stacks of buffaloes.
02:05:56.000They're not damaging the environment in that number.
02:06:00.000And I think there's a big difference there between the American and the Australian hunter in that sense that you guys would do the same thing.
02:07:10.000It's not just about going out and getting a shot off.
02:07:12.000If you are that sort of hunter, I believe you're in it for all the wrong reasons.
02:07:16.000It's about the experience, the connection with the outdoors, that meat, that precious meat that you get off each one of those animals.
02:07:26.000Also, the money that we spend on gear, the money that you spend on outfitters and trips, that money and tags in particular all goes to conservation, to preserving the habitat of these animals.
02:07:36.000And a lot of these animals, especially like white-tailed deer, there's more white-tailed deer here in America today than there were when Columbus came here.
02:07:44.000And some of the incomes all some of these small towns rely on, right?
02:08:25.000And when I bought the bow, he gave me, like, it was just a black and white magazine.
02:08:28.000Like, I was only 17. I'd run around with, like, a fiberglass pole with a string bent on it before and used to make my own arrows, like Robin Hood stuff, you know.
02:08:36.000But never had seen anything like that.
02:08:38.000And the magazine he gave me was a guy with a massive big water buffalo on the front cover.
02:08:44.000And I'm like, you can kill things with this?
02:08:48.000The majority of people that never hunt have been like, so you can kill a rabbit with one arrow, but if you're going to shoot a buffalo, it must take 20 arrows.
02:08:55.000So I was like, at the time, he must have shot it 20 times or something like that to kill it.
02:10:09.000That's why I was, I actually was a big part of a bowhunting forum in Australia for many years, and I just like, if I had that when I was coming up through bowhunting, The time, energy and money that I would have saved by just getting the right information straight off the internet,
02:10:25.000like being able to do research or even going to a club and there's 20 other guys at the club that you could at least get information out of.
02:10:58.000So, I just had this cheap bow, cheap arrows, probably didn't even wear camouflage at the time, and just went out into the outdoors and just worked it out myself.
02:13:47.000So I'll go out with my—I've got the Hoyt Defiant there, and I'll sight that bow in, and, you know, I'll just shoot once a week or whatever— You know, if I can shoot daily, I will.
02:13:58.000But with traditional gear, you had to shoot daily.
02:14:43.000But like I said, hunting, I used to kill just as much back then as I do with today's technology, but I've got to spend less time with today's technology.
02:14:51.000Well, you're also in Australia, which is very different, because what you're saying is you can hunt all year round, you can shoot things every day, you can shoot as many animals as you want.
02:15:28.000I like shooting the deer while they're fat, so before they go into the rut, because they go into the rut fat and they come out looking like a greyhound, you know?
02:15:48.000I'll fill the freezer with that, and then I've just got a list of just family.
02:15:52.000Like, put friends aside, I've just got a list of family that will take the meat off me, which is really good, because especially with the deer, a lot of the deer meat gets all used.
02:16:01.000Some of our big mountain bores and things like that...
02:16:05.000I'm not a big fan of eating them big rank boars.
02:17:02.000The rut is a crazy thing, man, and most people aren't aware, but deer and elk and, I guess, stags and a lot of those other animals, they only have sex once a year.
02:18:32.000What kind of evolutionary advantage is there to pissing in your own mouth and spraying it up in the air?
02:18:37.000You reckon we've ever done that and then they're just like, you know, we're not going to write this bit in anymore because it's just drastic.
02:20:58.000They're just like, oh, I've got a big red stag, you know, blah, blah, blah.
02:21:00.000And so many hunters that aren't educated in that sense, and I'm not having to stab at them from not being educated, they shouldn't have to be in that sense, are looking at that going, oh, that's what you can expect when you go to New Zealand or Australia.
02:22:37.000Yeah, well, animals that are living in the wild, literally no interaction with people other than when the hunter...
02:22:43.000Especially what you're dealing with, because you're dealing with very few hunters and, like, expansive areas where very few people even go into.
02:23:02.000There's another big issue in America where they have these feeders and these people, they put a blind outside of a feeder and then the feeder goes off at a certain time and these people sit in the blind and wait for the feeder to go off because the deer are programmed to come towards the feeder when it's going off and you just whack them.
02:23:18.000Yeah, I'm not interested in that myself, but I don't frown upon it.
02:24:09.000I even get the arguments for some high fence.
02:24:12.000Like, a friend of mine went to this high fence operation in Texas, and I was like, man, that seems kind of crazy that these animals are all pendent.
02:25:37.000All that means is high-fence operation.
02:25:40.000In South Africa, and I understand parts of South Africa because it has bred animals that are on the brink of extinction, and then it's good for them because they're there now.
02:25:50.000But it's just not for me, that closed-range hunting.
02:25:54.000I absolutely hated it because I just want an animal that's there naturally, Or has not been genetically bred or brought in or anything like that.
02:26:05.000And before I got there these guys were like, what size buffalo do you want to shoot?
02:26:10.000And I'm like, well, we'll just see what's big for the area.
02:27:39.000I should have done more research on that outfitter.
02:27:42.000But I won that hunt for a charity auction.
02:27:45.000It wasn't the sort of thing that I was, like, you know, researching for weeks and weeks trying to find a good outfitter to go to and shoot a Cape Buffalo.
02:27:54.000That was a bit unfortunate in that sense.
02:27:55.000There's an amazing documentary on it from Louis Theroux, who's a wildlife or rather a documentarian from the UK. Great guy.
02:28:05.000Who's been on the podcast a couple times and talked about it the first time.
02:28:08.000But it's all about these African high fence hunting trips.
02:28:13.000And he was over there for a long time and got the guy to kind of explain exactly what's going on over there.
02:28:19.000But it was just really bizarre to see people, you know, They had these lions, and they had them, like, right there.
02:28:27.000I mean, there was two sets of fences, one fence and a fence right behind it, and they took a dead calf, and they throw it over the fence, and they watched the lions tear it apart.
02:28:35.000But you look at the lions, you look at the people, you can go hunt those lions.
02:28:39.000They just let one loose, they take it out, and it's all high fence.
02:28:42.000But they were explaining that these animals were on the verge of extinction just a few decades ago.
02:28:47.000And because of these high fence operations, now they're thriving.
02:28:50.000But they're thriving in these bizarre conditions where they're fenced in and people hunt them.
02:28:55.000Can't they just put them out in the wild and let them thrive out there in a closed-off area?
02:28:59.000You know, and then there's the poaching thing.
02:29:01.000Poaching is a weird word for it because a lot of those people are just hunting for food.
02:29:34.000So there's a funny line there where there's a couple of different types of poaching, you know, and it's that one that's commercial and they're just slaughtering everything, elephants, lions, whatever.
02:30:57.000And, you know, what's really crazy is for a lot of people, that's their dream, to go to Africa and hunt the big seven, you know, or the big five.
02:31:05.000There's this movement of people acquiring all these trophies and going to Africa and shooting all these different animals, and that's the way they do it.
02:31:13.000They go to these outfitters that can guarantee they can get in front of these animals.
02:32:05.000But Australia's industry is built on having excellent access to excellent numbers of game.
02:32:12.000So if you book a hunt in Australia, it's not like someone's gone, you know, there's a big industry here, so let's just make up a business, Australian hunting safaris, and let's just get people in.
02:32:24.000We don't have game, but they're going to come anyway because we're known for hunting.
02:32:29.000You book a hunt in Australia, I guarantee you, it's going to be out of place, as long as you do a little bit of research.
02:32:33.000But practically everywhere has big game numbers, and that's why they've started the business on a hunting outfit, because they've got so much game, and they're like, oh, this could work out really good for hunters.
02:32:50.000A lot of those places have really got nothing.
02:32:54.000You know, it's arid lands, and you fed all this bullshit that the hunting's gonna be unreal, and it's not at all, which is what I experienced.
02:33:02.000Now, how many people, though, are willing to do something like what you did in Montana, or what you and Cam did in Australia, which is probably even crazier, because you didn't even bring anything with you?
02:33:11.000Why do you have to keep bringing that up?
02:33:13.000Because you guys survived off the land.
02:33:16.000I mean, how many days were you out there for?
02:33:17.000I just want to fix something up about that.
02:34:17.000And we did, you know, but the buffalo that we killed was so tough.
02:34:21.000I think it might have been Cairns' first bull that he killed.
02:34:24.000It was so tough that you just chewed the meat, you got the liquid out of it, and then you had to take the meat out of your mouth because you couldn't break it down.
02:36:20.000So how the fuck do they chew through that thing?
02:36:22.000If they're out of community, which is like an outstation, they're on the land, you know, they're out on the land.
02:36:32.000Most indigenous cook, just by putting the meat straight in the fire, you know, still very traditional way, they'd just put the meat in the ashes.
02:37:20.000So there's like some spice company that's going to go through Indigenous Australia now, giving them more spices so that they get used to it.
02:37:43.000So it won't be scaled and the scales act as like the protective barrier between the ashes and everything getting to the good meat and cooking the fish better.
02:37:52.000It seals in all the flavour and taste and the juices.
02:37:55.000Once the fish is cooked, then you just sort of wipe the scales off and it's beautiful, clean flesh right there.
02:39:49.000It was nice because you'd get a wind each night, but it was horrible because you were near a lot of water and a river mouth, and the mosquitoes were...
02:39:58.000As soon as it started getting dark, mosquitoes would be in plague precautions.
02:40:19.000So I had a hammock, and I'd sleep in a hammock, and I had a net over me, but my back would just get smashed by mosquitoes because my back's just laying against the net, no mattress or anything.
02:40:30.000I'd wake up in the morning just agonizing, wanting to scratch, and Cam was the same, you know.
02:41:13.000Flies will be breeding in the corner of my eye and I'll just hold a conversation and people will be like, dude, I can't talk to you anymore.
02:42:12.000It's hard to tell if a croc's moved in there over the season or anything like that, but we walk the edge and you're just that desperate to get wet.
02:42:20.000Cam was even to the point where he's like, can we just die?
02:42:51.000But to lay in there and just chill out in the mud, and every now and then you'd, because it's all muddy bottom, every now and then you'd sort of push the mud out and it would release some cooler waters that sort of hadn't been cooked by the sun.
02:43:16.000And then two seconds later, you're like, oh, this is as uncomfortable as shit, you know?
02:43:20.000Well, the fact that people lived that way and struggled through those kind of environments and those kind of temperatures for untold years before they ever figured out ice.
02:43:55.000Cut the guts open and crawl in and get warm.
02:43:56.000Yeah, I mean, I've seen those things, and you just go, okay, so people live up there, and they hunt those things, and then they live down where you are, and they hope for cool mud.
02:44:09.000Those buffalo that we hunt, it'll be like you'll think, ah, there's not going to be anything out anywhere today.
02:46:39.000So the big issue with the cattle industry, especially in these northern parts of Australia, is these scrub bulls, these feral cattle, don't have any respect for fences.
02:46:51.000They'll just walk straight through a fence into a farmer's Yeah.
02:49:46.000And there's Carl there with the Yeti hat on.
02:49:53.000I shot one last year or the year before with Carl and it comes straight at us and Carl's carrying a big gun like I shot it with a bow and Carl lifted up the gun and he shot this bangtang as it was charging and it literally dropped nine feet from Carl.
02:50:08.000Like it just looked straight at him and just hammered straight at him.
02:50:11.000I got a second shot off as it was running and actually broke its leg which made it stumble.
02:50:17.000And then it just comes straight back up and kept coming to Carl and he pulled the gun up and he shot it straight between the eyes.
02:54:28.000Yeah, then it's got a decent insert behind it, like 92 grain insert, and then a nice heavy shaft, and then let's just talk about the 80 pound bow.
02:54:38.000With that 80 pounds, I can find a rib on the way in on the buffalo, and I can find a rib on the way out, and that arrow's still just going to bust straight through there.
02:55:17.000So how do you calculate your sight tapes if you don't...
02:55:21.000Well, I've got the Trophy Taker or Option Archery sight now and it's the Option 5 or Option 6 sight.
02:55:28.000It's got an adjustable pin or you've got all your fixed pins that you flip in place.
02:55:33.000Now with that one, I just shoot my 20 and...
02:55:36.000I actually shoot all my pins in, out the 50, and then I match it up with the sight tape, and then I stick that on the bow at the 20-meter mark.
02:55:44.000So then when I pull the multiple pin out of the way, I've just got the single pin that winds up and down to their marks.
02:55:49.000Obviously, I shoot it and check it, which I have, and it's spot on.
02:56:02.000So I'll shoot in, you know, 0 to 20, the first pin.
02:56:07.000And then I'll walk back to 30 and I'll shoot and I'll just keep shooting and adjusting that, you know, in tiny little increments if I have to.
02:56:14.000Do you have a range at your house that you do all this stuff?
02:56:26.000We're almost done here, but let me tell you people about your photography, too, because you take some incredible photography when you're out.
02:56:33.000And you have this book that you made of your photography that I got a chance to look at.
02:56:38.000Yeah, did I have to bring that along, did I? That's cool.
02:56:44.000Yeah, you brought it to BearCamp, but also you sent me to your website too, and I got a chance to look at some of the photos that you have up.
02:56:52.000That's the other thing that I carry in my pack, and people freak because it's the Canon 5D, the Mark III. It's an external flash, spare batteries.
02:59:53.000Hey, if you can, Jamie, if you go back a little bit, you'll see some dead buffalo pictures.
02:59:59.000Around that time, I was taking some star shots when I was in Arnhem Land.
03:00:04.000There's no light pollution anywhere up there.
03:00:09.000The stars with the naked eye, the aperture and everything can come back so much further on those nights because even with the human eye, it's just crazy.
03:00:59.000So yeah, if any of your listeners are into the outdoors and not necessarily killing, because obviously Adam Greentree Bowen has got a lot of harvest kills on it.
03:01:09.000If you're just into photography, just go to First Man Image.
03:01:51.000Goddamn, you take some pretty pictures, dude.
03:01:54.000That's amazing that you're self-taught.
03:01:55.000I've been thinking about it lately that I need to get into photography, at least somewhat, to just take pictures other than with my iPhone.
03:02:04.000When you do so much, it's the best way to capture a memory because I can look back on the photos now and go, that's right, how cool is that, or whatever.
03:02:12.000Sometimes I do so much and I get carried away with doing so much hunting that it's like if I didn't take a photo, I'd actually forget that moment because there's so much happening.
03:02:20.000And I just love showing it to my kids and friends and people that are interested.
03:02:24.000It's a really good promotion for the sport.
03:03:58.000Here's the benefits in it and going and doing it because it drives me nuts just thinking that someone should have that connection.
03:04:04.000They just don't know it yet because a lot of the guys, especially the older guys that I've introduced to bowhunting, Have always been like, man, I would have never known about this before.
03:04:35.000Yeah, there's so much concentration going on that it cleanses your mind.
03:04:39.000And if I can shoot bows for an hour every day, man, it just alleviates stress in some sort of a strange, like, you know, for lack of a better word, zen way.
03:04:51.000That might be the best word for it, actually.
03:04:52.000What you were talking about earlier, like going out to the wilderness, no technology or anything like that, what it does to the mind is it frees the mind.
03:05:08.000Yeah, and even people that aren't into hunting, I totally understand that.
03:05:11.000And like I said, I've been really paying attention a lot to people that do these long-term hikes and also overlanding, people that just go on these crazy adventures.
03:05:22.000Like, they get off the beaten path and they develop these vehicles that are capable of driving over adverse conditions, and they just...
03:05:31.000Out there in the desert or out there in the mountains.
03:05:33.000It's fascinating to me because there's a longing, I think, that people have to get away from the concrete, to get away from the electricity, and to just feel the stillness of the actual world.
03:05:52.000Uncompressed by civilization and buildings and language.
03:05:57.000When you're out there, man, I've never done what you've done, but when you're out there for 11 days, you don't even talk to anybody for 11 days?
03:06:05.000So this trip I did, because I had internet service at the top, or reception, and I kept doing this Insta stories, you know?
03:06:36.000I can't even help you from a bear, huh?
03:06:39.000So that sucked, but I've had trips where you don't talk to people for days and days on end, and just the fact of coming back into civilization and opening your mouth feels weird.
03:07:39.000There's management within it, but you just don't see it.
03:07:43.000Listen, dude, there's a very small handful of people, even in the hunting world, that are doing what you're doing, that are taking those kind of crazy adventures and just diving into it.